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0:00Chris Watts was sentenced to life in
0:02prison without the possibility of parole
0:04for the quadruple homicide of his entire
0:07family nearly seven years ago. In the
0:10years since, the Weld County District
0:12Attorney has continued to receive new
0:15and credible information concerning
0:17Nicole Kessinger's possible involvement.
0:20However, despite the ongoing barrage of
0:23requests for a full and complete
0:25investigation, he has refused them all.
0:28When I say the word prosecutor, what
0:31phrase immediately comes to mind? Tough
0:34on crime, aggressive,
0:37overbearing and rigid in appearance. You
0:39ask my wife and she might jump right to
0:41arrogant.
0:43I'll admit that these stereotypes aren't
0:45too far off base. Rigid and arrogant
0:48doesn't even begin to cover it. But for
0:50the first time in over half a decade,
0:53entirely new evidence has been
0:55discovered that has the potential to
0:58break this case wide open. Information
1:01never previously known or disclosed by
1:04law enforcement since the arrest of
1:07Chris Watts. On the 6th of November
1:102018, Chris Watts formally accepted the
1:13prosecution's plea deal, agreeing to a
1:15conviction of five life sentences. This
1:18deal approved by DA Ror himself was
1:22finalized just 86 days after the crimes
1:25Watts committed on August 13th, 2018.
1:29But every single day since Watt's
1:32conviction, the true crime community has
1:35continued to find glaring mistakes,
1:38omissions, and failures that exposes the
1:41improper and incomplete investigation
1:44conducted by the Weld County District
1:46Attorney, Michael Roor. In today's
1:49episode, we will continue with our
1:51detailed deep dive analysis of the Chris
1:53Watts case, analyzing Watt's first
1:56interview and contrasting this new
1:58information with shocking details that
2:01Watts revealed just 24 hours after he
2:04committed his crimes, providing an
2:06examination of the discovery records
2:09while shedding light on what that
2:11evidence actually reveals, helping us
2:14all to finally answer the question,
2:17could law enforcement ment have fully
2:19and completely investigated this
2:22quadruple homicide in just 86 days. This
2:26is in search of the truth, the Chris
2:28Watts deep dive series, the third
2:30installment.
2:36In the last two episodes of this deep
2:38dive series, we have traversed the rocky
2:41landscape of the Watts case surrounding
2:43the days and weeks preceding this
2:45painful tragedy. We were given a deeply
2:49disturbing view of the heartbreak that
2:51Shannan was forced to endure at the
2:53hands of a man who was seemingly devoid
2:56of empathy or concern. Since beginning
3:00my analysis of this case, I have
3:02continued to receive countless messages
3:05from current and former members of law
3:07enforcement who all agree that these
3:10investigators could not have thoroughly
3:13evaluated the facts of this case in less
3:15than 3 months time. But for the first
3:18time since the onset of this case, I
3:21will be able to definitively demonstrate
3:23for you just how inadequate this
3:26investigation was. But please remember,
3:29Chris Watts will always bear sole
3:32responsibility for his own actions. Our
3:36analysis will always be about the
3:39pursuit of justice. So, as we evaluate
3:42the facts, we will remember the one and
3:44only reason why we continue to advocate
3:47for that justice, the victims. So, with
3:51that said, let's begin. Just after 2:00
3:54a.m. on the morning of August 14th,
3:57Chris and Nicole have just finished
3:59their nearly 3-hour long phone call. The
4:02same call that Nicole Kessinger will
4:05later claim that she barely recalled
4:07what they discussed or talked about.
4:09According to the discovery records, at
4:112:17 a.m. the two would say their final
4:14goodbyes, but not before Nicole would
4:17eavesdrop on a phone call with law
4:19enforcement where Chris was being asked
4:21very specific questions about his
4:24missing family. And earlier that same
4:27morning, Nicole Kessinger made sure to
4:29get on to Google and search for the name
4:32Shannan Watts. Over the years, we've
4:34learned that law enforcement never
4:36bothered to ask Nicole why she would be
4:39searching for Shannan at that specific
4:42point in time. Especially in light of
4:44the fact that Kessinger would go on to
4:46claim that she truly believed that
4:49Shannan was okay and simply at a
4:52friend's house. Monday afternoon, he
4:55told me that
4:57she was like gone and he didn't know
4:59where she was. And at that point, I
5:04don't think that it set off any alarms
5:07in my head just because
5:11I mean I I have friends that I text and
5:15if I don't hear from them for like 3
5:17hours or 6 hours or even like a couple
5:19days, I don't feel
5:22concerned about where they're at because
5:24it's kind of a standard thing for me. Um
5:28but then she didn't come home that
5:29night. I was like, "Okay, well, maybe
5:31she'll come back." And I was kind of on
5:34the impression since they're separating
5:35that maybe she decided to take the kids.
5:38Maybe she decided to just
5:42leave for a few days. I don't know. I
5:44was just I I I felt like maybe she was
5:46just trying to get some space. And I
5:48figured maybe that was why she left her
5:50stuff there to just get some quiet. If
5:53Nicole believed that Shannan was
5:55unharmed, then why would she be looking
5:58for her on Google? By 4:58 that morning,
6:02Sandy Ruseek, the mother of Shannan,
6:05called Chris and spoke to him for just
6:07over 4 minutes. The two would speak
6:09later that same morning at 6:32, and
6:12Chris would continue to perpetuate the
6:15claim that he did not know where her
6:17daughter and his children were, feigning
6:20innocence over the monstrosity of what
6:23he was still desperately trying to hide.
6:26An hour later, at 7:26 a.m., Chris
6:29messaged Shannan's friend Sam,
6:31continuing the lie that Shannan and the
6:33girls were likely safe. He told her,
6:36"I'm hoping she's with someone I don't
6:38know because I have exhausted all of the
6:41people that I know of. I'm optimistic we
6:44will reunite again. People have been
6:46stopping by from time to time." 2 hours
6:49later and Chris Watts transfers one
6:51final nude image of his paramore Nicole
6:54Kessinger into his secret calculator
6:57app. At 12:08 p.m., Nicole Kessinger
7:00spends four entire hours searching the
7:04internet, news sites, and articles, all
7:06concerning Shannan and the girl's
7:08disappearance. Detective Prill is
7:11careful to note that these searches that
7:13nearly took her entire workday were all
7:16deleted, and he notates this observation
7:19in red. It's my experience that when law
7:22enforcement wants to highlight an area
7:24of concern, this is exactly how they do
7:27it. But just minutes after Nicole had
7:30begun her relentless searches for news
7:32on Shannan and the girl's disappearance,
7:35Chris was communicating with friends and
7:37family again at 12:31 p.m. He was
7:40continuing to poorly fake the part of an
7:43aloof father trying to find his missing
7:45family.
7:47Shannan, Bella, Celeste, if you're out
7:50there, just just come back. Like, if
7:53somebody has her, just please bring her
7:55back. I need to see everybody. I need to
7:58see everybody again. This house is not
7:59complete with without anybody here.
8:02Please bring her back.
8:05I will simply never understand how or
8:08why Chris Watts thought that this
8:10interview would convince anyone of
8:13anything other than his complete and
8:16undeniable guilt. At 1:36 p.m., Chris
8:20again texts Shannan's friend Sam. Sam
8:22had inquired about the possibility of
8:25issuing an Amber Alert for the girls.
8:27She was very clearly trying to do
8:30whatever she could to find them. And yet
8:33Chris could only respond by telling her
8:35that an Amber Alert was not applicable
8:38in this situation, choosing instead to
8:40quickly change the subject while
8:42informing Sam that law enforcement had
8:45just swept his house with cadaavver
8:47dogs. Ending their dialogue by informing
8:50Sam that he had completed all of his
8:52interviews with law enforcement in what
8:54appeared to be an attempt at trying to
8:56insinuate that he was not responsible.
9:00Chris again called Shannan's mother,
9:01Sandy, at 2:30 p.m. and spoke with her
9:04for just over 10 minutes. We would later
9:07learn that the roose checks were already
9:09convinced that Chris was likely involved
9:12in the disappearance of Shannan and the
9:14girls. And I can only imagine that Chris
9:17and his shocking lack of empathy was
9:20evident in every word he spoke to
9:22everyone he encountered throughout the
9:25course of that day. 4 minutes after 3,
9:28Chris again communicates with Addie. He
9:30informs her that Good Morning America
9:32has contacted his sister for an
9:34interview. And if I didn't know better,
9:37it would seem that Chris is continuing
9:39to look for ways to elicit sympathy from
9:42his friends and family. But just miles
9:45away, at exactly 5:00 p.m., Nicole
9:48Kessinger begins a series of seemingly
9:50incriminating Google searches that would
9:53later be identified by Detective Prill's
9:56data report. And by the end of this
9:58video, you will understand why this new
10:01information directly answers the
10:04question that Detective Prill asked
10:06nearly 7 years ago. One hour later, at
10:096:00 p.m., Chris's phone notified him of
10:12a calendar entry that he labeled as
10:15talk. In the days following, law
10:17enforcement would determine that Chris
10:19had attempted to create a trail of
10:21breadcrumbs that he hoped would lead
10:23investigators to the false conclusion
10:25that Shannan and the girls had simply
10:28disappeared. Chris Watts wrongly hoped
10:30that they would come to the conclusion
10:33that he was nothing more than a loving
10:35father trying to locate his family. Just
10:3826 minutes later and Chris text his
10:40close friend Nick theer letting him know
10:43that he would be on his way to his house
10:45after he stopped for gas. But while on
10:48route to spend the night at the Theer
10:50residence, Watts received a call from
10:52the Frederick Police Department.
10:54Detective Coder was requesting that
10:56Chris come into the office and answer
10:58some questions concerning this highly
11:01suspicious disappearance of his entire
11:03family. Watts would turn around and make
11:06his way to the police department in what
11:08would become the beginning of the end of
11:11his paperthin story. It's here that
11:14Chris would begin his first inoff
11:17interview with law enforcement. But this
11:20is also my very first time reviewing
11:22this footage. And when we conclude our
11:25analysis of all the lies that Chris told
11:27that day, you will learn something that
11:30no one in law enforcement has ever
11:32disclosed about this case. Information
11:35that is now central to my formal request
11:38to the Weld County District Attorney's
11:40Office that they finally reopen this
11:44investigation and determine the extent
11:46of what Chris and Nicole were hiding
11:49because it's time that we find out the
11:52truth. once and for all.
11:58By the time that Chris Watts arrived at
12:00the Frederick Police Department that
12:02evening, law enforcement was already
12:04firmly aware that he was their likely
12:06primary suspect in the then
12:09disappearance of his wife and children.
12:11Anna Darko's human resource department
12:13had already informed law enforcement
12:15that Watts was communicating regularly
12:18with fellow employee Nicole Kessinger.
12:21Additionally, they had already obtained
12:24detailed phone records and knew that
12:26Chris and Nicole were far more than mere
12:29co-workers. Detective Graham Coder was
12:32tasked with the job of trying to
12:34ascertain what Chris had done with his
12:37family, but doing so without causing
12:39Chris to completely shut down. But one
12:42thing is certain, no one could have
12:45imagined just how dark this case was
12:48about to become. All right, let's do
12:51this.
12:53I'm going to sit next to you so we can
12:54look at it together. Um,
12:58so what I want to do is you have a bunch
13:01of people coming in, you know, from your
13:03neighborhood. Somebody saw something.
13:05Somebody knows where these kids are. And
13:07I keep saying kids, I'm sorry. Kids,
13:10and I should say, um, I work these quite
13:15a bit. And so tonight, if I make one of
13:17those mistakes when I say kids instead
13:19of your wife and kids, I apologize that
13:22we work at a lot. I apologize if
13:23something comes out wrong or um Anyway,
13:27so I know you're going through a lot, so
13:30we're not going to keep you here all
13:31night. Can we go through this? From the
13:34moment Detective Coder walks through the
13:36door, he is demonstrating the behavior
13:39of an investigator who understands the
13:42gravity of this moment. He employs the
13:45well-known tactic of closing the gap
13:47between him and Chris, which
13:49subconsciously helps to remove his
13:52internal defenses. And in so doing, he
13:55ensures that Chris never succeeds in
13:58closing off and walking out of that
14:00interview room. It's a tactic that will
14:03slowly force Chris to do the one thing
14:06that he hates to do the most, telling
14:09the truth. So, okay, let's see. 48
14:13doorbell detected visitor. What does
14:14that mean? So, the doorbell has a uh a
14:18camera on it when you get up to a
14:19certain proximity and when you ring it,
14:22it detects a visitor. Okay. Detective
14:25Coder just asked Chris about the home
14:27security system that detected Shannan's
14:29arrival just after midnight on the
14:32morning of August 13th. Now, it's very
14:34likely that Detective Coder already
14:36knows what the security notification
14:39meant, but he wants Chris to know the
14:41enormity of the information that law
14:44enforcement already has. And even more
14:47so, he wants to hear the way that Chris
14:50answers the question. Now, if you watch
14:52closely, you can see that right after he
14:55answers him, Detective Coder stands up
14:57to close the door, and you can see
15:00Chris's body language change right
15:02before your eyes. Watts is demonstrating
15:05all of the telltale signs of a man who
15:08was trapped and very clearly doing
15:10everything in his power to hide the
15:12truth. So, I work a lot of stuff like
15:15this in bank robberies. And when I talk
15:16to, you know, a witness at a bank
15:18robbery, sometimes I find it best for
15:21them to just say, uh, I just say, uh,
15:24tell me what happened, get it all out,
15:26and then once you get it out, let's go
15:28over it. Okay? So, just get it all out
15:30as far as this. Tell me exactly what you
15:32remember, and I'll take notes about
15:33where we can go.
15:35Did you catch that? Detective Coder has
15:38just told Chris that he would like for
15:40him to tell the story of what happened
15:42in his own words from the beginning, but
15:44he equated his past experience as an
15:47investigator to interviewing victims of
15:49a bank robbery. Law enforcement already
15:52knows that Chris and Nicole are likely
15:55having an affair based on the records
15:57they have alone. And at the same time
16:00that we see Chris in this hot seat, his
16:03mistress Nicole is just miles away
16:05speaking with the FBI at a local park
16:09absolutely lying through her teeth. But
16:12right now, Detective Coder needs to get
16:15Chris to tell him his first version of
16:17the truth. And he needs to do it before
16:20he shuts down the interview and requests
16:23a lawyer. So, this 1:48 a.m. Back up.
16:27Let me switch the chairs because when
16:29they come knocking out
16:33knocking, I got to use that key.
16:36Do you need more water? No.
16:39All right.
16:41[Music]
16:44Detective Coder has just proven what a
16:46skilled interrogator he is because this
16:50important seat change was started right
16:52as Chris began telling his first version
16:55of events. It's clear that he wants
16:57Chris to feel trapped by this
16:59positioning, putting himself between
17:02Chris and the door. He wants Chris to
17:04know that he's not leaving. But more
17:07than anything else, Detective Coder, the
17:10father and husband, he wants to know
17:13what Chris did. He wants to know where
17:16to find his family. All right. So, 1:40
17:19a.m. doorbell detects a visitor. So,
17:23when we were um over at the neighbor's
17:25house that the next day, we were looking
17:27at his camera as well, and it didn't
17:29show anybody walking up to the driveway,
17:31which is kind of weird. That's the only
17:32reason I put that on there cuz it showed
17:35Nicole dropping her off but nobody
17:37actually walking up to the house. It was
17:38kind of weird. But she was in the house.
17:42Listen, I understand that criminals say
17:45and do very dumb things sometimes. But
17:48it doesn't make any sense to me why
17:50Chris thought anything good would come
17:52of this stupid lie. He just admitted to
17:56Detective Coder that the neighbor's
17:58camera never caught Shannan's arrival
18:00that morning, which means he knows that
18:03law enforcement is aware of the fact
18:05that the neighbor's camera also never
18:07showed anyone but him leaving that same
18:10morning. But I suppose that's why Chris
18:13can never seem to maintain eye contact
18:16throughout this entire interview because
18:18he knows he's a terrible liar and
18:21absolutely everyone can see it. And what
18:24time we talking? This is still 1:48.
18:27Okay.
18:28Uh 2:00 a.m. Shane gets in the bed with
18:30me.
18:324:00 a.m. That's when my alarm goes off
18:34for work and I'm see get dressed, brush
18:36my teeth, everything I do upstairs.
18:38Okay. About 4:15, that's when I get
18:42back, slide right into bed next to her
18:44and start having a conversation with her
18:46about having the house up for sale and
18:50talking about se like actually going
18:52proceeding with the separation. Okay.
18:55And obviously it gets pretty emotional
18:57like we're talking about you know like
18:58we felt this the disconnection was there
19:00like falling out of love and trying to
19:04stay together maybe just for the kids
19:05sake but realizing that doing like our
19:08homework it's not most of the time
19:10that's not going to work. Yeah. Now for
19:12many of us who have taken the time to
19:14study this case all of this is very
19:17familiar. We know that this is the first
19:19series of lies that Chris will tell law
19:21enforcement and that eventually he will
19:24alter his story more than a few times.
19:27But it's at this point of the interview
19:29that I realized something. Chris's story
19:32is surprisingly very detailed and as we
19:35know very fabricated. And from
19:37everything we know about Chris, it's
19:39clear that throughout his upbringing and
19:42his marriage that he was the kind of
19:44person who followed the strong women in
19:47his life. In his early years, that was
19:49his mother. Then it was Shannan. But
19:52right here, right now, it's Nicole
19:55Kessinger. And I just can't help but
19:58notice how rehearsed, specific, and
20:01detailed this lie is. And I promise you
20:05that will become very important in the
20:08very near future. And it gets pretty
20:10emotional because we have two beautiful
20:12kids and we have one on the way. So it's
20:15just a matter of like it was very
20:17emotional. We were both crying and at
20:19the end we just said, you know, she said
20:22she was going to take the kids to her
20:24friend's house the day she would be
20:26back. Okay. Okay. Listen, we all know
20:29that Chris Watts is capable of
20:31concocting lies with relative ease, but
20:34it's hard not to notice just how calm he
20:37is right now. Because remember, it's
20:40only been about 24 hours since Chris
20:42committed what is easily one of the most
20:45grizzly and heinous crimes anyone could
20:48ever commit. Now, over the years, we've
20:51learned that in the hours following his
20:53crimes, he felt a sense of relief that
20:56he was now happy because he could
20:58finally be with Nicole Kessinger. So,
21:01then I can't help but ask the question,
21:04why would he be so confident in such
21:07obvious lies? It's almost as though
21:10Chris had reason to believe that this
21:12poorly planned deceit had cause. And
21:16because of new information, we now know
21:18that Chris was communicating with Nicole
21:21through a second secret app that they
21:24clearly both believed that law
21:26enforcement would never find. And it
21:29really seems that Chris believed that
21:32Nicole was waiting for him on the other
21:34side. And until law enforcement
21:37subpoenas those records, we cannot know
21:39with certainty what Chris and Nicole
21:42said. But it sure seems like his words
21:44were carefully planned with the singular
21:47intent of being with Nicole and
21:50ultimately to do whatever it took to get
21:53away with murder. And so I went
21:56downstairs, made my protein shake, the
22:005:00 a.m. That's when I did that, packed
22:02my lunch box, had my oatmeal, chicken,
22:06fill my water jug up. 5:15 I went
22:09outside back my truck up and loaded up,
22:11had my book bag, my lunch box, computer,
22:13water jug, my big big clear container. I
22:16put big clear containers in my truck so
22:18it's easy just to pull out pull in just
22:20depending on what I'm going to use my
22:22O-ring kit. And I knew I was going to do
22:23some stuffing box rubbers that day. So I
22:27got some various open wrenches from my
22:28tool box and I know those work better
22:30than the ones they would give me. Okay.
22:33Um 5:30 that's when I went to work.
22:36Okay. And I had heard from Shenan for to
22:40for about two hours there. So 7:40 I
22:42texted her and after she could tell me
22:44where the kids were if she took them
22:46anywhere. Okay. Nothing. Okay. What we
22:50just heard was Chris describing the
22:52morning of August 13th, 2018. You
22:55remember the exact same time that Nicole
22:58Kessinger's phone just happened to ping
23:00from the cell tower directly next to the
23:03Watts's home. and everything that he is
23:06saying seems so much worse when you know
23:09what he was actually doing that morning
23:12and the lengths that he had gone to to
23:14completely annihilate every good thing
23:18that he had ever been entrusted with. At
23:2112:00 I texted her again called me
23:23nothing. And then about 12:10 p.m.
23:25That's when my doorbell visitor, it read
23:28another visitor and I was like, "Hey, it
23:30popped up on my phone and it says it was
23:32Nicole." And I try I put it on my phone
23:36to see if like she's just trying to get
23:37in or whatnot. And I hear like she's on
23:40the phone trying to I could I could hear
23:42her on through my phone saying she's
23:43trying to get Shenan. So that's when I
23:45called her. I called her at 12:20. She
23:47wasn't going on. She told me that Shan
23:49hadn't responded to any of her calls all
23:52day or any of her friends calls all day.
23:55Okay. And that's that's kind that's very
23:57strange just because I mean if she
23:58doesn't get back to me that that's fine,
24:00you know, like she gets busy with kids
24:01and whatever. So if she doesn't get back
24:03to her people like the people like she
24:05works with direct sales. Okay. So if she
24:07doesn't get back with them, that's
24:08strange. Is she the type to answer the
24:10phone? For them like all the time. Yeah.
24:13For me it's just like hey wait I'll see
24:15you later.
24:17It's been said so many times throughout
24:19the history of this case, but Nicole
24:21Atkinson is the reason why Shannan and
24:25the girls were found so quickly. If she
24:28hadn't been as aggressive, forcing Chris
24:31to come home that afternoon, this case
24:33may not have had the same conclusion.
24:36But it's here, only minutes into the
24:38first formal interview with Chris Watts,
24:40that I want to remind you of why we
24:43continue to discuss this case. Because
24:46in just 85 days from the date of this
24:49interview, this case and all outstanding
24:52investigatory leads will be closed by
24:56District Attorney Michael Ror's office.
24:58The same man who from the onset of this
25:01case has told the general public in so
25:04many words that the conviction of Chris
25:06Watts outweighed the importance of
25:08completing their investigation, holding
25:11everyone involved accountable and
25:14obtaining justice. Um, so about 12:40,
25:19uh, a few more efforts from Nicole to
25:21reach her while she's there, like
25:23outside the house. Mhm. And at 1:00,
25:25that's when I left. And I was like, "All
25:26right, I'm on my way down there.
25:29uh 2:00 when I got home uh because they
25:31can't they couldn't get in because the
25:33front door had a top latch to keep the
25:35kids in. Uh Nicole and the police
25:38officer out there. Oh, right. Okay. Got
25:40it. Um so they couldn't get in because
25:44top latch of the car, I mean top latch
25:46on the front door was hinged and the
25:49keypad on the outside does not work to
25:51get in the garage. So they had to wait
25:53till I got there so I can get the remote
25:55open. Okay. And this is why I am a vocal
25:58supporter of Nicole Atkinson. Chris
26:01Watts was caught far earlier than his
26:03plan had accounted for. Originally, he
26:06was hoping that he would have enough
26:08time to go to work, leave at a normal
26:11time, all while sending messages faking
26:14his concern for Shannan. He needed time
26:17to get home, move her car, her phone,
26:20and all of the crime scene evidence to
26:22get it as far away from his house as
26:25possible. That's why it's so critical
26:28that Chris was interrupted before he
26:31could get home and dispose of Shannan's
26:33belongings. And it's why his story
26:36didn't make any sense in light of the
26:38evidence. Because the only logical
26:41explanation for why Shannan and the
26:43girls were never seen leaving the Watts
26:46home on camera is because they left in
26:49his truck and that Chris truly is the
26:52monster that everyone believes him to
26:55be. So when I got home, I opened the
26:58garage door and we went inside the house
27:00and looked everywhere. Shann
27:03nowhere to be found. Shann's wedding
27:05ring's on their nightstand. Her phone's
27:07still on the couch. Her purse is still
27:09there. The medicine for the kids still
27:10there. The car in the car seat is still
27:12there. And there's no sign of them
27:14anywhere. Okay. Okay. Does anyone else
27:16notice that Chris is reading from a
27:19document? That would mean that in a span
27:21of just over 24 hours, Chris created a
27:25detailed outline of the prior day's
27:27events. Put that in perspective for just
27:30a minute. Chris was not known to do
27:33things like this. He wasn't a highly
27:35organized person who was also incredibly
27:39meticulous about dates, times, and
27:41events. Well, wouldn't you know it,
27:43there was someone in his life who
27:45happened to be very detailed about
27:47dates, times, and events. And if you
27:49turn to page 942 of the Watts Discovery,
27:53you'll find this exceptionally detailed
27:56outline that came from none other than
27:59Nicole Kessinger herself. In fact, it's
28:02so detailed it provides a near forensic
28:06level recollection of the dayto-day
28:08events concerning Nicole's supposedly
28:12short acquaintance with Chris Watts. You
28:14know, I just think it's very, very
28:16interesting that Chris is reading from a
28:19surprisingly similar document that
28:21outlines the events of the day prior in
28:24virtually the exact same way that Nicole
28:27Kessinger does just weeks later. And if
28:30you're the kind of person who sees this
28:32Everestsized mountain of suspicious
28:35behavior from Nicole as nothing more
28:37than mere coincidence, then good news. I
28:40have some property to sell you. Okay,
28:42I'm not going to say it, but my point
28:45still stands because at some point law
28:47enforcement needs to be honest with the
28:50monumental mistakes they made on this
28:52case. And you're about to see why. Uh
28:563:00 um rather the police officer
29:00detective
29:02Bob Howard, right? Oh, yes.
29:06Butcher's name every time
29:08Nicole and I, you know, questions about
29:10where she could have gone or who she
29:12could be with. Um at about 4:00, police
29:16officers that was there, he was checking
29:17neighbor security footage.
29:20Um at 5:00 p.m. uh the same same police
29:23officer, detective, and then sergeant,
29:25another officer, they showed up and they
29:27searched the house again. Um about 6:00
29:31they didn't call around. Anyone that I
29:32could that that may know something
29:35called hospitals and hotels. Uh 7:30 is
29:38my friend Nick showed up to show
29:39support. And from then on, it's just
29:41friends showing up. Shows Lauren, Dave,
29:44Jeremy. And 10:00 is pretty much where I
29:46laid down, but I didn't go to bed till
29:48about like 2:00 a.m. just cuz I was
29:49feeling text and calls all night. Okay.
29:52And I was just hoping that I left all my
29:54in the house. I was hoping that I would
29:56get a knock on the door, but nothing
29:58happened. Yeah. But nothing happened. Do
30:00you know what absolutely blows my mind
30:02about this case? It has been nearly 7
30:04years since Chris committed this crime.
30:06And in all that time, he has never once
30:09attempted to sincerely apologize for
30:13what he did. In fact, he's done just the
30:16exact opposite. He's forced friends,
30:18family members, and acquaintances to
30:20live with this endless black hole of
30:23suffering because he simply refuses to
30:26just tell the truth. He co-opted people
30:29who loved him in an attempt to gain
30:31their sympathy. And now, once again,
30:34he's changed his story to put the blame
30:37on anyone other than himself. And one of
30:40the worst elements of this case is that
30:43because he lied so much and so often
30:46that even if he does decide to tell the
30:49truth someday, law enforcement won't
30:51even believe him. But I suppose that's
30:54why so many of us still see this case as
30:58incomplete because the truth deserves to
31:00have its day even if Chris refuses to
31:04participate in making it a reality. What
31:07do you think happens?
31:10At first, I really thought maybe she was
31:12just at somebody's house doing a
31:14decompressing scene. Yeah. But after
31:16today, like with the onslaught of all
31:20the cars, I mean, all the police cars,
31:22all the news, all the K9 units,
31:25it's making me lean the other direction
31:27about someone took her. Okay. But it's
31:30just
31:32if someone took her, it would have to
31:35have been someone she knew
31:37because there's there's no sign of
31:39anything like being disturbed, broken.
31:41Mhm. But like that's the way Elena now.
31:44At first I thought for real. She was
31:45just decompressing somewhere. I mean, I
31:48thought she was safe even though
31:49everything in the house was left there.
31:52But now it's just after the day with the
31:54news crews and everything, it's just it
31:55feels more the other direction and it's
31:57freaking me out.
32:00cuz I have no idea where where they are.
32:05Okay. Since I began this channel, I have
32:08spent countless hours researching every
32:11nook and cranny of this case. I have
32:14learned about Chris's upbringing, the
32:16way he carried himself with his friends,
32:18his parents, but especially around
32:21Shannan. Now, it's obvious that Chris
32:23Watts was a terrible liar and incredibly
32:27self-diluted. a man incapable of seeing
32:30the forest for the trees. But in the
32:33months following his conviction, law
32:35enforcement was so baffled by his crime
32:38that they conducted a follow-up
32:39interview at his prison in an effort to
32:42try to understand why he would do this.
32:45Law enforcement has admitted that Chris
32:47Watts did not fit any of their current
32:51or existing offender profiles. And every
32:55single time that I hear him speak, all I
32:58hear are the words of a man who I
33:00believe was so clearly influenced into
33:03committing this crime. And that's why I
33:06will never understand why DA Ror refuses
33:09to admit his clear failures and finally
33:13properly investigate this crime to fix
33:17what they so clearly broke.
33:20If you
33:22could think of anything that we could do
33:24to find them, what would it be?
33:29I mean, everything that I've exhausted
33:31so far is like people that have car
33:34seats cuz she left the car seats and she
33:37was never just I mean I mean Bella could
33:39sit in a regular booster chair that
33:42because she's about that time. Celeste
33:44isn't quite there yet. But
33:48all the people that I know that have
33:50cartly, they've contacted me. I mean,
33:53unless it's I mean, there's there's
33:56definitely a chance it's somebody I
33:57don't know of being a guy or a girl. I I
34:00mean, and she has plenty of friends
34:01through like direct sales that I I've
34:04never met that could have a could have a
34:07kid that she they come and just say,
34:10"Hey, you know, let's go." Like just
34:11back up in the back, put them in. Let's
34:13go.
34:15Did you just hear that? Christa said
34:17something that I now believe is a
34:19critical part of this case. He just
34:22said, and she has plenty of friends
34:24through direct sales that I have never
34:26met. They could have a kid and they
34:28could have come and said, "Hey, let's
34:30go." And they back up to the back of the
34:32house, put them in and go. Chris is
34:35telling law enforcement that there is
34:37another way in and out of his house
34:41other than the front door and garage.
34:43He's giving law enforcement key
34:46information that they seemingly missed
34:48over and over again. It's evident in the
34:52way that he describes the situation that
34:54he wants them to know that there is an
34:56alternate route into his house through
35:00Verbina Court, this road here, that goes
35:03directly up to their tiny backyard fence
35:07that absolutely anyone could have easily
35:10traversed. You know, kind of like an
35:13obsessive mistress whose phone just
35:15happened to ping from Frederick that
35:17morning. So, it starts to make a lot
35:20more sense why Chris is now telling law
35:22enforcement how Shannan could have
35:24disappeared because that very well may
35:27have been how Nicole Kessinger
35:29disappeared that morning. And this is
35:31like that's what's driving me nuts. Like
35:33when I told the news like if she's out
35:35there like just come home like who if
35:39someone has her or might not just have
35:41it but she's at somebody's house and
35:42she's just depressing it's it's time to
35:44come back now this is real. Okay. This
35:47has gone to a different level.
35:49Absolutely.
35:51Okay.
35:53Um do you have any inkling of if it's
35:57good or bad?
36:00Yesterday I would have thought that she
36:03was safe and she would it was good that
36:05she would been that she would come home
36:08today. It's more on the other side. It's
36:10I don't think that she would let it get
36:13this far if she was just decompressing
36:15somewhere. I mean she's not talking to
36:17anybody as far as I mean people that
36:19reached out to me that I haven't talked
36:21to in like a year that are friends with
36:23her.
36:24What we just heard is the exact same
36:27response that Chris gave to the local
36:29news that opened the door to the public
36:32believing that he was involved.
36:34Listening to the way he says these
36:36words, it's impossible not to notice
36:39just how completely inauthentic it is.
36:42And it's evident throughout this entire
36:44series of interviews that Chris had no
36:47earthly idea just how guilty he sounded.
36:50And I wonder if someday he'll come to
36:52the realization that the only way he
36:55will ever atone for what he did is to
36:58just tell the whole truth. The DA and
37:02local law enforcement might have given
37:04up on that outcome. I still haven't.
37:07When they look at this, what's the best
37:08thing that they can do to I don't know
37:11to say
37:12um look for these contacts, look for
37:15this Instagram, look for this Snapchat.
37:18So like the only thing on here that's I
37:21would say it's going to be weird because
37:23our contact list is the same. Detective
37:26Graham Coder and Agent Tammy Lee should
37:29have been allowed to take their time
37:31with this investigation because it's
37:34only been 15 minutes and Detective Coder
37:37has already asked the question that
37:40everyone in this investigation should
37:43have demanded answers to. Coder asks
37:46Watts if there's an Instagram or a
37:48Snapchat that they can review on Chris's
37:51phone when they eventually download all
37:53of his phone data. And you'll notice
37:55that immediately after he's asked that
37:57question, Chris completely changes the
38:00subject. And sadly, it's far too early
38:03for Detective Coder to understand just
38:06how vital this line of questioning was.
38:09And sadly, it's taken over half a decade
38:12for the answer to that question to come
38:14to light. Evidence that proves the
38:17inadequacy of this investigation. Um, is
38:20there any good ideas that your friends
38:22have had saying, "Am I going to try
38:24this? They're going to do this." A lot
38:25of people have asked about Amber Alerts,
38:26but I'm not sure like why that I'm not
38:28sure like I'm sure you know Amber Alerts
38:30have to do with like, "All right, if you
38:32know someone has taken a kid, like since
38:33the last person you saw was the mom and
38:36you'll see me, everybody's gone." Yeah,
38:38that's probably why amor is not really
38:40used in this respect. Well, they did
38:42they did a press statement. Listen, I
38:45understand that Chris was hiding one of
38:47the most vile crime scenes in Colorado
38:50history, but I genuinely cannot
38:52understand his complete apathy towards
38:56his own children. It seems like he
38:58doesn't even know how objectively
39:01bizarre his behavior is because he can't
39:04even seem to competently fake concern
39:07over the reality that his pregnant wife
39:10and children are missing. which only
39:12further strengthens my view that the
39:15only logical explanation of why he could
39:18be so flagrant in his disregard for his
39:21family's well-being is because he knew
39:23that his mistress was waiting for him
39:26and that all he needed to do was find a
39:28way to prevent law enforcement from
39:31finding the nightmare that he was hiding
39:34at Survy 319.
39:36How could she have left the house?
39:40Only way she could have left the house
39:42is if somebody picked her up, but it
39:44would have to been from the back. It's
39:46the camera in the front where the
39:48neighbor the way it faces the driveway.
39:50It would have picked that up. Only thing
39:53it picked up was me leaving at like
39:545:26. Okay. How do you know? Is it your
39:57camera? It's neighbor's camera. Oh, did
39:59he tell you? Yeah, we we were all over
40:01there watching it with the officer.
40:03Okay. All right. They just saw me
40:05loading up my truck.
40:07Chris is again reminding Detective Coder
40:10that the only other way that anyone
40:12could have left the house undetected
40:15would have been through the backyard
40:17since no other movement was picked up by
40:19neighbor Nate's camera. But Chris knows
40:22that every single person who loves
40:24Shannan is telling law enforcement that
40:27Shannan would have never left the home
40:29without her cell phone, without the
40:31girl's car seats, and without her
40:33medication, let alone everything else
40:36she left behind. But Detective Coder is
40:39no fool. He knows that Shannan didn't
40:41leave through the backyard that morning.
40:44And he knows that the only person who
40:46does know where she is and where his
40:49children are is the man sitting in front
40:51of him. So, we talked about her
40:53decompression a few times. Where would
40:55she do that? She would have to go to her
40:57friend's house to do that. She wouldn't
40:58just go anywhere. Not with the kids.
41:02I've checked. She had if she had any
41:04cash on her, I'm not sure like how much
41:06she would have had on her. She doesn't
41:07usually doesn't carry much cash and the
41:09cash she had in her wallet was from Cole
41:11the previous day. Mhm. From coal. Oh,
41:14okay. She told me that was the cash you
41:15gave her. I saw when you found her purse
41:17for what?
41:20I'm not sure. She didn't tell me. Okay.
41:22But um that was only cash out of her
41:23wallet. And is that still at the house
41:25she said? Yeah. Okay. So, is her license
41:29in the wallet? Yeah. So, she's got no
41:31cash that we know of. No license, no
41:34phone.
41:36Um, anything about the clothes in the
41:39closet, the hamper, the drawers that
41:41makes you think she packs some boots,
41:42she's going to the mountains?
41:45Like, she has so many clothes in that in
41:47that closet. Like, it's it'd be hard to
41:48really tell if she took a little amount.
41:52When she took a big amount, it'd be
41:53pretty obvious, but like a little
41:54amount, it would never. Okay. Detective
41:58Coder is going step by step through
42:00every possible item that Chris claims
42:03Shannan left behind. While it may seem
42:06like he's trying to ascertain where
42:08Shannan took the girls, it's very likely
42:10that he already knows Shannan's not
42:12coming home alive. The point of this
42:15exercise is to make Chris say out loud
42:18that Shannan left the house without her
42:20clothes, her medication, her phone, or
42:23anything else the girls needed. and let
42:25the absurdity of that answer hang in the
42:28air and force Chris to the realization
42:31that the only avenue he has left is to
42:34reveal what he did with his family. But
42:37this detective could not have possibly
42:39known the lengths that the man sitting
42:42in front of him would go to just to
42:44avoid the truth, even at the expense of
42:48being labeled one of the most evil men
42:50alive. And it's my experience that when
42:52you are dealing with someone who refuses
42:55to tell the truth, the only option that
42:58you have left is to do it for them. Can
43:01we back up a tiny bit? You come home. No
43:04one has been in the house. No. Okay. No
43:06one could get in the house. Is that
43:07right? Yeah. Unless you had a garage
43:09door. Okay. And that's how you got in.
43:11So at this point, you get there. Are the
43:13police there at this point? Yes. So you,
43:15the police, Nicole, that's it. Her son.
43:18Her son. What's your son's name?
43:21I think it's Nick.
43:26I think his name's Nick. Nick. And so
43:29you and Nicole aren't besties, per se.
43:32You and Nicole? Oh, no. Like, I mean,
43:34we're friends, but yeah, my wife and her
43:37are really good friends. Okay. And so
43:40Nick, you don't spend much time with
43:41Nick? No. Okay. Why is Nick there? That
43:45he was just with her with his mom. Okay.
43:49Is there anything weird about Nicole in
43:50there?
43:52Not that I really think of.
43:55Do you think anything about your wife
43:56not being around has anything to do with
43:58Nicole in there?
44:01I would hope not.
44:03I mean, like Nicole is one of her good
44:05friends. Okay, so let's review.
44:08Detective Coder is asking Chris about
44:10what happened when he arrived home from
44:12work the afternoon of August 13th. He
44:15then asks Chris if Nicole Atkinson and
44:18her son Nick could have possibly been
44:21involved in the disappearance of Shannan
44:23and the girls. Chris Watts knows that
44:26Nicole Atkinson had nothing to do with
44:29his crimes. And instead of showing any
44:32semblance of decency by affirming Nicole
44:35Atkinson's innocence, he instead
44:37responds by saying, "I don't know if she
44:40was involved. I certainly hope not." Try
44:43to imagine the enormity of his response.
44:46If law enforcement didn't already have
44:48considerable information that suggested
44:51Chris's involvement, he could have
44:53placed Nicole Atkinson at the center of
44:56their investigation, wasting time and
44:59more importantly putting an innocent
45:01person under suspicion for the crimes
45:04that he committed. And while this
45:06investigation may have been rushed, we
45:09can be grateful that the detectives
45:11involved were smart enough to see
45:14through the avalanche of what's endless
45:16lies and misdirection.
45:20Begin calling around to anyone I know
45:22that could know something or maybe she
45:24shan calling locals, hospitals, and
45:26hospitals as well. 7:30 p.m. Friends,
45:30Nick and a man come by to show support.
45:34So 6 p.m. began calling around anyone I
45:36know that could know something or maybe
45:37seen. What happened there? Same thing
45:41like everybody that I've talked to is
45:43just like they haven't heard from her.
45:44They haven't seen her. They nothing
45:48called H. Who's helping you make these
45:50calls? That's just me at this point.
45:52That's you by yourself. I was by myself.
45:53I'm sure Nicole and other people were
45:55doing that while they were gone.
45:57Detective Coder has been reading
45:59directly from the surprisingly detailed
46:02outline that Chris brought to his first
46:04interview. Coder reads the segment about
46:06how Chris called friends to try and see
46:08if anyone had heard from Shannan. But
46:10then he reads how Chris claimed to have
46:12called local hospitals to try and see if
46:15Shannan had been admitted. And while
46:17this detective doesn't yet know the full
46:19scope of the truth, he will soon find
46:22out that Chris had made those calls. In
46:24fact, what's called Good Samaritan
46:27Medical Center, St. Anthony North Health
46:29Campus, Longmont United Hospital, and UC
46:33Health in Broomfield. The only problem
46:35was that Chris made all four of those
46:37calls in a span of just 4 minutes. So,
46:40it was quite literally impossible for
46:43him to have spoken with anyone at these
46:45hospitals and confirmed the absence of
46:49his wife and children. But even in spite
46:51of the lack of information at this very
46:54early stage of their investigation,
46:56Detective Coder is about to challenge
46:59all of Watt's lies and force him to
47:02reveal his tell to reveal the truth
47:05behind his lies. Um, can we talk about
47:08something that's kind of hard to talk
47:10about?
47:13So, when I work investigations like
47:15this, I have to keep an open mind on
47:18everything. Okay.
47:22And part of keeping an open mind is
47:25listening to you talk about your wife
47:27and your marriage. And
47:30the day she goes missing is the day that
47:32you guys have marital this quarter.
47:34Okay.
47:37So you can understand when I'm thinking
47:39about you. Yeah. What do you think about
47:41that?
47:43Makes me sick in my stomach honestly.
47:44Like I know like I've talked to a few of
47:47my friends like you know this does not
47:49look good on you. I'm like I know it's
47:51like people that if people knew that we
47:54were having marital issues
47:56they're going to look at me especially
47:58with the way everything looks. It
48:00honestly just makes me sick to my
48:01stomach because this is something that I
48:03would never do
48:07ever.
48:09Now, you don't have to be a body
48:10language expert to know that everything
48:12Chris Watch just said is complete and
48:15utter BS. From the way that he responds
48:18to the question of his implied
48:20involvement to the way he holds his
48:22hands, everything about his affect
48:25implies guilt. Thankfully, the sheer
48:27volume of evidence that law enforcement
48:29was building against Watts was already
48:32considerable, and this is still a full
48:35day before the infamous polygraph. But
48:38Detective Coder isn't going to allow
48:40Chris to squirm away and deflect from
48:42his suspicion. In fact, for the next 45
48:46minutes, this investigator is going to
48:48push Watts into an allout confrontation.
48:52Coder is going to demand answers for
48:54what Chris did to Shannan and the girls.
48:57And by the time he's done, law
48:59enforcement will know with certainty
49:01exactly who their primary suspect is.
49:05I know like you have to look at every
49:08every vantage point. This is something I
49:10would never do to my kids or my wife at
49:13all.
49:22I'm not sure like what I could do to
49:25like to make people believe that just
49:27because if they
49:29they think you were have marital
49:31discord, they would all automatically
49:32believe me. But there's no I would harm
49:35anybody in my family
49:38at all.
49:47I know we were having marital discord
49:49and we had that conversation that
49:50morning and then she goes, "We have no
49:54idea where she is or the kids."
49:59I promise you that has nothing to do
50:02with any of that.
50:14Very sign of the truth. Absolutely true.
50:19Why should I believe you? Because I'm a
50:21very trustworthy person. And the people
50:23that do know me, they know how I'm a
50:25calm person. I am not an argumentative
50:28person. I am a person who is
50:32never going to be abusive or physical in
50:35any kind of relationship. I will never
50:37harm my kids. I will never harm my wife.
50:41You can talk I mean you can talk to any
50:43of my friends, any of her friends. They
50:46know me. They know I'm a low-key guy
50:50that's quiet. I'm I'm not about
50:53confrontation. I'm not about anything
50:56that elevates to that level.
51:00I mean, like if someone like yells at
51:02me, screams at me. I just take it and I
51:05just try to get it by the wayside and
51:08get it back to where it's cool. It's a
51:10cool conversation to where like none of
51:12that none of that gets to that height.
51:14And I am not that person. Over the last
51:172 minutes, Chris Watts has
51:18unintentionally walked himself into one
51:21of the most elaborate traps that he
51:23could have possibly imagined. Detective
51:26Coder is letting Chris convict himself.
51:29He wants him to talk because every good
51:32investigator understands that they need
51:34the defendant to tell their story
51:37because every case has the potential to
51:40end up in front of a jury or in front of
51:43an appellet court. One of the most
51:45significant things that Chris said was
51:47near the end of that segment. He said,
51:50"When someone yells at me or screams at
51:53me, I just take it." I believe that the
51:56person you need to worry about most, it
51:59isn't typically the loudmouth or the
52:02arrogant braggards or even the ones who
52:04may appear dangerous. In my experience,
52:08the most perilous person of all is the
52:11person who gets yelled and screamed at
52:13and just takes it. But it's how Chris
52:16described himself that I want you to pay
52:18very close attention to. When Cota asks
52:21him why he should believe that Chris did
52:24not harm his family, Chris responds by
52:27telling him that he is a trustworthy
52:29person. Of course, now we know that his
52:32response was a complete and utter lie,
52:34but you will want to remember his
52:37undeniable tell. When Chris Watts lies,
52:40he describes himself as someone who
52:43friends and family would call
52:45trustworthy. Love those shoes, even
52:47though they were winter shoes. They were
52:50what? Winter shoes.
52:55Those are her boots, aren't they?
52:57was gonna sell them off to uh like that
53:01Facebook marketplace. She had them on
53:03the on the window seal there. And when
53:08we got back from North Carolina, since
53:10she saw them sitting over there and she
53:13proceeded to take them back and wear
53:14them every day since they got back, no
53:18matter if it was 100° outside or what,
53:20she loved those shoes.
53:23She always loves those shoes.
53:26Bella,
53:28she always wore some flip-flops. She
53:29always she just like she love that
53:31dress. She love the flip flops.
53:35She love that dress.
53:38The buns in the back.
53:41Everything we just heard rings at the
53:43heart of why so many people were so
53:46affected by this case. For just a
53:48moment, erase everything you know about
53:51this case. Imagine that all we know is
53:53that this is a father sitting in a
53:55police station interview room on the
53:58heels of his entire family seemingly
54:01disappearing into thin air. So then why
54:04is he not showing any emotion? Why is he
54:08laughing and acting like this is a time
54:10to casually reflect on his daughter's
54:13favorite items of clothing? You see,
54:16what Chris doesn't seem to understand is
54:18that his behavior alone could have
54:21convicted him in front of a jury without
54:24any other evidence. No father who claims
54:27to love his children would be sitting
54:29there while they are missing with such
54:32an apathetic and indifferent
54:34disposition. Even a psychopath would
54:37find a way to fabricate the appearance
54:40of concern. But I suppose that's why law
54:43enforcement wasn't able to profile Chris
54:46because not even they could conceive the
54:48depravity of what this man had done. I'm
54:52fell in love with those spaghetti strap
54:53dresses. She likes long dresses.
55:00She was a girly girl
55:02always.
55:06She just was like she want I always like
55:08put on a Supergirl t-shirt and she loved
55:10it every time.
55:16Casey always be smiling though.
55:19Bella, you have to like really kind of
55:21want some gum.
55:25She said you want some gum. She wasn't
55:27looking in this picture.
55:30She's always just on camera.
55:41I got to find him, right?
55:44I need your help. When I began my
55:47analysis of this case, I started with
55:50the very end, specifically when law
55:52enforcement interviewed Watts at Dodge
55:54Correctional in Wisconsin. Since that
55:57time, I have slowly worked my way back
56:00to the beginning. So, you'll have to
56:01forgive me when I say that hearing Chris
56:04ask Detective Coder, you're gonna find
56:06them, right? Those words make me see
56:09red. Listen, from the perspective of
56:12Chris, I get that he had to lie, and I
56:14understand that people use the excuse
56:17that he was an introvert. that somehow
56:20justifies his callous indifference. But
56:23none of that is an excuse for the
56:25heinous abomination waiting for these
56:28officers at Servy 319. And that's the
56:32reason why so many of us refuse to
56:34relent on this case. Because if Chris
56:36was coerced or encouraged in any way,
56:41this case should have ended in two
56:43convictions, not one. But thankfully,
56:46Detective Coder is about to pivot and
56:49walk Chris into another ambush while
56:52forcing him to reveal his true motive,
56:55the real reason why he committed this
56:58crime. Can we keep talking about some
57:00complicated things that some things are
57:02going to make you uncomfortable? That's
57:04fine. Okay. Um, and I think you know why
57:07I have to ask them. Okay. And part of
57:10the job. It's a hard job. It is a hard
57:12job. And I'm going to ask you one thing
57:15and you're going to give me an answer.
57:17Then I'm going to ask it just a slight
57:18bit different and you're going to give
57:20me an answer and then about 10
57:21iterations of this you might get annoyed
57:23but I do that to make sure that we
57:25understand each other. Okay. Is that all
57:27right? Yeah. Okay.
57:29Um
57:32so we have
57:35your daughters who are missing. We have
57:37your wife who's missing. Okay. And
57:40that's the most important thing right
57:42now. Okay. Um, do you agree with that?
57:45Yes. Okay. So, you've done very good in
57:48talking to me about this really hard
57:50conversation you guys had. Okay. Very
57:53good. That's sometimes hard. And I
57:55understand why sometimes someone in your
57:58position says uh doesn't want to tell me
58:00about that cuz please go help me find my
58:03kids and you don't need to know about my
58:05my marriage argument. Okay. So, I got to
58:08say you've done very good at that. Um,
58:10and I need you to keep doing that. So, I
58:12need to ask you about um your marriage
58:15and uh infidelity. Sure. Okay. Tell me
58:19about it. I've never cheated on my wife.
58:22Okay. And I fully suspect she has never
58:25done that to me. Oh, okay. Like, she's
58:28always been a trustworthy person. I've
58:30always been a trustworthy person. I
58:32fully expect if we ever thought about
58:35straying another way that we would tell
58:38each other before it happened.
58:41I think that sounds ridiculous.
58:44I'm a trustworthy person. You remember
58:48just minutes ago Chris used that same
58:50descriptor for himself when he lied and
58:53said that he did not harm his family.
58:56What we just saw was a masterful display
58:59of police work by Detective Coder. He
59:01used empathy and kindness to praise
59:04Chris for opening up about the argument
59:06that he claimed to have had with
59:08Shannan. And in so doing, Chris dropped
59:10his guard long enough to not see Coder
59:13counterpunch and force Watts to reveal
59:17another lie. Coder knows that Chris has
59:20been in near constant communication with
59:22Nicole Kessinger. He knows that Watts is
59:25lying about his question concerning
59:27infidelity and what Coder says next.
59:31Well, there's only one way to describe
59:33it. Chef's kiss. She's always been a
59:36trustworthy person. I've always been a
59:38trustworthy person. I fully expect if we
59:41ever thought about straying another way
59:45that we would tell each other before it
59:47happened.
59:49I think that sounds ridiculous.
59:52Okay. Cuz in the history of the earth,
59:54nobody ever does that. Okay. I just I
59:57just that's what I would like to think.
59:59Okay. I mean I mean I know mistakes
1:00:01happen like you know but that's what I
1:00:03in my head that's what I would think
1:00:05would h I would hope would happen.
1:00:07But now, even though I think that sounds
1:00:09ridiculous, if I was in your shoes, I'd
1:00:11say the exact same thing. And I believe
1:00:13that, okay? But I kind of don't. And you
1:00:16can imagine in my job, I meet all kinds
1:00:17of people. And you can imagine that
1:00:19there are people who have Saturdays with
1:00:21their girlfriends and Sundays with their
1:00:23wives, right? And they consider
1:00:25themselves to be very virtuous people.
1:00:27And this is why I believe DA Ror made an
1:00:30enormous mistake by allowing this
1:00:33investigation to stop after just 86
1:00:36days. Because Detective Coder and his
1:00:39counterpart, Agent Tammy Lee, were far
1:00:41and away the only law enforcement agents
1:00:45who understood how to get Chris Watts to
1:00:48talk. Detective Coder called out Watt's
1:00:51obvious lie, but he knows that he has a
1:00:54lot more information that could cause
1:00:56Chris to completely shut down. Right
1:00:59now, Chris Watts is there on his own
1:01:01valition, and Coder understands that if
1:01:04he pushes too hard, too fast, their
1:01:07investigation will come to a halt and
1:01:09will be funneled through the lens of an
1:01:12aggressive defense lawyer. It's a tight
1:01:15rope walk that Detective Coder does with
1:01:17masterful precision. And while Chris
1:01:20continues to deny having an affair, in
1:01:23the next few minutes, Detective Coder
1:01:25will change the subject entirely and
1:01:28expose Chris in another lie that he will
1:01:31not be able to recover from.
1:01:34When did you start pulling? It wasn't in
1:01:37the last 5 weeks. It has been ongoing
1:01:40process for probably about a year. Why?
1:01:43I just felt like everything that we had
1:01:45when we first started dating and like we
1:01:48met in 2010. Everything, you know, your
1:01:50new relationship sparked, everything
1:01:52caught in heaven, everything's great.
1:01:54Get married, everything's still great.
1:01:56And then like, you know, people just
1:01:58fall out of love. And that's that's
1:02:00where I was. Like I just felt like over
1:02:03the last year I thought that like, okay,
1:02:05maybe maybe this is just like a face.
1:02:07Maybe, you know, like just you know,
1:02:09this is what happened. Like you've been
1:02:10with somebody so long. maybe like you
1:02:12know the spark in there just reunited
1:02:14somehow some way but you know our
1:02:17conversations weren't the same like when
1:02:19we were apart like everything was just
1:02:20like you know short and it was just like
1:02:24it nothing felt right anymore the
1:02:26disconnection was there and it just
1:02:28never felt right anymore or why there is
1:02:32a very clear reason why detective coder
1:02:35is asking Chris about his marriage
1:02:37falling apart this detective already
1:02:40knows that Watts began and his affair
1:02:42with Kessinger around the same time that
1:02:44he claims his relationship with Shannan
1:02:47completely collapsed. Coder is trying to
1:02:50gauge what kind of person Watts is. And
1:02:52sadly, every time he asks the question,
1:02:56but why, he's obtaining a clear view of
1:02:59who Chris is and exactly what he was
1:03:02capable of doing. And can I just mention
1:03:05for a second how annoying it is that
1:03:07Chris is speaking fluent Nicoles right
1:03:10now. Listen, I'm not judging you if you
1:03:12use the word like as a filler word, but
1:03:15this is a grown man and it's impossible
1:03:18not to notice that he talks exactly the
1:03:20same way that Nicole Kessinger does
1:03:23whenever she lies. Our conversations
1:03:25weren't the same like whenever we were
1:03:28apart like and it was just like and I
1:03:30didn't feel it like Chris for the love
1:03:32of God stop it. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry
1:03:36but I do have good news. We're going to
1:03:38skip the part where Watts continues to
1:03:41overuse the word like and arrive at the
1:03:43moment where Detective Coder finally
1:03:46confronts Chris. The moment where Chris
1:03:49will finally show real emotion, but not
1:03:52sadness or empathy or anything that a
1:03:55normal father would be feeling on the
1:03:58heels of losing his entire family. Chris
1:04:01Watts is about to show this season
1:04:03detective the anger he's been hiding
1:04:06this whole time. Pay close attention to
1:04:09the next 10 minutes because it is the
1:04:12most important segment of this entire
1:04:15interview.
1:04:16So, let's have a hard conversation
1:04:18again. Okay.
1:04:27How old are they? Four and three. I'll
1:04:30be five in December. Okay.
1:04:36You can imagine that every day that goes
1:04:38by gets harder to find. Where we don't
1:04:40find your girls, it's going to get
1:04:43harder to find.
1:04:45We're going to have less clues.
1:04:48Things that we need to get and we need
1:04:50to use. The methods that we need to do
1:04:52to find them are going to start
1:04:55getting blown away by weather getting
1:04:58re-recorded over themselves at the
1:04:59surveillance that's going to tell us.
1:05:02All of that is going to disappear. Okay?
1:05:06And that's why we're going to spend so
1:05:07much time today, tomorrow as as in the
1:05:10front as we can, right?
1:05:13You can also imagine that every day that
1:05:14goes by,
1:05:19we're going to be looking for
1:05:22the man who did this. Okay? And you can
1:05:25imagine that we're going to include you
1:05:28as Batman.
1:05:32So,
1:05:34let's talk about that.
1:05:37I think that
1:05:39you're trying to put on a great face
1:05:41because you're a man and you're a father
1:05:42and you're a husband.
1:05:44I can tell that there's just something
1:05:47you're not telling me.
1:05:49And I'm not sure what it is. I don't
1:05:52know why that is. I don't know why
1:05:53you're not telling me, but there's
1:05:55something that's making you a little bit
1:05:56uncomfortable.
1:06:01I just don't believe some of the things
1:06:03you're telling me. Okay. I just don't
1:06:06simply do not believe you. Detective
1:06:08Coder has just called Chris out on the
1:06:11numerous lies that he already knows he's
1:06:13told. Coder clearly wants Chris to sit
1:06:16with the reality that the things he's
1:06:18told law enforcement do not ring true.
1:06:22And that's why he took the time to
1:06:24carefully construct this confrontation.
1:06:26It's why he told him directly that he
1:06:28simply does not believe him. Because the
1:06:31words that come out of Watt's mouth
1:06:34immediately after he's told that he's a
1:06:36liar tell law enforcement everything
1:06:39they need to know about the man sitting
1:06:41in front of them claiming to love his
1:06:44family. I just don't believe some of the
1:06:46things you're telling. Okay. I just
1:06:49don't simply do not believe you.
1:06:56What makes you think? What have I said
1:06:59that makes you not believe me at all?
1:07:03This just doesn't make sense to me. It
1:07:05doesn't add up. What have I said that
1:07:07makes you not believe me at all? Those
1:07:10are the words of a guilty man. And if I
1:07:13knew nothing else about this case, and
1:07:15this was the only interview that I was
1:07:18ever allowed to see, this would be the
1:07:20moment that I knew that Chris Watts was
1:07:23guilty of this crime. No innocent person
1:07:26would speak this way. But there is
1:07:28something very interesting about his
1:07:30answer that sheds light on the person
1:07:33sitting in that seat. For years, experts
1:07:36have opined that Watt's behavior
1:07:38demonstrates the actions of someone who
1:07:40is a disconnected introvert with signs
1:07:43of psychopathic tendencies. And he wants
1:07:46to know specifically what he said that
1:07:49sounds so incriminating so that he can
1:07:52change it. It's a near textbook example
1:07:55of the way that psychopaths and
1:07:57sociopaths behave. But now that Coder
1:08:00has him against the ropes, he will
1:08:02reveal a truth about Chris that is one
1:08:04of the most poignant and accurate
1:08:07descriptors of the man that would come
1:08:09from this investigation. The tale of two
1:08:12Chris's. So, can we talk about
1:08:15two Chrises?
1:08:18Crises. The tale of two Chrises. Canada.
1:08:22Um, and you need to help me know which
1:08:24Chris I'm looking at today and which
1:08:26Chris you really are. So
1:08:30Chris number one is right here, right?
1:08:34And
1:08:41fell out of love with his wife. Okay.
1:08:46Wondering what it might be if he didn't
1:08:47have a wife to take care of and a girl
1:08:49to take care of.
1:08:52spent some time alone. Liked that time
1:08:55alone.
1:08:57Came home.
1:08:59May or may not have had a conversation
1:09:01about how to get out of this marriage or
1:09:04how to fix it, but probably how to get
1:09:06out of it.
1:09:08Is looking at a bachelor pad in Brighton
1:09:11and
1:09:14did something terrible to his wife and
1:09:17kids.
1:09:19And that may have been an accident. I
1:09:21think it was an accident.
1:09:25That's not the curse you're looking at
1:09:27right now. I want you to try to imagine
1:09:29that you are sitting in that seat right
1:09:32now. A veteran detective has just spent
1:09:35the last several hours revealing the
1:09:37numerous inaccuracies in your story. And
1:09:40now he's directly accusing you of
1:09:43committing a quadruple homicide. So what
1:09:46would you say in response? Well, if
1:09:48you're Chris Watts, your response is to
1:09:50say, "That's not the Chris you're
1:09:52looking at right now." And in some weird
1:09:54and twisted way, that might actually be
1:09:57true, because the man sitting in front
1:09:59of this detective isn't the same man who
1:10:02just hours before committed one of the
1:10:04most heinous crimes you could imagine.
1:10:06But I suppose it's good that Chris Watts
1:10:09was arrogant enough to think that he
1:10:11could talk his way out of this crime
1:10:13because it's the words he would speak
1:10:15over the next 24 hours that would
1:10:17guarantee that he would never see the
1:10:20outside of a prison cell for the rest of
1:10:22his natural life. What do you think it's
1:10:25going to look like
1:10:27when someone finds out that it was not
1:10:30you that called 911?
1:10:34Everybody's going to have their own
1:10:36perceptions about what's going on here,
1:10:38but I know my wife. I know that
1:10:43sometimes she doesn't text me back. I
1:10:45know that happens.
1:10:48I I've I've been multiple times
1:10:51throughout many days. If she's busy with
1:10:54work, it doesn't happen. Chris was just
1:10:57asked what he thinks the general public
1:10:59will say about his inaction concerning
1:11:02not having called 911. And in response,
1:11:05he says, "Everyone is going to have
1:11:07their own perceptions about what is
1:11:10going on here." For the last 7 years,
1:11:13Chris Watts has continuously shown his
1:11:16disdain for everyone who watched this
1:11:18case unfold in real time. He believes
1:11:21that he doesn't owe anyone anything at
1:11:25all. not the truth, not accountability,
1:11:28and certainly not a sincere apology to
1:11:31the family whose lives he destroyed. But
1:11:33if you could distill my central
1:11:36reasoning for why I believe this case
1:11:38remains unresolved, it's because I
1:11:41believe that his lack of humility only
1:11:44lasted this long. Because he truly
1:11:46believed that this would end with Nicole
1:11:49Kessinger by his side. And while he will
1:11:52never live to see that day, I want to do
1:11:55everything in my power to make sure that
1:11:58Nicole Kessinger is held accountable for
1:12:01whatever her involvement may have been.
1:12:04And even though the two of them will
1:12:06never be able to be together again,
1:12:09maybe they can settle for sharing
1:12:11matching jumpsuits instead. We're back
1:12:13to his tale of two crazy. Okay. Is it
1:12:17Chris who cares?
1:12:19Um, I care. I promise. Tell me about the
1:12:23call to your daycare
1:12:25to the primrose.
1:12:27I called them to see if the girls were
1:12:29there. He said they weren't there. Okay.
1:12:33I told him since they weren't there,
1:12:34just put them back on the waiting list.
1:12:36That's not what you told.
1:12:39I told him that we were going to sell
1:12:40the house or put on the market or
1:12:43probably won't be in the area anymore.
1:12:44That's two different things, Chris.
1:12:46Well, I wanted them to be back on on put
1:12:49them on the away list since they weren't
1:12:50there.
1:12:52Why weren't they there? I don't know.
1:12:55Where were they going to go? They went
1:12:57to a Sen took him to a friend's house.
1:12:59Why wasn't they go to daycare?
1:13:02I am not sure. Uh honestly, sir, I am
1:13:05not sure. Detective Coder is in the
1:13:07final stages of this confrontation. And
1:13:10for the first time since Watts walked
1:13:12through that door, he's about to see
1:13:14that other Chris. the one he knows is
1:13:17responsible for this crime. Coder starts
1:13:20by asking Chris to explain what happened
1:13:23when he called Primrose to tell them
1:13:25that the girls would not be coming in
1:13:26that day. As usual, Chris lies. He says
1:13:29he called Primrose to see if the girls
1:13:31were there. Now, Coder knows that this
1:13:33is entirely untrue, but instead of
1:13:36ignoring it, he completely calls out his
1:13:38lie and lets Chris know that he knows
1:13:41it's a fabrication. Immediately, Chris
1:13:44pivots and concocts an entirely new set
1:13:46of lies, now saying that he told them
1:13:49that he was going to sell the house and
1:13:51asked to put the girls back on the
1:13:53waiting list. But law enforcement has
1:13:55already spoken with Primrose Elementary,
1:13:58and they know exactly what Chris said
1:14:00the day prior. And what he actually said
1:14:03was that the girls would no longer be
1:14:05attending that school at all. He never
1:14:08said anything about putting his house on
1:14:10the market. And Coder knows that. But
1:14:12the more he pushes Chris, the more that
1:14:14he can see this man has no interest in
1:14:18revealing any version of the truth. But
1:14:20watch this next segment closely and
1:14:23specifically look at Watt's behavior and
1:14:25mannerisms because Detective Coder is
1:14:28about to tell Chris the one thing that
1:14:30will cause him to show his true colors
1:14:33and reveal the other Chris. The man who
1:14:36Detective Coder knows actually committed
1:14:38this crime. It's hard for me as a father
1:14:41to talk to you about this. Not because
1:14:44it's the hard issue to talk about. It's
1:14:46because I'm worried about your daughters
1:14:49under your care.
1:14:52You shouldn't have to worry about them
1:14:53under my care. I watched them all
1:14:56weekend.
1:14:59I went to went to a pool party. Went to
1:15:01a pool party at Jeremy Lynn's house.
1:15:04It's like I love those kids
1:15:07with all my heart.
1:15:11Nothing in this world would ever make me
1:15:12do anything to these kids or my wife.
1:15:16This was truly some of the finest police
1:15:18work that was conducted by anyone during
1:15:22this investigation. Detective Coder has
1:15:25just sprung his trap and forced Chris to
1:15:27show who he really is. But I want to
1:15:30revisit that moment one more time as
1:15:33Chris responds to Coder saying, "I'm
1:15:35worried about your daughters under your
1:15:38care." Listen to his tone and the way
1:15:41that Chris responds to that statement.
1:15:44I'm worried about your daughters under
1:15:46your care.
1:15:49You shouldn't have to worry about them
1:15:50under my care. I watched them all
1:15:53weekend. Did you hear that? just how
1:15:56angry Chris sounds when he said, "I
1:15:58watched them all weekend." It's one of
1:16:01the only times that we get to hear and
1:16:03see what Chris Watts is truly capable
1:16:06of. You see, Chris spent most of his
1:16:09life hiding in plain sight. He fooled
1:16:12everyone around him into a false sense
1:16:15of security that he was a safe and
1:16:18harmless man because he doesn't seem to
1:16:20understand that just because he was a
1:16:23generally good person before the morning
1:16:25of August 13th, that does nothing to
1:16:28change what he did. In this case, the
1:16:31bad so far outweighs the good that even
1:16:34mentioning the man he was before is a
1:16:37slap in the face to the memory of his
1:16:39entire family. I've said it before and
1:16:42I'll say it again. Some of the most
1:16:44dangerous people you'll ever meet.
1:16:47They're the quiet ones. The people who
1:16:50hold in their anger and do just like
1:16:52Chris said in this interview. The people
1:16:54who stay quiet and take it. And if you
1:16:58ever have the misfortune of meeting
1:17:00someone like that, there's only one
1:17:02thing you should do. Run. Nothing you
1:17:06told me tonight makes sense.
1:17:08Nothing you've told me tonight feels
1:17:10like the truth.
1:17:16Can we start over? Sure.
1:17:20[Applause]
1:17:31I think that
1:17:36there's something that happened.
1:17:39That got me a little bit out of control.
1:17:43There was no fight. There was nothing
1:17:45physical.
1:17:47It was a It was a conversation. There
1:17:49was There's no We didn't raise our
1:17:50voice. Nothing.
1:17:56I promised you that there was there was
1:17:58nothing physical with this conversation.
1:18:01Nothing you've told me tonight makes
1:18:04sense. Nothing you've told me tonight
1:18:07feels like the truth. The words that
1:18:09Detective Coder just spoke are powerful
1:18:12and they force Chris to come to the
1:18:14realization that this isn't going away,
1:18:17that he is going to have to reveal the
1:18:20truth or at least some version of it.
1:18:22But in response to this direct
1:18:25confrontation of Watt's entire timeline
1:18:27of events, what we see is Chris choosing
1:18:30to continue to lie. And his obstinate
1:18:34refusal to share space with the truth
1:18:36forces Detective Coder to the
1:18:38realization that the only way they will
1:18:40find Shenan and the girls is to force
1:18:43this man to see the truth. To see that
1:18:46there's no way out. But before Detective
1:18:49Coder concludes this first interview
1:18:51with their prime suspect, he will place
1:18:54one final piece of bait on the line and
1:18:56ask Chris the question that every good
1:18:59law enforcement investigator knows to
1:19:02ask. The question that will eliminate
1:19:04any further doubt of who is responsible
1:19:07for the disappearance of Shannan, Bella,
1:19:11and Cece. When we find the guy who took
1:19:13him,
1:19:16what do you think we should do?
1:19:20Honestly, like
1:19:24they're going to come home safe.
1:19:25Correct.
1:19:27When you find the guy when we find the
1:19:29guy, they're going to come home.
1:19:34Life in prison would be the That's what
1:19:37I That's what I would think. But two
1:19:38kids. When we find the guy who took
1:19:41them, what do you think we should do?
1:19:43That's a question that law enforcement
1:19:45uses to gauge the subtle and overt
1:19:47response of the suspect they are
1:19:50interrogating. The idea is simple. An
1:19:52innocent man in the situation would
1:19:55likely advocate for the most serious
1:19:57sentence available. They would demand
1:20:00justice and want the offender to be
1:20:02shown the most serious form of
1:20:04punishment the law would allow. On the
1:20:06other hand, a guilty person would
1:20:09support a much lighter sentence because
1:20:11they know that that sentence is going to
1:20:13be the one they serve. And what we just
1:20:16saw was Chris Watts playing the
1:20:18awardwinning role of the guiltiest man
1:20:21alive. But isn't it strange that Watts
1:20:24asked Detective Coder the question,
1:20:26"They're going to come home safe."
1:20:28Correct. I'm sorry, but what kind of
1:20:31stupid question is that? I'm starting to
1:20:33wonder if Watts suffered from some kind
1:20:35of TBI because that's the only logical
1:20:39explanation for such a shockingly
1:20:41idiotic question like that. Now, just
1:20:43for a second, indulge me. In what
1:20:46universe? Would this detective possibly
1:20:48know whether or not your children are
1:20:52coming home safe or not? Chris, now I'm
1:20:55not dumb. I know you probably thought it
1:20:57was smart to try and sound like you
1:20:59believed your family was safe and coming
1:21:01home, but in retrospect, everything you
1:21:04just said in light of what we know you
1:21:07did is completely disgusting. And the
1:21:10worst part of it all is that you are now
1:21:13using religion to shield yourself and
1:21:16hide behind it so that you don't have to
1:21:18take public responsibility for your own
1:21:21actions. But don't worry because Chris
1:21:24isn't done humiliating himself yet. In
1:21:26fact, he's about to double down.
1:21:30What if he hurt them?
1:21:36Did they
1:21:37I'm not sure if like that penalty is
1:21:40even used. Is it used in Colorado? I am
1:21:43not even sure what is the death penalty.
1:21:45Okay. I I mean like if these kids are
1:21:48not alive like there's no there's
1:21:51nothing you could do to to cope with
1:21:54that to make me cope with that if those
1:21:57kids are not okay. Okay. So let's review
1:22:00the nonsense words we just heard. And I
1:22:03quote I mean like if these kids are not
1:22:06alive there's no there's nothing you
1:22:09could do to cope with that to make me
1:22:12cope with that if those kids are not
1:22:14okay. quote. Now, if I didn't know any
1:22:17better, I would say that this is the
1:22:19first alphab build of a chat GPT
1:22:21response that is so filled with complete
1:22:23BS that it no longer qualifies as
1:22:26existing within the lexicon of the
1:22:29English language. But let's go ahead and
1:22:31break it down. Chris just said that if
1:22:34these kids are not alive, wait, did you
1:22:36mean your kids, Chris? But then he says,
1:22:39there's nothing you could do to cope.
1:22:42And it's almost like immediately he
1:22:44realizes how dispassionate he sounds. So
1:22:46he corrects himself by saying that if
1:22:48something happened to those kids, not
1:22:50his kids, there's nothing you could do
1:22:53to make him cope with that. Chris, let
1:22:55me hold your hand with a paper towel in
1:22:57between and say the obvious thing right
1:22:59now. This is not how a concerned father
1:23:02who actually loves their children talks
1:23:05about their disappearance. But it's here
1:23:08at the conclusion of this first
1:23:10interview that I want to reiterate
1:23:12something very important. I accept that
1:23:16Chris Watts is responsible for this
1:23:18crime. That his actions leave the only
1:23:20logical conclusion that he actually
1:23:23deserves far worse than spending the
1:23:25rest of his life in prison. But we have
1:23:29to remember that in the eyes of the law,
1:23:31Chris Watts can retain responsibility
1:23:34for this crime. he can spend the rest of
1:23:36his life hiding behind a veil of prison
1:23:39religion while at the same time sharing
1:23:42the legal responsibility of this crime
1:23:45with anyone else who is involved in any
1:23:49way. Until now, I have been reticent to
1:23:52say these words, but they are important
1:23:55in light of what has been revealed over
1:23:57the last several chapters of our
1:23:59analysis. I believe the evidence we've
1:24:02uncovered supports the claim that Nicole
1:24:05Kessinger is likely involved with
1:24:07directing, encouraging, or inspiring
1:24:11Chris Watts to commit this crime. And
1:24:13that is precisely how Charles Manson was
1:24:16charged and sentenced to life in prison.
1:24:19The law recognized that his influence,
1:24:22direction, and coercion was the central
1:24:25cause of those horrific crimes. So,
1:24:28there's only one thing left to say.
1:24:31District Attorney Michael Ror, it's time
1:24:33to do your job. The job you were elected
1:24:36to do. It's time to put aside your
1:24:39pride, your ego, and your inability to
1:24:42accept criticism. And finally, do what
1:24:45justice demands. Because frankly, after
1:24:49all these years, I'm sick and tired of
1:24:52watching the entire true crime community
1:24:55do your job for you.
1:25:00Over the last several years, there has
1:25:02been a considerable shift in the
1:25:04political climate throughout the United
1:25:06States of America. But no matter what
1:25:08side of the aisle you are on, one thing
1:25:11we can all agree on is that our elected
1:25:14officials remain accountable to us. No
1:25:18one is immune from criticism, most
1:25:21especially the DA of Weld County,
1:25:23Colorado. Until now, everyone who is
1:25:26even remotely familiar with the story
1:25:29has been told by DA Ror, CBI, and local
1:25:33law enforcement that Chris and Nicole
1:25:36communicated for the very last time on
1:25:39the morning of August 14th, 2018. Law
1:25:42enforcement tells us that they confirm
1:25:45this with Chris's cell phone records
1:25:47despite admitting to never properly
1:25:49searching Nicole Kessingers's phone or
1:25:52the myriad of information that she
1:25:54intentionally deleted from it. Because
1:25:57we know that at 6:21 p.m., the day of
1:26:00August 14th, Nicole Kessinger was busy
1:26:03searching the internet for news
1:26:05concerning the disappearance of Shenan
1:26:08and the girls. the same person. She
1:26:11would claim that she was not at all
1:26:13concerned for her safety. But in
1:26:15Detective Prill's report, he notes
1:26:18Nicole's detailed and obsessive searches
1:26:20that she continuously conducted over the
1:26:23course of several hours throughout that
1:26:25day. Searches that were all deleted. But
1:26:29the detective, he takes it further and
1:26:32writes the following. These searches
1:26:34were conducted frequently by Kessinger
1:26:37throughout the next several days. She
1:26:40deleted every single one of them after
1:26:44each search. We also know that at 5:00
1:26:47p.m. that same afternoon, Nicole was
1:26:50frantically searching the internet,
1:26:51wanting to know, can cops trace text
1:26:54messages, and how long do phone
1:26:57companies keep text messages? Detective
1:27:00Prill's report could not have been more
1:27:03clear. He was practically pleading with
1:27:05his fellow law enforcement colleagues to
1:27:08conduct further investigation into the
1:27:11uncertainty of where Chris and Nicole
1:27:13were communicating from. But in case you
1:27:16need a reminder, let's briefly revisit a
1:27:19mere fraction of the facts we now know
1:27:22concerning Nicole Kessingers's treasure
1:27:24trove of lies. Time and time again, we
1:27:28have demonstrated the numerous occasions
1:27:30when Nicole Kessinger's story simply did
1:27:33not line up with the truth. We have
1:27:35proven that Nicole lied about not
1:27:37knowing Shannan's name, a name that she
1:27:40searched on Google half a year before
1:27:43ever claiming to have met Chris Watts at
1:27:46all. We know that Nicole patently
1:27:49misrepresented the seriousness of her
1:27:52relationship with Chris, lying to law
1:27:54enforcement and downplaying the constant
1:27:57pressure that she was applying to him in
1:28:00order to compel him to leave his wife
1:28:02Shannan. We also know that she told
1:28:05Chris that he would have to choose
1:28:08between her and his wife. And we proved
1:28:11that Nicole lied and claimed to be
1:28:13encouraging Chris to fix things with
1:28:16Shannan during his family trip to North
1:28:18Carolina, but in reality was sending
1:28:21Chris daily nude images to entice him to
1:28:25choose her instead. And the evidence
1:28:28substantiates that on the morning of
1:28:29August 13th, 2018, at the same time that
1:28:33Chris was in the process of covering up
1:28:35his crimes, Nicole Kessinger's phone
1:28:38pinged in Frederick at the cell tower
1:28:41directly next to the Watts residence.
1:28:44And in this episode alone, we've learned
1:28:47that the road that led up directly
1:28:49behind the Watts residence was a perfect
1:28:51route in and out of their home, which
1:28:54would have ensured that Nicole would not
1:28:56have been detected by the neighbor's
1:28:58security camera. The sheer volume of
1:29:01circumstantial and physical evidence
1:29:04that supports or suggests Nicole
1:29:06Kessingers's influence or outright
1:29:09involvement in this crime is both
1:29:11shocking and substantial. So, when we
1:29:15arrive at this moment on the evening of
1:29:17August 14th, the day after the crimes
1:29:20were committed, and we see Detective
1:29:22Prill nearly shouting at the DA, telling
1:29:25them that Nicole Kessinger was hiding a
1:29:28trail of information, it demands that DA
1:29:31Ror finally answer this question. Mr.
1:29:35Ror, why did no one in law enforcement
1:29:38or in your office ever bother to ask
1:29:41Watts or Kessinger where these pictures
1:29:44were coming from? Your discovery
1:29:46evidence clearly demonstrates that you
1:29:49conclusively verified that the pictures
1:29:51were not coming from Chris's text
1:29:53messages. So then why didn't you do your
1:29:56job and ascertain their origin? Now hold
1:30:00on before you answer. I actually have
1:30:02good news for you, sir. Because after 7
1:30:05years of you and your office outright
1:30:08refusing to properly investigate Nicole
1:30:11and determine the truth, I want to let
1:30:14you know that I've done your job for
1:30:16you. See, I know the answer to that
1:30:19question. And before I tell it to you, I
1:30:22want to read this segment from your
1:30:24discovery evidence one final time. I am
1:30:28certain Watts communicated far more with
1:30:32Kessinger than is reflected in his phone
1:30:36data, perhaps facilitated through the
1:30:38secret calculator application. It became
1:30:42apparent he was receiving assorted nude
1:30:45images of Kessinger that she was taking
1:30:47by herself and sending to Watts, which
1:30:51he then stashed in that application to
1:30:54prevent Shannan from ever seeing them.
1:30:57Months ago, I spoke with Chris Watt's
1:30:59former cellmate neighbor, Dylan Tolman.
1:31:02During our interview, I asked Tomman a
1:31:05series of questions concerning his
1:31:07friendship with Watts during their
1:31:09incarceration.
1:31:10It was during our conversation that
1:31:12Tomman randomly brought up the
1:31:14information about Watts and Kessingers's
1:31:17activities, and without even asking, he
1:31:19told me exactly where they were
1:31:21communicating from. The following is a
1:31:24brief excerpt from that interview.
1:31:27Chris already he got in a fight with CNN
1:31:33and
1:31:34over this stuff
1:31:37like I know he he said something about
1:31:38using a WhatsApp
1:31:41and the only way you can access that
1:31:43WhatsApp is if you go on his phone.
1:31:45Wait, wait, wait. Chris said he had a
1:31:47WhatsApp account. Yeah, that's what he
1:31:49told me.
1:31:51Wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on.
1:31:54What? Anyone has anyone from law
1:31:56enforcement ever asked you about this?
1:31:59No.
1:32:01So Chris admitted that he was
1:32:03communicating with Nicole over WhatsApp
1:32:08Yeah. Um that's like Facebook. It's like
1:32:11right. No, I know what it is. Twitter.
1:32:15It's a profile you have. Like we have
1:32:17it's a messenger service. Chris Watts
1:32:20and Nicole Kessinger were communicating
1:32:23from the third-party application
1:32:26WhatsApp. So, I would like to ask you,
1:32:28the audience, why in God's name is a
1:32:32YouTuber finding this new critical case
1:32:35information nearly 7 years after this
1:32:38case was closed? How can DA Ror or
1:32:42anyone in his office claim to have done
1:32:45their job when we are still finding out
1:32:47new information over half a decade after
1:32:50the fact? Because the next logical step
1:32:53in this process would be to find out
1:32:56what Chris and Nicole said in those
1:32:58messages to subpoena and obtain the
1:33:01records, the logs and data from WhatsApp
1:33:04and ascertain what Nicole knew at what
1:33:07time and the extent of what she was
1:33:10hiding. And as I've said, there is a
1:33:13reason why so many current and former
1:33:15members of law enforcement have
1:33:17continued to speak out in these comments
1:33:20sections because they recognize that
1:33:22this case remains incomplete. So the
1:33:25next time someone tells me, "Why do you
1:33:28still talk about this case?" I'll remind
1:33:30them that if I can find out new
1:33:33information about Chris Watts this long
1:33:36after the case was considered closed,
1:33:39then I can only imagine what else law
1:33:42enforcement could find if they would
1:33:45simply do their job. Last month on May
1:33:4930th, the Shelon County Sheriff's
1:33:50Department received a call from Whitney
1:33:53Decker. She explained that her daughters
1:33:55had not returned home from a scheduled
1:33:57visitation with their father, Travis.
1:34:00After a weekend of frantic searching,
1:34:03law enforcement would eventually locate
1:34:05Decker's truck near an empty campground
1:34:07in central Washington. Eventually, the
1:34:10remains of 5-year-old Olivia, 8-year-old
1:34:14Evelyn, and 9-year-old Payton were found
1:34:17a short distance from the campsite.
1:34:20Their father, Travis Decker, remains the
1:34:22subject of a nationwide manhunt and is
1:34:25the primary suspect in the triple
1:34:28homicide of his own daughters. You see,
1:34:31these cases aren't about maintaining a
1:34:34high conviction rate. They're about
1:34:36justice. And for some reason, the Weld
1:34:40County DA has completely forgotten that.
1:34:43Every single time I sit in front of this
1:34:46computer, every time I read the words of
1:34:49a coroner or study the interrogation of
1:34:52a determined detective, every single
1:34:55time I try to comprehend the confession
1:34:58of a father who chose his own
1:35:00selfishness over the lives of his
1:35:02children, I am reminded of my reason
1:35:06why. why I choose to stand with each of
1:35:09you to remind those around us why these
1:35:12lives matter so much. Because somewhere
1:35:15in the eyes of these children, we see
1:35:18the reflection of our own sons and
1:35:20daughters. And in some infantesimally
1:35:24small way, we feel the pain of their
1:35:27loss. Because at the heart of every case
1:35:30where a life is stolen is the
1:35:33realization that we want this nightmare
1:35:36to end. We want to arrive at a time and
1:35:40place where innocence no longer has to
1:35:43fear the selfishness of anyone capable
1:35:46of committing these crimes. And I know
1:35:49like so many of you, these little ones,
1:35:53they're our reason why. Because all I
1:35:56know is if this was my daughter, if this
1:35:59was my mother, my sister, or my friend,
1:36:03if I had known Shannan, Bella, and Cece,
1:36:07or if I had been the one to comfort the
1:36:10Rooch checks during the worst moment of
1:36:13their lives, and someone out there who
1:36:16had a hand in this crime remained free.
1:36:19And if now all these years later, she
1:36:22enjoys a life where her guilt has
1:36:25transformed her into a shell of the
1:36:28woman she was, I would want someone to
1:36:31do what I'm doing right now. And I would
1:36:34hope that they would choose to fight
1:36:37even when I couldn't because sometimes
1:36:40doing the right thing feels completely
1:36:43impossible and it requires more of us
1:36:46than we know how to give. But as long as
1:36:49the truth remains unknown, and as long
1:36:52as justice is out of reach, I know that
1:36:56I'm not alone when I say we will not
1:36:59give up. We owe it to Shannan, Bella,
1:37:03Cece, and Nico to continue to fight for
1:37:06a new investigation,
1:37:09to renew our commitment to advocate for
1:37:12justice, and to do whatever it takes to
1:37:16bring the truth to light. Slow
1:37:22on it, CeCe. No, don't let her touch the
1:37:24plate. No, no, no, no. Blow on it, Cece.
1:37:32I'll be
1:37:34blow CeCe. blow.
1:37:41[Music]
1:37:48Guess what, girls?
1:37:51Mommy has a baby in her belly.
1:37:56Are you guys excited?
1:37:58Yes. Are you really excited?
1:38:02Oh my goodness. Come give me a hug.
1:38:06[Music]
1:38:08I love you. I give the baby a hug. Can I
1:38:11give the baby a hug? I love you, Bella.
1:38:15You're so sweet.
1:38:17Hi, buddy. Say hey everybody. Hi
1:38:20everybody. Hi buddy. Hi buddy.
1:38:24Everybody. Let's invite Nana and Papa.
1:38:29Oh, Papa's on.
1:38:31Hi. Say hi, Papa. Hi papy papa.
1:38:38Hi papa.
1:38:40Hi boo. Say hi popup. Hi popup.
1:38:47[ __ ] in bed. [ __ ]
1:38:51No I'll stay with her. Don't take her
1:38:54away. I'm not taking her away.
1:39:02[Music]
1:39:09In closing today, I want to take a
1:39:11moment to tell every person who is
1:39:13listening to the sound of my voice just
1:39:16how grateful I am to have you here.
1:39:19Being able to create content is one of
1:39:22the most amazing gifts that each of you
1:39:24give me by affording me your time and
1:39:27thoughtful engagement. Now, I know it's
1:39:30been a while since we were last
1:39:31together, and as many of you know, I've
1:39:34had to tackle some very serious health
1:39:36issues since the beginning of this year.
1:39:38Thankfully, I have begun to respond to a
1:39:41new therapy regimen that is finally
1:39:44starting to work. But I want to thank
1:39:46each and every person who took the time
1:39:49to write, to comment, or to just send
1:39:52wellwishes. You cannot know just how
1:39:54much they meant to me. In the fall of
1:39:572020, I resigned from my position at my
1:40:00law firm. I had spent the better part of
1:40:02half a decade trying and failing to
1:40:05manage the aftermath of what has been 36
1:40:09different surgeries since the time I was
1:40:12a teenager. When the doctor sat me down
1:40:15and told me that I was receiving a
1:40:17medical disability rating of 100%,
1:40:21I almost couldn't believe it was real.
1:40:24Just saying the word disabled out loud
1:40:28left me feeling so much shame and as
1:40:31though my injuries were somehow my own
1:40:34fault. But over time, I began to realize
1:40:37how many other people were just like me.
1:40:40People who were going through life with
1:40:42pain and injuries that they too had to
1:40:46learn how to live with. Over time, I
1:40:48made the choice to allow my pain to
1:40:51blossom into something that has now
1:40:54completely changed my life, a
1:40:56perspective that has made me more
1:40:58empathetic and genuine and
1:41:00understanding. And I guess that's why I
1:41:03take the time to do this, because I know
1:41:05the only reason that I'm here doing what
1:41:08I love is because of each of you. But I
1:41:12really want to thank these people, many
1:41:15of which have supported me for years
1:41:17now. People who wait patiently as I
1:41:20slowly and methodically create the next
1:41:23series of videos. Each and every one of
1:41:26you have restored my faith in humanity
1:41:29because you don't have to show the
1:41:30support that you do. And yet, you do it
1:41:33anyway. Now, I realize that to some this
1:41:36might seem odd because I know that it's
1:41:39not something that most creators in this
1:41:41space do, but please understand what I
1:41:44mean when I say that I actually really
1:41:48truly love all of you for the ways that
1:41:51you show kindness and support. It's the
1:41:54reason why I continue to push through
1:41:56each and every surgery because I know
1:42:00that when I return, I will be greeted by
1:42:03some of the best people you could
1:42:05possibly imagine. So, thank you to the
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1:42:11support is quite literally the reason
1:42:13why I am able to do the work that I do
1:42:16today. Now, I do actually have some very
1:42:19exciting news. Over the last six months,
1:42:21while I was recovering, I have been
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