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0:00Guys, I have a cold, so you're going to
0:01have to deal with it. But, the show goes
0:03on.
0:05I don't care
0:06what you think about these conflicts.
0:09Whether you like them, whether you hate
0:11them, whether you support or hate the
0:12men who participate in them, it doesn't
0:14matter.
0:16If you intellectually can't understand
0:18the value behind getting real-world
0:21combat information that is incredibly
0:23valuable because combat, you have to
0:25understand, is changing a lot right now.
0:28Then I don't know what to tell you. In
0:29today's video, we'll be talking about a
0:31very complex issue, and that is going to
0:34be urban combat. A place that urban
0:36combat is taking place in right now is
0:38in Gaza. So, with us, we're going to
0:40have two Israeli special operations men
0:43who, as of 4 days ago, were fighting on
0:46the front. So, a lot of you are going to
0:48be angry at the way they think about
0:50their convictions. Again, I don't care.
0:52They're going to be the way they're
0:53going to be. We're not going to censor
0:54them. This is history. This is what's
0:56actually occurring on the ground. This
0:57is reality. Separate your emotions from
1:00however you feel, and learn some very
1:02valuable information. In today's video,
1:04they are two professional military
1:06members fighting against a terrorist
1:08organization.
1:09Again, I don't care what you think about
1:10that. Here's the thing. This goes both
1:13ways, the information that we're
1:15learning. Whether you are fighting
1:17against an enemy that is entrenched in a
1:18city, which is a very plausible
1:20situation, or whether you're on the
1:22opposite end,
1:24this information is highly highly
1:27valuable. So, I hope you guys will enjoy
1:30as today we talk about urban combat from
1:32men who are currently fighting in a
1:34complex urban environment.
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2:57um this is a very important topic, so
2:58let's get into it. So, if you're not
3:00familiar with my background, my name is
3:01Michael Jones. I am a former Air Force
3:03special warfare member. Served for 9
3:04years. Served in survival, and then as a
3:06TAC-P. Um this is a topic that I can't
3:09speak to. Um this is why we brought on
3:11two experts from this local conflict.
3:13You have to understand, guys,
3:14they were just in the conflict. So,
3:18again, separate your feelings from the
3:20information that you're going to learn.
3:21We do have to give a big shout-out to
3:22Agilite. It should be noted that Agilite
3:24did uh sponsor them, get them out here
3:26and everything. Agilite is a um uh
3:28equipment company. They make a lot of
3:29good stuff. Um full disclosure, we did
3:32have the uh Israeli um public affairs
3:35hit us up when the war kicked off,
3:36asking if we wanted to do anything. We
3:38declined. We try to stay as neutral as
3:39possible on this stuff. So, understand,
3:42we're not connected at all with any of
3:44the public affairs or anything that's
3:45going on there. This is merely for
3:47combat information. With all that being
3:48said, gentlemen, please come on. How's
3:50it going? Thanks for coming. Uh
3:52gentlemen, please uh introduce
3:53yourselves for the audience. Um I
3:55understand uh you have to stay a little
3:56bit more anonymous, but please go ahead.
3:58All right. Well, um I served in uh Egoz,
4:01which is a commando unit for 4 years.
4:04I've been in a reserve unit right now
4:05for the past uh 4 or 5 months in Gaza.
4:08I'm Lev. I uh I was in a paratroopers in
4:11the 101st Israeli 101st paratrooper uh
4:14brigade uh for about 2 and 1/2 years,
4:16and now I've been in reserves also in
4:17the in the paratroopers for the last 7 8
4:20years. And uh I was in Gaza for a little
4:23bit less time. I was in for about a
4:25month and a half, and before that we
4:26were basically up north for a couple
4:28months, and before that, right after the
4:297th of October, we were clearing houses
4:32and clearing Israeli bodies out of uh
4:34Kvar Aza. Yep. Um gentlemen, so there's
4:36there's a lot to talk about today. I do
4:37want to start off by saying that we did
4:39talk to um US government to change the
4:42weather, so it's really close to Gaza
4:43right now for you guys. I'm sure you
4:44guys are used to the cold and
4:46everything, right? This is perfect
4:47weather for what you do. Yeah, that's
4:49exactly what we do. It it is what it is,
4:50guys. Uh we can't control the weather on
4:52that. With that being said, gentlemen,
4:54um let's get into it.
4:57We're going to kick this thing off with
4:59the most intense information, and that's
5:00going to be urban combat. There's a lot
5:02to it. Um we're not going to make you
5:04guys experts in urban combat, but we're
5:06going to learn some first-hand
5:08experience from the guys who have been
5:09there as of recently as a couple days
5:11ago. So, gentlemen, uh I know there's a
5:13lot here. You guys are the subject
5:15matter experts. Please, take it away.
5:16Yeah. I would first start by saying that
5:18like I I at least feel like I'm by no
5:19means an expert in urban combat. I think
5:21you'd have to be years in urban combat
5:23to become an expert.
5:24It's exactly what the Ukrainians said.
5:25They're like, "Oh, we're not we're not I
5:26don't feel like I don't have enough
5:27experience killing people." I'm like,
5:28you guys have been doing this for a long
5:31time.
5:31Yeah. Like I've seen the unit I'm in
5:33getting so much better over the period
5:34of time, and you kind of develop a sense
5:35for it, for sure.
5:36Definitely. Definitely. Same by us. And
5:38developing a like a spatial awareness
5:40of, you know, what what windows are
5:42looking at you, where your And also,
5:44when you're doing CQB, you probably
5:46experienced this when you like do
5:47something wrong and keep going, you're
5:49like, "Ooh, I feel like I'm slightly
5:50more in danger than I should be right
5:51now." You know what I mean? So, you have
5:53that a lot, and then you're like, "Oh,
5:54okay, I can do that better next time."
5:55But, like there's definitely a lot of
5:56lessons we learned about how Hamas
5:58fights, how they set up situations for
6:00us to fall into, ambushes, whatever. How
6:02they try to draw us in. You want to talk
6:03about some of that? We got we got some
6:05reports of them basically like using
6:07record tape recordings of like baby
6:09crying and stuff like that, injuring
6:11dogs so that the dog is making like a
6:13whining noise. Just things that draw you
6:15into to to an area to be like, "Okay,
6:17what's that?" And that's where they want
6:19to ambush you and hit you with
6:20explosives, RPGs, and just lead you into
6:23their spot and take you out. There's
6:26also the the classic ambush technique,
6:27which is where they would, you know,
6:28fire fire at us from a position, hoping
6:31we would close the distance and move in
6:33so that they could hit us with another
6:34ambush. Yeah.
6:35That's that's all the time. How does
6:36that typically look? I mean, it'll look
6:38like you you come to like an open area,
6:40say like uh like an kind of an open city
6:43center or something, or like uh open
6:45marketplace or something. You're in a
6:46house, and suddenly your tank gets hit
6:48by an RPG or something, right? And if
6:50they're they're shooting just an RPG-7
6:52at a tank, it's not going to do anything
6:53to the tank. They're doing that so that
6:55you're going to come out and try to try
6:57to get over to their building and attack
6:58them, and that's exactly the last thing
6:59you need to do.
7:00Yeah. For sure. Yep. Um cuz you get some
7:03hungry predator drones up there in the
7:04sky who can help you out with that.
7:06you guys are hearing noises now, whether
7:08it be whining dogs, crying kids, and
7:10stuff, are you sending drones up to
7:11investigate beforehand now?
7:13Definitely. We're reporting it, and uh
7:15in anyways that don't endanger our teams
7:18to investigate the sources of these
7:20sounds.
7:21Yeah. Um it's an indication to more to
7:23more uh combat. Um and uh yeah, we have
7:26drones for that. We have
7:28We have more expendable methods. I mean,
7:30anytime we can basically send in a
7:32drone, but you can only carry so many
7:33drone batteries. And those little DJI
7:35Avata batteries, they last like
7:3718 minutes or something. How long do
7:38those things last? It depends on the
7:40drone, but
7:40Yeah, the Avata, the one with the
7:41closed-off um propellers. Uh yeah, that
7:45one that one's a short battery.
7:46Yeah, and maybe you carry like nine
7:47batteries, 10 batteries, or something.
7:49So, obviously, you can't send it
7:50everywhere. But, yeah, obviously, if you
7:51see something suspicious, if you hear
7:53something suspicious, you're going to
7:54send that in. Um you said you guys are
7:56using the DJI Avatas.
7:58Yeah. Why is that? They're super
7:59durable, and they're really small,
8:00basically.
8:01So, if I'm not mistaken, the Avatas have
8:03the protection around the propellers.
8:04Yeah. Yeah. So, do you guys like how are
8:06you how are you implementing them? How
8:08are you using them? So, if yeah, if if
8:09we're going to go into a house, um and
8:11we felt that there was a high chance,
8:13either because of uh intelligence
8:15reports that we'd got saying that it was
8:16a uh a dangerous house, a house that it
8:18had known Hamas operatives working out
8:20of it or something, or if if someone had
8:22seen movement in that house in the like
8:24a couple days leading up to that, so
8:26when we got there, we might send in the
8:27drone, send it in through one of the
8:29windows, or through a hole in the wall,
8:30or through the door, and and just have
8:32that drone go around as much as
8:33possible. So, you're actually sending
8:36the drone into the building. No
8:38And you go you send the drone inside the
8:39building, and and and then you have the
8:40drone operator, right, who's wearing his
8:42VR glasses, and he also has flip-down
8:45phone screen connected to the drone. So,
8:47he's looking through the glasses, and
8:48then the platoon commander is next to
8:50him looking at the uh the screen. Maybe
8:52also the company commander, depending on
8:54uh where he is in the combat. So, that
8:56then then the the platoon commander can
8:57build a plan for how to how to clear the
8:59building cuz he knows the internal
9:00layout. And you can look for suspicious
9:02stuff. And if you see that there's
9:04someone inside the building, you can
9:05choose to, you know, deal with him as
9:07you please. Uh how do how how are
9:09individuals typically So, combatants, uh
9:11how are they reacting to these drones
9:13flying in their face? So, it kind of
9:15depends on the mental and physical state
9:17of the combatant. You have some guys
9:18that are like their tunnel was air
9:20striked or something. They come out, and
9:22they haven't eaten or really and they
9:23may be injured, and they may be sitting
9:24in a house for a couple days waiting for
9:26someone to come in so they can throw
9:27their last grenade at him. And those
9:28guys are just going to kind of just look
9:30at it, maybe, right? But, then you have
9:32some guys who are are trying to hit it
9:34with like brooms or sticks, or like
9:36shooting at it, throwing rocks at it, um
9:38trying to swat them out of the air. It's
9:40hilarious. It's really good. Can they
9:41they survive that, being swatted out of
9:43the air? I mean, who knows? It doesn't
9:45really matter. Like I think a drone is
9:46worth the terrorist like uh to most
9:49people. But, yeah, they're pretty
9:50they're pretty strong. What happens a
9:51lot when you send them into a house is
9:52that they just eventually lose
9:54connection with the operator, so either
9:55he sees that he's losing collect
9:57connection and pulls out or he just it
9:59just he loses connection and just falls
10:01on the floor and then what when we clear
10:02the house afterwards, we just kick kick
10:04it to the side as we're going through
10:05and then pick it up after. DJI Avatars,
10:07huh?
10:07Yeah. That's interesting.
10:09Uh you mentioned throwing a grenade at
10:10it. Why would they not just shoot it?
10:12Why would they throw a grenade at a
10:13drone? That makes no sense to me. I
10:15mean,
10:16it's kind of like a Hamas tactic in
10:17general. They realize that because of
10:19rules of engagement, if they're out
10:21walking with a uniform, a vest, and a
10:22weapon, they're going to get shot. Um
10:24but if they're, you know, at the other
10:26extreme walking around in civilian
10:27clothing with nothing visible on them,
10:29they're not going to get shot most of
10:30the time. So, like uh what a lot of them
10:32have started doing is they leave their
10:34rifles in a stash somewhere. Um and then
10:37they walk around with just grenades in
10:38their pockets cuz you can still do
10:39something with a grenade. Um and, you
10:41know, if if you're looking from a UAV or
10:43from a helicopter or from a drone,
10:45you're not going to spot a grenade in
10:46someone's pocket. So, some of these guys
10:48gets in end up in some house and all
10:50they have with them is grenades. Yeah.
10:52Uh that's throwing the baseball at them,
10:53right?
10:53Yeah, exactly. Yeah, good times. Now, in
10:55terms of your drones, are you guys
10:56implementing thermal drones at all?
10:58Yeah, yeah, for sure. We have thermal
11:00drones.
11:01Um
11:01Uh I don't think I can say at what at
11:03what level and how many and how we use
11:05them exactly, but we have thermal
11:06everything. I have some interesting
11:08stuff after, but um we yeah, we have a
11:10lot of thermals. Thermals are one of the
11:11big changes in this war, for sure.
11:13Implementation for marksmen, for
11:15snipers, um and just for general general
11:18use. Uh cuz tanks have always had them
11:20in the IDF for for a long time. Uh but
11:22it's nice to have, you know,
11:24being able to cross-identify and have a
11:26tank say, "I see something." and look at
11:28it with other thermals and you
11:29understand what you're talking about. Um
11:31and yeah, having being able to look from
11:33above with thermals is it's super
11:34critical. Now, we've talked a lot about
11:36drones on your side. Um
11:38what are you guys seeing in terms of
11:40drones from the enemy side?
11:43I mean, did you see any on the 7th of
11:44October? Uh I personally didn't. Yeah, I
11:47mean, we there there are videos from 7th
11:48of October of them taking out um them
11:50taking out uh tanks with uh drone drop
11:53munitions that had their open hatches.
11:54They weren't They basically ready for
11:56it. FPV drones attacking like comms
11:58towers and stuff like that. Um Let's
12:00slow down for a second. Let's talk both
12:01those really quickly. So, there's two
12:03types of drones. If you've seen the
12:04Ukraine video, you're you're going to be
12:06familiar with this, but you have your
12:07typical like DJI drone, big old
12:09quadcopter copter, and they can have
12:10little fishing lure attachments to drop
12:13fishing lures. But in this case, it's a
12:15grenade or a munition of some type like
12:16a mortar round that will impact that
12:18will explode on impact. Um
12:21then you have the FPVs. Those are
12:22basically racing drones. Uh they're
12:24flown from the first person. Those are
12:26used uh with a munition attached to
12:28suicide into something, whether it be a
12:29human being or some type of vehicle.
12:31Yeah. Sorry about that. I just wanted to
12:33make sure they understood.
12:33yeah, for sure. And like um and then so
12:35there's there's a third type that they
12:36use, which is just reconnaissance
12:38drones. Hm, okay.
12:39Um and those those are those are
12:40probably the the ones they use the most,
12:42I think. Yeah. Um also because if you
12:44see a a drone with something dangling
12:45from it, we're not currently doing that
12:47really much. So, if you see a drone like
12:49that, it's very clear that it's an enemy
12:51drone and it's going to get shot down
12:52within seconds.
12:54Um either by like someone with a smart
12:56shooter on his gun or um just some good
12:59marksman. We have We do have drone
13:00jamming stuff, but we also have like a a
13:03bit of a proliferation of uh smart
13:05shooters. You know those? I'm not
13:06familiar with those. Please tell me
13:07about them.
13:07It's um it's basically a sight It's a
13:10It's a sight called the smart shooter.
13:12It's an Israeli startup and it's
13:13connected to
13:15a unit within the the handle over here
13:17and then there's basically something
13:19that a pin that blocks the trigger. So,
13:20if you have it on uh smart shooter mode,
13:22you can use it regularly as a regular
13:24AR-15 and or you can make it so that it
13:26locks onto a target and then you squeeze
13:27the trigger and it lets it fire when
13:29it's at optimal
13:30am familiar with that. Yeah, so it can
13:32track targets.
13:32So, those are great for drones. Yeah. It
13:34It can track a drone? Yeah. It can track
13:35a drone, shoot it out of the sky 100 m
13:38easily. Uh farther than that, it gets a
13:40little bit sketchy, but it's still
13:41doable. And you can shoot out cameras
13:42and stuff like that really easily. Now,
13:44do you guys have any tactics as far as
13:46when you see drones overhead, if you're
13:48unsure if they're friendly or or or
13:50enemy, what do you what do you typically
13:51do?
13:52you're going to take cover. Um you're
13:53going to take cover, for sure. Uh and
13:55you're going to try to figure out You're
13:56going to say You're just going to ask
13:58like, "What What is that drone?"
13:59Uh and then someone someone's going to
14:01get on the radio, figure out, say, "Who
14:02has a drone up?" Someone's going to say,
14:03"I have a drone up." And then you're
14:04going to say
14:05um "A funtakine." which means uh um good
14:08drone, basically. And then everyone's
14:10going to yell it and everyone's going to
14:11know. Yeah. Although, you know, you
14:13don't wait You don't wait around.
14:15If they take too long getting that
14:16answer back to you, that drone's going
14:17down and it's Have you guys ever shot a
14:19friendly drone?
14:19Oh, yeah.
14:20I haven't, but uh someone someone in my
14:22uh in my company did. We were We were
14:24all so proud of him. He was like No,
14:26yeah, he shot a drone that belonged to a
14:28different company and we like have a
14:29rivalry with them. So, we were like,
14:31"Yeah, the Messiah. Yeah, good job.
14:33You did it." We like We called him like
14:35drone hunter and stuff. This seems to be
14:37a problem with the Ukrainians as well,
14:39where it's hard to identify whose drones
14:41are who. Yeah. There's just not a good
14:43method of that currently. So, I can see
14:45that's still a problem. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
14:48Yeah. It's not worth the risk. Now, are
14:50you still seeing those drones this late
14:52in the war from the enemy or is it kind
14:54of slowed down much? It's a lot fewer.
14:56We've did We've denied them a lot of the
14:57places where their drone operators can
14:59operate a drone from, basically. Um as
15:02far as enough good fortified buildings,
15:03buildings that are close to their
15:04tunnels. And it's kind of a very
15:06high-risk, low-reward activity to leave
15:08the safety of a tunnel to go and
15:10position yourself in a spot where you
15:12have a direct air like a direct line of
15:14sight to the drone.
15:16Which means you're either going to be in
15:17a window or you're going to be out in
15:17the open just so that you can get
15:19reconnaissance on a drone. It would have
15:20to be part of a much bigger attack and
15:21just does There's not a lot of ROI on
15:23it, you know? Now, when it comes to
15:25tunnels, you guys have talked about that
15:26a few times. We're not talking about the
15:28tunnels in New York from those other
15:29Jews. I'm just with you.
15:31How are you guys dealing with those? How
15:32are those typically assaulted? How are
15:34those taken care of? What What are you
15:36doing with those?
15:37I mean, um
15:38there's a lot of stuff you can you can
15:40do with them like on the immediate level
15:41and in the the the dealing with them to
15:44a on a deeper level, which we can't talk
15:46about for sure. That'll definitely get
15:48censored. But on an immediate level,
15:50it's basically just adds like when
15:51you're in urban combat, you know, you
15:52have the stuff that's on your eyesight
15:53and then you have all the below. So, now
15:55you also have the below, basically.
15:56Yeah. So, on one hand, you're you're
15:58basically
16:00expecting people to pop out not just
16:01from behind corners and around doors.
16:03People could come out literally from a
16:05tunnel cuz they could pop their head up.
16:06Um when you're inside a tunnel, I guess
16:08it's probably pretty disorienting to
16:09know what's going on above you. Sure.
16:11So, sometimes people can pop up and not
16:13and take a while to orient themselves.
16:15Um
16:16but basically, you're looking for
16:17suspicious things and there's a lot of
16:19things that look like tunnels in Gaza.
16:21Uh there's really bad sewage
16:22infrastructure. So, a lot of them just
16:23dig sewage drainage pits outside of
16:26their houses and then cover them,
16:27obviously, cuz you don't want your kids
16:28falling into a pit of of sewage.
16:30Yeah. So, they cover them with a piece
16:31of wood and then sometimes some trash
16:33just cuz they're Arabs and they like
16:34making piles of trash.
16:35So, then you get to that and you say,
16:36"Oh, Is this a tunnel?" You start
16:38like You put a take a grappling hook.
16:40You start pulling stuff away. You're
16:42like, "Oh my god, it's got a wooden
16:43cover." You're like, "Oh my god, wooden
16:45cover." You get the drone and you like
16:47pull that off and you throw in a grenade
16:50and then you send in a drone to look and
16:51they're like, "Yeah, it's just full of
16:52shit." And that's the Sometimes the
16:54drone loses connection and falls in the
16:56but that's uh So, you are sending
16:58drones in the tunnels, then? In a
16:59limited sense because um the connection
17:02capabilities. And there are drones that
17:04are better suited for that. Um but yeah,
17:07I'm not sure. In my unit, we don't have
17:09much and we probably can't talk about
17:10that.
17:10Yep. I I I understand fully. As an
17:12infantryman, like for us, we're
17:14basically just finding the tunnels
17:16and making sure no one's coming out of
17:18the tunnel. And the most we're going to
17:20do is throw a couple grenades down there
17:21or something.
17:22Um
17:23and then we're going to leave it to uh
17:24professionals to take care of that.
17:26Until until a tunnel is taken care of
17:29and and the special forces units that
17:31deal with that kind of sensitive thing,
17:33infantry's just going to be like we have
17:35said, pointing their rifles at the at
17:38the threat. Um Maybe taking selfies.
17:41Yeah, taking selfies. Let's talk a
17:43little bit about how you guys are
17:44reacting to contact. What are the
17:45typical engagement distances you guys
17:47are seeing? How are you putting down
17:49fire superiority? How does it work with
17:51the IDF or with your teams in
17:53particular?
17:56Um so, in general, once once contacted,
17:59an entire team will search for cover or
18:01just get down and return fire.
18:03Generally, we're seeing we're getting
18:05contacted from pretty far ranges. Uh
18:07what would you say like in meters? We're
18:09talking
18:11talking like
18:12100 like above 150 usually is what is
18:15what we're dealing with.
18:16from shooting from afar, snipers. RPGs,
18:19they tend to get pretty close. Those
18:21Those Those Those guys like to getting
18:23close so that they can be accurate.
18:2550 under the hundreds. No, we had an
18:27Yeah, I mean, they they do that a lot,
18:28which is difficult for tanks to deal
18:29with, but like for the trophy system to
18:31deal with and stuff for really close
18:33shots, but they also they shot at a tank
18:35that was right outside of our building,
18:37hit it with an RPG from I think like 200
18:39m or something. It was like a really far
18:40shot and they I think part of that is
18:43cuz they realize that once we get up to
18:44where they are, there's going to be like
18:46an overwhelming amount of fire on them.
18:48So, they kind of want to
18:50shoot and then get out of there.
18:52When you say sniper fire, are you
18:53talking from AKMs or or specialized
18:56weapon systems? Um when I say sniper
18:58fire,
18:59they're they're using M24s. Um
19:03Interesting. And some Dragonovs, also.
19:07generally, it's been M24s what I've
19:09seen. Yeah, we haven't had seen a lot of
19:11snipers. Um which is strange cuz you'd
19:13think that they'd be very prolific in an
19:15urban scenario like that, but You really
19:17would.
19:17Just a lot of just pot shots from from
19:19AKs and stuff.
19:21Um a lot of the times, if you're engaged
19:23from far away, sometimes there's not
19:25even anything you will do about it. You
19:26kind of get cover. So, then it's kind of
19:28like a reminder, "I should probably not
19:29be like sticking my head out." Yeah.
19:31Like if you're engaged from really far
19:33away, if there's just bullets coming
19:34over your head, you're going to try to
19:35figure out, you know, use the tools you
19:37have to figure out if who's shooting
19:38you, if it's friendly, if it's not
19:40friendly, and then have someone do
19:41something about it, but it might not be
19:43in your area. Like if I'm being shot at
19:45from 300 m away and that's a direction
19:48of fire that I'm definitely close to
19:50because there's a friendly unit over
19:51there. So, we're just going to tell them
19:53and they're going to deal with it.
19:53They're probably already dealing with
19:54it, you know? So, like um
19:57but definitely, yeah, get get some
19:58cover. Um figure out what's going on.
20:00Make sure that all the all your angles
20:02are covered. Cuz sometimes they'll try
20:03to uh give you some fire to keep you
20:05down and then they're going to send out
20:06an attack. Uh
20:08or they're going to wait for you to come
20:09into the attack. So. How has it been for
20:10you as far as recognizing when the shots
20:12are coming towards you or whether the
20:13shots are just the general background of
20:16what's going on? Like recognizing the
20:18chatter of different weapons, right?
20:19So, once you once you've spent some
20:21time, like I have to say when I first
20:22went into Gaza, I I didn't really know
20:25that I I knew that different calibers
20:27have different sounds.
20:28But uh once you're living it day-to-day
20:30and you're hearing the the gunfire of
20:32the tanks and
20:34uh and the Apaches and uh you you just
20:37get to know that every every gun has its
20:39own voice. And uh the AK-47 is just it's
20:43you can you can spot it in in just a
20:45fire of an array of weapons, you'll hear
20:47that crack. You'll be like, that's enemy
20:49fire. And uh if it's not in your uh
20:52quadrant, then you're going to you're
20:53going to get on the comms and you're
20:55going to you're going to let the
20:56relevant uh battalion know. Yeah,
20:59although in in urban warfare it can can
21:00get really confusing with all the echoes
21:02off buildings. Yeah. It's kind of hard
21:04to to hear, you know, who's shooting and
21:05from where. And very often you're kind
21:07of just aware that a firefight or
21:09something is happening somewhere. Cuz
21:11you hear a lot of fire coming from one
21:13area. You try to kind of figure out
21:15what's going on and then maybe you might
21:16see like the 669 rescue helicopters
21:18coming in and then you know we have
21:19injured people. Um or you know, you'll
21:23just hear something interesting about it
21:24on the radio. Then you have um Did you
21:26guys have a radio station? We had like
21:28Radio Halal. You have that?
21:30Yeah, yeah, we were we were hardcore on
21:32the
21:32shouldn't blur the name of it,
21:33basically.
21:33Whenever you're on guard duty, you just
21:34got this little mini radio next to you.
21:36No, no, I'm talking about something
21:37else. Talking about We had basically
21:39like everyone wants to know what's going
21:41on all the time, right? So, we ended up
21:42just having a uh
21:44once a day at like 8:30 p.m. or 9:00
21:46p.m. like uh on one of the radios like
21:48on one of the radio bands and with
21:50someone just just gave the news for the
21:51whole day. Oh, interesting.
21:53Like we found these terrorists and
21:55killed them, this guy got injured, we
21:56found a tunnel here, we found this, we
21:58had found this. And everyone's just
21:59listening to it, they're like, oh,
22:01yeah. Yeah, so we had a guy on the
22:02radio. Yeah, Radio Halal. So, we had a
22:04guy who would uh who would also give the
22:07give the sports news for soccer for all
22:09the Israelis. And he would just right
22:11after he goes after the day's updates of
22:13what actually is relevant, you know,
22:15tactically.
22:16Um he just starts he starts going he
22:18also did like updates on celebrities.
22:20Oh, uh what's uh Eden Ben Zaken doing,
22:23you know, uh
22:24Nobody Nobody cares about soccer.
22:27Except for the rest of the world.
22:28Yeah, except
22:29Except for the rest of the world. Are
22:30you into soccer now that you've been in
22:31Israel for a while?
22:32a about
22:33Absolutely not. There we go. Do you guys
22:34still like American football? I don't
22:36care about American football. I don't
22:37really follow sports now.
22:38A little bit of MMA or like that stuff.
22:40That's fair.
22:41That's fair. Cool.
22:46Gentlemen, so we have our kit set up on
22:47the ground. Right here I have a Crye
22:48JPC. This is a pretty close setup to
22:51what I ran in the US military.
22:52Obviously, my job was way different. My
22:54level training was different. Everything
22:55was different. Your carriers are
22:56different in terms of camouflage, in
22:58terms of what you have on it,
23:00everything. So, let's talk a little bit
23:02about your kit setups. Let's go ahead
23:03and start with you and talk about the
23:05hows and whys. People want to know why
23:07your kit is set up. You've been fighting
23:08for a while. You still probably still
23:09got dust on that thing.
23:11Same here.
23:12All right. All right, so I'm running a
23:13Agilite K0. Uh running level four armor,
23:17side plates.
23:18Um
23:20As far as ammunition, uh I usually run
23:22around uh about six to to eight mags.
23:26Um I'll run a double mag in the in the
23:28weapon, uh
23:29another mag on my battle belt, and three
23:31mags here, and then a couple more in my
23:33uh my battle pack. Uh medical gear. So,
23:35medical gear. Uh I'm running two
23:37tourniquets usually, one over here, and
23:40I'll usually keep another one either
23:41here or in my uh pack.
23:43Um and then over here I have a personal
23:45bandage.
23:47And on my battle belt, so I'm running a
23:49personal
23:50first aid kit over here. It's got uh
23:53combat gauze and uh some basic just
23:55basic stuff. And then finally, I got
23:57these scissors for cutting through uh
23:59uniforms and vests and whatnot. Next,
24:01ammunition. Lastly, I have
24:03I have two 9 mm mags over here. Okay?
24:06And then I have my personal sidearm.
24:07What are you typically carrying? Um
24:09typically carrying a Glock 19. Nice.
24:12All right. Weapon light, optic? Yeah,
24:14both.
24:14Both times. Mhm. Over here we got
24:16multi-tool. It's a must-have. Uh it's an
24:19SOG. I use it usually to like cut wires,
24:21fences, uh helps me out sometimes when
24:24I'm when I'm busting into a building or
24:26or uh trying to just get through an
24:28area. On that note, as far as breaching
24:30and stuff like that, I'm usually running
24:31also a cutter in back in my battle pack.
24:34Do you mean like a bolt cutter?
24:35Yeah, bolt cutter, yeah.
24:37Front, we got here
24:39we got here red light.
24:41Um this is this is mostly stuff that I'm
24:42going to use like inside a building once
24:44we've once we've uh taken it over. I got
24:46some stick lights in here. So, you're
24:47going to use them to basically mark
24:50hazards or anything that needs to be
24:52marked. It's useful also for
24:54miscellaneous things like say we have
24:56like a detonation cord set up and we
24:58don't want guys to step on it. Mhm. Um
25:00so, we'll like cut this and we'll just
25:02drizzle a little bit of that glowing
25:03liquid on it and then
25:05the team leader will explain to the team
25:07that Do you use different colors for
25:08different things? I understand the
25:10tactics, techniques, and procedures um
25:12between different units or militaries
25:14are going to differ heavily, so that's
25:15fine. Just understand that
25:16Yeah. 10-6 are important. Yeah, some
25:18stuff we can't say about color marking.
25:20I understand. I understand. Yeah. And
25:23finally, in here, I always carry some
25:24kind of pen or uh or a marker. It's
25:27first and foremost for drawing pictures
25:30of uh your teammates on the wall and
25:31your commanders. It's also very useful
25:33for just you're going to write Usually
25:34you spray paint, but if you don't have
25:35spray paint, you can also use a marker
25:37and just start writing
25:38uh different directions uh so that you
25:40know
25:41you know, where your where your friends
25:42are and where the enemies are. I'm
25:43usually carrying two frags on me. As one
25:45of the as lead marksman, I was actually
25:47running six frags at one point. I put
25:49two on my battle belt and I put two over
25:51here and I put two more pouches up here.
25:53Uh so, I was actually running six. Uh
25:55but two is two is the basic. So, this is
25:57a new addition to my pack
25:58to my uh plate carrier. In Gaza, I found
26:01that running around with my usual pack,
26:03I just was kind of like kind of like a
26:04turtle. And like when I was opening
26:06doors, I was getting stuck with uh with
26:08my battle buddy.
26:09So, I ended up just not taking a pack
26:10with me. So, this guy's great because
26:12it's very minimalist and it's just it's
26:14just uh carrying the hydration bladder
26:16and very basic things. I'll usually have
26:18a smoke on me as well, which I'll stick
26:19up front. As far as additional gear in
26:21the pack,
26:23this is uh this is something that uh
26:26that we use in my team,
26:27which we basically keep our batteries in
26:29here. Spare spare batteries for each
26:30kind of night vision, flashlights, PEC,
26:33uh optics. We'll throw in like these
26:35little things that um that absorb the
26:36moisture. Another thing that I usually
26:38run up front is uh is it just two spare
26:41batteries for immediate optics or or
26:43nods. Nods and uh thermal. So, when I
26:46have those
26:47um and it's daytime, I'm usually going
26:48to keep them in my pack. And then um for
26:51context for everybody, you are getting
26:52resupplies fairly regularly, every two
26:54days at minimum, correct? Yeah. Okay.
26:57Yeah, it's usually every day, but um
26:59happens sometimes it's more than
27:00that. Sure. And then you're you have a a
27:02kind of a
27:03not to delve too much into it, but
27:05you're essentially operating out of a
27:06FOB, like a forward operating base to
27:08some extent, correct? Um usually it's
27:10it's it's ever-changing. At a certain
27:13point though, you're going to stop and
27:13it's going to turn into a FOB, yeah.
27:15Yep, okay. Uh we got a lighter here.
27:17Uh and that is for lighting up uh
27:19hookahs and uh cigarettes.
27:21Over here, we got
27:23uh we had a carabiner, which uh
27:24honestly, it started out as a logistic
27:26thing, just you know, bus filled with
27:28gear of uh of an entire platoon. Put
27:31your uh helmet on there, knee pads,
27:33anything that has a string, just connect
27:35it all there and you have one piece, you
27:36just carry it around. Also, like in the
27:37event you have like a guy gets injured,
27:39you just connect all his to that
27:41one thing and then it's all one piece.
27:42Got you. Well, thank you. Lev, go ahead.
27:44Yeah. Let's get right into it. So,
27:47over here I'm also running a K0. I have
27:49mine set up for a machine machine gun,
27:50specifically for the Negev light machine
27:51gun. Now, right here I have a SAW.
27:54Unfortunately, it's just uh
27:56Don't even start it. Don't even start
27:58it.
27:58do it for me. I am not feeling the itch.
27:59I'm not feeling anything, you know, down
28:01below. But
28:03Is it cold in there? Yeah.
28:04Exactly. I need to form a bond. Um so,
28:07basically over here, I got two drum
28:09pouches that I like basically sewed for
28:11myself and just made them for the Negev
28:13pouches. Then when I got there, uh they
28:15gave me a different kind of Negev drum,
28:16like a newer one that didn't fit. So, I
28:18had to like kind of stitch them together
28:20and make some changes to them. But
28:22basically, so K0, I'm running obviously
28:24also level four plates in here. Um if we
28:27start at the front and move our way
28:28around, I guess. So, you have
28:31I just added a MOLLE surface on the
28:32front. I keep one frag grenade right
28:33here. Another frag grenade I keep on my
28:35belt back here. I'll show you in a sec.
28:37Over here I have a tourniquet right
28:39there in the front. I like it right here
28:40because it's super obvious to anyone
28:42else where it is on me. Um they don't
28:44need to look for it anywhere.
28:46Uh and it's just right there right in
28:47the front and it's impossible to miss if
28:48I'm lying on my back or on my side or
28:50something. Over here I have another
28:51tourniquet on the dangler below. Here I
28:54have just a general purpose uh pouch.
28:57Inside here I got a bunch of goodies. I
28:58have a brush for cleaning dust off my
29:01gun cuz you basically whenever you're
29:02stopped, it's just a great opportunity
29:04to sit down and just start like dusting
29:06it off, getting into those nooks and
29:07crannies. That's some professional
29:09soldier and right there.
29:10Exactly. And obviously, I always saw off
29:12my toothbrushes, also the ones for my
29:13teeth. Just uh you know,
29:16makes them easier to put in your
29:17pockets. Sometimes I keep a toothbrush
29:19in my front pocket. Um
29:21makes it a little easier. Over here, I
29:23have uh
29:25also headlamp with a red function. Super
29:27important with a headlamp is to have a
29:28headlamp that you can immediately go to
29:30red with. Some people bought headlamps
29:32that you have to click through white to
29:33get to the red, which is just stupid.
29:35It's extremely stupid and
29:36unprofessional. Good to have a good one.
29:38I like the Petzl Tikka ones. I have like
29:41uh one for backpacking and one for
29:42tactical stuff. Keep them separate. I
29:45have over here a Rite in the rain
29:46notebook, um
29:48that I write down military secrets about
29:50the IDF that I sell online and post to
29:51War Thunder on.
29:53I have a
29:57I have a Laffy Taffy blue flavor. I
29:59highly recommend the blue flavor. I have
30:01a pen and I have my multi-tool in here
30:03right now, although usually I end up
30:05rocking my multi-tool over here in my
30:07front pocket. I used to have it mounted
30:08on my belt and then I realized too often
30:10I'd like to take off my belt and hang it
30:11up somewhere and I just need a
30:12multi-tool. So I started just keeping it
30:14over here. Uh I usually keep more
30:16batteries in here also and I have this
30:19bad boy. So in addition to the
30:20multi-tool, I like to carry a bicycle
30:22multi-tool because these are basically
30:23just based around common fasteners like
30:26torques and Allen keys that you don't
30:27always have on a multi-tool.
30:29And um you always need those. Obviously
30:33tightening down optics mounts and like
30:35night vision and stuff.
30:36Um and I have over here a letter from my
30:38wife cuz we were getting mail basically
30:40in in and out back and forth. So it's
30:42nice to have have that so you can sit
30:44around and read it every once in a
30:45while. So over here, another tourniquet.
30:47I have the dangler up here in the front.
30:49It's all batteries basically.
30:51Um so if I have loose batteries, what I
30:54do is I tape them around like that with
30:55electrical tape just to make sure that
30:57the uh the ends aren't going to be
30:59touching other batteries and
31:00discharging. Um
31:03and I have just like some random I
31:05have some like really heavy duty needles
31:06and wax thread. This has gotten a bit
31:09dirty by now. Should be rewound up or
31:10something. But that's just thread that's
31:12you can fix anything with basically.
31:14It's almost like a zip tie and how
31:15strong it is. I have a little bit of one
31:16wrap just wrapped up
31:19um which is great for either for
31:20yourself or if you see some idiot with
31:22all his like straps messed up and you're
31:23like just put him out of his misery. So
31:25over here I have a lighter. I got uh
31:28quick clot. I got um combat gauze and I
31:32usually have some uh Israeli bandages in
31:34here that seem to have disappeared.
31:36Um so yeah. It's funny we've always
31:38carried Israeli bandages but for some
31:40reason it's very ironic Israelis kill
31:42carrying Israeli bandages. I don't know
31:44why. Yeah, it's like I mean it's like
31:45the the basic like from basic training
31:47basically that was the the basic
31:49individual like that's the basic IFAK is
31:51you have an Israeli bandage and a
31:52tourniquet all the time.
31:53it bandages already in Israel?
31:54They call it personal bandage. Ta uh
31:56takhboshet ishit. So over here I got the
31:58drum pouches. Over here on the left I'm
31:59running a knife. This is a Benchmade uh
32:02Nimravus I think.
32:04Um
32:04great knife. Uh honestly it's just so
32:07handy having a fixed blade because with
32:09a fixed blade you can cut anything with
32:11it. It gets dirty just wash it off. It's
32:13not like a folder where it gets in
32:14there. And obviously it's right here in
32:16a defensive posture over here on the
32:17plate carrier. Super easy to pull out.
32:20Um and you're just always cutting
32:21something. If you're like going through
32:22a greenhouse you have to cut through
32:24through uh cloth or if you're
32:26Honestly you can even cut cuz it's
32:27serrated you can really easily cut
32:29through like electrical cables and stuff
32:30if you need them to tie stuff up. Um
32:33and over here got a picture on the
32:36front. Uh Polaroid picture of my wife
32:39and dog. Wife dog. Um and
32:42that's nice and it's also a great place
32:44to keep
32:45rolled cigarettes before you're ready to
32:47smoke them. Don't tell my wife that.
32:49Um over here in the
32:50It's very it's very much too late for
32:52that.
32:52Too late for that, yeah. Um
32:54who knows maybe she won't see this.
32:56Uh drum pouches, side plate carriers
32:59and over here on the back I just put um
33:02you know this is like our unit patch.
33:03We're the patrol unit within the the uh
33:06company and I just put my last name cuz
33:08a lot of people have the same plate
33:09carrier so it makes it a little easier
33:10to find it. Um
33:12Always mark your gear. Yeah, exactly.
33:14Over here in the front I also have a
33:16pair of scissors. These are honestly
33:17like in addition to just the actual
33:19first aid aspect of them they're just so
33:21useful all the time. Use them for just
33:23everything. Like half the time instead
33:25of pulling out a knife we'll just pull
33:26out a pair of scissors. So
33:28if I move over to the belt
33:31Dick strap deactivated. All right. So
33:34over here I got another tourniquet so
33:35that's the third tourniquet basically.
33:37Um here I have a homemade holster for my
33:40gun. This is this is the same gun but
33:43not the same setup. So this is a MP 2.0
33:45compact and I also run it with a 17
33:48round magazine when it's over here and I
33:51have a Holosun optic on it and I have a
33:53TLR-7A on the front cuz this is also my
33:57uh EDC gun that I appendix carry all the
33:59pistols are personally procured,
34:00correct?
34:00Exactly. They're all personal personal
34:02handguns.
34:03Um which kind of makes it's kind of
34:05interesting thing about the handgun
34:06market in it in Israel which is that
34:07it's kind of middle of the line.
34:09Everyone's running compact handguns
34:10because you want it to be small enough
34:11to carry it but big enough that you can
34:12use it uh and shoot it comfortably. So
34:16that's that. Over here
34:18single frag pouch and then this is empty
34:20right now but this is usually has about
34:22110 or 120 rounds uh like loose rounds
34:25of uh of ammo for the SAW
34:28uh which I can just whip out uh in an
34:30emergency and load in or I can use it to
34:32fill up one of my drums when I empty it.
34:34Over here in the front
34:36canted pistol mag
34:38right there. Um I I I started out the
34:42war with two uh vertical ones.
34:45Uh one for the pistol, one for the the
34:46multi-tool and I just found out that I
34:48was sitting so much on the ground that
34:50it just really digs into digs into your
34:52hips, starts cutting off your your
34:54nerves. Um so I I switched to a canted
34:57one like that on the side. And over here
34:58I got uh mechanics gloves, the
35:00fingerless Agile Ones. Um these are
35:02great. You can really you really need
35:04gloves in urban combat.
35:06Um
35:07everything is disgusting that you're
35:08touching. It's either disgusting or it's
35:10or it's dangerous and sharp or it's just
35:12really dirty. So having gloves is super
35:14useful.
35:15And
35:17yeah, that's my setup. Let's move over
35:18to the helmet real quick. So my helmet
35:22uh
35:22this is not my helmet. My helmet is an
35:24Armasource.
35:25Um I don't have a light on the side
35:27although this is actually really sick
35:28and I I might start doing this. It's
35:30really nice.
35:30Thank you. Yeah.
35:32I have the Core Survival strobe on mine
35:34as well. Uh in the back I sometimes keep
35:37um
35:37like every once in a while I'll keep uh
35:39some spare batteries in here or
35:40something. I don't have a counterweight
35:42per se but I I have used like a box of
35:445.56 ammo before as a counterweight
35:47which helps me carry ammo also for my uh
35:49battle buddy who's a marksman. Now um
35:52this one is Peltors but I'm rocking the
35:54uh Ops-Core Ops-Core Amps.
35:56Love them to death and then yeah I have
35:58a mount on the front for my uh binos
36:01and during the day what I'll usually do
36:02is I'll
36:04I'll open up my assault pack. My assault
36:06pack by the way Hill People Gear Terra
36:07Houmera. So good. Great pack. I've got
36:10this cuz I used to do a lot of mountain
36:11biking. Um so basically what I have over
36:14here in my assault pack is another drum
36:16and then I have this case that uh some
36:19trij like Trijicon optic or something
36:20came in and what I do with this case is
36:22I keep my night vision in here so it's
36:24like super protected and then during the
36:26uh at night I will take out my night
36:28vision and I'll put my GoPro into here
36:29with my dark glasses and just keep those
36:32glasses 100% protected from the
36:34elements. In here I also have a single
36:37uh like usually one or two. Right now I
36:39have one uh tan sandbag. This is like a
36:42multi-purpose thing. Obviously if you
36:43need to entrench in like in a hurry that
36:45you weren't planning on it, it's good to
36:47have everyone carrying sandbags. But
36:48mostly what we do is if we're searching
36:50houses looking for intelligence stuff,
36:51looking for like maps, radios, uh IDs,
36:54papers, whatever. So for each house
36:57we'll put that stuff in one of these
36:58bags and then write the house number on
37:00the bag and then tie it up with a zip
37:02tie and then we can give that to
37:03intelligence officers and it's super
37:04organized for them and then they like
37:06us. Um
37:08I have a a Platypus 2 L
37:11water bottle. These are great. Uh this
37:13isn't always in my assault pack but if I
37:15do want to carry extra water here I'll
37:16do it in here. I got a marker and
37:20like you said, got to write north,
37:21south, east, west and everything in all
37:23the doors. With charger cable for my
37:25thermal. Thermal isn't here I didn't
37:27bring it but I just have a little
37:28handheld uh AGM thermal
37:31and this is usually full of snacks which
37:33is super important. Yeah. What's the
37:35best snack to bring?
37:37Um
37:37Beef jerky? Beef jerky is great. Uh
37:40Snickers.
37:41like some weird Hebrew word or something
37:43like that.
37:43Just a just a pocket full of hummus. You
37:45know, fill up the pocket and you get
37:47just reach in and get a handful.
37:48squeeze it out. I like to I I like to
37:50fill up a hydration bladder with uh
37:52tahini. Yeah. Tahini.
37:54Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's my setup
37:57basically. Yeah.
37:59Awesome. Uh gentlemen I also want to
38:00note that all of your gear is green. So
38:03this is uh standardized across IDF. This
38:05is for friendly force identification,
38:07correct?
38:08That's correct. Yeah, it's super
38:10important. Can I talk about that for a
38:10sec?
38:11Please. So basically um this is what
38:13always an issue we're running into in
38:14the reserves where somebody will instead
38:16of using their like issued green jacket
38:18they'll say like well I have this
38:20wonderful black jacket at home. I have
38:21like a North Face jacket or something.
38:23Show up with that and then you have this
38:24bad situation where you know someone
38:26someone else like maybe a tank is
38:28looking through his night vision sights
38:29or something just sees a guy running
38:30around with a plate carrier and black
38:32jacket when we're all supposed to be
38:33wearing green. So it's super dangerous.
38:35Um super important to stay standardized
38:37with the colors
38:38um even if it means you can't have your
38:40your swag jacket. Yeah. You know there's
38:42different ways of doing friendly force
38:43identification. Ukraine we saw a lot of
38:45tape um with the IDF it's all just
38:48ranger green across across the board.
38:50Yeah. Yeah. Pretty simple. Discipline.
38:52Keeping your helmet on at all times.
38:54What Do you guys wear the the chef's
38:56hat?
38:57I hate it. It gets stuck on so much
38:58stuff when you're going through a
38:59doorway.
39:00So that that thing's you know it's
39:02supposed to be used for open warfare you
39:03know like
39:04open field stuff. So in urban warfare
39:06there's a a lot of people take them off.
39:08Yeah. Makes sense. Makes sense.
39:10really doing you any favors. For sure.
39:11All right gentlemen well we've gone
39:12through all of our gear. Let's go ahead
39:14and get into our first topic which is
39:15going to be basic urban movement.
39:21So right here we're going to be talking
39:22about basic urban combat movement. Uh
39:25gentlemen I know you have a lot to talk
39:26about here so please take it away.
39:29All right.
39:30Um so
39:32uh our positions in in our teams are
39:34lead machine gunners and lead marksmen.
39:36What that means is that we lead the the
39:38movement of uh the team and sometimes
39:41more than that. Sometimes the company.
39:42Part of the job description is just
39:43looking out for all possible threats,
39:46whether it's suspicious things on the
39:48ground, some bombs, booby traps,
39:51landmines. You know, you're also looking
39:52at the at the windows in an urban
39:55environment, you know, you have
39:56buildings on the on all sides. So, we
39:58kind of split it up. Like if he's going
40:00to be on the left, I'm going to be on
40:01the right. So, we divide the work
40:02between us. He's watching top right, I'm
40:04watching top left, and also both
40:06watching the forward advancement of our
40:08team. In terms Go ahead, Buff.
40:11Oh, sorry. I was just going to say that
40:12also anytime we stop for a second, say
40:13we get to like a corner of a building
40:15and we're not moving forward yet. So,
40:17we'll we'll usually in between us, at
40:19least with my battle buddy, what we
40:20would do is we'd create a common
40:22language basically. We'll say like,
40:23"That's the big house. That's this.
40:24That's this. You're going to take from
40:26the left of this. I'm going to take from
40:27the right of this for now. Or I'll take
40:29the bottom, like the first floor of
40:30these two houses, and you take the
40:31second floor of these two houses."
40:33Dividing it up between us.
40:35Um it's critical. Just we're two guys,
40:37we can we can cover more ground. So,
40:39dividing the work between us is
40:41is a good way to go. And passing that on
40:43when the next people come and switch us
40:44out if we're moving like that. So, just
40:46as soon as they come telling them,
40:47"Okay, you're looking at this this area.
40:48You're looking at this area." Um that's
40:50it. Always making sure that the cover
40:52stays constant. In terms of windows, you
40:54talk about watching those. What are some
40:55typical things you're watching for
40:57besides the obvious of a person being in
40:59a window? Are there any other indicators
41:00that there might be a threat that might
41:02be coming to that window? Um so, cameras
41:04is a good one. In general, just looking
41:06for a long object objects that are
41:08sticking out the window that could, you
41:10know, indicate an RPG or some kind of
41:12some kind of ambush. Do they do any of
41:14the veils similar to what we do? Like a
41:16few feet behind the window, the slanted
41:18veil at 45 to kind of catch light, kind
41:20of conceal things inside of it? They can
41:23get pretty creative. They I haven't seen
41:24that from them, but we like yeah.
41:27In general, you're you're always looking
41:28for something that's out of place. Yeah.
41:30Yeah. Um exactly. Also, if you if
41:32there's a neighborhood that's kind of
41:33been evacuated a couple weeks ago and
41:35then you see a house that suddenly has
41:38like
41:38uh there's like a hole in the wall
41:40that's been patched up or something. So,
41:41you kind of think like who patched that
41:42up? Like why who is here?
41:44Um
41:45Also, knowing your environment like, you
41:47know, after you've been there for a week
41:48or so, you know,
41:50in uh in Gaza for example, all the
41:52buildings are just, you know, bombed
41:54out. So, you all of a sudden you find a
41:55building uh you open a corner and you
41:58see a building that's untouched.
42:00That stands out and that's something
42:01that that you're going to keep an eye
42:03on. Yeah. Also, with within buildings,
42:05like uh I was in a couple buildings
42:06where you go in you're clearing rooms,
42:09get to a door, you see the door has
42:10already been kicked in before. And like
42:12if you're the first soldiers going to
42:14that room, that's obviously a little bit
42:15weird. You don't know if it's looters or
42:17if it's Hamas moving through houses
42:19looking for good emplacements. Um so,
42:21you always want to treat that carefully
42:23and just assume that someone else has
42:24been in that house recently. Uh
42:26gentlemen, now I know you guys this is
42:27pretty basic, but would you mind showing
42:29us some of your basic movement
42:30techniques, actually showing as lead
42:32marksman and lead gunner how that would
42:34look like for the audience as you're
42:35watching for street? Obviously,
42:37we are in the middle of Idaho. So, we're
42:40going to pretend there are buildings,
42:41but if you could do that for us. All
42:43right. So, let's just imagine that this
42:44right down here in the middle is a
42:45street. You have buildings on that side,
42:47buildings on that side, and then more
42:49dense buildings like a casbah, which is
42:51like a dense sort of marketplace over
42:53there. So, basically this is where we
42:54would not want to be. We would never be
42:55standing here in the middle of this. Um
42:58what we would probably do is have a tank
43:00come in here, maybe a D9 bulldozer come
43:02through first, clear the street looking
43:04for mines.
43:05Um and then we would be going through
43:06the houses on the side over there.
43:08Either literally going through the
43:10houses one at a time through the walls,
43:12or we'd be going around them and between
43:13them basically.
43:15So, let's kind of show that. Let's
43:16pretend like there's a row of houses
43:17over there. We'll just talk about how we
43:19work together as the lead machine gunner
43:20and lead uh designated marksman.
43:22Imagine this is basically a wall of
43:23buildings over here. Um so,
43:26uh Let's just say that we have a tank
43:29over here putting cover on this wall and
43:31you have people on the houses on the
43:32other side of the street on the same
43:33pace as us who are looking at these
43:35windows up here. So, we're going to be
43:36right up against the wall. We're going
43:37to be focusing forward and to the left
43:39basically, looking for targets, moving
43:41forward, and communicating with our
43:43platoon commander who's right behind us.
43:45Buff, do you have any spacing off the
43:46wall or are you guys right up against
43:47them?
43:48Uh it depends kind of it's kind of a
43:49balance on where you feel there's more
43:51danger coming from. Cuz I I'd probably
43:53rather be up against the wall than than
43:56to be, you know, more out in the street.
43:58Mhm. Um and also wherever you can, if
44:01you ever stop, get low, get as low as
44:03you can, look for stuff to get behind.
44:05Um so, basically if you want to move
44:07along there, I'll just follow you.
44:13We're moving along.
44:15You're looking forward, I'm looking
44:16there.
44:17The sides. Moving along and I can say,
44:19"Stop. Wait a second.
44:21Wait a second. See that over there?
44:23There's something weird about that.
44:25Vehicle parked next to it.
44:27Was that there earlier yesterday?
44:29Scanning it. All right. Cool. Check out
44:31the that. I'm going to talk to to
44:34the man man real quick. Uh
44:36Yo, there's a weird vehicle right over
44:37there. You see it? That one? We're
44:39sending the drone over there. We'll
44:40check it out.
44:41All right. He's sending the drone.
44:43Um want to You want to You want to move
44:45over?
44:46Want to move over deeper into there and
44:47get some better cover on the right over
44:49here? Let's do it. Yeah, you go first.
44:50You go first.
44:51Go ahead.
44:52All right.
44:54I'm coming.
44:56All right. Drop down here.
44:58You want to get right behind that little
44:59thing up there? Soon. Yeah, all right.
45:00Go ahead.
45:04All right. Drop low.
45:07Are you going over there? All right.
45:09Now, basically
45:10I'm going to a situation where we can
45:11now check out what's going on up there.
45:14We
45:14uh obviously our platoon platoon
45:15commander is going to take control of
45:17that. We're just assuming a kind of
45:18defensive position, but it's a little
45:20bit aggressive up here.
45:22So, we're in a position where we're
45:23controlling the threat over there. We're
45:25able to put down fire if we need to. And
45:27now in the back, they're going to bring
45:27up the drone. The drone guy is going to
45:29set up. We're in a good spot. Our
45:31platoon commander is going to talk on
45:32the radio, tell everyone else to wait
45:33for a second. We're checking something
45:34out. They can go and check it out. And
45:36then once it's checked out,
45:38we'll keep going basically. In terms of
45:40the dynamic between the marksman and the
45:42machine gunner,
45:43what do you Where is his scanning? Where
45:45is his kind of sectors of fire versus
45:47where are yours? It's a very organic
45:48thing. It's like
45:50It's very dynamic and it's also very
45:51organic cuz I've been working with my
45:53battle buddy in reserve duty for the
45:54last like 7, 8 years.
45:56Um so, we basically like we we know each
45:59other so well
46:00that we don't even have to have to talk
46:01about it most of the time. We'll just
46:02say like, "I'm over there that house.
46:04I'm on the left, you're on the right."
46:05And that's it. Um and it's also
46:08kind of you when when you walk for a
46:09long time with the point guys in the
46:11front and the platoon commander in
46:12between them in the back, you just kind
46:14of get a sense like a
46:15sixth sense of where he is behind you
46:18and everything and you work together
46:19very well.
46:20Um
46:22So, yeah. It's not like I wouldn't say
46:23it's a it's always this guy looking
46:24here, this guy looking here. It's very
46:26dynamic. Yeah. Absolutely. Uh gentlemen,
46:29well, let's get over to the uh to the
46:30rooms right here. Let's talk about
46:31coming across alleyways, coming across
46:33windows, and coming across rooms and
46:34going through those. So, before we enter
46:36a room, um
46:37one more thing about the movement on the
46:39street. When choosing which side to be
46:40on the street, you also another another
46:42threat factor is is the sturdiness of
46:45the buildings.
46:46Some buildings have just gotten shot up
46:48so bad that they're just, you know, one
46:50little oh away from just falling down.
46:53Um It actually happened uh we were
46:56waiting at a corner.
46:57Um I was leading my team.
47:00And right in front of me, I see like
47:01about a seven, eight story tall
47:03building, and it didn't even get shot or
47:06anything.
47:07It just
47:08out of nowhere just collapsed on itself.
47:10And there was uh there was another team
47:12of uh
47:13of uh IED ordinance guys walking past
47:16it. And I was sure two of them got
47:18squished. Uh but luckily uh they were
47:20they were on the other side and they
47:22missed it by this much. Part of part of
47:23the job description for lead uh for the
47:26lead guys is keeping the rest of the
47:27team away from the hazards. Yeah. And
47:30that's a big one. Also, a tank firing
47:32next to you can can put a shockwave
47:33that'll knock down a house, also knock
47:35down a wall.
47:36Um Yeah. Yeah. By the way, something
47:38that's good to note here is that um
47:40assuming that this was a big kill zone,
47:41our only option isn't just to sprint
47:43across it. You can bring up a D9
47:44bulldozer and you can build little
47:46combat emplacements along the way, just
47:48little berms of dirt, and then you can
47:50leapfrog from those from those and you
47:52can add those in basically. If you're
47:53missing a certain angle, you can just
47:54have a D9 throw up some dirt and you can
47:56set up a machine gunner over there in
47:58that angle and get really good cover.
47:59of the D9 is very specific to the IDF. I
48:03haven't really seen those outside um in
48:06other military usage. You want to speak
48:07to that a little bit? It's a very
48:09interesting combat technique. Yeah,
48:11sure. I mean, they're they're invaluable
48:12really. They're like uh
48:14First of all, they got some balls
48:15sitting like like 3 m up in the air or
48:17whatever. Um What what is a D9 first
48:19off?
48:20It's a it's a CAT D9 bulldozer that's
48:21been up armored significantly. It's got
48:24a hook on the back. It's got a huge uh
48:26shovel in the front. It's got a cage on
48:28it. Um
48:30Usually have two guys in there like a
48:31commander and an operator. And basically
48:33they just uh they're just there to help
48:36out with everything. They can peel a
48:37wall off of a house for you so you can
48:39see what's inside. They can create a
48:41breaching hole by basically just peeling
48:43off a bit of a house. They can knock
48:44down walls. They can um clear trees.
48:48They can clear anything basically. Like
48:50they could drag like 10 telephone poles
48:51behind them. It's pretty ridiculous. And
48:54they're just uh if you find a tunnel,
48:56you can use them to check the entrance
48:58for mines cuz they're almost always
48:59mined. Um sometimes you can find a
49:01tunnel because a D9 will just randomly
49:03like explode a little bit. I say explode
49:05a little bit cuz they don't even like
49:07sometimes the D9 operators don't even
49:08notice when they run over a mine. Cuz
49:10you have like an anti-personnel mine or
49:11something. It just makes a little
49:12explosion. The guy's sitting in like a
49:1540-ton machine or 50-ton machine or
49:17something doesn't always necessarily
49:18feel it. Um but that's a good way to
49:20find a tunnel sometimes. And basically
49:22you can just use them also to make
49:23embankments. You can make a
49:24fortification. If you're forced to sleep
49:26outside somewhere in the middle of um
49:29open field and you haven't gotten yet
49:31into buildings, you can have D9s build
49:33you what's called the mignon, which is
49:35uh like a three or four walled just
49:38fortification of dirt walls. It's a
49:40Exactly. They can dig some small
49:42trenches. You know, it's funny that you
49:44mentioned up armored bulldozers. I'd I'd
49:46say Americans know a thing or two about
49:48up armoring. The
49:51killdozer. But no, it truly is a very
49:54interesting concept and it's something
49:55to take away because it's been
49:57incredibly effective for the IDF and
49:59during urban combat. Yeah, they're
50:01they're incredibly effective and we got
50:02to we got to protect them basically. So
50:03one of the things that IDF has done a
50:05lot better in this war than in the
50:07previous war in Gaza is just really good
50:11dynamic working work between tanks, D9s,
50:15bulldozers, the air force. Infantry.
50:17Yeah, infantry everyone basically
50:19because it's it's your job as infantry.
50:21Infantry and tanks basically cannot
50:23cannot support themselves. Like they
50:25need Tanks need close infantry support
50:27and literally by close as in someone
50:29pointing their gun barrel at the tank
50:31because sometimes a guy will run up come
50:33out of a out of a corner come out of a
50:34house come out of a tunnel run up to a
50:36tank with a magnet mine or with an
50:38explosive mine shove it on the tank and
50:40get out of there and then you either try
50:41to shoot him before he gets to the tank
50:43shoot him obviously after he gets to the
50:45tank it's always a good idea to shoot
50:46him in general. But you can also shoot
50:48at the mine and sometimes people have
50:50knocked magnet mines off of tanks
50:52because they're basically RPG warheads
50:54that are inverted and magneted on and if
50:56they're not facing into the tank armor
50:58they're basically just making a big
50:59explosion. People might think of a
51:01magnetic mine as some very complex thing
51:03but it's literally as simple as taking
51:05some rare earth magnets gluing them to
51:06something that's explosive and slapping
51:08those onto a vehicle.
51:09you're in Hamas it's very complicated
51:11you'll never figure it out don't even
51:12try. As the lead gunners we're the first
51:14guys stepping in in into new territory
51:16into enemy territory. So one of the
51:18things that help us out is
51:20is walking where other armored vehicles
51:22or other people have walked. For example
51:24tank treads vehicle treads. That's going
51:26to be something that we just stick to
51:28that and we're less worried about about
51:30land mines and stuff like that. It
51:32doesn't mean we're going to walk on a
51:33road though. So if there's just a road
51:34it's there we'd prefer to walk next to
51:36the road than on the road. That's right.
51:38Cuz the road is a classic place to set
51:39up an ambush for an armored vehicle.
51:41Okay, so right here we have a simulated
51:42building.
51:44Obviously these aren't real walls they
51:45simulate walls that way you can see
51:47through for filming purposes.
51:50It's all pretend. So basically the
51:52scenario here is that we're going into
51:54another house to search it and clear it
51:56and move forward through the through the
51:58territory. So basically this simulates
52:00like either a berm or just like
52:02any a piece of debris that we're using
52:04as cover.
52:05There's already going to be a hole in
52:06the wall that's not a door cuz we don't
52:08go through doors.
52:10We make our own doors basically so
52:12that's either going to be a breaching
52:13charge that we ran up laid come back and
52:15blown or it's going to be a hole from a
52:18tank round or it's going to be maybe a
52:20D9 went in there and scraped off a
52:21little bit of the wall. Why have you
52:22guys not using doors? Doors are just
52:24super easy to I mean
52:26everyone predicts that people are going
52:27to go through doors, right? No one's
52:29going to just booby trap every single
52:30inch of the wall in their house. So when
52:32you go through the wall much higher
52:33chance that you're going through a clean
52:34piece of the house. Awesome. Jacob.
52:37Jacob.
53:05Yallah. Over there. All right.
53:08Ready? Remote. Remote.
53:13Yallah.
53:15YALLAH AGAIN.
53:22YALLAH.
53:23DID I GET IT?
53:25COME BACK.
53:30YALLAH.
53:47WE GOT 2% ON RIGHT CORNER.
53:50YOU SEE anything in the house in your
53:51area? Nope, we're clear. All right,
53:53let's go and let's bring in some guys.
53:55Get it done.
54:00Naki.
54:01Good job, mate.
54:02Good job. Yeah. Thank you.
54:04Thank you. Your first war crime.
54:06First recorded war crime. First time
54:07fighting for Israel.
54:09So a lot just went on there gentlemen
54:11and I had no idea what the you were
54:12saying so let's go ahead and let's go
54:13through it one more time.
54:16Not as far as running it but explain
54:17what you're doing from each position in
54:19English. Sure. So Jacob you want me to
54:22take it away? Go for it, yeah. Yeah, so
54:24basically we're starting in this
54:26position.
54:27I kind of told him what we're going to
54:29do. It doesn't really matter none none
54:31of us is is you know in charge of the
54:32other. But we're we're an organic team.
54:35At the end of the day it doesn't matter.
54:36If he has a better idea he would tell me
54:37he has a better idea. I basically just
54:39said we're going to
54:41we're going to lay down some fire on the
54:42windows and around the building. We're
54:44going to give some heavy fire. We're
54:45going to run up and we're going to
54:47get onto that right close corner to
54:49here. I'm going to aim down you're going
54:51to aim at the door then we're going to
54:52go throw a grenade and go into the door
54:53basically. So that's exactly what we
54:55did. From here you know from behind
54:56cover we laid down some suppressive
54:58fire.
54:59If it was just our team it would be us
55:01but if we had a tank we might ask him to
55:03pump a couple hundred rounds from the FN
55:05MAG into there or something. We threw we
55:07shot some Obviously if this is an actual
55:08house with windows we would shoot into
55:10all the windows as well.
55:12And if there's anything in the
55:13surrounding houses in the direction of
55:15fire that we're allowed to do because if
55:17you have a lot of troops you're not
55:18going to just be shooting every
55:18direction. So in our direction of fire
55:20we would shoot anything that looks like
55:22there might be someone behind it. So
55:23What's the amount of men that you
55:25typically have conducting something like
55:26this? Well you you we usually go four
55:28guys into a house because the more
55:29people going into the house the higher
55:31the
55:32you know casualty rate can be if the
55:34house is booby trapped. So we try to go
55:36in with the small team clear and then
55:38we're going to
55:39if there's a second floor we're going to
55:41clear the first floor bring in another
55:42pair of people to hold the the stairwell
55:45and then once the first floor is clear
55:46go up get the second floor third floor
55:47whatever. So try to keep it small. And
55:51then once it's clear then you can move
55:52in troops which we did at the end to
55:54kind of either make positions or take
55:56positions within the house and lay some
55:59fire down down range. Okay, so as we're
56:01moving up to here Lev took the right
56:03corner and I took my corner over here on
56:06the on the opening we made. As soon as I
56:08got to this point I saw the first
56:11terrorist okay and I opened fire on him
56:13and neutralized him.
56:14Okay and then I get on my corner.
56:17Okay. Jacob by this point Mike would
56:19already come up behind me and Mike's
56:20here simulating another pair of
56:22soldiers. So he came up he tapped me on
56:23the shoulder just to tell me that he was
56:25here. I told him basically what I'm
56:26looking at and then
56:28he swapped me out and now I'm available
56:30to come here and be with you. Yeah, go
56:31ahead.
56:31Okay, once I know that he's with me okay
56:34then I went for my grenade. Lev told me
56:36that he's that he's that he took my my
56:39cover okay then I was able to put down
56:41my weapon go for my grenade
56:44chuck it
56:45and then we took a couple steps back
56:48let it go up okay and then basically we
56:51gave the command to enter the house with
56:53live fire okay. Which means we're going
56:55to be shooting at anything suspicious we
56:57see in the house furniture um
57:00anything that could be a potential
57:01threat. Um
57:04so then we started entering. As soon as
57:06I entered this corner I saw this
57:08terrorist shot him up okay neutralized
57:10him.
57:11And then we both entered together saw
57:13this guy neutralized him.
57:15And and then Lev took initiative and
57:17went to the far end of the house to
57:19start looking for more terrorists.
57:21Okay,
57:22in general when you when you're taking
57:23over a new house okay you're usually on
57:25the front lines of the advancement. So
57:28it's pretty realistic that there's going
57:30to be a direction that we're going to
57:32expect there to be some kind of uh
57:34continuation of the combat. So Lev goes
57:37opens this window. He sees a terrorist.
57:40Lev you want to take it away? Yeah, so
57:47but I came here found an opening look
57:48out it see a terrorist over there so
57:50shoot him and I yelled terrorist
57:53so that he would know what I'm shooting
57:54at basically. Okay, once I heard that
57:56there's continuation my first instinct
57:58is to look for a way to support him.
58:00Okay, if the if the window is too small
58:03I realize I can't get in with him and
58:04put two barrels on him. So I I went
58:07through here. Lev finished neutralizing
58:09him and over here we had two more guys
58:11simulated by Mike searching for more
58:15insurgents. And searching the inside of
58:17the house. That was me. Yeah, because
58:19before you before you can bring in all
58:20your guys you're going to want to clear
58:21the house not just from terrorists.
58:23First you go through and you can look
58:24for for immediate threats terrorists you
58:26know IEDs that are right out there in
58:28the in the middle or something then
58:29after that you can go through and look
58:30for it a little bit more closely but the
58:32most important thing is to make sure
58:33you're not bringing all your friends in
58:34your house that's going to explode.
58:35Exactly. That first sweep that you do
58:38um
58:39you're you're you're being as thorough
58:40as you can but you're moving okay you're
58:42moving and you're you're not able to go
58:45down to little details so doing the
58:46final
58:48doing that final search is critical so
58:50that you can you can kind of stamp your
58:52signature on it to tell the rest of you
58:54guys okay you guys can come in
58:56and not put them into a booby trap. So
58:58good guys there's a lot to CQB there's a
59:02lot to urban combat. These are some of
59:03the very simple the simplest of
59:06movements to get building to building to
59:08move down roads. There's a lot more to
59:11it.
59:11We're not here to make you experts we're
59:12here to explain some things and to help
59:15you think a little bit more deeply about
59:17the subject of urban combat. With that
59:19being said gentlemen let's continue. So
59:21kind of wrapping up movement in urban
59:24combat situations I think one thing to
59:26note is going to be friendly own troops
59:28otherwise known as a flot. I understand
59:30that's a very fluid situation with what
59:32you guys have been dealing with. So, if
59:33you want to speak to that.
59:34sure. For sure. As opposed to like
59:36previous conflicts, basically in this
59:38conflict we've realized that there is no
59:41forward line of troops basically. And
59:43like there they could be tunnels
59:44anywhere. You could pass over a section
59:46of of dirt. You could cross over with a
59:48D9 bulldozer and it could still be a
59:50tunnel there. So, we basically have to
59:52360 defense always. You have some lines
59:55of fire that are more closed off than
59:56others because you know there's there's
59:58troops over there. But in in general,
1:00:01especially when it comes to like
1:00:03doing close support on tanks and stuff
1:00:05like that, basically 360 defense that
1:00:07people could pop out of any any
1:00:09location, any house. And whenever you
1:00:11leave a house and come back to it later,
1:00:13you it's as if you've never been there
1:00:15basically. You have to open it up and
1:00:16clear it from from scratch and check for
1:00:19booby traps, mines. Some some people
1:00:20have been in the same house 10, 12, 15
1:00:23times and then they come back one time
1:00:24and it's booby trapped. So, it's uh
1:00:27Are there any things to look for that
1:00:28might indicate a booby trap? I mean,
1:00:30there's there's some stuff you can do
1:00:31when you leave your house that if you
1:00:32want to make sure that it's not being
1:00:33booby trapped. You can put a clear tape
1:00:35over the doorways and stuff. You can
1:00:38close stuff in a certain way. You can
1:00:39move furniture around so you can see if
1:00:41it's been moved when you come back. In
1:00:42general also, we just kind of want to
1:00:44close off the houses when we leave them
1:00:45cuz we don't want cats to come in and
1:00:46take shits in our kitchens. So.
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1:02:17So, we've covered a lot of information
1:02:19from kits to combat to combat movement.
1:02:21Uh let's talk about weapon systems right
1:02:23here. Gentlemen, please. On you.
1:02:26Um so, this is a this is a saw
1:02:28obviously. Usually I run a Negev um
1:02:30Negev light machine gun, but this is the
1:02:32same optics combo that I use. So, I like
1:02:34to have the EOTech with a flip up
1:02:36magnifier. If I wasn't the point machine
1:02:38gunner, I probably wouldn't put on a
1:02:39magnifier just for the weight and the
1:02:40simplicity. But, being that we're both
1:02:42out in the front, I like to be able to
1:02:44look out a little bit farther, see
1:02:45farther ahead of me, help look for
1:02:47cameras and stuff like that, look for
1:02:49ambushes. And it's just, you know, fun.
1:02:51You can draw smiley faces on walls and
1:02:53stuff from far away. Is this what you do
1:02:55in your off time? I can't comment on
1:02:57that. Um And then I I have the like IDF
1:03:01issued I think old Elbit like laser on
1:03:04mine. Just an IR laser and then I put a
1:03:05Streamlight flashlight on the left side.
1:03:08I actually modified my Negev by screwing
1:03:10with my multi-tool screwing on a plastic
1:03:12Picatinny rail to the bottom so I could
1:03:14uh add a a vertical foregrip just like
1:03:17this. What I and then the Negev lets you
1:03:20fold the stock in. And I really like
1:03:21about that is it was super easy to
1:03:23switch stocks like this with the stock
1:03:24right in your chest. You get really
1:03:26really easily get around corners like
1:03:27that.
1:03:28Um and then the Negev also has 150 round
1:03:31drums. I would carry one here, one here,
1:03:33one here, one in the pack. And then
1:03:35on my battle belt right here another
1:03:37like 120 rounds or something. Then I'm
1:03:39having an extra thousand back in the
1:03:41rucksack.
1:03:41Are you guys just carrying
1:03:43you know M855? Is it like
1:03:45The green We we green tip. Yeah,
1:03:46exactly. We both do. As designated
1:03:48marksman and machine gunners both have
1:03:49green tip. Do you want to talk to the
1:03:51the feet? I know we we had different
1:03:53opinions on
1:03:53was something interesting that Mike and
1:03:54I were talking about. Basically, um the
1:03:57default basically in the IDF, at least
1:03:58where I am, is you walk around with them
1:04:00open up like this. So, if you need to
1:04:02sprawl down, you can just sprawl down in
1:04:03a second with them already open. Very
1:04:05athletic.
1:04:05Um
1:04:06which is which is nice to do. You were
1:04:09saying you guys walk around with them
1:04:10folding backwards a lot. What do you do
1:04:12usually? Um Possibly cuz the Negev
1:04:14design, once you have a handle over here
1:04:16you can't fold them backwards. Okay.
1:04:17Um also the the PTT cable would get in
1:04:20the way and stuff. So, I would fold them
1:04:22if I wanted to, I would just fold them
1:04:23forwards like this. And then this is
1:04:24nice cuz I can really easily rest this
1:04:26on um Exactly. So, I can really easily
1:04:29rest this on something like that.
1:04:31Um maybe get some contrast against it.
1:04:33And also, if I want to really steady it,
1:04:35I can actually put my hand on one of
1:04:36these while it's rested forward and I
1:04:37can crank down on the whole thing and
1:04:38get super steady.
1:04:40Um and also, if there's a broken window,
1:04:42I can use these to gently kind of gently
1:04:44smash out the rest of the glass of the
1:04:46window and then clear the window frames
1:04:47so I'm not going to cut myself. Yep. Um
1:04:49obviously these are different from the
1:04:51Negev. Yeah, a bit different. Um but,
1:04:54you know, use them for similar stuff.
1:04:55Also, if you're shooting through bars on
1:04:57a window, which a lot of them have, you
1:04:59can really easily rest those on the bars
1:05:00of the window and get to a good
1:05:02position.
1:05:03Good. There's there's there's something
1:05:04for everything, right?
1:05:05sure.
1:05:05Tactics are going 100% going to change.
1:05:07Yeah. Um in terms of the ammunition, are
1:05:09any of your teammates carrying belts of
1:05:11ammo for you as well? Um
1:05:14I mean, I have occasionally. If we're if
1:05:16we're going somewhere far away without a
1:05:17lot of resupply, I'll throw in some
1:05:18extra belts with other people. But,
1:05:20people have enough stuff to carry in
1:05:22general. I like to carry my own ammo.
1:05:24I'm of the the firm belief that
1:05:26designated marksman, who are always the
1:05:27battle buddy of a Negev, are a little
1:05:28bit weaker mentally and that's why
1:05:30they're marksman and not machine
1:05:31gunners. Um so, I try try not to, you
1:05:34know, make their life too hard. Of
1:05:35course. Yeah. You want to make it too
1:05:37difficult. I mean, this guy is actually
1:05:38a machine gunner like
1:05:40before he before he switched units. So,
1:05:42in my team I'm usually running a a light
1:05:45machine gun Negev also.
1:05:47Um a funny story, when we were first
1:05:49going into Gaza they told us that we
1:05:50weren't going to have resupply for
1:05:52a little above 48 hours. So, we ended up
1:05:55doing is I took my usual four drums uh
1:06:00and I put in a fifth.
1:06:01And then my battle buddy took two more
1:06:04drums.
1:06:05Um so, that's like seven drums or
1:06:08something like that.
1:06:10Yeah.
1:06:10So, we we went in we went in heavy and
1:06:13uh and later later regretted it. We
1:06:14could have we didn't have to bring that
1:06:15much. But, we wanted to be better safe
1:06:17than sorry, you know. 100%. I mean,
1:06:19yeah, for sure. And then side arms, talk
1:06:21about
1:06:21talk about your current setup because
1:06:22No, go go through your side arm as well
1:06:24right now.
1:06:24Okay. So, my side arm over here, this
1:06:26isn't exactly indicative of it, but M&P
1:06:282.0 compact 17 round magazine. Um the
1:06:31one
1:06:32M&P because of our video?
1:06:34Uh partly. Hey, let's go.
1:06:38I just use that video if anyone shits on
1:06:39it.
1:06:40And they're like, "You need the Glock.
1:06:41The Glock is the reliable gun, you know?
1:06:43It's the reliable one." You hear that
1:06:44all the time, right? Of course he does.
1:06:45He's a Glock fanboy.
1:06:47everyone's like like you you need the
1:06:49Glock. Only the Glock. I'm like, "You
1:06:51can buy other things besides for Glock."
1:06:52It's like, you know, everyone everyone's
1:06:54working on it. I have a red dot on here
1:06:56and a flashlight. And actually on the
1:06:577th of October, um I didn't have a
1:07:00flashlight yet on my on my Negev. So, we
1:07:03were just like straight up drafted and
1:07:05thrown into it. So, I actually cleared a
1:07:07lot of the houses in Kfar Aza, like the
1:07:08Israeli houses, with just my handgun and
1:07:11with this slung to the side like that
1:07:12basically. And cleared them with a
1:07:14handgun with the flashlight going
1:07:15through the rooms. Wild. Yeah. All
1:07:17right. So,
1:07:19like I said, in my team I'm usually a
1:07:21light machine gunnist, but there was
1:07:22definitely a month in Gaza where I
1:07:24joined up with a different unit and I
1:07:27was lead marksman. Um So, basically a
1:07:31marksman gun in the IDF, it's going to
1:07:34look it's going to look a lot like this.
1:07:36Uh it's standard M4 um flat top with
1:07:41with an ACOG optic. Um personally, I
1:07:44added a piggyback prefer so I have
1:07:46something for close range.
1:07:48Um
1:07:50and the IDF issued M4 is going to come
1:07:53with is going to come with the little
1:07:55legs here. Uh the bipod.
1:07:57Uh I don't like them. They're heavy.
1:07:59And it just it doesn't feel right for my
1:08:01hand. And I think it's I think it's a
1:08:03personal preference. Uh what you shoot
1:08:05best with is what you should do. So, I
1:08:07like I like to keep it clean without a
1:08:09grip. Yeah, flashlight and PEC.
1:08:11Now, in terms of your flashlights, you
1:08:12are keeping caps on those for
1:08:14Yes. So, I we actually we have someone
1:08:17sew these
1:08:18these basically like cloth covers for
1:08:21them.
1:08:21Um they're basically like a like a
1:08:24stretchy material. And you just kind of
1:08:26stick it on, it's stuck on. And if you
1:08:27want to pull it off, you pull it off.
1:08:28Nice. Um and yeah, just to just to make
1:08:31minimize any risk of flash. Now, and to
1:08:34be clear, you're using the
1:08:36This is a battery powered ACOG. It's
1:08:38what we had on hand. But, you're using
1:08:40the fiber optic ACOG.
1:08:41So, active service
1:08:43active service combatants are using this
1:08:45one.
1:08:45Oh, cool. Okay.
1:08:46Okay.
1:08:47But, I I haven't used it. They didn't
1:08:49have it when I was in active service.
1:08:51Yeah. Now, I've noticed that you guys
1:08:52haven't talked about suppressors at all.
1:08:54Is that because they're not issued? So,
1:08:56only certain units are going to have
1:08:57them. It's usually tier one units.
1:08:59Okay. Um we we haven't used them at all.
1:09:01Is it something you'd like to have on on
1:09:03your weapons? A suppressor?
1:09:05Yeah. Um yeah, sure. I'd like that.
1:09:07Yeah. I don't know. Like uh
1:09:09I feel like combat is so loud anyway
1:09:11with with heavy machine guns and with
1:09:13tanks firing and I'm like uh
1:09:17I don't know. I mean, yeah, it can be
1:09:18really loud with someone shooting, but
1:09:19it'd be nice to have the option, though.
1:09:21I wouldn't put extra weight on my Negev.
1:09:22It's already so heavy.
1:09:23No, not on Negev.
1:09:25Not on the Negev.
1:09:26No. Interesting. Yeah, so I mean at
1:09:28night I guess that's kind of the big the
1:09:30big thing. But are you
1:09:31barrel negative makes a huge fireball at
1:09:32night.
1:09:33Yeah. Yeah, but it's beautiful in a way,
1:09:35you know? Yeah, you know You got to put
1:09:36down that suppressing fire. You guys
1:09:37seen a lot of night fighting or do they
1:09:39not come out at night? The night
1:09:41fighting is more static in both
1:09:42directions. There have been some
1:09:43situations where they come and try to
1:09:45overrun posts at night, but usually it's
1:09:48it's not
1:09:49Usually it's a daytime skirmish. Okay.
1:09:50Is that due to a lack of nods or
1:09:52thermals on their end? Um I would say
1:09:55so, yeah. I would say they fear our
1:09:57ability to Fair.
1:09:59Yeah.
1:09:59With the thermals and the nods, yeah.
1:10:01Fair enough. You want to talk to your
1:10:02handgun?
1:10:03Yeah.
1:10:04Um
1:10:07It's my baby.
1:10:08yeah, so I run I usually run a Glock 19.
1:10:11It's a Glock 17,
1:10:13but it's pretty close to what I to what
1:10:15I use. I have a mounted optic,
1:10:17Holosun SCS.
1:10:19And and also I run the TLR-8 flashlight
1:10:22and laser.
1:10:23Um yeah, it's also like for for close
1:10:27for like small bathrooms and stuff like
1:10:29that.
1:10:30When you're running a machine gun and
1:10:31you're opening really small corners like
1:10:33that, really small like meter on meter
1:10:36rooms,
1:10:37you're going to go for the for the
1:10:39handgun. Yeah, also if you have to crawl
1:10:40up into a crawl space or something. If
1:10:42you I've had a couple situations where
1:10:43like above the doorway there's like a
1:10:45crawl space for storage. So you crawl
1:10:47climb up climb on up there and you're
1:10:48not going to be using a machine gun.
1:10:49Yeah, you're just going to climb up and
1:10:50you're going to have and you're going to
1:10:51have a handgun.
1:10:52like that. Also in the you know in in in
1:10:54inside Israel in Kfar Aza on the 9th of
1:10:56October, we were growing up to a lot of
1:10:58roofs. So climbing up to the roof on a
1:11:00ladder, you're going to poke up your
1:11:01head on the ladder with a with the
1:11:03handgun and not go up with your machine
1:11:04gun. Yeah. Um so gentlemen, obviously
1:11:07when it comes to the weapons that you
1:11:08guys are using, these are issued. You're
1:11:09in a professional military. There's
1:11:11really not going to be much of a choice
1:11:12when it comes to them. And often times
1:11:14you can see with whatever they have,
1:11:16they make it work. And that's a big
1:11:18thing you saw in the United States
1:11:19military or any military. So
1:11:22there's always going to be that element
1:11:23when we're talking about the weapons
1:11:24that you guys are issued and what you're
1:11:26kind of you have what you work with and
1:11:29that's what you get. There's not really
1:11:30much you can do about it. Yeah. Although
1:11:32the gear I guess is the exception. Like
1:11:34and I think in this war especially
1:11:35there's been so much
1:11:37um so much donation money coming in from
1:11:39the Jewish community. So many people who
1:11:42are you know no longer in a unit who
1:11:43want to donate back to people in our
1:11:44unit. So we've kind of been upgrading
1:11:45our gear the whole time. Nice. And I
1:11:47think it's you kind of see the super
1:11:49important when you get new gear
1:11:50obviously to go out and test it and run
1:11:51around in it before you get to combat.
1:11:54Sure. Um don't be a dumbass and like
1:11:56cross the border into Gaza and be like
1:11:57oh my backpack's uncomfortable.
1:11:59You're you're a dumbass, you know. Just
1:12:01test it in your in your on your base.
1:12:02Yeah. Awesome. Well gentlemen, thank you
1:12:04for talking about the weapons. Um
1:12:06let's talk a little bit about October
1:12:087th. It was a pretty interesting
1:12:09scenario and I know there's some good
1:12:11lessons learned there. So let's go ahead
1:12:13and roll into that. Yeah.
1:12:17So a lot of people might not be familiar
1:12:19with what October 7th was and how it
1:12:20kind of redefined a lot of combat for
1:12:22you guys. So if you could explain what
1:12:24October 7th was and then explain
1:12:27a lot of the combat and how things were
1:12:29kind of different during that time.
1:12:30Basically October 7th was a super super
1:12:32well coordinated really hardcore attack
1:12:35across the border the southern border
1:12:37with Gaza by Hamas. It started with
1:12:40leading up to it basically
1:12:41systematically removing and overpowering
1:12:45the
1:12:47what do you call it? Surveillance
1:12:48uh systems the surveillance systems on
1:12:50the border. So sending drones into
1:12:52attack surveillance towers, taking out
1:12:53cameras. And then there was like a heavy
1:12:56very heavy rocket barrage in the
1:12:57morning. Personally I was I was in
1:13:00Beersheba at my parents' house with with
1:13:01my wife. And you were with your kids
1:13:04there basically. And so we all went into
1:13:05our bomb shelters. And that's kind of
1:13:07what they were counting on is having a
1:13:09really powerful long barrage to keep
1:13:10people's heads down. Then they had a
1:13:12multi-pronged approach where they
1:13:14crossed the border
1:13:15by ramming and having bulldozers ram
1:13:17holes in the fence. Like enough holes to
1:13:20basically overwhelm any quick reaction
1:13:21force that could come in and and
1:13:23counterattack. Having paragliders who
1:13:25came in Hamas paragliders, you'd have
1:13:27two guys one or two guys on a paraglider
1:13:29come in and um
1:13:31dismount and start start setting up
1:13:33roadblocks on roads and attacking and
1:13:35just having a ton of classic you know
1:13:38Middle East white white pickup truck
1:13:40full of terrorists just crossing again
1:13:42and again. Having a ton of those and
1:13:43having terrorists on dirt bikes who were
1:13:46super mobile. And the idea was to go and
1:13:48attack and overwhelm the bases, kidnap
1:13:51or slaughter everyone on the army bases
1:13:53on the border and also attack all of the
1:13:54kibbutz seem which are like small
1:13:56communal villages on the border. And
1:13:58they were also the reason they did it on
1:14:00that date specifically was because of
1:14:01the Nova music festival which was a huge
1:14:03music festival where they killed
1:14:05hundreds
1:14:06killed and raped hundreds of people at
1:14:08the festival and kidnapped a bunch of
1:14:09them. Turned it into just a straight up
1:14:11massacre. So
1:14:14one of the one of the hardest things for
1:14:15the IDF in this on this day was that the
1:14:17QRFs were set up to to
1:14:21take on small individual attacks. So you
1:14:24know each kibbutz had their own
1:14:26quick reaction it's called the kitat
1:14:27konanut which is like a readiness party
1:14:29that has a couple guys maybe and you
1:14:31have the guy in charge and they're
1:14:32they're ready for someone to come and
1:14:33attack a certain house or one guy on the
1:14:35border. One guy to attack this. You have
1:14:37you know people getting ambushed with
1:14:39hundreds of terrorists outside of their
1:14:40houses just getting absolutely cut down.
1:14:42And like the security at the music
1:14:44festival of like a dozen cops or
1:14:45whatever with with Glock 19s, two mags
1:14:48each or something like that. Just
1:14:49getting absolutely torn apart by PK fire
1:14:52and AK fire. RPGs. RPGs. A lot of um
1:14:57a lot of people basically take shelter
1:14:59from the rockets and those shelters turn
1:15:01into their final resting places cuz
1:15:02people would go into like uh in Israel
1:15:05in the in the south you have a lot of
1:15:07bomb shelters and rocket shelters that
1:15:09are just next to bus stops. People would
1:15:11go into them, get trapped inside and
1:15:12Hamas terrorists would come and throw
1:15:14grenades inside. When people run out
1:15:15just gun them down basically. Uh it
1:15:17turned into a very chaotic situation.
1:15:19People didn't quite understand what was
1:15:20going on in the beginning and it took
1:15:22just way too long to get it under
1:15:24control. All the QRF teams that went in
1:15:26were just hit really heavily, took
1:15:28really heavy casualties. And you ended
1:15:29up having like a couple of helicopters
1:15:32per each area and they just the guys
1:15:34killing dozens if not tens of of
1:15:37terrorists. Taking really heavy
1:15:39casualties. And you have some really
1:15:42crazy stories from that. I was only
1:15:44involved in that on the on the 8th and
1:15:479th. I went in to Kfar Aza which is one
1:15:50of the villages that got hit very hard.
1:15:53You were involved from the first day.
1:15:54Basically I was drafted on the first day
1:15:56and then we just they didn't really
1:15:57quite know what to do with us cuz there
1:15:58were already so many forces converging
1:16:00on the area. Held us back a little bit
1:16:02and then sent us in after to start
1:16:03clearing bodies. But why don't you talk
1:16:04about your experience? So on the 7th
1:16:06after we
1:16:07we got the message to go to base and and
1:16:09arm up. This was around like 12 12 in
1:16:12the afternoon.
1:16:13Uh we spent two hours giving up gearing
1:16:15up. And we made it to the south
1:16:20on our Humvees.
1:16:21And I remember when we were on the we
1:16:23were on the the road road number six.
1:16:26I'm just seeing all these cars like
1:16:28running away from the south.
1:16:30Like just traffic jam of cars running
1:16:32away from the south and we're just going
1:16:34down. So like whatever they're running
1:16:35from we're going towards it. Um
1:16:38and I remember once we passed a certain
1:16:40point like we were like in the area of
1:16:43of like that south of Gaza.
1:16:46We started seeing just carnage along the
1:16:49streets. Just bodies all along the
1:16:50streets of terrorists. I saw I saw a car
1:16:55with civilian casualties as well.
1:16:57Uh just it it looked like the purge. It
1:16:59looked like it looked like something out
1:17:00of the movie The Purge. Just cars
1:17:02burning, fire, destruction everywhere.
1:17:05Um we went to kibbutz called kibbutz
1:17:09Sa'ad.
1:17:10And we hold up over there. And from
1:17:12there we went out to to scanning
1:17:14missions. Just searching the surrounding
1:17:17the surrounding nature and the
1:17:18surrounding uh agricultural fields for
1:17:20stragglers for any terrorists that may
1:17:22be hiding there.
1:17:24Um during one of our missions we
1:17:26actually found we we had a report of a
1:17:28terrorist hiding in a orchard. And me
1:17:31and my team were doing a scan of the
1:17:33orchard which is just everyone just gets
1:17:34a strip of their own. In between each
1:17:37line of trees is a strip.
1:17:38A guy in my team
1:17:41sees the terrorist from 5 m away. Uh he
1:17:44just we're just it's slow moving slow
1:17:46slowly through the orchard. Sees him 5 m
1:17:49away.
1:17:50Puts three in him and then uh
1:17:52neutralizes him. Um we ended up checking
1:17:55his phone and we found out that he was a
1:17:58uh he was one of the guys basically
1:18:01helping Hamas uh find so he was a scout.
1:18:06Um basically just teaching finding
1:18:08stragglers and killing civilians. So
1:18:11from there after the search parties that
1:18:13we were doing around the kibbutz,
1:18:16we got the mission to retake the base
1:18:17Nahal Oz.
1:18:19Uh we went to the base.
1:18:21And at the front gates of the base we
1:18:23were contacted by by a terrorist from
1:18:25inside the base. We took cover, returned
1:18:27fire.
1:18:28Um and the platoon commander called in a
1:18:31commander tank to take out the
1:18:34terrorist.
1:18:35Uh after the terrorist was neutralized,
1:18:37we started clearing the base of
1:18:40terrorist threats.
1:18:41And once it was clear, we basically got
1:18:44the mission
1:18:46of clearing out 70 casualties of our own
1:18:49soldiers. Male and female. Some of them
1:18:52non-combatant. A good portion of them
1:18:54weren't even combatants. Uh bodies were
1:18:57mutilated.
1:18:58Um and we basically just bagged them and
1:19:01brought them back home. Obviously you're
1:19:03dealing with a tough situation. There
1:19:04are no rules in this conflict as far as
1:19:06their side. So you're dealing with a lot
1:19:08of very tough situations. Now what were
1:19:10some things and tactics that they did
1:19:12once you were entering these locations
1:19:14to clean up bodies um
1:19:16that put you guys in vulnerable
1:19:17situations that you weren't aware of
1:19:19until you know it occurred that day.
1:19:22Um so, you're they were basically
1:19:25booby-trapping dead bodies. Like taking
1:19:27grenades, for example, removing the uh
1:19:30removing the handle and basically just
1:19:33leaving removing the pin and leaving it
1:19:34under a body. And uh then when
1:19:37paramedics or or uh soldiers will come
1:19:39to the dead body and touch it, move it,
1:19:42the grenade will go off and uh injure
1:19:44soldiers. Um They pull the pin out and
1:19:47the handle would be against the body, so
1:19:48when the body's moved, the handle would
1:19:49pop off
1:19:50Yes, sir. The fuse would go off at this
1:19:51time.
1:19:52They were also doing that with bags,
1:19:54uh like putting them in bags kind of, so
1:19:56that when you touch the bag or step on
1:19:57it, um also
1:20:00uh RPG warheads, they were just They
1:20:02were leaving weapons behind and
1:20:05booby-trapping the weapons.
1:20:06Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Were there any
1:20:08ambushes when it came to that when as
1:20:10far as like recovering dead bodies where
1:20:11they'd be in wait?
1:20:14Uh I didn't I don't really see that
1:20:15because
1:20:17um
1:20:18you know, it's kind of like what
1:20:20at that point it was retaking Israel.
1:20:21So, there's so many soldiers in the
1:20:23area.
1:20:24Uh the the choppers that Lev was talking
1:20:26about, uh they they kind of sca- they
1:20:29kind of just hit and ran. Okay. Um but
1:20:31some There were some stragglers, but not
1:20:32many. There were also a lot of guys and
1:20:34civilians basically that that took the
1:20:35opportunity to cross the border and
1:20:36start looting. So, you have like guys
1:20:39who come with their like donkey cart or
1:20:40whatever and start loading up washing
1:20:41machines and TVs and stuff. Had those
1:20:44guys and those That was also in the
1:20:45beginning that the Hamas said that they
1:20:47couldn't even say how many prisoners
1:20:48they had cuz they didn't have all the
1:20:49prisoners. So, basically people were
1:20:51just taking their own prisoners cuz they
1:20:52knew they'd be worth something
1:20:53eventually.
1:20:55Um and a lot of the guys that we ran
1:20:57into in Khirbat I'bill, we basically we
1:20:59ran into to after Khirbat I'bill was
1:21:02already partially retaken, we went in
1:21:04and finished taking it on the 8th and
1:21:069th. Um and we basically cleared it
1:21:09house to house at night and then uh we
1:21:12set up
1:21:13basically bases inside civilian houses
1:21:16and we set up a line, basically a
1:21:18friendly line, and then the next day we
1:21:20cleared the rest of it and we, you know,
1:21:22bagged, like you said, and and protected
1:21:25the the non-combatants and combatants
1:21:27who were who had the job, the
1:21:29unfortunate job of having to bag up,
1:21:31identify, bag up Israeli civilians and
1:21:34remove them. Um so, we saw we saw a lot
1:21:37of that and we saw a lot of just
1:21:38butchered Israelis in their homes and uh
1:21:41I think it was just the creepiest thing
1:21:42was just the fact that it was like
1:21:45a city, like a neighborhood that I was I
1:21:47wasn't familiar with that one, but it
1:21:48was very similar to ones that I lived in
1:21:50in Israel.
1:21:51And it was just like
1:21:52completely empty of of life. It was just
1:21:55here and there a soldier, and you'd have
1:21:57maybe a cat walking around, and there
1:21:58were just dead dogs and dead people in
1:22:00the street, dead terrorists everywhere.
1:22:02Tanks had like run over cars while
1:22:04trying to get a better firing position,
1:22:06burning cars, burned-out houses. Um like
1:22:10the strong like a lot of houses have um
1:22:12or all new houses in Israel built with a
1:22:14safe room, and a lot of the safe rooms
1:22:16were just RPG'd open, basically. So,
1:22:17someone would just shoot in through the
1:22:19through the through the wall.
1:22:20Um and it was just really creepy. It was
1:22:22really really very uh
1:22:24very eerie. I think when it comes to
1:22:26that, there's a definite um
1:22:28thing we have to speak to, which is
1:22:29urban civilian readiness, right? Yeah.
1:22:31So, just like where you are, no matter
1:22:33where you are, we've talked about it in
1:22:34past survival situations, um in videos
1:22:37that we've done, but you never know when
1:22:39the situation's going to hit you. The
1:22:40safest you can be, obviously Israel, um
1:22:42being so close to the border to people
1:22:43who hate you, you're you're going to get
1:22:45a little bit more of that than what we
1:22:46see, obviously, here in the United
1:22:47States. But nonetheless,
1:22:49the information that we're showing here,
1:22:51that we're presenting here, uh is
1:22:52incredibly valuable. Um
1:22:55and the time that you need it, that you
1:22:56absolutely need it, it's too late to
1:22:58learn it. So, this is where it's really
1:22:59important to take these lessons that
1:23:00we've talked about today and begin to
1:23:02implement them in do your own training.
1:23:04That's going to be extremely important.
1:23:05Gentlemen, we're going to go ahead and
1:23:06finish up here, and I can't thank you
1:23:07guys enough for coming on. Uh do you
1:23:09want to have any final thoughts for the
1:23:10guys before you go?
1:23:11I mean, you've got to be ready. You've
1:23:13got to be ready to make the mental
1:23:15switch. There's, you know, you've got to
1:23:18you have your civilian life, you're
1:23:19going day to day, you're with your
1:23:20family, you're with your loved ones,
1:23:22you're you're at a music festival,
1:23:23you're wherever. Uh when the shots start
1:23:25start flying and the bullets start
1:23:27flying, you've got to be able to make
1:23:28that switch, go into survival mode, and
1:23:30either
1:23:31save yourself, get out of there, or go
1:23:33towards the go towards the gunfire and,
1:23:35you know, find terrorists and kill them.
1:23:37You have people who had just just the
1:23:39handgun they had on them, maybe one
1:23:40spare magazine, who went out, fought to
1:23:42a long gun, whether it was from a fallen
1:23:44soldier or from a fallen terrorist, and
1:23:46then some of them literally took
1:23:47uniforms off of dead soldiers so they
1:23:49could put them on so they would wouldn't
1:23:50be misidentified by friendlies and
1:23:53killed, and who fought to to their loved
1:23:54ones and created just groups of other
1:23:58survivors and fought out. And it's
1:24:00you've got to be ready for it, you know?
1:24:02And you just
1:24:04be ready to protect the ones you love
1:24:06and the people you love and the country
1:24:07you love and just uh
1:24:09stay always ready.
1:24:11Yeah. Um get some training.
1:24:14Um these people
1:24:16in uh in all these settlements on the
1:24:187th of October, they didn't see this
1:24:20coming,
1:24:21you know?
1:24:22Uh it could happen it could happen to
1:24:23anyone, unfortunately. Uh get training,
1:24:27take it seriously, and uh be aware, and
1:24:30uh know how to make the switch. Awesome.
1:24:31Gentlemen, can't thank you guys enough.
1:24:33Uh we've given a lot of dead advice
1:24:35today, a lot of advice in general.
1:24:37Train, be good at what it is, be ready
1:24:39to protect your loved ones. Guys, thank
1:24:41you so much for watching. Tons of more
1:24:42survival content coming. We got nothing
1:24:44else for you.

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