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0:00Welcome back to the channel, guys. My
0:01name is Ryan. This is Fine Detailing.
0:03Thank you so much for joining. If this
0:04is your first time, quickly pause, hit
0:06the subscribe button, hit the like
0:07button. It helps me get in front of more
0:09viewers. Again, if this is your first
0:10time, I'm Ryan. Uh have a professional
0:12detail uh shop in Scottsdale, Arizona.
0:15We also have a retail supply store uh up
0:17front. So, if you're local, we'd love to
0:19have you stop by. If not, we also have
0:21an online store. I'll link it in the
0:22description below. So, this was an
0:25impromptu video. Uh I didn't think I was
0:27going to film it. So, those that have
0:28been following me, I applied uh Clean by
0:31Pan, the organizers uh one-year coating
0:33just over a year ago. Uh I'm sorry, this
0:36is his eight-year coding. And you can
0:39see I wrote on it uh October 6th of
0:432024.
0:44And so, I've been filming long-term
0:46updates. I believe I was one of the
0:48first uh non [sighs and gasps]
0:51non Thor people to do a video on this.
0:54And so, the video did really well. And
0:55then so I continued to do uh updates. So
0:58I did a you know obviously my
0:59application video. I did a fiveday
1:00update because he says you can wash it
1:02uh before full curing. Uh and then I did
1:05a month update, a 3-month, I skipped six
1:07month because it was doing well. Uh I
1:09did a 9month and then at the time of
1:11filming this I maybe posted it a month
1:13ago was my year update but actually it
1:15was more like I think it was a 13-month
1:16update. Um
1:19o over that time the coding has been
1:21perfect for lack of a better term. I
1:23said in my last video there was one area
1:25on the bottom lower that was starting
1:27to, you know, call it fail or starting
1:29to sheet a little bit more. And then,
1:31you know, maybe the slickness has faded
1:32over time, but overall the performance
1:34has been killer, the gloss has been
1:36killer, and I've given it nothing but
1:37rave reviews. And in an effort just to
1:40be honest with all of you guys, um I was
1:42just doing a quick maintenance wash the
1:44other day. Uh and I noticed some more of
1:47those if we'll call it I don't want to
1:49quite call it failures, but we can call
1:50it like failures and hydrophobics in
1:53some different areas. So I'm not going
1:54to make this intro super long, so we'll
1:56get into it here shortly, but I just
1:58want to set the stage for you on what
1:59we're going to do to try to um revive
2:02this, if you will, and then my thoughts.
2:04But I really want you to stick around to
2:05the end to hear my final thoughts. I'm
2:07going to go through a couple different
2:08options about, you know, who I spoke to
2:09and why and um what what I tried to do
2:12uh with this coating. But, uh what we're
2:15going to do is we're going to jump into
2:16our typical maintenance um or coating um
2:20coating treatment kit. So, what I'm
2:22going to do is I'm going to spray it
2:23with a I'm going to foam it down with a
2:25heavy alkaline uh pre-wash to kill any
2:28sort of quick detailers that are on it.
2:30Uh for those again that have followed
2:31me, I have not done any sort of
2:34meaningful protection. I haven't topped
2:35it with any ceramics uh or anything
2:38that's like a longer term protection
2:39because I've wanted this coating to kind
2:41of shine. That pan advertises it as uh
2:44you know no toppers needed coating.
2:46Great. So I wanted to put that to the
2:47test. So I've put on yum quick detailer
2:50garage therapy. I've put on OG drying
2:52aid and like Bowworks detail spray. So
2:55again nothing with like meaningful
2:56significant protection. That said,
2:59Koshemi MSN is a pH of 13.1. And this is
3:04I use this pretty much for a lot of my
3:05strip washes. So, if there's anything
3:07left on the car from previous washes,
3:09this will most certainly strip it. Um,
3:11so we'll do that. We'll foam that on,
3:13let it dwell as long as possible. We'll
3:15strip it. And then, uh, I'm going to
3:17actually go into an iron remover next.
3:20Uh, and then I'm going to go into, uh,
3:22an acidic admineralization shampoo. This
3:24is Garage Therapies. It's one of the
3:26best ones on the market. Um, so I'm
3:28going to use this at their strongest
3:29bucket dilution, which is recommended at
3:311 to 100. So I have about 100 mls of
3:33water in or 100 mls of product. Uh, I'm
3:36not going to foam this on. I'm just
3:37going to use it in the bucket so we get
3:38an exact dilution and there's no over
3:41under dilution exactly going to be 1 to
3:43100. And after each step, we'll we'll
3:46check the hydrophobics um with the
3:48water. And then at the very last, which
3:49I actually don't believe in claying
3:51ceramic coated cars, even it's if it's
3:52synthetic, that this creates abrasion
3:55and I think actually damages the
3:57coating. Uh even if you use heavy
3:59lubrication, etc., etc. Like I just
4:01don't believe in either real claying or
4:03synthetic clay, ceramic coatings, it's
4:05it's fine if you want to, but we'll do
4:06this as our last possible step to see if
4:08there's anything left on the surface. Uh
4:11and then we'll test the test the water
4:12behavior. One quick note, some might
4:15say, "Okay, if the hydrophobics failed,
4:17that doesn't mean the coating has fully
4:18failed. It's there to protect it." While
4:20I tend to agree with that, um, you know,
4:24we also add ceramic coatings for ease of
4:26maintenance, right? And while the water
4:27you'll see is sheeting uh rather rather
4:30aggressively in some areas, right? We
4:32want those hydrophobics because I think
4:33the water
4:35I still think like it should be
4:37evaporating on the surface or not
4:38evaporating. still think it should be
4:41hydrophobic after a year, right? Um, and
4:45the con the hypothesis is, and please
4:47again stick around to the end and we'll
4:48really go through this in depth. The
4:50hypothesis is, you know, maybe it's my
4:52UV. I I'm in Arizona, right? I'm in
4:54Scottsdale, Arizona. And the rest of the
4:56country, you know, back east, right,
4:58people deal with snow and really epic
5:00winters. And, uh, I've asked one of my
5:01friends in Colorado, Colton, like, "Hey,
5:03if you've ever seen a coating fail,
5:04where does it fail?" And I I knew what
5:06he was going to say. all the lowers and
5:08the sides and then the rear hatch,
5:10right? Because all that salt and gunk
5:12gets on there. I don't have that in my
5:13conditions. What I do have is the
5:15highest UV index for the most amount of
5:17days of the year. In the summertime,
5:19every single day, it's a full max of
5:20UV12. Um, now the car isn't parked
5:23baking in the sun every day, but it does
5:24go out and about. So, my hypothesis is
5:27that maybe this coating doesn't like
5:30strong UV. Um, we don't really have good
5:33data on on UV. There is one of my peers,
5:36Demetrius Garage. He does a lot of
5:37scientific testing and I'm doing air
5:39quotes, not because I don't believe him,
5:40but I I I don't have a way to vet what
5:42he does, right? So, I would assume that
5:44it's, you know, he's done his research.
5:46According to him, every coating that
5:48he's ever tested has no actual UV
5:50protection in it or UVA or UVB, whatever
5:52he tests for. So, if that's the case,
5:54then maybe, you know, none of these
5:56coatings actually stop against UV
5:58protection. So, again, just a
6:00hypothesis, but we're going to jump into
6:01the video right now. I'll show you the
6:03befores and afters of every single decon
6:05step and then again we'll talk about my
6:07final thoughts. Stick around guys.
6:09Thanks. Okay, so here is the first area.
6:12It's under the mirror. This is not
6:14cleaned yet.
6:29Okay,
6:31[sighs] that's the one I found.
6:34Take you around. This is the one you saw
6:36in the one-year video. Uh, it's the
6:38lowers.
6:56Okay.
6:59Uh, apillar.
7:15There's that. And then the top part of
7:16the roof.
7:30Hopefully you can see that on camera.
7:32Let's foam it.
7:59Heat.
8:05Heat.
8:29All right. So, we have Koschi Multistar
8:32on there. 2 and a half ounces to about
8:35800 mls. Uh, that's my typical dilution.
8:38It's a heck heck heck of a strip wash.
8:41Um, so I have it on the roof and I'm not
8:45going to contact wash cuz this is kind
8:46of my preoam. So I do want to let this
8:48dwell for a while, as long as I can.
8:51It's pretty cold outside and uh
8:54definitely like a cooler day with no sun
8:57obviously. Um, so I'm going to let this
8:59dwell as long as possible to just eat
9:01away at any sort of contamination
9:04um
9:07and or uh you know quick detailers or
9:09things like that. This will break it
9:10down uh really really well. This is a
9:12killer killer strip wash. Um so we'll
9:15let it sit. Uh I'll come back to you
9:17kind of just before it dries. I'll show
9:18you the rinse off and we'll check the
9:19hydrophobics.
9:22All right, we're literally at um
9:26about 5 minutes. This stuff is still
9:29hanging on, which is awesome.
9:33I God, I love this stuff. Um so I'm just
9:36going to keep letting it cook. Uh it's
9:38drying in a couple Let's see. Yeah, it's
9:41drying in some areas. So, um I will
9:44rinse it off right now.
9:48Heat.
10:02Heat.
10:20Hopefully you can see that.
10:32Still slow sheeting.
10:46Yep. Still slow. So, we'll go into our
10:49iron.
10:51I just discovered another area that's
10:53struggling.
11:20Okay.
11:22All right. So, armor iron.
11:27Okay.
11:32I'm not doing the whole car. I'm just
11:33going to do the areas that are are
11:34struggling.
11:50Okay, we'll let that sit. Uh, I'll come
11:52to you at the rinse off. I'll give it as
11:55long as I can until it dries.
11:58All right, starting to dry. Um, I put
12:00this towel down to see if there was any
12:01contamination, if we'd see it. Um,
12:04unfortunately
12:05nothing.
12:17Still a slow sheeter.
12:22Yeah.
12:41Yep. No change.
12:53No change.
13:05No change. All right. This is
13:10What the heck is this?
13:12Um, garage therapy demineralization
13:16shampoo. One one to 100
13:20straight dilution.
13:22No
13:24changes.
13:26Oh god, I got to switch hands.
13:35Okay, we good. We good.
13:38Try not to fall here.
13:41So, we'll let that cook.
13:47Let me move the ladder.
14:01So again, I'll kind of leave that on.
14:03Let it cook.
14:07See, what's interesting is sometimes
14:09when you use an acid shampoo, you can
14:10kind of see the coating bouncing back.
14:12It kind of Let's see if we can Yeah. See
14:17See what happens. You see how the
14:19coating is um rejecting it? You see
14:22those circles
14:24forming?
14:27We're not seeing that in those areas.
14:30So, let's try
14:33try again.
14:36Okay.
14:50Okay.
15:09So, we'll let that cook for a little
15:10bit. I'll come back right before it
15:11dries and show you the rinse off. All
15:13right. Going to try one more thing.
15:15Inerggo.
15:17This is 125, which is a pretty strong
15:21dilution for this product.
15:28Okay.
15:30Mineral stain remover.
15:33All right. I'll come back when I'm
15:34spraying on the cart. Okay. Almost dry.
15:38Rinse.
15:48Not a
16:00nope.
16:02This is just some other soap.
16:10Oh, that was my car.
16:19Nope.
16:47All right, we'll try the water spot
16:49remover.
17:02This is pretty pretty aggressive stuff.
17:04So, I'm going to be kind of quick. I'm
17:06not going to let it dry.
17:27Okay. So, I'm going to do this. I'm
17:31going to polish the car anyways, so
17:32might as well. Let's rub it in.
17:36Okay.
17:40Okay.
17:50By the way, it does say to rub this in.
17:51I don't think it says with a your hand,
17:52but it says you can rub it in. So,
17:57and I can tell you right now there's no
17:59contamination. and I would feel it
18:00physical contamination, but I'll still
18:02clay it as our last step.
18:06All right, I'll come back to you right
18:07before we rinse. Okay, definitely don't
18:09want to let this stuff dry. So, it's
18:11been I don't know 30 seconds or so.
18:24Nope.
18:32Nope.
18:36Okay.
18:45Nope.
19:09Okay, let's clay. Okay, just going to
19:13use the acid shampoo as lubrication.
19:20Trying to hold my mic close. You There's
19:22nothing here. There's no contamination.
19:24So, I'm not pressing super hard. Just
19:26rubbing it over the surface gently.
19:32Don't hear any contamination up here.
19:35Sorry for the airplane noise.
19:38My shop is next to an airport.
19:45[clears throat]
19:48Okay.
19:58Okay.
20:24>> [sighs]
20:25>> Okay. [panting]
20:37Okay.
20:39Try to do this in one take for you guys
20:40so you don't think there's any hoie.
20:55Zero change. Wow.
21:10>> [sighs]
21:10>> Well,
21:31oh my god, I almost fell off the ladder.
21:47Oh boy.
21:52Stick with me till the end. Let's Let's
21:55discuss.
21:56Time to get roasted by the internet. Uh,
21:58one last thing. This is for the that
22:00commented and said I installed it wrong.
22:04So, this is the area like where I first
22:06applied it in the original video.
22:16Literally crushing it. So, I wiped that
22:18off in 30 seconds
22:22a year ago.
22:24It's It's crushing it. So,
22:29I'm going to put your little comment on
22:30the screen. Thanks, fella.
22:38There we have it. Um, sorry in advance
22:40if you hear noise. We're doing some
22:42construction next door. I'll try and
22:43turn on the um the um noise reduction
22:46setting. Uh, so you all saw that I went
22:49through the full decon method. The best
22:50that I know how to decon a car. you
22:52know, if a coating is clogged or
22:54starting to fail, hit it with the high
22:56alkaline, hit it with the iron remover,
22:58hit it with an acid shampoo, which is
23:01very aggressive. I don't know what the
23:03pH is on this, but I did it at their
23:04strongest dilution, which is 1 to 100 in
23:06the bucket. Uh, and then I even used a
23:09water spot remover. It's called mineral
23:10stain remover by Inerggo, uh, by Labo
23:13Cosmetica, one of the strongest on the
23:15market. I didn't go as far as to use it
23:16straight, but I used it at 1 to5, which
23:18is very aggressive. Um, and then I don't
23:22normally do it, but I I clayed it with a
23:24synthetic clay bar um with lubrication
23:28and I uncovered kind of a spot on the
23:30rear as well, the right rear quarter uh
23:33upper and and that was failing, too. So,
23:37[snorts and clears throat] you you can
23:38probably hear it in my voice. I'm like
23:39pretty perplexed. And, you know, I've
23:41stood behind the coding um this entire
23:44year and so many many many of you have
23:46bought it because of my videos and I've
23:48shown you kind of the performance. Now,
23:50um, this is my experience, right? Uh, it
23:53doesn't mean every coding will perform
23:55like this from from PAN. Um, I'm just
23:58showing you my update. I've been, I
23:59think, one of the longest people to show
24:01updates on it and continuously provide
24:04you feedback on it because I thought it
24:06was valuable to do. Uh, not not that
24:08many people are able to do longer term.
24:10It's funny, after my video came out, a a
24:13bunch of people published a video and
24:14then you haven't really seen much after
24:16that, right? So, I've wanted to give you
24:17this long-term feedback. I've been open
24:19and honest and I've praised his coding
24:21time and time again. It it was in my top
24:2325 video twice. Uh, it's been it's been
24:26excellent, right? But I think this is
24:27the other side of the coin where a lot
24:29of you have shared like how much you
24:30appreciate my honesty and my
24:32transparency and not saying every
24:34product is wild and oh my god this is
24:36amazing. I gave Pans credit where it was
24:39due in saying this is actually amazing
24:40and it's been holding up unbelievable.
24:43And then all of a sudden, uh, at, you
24:45know, month 14, we started to see this.
24:49Um, I couldn't revive it. I couldn't get
24:51it back. Uh, I don't grab this when I
24:53get out of the car. I I I I know I said
24:55in the other video, maybe I rub my leg
24:56on the lower. I do not. I can tell you
24:58right now, I've never rubbed my leg on
24:59the lower. I don't know what's going on
25:01on the side of the mirror over there.
25:02And then I don't know what's going on on
25:04the upper. Uh, I wash my car with the
25:05two bucket method. I've washed my car,
25:08you know, maybe 52 times in a year. I
25:09wash it pretty much weekly. Uh, I use,
25:12you know, lubricated products. Uh, I
25:14don't use anything aggressive, hot,
25:15super high pH, super low pH regularly
25:18when we do our decon washes. Maybe we do
25:20that. Um, but normally I just really
25:22wash it with like a a preoam, which is
25:24like a, you know, grios foaming surface
25:26wash for example, and then a pH neutral
25:28soap contact wash. Uh, and that's it.
25:31And here we are. So, would love to hear
25:33from you guys in the comments below.
25:35Please keep it, you know, please keep it
25:37professional, keep it appropriate. Um, I
25:39know there's a lot of people Pan catches
25:41a lot of flack and I mean, I'm not here
25:43to defend him. He's a big boy. But, um,
25:45I feel like a lot of people kind of
25:47wanted to see it fail. Um, now again,
25:49fail is a strong word. People would say,
25:52I've heard other companies say like,
25:53"Well, it's not failure. It's still
25:54there. The hydrophobic properties are
25:56gone, but it's still protecting." But
25:58what what is it protecting? And I mean,
26:00I guess if we get some bird poop and
26:02there's an etching, it's going to go
26:04into the coating and not the clear, but
26:05then I still have to polish. Like, for
26:08me, coatings, yeah, they're protection
26:11is a really strong word. I really like
26:13the hydrophobics and the ease of
26:15maintenance um and how easy they clean
26:18up. So, for me, that's the main value
26:20prop of a ceramic coating is you can,
26:22you know, spray and rinse your car and
26:23there's almost nothing left on the
26:24surface. Now, the water was evacuating.
26:27To be fair, the water was evacuating. It
26:29wasn't fully flooding, but it was slowly
26:32sheeting. So, the whole point of all
26:33this is like, hey, the water's still
26:35coming off, so that's totally fair,
26:37right? Like, it hasn't just, what's the
26:39right word? I guess it is sheeting. It's
26:41slowed down on its hydrophobics, right?
26:43But when we advertise this at we when
26:46they advertise this as like the best
26:48coating in the world, right? And like
26:49it's super super super crazy hydrophobic
26:52and it's supposed to last eight years. I
26:54don't know what that means. Is how it's
26:55supposed to last 8 years, right? Is is
26:57the surface level is it supposed to
26:59protect for eight years, but then the
27:01hydrophobics fail after a year? I
27:03[snorts] don't know, right? And that's
27:04the problem with lab testing and not not
27:05long-term testing coatings in the real
27:07world is you really don't know how
27:08they're going to perform. So, my
27:10hypothesis, I said it in the intro,
27:12maybe the UV here is just too strong for
27:15this. Um, it's it's very aggressive. But
27:17what I'm going to do next is I had
27:19talked about this in my last video. I'm
27:20going to polish this off and I'm going
27:22to apply about 12 to 13 coatings on the
27:24car and I'm going to do another year
27:25update video. So, we'll see my same
27:28conditions with like 12 or 13 other
27:30brands coatings and we'll see if we get
27:32any failures. Now, to be fair, they're
27:34going to be one coating per panel,
27:35right? So, it might not be the closest
27:37comparison. Um, but I think these are
27:39really cool tests to do. So,
27:42what does that mean for all of you who
27:44went out and bought it who have this on
27:45your cars? Nothing. Just continue to to
27:47to enjoy his coding. If it's holding up
27:49for you, great. Again, this is my
27:50conditions, my experience, but I thought
27:52that it was uh important for me to share
27:55the good with the bad, right? I've given
27:57a year of positive reviews. This is
27:59showing you what it's at after, you
28:01know, 14 months on the car. I'm not
28:03thrilled with that performance. This is
28:04$150 coating. I paid for this myself and
28:07here we are one year later and we're
28:09seeing sheeting in multiple spots and
28:11and it's new spots are popping up, which
28:13is crazy, right? Um that's it, guys. I I
28:16hope that was valuable for you. I hope
28:18that was transparent. again. Let's
28:19please keep it, you know, keep it decent
28:22in the commentary. Um, we'll see if Pan
28:24wants to comment on the video. I invite
28:26you to, Pan. I know you didn't comment
28:27on the last one cuz I said I didn't, you
28:29know, enjoy your full line. It is what
28:31it is. Uh, you know, I have I have
28:33respect for Pan. I I I learned a lot
28:35from him in the YouTube world. Um, but,
28:37you know, again, to be fair, we have to
28:39show the good with the bad. So, this was
28:41the review. So, I hope you all enjoyed
28:43that. Uh, please drop your comments uh
28:45down below. Um, this again was just my
28:48experience. So, thank you all for tuning
28:50in. We'll catch you in the next episode.
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