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0:00Just going to leave me here alone. Oh, we got some people joining. Bella,
0:04look. Got people. Got people looking at us. Say hi. August 18. So, Chris,
0:12it's your house. You can go inside with us if you'd like or you could stay out here. It
0:16doesn't matter to us. Doesn't matter. I mean, free rain. Just whatever you got to do. Okay. Like,
0:23I can chill on the decks on the side of the sun, but Okay. Cool. All right. Whatever you'd like.
0:32How long have you guys been married? So, we've been together 8 years. Married six this year.
0:37Okay. And this is very unusual behavior. Yeah. Let me get that dog out of here. Okay. She's going to
0:43flip. If this stillness holds you, a quiet gesture helps sustain these long form investigations.
0:51Taking a moment to let Why did you kill your wife and children? allows stories like this to
0:56be examined with the time and care they demand, bringing hidden truths into focus, one layer at
1:03a time. Pops. Tell them you love them. You're welcome. We love you. They love you. Candy. Oh,
1:11yeah. We're That's in here. Oh, that was No, the doorbell. Is that a ring doorbell? Like when it
1:19when you got a visitor, it does. And but I don't think the speaker is on to where you hear it like
1:25if I Okay. My question I guess my question for you is would it show her leaving with the kids? Did
1:30you have any alert came out this if she came out here? Yes. Like if did you have any alerts today
1:35with that? Just when her friends were here. Does it only record when the doorbell rings or anytime
1:40someone if you're like right here? It should just start the proximity should hit up. Okay. Anybody
1:48had any anything on that today? Just her friends. And what time was that? 12:10 and 10 2 minutes
1:55afternoon. Okay. But nothing between the time when she got here. No, like she got here at 2:00. Only
2:02thing Yeah. 2 2:00 this morning, like 1:48 on here. And the only thing that was weird was that
2:09the garage door set as left open after I left. And it might have been the sensor, but like my
2:15phone doesn't show when it when it for your alarm. Yeah. It doesn't show if it shuts. And who's your
2:19lawn through? Vivid. Okay. But the Nikki, her friend that was that came here about 12:10. She
2:25said the garage door was shut when she got here. Okay. That was the only thing that was weird. All
2:29right. Were you going to hang out out there or you want to come in here? I'll stay right here. Okay.
2:36I just want them back. I just I just want them to come back. And if if they're not safe right now,
2:43that's what's that's what's tearing me apart. Cuz if they are safe,
2:47they're coming back. But if they're not, this this this has got to stop.
2:50Like somebody has to come forward. I don't want to be in it. Are you okay? Get lower
3:05of trust with respect to the victim in violation of Colorado Revised Statutes 18-3-102 subsection
3:131 subsection F. Do you understand? Yes, sir. Count five alleges murder in the first degree
3:20of class one felony. It alleges that between and including August 12th, 2018 and August 13th, 2018,
3:30Christopher Lee Watts unlawfully, feloniously, and knowingly cause a death of Celeste Watts,
3:36a child who had not yet attained 12 years of age and the defendant was in a position of trust with
3:42respect to the victim in violation of Colorado Revised Statutes 18-3-102 subsection 1 subsection
3:51F. Do you understand? Yes, sir. With regard to these first five counts,
3:56the minimum sentence that the court could impose if convicted is life
4:02uh imprisonment in the Colorado Department of Corrections and the maximum death,
4:06the sentence is death. Do you understand? Let me also point out that pursuant to uh
4:13rule 32.1 of the rules of criminal procedure, CeCe, play patty cake on daddy's head. Yeah,
4:20she's gripping it right now. CeCe, play patty. Kick a daddy's head. Go whack it daddy.
4:30Don't do that, Cece. Don't do it. Someone's got
4:40like a daddy. Don't spit. Don't spit on daddy, please. Oh, that's a shower.
4:57Careful, Bella. Don't fall. Okay. Whack it. Daddy.
5:02Whack it. Daddy. One more time. Daddy. Whack it. Daddy. Whack.
5:12objectively say that this is perhaps the most uh inhumane and vicious crime that I
5:23have handled out of the thousands of cases that I have seen and nothing less than a maximum sentence
5:34um would be appropriate and anything less than the maximum sentence would depreciate the seriousness
5:41of this offense. Deputies, I would respectfully ask that you take this defendant into custody
5:48and have him serve the rest of his life in the Department of Corrections. We are in recess.
6:01Girls,
6:04you want chocolate? No chocolate. chocolate. If you want chocolate, you just get this bowl.
6:13Bigger one. We're going to go. Um, I love you, too.
6:23This is the morning. This is why I love that I thrive. I'm Cindy Watts. Watson. Thank you. I
6:31have authorized you to make a statement to the court as paternal grandparents
6:38uh of the children. Uh and if you choose not to make a statement but your design,
6:44Miss Powers, chooses to, she can do so as well. How would you like to proceed today?
6:51Start. I want you to start. Who's going to be speaking today? Your honor,
6:55initially um they've asked me and they're hoping that they have the strength to speak,
6:59but if they do not, they've written out their statements and asked me to finish for them. So,
7:04that would be fine. Who would like to go first? If I could start, your honor. On behalf of the Watts,
7:10your honor, and to the community, we thank you for the opportunity and the recognition under
7:16the victim bill of rights. We come today as the grandparents and the parent of the daughter and
7:25children whose life was taken in this case. We are not here to ask for leniency. We are not in
7:32any way condoning or tolerating the the crime that has occurred and the pain that has been caused.
7:41We join in our daughter-in-law and grandchildren's family in saying this should never have happened.
7:50This is not condonable. This is something that we will never get over. We appreciate
7:59the consideration that everyone has paid, most especially the families that have lost everyone.
8:08We appreciate that they begged for Christopher's life. We agree and echo what they have said that
8:17it is not his place to take anyone's life, nor would it be our place as a community to take
8:23his life. So, we thank you for the opportunity and for every consideration and effort that's
8:30been put out. The prosecution in this case has in fact respected the victim bill of rights.
8:36They took the time to explain that the information that my clients had at the time that
8:42they were interviewed was not correct. They were misinformed. They were searching for answers. They
8:49were not intending to cause any pain to anyone. And they appreciate that the prosecution answered
8:55their questions and gave them the time and the respect and the consideration so that they could
9:01tell this court and everyone in this community that the interview content was not their message.
9:08That they accept that their son has done this, that they accept that he chose to plead guilty,
9:15that he sought and requested their consent and agreement for a life sentence. They appreciate
9:23that he is given the opportunity to serve that life sentence. It is his responsibility. It
9:29is his sentence and it is not enough to make up for what has done. We understand and we join the
9:38family in that we have questions. We don't know how such a thing could possibly happen or that a
9:43man that was responsible for raising his children and protecting his wife would take the steps that
9:48he did and that he would disregard their bodies and the love that he had for them and they had
9:54for him and everyone else and take the gestures and put this community through the investigation
10:00and the discovery and the responsibility of bringing justice. We do not understand that. We
10:06do not think it was appropriate. We cannot begin to think that an explanation will ever justify
10:12it. My clients indicate that they understand that a full opportunity for a confession with
10:21all of the responsibility and accountability has not occurred. and they support the family
10:26and the request that that happen if not today at an appropriate time in an appropriate manner
10:33so that everyone can have peace to understand to the best of their ability the details that they
10:39need and to have their questions answered. And by giving this opportunity of a life sentence,
10:45we hope that he embraces that moment. That had the death penalty been pursued, there would not
10:52have been an opportunity to be accountable and to give a full confession. And had the death penalty
10:57been sought, council would have fought for his life. The prosecutors would have been engaged
11:03in a multipleear battle. The families would have been torn apart. This community would have had
11:08to subsidize it and endure it. And we have so much respect and gratefulness that that did not happen.
11:17We would strongly encourage Christopher Watts to give that full confession in the tone and in
11:22the timing that he thinks is appropriate with the guidance of his council. We feel that it would be
11:27appropriate and helpful to ease the pain and the suffering. But we also say we don't think that
11:34there's anything that he can say that will ever account for his behavior. There's nothing that
11:41can be done to cure the harm he has caused. And he has the responsibility to serve his sentence with
11:50dignity and with regard for everyone and to spend every breath that he has left in an atonement for
11:58what he has done. Yes. If I could just have you state your name for the record. Cindy Watts. Thank
12:06you. My name is Cindy Watts. I am the grandmother of two beautiful granddaughters, Bella Marie,
12:13Celeste Katherine Watts. I am also the mother of Christopher Watts, who I will be directing
12:20most of my statement to. First, I'd like to begin by recognizing the absolute horror of this crime
12:27and acknowledging the devastating loss that both the Ruse family as well as our family have faced.
12:33Our families have been irreparably broken by the needless deaths of Shannan, Bella, Cece, and Nico.
12:42This is something we will never get over. We will always mourn the loss of our family, and in that
12:49we are united in our grief. I am still struggling to understand how and why this tragedy occurred.
12:58I may never be able to understand and accept it, but I pray for peace and healing for all of us.
13:06Now to my son Christopher, I have known you since the day you were born into this world. I have
13:14watched you grow from a quiet and sweet curious child who Bella reminded me so much of to a young
13:24man who worked hard in sports and later mechanics to achieve your goals. You are a good friend,
13:32brother, father, and son. You have we have loved you from the beginning and we still love you now.
13:45This might be hard for some to understand how I can sit here under these circumstances and
13:52tell you although we are heartbroken, although we can't imagine what could have led us to this day,
13:59but we love you. Maybe you can't believe it either. As the Lord said in Jeremiah 3:31,
14:09"I have loved you with an everlasting love. Therefore, I have continued my
14:15faithfulness to you and you." As your mother, Chris, I have always loved you,
14:21and I still do. I hate what has happened. Your father and sister and I are struggling
14:26to understand why. But we will remain faithful as your family just as God remains faithful
14:34because of his unconditional love for all for us all. We love you and we forgive you.
14:48Thank you. Judge, if I could read Mr. Watt's statement. Yes. My name is Ronnie Watts and
14:55I am the grandfather of Bella Celeste Nico Watts and I am the father of Shannon. I am the father
15:04of Christopher Watts as well. And one of the most important things I've done in my life is to raise
15:10my children and to watch as they started their own families. I spent many years coaching little
15:17league and talking to my son, taking him to the races and sharing my love and knowledge of cars
15:24with him. He was just as involved with his girls. I believe he loves his girls. I know he does.
15:33This tragedy has impacted my family in so many ways. Beyond losing our precious grandchildren,
15:40our beloved daughter-in-law, we are forced to question everything. We still don't have all
15:46the answers. And I hope one day, Christopher, you can help us. Chris, I want to talk to you
15:55as a father and son. You are here today accepting responsibility, but I want to tell you this now.
16:07I love you. Nothing will ever change that. And I want you to find peace. And today is your first
16:15step. The Bible says, "If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just and will forgive us." Chris,
16:26I forgive you and your sister forgives you and we will never abandon you and we love you. Dad.
16:36Judge, thank you for the opportunity to address the court.
16:43I don't want him to really go in the ocean. Ocean. I mean, my turn. Ready, set, go.
16:55Ready, set, go.
17:00The pool opens in two weeks, too.
17:06What's the degrees today? 85 the last I checked. 120. No. Cece. Yeah. CeCe girl. Oh god. Oh my
17:19gosh. Are you kidding? She can she can climb that fast. Your honor, there are no words to adequately
17:26describe the unimaginable tragedy that brings us before this court today. By my comments, I'm not
17:33even going to try to express the horror, the pain, or the suffering that the defendant has caused to
17:39these families, to this community, and to all who were a part of this investigation. However,
17:44I do want to spend a few minutes sharing with the court the details of the crime,
17:49as so far, you've only had an opportunity to review the affidavit and a few facts here and
17:53there that have been offered to the court in the motions and pleadings that have been filed.
17:59The questions that have screamed out to anyone who will listen since August 13th of 2018 are
18:05why and how. Why did this have to happen? How could a seemingly normal husband and father
18:12annihilate his entire family for what? These are the questions that only one individual
18:19in this courtroom or on this planet knows the answers to. I fully expect we will not receive
18:25the answers to these questions today. nor will we at any point in the future. I don't
18:31expect that he will ever tell the truth about what truly happened or why. Even if he did,
18:37there is no rational way that any human being could find those answers, acceptable responses
18:43to such horrific questions. The best we can do is try to piece together some kind of understanding
18:48from the evidence that is available to us. And the evidence tells us this. The defendant coldly
18:54and deliberately ended four lives, not in a fit of rage, not by way of accident, but in a calculated
19:02and sickening manner. Shannan was 34 years old. She had married the defendant in November of 2012.
19:11Over the weekend leading up to August 13th, she had been at a work conference in Phoenix, Arizona,
19:15and uh returned home in the early morning hours of August 13th. We know that she got home about
19:211:45 in the morning. The doorbell camera on their home shows her arriving back home uh from the
19:27airport. Shortly thereafter, at least according to the defendant, they had a what he referred to
19:33as an emotional conversation about the state of their marriage and about what their lives would
19:38look like going forward. What was said during that emotional conversation, only he knows. What we do
19:46know is that shortly after that, the defendant strangled her to death with his own hands.
19:55We know that he slowly took her life the morning of August 13th. We know that this was not done in
20:02an uncontrolled, vengeful manner that he tried to describe to agents from CBI and the FBI.
20:08If that were the case, you would expect to see vicious, horrible bruising about her neck,
20:14shoulders, and face. You would expect to see the highway bone in her neck broken. You would expect
20:20to see some kind of defensive wounds on his body as she struggled and fought for her own life. None
20:28of those are present. The only injuries that were on Shannan's body were one set of finger
20:35uh or bruising, what appeared to be fingernail or finger mark bruising to the right side of her
20:40neck. We know that our experts will tell us that it takes two to four minutes to strangle someone
20:47to death manually with their own hands. The horror that she felt as the man that she loved
20:52wrapped his hands around her throat and choked the life out of her must have been unimaginable.
21:01Even worse, what must Bella, age four, and Celeste, age three, must have experienced
21:08or thought as their father, the one man on this planet who was supposed to nurture and protect
21:13them, was snuffing out their lives. They both died from smothering. Let me say that again.
21:24The man seated to my right smothered his daughters.
21:30Why? Imagine the horror in Bella's mind as her father took her last last breaths
21:37away. Your honor, understand very clearly. Bella fought back for her life. The frenulum,
21:46the connective tissue between her upper lip and her gum, had an inch and a half, excuse me,
21:51a centimeter and a half laceration. She bit her tongue multiple times before she died. She fought
22:01back for her life as her father smothered her. Celeste had no such injuries. In fact, she had
22:11no external injuries at all. But according to the medical examiner, she was smothered nonetheless.
22:20The defendant then methodically and calmly loaded their bodies into his work truck, not in a hasty
22:28hasty or disorganized way. He was seen from the neighbor's doorbell camera backing his truck into
22:35the driveway, going back and forth into the house, and back out to the truck three different times.
22:43one time for each of their bodies. He then drove them away from their family home one final time,
22:51intent on hiding any evidence of the crimes that he had just committed. In one final sign
22:58of callousness for his wife, his daughters, and their unborn son and their remains,
23:04he drove them to a location that he thought no one would ever find them,
23:08to one of the oil tank batteries with which he was so familiar. He knew this was safe. He had
23:14texted a coworker the night before saying, "I'll head out to that site. I'll take care of it."
23:21He had carefully ensured that he would be alone in the middle of the plains to secrete away the
23:26remains of his family in a place that he hoped they would never be found. In one final measure
23:33of disrespect for the family he once had, he ensured that they would not be together even
23:38in death. or he so he thought. He disposed of them in different locations. He buried Chenan
23:46and Nico in a shallow grave away from the oil tanks. Bella and Celeste were thrown away in
23:53the oil tanks at this facility. Different tanks so these little girls wouldn't be together in death.
24:01Imagine this, your honor. This defendant took those little girls
24:07and put them through a hatch at the top of an oil tank 8 in in diameter.
24:15Bella had scratches on her left buttocks from being shoved through this hole. A
24:21tuft of blonde hair was found on the edge of one of these hatches.
24:25The defendant told investigators that Bella's tank seemed emptier
24:29than CC's because of the sound that the splashes made. These were his daughters.
24:38Significantly, when his co-workers arrived at the tank battery later that morning,
24:42to a person, they all described him as acting completely normally. It was a normal workday,
24:48even while his daughter sank in the oil and water not far away from him.
24:53And then his efforts at deception truly began. We've all seen the emotionless interviews that
25:00the defendant gives to the local media asking for help in locating his family. We watched as
25:07he claimed that the house was empty without them and that he hoped that they were somewhere safe
25:11and that he just wanted them to come home. He told investigators that they were at home sleeping when
25:17he left for work that morning and that Shannan had told him that he was she was taking the
25:22girls to a friend's house for the day. What is striking about this case, your honor, beyond the
25:28horrors that I've already described to you, is the number of collateral victims that he created
25:33by his actions. While he stood in front of TV cameras asking for the safe return of his family,
25:39scores of law enforcement officers, neighbors, friends, and family scoured the area, fredded for
25:47their safe return. They texted him, begging for any information and sending him their best wishes.
25:53All the while, he hid what he had done. The list of indirect victims does not end there. Think of
25:59the firefighters in the Colorado State Patrol hazmat experts who had to dawn protective suits
26:05and who were called upon to pull Bella and Celeste out of those oil tanks or the coroner employees
26:12who had to conduct these autopsies or the victim assistants who frank frantically attempted to ease
26:18the suffering of those affected. All of this, your honor, for what? Why? Why did this have to happen?
26:27His motive was simple, your honor. He had a desire for a fresh start, to begin a relationship with a
26:35new love that overpowered all decency and feelings for his wife, his daughters, and unborn son. While
26:42Shannan texted the defendant over and over again in the days and weeks leading up to her death,
26:47attempting to save her marriage, the defendant secreted pictures of his girlfriend into his
26:52phone and searched and texted, excuse me, texted her at all hours of the night. While Shannan sent
26:59the defendant self, self-help and relationship counseling books, one of which, ironically enough,
27:05was thrown in the garbage. He was searching the internet for secluded vacation spots to take his
27:11new love in researching jewelry. And while Shannan took the girls to visit family in North Carolina,
27:17the defendant went to car museums and the sand dunes with his new girlfriend. The stark contrast
27:24between the subjects of their internet and text content is absolutely stunning. Even the morning
27:31after he killed them and disposed of their bodies, he made several phone calls. One was to the school
27:39where the girls were supposed to start, telling the school that he would that the girls would not
27:44be coming to school anymore, that they were being unenrolled, presumably to give him some more time
27:49before law law enforcement notification about them going missing. He contacted a realtor to
27:58start discussing the selling of his house and he texted with his girlfriend about their future.
28:06None of this answers the questions of why. However, if he was this happy and wanted a
28:11new start, get a divorce. You don't annihilate your family and throw them away like garbage.
28:19Why did Nico, Celeste, Bella, and Shannan have to lose their lives in order for him to get
28:25what he wanted? Your honor, Justice demands the maximum sentence under the agreement reached by
28:30the parties. As you will recall, the agreement calls for life sentences as to Shannan, Bella,
28:36and Celeste, and all of those to run consecutively to one another. It also calls for the count of
28:42unlawful termination of a pregnancy as to Nico to run consecutively to counts one, two, and three.
28:50I would suggest that the extreme aggravation present in the defendant's conduct and in
28:55his the efforts that I have described mandate that the sentences for counts 7, 8, and nine,
29:00the tampering with a deceased human body, each be the maximum of 12 years and that those sentences
29:05run consecutively to one another. It is very clear that each of these acts, excuse me, that these
29:11were not the subject of one act, but each oil tank that he walked up with his daughter's bodies and
29:17the hole that he dug for his wife and unborn son mandate a mandatory consecutive sentence.
29:25It's been alluded to this morning, but the defendant was certainly eligible
29:29for the death penalty in this case under the existing law in the state of Colorado.
29:34As you heard, Shannan's family strongly opposed my office seeking the death penalty and being
29:39bound to the crim criminal justice system for the next several decades. That's in large part,
29:44as you've heard, why we have reached the agreement that we have. Four lives were
29:49lost at the hands of the defendant on August 13th for reasons that we will never fully understand,
29:54nor will we know. In the end, the Rusk family was much more merciful towards him than he was
30:01towards his wife, his daughters, and his unborn son. Prison for the remainder of
30:07his life is exactly where he belongs for murdering his entire family. Thank you.
30:16Hey guys, good morning. Or I know for Colorado people it's good morning,
30:22good afternoon for everybody else. I wanted to come here live because today is the big day for
30:27the huge our cocktail party is tonight where product X is going to be released. We're super
30:34excited. We're heading to the pool right now and then we have a massage today paid for by Lavel
30:43um today at 3:30. So Chris and I are super excited. So, we're going to get a massage
30:49after we lay by the pool for a little bit and maybe go to the beach again and then
30:53we're going to go to the cocktail party and we will be live there tonight. Um,
31:04I'd like to say to the courts that
31:09Shannon, Bella, and Nico love and caring people. They love life. They love being
31:16around people who love them. They also they always had good times. This is the first time
31:25they went to the beach this year and they loved it. But God only knows what happened
31:32that night. Life will never be the same without Shannon Bell and Celeste and Nico
31:41had all their lives to live. They were taken by a heartless one. This is the heartless one. The evil
31:50monster who dare you take the lives of my daughter Shannon, Bella, Celeste, and Nico. I trusted you
31:57to take care of them, not kill them. And they also trusted you, the heartless monster. And then you
32:06take them out like trash. You disgust me. They were loving and caring people. You may have taken
32:16their bodies from me, but you will never take the love they had from me. They loved us more than you
32:24will ever know. Because you know what love You don't know what love is. Because if you did, you
32:31would not have killed them. You monster thought you would get away with this. I don't know how.
32:39The cameras do not lie. You carry them out like trash of the house. Yes, I seen the videotape.
32:51You buried my my daughter Shannon and and Nico in a shallow grave and then you put Bella and Celeste
32:57in huge containers of crude oil. You heartless monster. You have you have to live with this
33:06vision every day of your life. And I hope you see that every time you close your eyes at night. Oh,
33:12I forgot. You have no heart or feelings or love. Let me tell you something. I will think of them
33:18every day of my life. And I love them every day of my life. Prison is too good for you. This This is
33:27hard to say, but may God have mercy on your soul. I hope you enjoy your new life. It's nothing like
33:33the one you had out here. May the courts have no mercy on you. It's hard every day. It hurts
33:40in so many ways. I have read heard people say that you're not a monster. No, you are not.
33:48You're an evil monster. Thank you. Love you, Shannon Bell and Nico. Love you, Papa and Deb.
33:57And one other thing and Shannon says she is super excited for justice today. Thank you. Thank you.
34:19We are live at the cocktail party. Can't tell, but this place is packed.
34:27There is so many um I can't get close if I lose signal any if I step one foot forward
34:33and I lose signal. There's thousands of people here. Like seriously, a lot of people earned
34:39this trip to be here. Absolutely positively amazing. I don't think I can go live tonight,
34:46but I will definitely record some stuff and post it here shortly. I'm going to still try
34:50my best to go live, you guys. Everyone needs to deserve this. Everyone, absolutely everyone,
35:01tell them how much fun it is. It is amazing. This place is nuts. It is phenomenal. We're going to
35:11go have some fun. Um, get to hear what's coming out. It's absolutely exciting. Um,
35:19we're super excited. Um, we'll be back here live uh shortly, guys. Love you. Right here is good.
35:30Okay. All right. I'll be right back. All right. Just going to get Tammy
35:34so she can introduce herself. All right. Okay. Be right back.
36:19You all right? Yeah. These rooms are recorded. Okay. So, Angie is saying here's subject to
36:27recording, just so you know. Okay. And you said on your text that you might have remembered some
36:31more stuff. Yeah. So, let's do your phones first. Um, I need to They gave me a piece of paper to
36:37transfer my contacts. Wouldn't do it for me, but you should be able to just put them on the iCloud.
36:43I don't know how to do this. They said to follow this app. I can't even find the app store on this
36:52phone. Is it Android? Yeah. So strange. I um I tried to transfer all the stuff from this phone
37:04to this phone last night and started syncing up like old text like stuff I don't even have
37:09saved in here. Any of them from Chris? Yeah, a few. But not many. It's pretty short. There's
37:15like 10 or 12 and there's like a few from those days but most of it is Hi. Hello. Tammy to meet
37:24you there. I'm Stacy Galbra. Nice to meet you. How are you doing? All right. Getting through
37:31it. Trying. Yeah. Stressing out. Stressing out. Yeah. You look stressed out. Did you
37:38get some therapy figured out? I'm waiting for you guys to get back to me on that, but I'm trying.
37:45help. Yeah. Does Hazel need to Yeah, we're going to see if Hazel comes in. We're So,
37:50W County is just I had to write a letter yesterday for W County to approve uh to
37:56pay for her treatment. Oh. And then it's got to go through a board because it's kind of unusual.
38:02Yeah. Since she's not an eyewitness, right? But, uh it sounded like there was not going to be any
38:07opposition to it. It's just a process. Yeah. So, Okay. So, when you go through the text messages,
38:13Tammy and probably Stacy will be there. Okay. So, you guys know each other. Um or if they reach out
38:18to you, you know that they're not the media. Yeah. Can you guys give me your cards? I got you. Okay.
38:24I just now with this new phone, it's like I got so many numbers that I I'm sure I can. I need to
38:30just deal with that. Like, if you guys can help me get all of my contacts from this phone, so I can
38:34get a tech guy maybe to help help me cuz I'm not gave me instructions. This is your old phone. This
38:41is the one that I use for communication. This is the one that's going to be good. This one's mine
38:45now. This is nicer. I know iPhones suck. I'm kind of relieved to have this back. Okay. So,
38:51you're going to you want to move contacts from there to there. That's all I want to do. Once
38:54you guys do that, then you guys can have this phone. I mean, he gave me a way to do it. So,
38:59I think I need to connect to Wi-Fi and then I need to download this app. And then I think once
39:05I download it, I can sync it up. And I need to just download the app on both phones. So,
39:11let me get a guy who knows about Wi-Fi. Is your password still 653038? Yeah, that hasn't changed.
39:19So, that's going to be that one. And which which one is getting all the new text messages? Your
39:24new phone? Mhm. I only got a few and they're like now I get what you're saying like they're out of
39:28order. They're scrambled. They're missing. They don't make sense. I got super excited when I saw
39:34them cuz I was like maybe it'll be all of them but it's not. So maybe what I'll ask we have a device
39:41that maybe we can download that too. This one too. Sorry. I mean I don't know if that'll work but we
39:45can try it. Here's mine for Thank you. And then Kevin knows how to get a hold of us after hours
39:51in that too. I appreciate that. I'll be right back. Okay. Oh, okay. Are you giving her a spare
39:59phone? She has her own spare phone, but when she linked her accounts, a bunch of messages between
40:04her and Chris were recovered on her new phone. Okay. So, I'm going to have to probably just
40:08celebrate right now. Oh, okay. On our new phone, so we don't have to take all our phones. Yeah.
40:13No doubt. Are you good in here for a bit? Okay. You want some water or anything, please? Okay.
40:24Okay. So app store
40:59Okay.
41:21water. Thank you. Appreciate. Anything else? Okay. So,
41:24be here in just a few minutes. Okay. Thank you.
42:25Yeah.
45:06[ __ ] [ __ ] It's just so much [ __ ] [ __ ]
46:53Come out of there.
47:35What the [ __ ]
48:00All right. Tech guys coming to help us. I just I would do it myself, but it's like there's so
48:07many different knots. I haven't used this phone in years. Like right now my So it's not very new.
48:12This is old. Okay. I haven't used this since like 2016. And so all these numbers on here
48:20are numbers of people I've gotten since then. What I don't want is with like the media and all this
48:25other stuff going on is have a phone just full of unknown contact. Sure, I get it. So he's going to
48:31come over and turn your Wi-Fi on and figure out how to move. He knows. Okay, I'm about to do that.
48:37I give up. Okay, so your phone this time. Do you have any objections to us looking at everything
48:46in your phone? Why do you even need that? I'm just curious like why do you need everything as opposed
48:51to just stuff? Well, because it's easier to get it. And when if we're looking at all the material,
49:00let's say I take everything off your phone, I can put a date in like let's say August 10th through
49:05the 15th because those are critical days. Uh-huh. But other conversations between you and Chris or
49:11other text messages between you and Chris from um June or July, then it makes it harder for me
49:18to find all those. Do you understand what I mean? It's easier for them to just take everything. I
49:23don't know. Are they? Yeah. I mean, except for when I first met him and it was his APC thing.
49:28Okay. And then what about u your phone? It's always his 900 number. Number all the time,
49:36right? like it's always that one or originally was this. We talked about your GPS uh location like
49:43knowing where your phone is at certain times. I think you guys can have all that. I just was like,
49:47"Oh my god, I have so many texts on here between me and all my friends." I'm like, "Do I really
49:51want all this stuff?" Well, is there anything in those texts that you'd be concerned with? Not
49:56really. So, well, not really or yes or no? No. I mean like I the other day my dad and I decided to
50:03do some damage control cuz a lot of people were like hey call me I don't know what to say and I
50:07just told them all like I didn't say anything. I pretty much just said mediators contact you tell
50:13them no comment. I was like please be nice to them like you do not need to talk to them. It
50:19was like I'm safe. I'm not in trouble. Breaking laws and I was just like just send your love and
50:24support and that was all I said to people. So, did that prompt all the phone calls of people going,
50:29"Are you okay?" They were prompting me. That is why I did that because I didn't
50:34even want to like say that, but I was getting all sorts of texts from people that were like,
50:39"Me is trying to contact me. I don't know what to do." I didn't tell them that I was a witness.
50:44I didn't tell them anything about that. It was just like, "Just say no comment. I need you to
50:50do this." Okay? And then a couple of my like super super close friends, I asked them if they would be
50:55courteous enough to take all the pictures that we had of each other off Facebook and social media
50:59and they said yes. And that was like a couple of really close friends. Is there any text messages
51:05between you and friends that reference anything that would be concerning regarding this case?
51:12No. Like talking about Chris. I think you've told me that you've never even really talked with my
51:17friends about him. No. And like my friend's dad died last night, like yesterday. I'm not worried
51:22about that. No, I know. But she started like, oh my god, she was really drunk last night. She
51:28started like freaking out. She's like, I don't know what's going on in your life. She's like,
51:32I don't know if it pertains to this case. And she like just sent me like a screenshot of a
51:36news article of that case. And she was just like, she's like, "What about conversations?" Remember,
51:42I I didn't mention that it had anything to do with that. She's like, "I don't know if that's what
51:46it is. he works today in the dark ghost. She's like, I really don't give a [ __ ] She's like,
51:50I just really need you to be here with me and my dad and this and this and this. And she was
51:55just kind of upset because I had asked her um the police say no comment to the media and it happened
52:01to be like right when her dad died and I think she was feeling a little like Yeah. But I mean you
52:07guys can read this. There's nothing in there of me actually saying anything about it. I just told
52:12What's your phone number on that phone? 720. It's the same phone number that's on this one. 6569605.
52:19So, no, I mean you guys can you guys can listen. So, between there was a conversation that I asked
52:25you about between you and Charlotte, too. That's the same girl. That's the same girl who's freaking
52:29out. So, was there ever a conversation about kids with you and Charlotte? Like you I can't remember
52:36the exact context, but you guys were talking hanging out with a guy who had kids. Okay. And
52:42um she has not even like Wait. All right. So, your conversation about him having kids, how did that
52:49go? I mean, I don't know. I just told her uh Is it still Did you delete that or is it still No,
52:56I don't I have no reason to delete anything else in my phone. And the reason I deleted all this
53:00stuff with Chris is because he was making me feel really uncomfortable and I didn't want to see it
53:06in my phone anymore. Okay. Um yeah, let me scroll all the way back here. I'm hearing this girl talk
53:12a lot. No, she is like So, let's just while we're here because we talked about this before,
53:19but we didn't talk about the specific context of what that message said regarding the children.
53:24So, obviously in the situation that we're looking at now with
53:30uh the death of two children and all the other circumstantial stuff going around in the case,
53:36you I just want to make sure there was no comments ever made by you regarding,
53:40you know, children or dislike of children or love children. Either way,
53:46you you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I guess let me find it. Uh, I think this is going to start.
54:01You guys can just take whatever you want out of there. So, it it's easier for me to just
54:08take everything than it is to single it out. Plus for the purposes of this case, the less exposure,
54:17you know, we already have uh initially you drew concern from me when you told me you
54:24deleted everything from Chris. I've already told you that. You understand why? There's
54:30no question as to why that might cause concern. So, if there's anything else that ever comes up,
54:34I have it and then we can just discuss it. Do you understand what I mean? All right.
54:44It's right here. This is where it starts. She starts
54:54right there. She starts talking about her and her fiance. So, that was like weeks ago.
55:14and she hasn't brought it up since really or like connected the dots or
55:18like said [ __ ] I mean, you guys can look through all those texts
55:33and I don't know when that was. That was definitely when things
55:36were going good. So, this is like weeks prior,
55:40I'm assuming. I think the date is at the top of whenever we started texting that day.
55:46folks. This is we talk a lot. August 7th. Yeah. So, I reference everything to Sunday the 12th.
56:05So, that's the only conversation like that on there I believe on my phone. I don't think there's
56:09like anything else. And she even last night like still wasn't even she's so worried, dude.
56:46Other than that, there shouldn't really be anything on with other people, but you guys
56:51can just pull everything off that porn if you want. As long as you're okay with that,
56:54that's would be I mean, if that makes your life easier. Okay, it's not just about making
56:58it easier. It's just less. So, if there's any question, like I told you before, some like the
57:06two girls you just met did a lot of interviews in this case. They've done a lot of work. They
57:09may know things that I don't. There's no way we can all know everything. So, they might go,
57:14"Oh, because somebody else is the one who told me about Charlotte um and this message." So,
57:19I've never read this. probably why potentially I'm I'm assuming that that's what that is
57:27cuz I said his name and I don't even think she's put two and two together
57:32because last night it was just like the way she was talking she wasn't like this
57:35is him this is it was like I don't know what's going on I just assume this is it
57:41cuz this guy worked in Hannah Darko but she is not even like processing
57:52What?
58:04What do you mean by can tell he has a lot to take care of in life? What did you mean when
58:09you said that? He has a mortgage and he has kids. Okay. Responsibilities. I mean, he's a
58:18Father of the house.
58:29You're even saying in here he's all about his kids. Yeah. And she was like asking me
58:36somewhere in there like I mean everything I had to say about him at that point was like
58:42really positive. Like I think I made it clear that I wasn't like 100% sure this was like the
58:49man of my dreams and I was going to spend the rest of my life with him or anything,
58:53but I was enjoying the time that I was spending with him at that point.
59:02You're referencing that he has two kids and then you don't like that
59:08um because you want to have that experience with somebody else. Is that what I just said?
59:13I wasn't sure if he was the one that I want to be with cuz he had already like
59:17done everything. Okay. Like I was like it would be really nice to kind of like
59:24have kids and have my own marriage and all of that stuff. That was never anything I compared to him.
59:46So, she said, you said he's handsome, huh? Did you send her a picture? Mhm.
59:51And that's not attached here. Is that because what you do you think from what
59:56you deleted? I think it's from when I deleted all my photos of his stuff.
1:00:09He's kind of short.
1:00:14I mean, I talk to her in a way that I wouldn't like talk to him. It's like my
1:00:17girl. You know what I'm saying? I get it. No, I'm just I'm just teasing you a little bit.
1:00:57So now you're just talking about shoes and other stuff. Okay. But then she brought it
1:01:03up again last night, but she didn't brought up what case. But she didn't like connect
1:01:09the dots. She was like freaking out like her dad just died and she was really upset. She
1:01:16wanted me to come see her on Saturday because it's his way. So unexpected kind of sort of.
1:01:22He had Parkinson's. So kind of but not you know what I'm saying? It was very drawn out thing. Um
1:01:30but she's having a really hard time with it. I knew she would. And she just like she was like
1:01:34can you be at the wake on Saturday? And I was like, I'm really hesitant to leave the house.
1:01:38And I didn't tell her that, but I was like, I don't know. I'm I'll try and I'm going to go,
1:01:44but I'm not going to tell her until it's like right before I have to be there. And she So,
1:01:48what does she reference? Just Chris the guy. I'm I'm more interested. No, she didn't even ask me if
1:01:54she was just like She's like, I don't know what's going on. She's like, you can see it. you. So,
1:02:03you mentioned on your text before you were coming that there was other information that you thought
1:02:08of that was important again. Yeah. Yeah. When we get so sidetracked, I'll look at this when you do
1:02:17that and then I'll show you where it is. Watching here like I will just say you guys talk a lot. Oh,
1:02:23yeah. She is like my right here. So, first she sends me this and she's not even asking me about
1:02:29him. She's saying he looks like her ex. That's when she first brings him up. She doesn't even
1:02:35mention me at that point. I don't even think she realizes it's the same guy. Like legitimately,
1:02:43I think this girl is so wrapped up in all the stuff that she's got going on right now that
1:02:47I don't think it's even processing. I mean, you can just tell by the way that she like
1:02:55talks.
1:02:59See, she's all upset cuz I asked her to not talk to the media and it happened to
1:03:04be the day that her dad died. And I'm sitting here trying to comfort
1:03:06her. Is this your best friend? Yes. This girl is like my whole world. All right.
1:03:19But you're not talking about children or your relationship with Chris or anything like that? No.
1:03:24The only time I ever mentioned him was like that one day. And I didn't even remember that I even
1:03:29had like said that to her cuz I just What's her phone number? Um 720 425 7330. So I'm not going to
1:03:40call her, but at some point you might want to talk to her. Just so you know. I mean sooner or later
1:03:46she's going to connect the dots. Or you're going to tell her, right? If she's your best friend.
1:03:50I'm not going to tell her. If she figures it out, she figures it out. Okay. Um, if we were going to
1:03:58talk to her, I'd let you know beforehand. Is that fair? Yeah. Just so I can give her a heads up. And
1:04:03she apologized to me cuz she was being kind of crazy last. She was. So, tell me about the new
1:04:10info that you remember. Okay. Um, see right here. Hold on. She says, "Look, man. I know you worked
1:04:19at Anadarko. He did too. I know he murdered his wife and kids. I know he was a dog. I know you're
1:04:24my best friend. I know you have a good heart. I know that you guys that guy needs to go to jail
1:04:28and he will. I know you don't want publicity and neither would I. I know that as a witness,
1:04:33if you say anything, it can cause a mistrial. I know you don't want that. Neither do I. [ __ ]
1:04:38the media. I want my best friend here. I never [ __ ] said anything to her about a trial. Okay,
1:04:44so see, look, she goes, she goes, I don't even care if you flirted with him or more. I know you
1:04:50had nothing to do with what happened and I don't care if your job is having an open investigation.
1:04:54I'm not gonna ask you a single question, but my pops died and you're my best friend. Okay. I said,
1:04:58"Please stop talking about that." And she said, "What do you want? House arrest." And she just
1:05:02keeps saying, "My father died. What the fuck?" She was not okay last night. And I was just
1:05:06trying to like understand mitigate this. Um and I was like trying to calm her down. And I said,
1:05:13"Charlotte, I'm trying so hard to be the best friend of Candy right now." I said,
1:05:16"I want to talk to you about that case." I didn't say that case. I said that case like
1:05:20I wasn't even affiliated with it at all and you need to respect that. I'm here for you regarding
1:05:24your dad. You know this. And then she's but freaking out and freaking out. You guys never
1:05:32had a conversation except for this past text messages about Chris and his children. No,
1:05:36that was it. Okay. That was it. That's fine. I mean cuz he wasn't really something that I
1:05:40like super wanted everybody to know about. And I shouldn't have even mentioned it when she brought
1:05:44up what she had like going on sexually with her fiance and it it happened. But at that point,
1:05:50you guys are best friends. It's understandable. Yeah. See, and she keeps trying to talk about
1:05:54it. She says, "If you're not under investigation by the police, I don't care. Why can't you attend
1:06:01your so-called best friend's father's death? It doesn't make sense to me." And all I told her was
1:06:05stop. And she Yeah. and she just is like freaking out and finally I just told her, you know,
1:06:14getting mad at me isn't going to bring your dad back. And that when she chilled, okay, while she
1:06:20kind of went on another rant, but I had nothing to do with Chris. And then she apologized to me this
1:06:25morning for being drunk and sad and angry that her dad died. What other new information? Okay. Um,
1:06:34see, we got so much going on. I didn't even I texted it myself because I can't prove this.
1:06:41You you make sure before you leave you see Hazel. You need to get some help. I know.
1:06:47I've been asking. Um Oh, so he he was talking for a few weeks like he give me a time. Okay.
1:06:58Okay. So he went to North Carolina. When we came back from North Carolina, I was informed sometime
1:07:06either when he was on the trip or when he was like getting back but in that area that they
1:07:12filed for divorce and that um they were going to put the house up and he for sale and he was like
1:07:21she's the one that called the realtor cuz he told me that he had spoke to her when he was
1:07:27in North Carolina about it and then the next day she was the one who called the realtor.
1:07:31You say she Shannan. Yes. And when you say the time frame they came back from North Carolina,
1:07:38you don't remember the specific dates, but was like the first or second week of August. Yeah,
1:07:43I I think I told you guys when they left. I think he left on Tuesday the 31st of July. I do remember
1:07:52you saying that. And I don't remember when he came home. I really don't. I don't remember if it was
1:08:00like So, is this a phone conversation or is this a text conversation? No. Um, this happened over
1:08:06the phone and he told me that um that was when I had said, "Hey, when you go to North Carolina,
1:08:17I really think you should try to fix things with your wife." And he kept asking, "Well, what about
1:08:21us?" And I was trying to kind of take a step back and see if he would fix things before attempting
1:08:27to pursue things with me because I wanted to know that if all of these things he's saying like yes,
1:08:35we're getting separated and yes, you know, all of these things that he's saying are happening
1:08:40are happening. I wanted to know that it was like you were doing this like you said you were prior
1:08:48to me coming in your life and it had nothing to do with me, you know. And so for me it was
1:08:54like I just I really wanted them to fix it. I would have just like left the situation. So
1:09:02tell me why him Shenan calling a realtor and him mentioning that they were going to be divorced.
1:09:09Why why do you think it's important? Um because so after that he was like she's the one who called
1:09:15the realtor and I remember I was like damn that was fast cuz I knew he told me like we were going
1:09:20to put the house up but they said he was like we didn't know how much to offer for it and we
1:09:25were kind of trying to find somebody and it like so for the first few weeks that I hung out with
1:09:29him he kind of like dragged his feet on hey this is happening and then after North Carolina he's
1:09:35like yeah she wants to put the house up. she's on the call the realtor and I was like kind of taken
1:09:39back not necessarily at the speed of it given how long he said that they'd been separating but the
1:09:44fact that it she did it like the day after he supposedly sat down and had a conversation with
1:09:50her about hey do we fix this or do we not fix this relationship so do you remember how many days she
1:09:57was back in Colorado before leaving do you know that cuz I don't remember when they got home right
1:10:04I don't I'm just trying to get your memory jog there on that. But so this was they get home. He
1:10:10had told you in North Carolina that they agreed to end their finalized their relationship. Yeah. It's
1:10:17they get home and she immediately wants to sell the house. Yes. And then um so I mean I started
1:10:24thinking, okay, well I know in Colorado houses sell very fast here. So I was like, what's your
1:10:30plan? You know, and I was like, cuz you might want to be prepared. And I remember that's when
1:10:36the whole concept came up of you probably need to start looking for a new place pretty quick. And
1:10:44that was when he was kind of overwhelmed with it. And I told him I was like look like I just moved
1:10:48a few months ago. Um and uh I was like to find a place that was comfortable for me. I was like
1:10:55it took like a lot of research and I that's when I offered to help. I was like I'll help
1:11:03you. and he seemed pretty gung-ho about it for like the first week and he seemed very grateful
1:11:10and I was putting in work on it and I was like calling him and kind of letting him know about
1:11:15places and there really wasn't that many options in Brighton. Um I found one I actually texted it
1:11:21to myself before I texted it to him because I was going I still have that in my phone too.
1:11:26Um cuz I found it and it was great but it was like right at the beginning of my search and I was like
1:11:33I don't want to inundate him. So you said a week. Do you think you worked on that for a week? No. I
1:11:38honestly I only probably spent like a few hours over a few days and just trying to like line it
1:11:43up. Just trying to think about how many days she had been back while you were working on that. Do
1:11:48you know what I'm saying? Oh. So you said did you actually work on it for a week straight? No. No.
1:11:53No. It was just like a couple days after work. I would just like spend a couple hours if I had
1:11:59time like at the end of my day or if I didn't go to the gym and just sit down. And I mean I
1:12:04can give you a date on one that I worked on cuz I texted that one to myself. This one I love this
1:12:09one. Um when is this? Saturday, August 11th. That's the night you guys went out. Uh yeah.
1:12:20To uh the lazy dog. Yes. or the two the two lazy dogs. Yes, two lazy dogs. All right. What else?
1:12:28Um, yeah. So, the reason that this was important is because he like up to that point seemed like he
1:12:40was all about it, you know, and I was respecting him. I wasn't like, "Oh, you need to get this,
1:12:44you need to get that." I was like, "What city do you want to live in? What side of town is she
1:12:48staying in? You know, how close do you want to be to work? how close do you want to be to your kids?
1:12:53I mean, I asked him everything. I just wanted him to have something that was accommodating
1:12:58for his whole family. And he told me that she was probably gonna stay in the Frederick area, but he
1:13:02never said for sure. The first time I asked him, he's like, "I don't know where she's going to go,
1:13:07but she'll probably stay in this area." And I was like, "Chris, if you're going to get an apartment,
1:13:11like, you need to figure that out because the last thing you want is to be like an hour drive
1:13:16from your kids." I was like, you know, you you got to be close. And so, um, ended up asking him again
1:13:25like a couple days later. And that was when, um, he was like, I think she's staying in the
1:13:30Frederick area. And I was like, okay. And that's when I was like started to get details like where,
1:13:35and if you guys find my text, you'll see it where I'm asking like, where do you want to live? Like,
1:13:40how close do you want to be to work? Those things like, you know, um, did do you care
1:13:46what gym you go to? like what are you looking for? You know, we talked about this previously. Yeah.
1:13:50Yeah. Yeah. So, the thing was is he was like super gung-haul about it. And then on Saturday that day,
1:13:57um I remember being outside with him when this conversation happened, but I don't know where.
1:14:03I don't know if we were like walking into the restaurant or walking to the car, but I like
1:14:08vaguely remember being outside with him. And I was like, he had told me that he wanted to go
1:14:15look at some places that upcoming week and we were supposed to go do that on Wednesday. And I was
1:14:22like, um, I asked him, I was like, um, what places do you want to go see? And I was like, did you
1:14:29really like that place that I showed you? Cuz it was just like super convenient for everything and
1:14:33it had a little playground and it had a pool. Like it would have been awesome for his kids and it
1:14:38was cheap. And um and so and it was like close to Frederick. It was like it was it was close to the
1:14:46gym. It was close to work. It was close to me. It was close to everything. And it was in Brighton,
1:14:50which is what he wanted. And so, um I was like, "Did you want to go check that place out?" And
1:14:56he's like, "Yeah, yes." And he like didn't seem sure anymore. And that was the part that I wanted
1:15:01to tell you. I just figured I'd give you all the backstory. Sure. Um so, so he's not sure about the
1:15:06particular apartment or about even leaving. So, he told me that he like he looked at it and he
1:15:14told me that he thought it was nice, but he didn't really seem like his interest was that peaked. And
1:15:19I was like, "Well, did you find anything that you really wanted to look at?" And he told me, yeah,
1:15:25that he'd found a few, but nothing that really really piqu his interest. And I was like, "Well,
1:15:32you might want to get started." And he's like, "Well, I I I found one." And I asked him, I said,
1:15:36"Which one is it?" because I think I've looked at like every apartment in Brighton and maybe I'll
1:15:41remember it. And he's like, I don't know. I don't remember the name of it. And he kind of just like
1:15:48disregarded it. And it was kind of strange to me because like the whole week prior he was like so
1:15:54excited that I was trying to help him because he's busy. I'm busy. So I was like, "You look,
1:16:00I'll look. let's see if we can try to narrow it down to like four or five spots and then we'll
1:16:06find something that's good for you and your girls, you know, and and he seemed like very
1:16:10enthusiastic about it like during the week when the conversations first really started ramping up
1:16:17about like you probably got to figure something out because that house is going to sell really
1:16:23fast, you know, or at least be prepared. And so, so why do you think he was removed
1:16:28or not interested um on your Saturday night wherever you guys were? I don't know. I mean,
1:16:34sometimes like I think about these things and I feel like they're all assumptions,
1:16:37but at that point like maybe he already knew something that I didn't. I don't know. But
1:16:44it was just a complete mood change where he just didn't even seem that interested. And I was like,
1:16:50"Okay." And I was like, "Well, we don't have to do that on Wednesday if you don't want to." And he's
1:16:55like, "No, no, I know I need to get it done." And I was like, "All right." Okay. You know,
1:17:01cuz I wasn't going to like force him to do it. If he doesn't want to do it,
1:17:05don't do it. Just say no. You know, and I was like, and for me, it was like I was just offering
1:17:08to help because it's like I know what a tedious task it is trying to find a new place to live. Um,
1:17:15what else? Any other new info? um that part where he was just like really unplugged on Saturday and
1:17:22then there was something else that went with that. Let me just think for a minute. It was um
1:17:30I didn't write all this down. I just wrote that part down.
1:17:44I can't believe I can't remember all this stuff. Yeah, you remember so much stuff already. Slowly
1:17:50comes to me all the time. Well, some of this stuff is just things that you would never think
1:17:55about. And now that I'm like hindsight's 2020, I'm like starting to go back. There was something else
1:18:00that happened on Saturday that had to do with all of this. Think about it for a minute. I'm
1:18:05going to see if uh my tech guy has his equipment charged and we'll get your phone taken care of.
1:18:11Okay. So again, I'm going to have you sign this uh voluntary consent. Y it's the same
1:18:17thing that you signed in Thornton saying that, you know, I didn't threaten you, intimidate you,
1:18:23you have a right to say no. I want you to read the document again. We're going to take your phone,
1:18:27we're going to use um a program called Celebrite. If you go to your phone store,
1:18:33that's what they use sometimes. They used to do this. They used to move your stuff back and
1:18:37forth. It's the same thing. They're going to take that information and then um an examiner
1:18:43who is skilled in looking at cell phone data is going to look at it to try to recover the
1:18:48deleted material that we're after. I hope that they can get the deleted material is what I'm
1:18:52after obviously. I know it is. I feel so bad that I did that. I didn't even honestly like
1:18:57that's not even what I was thinking about. I was just so did not want like any presence from him.
1:19:05So you're okay with like Take the whole phone. Just take it cuz I feel like we've been trying.
1:19:13I'm going to put all data on here just for ease. Okay. You need So read that and make sure you sign
1:19:20it that you understand that's we're going to take all the data. Once I have all that stuff,
1:19:24I'll get your phone back to you. That's okay. I mean, I'm not even going to use this anymore. I'm
1:19:28going to just use this. Okay. I'm going to still get it back to you as soon as we're done. Okay.
1:19:31All right. So, next week sometime maybe. Okay. Or the week after or something like somewhere
1:19:36in that time frame. Okay. Okay. All right. Relax for a minute. I'll be back in a sec.
1:20:03I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it.
1:20:13I remember, by the way, I got it. Remember what in my head what I needed to tell you. Okay. Okay. So,
1:20:20hi. Hi. I'm Matt. I'm Nikki. Nice to meet you. Hello. Um, so this is my original phone, okay,
1:20:27that these guys would like to have. I have a lot of contacts on here that are not on the phone
1:20:31that I'm currently transferring to. Like a lot of them. I need some of them, right? Um, it would be
1:20:37greatly appreciated if we could get the contacts from this phone to just go to this phone so that
1:20:42all the text messages and everything have like names and things to them so that I can that's
1:20:47all I want to do. And I went to Verizon to switch it to this phone and all they did was give me this
1:20:53little sheet of paper to follow, which seems very simple and I'm usually pretty techsavvy except for
1:20:58the fact that I can't get the app store to work on this phone and I can't get the Wi-Fi to work on
1:21:02this phone. Okay, so that is the dilemma that I'm in. But if you would be so kind is to just think
1:21:09that up then I can give them what they need and um I am not good on phone things. I'm usually pretty
1:21:15techsavvy after working in the oil field. You got to get creative about this. It's in technology,
1:21:20but you're like in the sticks, so everything wants to malfunction. So are your contacts on this phone
1:21:27sync to the cloud to iCloud? I don't know. Okay. I mean, some messages came over, so I assume that
1:21:35everything is, but I don't really know. Maybe I'm not as I thought. What'd you remember? You
1:21:46just said you remember something. Besides that, you Oh, you have conversation right now. He's an
1:21:52agent. He works with me. He's He knows about this. I can step out if you feel more confident. Oh,
1:21:58no. I mean, what about whatever? You tell me. He had a fire stick. He kept talking about, "You know
1:22:05what a fire stick is?" Okay. You probably do since you're a tech guy. They're like, "Oh, you mean
1:22:10like an Amazon fire stick?" Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, he didn't have it in his possession,
1:22:14but I know Chris. Yes. So Chris mentioned to me that on Saturday, that same day, um
1:22:24that Oh, cuz this kind of went handinhand with the whole like apartment talk cuz I was like,
1:22:34"Oh, that apartment that he said he found that he was like I was like, "What's it called?" And
1:22:40he's like, "I don't remember." And I was like, "Well, how much is it?" He's like, "It's close
1:22:44to 1,100." And I was really taken back by that cuz I pay more than that and I don't really have
1:22:50that nice of a place and it's not a two-bedroom, it's a one. So that part kind of seemed odd to me,
1:22:56but I'd seen a few things online that were kind of cheap and I was just like, "All right." And
1:23:00he's like, "I'm just trying to cut costs." And I was like, "That's cool." I was like,
1:23:04"How else are you doing that?" And it was just out of curiosity. And he's like, "Well, I decided to
1:23:09get rid of cable." And I was like, "Okay." And I was kind of taken back by that too cuz he loves
1:23:16sports. Dude like lives and breathes football. So I uh I was like okay. And I was like that's a good
1:23:26cost to you know to cut back on. And he was like yeah I think I can watch still stream sports via a
1:23:35Fire Stick. And I've heard of those things before. I don't really know a lot about them. Um, but
1:23:42he was saying that he had a buddy working on it already for him. Who's the buddy? He didn't say.
1:23:49I didn't ask. Why do you think that's important? That he had all that set up. I don't know. I mean,
1:23:57it made me believe that that he was ready to move out. Is that Oh, I get what you're saying. Yeah.
1:24:03Like he was prepping. It still sounded like he was prepping. I mean, everything he did sounded
1:24:08like he was getting ready for everything to happen. The only thing that I found really
1:24:12peculiar about the whole situation was the fact that he just kind of seemed disconnected about the
1:24:17apartment thing on Saturday, whereas in previous conversations, he was the one who brought it up
1:24:25and he was the one who seemed really excited about it when I offered to help him do some
1:24:29like leg work on trying to find him a spot for him and his girls. Right. I'll be right back.
1:24:36Okay. So, I don't I don't know who his friend was. It was just weird cuz sometimes it seemed like
1:24:43some of the things he said he was still really a lot of things he said made sense. It still to
1:24:50this day make sense and then other things that he said don't make sense at all to me anymore or like
1:24:56they changed, you know? Well, you know a lot more now. Well, unfortunately, you know a lot more more
1:25:03now about terrible things that may have happened that changed the way you're thinking about what he
1:25:08said, too. So, making you think differently about those kind of that verbiage, right?
1:25:23Definitely. Okay. So, I think we we've talked a lot about a lot of different things. I hope I'm
1:25:32helping you guys. You certainly are. I hope so, cuz I'm so I don't like having this stuff on the
1:25:38top of my head. It's so hard in so many days. I can tell that my mind is trying to like block
1:25:46it all out right now. And I think it's almost like a subliminal like coping mechanism. And
1:25:50I'm trying not to. I'm trying to like think about it so that I can help you guys. And I just that's
1:25:55why I Why don't you give yourself a break for a day or two and just live a normal life? Stop
1:26:02thinking about this stuff for a day or two and then revisit it. Maybe that'll help you because
1:26:07you look like you're tired again. I lost my job yesterday. So that's where that comes from. You
1:26:14lost your job with the geocciences place as well. Okay. Sorry to hear that. That's what it
1:26:20is. With I think you mentioned with your skill set though, you should be easily employable in another
1:26:28uh local. I don't know. I don't know. I hope somebody hires me. I hope people don't see my
1:26:34name on a resume and just not hire me. Well, your name hasn't even made it in the papers
1:26:41yet. Not yet. So, remember you said that you had some locations you could go out of state maybe.
1:26:49Yeah. I don't know if that's what you're thinking or whatever is going to work for you. Yeah,
1:26:56I'm I'm thinking a lot about all of that. It's just a matter of timing and trying to figure
1:27:01out when to do it. Hesitant to do it all too soon and then have to do it all over again. Tell me the
1:27:07name of the geocciences company I Tasmin. Tasmin. That's right. I think I was just so bummed because
1:27:15they told me that they would keep me and then they called me back and let me go and I was just like,
1:27:20man. So, did they essentially fire you for a lack of better term and that was yesterday? Yeah. They
1:27:32said they let me go because they hired me to do a contract job and now that contract was over.
1:27:39It was unfortunate cuz Vanna Barco actually offered to pay me for a while and said no. So
1:27:47I just wish they would have been honest with me in the first place, but it is what it is. So now
1:27:52you're out looking for a job, too. I haven't even started doing that. It's not even like a priority
1:27:58to me at this point, but it will get dealt with. So yeah, so I need Hazel to help me out with his
1:28:03lease and sell my truck and change my entire life and hopefully somebody somewhere will give me a
1:28:11decent job and give me a chance and not judge for all of this whole disaster. So that's why it's You
1:28:21said Hazel was going to was helping you out with some of your lease stuff. All right. So, yeah,
1:28:27when we're here, I think she usually comes in in the afternoon today, so we'll check with her. Hey,
1:28:33I think Matt just went the other way looking for me, but he'll come back eventually. Awesome. So,
1:28:39he must want this for something. Probably charge my phone. I didn't charge this one.
1:28:46This one? Yeah. Here. What's this? Oh, this is your this is the Verizon callox. June
1:28:56the 13th. From what date to what date? You want this one back? It's a month. Sorry. No,
1:29:00you're good. I don't know. It's a month. So, it's probably whatever 30 days was. Probably July 14th,
1:29:08I'd assume. So, August 13. You'll see it when you open it up. You'll see it. But,
1:29:12it's a month. So, my Can I just take this real quick and and move it off your thumb drive? I'll
1:29:18give you your thumb drive. You can do whatever you want. That's yours. Um, you don't need this back.
1:29:29Um, no. I mean, you can give it back if you want. Yeah, I'll just go download this to my computer
1:29:34real quick. There's So, I think So, it's a month. It ends on the 13th. And that's why I was saying
1:29:40when they bill me next month, then I can give you the 14th and pass that. And I could have
1:29:46given you the 14th now, but because they haven't build me for it, like this is in a nice PDF,
1:29:53but the the the on build one is like in this janky Excel format, and you could like manipulate the
1:30:00data. You could I don't I don't want What is on here specifically? PDF of your complete phone bill
1:30:06for your cell phone. That ends on August 13th. Everything after that, you got to go put this
1:30:10on my phone or computer. My lease agreement is on there. And I told Hazel that you had it. Okay. So,
1:30:18I'll call Sher because she needs that. And then um my there's also like a computer record of me
1:30:28talking to the Verizon wireless people asking them if they can restore my text and what they
1:30:34had to say about it just so that you guys know that I did the due diligence to attempt to do
1:30:38that. Um so those are the three things that are on there. So there the messages that synced up
1:30:45when you started are on this phone, right? So when she's started, this phone's like 2 years
1:30:50old. Okay. But when she turned it on, a bunch of deleted messages from Chris that were on that
1:30:55phone synced up with that phone. Okay. So that's the one I want to try to rip. Okay. So we're going
1:30:59to download this phone. This one's coming. Yep. Exactly. So this one's going to be coming with us
1:31:05as evidence. That one was just ripped. So she has a phone. Okay. I need you to log into Google. I'm
1:31:10just trying to figure this out. I don't know if Oh, okay. That might be an issue. I know. I mean,
1:31:18if you guys really can't do it, I'm trying to go through figure out who is there's another way we
1:31:23can do it or we can try. Okay, man. I'm usually really good about passwords, but this one I'm not.
1:31:45I don't know. I really don't. I was messing with this before you walked in here. Okay. And that's
1:31:53the only way you can download apps, right? Was through this? Yeah. I mean, I'll have to
1:31:58figure I'm not I'm not an Android guy, so I don't know. I don't know. I never I haven't used Android
1:32:03phone in like 2 years. Okay. I guess I'll have to figure this out. That sucks. But it's okay. Well,
1:32:09there's another there's another thing that we can try. Sorry for the inconvenience. Did you have a
1:32:15text message on? So, when I looked up to I mean Wi-Fi I think you got a couple more extra. Oh,
1:32:22I got these. Yeah, this came in on my other phone. This was like right when I transferred.
1:32:32Um, so I think your contacts should be
1:32:38um connected to iCloud now. So shouldn't lose them
1:32:50and we can use we can try and use our down the machine that we use to download the phones can
1:32:55also transfer. I've never done that so I don't know how it's going to work but we're going to
1:33:00give it a shot. Okay. I just that would be so nice cuz I was looking at these messages and I
1:33:04was like, "Oh my god." Like, "Don't know. Don't know. Don't know. Don't know. Don't know. Don't
1:33:09know." I mean, again, I'm sure I could figure it out pretty quick if I read the text. Look at
1:33:12all them. Yeah. They're all different. Okay. And so, you would just save me a lot of time
1:33:20and stress. Okay. And then we're keeping this one. Yes. Downloading it and giving it back.
1:33:25Yeah. And then this one I think he only needs one number off of. And that one you guys are
1:33:28picking everything. Okay. But we're keeping this phone, right? Yeah. That's yours. Okay.
1:33:37All right. Let me go see if I can transfer the contacts. You want the
1:33:40wall charger that goes up? Um, I'll just put it here so I don't forget,
1:33:43but I don't need it right now. I will be right back or in a little bit.
1:35:04I don't know what this is.
1:39:43Vicki. Hello. How are you doing? I'm all right. I like your little blouse. It's adorable. Thank
1:39:51you. Thank you. So, let's take much time. I just want to say hello. How you doing? All right.
1:40:03I don't believe you. I'm going to step I'm going to step out. Okay. You I have that now. I have the
1:40:10lease. I'll give it to Hazel. Okay. Um did he get your phones taken care of? I don't know. He took
1:40:17them both. He was going to try. I'll step out for a few minutes. Give you guys a few seconds.
1:40:22All right. If you remember anything else, we'll talk before you leave. All right. Um,
1:40:30Hazel said she knew that you had been fired, so um, maybe get some advice on that, too,
1:40:36about potentially leaving here and starting starting a new somewhere else. Probably is
1:40:42a good good thing, right? I'll be back in a few. Okay. Thank you.
1:40:49So and Darkco finally to be at the company as well. Yeah. Well, Anadarko just terminated my
1:40:57contract. I mean, I I don't blame them. That's just not a good place to be. But they offered
1:41:03they were concerned and they offered to pay for like a few weeks. Well, that's that is
1:41:11pretty generous. It was very generous. And Tasman cut it off. They're just like,
1:41:15"We don't want to build a contractor if you're not actually working." It's like I respect that,
1:41:21you know. I just I don't know. I think uh it's kind of disappointing cuz they told me, you know,
1:41:29I informed them of the situation and then they contacted me like a day later and they said,
1:41:35"Oh, you're good. Don't worry about it." And they contacted me the day after and pretty
1:41:41much just let me go. want to just be honest. They'd be giving you another another job or
1:41:48another appointment. They would have had to have and I kind of had a solution for that situation,
1:41:54too, but they didn't seem like they were all about it. So, I mean, it is what it is. I've only been
1:42:01working with them for like 4 months. They don't really know me that well. That's Tasman. And so
1:42:07are they are they saying that your contract with them is also terminated or that you just aren't
1:42:14working in a darko anymore and they'll find you another position? They told me originally that if
1:42:20I wasn't going to work in Anadarko, they'd find another place to put me and then they came back
1:42:24yesterday night and said since you're not we hired you for the contract with Anadarko and since your
1:42:31contract with them was terminated, we're letting you go. Okay. Did you call the person whose name
1:42:38that gave you it? No. I've spent all day trying to do stuff with these guys, so I haven't had a
1:42:43chance. I think it might be helpful just to talk to him and see what he has to say about it and see
1:42:50if there's any, you know, he'll probably ask you what your contract with him was and ask you for
1:42:56some more details and see if there's any way that legally he can help you out or if he can
1:43:02create some sort of mediation or something like that. or at the very least negotiate a positive
1:43:08um referral to another agency or something. I mean, they told me they'd give me that. He
1:43:13seemed really taken back when I asked him, but I was like, "Can you at least give me a positive
1:43:17referral?" I mean, I did great work for those guys. They're definitely going to miss me being
1:43:21on their team for sure. And he was like, "Yeah, yeah, I'll do this." Okay. Man, I didn't really
1:43:30know what else to do. I just this is like one one more thing on my plate right now. I'm just I don't
1:43:37know what to do. I don't think anybody's going to hire me. Well, I think that right now what
1:43:44you need to worry about it sounds like you have really good supportive family and people that
1:43:49are going to help you get through for a few weeks while you're looking for work. So I think right
1:43:54now we need to just concentrate on getting your lease situation worked out so that you don't have
1:43:59to worry about carrying two places and getting everything worked out with victim comp so you can
1:44:06get started into some therapy. Yeah. I still just thought they were going to hire me like since my
1:44:12name's in the media like why would you do that? Well, it hasn't been yet. And it doesn't mean
1:44:20businesses won't necessarily the hiring agents won't necessarily have watched the news or known
1:44:25to those things. And if they do, I think you can just explain to them that you're doing everything
1:44:29you can to cooperate with law enforcement. You'll do what you can to have it not impact your job.
1:44:35And you know your work at your work at both incomplete you were prior to that is a good
1:44:42testament to what a good worker you are that through all this you kept going to work. You kept
1:44:47doing your job. You were responsible towards your agency. You informed them about what was going
1:44:52on. You did everything you needed to do. Still don't think people are going to hire me. I have
1:44:58a feeling that trying to get by for the next like five or 10 years is about to be a big problem.
1:45:05Okay. Well, I think that thinking that way is going to be a little self-defeating. So,
1:45:12let's try to take care of what we can take care of and try to build things up for you so that you
1:45:17have the most positive prospects for the future. So, I mean, I just don't even know where to start.
1:45:24Like I have friends that can give me a referral. But what I don't want to do is have my friends
1:45:28give me a referral and then they see the news and then they are very taken back and I think some
1:45:35people would be kind of upset if I asked them for a referral prior to the news breaking. You almost
1:45:42feel like waiting till it breaks to like try to approach people. Well, I tried thinking about like
1:45:48a temporary agency or some place, you know, like Kelly Girls. I mean, I know they don't pay well,
1:45:53but something like that. I know it's probably well well below your skill level. I don't know. I'll
1:46:01probably go back to the oil field at some point. Most of those people are much societal outcast,
1:46:08so it might work. Were you happy there? Huh? Were you happy when you worked there? Sometimes. Yeah.
1:46:15Sometimes not. But it wouldn't be torture to go back to that. No, it's all I know. Well,
1:46:23it's not like that fall back at least until all this gets resolved a little bit. I mean,
1:46:27if people hire me, it's hard to get a job out there and that's cuz I'm a woman. Yeah, I don't
1:46:34think you can do it. Well, you have a history that shows otherwise and that goes a long way.
1:46:52So, I understand that I um Hent Quebec has given has a copy of your lease. So, I'll talk with your
1:46:58landlord and see where we can get um as far as getting you out of that. And then I have a list
1:47:06of finally I have a list of referrals for you for therapists. Thank you. Did they approve it?
1:47:13They haven't yet, but they said they should by the end of the day or early tomorrow. They just have
1:47:18to go through a procedure. You know, it's it's the government. Everything has a procedure. So,
1:47:24just going through the procedure, but you could get started in the meantime calling the therapists
1:47:30and just doing little interviews with them. You know, like we talked about, just making sure that
1:47:35it's somebody that you feel confident with and that you feel comfortable you can say anything to.
1:47:43And then I would also ask them just because I know you have hard time sleeping and I
1:47:47know that this bothers you all the time that you could wake up in the middle of the night
1:47:54having some issues. You want to also talk to therapist about what kind of after hours of
1:47:58support you could get. You know, do they have a an emergency line or somebody that
1:48:03you can talk to if it is 4:00 in the morning and you haven't been able to sleep all night?
1:48:13And if you need some help making those phone calls, Bobby Joe and I can help you. Thank you.
1:48:22Okay.
1:48:26Doing anything you need to do every day. There's nothing else to do. I know you're feeling pretty
1:48:30overwhelmed and it just seems like it's piling up. Yeah. and you know that we are here for you.
1:48:40So you do have support. Yeah. The media came into my house, left a letter like old crinkly
1:48:50envelope and a piece of journal paper that was all crumpled handwritten and chicken scratch
1:48:56like oh I went to today's show you should call me. It's like why would I do that in the first place?
1:49:04But even then, like the lack of professionalism that my family is seeing from these news
1:49:09reporters is absolutely ridiculous. And you're just ignoring them. Yeah. I mean,
1:49:15they don't have my phone number yet. They still haven't found it. Well, that's good. And you're
1:49:19not at your home. No. And your dad's pretty good about saying no and walking away. So,
1:49:25they're contacting everybody. I've had so many people reach out to me. Media called me today.
1:49:34And you know, all they have to say is that they don't know anything about it and they don't have
1:49:38any comment. I don't want to talk to you or whatever. No comment or you don't know. And
1:49:44I was like, you don't have to talk to them. It's like you don't have to call them back. You don't
1:49:48owe them anything. Like just send me love and support. I haven't said anything else. I don't
1:49:54really know what else to say. No, that's good. But I had to do it with a lot of people and it wasn't
1:49:58something I wanted to do. I was trying to avoid that situation, but I've just been like inundated
1:50:03with phone calls and texts about it. So, I was like, "All right, talked to my dad and I was like,
1:50:08"Do we do damage control on the rest of these people so that they're prepared or not?" And
1:50:13he was just like, "Yeah, we'll do it." So, I just called like my closest friends and
1:50:18I didn't say anything about the case or that I was a witness. I just told him. It's like, "Hey,
1:50:23man. I need you to do this for me." Like, me asking questions. Just tell no comment.
1:50:30Please take all the pictures that you have of us off of social media. I love you and I'm safe.
1:50:37And I didn't break any laws. That's good. Well, cuz they start freaking out. What did
1:50:42you do? And I'm like, no, it's okay. You just help me, please. So, yeah, I'm so far. Well,
1:50:50we talked about that. How do you believe that your friends and your family would at least for a while
1:50:55be supportive not knowing anything just knowing that you needed their their love and support? I
1:50:59mean it's been 4 days that they've been searching for me and they haven't found me yet. I'm sure
1:51:05they will eventually but I think 4 days is it's not a bad start. I think you're right. And and
1:51:12they still haven't found my phone number. And you do have a plan. Do you know you have the plan to
1:51:16just say no to hang up? Don't answer the door. Don't answer the phone. You'll have caller ID
1:51:23so you know if it's your family or your friends and you have a voicemail that you can they can
1:51:28leave a message and just say what they want if it's family. Everybody else you can just ignore.
1:51:34You don't have any obligation to talk to any of them. Right. That's pretty much where I was at.
1:51:46It's just like one task at a time every day. So, but here and they got my phone. So, hopefully they
1:51:55can get what they need and good. Hopefully, it'll help. I'm just trying to do everything I can,
1:52:01but at this point it's like I don't even know what to do anymore. I like really want to just start
1:52:06taking care of myself and not everybody else and feel like it's just not happening. Well,
1:52:12I think is that all you do have to do right now is take care of yourself?
1:52:16There's really no one else that you have to take care of right now. You know,
1:52:20let your friends, let your family take care of you. Let them offer you support.
1:52:27You're doing everything that we've asked of you.
1:52:31And you just need to now take care of yourself and get yourself through this
1:52:39and let your family support you and let your friends support you. You don't have
1:52:43to take care of them. You've done what you need to do for them. You've told them,
1:52:48"I'm in a situation which I just need you to support me unconditionally support me." And that's
1:52:55all the taking care of them that you need to do right now. There'll be plenty of time for the
1:52:58rest of your life to take care of people. Right now, you just need people to take care of you.
1:53:08be nice.
1:53:13But I know I've asked you this before, but I'm going to ask you again. Um, are you still feeling
1:53:20like you're not thinking at all about suicide or hurting yourself? No, I'm not thinking about any
1:53:27of that. Okay, good. And you promise me you'll let us know if you start thinking that way? I
1:53:33text you guys in the middle of the night every time I'm stressing out. Okay. So, you will Okay.
1:53:44Okay. Cuz we want to be here to help you. We don't want this to turn into another tragedy for you.
1:53:55Well, I didn't know what time you were coming in today and I have another appointment that is
1:53:59coming in. So, I'm going to see what agent go back is too. That's okay. So, the judge sitting in here
1:54:04all by herself. Okay. cuz it's not a pleasant room to be hanging out. No, not at all. This is
1:54:10awkward. I have my phone. See, the phone's ringing and I'll just sit here. But you don't need Well,
1:54:17actually, I don't have to go and find it. Where are you? We're trying to get your phones to
1:54:20work. I know. But you don't remember your Google account? I should to be honest with you. It's like
1:54:25programmed into my my the two places I use it all the time and so I don't have to remember it. So,
1:54:32the only way to transfer your contacts from that phone, from your iPhone to that phone, is with
1:54:37your Google account. I mean, if I need to, I know. We're going to print your We downloaded them so we
1:54:45have the file available. We can print it for you. Can we do that? That would be nice. But we can't
1:54:50we can't move them because that's okay. Your So, your phone is essentially you won't be able to
1:54:55download apps or anything like that without your Google account. Okay. So, but you do know it. I do
1:55:02it on my Google account. Yeah. No. If I did, then we wouldn't be in this. But, you know, you do you
1:55:07have it somewhere else? Uh, yeah. I'm sure I could like reset it and figure it out. Just making sure
1:55:12you have a phone that's going to be usable. Yeah. I mean, I can make incoming and outgoing all of
1:55:17the site is all I really care about. So, he's going to download the messages that um uploaded
1:55:27when you redid your phone. So that's taking it shouldn't take too long. Yeah, there's not much on
1:55:34there. Yeah, it's pretty short. Should take just a few minutes and then we're done. They're all like
1:55:39they're not even on the right date some of them. It's really weird how they're timestamped. Okay.
1:55:44Like there's one on there on the 13th and I'm like I'm pretty sure that that was a conversation
1:55:49between you and Chris. Yeah, but it was like not that same day. The 13th was a Wednesday or the
1:55:5812th. I don't I don't know. All right. It's not in the right spot. They're not in the right spot.
1:56:05Maybe the date on the phone's messed up. I don't know. I'll look at the phone and we'll see. Well,
1:56:10it's out of order. Like, unless I'm confused, but I'm pretty sure the last text on there between
1:56:15me and him was actually probably somewhere in the middle of the text. So, when you say out of order,
1:56:22like like it's saying, "Oh, hey, this happened on like Tuesday." But really,
1:56:28I'm like, I'm pretty sure that that happened at a different point. Okay. All right. So,
1:56:33if it's critical, we'll talk about it. Um, I need to look at the text first, though, before I know.
1:56:39Of course. Understood. You probably want to go. Yes. You have your next client coming in. Thank
1:56:49you for your time. I appreciate that. Oh, yeah. You're welcome. and I'll send you those therapists
1:56:54and then you know just get started and giving them a call and seeing who you think is going
1:56:59to be a good fit for you. So at least we can have it ready so the one who can come says yes you can
1:57:03get started right away. Thank you. And if you need any help making those calls you start making them
1:57:09and realize you just can't do it on your own. Just call either Joe or I can just um call with you and
1:57:15and be there with you while you make those calls. Thanks. Okay. And if you want to try to give the
1:57:22guy from CDL a call and talk I will definitely call him. That is on my priority list at this
1:57:28point. I just not on the top of it. Yeah. No, I understand that. I understand. And I'm sure he'll
1:57:35say it depends on what your contract said. So if you have your contract with them where your dad
1:57:40can get to it because it's probably at your house. Um if you can have it where your dad can get to it
1:57:44or something to get for you to send to him, that probably be really helpful. I have it. It's all
1:57:50remote. It's all electronic. Oh, okay. Everything. I don't have to go back to the house at all. Okay,
1:57:54good. Good. Okay. Thank you so much, Hazel. And call me and check me anytime. Okay. Okay.
1:58:02All right. I'm going to see where he's at. What else? Anything else over here that you can think
1:58:10of or want to address or you remember? Sometimes I feel like I remember stuff, but it's like vague,
1:58:17you know? Like I'm like I can't I don't know. I don't And not everything's important, obviously.
1:58:24I know. I tried to get you to remember as much as I could because a lot of the stuff that you have
1:58:30told me over the last couple conversations is is relative and it's important. And I appreciate you
1:58:36going back and looking at uh calendars and doing all that stuff, but stop thinking about this for
1:58:41a while. I think we've got the everything. I don't think you can remember anything more. We've had a
1:58:48lot of conversations about this case. So, just give yourself a break. Go have dinner with one
1:58:55of your friends and have a Nobody knows who you are. Not yet. So, even better to make that happen.
1:59:04Whoever you trust in like Charlotte or whoever your other friends are, go have a normal night
1:59:11and not sit at your house and dwell on this. It might do you wonders. Okay. Are they going to post
1:59:20anything if they don't find out anything? Cuz I'm just surprised they haven't yet about me. I mean,
1:59:27it's been 4 days. You know that they are dying to find out who you are. I know. They haven't
1:59:33even reached my inner circle yet. That's been four days. You got good friends. Yes,
1:59:38I do. So, be thankful for that. And I We've We've had this conversation. Is it You know,
1:59:46you said you're thinking about going somewhere else. Go. I don't know when I'm going to do that.
1:59:50And can you guys tell me with a name change? Can you like do that? I'm serious. Please. So,
1:59:54I can't do anything for you. It that's a legal process. It's um it's really not that difficult.
2:00:02Um, there's just paperwork that needs to be filled out. Uh, I think your best bet would just be to
2:00:09call uh an maybe ask an attorney to help you with that or seek advice from I don't even know who
2:00:17you'd call. Um, honestly, but people change their name all the time when they get married. Uh, so
2:00:24it's probably the county clerk. Um, but it's going to I think it would have to be at a state level to
2:00:29make a name change, but I don't know specifically how to do that. I don't Does that like become
2:00:35public? Cuz that would defeat the purpose. I don't know. Um, I know it can be done. I just don't know
2:00:41how to do it and I wouldn't even know who to reach out. I mean, I could find out and let you know,
2:00:46but I don't know how to do it. Um, you know, like the witness protection thing is very, very rare.
2:00:52I'm not expecting that. I he's not going anywhere. He's not going to hurt you. All those things. So,
2:00:59no, I'm not expecting that. I just I don't even know. Like sometimes I'm like I just want to do it
2:01:05now and I'm like why? Because if you go to another state, I feel like it would defeat the purpose.
2:01:10You know, a part of me I just I keep getting really scared that it's going to be really hard to
2:01:15find good employment for like a really long time. Like years and years and years of my life. I feel
2:01:20like people are going to if you go to another state, this is not headlines in that state.
2:01:25You realize that I mean I I Yeah, I do. And if I do a background on you, you're a good employee.
2:01:36It doesn't come up that you dated Chris Watts and you're involved in this case. It doesn't work that
2:01:41way. So, I wouldn't worry too much about that. But I mean, I don't know. I just feel like this is
2:01:49just like one of those things that if it goes to court, it's going to be like huge. Well, I mean,
2:01:56it's national right now, but it's not like, you know, it's not the theater event that happened in
2:02:04Aurora 7 years ago, right? That everybody in the world knew about. It's not that. So I certainly
2:02:11for you, you're under the microscope and you you're feeling it and nothing can anybody can say
2:02:17can change that for you. So I get it, but I don't I think you need to just step back for a minute,
2:02:26take a breath, figure out what you're going to do. Obviously, you have some serious very serious
2:02:31decisions to make over the next, you know, couple of months. I know. I'm trying to find out how to
2:02:38do all this without spending all my savings. Just saving up for a house and I'm just like,
2:02:43damn it. At least you have savings to fall back on, too. A lot of people can't say that. Yeah,
2:02:49that is true. Well, since they fired me, hopefully get unemployment for a little while so I can like
2:02:54get my mind right and go to therapy and then go back to work at that point cuz I am not ready. So,
2:03:02going back to work might be a good thing for you though then, you know, sit and think about this
2:03:05every day. I don't know. I agree with that. But finding a job is the big task. You know,
2:03:11that's why I told her, she's like, "Why don't you reach out to some of your friends and see
2:03:13how I feel about a job?" It's like, "Well, they don't they don't know who what's going on." No,
2:03:19they don't now. But what I don't want is somebody to give me a reference and then
2:03:22they find out what's going on. I think that's really disrespectful. I think you reach out
2:03:28specifically to an employer, not a person. Other I don't know anything about the oil industry, but
2:03:36other companies like who you work for. I have this skill and I'd like to come to work for you. Just
2:03:44thinking about it. I was thinking about reaching out to some old employers. I've always been a
2:03:48really good employee to those people. Everybody when I leave is pretty disappointed. This is
2:03:52the first time I've ever been terminated from a job. So sometimes that can be tough to get over,
2:03:59too. It's hard. This was like the dream job. I feel awful about all of this. It's like I wanted
2:04:05that for so long to get out of the oil field. I was so tired of living on oil rigs. It's such a
2:04:10rough life. It's like I just want to be in the office and work environmental for an oil company
2:04:15and I finally got it and all this happens. Well, you have that skill set now so maybe you can move
2:04:21back. I hope so. We will see. Um I forgot what else is Are you guys Am I in trouble cuz I deleted
2:04:31his text? You're not in trouble. I didn't know what was going on at that point. So I know if is
2:04:39there does that cause question? Of course it does. There is. But is it criminal? No. Is there concern
2:04:47that you're hiding something? Potentially. That's why I want them or I wouldn't be asking for them.
2:04:52I know. And you've been you've been upfront with me uh about everything. I don't have I don't have
2:04:59a concern that that you know you ever told Chris I don't want you you know go kill your wife or
2:05:06get rid of your kids or I don't want to date you if you have kids. None of those things ever came
2:05:11out of your mouth. We've talked about that. No. So, but until those text messages that are deleted
2:05:19um are there, you know, and all that, it's just speculation. But it it's kind of like why did you
2:05:26do that? And I get your excuse. I understand what you're saying that on Tuesday you re realized who
2:05:32this man was and what he had done. You didn't want him to be part of your life anymore. So
2:05:36you got rid of it. I didn't even want to see it in my phone. It was like freaking me out cuz I
2:05:39remember I had like deleted them and then he sent me another text and then I deleted that one too,
2:05:46right? Cuz I was like I don't want to deal with this. By the way, when you're looking through
2:05:51those texts, look for his ABC phone for that one conversation we had where he screenshotted
2:05:56me what he did on Monday. You remember that? Mhm. Yeah. And you said that's his Antarctica
2:06:02phone. Uhhuh. Okay. And that should be the only like recent like there's probably stuff if you
2:06:07guys are able to pull up from way way back that we talked, but nothing. The thing we talked about was
2:06:13him proving that he went to the oil field that he went to work that he went to work that morning at
2:06:18whatever site he was supposed to go to to check on the So that'll be in there movies. Okay. Okay. Y
2:06:24All right. Um and then I don't know am I allowed to like address my friends and tell them please
2:06:30no comment to the media? I mean I haven't anything else. I would not talk with anybody about any of
2:06:37this case except I mean I know you've tal you need to talk to a therapist and you need to talk I'm
2:06:42sure you talking to your dad to some extent person not well when he's not in here for this I don't
2:06:49tell him about this I tell him I'm coming down here but he doesn't need to know anymore he's so
2:06:53stressed you're an adult you made some decisions that caught you in a bad situation but there's
2:07:00nothing wrong with you talking to somebody I just wouldn't didn't go into details. No, I haven't
2:07:05even been telling people. I'm a witness for it. Certainly your best I mean if I was you, I would
2:07:12be confiding at my best friend like, "Hey, this is what's happening in my life and I need help."
2:07:18Is there anything wrong with that? No. I mean, that's about as far as confiding has gone was me
2:07:23telling her about some guy that I was hanging out with, but that was like way before any of this.
2:07:28Yeah. And you need support right now, too. So you do there is no we're not you're not in trouble.
2:07:36There's no charges against you. You're simply a witness. I just don't want to like get in trouble
2:07:40for like talking to like my dad or like being their friend for hell. Well, I mean like well
2:07:47my dad already knows. You know what I'm saying? There's nothing to get in trouble for. Okay. I
2:07:51don't know how that works. That's why I'm asking. I'm like I don't There's just one more thing I
2:07:55don't need on my plate cuz I Oh my god. you're not you're not um in trouble and talking to your
2:08:01friends and family about what's going on isn't going to get you in trouble. Okay. I don't even
2:08:05want to talk to my friends about it. I don't even want anybody to know. I mean, they're going to
2:08:10find out, but I figure the reason that I think I'm staking out from the media as long as I have been
2:08:18is because nobody knows anything. And cuz my inner circle is really awesome. Maybe I don't know. Oh,
2:08:25they haven't even or they just because you're not on social media at all. But I mean, I eliminated
2:08:32all of that. I've like even had the ability to like go through. I went and found everybody I knew
2:08:37that had any public posts and it was just like this needs to be cleared. It's all, right? So,
2:08:43you've made it very difficult for them to find you. Do I think eventually that at some point they
2:08:48are going to find you? Sure. Of course. You think they're going to find out where I'm staying at? I
2:08:52think that would be really tricky. I don't know. You haven't even told me where you're staying. So,
2:08:56and I don't know how it's connected to you or your family. So, I mean, if it's in your family's name,
2:09:02certainly it wouldn't be that hard to figure it out. So, if that, you know, there's ways to find
2:09:10out where people are staying, but they're limited, unless somebody somebody knows about this place
2:09:15that talks to them. Nobody. Nobody. All right. My doesn't even know where I'm at. Um, let me check
2:09:22on this. Yeah. Let me check on this phone. Oh, yeah. That's right. I was like, I'm ready to go.
2:09:27I know you're ready to go. So, he's printing the your contacts. I'll be back in a minute.
2:11:30Okay, there's those. And he's still messing with your phone. Give me Give me a few minutes. Okay.
2:11:38Yeah. Back in a minute. Did you sign this? Yes, it should be. It's cool. All right. Do
2:11:45you want a copy of that? Not sure that in a minute. You guys got this all up.
2:16:50All
2:17:12right. One more question for you. Yeah. Um, I have jury duty on September 17th. Is that
2:17:21something that I can do given the fact that I'm like mid in this mess? Yep. Okay. So, just answer
2:17:28their question. They're going to ask you a bunch of questions. Answer them truthfully. Um, yeah,
2:17:34I wouldn't I wouldn't avoid it, but I just didn't know. Have you ever gone into juror duty? Uh,
2:17:40I was supposed to go once and they didn't need me, but I just wanted to like double check.
2:17:44No, it has no branding on what's going on in this. So, you're all right. I think you still can get
2:17:49your phone to download the restroom. Yeah, I leave my stuff in here and back in here. Left again.
2:20:30Thanks. Be right back.
2:22:18Thanks, man. It's all right.
2:22:25just having a bad day. Okay. Can you show me the messages that downloaded? I'm going to take
2:22:31photographs of them because the device that we were using doesn't want to work. I don't know. Oh,
2:22:38for the messages that came from Chris that you said showed up on the phone. Yeah. I don't think
2:22:46any of the ones from his anodoral phone came in, but I don't know the number. Okay. I didn't see
2:22:50it. Maybe they can give me that number. Or we can check that one, too. Um, I can probably get
2:22:55it real quick. Show me the ones that you think came from him, though. And I show Yeah, I know.
2:23:01Just give me a sec. Boom. Right there. So, I I am going to take photographs of these in lie of uh
2:23:10downloading it with You want me to just screenshot them and send them? Well, but there's no way to
2:23:14do that. No, right here. This isn't hooked up to Wi-Fi or anything, is it? No, but I'm saying Oh,
2:23:21I see what you're saying. It'll come in clearer or you can watch me do it is what I'm saying. Well,
2:23:25if I shot them and then text them to you right now. Yeah. Or you can email them to me. I'll
2:23:30just send them to you right now while we're here. Okay, that's fine. Okay. You know, it's scary. I
2:23:35read this one. This is back in June 27th. This is like when we first started talking and look
2:23:41at him. Loyal, truthful, dedicated, doesn't play games. It just makes me so sad to read this and
2:23:49think like So, are these some of the ones that you um deleted? I deleted everything that he sent
2:23:56me. But these are just old. Like look how old. And was there any from those dates? Yes. So look like
2:24:03these 627 629 and these are old. And then they seem to be see and then we're missing the second
2:24:13and the third. And then there's the fourth. Okay. So, there's a lot of messages kind of,
2:24:19but then like Yeah. Then there's no fifth, sixth, seventh, or eighth. And then there's the ninth,
2:24:23but it's only one text. And then the 17th, one text. And you guys text how many times?
2:24:29All the time. I bet you guys have hundreds of messages that you need to recover. But yes. So,
2:24:33here's the 11th. But look, there's only one from the 11th. Can I just see what he says?
2:24:40And then the only text that I think might be out of order might is the one at the very end.
2:24:51I just wish they were more complete. And I don't understand why they're coming in
2:24:55in bits and pieces. Like what's causing that? So the 10th Oh, you went to you went to the Rockies
2:25:01game. Yeah. Okay. I didn't see him that day. I was with my friends, but I stayed with him that night.
2:25:30Okay. So, this one's on Sunday night. Yeah, that's at 4:07 p.m. What's he talking about?
2:25:38Pounded fruit. Is that you or him? That's him. Oh, so he was talking about that that birthday party
2:25:44he was going to go to. Whoever was hosting it, I don't remember. Like he told me the name once,
2:25:48but when I forgot, I don't even remember to be honest with you. Like the only names that I
2:25:53remember very well is Nick and Mark. Those are the only two that I could be like, "Oh, yeah." Like I
2:25:58could tell you like maybe a little people. Yeah. Um but he went to the birthday party and he said,
2:26:06"Oh, this guy always barbecues." And then he was saying, oh, he didn't barbecue. So he was saying
2:26:13he had fruit and asparagus. Um, yeah, didn't do any smoked barbecue at that time. He did hot dogs.
2:26:18So he was saying he avoided that. He was like trying to eat healthy. So this is the final one.
2:26:22This is the one. I don't know if this is in order. I'm not sure exactly what this is referring to,
2:26:28but I think this one at the bottom, oh my god, that's absolutely ridiculous. They would freak
2:26:33out. that. Do you remember when I told you like I was always trying to like incorporate his kids and
2:26:39stuff? I mean, even if it wasn't like directly like me and him, but just like I was always
2:26:43thinking of cute stuff when I'd see stuff and I was like, "Oh my god, little girls would like
2:26:47that." I would show him. And I found this box of Lucky Charms that was unicorn Lucky Charms,
2:26:56okay? And I thought they were really cute and I texted it to him and I was like, "Do your little
2:27:01girls know about these because they're awesome." them and I like little stuff like that. So that's
2:27:07I don't think that that's the 13th because I don't think I talked in that day. What day was the 13th?
2:27:12I can't remember. Monday. Was it Monday? I think I got to look cuz I can't I think it Well, no. Well,
2:27:17then maybe these aren't in order. Monday was the day I think that I sent that text. Yes,
2:27:21that's Monday morning at 2:44 p.m. So that's an afternoon Monday. Does that sound right? I
2:27:29was at work when I texted it, too. So that fits. Okay. So then it is in order. So it is in order
2:27:35and this makes sense cuz that's Sunday, right? That's Sunday. Okay. So they're So they're in
2:27:40order. They're just ning. So he's he's basically saying he's still at that barbecue. Barbecue.
2:27:48And that fits. Okay. Perfect. Okay. So So no. So then this one is in the right place. I was
2:27:54thinking 8:13 was Tuesday and I'm like I don't think you and I had very pleasant conversation
2:27:58on Tuesday. You want to screenshot all those to me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, let's start. And then
2:28:04how do you scream? I turn this off, but Oh, this phone's so weird. You like ninja chop it. Oh,
2:28:12I think that worked. Okay, so that takes us down to 629. So then I'm going to scroll up to 630.
2:28:21Ninja shop. Interesting. That's old old school. I had to do a stop mission in my house last night.
2:28:30star. I did not like it. Like this is scary, but it's cool. I got it. So I went to go back.
2:28:46Okay. So while you're doing that, let me ask you about the text with you in Charlotte. Yes.
2:28:53You talk about children and he's got his own kids and that makes you kind of uncomfortable because
2:29:01you'd like to have your own family. Put that in context for me. Does that is that a fair statement
2:29:07the way I'm saying it? I mean, I guess that was never anything I like said to him though. Okay,
2:29:13that's what I want to know. Did you ever say anything to him about like Never ever anything
2:29:20about his kids being a problem? anything about his wife being a problem? Never. Never. I always
2:29:26try to be so inclusive with them. And even when her was her when I was talking to her,
2:29:30it wasn't that his kids were an issue. It was just this man already has a life.
2:29:40Should I go build my own? You know, was somebody who hasn't done that yet. And then she was the one
2:29:45that was saying, you know, I was engaged once and it didn't work and now I'm engaged again and she's
2:29:52trying to tell me like it doesn't matter. Like I'm on my second time of going through this and she's
2:29:59like, I love this man very very much. And she was saying like he's not going to love you less
2:30:06because he's already been through marriage once and been separated and already had kids. like he's
2:30:14not going to Those reference were never made to him though about children. Never. So Charlotte,
2:30:20that's who you were talking with. Yes. Did you one time tell me Charlotte's a lesbian? No, she's
2:30:25engaged. Okay. You were you talking about one of your friends that might have been a lesbian at
2:30:32some point? That's not the case. I don't think so. I don't You You never said that about any of your
2:30:40friends that I inquired about. I don't think so. Okay. So, I don't think that was I think on the
2:30:45first day we talked with your dad there, we had I inquired about Charlotte. Um, yeah, you asked
2:30:52me about Charlotte and EH Harmony and I'm like, what's on my text? And I was like, what is he
2:30:56talking about? And I couldn't find it. So, I was wondering if maybe somebody like reference both of
2:31:01those two but not in together. Okay. I'm wondering if that's where that came from. So, Charlotte is
2:31:07your friend. She's your closest friend. Y you guys have this conversation, but it never went anywhere
2:31:12besides her and you. He never never mentioned it to Chris. He never said anything about your
2:31:18kids or his kids, pardon me, damaging your guy's relationship. No. Or nothing like that. Never. And
2:31:27I mean, and even in that, it wasn't like I I never said his kids were a problem. It was just like he
2:31:32already has a life. Like I don't know about that. So, in light of what's occurred though, what I'm
2:31:39trying to make sure is that there was never a conversation that you guys had that he might have
2:31:44thought that you um were saying, "I can't be with you if you have kids." I wouldn't I wouldn't be
2:31:53with him if I couldn't. Okay? So, I'm just making 100% sure that those I promise you like I really
2:32:01want you guys to pull these texts because all the stuff I've been telling you will like sync up.
2:32:07And I hope we I haven't been very lucky with your phones yet. They've been nothing but a pain. So,
2:32:13this one's coming with you. Okay. I think I know this is a task. I'm going to Some of these might
2:32:19be duplicates, but whatever. I'm going to send these to you. Um, no. That was kind of something
2:32:25between me and her. And it wasn't even really the kids. It was that like he'd already been married
2:32:29before. And I was just like, I don't know if I like am in a long-term relationship with this
2:32:34guy. Is that something he would eventually want? Cuz that's something like I would eventually want,
2:32:39you know? I just So, your concern was more about his prior marriage than his children. I guess I
2:32:47wasn't honestly I wasn't really that worried about him at that time. Like if you read the majority of
2:32:52those texts, like it's very very flattering to him and all the many things that I have to say
2:32:56about him. It was just that I wasn't like 100% committed to him yet. I mean, I was monogamous
2:33:02with him. I wasn't seeing any other men, but I wasn't like, "Hey, this is the guy I want
2:33:08to spend the rest of my life with." And part of the reason that I was uncertain, I mean, yeah,
2:33:13he'd already built a life, but honestly, like, he wasn't out of the marriage that he was already in,
2:33:21right? So, I mean, I'm not going to go tell the whole world like, "Hey, I've got this guy and,
2:33:27you know, I'm going to take in his kids and we're going to do this and we're going to do that." And
2:33:31it wasn't because I had any problems with them. It's just he was very Okay. Um, I know the context
2:33:42of that text now, like looking at it looks so bad. You have to look at it from the perspective
2:33:47that I'm looking at it. Yeah. And how it could be misconstrued or made out to sound something
2:33:53another way. That's why I wanted to give you the opportunity to say what it really means. Okay. No,
2:33:58I don't mean any harm towards those kids. I always thought they were so cute when he showed me those
2:34:03pictures. He was all about them, you know. And not only that, but it's like once you guys get those
2:34:07texts, you will see like there's not very much mention of his children. And if there is mention
2:34:13of his children, it's always like cute stuff where it's like, hey, you should show them this or hey,
2:34:19this apartment's great for them or you know, what do you think of bunk beds? And you know,
2:34:23like they those little girls like reminded me of me and my little sister. They're like the same
2:34:28age. Yeah. I mean, like it was so cute. like he would call his little daughter, the younger one,
2:34:35CZ, call her Rampage. He's like, "She's wild." And it used to just make me smile because my
2:34:42little sister was totally rampage. And it just was kind of like spot on, you know? And so like
2:34:53it just kind of made me think like, okay, these guys are going through a divorce at the same age
2:34:58that I was at when my parents went through a divorce. It's like, how did I handle that? You
2:35:02know, and I tell him like, you know, this is what happened when my parents separated and we were
2:35:06this old and just try to like give him a reference because I gave a damn, right? Okay. Um I mean,
2:35:15but just because I I care about the him and I care about his kids and and all of that doesn't
2:35:21mean that I'm ready to turn around and like does he ever say anything like that? Like,
2:35:26do I have to get rid of my kids or do I, you know, this shocked me just as much as I think
2:35:33it shocked the rest of the world? All of it. Like, he lied so much. Now I go back and think about all
2:35:40this [ __ ] now. Like, it's lies. Everything that they knew about him was lies. I mean,
2:35:45his friends let him stay the night at their house. He even fooled them. It's not just
2:35:49me. He lied to everybody. He had all of you fooled. And everybody stood up for him. His
2:35:56friends stood up for him. I really thought she left. I was like, "Let her [ __ ] go." You know,
2:36:03she'll come back in a day. She'll be all right. Let her cool down. She'll be here. It'll be okay.
2:36:07You know, like, how do we convince? Like, I think she's just upset. And then and then
2:36:18never would I guess. I mean, even now when I go back through this stuff that I'm like,
2:36:24it doesn't make sense, you know, or it like seems a little off, that stuff still doesn't send a red
2:36:31flag to me like, hey, this guy's going to murder his family. Sure. I don't think there was any You
2:36:37didn't have any indication. And by all account, doesn't seem like anybody did. No, I just like,
2:36:45you know, sometimes I like try not to think what that man is thinking cuz like you don't know,
2:36:50you know, but it's like how long has his brain been like shifting to this par this paradigm shift
2:36:59where he feels the need to do this. It's like I just don't believe that it's something that
2:37:05just happens in a day or two days. I don't think it happens in two months. I think that this is
2:37:12something that takes a very very long time to develop and I don't Right. So that scares you
2:37:20when you look back at it. Yeah. Because I like I think about it and I'm like he could have had
2:37:26that capacity to do that whether I was in his life or not. He could have had the capacity to
2:37:33do that. Maybe not even just to them. It could have been me. It could have been our co-workers.
2:37:40I mean, the more I think about it, I mean, I think I think a lot of people are going to
2:37:48probably assume that I was the catalyst for his movement, but I don't think, you know,
2:37:55not me like instructing him, but him deciding to do that because he had me in his life and
2:38:02because he was so like infatuated with what we had going on. But, you know, like I try to put
2:38:11the the reason to it at the end. Like, why would you wipe out your family to be with me? Like,
2:38:18it doesn't it doesn't like compute. It's like, how would that go? Like, hey, my family just
2:38:26disappeared. And you think that I'm going to just not be concerned about that? And not only that,
2:38:35like he was so about those little girls and I always try to like push him to do that. Like I
2:38:41told you, like there'd be days where where like he would want to come over my house after work.
2:38:46I'd be like, "No, go hang out with your kids. Your kids are home." Like that was me. It wasn't even
2:38:52him. That was me pushing that. And he would go do it, you know? And he spent time with them,
2:38:57but he was never like, "Oh, I don't want to hang out with them." He'd just be like, "Can I see you
2:39:00for a few hours?" And I'm like, if your kids are awake, go hang out with your kids, you know, if
2:39:05they're asleep and you want to talk, you call me, but don't do that while they're up. Like, spend
2:39:09time with them. And and I just, oh my god. And that that that is the part that I have like the
2:39:16hardest part swallowing where it's like, why would you take them out to spend time with me? like
2:39:30it doesn't fit. It doesn't fit at all. Mhm. You know, I But you said he was infatuated with you.
2:39:45But even then, if he's so all about me and I support him being with his kids, you would
2:39:53think that he would want to do what would make me happy. It's a good point. And so maybe what
2:40:06would make me happy was him hanging out with his kids. It was his kids. It's in texts. It's in
2:40:13phone conversations. I mean, so that's what you're saying that doesn't we'll look at it. It doesn't
2:40:18I that one particular context in that just it's so open kind of the interpretation and whether or
2:40:26not you said it. That's why I wanted to address it in particular. Okay. Okay. Yeah. There's nothing
2:40:30like that in our text. I can tell you that right now. Never. Did you send those? Yeah,
2:40:34we working on it. I'm sorry. How'd you ever get any work done? You get sidetracked. I actually got
2:40:42a lot of work done. I'm just teasing you. It was a lot easier in the oil field than it was in the
2:40:47other field. So 871956998 I am. Okay. I just want to make sure. Yeah. Don't send those to anybody
2:40:57else, please. Let's see how many I can do at a time. Screenshot. You probably send them all.
2:41:15How about email? If you emailed it, could you select each one and attach it to the email? I
2:41:20mean, I just want to do it here at like in its entirety. Okay. That's right. You don't
2:41:26have Wi-Fi on the phone, right? No, I don't have anything on here. I'm okay. I think this is this
2:41:35could be a slow process here, but bear with me. Yeah. I don't know. Sometimes we just feel like
2:41:44some sometimes I legitimately think that that man's cheese was sliding off of his cracker
2:41:50long before I came into his life. Have you stayed away from the media the last couple of days? Yeah,
2:41:59I guess they know where I live. I like I mean know what they're reporting about him or the
2:42:04case? No. So, you've been watching that kind of. I I thought So, you you saw a video of him like
2:42:15talking about relationships? Oh, I don't really I can't even like bring myself to like watch most
2:42:21of that stuff. I will like scroll through the headlines if they look different than what I
2:42:30uh previously like knew about the investigation. Kind of looking for my name so that I know when it
2:42:40happened so that I can deal with that. But other than that, no, I don't um I never actually watch
2:42:52that video. Okay. I don't want to like have a hard time like looking at him now. It's kind of same
2:42:58thing like when I deleted the text like I saw his mug shot and I like looked at it the first time
2:43:04I saw it and it scared me and now when I see it I just like move past it because I find it
2:43:18to be I don't get it. Did I just say I don't know how to work this new phone now
2:43:31attached.
2:43:34One I think some of these are repeats. I'm sorry. It's okay.
2:43:38Okay. As long as I have them all, that'll be great. I think you do.
2:43:47You look like you've been drinking way too much coffee. cuz I'm shaky. Yeah,
2:43:52I think it's the sleep loss 812. They're coming. You don't have the one at the very bottom and I'll
2:44:00pick you back. Oh, you do. No, you don't. No, you don't. You're missing the last one.
2:44:09Send me the last one and then we'll send you out of here. And then don't think about this stuff
2:44:14for a while. I'm trying so much easier. When I'm done with your phone, um, I'll get this back to
2:44:22you. I mean, if you guys need to keep it, just No, we won't need to keep it because what it's
2:44:25going to do, if I take everything, then it's just easy. I get it back to you. Okay. So, the examiner
2:44:32that's going to look at it, uh, she comes back in early next week. Um, and I'll try to corral
2:44:38her to do that as early as possible so we can download your phone and get it returned to you.
2:44:58All right. This phone is so different than an iPhone. Totally different than an iPhone.
2:45:04I know that. It's just been a long time. It's been years and years since actually
2:45:11has this phone. Oh, let me go see if I can find his in darker number real quick,
2:45:15too. I'll be right back. Totally forgot about that. Right back.
2:45:54That's so nice.
2:50:13Okay. 720.
2:50:19You just reading those. I've been all Look for his own darko stuff. So,
2:50:25we need to get out of here. Chris,
2:50:39what is it? My handwriting 390. Let's start. I just read and you all of those.
2:50:47It's fine. Tuesday. So, that would have been on the 12th or the 13th. One day was Monday.
2:50:55Um 11th was Saturday. So the 13th would have been Monday. Okay. So what about on the 13th?
2:51:04That was the day that I don't see it. I see one of my contractors and I see him.
2:51:16I don't see him in here. I won't stop. It's okay. So you guys need to say it this time.
2:51:25I'm so sorry. I really like I didn't know. It's fine. Don't beat up yourself about it.
2:51:32We've already been through this 10 times. It is what it is. Is there any older ones
2:51:37potentially from a dark phone? That's a possibility. Is there a way to search
2:51:41those? I don't. Can you go and maybe I'll test? I haven't used this phone in years.
2:51:52search. Cool. Yay. 720. It's going to be like that's everybody. Nope. Okay. None on your
2:52:03phone. Okay. I tried. How about in your call log? That was text messages. In your call log,
2:52:11did you ever converse with him on that phone? I mean, this phone's for you. Uh, but I don't
2:52:15think Oh, but it's downloading all sorts of stuff. How about you look at your call log and
2:52:20just see? Let's see. Let's see if it's down. Nope. 11:02 2016. Okay. And then all of these
2:52:29are These are all 2016. So, it didn't update the call. All it did was today once I got the phone.
2:52:39Okay. Is that a Samsung Galaxy? Yeah. I just thought it was so weird all those messages
2:52:45started showing up and I was like, please have all of them. You sir would have been really nice,
2:52:50wouldn't it? I could have just given you. It would have made my life way too easy. All right,
2:52:55you ready to get out of here? I am. All right, take your stuff. I will call you. Probably won't
2:53:08be next week. I'm going to be busy all next week. I'll be going. So, I'll call you the
2:53:11week after about when your phone's done. Um, and I'll get that back to you. And then at that time,
2:53:19if there's anything new, we can talk about it then. You think he's going to take this all
2:53:24the way to trial? I do. Right now. Have they gotten a discovery yet? No, they have some
2:53:33stuff. Do you think that's going to change when they get them? Do they know that I'm like one of
2:53:39your witnesses? They Yeah. I mean, they have to know. Do they know what you said yet? No.
2:54:31past three months, I barely slept because I've been going through a lot of different emotions
2:54:36because I did I did not see this coming. You went from being my brother, my sister's protector,
2:54:43one of the most loved people in my family to someone I will spend the rest of my life trying
2:54:47to understand. What gave you the right to put your hands on a woman, let alone my best friend,
2:54:52my beloved sister, your daughters, and your son? Why weren't they enough for you? In the blink of
2:54:59an eye, you took away my whole world. The people that mattered to me the most. Everything in my
2:55:04life, I loved your children. They trusted you. They loved you. They looked up to you because you
2:55:10promised to keep them safe. Instead, you turned on your family. My blood is boiling as I write
2:55:16these last words because they are the last you will ever hear from me. I can't even think of the
2:55:21right words to describe the betrayal and the hate I feel. And to be honest, you aren't even worth
2:55:25the time and effort it takes to put my pen to this paper. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't
2:55:31cry for my family. They were my whole world. All I do is ask myself why. Why would you do this?
2:55:37You don't deserve to be called a man. What kind of person slaughters the people that love them
2:55:41the most? Did you really think you would get away with this? Did you really think that this
2:55:46was your best option? To throw away your family like they were garbage? They deserve better and
2:55:51you know it. I hope you spend the rest of your life staring at the ceiling every night being
2:55:55haunted by what you've done. None of us deserved this. Hearing my mother and father cry themselves
2:56:01to sleep in this hotel room causes me anguish that is beyond words. I can't describe how this feels,
2:56:08how badly my heart is breaking for my poor parents. We trusted you. You have taken away
2:56:12my family from this earth, but you can never take them from my heart. You took away my privilege of
2:56:18being an uncle to the most precious little girls I've ever known. I will never hear the
2:56:22words Uncle Frankie again, but you will never be called dad again either. You'll never be able to
2:56:28put your hands on another woman, let alone my best friend, my beloved sister, and your son.
2:56:33I just can't comprehend how they weren't enough for you. Shannan, Bella, and Cece loved you more
2:56:38than anyone. You were their hero. How could you destroy the people who loved them the most? I
2:56:43pray that you never have a moment's peace or a good night's rest in the cage you'll spend every
2:56:47day of your life in. A cage you are privileged to live in because my family isn't evil like
2:56:52you. We beg the district attorney to spare your life despite because despite everything,
2:56:57we believe that no one has the right to take the life of another. even even someone like you. I
2:57:04feel sorry for your family. I know the pain that they must feel knowing that they can't hug you
2:57:08because that's how my mother, father, and I feel every time we cry for our family. Nothing hurts
2:57:13more than watching or hearing my family weep for their loved ones. I just wish that I could tell
2:57:18that that you would tell the truth, but I know that that is asking for more than you are capable
2:57:22of. I stayed up all night writing this statement. I don't sleep because of you. My life will never
2:57:28be the same because of you. But at least my conscience is clear. I get to live free, but I
2:57:33can't say the same for you. I haven't slept in two days because I've been anxiously waiting for this
2:57:38moment. The moment I get to tell you how I feel, how this has affected my family and I. My family
2:57:44and I can finally grieve after today. If anything, we will come out of this stronger today than we
2:57:49were before. And we will continue to pray for your family. Sincerely, Frankie Rousk. Thank you.
2:58:01I wanted to say thank you for this moment. I want to take a moment to
2:58:05thank everyone who has prayed for our beloved family who had sent gifts,
2:58:10cards to us from all over the world. I know God will put the evil people where they need to be.
2:58:16I also want to take the time to thank the town of Frederick, um, Gley, uh, FBI, the DA's office,
2:58:25the CBI for exceptional work. We thank Nicole, um, Atkinson, um, Shannon's neighbor, Nathan,
2:58:34and his family. Um, to me, they're our heroes. They really, they really are. God bless.
2:58:41Um, God makes no mistakes on who he puts in your life. Marriage is about love, trust,
2:58:49and friendship and unity. We marry for sickness and health to death to us part. Our daughter
2:58:55Shannon loved you with all of her heart. Your children loved you to the moon and back. Shannon's
2:59:02family was her world. Shannon put a crown on your head. But unfortunately, the day that you
2:59:10took their life, God removed that crown. We loved you like a son. We trusted you. Your faithful wife
2:59:18trusted you. Your children adored you and they also trusted you. Your daughter, Bella Marie,
2:59:26sang a song proudly. And I don't know if you got to see it, but it was, "Daddy, you're my hero."
2:59:34I have no idea who gave you the right to take their lives,
2:59:44but I know God and his mighty angels were there at that moment to bring them home to
2:59:51paradise. God gives us free will. So, not only did you take the family of four, you

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