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0:00[Music]
0:05is it just me or his internet culture
0:06the trolling the outrage and the endless
0:08hate starting to eat itself this
0:10election obviously brought out the worst
0:12in almost everybody from real people to
0:15Twitter eggs and Anime avatars people
0:17are constantly attacking others online
0:20and saying things that they would never
0:21dare say to someone's face in real life
0:24the really scary part of this though is
0:26in the words you guys know I love Free
0:28Speech but there seems to be no bottom
0:30to this hole of anger just think about
0:32your Facebook and Twitter feeds for a
0:34moment are they enlightening interesting
0:36and bringing joy and goodness to your
0:38life or are they an endless Cascade of
0:40Rants and RAV psychotic ramblings
0:42endless fighting and non-stop virtue
0:44signaling I'm going to go out on a limb
0:46here and guess that for most of you the
0:48answer is the latter not the former and
0:50yes there are also a lot of baby
0:52pictures on Facebook which can be quite
0:54annoying what I think is most
0:56interesting about our constant state of
0:58bickering isn't the obvious fact that
1:00the internet can bring out the worst in
1:01all of us but that it seems to me that
1:04this Behavior and the reaction to it is
1:06now bleeding out into the real world I'm
1:08slammed with emails every day in which
1:10people explain to me how they're
1:12suffering real world consequences for
1:14what they post or even what they don't
1:16post online people are getting fired
1:18over tweets losing friends over Facebook
1:21posts and God only knows what's
1:23happening on Snapchat but perhaps worse
1:25than all of this is the chilling effect
1:28that this state of outrage has on the
1:30rest of us this is why I've said it
1:32before and I'll say it again the biggest
1:33threat to free speech is that we are
1:36actively silencing ourselves not that
1:39the government is silencing us the
1:41threat to free speech isn't just that
1:43protesters are violent at a Milo event
1:46it's the trickle down effect that that
1:48has now they're violent at events for
1:51people like conservatives and
1:52Libertarians such as Ben Shapiro and
1:54Charles Murray but of course it won't
1:55stop there either eventually they'll
1:57come for liberals too while at the same
2:00time plenty of other people who just
2:02won't want to deal with the threats
2:04simply won't accept invitations to speak
2:07in the first place the outrage machine
2:09will just dull us all down to the point
2:11where we won't share any original
2:13thought because we just won't want to
2:14deal with the repercussions this is
2:16exactly what's happening with Trump
2:18right now the mainstream media and the
2:19Twitter Brigade Go Bananas every time
2:22anything happens the result is that
2:25people won't be able to gauge the proper
2:28outrage if he does do something that
2:30truly warrants it yes he eats his steak
2:33with ketchup while it is well done that
2:35sounds horrible to me but you've got to
2:37deal with it remember the boy who cried
2:40wolf well now we've got the media who
2:42cried Trump you think I'm being alarmist
2:44here well do we seem more politically
2:47correct or less politically correct than
2:495 years ago what about 10 years ago do
2:52you find yourself censoring yourself
2:54more or less now than you did even last
2:58year who is forced ing you to censor
3:00yourself is it the government I don't
3:02think so I bet you need only look in the
3:04mirror and guess what this creep of
3:07stifling speech for fear of being
3:09ostracized isn't going to magically
3:11reverse itself we have to proactively
3:14fight it and we should have started this
3:16a long time ago take a minute and think
3:18about our current television programming
3:20could All in the Family arguably the
3:22best sitcom in television history with a
3:25bigoted yet lovable Archie Bunker
3:28possibly be on network tele Vision today
3:31the beauty of Archie was that we all
3:33know someone like him whether that
3:35person is white brown or blue only
3:37through seeing these people poking fun
3:40at them and showing the shortsightedness
3:42of bigotry can we change our society to
3:44be more thoughtful and decent for
3:46everybody even when I watch Seinfeld
3:49with all of its quirky racially based
3:51characters jokes about gays women and
3:52everyone else I think that the
3:54authoritarians will come for the show
3:56about nothing which was really a show
3:58about everything one day as well well it
4:00won't be the government kicking Jerry
4:02and the crew off the air it'll be the
4:04next generation of social justice
4:06Warriors upset about the episode where
4:08George wanted a black friend or where
4:11Kramer wouldn't wear the AIDS Ribbon or
4:13the ones with characters like Ping the
4:15Chinese delivery guy or Baboo the
4:17Pakistani restaurant tour beyond the
4:19outrage machine there is another
4:21nefarious layer here which is a whole
4:23group of people who get off on the
4:26outrage itself this is the group of
4:28people who react to anything and
4:30everything so to get clicks and
4:32ultimately money from our constant state
4:34of outrage so when Pewdiepie makes a
4:37stupid joke about Jews as he did a
4:39couple weeks ago the bigger reaction is
4:41from those who want to capitalize on the
4:43moment rather than those who are
4:45actually outraged by the joke itself
4:48then the mainstream media gets involved
4:50with the Wall Street Journal writing
4:51about the incident which subsequently
4:53LED Maker Studios to end their contract
4:56with Pewdiepie this destructive force
4:58will take any one down who has moved up
5:01too far the YouTubers attacking
5:03PewDiePie wish they had his 55 million
5:06subscribers and the Wall Street Journal
5:08sees how his influence believe it or not
5:10is now dwarfing their
5:12own as online culture gets woven into
5:15every facet of Our Lives it's vital we
5:17all pick up and choose our spots when to
5:20fight and when to be outraged if we're
5:22outraged at everything then we're
5:24outraged at nothing if we spend all day
5:27online trying to find enemies well then
5:29guess what enemies will present
5:31themselves making some intellectual
5:33point over an opponent has value but we
5:36have to be careful that the value isn't
5:38because of the retweets and the
5:40favorites it Garners I'm sure I could be
5:42better at some of this myself by the way
5:44especially on Twitter trolls are always
5:46going to troll but those of us who want
5:48to change things for the better have to
5:50actually be better ourselves final
5:53thought I was a guest on the Alex Jones
5:55live show last week as some of you may
5:56have seen I'm not even fully familiar
5:58with Alex beyond the little bites I see
6:00of him screaming and generally going
6:02nuts that said the guy has a huge
6:04audience and is clearly influential as
6:06mainstream media crumbles and online
6:08media Rises as I've said before this
6:11comes with both positives and negatives
6:13but regardless the fact is the guy is
6:15talking to a huge amount of people
6:17immediately when I got the request to be
6:19on the show I thought that I shouldn't
6:21do it because of the ton of hate that I
6:22was about to get then I realized that if
6:24I didn't do the show I would only be
6:26holding myself Hostage to the very same
6:29ideas which are silencing so many other
6:31people right now so I did the show with
6:33no preparation or Advanced questioning
6:35and Alex let me say what I wanted to say
6:38well I got the usual hate from the usual
6:40haters just for appearing on the show I
6:42also know that I got some of the ideas
6:44that I care about to be heard by his
6:46large audience now maybe some of them
6:49will come here and learn more about the
6:50issues that you and I care about if
6:52you're one of those new viewers welcome
6:54I don't yell as much but I think you'll
6:56dig it around here but for the record I
6:58do not believe that a secret group of
7:01lizzard people are leading a shadow
7:02government which is trying to undermine
7:04our freedoms obviously it's actually a
7:07group of frog men led by Pepe and
7:09they're actually a bunch of Freedom
7:10Fighters good luck to us
7:12[Music]
7:16all joining me today is the author of
7:18several books and the founder and
7:20current president of the David harowitz
7:22Freedom Center David harwitz welcome to
7:25the Ruben report thank you Dave what are
7:26the chances that you ended up being the
7:29president of place called The David
7:30harwoods Freedom Center that is that is
7:31incredible I I actually fought that name
7:33but but my board said uh I had I had
7:37named it the center for the study of
7:39popular
7:40culture as a as a leftist I thought it's
7:43a very hard to
7:44attack a center for studying anything
7:48let alone just but conservatives see the
7:51word culture and they think left so that
7:53and it was just confusing so they made
7:56me I said you got to put your name on it
7:58so so here we are all right so I don't
8:01know in the years that I've been doing
8:03this show that I've read anyone's bio
8:05and found it more interesting than your
8:07bio it was at least not someone that was
8:09born in the United States I thought it
8:11was just there's so much richness there
8:13your Evolution politically it has a lot
8:15to do with some of the things that you
8:16write about about going from the left to
8:18the right and all that um so I want to
8:20start with your history first your
8:22parents were communist card carrying
8:25card carrying not Communists like the
8:27Communist that kids that think it's cool
8:30today talking old school these are these
8:32are people who are part of a a vast
8:35International
8:36conspiracy orchestrated by Moscow um my
8:40parents my my I don't think my mother
8:43ever got a traffic ticket they they were
8:45very middle class not break the
8:47law um but they did hide an East German
8:52communist in the basement who the
8:54government wanted to
8:55deport how did he get to your basement I
8:58have no idea I was very very
9:00young did you know there was someone
9:02down there I mean did you know something
9:04was going on deer was his name I forgot
9:06the last name his brother was the mayor
9:08of East
9:09Berlin okay um but um yeah they were
9:15very
9:16conspiratorial um they never refer to
9:20themselves as Communists only as
9:22progressives even then because it wasn't
9:25a dirty oh it was very dirty it was a
9:28dirty word popular healthy period but um
9:31because this anti-American left very
9:35subversive ready to work with the our
9:38enemies so you know a horrible
9:41totalitarian dictatorship were
9:45effectively
9:46quarantined we lived in a kind of ghetto
9:49where you couldn't say what you what you
9:51believed and that for a Democrat or with
9:55a small D for a liberal minded person
9:58that doesn't seem right but it was
9:59actually
10:00healthy given the Cold War at the time
10:05so so so what did it mean at you need to
10:08have a stigma on people who hate this
10:10country and we we've lost that
10:12completely so so we'll get to that part
10:15CU that really sort of that gets to the
10:17evolution part of where you're at now so
10:19we were stigmatized and uh but what did
10:21they believe like what did that actually
10:22mean if you said you were a communist in
10:25you know we're talking the 1940s now I
10:28nothing my my mother was a registered
10:30Democrat um I don't think anything
10:33different from certainly not the
10:34Democratic party of today although then
10:37I mean when Roosevelt was President they
10:39were all happy Democrats when
10:42Truman um declared that uh America would
10:46defend free peoples fighting for their
10:49freedom against the Soviet Union they
10:51all defected that formed the Progressive
10:53Party which was run by the Communist
10:55Party yeah and then around 1956 if I'm
10:58not mist and all the information comes
11:01out about Stalin and then that sort of
11:03right that was my way I was 17 at the
11:06time and that was my kind of Awakening
11:09that everything that the William Buckley
11:12who we hated the right that the right
11:14said the Right Said Stalin had killed 7
11:17million people he actually killed about
11:1940 million um and we said was this was
11:22all anti-soviet lies the Soviet Union
11:25was a a paradise of the future everybody
11:29equal everybody working everybody happy
11:32all lies but we my community believed
11:36them and then kushev came along with
11:39this gave a secret speech that the
11:41Israeli mosad smuggled
11:43out and it just it blew up my community
11:47that there were divorces in our that we
11:51knew of uh over people dividing over the
11:53cruise Trevy Port people felt betrayed
11:56they had lived a lie and other people
11:59felt you know you continue you go on and
12:02they defended it yeah and that that made
12:05marriages untenable
12:08yeah right you think it's tough now for
12:10marriages when people are going I love
12:12Trump I hate Trump but but that's that's
12:14that's Earth shaking stuff your whole
12:16narrative yes so I came into the when I
12:20went to college I mean
12:22my mission self
12:27self-developed um was to rescue the left
12:31from
12:33stalinism um I still believed in this
12:36future where every you know Common uh
12:40government ownership of the means of
12:41production and equality and everything
12:45um and so I I was a fervent new leftist
12:49I was one of the actually one of the
12:51creators of the new left I was at
12:54Berkeley um we published a magazine
12:57called wuen branch and uh
12:59but by the end of that decade it was
13:01clear the left was a totalitarian force
13:04it couldn't it it was
13:07supporting you know whatever was the ma
13:10maoists they were maist ma killed more
13:13people in Stalin um and uh so you saw
13:18that change from what you thought was
13:20something decent you saw that basically
13:22anything related to authoritarianism
13:24would be sort of pieced into this my my
13:27most I had two serious ious deviations I
13:30had a nuclear family and everybody else
13:33was living in communes or whatever
13:37um but the more serious one was that I
13:39read books so
13:42I I I remember when Billy A's uh was
13:45elected vice president when the weather
13:47people took over SDS this is a a a
13:51college senior he boasted that he hadn't
13:54read a book in a year I was horrified as
13:56a leftist by that statement
13:59um but what was so his argument was what
14:01I'm not being programmed by these people
14:03no but they no was an irresponsible twit
14:07I mean it's you know came from wealth
14:10very you know privileged uh I have I
14:13have nothing good to say about Billy a
14:15but by saying I I haven't read a book in
14:17year who is he how is he trying to
14:18impress Somebody by that he trying to
14:19imp well because the books are written
14:22by the ruling class or what what did
14:25Mark say the ruling ideas are the uh
14:28ideas of ruling class completely false
14:31how would you explain our universities
14:33today Marx is full of crap I mean that's
14:35the first thing you have to yeah well
14:37we'll get to our universities don't
14:38worry about that but wait a minute the
14:39first one you mentioned there was you
14:40came from a nuclear family and that was
14:42then a problem I had a nuclear family
14:44yeah oh you had your own nuclear family
14:46at that time okay but you also came from
14:48a nuclear by the end of the decade I had
14:50four children yeah yeah so why was that
14:52a problem for them because they want uh
14:54they didn't I wasn't expelled from the
14:56left I I I was
14:59um well what happened to me was that I I
15:04I edited ramp Parts which was the
15:07leading it was the biggest magazine of
15:08the left and a Hollywood
15:12producer producer of easy
15:14Ryder um was a
15:16big uh funer and sponsor of the Black
15:20Panther Party and he he introduced me to
15:23huie Newton because he wanted me to take
15:26Eldridge Cleaver had been on our Mast
15:28head uh and Eldridge there was a war it
15:31was basically a black panther party is a
15:35a street gang and uh this was a contest
15:39for leadership um so he
15:44um he introduced me and I I got involved
15:48raising money for the Panthers I raised
15:50for a
15:51school um I was very impressed they had
15:54a lot of children and the panther party
15:56was a mix there were you know genuinely
15:59good people and there were
16:01gangsters um and the good people
16:04impressed me and uh one of them was
16:06running the
16:07school a school and they were jammed
16:12into a uh Brown Shingle House in uh in
16:17Oakland I mean they they had
16:19double-decker beds from one wall to the
16:21other wow for the kids so
16:23I um I thought this Hollywood producer
16:27would give me the money but it it didn't
16:29turn out that way but I
16:31raised I think it was
16:33$125,000 which a lot of money in those
16:35days and bought a
16:37church a Baptist Church in East Oakland
16:40that had been overtaken by the uh inner
16:43city was a white Baptist Church and I
16:47and I I signed up the check um I created
16:50the Oakland Community Learning Center of
16:53501c3 to house the school I'll never
16:56forget the uh the minister said to me as
16:59I handed him the check I hope you're not
17:01going to turn this over to the Black
17:04Panthers or the Nation of
17:07Islam did he know who that you were
17:09working with them at all at the time
17:11with the Black Panthers he had no idea
17:12so he was literally joking to you like
17:15most of the left today I had no idea who
17:17they were the Panthers MH um but anyway
17:22I've told this story in a radical son my
17:24autobiography anyway in in uh 1974 I
17:29recruited the bookkeeper my bookkeeper
17:32at ramparts to do the books for the
17:33school because I believed our own
17:36propaganda that the government was
17:38racist and that they would shut down the
17:40Panthers if they didn't keep the books
17:44which was ridiculous I mean look at
17:46Jesse Jackson look at Al Sharpton I mean
17:48he's a huge tax Vader yeah and he's
17:53walking the streets because he's
17:54Progressive in Black he's
17:56protected um and in December 1974 uh
18:01Betty disappeared and by the time the
18:03police fished her body out of San
18:05Francisco Bay I knew the Panthers had
18:07killed her I had been interviewed by the
18:09police they explained to me lots of
18:11things very difficult to hire to dispose
18:14of a body unless you have an
18:17organization and then it's not so hard
18:19you have safe houses and this and that
18:22um and so when that happened um I was
18:26personally devastated I mean I was in
18:29the same place my parents were being
18:31embarrassed by the cruise d report
18:34something I swore that would never
18:36happen to me
18:38um and I I I'm curious were your parents
18:40around at the time yeah my mother was
18:42very they were worried for my safety as
18:45they should be I was threatened by
18:46Elaine Brown who was the head of the
18:48Panthers and is alive today um toasted
18:53by the Atlanta Journal Constitution and
18:56uh funded by actually conservatives uh
19:00often not always to speak on college
19:04campuses um she was the head of the
19:06party uh wait why would conservatives
19:09fund her now has she evolved I forget
19:11that what's the name of this a big
19:12Orange County Foundation they gave her
19:14$10,000 to speak at uh I can't remember
19:18it was UC Santa Barbara h i with the
19:21students there informed me now because
19:25uh uh conservatives in this country are
19:28are are well-meaning
19:29uh liberal-minded people generally
19:33especially the ones with money um give
19:36you the benefit of the doubt I mean
19:38here's a black person claiming that
19:40America is an oppressive country oh sure
19:42here has some
19:46money
19:47anyway
19:49uh I was personally devastated I was
19:53clinically I would say clinically
19:54depressed for seven or eight years I me
19:57I wake up in tears every morning I felt
20:00responsible for having recruited Betty
20:03uh her name was Betty Vamp patter the
20:05woman who was murdered she was a mother
20:07of three
20:08children
20:10um the ideology is so pernicious that on
20:14the way to the to Betty's funeral her
20:17daughter who worked for me and was I
20:19don't know if she was 19 or 20 at the
20:21time I tried to warn her I mean I was
20:23afraid for my children but I said I
20:26think the Panthers killed your mother
20:29and her response was no they're good
20:32people so so I set out then to
20:37warn when I had sort of assimilated all
20:42this uh I I'm my mission was to warn
20:46other
20:46people and that's how I know that Barack
20:49Obama is a communist all right so wait
20:52let's let's pause before we jump to to
20:54modern day because everything that you
20:56just described there was why I thought
20:57your bio was so interesting cuz you grow
20:59up with Communists you know I didn't
21:01know about the guy I I didn't know about
21:03the guy in the basement but you I mean
21:04you you are firmly on the left your
21:06whole first 40 some ideas I was a Marx I
21:09wrote a book called Empire and
21:11Revolution which the left used right so
21:13leftist communist Marxist I mean so yeah
21:17Paul Berman for
21:18example
21:20um said of the of my book that it was
21:24like a I don't know what he said a
21:25handbook a Bible of for the for the left
21:29before he called me a
21:31renegade for leaving the left right
21:34right so that's so you're you're a hero
21:37but the second you now change now of
21:39course if you deviate from the Party
21:41Line This is what political people don't
21:44realize political correctness is a term
21:46that mousy dong the greatest mass
21:48murderer in human history invented to
21:50shut people up it's the party line if
21:53you deviate from the party line they
21:55throw you into the cold yeah all right
21:58so now
21:59let's Flash Forward unless there's
22:00something major or shoot you right so
22:03they first they silence you then they
22:05shoot you and you know uh so unless I'm
22:07missing something I think we can Flash
22:09Forward now to around 85 which is really
22:11when you then right um what happened was
22:15when this happened I was writing I I had
22:19um left ramp Parts with Peter ker who
22:23was my
22:25buddy uh and it was Peter's idea that to
22:29write a a a dynastic
22:33biography uh the The galsworthy Saga was
22:36on PBS at the time or so it was a
22:40generational Saga so I was in the midst
22:43of writing a book on the Rockefellers
22:45which became a bestseller and then we
22:48were asked to do a book on the
22:50Kennedy which came out
22:52in
22:551985 and uh in 198 and and uh
22:59at when it came out it was a number one
23:01New York Times
23:03bestseller and uh the Washington Post
23:06the editor of the Washington Post Sunday
23:08magazine called
23:09me to pick my brain about young Joe
23:13Kennedy it was a congressman and he said
23:16what have you guys been doing I oh you
23:18won't believe this but Peter and I just
23:20voted for Ronald Reagan and neither
23:22Peter and I had talked before casting
23:25that boat wow oh that's a good story you
23:28want to WR it so our story was better
23:30Ron than red but he renamed it lefties
23:33for Reagan right so then and that's when
23:35the knives came out and Peter said to me
23:37at the time I just show you how deep
23:41the current rot the fake news
23:45is um we were Front Page New York Times
23:48MH both books both the Rockefellers and
23:52Sunday times and the New York Times sets
23:54the standard for all the media they even
23:57reprint print the reviews but
24:01um and when our article came out on we
24:05voted for Reagan Peter said to me our
24:09literary careers are over wow I said you
24:12must be joking I me so you really had no
24:15idea IDE even though you knew some of
24:18the tactics OB but it was exactly right
24:20that was the end I don't my last 20
24:23books have the New York Times They
24:26noticed one and called me a relic for
24:28using the word
24:30communist it was just a squib right so
24:34even though you knew all the tactics
24:36that could be coming down your way and
24:37the way you'd be treated I've never been
24:39a realist about that that's so you so
24:41that's it you just weren't a realist in
24:42your own even though you saw you had
24:44such a history of seeing what would
24:46happen yeah not that parents than
24:47communism black p I can never believe
24:50that people um can be you know so
24:53ideological and so duped and I should
24:55know yeah I think I'm suffering from a
24:56little of this right now when I'm the
24:58rubbers meeting the road with me at the
24:59moment of of this kind but what was it
25:02about was it something about rean or was
25:04it really about Mand Reagan yeah it was
25:08uh this happened earlier um I bumped
25:11into into the parking lot of the
25:13Berkeley Co-op uh which is a supermarket
25:17that was we everybody liked because it
25:19was a
25:20Cooperative um when uh Rolling Stone
25:24actually published a story that Peter
25:26and I did on the weather the Weather
25:27Underground
25:29telling the truth about it um and
25:33uh this woman I knew met me in the
25:36parking lot she said David you know
25:37people really hate you
25:41now truth about these crazy terrorists
25:45is what they were who got people
25:48killed and they hate you now they hate
25:50you they hate me for for saying the
25:53truth about it yeah but but what was it
25:55about Reagan also that then they hat in
25:58the way they hate Trump yeah it was the
26:00same kind of
26:03hatred they pick out they just hate it's
26:06it's because he's he's not one of
26:09us it's it's very visceral yeah is that
26:13what it more than anything ironic for
26:15the media he's not one of them you know
26:16he was an act and you
26:18know I don't
26:20know the the
26:22Trump phenomenon and problem is a little
26:25different but it's it's not all that
26:27different I mean Reagan was an actor
26:30that they looked down on that
26:32um you know um vanon Mei wrote a
26:36pamphlet called the uh an essay which is
26:39a pamphlet called the anti-c capitalist
26:43mentality why do academics um hate
26:48capitalism why are they so left and the
26:52answer is because they feel Superior to
26:55businessmen and here's Trump the
26:56businessman MH uh businessmen are
27:00yahoos they have no respect for what it
27:03takes to build a billion dooll Empire
27:06for them it's all theft or something
27:09underhanded it's it's theft or it's
27:10crony capitalism or something Reagan was
27:13like that he was an actor how dare he be
27:15pres we're so much smarter than he is we
27:18should be running the country so
27:21intellectuals I think it was about
27:22intellectuals generally they don't they
27:25they feel that they're smarter than
27:26everybody else right cuz they haven't
27:28actually created for the most part so
27:30they have to sort of elevate they want
27:32the P they think the power should go to
27:34them and I learned very early when I was
27:37still a leftist when Jack Kennedy was
27:39assassinated and Lyndon Johnson became
27:42president I was living in England and of
27:43course Europeans looked at on Americans
27:46from the beginning of the Republic but
27:51um LBJ he had the LBJ cufflinks and the
27:55LBJ children and the LBJ dog dos and the
28:00you know so they they just thought he
28:03was this is a yahoo this is a you
28:07know and Johnson was much smarter than
28:10Jack
28:11Kennedy he he went to East Texas State
28:14teachers college but he imp he
28:17unfortunately he put in place the Great
28:19Society which is an albatross on
28:22America's neck has been for low these
28:26this half century but but he was smart
28:29he knew how to get it through Congress
28:32and Jack Kennedy couldn't get any of it
28:33through yeah and now Congress barely
28:35works so that's why when Trump came
28:38along I I wasn't one of these never
28:41trumping inside the Beltway snobs
28:44although some of my my good friends went
28:47down that path okay so you you have this
28:50this final Awakening you write this
28:52thing then a year later I think in ' 86
28:54you wrote why it was it why I left the
28:56left I wrote and I say look I as I say I
29:01I I I was personally threatened by
29:03Elaine Brown um and then in a I have the
29:08tape of the phone conversation which she
29:11said if you if you should get run over
29:15David really I'm I'm I'm going to be
29:18your best friend because people will say
29:20I did it something like that I mean it
29:22was a nak a threat um so I was
29:26afraid uh I fed to Kate Coleman who
29:30wrote an article for a now defunct
29:33leftwing
29:34magazine uh it's called the party over
29:37about the criminality of the Panthers
29:39which I had discovered by personal
29:42investigation
29:45um uh but uh
29:49uh I forgot well get getting to the
29:51Village Voice piece oh The Village Voice
29:54yeah so I finally in 1986 which is it's
29:58a decade later I wrote a piece why I am
30:01not no longer a
30:03leftist and uh and referred to this I
30:07did not name The Killers but I did refer
30:10to the murder and the pan that the
30:12Panthers had murdered her and
30:16um Paul Burman wrote this piece uh about
30:21the Renegade harowitz the intellectual
30:23life and the Renegade harowitz that was
30:25a vicious attack mhm and uh he had me at
30:28the end of his piece cheering on sua who
30:32was a psychopath that was a contra in
30:36Nicaragua whom I hadn't even heard of
30:38when he called me he said in Hart his
30:40cheering wakes up the next morning
30:42cheering sua so basically you you went
30:44off the reservation officially with this
30:46article and then you had said the knives
30:48were already out no it was with the
30:50Reagan article yeah with the Reagan
30:52article was the this one was this is
30:54right this is right at the left right so
30:57this was a what it was a year later
30:58right I think it was 85 and ' 86 so a
31:00year later so the knives were already
31:01out and then this was like sort of the
31:03final door on that's right and that's so
31:051986 87 that's like 30 years ago is that
31:08what it is something like that in 30
31:11years my work has never been taken the
31:15work the the ideas my arguments with the
31:18left why I'm no long I wrote a long
31:21essay on on leaving the left um and why
31:25I left it uh
31:29never uh responded to the nation made
31:33one stab at it but not a very good
31:36one on the other hand there's like
31:38100,000 attacks on me on the internet
31:41from leftist so it's not like they don't
31:43think that I need to be refuted they
31:46think it's just more effective to
31:48pretend he well if it makes you feel any
31:49better right before we sat down I was
31:50scrolling my Twitter feed and some
31:52article was written about me where they
31:53referred to me as a right-winger and
31:55then got a few other things incorrect
31:56about me and then my own audience
31:59actually started attacking them on
32:01Twitter and then they they didn't issue
32:03a retraction but they changed the
32:04headline at least and change one other
32:06thing which of course is not
32:07journalistically uh sound but I guess
32:10maybe I'm picking up some of the well at
32:13first it hurts but eventually you you
32:15get to be liel proof they they liel you
32:18so much that it just seems ridiculous
32:20more than anything else it's just lazy
32:22lazy and ridiculous well you you know
32:24I'm an easier Target than you are
32:27because I vowed when I left the left
32:29that I was going to talk to the left
32:31address them in the same way that they
32:33address everybody else though oh I talk
32:36to them nicely yeah you
32:39very very hard to demonize I'm sort of
32:42easy so when you see you you had some
32:46nice things to say about me when you sat
32:47down and when you see someone like me
32:49that's understands the title of this
32:51book that understands your journey and
32:53all that do you think I was just even
32:55though obviously we have 30 some IDE
32:57years between us that I was just late to
32:59the game and picking up what was going
33:01on here or do you think something also
33:03happened in the last couple years with
33:04the
33:05left two things first of all starting
33:09with the McGovern campaign that's when
33:11it started the Communist left
33:14infiltrated and took over the Democratic
33:17party um I mean Tom
33:20Hayden who is no longer with us uh was a
33:24cynical
33:26anti-American lying
33:29radical uh and he was given the medal of
33:31freedom by Bill Clinton um uh he was a u
33:37state legislator in the state of
33:39California you can still see his work
33:41whenever you see prop 65 that warns you
33:44about the bad effects of chemicals and
33:48your whatever oh yeah it's everywhere
33:49here in
33:51La um but the Democratic party took the
33:55left
33:56in the
33:58the anti the anti-American
34:02totalitarian and I would say racist left
34:04I will explain that more later but
34:06racist left was taken into the bosom of
34:09the democratic party in the Clinton
34:12Administration and with Obama they got
34:14one of theirs in the White House okay so
34:17let so let's pause there for a second so
34:19when I hear you say that about the
34:20Clinton Administration that's hard for
34:21me to picture because those eight years
34:24were
34:25basically I don't think we saw a lot lot
34:27of what we're seeing right now so what
34:29what am I missing well you missed the
34:31you didn't know the personalities uh
34:33from one um I've written a uh let's put
34:38it this way I think back to the Clinton
34:39Administration very fondly still that
34:41things were basically they were terrible
34:43that they were basically first of all
34:45let's let's Bill
34:47Clinton's was is not an ideologue in the
34:49way that Hillary Clinton is Bill
34:51Clinton's idology was
34:53Mah it was his
34:55ideology and but that you would argue
34:57that's probably a Saving Grace then in
34:59this corruption is far better than
35:01communism
35:03yeah if it weren't for the corruption of
35:06the clintons Bernie Sanders would have
35:07been a
35:09nominee um that's a great quote there
35:12did you just quote corruption is far
35:13better than communism that's a good one
35:15it is it is because you you can deal
35:17with it doesn't have the ideology that
35:19sweeps people along with it Bill Clinton
35:21domestically was a fairly Centrist uh
35:25you know I don't have too much to
35:26quarrel with him
35:28there uh uh on foreign policy was
35:32terrible absolutely terrible the World
35:34Trade Center was blown up in uh
35:371993 uh by Ramsey Yousef he intended to
35:41kill 50,000 people or 200,000 to top of
35:45one of the towers on the other the bomb
35:47is fired it wounded a thousand people it
35:50killed six Bill Clinton never visited
35:53the
35:53site dismissed it as an individual
35:56criminal act when it was inspired by the
35:59blind Sheik who just
36:01been um Osama Bin Laden we should have
36:05been stopped in the 90s before the World
36:08Trade Center was I I can go I've written
36:11a lot about this so Bill but in the case
36:14of that in the case of the the First
36:15World Trade Center bombing so what do
36:16you think was going on then in Bill
36:18Clinton's head when so this happens he
36:20never visited what is what's the
36:22ideology there that would lead him to
36:24that it's an interesting question I wish
36:26we had a um one of these Democrats on
36:29and you could ask them the question um I
36:33I'll try to get a former Adra just to
36:36skip ahead uh in this book I've written
36:40big agenda I I lay out what I think is
36:43going on that that uh the Democratic
36:46party is now a racist
36:48party uh if you use the the phrase
36:51people of color is a racist phrase
36:54identity politics is racist and it's
36:57anti American the fundamental American
37:00idea is that we're all creatures of a
37:05Divinity or maybe Nature's God whatever
37:08Jefferson wrote there um and equal in
37:13the eyes of our creator therefore we
37:15should be treated equally by our
37:17government and we have rights that are
37:20inalienable that government can't take
37:23away so it's all about individual
37:26freedom and most most importantly
37:28individual
37:30accountability when I was a kid in in
37:32public schools we
37:35always uh there was this phrase
37:38regardless of race color or
37:41Creed um an American is somebody who
37:45doesn't look at your Origins We're a
37:47nation of immigrants that way don't look
37:49at your origins of course if you come
37:51from a terrorist
37:54country we maybe we should have a
37:58a little betting process yeah
38:01um identity politics is the opposite
38:05what the left seeks the we are in a
38:07civil war situation now um and the
38:11reason is the reason it's so
38:13irreconcilable is that the left believe
38:16is a is racist it believes in a racial
38:18hierarchy so if you're the right skin
38:21color which is dark you go to the head
38:23of the line for admissions to college
38:25you go to the head of the line for job
38:26you go to the head line for a promotion
38:29you go to the headle line for almost
38:31anything everything's not diverse enough
38:34so we'll take
38:35anybody um so what would you say to the
38:37people that would say well white people
38:39had it good for a long time and and yeah
38:41and white people bad things and they did
38:44good things and one of the good things
38:45that white America did was to liberate
38:48the slaves people forget that we
38:50inherited
38:52slavery uh this is how I made myself
38:55notorious in the left by coming out
38:57against reparations for slavery 137
39:00years after the
39:02fact um America inherited a system of
39:05slavery slavery existed I learned this
39:07from Orlando Patterson who is a black
39:10left of
39:11center um sociologist at Harvard who's
39:14written prizewinning books on slavery
39:17and
39:18freedom slavery existed for 3,000 years
39:22nobody ever said it was immoral not
39:24Jesus not Moses not Aristotle
39:27until a white Christian males in England
39:31led by Wilbur Force said it's immoral
39:34and an American slave owner Thomas
39:36Jefferson wrote it into the birth
39:38certificate of this country that all men
39:41are created equal in a given right to
39:44Liberty by their creator within 20 years
39:47the slave trade was ended um the reason
39:51that America didn't initiate a Civil War
39:55in 1776 to free the slaves one of the
39:59biggest reasons was that England would
40:02have come and just retaken the colonies
40:04and reinstituted
40:06um slavery anyway and within a
40:08generation or a little more given in
40:11those days people lived shorter
40:13lives uh at the cost of uh
40:16350,000 Union Soldiers we liberated the
40:19slaves and liberated them throughout the
40:22hemisphere so black people Americans can
40:26be very proud proud of their Heritage um
40:29you know it's it's a human Heritage so
40:32it's got a lot of bad spots but you look
40:34at any other country in the world and uh
40:37forgive me lepus for saying
40:39this this one is the
40:42best what other country du Asians get in
40:45boats and risk their lives to get into
40:48you think they're coming here to be
40:49oppressed right I mean everybody
40:51everybody wants want to be here and then
40:53the funny thing is this at the same time
40:55you go to watch some of these protests
40:57and the people that are screaming about
40:58how racist and evil and patriarchy and
41:00all this stuff they're also the ones
41:02calling for open borders they want
41:03everyone to share in the horror that is
41:05well just destroy the country as anybody
41:07with any sense knows so how it's all but
41:09let me just say yeah the left is is it
41:15it's owes whatever ideas it has to Marx
41:19it's the Marxist Paradigm of the
41:21oppressors and the oppressed and it's an
41:24economic it begins as an economic and
41:26they've layered on race and gender um so
41:31but the fact is what determines a
41:34country's Prosperity is culture not
41:38classes it's culture America has a great
41:41culture we take in I one of the things
41:44we do is we take in brilliant people
41:46from all over the world and uh give them
41:49freedom to innovate other countries copy
41:53our Innovations Israel is the same way
41:55it's why they hate it
41:58because they're bringing in people from
42:00all over the world giving them
42:01opportunity BR but but also it's the
42:03freedom yeah people do not appreciate
42:06freedom in this country obviously since
42:08we our universities are now totalitarian
42:11institutions I can't go to a university
42:13without bodyguards yeah and that's been
42:17true for the last 15 years I've been
42:20physically attack if I didn't have
42:23bodyguards and if the university didn't
42:24put in place security I could never get
42:27through a speech yeah and I'm not alone
42:29it's any conservative no it's all
42:31virtually any conservative and it's and
42:32now it's moderates and this is fascism
42:35and it's it's totally embedded in our
42:38University system yeah do you make a
42:40distinction between sort of the leaders
42:42who really understand the stuff that
42:44you're talking about so the people who
42:46who are the leaders of this leftist
42:48movement versus the the bulk of the
42:51people who I think are following along
42:54without bad intentions like when I see
42:56all these kids who I you know I mock
42:58them on Twitter course people go to
42:59demonstrations to get laid
43:02Yeah Yeah you know and people are
43:04gullible and they don't think and they
43:06can't put two and two together the
43:09phrase I didn't want to skip this people
43:12of color is a racist phrase It's not
43:17English do we say here's a box of
43:20crayons of color it's French that's the
43:23way French people speak Purp or whatever
43:27they say yeah so it's a completely
43:30ideological construct what is its
43:33function well let's look at the Mexico
43:37two main ethnic
43:39groups the descendants of the Spanish
43:42conquistadors who slaughtered the
43:43indigenous Indians and the descendants
43:45of the indigenous Indians when they
43:48cross the border they're both people of
43:50color therefore they're oppressed both
43:51of them the
43:53Conquistadors and the indigenous people
43:55they're oppressed they deserve special
43:58sensitivities and special privileges
44:01maharajas in India are people of color
44:05beheaders in raqqa are people of color
44:09who aren't people of color white people
44:11yeah white people are evil bad this is a
44:14most this is this is the racist ideology
44:18of our time is it also lacking in
44:21several other ways I mean for example
44:22you could take American Indians uh
44:25people who've moved here from India or
44:27their grandparents moved here from India
44:28or you could take Asian people of
44:30virtually any nationality and they don't
44:33count in this leftist thing because they
44:36economically well the Indians haven't
44:39yeah the Native Americans I'm sorry I
44:41that was a
44:42ridiculous now I'm gonna we're not going
44:45to edit that out because I don't believe
44:46in that but that was an completely
44:47idiotic statement I me I meant American
44:50Indians from India who moved to America
44:52not Native Americans correct yeah
44:55correct Chinese the Japanese American
44:57Indians not Native Americans thank you
44:59for that's correct I just ruined my
45:01course they don't like success minor you
45:05you don't don't look over your
45:07shoulder there's only arrows there's
45:09only arrows
45:11coming um Indian joke right there yeah I
45:14mean the the
45:17left is is pathetic intellectually they
45:21don't have an argument so they have to
45:23purge those groups because those groups
45:25yeah that's why they have to shut you up
45:26because they can't deal with your
45:28arguments it's really simple
45:30straightforward and and it so invaded
45:32our literary culture the last two
45:34national book awards were given to
45:36racist tracks won by tanahi coats I can
45:40never remember the title um was it just
45:44a rank racist coats uh what what
45:49inspired him to write the book it's
45:50about how evil America is but how how
45:54was the murder of his friend not the
45:56murder
45:57the killing of his friend by a policeman
45:59in
46:00Maryland it turns out as he tells you
46:04that the policeman the policeman accused
46:07uh the Dead uh his dead friend of trying
46:10to run him over with his
46:12car the policeman is black so how what
46:16does coat say he was thinking white now
46:19if that isn't the purest racism yeah and
46:22this one now it's called stamp from the
46:24beginning it's a semil literate book
46:27that that it I mean that that they have
46:29lowered their
46:30standards so dramatically as
46:33a it still shocks me because these are
46:36intelligent people that people who give
46:38the awards but I should know better um
46:41but it opens with uh the police
46:44shootings of criminals in the last year
46:48which were totally distorted by black
46:51lives matter and other leftists into
46:54cops gunning down unarmed black these
46:57were predators and who did they pray
46:59pray on they prayed on black people
47:02Freddy gray I
47:04mean you know you could go on uh I can't
47:07even remember the names a guy in
47:09Ferguson
47:10um they're criminals who pre on black
47:14people but this guy has them as innocent
47:17blacks who are gunned down by racist
47:19cops so at the opening of his book which
47:21is which he has called the definitive
47:24history of racism in America he's
47:26exposes a liar and he won a national
47:28book award so our institutions have been
47:31just generally corrupted yeah so what is
47:35by This Racist ideology of the left so
47:38for a lot of people hearing this I think
47:39a certain amount of people hearing this
47:40are going to go yeah I get it see you
47:42don't talk quite like this which is why
47:44I think you're much harder to uh I'm I'm
47:47I I want to see you with a uh a
47:50so-called liberal I don't call them
47:52liberals cuz they're bigots yeah well
47:54I've had many Progressive progressives
47:56on this show and I treat them with the
47:57same respect that I treat anybody else I
48:00I my general rule is I don't find that
48:02Bering somebody or belittling them but
48:05yeah as I say I made this vow 30 30
48:08years ago that I was going to berate the
48:11left I was going to take hey hey LBJ how
48:14many kids did you kill today I actually
48:17when I was still sort of leaving the
48:18left I thought about that statement a
48:21lot saying let's see if I were a
48:24prisoner of war and I was in a room with
48:27my captor would I rather it was LBJ or
48:31hoi Min and it was a
48:35no-brainer so that's part of it is that
48:37you just constantly say the worst thing
48:39about your intellectual opponents
48:41because there's no end here that you
48:43just just constantly say anything to you
48:47and that's why I love Milo CU he just
48:49throws it right back in there face and
48:52that's what really needs to be done
48:53these people need to be embarrassed
48:55although I probably beond embarrassment
48:58yeah I I mean uh ABC
49:01News Stephanopoulos is sitting there
49:03with Katrina abon who who whose entire
49:06life has been spent apologizing for
49:09defending and uh advancing communist
49:11causes the hell is that that's
49:15ABC that's how far gone this country is
49:18so are all the answers then for you on
49:21the right or do you have frustrations
49:23with the right because I think right
49:24before we started we only talked for
49:25about 30 seconds think you said
49:27something liberal i' I tried to
49:31um no I mean I I I you know what did I
49:37oh I I took on the leaders of the
49:40religious right um
49:43over uh Mark R rasc uh was the governor
49:47of Montana and was the chairman of the
49:49RNC met with the I think it's called The
49:52Human Rights Association which is a gay
49:55group and he
49:57addressed them or whatever met with them
50:00and he was denounced by Paul wrick and
50:04very well-known leaders of the religious
50:06right and I wrote an article I saying
50:09that um a political party is not a
50:11religious movement or shouldn't be and
50:15uh it's the job of the RNC chair to
50:17reach out yeah and and so forth and I've
50:22never been an opponent of gay marriage
50:24and I you know I could go on and on yeah
50:28and you you mentioned before that
50:30abortion although you you're not a fan
50:33to say the least but you are pro-choice
50:35right so no I wouldn't describe myself
50:37as pro-choice I I I um and it's been a
50:42long lifetime of rethinking this issue
50:45when I grew up uh abortions
50:50were uh illegal after the third
50:54month and we know a lot lot more now and
50:59medical techniques well well we just
51:01know a lot more about fetuses um and you
51:04know there they're if you think about it
51:06they're children from conception I mean
51:08I just it's not an argument there's a
51:11person
51:12already um you think from the moment of
51:14yeah and the woman it's not about the
51:17woman's body
51:18alone uh you know I I think the fathers
51:23are involved as well but certainly
51:25there's a child there
51:27so you know the argument against it is
51:29you want to bring a kid into the world
51:31that's going to have a absolutely
51:33miserable life because it's a wrong
51:35parent at the wrong time you know and I
51:37I I think the energy should be spent
51:40on finding ways to take care of of
51:43children that their parents aren't able
51:45to take care of it's a very vexed
51:48problem yeah and I
51:50don't I've I've confronted uh
51:53right-wingers actually within the
51:54Heritage Foundation debate
51:57you know who said it's murder I said
51:59well if you think it's murder then you
52:01should be demanding the execution of
52:03every mother in America is that an
52:04abortion and if you don't it's a much
52:06more complicated problem so that's kind
52:09of where I am what was his response to
52:11that and shut him up that that gets him
52:14real quiet well that's why the abortion
52:15one to me is is one where I think very
52:18good people on both sides of this are
52:20just struggling with it's because it
52:22almost is coming down to the basic
52:23questions of life and it is but but you
52:26can't discuss basic questions in our
52:28political atmosphere not with the left I
52:31me the left wants to convert everything
52:32into a morality play where they're right
52:35how much of this is culture did you see
52:37that change too that it's just I know
52:40you're saying the culture is the most
52:41important thing but when did it go from
52:43like I I was thinking even this morning
52:45left started taking over the
52:46universities in the 70s now they they've
52:49got the K12 schools as well um and you
52:54know I conducted a was five or sixy Year
52:58campaign to try to get a an academic
53:00Bill of Rights really a student Bill of
53:02Rights that students have a right to a
53:05professional education and in a
53:07democracy that means that they uh
53:10professors can express their opinions
53:12but they have to present the opposing
53:14sides of controversial issues in a
53:16fair-minded way and I was attacked from
53:20one end of the country the other is a
53:22torada and a th controller was very
53:25liberal and I did it all out of their
53:27own documents there's a very famous
53:30academic freedom statement that was
53:32drawn up what's the Thought control part
53:34of trying to get more thought in there
53:36don't you know it can't be logical with
53:38the
53:39leftist this is the a these are
53:43stalinists I mean I debated them across
53:45the country they gosh I mean they they
53:48put me through the ringer but you know
53:49like I say you get to a point where
53:51you're liel prooof because they've
53:53libeled you so much that it does doesn't
53:55have but they fought it tooth and nail
53:58and for example I had
54:01praised uh in all of my speeches this
54:04it's is a 1915 statement on academic
54:07freedom by the American Association of
54:09University
54:11professors and the Penn State still has
54:14as it AC or had as its academic freedom
54:17provision the statement that the
54:19obligate the it is not the place of a
54:23professor in a Democratic Society to
54:25indoctrinate his or her students
54:28therefore they must present Divergent
54:31opinions in a fair-minded manner that's
54:33a paraphrase of it and I praise that and
54:36so the head of the aaup Carrie Nelson
54:41made it a personal crusade to get that
54:43ripped out of the Penn State academic
54:46freedom provision the so the so-called
54:48liberal person right wanted now this to
54:51be removed he's atist Carrie he actually
54:54I mean he's defended me in some so he's
54:57like an
54:59un whatever he's not quite of a
55:03doctrinaire but but he did The Faculty
55:06sent it there ripped it out and took out
55:08explicitly the thing it's not the place
55:10to indoctrinate the students yeah do you
55:12find when you when you meet people maybe
55:15some young people that are waking up to
55:16some of this stuff that once they see
55:18one piece of it that the rest of it
55:20crumbles very quickly because I see this
55:22because I saw it happen with myself
55:23obviously and I and for me it's still
55:26unfolding process I think and that's why
55:28I I'm happy to have these conversations
55:30but I see it happening with other people
55:31now I get emails every day people be
55:33like one little thing happened and then
55:35l two months later I now believe
55:38everything that Steve Miller says it was
55:40guns that's what turned him from a
55:42liberal into a
55:44conservative um I have uh somebody who
55:48who who writes occasionally from front
55:50page my website uh who who heard me
55:54speak in Camden New Jersey and I pointed
55:56out as I as I do in my book big
55:59agenda um every inner city of any size
56:03is 100% controlled by the Democratic
56:06party and progressives it has been for
56:0750 to 100 years including Camden so
56:11everything Milwaukee Atlanta Chicago all
56:13these plac all the Killing Fields St
56:15Louis Baltimore right um everything
56:18that's wrong in the inner cities that
56:20policy can affect Democrats and
56:22progressives are responsible for once
56:24you see that it's all over
56:27and then there are people out there
56:28screaming that it's he wasn't even
56:30President we we had this I here's a left
56:34this
56:34mentality when Peter ker and I wrote the
56:38uh this bestseller around the kennedies
56:40we found ourselves in a green room of uh
56:44Good Morning America sitting and there
56:47were only three people the other person
56:48was William F
56:50Buckley and was dead silence in the
56:53room and uh the reason
56:57that Peter and I were silent as we is we
56:59we had no idea who Buckley was we just
57:01knew we didn't want to be nice to a
57:05fascist that's what the left called him
57:07a fascist so we don't want to be nice to
57:08a fascist so Peter broke the ice by
57:11saying my mother is a big fan of yours
57:13and then we found out from Buckley who's
57:15a very gracious human being um that he
57:19was silent because his son had just uh
57:22written a very critical attack on a
57:25Kennedy book that was another one that
57:26came out and he didn't know if it was
57:30ours uh there but the lack of Civility
57:33of the left it just it's so it's fascist
57:36that's what it is and it there's there's
57:38no way I mean the only response you can
57:41have is one like Milo just go in their
57:44face otherwise I just shout you down
57:47yeah there is a an Incredible video that
57:49I saw a couple years ago of you at
57:52University of San Diego I think and a a
57:56young Muslim student gets up very
57:58articulate with a head scarf yeah and
58:01she At first she opens by thanking you
58:04for coming and saying she's that
58:05sarcastic diversity of thought and if
58:08people can watch it we'll link to it
58:10below so people can actually watch the
58:11video there's a twang of sarcasm in it
58:13or or it was either sarcasm or she was
58:15trying to butter you up before she went
58:17for the kill uh can you explain the rest
58:19of what happened there so that I don't
58:21then edit it she cuz it's falsely
58:26accused the Muslim Students Association
58:29of being a front for the Muslim
58:30Brotherhood which it is and
58:33Hamas
58:35so and and we had distributed a pamphlet
58:37showing this um so I instead of arguing
58:43with her about whether the Muslim
58:45Students Association and students for
58:47justice Palestine they're both Hamas
58:49fronts Brotherhood fronts uh instead of
58:53arguing with her I just decided to cut
58:55to the chase I said will you condemn
58:57amamas as a terrorist organization and
58:59she
59:00said uh you want to crucify me I said
59:05come I don't know how how I respond to
59:07comeing in and she said well if I don't
59:10condemn Hamas then I will be arrested by
59:13the Department of Homeland Security this
59:15is how delusional these people are so I
59:18changed the question and I had done this
59:20at other campuses so I knew what sort of
59:22to expect I said let me put it to you
59:25this I'm a Jew and the head of hisbah
59:28says he wants us Jews to gather in
59:30Israel so he won't have to hunt us down
59:32globally for it or against it she leaned
59:36into the microphone and said for it and
59:38she was defended afterwards by the
59:40Muslim Students Association the whole
59:43left they're genocidal they want to kill
59:46the Jews when she said that I suspect
59:49you were not shocked as insanely
59:51shocking as that sounds no because I had
59:54it I and you see Santa Barbara I asked
59:57the same question of the head of the
59:58Muslim Students Association and he said
1:00:01it was too complicated a question for a
1:00:03yes no answer right genocide is too
1:00:05complicated he was smarter than she was
1:00:08right hers was just like hers was just
1:00:10showing you what they think and what
1:00:11they want so all right so let's let's
1:00:14shift to to Islam then
1:00:17um I I've been talking about it and I've
1:00:20tried to bring on I've brought on
1:00:21liberals to talk about it I've had you
1:00:23know very measured people like Sam
1:00:25Harris quote pupes I've had aan her Alon
1:00:28who talks about her own personal
1:00:30experience enemies of the left people
1:00:33who are Majid noaz who's a Muslim Harris
1:00:35is you know he's still a leftist liberal
1:00:38yeah he's he's a liberal he's a liberal
1:00:40whether that I I I don't want to speak
1:00:41for him I don't get him into any extra
1:00:43trouble um but I've had my point is that
1:00:46I've had plenty of people thought of as
1:00:47liberals or on the left discuss it they
1:00:50get hate from the left then I've had
1:00:51people more on the right talk about it
1:00:54such as Lauren Southern and Ben Shapiro
1:00:57and some others and of course they're
1:00:59going to get a certain amount of hate
1:01:00for it how do you gauge how much of a
1:01:03problem this actually is at the moment
1:01:07the problem being the problem being
1:01:09Islamic
1:01:10extremism or VI or whatever you call it
1:01:13I think Islam is a a problem I no
1:01:17rational person could not look at Islam
1:01:19and say it's a not a problematic
1:01:21religion it preaches hatred against all
1:01:23other religions it sanctions
1:01:26uh there's just a series of quotes from
1:01:28the Quran sanctions murder beheading of
1:01:33infidels which is what we are um the
1:01:36prophet Muhammad has said has said that
1:01:38the day of judgment will only
1:01:41come when the Muslims fight the Jews and
1:01:44kill them when the Jews hide behind the
1:01:47rocks and the trees and the rocks and
1:01:49the trees cry out oh Muslim there's a
1:01:51Jew hiding behind me come and kill him
1:01:54yeah talk not only not
1:01:58repudiated by organized
1:02:01Islam uh but it's
1:02:03repeated um Yousef Al karwi um said as
1:02:09much the Holocaust was a punishment on
1:02:12Egyptian
1:02:13TV and he is the Imam the leading Imam
1:02:17not
1:02:18only for the Muslim Brotherhood but fora
1:02:21abedine Hillary's right hand that's her
1:02:24Imam that the the Holocaust was God's
1:02:27punishment of the Jews for their
1:02:29corruption and it will come again uh
1:02:32this time Allah willing at the hands of
1:02:35the Believers he's a genocidal Nazi is
1:02:38kadai and he's the mm of Hillary
1:02:41Clinton's rightand and Deputy in charge
1:02:44of Muslim Affairs for the state
1:02:46department yeah it's a big problem not a
1:02:49little one yeah so Keith Ellison is the
1:02:52Muslim Brotherhood uh candidate uh is
1:02:55now the number two guy in the Democratic
1:02:57party he only missed by 13 votes yeah
1:03:00how could the Democratic party Embrace
1:03:02this and Tom perz is no better but at
1:03:04least Ellison has an open record uh you
1:03:07know uh of of being in bed with the
1:03:10Muslim Brotherhood being supported by
1:03:12them and being a faran Jew hater and
1:03:15America hater and white hater come on
1:03:19what happened to the Democratic party
1:03:21yeah I mean and the faran stuff is
1:03:22amazing because even in the last couple
1:03:23days I don't follow faran verified
1:03:26Milo's not on Twitter anymore but I was
1:03:28looking at farrakhan's Twitter feed or
1:03:30something got retweeted into my feed I
1:03:32mean it's all God will destroy America
1:03:34hate all the Jews hate white people and
1:03:36he was for 11 years a spokesman for the
1:03:38Nation of
1:03:39Islam and you know people they have to
1:03:43repudiate what they did that this is
1:03:45this is why I say Barack Obama is a
1:03:47communist he was raised by Communists
1:03:50he's his whole political career until he
1:03:53became United States Senator was in the
1:03:56Communist left uh I mean I know these
1:03:59people
1:04:01um if you are part of a movement that
1:04:04you know is evil the first thing you
1:04:06want to do is warn other people about it
1:04:08especially when it's so deceptive it
1:04:10talks about social justice and all this
1:04:13crap anyway no well I mean that's but he
1:04:16hasn't so that's how you know what his
1:04:18allegiances are and when you asked me
1:04:21about the
1:04:22U this was earlier in our conversation
1:04:25about
1:04:26about why why is the Democratic party so
1:04:29soft on Islamic
1:04:31terrorists they're people of
1:04:35color that has to play a big role and
1:04:38first thing you do is oh we have to
1:04:40understand if they're killing people it
1:04:42must be because we did
1:04:44something very sick yeah what is that
1:04:47self- flagellation that so many people
1:04:49in the west have it's guilt I mean
1:04:52Shelby steel has WR guil of success
1:04:54Shelby steel has written a book called
1:04:56white guilt yeah it'll bring down our
1:04:59our great
1:05:01civilization if it's not you know and we
1:05:05haven't talked about Donald Trump which
1:05:06is the subject of my book yeah okay so
1:05:08let's I think is I think if we have an
1:05:11antidote he's he's it so you really
1:05:14believe that that Trump and that you
1:05:16know I was going to say a second ago
1:05:18when you were talking about uh you know
1:05:20fighting the roots of Islamic extremism
1:05:22I mean Bannon from what I understand
1:05:25seems to be the architect of that that
1:05:28he's a good guy Steve bennon
1:05:30yeah so you don't believe him to be an
1:05:33anti-semite or hell no first of all the
1:05:36chief evidence there's two evidence
1:05:39given that Steve Bannon is an
1:05:41anti-semite one is a disgruntled wife in
1:05:44the middle of a divorce proceeding in
1:05:46custody case who said who claimed that
1:05:48he said that Jewish children are
1:05:51whiny which well may well be the case if
1:05:54you you know the the whole ritual of bar
1:05:56mitzvah you shower a 13-year-old with
1:05:59tons of money and give him an audience
1:06:02of adults okay so they might be a lot to
1:06:05deal with they might be whining who
1:06:07knows right um but that's certainly not
1:06:10um
1:06:11juting um right regard even if even if
1:06:15say it that's not you'd have to big deal
1:06:19fighting with that wife that over the
1:06:22kids and when they go to school and
1:06:23maybe the school was very expensive is
1:06:25an expensive School the Archer School
1:06:28the other evidence is an article that I
1:06:30wrote I gave the title to uh Bill
1:06:35Crystal Republican spoiler Renegade Jew
1:06:38uhuh so people who haven't read the
1:06:40article I read the article I did not
1:06:42find anything anti no he Renegade
1:06:44because he he's going to return hum
1:06:47abedine and Ben rhods who was the
1:06:50architect one of the architects of the
1:06:53Iran deal back to Power
1:06:56it's a death nail for Israel I mean what
1:06:58they've done eight and not to mention
1:07:01the United I mean it's not Iran isn't
1:07:03powerful enough to destroy the United
1:07:05States but its leaders do chant lead
1:07:07chance of death to America that's what
1:07:09they believe why if Franklin Roosevelt
1:07:13gave nuclear weapons to Hitler what
1:07:15would we call them Obama is an American
1:07:18traitor and that's because he's a
1:07:20communist and always has been and always
1:07:22will be so I know enough people are
1:07:24going to watch that and go wait a minute
1:07:25but the deal says that they can't get
1:07:26nukes but you would say Well it mean
1:07:28expires it expires there one it expires
1:07:31two what he the effect of the deal was
1:07:33to lift the sanctions bring Iran back
1:07:36into the community of Nations he gave
1:07:38them
1:07:38$200 billion dollar 200 billion 100 well
1:07:43I forget all the payments and there's no
1:07:47controls but even if there were controls
1:07:50why would you bring them out of
1:07:51isolation now Iran is running over the
1:07:53Middle East they over through the
1:07:55government in Yemen you know which is
1:07:58why we now are losing American lives
1:08:01there come
1:08:02on anyway so so that's why I thought
1:08:05that Crystal and I didn't attack Crystal
1:08:08during during the
1:08:10campaign you know look I you
1:08:14know I can see Donald Trump I can see
1:08:17why he upsets some people yeah I can see
1:08:19how in my view the
1:08:22exaggerated you know the whatever the
1:08:24fears the you know I don't think for a
1:08:27second that he's anti-mexican or bigoted
1:08:30in any way um and it you know and I'm
1:08:33I'm one of those people who says well
1:08:35look he's been in public life for 30
1:08:36years he didn't become a racist until he
1:08:39was running against a Democrat For
1:08:41Crying Out
1:08:42tears I so I but I I could see uh how
1:08:47people would get been out of shape
1:08:48during the
1:08:49campaign but once he's the
1:08:52nominee then it's him or Hillary and if
1:08:55it's Hillary it's haa abedine I mean
1:08:57it's you know the whole anti-israel crew
1:09:01so you can sympathize then with Bill
1:09:03Crystal's intent so Bill Crystal who
1:09:05wanted conservatism all you know what's
1:09:07thought of as real real conservatism to
1:09:10live forever these are relig these are
1:09:12these are people treating Politics as a
1:09:14religion if you don't refer to the
1:09:17United States as a constitutional
1:09:18republic you're not a conservative if
1:09:21you don't use the phrase limited go
1:09:23limited government he never said said
1:09:25that that that that's not look what he's
1:09:28doing now I mean he's cutting the
1:09:30government in a
1:09:32big so they'll be I mean it's just crazy
1:09:35he won me over this way I mean I was
1:09:38nervous about him through the campaign
1:09:39because you don't know uh you know this
1:09:42is his first Venture into politics I
1:09:44don't I don't know I'm I'm not nervous
1:09:46about him anymore although I think he'll
1:09:48disappoint me on some things but he won
1:09:51me over in the first debate here's a guy
1:09:55he's never been a a a political
1:09:57candidate before he's on a platform with
1:10:00uh 12 of uh you know the top Republicans
1:10:04in the country it's in front of I don't
1:10:07remember it's 30 million people or
1:10:09whatever it is and the fir and he gets
1:10:12the first question because he has the
1:10:13highest percentage in the polls and it's
1:10:16not a question it's an attack from Megan
1:10:19Kelly you called women fat pigs slobs
1:10:23and
1:10:24dogs and and he says oh that was just
1:10:26Rosie Odon I said this guy is a guy they
1:10:29can't
1:10:30intimidate because the political
1:10:32correctness is a party line as I said it
1:10:36comes from ma it's a like a Communist
1:10:38Party Line it shuts you up there is no
1:10:42other Republican Under the Sun who on
1:10:45national TV this time in front of 50
1:10:47billion people would have looked Hillary
1:10:48Clinton in the eye and said you're a
1:10:51liar and a crook even though she's both
1:10:54if it were a man they would say it why
1:10:57be because it's this gigantic double
1:11:00standard it's Politically
1:11:03Incorrect to say anything critical about
1:11:06a woman this is ridiculous if that's the
1:11:09case they shouldn't be in politics now
1:11:12the left will just take out that phrase
1:11:13shouldn't be in politics but you can't
1:11:15be protected and at the same time
1:11:17pretend to be strong you know it's
1:11:19interesting how pricious some of this
1:11:20stuff is because I'll even see sometimes
1:11:22if if if a man attacks me on Twitter not
1:11:24that Twitter are that important but I'll
1:11:26immediately defend myself and come back
1:11:28and I've had a few instances where women
1:11:30have and I've just ignored it because I
1:11:32don't want to attack a woman and I know
1:11:33that's my own then that's it's just my
1:11:36own reflection of what I'm you know
1:11:38we've all been schooled in that and then
1:11:40there's penalties you have to think
1:11:42quickly about what the consequences are
1:11:44how do you it so that desire to punch
1:11:47back or to not be held hostage by
1:11:49political correctness or all that stuff
1:11:51would you argue that that is far more
1:11:52important than any of his political
1:11:55totally
1:11:55that that's what once I saw here's a guy
1:11:59who the Democrats can't intimidate look
1:12:02I I use this phrase in my speeches
1:12:04whenever I see a republican square off
1:12:06against a Democrat it looks to me like
1:12:08Godzilla versus Bambi because the
1:12:10Republic the the Democrat is going to
1:12:13call the Republican a racist a sexist a
1:12:15homophobe an islamophobe and the
1:12:18Republican will call the Democrat a
1:12:21liberal who's going to win that argument
1:12:24so this is a bul
1:12:25or and I love the way they they call
1:12:28Trump a blitz Creek the Democrat Blitz
1:12:31Creek uh we have a tradition in this
1:12:33country it's sacred to a democracy of a
1:12:36honeymoon for an incoming president it
1:12:38says there's a peaceful transition of
1:12:40power it says we're all part of one
1:12:42Community it says we're going to see
1:12:44what you do and then we're free to
1:12:46criticize you and the remedy is the next
1:12:50election Trump didn't get 7 seconds he
1:12:53didn't get confirmation hearings he got
1:12:54a witch
1:12:56the and this is another example of how
1:12:58political correctness Works uh Jeff
1:13:01sessions I've known him for 20 years one
1:13:04of and I've known a lot of senators one
1:13:06of a handful of the most decent human
1:13:08decent human beings in the Senate a
1:13:11champion of civil rights this was an
1:13:13attorney general in a deep south St
1:13:16State who prosecuted the K clux Clan who
1:13:18desegregated the schools and there's
1:13:21Elizabeth Warren calling him a racist
1:13:23and then violating Senate rules to
1:13:26repeat calling him a racist and when
1:13:28she's told to shut up they say oh
1:13:31they're silencing another
1:13:33woman yeah that's how effective
1:13:35political correctness is it just to be
1:13:37clear for people that didn't didn't
1:13:39follow that whole thing she was reading
1:13:41other people's words which isn't
1:13:42technically allowed in the Senate so
1:13:44that she was doing something that she
1:13:45wasn't allowed to do by their own rules
1:13:47then everyone turned it into happened to
1:13:49be a letter from ketta Scott King that
1:13:51she was repudiated what happened was uh
1:13:54in Alabama there were there were three
1:13:57blacks who who's uh were defrauded of
1:14:01their voting rights because they were in
1:14:02opposition to three other blacks who
1:14:05were nacp corrupt officials that's the
1:14:08whole case and and uh sessions didn't
1:14:12know how to defend himself the first
1:14:14time he was up in the 80s I mean this is
1:14:15a thing Republicans are not used to
1:14:18fighting back they used to getting out
1:14:20of the way as why wouldn't you if people
1:14:23are calling you racist sexist
1:14:25to so it's obvious to me that that stuff
1:14:28is not working as much anymore so then
1:14:31my last question that that is amazing so
1:14:34the words aren't but what I now think is
1:14:36we're going to see more violence because
1:14:38they've been pinned into a corner where
1:14:40everyone that they're against is a Nazi
1:14:41and a racist and all those things we
1:14:42will see violence so I I suspect we're
1:14:44going to see more violence but my last
1:14:46question to you is with this Evolution
1:14:50with with now the first Republican as
1:14:53you're saying with Trump that's not
1:14:54going to take it
1:14:55it what what's the good path now like
1:14:58what if you could see something good
1:15:00coming out of these next couple years
1:15:02what is that
1:15:04path you know I I am uh Antonio gromy
1:15:09once said that
1:15:10um the Revolutionary for the
1:15:14Revolutionary must have pessimism of the
1:15:17intellect and optimism of the will and I
1:15:21think he stole that from
1:15:23somebody um
1:15:25I can't I can't remember who but I think
1:15:27he did it it's in Wikipedia well if it's
1:15:30in Wikipedia definitely stole it from
1:15:32somebody I
1:15:34um yeah I I you know my head will tell
1:15:38me that nothing is good is going to come
1:15:40and I'm you know and you can see I mean
1:15:42there's so many so many problems
1:15:47of you know as I pointed out in in in my
1:15:50in my book big agenda the left the
1:15:53Democratic party uh it's a totalitarian
1:15:56party now it lied to get obam carian
1:15:59lied about you can keep your doctor lied
1:16:02about you can keep your plan and it and
1:16:04its mission was control it's an an
1:16:07incredible assault on individual Freedom
1:16:12the government tells you you have to
1:16:14have insurance the government tells you
1:16:16you have to have you you have what are
1:16:18they four packages this is the kind of
1:16:21insurance you have to have and the
1:16:23government gets all your health
1:16:26information that is a totalitarian
1:16:29threat right there but Republicans
1:16:32they're lame why aren't they saying that
1:16:36so replacing Obamacare is obviously um
1:16:40you know as as we're speaking
1:16:41Republicans are all in
1:16:43disarray
1:16:45um I don't know I don't know what's
1:16:48going to happen um Trump is fairly
1:16:51isolated you have all these conservative
1:16:54idiots like Crystal um and MC Mullen
1:16:58gunning for him um Republicans marched
1:17:02to their tune of their own said it
1:17:05drummers all the time they're
1:17:08individualists I was amazed when the Tea
1:17:10Party came in and and held a
1:17:12demonstration in Washington before that
1:17:15you couldn't get three Republicans to
1:17:17March together because they look at each
1:17:19other and say what are we collectivists
1:17:21so so does that then I already said it
1:17:23was the last question but we'll keep
1:17:24going for a little bit so there's that
1:17:25though so when the Tea Party organized
1:17:27and the Tea Party was gaining momentum
1:17:29everyone was saying there were these
1:17:31redneck backward gun nuts and in fact
1:17:33they were very decent people who cleaned
1:17:35up after themselves left it's just
1:17:38destructive nobody was hurt there was no
1:17:41violence cops fascists when people start
1:17:44referring to the left as fascists and
1:17:46not liberals then I'll say okay we're
1:17:49winning now it's not right now it isn't
1:17:52happening they go on they like I say I
1:17:55mean it's corrupted our culture it's
1:17:57corrupted our
1:17:59schools uh it's just very very bad but I
1:18:03think you know I I my faith is in Steve
1:18:06Bannon and Steve Miller these are two
1:18:09fighters and Trump and Trump understands
1:18:13instinctively that when you get attacked
1:18:15you attack back and throw them off well
1:18:18I I have this phrase that I I picked up
1:18:21from Chris Lane who's a democratic was
1:18:24in the New York York Times an article
1:18:26about him uh a democratic strategist but
1:18:29he he stole it from Mike
1:18:32Tyson which is everybody has a game plan
1:18:35until you punch them in the
1:18:37mouth and the Democrats have a massive
1:18:40punch in the mouth for Republicans
1:18:41calling them
1:18:42racists and uh Republicans have to come
1:18:46back and call Democrats the Democratic
1:18:49party is the party of racism it's the
1:18:51party of racial categories it's the
1:18:53party of identity politics it's the
1:18:56party of the inner cities it is a racist
1:18:59party it is also and I love this what
1:19:02what Trump said in the was in the second
1:19:05debate he turned to the cameras and said
1:19:08you have to understand Hillary has
1:19:10tremendous hatred in her
1:19:13heart and what he was referring to was
1:19:15the basket of deplorables which she
1:19:17named she identified all of her
1:19:20opponents or whatever half the same
1:19:23thing um
1:19:25are racist sexists homophobes
1:19:27islamophobes xenophobes you name it and
1:19:30he's raised them up there isn't a
1:19:33conservative or a deviating liberal who
1:19:37hasn't been in an argument with a
1:19:39so-called liberal who hasn't been called
1:19:41a racist a sexist a homophobe so in a
1:19:43way that was a gift the Democratic party
1:19:45is a party of hate that's what they run
1:19:48on everything they're doing now is is
1:19:52hate invent conspiracy theories with the
1:19:55Russians I mean this from a party whose
1:19:58candidate turned over 20% of America's
1:20:01uranium reserves to the
1:20:02Russians I mean how do you deal with
1:20:05that the only way in politics you have a
1:20:079sec sound bite just go for the
1:20:11jugular well I hope but I don't want you
1:20:13I I I like your style I want to see if
1:20:16we can convert people that way yeah well
1:20:19I think interesting I think
1:20:21interestingly people are being converted
1:20:23on both sides because I think what's
1:20:24happening is I I know for sure that I've
1:20:27helped a lot of progressives realize
1:20:29what true liberalism is and at the same
1:20:31time I think I've had and I know that
1:20:33I've gotten a lot of more conservative
1:20:36people to realize that not all Liberals
1:20:38are bad and I think that's where most of
1:20:40us actually are I know that that's good
1:20:42I don't want to take anything away from
1:20:44you but I I found when I came into the
1:20:46right I conservatives are generally very
1:20:49decent people M and when I criticize the
1:20:53um religious right leadership I had
1:20:56different reactions um from things like
1:20:58the family research Council I had people
1:21:01in my
1:21:02face the blood vessels popping screaming
1:21:06at me MH um and I had people who were
1:21:09very supportive very Christian um in
1:21:12that way and I also had this experience
1:21:15in the 2008 I was at the Moral
1:21:18Majority uh Ralph reeden invited me to
1:21:20come down to
1:21:22Atlanta and uh the woman who who who who
1:21:26was my connection there and a Moral
1:21:28Majority member I asked her I said well
1:21:31if John McCain gets a nomination will
1:21:33you vote for him and she said
1:21:35yeah so you know people what the what
1:21:38the religious right needs to understand
1:21:40is that there's religion and then
1:21:41there's politics and religion is about
1:21:44saving your Immortal soul and if you
1:21:47mess with the devil you endanger it and
1:21:50in politics you make packs with the
1:21:52devil all the
1:21:53time it's about getting into office and
1:21:56trying to practically change some things
1:21:59yeah and one thing that I wanted to talk
1:22:01yes to talk to you about that I just
1:22:03remembered it's a home studio so we can
1:22:05keep going go ahead go ahead is this
1:22:09um why is the why is the left and now
1:22:13so-called liberalism why are
1:22:15progressives
1:22:17totalitarians and the answer is that
1:22:21they it's it's a crypto
1:22:25religious uh
1:22:29ideology it's modeled on Christianity
1:22:32the world is a fallen Place although
1:22:33they never use that the world is an
1:22:36oppressive place it's Injustice rules
1:22:39but there will be a
1:22:41Redemption and we are the
1:22:43redeemers that's the danger we have to
1:22:46re and then you see it all the time we
1:22:48have to remake Humanity so it fits our
1:22:51model of the
1:22:52Redemption that's why there's so if only
1:22:55Bernie was in we have to Outlaw we have
1:22:57to Stamp Out racist sexist homophobes
1:23:01people who we disagree with yeah Milo we
1:23:05can't let him
1:23:08speak time to what is more the only
1:23:11difference between that and an actual
1:23:13totalitarian state is if they had the
1:23:15power they would execute Milo he'd be in
1:23:18a gulag or he'd be dead yeah do you
1:23:20remember there was a line a couple years
1:23:21ago that Oprah who and I basically like
1:23:23Oprah and back Oprah I'd be happy to
1:23:25have her on the show of course when she
1:23:27was talking about the you know this
1:23:28older generation and some of their
1:23:30backwards ways of thinking and she said
1:23:31well we just they just have to die I
1:23:33remember thinking like even if what
1:23:35you're saying some that yes there might
1:23:37be you know studies show that younger
1:23:39people are generally more liberal and on
1:23:41the social issu they not more liberal
1:23:43they're less older blacks are liberal
1:23:46that's why Oprah doesn't like them oh
1:23:48that all right so well that sort of fits
1:23:50everything else that you're saying but
1:23:51but my point being that when she said it
1:23:53it sounds so nuts to me because one day
1:23:54if you just if you take that logic to
1:23:56its end guess what one day the young
1:23:59people are going to want all of you dead
1:24:01when you're old because it just will
1:24:03it'll just keep going can't try to make
1:24:05sense out of it but it is it's the
1:24:07reever it's the actually the reverse
1:24:10older blacks
1:24:13um are not as racist as younger blacks
1:24:16racism is pervasive now I mean this is a
1:24:20very Politically Incorrect to say but I
1:24:23think it's pretty obvious racist uh
1:24:25pervas racism is pervasive in the black
1:24:28community and especially among younger
1:24:30people who've been to schools and
1:24:32told that their all their problems come
1:24:35from White
1:24:36races very bad you
1:24:40know the 50s were much better times in
1:24:43this country so I think I only got a
1:24:45half answer then before you said my head
1:24:47doesn't have a lot of Hope something to
1:24:49that effect about the future but what
1:24:51about your my head well I'm I I'm an
1:24:54optim missed by jeans I don't know how I
1:24:56am I just am I you know I I phrased it
1:25:01in a book I wrote you know I when my my
1:25:04head is in conflict with my heart I
1:25:06follow my heart so I'm I'm going to
1:25:08fight till I
1:25:10drop as though there's a going to be a
1:25:13positive outcome but uh you know there's
1:25:17um what was his name skipio
1:25:20Africanus was a Roman
1:25:22general who burned
1:25:24Carthage and when he saw Carthage Going
1:25:28Up in Smoke he
1:25:30wept because
1:25:33the classical view was that all it's all
1:25:36cyclical Empires rise and fall societies
1:25:39rise and fall and this idea of progress
1:25:43is one of the really bad ideas that the
1:25:46Jews gave to us the idea of there's a
1:25:49Promised Land although maybe Moses
1:25:52didn't mean it in a way that left this
1:25:54mean it but that idea of a
1:25:56progress is the
1:25:59problem can't redeem the world can't be
1:26:02fixed why can't the world be
1:26:04fixed because the root source of all
1:26:07social problems is US
1:26:10individuals so you can maybe it you know
1:26:14it's it's very hard to take one
1:26:16individual who's gone off the de end and
1:26:19bring them back yeah but you know modest
1:26:23it's you know this is the oldest thing I
1:26:25was a volte 10 your own garden you can
1:26:28make the space around you maybe a little
1:26:31bit more Humane you can help an
1:26:33individual but you can't change the
1:26:37world well on that note I sense we could
1:26:39do a lot more so we'll have to do this
1:26:41again okay we'll see may you know we'll
1:26:43do this how about we do this one year
1:26:44from now and we'll see if I've
1:26:46Incorporated some of your T Optimist I'm
1:26:49an optimist I'll be around next I I
1:26:52can't help it I'm old enough to know
1:26:54that that that will be you know a
1:26:56blessing you're you're 78 years old how
1:26:59do you look so good uh your makeup
1:27:02that's all the makeup no I saw you when
1:27:03you walked in come on what's the trick
1:27:05uh I don't know I I have a great
1:27:08marriage wonderful wife um I tried to
1:27:13balance the political with the you know
1:27:16real real life stuff my animals I all
1:27:20these dogs I
1:27:22love um yeah I don't know and it's also
1:27:26in the
1:27:27jeans all right one year from now we
1:27:30will do it again and for more on David
1:27:32you can check out his new book big
1:27:34agenda president Trump's plan to save
1:27:36America and visit Hartz freedom
1:27:38center.org

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