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0:00Bring it up, it's over. Bring it up,
0:02it'll be over.
0:04>> Can Can you Can you [music] Can you
0:06>> Can you calm down? You
0:07>> Let's just take a break. Therefore, the
0:10Islamic dilemma, which is on the table,
0:12has not been established.
0:13>> My friend, if the Bible scholars are
0:14right, the Quran is a lie. [music]
0:15>> Psalms 91 says he will be raised up.
0:17What do the Muslims believe? That he was
0:19saved by being taken up.
0:21>> Forgive me for assuming that you are
0:22Muslim knew the Quran. Forgive me.
0:24>> That's the point. The Bible has a bunch
0:26of contradictions. And if you want to
0:27convince [music] people to become
0:28Muslims, you'll be one of the best
0:29apologists for Christianity. You're
0:30going to drive them to Christ. You're
0:32talking to the OG G. Don't tell the OG
0:34how to establish the Islamic dilemma,
0:36[music] right? Can you just give me one
0:37prophecy?
0:38>> Okay, let me explain. I'll explain to
0:39you. Watch.
0:42>> Dr.
0:45Let's talk outside real quick. Are we
0:47going to talk have the debate?
0:48>> Yes. Yes.
0:49>> Stop this appeal to sympathy. You
0:52addressed it online. Let people judge
0:54whether I was wrong or not. Get to the
0:56topic.
0:57>> I will get to the topic.
0:58>> Okay. So, don't bring it up because I'm
0:59say I'm not gonna apologize because you
1:01don't know the context of my statement.
1:02>> This is a Christian platform, correct?
1:04>> So, he's appealing to Christianity.
1:06Christianity, you don't know that you
1:07>> make him apologize. He doesn't want to
1:09apologize.
1:09>> If you want to talk about insults, we
1:11can bring up your prophet insulting
1:12people.
1:13>> You can bring those things up.
1:14>> We can do that. So, let's get to the
1:16topic. For the love of your God,
1:18>> let's not play this game.
1:19>> It's not a game. I swear it's not a
1:20game.
1:21>> Okay, so let's get to the topic. This is
1:22about decency.
1:24>> Yeah.
1:24>> I'm telling him one more time, if he
1:26changes the topic, he can leave. There's
1:28no debate. You play these games. You can
1:30go.
1:30>> I I have I've definitely prepared a lot
1:32for this discussion. I'm very happy to
1:34have it.
1:34>> Want a debate or you can just
1:35>> I'm happy to talk about this topic. I'm
1:37very happy to talk about
1:38>> you. Bring it up, it's over. Bring it
1:39up, it's over. Bring it up, it'll be
1:42over.
1:42>> Do Okay. Can Can you Can you Can you
1:45>> There we go.
1:45>> Can you calm down?
1:46>> Let's just take a break. Take a break.
1:49I'll be back for the Mormons.
1:50>> Let's just take a break. Let's just take
1:51a break. Let's just take a break.
1:52>> I am h I prepared this. I'm ready to go.
1:54>> Okay, let's just take a break.
1:56>> I'll be back for the Mormon. Brian,
1:57>> hold on.
1:58>> Today we're going to be discussing the
2:00[clears throat] Islamic dilemma.
2:03>> Okay.
2:04>> Would you like to start, Sam?
2:05>> Sure. I mean, however he wants. He can
2:07lead it if he wants. Go
2:08>> ahead.
2:08>> Yeah. My my assertion is that the Quran
2:12depends on the Bible, not the other way
2:13around. You [clears throat] can't make
2:14sense of much of the Quran without the
2:16Bible. I mean, that's the assertion. So,
2:18if you want to go into examples, we can.
2:20That's up to you.
2:21>> Okay. So, uh, the Islamic dilemma, I
2:24will define it as like a promise, if you
2:26will. And what is the promise? The
2:28promise is that there are Christian
2:30preachers that say, "Listen, the
2:32Christian audience that are trying to,
2:34you know, evangelize and preach to their
2:36Muslim friends, they can grab a copy of
2:38the Quran and they can point to certain
2:40verses that are going to demonstrate
2:42that today's Bible is fully authentic."
2:44That seems like like they're promising
2:46this. They're saying, "Look, you can do
2:47this. This is what the Islamic dilemma
2:48is all about." Mhm.
2:49>> Okay. Now I want to differentiate that
2:52from the commentary dilemma. And the
2:54commentary dilemma I will concede. It's
2:56it's a mean by commentaries dilemma.
2:58>> Perfect. The commentary dilemma which is
3:00just I'm making this up so just just
3:01bear with me. Is just the idea of saying
3:04when we go into the commentaries of
3:06various Islamic scholars for the past
3:081400 years. You will find that some
3:10scholars will say it seems that the
3:12Bible is preserved and authentic. And
3:15there is the vast majority that will say
3:17no, there has been corruption. And we
3:19could go back and forth and say, well,
3:21some scholars say this and some scholars
3:22say that. And that could be turn into a
3:24commentary dilemma. [cough]
3:25But [clears throat] I just want to
3:26remind the audience
3:27>> that this is a promise of the what
3:29Islamic dilemma. It's about the Quran.
3:31And so I'm imagining a Christian
3:33audience at home waiting and saying,
3:34"Show me the verse." So I can go to the
3:36mosque and say, "This is the verse that
3:38proves that the Bible's authentic." And
3:40that's exactly what I'd like to uh
3:42address.
3:42>> That's fine. So, I'm going to show you
3:44that the Quran does confirm the Bible.
3:45But what I just said that the Quran
3:47depends on the Bible. Without the Bible,
3:49you can't make sense out of the Quran.
3:50So, you ready for some examples?
3:53>> Go ahead.
3:54>> In Surah Maida chapter 5 27-32. Can you
3:57read that for me?
3:58>> Chapter 5.
3:59>> Surah Maida chapter 5 27-32.
4:02>> Read that for me. You can read.
4:04>> And recite to them the story of the two
4:05sons of two sons of uh two sons of Adam.
4:08Adam's two sons in truth. When they both
4:10offered a sacrifice to Allah and it was
4:11accepted from one of them but was not
4:14accepted from the other, said the
4:16latter, I will surely kill you, said the
4:17former. Indeed, Allah only accepts the
4:19righteous. Uh, in other words, those who
4:21fear him.
4:22>> Keep going.
4:23>> Keep going. 32.
4:24>> If you should raise So, we're going to
4:25take our time. We're going to have a
4:26nice long. We're going to we're going to
4:27take our time. Sure.
4:29>> Conversation.
4:29>> Sure. Sure. If if it's long, I mean,
4:31this Okay. If you should raise your hand
4:33against me to kill me, I shall not raise
4:35my hand against you to kill you. Indeed,
4:36I fear Allah, Lord of the worlds.
4:38Indeed, I want you to obtain thereby my
4:40sin and your sin. So you be you will be
4:42among the companions of the fire and
4:44that is the recompense of the
4:45wrongdoers. And his soul permitted him
4:46[clears throat] to him the murder of his
4:48brother. So he killed him and became
4:50among the losers. Then Allah sent a crow
4:52searching in the ground uh to show him
4:55how to hide the disgrace of his brother.
4:56And he said, "Woe to me. I have failed
4:58to be like this crow and hide the body
5:00of my brother." And he became the of the
5:02regretful. Because of that, we decreed
5:04upon the children of Israel that whoever
5:06kills a soul, unless a soul, unless for
5:07a soul or for corruption done in the
5:10land, it is as he has slain mankind
5:12entirely. And whoever saves one, it is
5:14as as he has had saved mankind entirely.
5:17And our messengers had certainly come to
5:20them with clear proofs. Then indeed many
5:22of them even after that throughout the
5:24land were transgressors.
5:26>> Remember what my argument is? The Quran
5:29needs a Bible. Without the Bible, you
5:30can't make sense out of it. So from the
5:31Quran, who are the two sons? What are
5:33their names?
5:34>> Which? Okay, so I'm gonna answer. The
5:36Quran doesn't mention their height,
5:38their name, their eye color, their hair
5:40color. It just says two sons of Adam.
5:41>> Who killed who?
5:43>> Uh, one killed the other.
5:44>> Who are they?
5:45>> They are the sons of Adam.
5:46>> And who are they?
5:48>> Uh, that's that's what
5:49>> you don't have an answer. Good. No.
5:50Surah Maida 520 to 26. Read that for me.
5:55>> We're going to keep doing this.
5:56>> Yeah. Yeah. That's what I said. The
5:57crown.
5:57>> As long as we can go along because this
5:58is going to I guess if we just read it,
5:59it man. So you didn't have an answer cuz
6:01without the Bible, you can't answer
6:03that. So you're confirming my case. So
6:05now go to surah Maida 520 to 26.
6:07>> Does the Bible mention their height or
6:08their weight?
6:09>> What's that got to do with who killed?
6:10>> I agree. I agree.
6:11>> No, no, no. Don't attack straw man. Now
6:13you're a professor.
6:15>> So I'm going to ask you, professor.
6:16>> Yeah, sure.
6:17>> Don't attack straw man.
6:18>> That wasn't straw man.
6:19>> No one cares about Harry weight. We want
6:21to know their identity because we want
6:22to know who's guilty of what. What are
6:24their names?
6:24>> Uh actually their names aren't
6:26necessarily to to to teach the lesson.
6:28You don't need a name. That's not true.
6:30>> Yes, you do. If you're appealing to the
6:32people at that time, because it says the
6:34children of Israel, where do you find
6:35that command given to the children of
6:37Israel? Surah 5:32.
6:38>> Oh, here we go. Now, we're now Now we're
6:40going
6:40>> No, you're in the same passage because
6:41you're saying it need it doesn't. Yes.
6:43Because it assumes prior knowledge. That
6:46prior knowledge is the Bible. So, your
6:47Quran depends on the Bible. So, makes my
6:49case. So, I'm going to ask you in Sarah
6:515:32, where is that command found that
6:52was given to children of Israel? It's by
6:54God uh mentioning to in the Quran what
6:58he has done in history
6:59>> to the children of Israel. Read the
7:01verse.
7:01>> Yeah. Because of that we decreed upon
7:02the children of Israel. God can tell us
7:04that.
7:04>> Where is that? Where's that found?
7:05>> God is telling us in the Quran this is
7:07what he has done.
7:07>> But to the children of Israel, right?
7:08>> Yes. He has said that.
7:09>> So where in their source do you find
7:11that?
7:12>> Okay. I'm going to answer.
7:13>> Go ahead.
7:14>> God doesn't need to say when I created
7:19Adam, for example. By the way, let me
7:21give you the reference where I talked
7:22about creating Adam to different
7:23prophets. Isn't that my argument? I'm
7:25just giving example.
7:26>> He can simply say God can declare to his
7:29[clears throat] prophet Muhammad in the
7:30past I gave commands to the Israelites.
7:32That's what he's saying. This is what I
7:34commanded them.
7:34>> How do you confirm that he did?
7:36>> I'm saying that do you understand the
7:38Islamic dilemma?
7:40>> You want to teach me it?
7:41>> No. I think you're the you're the OG.
7:43>> Don't attack. You're the You're like the
7:45You're the captain. You're the captain
7:46of the ship.
7:47>> Don't attack Roman. you're making my
7:49case without realizing it because this
7:51assumes prior knowledge of the previous
7:53scriptures so that the audience will
7:56know the detail by going to the Bible
7:58>> or if they don't or if they let me
7:59>> so then how can they confirm that?
8:01>> It's not saying you have to confirm
8:02anything.
8:03>> No, if I'm a Jew or I'm a Christian and
8:05I read that where am I going to go to
8:06confirm whether the Quran got it right?
8:08>> Not you have just inserted so many ideas
8:10that are not
8:12>> inserted in my 520 to 26.
8:14>> Can can you just take one second?
8:15>> Yeah, but you made my point but go ahead
8:17my case. What I'm saying is that nowhere
8:19in here does it say anything about the
8:22necessity to appeal to a certain group
8:24and then therefore getting
8:25>> repres May I may I just finish?
8:27>> No, just but I'm just trying we have to
8:29interact but I'd like to finish.
8:31>> Can you still man my position?
8:32>> I would like to finish my sentence.
8:34>> This is about the Islamic dilemma.
8:36>> Yeah.
8:36>> So that means there are Christian
8:38students of yours that really like you
8:39and appreciate you how much hard work
8:40you've done with your very I actually
8:42appreciate your smiling. You have a very
8:44nice smile. No, no, really really no. I
8:46I want to make because I don't want you
8:47to accuse me of cutting you off. We're
8:48good.
8:49>> Thank you. No, no. I I'm I'm I'm trying
8:50to make this I I really do want to make
8:52this a positive conversation. I agree
8:53with you. And all I'm trying to say is
8:55that if God declares to his prophet, the
8:59prophet Muhammad or any other prophet
9:01and says this is what I have done in the
9:02past, there's no need. You're you're
9:05you're inserting this idea that well
9:08that implies that he must have a
9:10reference and if he doesn't have the
9:11reference and there's a problem and I'm
9:13just simply saying or you could just
9:14take a plain reading of the text and God
9:16is saying this is what I've done in the
9:17past.
9:18>> You want to repeat my point again?
9:19>> You can repeat it.
9:20>> Okay. Because you just confirmed my
9:21point again. Sure. Okay. Let me repeat
9:23it again. Hopefully, we can stay on
9:24topic. You can steal man me.
9:27I'm not saying that the Quran has to
9:29tell you where it's at. What I'm saying
9:31is the Quran already assumes this
9:34information is known and you have access
9:36to it. Hence, the Quran presupposes the
9:39Bible.
9:39>> Good. Can I respond?
9:40>> Well, I didn't you I'm giving like two
9:42second response. Okay. Now, can you
9:44steal my response? Steal my resp. What?
9:46>> No. No. I I I actually plan on asking a
9:48question.
9:48>> Yes.
9:49>> Why does it have to Can Man, I wish you
9:51didn't. Can you just say that last port
9:53question again? Can you repeat that?
9:54>> When the Quran mentions these stories
9:57without going into detail. Yeah.
9:58>> It's because the Quran already assumes
10:01prior knowledge of this information that
10:04people had access to. So the question is
10:06where do they find that information? In
10:08the Bible.
10:09>> Great. Now let's say God is speaking to
10:11You're right. There's a Christian
10:12audience, a Jewish audience, but there's
10:14also a pagan audience.
10:15>> Sure.
10:16>> They don't need any references. They can
10:17just see that God is revealing and
10:19telling his messenger.
10:20>> No, they would too. They would
10:22>> let me let me let me say there's nothing
10:23wrong with God saying this is what I've
10:26declared in the past to the Israelites.
10:28If a if a completely uh uh ignorant
10:31pagan audience hears that they don't
10:33need to insert everything you're you're
10:35just saying what all they have to do is
10:36say okay so God is declaring that this
10:38is what happened in the past. That's
10:39fair.
10:40>> Can I respond to that?
10:40>> Of course, please.
10:41>> For a pagan to know that Muhammad is not
10:43making it up about the tales of the Jews
10:45and Christians, who do they go to to
10:46confirm whether Muhammad got it right?
10:48>> Okay. that that in here there's no
10:51mention of confirmation. Would you like
10:52to go to some other verse?
10:53>> That's not what I'm No, let me repeat my
10:55question again.
10:55>> So I I can respond to it. I understand
10:57your question. You're saying that when
10:58God makes this declaration
11:00>> and the pagans hear it, right?
11:01>> The pagans are here
11:02>> about the Jews and Christians, right?
11:03>> At no point in this verse does he ever
11:05say, "Hey, pagans, make sure you
11:07>> still my argument because you keep
11:08misrepresenting it." Repeat my argument.
11:10I want to hear if you get it because you
11:11keep a
11:12>> Yeah, you're asking the question. I
11:14think you're asking maybe I'm not going
11:15to do a good job. I'll be honest.
11:16>> Okay. Maybe you're maybe what you're
11:18saying is I think what you're saying is
11:19that when they read this
11:21>> Yeah.
11:22>> and their goal is to look into history,
11:26right? Then who are they going to go to?
11:28Right. But the thing
11:29>> they want to know that Muhammad is not
11:30making it up,
11:30>> right?
11:30>> Yeah. So who do they go to
11:32>> in here in this particular verse? I'm
11:33just I'm just
11:34>> generally anything anytime the Quran
11:36because I I got dozens of examples. So
11:38anytime the Quran mentions the history
11:40of the Jews and Christians, how are they
11:41going to know Muhammad is right?
11:43>> Great question.
11:43>> Yes. Well answer. An individual can
11:46absolutely get up and say, "Let me go
11:48around the world and see what different
11:49people have said." You know, they could
11:50say, "Let's learn about Gilgamesh and
11:52how there was a flood story there."
11:53Anybody can do that. The Quran is not
11:55prompting any of this here. Now, show me
11:58where the Quran is prompting that and
11:59I'll do it.
12:00>> We're going to keep spinning in circles.
12:01So, if I'm a pagan, you're Muhammad.
12:03Yeah. And you say to me, "This is what
12:05the sons of Adam did." Well, how do I
12:07know you're not making it up?
12:08>> Yahoodi, come here. Is he making it up?
12:11No. Here's my Bible. Oh, the Quran
12:14doesn't need to tell them to go to the
12:16Bible. The Quran is assuming the
12:18audience will have access to prior
12:20knowledge of these events to see what
12:22this is talking about. That's why you
12:24don't get detailed explanations. Okay.
12:26>> Now, can I go to the second examp
12:29that's that's a great point.
12:30>> Yeah. Now, if Moses receives revelation
12:33and talks about the sons of Adam and
12:36apparently now they have to say, "Hey,
12:39go to some historical source that can
12:41confirm this." Who
12:43>> you want me to answer the question?
12:44>> Unlike the case of Muhammad, God
12:46appeared in a pillar of cloud in front
12:48of 600,000 people, not counting men and
12:51women. And the Egyptians saw it. So,
12:53when God is on a mountain, you hear his
12:54voice. You don't need to go to prior
12:57sources. God is the witness. God speak.
12:59No, we don't. Because you beg the
13:02question. You assume that God is
13:03speaking to Muhammad. I'm telling you he
13:04didn't.
13:05>> Stop assuming what you've yet to prove.
13:07>> I understand.
13:08>> Can we go to the second example?
13:09>> I Perfect. I just wanted to make it
13:10clear that yes, you said it is based on
13:14the authority of God. And I agree with
13:16that. It's based on the authority of
13:17God.
13:17>> And how does God then authenticate
13:18someone?
13:19>> That's and that. Well, let's let's find
13:20let's find the verse that you want.
13:21>> Can we can we go down to the second
13:22example?
13:23>> Please
13:24>> read for me. So I got a lot. So we're
13:25going to say you're going to be
13:26confirming my point. Your Quran needs my
13:28Bible over and over again. But same
13:30chapter Surah Maida read 20 to 26.
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14:38get back to the show. When Moses said to
14:40his people, "Oh my people, remember the
14:42favor of Allah upon you when he
14:45appointed among you prophets and made
14:46you possessors and gave you that which
14:50uh he had not given anyone among the
14:52worlds. Oh my people uh enter the holy
14:54land which Allah has assigned to you and
14:57do not turn back from fighting in
14:59Allah's cause and thus become losers."
15:01They said, "Oh Moses, indeed within it
15:04is a people of tyrannical strength and
15:06indeed we will never enter it until they
15:08leave it. But if they leave it, then we
15:10will enter. Said to men from the from
15:12those who feared to disobey upon whom
15:15Allah had bestowed favor, enter upon
15:17them through the gate. For when you have
15:19entered it, you will be predominant and
15:22upon uh and upon Allah rely if you
15:24should be believers. They said, "Oh
15:26Moses, indeed we will not enter it ever
15:28as long as there are they are within it.
15:30So go you and your Lord and fight.
15:32Indeed we are remaining right here."
15:34Moses said, "My Lord indeed I do not
15:36possess except myself and my brother."
15:38Another very beautiful verse. So part of
15:40uh from part of us uh so part us from
15:43the definely disobedient people. Allah
15:44said then indeed it is forbidden to them
15:47for 40 years in which they will wander
15:49through the land. So do not grieve over
15:51the divinely disobedient people.
15:54>> So they're going to enter what land?
15:57>> Uh did it define it here? I think it's
15:59uh Mubarak is mentioned somewhere else.
16:01The blessed land. Yeah.
16:02>> Where does the Quran mention? Jerusalem
16:03or Israel? I don't think the word
16:04Jerusalem is uh is in the Quran
16:06>> that says the land was ben the children
16:08of Israel is mentioned.
16:09>> That's different. That's because Jacob
16:10was called Israel.
16:11>> Yeah. I'm not I'm not making the claim
16:12that the land of Israel.
16:14>> So I wanted to know what land
16:15[clears throat] Allah gave as an
16:17inheritance of Israel. Where do I go to?
16:20>> Um this the Quran detail.
16:22>> So where do I go to?
16:24>> Allah can I answer you?
16:25>> Yeah I'm waiting. So when Allah says
16:28enter into a certain land, we are not
16:31told the parameters, the location, the
16:33longitudinal, latitude, latitudinal,
16:36these details are not given in the
16:37Quran. That being said,
16:40>> neither is it necessary. You're you're
16:41making the assumption necessary.
16:44>> One second.
16:44>> No, we can interact, but I'm letting you
16:46mid mid-sentence.
16:48If you can show me where the Quran is
16:51saying and you better get this
16:53information,
16:54>> therefore, okay, can we get it from the
16:55Quran? No. Can we get it from the
16:57prophet? No. Can we get it from the
16:58children of Israel?
17:00>> Now, now you have now you have now you
17:01have
17:01>> start chapter 17101 answers your
17:04dilemma. Read it for me.
17:05>> My goodness. Are we going to get to the
17:06Islam? I want to make something clear.
17:07>> This is part of the Islamic dilemma.
17:09You're in a dilemma. You need my Bible
17:10to make sense out of your Quran.
17:12>> You are assuming
17:14[laughter] one.
17:14>> You don't want to finish, do you? You
17:16are making these.
17:16>> I'm gonna let you make speeches and I
17:18make only 5-second comments. Can you go
17:20to surah?
17:21>> Yeah. Surah saw what?
17:22>> So now it's going to tell you that what
17:23you said that I don't need to go to the
17:24children's or no the surah chapter 17
17:28101.
17:28>> Thank you
17:31for me.
17:31>> Who do you ask when you need
17:33clarification for?
17:36Okay. Sorry. Uh and we certainly uh and
17:38we had certainly given Moses nine
17:40evident signs. So asked the children of
17:42Israel about when uh he came to them and
17:45Pharaoh said to him, "Indeed I think, oh
17:47Moses, that you are affected by magic."
17:50>> Who do you ask when you want
17:51clarification about things related to
17:52Israel?
17:53>> In this now we now we're nailed it.
17:55>> Well, I'd like to address this. So this
17:58is fantastic.
17:59>> Now we have finally gotten to a part
18:01that actually says,
18:04>> "Ask the children of Israel."
18:06>> Sure.
18:06>> So great. Yeah, there's nothing wrong
18:07with that.
18:08>> Now, when I want to know what land God
18:09gave to the Israelites, who do I ask?
18:12>> It doesn't say ask them about that.
18:13>> Oh, you mean it's only limited to the
18:14nine signs?
18:15>> I'm I'm trying to I'm sticking to the
18:16Quran. There's nothing wrong with God
18:19saying go ahead and ask the children of
18:21Israel about the miracles that they were
18:22given. That's fine.
18:23>> Okay. So, okay. But I I thank you for
18:25confirming the Quranic dilemma without
18:28you realizing. But thank you. Hopefully,
18:29you'll come back to the truth of Jesus
18:31Christ. Now, what's your question?
18:32>> My question. My question is, is there
18:35something wrong with the Quran saying
18:37ask them about the signs of Moses? Is
18:38there some What's the problem?
18:39>> No, it actually confirms the Quran
18:41depends on the Bible. That's the entire
18:42thesis of our discussion. So, I'm glad
18:44the Quran does that. That means you're
18:46stuck with my Bible, but I'm not stuck
18:47with your Quran.
18:48>> There's nothing wrong. You can there's
18:49there. Okay. So, let's let's use this
18:51rationale.
18:52>> God often says, "Ask the pagans this,
18:55ask them this. If" and even says, "If
18:57you ask them this, they will answer
18:58that." I'm sure the audience can pull up
19:00lots of verses. If you then want to say
19:02the Quran is now dependent upon pagan
19:06beliefs and so on so forth, it's just
19:08it's teaching you to interact with
19:09people and ask them questions and learn
19:10things about people.
19:11>> Not in that context. If you're asking if
19:13you're telling me what the Quran says,
19:14ask the pagans about this event. Then
19:16yes, the Quran is now dependent on that
19:19particular tradition to confirm what the
19:22Quran says is not a lie. So no, it
19:24actually confirms the opposite point
19:25that you're making. No, there's nothing
19:27wrong with asking a pagan something and
19:29then seeing where their answer goes and
19:31simply just having that interaction.
19:33>> If the pagan says that story didn't
19:34happen, it's a lie. Then what?
19:35>> Uh well, I don't want to go I don't know
19:36about this hypothetical situation you're
19:38getting into.
19:38>> So, I want you to ask me a verse because
19:39you said he had verses.
19:40>> I I would like you to Okay. So, I know
19:42you you are very confident that you just
19:44established the Islamic dilemma, but I'm
19:46I'm going to pretend that the audience
19:48is on my side just for a second. Okay.
19:50and uh you haven't brought a verse that
19:54actually shows that like I'm imagining
19:56again this young Christian man who
19:58really respects you he wants to walk
19:59into a mosque or talk to his Muslim
20:01friend and say this is the verse
20:04>> that shows that today's Bible is
20:06authentic now if he brings what you want
20:08me to bring
20:09>> just one second if he brings 17101
20:12>> and says see here is proof and evidence
20:15that Muslims you are encouraged to
20:18dialogue with the Isra ask them to ask
20:22them questions to ask them about the
20:23signs then for for you to then
20:25extrapolate and say and that is the
20:28evidence that is a 100% proof that the
20:29entirety of the Bible is authentic
20:31>> then that's clearly they're not going to
20:34>> let me ask you a question so you
20:35understand my argument because I don't
20:36think I'm clear enough for you to get
20:37it. If
20:40you're told to ask the children of
20:42Israel about the nine signs, but then
20:44their scriptur is corrupted, how can you
20:46trust them to tell you what the signs
20:47are when their source is defective?
20:49>> Fantastic. Good. I I would love to
20:51answer that.
20:52>> So, the good thing is that we do not
20:54make the claim that everything in their
20:56book is 100% inauthentic. We don't make
20:59that statement in Islam.
21:00>> Yeah, I know. In Islam, what we say is
21:02that it was revealed like a scripture
21:04was revealed to Moses to Jesus and that
21:07they have passed it on. Even though
21:09there are verses that clearly
21:10demonstrate that or uh corruption has
21:12>> we can get into that. I know what you're
21:13talking about. 279 379. We'll get there.
21:15>> Perfect. So despite the fact that there
21:17has been done, we are not claiming that
21:20everything they have uh they have with
21:21them is completely corrupted. So there's
21:23nothing wrong with us going up to these
21:25people and saying, "Isn't it the case
21:26that this has happened to you?" And if
21:28we look at the broader context, it's
21:29it's reminding them of the blessings
21:30that God has given and they know this.
21:31>> Okay. So now, how do you know those
21:34parts of their scripture
21:36>> is incorrupt? What do you use?
21:38>> The Quran.
21:38>> Exactly. Circular reasoning. Good job.
21:41So you Well, let me explain. You're
21:43absolutely right. I do depend upon the
21:45Quran. I do believe
21:46>> in a circular fashion because when the
21:47Quran needs to be bailed out, go ask
21:49them. But when it then contradicts the
21:51Quran, oh, that's when your scriptur is
21:52corrupt. Now, let me give you a verse
21:54about the Torah. That's what
21:55>> Let's start with the Torah. First of
21:56all, who's the Torah given to?
21:58>> Uh, Allah, excuse me. The prophet told
22:00us the Torah was given to Mus Alar.
22:02>> Can you give me the verse where it says
22:03the Torah was given the to Moses?
22:04>> I told you. The prophet said, "I can
22:06tell you the verse."
22:06>> Oh, wait, wait, wait. We start here.
22:08Well, no, no, no, no, wait, wait.
22:09Because if you're going to go to Hadith,
22:10we're going to have a field day. You
22:11began by saying you're going to stay
22:13with the Quran alone. Do you remember
22:14that?
22:14>> Uh, for the Islamic dilemma.
22:16>> Yes.
22:16>> Okay. So, stay with the Quran because if
22:18we go to the Hadith, you're going to
22:19make my case stronger. Can you show me
22:21in the Quran where it says the Torah is
22:23given to Moses?
22:24>> Okay. That's not the Islamic dilemma.
22:27>> You said I'm the granddaddy of the
22:29Islamic dilemma, right? [laughter]
22:30You don't tell the dude who's what it
22:32is. Yeah. Can you answer the question?
22:34>> So I I will answer the question.
22:35>> Show me where it is.
22:36>> The Quran refers to Musa Alam receiving
22:39a book, right? And then when you ask the
22:42question, well, which is this inki
22:45authentic? We have Mus Alam being told
22:48Moses being just one second. most
22:54that the Torah was sent upon you. So now
22:58again,
22:58>> you ready for the response?
23:00>> I I I'm not sure how you are
23:01establishing the Islamic dilemma.
23:02>> You ready for the response? Iban Kir and
23:04his ex Jesus quoting Bkari
23:07757
23:09citing a passage that's not the Torah,
23:12but it's resembles Isaiah. And he says
23:14that in the understanding the caf the
23:17Torah was used for all the scriptures of
23:20the people of the book not just the
23:21books of Moses. That's why I say don't
23:23go to the hadith. You're going to make
23:24my case. So do you agree
23:26>> according to the Salaf the word Torat
23:28was not limited to the books of Moses
23:30but all the scriptures?
23:31>> Yes. So I I can ask you.
23:33>> Okay. No, but do you agree?
23:34>> I'm answering you.
23:35>> Okay. Go ahead.
23:35>> Thank you. Thank you. So uh we know that
23:38the word Torah could be translated as
23:40law or instructions, right? So it could
23:42be a reference to specifically what was
23:44given to Moses. And you're right that
23:46amongst the set there is a there is a
23:48quote that is talking about how this law
23:52could be used or this term Torah could
23:54be reference to the law in general. So
23:55it could be specific
23:56>> not law in general. It says the
23:57scriptures.
23:58>> Jewish law, excuse me.
23:59>> No, no, not Jewish law. Scriptures.
24:00Because I'm going to bring it up if you
24:02don't want to bring it up.
24:03>> You can bring up whatever you like. My
24:04point is that this doesn't establish the
24:05Islamic dilemma in any way whatsoever.
24:07>> You can you can keep saying that. That's
24:08fine. I'm not here to convince you. Do
24:10you agree
24:12that when you go outside of the Quran,
24:14the Torah now refers to the scriptures
24:17and the possession of Jews and
24:18Christians? Or then do I need to bring
24:19out the references?
24:20>> May I answer?
24:21>> Can you answer?
24:22>> Yes, I'm waiting.
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25:15>> So, we know that the Torah can be a
25:18reference to what was revealed to Moses.
25:19That's usually how it's used. But since
25:21it also means law and instruction, it's
25:23often colloially colloquially used in
25:26the sense to mean what? That this is the
25:29Jewish law more broadly. And yes, you
25:31have a quote from the Salaf that's
25:32mentioned that affirms this idea
25:35>> and that's fine. No,
25:36>> but do you agree? You still didn't say
25:38scriptures. You kept saying law.
25:40>> Do you agree with the Salaf? The word
25:43Torat refers to the scriptures of the
25:45Jews and Christians. You still didn't
25:46answer that. You said Jewish.
25:48>> I'm going to try to answer.
25:49>> Yeah. Well, this is the third attempt.
25:50>> Okay. As the prophet sallallam defined,
25:54>> the Torah is exactly what was sent to
25:56Moses. But since that term, okay, can be
25:59used more broadly, that's not a big
26:00deal.
26:00>> Okay, so you agree
26:01>> that it can be used more broadly. Your
26:03your quote I I'm not against it.
26:04>> So you just confirmed two points of
26:06mine. Number one, you can't Well, yeah.
26:08I mean, you can laugh.
26:09>> Go ahead. I didn't interrupt. I don't
26:10want to interrupt.
26:10>> No, sir. Number one, you can answer from
26:12the Quran even though you began by
26:13saying you're going to stick with the
26:14Quran.
26:15>> It's okay. I want you to go to Hadith
26:16because you're going to make my case. I
26:18would love for you go to Hadith and your
26:19scholars,
26:21but let's come back here. [laughter]
26:23>> Okay.
26:25Go ahead.
26:26>> Okay.
26:27[laughter]
26:28Yeah. Well, we have a different concept
26:30of we can talk about that. Okay. Now,
26:31coming back to the issue.
26:32>> Yeah.
26:33>> You didn't stick with the Quran.
26:34Beautiful.
26:35>> For what? For the definition of Torah.
26:36Sure.
26:37>> Yeah. And then but when you go outside
26:38the Quran now, the Torah is not just the
26:40books given to Moses. It's all the
26:41scriptures.
26:42>> The word if you want to use the word
26:44linguistically.
26:44>> Okay.
26:45>> Okay. Now, can I can I just can I just
26:46make a comment?
26:46>> Let me bring up the because I have to
26:48maybe have to prove it to him.
26:49>> I'm going to I'm going to grant you
26:50everything you're saying and I don't
26:51have a problem with it.
26:52>> All right.
26:52>> Right. Actually, you know what? Can I
26:54make a one quick tangent point? For
26:56sure.
26:56>> This is going to be a funny hopefully.
26:57All right. This is not a trick question.
26:58It's a very straightforward question.
26:59Don't
26:59>> ask me. Yeah.
27:00>> Quick tangent. Um
27:01>> uh you believe that obviously you have a
27:03biological father, correct? And
27:05obviously
27:05>> hopefully I do.
27:06>> And obviously you believe in
27:08>> the aliens inseminate my mother. I don't
27:10know.
27:10>> Thank god. So you have a biological
27:12father, right? You also have a um what's
27:14it called? Heavenly father when you say
27:15our father who art in heaven. You
27:16believe that? Of course. Right.
27:17>> Sure. Right. And you also I believe
27:19you're Catholic. So I believe you call
27:20your priests a father. Correct.
27:22>> Okay. Okay.
27:23>> Yes. So you do acknowledge that even the
27:25term father can be used in a literal
27:28biological sense or in a divine sense or
27:30in a figurative sort of like leader
27:32religious leader sense. Yeah.
27:34>> If you were there when God logic was
27:36here you would have saved us an hour.
27:38>> Thank you. You remember that
27:41any sense? In any sense. He just kept
27:44saying it over an hour. You want me to
27:45address that point?
27:46>> No. No. Well, I'm I'm I'm glad I can
27:48address it for him. All I'm trying to
27:50say is thank you for acknowledging thank
27:52you for acknowledging that a term like
27:53father can be used in multiple sense
27:55senses and so I'm simply saying that
27:57when you want to use the word Torah yes
28:00the I've already said this I've said
28:01this you have to force it out of you
28:03because you're saying Jewish law being
28:04honest you're forcing me right
28:06>> Torah is what Moses received but if you
28:09want to use it linguistically it could
28:10be a reference as you said the use it
28:12more broadly
28:13>> can you read that what it says in iba
28:14>> okay I'm going to read it and then I'm
28:16going to make a comment please let me
28:17make my comment after
28:17>> we'll let you make comments And I'm just
28:19enjoying.
28:19>> It was common in the speech of our setup
28:20that they Yeah, I know this quote. I've
28:21seen it.
28:21>> No, read it so they can hear it.
28:22>> I'm sorry. It was common in the speech
28:24of our that they describe the books of
28:26the people of the two scriptures of the
28:28Torah as some hadith concur. Yes. Okay.
28:30>> Okay. So, it's not just the books of
28:32Moses.
28:33>> It was common. Yes. In this common
28:34usage,
28:35>> it's quoting the hadith of Bkari, by the
28:36way, where it's referring to Isaiah 42.
28:38But go ahead.
28:39>> Because the word Torah means
28:40law/instruction, then this range of
28:43meaning can be used. But we do know that
28:45obviously Oh, please, please, please,
28:46please, please,
28:47>> buddy. I haven't been cutting you off.
28:49>> But but obviously the Torah was revealed
28:52to Moses as I gave you the reference
28:53for. Now No, before you
28:55>> You can't get that from the Quran,
28:56right?
28:56>> I You just told me I can finish make my
28:58point now. I I said I'd read it. Yes.
28:59You said I can read your quote and I can
29:01make my point. Go ahead.
29:02>> Thank you.
29:02>> That's a dialogue, brother. We have to
29:03dialogue. You know, a monologue.
29:05>> If I want a monologue, I'll hear one of
29:06your lectures when you give a But go
29:08ahead.
29:10>> So, so just to be clear, let me just put
29:11a conclusion on this if that's okay with
29:12you.
29:13>> Go ahead. In conclusion, I'm sorry. If a
29:17Christian goes up to a Muslim and says,
29:18"Here's the knockdown evidence that
29:20everything in the Torah or in the Bible
29:22more specifically is 100% accurate. I
29:25don't think this is going to help them."
29:26>> Okay, you made a lot of assertions and
29:28you gave not a cintella proof. Let me
29:30deal with your false analogy. Which
29:32Catholic
29:35says [clears throat] that the 66 books
29:38that the Protestants hold in common with
29:40the Catholics, they're corrupt and
29:41unreliable? the the ones that say that
29:43it's missing. It's missing.
29:44>> That's not corruption. Missing is not
29:46corruption. Let me repeat my question
29:47again.
29:48>> Still, let me let me let me clarify.
29:49>> Missing if it's is is guidance
29:51important. Are books of the Bible
29:53important? Sure.
29:53>> Of course they are. Right. So if you
29:55take chunks out of it, that's going to
29:57be deficient.
29:58>> Okay. So now let me turn your analogy
30:00against you. So you just established not
30:02the Torah is corrupted,
30:04the Torah is incomplete, but what is
30:06there is not corrupted. Because if your
30:09analogy works, I want you to hear
30:11yourself.
30:12If your analogy works, whatever the
30:14Torah they had, unccorrupt, pure, but it
30:17was simply incomplete, but it was
30:18complete enough to guide them. So what
30:21was that Torah that they have at that
30:22time?
30:22>> You you so you made the assertion that's
30:24enough to guide them. No, look, let's
30:25read the word.
30:26>> That's what the Quran says.
30:26>> Let me just say let me say what it says.
30:28You know what the word means? You know,
30:31>> you know what that that is?
30:32>> Superlative. It is more guiding.
30:35>> More guiding.
30:35>> More guiding than what?
30:36>> Than the paganism.
30:37>> Okay. So what was the Torah that was
30:39more guiding than the paganism? uh the
30:40book that you guys have. Oh, excuse me.
30:42>> So, it existed at that time.
30:43>> So, I'm explaining I'm explaining
30:46>> the Torah that was revealed to Moses
30:49pristine throughout history corruption.
30:52>> The Quran comes to make conscious edits
30:55which are very clear.
30:57>> Now, God is simply telling pagans that
30:59look
31:00>> these books are more guidance than what
31:02you have
31:03>> and you're asserting this means it's
31:05100% accurate. Now, I'm I'm happy that
31:07you have that assertion. I'm saying that
31:09the audience, the Christian audience,
31:10when they're they're like, "Should I
31:11write down 2848?"
31:13>> You keep repeating that as a mantra. Can
31:14we cut to the chase, get to the point?
31:16>> So, do you acknowledge, uh, buddy, it's
31:18not enough for you? That's fine. That's
31:20between [laughter] you and your Lord on
31:21the day of judgment. While I'm talking
31:23to you, I'm just asking you.
31:25>> So, people hear it because you speak too
31:26fast. So, you admit No, I'm just I want
31:28to hear it that at least you're
31:30conceding that the Torah they had at
31:33time what I have today.
31:34>> I'm not saying it's uncrup. We're going
31:36to get there step by step. I'm I'm
31:38saying so what did they have?
31:39>> I'm saying that what is being confirmed
31:41is better guidance than what the pagans
31:43have.
31:43>> That's not my question. Do I need to
31:44repeat it a fourth time?
31:45>> No. No. You just made an assertion about
31:47>> what did they have at that time that was
31:49the Torah? Is it what I have today? I'm
31:51not saying it's uncorre
31:58I'll tell you what they had. Your
32:00Quran's going to tell you. It's going to
32:01answer for you. Go to Surah Maida 5:45.
32:04Read it for me.
32:05>> 45. Perfect.
32:06>> It's going to tell you what it had. So,
32:07let's I'm I'm still waiting for the
32:08Islamic land.
32:09>> Oh, you're going to get it. Shish kebab
32:10[laughter] and barbecue time. 5:45
32:14laughing. Come on. [laughter]
32:18>> Kebab. Yeah, kebab. You see, I'm fat.
32:24>> I'm not going to read the Arabic. Okay.
32:25Uh, and we ordained for them therein a
32:28life for a life, an eye for an eye, a
32:30nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a
32:32tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is
32:34legal retribution. For whoever gives up
32:37his right as charity, it is an expation
32:38for him. And whoever does not judge by
32:41what Allah has revealed, then it is
32:43those who are wrongdoers.
32:44>> So whatever the Torah was, it tells you
32:46that it contains this passage that's in
32:48Exodus 22 21:22 to2. So I don't need to
32:51go to time machine. The Quran brought
32:53the time machine to me.
32:54>> Perfect.
32:55>> So we know what it is. Okay. Now read
32:5746. Oh, no, no, no. I'm not done yet.
32:58I'll let you preach. Can you read 46?
33:00>> You let me read the passage.
33:01>> Okay. But no, no. prior to that if you
33:03look at the time you speak more than me
33:05which I don't mind.
33:06>> I'm trying to you said I speak I got to
33:08go slower for your sake for everybody's
33:09sake. Okay.
33:10>> So, just to be clear,
33:11>> yes,
33:12>> this is affirming that this is what was
33:13revealed to them and you're saying,
33:14"Look, we can still find an exit." To
33:16which I say, "Fantastic. I'm glad that
33:18part was maintained."
33:19>> But if you read 46, it's going to make
33:21>> right. So, we moving away. Every time we
33:22go to one, we have to move to the next.
33:24I'm just waiting for the actual
33:24>> I'm giving you the context. I want you.
33:26No, you're doing great. Let's go. Let's
33:27go for it. Allah says what? Uh, yes. 46.
33:30>> 46. And we sent following in their
33:32footsteps Jesus the son of Mary
33:34confirming that which came before him in
33:36the Torah.
33:37>> Give the Arabic and translate for them
33:38what it says.
33:46translate it literally for them.
33:47>> Let's go. And we uh Yeah, sure. Uh and
33:50we sent following in the footsteps uh
33:53Jesus in their footsteps, excuse me.
33:55Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that
33:56which came before him.
33:58>> That's not the translation. Translate
34:00literally for me.
34:00>> Okay. So, now now we're getting into it.
34:02Thank you. Thank you. We're getting into
34:04it. The word bay. Is that what you're
34:05getting at? No, I just want you to
34:07translate it because I didn't make my
34:08point yet. Please don't preach it. Let's
34:09forget the verse. Translate it
34:11literally. So I don't think I'm
34:12misrating.
34:13>> Bane means between.
34:14>> Okay.
34:15>> His hands, right?
34:16>> Means uh uh B. Well, so the the question
34:18is was he? But let's say between the
34:21hands because the thing is who's the he
34:23in this case the the that is a little
34:25bit ambiguous but anyway that's fine. So
34:27whatever Tori had at that time, right?
34:29>> And what's the context of this
34:30discussion?
34:31>> Why is Jesus been mentioned? No, no. I
34:33want to because the concept is in 43.
34:35But I want to know if you know the
34:36context.
34:36>> Can Can we Can we Can Can I just address
34:38cuz you you're making a big deal about B
34:39day. It's important that people
34:40>> That's not even I just want people
34:42>> You made me translate it, but now can I
34:43explain it?
34:44>> Well, I mean, if you want me to get to
34:45the point because if you keep
34:46explaining, we're not going to get to
34:47the point, but go ahead.
34:48>> Thank you. This is this is an important
34:50caveat here.
34:52>> Yeah.
34:53>> Technically means between the hands,
34:54let's say, right?
34:55>> So you that's literal. Good.
34:57>> That's the literal translation.
34:58>> Now, this is beautiful that we're
34:59speaking in English because in English
35:01there is also an ambiguity. This is an
35:04expression that means the word before.
35:06And the reason why I say that is because
35:07the word before has a dual meaning. I
35:10could I can say that this
35:13>> having you up.
35:13>> Yeah. Yeah. I I can say that this laptop
35:15is before me as in between my hands in
35:17front of me. But it can also mean uh Sam
35:20got to the studio before me, meaning
35:22prior to me. Right. Good stuff. So
35:25because this has the range of meaning,
35:28it absolutely does not uh cannot be used
35:31to restrict it to one meaning. And
35:34therefore if we affirm in this verse or
35:37any other verse that revelation was sent
35:39before
35:40>> and you're saying well wait a second is
35:41this before me like in front of my hands
35:43or before me like prior to me your
35:46Islamic dilemma won't work because you
35:48>> don't even know what I'm going to argue
35:49from this. You're already assuming I
35:50know what you think you're playing
35:51chess, but I'm going to
35:53>> be patient. Yeah, my brother.
35:55>> I just want to make sure everybody
35:56understands Ben means before and before
35:57has a dual meaning. Can't be restricted
35:58to one.
35:59>> Not in that Arabic text.
36:00>> Can't be restricted to one,
36:00>> but not in that text. It's like I can
36:02give you Muhammad Assad, but we're not
36:03going to go to scholars. That's my
36:04scholarship. Trump, your scholar. No,
36:05that's not what it means. But that's
36:06fine.
36:07>> That's not my argument in the context.
36:09Why is Jesus being mentioned at the time
36:11of Muhammad to the Jews? What's the
36:14context? You know the context of
36:16>> we just read it. Verse 45.
36:17>> But can you repeat it? You want to read
36:19the verse again? Go ahead. Just just
36:20make your point. I I read you asked me
36:21to read the context is a rebuke to the
36:24Jews. Don't come to Muhammad. Go to the
36:26Torah. Why? Because this is the Torah
36:28that was used by the prophets, rabbis.
36:30It was used by Jesus and he confirmed
36:32it. What Old Testament did or Torah did
36:34Jesus confirm?
36:36>> I'm sorry. What Torah did?
36:39>> Where are you getting any of this from
36:39the text?
36:40>> For verse 43, friend.
36:42>> No, you we're doing a lot of jumping.
36:44When we When we Where you going to land?
36:47Can we land?
36:48Which verse? Which verse is a Dream? Do
36:50me a favor. Which verse?
36:51>> Stop the preaching.
36:53>> I'm being I'm not Dreamian. Stop.
36:54>> Why did we come to 45 46? We're going to
36:56go to 43.
36:57>> Because I can follow the arguments. I'll
36:58help you follow along,
36:59>> please.
36:59>> Because I use 45 to show you whatever
37:02Torah they had has a verse that we can
37:06now verify to see if that verse is in my
37:08Torah today.
37:09>> I can see that. Yeah.
37:09>> Number one. So then I want to establish
37:11because you're saying I haven't. I'm
37:13establishing it. So my question is why
37:16is Jesus being mentioned
37:18in the context of the Torah saying that
37:21this is the Torah he had before him?
37:23What's the context? Why is the Quran
37:25mentioning that?
37:26>> To let us know that we sent following
37:28their footsteps Jesus son of Mary
37:30confirming that which came before him in
37:31the Torah. So that we know it. So that
37:32we learn this. If you like what?
37:34>> So that we learn about this is teaching
37:36us what happened in
37:37>> No, the context is 43 which you haven't
37:39read.
37:39>> Great. Let's go to it. I'm happy to go
37:41wherever you like but you're not
37:42>> 43 48. I don't know. I know you keep I'm
37:43not repeating. Yeah. Keep saying. I'm
37:45not I'm not confirming it. That's okay.
37:47You can live in that world of yours. But
37:48let's read it.
37:49>> I'm I'm very comfortable in my world and
37:51I am waiting for the Islamic dilemma.
37:54>> Oh, we've been I've been given it for
37:55the last hour, but it's okay. Keep
37:56going.
37:56>> If you did, then we wouldn't Okay, let's
37:57keep going.
37:58>> 40, my friend.
37:59>> Perfect. Now, we're getting This is This
38:00is This is fantastic. What about
38:06>> Now we're getting somewhere.
38:07>> Yeah.
38:07>> And how is it that they come to you for
38:09judgment while they have the Torah?
38:11>> Yeah. in which is the judgment of Allah.
38:14>> Yeah.
38:15>> Now, see, now we're getting somewhere.
38:16>> Keep reading.
38:17>> Okay. Uh then they turn away even after
38:19that. But those are not in fact the
38:21believers. Good.
38:22>> Okay. So, now that we read the context,
38:24it's telling the Jews go to the Torah.
38:26And then what does it present to them
38:28why they should go to the Torah?
38:29>> I I do you do realize that when you say
38:31it's talking about the context that came
38:33everything you just we just quoted was
38:34after this. So when usually when they
38:36say context, you're saying before this.
38:37>> My apologies. I assume that you knew the
38:39Islamic dilemma because you've been
38:40studying it, right? You've been saying
38:42that, right? I'm the granddaddy. So, I
38:44thought you knew this.
38:44>> I said, "Oh,
38:45>> forgive me. I thought you knew the
38:47context." But nonetheless,
38:49>> in this context, why is Jesus being
38:51mentioned? Then it mentions the prophets
38:53and rabbis. What point is the Quran
38:55trying to drive to the Jews?
38:58>> Would you like to answer?
38:59>> I've been waiting.
38:59>> Okay, fantastic. So in this particular
39:01verse, Allah is saying, "And how is it
39:04that they come to you for judgment while
39:05they have the Torah in which is the
39:07judgment of Allah?" This is now you've
39:09landed on something that the Muslims do
39:10scratch their heads about. You're
39:11perfectly fine. Now, let me offer you a
39:14very simple common sense analogy.
39:16[laughter]
39:17>> I hope you answered the question. I
39:18swear I've been waiting.
39:18>> Sure, sure, sure. I'm going to I'm going
39:19to I just want to make sure that it's
39:20clear to the audience
39:22>> that this is a question and so I'll give
39:23an analogy. Let's say if somebody is
39:27says, "I am undefeable when it comes to
39:29one-on-one basketball. Can't be beaten,
39:30right? I'm the best." And then you see
39:32him lose. So you walk up to that guy and
39:35you say the words, uh, "How is it that
39:37you just lost and you're undefeable?"
39:39Now listen to the wording carefully. How
39:41is it that you just lost and you're
39:43undefeable? Somebody could take that
39:44sentence say, see, you do agree I am
39:47undefeable. But it's like, no, man. I'm
39:48asking, how do we reconcile two ideas?
39:51Right? So this verse is simply asking
39:53the question, how do you reconcile these
39:55two ideas? How is it possible that
39:59you're you have this claim? We have the
40:01full Torah with us. We have God's
40:02judgment.
40:02>> I didn't make that claim. I asked you
40:04what's the context? Why are they
40:05appealing to the prophets and Jesus? You
40:06didn't answer the question.
40:08>> This is how it's been for the last hour.
40:09You don't answer questions. You go on
40:10tangent. So I'm gonna ask the question a
40:12fifth time.
40:12>> Sure.
40:13Why is the Quran mentioning the
40:16prophets, the rabbis, and Jesus
40:20appealing to the Torah for
40:22[clears throat]
40:23their decisions in the context of the
40:26Jews coming to Muhammad? I'm still
40:28waiting for that answer. You keep going
40:29on here and here and no, it doesn't.
40:31>> Hold on. Hold on. What's the Are Are you
40:33quoting this this verse?
40:35>> 43 to 48. But we you I thought you knew
40:37the context, but Okay, my brother, new
40:39humanity, don't stop at 43. Read 44 to
40:4146. Good. Because I guess we got I just
40:44want I just want to make sure that the
40:45audience knows that 43 does not confirm
40:48the Islamic dilemma.
40:50>> It actually pulverizes your objections
40:51against it. But if you just answer
40:53questions, we haven't even gotten there
40:54cuz we have to go on to this analogy
40:56here, analogy there, and oh, hey, look
40:58at the birdie over there.
41:00>> Let's do this cuz it is getting like
41:02flated with time.
41:04>> Can you ask your question one more time
41:06and then answer because I haven't even
41:08gotten to a cintilla of the verses that
41:10I want to. I got too many. But I'm
41:12trying to walk you through it because
41:13you said I'm the OG. So the OG is trying
41:14to walk you through it. Now
41:16>> in the context that Jesus was mentioned
41:19and then prior to that prophets are
41:21mentioned. Yes. Who judged by it?
41:23>> What is the Quran's point? What is it
41:26trying to get to the Jews by mentioning
41:28the prophets and Jesus appealing to the
41:30Torah? The verses that we read earlier
41:34>> were emphasizing that they had
41:36revelation and that they judged by it
41:39and Allah is informing us what happened
41:40in the past and then telling us about
41:42Jesus, how he came and how he applied
41:45the law of God in the past.
41:48>> None of this except this one.
41:49>> You keep saying none of it. But why is
41:52he saying Well, no, hold on. You've been
41:54talking, but you got to answer.
41:55[laughter] Why is he saying Jesus
41:58appealed to the Torah? What's the point
41:59he's trying to make to the Jews?
42:01>> That
42:02>> not to you that's saying it doesn't
42:03confirm the Islamic dilemma.
42:04>> That Jesus confirmed the Torah. That's
42:07>> for what reason?
42:08>> Because it's God's law.
42:10>> And what is he trying to convince the
42:11Jews to do
42:12>> where
42:13>> in 43 to 48?
42:14>> 43 exactly.
42:16>> So what is the point? That's a six times
42:18answer. No,
42:18>> but you you you you ask like a bunch of
42:21questions that are sort of unrelated.
42:22>> Turn connected. No to you. They may be
42:24disconnected.
42:24>> I'm trying to I'm trying to get to your
42:26point.
42:26>> So you going to answer it?
42:27>> Yes. Sorry,
42:28>> this verse is asking a question and
42:30highlighting the fact that they are
42:32making the claim that they have the full
42:34Torah and yet they are going to the
42:35prophet as well.
42:36>> You even added to the text. They didn't
42:37make no claim. They said, "Why do they
42:39come to you for judgment? You're even
42:41misrepresenting the context. They went
42:42to Muhammad for a legal issue."
42:45>> Correct. Now, if you want to go to your
42:47commentators is because someone
42:48committed adultery.
42:49>> Okay. Okay. So, it's not saying we have
42:51the full Torah. They're trying to ignore
42:53the Torah. It's your prophet saying you
42:55better go to the Torah.
42:57>> No. Read it. It's a question.
42:59>> It's a question asking how is it the
43:01case? [laughter]
43:02>> Yeah.
43:03>> How is the case? What?
43:04>> How is it the case?
43:05>> Yes.
43:06>> That they're coming to you and they have
43:09>> the Torah that has the judgment of God.
43:12>> Thank you for confirming my point so I
43:14can answer the question.
43:15>> Yes.
43:16>> I did it, but I'll do it again.
43:17>> No, no, no. The question of why appeal
43:19to the prophets and Jesus
43:22to the Jews at the time Muhammad, what
43:24is it trying to get to? Now, if you
43:25don't know the answer, I'll give it to
43:26you and then you can try your best to
43:27refute it because I'm still waiting for
43:28the answer.
43:29>> Do you know the answer?
43:30>> Are you good?
43:31>> No, just go ahead. Do you think
43:33>> the reason why the prophets rabbis are
43:35Jesus mentioned is to tell the Jews if
43:37the Torah was good enough for them to
43:39judge by, it's good enough for you. So,
43:41I'm going to ask you something in that
43:43chain of transmission from Jesus to the
43:45prophets to the Jews. When did
43:47corruption take place?
43:49>> Okay. Are you good?
43:50>> You going to answer though? We're not
43:51going to give us a 10-minute job.
43:52>> Just cut the fluff of like, "Are you
43:54gonna answer? Let's just like" And then
43:55you're like, "Are you good? Are you
43:57good?" Like,
43:57>> because he cuts me off a lot. I don't
43:59know why you don't see him cutting me
44:00off.
44:00>> I just I just criticized him, too. I
44:02said, "Hey, like are you going to
44:03answer?" Okay. Do you know what my
44:04question is repeated? I want you to go
44:06on another
44:07>> Well, the thing is your question has a
44:09whole bunch of assertions.
44:11>> Just repeat what my question was.
44:12>> You're saying so given the fact that
44:14it's saying that Jesus used the Torah
44:17and therefore it was good enough for
44:19him. Look, you're just making a bunch of
44:21>> finish my question
44:22>> there. Therefore, why isn't it good
44:23enough for them? I'm explaining to you
44:25that
44:25>> that wasn't my question. So, now you I
44:27said, when did corruption take place?
44:30>> From the time of prophet,
44:32>> did Jeremy ask that question?
44:33>> That was his last question. Go ahead.
44:34That was the last question. Yeah, last
44:35question. After a bunch of
44:37>> after a bunch of I love you because
44:39you're a son of Adam.
44:40>> Allah, son of Adam. Yeah, son of Adam.
44:43>> Can you tell me? Okay, let's
44:45>> I'm following your trail now. I'm going
44:47to talk. I'm going to talk for a few
44:48seconds. Okay.
44:49>> Yeah.
44:50>> You quoted verse 45.
44:52>> Yes.
44:52>> Nobody can use that to prove that.
44:55Please, man.
44:56>> Nobody can use that to prove there. See,
44:58this is decisively concluding that
45:00today's Bible is is confirmed. 46. It
45:03didn't help you. You went to 43. That
45:04was your best shot. The problem is it's
45:06not an assertion. It's a question about
45:08a contradictory behavior. That's it.
45:10>> Okay. So, now
45:11>> so now there's there's nothing in this
45:13that's actually helping you. That's why
45:14you have to keep jumping and saying,
45:15"But you're not answering me." And you
45:16make assertions, but you're not
45:17answering this. But you make assertions
45:18like just find which verse you want.
45:20>> How am I jumping when I'm teaching you
45:21the context? You didn't know
45:23>> the cont the we read it. Everybody can
45:25read it. I'm I'm so happy that people
45:27can follow.
45:28>> You need to answer your question
45:29directly for me to make a point and
45:30you're saying I'm cutting you off
45:32>> every time.
45:32>> Yeah.
45:33>> You quote a verse. I'm hoping that
45:34people just read it and ask themselves,
45:36is this the instance that confirms
45:38today's?
45:38>> You didn't answer my question. Why don't
45:39you appeal to the masses?
45:40>> Because because I'm not going to get
45:41through.
45:41>> Let me repeat it again. Repeat it again,
45:43my friend. See? and and then again
45:44people can go see who's cutting off who
45:46because you go on tangents and I'm
45:47trying to run with you because I'm
45:48trying to lose weight so you're a good
45:50runner.
45:50>> So but coming to the issue I had to
45:53educate you what the context of my
45:55dawas.
45:55>> Thank you.
45:56>> I assumed you knew it.
45:58>> Forgive me for assuming that you a
45:59Muslim knew the Quran. Forgive me.
46:01>> I like the shots.
46:02>> Okay. So yeah it is it's got to be a
46:03shot because you've been taking a lot of
46:04shots but saying you're not getting
46:07so now that we know the context that's
46:09why I went here and here cuz I'm trying
46:11to keep you on track. The context of
46:13surah 543-48
46:15is to convince the Jews, judge by your
46:18Torah. Don't go to Muhammad for this
46:20decision because your Torah has a
46:21guidance. And then it gives Jesus and
46:23the prophets an example that they too
46:25judge by the Torah. So my question in
46:27light of that is from Jesus to the time
46:30of Muhammad, it shows they had the same
46:32Torah because it says he's confirming
46:34this Torah that you have. When did
46:37corruption take place from the time of
46:39Jesus and Muhammad? If I could jump into
46:40a time machine and tell you every person
46:42that made a textual variant, then I
46:45could tell you exactly why God in the
46:46Quran has to make textual edits or
46:49conscious edits, I can tell you that.
46:50But I don't know. I can't go into a time
46:52machine and show you every time somebody
46:53made an edit or made a mistake. What I
46:56can tell you is you're absolutely
46:57correct that is Alisam, Jesus, he was
47:00given inspiration, revelation of the
47:02Torah, which means the law, and he knew
47:04Jewish law better than anybody. And so
47:07he taught that at his time. that is
47:09being asserted in it was either 45 or
47:1146. Fine. I grant that. That's
47:13fantastic.
47:14>> Now, you made the comment that doesn't
47:16have anything to do with today's Bible.
47:18I'm sorry. You want to say that no, no,
47:20no. Therefore, today's Bible must be
47:22100% authentic because you know that
47:24it's impossible that anybody made an
47:26editor or something like this. You can
47:27make you can make whatever assertions
47:28you'd like. I'm simply saying that let's
47:30stick to Islamic dilemma is that the
47:32Quran you have to find the verse that
47:35actually
47:36>> You mean like the 12 verses I already
47:37found for you? I'm I'm I'm happy that
47:39you feel that way, but uh I'm saying
47:40realistically speaking, thus far, in my
47:42opinion, the one that you landed on that
47:44has the best shot is 543. Can you do me
47:47a favor? And 543 still doesn't land
47:49because it's a question and not a feel
47:51assertion.
47:52>> Can you do me a favor?
47:52>> You I'd love to do you a favor.
47:54>> Well, I want to say it respectfully. No
47:55one cares whether you're convinced or
47:57not. I'm not doing this for you.
47:58>> I know you're doing it for the audience,
47:59right? So, but
47:59>> and they're way they're sitting there
48:00like this like, okay,
48:01>> because you have omissions. You know,
48:03you know that. Oh, yeah. See, they're
48:05not convinced. Keep that rhetoric. Sure.
48:07>> For someone else, politicians who fear
48:10God here, I'm going to say fear [snorts]
48:12Allahbar.
48:19>> Okay, now come here. I'm glad you just
48:21committed.
48:23Do you know Do you know what?
48:25My Lord Messiah. That's
48:27>> He just committed. No.
48:30Okay, now let's go back to you. You
48:32>> want me to give you another word of
48:33Jesus? I agree. Jesus.
48:33>> Can I give you another verse?
48:35>> How long we have for this? because I'm I
48:37got like I'm going to have a field day.
48:38>> We can keep going.
48:39>> This is fantastic. Okay. So, uh are you
48:41going to next verse in one second?
48:42>> Yes.
48:43>> Any Christian that wants to take five uh
48:45sorry 545 46 and say, "Look, it says
48:48that Jesus had the Torah and that he
48:50knew God use it because it pulverizes
48:53the objections. Glory to Jesus." All
48:55right. Say, "I can appeal to motion
48:56two." Can you go to
48:58>> You're going to walk up to a Muslim and
48:59say, "This is 100% evidence that today's
49:02Bible is authentic." And the Muslim will
49:05say, "Actually, it just says that Jesus
49:07was given the inspiration to know God's
49:09law perfectly at that time."
49:11>> The law that the Jews have, right?
49:12>> The Torah,
49:14>> that they had, right?
49:15>> The Torah. Yes. And he confirmed that,
49:17right?
49:17>> That that Jesus was was was uh given
49:19that revelation.
49:20>> So that that he was confirming what they
49:22had when he went to the Jews. I
49:23confirmed the Torah that's between us.
49:24>> Well, actually there's a there's a
49:25particular verse that says that he
49:27confirmed what they had, but also did uh
49:29what's it called?
49:31So it's a different verse. Imran.
49:33>> So that means that he did the exact same
49:35thing that the Quran does.
49:36>> Yeah. But abregating previous commands
49:37doesn't mean it's corrupted. That
49:39doesn't make sense. And then you say
49:40your Quran is corrupted because the
49:41Quran abrogates itself. So we don't want
49:42to go there. Let's stay here. Right.
49:44>> Excellent. Well,
49:46>> right. If you're going to say abrogation
49:47means corruption, that means your Quran
49:48is corrupt because the Quran abrogates
49:50itself.
49:50>> No. So So let's not go there.
49:52>> When God says that he does or that he
49:54makes permissible,
49:55>> I I can agree with you that there's a
49:57range of meaning here. It could be, it
49:58could be, it could be that either there
50:00was a certain law and now it's being
50:02abregated. It could be that they had
50:03corruption. That's what it could be that
50:04they had corruption.
50:06>> That's not what 350 says. But
50:07nonetheless,
50:08>> I'm simply saying there's a range of
50:09meaning. So if you want to take both
50:10specific, but I don't want to get there.
50:12Let's go to surah ay 81. Read for me
50:17>> 381.
50:18>> I'm going to make my case weaker in your
50:19sight. So oh man, this is so weak. I'm
50:20going to keep you in verses. You're
50:21going to keep saying it's weak. Surah
50:243:81.
50:26And recall, oh people, the scripture,
50:28when Allah took the covenant of the
50:29prophet, saying, "Whatever I have given
50:31you of scripture and wisdom, and then
50:33there comes to you a messenger
50:34confirming what is with you, you must
50:36believe in him and support him." You
50:38want to keep going? And Allah, Allah
50:40said, "Have you acknowledged and taken
50:41upon that my commitment?" Let's say,
50:44"Yeah, yeah, exactly." Uh, yeah. Yeah.
50:46Yeah. What's What's the problem here?
50:47Yeah. God is speaking to his prophets.
50:48They said, "We have acknowledged it." He
50:50said, "Uh, then bear witness and I am
50:53with you among the witnesses."
50:54this covenant with the prophets. In
50:56order to know this messenger is the one
50:57Allah sent, he has to confirm what is
50:59with them, right?
51:00>> The messengers confirm each other.
51:02That's what being said.
51:03>> No, that's I love you. I swear I love
51:05you for the sake of Jesus. Okay. But now
51:07>> then don't roast. Just let's talk.
51:08>> I am trying to talk. I'm trying to
51:10because you're telling me I'm not doing
51:11this and that. So I'm trying to make it
51:13clear and Okay.
51:13>> Yeah.
51:14>> Here it says to the prophets.
51:16>> Prophets. Yes.
51:17>> A messenger will come.
51:18>> Yeah.
51:18>> He's going to confirm what is with you.
51:20>> Confirm.
51:20>> Yeah. What is with the prophets? Yeah.
51:21Absolutely.
51:22>> I'm going to get there. When was that
51:24covenant fulfilled?
51:25>> Oh. Uh, which which of these prophets?
51:27>> When was the covenant?
51:28>> Whichever prophet you like? I
51:29>> messenger. Who's the messenger?
51:32>> I grant you whichever prophet you like
51:33that all prophets
51:34>> No, I want to know what you think cuz I
51:35don't want my opinion cuz I can go to
51:36the taps.
51:37>> I say guys, read this verse and
51:39understand that God
51:40>> So, you don't want to answer the
51:41question?
51:41>> No, no. I'm I'm I'm I'm being honest
51:42with you. I'm reading it as a plain text
51:44and I'm simply saying that there was a
51:46covenant given to prophets and the
51:48covenant is you have to acknowledge all
51:50the prophets that this and whatever
51:52revelation
51:52>> particular messenger no it's one
51:54messenger it's not messengers when the
51:57messenger comes who is that
51:59>> uh
52:00yeah the prophet Muhammad yeah
52:02>> say it again
52:02>> the prophet Muhammad s I thought you
52:05talking about that's why so when it says
52:07I'm saying all prophets yeah
52:08>> the criterion I want to repeat it slowly
52:11so you don't stamman me Okay, criterion
52:14is this is how you know he's that
52:16messenger. He's going to confirm what's
52:18with you, Jesus.
52:20Read it again,
52:21>> brother. What are you saying? [laughter]
52:22Just guys, read the text. Just read it.
52:23>> Read it slowly.
52:24>> And recall when Allah took a covenant
52:26with the prophets.
52:27>> Yes. To do what?
52:28>> To do what? Whatever I give you of the
52:30scriptures. And let me make sure I got
52:32this right. Uh, whatever I give, it's
52:35plural, so it's not just you. It's
52:36whatever I give y'all. Whatever I give
52:37all of you prophets, right? Whenever I
52:39give you them this scripture,
52:43Then comes to you the messenger and
52:46you're right referring to the Muhammad
52:48that is confirming what was given to
52:51those prophets.
52:52>> Exactly. That was what I just said. You
52:53go and you laughed at me.
52:55>> Did I not just say that? No. Well, I
52:57like the way you laugh. You laugh better
52:58than me. But did I not just say that's
53:00what it said? And you said no. Read it.
53:02And you just read and confirm what I
53:03said.
53:03>> Okay. Uh well, I have to go back to clip
53:06and see what I thought was odd. But you
53:08said something. You made an assertion.
53:09Go ahead. But I said the messenger you
53:11said is Muhammad.
53:12>> Yeah.
53:13>> If he comes to Jesus, how's Jesus going
53:15to know it's him? He's going to confirm
53:17what he has, right?
53:18>> If they if the prophet Muhammad wasallam
53:20went back in time to the time of Jesus,
53:21yes, they would have the revelation this
53:23from one source. The revelation that's
53:24coming to Jesus is the same revelation
53:26coming to Muhammad. Yes.
53:26>> Yeah. Yeah. I know that. But so do you
53:28agree though? Just establish the
53:29principle because I can't make the point
53:30if you're going.
53:31>> Do you establish a princip?
53:33>> No, no, no. You're doing good. I'm just
53:34saying you're good. I'm just answering
53:35the question.
53:36>> You're doing good. So, you agree that
53:39the messenger, if he were to come in the
53:41lifetime of any of them, let's say Moses
53:42walking around, he shows up, he goes,
53:44"I'm that messenger." Well, how do I
53:46know that? I confirm what you have. Now,
53:48would Moses have corrupt scriptures
53:50>> with Of course not. And with Wait, wait,
53:51wait. You said it too fast.
53:52>> Would Moses have corrupt scriptures? Of
53:53course not. No.
53:54>> Would Jesus?
53:55>> No. Of course not. No, there must be.
53:56>> Okay. Now, the prophets passed away, but
53:58this passage still awaits a fulfillment,
54:01right?
54:02>> That Allah is saying that he took a
54:04covenant with the prophets. That's true.
54:06True. Now, did he come
54:08>> the prophet Muhammad?
54:09>> Yeah. According to the verse. Okay. But
54:11what we see, I want you to see where I'm
54:12going with this. Go
54:13>> ahead.
54:13>> Because everyone heard you. I want this
54:14to be clear.
54:15>> Yes.
54:17>> If he was there with Moses, he would
54:19confirm what Moses had. And you said,
54:20"Yeah, and Moses would not have had
54:21corrupt scriptures. Neither would
54:23Jesus." So my question is,
54:24>> yes.
54:25>> Did Allah fulfill that covenant?
54:27>> Did Allah send a messenger Muhammad with
54:30true revelation that the prophets took a
54:32covenant of? that all of their
54:35scriptures agree with the exception of
54:36course of Sharia can
54:38>> yeah we can change that was 48 I'm glad
54:41I'm glad I'm glad you by the way this is
54:43great I appreciate I appreciate that
54:45you're fair enough to say like I get
54:46your point that yeah Sharia can change
54:48but by and large the same of course they
54:49have the same message
54:50>> okay now but when he came there were no
54:52prophets
54:53>> correct
54:54>> how were the community of the prophets
54:55know that he's that messenger
54:56>> they're already passed away
54:58>> that's I understand but this is given
55:00not just for the prophets right for
55:02their followers so that they'll know
55:03This is the messenger that the prophets
55:05made a covenant of.
55:05>> Yes. Yes. This is a this is a this is
55:07>> how would they know?
55:09>> Yeah.
55:09>> How would they know that that's the
55:10messenger that our prophet said we took
55:12a covenant that when he comes we're
55:14going to help him. So if he shows up
55:15follow him. How would they know that
55:16they're followers?
55:18>> Because we believe as mentioned in 7157
55:20that the prophet Muhammad wasallam
55:22remains in the scriptures that they
55:24have.
55:24>> But that doesn't now let me clear. Let
55:26me let me make my point. this neither
55:297157 affirm a 100%
55:33>> okay we'll get there
55:33>> clear uh uh uh uh what's it called um
55:36preservation of the Bible till today
55:39>> so you're right you're right that we do
55:41assert that within the scriptures
55:43certain descriptions of the prophet
55:44Muhammad have been maintained
55:46>> can I answer now
55:47>> please thank you thank you for letting
55:49>> you forgot what you said earlier I want
55:51to repeat what you said you said that if
55:53he comes to the prophets he's going to
55:55confirm what they have and I said what
55:57did they corrupt scriptures. You
55:59>> said,
56:00>> you know, you changed the meaning and
56:02saying, well, now that they're gone,
56:05>> he's going to come to their communities.
56:07>> And yet the criterion was for them to
56:09know that this is the messenger. He has
56:11to confirm what the prophets had, which
56:14you say they didn't have. Let me just
56:16pivot between them or their communities.
56:18>> But then how was this fulfilled?
56:20>> Let me explain my argument because maybe
56:22it's um
56:22>> just don't pivot. This verse, let's
56:24stick to the verse. This isn't talking
56:25about their communities. This verse is
56:26talking about the prophets.
56:27>> When was it fulfilled?
56:28>> When the prophets agreed and took the
56:30covenant with God that they will
56:31practice what comes that again.
56:34>> I'm I'm I'm I'm asserting you. I'm
56:36asserting what you're saying. When when
56:37was this fulfilled? When God took a
56:39covenant with his messengers that a
56:40fulfilled fulfilled Let me say
56:42>> fulfill what is revealed to you and know
56:44what will come in the future of new
56:46prophets. None of that is a guarantee.
56:49>> You misread the verse. Do you want to
56:51repeat it again? You're the one that
56:52insert I just want to make it clear for
56:53the audience that you asserted the verse
56:55very perfectly when you said that it's
56:56the prophets making this uh uh assertion
56:59that the prophet will come that the
57:00prophet Muhammad will eventually come
57:02that was perfect and then he said if he
57:04went back in time would they be in
57:05agreement 100% but then you said oh and
57:08therefore
57:09as time went forward then therefore uh
57:12every community is going to be able to
57:14assert 100% of everything. No, no, we
57:17just you jump in too much. I'm going to
57:19repeat what you said. I'm going by what
57:20you're saying, but I don't know if
57:21you're keeping up what you're saying. I
57:23said, did the messenger come? You said
57:26yes. I go, when the prophets were
57:28weren't around,
57:29>> correct?
57:29>> So, let me repeat my question light of
57:31that.
57:32>> Since he came
57:34to fulfill 381, right? Are we following
57:37the argument?
57:38>> No. What you say?
57:39>> Did this messenger ever come?
57:40>> Let me So,
57:41>> or this is superfluous. It didn't It
57:43didn't happen. Allah failed to send him.
57:45>> Can I answer?
57:46>> Well, I'm waiting. It's been time.
57:47>> 381.
57:48>> Yes. It was fulfilled when God, as it
57:51says, took a covenant from his prophets.
57:52That's when it gets fulfilled.
57:53>> Control of my son. I'm listening to me.
57:55He thinks I'm not.
57:56>> The fulfillment is when the messenger
57:58comes.
57:59>> See, this is why we and he keeps going
58:00back to it was fulfilled when he gave
58:02the covenant to the prophets. No, the
58:04fulfillment is when he comes.
58:05>> It says,
58:08>> what is who is who are they?
58:10>> It is confirming [clears throat] of who
58:11is within.
58:12>> Help me Lord. Help me. I know that I
58:15prayed for patience and you're testing
58:16my patience. Thank you, Lord Jesus.
58:18Okay, let's come back.
58:18>> Just read. Just read it. It's
58:19>> I've been reading it. Okay, I'm going to
58:21go by what you just said one more time.
58:24>> Okay. He never came in the lifetime of
58:26the prophets, right?
58:28>> Uh, no.
58:28>> Okay. But he was still sent as Allah
58:31promised, right?
58:32>> Yes, sir.
58:32>> Good. So, we got that part.
58:34>> Yep.
58:34>> How were the people of the prophets to
58:36know this is the one that Jesus said, "I
58:40took a covenant with my Lord." We're
58:42going to go with this Muslim Jesus. I
58:44took a covenant with my Lord.
58:46>> I'm waiting for this messenger. Perfect.
58:47>> And when he comes, he's going to confirm
58:49what I have.
58:51>> But he didn't come in Jesus lifetime,
58:52but he would have told the apostles. Oh,
58:54not apostles, their fathers, right?
58:55>> Yes.
58:55>> So, how would they then know that's the
58:58one that Jesus told us about? What was
59:00the criteria given here? Not 7157, but
59:02go to that
59:03>> because because well, you just told me
59:04don't go 717.
59:06>> No, because that's going to help my
59:06case. I want to make it easier for you
59:08to defeat me.
59:08>> I'm helping you that yes, 71. You're
59:10saying it's helping your case. Let me
59:11help your case then.
59:12>> No, I want you to defeat me.
59:13>> No, no, I want to help your case. Let's
59:15go for it. You're I agree with you. 7157
59:18says that despite the fact Well, I'm
59:21going to put this in brackets. Despite
59:22the fact that there have been
59:23unfortunate corruptions, 715
59:25>> I didn't even say that, but that's okay.
59:26>> I know I just said in brackets. I'm just
59:27I'm trying giving you my perspective
59:28because you want my perspective here.
59:30So, let's put this in brackets. Despite
59:31the fact that corruptions have taken
59:33place now 7157 is saying at least they
59:36didn't corrupt the fact that the prophet
59:38Muhammad wasallam
59:40>> was is still described in your Bible.
59:43>> Yeah, that's not 381. That's why I have
59:45to repeat it again.
59:46>> So 381 is specifically saying that this
59:48was a covenant taken with prophets and
59:50it is confirming what was with them. And
59:53>> what did you say though?
59:54>> That means what did they have?
59:56>> They had scripture. They had revelation
59:57from God
59:58>> at at their time. No, of course not.
59:59>> Good. Now let's follow the logic.
1:00:01>> Yes.
1:00:01>> Cuz you went to surah 757. The
1:00:04prophecies
1:00:05timeline went forward. At least they
1:00:07held on to the prediction about the
1:00:09prophet. Does that mean everything they
1:00:10held on to? No.
1:00:11>> 381.
1:00:11>> That's it. 381 doesn't say confirming
1:00:14the predictions that are with you.
1:00:16>> No, it's it's No, it says confirming
1:00:18what is with you and what they have you
1:00:21>> prophets. And I don't know if I'm making
1:00:22it clear. Maybe it's I'm just stupid.
1:00:24I'm slow. I can't make my point because
1:00:25I don't think you're getting it. Yeah,
1:00:26>> cuz you're making my case, but you're
1:00:27not getting it. But it's okay. I'm going
1:00:28to go slow cuz I know I'm stupid. So,
1:00:30I'll go a little slower.
1:00:32>> What did they have with them? You said
1:00:33uncorrupt scriptures, right?
1:00:35>> You you asked me many times. Yes.
1:00:36>> But we're we're you're not following the
1:00:38logic or I'm too slow in communicating
1:00:40again. So, I'm going to ask you again in
1:00:42light of that statement. When Jesus says
1:00:46to his community, look, I made a
1:00:48covenant with my Lord, a messenger is
1:00:50going to come.
1:00:51>> Yes.
1:00:51>> He's going to confirm what's with me.
1:00:53Now, what was with Jesus? Corrupt or
1:00:54uncorrupt scriptures.
1:00:55>> You speak of when Jesus at his time was
1:00:56definitely uh authentic. Perfect.
1:00:58>> When he comes and says, I confirm what
1:01:00you have. I'm confirming your scriptures
1:01:02on corrupt. I have to follow him. But he
1:01:06didn't come in his lifetime. Yeah. So
1:01:08now if I have that understanding, this
1:01:10is what I'm going to assume. All right.
1:01:12For that messenger to be the one that
1:01:14Jesus told me about, he's going to
1:01:16confirm was given Jesus. What was given
1:01:18to Jesus is uncorrupt scriptures. And we
1:01:20claim those are the scriptures. But if
1:01:22he says it's corrupt, that means he's a
1:01:24false messenger because that's not what
1:01:26he's going to say according to what
1:01:27Allah said. He can't say my scriptures
1:01:29are corrupt if he's that messenger. Do
1:01:31you get the argument now?
1:01:33>> Yes. I guess.
1:01:34>> So how can they be corrupted? Because
1:01:36that will be an argument against
1:01:37Muhammad. Wait, wait. They're corrupted.
1:01:38You're not the one. Bye.
1:01:40>> Right.
1:01:40>> Now you get the argument.
1:01:42>> Uh yeah, I think so.
1:01:42>> Okay. Now refute it.
1:01:43>> Okay. Good stuff. So there's nothing
1:01:46wrong with making conscious just the
1:01:48same way Jesus made corrections to the
1:01:50Benny is while still confirming them and
1:01:53saying listen you have made mistakes. So
1:01:56he's confirming them while
1:01:57simultaneously correcting them. That
1:01:59>> correcting what?
1:02:01>> Correcting their beliefs and their ideas
1:02:02and
1:02:03>> that's not the scriptures man. See you
1:02:04attack. We know traditions can be
1:02:06corrupt. Do you understand the argument?
1:02:08Because if Muhammad comes to the Jews
1:02:09and Christians and say your scriptures
1:02:11are corrupt, saying then you're a false
1:02:13messenger because the messenger that
1:02:14we're told was to come will confirm the
1:02:17scriptures of the prophets and we are
1:02:19the inheritors. So if you say it's
1:02:21corrupt, you're a fake messenger out of
1:02:23here.
1:02:24>> Good.
1:02:24>> So now
1:02:30etc. What must you confirm that you have
1:02:32to believe in him? that you have to aid
1:02:34him. That this is what's being
1:02:35confirmed.
1:02:36>> I'm not talking about them. He has to
1:02:37confirm what's with them.
1:02:38>> Yes.
1:02:39>> You just said what was with them is
1:02:40uncrup scriptures. Why are you changing
1:02:41it?
1:02:41>> Okay. I I I I I'm at this point I'm not
1:02:44sure if you're following or not getting
1:02:46the
1:02:46>> I'm kind of stupid. So help me because
1:02:48you know
1:02:48>> I think you're very very intelligent,
1:02:49but I just think that it's pretty
1:02:50obvious what I'm saying, but I'll make
1:02:51it clear.
1:02:52>> Hold on. You did say their scriptures is
1:02:55uncorrupt and he's going to confirm
1:02:56they're uncorrupt, right? You said that
1:02:57several times. It's recorded.
1:02:58>> Let me let me say it. Let me let me let
1:03:00me say exactly what I'm trying to say so
1:03:01you don't put words in my mouth. Okay.
1:03:02What I'm simply saying is that this
1:03:04verse 381 is saying that prophets in the
1:03:08past, right? What did they do? They
1:03:10confirmed that there will be a prophet
1:03:11Muhammad. Okay, good. They had correct
1:03:14beliefs that are in conformity with the
1:03:16prophet Muhammad throughout time. Even
1:03:19if corruptions did take place, thank
1:03:22God. Thank God the description of the
1:03:24prophet Muhammad sallallam is still
1:03:26preserved and therefore
1:03:29>> the Christians and Jews can look at
1:03:31their book and say, "Oh my goodness,
1:03:33>> he is described in here."
1:03:34>> Which books?
1:03:35>> They can look in their scriptures. I'm
1:03:37speaking generally here.
1:03:38>> Which ones?
1:03:38>> You want me to list everything?
1:03:39>> No, I don't. So, so what I'm saying is
1:03:41they can look into their scriptures and
1:03:43when they find that the prophet Muhammad
1:03:44has been predicted and that he is going
1:03:46to do what
1:03:48you're aware of this. He is going to
1:03:50>> You [clears throat] don't want to go to
1:03:50Muhammad, do you?
1:03:51>> Uh, we can if you want to. It's fine. I
1:03:53don't think you want to. We can I want
1:03:54to be merciful to you, but I don't want
1:03:55you to go to
1:03:57>> uh you're I love I love the confidence.
1:03:58But that being said, just the same way.
1:04:00So Allah is affirming
1:04:02>> that this is and it is confirming
1:04:06>> partially and is also being the
1:04:08>> notice he had the word partially, right?
1:04:09I want you to see adds to the Quran.
1:04:11>> Oh my goodness.
1:04:12>> No, no, I just want people know because
1:04:13the Quran I'm just trying to let me make
1:04:15I'm letting you make your point. I'm
1:04:16saying
1:04:16>> dual function.
1:04:17>> You're doing dual function. you you're
1:04:18doing what 378 accused the Jews and
1:04:20Christians changing the text by your
1:04:24tongue. You kept adding to the Quran and
1:04:28this is a sin against your God according
1:04:30to chapter 378. But that's okay if you
1:04:32want to add sin upon sin and face your
1:04:34Lord in judgment. That's between you and
1:04:35him.
1:04:35>> Is this preaching or not?
1:04:36>> No. Well, I'm going to preach like
1:04:38preaching. Now come back to the issue.
1:04:40>> You don't let me talk. You're you didn't
1:04:41let me get through the through the good.
1:04:43I'll give you another 20 minutes. Go
1:04:44ahead.
1:04:44>> Thank you so much. I appreciate the 20
1:04:45minutes. And is a dual function that the
1:04:48Quran has. In this verse 381, God is
1:04:51saying, "Look, all of you messengers
1:04:53have taken a covenant to fulfill what is
1:04:55given to you and to affirm what is in
1:04:56the future." That was at their time.
1:04:59>> Okay,
1:04:59>> great. As time went forward,
1:05:01unfortunately, corruptions took place as
1:05:02God affirms in the Quran by talking
1:05:04about. We haven't got to those ay yet,
1:05:06but we can go to Wait, please. You said
1:05:0820 minutes. It hasn't been one. Hasn't
1:05:09been one.
1:05:10>> I love you, my brother. Humanity finish.
1:05:11I'm listening. I can talk for and
1:05:13listening. Yeah.
1:05:14is proving corruption and conscious
1:05:16edits is proving corruption. But does
1:05:18that mean that they cannot find the
1:05:20prophet Muhammad? Yes, they can. And
1:05:22that is proven in this verse and it is
1:05:24proven in 7157 that those descriptions
1:05:27of the prophet Muhammad are present. So
1:05:31we have no problem with this.
1:05:32>> Okay. So now can I address you because
1:05:33you repeat the same point several times
1:05:35and I'm letting you talk because I know
1:05:36what your point is.
1:05:37>> In 381 you said I want everyone to hear
1:05:40it.
1:05:40>> Especially I want them hear it. Yes. You
1:05:42said that what he's going to confirm is
1:05:44what they have and what they have is
1:05:45uncorrupt scriptures. We established
1:05:47that
1:05:47>> at the time. Yes.
1:05:47>> Yes. Good. Fine.
1:05:49>> But he never came in their lifetime.
1:05:51Correct. So if I'm a Christian, so I
1:05:53want to make my point again.
1:05:54>> If you assume that there's never been a
1:05:55chance that anybody could corrupt
1:05:56anything despite the fact that you guys
1:05:57have multiple versions of the Bible
1:05:58today,
1:05:59>> just like you have multiple. Yes. We'll
1:06:01have a find with the and the Let's not
1:06:03change the top.
1:06:03>> Sure. So we we know that there's textual
1:06:05variance. This is very wellnown. So you
1:06:07can't pretend that this is like, wait a
1:06:09second, how is it possible? Look man, we
1:06:10know
1:06:11>> if radian variant readings means the
1:06:13book is corrupt. Retire your Quran
1:06:15because you have different Arabic
1:06:17versions of the manic text. I don't want
1:06:19to change the topic.
1:06:20>> You just did because you understand
1:06:21>> because you brought up textual variance.
1:06:22Yeah. Because
1:06:23>> theible we're talking about the Bible
1:06:24and whether it was you're you're
1:06:27pretending that it cannot be conceivable
1:06:29that there are scrial that Hold on.
1:06:30You're pretending it's inconceivable
1:06:32that there were scribal errors. It's
1:06:33conceivable that they could have
1:06:34corrupted their text.
1:06:34>> Well, there are scribal errors in the
1:06:36manuscripts of the Quran.
1:06:37>> Allahbar. I'm glad. So there you go.
1:06:39>> No, don't change the subject. Just yes
1:06:40or no.
1:06:40>> Aneic dilemma is about a
1:06:42>> No. No.
1:06:42>> Exactly.
1:06:43>> The Islamic dilemma. This this is this
1:06:45is a dodge
1:06:46>> my friend.
1:06:46>> Good stuff.
1:06:47>> What is a dodge is when you say dilemma.
1:06:49Just remember now remember audience how
1:06:52he's now dodgeball. Okay. Let's come
1:06:54back here.
1:06:55>> If textual variants mean the Bible's
1:06:57corrupt textual variant of the Quran,
1:06:58that means again you're only bearing the
1:07:00Quran because at the time of Jesus, let
1:07:03me make my point.
1:07:04There were variant readings of the Old
1:07:06Testament and he still confirmed the Old
1:07:09Testament great
1:07:10>> as being the words of God irrespective
1:07:12of variant readings. So the analogy I'm
1:07:14giving you just like you as a Muslim
1:07:16>> that's a beautiful conception.
1:07:17>> Okay, but let me finish.
1:07:18>> Thank you. Just thank you.
1:07:19>> Just like you Muslims don't say the
1:07:21Quran is corrupt because there are
1:07:22different that are not identical.
1:07:24Interesting.
1:07:24>> So variations doesn't mean that the
1:07:27words that God inspired are lost.
1:07:28They're preserved. Great.
1:07:29>> That's why I don't want to go into
1:07:30variance. Great.
1:07:31>> Now you didn't let me make my point. Let
1:07:33me come to my point. I'll let you talk.
1:07:34Okay, let's go to 381. So then I can go
1:07:36to 7157. It's not going to help you.
1:07:38>> And then fly 40. I want to follow your
1:07:40track. See, I'm trying to lose weight,
1:07:41so I'm jumping with you.
1:07:42>> Let's jump together.
1:07:43>> Okay, now let's go to 3 381.
1:07:45>> If you jump too high, we're going to
1:07:45fall in love. This is dangerous.
1:07:47[laughter]
1:07:48>> We know singing is haram, but I want to
1:07:50sing. I'm all out of Okay, let's come
1:07:51back here.
1:07:52>> I don't know what you're [laughter]
1:07:52saying, but that's okay.
1:07:53>> I said singing is haram, but anyway,
1:07:55coming back here.
1:07:55>> Music is haram.
1:07:57>> My singing is haram. [laughter]
1:07:59>> Can I May I This is nice, isn't it? This
1:08:02is nice. There we go. There we go. I
1:08:02told you. I swear I'm not trying to I
1:08:04wasn't trying to play games with you. I
1:08:05was never trying. And I'm not I'm not
1:08:06trying to play games with you.
1:08:07>> No, I know that, buddy. Believe me, I
1:08:08have love for you. And I mean, I'm not
1:08:09just saying it to say love. This is I
1:08:12don't want to not like you. I mean, let
1:08:13me put it that way. You have my point. I
1:08:15I want us to be fine. And I And even
1:08:17more important than just me and you, I
1:08:19want us to show people that we can be
1:08:21fine.
1:08:21>> I Let him ask me that question. I'll
1:08:23answer it here. I do see sometimes that
1:08:24you use derogatory language and uh
1:08:28you've used it towards me and and I'm
1:08:30not
1:08:31>> trying to make a some sort of twisted
1:08:34sort of ugly thing about it. I actually
1:08:35would like us to be on good terms and I
1:08:38would like for Brian to to create a
1:08:40platform where dialogues are very
1:08:42healthy and I really would love for you
1:08:43to address it so we could like hug it
1:08:45out to be perfectly honest. So go ahead.
1:08:47>> Yes. Tell them what you heard me say so
1:08:49I can really say it.
1:08:50>> Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I want you because
1:08:52Yeah. are we working on coming?
1:08:53>> Uh so unfortunately uh again not just to
1:08:56me but there u there has been an
1:08:58incident where he talks about being a
1:09:00son of a and uses a derogatory term
1:09:02basically meaning prostitute and so I
1:09:04addressed that online it's got lots and
1:09:05lots of views people uh saw that and um
1:09:09uh I I thought you should I mean you're
1:09:12you're a Christian you're a man of God
1:09:13you're you're a man of God and I just
1:09:14think you a lot of people look up to you
1:09:16want to set a good example
1:09:17>> and my I I don't know if you watch you
1:09:19didn't watch my video but I explained
1:09:20that I my mother's actually an extremely
1:09:22practicing Christian. Her being her
1:09:23being a Muslim shouldn't make that
1:09:25better. Like it's okay to insult her,
1:09:26>> but like it's even weirder when
1:09:28Christians are cheerleading a Christian
1:09:30woman being assault that way. So go
1:09:32ahead.
1:09:32>> I want to [clears throat] apologize.
1:09:33Please forgive me. I do. I know
1:09:36sometimes I get heated. But one thing
1:09:38is,
1:09:39>> and that's not justification,
1:09:40>> okay?
1:09:40>> I'm trying to I'm going to say try not
1:09:42to say it anymore because this one's
1:09:43understood.
1:09:45>> Forgive me. And I want I'm not saying to
1:09:47put on a show. It's because after
1:09:48talking with him, I have a lot of love
1:09:50for you,
1:09:51>> brother.
1:09:51>> Can I give him a hug?
1:09:52>> Yeah, I mean I thought maybe
1:09:54>> let's uh let's hide my love handles.
1:09:57[laughter]
1:09:57>> I do. I have a lot of love for you.
1:09:59>> Thank you. That's very That's very
1:10:00beautiful. I think we we live at a time
1:10:02that has a lot of unnecessary tension
1:10:03[clears throat] and we can we can stuff,
1:10:05you know.
1:10:06>> And so no excuse when I call someone a
1:10:10son of a I'm not referring to
1:10:11their mother. [laughter]
1:10:13>> I know. No, no. Honestly, Revelation 17,
1:10:15and I'm not going to justify it. Forgive
1:10:17me. I won't talk about it anymore. I
1:10:19won't use it because Revelation 17 says,
1:10:20"If you don't belong to Christ,
1:10:22>> you belong to Satan and you belong to
1:10:24the Babylonian system." So there it says
1:10:26Babylon, the great the mother of
1:10:29>> Forgive me.
1:10:30>> Thank you.
1:10:31>> I won't even call a Muslim mother a
1:10:33>> And I'm not just saying in front of you
1:10:34guys. I don't do that. In fact, I've
1:10:37been taking a lot of punches because of
1:10:39my stance against Israel and also
1:10:41speaking out for the innocent
1:10:43Palestinians who are being killed. God
1:10:44bless.
1:10:44>> I'm known for that. And I'm not saying
1:10:46it to try to get you to like me. You
1:10:48hate me. I'm a kafir. May God have mercy
1:10:50on me. I don't go to hell. But you
1:10:51understand. So forgive me.
1:10:52>> Thank you. Thank you. That's the
1:10:53context.
1:10:54>> And and let me say I'll say something
1:10:55hopefully that you might appreciate as
1:10:57well that um one thing that I like to
1:10:59talk to when I meet do interfaith
1:11:00dialogues and I meet with the pastors
1:11:01and so forth. I always say don't forget
1:11:03blessed be the peacemaker. Yes sir. And
1:11:05the term maker is not peaceer. Yeah.
1:11:07>> Right. So it's not you just hope for it.
1:11:09No, peacemaker means that the the
1:11:10Christian the real Christian those that
1:11:12I really see as like trying their best
1:11:14to, you know, actually be real
1:11:15Christians,
1:11:16>> they don't like to see exactly what you
1:11:18just said. So, thank God that there are
1:11:20good people represent. I'm I actually
1:11:21really appreciate this dialogue.
1:11:22>> Good brother.
1:11:23>> No, no, really. I actually appreciate
1:11:24this dialogue. I feel like the the the
1:11:25tension even if it gets up and down, I
1:11:27feel like this is much healthier. Yes.
1:11:29>> Uh and I I appreciate your generosity in
1:11:31in many different areas instead of
1:11:33trying to do sort of somewhat cheap
1:11:35gotcha tricks, you're actually trying to
1:11:36understand more contextually. So, thank
1:11:38you very much. But what I want to get
1:11:40you to follow your own line. I'm
1:11:42following you. 381 Muhammad is going to
1:11:45confirm what Jesus has and what he has
1:11:48is uncorrupt. Scripture, not corrupt.
1:11:49>> That's
1:11:50>> since he's not there when Muhammad
1:11:53comes. If I'm a Christian and then Jesus
1:11:56says to me, look, the messenger didn't
1:11:58come in my lifetime. Here's how you're
1:12:01going to know him and pass it on. He's
1:12:03going to confirm my scriptures which are
1:12:05entrusted to you.
1:12:06>> Can I Can I please can I please go
1:12:08ahead? Yeah.
1:12:08>> So what was is going to happen is that
1:12:11>> they will look into their scripture.
1:12:13They will find a confirmation of a
1:12:14prophet to come [laughter]
1:12:15>> and then that prophet will confirm so
1:12:18much of what
1:12:19>> so much of it.
1:12:20>> No, I'm I'm trying to repeat this. Make
1:12:22sure I'm getting you.
1:12:22>> We're going to keep it. We're going to
1:12:23>> No, I'm just trying to get you so much.
1:12:25>> Okay.
1:12:26>> Okay. Are you if you want percentages,
1:12:27I'm sorry. I'm not going to give
1:12:27percentages. But when you go through
1:12:29these texts of the Jews and Christians,
1:12:31yes, so much of it is in line. However,
1:12:34then there will be verses where the
1:12:36Quran is clarifying that look, you guys
1:12:37haven't kept this 100% since the time of
1:12:39Jesus. I'm sorry. There has been and
1:12:42there are in the Quran conscious edits
1:12:44to clarify and that's why the Quran is
1:12:47and it has a dual function of confirming
1:12:49what is still correct that you guys have
1:12:51and cor and and what's it called? Yeah.
1:12:52Being in authority and correcting what
1:12:54you guys have wrong. So there that's not
1:12:56a big deal what you're you're I know
1:12:58you're making a big deal of this, but I
1:12:59want to make it clear that
1:13:00foundationally they will be able to
1:13:02recognize the prophet Muhammad and then
1:13:04there will be certain things that will
1:13:05be clarified. Now wait a second. Are you
1:13:06saying that? Oh, you know what? I won't
1:13:08even let's just go. I don't want to
1:13:09interrupt.
1:13:09>> Let me go with I'm going to use your
1:13:11that would actually be all the more
1:13:12reason for Christians say you're an
1:13:14antichrist because you didn't get my No,
1:13:15I'm just telling you just like you call
1:13:17Paul an antichrist. Come on. We you
1:13:19think Paul corrupt. Well, you know, I
1:13:20don't get upset. That's your religious
1:13:21beliefs. You're okay. So because you're
1:13:24saying Allah when you say that about
1:13:25Paul we say but anyway coming back to
1:13:28the issue let's keep it here
1:13:31>> if a prophet comes and says to me yeah
1:13:34that part is true that part is corrupt
1:13:35I'll say all the more reason you're a
1:13:37fake prophet
1:13:38>> that's not helping your case because
1:13:40this is supposed to be an argument to
1:13:42convince the Jews and Christians
1:13:43>> so the argument I'm establishing if
1:13:46Jesus says to me
1:13:47>> so I'm going to make it then we're going
1:13:49to go to 548 because I know you want to
1:13:50go get there we're gonna have fun with
1:13:51that one mohe Wait a minute. Al,
1:13:52>> I'm already having fun.
1:13:53>> Okay, I know I'm having fun, but I'm
1:13:55having more fun. Okay, if Jesus says to
1:13:57him, look, God took a covenant with me.
1:14:02A messenger is going to come. He's going
1:14:03to confirm what I have. So then I say,
1:14:05Jesus, you mean he's going to do
1:14:07conscious edits to your scripture? No,
1:14:09no, no. He's going to confirm what I
1:14:11have. Oh, you mean he's going to say
1:14:13it's
1:14:13>> what I have?
1:14:14>> Okay. Well, I'm going to get there.
1:14:15>> What I have? Yeah, but if he doesn't
1:14:18come but he comes in your lifetime, you
1:14:22have to follow him. But Jesus told me
1:14:24the way I'm going to know that messenger
1:14:25is he's going to confirm the scripture
1:14:28of Jesus that are uncorrupt. And since
1:14:30now it's entrusted to his community, if
1:14:32he now comes and says corrupt, you're
1:14:34not the one that Jesus told us about
1:14:36because the messenger that was to come
1:14:38is to confirm what we have, not do
1:14:40conscious edits. You're not him by
1:14:44>> is the verb is the verb you're looking
1:14:45for. They were entrusted with their
1:14:46scripture.
1:14:47>> That's I'm not even talking about that.
1:14:48I'm talking
1:14:48>> I'm just I want to make clear I want to
1:14:50make clear for the audience that that
1:14:51you you are correct. They were entrusted
1:14:53with their scripture. Unfortunately,
1:14:56corruptions have taken place. I do
1:14:58believe that one second. One second. I
1:15:00do I do believe that uh Bible scholars
1:15:02will very comfortably go. Please man,
1:15:05you just keep on taking
1:15:06>> Am I saying something?
1:15:08>> I love you, man. Don't appeal to motion,
1:15:10man.
1:15:10>> Just just I'm done. I'm done.
1:15:11>> Okay. Go ahead. Thank you. What's your
1:15:13point? So
1:15:14>> yeah,
1:15:14>> biblical scholars will very comfortably
1:15:16let us know that yes, there's variance
1:15:18and there's difference of opinion and
1:15:19the canonization has a very sketchy
1:15:21history etc etc. But the good thing is
1:15:23that when it comes to the vast majority
1:15:25of what is still preserved, we can look
1:15:28at it and we can specifically find the
1:15:30prophet Muhammad
1:15:31>> in the Bible. So therefore, even if some
1:15:36corruption took place,
1:15:37>> that's okay because when Allah says,
1:15:39"Yes, some did take place."
1:15:42>> But the broad message, and by the way, I
1:15:44I know I don't want to go on this
1:15:45tangent, but I I also want to make it
1:15:46clear that it's going to clarify things
1:15:48so that the things that people are
1:15:50having trouble with, like for example,
1:15:52>> there are certain mysteries you find in
1:15:54the Bible that people don't can make
1:15:55sense of. And so they're like, "We want
1:15:57to hold on to the scripture, but is it
1:15:59corrupted? Is it the case that we can't
1:16:00make sense of this? How does this make
1:16:02sense? And so thank God that I'm going
1:16:04to confirm that the prophet Muhammad
1:16:05wasallam is authentic that you'll be
1:16:07able to find him in your scripture and
1:16:09to those issues that seem contradictory
1:16:10in the Bible to those issues that seem
1:16:12illogical in the Bible you will be able
1:16:14to make sense of it. This is a gift that
1:16:16Allah has given to humanity that the
1:16:18prophet will make those clarifications.
1:16:20>> Notice I didn't cut him off but he
1:16:21repeats the same point like five six
1:16:23times. So if I cut him because I got his
1:16:25point the first two times.
1:16:25>> If you want to circle we'll circle. No,
1:16:26no, I'm just saying.
1:16:27>> But you I just want you to see. I want
1:16:29everyone to see. I don't cut him off.
1:16:30But he repeats the same point six, seven
1:16:32times. I got it the first two times.
1:16:34We're wasting time. So, let's come back
1:16:35here.
1:16:36>> You said Bible scholars, my friend. If
1:16:38the Bible scholars are right, the Quran
1:16:40is a lie. That's the Let me explain to
1:16:42you why.
1:16:42>> Please show me the verse
1:16:43>> and then let's go. No, no, it's not a
1:16:45verse.
1:16:45>> Exactly. It's not a verse, is it?
1:16:47[laughter]
1:16:47>> That's the point. Islamic.
1:16:48>> You guys saw he's cutting me off, right?
1:16:49>> You're right. You're right. Go ahead.
1:16:51>> I'm not upset. I don't mind you cutting
1:16:52me, but you're the one who's whining,
1:16:53complaining about it. Okay, let's come
1:16:55back here. If we establish, which we
1:16:59are, the Quran says the scriptures have
1:17:01been preserved. Nothing is lost. Bible
1:17:04scholars say it is, that means the Quran
1:17:05is a lie. Muhammad would didn't know
1:17:07what he's talking about. So, you don't
1:17:08want to appeal to Bible scholars. That's
1:17:10why I didn't appeal to Bible scholars. I
1:17:11appeal to your prophet. Now, let's take
1:17:13your example of surah 7157. You kept
1:17:16saying, "Yeah, because there are
1:17:17prophecies there."
1:17:19>> Can you name one of those prophecies in
1:17:20the Gospel of John?
1:17:22>> Do you want to go to 7157 or not? That's
1:17:24the one that says that the Torah and
1:17:25because that's what you kept appealing
1:17:26to that they'll find the umi the
1:17:29unlettered prophet written in the torn
1:17:32gospel with them. Where do you find a
1:17:34prophecy of Muhammad in the gospel? What
1:17:36gospel?
1:17:37>> Perfect.
1:17:37>> Yeah. Just give it to me.
1:17:38>> So I'm glad you even worded the way you
1:17:40worded it. It said in the gospel they
1:17:41have with them. Yeah.
1:17:42>> That's a very important wording. I just
1:17:44want for the sake of the audience. I
1:17:45want them to understand
1:17:46>> that if for example
1:17:48>> I say to you the book of Mcabes, right,
1:17:50is in the Bible. I can stop right there.
1:17:53But if I say the book of Mcabes is in
1:17:55the Bible you have with you then that
1:17:58extra word could be suggesting that oh
1:18:01because he's Catholic he has that extra
1:18:03book whereas others don't. So it's his
1:18:05version. So even the wording itself I'm
1:18:07very glad you brought that up and you
1:18:09translate the way you translate it in
1:18:10your own wording which is excellent.
1:18:11It's not just the Torah and the gospel.
1:18:13It's the Torah and the Gospel that they
1:18:14have with them.
1:18:15>> Why would that why would that extra word
1:18:17be there? So I think you kind of hinted
1:18:18at it. I hope it's clear from that
1:18:20perspective. Good. Now the question is
1:18:23Allah is making a prediction and saying
1:18:26that even though this is the version
1:18:28that they have with them, you can still
1:18:30find the prophet Muhammad in
1:18:31>> Yeah. Would you want to answer the
1:18:32question though because you didn't
1:18:33answer where?
1:18:34>> All over
1:18:34>> because I want you to hear what you said
1:18:36earlier. I want everyone to hear it. You
1:18:37appealed to 7157 to say the way 381 is
1:18:40fulfilled.
1:18:41>> There is still a prophecy and there's
1:18:43scriptures. Muhammad, that's how you
1:18:45interpret 3181 by going to 7157.
1:18:48>> So I jumped with you.
1:18:49>> Thank you. Can you now show me what
1:18:52gospel contains a prophecy of Muhammad?
1:18:54>> Excellent. Please give me one.
1:18:55>> I 100% will not. What? Why not? Because
1:18:59we're talking about the Islamic dilemma.
1:19:01>> That is part of
1:19:01>> No, no, hold on. Hold on. I'm just I'm
1:19:03going to explain myself.
1:19:04>> So, there are two topics at hand here,
1:19:06right? One is let's have a debate. Is
1:19:08the prophet Muhammad sallallam in the
1:19:10Bible? That's a whole debate and it's a
1:19:11great topic and there's a bunch of them
1:19:13that we can talk about. There's the
1:19:14concept of and I I you know what? I'm
1:19:16very tempted to mention all the
1:19:17different verses, but then we're going
1:19:18to go down a whole debate.
1:19:20>> I won't I just want my point is please
1:19:23just let me finish my point.
1:19:24>> Yeah, go ahead.
1:19:25>> You're totally right that this is making
1:19:26a claim that the prophet Muhammad
1:19:28wasallam is in the Bible and you have
1:19:30the right
1:19:30>> in what?
1:19:31>> In in the scriptures that they had with
1:19:32you said Bible, right?
1:19:33>> Well, it says, excuse me. So, let let me
1:19:36let me let me be more accurate so I
1:19:37don't mess around.
1:19:39It's in the Torah and the Injil that is
1:19:40what that is with them.
1:19:42>> Okay. So, now that we're on the same
1:19:43page here,
1:19:44>> okay, so right now prophecy.
1:19:46>> Exactly. That is a great question and
1:19:49that is a great debate topic.
1:19:51>> We're trying to establish
1:19:52>> dodgeball. [laughter]
1:19:54Dodgeball.
1:19:55>> You're you're absolutely right. I am Let
1:19:57me explain to you why. Because today
1:19:59we're talking we're waiting for the
1:20:01unequivocal verse that demonstrates that
1:20:03today's Bible is corrupt. This verse
1:20:05doesn't help you.
1:20:05>> Besides the 20 verses I gave you,
1:20:07>> friend. You understand why I went to
1:20:087157?
1:20:09>> So So let I just want make to make sure
1:20:11the the the um the audience understands
1:20:13what I'm doing right now. I am fully
1:20:16avoiding going down the rabbit hole of
1:20:18saying let me show you this verse and
1:20:20this verse and this verse that is still
1:20:21preserved that is still original that
1:20:24does talk about the prophet Muhammad
1:20:26sallallam in the Bible you're right I am
1:20:27dodging that because we're going to go
1:20:29down a huge rabbit hole but I what I do
1:20:31want to confirm
1:20:32>> is that thus far you haven't given us
1:20:34>> you can keep preaching me to the office
1:20:36that confirms that today's Bible
1:20:39>> is authentic and therefore the Islamic
1:20:41dilemma which is on the table has not
1:20:43been established Keep on doing meat to
1:20:45your crowd over here. Okay. Now, let's
1:20:46come back here.
1:20:47>> Sure.
1:20:48>> Do you know I went to 757?
1:20:50>> Yeah. Yeah. Following your rabbit trail.
1:20:53>> Yes. Yes.
1:20:53>> Why is it when you bring a verse and I
1:20:55try to use it to nail you with it, you
1:20:56then run from it?
1:20:57>> No, no, no. Let me explain what I'm
1:20:59doing. I did go into the Arabic to
1:21:01demonstrate that based on the Arabic
1:21:03language and based on the conscious
1:21:05edits and based on so therefore
1:21:07contextually and specifically, this is
1:21:09not affirming the entirety of the Bible.
1:21:11It's affirming what? that the prophet
1:21:12Muhammad wasallam is in your book. Now
1:21:14you're like, "Good. Let's change a topic
1:21:15to the prophet Muhammad." No, that's not
1:21:17it. I'm not interested in that. Now, you
1:21:18notice I let him repeat the same point
1:21:20eight times and we go nowhere because he
1:21:22doesn't even know what I'm trying to
1:21:23establish.
1:21:24>> You keep making claims. You have failed
1:21:26to establish any of your claims. The
1:21:27only reason I went to 7157.
1:21:29>> Yep.
1:21:30>> Is because I want to know and I'm not
1:21:32going into Muhammad in the Bible. I'm
1:21:34going to keep it with Islamic dilemma,
1:21:36but you're too afraid to even give me
1:21:37one example.
1:21:38>> Terrified.
1:21:39>> Exactly. So, can you give me one?
1:21:42Yes.
1:21:42>> What is it? Just one. And I'm not even
1:21:44going to go into M in the Bible.
1:21:45>> Okay. Can we stick to the Islamic
1:21:46dilemma?
1:21:47>> Can you give me one example so I can
1:21:48make my case for the Islamic dilemma?
1:21:51[sighs]
1:21:51>> You don't want to do it?
1:21:52>> No. The Islamic dilemma is not is not
1:21:54proving that it's actually true.
1:21:56>> You're talking to the old G. Don't tell
1:21:58the old G how to establish the Islamic
1:22:00dilemma. Right. I'm going by your words.
1:22:02I know how to establish the Islamic
1:22:03dilemma.
1:22:04>> Can you just give me one prophecy?
1:22:06>> Okay, let me explain. I'll explain it to
1:22:07you.
1:22:07>> Watch. time.
1:22:08>> The sentence the sentence would have
1:22:10been perfectly good by saying
1:22:13you could have said it that way. The one
1:22:15who you find in the Torah and in the
1:22:16gospel. But Allah says
1:22:20this is contrasting what is
1:22:24this is conting
1:22:26this is contrasting what is
1:22:29when you make this it's actually in the
1:22:32Bible guys like I'm now I'm this is my
1:22:34own sort of I'm not right. Notice he
1:22:38said it's the Bible. Good.
1:22:38>> Let me let me let me please finish
1:22:41>> that when this is saying that you can
1:22:44actually find it in their scripture
1:22:45today. When you say the words you can
1:22:47actually find it, what does that imply?
1:22:48That unfortunately other things are
1:22:50missing, but you can still find them.
1:22:52This verse does not prove the Islamic
1:22:53dilemma. It does not say the Bible.
1:22:55>> Please stop repeating that mantra
1:22:56>> authentic.
1:22:57>> Okay,
1:22:57>> I need to I I want to make sure
1:22:58>> I know you're trying to convince them
1:22:59because you're scared they're losing
1:23:01faith. May Jesus save them and bring
1:23:02them to the truth. But let's come back
1:23:03to you. Listen to me.
1:23:06I'm still waiting for an example to make
1:23:09my Islamic dilemma from the verse you
1:23:10ran to. Yeah, you ran to it. I didn't
1:23:13run to it.
1:23:13>> Right. The Islamic the Islamic dilemma
1:23:15has to prove this claim to the
1:23:17>> Can you stop telling me how to Can you
1:23:19give me a verse? Just say
1:23:20>> just so because it because we're going
1:23:22in a circle.
1:23:23>> Yeah.
1:23:24>> Can you give one verse or No.
1:23:26>> Yeah. Yeah. We can talk about Daniel 7
1:23:28talks about in detail about
1:23:29>> I said gospel. You want to go to Daniel
1:23:317? That's fine.
1:23:32>> Yeah. Daniel 7.
1:23:33>> Daniel 7.
1:23:33>> So, okay. Fine. If you want to go down
1:23:35this road guys, uh so uh Luke 9:26 talks
1:23:38about the son of man that is different
1:23:39and distinct from let me please finish
1:23:41distinct from Jesus and therefore he
1:23:43will come in the doxa the glory of the
1:23:46father. So obviously if it's the glory
1:23:48hold on the glory of a person hold on if
1:23:50it's the glory of a single person
1:23:53>> uh uh then that would be very little.
1:23:55But if it's the glory of the father then
1:23:56it's going to be the most amount of dxa.
1:23:57The word doxa is related to the word and
1:23:59if it's the most of it that means it's
1:24:01ahmed the most praiseworthy person. This
1:24:04is all explained.
1:24:04>> This is not really a title.
1:24:06>> Hold on. This is all explained very
1:24:07beautifully in Dean responds. Upcoming
1:24:10book. Dean, you wanted a plug. I got you
1:24:12your plug, homie. So, Dean responds.
1:24:14He's going to explain all this in
1:24:15detail.
1:24:15>> Oh, right there, Dean. And I destroyed
1:24:17your argument on my YouTube channel.
1:24:19[laughter] I buried your book, homie. By
1:24:21the grace of Jesus Christ.
1:24:22>> So, yes, I'm sure you you said you
1:24:24wanted to sing, right? You want to sing?
1:24:26You know the song? Many people are too
1:24:27young to remember this song, but you're
1:24:28old enough to remember. It's Istanbul
1:24:31Constantinople. It's Istanbul not
1:24:33Constantinople. You know that song
1:24:34music.
1:24:35>> Do you remember that song? Istanbul.
1:24:36Istanbul not Constantinople.
1:24:38>> You remember that song?
1:24:39>> Well, I know I don't. But it's okay. I
1:24:40believe you. So, okay. So, what
1:24:41happened? What happened to
1:24:43Constantinople? It's now Istanbul.
1:24:45>> Okay. Is that
1:24:45>> I didn't tell you to go on a tangent.
1:24:47Just stick with Luke.
1:24:48>> Daniel 7, four different empires. Which
1:24:50one destroyed the final beast? And which
1:24:52one established montheism all over the
1:24:54world?
1:24:54>> To the gospel of the God
1:24:59>> the same Luke. So that's that's that's
1:25:02>> guys now watch. He went to Luke right
1:25:03now the the janaza for his argument.
1:25:05[laughter] You mean the same Luke that
1:25:07says that Jesus died on the cross and
1:25:10that repentance and forgiveness of sins
1:25:12will be preached in his name to all
1:25:13nations. The same Luke that said that
1:25:15Jesus rose from the dead. When you
1:25:17appeal to Luke, you destroyed Islam. You
1:25:19proved to me Muhammad is an antichrist.
1:25:22Louder.
1:25:23>> That's the Islamic dilemma. [laughter]
1:25:25>> Did you say Islamic? Oh no, no, no. Let
1:25:27me make my point. Why don't you preach?
1:25:28>> Go for it. Go for it. That's what I was
1:25:29waiting for you to do to go to my gospel
1:25:31because I'm going to say, "Wait, wait,
1:25:32wait." So that verse you're saying is
1:25:35Muhammad. But the entire gospel that
1:25:37says the Quran is a lie because it says
1:25:40Jesus was killed,
1:25:42>> was buried, was raising risen on the
1:25:44third day. And that Jesus says
1:25:47repentance and forgiveness will be
1:25:48proclaimed in my name, his name to all
1:25:50the nations, which contradicts the
1:25:52Quran. Oh no, it's corrupt. And you're
1:25:55going to convince us that mom is a
1:25:57prophet. Way to go.
1:25:59>> Thank you.
1:25:59>> Okay, good.
1:26:00>> Now, you want to go to Surah Maida for I
1:26:02want to I want to respond.
1:26:03>> Okay, but we're not doing Muhammad,
1:26:04right?
1:26:04>> See how patient I was. I didn't even I
1:26:06didn't I try not to even
1:26:07>> You notice I let him speak six minutes.
1:26:08I only get like 20 30 seconds, right?
1:26:10And I'm not complaining. Sorry.
1:26:11[laughter]
1:26:12>> Now, I'm not going to Muhammad in the
1:26:14Bible.
1:26:15>> No, no,
1:26:16>> Be fair. [clears throat] Be fair,
1:26:17>> buddy. I didn't go in the Do you
1:26:18understand my anger man?
1:26:20>> No, no, wait. No, no, no, no. Don't run
1:26:21because you're going to preach for 20
1:26:22minutes.
1:26:23>> Did you understand why I wanted you to
1:26:25mention the Gospel of Luke?
1:26:27Hey friend. Yeah,
1:26:28>> I don't know what this means.
1:26:29>> I'm letting you I'm literally not
1:26:30talking.
1:26:31>> Okay. Can you repeat why I went to Luke?
1:26:33I mean, why I use Luke? What was the
1:26:35point? Not Muhammad in the Bible. What
1:26:36was the point of me using Luke? I want
1:26:38to see if you got the argument.
1:26:39>> Uh, you just made a whole point. I'm
1:26:40going to respond to it. I'm not going to
1:26:41run down a rabbit hole. I'm going to
1:26:42respond.
1:26:42>> Okay. So, just issue. Don't go on a
1:26:44tangent. Daniel 7 because that's going
1:26:46to bury your religion. Daniel 7. But
1:26:48let's focus why I went to Luke to make a
1:26:50part of the Islamic. I want to see if
1:26:51you understood the argument. Go ahead.
1:26:53>> We're doing great. As long as we can
1:26:55take our time, we're doing good. Good
1:26:56stuff. No pressure.
1:26:57>> Good. Good.
1:26:58>> Fantastic. Um, now we are just
1:27:01officially we're changing the subject.
1:27:03>> Just just to be clear. Just to be clear.
1:27:04Now he wants to know. Now he wants to
1:27:06know. Please, let's get away from the
1:27:08Islamic dilemma and stop trying to
1:27:10confirm. Instead, what I want to do is I
1:27:12want to describe
1:27:13>> do do the gospels describe Jesus as
1:27:15being uh uh killed on the cross, which
1:27:18yes, you're right. They do. They also
1:27:19describe him praying to be saved and
1:27:21they also affirm that uh his name is Asa
1:27:24that means uh or Yeshua which means God
1:27:26saves and also when he talked to the
1:27:28devil and uh the devil said just go
1:27:30ahead. No, no, no. Hold on, hold on.
1:27:32Joadhead, jump off the uh the the the
1:27:34edge here and fall. He said, because you
1:27:36are Psalms 91, you are guaranteed to be
1:27:40protected. Jesus affirmed it, right? And
1:27:43it says what? That they won't be able to
1:27:44harm you. That they will thousands will
1:27:46fall to your right side. They won't be
1:27:47able to touch you. So now you have a
1:27:49huge contradiction. How is it that the
1:27:51Messiah they won't be able to touch him?
1:27:52They won't he will be saved. That that's
1:27:54actually the last word. It's actually
1:27:56related to yin
1:27:58or Yeshua. Basically, Yeshua in Hebrew,
1:28:00not in Arabic.
1:28:01>> That's the last word. And it says in the
1:28:03second last verse, that's verse 16. If
1:28:04you look at verse 15, what does it talk
1:28:06about? It talks about him being honored,
1:28:08not turned into a curse. Honored. So,
1:28:10now you have this huge contradiction.
1:28:11How is it that he's praying to be saved?
1:28:13He says in John that my prayers are
1:28:14always heard, that he's that he's
1:28:16called. So, you get my point. So, now
1:28:18he's right. He's right. He's I'm I'm
1:28:20going to I'm going to concede his point.
1:28:21I'm going to concede his point that you
1:28:23do have this huge contradiction, a bunch
1:28:25of verses saying that he was killed and
1:28:26died for the sins and so on and so
1:28:27forth. But then you also have all these
1:28:28predictions that he will not be harmed,
1:28:31not be touched, prayed to be saved, was
1:28:33saved, right? And that he will be even
1:28:35this Psalms 91 says he will be raised
1:28:37up. What do the Muslims believe? That he
1:28:39was saved by being taken up. So subhan
1:28:41Allah, you have this contradiction. How
1:28:43beautiful. Alhamdulillah that the Quran
1:28:44comes,
1:28:45>> you finish preaching so I can destroy
1:28:46your distortion 91. So, so the Quran now
1:28:50is clarifying their distortions,
1:28:52affirming what he wanted affirmation of
1:28:55the Ahmed coming. I gave it to him
1:28:57linguistically. I talked about how his
1:28:59empire will take over the the the fourth
1:29:01beast, the final beast, right? And
1:29:03destroy the Roman Empire and establish
1:29:04Islam everywhere. I gave him all that.
1:29:06But you're right. He's going to point to
1:29:07contradictions of that. That's the
1:29:08point. The Bible has a bunch of
1:29:09>> contra so I can now destroy your every
1:29:12>> And now he wanted he begged and I I
1:29:14tried to resist. I tried to resist
1:29:16talking about the prophetam in the
1:29:17Bible. He kept insisting. So he gave his
1:29:20point. I gave my point. Now you're going
1:29:21to give response. And now we've changed
1:29:22the subject. Go ahead.
1:29:23>> No, no, no. We're not going to change
1:29:24because I know you want me to run from
1:29:25Islam because it's you're burying you.
1:29:27>> I want to run from you. I'm saying give
1:29:28me the verse. This one doesn't help.
1:29:29>> Can you like control yourself with God
1:29:31logic? Control yourself, dude. You're a
1:29:33grown man.
1:29:35>> Please cuz I want to do shish kebab on
1:29:37your arguments.
1:29:37>> You quote Psalm 91 11-12. What's the
1:29:39verse after that?
1:29:40>> Psalms 91 11.
1:29:42>> What's the verse after that?
1:29:43>> 11 to 12 is after that's 13. What's does
1:29:45it say?
1:29:47>> Are you asking me about verse 13?
1:29:48>> Because you went to Psalm 91 with Jesus
1:29:50and saying because you don't know the
1:29:51Quran, let alone the Bible.
1:29:53>> What does it say? Psalm 91 112.
1:29:56>> You don't know.
1:29:56>> I know that all of 16 all of from 1 to
1:29:5916 describes how he will not be touched.
1:30:01He will not be harmed. You won't be able
1:30:02to get to him. Anyway, which is the
1:30:04opposite of being
1:30:07stop [clears throat] preaching.
1:30:07>> Which is the opposite of the worst
1:30:09punishment anybody has ever gotten.
1:30:10>> What does 13 say?
1:30:12>> Tell me.
1:30:13>> Tell me. You have have you read it?
1:30:14>> Yeah.
1:30:15>> Okay. What does it say?
1:30:16>> I haven't memorized it.
1:30:17>> You don't know the context,
1:30:18>> my friend.
1:30:19>> Now, I'm not going to let you run to
1:30:21crucifixion. All I was establishing,
1:30:24which you then went into a 20-minute
1:30:25rant,
1:30:26>> if you want, set it up. Does the gospels
1:30:28contradict crucifixion? And does the
1:30:30Quran deny the crucifixion? Because I'll
1:30:32do a worshish kebab.
1:30:34>> Set it up. I'm telling you, let's make
1:30:35>> me hungry.
1:30:36>> Okay, but let's come back to the point.
1:30:38>> The fact that you admitted,
1:30:40>> it's all I wanted to do. It's not to
1:30:42convince the Muslim
1:30:45that [clears throat] the Quran
1:30:48established Islamic dilemma. What I was
1:30:50establishing is if you're going to do to
1:30:52the Christian, I'm going to remind you
1:30:53of your argument and say Muhammad is in
1:30:56your Bible.
1:30:58>> Okay, let me show you. Okay.
1:30:59>> Okay. And say which Bible? Gospel Luke.
1:31:02Oh, wow. The gospel that says Jesus was
1:31:05killed and raised and ascended and sits
1:31:06at the right hand of God. Does Muhammad
1:31:08believe that? No. Then he's an
1:31:10antichrist. That's all I was
1:31:11establishing. YOU WENT ON A 15S 91. I've
1:31:15addressed all of these, my friend.
1:31:16>> Beautiful.
1:31:17>> Okay. So, let's stick with the Islamic
1:31:19dilemma. If I follow your advice, Daniel
1:31:227 buries the Quran.
1:31:24>> That's not Islamic dilemma now.
1:31:26>> Okay. It is because
1:31:26>> the Islamic dilemma is the Quran affirms
1:31:28the Bible. You're talking about You're
1:31:29talking about Daniel.
1:31:30>> I told you I didn't want to go on this
1:31:31tangent.
1:31:32>> Okay. Now, I finish the point.
1:31:33>> You for me to I I'm such a nice guy.
1:31:35>> Can you Let me finish the point. Can you
1:31:37control yourself? I'm going to go
1:31:38preacher mode again as you call it.
1:31:40Christians are waiting for the Quranic
1:31:42verse that affirms the Bible. They don't
1:31:43want to know about Daniel, right? Okay.
1:31:45They don't want to go.
1:31:46>> Can you control yourself? Daniel 7 will
1:31:49bury the theology of Islam. But I'm not
1:31:50going to let you run. We can set it up
1:31:52and I'll take Dean's response book and I
1:31:54can use it for decoration. I'll bury it
1:31:57>> because it's beautiful.
1:31:57>> Okay. Yes. Now, you also lied about the
1:32:00word Hammed and Das because you depend
1:32:02on his argument.
1:32:04>> What's the Arabic word for glory? What
1:32:06is the Arabic word for glory? Maybe is
1:32:09one of them.
1:32:09>> Say it again.
1:32:10>> Perhaps.
1:32:10>> And what does it come from? What root?
1:32:12>> Sabah.
1:32:13>> So doas or doxa corresponds to not ahmed
1:32:18praiseworthy. So that's the first
1:32:20mistake because you blindly follow
1:32:22another guy.
1:32:23>> I'm
1:32:24not I'm not saying that.
1:32:25>> I don't want to change I don't want to
1:32:26change.
1:32:26>> Arabic is a very rich language. I want
1:32:27Islamic dilemma.
1:32:28>> Arabic is a very rich language. You
1:32:29can't just limit it to one. But go
1:32:30ahead.
1:32:30>> No, that's all right. I don't want to go
1:32:32off tangents. I'm the one keeping on
1:32:34Islamic DMA. You ran and you're saying
1:32:35I'm changing. No, I was trying to
1:32:36establish a point.
1:32:37>> You begged me. You begged me to change
1:32:39subjects. Go ahead.
1:32:40>> Go ahead. Go ahead.
1:32:40>> Okay. Now, I'm going to I'm going to
1:32:41prove you don't get the argument. Repeat
1:32:43what my argument was.
1:32:44>> That you're right and I'm wrong. Can we
1:32:46go on to the to the Islamic dilemma now?
1:32:49>> My we deal with we dealt with 7157.
1:32:51>> Yeah. I want Let me repeat what the
1:32:52point was. The moment you tell a
1:32:54Christian or Jew,
1:32:56>> Muhammad is in your Bible, it's the end
1:32:58of Islam. Oh, you mean my Bible that
1:32:59says he's an antichrist? Good.
1:33:01>> That's it. You can say that part is
1:33:03corrupt. Oh, thank you for further
1:33:05confirming Muhammad is exposed as a
1:33:08fraud because you have to say my Bible's
1:33:09corrupt to salvage his reputation. That
1:33:12was it.
1:33:12>> I made my point there. So, I don't I
1:33:13don't Now, let's go to surah al 548. The
1:33:16shish kebab.
1:33:17>> The shish kebab is coming, my friend.
1:33:20>> You guys got it all right.
1:33:21>> 547bar.
1:33:22Go ahead.
1:33:24>> 548.
1:33:26>> Which one? Don't you want to start with
1:33:27547 first?
1:33:28>> No, I want to go with you said and I'm
1:33:30going with you.
1:33:32>> Yep.
1:33:32>> Okay. Moan,
1:33:34>> try to make your case for me because I
1:33:35know what you're going to say.
1:33:37>> Okay, sure. Uh, would you like the def
1:33:38the dictionary definition of the word?
1:33:40>> Would you like me to give you the
1:33:40commentators, too? Iban Cir and Tabari
1:33:42and
1:33:43>> if we want to go down the uh commentator
1:33:45dilemma, that would be a lot of fun. Cuz
1:33:47like I said, let me let me let me say
1:33:49this.
1:33:49>> The commentator dilemma is he brings
1:33:51certain comments that have opinions
1:33:54about Muaymon and then I bring an
1:33:55avalanche of verses that have other
1:33:58comments about this word Muay and then
1:34:00we go back and forth into this
1:34:01commentary dilemma. Tell me what it
1:34:02means. But but yeah, if we just go to a
1:34:04dictionary, I'm going to take a look at
1:34:06>> I'm going to give you the Islamic
1:34:07dictionary, but go ahead.
1:34:12He says what that.
1:34:21So what does this say? I know you know
1:34:23some Arabic, you're pretty good. So it
1:34:24says the Muhe gives the sense that the
1:34:26Quran is the controller and the
1:34:27criterion over what came in previous
1:34:29scriptures of reports and laws
1:34:31especially where they say it again. Say
1:34:33it again.
1:34:33>> Especially Repeat that part slowly.
1:34:35Especially where they start.
1:34:37>> Goodness gracious. Four times.
1:34:38Especially where they didn't even hear
1:34:41me.
1:34:41>> Five times.
1:34:42>> I'll do it six times. Start from the
1:34:44beginning.
1:34:45>> How many? Why?
1:34:45>> So because I want to catch you in your
1:34:47definition. Read it again. Start at the
1:34:49beginning.
1:34:50>> Okay.
1:34:51>> Okay. Start at the beginning. I wanted
1:34:53because it actually made my point.
1:34:54>> I just want to finish the quote once. I
1:34:56just want I want to finish the quote
1:34:57once. He didn't let me finish it once. I
1:34:59just want to be clear.
1:35:00>> Go ahead. Go ahead.
1:35:01>> Please just let me read it. Okay.
1:35:02>> Yeah.
1:35:03>> Muay gives the sense that the Quran is
1:35:05the controller and criterion over what
1:35:07came in the previous scriptures of
1:35:09reports and laws, especially where they
1:35:11differ from the Quran.
1:35:13>> Thank you.
1:35:14>> Read it one more time.
1:35:15>> Oh god, man. Really?
1:35:17>> Yes. Because you're going to make my
1:35:18point. Read it again.
1:35:20I I
1:35:21>> read one more time because I'm gonna now
1:35:22bring you I'm in such a generous mood.
1:35:24>> Yeah.
1:35:25>> Slowly.
1:35:25>> The word muan gives the sense that the
1:35:28Quran is the controller and criterion
1:35:30over what came in the previous
1:35:31scriptures of reports and laws
1:35:34especially where they differ from the
1:35:35Quran.
1:35:36>> Exactly.
1:35:36>> Thank you.
1:35:37>> Now I you say thank you but you still
1:35:39didn't get how it's going to bury your
1:35:41case. Of course. Because what's the
1:35:42context of surah 548
1:35:45>> without looking it up? I'm not even
1:35:46looking up.
1:35:46>> Just in case.
1:35:47>> No, no, no, no. You're the one who
1:35:48memorized the Quran. It's not my book.
1:35:50>> What's Yeah. Yeshua. [laughter]
1:35:53Okay. What's the context of 548?
1:35:55>> Just tell me. Just make your case. It's
1:35:56okay. It's okay.
1:35:57>> Wait. Wait. You quoted a verse.
1:35:58>> Yeah.
1:35:59>> You don't know what the context is?
1:36:01>> You know the context.
1:36:02>> What are we?
1:36:03>> And by the way, I'm actually trying to
1:36:04be quiet. He's he's
1:36:05>> No, I want you to read it.
1:36:06>> I just did.
1:36:07>> Jal, I want you to see this.
1:36:09>> Jalain Porto.
1:36:11>> I'm going to do them better. I'm going
1:36:12to give them as Muslim scholars. They're
1:36:14the best at lexar. No, because take it
1:36:17easy, man. Read 548. Open it up for me.
1:36:19548. Open it. Read it for me. Read it.
1:36:22Yeah.
1:36:30Okay. Here's even better.
1:36:33Actually, you know what? Actually, you
1:36:34know what? Let's Let's Because you said
1:36:35you want context, right? Read it. Are
1:36:36you going to let me talk to you?
1:36:37>> 4348. Don't get animated. Control
1:36:39yourself.
1:36:39>> 4348. That's the context.
1:36:41>> If you say I'm waiting.
1:36:42>> Can we read it in English? Cuz
1:36:44>> No, he's trying to impress people. But
1:36:45I'm okay. I I want him to because I want
1:36:47him to get all because he's got to dole
1:36:48out me to his audience because he's not
1:36:50doing too good. So, keep going. Read it.
1:36:5243 to 48.
1:36:53>> If you ask someone to give context, you
1:36:54do realize it's going to take a minute,
1:36:56right?
1:36:57>> Hold on. Did you remember? No, wait. You
1:36:59don't want me to talk.
1:37:00>> Okay. This guy's a pillow. It's
1:37:01disgusting that he has to act this way,
1:37:03but it's okay. I'm going to stick to his
1:37:04level.
1:37:05>> Did you notice that when I went to 5 46
1:37:0845 I said the context was 43 and we went
1:37:11through it. That was like 20 minutes
1:37:12ago.
1:37:13>> We read the context, right? Why is he
1:37:15playing these games?
1:37:16>> Because now we're coming to the
1:37:17conclusion
1:37:18>> and I'm going to tell him what the
1:37:19conclusion is. If he reads it, he's
1:37:22going to bury his case. I'm ready for
1:37:24these arguments.
1:37:25>> But I still didn't establish Islamic
1:37:27dilemma. No, no, no, no.
1:37:28>> Can you read it now for us? 48. Let's
1:37:30see what the context says. Read it for
1:37:31us.
1:37:32>> So when you say read it, then you say
1:37:33the context. I'm going to go to 47.
1:37:34>> You can read 43.
1:37:36>> Good. So this is going to take a second
1:37:37because now you want context.
1:37:38>> Take 20 seconds.
1:37:39>> Thank you. Allah says, I'm gonna read in
1:37:42English. No problem.
1:37:42>> Okay. Okay. Allah says, "And let the
1:37:45people of the gospel judge by what Allah
1:37:48has revealed therein. And whoever does
1:37:51not judge by what Allah has revealed,
1:37:52then it is those who are the defiantly
1:37:54disobedient." Let me explain. Thank you
1:37:57very much. People of does it say, "Let
1:37:59the people of the gospel judge by the
1:38:02gospel." It does not say that. It
1:38:04specifically says, "Let the people of
1:38:05the gospel judge by revelation."
1:38:09Specifically, it changes the word. Why
1:38:11would it do that? Because we know that
1:38:13Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are
1:38:15reports, historical reports. Jesus
1:38:17wasn't sitting around receiving
1:38:19revelation that, oh, this is Mark's
1:38:22perspective of what happened today.
1:38:23Here's Luke's perspective of what
1:38:25happened today. Why would you need
1:38:27revelation of your own biography from
1:38:29the perspective of four different people
1:38:31that you hang around? That's clearly not
1:38:33what's happening. It's these are
1:38:34historical documents. So God is saying,
1:38:35hold on, let me just continue here. So
1:38:37God is saying, you are people of the
1:38:39gospel, right? Then restrict yourself to
1:38:42revelation. This is an impossible
1:38:44challenge. The Quran gives lots of
1:38:46impossible challenges. The Quran says
1:38:48produce a book like it. And then the
1:38:50solution is you can't since you cannot
1:38:52produce a book like it. Therefore, you
1:38:53know it's the Quran. That's one example.
1:38:55Here's another example of an impossible
1:38:56challenge. Let's go through it.
1:38:57>> You want to go through the verse and
1:38:58stop preaching.
1:38:59>> Now I'm going I'm going I'm going
1:39:00through that.
1:39:00>> Stop twisting the text with your tongue.
1:39:02>> Beautiful. Thank you. You said you'd
1:39:03give me some time
1:39:03>> because I want to Yeah. It's giving the
1:39:05impossible challenge of saying rest if
1:39:08your people have the gospel restrict
1:39:09yourself to revelation and since they
1:39:11cannot therefore god says what he says
1:39:14we have revealed to you a book in truth
1:39:17confirming what preceded since you don't
1:39:19have fully everything that's there no
1:39:20problem we're going to give you a book
1:39:21that has a dual function it confirms
1:39:23from the past but it also corrects the
1:39:25distortions and then what is the
1:39:27conclusion this is a beautiful part that
1:39:28Allah after saying this says what
1:39:32so therefore judge between them Muhammad
1:39:34wasallam using what? The Quran. So this
1:39:37very clearly establishing an impossible
1:39:39challenge and giving the solution.
1:39:41>> Keeps preaching. No, then I have to cut
1:39:42him off. You didn't finish the verse.
1:39:44>> We can keep going if you want. Go ahead.
1:39:46Read as much as you want.
1:39:46>> You preached for 10 minutes, brother.
1:39:48I'm going to shush kebab. I'm going to
1:39:49shish kebab. The argument. Keep talking.
1:39:51>> Read the entire verse and in English
1:39:54slow because the context is not going to
1:39:55bury your entire case. What you just
1:39:56said.
1:39:57>> Yeah. So judge
1:39:57>> everything you said that verse just
1:39:59buried.
1:40:01Now read the verse. So judge between
1:40:02them by what Allah has revealed and do
1:40:04not follow their inclinations away from
1:40:06what has come to you of the truth. To
1:40:08each of you we prescribed A LAW
1:40:10>> EMPHASIZE THAT.
1:40:11>> YES.
1:40:13OKAY. [laughter] All right. Emphasize
1:40:16that part.
1:40:17>> That Yes. The part
1:40:18>> to each of you what?
1:40:19>> Yes. Exactly what you confirmed earlier.
1:40:20>> No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
1:40:20No read. Read. To each of you what?
1:40:21>> Uh uh. What's it called?
1:40:24Haj. There you go.
1:40:25>> Okay. Translate.
1:40:26>> Yes. Law and method.
1:40:28>> You just Yep.
1:40:29>> fought against your own god. You just
1:40:31said, let me explain. You just said to
1:40:33everyone, they can't judge by the
1:40:35gospel. It's impossible. Your God said
1:40:37you're a liar because we ascribed to
1:40:39them their own law and path. How could
1:40:42they follow a law that you said is not
1:40:44possible? That's why they need the
1:40:45Quran. Read that part again. Music to my
1:40:47ears.
1:40:48>> I have no idea what just can you look.
1:40:50I'm being sincere now. Can you just make
1:40:51your point a little
1:40:52>> Tell me that because you went preaching
1:40:53for 20 minutes.
1:40:54>> I just want you to make your point a
1:40:54little clearer. That's all. Let me let
1:40:56me get the verse up for you and then
1:40:57we're going to see if the commentators
1:40:58the best Lexington agree with him.
1:41:01>> 548
1:41:02if you had read in context destroyed
1:41:05your case. But you see this why you
1:41:06preach into the choir here. And if you
1:41:08want to convince people come Muslims,
1:41:10you'll be one of the best apologists for
1:41:11Christianity. You're going to drive them
1:41:13to Christ. I'm just saying. And unto
1:41:15thee have we revealed scripture with the
1:41:17truth confirming whatever scripture was
1:41:19before it. Watch over it. So judge
1:41:22between them by that which Allah hath
1:41:24revealed and follow not their desires
1:41:26away from the truth which hath come unto
1:41:27thee. For each we have appointed a
1:41:29divine law. For each does that include
1:41:33the Christians.
1:41:34>> Uh that uh this means that yes when it
1:41:36comes to
1:41:36>> where's their law?
1:41:37>> Can can I can I can I answer you?
1:41:38>> No, you can't preach because I let you
1:41:39preach. You got to interact dialogue.
1:41:41Where's their law?
1:41:42>> I would like to answer you.
1:41:43>> Go ahead.
1:41:44uh maybe 20 to 30 minutes ago you were
1:41:46very charitable in saying that I
1:41:48understand that there's continuity in
1:41:50the belief system and sometimes laws can
1:41:52change in in small amounts and I
1:41:54appreciated that so much. I said, "Thank
1:41:56you for allowing me to explain that
1:41:58there's continuity while uh based on
1:41:59different time periods and eras, there
1:42:02may be differences in the Sharia."
1:42:03That's it. That's
1:42:04>> No, that's not what I asked you. So, you
1:42:05don't answer questions.
1:42:06>> Oh, come on, man.
1:42:07>> Where is the law that Allah gave to the
1:42:09Christians? Because you just said, you
1:42:12recorded. Thank God. It's going to be
1:42:13unedited.
1:42:13>> It's in the past.
1:42:14>> No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. Let me
1:42:16make Let me repeat it. You said for the
1:42:18people here and the camera
1:42:21Allah is asking them to do something
1:42:22impossible to show them they need the
1:42:24Quran because they don't have the law in
1:42:25Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I say I
1:42:27hear you.
1:42:27>> No, no, I didn't say that at all.
1:42:29>> Didn't you just say
1:42:30>> No, I said, look, look, look at the
1:42:31wording. Just look at the wording. It's
1:42:32right there.
1:42:32>> No, no, not here. Earlier when you Yeah.
1:42:35Yeah. No, it doesn't say
1:42:36>> Remember you said that, right?
1:42:37>> It doesn't say law.
1:42:38>> It says what?
1:42:39>> What is Oh, come on, man. Give me a
1:42:42second because you just you just
1:42:43misqued. I'm just going to clarify.
1:42:47That's not the part we're 48.
1:42:48>> That's not That's not That's not Sharia.
1:42:50That's not Sharia. So you
1:42:52>> 548
1:42:53friend, it says Sharia that we gave to
1:42:56each one a Sharia. Does that include the
1:42:58Christians
1:42:58>> that uh they it's very likely that every
1:43:01single prophet he would
1:43:02>> it says here and
1:43:03>> you don't want to hear me.
1:43:04>> No, because you're going on tangents.
1:43:06Each we have appointed divine. Who's
1:43:08each?
1:43:09>> Each nation each. What? It doesn't say
1:43:10the word nation there.
1:43:11>> 548 for each. What's in context?
1:43:13>> He would have made you one nation. Yeah.
1:43:14So it's talking about nations. No, no.
1:43:15Earlier where it says for each we have
1:43:17appointed a law and a
1:43:18>> each of you prescribed a law and a
1:43:19method. Yes.
1:43:20>> Who's the each in the context?
1:43:22>> I'm saying based on the very next few
1:43:24words.
1:43:28It's nations. Nations.
1:43:29>> Which nation in the context?
1:43:31>> Uh talking about Jews, Christians or
1:43:33different nations.
1:43:33>> So what is the law given to the
1:43:35Christians by your God?
1:43:36>> I would love to go back in time.
1:43:37>> There we go again.
1:43:38>> Let me let me answer. I'm answering you.
1:43:39I would love to go back in time to the
1:43:41time of the
1:43:42>> time machine next time for a debate.
1:43:43>> Is that what you're going to say? What
1:43:44I'm what I'm saying is that um if we
1:43:47went back in time to see which technical
1:43:50differences like for example I'll give
1:43:51an example let me
1:43:53>> you don't need an example just
1:43:54>> I'll make it very clear I'll make it
1:43:55very clear I'll make it very clear at
1:43:57the beginning of Islam
1:43:58>> when the prophet Muhammad wasallam uh
1:44:00was preaching the message alcohol wasn't
1:44:01prohibited and then in stages it became
1:44:03prohibited
1:44:04>> so there can be an argument made that at
1:44:06the time of Jesus it wasn't prohibited
1:44:08>> got it
1:44:08>> so that could be an an element or an
1:44:10example of a the sharia or the law of
1:44:13god having a
1:44:14I'm very glad that you said it very
1:44:16clearly and it was very it was very
1:44:17generous of him to acknowledge that
1:44:19listen even if prophets come in
1:44:20succession and they have the same
1:44:21overall message that laws might differ
1:44:24right in in those details. So, I'm
1:44:26simply acknowledging to him that yes, if
1:44:27we went back in time, we could see
1:44:28exactly the laws of Moses, the laws of
1:44:31Abraham, what specific details were
1:44:33there. I have no problem acknowledging
1:44:35that,
1:44:36>> but now he's saying that no, I need a
1:44:38detailed or whatever.
1:44:40>> You hear me say that? I'm glad this is
1:44:41recorded.
1:44:42>> I said the the nation of the Jew, this
1:44:44is not edited. That's not what I said.
1:44:45>> You asked me which nation. I said
1:44:47various nations, including Jews and
1:44:48Christians.
1:44:49>> Okay,
1:44:49>> buddy. I don't know. Maybe because I'm
1:44:51just stupid. I need to learn how to
1:44:52speak better.
1:44:53Everything you said had nothing to do
1:44:55with my question.
1:44:56>> I unlike you, it's now it's going to go
1:44:58unedited, right? Yep.
1:45:00>> Glory to Jesus Christ. Amen.
1:45:01>> Because people are going to hear I heard
1:45:02everything he said. He can't address
1:45:04anything I said. I went with what you
1:45:06said earlier.
1:45:07>> You said 5:47. The wording is clear.
1:45:09Judge by what's in it. That means not
1:45:11the gospel, but there is some truth in
1:45:13it. But you can't then judge by the law
1:45:15because Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John,
1:45:16they're not law. And the Quran is
1:45:18telling you, see, that's impossible. You
1:45:19need the Quran. Say, I heard you. That's
1:45:21what you said. But let me make the
1:45:23point.
1:45:23>> Okay. I'm I'm not asserting everything
1:45:24you just said right now. That's okay.
1:45:26>> 548 says everything you said is a lie
1:45:29because in 48 it says we gave every one
1:45:32of them a law to follow that's not the
1:45:34same. Then you went on another tangent
1:45:37that one Sharia can abregate another.
1:45:39That wasn't even my argument. I don't
1:45:40even care about that.
1:45:41>> That's the point.
1:45:42>> No, it wasn't the point. Can I tell you
1:45:43what the point is,
1:45:44>> please?
1:45:45>> What was the law that Allah gave to
1:45:48Christians that they're to judge by?
1:45:50What was the law that Allah gave to the
1:45:52Jews in the context of 54348? I didn't
1:45:55even leave the context in 54348. Sorry,
1:45:58what was the context? The Jews, we gave
1:46:02them their law. Let them judge by it.
1:46:04Christians, we gave them the law. Let
1:46:05them you, Muhammad, we gave you a law.
1:46:09You are to judge by it. So, I'm going to
1:46:11ask you, if I ask you, what is the law
1:46:13of Islam? You're going to say Quran and
1:46:15Sunnah. What is the law according to
1:46:18this verse that was given to the
1:46:19Christians at the time of Muhammad that
1:46:21they're supposed to follow because it's
1:46:22talking about his time, not time
1:46:24machine,
1:46:26you know, back to the future. What was
1:46:28the law they had?
1:46:28>> Okay, I'm going to answer you please.
1:46:30>> Cuz you're misrepresenting something.
1:46:31You do realize that the prophet Muhammad
1:46:32was sent to all of mankind.
1:46:35>> That includes Christians, right?
1:46:37>> Yeah. Is it? Okay, there you go.
1:46:39>> So, what is the law that was given to
1:46:40the Christians?
1:46:41>> Uh, we'd have to go back in time and
1:46:42find out exactly what details he was
1:46:44given. Even though in 47 it says right
1:46:45that's the gospel answer you don't know.
1:46:47>> Okay. Now now in the context the
1:46:50definition you gave of Muhamm you made
1:46:53my case. Muhamm in the context is saying
1:46:55to Muhammad
1:46:57your scripture will tell you which parts
1:47:00of the previous have been abrogated. You
1:47:03don't follow which parts I'm binding.
1:47:06That's all that muan means in the
1:47:08context. Muhammad means for you who
1:47:10believe it, you're going to use the
1:47:12Quran to determine whether do I still
1:47:15keep Sabbath? No. The Quran tells you
1:47:17you're free. Should I get circumcised on
1:47:20the 8th day? Well, there's nothing in
1:47:21your Quran or in the Sharia that says
1:47:23that on 8th day. If you want to go to
1:47:24hadith, we're not going to go. But my
1:47:26point is that's what it means. Meaning
1:47:28you Muslims, you follow the Sharia of
1:47:30Muhammad and if his Sharia says you
1:47:33don't need to keep Sabbath, you are
1:47:34free. But you Jews, that's your Sharia,
1:47:37you keep it. That's the context of Muim.
1:47:39It didn't say anything you claimed and I
1:47:41got your scholars to admit it. So why
1:47:44did you twist and add to these words?
1:47:46>> Okay. Who here just added a whole lot of
1:47:50words instead of sticking to the words?
1:47:52I stuck to the words and I stuck to the
1:47:53dictionary definition of these words.
1:47:55You brought a whole world of information
1:47:57that is not present. So what I'm what
1:47:59I'm suggesting to everybody
1:48:00>> is to read these verses yourselves. And
1:48:04I don't I I don't want to reiterate
1:48:06everything I said. You can just rewatch
1:48:07it and understand verse 47 saying that
1:48:10look if you're people of the gospel
1:48:11stick to revelation only not biographies
1:48:16and what's what's beautiful is that
1:48:17>> what does it say that not the
1:48:19biographies
1:48:19>> let me let me let me even I'll even
1:48:20appeal to your Bible okay so not from my
1:48:23perspective but from your perspective
1:48:24how nice is it that Jesus says my
1:48:26teachings are not my own so he's
1:48:27describing that he's receiving some kind
1:48:29of revelation
1:48:30>> where did you quote from
1:48:32>> so no I'm just saying where did you get
1:48:33that from
1:48:33>> from your texts
1:48:34>> so the gospel of John so you You're not
1:48:36letting me finish. No, no, because we're
1:48:37not here to preach. Friend, you've been
1:48:39preaching. I got
1:48:40>> Can Can I actually finish the point? Can
1:48:41I finish the point, please?
1:48:42>> He I've been letting him finish letting
1:48:44you talk.
1:48:45>> You just you went on a 20-minute rant
1:48:48right now and I just kept on going like
1:48:49this.
1:48:49>> You guys been, right?
1:48:50>> So, let me finish.
1:48:51>> You did?
1:48:51>> No, hold on, hold on, wait, wait. Let's
1:48:52let him finish his quick. Thank you. I'm
1:48:54going to
1:48:55>> point is you're confirming.
1:48:56>> No, I'm not. I just say I will. You know
1:48:58how he confirmed it when he goes to my
1:49:00gospel of John to show me that the
1:49:03teaching that God gave Jesus is there
1:49:05for me to follow. He just buried
1:49:06desiring but he doesn't listen.
1:49:08>> Can I you I I didn't get to finish it.
1:49:09>> Yeah.
1:49:10>> Obviously we as Muslims believe that
1:49:12Jesus received revelation. It just so
1:49:14happens that your book which I'm not
1:49:15affirming or denying. I'm simply saying
1:49:17that in your belief system he also
1:49:18received revelation. What he didn't
1:49:20receive was his own biography from four
1:49:22different perspectives. That's what I'm
1:49:24saying. So therefore, when God is
1:49:26saying, "No, if you're really people of
1:49:28the gospel, if you really care about
1:49:29what you know, Jesus taught, etc., then
1:49:31you should judge by revelation."
1:49:33Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John never
1:49:34claim to be revelation. In fact, Luke
1:49:36makes it extremely clear by saying, "I'm
1:49:37running around trying to find reports in
1:49:39Luke 1:es 1-4, he's talking about trying
1:49:42to find reports." You don't need to go
1:49:43get reports from different people if
1:49:44you're receiving revelation. So, nowhere
1:49:46does this confirm revelation. So,
1:49:48therefore, if you just go from there to
1:49:50the next verse, God is saying, "Now that
1:49:51you understand the problem, here's the
1:49:53solution." The Quran is, as I said, by
1:49:56the dictionary definition, a confirming
1:49:58what is true,
1:49:59>> confirming what is consistent with the
1:50:00past,
1:50:01>> correcting whatever distortions may have
1:50:03been there. Read the definition.
1:50:04>> Clarifying. Yeah. Mo, you want to read
1:50:05again?
1:50:05>> No, no, read the definition because you
1:50:07just added to your own definition of
1:50:08that lexicon. Read it again slowly.
1:50:10>> And I'm going to read it slowly. No,
1:50:12we're going to do it 10 times because it
1:50:13takes 10 times to get point. Read your
1:50:14definition again, guys. Listen. I want
1:50:16you to see how not only how he butchered
1:50:18the Quran
1:50:19>> and butchered the Bible. He's butchering
1:50:20the definition. Read it again slowly so
1:50:22we can hear. in Arabic or in English?
1:50:25>> No, that that
1:50:26>> the word the word Muhemon gives the
1:50:28sense that the Quran is the controller
1:50:30and criterion over what came in previous
1:50:33scriptures and of reports and laws,
1:50:37especially where they differ from the
1:50:39Quran.
1:50:39>> Did you see it anywhere it says that it
1:50:41shows where it's been corrupted in his
1:50:43definition? Did you see that? Did you
1:50:45guys hear it? He's not only butchering
1:50:48his own Quran and I have to correct him.
1:50:49A non-Muslim, he's butchering the Bible,
1:50:51I have to correct him. Even the source
1:50:53he quotes confirms and he butchers it.
1:50:56Show me where it said that it shows
1:50:58there's corruption in the text
1:50:59>> because it just says the word meaning
1:51:02these reports that have been brought
1:51:04down.
1:51:04>> What does it say [clears throat]
1:51:04corrupted?
1:51:06>> This what I'm trying to tell you. What
1:51:07I'm trying to tell you is when it says
1:51:09that these are from the reports of what
1:51:10has come that does not mean that they
1:51:12are fully authentic. Doesn't mean that
1:51:14they're fully corrupted. It's simply
1:51:15describing them as let me say
1:51:17>> no I want to repeat come for hundreds of
1:51:19years and we know Christian history is
1:51:21very clear about lots of people making
1:51:22lots of things up about Jesus and the
1:51:24church having to figure out what's right
1:51:26what's wrong etc right so there's a
1:51:28whole canonization process lots of
1:51:30textual variance lots of issues and
1:51:32thank God we have a prophet to come and
1:51:34to confirm what is correct and to filter
1:51:36out what is incorrect this is not like
1:51:39some crazy this is not some crazy theory
1:51:42that requires so much uh you know what's
1:51:44it called mental gymnastics. We know
1:51:45this.
1:51:46>> You done preaching?
1:51:46>> Okay.
1:51:47>> Because everything you said
1:51:48>> Are you not preaching?
1:51:49>> No, I know. It's okay.
1:51:50>> We're both preaching.
1:51:51>> Yeah, I believe it. But everything you
1:51:52said,
1:51:52>> we both from the heart.
1:51:53>> Everything you said
1:51:55>> Yes, sir.
1:51:56>> was not in any of the verses you said.
1:51:58>> No, I'm I'm using the word reports.
1:52:00>> It doesn't matter.
1:52:02That's all.
1:52:03>> No. No. Guys, this is unedited.
1:52:05>> If you fear Allah, you're going to see
1:52:07he cuts me off and speaks more than And
1:52:09I don't mind, but don't whine. Just
1:52:12>> don't don't whine. That's all I'm
1:52:14asking. You need all the time to try to
1:52:17now salvage the destruction you did
1:52:20against your case. Glory to Jesus. I
1:52:21pray you get saved before it's too late.
1:52:23May the Lord save you. Now, coming back
1:52:25to the issue. Coming back to the issue.
1:52:28>> Everything you said,
1:52:30you won't find it in any of the verses
1:52:32we read. Now, I'm going to read the
1:52:33context and I'm not going to add
1:52:35commentary. Guys, I want you to hear the
1:52:36context of 54348. Okay? They have the
1:52:39Torah wherein Allah had delivered
1:52:41judgment. Yet even after they turn away,
1:52:44such folk are not believers. Lo, we did
1:52:48reveal the Torah wherein is guidance and
1:52:50light by which the prophets who
1:52:52surrendered, judge the Jews and the
1:52:55rabbis and the priests, judged by such
1:52:56of Allah's scripture, as are bbidden to
1:52:59observe, there unto witnesses. So fear
1:53:02not mankind, but fear me, and barter not
1:53:04my revelations for little gain. Who so
1:53:07judgeth not by that which Allah hath
1:53:09revealed, such are disbelievers. So it's
1:53:11all about char. I'm sorry. Can you tell
1:53:12me which ayat?
1:53:13>> Five surah maida 4348. We're reading the
1:53:16context. So you read 48.
1:53:18>> You want to go you want you want we we
1:53:19we did this earlier.
1:53:20>> No, but it's okay because I want people
1:53:22to see how much you added to the text.
1:53:24>> Shouldn't we move on to new
1:53:25>> Can I finish the point though?
1:53:26>> Of course you can.
1:53:27>> Okay.
1:53:27>> So I want you to understand it's about
1:53:29Sharia. They have a Sharia. You judge by
1:53:31it. The Jews. No, we've already fine
1:53:32about because we want to talk about the
1:53:34Christians what their Sharia is. We
1:53:36prescribe [clears throat] for them
1:53:37therein the life for the life, the eye
1:53:39for the eye, and the nose for the nose,
1:53:41and the ear for the ear, the tooth for
1:53:43the tooth, wounds for retaliation. But
1:53:45whoever forgoes it, it shall be
1:53:47expeation for him. Who so judgeth not by
1:53:51that which Allah revealed, such a
1:53:53wrongdoers. Now that's you Jews. Don't
1:53:55go to Muhammad. You have a Sharia.
1:53:57That's the context. I want everyone to
1:53:58hear the context.
1:53:59>> Repeat the repeat the verse, please. To
1:54:00tell me exactly which Maida 543 to 48.
1:54:03>> And just which which verse is that? We
1:54:04read 43 to 45. That was 45.
1:54:06>> That's 45. Thank you very much. So you
1:54:08just said that it says that you have to
1:54:09judge by what? Which verse?
1:54:11>> Do I need to reread it again? But
1:54:12>> no, no, just you you made this big
1:54:14assertion. All it's saying,
1:54:15>> so he cuts me off. You can't control
1:54:16them, sir. I didn't finish it.
1:54:18>> Okay.
1:54:18>> How come they come to thee for judgment?
1:54:2143. Why do they come to you for judgment
1:54:24when they have the Torah? wherein Allah
1:54:27hath delivered judgment. Yet even after
1:54:29they did turn away, lo, we did reveal
1:54:31the Torah, wherein is guidance and
1:54:33light, by which the prophets who
1:54:35surrendered, [clears throat] judged the
1:54:37Jews, so they judged by that Torah, the
1:54:39rabbis, the priests, by such of all the
1:54:41scriptures they were bidden to observe,
1:54:43there unto were they witnesses. So fear
1:54:45not mankind, but fear me. Barter not my
1:54:48revelations for little gain. Who so
1:54:50judgeth not by that which Allah
1:54:52revealed. You know what the context is,
1:54:53right? Do I have to show you that at
1:54:54least on about the Torah that has
1:54:56guidance light judge by that? We
1:54:57established that.
1:54:59>> Go on.
1:54:59>> Okay. We prescribe for them therein the
1:55:02life for the life, the eye for the eye,
1:55:04the nose for the nose, the ear for the
1:55:06ear, the tooth for the tooth, wounds
1:55:08retaliation. See a judge. But who so
1:55:11forgoeth it in the way of charity, it
1:55:14shall be expeation for him. Who so
1:55:16judgeth not by that which Allah
1:55:19revealed, such are wrongdoers. So Jews,
1:55:21that's what Allah revealed. Now the
1:55:23Christians, this is where I'm trying to
1:55:24get at. That's why I say each one has a
1:55:25Sharia. And we call Jesus son of Mary to
1:55:28follow in their footsteps,
1:55:30confirming that which was revealed
1:55:32before him in the Torah. We bestowed on
1:55:34him the gospel wherein is guidance
1:55:36light, confirming that which is before
1:55:37it in the Torah, a guidance admonition
1:55:39unto those who ward off evil. Now 47,
1:55:43let the people of the gospel judge by
1:55:45that which Allah hath revealed therein.
1:55:48Who so judgeth not by that which Allah
1:55:50hath revealed such are evil believers.
1:55:52Now we come to 48. The context I'm
1:55:54giving you context. I didn't add. Yeah.
1:55:56Keep you looking at me. Watch here. 20
1:55:59minutes, 10 minutes. Okay. And unto thee
1:56:01we have revealed the scripture with
1:56:03truth, confirming whatever scripture
1:56:05before it. Watch over it. So judge
1:56:08between them by that which all revealed.
1:56:11Follow not their desires away from the
1:56:13truth which hath come unto thee. For
1:56:15each, the context tells you who the each
1:56:18are. You Muslims, you Christians, you
1:56:20Jews, each one of you, we've appointed a
1:56:22law, a traced out way. Had Allah willed,
1:56:26he could have made you one community.
1:56:28But that he may try you by that which he
1:56:30hath given you. So by one other good
1:56:33good works, unto Allah you will return,
1:56:35and he will then inform you of that
1:56:37wherein ye differ. Do we understand the
1:56:38context now?
1:56:40>> Uh
1:56:40>> I didn't add anything. Do you understand
1:56:41the context?
1:56:42>> Let him finish and then I can talk.
1:56:44>> Okay. Because I want you to know if the
1:56:45context right. What's the context?
1:56:47Finish.
1:56:48>> All right.
1:56:48>> He's asking you a question. You got to
1:56:49answer. Yeah. What's the context?
1:56:52>> Can I talk without being interrupted?
1:56:53>> Oh, I don't know if you're going to go
1:56:54on tangents.
1:56:54>> No, I'm going to go into context. Verse
1:56:5741 is even earlier than you start at 43.
1:56:59What does it say?
1:57:02>> That they distort their text. You want
1:57:04to go into context? You start at 43.
1:57:06Just just two verses earlier. Says they
1:57:08distort their text.
1:57:10>> But alhamdulillah, even a broken clock
1:57:12is right twice a day. And when it came
1:57:14to this particular verse in chapter or
1:57:17chapter 5 verse 43, even though God just
1:57:20said in verse 41 that their scriptures
1:57:23are not authentic, God is saying that in
1:57:26their book they did get the right
1:57:27ruling. They were supposed to do what?
1:57:29They were supposed to execute that man
1:57:30for his crime. But since they're so
1:57:32insincere, they tried to dodge it by
1:57:34going to the prophet. And so that means
1:57:36even when they had the correct ruling,
1:57:38despite they have the unfortunately a
1:57:40book that doesn't have everything
1:57:41correct, but thank God they had the
1:57:42right ruling this time, they still tried
1:57:43to dodge it. And so they go to the
1:57:45prophet Muhammad and they and now God is
1:57:47pointing out their incredible hypocrisy.
1:57:49And that's why when you quote chapter uh
1:57:525:44, if we're going to keep going in
1:57:54the context, when you say, "And whoever
1:57:55does not judge by what Allah has
1:57:56revealed, then is those who are the
1:57:57disbelievers," it is saying what that
1:58:00this is how insincere you people are.
1:58:02Whether it be rejecting the prophetam or
1:58:04whether it be that you come across a
1:58:06correct ruling here in your book, you
1:58:09still try to dodge. You have no interest
1:58:11in the truth whatsoever.
1:58:13>> Good.
1:58:14>> By the way, you again butchered 541.
1:58:17Show me where it says they changed the
1:58:19scripture.
1:58:19>> What does the word What does the word
1:58:21moder mean?
1:58:22>> No one ask you. You said scripture,
1:58:23right?
1:58:23>> I'll do what he did. You don't know.
1:58:25>> You don't know. No. [clears throat] I'm
1:58:27going to I'm going to be I'm going to be
1:58:28more show where it says they change.
1:58:30You're older than me, so I'll be more
1:58:31respectful. But show me where it says
1:58:32they change the scripture. Did you guys
1:58:33hear it? He said 541 says they changed
1:58:35the scripture. Read it. Show me where it
1:58:37says scripture.
1:58:37>> Do you know what the word mo there
1:58:38means?
1:58:38>> Open up 54.
1:58:39>> Mo there is the word there. And there it
1:58:42means placements.
1:58:43>> When I speak, let me tell you when I
1:58:46when I one second when I speak words,
1:58:48they go in every direction and they
1:58:50don't land anywhere. Right? But written
1:58:51words have placements.
1:58:53>> Okay? So just read the text itself.
1:58:56>> And it's saying that they mess and they
1:58:57do and they distort the placement of
1:58:59their of their words.
1:59:01So this is very heard that right but he
1:59:02said scripture earlier
1:59:03>> now
1:59:04>> burial number one he said scripture
1:59:05right
1:59:06>> okay so my point is that it is
1:59:08confirming this now I am fully agreeing
1:59:10with you if you want to go to the uh
1:59:11commentary dilemma you can say no forget
1:59:13the commentary just one second you can
1:59:15say that the commentary some of them say
1:59:17that this is twisting the meanings and
1:59:19others will say hold on and others will
1:59:21say it's twisting their actual
1:59:24scriptures in terms of written and
1:59:26alhamdulillah in 1400 years of
1:59:27commentary you'll find plenty of
1:59:28commentary
1:59:29>> I don't you're not having heartburn are
1:59:31you?
1:59:31>> No, because you just destroyed your
1:59:32argument because Okay, let me explain to
1:59:34you. No, no, no, no commentary because
1:59:35let me make my point. See, you don't you
1:59:37go on tangents, man. It's all right. I
1:59:38won't
1:59:38>> wasn't a tangent. I'm answering your
1:59:40question.
1:59:40>> Let me answer.
1:59:41>> Lord have mercy on me. I know. I prayed
1:59:43for patience. Okay. Do you hear it? If
1:59:45the Quran clearly taught the text was
1:59:47corrupted, you wouldn't have a
1:59:49difference of opinion among Muslims who
1:59:51know the Arabic text. You see how he
1:59:52doesn't listen to himself? You just said
1:59:54to the Muslims here, yes, there are
1:59:57commentators who know the Quran, Arabic,
2:00:00alhamdulillah.
2:00:02>> And when they read that, they don't see,
2:00:04oh, they change the words from the con,
2:00:05meaning the text, they change it with
2:00:08their tongues. 378. But you just gave
2:00:11the impression to the Muslims who may
2:00:12not read it. It says they changed the
2:00:14scripture. Why did you misinterpret it?
2:00:17>> Uh, so I am giving room for the fact
2:00:19that in 1400 years of commentary, you
2:00:21can find both positions. Now, I'm I'm
2:00:23I'm gonna I'm gonna assume you're I know
2:00:25we're getting a little warmed up, but
2:00:26we're gonna talk.
2:00:27>> I'm okay. No, brother. I'm excited. I'm
2:00:29excited.
2:00:29>> You are you are charitable enough to say
2:00:31that
2:00:31>> I love you.
2:00:32>> Thank you very much. You are you are you
2:00:33are charitable enough to say that the
2:00:35majority opinion in Islam is that the
2:00:37Bible has been corrupted. Correct.
2:00:38>> Sure.
2:00:39>> Yes. Okay. So, you obviously know that I
2:00:41can find an avalanche of commentaries
2:00:43that will agree with this point. I'm
2:00:44very glad that you said that. So, if you
2:00:46say that, well, it could be interpreted
2:00:47this way. I'm like, yeah, I know. And it
2:00:48can also be interpreted with this
2:00:49avalanche that says otherwise. So that's
2:00:52the context. So verse 41 says there's
2:00:55corruption.
2:00:56>> It just so happens in verse 40 43 it's
2:00:58saying that look even a broken clock is
2:01:00right twice a day. That's why it says
2:01:01they don't just have the Torah they have
2:01:02Torah.
2:01:04>> They actually have God's correct verdict
2:01:07in this particular case. Not not the
2:01:09verdicts of God. Not all of his verdicts
2:01:10but in this particular case they were
2:01:12supposed to do an execution because the
2:01:14guy was did did a certain crime. They
2:01:15didn't want to kill the guy. So they
2:01:16said let's go.
2:01:17>> You're going to had for that
2:01:18interpretation. Right.
2:01:19>> We've talked about it earlier. We talked
2:01:20about it earlier. Yeah. That's good. So
2:01:21my point is just to say that based on
2:01:23that fact, this is a question again, not
2:01:25a not you can't not make an assertion.
2:01:27It's a question saying how do exactly do
2:01:28you reconcile these two ideas that
2:01:30apparently you have all of God's
2:01:31verdicts but you're also going to the
2:01:32prophet. That's a question. And
2:01:33therefore later on when in verse 44
2:01:36going to the context when it says that
2:01:38if you're such a dis a dishonest person
2:01:40that you don't judge by what Allah has
2:01:42revealed whether it be of what you're
2:01:43convinced of in the Torah or whether it
2:01:44be by the prophet Muhammad you're always
2:01:46trying to play games with scripture then
2:01:47this is of someone who rejects the truth
2:01:49and is a disbeliever.
2:01:50>> Okay. Now brother [clears throat] I I
2:01:52want you to go back listen to yourself.
2:01:54Yes.
2:01:54>> Because you admitted you did twist the
2:01:56text indirectly. You admitted it.
2:01:58>> You didn't. Secondly forgive us. You
2:02:00again read into these verses what's not
2:02:03there. That's why I took five, six
2:02:05minutes to read it. I didn't even add
2:02:07commentary. All you've been doing is
2:02:09adding commentary. But I want you to go
2:02:11back. Listen. You just admitted. And I
2:02:14thank the Lord Jesus for that. Yes. The
2:02:17verse didn't say scripture. It says
2:02:19context. And yes, it can be interpreted
2:02:22either way.
2:02:23>> Oh, the word uh uh the word uh female
2:02:25wild there. You said they took the words
2:02:28out of context can mean either the text
2:02:31or but you read it.
2:02:32>> I'll clarify. I'll clarify. No problem.
2:02:34I'll clarify. I'm saying that based on
2:02:36the word placement,
2:02:37>> I'm definitely convinced that this is
2:02:39talking about misplacing words because
2:02:41that's in terms of text. But I'm I'm
2:02:43totally agreeing with you.
2:02:44>> Your opinion is your opinion. We're not
2:02:46asking. We're saying the text.
2:02:47>> I'm saying that scholarly commentary.
2:02:49I'm coming. You're you're you're deep in
2:02:50this stuff. You know, if you want to go
2:02:52deep into the Bible, what's going to
2:02:53happen? And you're going to have so many
2:02:54commentaries over thousands of years of
2:02:56different perspectives, right? And
2:02:57you're going to say, "Look, this is
2:02:58what's stronger based on the wording."
2:03:00This that's okay,
2:03:00>> my brother. I didn't go to commentaries.
2:03:02I know, but see, you're still not
2:03:03getting the point. This is why I'm
2:03:04getting frustrated.
2:03:05>> He's he's telling
2:03:06>> I didn't go to commentaries. You went to
2:03:08the commentaries. And I emphasize I
2:03:10wanted to hear. You admitted in the
2:03:11commentaries there's a group that says
2:03:13it doesn't mean text. I didn't go near
2:03:15commentaries. You keep accusing me of
2:03:17going to the commentaries.
2:03:19>> Swiss is
2:03:19>> I didn't
2:03:20>> that you said
2:03:21>> I'm meeting you where you're at.
2:03:22>> Yeah. So, thank you for admitting the
2:03:24verse didn't say what you said. You've
2:03:25been butchering the verses all day,
2:03:28>> all morning.
2:03:29>> And you say, so let's come back to the
2:03:31context.
2:03:32>> I I I Okay, go ahead. Uh, if anybody got
2:03:34the point, I'm I'm happy for you.
2:03:36>> The point is that this passage is not
2:03:40talking about textual corruption. Yes,
2:03:42the passage not about the Jews will
2:03:44manhandle the commands and try to
2:03:46misinterpret it to get away from
2:03:48carrying out the judgment. That's why
2:03:51the Quran I think that's why the Quran
2:03:53says no no no go to your Torah. You're
2:03:56going to follow the Torah. My point was
2:03:58if I read the context, it didn't
2:04:01establish anything you said. What it's
2:04:02establishing is you Jews, you don't
2:04:04believe Muhammad, right? Follow your
2:04:06Sharia. You Christians, you don't
2:04:08believe Muhammad, follow your Sharia.
2:04:11You do you. You want me to reread again?
2:04:12You're nodding your head. You want me to
2:04:13read it again? Cuz I thought
2:04:14>> I don't I'm not cutting you off.
2:04:15>> Okay. You Muhammad you judge them by the
2:04:19book we've given you and this will be
2:04:21Muhammad in what sense even in your
2:04:24lexical definition the Quran is going to
2:04:26tell you Muslims which part of the
2:04:29previous legislation is binding and
2:04:31which you're freed from.
2:04:33>> I I find this very bizarre because you
2:04:34admitted you acknowledge that the
2:04:35prophet Muhammad is the messenger for
2:04:39he's the messenger for all of mankind.
2:04:40No no I'm saying I'm not saying
2:04:42theologically I'm not saying
2:04:43theologically you believe that. I'm
2:04:44saying you acknowledge that the Quran
2:04:46teaches that the prophet Muhammad is a
2:04:48prophet for mankind.
2:04:49>> No, I'm just going by the passage. What?
2:04:51>> Oh, hold on. Hold on. So So your whole
2:04:53argument depends on the idea that the
2:04:54prophet is not for mankind?
2:04:56>> No, my whole argument depends on you
2:04:58thinking he is and using him against
2:05:00you.
2:05:00>> That I I just you doing a much better
2:05:03job in
2:05:03>> Can repeat it again. Go ahead.
2:05:04>> If I was sitting with Bartman, Sure.
2:05:06>> I once said, "Hey, do you know what
2:05:07Muhammad said?" He goes, "I don't care."
2:05:09>> Sure.
2:05:09>> Last time I checked, you're a Muslim, so
2:05:11I'm going to quote your prophet against
2:05:12you.
2:05:13Do whatever you want, man.
2:05:14>> But that's what it is.
2:05:15>> So anyway,
2:05:15>> you think when the Mormons come, hey
2:05:16Mormons, I want you to see, you got to
2:05:18follow what Muhammad says.
2:05:19>> No, I don't quote Muhammad for Mormons.
2:05:22>> I'm going to quote Joseph Smith since
2:05:24you're a Muslim.
2:05:24>> Wait, do you quote, Do you quote Joseph
2:05:26Smith because you believe in everything
2:05:26he says?
2:05:27>> No, because
2:05:27>> Oh, there you go. That So, so there you
2:05:30go. Thank you for that. I actually
2:05:31appreciate that a lot. You do quote
2:05:33them, but not because you believe in
2:05:34everything he says. That right there was
2:05:37just a concession that everything you've
2:05:39said prior kind of falls apart.
2:05:41>> Okay. Pretty good, huh?
2:05:43>> Would you have any more verses?
2:05:44>> Yeah.
2:05:45>> But I'm I'm wondering if he even got my
2:05:47point.
2:05:48>> Okay. If you're a Buddhist, you you
2:05:50think you
2:05:50>> You know, you cut me off four times
2:05:52already.
2:05:52>> Yeah.
2:05:52>> Did you catch it right?
2:05:54>> The guy who's whining about letting me
2:05:55me talk.
2:05:56>> Whine is haram.
2:05:57>> Okay. But I'm saying you get what I'm
2:05:58saying? You cut me off. And I just want
2:05:59no people because when I start cutting
2:06:01off, I don't want them to say, "Look,
2:06:02he's unfair." Your guy has been cutting
2:06:04me off and I'm loving it because
2:06:05everything he says, I use against him to
2:06:07hang him for the glory of Jesus.
2:06:10>> Oh. Oh. I come back. Let's come back. I
2:06:12apologize. Go for it.
2:06:13>> No, no, no. I'm not upset. I want people
2:06:14to catch it.
2:06:15>> It has happened.
2:06:16>> That's what I'm saying.
2:06:17>> Go for it.
2:06:18>> Okay. If you're a Muslim, I'm going to
2:06:21quote Muhammad to you.
2:06:22>> If you're Muslim
2:06:22>> because you believe in him.
2:06:24>> If he's a Buddhist, would it make sense,
2:06:26hey, you know what the Quran says? What
2:06:27are you going to tell me?
2:06:28>> I'm not.
2:06:29>> I don't care.
2:06:30>> Yeah, I'm a Muslim. So, in what world
2:06:33does it follow that if I quote to a
2:06:36Muslim his own prophet to confirm my
2:06:38point, that means I'm conceding he's a
2:06:40messenger for all the world?
2:06:42>> Okay. Uh,
2:06:42>> what world?
2:06:43>> No, no. I I agree. That's my point. So,
2:06:46I don't really know what you're
2:06:47>> So, I'm using your prophet to show you
2:06:49stop twisting his words.
2:06:50>> Yeah.
2:06:51>> You respect him. You love him, right?
2:06:53>> You've done for the last two hours
2:06:55you've been twisting his words, adding
2:06:56to his words, butchering his words. But
2:06:59I've gone with the context. Now you went
2:07:01outside the Quran, right? You went to
2:07:03the hadith, right?
2:07:05>> Okay. But I don't want to go to the
2:07:06hadith because I want to stay with the
2:07:07Quran because once you went out and you
2:07:09said what the context is, we don't want
2:07:11to go to Abu Dhith.
2:07:13>> Yeah.
2:07:14>> Where he looks at the copy goes I
2:07:15believe in you and the one who sent you
2:07:16not part of you some of you most of you.
2:07:19>> So we're going to stay with the Quran.
2:07:20>> Okay. We stay with the Quran. So, do you
2:07:23now acknowledge that the context of the
2:07:25Quran is saying to the Christians,
2:07:27follow your Sharia?
2:07:29>> Uh,
2:07:30>> 548.
2:07:31>> No, no, we already Do you want me to
2:07:32read it? I don't want to read it.
2:07:33>> No, but you you agree?
2:07:34>> I already
2:07:36I mean, it's right there. I'm very I'm
2:07:37very happy not to recircle and go back.
2:07:38I I think I made my case very well. 47
2:07:40is describing that you do you have
2:07:42biographies. You don't have uh uh uh
2:07:44pristine revelation if you're
2:07:46>> Where does it say biographies and you
2:07:47don't have where did you add? So, you
2:07:48added it again. It says people of the
2:07:50gospel judge by revelation strictly
2:07:51revelation.
2:07:52>> What does it say? Those biographies
2:07:53aren't revelation
2:07:54>> because that would mean that Jesus is
2:07:55receiving his own. Can you imagine he's
2:07:57sitting there and God is revealing to
2:07:59him uh today you went fishing. It's like
2:08:01from the perspective of Matthew. Yeah, I
2:08:03know I went fishing. I don't need
2:08:04revelation to tell me my biography. It
2:08:06doesn't make sense.
2:08:07>> The text says that
2:08:08>> I'm saying the text is saying stick to
2:08:09reve,
2:08:12Mark, Luke, and John are not inspired to
2:08:14write down what they wrote. You've
2:08:15assumed what you've yet to prove and I
2:08:17let you get away with it. So, for 2,000
2:08:19years, they never they they didn't write
2:08:21it. But, you know, can you imagine?
2:08:23Don't you think Matthew, Mark, Luke, and
2:08:24John might have just at some point
2:08:26wanted to say that this is revelation
2:08:27instead of talking about as a biography?
2:08:29>> Boss, do me a favor. Stop arguing from
2:08:32silence because now I can turn it
2:08:33against you saying, "Okay, you believe
2:08:35the entire Quran is revelation."
2:08:37>> Okay. Look, look, look, look, look.
2:08:38>> So, you're changing the topic. That's
2:08:40>> No, sure. Sure, we'll finish this one.
2:08:41We'll finish this one. I I just think
2:08:43that we I you asked me to reiterate 47
2:08:45to 48 and I've already done I think
2:08:47>> no you add it to biographies not your
2:08:49where does it say not your biographies
2:08:51>> it says it says judge by revelation
2:08:54>> and who told you that to a Christian
2:08:56when you tell him judge by the
2:08:57revelation that he does not assume
2:08:59Matthew Mark Luke and John is part of
2:09:00that revelation we're not asking you
2:09:02>> thank you for admitting assume
2:09:03>> asking that's the point
2:09:04>> okay so you assumed it
2:09:05>> no no you just said the word who why
2:09:07would you think that the Christian
2:09:08doesn't assume it you do assume it
2:09:10>> but the context is the Christians
2:09:12No, if the context is people of the
2:09:13gospel who care about the the So, you're
2:09:16right. Yeah, you're right. You're right.
2:09:17It's people of the gospel, meaning
2:09:18Christians. You're right.
2:09:20>> They don't have revelation. They have
2:09:21biographies and in it maybe statements
2:09:23from Jesus, which is great
2:09:24>> and we can try to extract from that the
2:09:26best we can. But when you have
2:09:27contradictions and when you have
2:09:29theologies that don't doesn't make
2:09:31sense, it makes perfect sense for God to
2:09:33say therefore in verse 48 this is the
2:09:38therefore
2:09:40then therefore the conclusion is what
2:09:42you have to judge by what Allah has
2:09:44revealed
2:09:45>> and in the context what oh no I'm going
2:09:47to turn against you first of all hold on
2:09:48because you keep going in circles
2:09:50>> brother you're the Christian because
2:09:52it's talking to you the Christian not to
2:09:53the Muslim
2:09:54>> if I say to you oh people of the gospel
2:09:57judge by what God has revealed to you
2:09:59>> as a Christian. Do you assume the entire
2:10:01New Testament is revelation?
2:10:03>> Yeah.
2:10:04>> So if I'm telling you not the Muslim
2:10:06with his commentary, judge by what God
2:10:08has revealed to you. Oh gee, the New
2:10:11Testament is revelation from my God.
2:10:13Thank you. I'm going to judge by it. We
2:10:14don't care for your opinion. We're
2:10:15talking about how the Christians would
2:10:17understand these terms and they didn't
2:10:19share your assumption. Secondly,
2:10:21secondly, you again added to 548. I'm
2:10:25glad I'm opening their eyes. That's what
2:10:27I'm trying. So, I'm hoping that you're
2:10:28opening your eyes and you're asking
2:10:30yourself, wait a second. It is true that
2:10:31I believe that it's revelation, but does
2:10:34come to the verse that Jesus was
2:10:35revealed his own biography. So, so I
2:10:38know you believe that thank God that I'm
2:10:40here to make you start asking, wait a
2:10:42second, if Jesus talks about my words
2:10:44are not my own and that he's actually
2:10:45received revelation. Now my question is
2:10:48why is it why is it the case that we
2:10:50have books that are not in their
2:10:51original language that do have
2:10:52contradictions within them and they are
2:10:54not ever why would they omit the fact
2:10:56that they're re because I want to turn
2:10:58it against some of the Quran.
2:10:59>> Why would they admit why would they
2:11:00never Can you imagine how bizarre it
2:11:01would be if you received revelation and
2:11:03you don't just even mention in your own
2:11:04book that by the way I receive this. In
2:11:06fact, instead you talk about yourself
2:11:07running around picking up reports,
2:11:09picking up reports from
2:11:10>> Can you stop preaching because I'm going
2:11:12to because you just you preached to him,
2:11:14right?
2:11:14>> Yeah. No, because
2:11:16Dude, if you're getting discombobulated,
2:11:18losing control, let me know because I
2:11:19can so you can
2:11:21>> focus. Let me now take every object and
2:11:23buried so this guy won't be nodding
2:11:24anymore. Okay. Now, let's come back to
2:11:26you. Okay. [laughter]
2:11:26>> Okay. Number one,
2:11:29>> you have assumed your definition of
2:11:31inspiration. That if a man is inspired,
2:11:34that he is free from the obligation to
2:11:36carefully verify that the revelation
2:11:39given to him is not simply his
2:11:41imagination or lies. But the eyewitness
2:11:44will confirm, yes, that's true. Stop
2:11:46reading your definition of revelation
2:11:48into Luke 1.
2:11:49>> It would be nice if you mentioned it,
2:11:50right?
2:11:51>> Well, I'm going to tell you who
2:11:52mentioned it. 1 Timothy 5:18, quoting
2:11:54the Gospel of Luke, calls it scripture.
2:11:571 Timothy 5:18.
2:11:59>> Stop telling us
2:12:00>> how we define inspiration.
2:12:02>> You come to us, we'll tell you. 1
2:12:04Timothy 5:18, it says, "For the
2:12:06scripture says, do not muzzle an ox
2:12:09while it's shredding out the grain."
2:12:10Deuteronomy 25:4, "For the labor is
2:12:13worthy of his wages." That's verbatim.
2:12:16Luke 10:7. And it's called scripture. So
2:12:19stop imposing your definition. Secondly,
2:12:21your Quran agrees with our view of
2:12:23inspiration. You know why? And I want
2:12:25you to nod your head. Go to Surahan and
2:12:28chapter 21. And I'm going to address all
2:12:30your points because you keep repeating
2:12:32them.
2:12:32>> 21 what?
2:12:33>> Right, brother? [laughter]
2:12:34>> 21105.
2:12:35>> You don't I'm not noticing
2:12:37>> I noticed this guy. I was very excited.
2:12:38>> You're Hispanic.
2:12:40>> That's right. Vlover, man.
2:12:43>> You my primo, man. All right. 21105.
2:12:46Sorry. I'm hold
2:12:48>> men. Okay. 105.
2:12:49>> Just I
2:12:50>> Now, guys, I want you to hear this.
2:12:51>> Okay. Whatever. The Quran is going to
2:12:52confirm our view of inspiration, not
2:12:55his. 21105.
2:12:58Yeah. And we have already written in the
2:13:00book of the Psalms.
2:13:01>> Now, what is the word book?
2:13:03>> No, it doesn't say. [clears throat]
2:13:04>> Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Means
2:13:07>> we've written
2:13:09it. It says
2:13:09>> in what?
2:13:10>> Zabura. Tell them what it means because
2:13:11they don't
2:13:12>> is usually translated as psalms. Psalms.
2:13:14>> We have we have written in the Psalms.
2:13:16What did he write? After what? Uh after
2:13:18the previous mention that the land of
2:13:20paradise is
2:13:20>> after what? Because after the right
2:13:23>> uh that's right.
2:13:24>> Yeah. Because so the came before it.
2:13:26What did we write in the Psalms?
2:13:28>> Uh that the earth will be inherited by
2:13:33by my righteous servants.
2:13:34>> Who wrote that in the Psalm?
2:13:36>> Who uh who wrote the Psalms?
2:13:38>> No. No. Right there. Who wrote that?
2:13:39>> This is Quran.
2:13:40>> Yeah. But who wrote
2:13:41>> How about you just make your point? Go
2:13:41ahead. Make your point.
2:13:42>> Allah, right? We wrote
2:13:44>> all the time. Yes. This is Quran. Yes.
2:13:45Yes. Go ahead.
2:13:45>> That's Psalm 37. It was written by
2:13:47David. So is David your Allah?
2:13:50>> No, no, no, no, no. Be serious.
2:13:51[laughter] No, no, no, no. Because Yeah.
2:13:53Psalm 37:29.
2:13:54>> Okay. This is the Islamic dilemma,
2:13:56ladies and gentlemen. This is the
2:13:57Islamic dilemma. You get the point that
2:13:59that Okay. So, you got the point. Do Do
2:14:00you understand that when God sends a
2:14:02messenger, the messenger delivers a
2:14:04message?
2:14:05>> You just made my point.
2:14:06>> When you say when you say Moses said
2:14:08this and it's the word of God, you're
2:14:10not saying Moses is God. When you say
2:14:12that about David or the prophet
2:14:13Muhammad,
2:14:13>> my friend, do you get my point? No, you
2:14:15were doing much better a second ago. I
2:14:16don't know how I'm gonna do way better
2:14:17than you think because you just
2:14:19confirmed.
2:14:21>> You just confirmed.
2:14:23>> You just confirmed.
2:14:24>> My view of inspiration. David wrote it,
2:14:26but Allah takes responsibility. Said, "I
2:14:28wrote it."
2:14:29>> You didn't get my point.
2:14:31>> Everyone got it, but you didn't get it.
2:14:32Let me repeat again.
2:14:33>> Yes.
2:14:34>> David wrote that verse, but Allah says,
2:14:36"I wrote it."
2:14:36>> Yes. Yes. He's a prophet.
2:14:37>> Which means Allah
2:14:38>> Yes. He's a prophet, not a disciple.
2:14:40Yes. Go ahead.
2:14:40>> Well, we're going to get to the
2:14:41disciples. Don't run. We're going to get
2:14:42there. So that means my view of
2:14:45inspiration is correct according to your
2:14:46Quran, not yours. It's not divine
2:14:48dictation. God had David write those
2:14:51words. He goes, "I wrote it."
2:14:53>> So that means the Quran is agreeing with
2:14:54our view of inspiration, not yours. So
2:14:56stop imposing your definition on our
2:14:57Bible.
2:14:58>> If anybody was convinced by that, I'm
2:14:59very happy for you. That's okay. That's
2:15:00fine. But uh but but simply put, yes,
2:15:03David being a prophet that received
2:15:05inspiration from God, that is very
2:15:07clear. Uh we have no problem with that.
2:15:09the psalm, sorry, not psalms, the gospel
2:15:11writers just reporting what they did in
2:15:13their lives walking around, not saying
2:15:15that, you know, God told me this or that
2:15:16God says. No, no, just simply saying
2:15:18this is what we did today. This is what
2:15:19we did today. That's all my point is.
2:15:20But I'm I'm super happy to move on, but
2:15:22let's come back here. No, no, because
2:15:23now I'm going to deal with the
2:15:23disciples, but I don't know if you got
2:15:25what my point was. I know you're getting
2:15:26frustrated. I know. There's there's a
2:15:28bunch of verses that I really hope to
2:15:29get to about the Islamic dilemma because
2:15:32none of this
2:15:33>> I know I've been jumping with you and
2:15:34I've addressed every one of your
2:15:35>> No, I'm not 21 105 definitely doesn't
2:15:37say that. Uh, today's Bible is
2:15:39authentic.
2:15:40>> That wasn't my argument.
2:15:41>> I know. That's my point.
2:15:42>> Lord, save me. Take me home. That's not
2:15:44my argument.
2:15:44>> I'm just saying we're not talking about
2:15:45the Islamic dilemma at all.
2:15:46>> No, it is Islamic. Let me make my case,
2:15:49brother. Right. Go for it. Allahbar.
2:15:53>> Let me make my case, brother. I'm going
2:15:54with you
2:15:56when you said Luke carefully
2:15:59investigating is not inspired. So, I
2:16:01showed you even Quranically speaking,
2:16:03you have a wrong definition of
2:16:04inspiration. What do you not follow? Uh,
2:16:06I got your point that
2:16:08>> So, can we stop that?
2:16:10>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're fine.
2:16:11>> Can we stop? I know you don't believe in
2:16:12Luke. I want to get to that point.
2:16:14>> I mean, I believe you don't believe he's
2:16:15inspired.
2:16:16>> Yeah. He did his best to report.
2:16:17>> No. No. He He did bunch better than the
2:16:19Quran. I'll show you in a minute. No.
2:16:20Historically, archaeologically, it's
2:16:21fine.
2:16:22>> You also said I want everyone to hear
2:16:24it. Okay. I want you to hear it. You
2:16:25especially primo. I want you to nod your
2:16:27head with this one. Okay.
2:16:28>> I don't think he's impressed.
2:16:30>> You also said that because I love
2:16:31Hispanic people. I love them. What about
2:16:33the rest of my my fiance? If she's
2:16:35stupid enough to marry me, she's
2:16:36Hispanic. Pray God have mercy on her
2:16:38living with me, man. You see that? I
2:16:42need help, man. Pray for me. Maybe I
2:16:43have a jin. I need deliverance by the
2:16:45back.
2:16:45>> May Allah guide us all.
2:16:46>> I hope so. Now, coming back to the
2:16:48issue, I want everyone to hear what you
2:16:50said. See, I'm hearing you. You think
2:16:52I'm not. You said that in the Matthew,
2:16:55Mark, Luke, and John, you don't have the
2:16:57words of Jesus in the original language.
2:16:58It's in Greek, right?
2:17:00>> Uh, sorry. in the the message of Luke
2:17:02and John. Yes. Yes. Yes.
2:17:03>> So it's not in his words, right?
2:17:04>> Uh to the to what we know.
2:17:06>> No, he spoke Aramaic, right? So it
2:17:07wasn't Greek. So you don't even have
2:17:08That's what you said, right?
2:17:09>> That was the point. Yeah, I made the
2:17:10point.
2:17:10>> Okay. What language?
2:17:11>> It's not the Islamic dilemma, but go
2:17:12ahead. No, no, no. I you you you made
2:17:14your point. Just to be clear, he made
2:17:16his point. I had a response. I said, you
2:17:17know what? Let's drop it for the sake of
2:17:18Islam. Now he wants to go back to this
2:17:21addressing your point.
2:17:22>> Go ahead. Keep But I just hope I get to
2:17:25the point. I don't want you to get
2:17:26painted as a guy who can't even deliver
2:17:28the Islamic dilemma because you're not
2:17:29even
2:17:29>> No, he's he's a this guy's like a
2:17:31special
2:17:33you should do standup comed comedy but
2:17:35sitting down. You'd be great at it.
2:17:36>> Okay, let's come back to the issue. I'm
2:17:38addressing your point.
2:17:40>> You said I want you to hear it.
2:17:43>> We don't have Jesus's words in his
2:17:45mother tongue, right? [sighs]
2:17:46>> Do your thing, man.
2:17:47>> This guy doesn't want to even address
2:17:48>> Do it. Do it. Do it.
2:17:50>> What language do you have Jesus speaking
2:17:51in your Quran?
2:17:52>> You know, go ahead.
2:17:52>> What is it?
2:17:54Just make your point.
2:17:55>> What dialect? Please answer questions
2:17:57like I answer yours. Stop dodging.
2:17:59>> Okay. Okay. Oh, sorry.
2:18:00>> What language do you have? Moses,
2:18:02Abraham.
2:18:03>> What language do you have? Ishmamail,
2:18:05[clears throat]
2:18:07Isaac, Jonah, Jesus disciples speaking
2:18:10in the Quran. What language?
2:18:11>> So, you could just say the Quran doesn't
2:18:13mention the language of each prophet.
2:18:14>> What language does the Quran have them
2:18:16speaking in?
2:18:17>> The Quran is in Arabic and they and the
2:18:19Quran does not mention each language
2:18:20that they spoke.
2:18:21>> And then that's not my question. Do you
2:18:22get my question? Did I answer it?
2:18:23>> When the Quran quotes them, what
2:18:25language does it have them speak?
2:18:27>> I already asked. Why you say I'm not
2:18:28answering?
2:18:28>> What's the What's the language?
2:18:29>> Arabic. I just said it.
2:18:31>> But not just Arabic. Kureshi Arabic.
2:18:32Right.
2:18:33>> Sure.
2:18:34>> So, can you give us historical evidence
2:18:35that Jesus spoke Kureshi Arabic in the
2:18:37first century?
2:18:37>> This is not good. This is
2:18:39>> I know it's a burial.
2:18:40>> This is not This is not a good
2:18:41>> You guys think it was good,
2:18:42>> guys? Is any This This can't be.
2:18:45>> Can you answer the question? Yes.
2:18:46Answer.
2:18:47>> Okay. I'm going to be honest with you.
2:18:48>> Yeah. At this point, I am starting to
2:18:50feel like you don't want to talk about
2:18:51the Islamic dilemma because you're
2:18:52saying the Quran was in Arabic and when
2:18:55it quoted prophets, it quoted them in
2:18:57Arabic.
2:18:58>> Oh, this guy's going to give me a heart
2:18:59attack.
2:18:59>> That's like a That's like a a landslide
2:19:01point for you.
2:19:02>> No, that's not it. Brother, let me
2:19:04repeat it again, brother.
2:19:05>> Let's let's let's I think we got to take
2:19:06a break.
2:19:06>> Okay, we're going to go to But you
2:19:07understand why I brought it up, right?
2:19:09He brought up Let me repeat so people
2:19:11unedited. Thank you, Jesus. You're the
2:19:13one who said the crown is not confirming
2:19:15Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John
2:19:16biographies. And it's not even the
2:19:18language of Jesus
2:19:19>> because it is inspiration from God when
2:19:21they never said that. They're they're
2:19:22disciples. They never even claimed it.
2:19:24>> Yeah,
2:19:24>> brother. If you're gonna not let me
2:19:26finish a point, then that means you've
2:19:27lost the debate.
2:19:28>> Yikes, man.
2:19:28>> I'm using your argument to show you
2:19:31you're inconsistent.
2:19:33>> If you demand that I have to have
2:19:34Jesus's words in Aramaic, not in Greek,
2:19:37I'm going to demand I don't care you
2:19:38have Jesus speaking Kuresh Arabic, a
2:19:40language he did not know, neither
2:19:42prophets. Give me his original language.
2:19:45When the Quran says Issa said this, give
2:19:47me the Aramaic. Give it to me.
2:19:49>> Okay, I'm going to answer you now,
2:19:50please.
2:19:50>> Can you answer? Can you give me a
2:19:51second? Can you give me a second?
2:19:52>> Yeah, I'm going to give you 10 seconds.
2:19:54>> The Prophet Muhammad claimed to be a
2:19:55prophet receiving revelation from God,
2:19:57and the disciples didn't make the claim
2:19:59that they're receiving revelation from
2:20:01God. It would be a good detail to
2:20:02mention. They just never did. Instead,
2:20:05what did they do?
2:20:06>> They simply described a biography. The
2:20:08Prophetam is talking about people from
2:20:09times that he could never meet. He
2:20:10didn't meet Abraham. He didn't meet
2:20:11Adam. And so clearly, when he's saying,
2:20:13"I'm a prophet. I'm receiving revelation
2:20:15and this is what has been revealed.
2:20:16Yeah, it's pretty clear what's going on
2:20:17here. So that therefore it's in the
2:20:19Arabic language so people the Arabs can
2:20:20understand it and it's a it's a eloquent
2:20:22language so that later on the world can
2:20:23study and be very clear about it. That's
2:20:25great. This has nothing to do with what
2:20:27you're talking about now. Now,
2:20:29>> okay,
2:20:30>> can I address that real quick?
2:20:31>> Yeah, of course.
2:20:32>> Okay. I All you did was establish a
2:20:35principle which I wanted you to do. You
2:20:37can have God inspire someone to take the
2:20:41words of a prophet in a language other
2:20:44than his own and it still be accurate
2:20:46and faithful. That's all I wanted you to
2:20:47admit. So, thank you for admitting it.
2:20:49You caught it right.
2:20:50>> I think everybody got the point.
2:20:51>> Okay. So, can we drop Hold on. Can we
2:20:53drop this argument? Muslims don't use
2:20:55this argument anymore that we don't have
2:20:57Jesus words in his mother tongue because
2:20:58you don't either. But you're going to
2:20:59say, "Well, we have it in the language
2:21:01of the prophets." So, what we're going
2:21:02to say to you as Christians, well, we
2:21:04have the words of the inspired authors.
2:21:06You may not think they're inspired.
2:21:08>> They don't even say they are.
2:21:09>> Uh, you want to bet?
2:21:10>> Do you want to go? You want to change
2:21:11it?
2:21:11>> No. I I just want you to go to the the
2:21:13Islamic dilemma.
2:21:14>> So, do we establish now your argument
2:21:17that it has to be in the original
2:21:19language?
2:21:21>> Yeah. I've been doing Islamish kebab for
2:21:23the last two hours. Okay.
2:21:25>> Did we establish now? Did we establish
2:21:28now your arguments are very bad because
2:21:30it will then bury your very
2:21:32[clears throat] argument for Islam.
2:21:34>> You got
2:21:35>> stop using these arguments.
2:21:35>> You got the conclusion. You're bad. Got
2:21:36it. That's a conclusion. Now
2:21:38>> what it is is don't use an argument that
2:21:40I don't have Jesus' words in his mother
2:21:41tongue but in Greek because you don't
2:21:43have any of the prophets except in the
2:21:44language of Muhammad. You assume he's a
2:21:46prophet like I assume Matthew, Mark,
2:21:48Luke, and John are inspired.
2:21:49>> This is reiteration, right? You
2:21:50understand? You saw how I was with the
2:21:53reiterations. Are there particular
2:21:55verses, and I know you're gonna say,
2:21:56"I've been doing this whole time." I get
2:21:57it. But, um, is there a couple more?
2:21:59Yeah. I I would like a verse that that
2:22:01any Christian could show to a Muslim and
2:22:03say, "You have to believe in your Bible
2:22:04today."
2:22:05>> What's the verse you're going to use?
2:22:06>> Okay. When we talk about Islamic DM, and
2:22:08I don't know why you call me the OG. I
2:22:10don't know where I got that reputation,
2:22:11but you said OG. I don't know.
2:22:13>> You're one of the first names when I
2:22:14embraced Islam like more
2:22:16>> I came up among you guys.
2:22:17>> You you you were one of the first names
2:22:19I've ever heard. Yeah. You're the OG,
2:22:20man.
2:22:20>> And God is my witness. I'm not looking
2:22:22for that reputation. If I could just
2:22:24teach the Bible and disappear, I would.
2:22:25But hey, you guys call me OG. I'm OG,
2:22:28bro. What's up?
2:22:28>> They call you the last boss.
2:22:29>> What's up?
2:22:30>> Yeah, they call me LeBron James.
2:22:31>> Yeah, they call him the last boss.
2:22:33>> They call me what?
2:22:34>> They call you the last boss.
2:22:35>> Good. Come on.
2:22:37>> Don't Don't I'm already puffed up. Don't
2:22:38get me [laughter] puffed up, right?
2:22:40>> Okay. Now, part of the Islamic dilemma
2:22:41is twofold. If you follow my arguments,
2:22:43it's not just what the Quran says about
2:22:45scriptures. It talks about the triumph
2:22:46of the Christians.
2:22:48>> Oh, you're going to go to 61.
2:22:49>> It does. Well, 350. Is that what you
2:22:50want me to do? I'll bring it up. That's
2:22:51what I go wherever you want.
2:22:53>> Well, it's uh 355 and 6114. 355 614.
2:22:58>> Yeah, I got you.
2:22:59>> I didn't know that you guys called me
2:23:01the Yeah, I don't know, man.
2:23:04>> May May I be forgotten by the grace of
2:23:06God? No one remember me.
2:23:08>> You'll be remembered as the best Muslim
2:23:09inshallah.
2:23:11>> You're really praying hard for me, man.
2:23:12>> I really I I Anyway, I I have I have
2:23:15conviction, but I'm crazy.
2:23:17>> Uh 355. um and mentioned when Allah
2:23:20said, "Oh Jesus, indeed I will take you
2:23:21and raise you to myself." Well, okay.
2:23:23Would you like to make
2:23:24>> Okay. The part of the Isla is that
2:23:26there's a promise in the Quran. Now,
2:23:28again, I appeal to it because you're a
2:23:30Muslim.
2:23:30>> Yeah.
2:23:31>> If I'm talking to a barter man, I don't
2:23:32quote the Quran. Like when the Mormons
2:23:34come in, we're not going to be talking.
2:23:36So, I say to the Let me put the
2:23:39Christian. If I was a Christian and a
2:23:41Jewish person came up to me and he
2:23:43attacked the New Testament, I couldn't
2:23:45attack the Old Testament. Why? Because
2:23:47as a Christian, New Testament tells me
2:23:49believe in the Old Testament. So I'm in
2:23:50a dilemma. You can call it the Christian
2:23:52dilemma.
2:23:52>> I get one point. Yes.
2:23:53>> Okay. So since Christianity comes after
2:23:56the Old Testament, we have to now submit
2:23:58to it because Jesus told us this is what
2:24:01we see is a situation Muslims that you
2:24:03come later. Now you're in a dilemma not
2:24:05just with the Old Testament, New
2:24:06Testament. But part of the argument, the
2:24:10dilemma is in 355 614 there's a promise
2:24:14made to Jesus. When Allah takes him, he
2:24:16says, "I will make those who follow you
2:24:19superior to those who disbelieve and
2:24:22they will be uppermost till the day of
2:24:23resurrection."
2:24:24>> Can I can I just This is easy. Uh we
2:24:26wouldn't believe that a trinitarian is
2:24:28following him. We would believe that a
2:24:29montheist is following him. So, I just
2:24:31don't think this makes your case.
2:24:32>> All right. Well, I mean, I'll get to
2:24:33that. I mean, I will. I promise. You can
2:24:35disagree with me. Like I said, I mean,
2:24:36that's fine. But then the Quran says he
2:24:39kept the promise. 61:14.
2:24:40>> Okay. Let's go there. Right. Sure. Yeah.
2:24:42there where it says that when Jesus came
2:24:44who will be my helpers for Allah
2:24:46>> and a party the children of Israel
2:24:48believed yeah
2:24:48>> and there was a party disbelieved and we
2:24:50made those who believed
2:24:52>> victorious over the disbelievers okay so
2:24:55now here's where remember Christian
2:24:56perspective
2:24:57>> if these are true statements Jesus's
2:25:00true followers conquered
2:25:03>> uh okay I'll I'll explain
2:25:04>> so historically
2:25:06we want to know who they are and what
2:25:07they taught now if someone then says
2:25:10well their message is corrupt then that
2:25:12means they were not victorious till the
2:25:13day of resurrection because it doesn't
2:25:15say they'll be victorious for a short
2:25:16time be defeated by Pauline Christians
2:25:19then Islam comes it says till the day of
2:25:22resurrection that's the dilemma
2:25:23>> you're quoting 614 it says till
2:25:25>> and 355 it says till the day of
2:25:28resurrection
2:25:28>> all right so you dealt with 355
2:25:29mentioning that true okay okay but I
2:25:32just want to clarify 355 is talking
2:25:34about true followers and we do believe
2:25:36that they are going to be victorious
2:25:37this doesn't mean that every fight they
2:25:38fight they're going to be like I can't I
2:25:40can't lose I can't get punched
2:25:41I always win, right? So, no, there's
2:25:43going to be ups and downs, but they are
2:25:44the superior ones because they are
2:25:46monotheists. And that's true from the
2:25:48time of Isaam Jesus all the way down to
2:25:50judgment day. So, that would be one
2:25:52interpretation of that. No problem.
2:25:53>> Now, in terms of 61:14, uh it's
2:25:56specifically talking about at the time
2:25:57of Jesus himself because it's talking
2:25:58about disciples, right? So, we're
2:26:00talking about that particular
2:26:01generation. And it says what?
2:26:05So, a part of them believed, right, from
2:26:07the Israelites and a party of them
2:26:09disbelieved. Now,
2:26:14God gave help to the believing party
2:26:17over their enemy. Now, Allah could have
2:26:20said their enemies. But now, this is
2:26:23where, and I'm going to be honest, this
2:26:24is a little bit of exigesus here. Go
2:26:26ahead. [clears throat] But yeah, when it
2:26:27says that he gave them victory over
2:26:30their enemy,
2:26:30>> yes,
2:26:32>> Allah knows best. But I think that a
2:26:33fair reading of this verse is that
2:26:35amongst
2:26:36>> the uh uh uh disciples and amongst the
2:26:39believers at that time that believed in
2:26:40Jesus,
2:26:41>> they did have a clear enemy. And that
2:26:43enemy was Paul because he came in. Let
2:26:45me explain why.
2:26:46>> No, I'm I know.
2:26:47>> I don't get upset like that. You think
2:26:49he's an antichrist.
2:26:50>> I didn't word. I don't know why you're
2:26:51getting that word.
2:26:51>> No, anti means against Christ. I'm just
2:26:53saying I guess linguistically, sure.
2:26:55Yeah. But anyways, so so what what I
2:26:57would say is that when it comes to Paul
2:26:59in particularly in particular, uh we
2:27:01find that how did they become
2:27:04so means to have victory over him and it
2:27:08also means to be evident. That's why the
2:27:10prayer is when the sun is the like the
2:27:12clearest, right? So means evident and
2:27:14also victorious. What's so beautiful,
2:27:17>> yeah,
2:27:18>> is that James was the belie was the head
2:27:21of the believers and James puts Paul in
2:27:23check in front of everybody and says,
2:27:25"Hey, people are making rumors about
2:27:27you, saying that you're against the
2:27:28law." And so what we're going to do is
2:27:30we're going to make sure you fulfill the
2:27:31the rights. This is in Acts, I think,
2:27:33like 21 or
2:27:33>> 21. I got it right. Look at that. I
2:27:35freestyle that one. So, uh, so Acts
2:27:3721ish,
2:27:38>> whatever.
2:27:39>> 21. And what we have is now the
2:27:42believers recognizing James as a leader,
2:27:45>> putting him in place. And the reason
2:27:47it's is because a it's it's it's making
2:27:49him lower. It's like humbling him and uh
2:27:52making him in line with the actual
2:27:53message of Jesus. And secondly, the
2:27:55reason why it's because you have that
2:27:57text till today. So forever every single
2:27:59Christian can look at this and see that
2:28:04over their enemy that they became
2:28:05dominant over their enemy.
2:28:08>> Thank you. No. Well, you want to ask No,
2:28:10because I'm trying to engage you to
2:28:11assume I'm listening to you. I I do
2:28:13listen to you. If you guys notice, I try
2:28:15to hear you carefully. So, when I do my
2:28:16head moves, not I'm not ignoring you. I
2:28:18listen.
2:28:20[clears throat]
2:28:20>> When you went to Acts 21, so this is
2:28:22where I'm saying it's one thing when the
2:28:24Muslim hears it and they're not
2:28:26convinced. That's fine.
2:28:27>> But when you quote this to show it to
2:28:29the Christian,
2:28:30>> you refuted the argument. The Christian
2:28:32is going to scratch his head, say,
2:28:33"Wait, the same Acts where in Acts 15,
2:28:37James is in agreement with Paul and
2:28:39Peter that you're saved by the grace of
2:28:41the Lord Jesus Christ." That book of
2:28:43Acts, the same book of Acts where you
2:28:46have the Jewish followers of Jesus long
2:28:48before Paul's conver conversion teaching
2:28:52that Christ was killed, raised on a
2:28:54third day, he ascended to heaven, and he
2:28:56reigns as Lord over all. Acts 10:36-43.
2:28:59So this is where now the Christian sits
2:29:01back and says, "Wait, if you're going to
2:29:03quote James, Acts [clears throat] 21,
2:29:05read all of it. James is on Paul's side.
2:29:07Paul is on James side." Earlier in Acts
2:29:1015, James is on the side of Paul and
2:29:12Peter. They're all preaching the same
2:29:14gospel. And this is the same book that
2:29:16says Peter before Paul showed up. Acts
2:29:20two, Acts 3, Acts 10 taught that Christ
2:29:23was killed, [clears throat]
2:29:25raised on a third day, ascended
2:29:27physically into heaven, and he reigns as
2:29:29Lord. Even uses the word Lord of all,
2:29:32and he will return to judge the living
2:29:34and dead. None of the book of Acts
2:29:36supports that they were the true
2:29:38followers in the Islamic sense because
2:29:40it's not Islam. So, if they are the
2:29:42victorious ones, they're not teaching
2:29:43Islam.
2:29:44>> Okay. So, great. What I would say is
2:29:46that um as you already know, we don't
2:29:50agree with the entirety of the book.
2:29:51We're trying to highlight the parts that
2:29:53you believe in.
2:29:54>> Now, you will say, "Hey, wait a second.
2:29:56There's other ideas here." Well, that's
2:29:57kind of our point that there are
2:29:58inconsistencies. You will find certain
2:30:00things that agree with your theology,
2:30:01and then there will there will be other
2:30:03things that create tension. Like, for
2:30:05example, practicing the law. It seems
2:30:07that James and the people around him,
2:30:09they definitely upheld laws and believed
2:30:11in a particular Sharia. I know you like
2:30:13that term, right? And then and then
2:30:15because of that what we would say is
2:30:16that even if not everything is the exact
2:30:18same as Islam that's okay at that time
2:30:20they may have had slight differences
2:30:22right but still we generally understand
2:30:24[clears throat and cough] they had their
2:30:25sharia and Paul comes along and says
2:30:28that no more we are you know it's dead
2:30:30from the law it's it's over now and we
2:30:32we you know we're saved by uh uh faith
2:30:34alone and all this stuff and this is
2:30:35actually funny enough I brought this up
2:30:37during Avery's debate and he literally
2:30:39just made a blank face and moved on. I
2:30:42don't think he doesn't know. So So so so
2:30:45>> when it was very strange. I was like, is
2:30:47it because he knows that Christians
2:30:48don't know this? But you know this.
2:30:49Thank God I'm talking to you. I know. I
2:30:50know.
2:30:51>> So he didn't address it. I I'll address
2:30:52it with you.
2:30:52>> Yes.
2:30:53>> When it says that people will be running
2:30:54up to Jesus saying, "Lord, Lord," and he
2:30:56says, "Get away from me because you are
2:30:57anomos."
2:30:58>> Yeah. Without the law. Act 7:23.
2:31:01>> This is why you got to talk to the OG,
2:31:02right? Okay.
2:31:03>> So doesn't Paul This is
2:31:06>> What's up, Brandon? What's up, Holmes?
2:31:08Uh, doesn't [laughter]
2:31:09Paul describe himself with the quality
2:31:11of anomos? Not just literally, not
2:31:13doesn't he just literally use that term
2:31:14and say, "I'm not under the law. I am
2:31:16anomos." So imagine Jesus literally
2:31:18making a prediction about the future
2:31:20>> saying, "I'm warning you guys from
2:31:22somebody who is in the Greek anomos."
2:31:24And then later on in many places, Paul's
2:31:26describing that look, you're free from
2:31:27the law and these people, I wish they
2:31:28would chop off the whole thing because
2:31:30they're circumcising. And and and
2:31:31there's there's many examples of saying
2:31:33we're done with all that, justified by
2:31:34faith alone, etc.
2:31:36>> And then he literally uses that term.
2:31:39So, okay, we're definitely not talking
2:31:41about the Islamic dilemma anymore.
2:31:42>> No, I don't mind.
2:31:45>> I want you to bring this up. I'm going
2:31:46to No, I don't care.
2:31:50I'll call you that. Is that okay?
2:31:53>> I'm not honest. I'm not trying to be
2:31:54humble. I'm not trying to be humble, but
2:31:55No, I already
2:31:57going back. Yeah. Yes.
2:32:00Okay. Coming back. Go for it. Number
2:32:02one, uh, I don't know how other
2:32:05Christians will understand, Paul,
2:32:06because I know what you're referring to.
2:32:07You were referring to 1 Corinthians
2:32:099:20.
2:32:09>> You're good. I don't know.
2:32:10>> But then we read 21. It says, "To those
2:32:13without the law, as one without the law,
2:32:15but I myself am not without the law. I'm
2:32:17under the law of Christ." That's 1
2:32:20Corinthians 9:21. I'm under the law of
2:32:22Christ. What he means is when I'm
2:32:24preaching, if there's a Jewish person,
2:32:27>> I won't do something to offend them by
2:32:29going against the law unless they use an
2:32:31excuse to reject Christ.
2:32:33>> He goes, "But then you have heathens who
2:32:35don't fear God. I'm not going to come
2:32:36and shove the law down their throat. I'm
2:32:38going to teach them there is a God. You
2:32:40need to believe in him. And then when
2:32:41they submit, I will teach them to follow
2:32:42the law of Christ." So in 1 Corinthians
2:32:449:21, that's what you're referring to.
2:32:469:20 without law. But then read 21. I'm
2:32:51under the law of Christ. So you can ask
2:32:53me about these. I don't mind. I don't
2:32:54mind. We can say you look it up. 1
2:32:56Corinthians 9:201.
2:32:58Yet I am under the law of Christ. So he
2:33:01doesn't say he's lawless. He's under the
2:33:04law of Christ, not the law of Musa, the
2:33:06law of Christ. And in so far as Jews are
2:33:09concerned, now we're going to go back to
2:33:10Acts 21.
2:33:11>> Well, I'm sorry. I think 1 Corinthians
2:33:129:20 to 21.
2:33:13>> I think you're I think you're saying it.
2:33:15Maybe I'm mistaken. Here we go.
2:33:17>> To the Jews, I became like a Jew to win
2:33:19the Jews. To those under the law, I
2:33:21became like one under the law. Though I
2:33:23myself am not
2:33:25>> under the law. That's right. And to win
2:33:27those under the law. To those who not
2:33:29having the law, I became like one who
2:33:30have the law, though I am not free of
2:33:32go. Well, that's in brackets. So,
2:33:33>> No, no, no. That's in the Greek. That's
2:33:34brackets. That's in translation. Read
2:33:36it. What does it say?
2:33:37>> But but I am under Christ's law.
2:33:39>> Wait, so read that 21 one more time.
2:33:40>> No, I I got you. You nailed it. You got
2:33:42it.
2:33:42>> Okay. So, it didn't say I'm lawless.
2:33:45>> So, my question is then why does he
2:33:47constantly describe not being under the
2:33:48law? Yeah, I'll get to that. I I promise
2:33:50you I'll address everything. You can ask
2:33:51me these. We don't that we'll make it
2:33:53this topic, okay? Even what you quote in
2:33:55Acts 21, if you read 18 or 26, read it.
2:33:58Don't take my word for it. I'm not
2:33:59saying believe it. You guys just read
2:34:01it.
2:34:02>> The debate wasn't whether Gentiles were
2:34:06not ethnically Jewish, right? Should
2:34:09they still keep the law of Moses? That's
2:34:11not the context. The debate was we Jews,
2:34:14ethnic Jews, do we still keep those
2:34:16commands that Gentiles don't have to?
2:34:19James says, he even says it in Acts
2:34:2121:25, it's in the same chapter you
2:34:23refer to. He says, "As for the Gentiles,
2:34:26as far these are the laws we imposed on
2:34:29them, what it did not include was that
2:34:31you, a Gentile, need to get circumcised
2:34:34and keep kashut, what you could call
2:34:36halal." He goes, "We've told them, 'But
2:34:39we Jews," because the accusation was
2:34:41Paul, you're teaching Jews, don't keep
2:34:43the law of Moses. Nowhere will you find
2:34:45in the letters of Paul that he's talking
2:34:47to the Jews. He's talking to the
2:34:49Gentiles because a group of Jews were
2:34:51coming in saying, "Hey, you got to get
2:34:53circumcised because no, they don't."
2:34:55That James agrees with him. That's why I
2:34:57say when you go to Acts 21, go to Acts
2:34:5915 because that was the debate. In Acts
2:35:0215, you start at one. A group of Jews
2:35:06were debating Paul and Barnabas saying,
2:35:07"No, Gentiles have to get circumcised
2:35:09like us." They go, "No, they don't."
2:35:12They went to Jerusalem. James presiding,
2:35:15James agreed with Paul. So, there's no
2:35:17contradiction if we read in context.
2:35:19James agreed with Paul. Peter agreed
2:35:21with Paul. Gentiles don't have to get
2:35:23circumcised and keep those parts of law
2:35:26Moses. Here are the laws they keep. We
2:35:28Jews, however, to show honor to the God
2:35:31of Moses and sending the Messiah, we
2:35:34will keep those laws. And Paul never
2:35:35said no. He's talking to Gentiles.
2:35:39>> So, the whole thing about like uh
2:35:41removing uh what's it called? Jews or or
2:35:44what's it called? Uh
2:35:45>> Galatians 2, Galatians 5.
2:35:46>> So, why did why did he circumcise
2:35:48Timothy?
2:35:49>> Because he's Jewish. That's Acts. Yeah.
2:35:51Actually, that's because he's Greek. His
2:35:52father's Greek.
2:35:53>> It says mother's Jewish. Acts 16 1-3.
2:35:55Open it up.
2:35:56>> No, I'll take your word for it. It says
2:35:58because his mother was Jewish, he got
2:35:59circumcised. But in Galatians 2 verse
2:36:00three, Titus who was a Greek had no
2:36:02Jewish blood. He refused to get
2:36:04circumcised.
2:36:05>> Interesting. Okay. Good stuff. So where
2:36:06did all the rumors come from that James
2:36:08had to clarify?
2:36:08>> I don't know. You're asking me? I don't
2:36:10know. [laughter] No. So that's the cont.
2:36:12So Acts does not support that Paul was
2:36:16lawless because they all agree we follow
2:36:18the law of Christ. But the law of
2:36:20Christ, remember this goes back to why I
2:36:21said I don't have a problem with
2:36:22abrogation. Now you're going to see why
2:36:24I'm consistent. Just like I was telling
2:36:27you that Muhe means
2:36:30>> you the Quran is your Sharia. So if the
2:36:33Quran tells you get circumcised, which
2:36:35was the Sharia of MSA, you get
2:36:36circumcised. But if the Quran tells you
2:36:38you don't keep Sabbath, then you're
2:36:40free. That's what we believe. If we're
2:36:43informed Christians, if you have a
2:36:45Christian who knows his dean, if he I'm
2:36:49not trying to attack anybody. I'm just
2:36:50saying. I don't know.
2:36:51>> I guess. So if he knows his dean, he's
2:36:54going to tell you, "Yes,
2:36:56the law of Moses we follow in so far
2:36:58that Jesus tells us this is what you
2:37:00follow." Or his disciples said, "This is
2:37:01what you follow." But when they say
2:37:03you're freed from that, we don't follow
2:37:05it. For example, even with dietary
2:37:06restrictions in the law Moses, you
2:37:08couldn't eat camel and you couldn't
2:37:10sacrifice camel. In your Sharia, you
2:37:11can.
2:37:12>> Okay?
2:37:13>> So we don't say that's not an argument.
2:37:14I don't use that against Muslims. I
2:37:16don't say, "Oh, you see?" No, because
2:37:17then I'd be inconsistent. You get it?
2:37:20Well, you you were earlier saying that
2:37:22any if if uh the Quran is saying that's
2:37:25being affirmed by the previous prophets
2:37:28and they disagree with those previous
2:37:30prophets in any way, then we're going to
2:37:31throw it throw throw throw it out.
2:37:33>> The theology. No, I was talking about
2:37:35the theology taught by those prophets,
2:37:38not the Sharia and diets. That wasn't my
2:37:41point. What I was saying is if I read
2:37:43the Quran and it has a different view of
2:37:45what the Bible says about God and his
2:37:47nature of Christ, that's when we say,
2:37:49"Sorry, we can't follow you."
2:37:51>> Well, okay. Well, then I think I'm on
2:37:52solid ground because I think, you know,
2:37:54the Jews would do the same thing with
2:37:55you guys. So,
2:37:55>> yeah, I know that.
2:37:56>> Yeah.
2:37:56>> I told you we have a dilemma. So, what
2:37:58we got to do for the Jews? Yeah.
2:37:59>> As a Christian, you know what we do? I
2:38:01can't say, "Hey, your Torah is corrupt
2:38:03cuz he's going to nail me." You know,
2:38:04he's going to nail me.
2:38:05>> No, no. I'm talking about I'm talking
2:38:06about I'm talking about creed. So the
2:38:08Jews are going to look at us and be
2:38:09like, "Thank you Muslims for at least
2:38:11holding on to Monis properly." So if if
2:38:13you're going to say it's restricted to
2:38:14to to then I would say that we're we're
2:38:16chilling. Uh
2:38:17>> no. Yeah. [laughter] So my my point with
2:38:19the Jews,
2:38:19>> you're in some hot water.
2:38:20>> No, I know that. I know the Jews and
2:38:22this is a fact for you don't know. They
2:38:24have a concept called aod. Christians
2:38:27are considered idolatrous, but Muslims
2:38:28consider worship same God. I know this.
2:38:30>> So they they I saw a beautiful clip of a
2:38:32bunch of Jews. You're happy, huh?
2:38:33>> What's up? [laughter]
2:38:35>> What happened? Huh? You're huh? So, how
2:38:37come you can't tell? You can't be
2:38:38naughty. I'm just kidding.
2:38:40>> Okay. Okay. You know what? I could I was
2:38:41about to
2:38:42>> talk. No, no. Talk.
2:38:43>> I was about to go further, but I really
2:38:44want to go to the assignment dilemma.
2:38:45>> Okay.
2:38:45>> Give me your So, you talked about what's
2:38:47it called? Uh 355 and you talk about
2:38:506114 and we dealt I I've given my answer
2:38:53and whatever. Whoever feels that that's
2:38:55uh good or not, that's fine. Let's go to
2:38:56another one.
2:38:57>> Okay. You want me to skip that? You
2:38:58don't want me to address it more fully?
2:39:00Well, I mean, it was brief. That's up to
2:39:01you, man.
2:39:02>> Please tell me I'm not skipping it right
2:39:04now. It's not skipping it but to
2:39:05elaborate but if you want I'll go
2:39:06somewhere else. It's up to you.
2:39:07>> I genuinely thought you elaborated very
2:39:09well and I thought I'll respect that.
2:39:11All right. We'll do that. Okay. Other
2:39:12passages beside [clears throat]
2:39:13>> that one. Okay. We can skip that because
2:39:15you said Paul was lawless. Yeah. One
2:39:17nonetheless not a corny. Yeah.
2:39:18>> Uh uh uh. Okay. I I don't want I don't
2:39:21want to keep going. I made my case and
2:39:23inshallah people online can can figure
2:39:24out if there is some sort of a theology
2:39:26of Jesus and the theology of Paul if
2:39:28there's some differences there. I know
2:39:29that Muslims make a big case about this
2:39:30and I think that people can do their own
2:39:32research. Let's go for the next one. the
2:39:33other verses you you you're familiar
2:39:35with them. It's all going to be in surah
2:39:37bakra, but we're not going to read all
2:39:39of them.
2:39:39>> Well, we can unless you want to.
2:39:40>> I can do a bunch.
2:39:41>> Okay. I'm happy. Do you want to Well, we
2:39:42can go to bakra 240 to 44 or
2:39:45>> nicely done.
2:39:46>> We can go to surah bakra ay 89. Which
2:39:49one do you want to start with?
2:39:50>> Uh I think you mean Oh. Oh, yeah. 89.
2:39:52Yeah, we can do all of them. Okay, let's
2:39:53go for
2:39:54>> because 40 to 44 is a little lengthy
2:39:56because your time is running out, too.
2:39:57So, you want
2:39:57>> No, I'll make this I'll make this quick.
2:39:58Uh
2:39:59>> Bakr 2 verse 89. No, no, you said 40 to
2:40:03you.
2:40:03>> Oh, but you want to read that lengthy
2:40:04one? That's fine. 40 to 44.
2:40:06>> Yes, of course, man. That's what I'm
2:40:07here for.
2:40:07>> No, it's up to you because I didn't.
2:40:10>> Uh, oh children of Israel, remember my
2:40:12favor which I have bestowed upon you and
2:40:13fulfill my covenant upon you that I will
2:40:15fulfill your covenant from me and be
2:40:18afraid of uh only me of me only. Okay,
2:40:20then. So, that's pretty straightforward.
2:40:22That doesn't Okay, now this is the this
2:40:24is the one that you want.
2:40:24>> Yes. Yeah.
2:40:28and believe in what I have sent down
2:40:30confirming that which is already with
2:40:33you
2:40:35mentioned three times in the Quran. Now
2:40:37uh uh this answer that I'm giving is the
2:40:39same answer that I would give for 447
2:40:41for 447 not for the uh 381 because we've
2:40:43already talked about that
2:40:45>> because 289 says the same thing at all
2:40:46these 289 91 97 101 they so this is
2:40:51[clears throat] and the three that
2:40:52you're mentioning is
2:40:54so 89 91 101 those are different I got
2:40:56them all ready that's right that's what
2:40:58I wanted to do to be honest okay let's
2:40:59go so this is pretty straightforward
2:41:01stuff
2:41:02>> and believe in what I have sent down
2:41:05that is confirming what is with you.
2:41:08>> Yep.
2:41:09>> Okay.
2:41:09>> That's right. Yeah.
2:41:10>> So, is this a reference to the entirety
2:41:13of what Allah is sending down? No. There
2:41:14could be that Allah is sending down some
2:41:16revelation that disagrees with you. It
2:41:18could be sometimes Allah is sending
2:41:19revelation that agrees with what you
2:41:21have and Allah is saying. So, the word
2:41:23is it's a so anything that I send down
2:41:27that is in the state of agreeing with
2:41:29what you already believe, don't throw it
2:41:32under the bus because it's in your own
2:41:33belief system. So, let's give a simple
2:41:35example. I'm very happy that I think
2:41:36you're gonna agree with me on this one.
2:41:37>> Okay, let's see.
2:41:38>> So, is it the case that there are
2:41:40Christians that say, "I can't believe in
2:41:42Mohammad because Mohammad went to war
2:41:45and Jesus never went to war." I know
2:41:47you're educated men. You would say to
2:41:48them, you would say to them, "Uh, excuse
2:41:50me. You just threw every single prophet
2:41:52under the bus cuz clearly prophets go to
2:41:54war." That's a bad argument, right? So,
2:41:56Christians do this all the time. They do
2:41:57this with polygamy, right? It's in your
2:41:59book. It talks about polygamy saying if
2:42:00you want to be a marry a second make
2:42:03sure you treat the first one with get
2:42:04give her her clothes give her her her
2:42:06food. This is in the Bible. Christians
2:42:08throw this stuff under the bus
2:42:09regularly. Meanwhile, why to attack
2:42:12Islam? So this verse is saying
2:42:15don't be the first one to reject what's
2:42:16in your own book. This is not a
2:42:19confirmation of everything that is with
2:42:20them. This is a confirmation of saying
2:42:22what? When you have a belief system and
2:42:24you see that a prophet is receiving this
2:42:26revelation, he's like, "I'm gonna reject
2:42:27this prophet and I'm gonna attack those
2:42:29ideas." That's in your own book.
2:42:31>> Yeah.
2:42:31>> Go ahead.
2:42:32>> Well, I know, but like I said,
2:42:34>> we both are going to accuse the other of
2:42:36reading into it. You said all that.
2:42:39>> Yes.
2:42:39>> But if you look at 41, it didn't say
2:42:41anything you said.
2:42:43>> No, [laughter] because we didn't finish
2:42:44the 44. I'm going to get there.
2:42:47>> Because it says confirming with you, it
2:42:49didn't qualify it the way you did. But
2:42:52>> would you like me to show you from I can
2:42:53like show you Arabic grammar. I'm not
2:42:55I'm not going into we've we've also
2:42:58dissected it. I understand
2:42:59>> the word ma means what? Yes. Okay. And
2:43:01so believe in what I have revealed. What
2:43:04I have revealed that is what I have
2:43:07revealed that is confirming with what
2:43:08you have.
2:43:09>> Yeah. What they have exactly.
2:43:11>> So that means if God sends a verse of
2:43:13Quran to his prophet and that says give
2:43:16charity, is that confirming what you
2:43:17have? Of course it is. Right. So, it' be
2:43:19kind of weird if you say, "Why are you
2:43:20giving that guy charity, man? You're
2:43:21wasting your money." I'd say, "Brother,
2:43:23don't you have a book that says you
2:43:24should give charity?" Oh, you're
2:43:26confirming everything in my book. I
2:43:27didn't say I'm confirming everything.
2:43:28God is saying when God sends you
2:43:30revelation and in it what of what he I
2:43:35send that is confirming in the had in
2:43:37the state of confirming what is with
2:43:38you, don't be the first to disbelieve in
2:43:40it. Please.
2:43:41>> Again, I appreciate you gave me an
2:43:43example. Had the Quran given such an
2:43:45example, then you could have made your
2:43:46case. No, no, no. Yeah, I know. I I love
2:43:48you. I swear we're at peace right now.
2:43:50You filled my heart with [laughter] so
2:43:51much love and joy,
2:43:53>> honestly. Okay. It didn't make the
2:43:55qualification you did. It says
2:43:56confirming what is with you. No
2:43:59qualification like you did.
2:44:01>> You qualified it. You said, see, if I
2:44:03say, brother, give charity. And I say,
2:44:06why should I? Well, here isn't it in
2:44:07your book. And I agree. The Quran didn't
2:44:10make that qualification. In point of
2:44:11fact, well, I'll get there. I promise
2:44:13you. Read all the way to 44. You stop at
2:44:1641. Read 42.4. 43.
2:44:17>> Let's go to 42. I've heard I've seen
2:44:19your response to this. Let's go. 42.
2:44:23[clears throat] Do not mix truth with
2:44:24falsehood or conceal the truth while you
2:44:26know it. What is your point there?
2:44:26>> Okay. Well, keep reading on 44. I'll
2:44:28give you a point here. I I have a
2:44:30response. I want to hear also you drop
2:44:32because you teach the book, right? You
2:44:33read the book.
2:44:34>> Okay. Okay. Well, anyway. Okay. We'll
2:44:36drop that one. But I have a good
2:44:37response. Okay.
2:44:38>> I know you have a response stuff, man.
2:44:39>> I man hopefully, bro. Shoot. Then all of
2:44:42you will come to my church then. I don't
2:44:43want see but you're
2:44:44>> okay you want you want to drop that
2:44:46>> but anyway coming back. No. No. Okay.
2:44:47Well, well, that that one that that
2:44:48one's an easy one, but you're not you
2:44:49don't want to make
2:44:50>> The question is it says, "Though you are
2:44:52a reader of the book, 44, right?"
2:44:54>> We'll go to 44.
2:44:56>> No, but I want to tie in with what you
2:44:57said. You have the truth. Don't conceal
2:44:59it.
2:44:59>> Can I Can I read 44?
2:45:00>> Go ahead. Yeah.
2:45:01>> Because you mentioned it.
2:45:02>> Uh, do you order righteousness of the
2:45:03people and forget yourselves while you
2:45:05recite the scripture? Then will you not
2:45:07reason? Excellent. What?
2:45:08>> So, they have the truth,
2:45:10>> right?
2:45:11>> Don't mix it with falsehood.
2:45:12>> Perfect.
2:45:13>> The scripture. So in the context
2:45:15confirming what what is with them.
2:45:17>> Okay. So now thank you. You did make the
2:45:19case. There you go. So verse 42 says
2:45:20what
2:45:22I understand your point. You're saying
2:45:24when you say don't mix truth with
2:45:25falsehood that's a confirmation that
2:45:27they have the entirety of the truth. Now
2:45:30allow me to show you why that's not a
2:45:31very sound argument. The reason it's not
2:45:33a sound argument is because I could be
2:45:34talking to an atheist who has no
2:45:36scripture, nothing. And he could be a
2:45:40what's it called? a dishonest engage
2:45:41with me in a you know bad faith bad
2:45:42faith conversation right
2:45:44>> interlocking
2:45:44>> so when that person is speaking in bad
2:45:46faith and kind of twisting things and
2:45:47dodging things just whatever right I
2:45:49could say bro stop twisting truth with
2:45:51falsehood
2:45:52>> imagine if he turned around and and then
2:45:54said to me ah you agree I have access to
2:45:56all truth don't you I'd be like buddy
2:45:57that is such a stretch so that's it no
2:45:59you want to move to the next one
2:46:00>> no let me now address you because number
2:46:02one you again gave an example
2:46:04>> in order to explain what you think the
2:46:07verse doesn't mean but the passage
2:46:08didn't say what you
2:46:10If you read it, confirm what is with
2:46:12you. No qualification. Number one, I'm
2:46:15just let
2:46:18Arabic knows what I'm talking about.
2:46:19>> Okay. But even was used in 546.
2:46:24It's used in 548. It's used in chapter
2:46:283:3. It's used the same.
2:46:29>> Let's stick let's take this.
2:46:30>> Okay. That's because you keep
2:46:31mentioning.
2:46:33>> Okay. Go ahead.
2:46:34>> Yeah. But we get because it's also used
2:46:35of Isa in the Quran which we spent two
2:46:37hours ago. But now coming back here.
2:46:38>> Yeah. It says confirming what is with
2:46:41you. So the question is what is with
2:46:44them? We didn't establish that yet.
2:46:45That's why I say look at 44. What is
2:46:48with them? The scripture. So the
2:46:51contextual reading if I read it in
2:46:53context.
2:46:55It's saying this Quran confirms what's
2:46:57with you meaning your scripture. So the
2:46:59first point I'm trying to establish is I
2:47:02have to know the identity of the
2:47:03scripture at the time of Muhammad before
2:47:06I can move to the second point. So, what
2:47:08was the scripture that the Quran
2:47:09confirmed?
2:47:10>> May I respond?
2:47:11>> Good stuff. Thank you. So, I'm going to
2:47:14I'm going to answer you. So, God says,
2:47:15"Do you guys command to goodness?"
2:47:17>> Just to be clear, you agree, I agree. I
2:47:19think we both agree that goodness is
2:47:21something that is innate in the soul,
2:47:22right?
2:47:22>> So, whether you're born in this family
2:47:24or that family, there's certain good
2:47:25things, you know, not to like, I don't
2:47:26know, torture animals or something. You
2:47:27know how charity is good, truth is good,
2:47:29things like this, right?
2:47:29>> Yes.
2:47:30>> So, yes, decency and goodness is a
2:47:33universal. Now it's saying, "Do you
2:47:34order righteousness of the people and
2:47:36forget yourselves while you recite the
2:47:38scripture?" Yep.
2:47:38>> Now you're saying, "Look, it's very
2:47:40obviously saying that you have to accept
2:47:42the entirety of the scripture." Right?
2:47:44Now, let's imagine, hey, we got Mormons
2:47:46with us, right? We got some. Okay. So,
2:47:48to the Mormons,
2:47:48>> let's say mean you both don't believe in
2:47:50their book. Right?
2:47:51>> Couldn't I make the case? Couldn't I
2:47:52make the statement to a Mormon? He gets
2:47:54up on what what's their day of the week?
2:47:56What's the What's their speech day?
2:47:57>> Seventh. Seventh.
2:47:58>> What is it?
2:47:59>> Is it Saturday or Sunday? Sunday.
2:48:00Sunday. So, I'm sorry. I literally don't
2:48:02know. It's very embarrassing. I
2:48:03apologize. So on Sunday,
2:48:05>> uh let's say he gets up Mormon preacher
2:48:07and he preaches charity or any other any
2:48:10other decency or goodness,
2:48:11>> right? And I say to this guy, do you
2:48:13seriously command your congregation to
2:48:15be righteous and forget about yourself
2:48:18while you read the scripture? This could
2:48:19be a reference to Mormon scripture.
2:48:22>> Don't you use your reason? Now imagine
2:48:23if he turns around to me and says, "Ah,
2:48:25you just confirmed my entire scripture.
2:48:26So you're a Mormon, then
2:48:28>> come on."
2:48:28>> No. Then he would, if [clears throat] he
2:48:30said that, then I'd then have to then
2:48:32explain and qualify. No, that's not what
2:48:34I mean. The qualification you're giving
2:48:36me, it's not in the verses. That's is my
2:48:38point I'm trying to get at. Don't nod
2:48:40your head, bro. You're showing your
2:48:41bias. [laughter]
2:48:42>> I caught that. You see, that's Yeah.
2:48:44Don't nod your head, bro.
2:48:45>> I'm telling you, inshallah. Inshallah, I
2:48:48think there's an honesty with you. And
2:48:49inshallah, Allah, guides our hearts.
2:48:50Honestly, I'm being honest.
2:48:52>> Listen, don't be offended. We think
2:48:53Christianity is true. So, we pray for
2:48:54all of you. Is that okay? Because we
2:48:55think so. You're not going to be
2:48:56offended. Not trying to be mean, but I
2:48:58with with certain other people who I
2:48:59don't have to mention, I definitely
2:49:00didn't get that impression at all.
2:49:01>> But my point, [laughter]
2:49:02>> I'm just being honest. You
2:49:04>> even though I got the worst reputation
2:49:05of all the apologists, I'm the one.
2:49:07Right.
2:49:07>> So, I think I think
2:49:08>> is that what I
2:49:09>> love this guy. Abd Rahman, I love you,
2:49:11man.
2:49:11>> I think the temper I think the temper
2:49:12comes out and that's fine. That's one
2:49:14thing. But,
2:49:14>> I was born angry, bro. I came out of my
2:49:16mother's stomach angry, bro.
2:49:17>> Thank you for being an honest guy.
2:49:18>> You know what? You know, the last time I
2:49:20was 120 pounds, I was a month old.
2:49:22>> Yeah. I came out 120 lbs. I've been
2:49:25struggling with wait, bro. Shoot. But
2:49:27anyway, coming back time. You got 15
2:49:29minutes.
2:49:30>> The [clears throat] qualification you're
2:49:31making,
2:49:33that's how I know you're not going to
2:49:34confirm the Book of Mormon. If a guy
2:49:36says, "Oh, so you're saying my scriptur
2:49:38is truth." No, no, no, no. I'm saying
2:49:41what you quoted from that part of
2:49:42scripture is true. That qualification is
2:49:45necessary in order for you to show to
2:49:48the Mormon. You don't mean you confirm
2:49:50the entire book. So what I'm coming back
2:49:53here is showing you that in the verses
2:49:55that we're citing that qualification is
2:49:58not there.
2:49:58>> Well, that's why I went through each of
2:49:59them.
2:49:59>> Yeah, but it's there even in 289 to
2:50:02where it doesn't talk about.
2:50:03>> Let's go. Thank you. Let's go. Let's go
2:50:04to the next one. So we're
2:50:06>> I want to show you also verses where the
2:50:08word sodak is used. I want to ask for
2:50:09your interpretation, but go to 289.
2:50:11>> Okay. So we're going to go through three
2:50:12of them. It's 289 2911.
2:50:15They all say they all say the same
2:50:18thing, right? Okay. Perfect.
2:50:19>> Now I'm going to make a case. Go ahead.
2:50:21And it's not based on it's just based on
2:50:22the actual context. Let's let's let's
2:50:24bring it up. So let's start with 279.
2:50:28>> God in the Quran. Yeah. Hold on one
2:50:29second. So God says in the Quran that
2:50:31they changed the word with their they
2:50:32changed the scripture. Excuse me. They
2:50:33changed a scripture.
2:50:34>> Wrote a book with their own hand and
2:50:35said it's from what the verse says. It
2:50:37says they wrote a book with their own
2:50:39hand. Not changed. They wrote a book
2:50:40with their own hand. Just want to say
2:50:42I'm helping you.
2:50:43>> So So okay, just everybody read it
2:50:46yourselves. Yes. Okay. Read it
2:50:48yourselves. I am saying and you don't
2:50:49have to believe me. I'm saying that 279
2:50:51is demonstrating that clearly they mess
2:50:53with scripture. This is my
2:50:54interpretation. You can agree or
2:50:55disagree if you'd like.
2:50:56>> I'm saying that they mess with scripture
2:50:58in 279. So therefore, when it comes to
2:51:00scripture, we're not fully agreeing or
2:51:02fully denying, right? We don't fully
2:51:04agree. We don't fully deny. That's
2:51:06that's that's being established right
2:51:07here. Cool.
2:51:08>> Okay.
2:51:08>> We move a little bit forward. So we're
2:51:10now we have a book this your old
2:51:11scriptures that we're we're asking
2:51:13ourselves how much is true, how much is
2:51:14false, we're not sure. Now, in verses 83
2:51:16and 84, God describes a mak, a covenant.
2:51:21That's right.
2:51:21>> It has five commands and two
2:51:24prohibitions. And God says what? That in
2:51:26this m I'd love for you guys to pull it
2:51:28up so you can see. In this covenant, and
2:51:30I can read you what the covenant is.
2:51:31>> Yeah.
2:51:31>> In this covenant, this is what was
2:51:33authentic from the past prophets.
2:51:35>> And now, what's beautiful is that now
2:51:37when you move on to 89, 91, and 101,
2:51:42when it says confirming what is with
2:51:44you, what is this? What is it? The
2:51:45entirety of the scripture? Well, no, cuz
2:51:46we just said 79. You can't trust all of
2:51:48it. Is it just contextually right
2:51:51before? Is it this basic covenant of
2:51:54what makes a decent believer? Yes. And
2:51:56this is exactly the point that God is
2:51:57saying, I sent you a messenger. And he
2:51:59confirms the covenant that not only was
2:52:01sent to you in the past, but you have it
2:52:03with you now. And I just described it.
2:52:06And yet you still do what? Verse 89, you
2:52:08still disbelieve in it. Verse 91, you
2:52:10still disbelieve. So you know it's the
2:52:12truth. and verse 101, you throw it
2:52:14behind your backs. Do the Jews and
2:52:15Christians do that with this covenant? I
2:52:17would say point number one of the
2:52:18covenant is monotheism. Yes.
2:52:20Unfortunately, it's all over your book.
2:52:21It's all over my book and you're still
2:52:22trinitarian, which is heartbreaking.
2:52:24Then hold on.
2:52:26>> When it comes to the Jews, when it comes
2:52:28to the Jews, yeah,
2:52:29>> it mentions in the last two in verses in
2:52:31verse 84, it talks about what? It talks
2:52:33about killing people and exiling people.
2:52:34And God confirms in the very next verse
2:52:3685 that they do kill and exile people.
2:52:38They have done that. And as you said a
2:52:40second ago, turn on the news. What do
2:52:42you see? Killing and exiling people
2:52:43every day, paid for by the Christian,
2:52:46>> unfortunately. But I know you disagree
2:52:47with it. Thank God. So my point is that
2:52:49>> when God So do you see that the
2:52:51continuity?
2:52:51>> You know, by the way, you're going to
2:52:52get us censored. You know that, right?
2:52:54>> Okay. Uh
2:52:54>> I know. No, I'm saying on on uh we're
2:52:57going to get censored if we talk about
2:52:58Zionism. You know that, right?
2:52:59>> Speaking the truth, my friend. So I'm
2:53:02glad we're on the same page.
2:53:04>> We all We all got to We all got to die
2:53:05some. We all
2:53:06>> No, we're gonna get Yeah. [laughter] So
2:53:08if you if you don't see this video
2:53:10online because you know why because
2:53:12we're
2:53:12>> going to keep this, right?
2:53:13>> Yeah. It's being honest, right? Are we
2:53:14lying? I'm not doing Yeah.
2:53:15>> Just some of the words.
2:53:16>> Just let you know because when
2:53:17>> you just blank it out. Can't blank out
2:53:18that word
2:53:18>> because you're not Yeah. You may get
2:53:19censored. I'm just letting you know.
2:53:20>> Please keep it and blank the word.
2:53:22>> Okay. So coming [clears throat] back to
2:53:23279.
2:53:25>> Again, don't take my word for if you
2:53:26open up. It says, "Woe to those who
2:53:28write the book with their own their own
2:53:30hand and say this is from Allah to gain
2:53:32a poultry miserable." Yeah. Yeah.
2:53:34>> But if you read the context, number one,
2:53:36it talks about a party of them. Not all
2:53:38of them. I know the verse. If you look
2:53:40at a party of them, but the same Quran
2:53:42tells us in
2:53:44chapter 3 ayat 11314.
2:53:48Not all of them are alike because
2:53:50there's a party of them that do what is
2:53:52righteous.
2:53:53>> Yeah.
2:53:53>> Okay. So, you took a verse that talks
2:53:55about one group at a specific place at a
2:53:59specific time. No one denies because
2:54:02even the Quran itself talks about the
2:54:04Quran being tampered with in the
2:54:07lifetime of your prophet.
2:54:08>> But you said it says 279.
2:54:10>> No, no, 279 doesn't say.
2:54:12>> No, read 279 first.
2:54:13>> Yeah. So, woe to those who write the
2:54:14scripture with their own hand and say
2:54:16this is from Allah in order to exchange
2:54:17for it a small price. Woe to them for
2:54:18what their hands have written and woe to
2:54:20them for what they have earned. Never
2:54:21says a party.
2:54:21>> 75 to 79 friend. I know. I thought maybe
2:54:23we but you can read 7579. So you can see
2:54:277579. You see it's a party
2:54:28>> 275 right? That's the context. Starts at
2:54:3075.
2:54:31>> Sure thing. 75. Uh, yes. Do you covet uh
2:54:35what part of them you said?
2:54:36>> 75. If you're giving the words of Allah
2:54:37and destroy. Yes. This is different
2:54:38talking about a different thing.
2:54:39>> But just keep reading.
2:54:39>> Yeah, sure. I'll read it. Do you covet?
2:54:41Do you covet the hope believers that
2:54:44they would believe for you uh for you?
2:54:46Uh yeah. While a party of them used to
2:54:49hear the word of Allah and then distort
2:54:51the Torah after they had understood it
2:54:53while they were knowing. That's
2:54:54perfectly fine.
2:54:54>> Well, keep reading. I'm just I agree
2:54:56with you.
2:54:57>> Okay. And I'm going to show you from
2:54:5831314.
2:55:00>> Can I just make a quick comment here?
2:55:02>> You do understand that in taps or in the
2:55:04scholarly commentary there are some
2:55:06scholars that take your position, but
2:55:07again there's an avalanche of scholars
2:55:09that take my position.
2:55:10>> That's why I'm sticking with the Quran.
2:55:11I didn't go to scholars.
2:55:12>> Fair enough.
2:55:13>> Uh so uh uh so we said strike the slain
2:55:16man with a party of it. Oh no, sorry.
2:55:18Where where
2:55:19>> 7576?
2:55:21>> Um yeah, 74. Uh then your hearts uh
2:55:25became hard after that being like stones
2:55:27were even harder. Yes, this is talking
2:55:28about a hypoc 75 79. You start at 75 76
2:55:33778 79.
2:55:34>> My bad. My bad. My bad. That was my
2:55:35fault. Uh and when they meet those who
2:55:37believe, they say we have believed. But
2:55:38when they are alone with the ones uh
2:55:40they uh with with one another. They say,
2:55:44"Do you talk to them about what Allah
2:55:46has revealed to you so they can argue
2:55:48with you about it before your Lord? Then
2:55:49will they not reason? But do they not
2:55:51know that Allah knows what they can say
2:55:52and what they can declare and among uh
2:55:54and among them
2:55:55>> among them
2:55:56>> yeah are unlettered ones who do not know
2:55:58the scripture except in wishful
2:56:00thinking. Yes.
2:56:01>> Okay. So the entire context is not
2:56:03talking about all of them.
2:56:04>> Even 79 is connected with a context
2:56:06speaking of a group to confirm my
2:56:08interpretation using just the Quran.
2:56:10>> So I'm not using taps.
2:56:11>> If you go to chapter 3
2:56:13>> but that doesn't help you at all. If if
2:56:15you have a party of people that are
2:56:17playing with scripture and another party
2:56:19of people that are not playing with
2:56:20scripture. So now you have a bunch of
2:56:21different scriptures running around. It
2:56:22kind of confirms what history tells us
2:56:24that that's why there are so many
2:56:26different variant texts.
2:56:28>> And so you're saying are you follow like
2:56:31you get my point?
2:56:31>> No, I understand what you're saying. But
2:56:32that's my point. That's uh no one says
2:56:35that no one at any point in history
2:56:38hasn't corrupted any text. That's true
2:56:40of the Quran. That's true of the Bible.
2:56:41The point being
2:56:44because you have hundreds of thousands
2:56:47of people all over the world with their
2:56:49copies, you can detect corruption in
2:56:51manuscripts and still restore the
2:56:53original. That's how textual criticism
2:56:57[clears throat] works across the board.
2:56:58It's not just true of the Bible. It's
2:56:59true of the Quran. But that's why I want
2:57:01to put textual criticism aside. The fact
2:57:04that I'm right that it's only a party of
2:57:06them. Surah chapter 3 11314 and chapter
2:57:103 verse 189. Can you read that for me?
2:57:12>> I I I'm I'm Yeah, sure. But do you This
2:57:16isn't helping.
2:57:16>> It's going to help if I finish the
2:57:17point. [laughter] I'm just
2:57:19>> No, we'll do it. We'll do it. What did
2:57:20you say? Three. What?
2:57:21>> 311314.
2:57:23>> Sure.
2:57:24>> Yeah.
2:57:25>> Yeah. They're not all the same. Yeah.
2:57:26Yeah. Yeah. So, they are not all the
2:57:28same among the people of the scripture
2:57:29as a community standing. Read it out
2:57:31loud. They are not all the same among
2:57:32the people of the scripture as a
2:57:33community standing in obedience reciting
2:57:35the verses of Allah during period during
2:57:36periods of the night and prospering.
2:57:37Yes, there are sincere Christians
2:57:38definitely. but that do recite the
2:57:41verses the way they're supposed to be
2:57:42recited, right?
2:57:43>> Uh
2:57:47yes. Yes. Yes.
2:57:48>> And then 3199 confirms it.
2:57:50>> 3199.
2:57:51>> Yes. That they're not all.
2:57:52>> So look, let me let me let me clarify
2:57:54this.
2:57:54>> That uh do they recite uh scripture?
2:57:57Yes. There's nothing wrong. We do not we
2:57:59do not deny.
2:58:00>> But if you finish that, they won't sell
2:58:01it. That group in 279 wrote a book so
2:58:04they can sell and profit it. Yeah. This
2:58:06group would not sell the signs of Allah.
2:58:08>> That's great.
2:58:09>> Yeah. Right.
2:58:10>> So now what we have what we have is a
2:58:12long Christian history of people that
2:58:15sometimes have scripture and are sincere
2:58:18and pray and worship and they try to
2:58:20hold on to the truth.
2:58:21>> We acknowledge that.
2:58:22>> And then there's a different group that
2:58:24are twisting scripture, adding things.
2:58:26And then when you take a look at that
2:58:28and contrast it with history, yeah, what
2:58:30you have are so many gospels, some of
2:58:32which made it into the canon, some of
2:58:34which didn't make it into the canon.
2:58:35Some copy copiest. I mean, there are
2:58:37Bibles that you can literally say, "Oh,
2:58:38this one, this one's been edited out.
2:58:40This one's been removed. This one we
2:58:41agree with. This one we don't agree
2:58:42with." Then there's like people talk
2:58:43about uh uh what's it called? Oh, no.
2:58:45When we look at the ancient, what's it
2:58:46called? The uh
2:58:46>> which one?
2:58:47>> I don't know. Maseretic texts and they
2:58:48talk and they also talk about what's
2:58:51called Exactly. Right. There's so many
2:58:53commentary like this is confirming what
2:58:54I'm saying that there are sincere
2:58:55amongst us. So it's nice that Muslims
2:58:57don't paint people with one brush that
2:58:58we recognize that there is truth that
2:59:00some people hold on to the best they can
2:59:02and other people that mess with it and
2:59:04unfortunately because of this
2:59:06>> bit of a mishmash throughout history the
2:59:08prophet Muhammad came to do what I know
2:59:10you don't like it but
2:59:12clarify all the distortions
2:59:13>> yeah but again now coming back to the
2:59:15issue
2:59:15>> yeah [clears throat]
2:59:17>> you keep reading into the passages what
2:59:20you're assuming to be
2:59:21>> I just agreed with you no not you didn't
2:59:23agree with me and you saying that oh
2:59:25yeah there are corrupt manus manuscripts
2:59:26and that's why we don't know what the
2:59:27original Bible says. That's not the
2:59:28argument of the Quran. Nor is that the
2:59:30argument of textual criticism. That's
2:59:32why I'm trying to establish a point. I'm
2:59:33letting you talk so you don't think I'm
2:59:35cutting you off. If I read the Quran as
2:59:37a whole in context, there's only one
2:59:40specific group that's tampering with the
2:59:42scriptures. But the rest because even in
2:59:4427579,
2:59:47who is the audience? Who are these
2:59:49people that heard the word of Allah and
2:59:50twisted it? We're talking Bakar is Ben
2:59:53Israel is
2:59:54>> so not so at best what you're telling me
2:59:57is there's Jews who are corrupting the
2:59:59scriptures but those same scriptures are
3:00:01in the pres presence of Christians all
3:00:03over the world they won't change the
3:00:05scriptures to agree with the Jews so you
3:00:07haven't proven that the Quran is saying
3:00:08>> this isn't giving the time period you
3:00:10you keep on restricting it to a very
3:00:11particular time period
3:00:11>> surah it says that they did the same
3:00:14thing time of your prophet surah 444 to
3:00:1846
3:00:20246.
3:00:21>> No, not two. Surah Danisa chapter 4.
3:00:23>> I said I meant 44. 246. I got you.
3:00:26>> Read it right there.
3:00:27>> Have you not seen those who were given
3:00:28the portion of the scripture purchasing
3:00:29errors in exchange wishing and Allah's
3:00:31knowing of your enemies? Look.
3:00:33>> Yes.
3:00:33>> Okay. So, it's a time Muhammad, right?
3:00:35>> This one is
3:00:36>> what about Bakra? Because if I go to
3:00:39>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That
3:00:40I'm I'm actually really glad that you
3:00:42follow what I'm saying. Thank you very
3:00:44much. [clears throat]
3:00:44>> Yes, you did find a spot that is saying
3:00:46that people try to mess with scripture
3:00:48at a particular time period. That's
3:00:49richer. The words that we're hearing
3:00:50from your prophet. That's the context of
3:00:53444 to 46. So would you say when they
3:00:56heard his words in twist that they were
3:00:58corrupting the Quran?
3:00:59>> They were trying to.
3:01:00>> But did they succeed?
3:01:02>> I would say no.
3:01:02>> But were they changing the text or the
3:01:04interpretation what they were hearing?
3:01:06>> Either way.
3:01:06>> No, but interpretation. They were trying
3:01:08to.
3:01:09>> So all you've established is that there
3:01:10were people when they heard the word
3:01:12they misinterpreted it and even Yeah,
3:01:15I'm getting there. And all if you want
3:01:16me to go outside of the Quran, go ahead.
3:01:17Now you've made your you made your case
3:01:18and I understand it now. Thank you. Now
3:01:20I for a second there I was wondering
3:01:21where you're going. Now I get your
3:01:22point. Yes,
3:01:23>> it's clear. It's good.
3:01:24>> So this is contextual. Previously it was
3:01:26not. You're restricting it to a time
3:01:28period that's not that's not granted. Go
3:01:29ahead.
3:01:30>> I'll go outside of the Quran to tell you
3:01:31that they say this was at the time of
3:01:33MS.
3:01:34>> So what do you want me to do?
3:01:36>> Because if I go to the commentaries
3:01:38they go that surah bakra 275 means at
3:01:41the time of MS when they heard it they
3:01:43twisted it.
3:01:43>> Sure. But like you just said, because
3:01:45I'm following you, just because in surah
3:01:494:44-46,
3:01:51it says they heard the words of your
3:01:53prophet and twisted it, that doesn't
3:01:55mean they corrupted the text of the
3:01:57Quran. They were hearing it orally and
3:02:00misinterpreting it. Similarly, according
3:02:03to those commentators, because you
3:02:04wanted the historical context situated,
3:02:06they go that when some of the ban is
3:02:08heard Moses,
3:02:11>> you do realize that this doesn't say
3:02:12anything about writing with their hands,
3:02:13right?
3:02:13>> I know that. I'm going to get
3:02:14>> 444 to 46.
3:02:16>> I'm so you're you're you're trying to
3:02:18make a parallel that doesn't really
3:02:19>> There is a parallel because
3:02:20>> there's a parallel in a degree, but it's
3:02:22to mess with the scripture, but it
3:02:23doesn't actually it doesn't specifically
3:02:25say uh uh scribes. Go ahead.
3:02:27>> I love this guy, man. That's why I can't
3:02:28be mean, cuz I love this guy. All right.
3:02:30>> That's very sweet of you. We're coming
3:02:31coming to Albakra. What I'm trying to is
3:02:32I'm following your logic. You admit it
3:02:35was the Jews. So yeah, you said it's
3:02:38Jews. So we establish it's the Jews.
3:02:40It's not every Jew everywhere because
3:02:43you admit there's historical context. So
3:02:45maybe these Jews were corrupt, but the
3:02:47rest of the Jews and all the Christians
3:02:49were not corrupt like these Jews. So we
3:02:51establish it's still a group. Secondly,
3:02:54it is a particular group that's writing
3:02:56the book with their hand. And in the
3:02:58context, you admit it's the Jews. What
3:03:00has that got to do with the scriptures
3:03:01in the hands of the Christians that also
3:03:03had the Old Testament and New Testament
3:03:04and would not fall prey for a book
3:03:07concocted by Jews in order to make
3:03:09money? How does that prove wholesale
3:03:11corruption? That's what the Quran is
3:03:12teaching.
3:03:12>> So when when just to be clear when we
3:03:14talk about toadam I don't know of Muslim
3:03:18when we're talking about the Tawra that
3:03:20isam had that Jesus had I don't know
3:03:22that Muslims are walking around or
3:03:23believing that Isa that Jesus was
3:03:25walking around with his own copy version
3:03:27something like this. No, but he was
3:03:28given and inspired with the Torah,
3:03:30meaning the law. That means he knew
3:03:32God's law better than anybody,
3:03:33completely uncorrupted, completely
3:03:34authentic, and could prove it to the
3:03:36Pharisees and would argue with the
3:03:37Pharisees and would thwart them and beat
3:03:39them in argumentation to prove that he
3:03:41had the correct perspective,
3:03:42understanding, etc.
3:03:44>> You want me to address that?
3:03:45>> So, so, so, so what I'm saying is that
3:03:48>> everything you're saying, and I'm not
3:03:50trying to be rude, I'm not really seeing
3:03:51how it's helping you because you're
3:03:53right. There's
3:03:54>> your head, man. Oh, you're nodding for
3:03:55him.
3:03:55>> You're not for me now. Hey, I'll take
3:03:56it. I wasn't doing all the time.
3:03:58>> You got a knot for me then. [laughter]
3:04:00>> So, so what I'm saying is that
3:04:03>> we don't have the printing press back
3:04:04then. Yes. You have small groups of
3:04:06scribes here and there. And so when
3:04:08small groups of scribes,
3:04:09>> one party of them is trying to be
3:04:11faithful. Other parties are trying to
3:04:12mess around. What you're going to have
3:04:13is now copies going around that are, you
3:04:16know, making issues.
3:04:17>> And so when you have that, there's
3:04:19nothing wrong with the Muslim then
3:04:20saying that. Yeah. And by the way, this
3:04:22is corroborated in history. Again, I I
3:04:23don't want to be
3:04:24>> so you can wear I'm just waiting for
3:04:25>> I don't want to be repetitive, but like
3:04:27>> yeah,
3:04:27>> I even talked about the Catholic
3:04:28version, Protestant version, etc. And I
3:04:30know you're going to say, well, they're
3:04:31different uh not necessarily uh writing
3:04:33errors, but there are different books
3:04:34and this is a big deal. So, what I'm
3:04:36trying to say
3:04:36>> I can address that, but your time is
3:04:38almost up, but go ahead.
3:04:39>> Oh, snap. Subhan Allah. No, but I want
3:04:40to address that.
3:04:41>> Thank you very much, by the way. This
3:04:42has been great. Uh but yes, I do hope
3:04:44that you uh see my point that you're
3:04:47you're trying to
3:04:48>> We have to be honest. We can't pretend
3:04:50we know everything that was happening.
3:04:52Like, no, no, I know 2,000 years ago. I
3:04:54knew I knew all the copious by name and
3:04:56I know the group that was bad and how
3:04:57they lost their perver their perverted
3:04:59version and I know the good ones and how
3:05:01they were. We don't know any of this
3:05:02stuff, right? So, it's a little bit of a
3:05:04stretch. I think I am am in a much safer
3:05:06position to say look since we're things
3:05:08are ambiguous and things have come to us
3:05:10from the past
3:05:10>> and that there's a lot of textual
3:05:12variance and issues and people are not
3:05:14sure what books to include, what books
3:05:15to not include when God describes some
3:05:17people being faithful, some people being
3:05:18unfaithful to the scripture. Yeah. Yeah.
3:05:20It seems perfectly in line. Go ahead.
3:05:22>> Okay. To say that Jesus learned the
3:05:24Torah so that [clears throat] he had the
3:05:26correct understanding but not
3:05:27necessarily the scriptures at that time.
3:05:30>> That's why we spent
3:05:31>> I'm sorry. You said that we've been for
3:05:33a long time. My brain. Yeah. Go ahead.
3:05:35>> The Torah that Jesus confirmed was what
3:05:36was taught to him.
3:05:39>> Revelation. Yes.
3:05:41>> Not so much the scriptures, but he had
3:05:43the Torah because it was inspired to him
3:05:45and he could tell the Jews this is what
3:05:46it means.
3:05:47>> Yes.
3:05:47>> The problem [clears throat] with your
3:05:48interpretation, we spent two hours on
3:05:50it. That's why we we keep spinning
3:05:52wheels. But it's fine because we you
3:05:54know in that that statement in surah al
3:05:57maida 543 to 48.
3:06:00>> The Torah that Jesus confirms is in the
3:06:02context of exorting the Jews at the time
3:06:04Muhammad. See this Torah you have that
3:06:07Torah Jesus confirmed. In other words,
3:06:10it's not simply what Allah revealed to
3:06:12Jesus.
3:06:12>> I'm sorry to say I think you're kind of
3:06:13reading.
3:06:13>> Well, let me let me cut you off. No, but
3:06:15actually that's a contextual meaning.
3:06:16Anyone can read it because that's the
3:06:17context. Why do you Jews come to
3:06:21Muhammad when you have the Torah? And
3:06:22then it says, "The prophets judged by
3:06:24it. Jesus also confirmed it." It makes
3:06:27no sense in that context to tell the
3:06:30Jews, "Look, Jesus confirmed this Torah,
3:06:34the Torah I'm telling you to judge by,
3:06:36if it's not simply [clears throat] what
3:06:39you're saying, what he was inspired to
3:06:41know, as opposed to confirming their
3:06:44copies."
3:06:44>> So, can I clarify this? So yeah, we're
3:06:47going to have to close. But basically,
3:06:48the reason why I would say my position
3:06:50is actually strong is because of uh 350
3:06:53where Allah does talk about Jesus having
3:06:55the same dual function when he says
3:07:03exactly
3:07:04>> right. Exactly. So we have come
3:07:06confirming what was before me,
3:07:09>> what was before me of the Torah. So I'm
3:07:10confirming that and to make lawful for
3:07:12you some of what was forbidden to you.
3:07:14>> But it goes back to the original
3:07:15argument. So it doesn't say that that
3:07:17Allah forbid for them. It's just this
3:07:19was forbidden for you. So it's using the
3:07:21maj it's using the the the the passive
3:07:23in order to say that look
3:07:25>> was this forbidden by God or was this
3:07:27forbidden because of tradition. So
3:07:29basically what's saying that there has
3:07:31been some kind of distortion that has
3:07:32been made. Jesus came to affirm what is
3:07:34right
3:07:35>> and clarify what is wrong. So when you
3:07:37see that Jesus had that function with
3:07:39the Israelites, it's fair to say that
3:07:41the prophet Muhammad had that same and
3:07:43this is the whole concept of prophets
3:07:45coming. If everybody has the truth and
3:07:46everything's fine, you don't need new
3:07:47prophets. The whole concept of God
3:07:49sending new prophets is that yes, some
3:07:51of the truth may have come across but
3:07:52you guys are messing around too much and
3:07:54this is a beautiful consistency that we
3:07:56see. But go ahead.
3:07:57>> Okay. Now coming back to your issue if I
3:07:58take the interpretation it's tradition
3:08:01that still doesn't mean this the
3:08:03[clears throat] text is corrupt.
3:08:04Tradition is one thing the text is
3:08:05another. So I'm going with your
3:08:06interpretation.
3:08:07>> No, that's not my inter my
3:08:08interpretation. My interpretation is
3:08:09that there there's range of meaning here
3:08:10that they could have
3:08:11>> I'm going to take all of it.
3:08:12>> Perfect. Cuz they could have definitely
3:08:14messed with the text. Okay. What? Number
3:08:15one, we go with what you said.
3:08:17>> Sure.
3:08:17>> If it's making lawful what their
3:08:19tradition made unlawful,
3:08:21>> that has nothing to do with the text.
3:08:22But if it's making lawful
3:08:25>> what Allah made unlawful, that doesn't
3:08:27mean
3:08:27>> No, no, no. Say the second. That's what
3:08:29you said.
3:08:29>> The second the second one would be it's
3:08:31making lawful what they had made made
3:08:33what they messed up with the text.
3:08:34>> But you said I'm going I'm listening
3:08:35very carefully. You said maybe I'm not.
3:08:37Sorry.
3:08:38>> You said it's passive. It can mean what
3:08:39Allah made unlawful or tradition.
3:08:43>> That's what you said.
3:08:44Sorry, I think you might have missed me.
3:08:46>> It could be that Jesus is clarifying
3:08:48their tradition, like what they just
3:08:50passed on, like their ideas about the
3:08:51text or what they messed with the text.
3:08:54>> Yeah, but it doesn't say mess with the
3:08:55text.
3:08:55>> That's my point.
3:08:56>> But I'm going to make the my point for
3:08:57you. Just like when the Quran abregates
3:09:00the Quran,
3:09:02>> it doesn't mean the text is corrupted,
3:09:04right?
3:09:04>> I understand that's one interpretation.
3:09:06>> Yeah, but that's not only my
3:09:07interpretation. What I'm trying to get
3:09:08at I know you're trying to process. What
3:09:10I'm trying to get at, even if you go
3:09:11outside, my commentator, whatever you're
3:09:13saying,
3:09:14>> you go read the commentaries, don't take
3:09:16my word for it. They say
3:09:18>> he was sent what the legislation to free
3:09:21his people from the things that Allah
3:09:23and the Torah made haram or their
3:09:26traditions, but none of them said that's
3:09:29because the text was corrupted.
3:09:30>> So, let me I guess we we'll come full
3:09:32circle. Thank you for your point. But
3:09:34what I'm saying is that alhamdulillah
3:09:35what since we see that in the Quran
3:09:38Allah does make and I'm going to go back
3:09:39to this original point that I should
3:09:41have stuck with and I did stick with it
3:09:42to a certain degree that there are uh uh
3:09:44conscious edits being made we can't
3:09:47adjust where time is up so but there are
3:09:49conscious edits being made. So it's very
3:09:51reasonable to see that when the Jews for
3:09:53example they say the hand of Moses it
3:09:56came out lepous and then the Quran
3:09:58specifically says that his hand came out
3:10:00white shining and not lepous clearly
3:10:04this is saying what that there was
3:10:05somebody messing with the text. So now
3:10:07we understand that from now if we say
3:10:09okay well if that's true then yeah 279
3:10:12all the scholars that affirm my
3:10:13perspective they're justified and when
3:10:15we're looking at what was it the 350
3:10:17it's very fair to say that yes if uh uh
3:10:21uh Jews earlier had messed with their
3:10:23text and Jesus is clarifying it could be
3:10:25just their interpretation or it could be
3:10:26the words themselves both are valid hope
3:10:29that's clear
3:10:29>> what do you want me to do because the
3:10:30time is up
3:10:31>> close you want me to say something all
3:10:32right yeah because you brought up
3:10:33conscious edits again
3:10:35>> this is again why we talk past each
3:10:38other because you're assuming that if
3:10:39the Quran says something different from
3:10:41what's in the Torah that it's editing
3:10:42[clears throat] it as opposed to what
3:10:45we're trying to get at. I know you
3:10:47believe he's a prophet,
3:10:48>> but since we don't accept him as a
3:10:50prophet, when we see this these
3:10:52mistakes, then we are saying that's all
3:10:54the more reason why we don't follow him.
3:10:56Because he's confirming the scriptures,
3:10:59not doing conscious edits because he
3:11:00never says, "I'm correcting the
3:11:02scriptures because you see
3:11:04contradictions." You're thinking the
3:11:06problems with the Bible. We're saying
3:11:07no, that's exactly the dilemma, the
3:11:09problems with the Quran. That's why we
3:11:10can't follow him.
3:11:11>> Perfect. And the problem with that is
3:11:13that the issue the issue the issue with
3:11:15that is that
3:11:16>> you're now assuming you're imposing on
3:11:18the text. Okay. That
3:11:19>> say
3:11:20>> it agrees with everything in the Bible.
3:11:21And you're like, what about here where
3:11:22it doesn't? Oh, that was a mistake. He
3:11:23meant to agree with the Bible, but he
3:11:24actually said the words what
3:11:26>> this hand is. They said lepous. It's
3:11:30actually white shining and not lepous.
3:11:33Oh, that was a mistake. No, it's a
3:11:34conscious edit. So for you to say, well,
3:11:37he's agreeing with the whole Bible and
3:11:38when he consciously changes it, that's
3:11:40his mistake. Like, do you see how like
3:11:41this is getting
3:11:42>> there's only a problem with that
3:11:43assumption that we're saying conscious
3:11:44edit. I know we're going to go over
3:11:45there. Number one, apart from the Hebrew
3:11:48scriptures, how do you know anything
3:11:51about Moses?
3:11:52Do you want
3:11:53>> No, because we're going back to because
3:11:54not only prior to because prior to
3:11:57Muhammad,
3:11:58>> all the prophets that the Quran mentions
3:12:01were confirming that Torah that had that
3:12:03story, even Jesus. So if you're saying
3:12:06this is a conscience edit, that means
3:12:08according to you, if I follow your
3:12:09logic, God allowed all the prophets and
3:12:12Jesus to confirm his hand was lepous
3:12:15knowing it's a mistake, didn't correct
3:12:17them or tell them to correct it until
3:12:19Muhammad came. That's your dilemma. No,
3:12:21I would say to in response with that
3:12:22that Jesus at the end of uh what's it
3:12:24called the end of John even?
3:12:25>> Oh, even John. Yeah, even at the end of
3:12:26John.
3:12:26>> But I thought it's a biography. I'm
3:12:28telling you. I'm telling you. Even I
3:12:29thought it's a biography. Listen, not
3:12:31every time I quote something means
3:12:32that's my whole belief system. It's I'm
3:12:33saying according to you.
3:12:34>> And at the end of John, it says that he
3:12:36had done so many things. If we were to
3:12:38fill up all the what he did, it would
3:12:39fill up the whole world. Right? So from
3:12:41this perspective, is it possible that
3:12:43there were instances where he made
3:12:44corrections and explanations and things
3:12:45like this? So this is my point that
3:12:47>> but no, I can't tell you why. Because
3:12:49the same John John 5:45-47 John 5:39-4
3:12:53he says you diligently study scriptures
3:12:55thinking by them you have eternal life
3:12:56but these are the scriptures that bear
3:12:58witness of me but you refuse to come to
3:13:00me that I may give you life do not think
3:13:02I'll accuse you before the father
3:13:03there's one who's your accuser Moses
3:13:05because if you believe Moses you'd
3:13:07believe me because he wrote about me
3:13:08nothing about corruption
3:13:10>> amen there we [laughter] and God have
3:13:12mercy on all of us

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