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0:01[music]
0:05>> This is Chris Watts speaking to the FBI
0:08and they are about to pile on the
0:10pressure.
0:10>> I just don't believe some of the things
0:12you're telling me.
0:13Okay, I just don't. I simply do not
0:16believe you.
0:21What
0:22What makes you think?
0:23What What have I said that makes you not
0:25believe me at all?
0:27Did his answer there reveal that he
0:28killed his wife and kids? I'll show you
0:30all the signs in this episode and how
0:32when the pressure is on Chris Watts
0:34leaked the truth. Welcome to Never a
0:37Truer Word where we look at the words
0:38that people choose to use to see if
0:40they're telling the truth, the whole
0:41truth, and nothing but the truth. I've
0:44studied the words of thousands of
0:46criminals so I can show you how people
0:48use words to lie, cheat, and manipulate,
0:50and I'll show you what the truth sounds
0:52like, too. So Chris Watts, we know now
0:54that he killed his wife Shannan, two of
0:56his kids Bella and Celeste, um and the
0:59FBI sat down with him shortly after uh
1:01Shannan went missing to find out exactly
1:04what it is that that he knew. And it's
1:06an interview that turns into an
1:08interrogation. 2 hours into the
1:09interview, they pile on the pressure.
1:11Now I've studied Chris Watts before and
1:13I came to the conclusion that with
1:14words, he's a good liar. His words are
1:17actually a lot of the time quite
1:19believable and you know I know people
1:20were very suspicious on that porch
1:22interview. You can watch my breakdown of
1:24that, by the way, on this channel. Uh
1:26but I think a lot of people picked up on
1:27some body language things there, just
1:29instinctive things that put you on edge.
1:31And I think also uh what was missing was
1:34also very suspicious for people, the
1:35things he didn't say. And this is the
1:37same in this interrogation. There are
1:38things missing which I'll cover once
1:40we've listened to everything he has to
1:42say, we'll cover what he didn't say. So
1:45if you want to test yourself against the
1:46words of a good liar, let's do this. I
1:49have a few things for you to listen out
1:50for here and these are things that liars
1:53do, signs that you can spot a liar in
1:56their words. Uh now this is a missing uh
1:59person uh uh case so watch out for past
2:01tense to refer to the missing person, an
2:04indication that that person in the mind
2:06of the person talking is in the past,
2:08they don't exist anymore.
2:10Watch out for persuaders, words that
2:12don't need to be there but really are
2:14there to persuade us that they're
2:16telling the truth or that what they're
2:17talking about really happened. And watch
2:20out for avoidance, that's when someone's
2:21asked a direct question and they don't
2:23really answer that, they answer another
2:25question instead. See if you can spot
2:27those when we listen to Chris Watts
2:30being interrogated by the FBI.
2:33I just don't believe some of the things
2:34you're telling me.
2:36Okay, I just don't. I simply do not
2:38believe you.
2:43What
2:44What makes you think?
2:46What What have I said that makes you not
2:48believe me at all?
2:51This just doesn't make sense to me, it
2:52doesn't add up.
2:54That's the moment where it changed from
2:56interview to interrogation with a lot of
2:58accusation there. The FBI guy says, "I
3:00just don't believe some of the things
3:02you're telling me, okay? I just don't. I
3:05simply do not believe you." And Chris's
3:07response includes stutters which I'll
3:09I'll read out. "What makes you think?
3:12What have I said that makes you not
3:14believe me at all?" Now I can break all
3:17of that down. Number one, the stutters
3:19are showing nerves. Um I I believe and
3:22look, if you were an innocent person or
3:25you were a guilty person when the FBI
3:26say that to you in the middle of an
3:28interview about your missing wife,
3:29you're going to be nervous. And that is
3:31what stuttering indicates a a lot of the
3:33time, a sense of nerves, a certain sense
3:36of internal tension as well, and he
3:38definitely has that.
3:42What he does though is when the
3:43accusation is put to him,
3:45he asks a question in response. He
3:48doesn't make a statement, he doesn't say
3:52anything along the lines of I've been
3:53telling you the truth or this is not any
3:56good because you're after the wrong guy,
3:58let me help you sort this out. He asks a
4:00question. And what does that do? Well,
4:02number one, it buys him some thinking
4:04time
4:05because he's probably like, "Oh crap,
4:08what is going on here? This is not how I
4:10planned for this to go. I thought they
4:12would swallow all the BS that I was
4:13chucking out and then we could move on,
4:15I could go home and I could have a
4:16sleep." But he's in a right jam and so
4:21he probably hasn't prepared what to say.
4:23In fact, he knows that his response to
4:25that is going to be really vital to
4:27trying to get him off the hook, to try
4:28and get him in the clear. And therefore,
4:31he asks a question. He doesn't really
4:33need to ask a question, he's not that
4:35massively interested in the answer,
4:36although yeah, maybe he is trying to
4:38find out a little bit more about
4:39what clearing up do I need to do here or
4:41you know that and that's why he asked
4:42the question. The question buys him
4:45thinking time because our brains,
4:47especially under pressure and we can see
4:49the pressure in the stuttering, they
4:51don't work that fast to to send all
4:52these words down to to our mouths. Most
4:54of the time when we're talking, we we
4:56don't think about what we're saying, our
4:57brain just sends automatic words down
5:00that represent what we've experienced,
5:01what we feel, um and the truth as our
5:03brain knows it. And we take that filter
5:05away and just go, "Let's talk."
5:07>> [sighs and gasps]
5:08>> When you've killed your wife and kids
5:09and you're talking to the FBI, you are
5:12thinking very, very carefully and it
5:15doesn't quickly send those words to your
5:17mouth. So asking a question, buying some
5:19time, gives your brain more time to
5:21catch up and maybe form some words that
5:22you want to say.
5:24The other thing I thought was
5:25interesting there was the question by
5:28the FBI guy is I don't believe some of
5:31the things you're telling me. Now he
5:32does say I simply do not believe you,
5:34but he does say I don't believe some of
5:37the things you're telling me. I I
5:39believe some of it, I don't believe
5:40other bits of it. Some of the things
5:42that you're saying, some of the things
5:43you're saying I don't believe. And what
5:45does he say? "What have I said that
5:47makes you not believe me at all?" Now
5:50that's interesting. Um is that just an
5:53instinctive thing of him going, "Crap,
5:55they don't believe me." But for some
5:56reason, he realizes that the FBI are not
5:59buying his story because he says, "What
6:02have I said that makes you not believe
6:04me at all?"
6:06Right, let's go on with the
6:07interrogation now and the FBI guy is
6:10going to try and get some info out of
6:12Chris. So can we talk about
6:16two Chrises?
6:17The tale of two Chrises, okay?
6:19Chris number one started wondering what
6:21it might be
6:22if he didn't have a wife to take care of
6:24and the girls to take care of and
6:28did something terrible
6:30to his wife and kids.
6:33And that may have been an accident. And
6:35I think it was an accident.
6:39That's not the Chris you're looking at
6:41right now.
6:47No.
6:50Well, the Chris you're looking at is the
6:52man who loves these kids and loves his
6:54wife and will never, ever, ever do
6:56anything to harm them.
6:59That's the Chris you're looking at right
7:01now.
7:03The Chris you're looking at right now
7:04wants these kids and his wife back at
7:07his house right now.
7:11That's the Chris you're looking at.
7:14The FBI guy guy puts to him the thought
7:16that there are two Chrises. Can we talk
7:18about the two Chrises, the tale of two
7:20Chrises? Chris number one started
7:22wondering what it might be like if he
7:24didn't have a wife to take care of and
7:26the girls to take care of and did
7:28something terrible to his wife and kids
7:30and that may have been an accident and I
7:32think it was an accident, which is him
7:33kind of saying just open up, I'm on your
7:35side even though he's blatantly not. And
7:37the first thing I notice is that Chris
7:40Watts doesn't reject there are two
7:42Chrises. Just like previously when he
7:45was said, you know, I don't believe you,
7:47when he was told I don't believe you, he
7:48didn't say, "Everything I've said is the
7:50truth." He didn't, you know, I'm I'm
7:52being honest with you. Um he didn't do
7:55any of that, he just went, "What? What?
7:57Why? Why are you saying this?" Here he
7:59doesn't go, "There are not two Chrises,
8:01there is only me, the concerned parent
8:03and concerned husband here. There's no
8:05two Chrises, what you see is what you
8:07get." He doesn't reject the premise
8:09that's put to him of these two Chrises
8:13because he says, "That's not the Chris
8:15you're looking at right now." Which
8:17takes on the fact that he's tacitly
8:20agreeing that there are two Chrises
8:23um that, you know, frankly, they're our
8:25characters, he's playing parts. Um and
8:28the one that you're looking at right now
8:30is the concerned one. He goes on to say,
8:32"But that still says there is this worse
8:35Chris um elsewhere. That's not the Chris
8:38you're looking at right now. No. And the
8:40Chris you're looking at." So again, you
8:42know, there are
8:43there are these other Chrises that he
8:45could be looking at. "The Chris you're
8:46looking at is the stutters here man who
8:50loves his kids and loves his wife and
8:52will never, ever, ever do anything to
8:55harm them." Right, let's break that one
8:58down. So we've we've covered the fact
8:59that he still is buying into these more
9:01than one Chris idea. And the Chris
9:03you're looking at now is the man who
9:05loves his kids and loves his wife.
9:08Ordering, very important. When we give
9:10lists of things um in our speech, the
9:12first thing we say is often the most
9:13important thing to us and then it goes
9:15down in decreasing priority.
9:18He says there he loves his kids and
9:20loves his wife. Something there saying
9:22that um he loves his kids more than his
9:25wife.
9:26Love, strange concept for for Chris
9:28Watts, I get you. But you know, almost
9:31to me
9:31>> [clears throat]
9:31>> were the kids collateral damage, he
9:33didn't really want to do very much with
9:34them but he had no choice
9:36um there. But kids came before wife. I
9:38think more than anything it says a bit
9:40of distance there from the wife. Think
9:42of how uh many, many men refer to their
9:46family, wife and kids. Wife comes first,
9:48kids come second, very normally it's the
9:50a chronological order as well, often
9:53uh wife and then kids. Uh but he he's
9:55kids and wife, so that's unexpected
9:58there And that would say to me, I think
9:59we've got a bit of distance from the
10:01wife because she hasn't come first. And
10:03then he says, "And will never ever ever
10:05do anything to harm them." So much in
10:08there, okay? Will never ever, so not
10:11hasn't harmed them. And there's no
10:13denial there that he hasn't done any
10:15harm to them in the past, which is what
10:17we're talking about now. Will is in the
10:19future.
10:20I haven't ever run a marathon.
10:23I will never run a marathon. Two
10:25different things
10:27um there.
10:29Mean very different things. And what
10:31he's said there is will never ever do
10:33anything to harm them. Then he's overly
10:36persuasive here. Never ever ever. He
10:38couldn't just, you know, I you should
10:40have said, "I did not harm them." But he
10:42can't say, "Will not harm them." or
10:44"Would not harm them." or anything like
10:46that. It's never ever ever. Never is a
10:48word to watch out for deception all the
10:50time. Never sounds a very concrete not
10:53at any time, but people use it to mean
10:55um not not really. Um never ever ever do
10:58anything to harm them.
11:01Um and that is downplaying
11:04um what could have gone on. And by the
11:06way, you know, he's been accused of of,
11:08you know, doing, you know, bad things to
11:10them. You know, look at the accusation
11:11that's put to him.
11:12Um you did something terrible to your
11:14wife and kids. And he takes that
11:15something terrible and just turns it
11:17down to
11:18harm them. He softens the severity of
11:21what he's been accused of, which is
11:22something guilty people do a lot. He
11:25says, "That's the Chris you're looking
11:26at right now." So, still these more than
11:28one Chris is going on. The Chris you're
11:30looking at right now wants these kids
11:33and his wife back at his house right
11:35now. That's the Chris you're looking at.
11:37Now, that middle bit, the Chris you're
11:39looking at right now wants these kids
11:41and his wife back in his house right
11:44now.
11:45I believe that. He's probably regretting
11:48what he's done, which is why this is
11:50not, although it doesn't have any of
11:51those persuaders like never ever do
11:53anything to harm them, it's very simple
11:55and straightforward. Uh wants these kids
11:57and his wife back at his house right
11:59now. I believe that. I think there's
12:00some regret going on there. And it's
12:03much easier. When you're being
12:04interrogated by the FBI or when your
12:06partner's asking you some awkward
12:08questions, it is much easier to tell the
12:10truth. Um and so even people who've done
12:12very bad things like Chris Watts will
12:14tell the truth as much as possible. And
12:16that I think is one of his lines of
12:17truth. Do notice though that it's back
12:19at his house right now. Uh not my sorry,
12:23not our house, which, you know, family
12:25home.
12:26Um or at home with me, you know, like a
12:28really close pronoun there. It's he
12:31wants his kids and his wife. Um sorry,
12:34these kids and his wife back at his home
12:37right now. Uh that's the Chris you're
12:39looking at. A little bit later on in
12:41this interrogation, one of my favorite
12:43questions that can be asked in an
12:44interrogation will come up, which is
12:47wow, uh you know, the it's just it's so
12:49such a good question
12:52um to ask. And the answers are always
12:54really really revealing about what the
12:57person has done. Right, the suspicions
13:00continue for the FBI guy, and he starts
13:02laying out some of them.
13:04Why didn't you call 911?
13:07I didn't think anything was wrong.
13:10I think you knew what was wrong. I did
13:12not know what was wrong, sir.
13:15I promise you that.
13:22What do you think it's going to look
13:23like
13:25when someone finds out that it was not
13:28you that called 911?
13:33Everybody's going to have their own
13:34perception about what's going on here.
13:36But
13:38I know my wife. I know
13:41that sometimes she doesn't text me back.
13:43I know that happens.
13:46I've I've I've been that It's happened
13:48multiple times. Throughout
13:50many days. If she's busy with work,
13:53it doesn't happen.
13:57That's why it didn't register for me
13:59that day.
14:03"Why didn't you call 911?" he's asked.
14:06He says, "I didn't think anything was
14:08wrong." "I think you knew what was
14:11wrong." says the FBI guy. And then we
14:13get a classic, I would say, marker of
14:17deception answer. Chris Watts says, "I
14:20did not know what was wrong, sir. I
14:22promise you that."
14:25So much to break down there. Number one,
14:27he doesn't say, "I didn't know anything
14:29was wrong." Why didn't you call 911? I
14:30didn't think anything was wrong. Didn't,
14:32he says there. He makes it all small and
14:35casual. Um and then when he's asked the
14:36big question, "I think you knew what was
14:39wrong." he goes formal. Um often we go
14:42formal to make us sound more believable
14:43when we're lying, and we use the big
14:45words because we think it gives us more
14:47gravitas. So, if someone's speaking
14:49properly and not, you know, making uh
14:51abbreviations, then well, they're a real
14:53proper person, an educated person. They
14:55can't possibly have murdered their wife
14:57and kids. I did not know what was wrong,
15:00sir. And that sir, that feels like a
15:03manipulative sir. I'm giving you
15:04respect. You're the sir. I'm just a
15:06lowly person here. I've given you all
15:09the respect. Please feel better on me
15:10because I'm giving you respect. We see
15:12it a lot, funnily enough, talking to 911
15:14calls. When someone calls a 911
15:17um emergency and and they're guilty,
15:19they've done something and they're
15:20reporting their own crime, they're very
15:21often extremely polite to the operator
15:24because their first move law enforcement
15:27and people connected with law
15:28enforcement on their side. I think
15:31that's what's going on here. And it's a
15:32pattern we'll see as we go through this
15:34interrogation. So, I did not formal know
15:37what was wrong, sir. Little bit of
15:38respect, please like me. There's a
15:40little pause, and then he says, "I
15:42promise you that." And that is him again
15:44working hard to persuade that what he
15:47says is true. Truthful people tell the
15:49truth. Uh what you will get sometimes is
15:52if your honesty is challenged, then you
15:54you might go, "No, honestly, is this
15:56really happened?" or "That's really what
15:57happened." or "I promise you." But he's
15:59not being challenged here. It's there's
16:01a bit of silence, and he says, "I
16:02promise you that." And he says, "I
16:04promise you that." Which, you know,
16:07number one, when someone's te- telling
16:09you they're being honest all of a
16:11sudden, there you you've got two
16:12choices. Were they not being honest all
16:14the other times that they didn't tell me
16:15they were being honest? Or are they
16:17lying? And what they're doing is, you
16:19know, saying they're honest to make it
16:20sound more believable, to make it sound
16:22more true because, "Oh, I'm being
16:24honest." Um I promise you that it is
16:27falls into the same category. And I
16:28promise you that, well, that is is what
16:32he just said. I did not know what was
16:34wrong, sir. Does that mean everything
16:36else that he hasn't promised that it's
16:37not that is not true? He's kind of
16:41bringing into here for me the concept
16:43that I promise you that, but the rest of
16:46it is all absolute BS.
16:52Next is he's asked, "What do you think
16:54it's going to look like when someone
16:55finds out it was not you that called
16:56911?" His response is, "Everybody's
17:00going to have their own perception about
17:01what's going on here, but I know my
17:03wife. I know that sometimes she doesn't
17:05text back." So, he doesn't answer the
17:07question. What do you think it is going
17:09to look like? Bad.
17:12Maybe some people will give me the
17:13benefit of the doubt. That would be a
17:14direct answer to the question. Instead,
17:16he just talks about everybody.
17:17Everybody's going to have their own
17:18perception about what's going on here.
17:20Um and then he goes extra because that
17:23sort of deals with what's going there.
17:25It's not a direct answer, but then he
17:26goes extra and talks about knowing his
17:28wife. But I know my wife. I know that
17:30sometimes she doesn't text back. And
17:33also, you'll notice that there's a
17:35little bit of distance going on here
17:36because he's talking about what he
17:38knows, not what happens. So, it's not I
17:41know my wife and she doesn't text back
17:43all the time. That would be what
17:44happens. That would be experience.
17:45That's the the words of experience.
17:47However,
17:49there's a little bit more distance. It's
17:50not what he's experienced, it's what he
17:52knows. And is that just something he's
17:54convinced himself he must know to get
17:56away with this cover story? I know that
17:58sometimes she doesn't text me back.
18:01Then he says, "I know that happens." So,
18:03it's the same experience. It's not that
18:04happens. It's It's I know that happens.
18:07And then we have something very
18:09stuttery, and I'll read that out. I I've
18:11been that It's happened multiple times
18:14throughout many days. If she's busy with
18:16work, it
18:17doesn't happen. So, we've got those
18:18nerves again. Uh so, on the back of I
18:20promise you that, he probably thinks,
18:22"I'm a little bit on the ropes here. I
18:24have to promise. I have to persuade." Um
18:26and then he gets a little bit stuttery.
18:28What what what what what What is it that
18:29I can say that gets me off here? And,
18:31you you know, it's he's thinking
18:33um and his brain is not sending the
18:35words down fast enough to his mouth, so
18:36he has to stutter. I I've been that that
18:39It's happened multiple times throughout
18:40many days. Now he's telling us what is
18:42what has happened, but it's happened
18:43multiple times throughout many days. If
18:45she's busy with work, it just doesn't
18:46happen. And I've sensed there
18:49um a little bit of annoyance that
18:52Shannan didn't give him the full
18:53attention there, and he he's noticed
18:55that. If she's busy with work, it just
18:56doesn't happen. And that's why it didn't
18:58register for me that day. I'm curious
19:01about his use of that day. Did it, you
19:03know, did did it register for him other
19:05days?
19:06Uh you know, or is he just saying that,
19:09you know, it's one of the most memorable
19:10memorable days in his life, but that's
19:13why it didn't register for me that day.
19:16Now, one of the things sometimes really
19:19overlooked when we're detecting
19:20deception in people's words are
19:22contradictions. That's when someone says
19:24one thing, and then later on they say
19:26another thing. And we've got some
19:28contradictions coming up now
19:30um in the next ti- in the next section.
19:32Contradictions, they're uh a big tell
19:35because lying is hard. Lying about
19:37something is really hard. You have to
19:39make up a whole load of things that you
19:41just hadn't had to make up made up
19:42before. And as well as knowing what
19:44actually happened, and that's inside
19:46your head and your memory, you have to
19:47have another part of your head devoted
19:48to the lie you made up to keep track of
19:50it. That's hard. Um and sometimes that
19:53will come out through contradictions.
19:55So, listen for some contradictions from
19:56Chris Watts here.
19:58We're back to a tale of two Chrises,
19:59Chris. Okay.
20:01There's a Chris who cares.
20:03Um,
20:05I care. I promise.
20:07Tell me about the call to your daycare.
20:10To the Primrose?
20:12I called them to see if the girls were
20:13there.
20:15They said they weren't there. Okay.
20:18I told them since they weren't there,
20:19just put them back on the waiting list.
20:21>> That's not what you told them.
20:24I told them that we were going to sell
20:25the house.
20:26We're going to put it on the market and
20:27we're not going to be in the area
20:28anymore. That's two different things,
20:30Chris.
20:31Well, I wanted them to be back on I put
20:33them on the waiting list since they
20:35weren't there.
20:37Why weren't they there?
20:39I don't know. Where were they going to
20:40go?
20:41They went to a Shannan took them to a
20:43friend's house. Why wouldn't they go to
20:45daycare?
20:47I am not sure.
20:48I honestly, sir, I am not sure.
20:57It's hard for me as a father to talk to
20:59you about this. I know.
21:00Not because it's a hard issue to talk
21:02about.
21:03It's because
21:05I'm worried about your daughters under
21:06your care.
21:09You shouldn't have to worry about them
21:11under my care.
21:12Okay. I watched them all weekend.
21:16I went to went to a pool party went to a
21:18pool party at Jeremy Lindstrom's house.
21:21It's like I love those kids
21:24with all my heart.
21:28And nothing in this world would ever
21:29make me do anything to these kids
21:31or my wife.
21:34Okay.
21:36We're back to a tale of two Chrises,
21:37says the FBI guy. There's a Chris who
21:39cares. Chris says, I I care. I promise.
21:42A stutter again, and it's the stutter on
21:44the I which often indicates what comes
21:47next isn't quite true.
21:49Um, um, psychologically we just have
21:51trouble joining ourselves to through the
21:53phrase I to what comes next. I I care. I
21:57promise, he says. Once more, he's
21:59persuading us he's telling the truth
22:01with I promise. Tell me about the call
22:03to your daycare. And he says, to the
22:05Primrose? I think that is buying
22:07thinking time. Your day I mean, look,
22:09correct me if I'm wrong, they only have
22:11one daycare. Uh, so he says, to the
22:13Primrose, which I think is just buying
22:15time to think of what are the right
22:16words to use here in the answer. Uh,
22:20and he obviously finds them. He says, I
22:21called them to see if the girls were
22:22there. They said they weren't there. I
22:25told them since they weren't there, just
22:26put them back on the waiting list. Now,
22:28I don't quite understand the waiting
22:30list thing. If you could let me know in
22:31the comments, um, if you can about how
22:34the waiting list is relevant, how it
22:36works, because it seems to be that the
22:37kids were missing a day's daycare, going
22:39on the waiting list. I don't get it. I
22:41don't understand this part of what
22:42they're saying. However, what I have got
22:44here is, I told them since they weren't
22:47there, just put them back on the waiting
22:49list. And just often is a word used to
22:52hide so many things. It makes what what
22:55happens next feel really small, casual.
22:56Just ignore this. It's just a small
22:58thing. Just put them back on the waiting
23:00list. That's all that happened. Don't
23:02ask any questions. It's very trivial.
23:04I'm using the word just to make it sound
23:06as small as I can. What we find out is
23:09that's not exactly what he told them.
23:12Um, and he was lying there. Um, and the
23:15indicator he was lying there is that
23:16just indicates lies and things being
23:19hidden so often.
23:21The FBI guy says to him, that's not what
23:23you told them.
23:24Chris doesn't take that on at all. He
23:27just says something else. And this is
23:28the contradiction that the FBI guy has
23:31noticed. I told them that we were going
23:33to sell the house. We were going to put
23:34it on the market. We probably wouldn't
23:36be in the area anymore. Now, this one
23:39interests me because he uses the pronoun
23:41we all the way through it. We We noticed
23:44earlier he was talking about,
23:46uh, his
23:47his wife, his house,
23:49uh, you know, really personal owning it
23:51with the the pronouns there. Well, here
23:53he is talking in shared pronouns. So, I
23:56don't know, maybe there was a
23:57conversation with Shannan,
23:58um, about what was going to happen about
24:00the property and the kids and so on,
24:02because he uses we. We were going to
24:04sell the house. We were going to put it
24:06on the market. We probably wouldn't be
24:08in the area anymore.
24:10The FBI guy is not letting him away with
24:11the contradictions. That's two different
24:13things, Chris.
24:14Chris says, well, I wanted them to be
24:16back on on put them on on the waiting
24:19list since they weren't there. Don't
24:21understand it, but you can hear the
24:23stutters from the guy. Well, I wanted
24:25them to be back on on put them on on the
24:28waiting list since they weren't there.
24:30So, he's realizing once more, and we can
24:32see this every time that pressure goes
24:34on, the stuttering continues with this
24:37guy cuz he's nervous. Now, look,
24:39that would happen if he was innocent. If
24:41I was innocent and in the same
24:42situation, I'd be nervous as hell there.
24:44But, you can see when the stuttering
24:47starts with him, it's when he's really
24:48being pushed on like contradictions. He
24:51also starts his answer there with well.
24:53That's two different things, Chris.
24:54Well, that means you're going to get an
24:56explanation, not a direct answer. He
24:58doesn't actually say it's two different
25:00things, both of them happened, um, at
25:02all. He, uh, explains one of the things,
25:05well, and then it isn't an explanation.
25:07It's not quite an answer to the
25:09question. And then for me, we do get
25:11contradictions. Why weren't they they
25:13there? This is talking about the
25:14daycare. He says, I don't know. Which is
25:16usually an indicator that someone is
25:19being truthful. Truthful people don't
25:21mind saying, I don't know. Liars feel
25:23like they have to have an answer for
25:24everything, so they will, you know,
25:25concoct something or talk smart words so
25:28that if you feel like you've had an
25:30answer. Truthful people usually say, I
25:32don't know.
25:33Um, and he says, I don't know. Which is
25:35a great reminder there isn't one magic
25:37word or phrase that says a lie is
25:39happening or says the truth is
25:40happening. It's all about patterns. It's
25:41all about studying as many words as we
25:44can.
25:45Where were they going to go?
25:48They went to, uh, Shannan took them to a
25:50friend's house is what he said. He
25:52didn't know a minute ago. Why weren't
25:54they there? I don't know. And now
25:56Shannan took them to a friend's house?
25:58I'd make it make sense what is going on
26:00here. We've got contradictions galore
26:02for me. He didn't know why they weren't
26:04at daycare. Then he's saying that
26:05Shannan took them to a friend's house.
26:07Also, where were they going to go? They
26:08went to
26:10I I think he was going to say they went
26:11to a friend's house or something like
26:12that. But then he stops
26:14because they went to is passive.
26:17It doesn't say who put them where they
26:20are. And we all know who put them where
26:22they were when he was talking. And then
26:24he gives Shannan ownership of it. And
26:25it's the only time in this part,
26:27um, I think that he uses Shannan's name.
26:29Shannan took them to a friend's house.
26:32Why wouldn't they go to daycare? He
26:34says, I'm not sure.
26:37A minute ago he didn't know.
26:38Uh, now, um, Shannan took them to a
26:40friend's house.
26:42But, um, but I'm not sure, uh, is
26:45interesting because that's very
26:47different from I don't know. Think of
26:49I'm not sure.
26:50Are you going to go out on Saturday
26:51night? I'm not sure. Means you have two
26:53things you're just not certain which one
26:55of the two of them is going to be. You
26:57know, am I going to go out on Saturday
26:58night? No, I'm I'm staying in, um, this
27:01Saturday night.
27:02Um, if I was invited out, but, you know,
27:05I wasn't very keen on it or something
27:06like that, I might say, I'm not sure.
27:07And that's what we've got here. So, he's
27:10I don't know. Then he does know. Then
27:11he's not sure. Then we have more
27:14convincing persuasive language.
27:16Honestly, sir, I'm not sure. And we've
27:18got the sir there again. Remember that?
27:20Um, I promise you, sir. Well, now we
27:22have honestly, sir,
27:24um, there that respectful sir. When he's
27:26trying to slip through a big lie, uh, he
27:29uses that sir there.
27:31Then there's a big pause.
27:33And the FBI guy says to him, it's hard
27:35for me as a father to talk to you about
27:37this. I know, says, um, uh, Chris. Not
27:40because it's a hard issue to talk about.
27:42It's because I'm worried about your
27:43daughters under your care.
27:45And he says, you shouldn't have to worry
27:47about them under my care. I watched them
27:50all weekend. I'll start with the end
27:52first there. I watched them all weekend
27:54is a resume statement. It's saying how
27:56great he is. You know, it's a little bit
27:58of evidence. It's a little bit of, look
28:00how good I am. It's like a reference,
28:01you know. This is how good I am. I
28:03watched them all weekend. Whoop-di-do
28:06for the dad that watched these kids all
28:07weekend, one weekend. Not any great
28:11length of evidence here,
28:13um, about, you know, since they were
28:14born, um, I've been caring for them. No,
28:17he just watched them at the weekend.
28:20But, the most worrying thing there, did
28:21you spot it? You shouldn't have to worry
28:24about them under my care. That's true.
28:26You shouldn't have to worry about kids
28:28under the care of their father. Not
28:31you don't have to worry about them or
28:32there's nothing to worry about or I care
28:34for my kids a lot. Just you shouldn't
28:37you shouldn't have to worry about them.
28:39Not don't worry about them.
28:41He then more of this resume saying what
28:43a great time they had at the weekend cuz
28:45super dad looked after them for two,
28:46three days.
28:48I went to went to a pool party. I went
28:50to a pool party at Jeremy Lindstrom's
28:52house. Look at the repetition there. I
28:53think this again is buying himself time,
28:56uh, to think about what it is that he
28:57wants to say. Um, so he could have said,
28:59I went to a pool party. I went to a pool
29:02party. Six words.
29:04Um, instead he said, I went to
29:06went to a pool party. Um, and then we've
29:10got 14 words. I went to a pool party at
29:12Jeremy Lindstrom's house. So, he could
29:13have said that in six words. It was 14
29:16words. That's doubling the amount of
29:18thinking time he has. Uh, and while
29:20we're repeating ourselves, it's easy to
29:21repeat yourself. Uh, you can do some
29:24more thinking there. So, he's freeing up
29:26brain capacity there cuz he's on the
29:28ropes.
29:29Then he says, it's like I love those
29:31kids with all my heart. Nothing in this
29:33world would ever make me do anything to
29:35these kids or my wife.
29:39It's like I love those kids. Not I do
29:41love those kids. It's just like I love
29:43the kids, which is very much talking
29:44about an appearance or what something
29:46seems like rather than what the truth
29:48is. Lots of us do lean on likes, you
29:51know, it's like, I love my kids, or I'm
29:53like, I don't know what I want to do
29:54this weekend. We use like as a little
29:56bit of a crutch. There's not much
29:57evidence of him doing this in this
30:00interrogation. So, for me, it's another
30:02red flag. It's like, I love my kids. I
30:04I'm trying to tell you this is like
30:06loving my kids. But, he doesn't say my
30:08kids. I love those kids, which is very
30:12distant. So, someone talking about those
30:15kids, not I love my kids, especially
30:17when they're missing.
30:19I love my kids with all my heart. Again,
30:21he's just adding that.
30:23You You either love someone or you don't
30:24love someone. I love them with all my
30:26heart is just more persuasive language
30:28to to try and get across and intensify
30:30the message that he's trying to deliver
30:32because he worries that it won't be
30:34believed if he just says straight, I
30:35love my kids. So, he feels like, I I
30:37love my kids with all love those kids,
30:39sorry, with all my heart. Then, nothing
30:42in this world would ever make me do
30:45anything to these kids. So, that again,
30:47it's not I didn't do anything to them.
30:50It's future. I wouldn't do anything to
30:52them. Nothing in this world would ever
30:54make me do anything to these kids. And
30:57again, there's a downplaying
30:59there of, you know, the the guy saying
31:01here, you know, you've killed your kids.
31:03And he's downplaying all that to do
31:06anything to these kids, which
31:09Yeah, don't don't don't believe that at
31:10all. So, there's so many red flags here.
31:13And his wife comes second.
31:16And she wasn't being mentioned. This was
31:18all about the kids and how good a father
31:20he was and the FBI guy saying, I don't
31:22worry about these kids in your care.
31:24This wasn't about his wife, but he feels
31:25he has to add her in. She's a second
31:27thought. And
31:29Um you know, he hasn't been asked about
31:31it her He hasn't been asked about her at
31:34all.
31:35Have you heard of the safety of the
31:36crowd? Liars do this a lot, which is
31:38when they don't just they they borrow
31:40authority from other people. So, you
31:42know, if our manipulators do this, so if
31:46a manipulator wants you to go out on
31:47Saturday night, which seems to be the
31:48theme of my
31:50the talk tonight,
31:52they might say, instead of saying, I'd
31:53love you to come out with me on Saturday
31:55night, it'll be, people say you're
31:56boring and stay home all weekend. You
31:58know, and they're borrowing from that
31:59people thing. You should come out on
32:01Saturday night. So, they aren't just
32:02saying their own point of view, they're
32:03amplifying it by talking about other
32:06people. Well, the FBI guy is going to
32:08use that exact same technique in an
32:10interview in the inter interrogation in
32:13just a moment.
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33:16with me. Let's go back to the
33:18interrogation now and Chris Watts
33:20talking to the FBI. When you walk out of
33:22this room,
33:24there's nothing I can say to a room full
33:26of police officers that's going to
33:27convince them
33:29that you have nothing to do with this. I
33:31know.
33:31Do you know what they think? I I know
33:33all the all the Yeah. Here's a guy who
33:35didn't call 911,
33:38who woke his wife wife up at a
33:40ridiculous hour because he was so guilty
33:43about something that he had to get it
33:44off his chest and say, I don't love you
33:46anymore, I'm leaving you.
33:49It didn't go well.
33:53Okay, so what happened?
33:55She told me she wanted me to wake her up
33:57before I left.
33:59That's why I didn't just wake her up
34:00like
34:02just to tell her this. Like, I woke her
34:04up.
34:05That's what she wanted to do and we
34:06talked.
34:07Like, usually at 4:00 a.m. I wake up, I
34:09go down and work out.
34:11This day, I wanted to talk to her about
34:13this.
34:14So, there's the FBI guy borrowing the
34:16authority of others
34:18in the police station. When you walk out
34:20of this room, there's nothing I can say
34:21to a room full of police officers that's
34:23going to convince them that you have
34:24nothing to do with this. Chris says, I
34:27know. Now, that is one of the shortest,
34:28most direct answers he gives in this
34:31entire interrogation. And that's what
34:33the truth sounds like. The you know,
34:34really simple, straightforward. Chris
34:36does know this. The detective says to
34:38him, you know they think. And we get
34:40another stuttery answer, which says, I I
34:43know all of the all the Yeah. So, once
34:46more, you know, when the pressure is put
34:48on, you know what these police officers
34:49think, I eat the people investigating
34:51you, the stutter starts again. I I know
34:55all of the all the Yeah, very nervous
34:58stutter.
35:00From the FBI guy, here's a guy who
35:01didn't call 911, who woke his wife up at
35:04a ridiculous hour because he was so
35:06guilty about something that he had to
35:07get it off his chest and say, I don't
35:09love you no more, I'm leaving you. That
35:11didn't go well. Okay, so what happened?
35:14Now, check the pronouns in the answer
35:16from Chris Watts, which is
35:18she told me she wanted me to wake her up
35:21before I left. That's why I didn't just
35:24wake her up like that.
35:26Like just to tell her this. Like, I woke
35:28her up. That's what she wanted to do and
35:31we talked.
35:33Little bit stuttery.
35:34Little bit of the likes in there. So, I
35:36think again, it's not really what
35:38happened, but just look at the pronouns.
35:39It's all
35:41apart. She told me she wanted me to wake
35:45her up. So, these are the actions of two
35:47different people.
35:50This could have been said as a
35:51collective thing. We agreed I would wake
35:52her up when I got up. But no, she told
35:55me that she wanted me to wake her up
35:57before I left. That's why I didn't just
36:00wake her up. So, we still have these two
36:02different actions there from the
36:03pronouns or actors there from the
36:04pronouns. Just to tell her like I woke
36:07her up. That's what she wanted to do and
36:11we talked. So, we have all these these
36:13two actors until it comes to talking. We
36:16talked. We have that joint pronoun in
36:17there and I think they did talk at some
36:20point. I think a lot more happened, but
36:22I definitely think there was some
36:23talking there because of the way he
36:25changes his pronouns.
36:28Then he says, like, usually at 4:00 a.m.
36:31I wake up, I go down and work out. This
36:33day, I wanted to talk to her about this.
36:37So many red flags in there. Let's do the
36:39pronouns first. Again, it is two
36:41different people. I wake up, I go down
36:44and work out. This day, I wanted to talk
36:46to her about this.
36:48So, it's the two different actors are
36:49back there. He's definitely the one that
36:51wanted to talk. Although we talked, he
36:53was the one that wanted to talk.
36:56He says, usually at 4:00 a.m. I wake up,
36:58I go down and work out. Now, that's him
37:00talking about what usually happens
37:01because, you know, the
37:02the FBI guy puts to him this scenario
37:04that you wanted to get her up at 4:00 so
37:06you could be really horrible to her at
37:084:00 in the morning. And he wants to
37:10soften all that and say, well, look,
37:12this is what usually happens. This is
37:14nice nice, Chris. You know, usually at
37:164:00 a.m. I wake up and I work out.
37:18But this day, I wanted to talk to her
37:21about this. That doesn't say they
37:22actually did talk about that. It's It's
37:24what his intention was, wanting to talk
37:26about this, but only an intention.
37:28And then talk about this. Again, you
37:31know, the the FBI guy puts quite a
37:34specific in there. That you wanted to
37:37say something, you feel guilty, you want
37:39to get it off your chest, you want to
37:40say, I don't love you anymore, I'm
37:41leaving you.
37:43And that is all softened down to just
37:45this by Chris Watts. So many red flags
37:48in his words if you know what to look
37:50for. Sometimes, it's what's missing. And
37:53have you spotted anything missing yet
37:55that you would expect to hear from Chris
37:56Watts that you haven't heard? I'll go
37:58through all of them once we've listened
37:59to what he does have to say. But
38:01sometimes, sometimes silence speaks
38:04louder than words. And this next section
38:06starts with a very uncomfortable
38:08silence. And this is a great
38:09interrogation technique because often,
38:12the person under pressure, the person
38:13who's stuttering, the person who feels
38:15against he's against the ropes, feels
38:17like he has to break the silence and say
38:19something. And what that something is
38:20can often be very instructive. Here's an
38:23uncomfortable silence.
38:39I love these girls.
38:41I love these girls so much. And this
38:44picture right here,
38:46Celeste and Bella,
38:48those are my life.
38:50I'm I helped make those kids.
38:53There's nothing in my life
38:55that means more to me than these kids.
39:00Nothing.
39:02Kids, that's that's your life. That's
39:04your lifeline.
39:06That's everything. Like, you make kids,
39:08they're they come first before anything.
39:10Kids, spouse, family.
39:13That's what it's always been.
39:21Nothing you've told me tonight makes
39:23sense.
39:24Nothing you've told me tonight feels
39:26like the truth.
39:32Can we start over? Sure.
39:36We'll start over shortly. There's that
39:39long pause
39:41that he has to fill and say something.
39:44And what he says is, "I love these
39:46girls." Now, once more, when I say that
39:49I found Chris Watts to be quite good
39:52sometimes um with his words when he's
39:54lying, he states that in the present
39:56tense uh very often. Someone who knows
39:58that people are gone will use the past
40:00tense just by by accident. They'll slip
40:02into the past tense cuz uh that's
40:03natural. Our tense use is very
40:05instinctive.
40:07Um uh but no, he says, "I love these
40:10girls." Present tense. "I love these
40:12girls so much." And this picture right
40:14here, Celeste and Bella, those are my
40:16life. Now, those is is interesting. I
40:19get he could say these because he's
40:20talking about a picture. "These girls
40:22are my life." Um although, you know, "My
40:24girls are my life." would be a whole lot
40:26closer and make me feel a lot better
40:27about it, but uh "Those are my life."
40:30is, you know, when do you describe
40:32something as those? That's like a pair
40:34of socks. Those have seen better days.
40:36But no, he talks about his children,
40:38Celeste and Bella. "Those are my life."
40:41Then he says, "I helped make those
40:42kids." We've got those kids again. Um
40:44and also, "I helped make those kids."
40:47Now, this could go one of two ways. He
40:49could be talking about, you know,
40:50educating, uh caring, nurturing, making
40:53them the person they are today, or is it
40:55just a sexual thing? Uh because that's
40:57how you make kids. I don't know which
41:00one it is, but I didn't like it. I
41:01didn't like "I helped make those kids."
41:03Uh also, it's in the past tense
41:05suggesting, you know, that um that is is
41:08over.
41:09Then he says, "There's nothing in my
41:10life that means more to me than these
41:12kids. Nothing." "Kids, that's that's
41:15your life. That's your lifeline." Bit
41:17stuttery again because maybe he just
41:19hoped that he'd say, "I love those
41:21kids." and the FBI would go, "Right,
41:22okay, convinced. Call off all uh looking
41:25into you. Let's go and find out what's
41:27happened here." And he realizes it's not
41:29working. The guy's not buying it.
41:31"There's nothing in my life that means
41:32more to me than these kids. Nothing.
41:34Kids, that's your" So, he's not talking
41:36about himself. He's not saying "These
41:38kids are my life." He's saying "That's
41:41your" And then he says, "your lifeline."
41:43Now, that is interesting. If he'd said
41:45"Those kids are my life." then great,
41:48but he's talking about someone else.
41:49Your kid uh your life. And then he says,
41:52"lifeline." Which is very possible that
41:55he is in such dire trouble right now
41:57that in his head he's looking for a
41:59lifeline. And that word is one that came
42:01out naturally because is his brain is
42:03experiencing this look for a lifeline.
42:06And therefore, it came out naturally to
42:08say lifeline because I think that's what
42:11he is looking for in this interrogation.
42:13"That's everything." He says, "Like, you
42:15make kids." We've got make again. "They
42:18come first before anything. Kids,
42:20spouse, family, that's what it's always
42:22been." Now, he says that's everything,
42:24which we all know isn't true, you know.
42:26Um people
42:27who have kids, it's not everything. They
42:30might have a favorite sports team as
42:32well. They might have friends and so on.
42:34They might come above everything, but
42:35they're not everything. He's talking in
42:36an absolute, which is another persuasive
42:39term, a convincing term to get across to
42:41us. "That's everything. Like, you make
42:43kids." Make again, yeah, I've said that.
42:45"They come first before anything." Now,
42:46that's more believable. That's not
42:48"That's everything." "They come first."
42:49is more believable. "Kids, spouse,
42:52family." Now, you'll notice he's being
42:55very conceptual about them. He's not
42:57saying calling them by name or or owning
42:59them with, you know, my kids or or, you
43:01know, anything like that. Just kids.
43:03Just kids come first. He's talking about
43:05how life should be, if you like. Then
43:07spouse, which again, look, it's no
43:10secret. Obviously, he had killed Shannan
43:12by at this point and and the kids uh
43:15that there was a lot of issues between
43:17Chris and Shannan or or on Chris's side.
43:20Um but he refers to her there as spouse.
43:24If he was genuinely the husband who was
43:27mystified by the disappearance of his
43:30wife, I would expect to hear Shannan or
43:32or my wife or something like that. That
43:34would be a hell of a lot closer than the
43:36term spouse, which is really what used
43:39on forms and so on. You know, that's how
43:41formal that term is. It's on forms. Um
43:44and we have him referring to spouse. So,
43:47if I was the FBI guy, I'd be going, "Do
43:48you know what? He's referring to Shannan
43:50as spouse at this point. There is some
43:52issues going on there." And then, I said
43:55he talked in the present tense about the
43:57kids. "I love um these kids." he said
43:59earlier. "That's what it's always been."
44:02It's in the past. It's behind him now.
44:04It's gone. Uh having your kids first,
44:07and that's him leaking out there. Not
44:09"That's what it is." "That's how it is."
44:11Uh "You know, my kids come first." No,
44:13that's how it's been. Not how it is now.
44:18And then,
44:19after that heartfelt plea, the FBI guy
44:21says, "Nothing you've told me tonight
44:22makes sense. Nothing you've told me
44:24tonight feels like the truth. Can we
44:26start over?" And once more, when the FBI
44:29guy puts real blockers up in front of
44:31him, like "I don't believe a word you're
44:32saying." uh he doesn't deny it. He
44:35doesn't say, you know, "Look, I'm
44:37telling you the truth." He just goes,
44:40"Sure." He doesn't push back against
44:42that allegation. That's there for him a
44:45lot. Right, that question I love is
44:47coming up, but now we're going to hear
44:49him being asked about the last time he
44:50saw Shannan and the kids.
44:53I think that
44:58there's something that happened
45:01that got maybe a little bit out of
45:03control.
45:05There was no fight. There was nothing
45:08physical.
45:09It was a no It was a conversation. There
45:11was There's no We didn't raise our
45:12voice. Nothing.
45:19I promised you that, sir. There was
45:20There was nothing physical with this
45:22conversation.
45:27What was the last thing
45:29What was the last thing you saw about
45:31your daughters?
45:33Last thing I saw, like when I left.
45:34>> What did it look like?
45:37I saw them in the monitor as it was
45:39switching back
45:40>> and forth. What's the last thing you saw
45:41with your wife?
45:43She was laying back in bed as I was
45:45walking out the door. Walking out the
45:47bedroom door. Okay.
45:54The first thing I want to point out here
45:55is that Chris's answer to the first
45:57question tells us lots about what didn't
45:59happen, not what did happen. Uh which is
46:02shows us where his focus is. The FBI guy
46:05says to him, "I think that there's
46:07something that happened that got maybe a
46:09little bit out of control." Uh and
46:10again, we have stutters, which I will
46:12read out in the answer. "There was no
46:14fight. There was nothing physical. It
46:16was a no It was a conversation. There
46:19was There's no We didn't raise our
46:21voice. Nothing. I promise you that, sir.
46:23There was There was nothing physical
46:25with this conversation." Excuse
46:27[clears throat] me. So, he's telling us
46:28lots about what didn't happen. Um now,
46:31out of control
46:32could mean violence, could mean
46:34physical, could mean a fight, could also
46:35mean that Shannan stormed off. Uh you
46:37know, just walked away, and that and
46:38that's out of his control. But he goes
46:41to all sorts of physical things and says
46:42there was no fight, nothing physical.
46:45Um there was nothing physical with the
46:46conversation. Um which says to me his
46:49focus is very much on fighting and
46:50things being physical, and he wants to
46:52tell us these things didn't happen, but
46:54that's where his focus is. He does say
46:56it was a conversation, so he does tell
46:58us what it was. It was a conversation.
47:01Um but he spends more time telling us
47:02what it what what didn't happen. Uh
47:05which um
47:06interests me. Makes me suspicious. Um
47:09there was no And then, he uses joint
47:12pronouns again to dis dis describe this
47:14conversation that he said "We didn't
47:16raise our voice." Now, number one, uh
47:19voices would be better
47:21um because that would I'd be two people
47:23there. But again, I think some sort of
47:24conversation was the flashpoint for all
47:27of this um that they did have because
47:28you can put the two of them together at
47:30that point. And then we have the very
47:33very
47:34uh interesting "I promise you that,
47:35sir." So, once again, he's laying on the
47:37persuaders of "I promise you that, sir."
47:40With all sorts of respect. Uh so, when
47:43he's really trying to smuggle through a
47:44big lie, he then gives the respect.
47:47"Look, believe this because I'm calling
47:49you sir, and I'm being very respectful."
47:51Also, he tells us lots about what what
47:54didn't happen rather than what did
47:55happen. He also says nothing about
47:58Shannan's reaction. He doesn't tell her
48:01anything that she did whatsoever, apart
48:03from didn't raise our voice. She's in
48:06that a little bit, but you know, again,
48:08I would not be reassured by that because
48:09he can't tell us anything about that.
48:12Then we've got some interesting
48:13questions. He's asked, "What was the
48:15last thing you saw about your
48:16daughters?" And he says, "Last thing I
48:18saw, like when I left."
48:21"No, the last thing you saw on Tuesday
48:24or at the pool party. What do you think?
48:26You know what's going on here?" Once
48:27more,
48:28>> [snorts]
48:29>> "Ooh, I'm not prepared for this. I don't
48:30have the words ready just to roll off my
48:32tongue to answer this question, so I'm
48:34going to ask a question to pretend that
48:36I want clarification before I answer. In
48:38reality, I'm just asking this question
48:39to buy myself some thinking time. Last
48:42thing I saw, like when I left." Now,
48:45last [clears throat] thing I saw when I
48:47left is him, I think, going a little bit
48:49extra just to say "Oh, I left." You
48:51know, so what was the last thing I saw
48:52before I left? I think he's getting
48:54across his actions there.
48:57"What did it look like?" says the FBI
48:59guy. "I just saw them in the monitor as
49:02it was switching back and forth." We've
49:04got the word just there in his answer
49:05again, so he's getting It's just a
49:07little thing. It was It was, you know,
49:08insignificant. It was the last time you
49:10saw your kids. It was insignificant. And
49:12he was asked, "What did it look like?"
49:14And he doesn't tell us what it looked
49:16like. He told us how he saw them or
49:18where he saw them. Not "They were fast
49:21asleep." Uh you know, "I I saw them in
49:23bed fast asleep on the monitor." No, he
49:25doesn't say what it looked like.
49:27Interesting that he wants to avoid
49:28talking about what it looked like the
49:30last time he saw his kids. Yeah. Um
49:33instead, he just says how he saw them.
49:36"And what was the last thing you saw
49:37with your wife? He's asked. She was
49:39laying back in bed
49:41as I was walking out the door, walking
49:43out the bedroom door. So,
49:46he could have got away with that for me
49:47if he said she was laying back in bed.
49:50When was the last time you saw your
49:51wife? She was laying back in bed. Fine.
49:53But he has to tell us what he was doing.
49:55I think this is building an alibi
49:56because the last time he saw his wife,
49:58he wasn't walking out the door, he was
50:00doing something much much much worse.
50:04And he wants to make it sound all clean
50:06and innocent. So he has to tell us what
50:07he was doing. We He wasn't asked what he
50:10was doing. He wasn't asked his situation
50:11at all. He's gone extra here. And it's
50:13you know, oh yes, the last time I saw
50:15her I was walking out the door. Then I
50:16think he realizes that is how we say
50:18walking out the house, you know, like I
50:20walked out the door. Uh walking out the
50:22bedroom door. So, when we haven't
50:24experienced something naturally, it's
50:26really hard sometimes to find the
50:28authentic words inside ourselves cuz we
50:30instead of just letting our brain go,
50:31what did you experience and our brain
50:33automatically translating that into
50:34words, our brain has to go, what's the
50:37right form of words here for the lie I
50:38want to make up? He gets it wrong, I
50:40think. As I was walking out the door,
50:43I'm walking out the bedroom door, that
50:44sounds better. So So I'll say that.
50:46Right. Are you ready for the question?
50:48The question that I love and the answer
50:51is so so instructive. When we find the
50:53guy who took them,
50:57what do you think we should do?
51:01Honestly, like
51:05they're going to come home safe,
51:06correct?
51:08When you find the guy.
51:09When we find the guy, they're going to
51:10come home.
51:14Life in prison would be the
51:17That's what I would That's what I would
51:19think with two kids that are involved.
51:24What if he hurt them?
51:30The death the
51:32I I'm not sure if like that penalty
51:35used.
51:36Used Is it used in Colorado? I'm not
51:38even sure what it is. The death penalty.
51:40Okay. I I mean like if these kids are
51:42not alive, like there's no
51:45there's nothing you could do to
51:47to cope with that, to make me cope with
51:50that if those kids are not okay.
51:54It's the classic question. When we find
51:56the guy who took them, what do you think
51:58we should do? His answer is honestly
52:00like, they're going to come home safe,
52:02correct? When you find the guy.
52:05Question in response to a question again
52:09he's saying what punishment he should
52:11get here.
52:13They're very hard for him to say, I
52:14deserve the death penalty or I deserve
52:16life imprisonment. He wants to get away
52:18with it. The last thing he wants to
52:19think about is the punishment that he
52:20faces. Hard question for him to answer.
52:24So he buys himself thinking time by
52:26responding with a question. They're
52:27going to come home safe, correct? When
52:29you find the guy. And he starts with
52:31honestly,
52:32which was again I think a flag here.
52:34He's going to tell a lie. Um he's he
52:36thinks the guy
52:38um that took them should never be found,
52:40should never be punished because it's
52:41him and he wants to get away with it. So
52:43it's honestly here's what I think, which
52:44is not what he thinks.
52:47The FBI guy clarifies, when we find the
52:49guy, they're going to come home.
52:51He thinks a little bit and then he says
52:52life in prison, but he says it as a
52:54question. In fact, he says it so much
52:56like a question that um my transcription
52:58software put a question mark after it
53:00even though it's not the classic English
53:02form of a question. Uh life in prison?
53:05He doesn't state the person that's done
53:07something to my kids should face life in
53:10prison.
53:11Um he asks a question. He says it with
53:14you know, life in prison?
53:16And then it's stuttery. Would be the
53:19That's what That's what I would think
53:21with two kids that are involved.
53:24So again, the pressure is on him. You'll
53:26notice he's assuming the worst because
53:28he said they're going to come home safe
53:30and the FBI guy says, yeah, they're
53:32going to come home. I think he's leaving
53:33that open. They're going to come home
53:35somehow, maybe not alive. Um but he's
53:38assuming the worst for some reason that
53:40when we find the guy who did this, then
53:41that person has to get life in prison
53:43because they've done something to two
53:45kids.
53:46Also two kids that are involved. Again,
53:48he's not he's downplaying what could
53:50what could happen. You know, life in
53:51prison? Life in prison for kidnapping
53:54two kids or or something like that? Mm
53:56mm maybe not. Life in prison for
53:58murdering two kids. So he's assumed the
54:00worst um because they were home safe
54:03just a moment ago.
54:05What if he hurt them? asked the FBI guy.
54:07And we get more stutters. The uh the I'm
54:10not sure if like that penalty is even
54:13used. Is it used in Colorado? I'm
54:16unsure.
54:17So, what he's saying here,
54:20the [clears throat] impression that he
54:21wants to give is if this person has hurt
54:24the kids, then he thinks the death
54:26penalty would be appropriate. Um
54:28however, that's not quite what he says.
54:31He's actually talking about the local
54:32legalities, not what his moral position
54:35is. And if I ask you, what should happen
54:37to someone who's killed your children,
54:38you will not think about, oh, what's the
54:41local legalities around that? You will
54:42give me your instinctive answer, which
54:44could be anything from, you know, this
54:46person needs rehabilitation,
54:48uh understanding, you know, I firmly
54:49believe imprisonment doesn't help
54:51anyone, through to death penalty. You
54:53will give me your moral answer to that
54:55um about someone hurting kids,
54:58especially if it's your own kids.
54:59Instead, he talks about the legalities
55:02of it all. That penalty is even used in
55:04Colorado, I'm unsure. And you'll notice,
55:07talking of softening things, he doesn't
55:09name the death penalty. He says, that
55:12penalty is even used. Is it used in
55:14Colorado, I'm unsure. We know which one
55:16he's talking about, but he can't bring
55:18himself to say death penalty. Just like
55:20he couldn't say life in prison as a
55:22statement as he what he thought people
55:24should get. He doesn't say death
55:26penalty. He softens it a lot.
55:29What is and he's forced to say the death
55:32penalty. Stutters again. I I mean like
55:35if these kids are not alive, like
55:36there's no there's nothing you could do
55:38to cope with that, to make me cope with
55:40that if those kids are not okay. Now,
55:44once more, we have these kids, you know,
55:46not my kids, and then the severity of
55:48what has possibly happened in the words
55:51is downplayed again. That's a classic
55:53criminal bit of behavior. If these kids
55:55are not alive, not if he's murdered
55:57these kids.
55:59Um if those kids are not okay, which is
56:01like, you know, upset stomach or, you
56:03know, a little bit unhappy they didn't
56:04get another second slice of birthday
56:05cake. That's what kids are when they're
56:07not okay. But also, he's been asked
56:10about what should happen when we get the
56:11guy and he never speaks about the guys'
56:14actions. You know, if the guy murdered
56:17my kids, the guy should get the death
56:18penalty, right? He never speaks about
56:21the guys' actions. He just says, kids
56:23are involved. Incredibly passive. These
56:25kids are not alive. The kids are not
56:27okay. All very passive. All about what
56:29the kids are experiencing, not about the
56:31actions that would be taken against the
56:34kids. He avoids talking about them. It's
56:36obviously very very sensitive. Right. So
56:39that is what he's been talking about.
56:41What did you spot that was missing?
56:43Here's what I spotted that was missing.
56:45Any sense of concern for the children or
56:47Shannan. Any real live concern for them.
56:50Not didn't see or hear any of that at
56:53all. It was all about concern for
56:56himself, proving what a great honest guy
56:59he was.
57:00No desire to proactively help. You know,
57:03the the FBI have said, don't believe
57:05you. He's like, right, what can I do to
57:07get beyond this so you can go looking
57:08for the right guy. None of that
57:10whatsoever. He's quite happy to sit
57:12back, take the time and try and persuade
57:14and convince this FBI guy that he's a
57:16truthful stand-up guy. Like with that,
57:19no sense of urgency to show it's not
57:21him. If you are innocent and your kids
57:24are missing, urgency is going to be the
57:27top priority for you. But no, he was
57:30quite happy to sit back there and any
57:33reliable denials as well. So that is
57:36Chris Watts talking to the FBI. In
57:38conclusion,
57:40you know, yes, he's guilty cuz he's
57:42serving life sentences now, but if I'd
57:43looked at that
57:46at the time, I'd said he was buying
57:48thinking time a lot. Now, why would an
57:50innocent person need to do that? Um
57:52but he was asking questions to
57:54questions. There's also a sense of
57:55avoidance that comes from that as well
57:57about, you know, can I clarify this
57:59question and just think about what it is
58:00I want to say. Assuming the worst all
58:03the time. Leakage there for me that he
58:05was leaking that he knew the worst had
58:07happened. The contradictions around the
58:09daycare as well. Just that last part
58:12where he was very passive about what
58:14happened to them. If the kids are
58:15involved rather than if someone has And
58:17just that lack of concern for Shannan or
58:19for the kids as well that was expressed
58:21would make me go, this guy is showing so
58:24many red flags.
58:27Let me know what you think in the
58:28comments
58:29if you can or you can get in touch on
58:31the socials. neveratruerword.com is
58:32where you will find them all listed. You
58:35can also look at more from Chris Watts
58:37and also his mistress as well broken
58:39down
58:39some of the things that she had to say.
58:41You will find that all at
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59:01I'll see you soon for something new from
59:02Never a Truer Word and remember, the
59:04truth is always in the words.

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