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0:04What's up guys? It's your boys Awoki
0:06back out with another of course Chris
0:08Watts Nicole Kessinger video. You guys
0:11want me to continue because we want to
0:13keep this case alive so that hopefully
0:16one day NK miss red flag I found my red
0:19flag. I little one.
0:23We'll give this one a little bit of some
0:24fun because the other one is over there.
0:26But um red flag galore
0:30that this woman was involved in some way
0:32or shape or form and I love this comment
0:35that I saw.
0:36This case deserves fresh eyes. I loved
0:40that statement alone. It does need fresh
0:43eyes. It needs actual
0:45or actual professionals that go into
0:48this case completely non-judgmental
0:51about who
0:53uh dealt with it before. Let them
0:56discover and let them decide if Nicole
0:59Kessinger warrants
1:01to come in
1:02for an interview or interrogation.
1:05And um you guys said that this video
1:07definitely centralizes on that.
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2:00the most popular to watch and I'll watch
2:02that one. So. And that's what we're
2:04doing is we're watching, we're reacting,
2:06we're commentating and giving our two
2:09cents and not letting this case die for
2:11one for the haters that go on to Shannan
2:14and just blast her
2:18her her legendary life that she had and
2:21they just slam it because if they they
2:23didn't or they're either jealous or
2:25they're against her
2:27for some stupid reason.
2:29And then we're here because of Nicole.
2:31One of I think the reason why this case
2:34will not die is because this woman has
2:36not been interrogated or looked at even
2:39remotely more than those stupid
2:41interviews that made it look like she
2:43was not involved. So,
2:46we're going to dive down this video
2:48and let's get into it right now.
2:51>> I think if somebody came up and put
2:53their hands around somebody's neck the
2:55first thing a victim's going to do is
2:57>> check themselves.
2:58>> grab on to the hands or the arms and try
3:00to pull them away or scrape or claw or
3:02bite or whatever
3:05um to try and get that person's hands
3:06off of their throat. There wasn't
3:08anything like that in in Shannan and and
3:10so that obviously caused us to think
3:12was she sleeping? His statement to
3:14investigators was they were very clearly
3:16obviously dead so I decided to dispose
3:18of their bodies. He didn't call 911, he
3:20didn't call try CPR, you didn't even
3:22check on them to see if they were
3:24breathing. When you hear that, you're
3:26thinking this just doesn't add up.
3:29>> So then there was some talking.
3:31And then how did you get on top of her?
3:33How did that happen?
3:34>> It's like when I got in the bed, I just
3:36pretty cuz she was laying
3:38cuz she was cuz she was sleeping, she
3:39was laying like face down which she
3:41really never does.
3:42>> Okay.
3:43>> And I was I just got in the bed and I
3:44kind of nudged her and then she like
3:46>> Did he say she was sleeping on her
3:47stomach?
3:51>> How did you get on top of her? How did
3:52that happen?
3:53>> It's like when I got in the bed, I just
3:55pretty much she was laying
3:57when she was when she was sleeping, she
3:58was laying like face down which she
4:00really never does.
4:01>> Okay.
4:01>> And I was I just got in the bed and I
4:03kind of nudged her and then she like
4:04kind of rolled over and then I was just
4:05like was like right there on top of her.
4:07>> Okay.
4:08And so that was after you gotten ready?
4:10>> Mhm.
4:10>> Okay, so you go down, you make your
4:12>> I don't know, I've never been pregnant,
4:13so
4:14I've had food baby, but um it's a joke,
4:17my gosh, I have to sit there and say
4:19that because the people will be like The
4:20walkie said he could get pregnant. What?
4:22We need a Google We need a Twitter tweet
4:24or or what's it called? Twitter that?
4:28But anyways, um
4:32Now I just lost my thought.
4:36Turn it. See what old age does?
4:38>> Food.
4:39>> Well, I got like house keys and another
4:41cup things I would maybe I put them in
4:43the bed.
4:43>> Okay. And then so this is we talked a
4:45little bit earlier today about you know,
4:47there was all of these things playing in
4:49your mind where you just didn't even
4:50want to go another second without having
4:52this conversation or without some sort
4:54of completion, right? And then so you
4:56come back, she's asleep
4:59and then you just kind of nudge her.
5:00>> Yeah, I just kind of like, "Hey."
5:02>> Oh, I was going to say if you guys could
5:04tell me
5:05the way that he states her sleeping, is
5:08that possible? I mean
5:10I've heard a lot of different avenues
5:11for people that sleep certain ways when
5:14they're pregnant, but I'm just like I'm
5:15just trying to see if he's lying about
5:17it cuz I I do feel that
5:20he caught her off guard. Either she was
5:23sleeping or he was behind the door when
5:26she came into the door. Like I don't
5:28know. Um
5:31But that's what I was going to mention.
5:32>> Look out for glare.
5:33>> And was there nudge talk for 20 minutes
5:35or was it just nudge and then all of a
5:36sudden you're on top of her?
5:38>> No, it's pretty much on top.
5:39>> Okay, so that happened pretty quickly.
5:40>> Yeah, it was that that was kind of
5:41pretty much all talk. Okay, that was
5:42just right there.
5:43>> And was there talking?
5:45>> Yeah.
5:45>> Okay. And so a nudge, a talk, She's
5:48laying down and you're standing up?
5:49>> I was on I was like I I crawled back I
5:52got on my side of the bed.
5:54>> Uh-huh.
5:54>> And I just like I just do like that.
5:56>> Oh, okay. And then you're talking while
5:58you're on top of her?
5:59>> Mhm.
6:00>> Okay. That seems confusing to me.
6:02Is that actually what happened?
6:04>> Yeah.
6:04>> Okay.
6:05Um and so
6:06>> She was fine like just laying there when
6:08you trying to talk to her while you're
6:10on top of her?
6:11>> thought we were going to sexy her or
6:12something.
6:13>> Oh, okay.
6:14Okay. And how long did you talk?
6:16>> I don't know about 15 20 minutes.
6:18>> Really? In that position?
6:19Okay. And was there any signs?
6:21>> I don't think so.
6:21>> No. Okay. Maybe she
6:22>> I'm
6:23basically from
6:25since you know her and maybe she maybe
6:26thought maybe I got to go get I don't
6:28know.
6:29>> Okay.
6:29And and I don't harp on it too much, but
6:32I'm just trying to think
6:34if my wife's 4 months pregnant and it's
6:375:00 in the morning and I want to talk
6:39and I want to get on top of her, that's
6:41just not going to fly.
6:42>> No.
6:42>> So, I find it confusing.
6:44Is that really what happened here? Okay.
6:46And then talk for about 15 minutes and
6:48then
6:49>> really going to believe him?
6:50>> he did and then your hands are on her
6:51neck.
6:52Yeah.
6:54All right.
6:55Um
6:56>> What did this talk What was What did the
6:57talk consist of?
6:59>> Basically it just didn't
7:01I don't know. Oh, at first it was more
7:03of like the
7:05selling the house type of thing or not
7:07going to Aspen or trying to maybe go in
7:09a at a different time and then it just
7:10switched all for the
7:12>> He had tickets with Shannon to go to
7:15Aspen
7:17that weekend.
7:20He goes and ends up
7:22murdering his wife and then looking at
7:24Aspen trips
7:26with Nicole.
7:32>> Well, I don't feel like I'm compatible
7:33with you anymore. Not compatible.
7:35Like that.
7:37And that's where you got to the eating
7:39part of it.
7:40>> Okay.
7:41Did she ever say at some point get off
7:42of me or anything like that?
7:43>> That day yeah. And
7:45that's just cuz I don't want you to feel
7:47like you know cuz
7:49where I was it was kind of like she
7:50didn't want me to like the you know sit
7:52down or like hurt the baby or anything.
7:55>> Did she accuse you of cheating at that
7:57point?
7:58>> Mhm.
7:59>> So what she say?
8:00>> Like I knew there was somebody else or
8:02there was somebody else.
8:05And I just I I I didn't come out and say
8:08no
8:09that there is somebody else but she
8:11obviously already knew.
8:13>> And your response to that was what?
8:16Did you say no there's not?
8:18Did you deny it?
8:20>> I mean I just denied it but I mean at
8:22that point
8:26So that always cuz when she would accuse
8:28me at the beach it was all like there's
8:30nobody else called it nobody else you
8:32know or like you know and when we got
8:34back home
8:36>> She always like said there's got to be
8:37somebody else cuz she'd always talk to
8:39her friend like Christina or somebody
8:40else like Leslie.
8:43And they'd always say there's got to be
8:44somebody else if he's not willing to
8:46sleep with you like he's getting it from
8:48somewhere else.
8:50There is no
8:52there's no girl else for me.
8:54She couldn't really say I would get
8:55anywhere else cuz I was using those
8:57Android gift cards so it was kind of
8:58like that she
9:00just mean me getting distant.
9:02But she knew and I just it's it's mainly
9:05the reason why I talked to her cuz I
9:06knew like after that night it was just
9:08like it felt like I just felt guilty
9:10more guilty than ever before.
9:13>> Yeah.
9:15Um
9:16>> You're guilty cuz you got caught.
9:18>> And then
9:20it seems to me and I'm
9:22sorry a lot of thoughts here. So we know
9:25what happened and we can talk about it
9:26today kind of openly um and that's what
9:28we need from you is to just kind of say
9:31you know I know it sounds bad or I know
9:33this or I know I feel this way but
9:35physically just the fact of what
9:36happened. Um so if you could tell us
9:38that it seems then that it would have
9:40had to been a a pretty quick transition
9:42from two people talking to this.
9:45>> Yeah. Right. Is that what happened?
9:46>> Yeah. It was like I don't want to like
9:49I'm thinking of the last last things she
9:51was
9:52we were talking about but it was you
9:54know like I love you love you anymore
9:57and then she was like you're never going
9:58to see the kids.
9:59>> Oh, no, no.
10:00>> I don't think Shannan said that because
10:03why would that make sense if she said
10:05that would Chris murder them?
10:09Oh, you're going to take my kids away
10:10from me? Oh, I'm going to murder the I'm
10:12going to murder them anyways. What?
10:15That doesn't make sense.
10:18>> That's perfect. That's exactly what we
10:20need. Okay. And I know it's hard to walk
10:22through that again but that's exactly
10:23it.
10:24>> If you look at Chris's height if you
10:26look at a normal
10:28human height
10:29compared to this fence
10:31I thought that fence was a little higher
10:32but it's actually not.
10:34You could definitely hand somebody over
10:37that fence.
10:39Just saying.
10:40>> So then as soon as she started talking
10:43like that then it was
10:44>> Nobody works back there or lives back
10:46there.
10:46>> was you saying that you didn't love her?
10:48Is that right?
10:48>> Okay.
10:49>> And her saying you're never going to see
10:50the kids.
10:51>> Yeah.
10:51>> Okay.
10:52>> Makes sense.
10:52>> I can imagine how that made you feel.
10:54Sorry. But then didn't warrant what I
10:55did. Yeah.
10:57Um
10:58and then the fact that she didn't
11:02scratch at you or anything is that she
11:04because it was so helpful?
11:06>> I don't think it I mean I didn't feel
11:08like
11:09I'm not going to put my full my answer
11:11on anybody of course. I don't even know
11:12what kind of force I would put in on her
11:15neck. I don't know but good.
11:18I could have done it in four minutes. I
11:19don't know if that would have too but
11:21>> Did you cover her face at all?
11:23>> He's even said he's watched Criminal
11:25Minds.
11:26>> Both hands on her neck at that time?
11:28>> Both hands on her neck.
11:29>> Okay.
11:30>> And so if it's done right I mean that
11:33can be a matter of seconds before
11:34someone on their carotid loses oxygen to
11:36their brain and sound, right? Did it
11:38seem like it was that quick or
11:40Okay, maybe a minute, maybe two.
11:42Okay.
11:42>> There's no way she did not fight then.
11:45>> Okay.
11:47All right.
11:48And did you see eyes go bloodshot or
11:51anything like that?
11:53>> They were.
11:54>> Okay.
11:55Okay. And then
11:56>> talking about the mascara. Did you see
11:57mascara on her face?
11:59>> It just looked like it was like
12:02That's why her did it to me.
12:04>> Is it Was she crying? Is that why?
12:07At what point did she start crying?
12:08>> When I
12:10I'm talking about a relationship about
12:11about being compatible.
12:14And we were just talking about there was
12:15somebody else. That's where
12:17she started crying.
12:19That's where I thought you know it was
12:21mascara. And I didn't know if it was it.
12:25>> I don't know.
12:25>> I don't I don't know.
12:27>> Okay.
12:27>> Was there a pillow or something you were
12:29going to ask him?
12:29>> Yes, sir. So, there was
12:31>> Was there ever a at any time a pillow or
12:34a sheet or anything involved in like
12:36that? On on the face specifically?
12:38>> No.
12:40No, like the sheet kind of
12:42wrapped around it.
12:43>> The pillowcase looked like it
12:45>> I put it
12:47>> The one that was at the site.
12:49>> Oh.
12:49>> And then the other sheets
12:52They were in the trash. At what point
12:53did you put those in there?
12:56>> I think that was
13:01>> Obviously after I was in the house.
13:02>> Yeah.
13:04I think it was probably the next day or
13:06so.
13:10>> I think it was in a lot of places.
13:12>> I'm not sure like what happened. This is
13:14hard to talk about like when
13:17strangle somebody out like sometime I
13:19guess they used the bathroom. And so it
13:21was like I think that's one of the main
13:23reasons why I couldn't stop it think it
13:25happened.
13:25>> sit there and talk about your wife like
13:27that.
13:28>> You said she was sleeping face down at
13:30one point.
13:32Was her face in the pillow or was it
13:33turned to the side or how did that
13:34>> Kind of like on the side. She was in the
13:36kind of like a side sleeper cuz she was
13:37more
13:39more down than usual.
13:40>> Okay.
13:41>> There is a version of this story that
13:42the world was given.
13:44A version that was sealed inside a
13:46guilty plea.
13:48Packaged inside a documentary. And then
13:51repeated so many times that most people
13:53stopped asking whether it was the
13:55complete picture.
13:56>> But it's not.
13:57>> Chris Watts killed his pregnant wife,
14:00Shanann.
14:01He killed his 4-year-old
14:03Bella.
14:04He killed his 3-year-old daughter,
14:06Celeste.
14:08He dumped their bodies at a remote oil
14:10field. He confessed. He pled guilty.
14:14He is now serving three consecutive life
14:16sentences inside Dodge Correctional
14:19Institution in Waupun, Wisconsin, where
14:22he will die.
14:24That part is not in question.
14:26That part is exactly right.
14:29But in 2026, a former cellmate named
14:32Dylan Tallman published a book.
14:35And inside that book, Chris Watts spoke
14:38for the first time.
14:39>> And then we're told, "Don't listen to
14:40him.
14:41He's lying." What? Like
14:44But you're not proving it though.
14:47>> About the one person who has never once
14:49sat in a courtroom, never once been
14:51cross-examined, never once been forced
14:54to answer on the record, under oath,
14:57for the full documented trail she left
14:59behind.
15:01Her name is Nichol Kessinger.
15:03And what Chris Watts told his cellmate,
15:06when placed directly against evidence
15:08that has been sitting in the official
15:10discovery file
15:11>> And they tell us, "Oh, don't listen to
15:12it."
15:12>> all since 2018,
15:14assembles a picture that no documentary,
15:17no podcast, and no investigation has
15:21ever fully confronted in one place
15:24until right now.
15:26My name is Dave.
15:28>> Hi Dave.
15:29>> This is Secret in the Dark
15:31and I need you to stay with me for every
15:33single minute of what comes next.
15:35>> Listening.
15:36>> Because by the time this video ends, you
15:38are not going to be asking whether Chris
15:41Watts belongs in prison.
15:43You are going to be asking
15:45>> Why isn't somebody else accompanying
15:46him?
15:47>> Who else was in that plan?
15:49Before we go anywhere, I have to be
15:52completely transparent about how I treat
15:54Dylan Tallman as a source.
15:57>> And if he was looking for places in
15:59Aspen,
16:00wouldn't Nicole Kessinger need to
16:03know in advance to go on a trip?
16:06I mean, I I don't
16:08There's going to be something in the
16:09comments that are going to be like,
16:10"Zwoiky, I do." But not many people just
16:12like abruptly, "Hey, let's go here."
16:16I mean, there are some, don't get me
16:17wrong.
16:18But this guy was just like
16:22"Oh, LET'S GO TO ASPEN." AND SHE didn't
16:24know about it.
16:28>> Because transparency is the only thing
16:30that separates this channel from noise.
16:33Dylan Tallman is a self-admitted career
16:36criminal.
16:38The book he published, The Cell Next
16:40Door, originates from conversations he
16:42claims to have had with Chris Watts
16:45during the 7 months they were housed in
16:47adjacent cells at Dodge Correctional.
16:50Chris Watts is not a reliable narrator
16:52of his own life.
16:54He is a man who, in verified prison
16:57letters reported by multiple outlets,
16:59compared his life sentence to the
17:01crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
17:04>> Shocker.
17:05>> A man who has, in interview after
17:07interview, distributed blame to every
17:10woman in his orbit while consistently
17:13repositioning himself as someone who was
17:15led somewhere rather than someone who
17:18chose.
17:19Nothing Chris Watts says is taken at
17:22face value in this script.
17:24Not a single word. The only question
17:27that matters when evaluating Tollman's
17:29account is this.
17:31Does what he reports align with evidence
17:34that already existed in the public
17:36discovery
17:37>> A little test would let us know if he is
17:40being truthful
17:42or a liar.
17:43>> The record before his book was ever
17:46written.
17:47>> Because he's I bet he would take it
17:49because I he said he would take it.
17:51>> On several critical points, the answer
17:54is yes.
17:55That is what we are here to examine.
17:58Not Chris's word.
18:00Not Tollman's credibility.
18:02The overlap between what a man claims he
18:05was told in a prison cell
18:07and what a forensic record already
18:09confirmed before anyone had a reason to
18:11fabricate it. That is where this case
18:14lives.
18:15>> Nichol Kessinger
18:15>> That is where it has always lived.
18:17>> involved
18:18>> And that is where we are going. Nichol
18:20Kessinger worked as a contract
18:22environmental field coordinator for
18:24Anadarko Petroleum in Colorado.
18:27That is where she and Chris Watts met.
18:30At least, that is the timeline she gave
18:33investigators.
18:35She told law enforcement that their
18:36relationship began sometime in May or
18:39June of 2018.
18:42She told them she had no idea he was
18:44still in an intact marriage. She told
18:47them he presented himself as nearly
18:48divorced. She told them that when she
18:51learned he had children,
18:53she thought it was, in her words,
18:55kind of cute.
18:57She told them she had absolutely no idea
19:01that his wife, Shanann, was pregnant.
19:04Those four claims are the foundation of
19:07her entire account. Every interview she
19:10gave, every statement she made, every
19:13tear she shed for investigators, all of
19:16it rests on that foundation.
19:18Now, let us look at what her phone was
19:20actually doing while she was building
19:23that story.
19:25July 24th, 2018.
19:28>> Yeah, this is all fake, right?
19:29>> Weeks into the relationship she
19:31described as casual and innocent, Nichol
19:34Kessinger searched a specific phrase on
19:36Google.
19:37Man I'm having an affair with says he'll
19:40leave his wife.
19:42>> Oh.
19:42>> Not man I'm dating who is separated.
19:45>> Oh.
19:45>> Not man going through a divorce.
19:47>> Thank you.
19:48>> Not is my boyfriend still married.
19:51Affair.
19:52Her word.
19:53Her search.
19:55Her device.
19:56You do not use the word affair if you
19:59genuinely believe you are dating a man
20:01who is already separated from his wife.
20:04>> Derek, can you yell it so that the
20:05people in the back can hear that? That'd
20:07be great. Thank you.
20:09>> That word only comes from someone who
20:11knows with absolute clarity
20:14that what they are in is still very much
20:17intact on the other side.
20:19>> I'd drive.
20:20>> That was July 24th. August 4th, 2018.
20:24>> Oh.
20:24>> Chris Watts was on a family vacation in
20:26North Carolina. A trip Kessinger herself
20:29later told investigators she had
20:31encouraged.
20:33While he was there with Shannan and
20:35their daughters, Nichol Kessinger spent
20:37two consecutive hours at home browsing
20:40wedding dresses online.
20:42Two hours.
20:44Same afternoon.
20:46On that same August 4th, she also
20:48accessed both Chris and Shannan Watts's
20:51Facebook profiles.
20:53>> And that's not the first time she's done
20:55that.
20:55>> She could see Shannan's page. She could
20:58see the pregnancy announcement Shannan
21:00had posted publicly.
21:01A pregnancy that was weeks old by that
21:04point, visible to anyone who clicked.
21:07In all six of her interviews with law
21:09enforcement.
21:10>> And Shannan's Facebook was very public.
21:15>> Nichol Kessinger stated clearly,
21:18consistently, and emotionally that she
21:20had absolutely no idea Shannan was
21:23pregnant.
21:25She said discovering the pregnancy
21:27through news coverage was one of the
21:29most shocking moments of her life.
21:32She said that if she had known about the
21:34baby,
21:35she would never have been involved with
21:36Chris at all.
21:39She accessed Shannan's Facebook page on
21:41August 4th. The pregnancy had been
21:44publicly announced weeks before that
21:45visit. She told investigators she had no
21:48idea.
21:49>> It's all there. We're not making this
21:52up. We're just saying it over and over
21:54and over and people are like, "Oh my
21:55gosh, it's over."
21:57Are you Look, are you listening to it?
22:03>> August 8th, 2018.
22:07Chris still in North Carolina.
22:09Shannan still with the girls on that
22:11family trip.
22:12Kessinger searched another phrase,
22:15"marrying your mistress."
22:17Mistress.
22:18Again, her language, her search, her
22:21phone.
22:22>> It's not that serious.
22:24Wedding dresses. People are like, "Oh,
22:26people Google dresses all the time, just
22:29randomly." She literally says, "marrying
22:31your mistress."
22:35M-
22:36Like, how slow do I got to do this?
22:38M- marrying
22:41mistress.
22:44>> She knew exactly what she was.
22:46Now, hold all three of those searches in
22:48your mind simultaneously.
22:51Because what comes next removes the last
22:55plausible layer of the story she
22:57>> And you think she's not involved.
23:00>> built for investigators. Nichol
23:02Kessinger told investigators her
23:04relationship with Chris Watts didn't
23:07begin until May or June of 2018.
23:11>> Mhm.
23:11>> That is when she claims to have met him.
23:14That is the foundation of her entire
23:17timeline.
23:19Forensic analysis of her phone showed
23:22she was searching Shannan Watts by name.
23:24>> A year before.
23:26>> As early as January 2018.
23:29>> Uh we have have have or we have
23:33What is it? What did it say? September?
23:35Yeah, September that she start Googling
23:38and then in January
23:40>> Five months before she claims to have
23:43met Chris.
23:44Before she claims to have known Shannan
23:47existed. This is not a rumor.
23:50This is not online speculation. This is
23:53not Reddit.
23:54>> For those people that do crime and stuff
23:56like that, is this is how serious this
23:58is or is this like
24:01I just see somebody in a a cubicle.
24:07It is not what it looks like.
24:09>> This is a data point confirmed directly
24:13and on the record by Michael Rourke, the
24:15Weld County District Attorney who
24:17prosecuted Chris Watts. When pressed by
24:20reporters
24:21Rourke confirmed it came directly from
24:24the phone.
24:25He confirmed it was not a reporting
24:26error.
24:27And when asked why that anomaly was
24:29never independently investigated, he
24:32said this.
24:33Because Chris Watts pleaded guilty, the
24:37>> That is not a good ex-
24:39uh answer.
24:40>> Investigation didn't continue to that
24:43point. Stop there.
24:45The District Attorney of Weld County
24:47confirmed on the record that a key
24:50witness in a quadruple homicide had been
24:52searching for the victim's name five
24:55months before she claims to have known
24:57the victim existed.
24:58>> And doesn't warrant
25:01any luck.
25:02Nothing.
25:04>> And the official response was
25:06we didn't pursue it because we already
25:08had a conviction.
25:11That is what is on the record.
25:13That anomaly has sat in exactly the same
25:15place since 2018.
25:17>> 8 years.
25:18>> Unresolved, unexplained,
25:21officially acknowledged and officially
25:23abandoned.
25:24If she was searching Shannan Watts's
25:26name in January 2018, the question is
25:29not whether she knew who Shannan was
25:31before June.
25:33The question is how and why.
25:36This is where Dylan Tallman
25:38>> to be number one.
25:39>> account becomes relevant.
25:41And this is where I have to be
25:43meticulous about what we can verify and
25:45what we cannot.
25:47Tallman writes that during
25:49>> We can verify quite a bit, but they
25:51don't want to verify anything else.
25:53>> During one of their prison
25:55conversations, Chris Watts described the
25:58night of August 12th, 2018,
26:01the night before the murders.
26:03He described a phone call that lasted
26:06111 minutes.
26:08According to Tallman, Watts told him
26:11that during that call, Kessinger gave
26:13him an ultimatum,
26:15that she told him directly,
26:17"It is your family or me."
26:20We cannot verify that conversation took
26:22place.
26:23We have Tallman's account filtered
26:25through Chris Watts,
26:27>> They both don't remember Jack
26:30crap.
26:31>> a man whose self-interest in
26:33redistributing blame is well
26:35established.
26:36But here is what we absolutely can
26:38verify using only the official discovery
26:41record,
26:42evidence that existed long before
26:44Tallman wrote a single word.
26:47The August 12th phone call is in the
26:49records.
26:51>> This guy is just checking his email. He
26:52ain't being all serious.
26:53>> 111 minutes, documented, confirmed,
26:58time-stamped.
27:00What was said during that 111 minutes
27:03has never been officially determined
27:06because the messages Kessinger sent and
27:08received around that call were deleted
27:11before investigators could fully recover
27:14them.
27:15The call exists, the duration exists,
27:18the deletion
27:19>> And they tell remember nothing.
27:21>> exists.
27:23What sits between those three confirmed
27:25facts is exactly what Tollman claims
27:27Watts described to him.
27:30Does that confirm the ultimatum?
27:32No.
27:33But it means Tollman didn't invent the
27:35phone call.
27:36The phone call was real.
27:38What he claims it contained is the part
27:41that cannot be independently verified.
27:45>> You can use a lie detector for our
27:47baseline just to kind of see, you know.
27:49>> That distinction matters.
27:51We hold it.
27:53Nichol Kessinger drove the same commute
27:55to Anadarko Petroleum every single day.
27:59Investigators subpoenaed him
28:00>> Besides one day.
28:02>> months of her phone records. Her cell
28:04tower data mapped that commute with
28:06complete consistency. Same roads, same
28:10towers, morning after morning.
28:13A uniform, predictable, established
28:16pattern
28:17until August 13th, 2018.
28:20At 6:16 a.m. on the morning the Watts
28:23family was murdered, Kessinger's phone
28:25pinged a cell tower it had never
28:28pinged in all those months of prior
28:30records.
28:32That tower placed her device in the
28:33proximity of one specific location,
28:37>> I mean,
28:38>> 2825
28:40Saratoga Trail, Frederick, Colorado,
28:43the Watts family home,
28:45the same address she had searched on
28:47Google less than 36 hours before.
28:50>> Yeah, Ronnie, are you [ __ ] kidding
28:52me?
28:53>> That ping.
28:54And her phone had never pinged that
28:56tower again.
28:57>> They're like, she's clear.
28:58>> any subsequent morning.
29:00Not once.
29:02Now hold the precise timing.
29:04Because this is where it matters most.
29:07Chris Watts had driven away from that
29:09house at approximately 5:45 a.m. that
29:13morning with Shannan's body and with
29:15Bella and Celeste alive in the back of
29:18his truck.
29:19By 6:16 a.m., his phone was already
29:23pinging towers along the highway heading
29:25northeast toward the Anadarko oil field
29:28site known as Survey 319.
29:31At 6:16 a.m., he was not at the house.
29:35He had been gone for 30 minutes.
29:37At 6:16 a.m., her phone pinged the tower
29:40near his house.
29:41>> That's why
29:42>> And she placed a call not to Chris.
29:45To a man named Jim.
29:47Jim is not a peripheral figure.
29:50>> Don't talk to me.
29:51>> Discovery records and subsequent
29:53investigative interviews confirmed that
29:55Jim was embedded in the social world
29:57shared by both Chris and Nicole.
30:00There are photographs of all three of
30:01them together at the Colorado sand
30:04dunes. A location Chris and Kessinger
30:07visited during their relationship. When
30:10Detective Koback later asked Kessinger
30:12whether Jim could serve as her alibi
30:14witness,
30:15>> Don't talk to me.
30:15>> whether he could confirm her location on
30:17the morning of August 13th,
30:20she resisted naming him.
30:22She said it would not be fair to drag
30:24him into it.
30:24>> Believe him.
30:25>> Her alibi witness
30:27on the morning four people were
30:29murdered.
30:30>> That's why
30:30>> would not be fair to name him.
30:33Detective Koback did not press her.
30:36He moved on.
30:37>> Shut up.
30:37>> The question of where Nicole Kessinger
30:39was between 5:45 a.m. and the time she
30:43>> is still unknown.
30:44>> clocked in at Anadarko on the morning of
30:47August 13th was never formally answered
30:50in any interview.
30:52It was never independently
30:54>> She clocked in at 2:00.
30:58Oh, excuse me. Clocked out at 3:00.
31:01During that time she called her sex
31:03therapist twice.
31:04It's in the discovery.
31:06>> verified.
31:08Anadarko's security cameras covered
31:10their parking lot. Footage that could
31:12have established exactly when she
31:14arrived that morning existed.
31:17>> No publicly verified timestamp from that
31:20footage was ever produced. In her first
31:23interview, Kessinger mentioned when she
31:25clocked out. She never mentioned when
31:27she clocked in. No investigator ever
31:30asked. Survey 319 is the Anadarko oil
31:34well site where Chris Watts drove on the
31:37morning of August 13th.
31:40It is where he buried Shannan in a
31:42shallow grave.
31:43It is where Bella and Celeste's body
31:46>> I don't think he did it by himself.
31:48No. With that that hole, no.
31:51>> were found inside crude oil storage
31:54tanks.
31:56It is the crime scene.
31:58In her very first interview with
31:59investigators, Nichol Kessinger told
32:02them that Chris going to the oil field
32:04that morning was routine.
32:06Normal field operations. Nothing
32:09unusual.
32:10Six days later, after investigators
32:13received her phone records, her account
32:16>> You would start digging a hole with a
32:18body outside knowing that technically
32:21anybody could come by any moment and you
32:24dug that whole thinking you were going
32:26to be able to get it done.
32:28I wouldn't even been able to start. I'd
32:29be like, I'm going to get caught while
32:31doing this. I'm an idiot.
32:34>> changed completely.
32:36Suddenly, she remembered an extensive
32:39conversation with Chris the night before
32:41the murders in which she questioned him
32:44specifically about why he was planning
32:46to go to Survey 319 first thing Monday
32:50morning.
32:51Her documented words to investigators
32:53were,
32:54"That's not your job. Why would you have
32:56to go check the release? You're not part
32:59of the environmental team."
33:01She knew that site.
33:03She knew his role.
33:05She knew it was not a normal assignment
33:07for him.
33:08>> Why would she ask
33:11him to send a picture?
33:14I just think it's That was staged for a
33:16reason.
33:18What do you think that part is? The
33:19whole um her asking
33:22for him to take a picture and send it to
33:24her
33:25um that there was a leak. I think it's
33:28because she was safety.
33:30And they're trying to figure or show a
33:31reason why he would be out there.
33:34Because I think again, my opinion, that
33:37he put them out there because in
33:39September this place was supposed to be
33:41leveled, shut off, and done pumping.
33:45But it was postponed till December.
33:48They were planning on having that
33:50Bella, Celeste, Shannan, and Nico all
33:54there because once the crew came in and
33:56took everything out,
33:58and destroyed it, and leveled it,
34:01no one would ever have gone back out
34:02there.
34:03It would have been a complete desert
34:05like it is now.
34:07Or deserted area.
34:11I wholeheartedly believe that's why
34:14they chose this area.
34:15But they wanted to show from Nicole and
34:18Chris's side, "Oh, this is why Chris
34:21went out there."
34:23That's the only reason why I can think
34:24of.
34:25>> And then she disclosed something that
34:27just never received the attention it
34:29deserves.
34:30>> it deserves better.
34:31>> On the evening of August 13th, hours
34:34after Chris had been at Survey 319,
34:37hours after Shannan, Bella, and Celeste
34:40had already been placed there,
34:42she texted him and asked him to send her
34:45a photograph.
34:47A photograph as proof that he had been
34:49at Survey 319 that day.
34:52She asked for evidence of his presence
34:54at the crime scene on the day the crime
34:56was committed.
34:58Now, consider what the full discovery
35:00>> Well, this is why Nicole asked or this
35:02is why Chris rece- or
35:04or Chris sent it
35:06to her
35:08but showed them that they are both
35:09innocent.
35:10>> record shows about their months of
35:12communication,
35:14hundreds of texts, daily calls, messages
35:17reviewed in forensic detail by
35:19investigators.
35:21There is not a single other instance,
35:23not one, of Nicole Kessinger asking
35:26Chris Watts to photograph his work
35:28location on any other day.
35:31Not once across months of records,
35:34except on the morning he drove his
35:36family to that oil field.
35:38>> That coincidence
35:38>> When the investigator who had this
35:40information in front of him reached this
35:42moment in the interview,
35:44he did not ask why.
35:46He did not ask what prompted a request
35:48she had never made before on the
35:50specific day she had never made it
35:52before at the specific location she
35:54could not have known would become a
35:56crime scene
35:57unless she already knew it would.
36:00He moved on. A witness in a quadruple
36:02homicide tells investigators she
36:04requested photographic proof of the
36:07primary suspect's location at what would
36:10be confirmed as the crime scene on the
36:12day the crime was committed.
36:15And the investigator moved on.
36:17The night of August 13th into the
36:20>> So many moves on
36:22parts where they could have continued to
36:24investigate.
36:25>> early hours of August 14th, between 9:48
36:29p.m. and 2:18 a.m.
36:32Phone records show Nichol Kessinger and
36:35Chris Watts in multiple calls totaling
36:39156
36:40minutes,
36:412 hours and 36 minutes of conversation.
36:45While Shannan, Bella, Celeste, and
36:47unborn Nico had already been at Survey
36:50319 for more than 12 hours.
36:55When detective Koback walked Kessinger
36:57through those calls, reading timestamps,
37:00reading durations, asking what was
37:02discussed, her memory fractured.
37:05This was notable
37:07and this matters to examine carefully.
37:10Because in those same interview
37:12sessions, Kessinger provided detailed,
37:15specific, chronologically precise
37:18accounts of events from weeks earlier in
37:20the relationship.
37:22Specific restaurants, specific dates,
37:25specific conversations she recalled with
37:28fluency and confidence.
37:31Her memory for June and July was sharp.
37:34Her memory for the single most important
37:36night in the entire case was, in her own
37:40words, fragmented.
37:42What she did say about that night is
37:45more revealing than what she claimed she
37:47could not remember.
37:49When Koback pressed her on why she could
37:52not sleep, why the calls kept happening
37:54into the early hours of August 14th.
38:00Why she was distressed, she said this.
38:03All those phone calls at the very When
38:06she was texting Chris's phone once, she
38:08was like, Chris, is this you?
38:10She wanted to know if the police had her
38:12or had his phone. End of the night.
38:16That was me freaking out. I can't sleep.
38:19I'm really scared. Where's your family?
38:21That was me freaking out and him calling
38:24to try to assure me. Just making sure
38:27everything was okay. I'm really scared.
38:30Where's your family?
38:31>> I can't go to prison. I won't I won't
38:34survive.
38:34>> In her official account, Kessinger told
38:37investigators she assumed Shannan had
38:39simply gone to a friend's house after an
38:42argument. Couple's fight.
38:45She needed space.
38:46She would come back. That was the
38:49explanation she gave for why she was not
38:51alarmed. But if you genuinely believe a
38:54woman has gone to cool off at a friend's
38:56house,
38:57there is nothing to be scared of.
39:00There is no reason to lose sleep.
39:02>> Right.
39:02>> There is no reason to need reassurance
39:05at 2:00 in the morning that everything
39:07is okay.
39:08>> This This channel does make a point.
39:11>> You are only scared at 2:00 in the
39:13morning if you already know or strongly
39:15suspect
39:17that the situation is something entirely
39:19different
39:20>> There it is.
39:20>> needing space.
39:22And her own documented words confirm she
39:25was scared.
39:27At 1:51 a.m. on August 14th, Nichol
39:30Kessinger called Chris Watts.
39:33At 1:58 a.m., while they were still on
39:36that call, Chris began receiving
39:38incoming calls from the Frederick Police
39:40Department. They had already been
39:42contacted by Shannan's friends and
39:44family.
39:45>> He was never asked about that.
39:48>> Officers were beginning to ask questions
39:49about where the Watts family had gone.
39:52Chris and Nichol ended their call. Chris
39:55called the officer back at 2:05 a.m. on
39:57his work phone. Within seconds of that
40:00police call beginning, Nichol Kessinger
40:02called Chris's personal phone.
40:05Both calls running simultaneously.
40:08The investigating officer on the work
40:10phone, Nichol on the personal phone
40:13at 2:05 in the morning.
40:16While an officer was beginning to ask
40:18questions about a missing family.
40:20>> I don't remember.
40:22>> Investigators who reviewed this sequence
40:24noted what it implies.
40:26She was not calling to check in.
40:28She was not calling because she missed
40:30him.
40:31She was calling to listen
40:33to monitor in real time what the officer
40:36knew and what he did not.
40:38She has never been asked to explain why
40:41she called back at that
40:43>> But remember, we're just crazy.
40:45>> that exact moment.
40:47That call
40:48at 2:05 a.m. on August 14th was the last
40:53documented communication between Nichol
40:55Kessinger and Chris Watts.
40:59And within hours of ending it she had
41:01wiped her phone clean on August 14th
41:04>> But she had already
41:05>> before she had made any contact with
41:06investigators.
41:08Nichol Kessinger deleted virtually
41:10everything from her phone. All text
41:12messages. All photos. Her contact list.
41:16Her emails. Every connection to Chris
41:19Watts gone.
41:21She then instructed Chris to delete
41:22everything on his end.
41:24And she told her close friend Charlotte,
41:26who had received photographs of Chris
41:28and detailed conversations about him
41:30from Kessinger
41:32to wipe their entire thread as well.
41:35Deleting material evidence during an
41:37active homicide investigation has a
41:39legal name. Obstruction of justice.
41:43It was confirmed. It was documented
41:46inside the official discovery record.
41:49The following day, August 15th she
41:51called investigators.
41:54The sequence of that morning tells it
41:55>> This is part of damage control.
41:57>> its own story.
42:00At 5:00 a.m. a CBI agent Tammy Lee
42:04received a call from Anadarko Petroleum
42:06security manager Tony Musky.
42:09He informed investigators that a
42:11contracted employee had been exchanging
42:13messages with their primary suspect. He
42:16gave them two names, Chris Watts and
42:20Nichol Kessinger.
42:21Law enforcement already knew who she was
42:24before she made contact. Approximately 2
42:27hours later, at 9:50 a.m.,
42:31Kessinger called investigators.
42:33She was not being courageous. She was
42:36not being transparent.
42:38She was getting ahead of something she
42:40could already feel closing in.
42:43And here is what removes any remaining
42:45argument about that.
42:48On the same day she supposedly reached
42:50out to cooperate with an active murder
42:52investigation, her phone records show
42:55her searching,
42:57"Can cops trace text messages?
43:00How long do phone companies keep text
43:02messages?
43:03What is the difference between text
43:05message content and text message
43:08detail?"
43:09And then she deleted those searches.
43:11A woman cooperating fully and honestly
43:14does not spend her cooperation day
43:17researching the boundaries of what law
43:20enforcement can and cannot find.
43:23That is the behavior of someone
43:24calculating what they can survive.
43:27When Detective Koback later raised the
43:29phone deletions with her directly,
43:31Kessinger's explanation was that she was
43:34grossed out by Chris.
43:37That she simply did not want his name on
43:39her phone anymore.
43:42That answer was accepted.
43:44The conversation moved on.
43:47Here is where Tollman's account and the
43:49official discovery record produce
43:51something that cannot be dismissed.
43:55Tollman writes that in their prison
43:57conversations, Watts described believing
44:00at the time of the murders
44:02that Kessinger had a plan.
44:04That there there a next chapter already
44:07arranged.
44:08That he was not improvising alone on the
44:10morning of August 13th.
44:13He was executing a conclusion to a plan.
44:16Again,
44:17Chris's word filtered through Tollman.
44:21We hold that with the appropriate
44:22skepticism.
44:24But here is what the discovery record
44:26shows.
44:27Completely independent of anything
44:29Tollman published.
44:32At 10:33 a.m. on August 13th, 9 minutes
44:36after Chris hung up with Shannan's
44:38mother, Zandra Rucheck, having fed her
44:41the story that Shannan had simply gone
44:43to a friend's house, Chris Watts opened
44:46Google and searched for hotels in Aspen,
44:48Colorado.
44:509 minutes after manufacturing a cover
44:52story for his grieving
44:53>> He thought he was in the clear.
44:56>> mother-in-law.
44:589 minutes after four people had been at
45:00Survey 319 for more than four hours,
45:04he searched Aspen resort hotels, and
45:07then he called a mountain resort
45:08directly.
45:10A man operating in a pure panic who
45:13committed an impulsive crime driven by a
45:15moment of rage, as he initially claimed,
45:19does not search Aspen resort hotels.
45:22He does not call mountain resorts.
45:25He does not browse destinations.
45:27>> family.
45:28>> You only do that if you believe your
45:30next chapter has already been arranged.
45:33>> That is a good point.
45:35What he just said. That's confirmation
45:37that he thought he was he was clear.
45:40>> If you believe someone is managing the
45:42other end of this.
45:43>> Yeah.
45:44>> If you are not improvising alone, but
45:46executing a conclusion to something that
45:48was already in motion.
45:51Dylan Tollman didn't create that hotel
45:53search. It was in the discovery file.
45:56Tollman arrived on top of a behavioral
45:58pattern that was already forensically
46:00documented.
46:01>> just going to verify
46:02>> the question it generates, who did he
46:04believe was waiting for him on the other
46:06side of that trip, has never been
46:08formally answered.
46:11The toxicology report conducted on
46:13Shannan Watts confirmed the presence of
46:15oxycodone in her system.
46:17Chris Watts didn't have a prescription
46:20for oxycodone.
46:21>> No, they didn't.
46:22>> Shannan Watts didn't have a prescription
46:24for oxycodone.
46:26In his confessions, Watts acknowledged
46:29the oxycodone. He acknowledged it was in
46:31her system.
46:33He has refused, consistently and
46:35completely, to name the source.
46:39>> But yet, he's
46:41he's with God.
46:43Again,
46:44I don't want to say that cuz it's
46:46judging him. I I got to stop saying
46:48that.
46:49>> In one prison communication reviewed by
46:52investigators, he stated that the origin
46:55of the oxycodone is a secret he will
46:58take to his grave.
47:00A secret he will take to his grave.
47:03>> Hazy.
47:04>> That is a deliberate choice of language.
47:07That is not the phrasing of a man who
47:09simply does not remember.
47:11That is the phrasing of a man protecting
47:13someone.
47:15In 8 years of reporting,
47:17>> Yep.
47:18>> across every documentary and every
47:20podcast that has covered this case, the
47:22source of the oxycodone found in a
47:24murder victim's system has never been
47:27officially identified.
47:28>> And how can you say that the it's
47:31the case is closed.
47:34Cases can be op- or reopened if the
47:37evidence was not properly done right.
47:40And the evidence in this has been not
47:42done right.
47:43>> No investigation has ever formally
47:46answered it.
47:47And the one person who knows has told
47:49the world, in writing, that he will not
47:52say.
47:53That question sits exactly where it has
47:55always sat. Open, unanswered,
47:59and officially abandoned.
48:01On October 30th, 2018, Detective Michael
48:05Prill submitted his forensic data report
48:07to the Weld County District Attorney's
48:09Office.
48:10It was unlike anything else in the
48:13entire discovery file.
48:16For the first time, someone inside law
48:18enforcement was writing in a way that
48:21made clear they were no longer simply
48:23processing Kessinger as a cooperative
48:25witness.
48:27Prill documented her search history in
48:29specific detail.
48:31He flagged her deletion of critical
48:33evidence.
48:34He noted that Chris Watts was
48:35communicating with Kessinger through
48:37channels beyond what had been examined,
48:40including a hidden calculator
48:42application through which photographs
48:44were arriving entirely outside any
48:47standard
48:48>> Skype
48:49>> text thread.
48:50An application that required a separate
48:53investigation to trace.
48:55An investigation that never happened.
48:58He documented Skype usage between Watts
49:01and Kessinger.
49:02A platform that carries entirely
49:04separate message records from a standard
49:06phone, requiring a separate legal
49:09request to obtain. Those records were
49:11never requested. He documented Chris's
49:14confirmed use of Snapchat, a platform
49:17whose fundamental design auto-deletes
49:20messages.
49:22Those records were never subpoenaed.
49:24And then he used a word, his word, in an
49:27official government document to describe
49:30Kessinger's voicemails and her general
49:32affect across the evidence he reviewed.
49:35Creepy.
49:36That is the word a forensic detective
49:38used inside an official law enforcement
49:40report to describe the woman his own
49:43department had classified
49:45forensic report in his hands.
49:47On November 6th, 2018, exactly 1 week
49:52after that report was issued,
49:54Chris Watts accepted a guilty plea.
49:57>> They never got a trial.
49:58>> No witness testimony under oath.
50:02No Nickole Kessinger sitting on a stand
50:05being cross-examined by a defense
50:07attorney who had read every single word
50:09of that forensic file.
50:11The case closed. Whether Chris Watts
50:14accepted that plea purely to avoid the
50:16death penalty
50:17>> There's more.
50:18>> or whether he understood that a trial
50:20would force questions into a courtroom
50:22that certain people needed to keep out
50:24of is something only he can answer.
50:28>> Excuse me.
50:28>> But one week between that forensic
50:30report and that guilty plea is not a
50:32coincidence.
50:34That sequence explains itself. Let me
50:37lay this out with precision.
50:39This is not a list of theories.
50:42This is the documented record of what
50:43the official investigation confirmed
50:46and then did not pursue.
50:49Gap one.
50:50>> And they call that justice.
50:53>> Her phone pinged a cell tower near the
50:56Watts family home at 6:16 a.m. on the
50:59morning of August 13th.
51:01>> Checking his emails again.
51:02>> 13th. A tower her phone had never pinged
51:05in months of prior records and never
51:08pinged again afterward.
51:10No investigator formally asked her to
51:12account for this location. No official
51:15explanation was ever produced.
51:18Gap two.
51:20Less than 36 hours before that ping, she
51:23had searched the Watts family home
51:25address online.
51:27That search is in the discovery record.
51:29It was never raised as a point of direct
51:31confrontation in any of her six
51:34interviews.
51:35Gap three.
51:37>> They ask better questions in the
51:39babysitter interview.
51:40>> She requested photographic proof of
51:42Chris's presence at Survey 319, the
51:45crime scene, on the day of the murders.
51:49In months of prior records, she had
51:51never once asked him to photograph his
51:53work location on any other day.
51:56The investigator who had this
51:57information didn't follow up.
52:01Gap four.
52:03She spent 156 minutes on the phone with
52:06Chris on the night of the murders, calls
52:09she could not
52:10>> She doesn't remember any of them.
52:12>> coherently account for.
52:14She offered to come in and manually
52:16reorganize her messages to fill those
52:18gaps.
52:19She never returned. No investigator
52:22followed up.
52:24Gap five.
52:26She called Chris's personal phone the
52:28moment a police call connected on his
52:31work phone at 2:05 in the morning.
52:33No investigator ever formally asked her
52:35to explain the timing of that specific
52:37call.
52:39Gap six.
52:40She deleted the entire contents of her
52:42phone before surrendering it to
52:45investigators.
52:46The forensic report issued by Detective
52:48Prill confirmed in writing that the
52:51technology at the Northern Colorado
52:53Forensic Laboratory did not allow for
52:56complete data extraction from Apple
52:58devices.
53:00>> 100%
53:01>> Possibly thousands of messages were
53:03never recovered. The limitation was
53:05documented. The investigation was
53:08declared complete anyway.
53:10Gap seven.
53:12She casually referenced using Skype with
53:14Chris during one interview.
53:16A platform carrying entirely separate
53:18message records requiring a separate
53:21legal request.
53:23Skype records were never requested. Gap
53:26eight.
53:27Chris Watts's confirmed use of Snapchat,
53:30a platform that auto deletes messages by
53:32design, was documented in the discovery
53:34file. Snapchat records were never
53:37subpoenaed. Gap nine.
53:40She searched Shanann Watts by
53:42as early as January 2018.
53:45>> Even sooner.
53:45>> Five months before she claims to have
53:47met Chris.
53:48Confirmed on the record by DA Michael
53:51Rourke. Never independently investigated
53:54because the conviction
53:55>> He even says that she's hampering.
53:58When they do the
54:00the thing with the news broadcasters and
54:02so forth, uh
54:04uh
54:07press something Oh my gosh, I'm having a
54:09blank.
54:12Oh, you guys are going to tell me in the
54:13comments. Um
54:15When he even said that, yeah, she did
54:17hamper. But we didn't feel that she
54:19needed to be looked at.
54:21What?
54:22>> was already secured.
54:24Gap 10.
54:26The source of the oxycodone, confirmed
54:29present in Shannan Watts's system by
54:32toxicology report, remains officially
54:35unknown.
54:35>> Can't be verified.
54:36>> Chris Watts has stated it is a secret he
54:39will take to his grave.
54:41No official investigation has ever
54:43formally answered the question.
54:46Those are 10 documented, confirmed,
54:49publicly verifiable gaps in an
54:51investigation that was officially
54:53declared complete.
54:54Any one of them individually might be
54:56rationalized. Bureaucratic limitation.
55:00Prosecutorial priority.
55:02The pressure of a timeline.
55:04All 10 in sequence, aligned with the
55:07documented timeline of a quadruple
55:09homicide, cannot.
55:11Before we reach the final section, this
55:14case requires a moment it consistently
55:17does not get.
55:19Chris Watts was identified within hours.
55:22Not because of sophisticated
55:24surveillance technology. Not because of
55:26forensic procedure alone.
55:28>> Cuz he was an idiot.
55:29>> But because the women who loved Shannan
55:31refused to accept
55:32>> That, too.
55:33>> what they were being told. Nicole
55:36Atkinson had been with Shannan in
55:38Arizona on a work trip that entire
55:40weekend.
55:42She had watched her friend navigate the
55:44quiet fracture of her marriage. She had
55:46driven Shannan home from the airport at
55:48nearly 2:00 in the morning on August
55:5113th and stood at the door until she was
55:54safely inside.
55:56When 9:00 a.m. arrived and Shannan
55:59missed her prenatal appointment, Nicole
56:01did not send another text.
56:03>> Just think if Nicole Atkinson never
56:05would have gone into there to verify to
56:08be so persistent. It could have went on
56:10for weeks, maybe months.
56:12But then people are like, "Oh, NICOLE
56:14ATKINSON WAS INVOLVED." WHAT? LIKE, ARE
56:16YOU KIDDING ME?
56:18>> She drove to the doctor's office,
56:20confirmed Shannan was a no show, and
56:22went directly to 2825 Saratoga Trail.
56:26>> I think she did the right thing.
56:27>> looked through the garage window.
56:29He saw Shannan's car. He saw the girls'
56:31car seats still inside.
56:34Nicole called the police, and she did
56:36not move from that driveway until
56:38someone with a badge arrived.
56:41She is one of the primary reasons this
56:43case broke open in hours rather than
56:46days.
56:48>> Cassie, one of Shannan's closest
56:50friends, cut through every manipulation
56:53attempt Chris made in a single response.
56:56When he reached out and wrote that he
56:58really didn't want her to think he was a
57:01>> She's like, "I don't give a crap about
57:02you, Chris. I want to find Shannan and
57:05Celeste. I don't care about you."
57:08>> bad person, she replied with clarity
57:10that is still remarkable to read. "Right
57:13now, Chris, I don't care about you. I
57:16don't care about your relationship or
57:18what type of person you are or are not.
57:21>> Bring her up.
57:21>> Where is Shannan?"
57:23Everything else was noise.
57:25She had one question, and she held it.
57:28And Addy, the moment she got off a phone
57:31call with Chris that afternoon, sent a
57:33single message to the friend group that
57:35stands as one of the most precise things
57:38said by anyone in the first hours of
57:41this case.
57:43The police need to look at Chris's cell
57:44phone and his computer.
57:47One phone conversation was all she
57:48needed. She read exactly who she was
57:51dealing with and named the evidence that
57:53would break it open.
57:55She was right.
57:57These women compressed the timeline
57:59before anyone could finish covering
58:01their tracks. Their refusal to accept
58:03the
58:04>> But no, we don't need to look at it.
58:06>> explanations being handed to them is the
58:09reason evidence existed before more of
58:12it could disappear.
58:15They have never received the credit this
58:16case owes them. Shannan Watts was 34
58:20years old.
58:21She documented her life openly, her
58:24marriage, her daughters, her Thrive
58:26business, her hope.
58:28Because she believed in what she was
58:30building.
58:31She was not naive.
58:33She was not blind.
58:36She knew something was deeply wrong in
58:39her marriage in the weeks before August
58:4013th.
58:41>> And because she tried to go and say or
58:43save her marriage, she was a terrible
58:46spouse.
58:48>> She searched for marriage counselors.
58:50She ordered a book on rebuilding
58:52relationships.
58:54She wrote her husband a letter telling
58:56him she would fight for them.
58:58She did everything a person is supposed
59:01to do when the life they love is
59:02beginning to fracture.
59:05And none of it was enough.
59:07Because the fracture was not an
59:09accident.
59:10It was a plan.
59:12Bella was 4 years old.
59:14August 13th was supposed to be her first
59:17day of school.
59:18Celeste was 3.
59:20Nico never took a single breath outside
59:23of his mother.
59:24None of them had any say in any of it.
59:28The phone records are there. The
59:30forensic reports are there. The GPS
59:33coordinates are there. The interview
59:35transcripts are there. The search
59:37histories are there. The evidence does
59:39not become less true because it remains
59:41unacted upon.
59:43And it does not become less worth
59:45knowing.
59:46Chris Watts is 40 years old.
59:48>> It deserves the fight that it needs.
59:50>> old.
59:51He is inside Dodge Correctional
59:53Institution in Waupun, Wisconsin.
59:56He works as a custodian. He attends
59:59Bible study. He writes letters.
1:00:01He is serving three consecutive life
1:00:04sentences without
1:00:05>> Then you have the channels that are
1:00:07saying that he's getting out like
1:00:09and I'm spreading false propaganda.
1:00:11Okay, whatever.
1:00:13>> of parole.
1:00:14He will die inside that building.
1:00:17That part of justice is secured.
1:00:19And it is exactly right.
1:00:22Nichol Kessinger changed her name.
1:00:24She left Colorado.
1:00:26She gave one interview to the Denver
1:00:28Post in late 2018, described herself as
1:00:32a victim of Chris's manipulation,
1:00:35and has not spoken publicly since.
1:00:38She was never charged. Here, with
1:00:40absolute
1:00:41>> Unless somebody actually dives down this
1:00:43and actually looks at it,
1:00:45which as of right now
1:00:48No, but hopefully in 3 years, maybe.
1:00:51>> precision is what that means.
1:00:53>> There's a new DA.
1:00:54>> And what it does not mean.
1:00:56DaMichael Rock made a legal
1:00:58determination that the evidence, as it
1:01:00existed at that specific moment, did not
1:01:03meet the threshold required for
1:01:05prosecution.
1:01:07That is a legal calculation made at a
1:01:10specific point in time.
1:01:13It is not an acquittal.
1:01:15It is not a declaration of innocence.
1:01:18It is a prosecutorial decision made
1:01:20before 10 of the documented gaps I just
1:01:23described were ever formally pursued.
1:01:26In his own interview with Investigation
1:01:28Discovery, Rock described Kessinger's
1:01:31information as, in his words, a
1:01:34bombshell that helped build the case
1:01:37against Chris.
1:01:39He described Chris as appearing to have
1:01:41had every intention of starting a new
1:01:43life with her.
1:01:45That is not the language of a man who
1:01:47believed she had nothing to do with any
1:01:49of it. He said the evidence did not
1:01:51support charging her. He did not say she
1:01:54was innocent.
1:01:56Those are different statements.
1:01:58And the difference between them is
1:02:00exactly where the unanswered questions
1:02:02live.
1:02:03>> Amen.
1:02:04>> Dylan Tallman's book didn't create those
1:02:06questions. The phone records created
1:02:09them. The cell tower data created them.
1:02:12The search history created them.
1:02:14>> And it warrants a fresh pair of eyes.
1:02:16>> The forensic report filed by a detective
1:02:19who used the word creepy in an official
1:02:22government document created them.
1:02:25Tallman arrived on top of suspicion that
1:02:28was already fully documented and fully
1:02:30established.
1:02:32What he added was a voice, Chris's
1:02:34voice, filtered, self-serving, and
1:02:38unreliable, confirming the shape of a
1:02:40story the evidence was already telling.
1:02:43The shape of a
1:02:44>> He was just verifying it from what he
1:02:46heard in prison. And then he wants to
1:02:49exploit it, expose it. Oh, I'll tell you
1:02:53everything, which he pretty much did.
1:02:55And then when they say that they want to
1:02:57bring him in to verify it, oh, no,
1:02:59you're good.
1:03:01He can't be trusted. Like, what?
1:03:03>> plan
1:03:04>> What?
1:03:05>> The shape of an ultimatum.
1:03:07The shape of someone who believed a next
1:03:11chapter was already waiting.
1:03:13Whether that is the complete truth, a
1:03:16partial truth, or a man redistributing
1:03:19blame from a prison cell.
1:03:21The 10 gaps remain open.
1:03:24The Skype records were never requested.
1:03:27The Snapchat subpoena never happened.
1:03:30The alibi witness was never named.
1:03:32The January 2018 search for Shannan was
1:03:35never investigated.
1:03:37The source of the Oxycodone remains
1:03:39unknown.
1:03:41And the one morning her phone pinged a
1:03:43tower near the house where a family was
1:03:46about to be destroyed.
1:03:48That morning has never, in eight years,
1:03:51received a formal explanation.
1:03:53>> And it needs to.
1:03:54>> If you made it to the end of this, thank
1:03:56you.
1:03:57I mean that genuinely.
1:03:59I want to ask you two specific questions
1:04:01in the comments.
1:04:02I read everything.
1:04:04First, the cell tower ping at 6:16 a.m.
1:04:08placing Nichol Kessinger's phone near
1:04:10the Watts
1:04:12>> And there's been channels that I've
1:04:13watched that are like, "Oh, this is why
1:04:14it happened."
1:04:16You can't 100% say that. But you can't
1:04:18100% say that she was there. No. But you
1:04:21know how we'd figure that out? We
1:04:23investigate it.
1:04:25>> family home on the morning of the
1:04:27murders.
1:04:27>> And they won't do it.
1:04:29>> Is that the single detail that changes
1:04:31how you have understood this case for
1:04:34eight years?
1:04:35Second,
1:04:37the 10 documented gaps, the deleted
1:04:39evidence, the Aspen Hotel search, the
1:04:42Survey 319 photo
1:04:44>> there.
1:04:45>> request, the 2 hours and 36 minutes on
1:04:48the night of the murders,
1:04:49the January 2018 search for a woman she
1:04:53claims not to have known existed.
1:04:56Do you believe this investigation was
1:04:58complete?
1:05:00Tell me where you stand.
1:05:02>> I stand with the red flag
1:05:05saying that Nichol Kessinger was
1:05:07involved in some shape or form, and we
1:05:09just want her interrogated properly. Is
1:05:11that all that we can ask for? Because
1:05:13we've seen it over and over and over and
1:05:16over and over and over and over over
1:05:18over over over like this case has been
1:05:21so done over.
1:05:23I watch react every day and be like,
1:05:26"Oh, it's the monkey see the only one
1:05:27that does it."
1:05:29No. No, I'm not.
1:05:31Um
1:05:35But this case warrants the opening or
1:05:38reopening refreshed look at new case on
1:05:42Nicole. Something's got to happen.
1:05:46And people are just like, "Oh, that's
1:05:47done. It's over. Let's move on."
1:05:49Why?
1:05:51Is it that bad of a problem to look at
1:05:53NK?
1:05:56We already got the bad guy.
1:05:58Just look.
1:06:01How hard is it? And then people are
1:06:03like, "Well, how hard is it to forget
1:06:05about?" People are still wondering about
1:06:07the Lizzie Borden case. People are still
1:06:09wondering about other cases, murders
1:06:11that happened back how many years ago?
1:06:16Because there might be somebody else
1:06:17involved.
1:06:19It always happens.
1:06:23Drop your guys' thoughts and opinions
1:06:24down below on this. Definitely a very
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