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0:00um you said the next thing you know is
0:02her getting into bed with you is that
0:04right I could have celebrated but we
0:06didn't say anything because I just kind
0:08of felt it okay do you know she was on
0:10her phone or like how many about works
0:12I'll change you of the on her phone like
0:15it was really late so what did her like
0:18routine for when she comes to bed like
0:21before she gets into bed I know it's
0:22kind of weird - she was coming from the
0:24airport but like at a normal night like
0:26to shoot brush her teeth take our makeup
0:28like give me that food yes a normally
0:30employed reischel desert so brush your
0:33teeth just makeup remover like a rag and
0:35so do all that he'll take her balance
0:38which is like a something that held like
0:41stomach you know help everything like
0:44now I'll technical accident but it's
0:46something like that
0:47but uh yeah so go through so do that and
0:50then pretty much it until lay in bed so
0:55tax people call people like if she needs
0:58to as far as like anybody familiar
1:00customer I hit my neither does she
1:03charge her phone
1:06okay what about I heard she had an apple
1:09watch is that right yeah did she charge
1:11so she turned your Apple watch every
1:12night Chartres is right there next to it
1:14but does she do it every night or does
1:16she wait till it I'm almost done I see
1:19the book two other night every night she
1:21was asleep with her Apple watch on does
1:23she sleep with anything else on usually
1:25a t-shirt and underwear but is t-shirt
1:30underwear okay what about that night do
1:32you remember or that morning I should
1:34say I think it was a t-shirt named the
1:37teacher none we're okay that's because I
1:39get so hot the house we had issues where
1:41the top desi for the top level have been
1:45like cutting out so I just felt hotter
1:47upstairs usually so like I'm at asleep
1:50in boxers and like I know that you know
1:52she we're both like furnaces so like
1:54we're in bed so so a t-shirt under we're
1:58like do you know that or just Auggie
2:00catch me judgment okay did you see her
2:03like I thought I just saw her like you
2:07know pick you up
2:09cousin like my cell to crawl in the bed
2:11just when they're hugging or fishing or
2:15anything else that went on
2:17today no I just I just I just felt feel
2:19again the bed where is your like how you
2:22sometimes I sleep I sleep like pipe
2:25facing the wall I decided that do you
2:27think on so I'm on like if this is the
2:30bed I'm on the right side she's on the
2:31left side so I'm usually like this I'm
2:33just in the back or side my stomach
2:35sleeper or anything okay so your back is
2:38to her that's when I got my calculator
2:40because the beds a separate feed bed but
2:43like it sucks and I could feel her get
2:47in the bed and then um at first like
2:51jewelry to shake off jewelry I'm not she
2:53wears jewelry I don't think she wears
2:57her wedding ring she were that to bed
2:59the only thing like only time she ever
3:01takes it off is to call her hair to
3:04color her hair she keeps it now was she
3:07as she had she stopped wearing it at all
3:10because of you know he's very can alter
3:13your heart time or anything like that
3:14she wore to Arizona
3:16hold up
3:21so what cuz I think mine left in the
3:24house yes I my pen
3:26where's that unusual bird like you found
3:28that to be all yeah yeah she colored her
3:30hair to be in the bathroom and then she
3:33put her right eye on did you see any
3:35evidence that she colored her hair like
3:37to now could you just our hair the week
3:39before
3:39okay cuz I think her mom her mom and her
3:43what they're going to do it because her
3:44mom's a hairdresser okay so so he does
3:47it with her mom or well she was going to
3:49do it because her mom's a hairdressers
3:50there about things she just caught it on
3:51her own
3:52cuz you're better if like evidences made
3:54her change her hair to a different color
3:56I like to you know disguise herself like
3:59did you get any mm-hmm I mean like most
4:02time she likes keep her hair black okay
4:06um so
4:11she goes into bed you feel her get into
4:13bed and then is there a conversation
4:17she gets into bed nom like it was I wait
4:20til I get up okay then you get up it for
4:23you ready stuff yeah
4:25and then what happens after that that's
4:28when she told that she had told me the
4:30night before like it you know when I get
4:32home I want to want to get up swing his
4:34Airport off like take a shower you know
4:36tell me what that means
4:37well forget the airport off of me you
4:39know like doesn't saying like she didn't
4:41want to just you know get in that late
4:44and hop in the shower and stuff like
4:46that so you just want to go to sleep so
4:47like she wanted to get up like when I
4:49got up so she could take shower she want
4:51to get up in two hours oh no she thought
4:55that like she'd be home at 11:00 but
4:57that wasn't the case
4:58oh did she tell you that once you would
5:00you have to become with Olivia but did
5:02you think feel like maybe she still
5:04wants to get up and oh if I assume like
5:09I know I'm just you know it's not going
5:11to be in trouble I would be in trouble
5:11so why do you have those things I've
5:14done that many times and I learned that
5:16you have to do it - it's okay when it
5:21comes with that because it just I want
5:23to make your man so I think so
5:27she ends up you wake her up how do you
5:30wake her up obviously you know like I'm
5:33not like not to like no no go like that
5:36you know it's kinda like rubber shoulder
5:38it's kind of like really lightly could
5:40still give me the alligator I like one
5:42eye open one eye shut type thing and
5:44like look at me like what the hell are
5:45you doing type thing well I can just
5:47Kylie rubber like rubber heads a little
5:49bit just kind of wake her up like slowly
5:51not where it's like jolting her and like
5:53that and that's all over up so are you
5:56outside the bed when you're doing that I
5:57slip back into bed here in bed doing
6:00that yeah iPhones all the covers like
6:01uh-huh yeah okay done it all work
6:04clothes and everything like that okay
6:05and what is she saying just like uh like
6:09hey you wanna wake up thick chowder and
6:11she's like uh you know I'll do it like
6:13that
6:13and I told her like Kimmy like when we
6:16talk a little bit and she's like yes
6:17let's talk like she groggy a dollar what
6:20she's not the shooting she was pretty
6:23happy with it and surprisingly like
6:26disagree with it
6:27and how to start that conversation
6:28that's already know like no we need to
6:31sell this house like we need to downsize
6:34we need to get something to wear it
6:37we're not just like it's not strapped so
6:39much because I mean the house women were
6:41painting like I mean not going on much
6:44you're paying a month for the health of
6:46it as like 27 bucks a month and that's
6:48that's that's a lot I mean with the kids
6:51school like it was a lot so it's like
6:55alright if we can like sell the house
6:57like she had already contacted the
6:59realtor like the week before to an email
7:01so like the realtor already kind of knew
7:03about like that we were interested in
7:06the house so like me how I deal in
7:09tanana 2013 nothing so amazing I mean so
7:15like I went to that and absolutely I was
7:17no maybe just did something smaller like
7:20Brighton northglenn I mean somewhere
7:24that's cheaper I mean I know nothing's
7:25cheap right now which is something but
7:28like the colder you know like and told
7:30her about what I would feel like I don't
7:31want to text through it I'm a collar
7:33about like a separation like like really
7:35like I wanted to be face to face we're
7:38talking about that and so tell me how
7:41that
7:41and it was felt like I just don't feel
7:44the connection anymore and that like how
7:47we how we were together like it just
7:50wasn't working anymore and that like the
7:53love that we had in the beginning I
7:55don't feel that anymore that I mean she
7:58she said you know like it's more just
8:00crying and emotional and it was he mad
8:04at all
8:05I mean being crying trying like she was
8:08crying like I was I mean yeah I mean she
8:11was I said but I mean it was it comes
8:14with that kind of conversation like she
8:18accuse you of anything
8:20I mean being a woman I mean she's like
8:22is there somebody else in like now
8:24there's nobody else I mean this is this
8:26is me talking to you about this isn't it
8:28like somebody came into my life and took
8:31me from you this is you know me talking
8:34to you this is just me
8:37like there's no outside influence coming
8:39from this like this is what trying to
8:42this is this is how I feel is she seemed
8:45like she believed that my daughter is
8:47nobody else yeah I mean I believe her
8:51when you know like if I believed that
8:53she would never had like an affair on me
8:56and she knows I would do that to her
9:00like we've like I mean we've talked
9:03about that before like may not like you
9:04ever accused you of that no she really
9:08suspected like anyone else what you're
9:10close to like way way way early in our
9:13relationship like I know when when we
9:16first got together and I was still
9:17getting that message people that girl's
9:19friends with and she asked questions and
9:21like stuff like that like who that how
9:23you know her like and I were just like I
9:26were just like no not talking them
9:28anymore just like ease her mind i thing
9:31was she like a jealous person that was
9:33you know look through your phone or she
9:36had full access to my home I know the
9:38did she I'm sure she I mean if she use
9:41my phone for Facebook or like Prive or
9:45she was here that she yeah okay she like
9:48she would she would run like like that's
9:52from the Thrive stuff through me like
9:55she would like make a post for me some
9:56of that
9:59stuff like that do you do that is what
10:01I'm like would you like it no no no no
10:04no like like the only reason a lot in
10:06facebook like the last two days to show
10:08the cops like like other pictures and
10:11stuff like that or show like the news
10:13crew a picture or something like that
10:14okay because she had she had a lot shed
10:16on my phone as well she used this
10:18leglock in there dude community it's
10:20like she did it because like sometimes
10:22her phone messed up and she gives use my
10:24phone and his boat was right there and
10:26then hers was on yours as well that
10:28right now she is used mine
10:31oh yeah yeah I've seen can toggle back
10:33and forth okay
10:34actually just logout of hers go in that
10:36yeah it was just one of the things like
10:38she knew I couldn't sell help you out
10:41yes like she would just use like any
10:44friends that I had and just went from
10:46there okay
10:48so how'd the conversation with her like
10:50how long did it last
10:51would you say say like select from 415 -
10:55just like closer like five and I guess
11:01I'm alone
11:02- because you talked about it your
11:04tolerance outlet sell the house and get
11:06a house like cheaper and bring what I
11:07like I wanted to sell the house just
11:09like we get like if we do separate like
11:14we'd have like money to ourselves and we
11:17could like like if I was hoping to stay
11:20here really because she had told me
11:23before like you know if we did separate
11:25like
11:25poor liver on her own and she said you
11:28two could I I was just like you know
11:30like give it a shot like for every money
11:32that we get from the house like you know
11:34you were talking about you guys buying a
11:36house together somewhere it was more
11:37like English a wheel in it well looks
11:40like we can we can go like we can we can
11:44have some money left over like and have
11:49be close to each other tell me about I
11:52know it sucks come sit here and talk to
11:54someone honest before going to UM tell
11:58me about your financial situation
12:00I know $2,500 a lot for house payments
12:04yeah I mean how much were you paying for
12:06at primeros
12:07last year we paid like 25 miles long so
12:11what did they like a Kelly Ashley look
12:16took I think it's closer like $500 a
12:20week
12:26what other milk either's have their
12:28surgeries from neck surgery having
12:33turning a disc that was compressing down
12:37there's like nothing like there's no
12:38like fluid that like the spinal cord
12:41with the fluid the support it was this
12:42is bone on bone and she if she has a
12:45scar like right here did she have
12:46insurance for that what okay yeah but
12:49it's whatever's left little codes like
12:51over hundred thousand dollar surgery so
12:53how much individuals have she covered
12:56all the finances as far as like that
12:58however was hot
13:00that's a real blast no earlier I could
13:10look at my phone um thought alleged yeah
13:15him last year because I remember
13:17Christina from Hawaii came to help and
13:19it was during football season so I think
13:23it was last August September October
13:26summer
13:28okay so fairly recently yeah first where
13:32the big dose you see fees like endoscopy
13:38for yo e because she had acid reflux and
13:42uh howdy testing and she had a clogged
13:48tear duct and yeah tubes and rears and
13:55their adenoids removed so there was bad
14:00yeah though that that what medication
14:03anion are they on some medication um
14:04they have inhalers for like prayer they
14:09were going through like their like they
14:11like child asthma but I couldn't call it
14:13as MCOs are so young so they would have
14:15like a little halo that I'll be your own
14:17hailer there and see Jeff singular which
14:23was for allergy like um and Bella or and
14:27teach you how to represent two for the
14:29acid reflux
14:32matsusaki you government like pretty
14:35much combat resolved
14:36I just coming it gets you to that went
14:39up just draw the day like 30 minutes
14:41before she eats if I just I get remember
14:42like somewhere in there I'm seeing right
14:44here at or at night okay okay so what
14:48are the big dose because I think that
14:50was mainly what we've had some credit
14:52card bills how much do you think you owe
14:54on credit cards total take it's like a
14:59random guess
15:04I guess not a prett ism I'm Dutch lab I
15:08like you don't be the finances no
15:11because I mean yeah contingent you like
15:14like whom she met me like no one stupid
15:17think that I did was that I sold my
15:19four-wheeler for less tonight hi that I
15:23owed on it and she just like how the
15:24stupidest thing I ever heard you're
15:25never testify I'm like okay I didn't do
15:28with that right what about like car
15:30payment and stuff oh it was paid for by
15:33the bill which time the car was paid for
15:36about drive without Lavelle the company
15:38and drive the product oh so she's a
15:42four-team sells over twelve thousand
15:45dollars a month they give you a car
15:47bonus oh there's no they pay the bills
15:50the carbonyl yeah they give you a
15:52hundred bucks a month and can you drive
15:54the car
15:55link is edible Amalie card oh right
16:01things pretty okay so we're about any
16:04other bills or any other I'm a train the
16:07surgeries and the kids blow operations
16:11and credit cards the house just like
16:16utilities stuff like that we we had
16:20thought for banks you like two years
16:21just because of everything that was like
16:23on our plate and how much was discharged
16:26another cookie I am Not sure but not
16:30their fault it was you know cars and now
16:35we have cars with a part of it because
16:38cuz he was a useless at that point time
16:41I think it was mainly like a lot of like
16:45maybe furniture to be owed on um just
16:49everything that it's hardly even
16:51ballpark number honestly because it was
16:53a medical like medical thing significant
16:56than just normal bankruptcy I think so
16:57that none of that was touched and the
16:59house is it was still you know it wasn't
17:02part of either attack you know so just
17:04like anything else that was like like
17:07outstanding or pending but I could even
17:10put a ballpark I really don't know okay
17:13I'm sorry about that
17:15okay so how would you like classify your
17:18financial situation I mean with with
17:22everything that we have going on I mean
17:24like with what the kids like go back
17:27when they're going back
17:28it was it probably like pretty much like
17:31check to check if you know because most
17:34like she had taken out a loan on my 401k
17:36as well to catch up with the health
17:37payments okay how much did she take out
17:43about one like that so I'm going to say
17:52side one to you
17:53this ballpark in that but because we
17:56were like almost three months behind
17:58was it told that close to being
18:00repossessed or even not like we had a
18:03letter from Chase that's who the lenders
18:06from what did how did she feel about the
18:11situation you guys are in I mean she was
18:13stressed out about it I mean that's why
18:15we took the 401k loan out thousand
18:17actually can do and put it all towards
18:20the house and I get caught up sorry you
18:23current right now I just got paid augurs
18:27doing that doing the first do about a 16
18:31tomorrow
18:33okay um and who do you have to get help
18:38to turn through your job yep you're not
18:40out there how much do you pay for that
18:43each month I think it's like 300 every -
18:49every two weeks
18:51350 I think it sir I'm trying to think
18:54now there's a hundred a month
18:56it's I look at my last pay stub but
19:00maybe it's like 500 something a month
19:02sometime to think like I'm like all the
19:05deductions that we have coming out for
19:07like me plus spouse and child type thing
19:11so they don't they don't classify it I'd
19:13like you know like if you have another
19:14child it goes up it's just like no you
19:17plus stalfos child or something yeah
19:20yeah I think it's every two weeks kind
19:24of paid bi-weekly so enough looking at
19:27my last check but I think it's about
19:30maybe it's like five something a month
19:33so that health insurance or no life
19:35insurance do you guys have any life
19:37insurance yes
19:38yeah I got a one for Jen to work and
19:43then one for both kids to work
19:45I think balance less is like a 20,000
19:50won
19:50I think Ella max you could do and then
19:53cover the Pete yeah I think that's what
19:54we might imagine can differ you know
19:56yeah and like I think shanz is like 50
20:00or 100 that's max you do okay do you
20:03guys have any play color place like the
20:05church for the music I think I was like
20:07her own and I have my own type thing
20:10okay how much do you have money or no
20:12clue why don't you know what what you
20:15guys didn't see dog because all that of
20:18like cuz like I think the person
20:23introduced us my cousin's wife she did
20:26like insurance I think she did it her Oh
20:29her name's Nicole because they're not
20:33together anymore
20:34Nicole Kennedy done that Mary didn't
20:38what is she saying they're still close
20:40with her like what you know I don't
20:42think that Shannon Ethel now
20:45that's nothing about like I Carol boss
20:48and like some like money thing or is
20:51like him and some like it was something
20:55that I didn't know that was trying to
20:57embed link yeah okay like this he was
20:59the boss was embezzling or did they get
21:02cute shinny and I think it was the other
21:03way around by like no like really
21:06details about it and it was like one was
21:09saying one thing saying the other I'm
21:12just like I just want to make sure I'm
21:14not getting that my stuff do the posh
21:16maybe you maybe a fuchsia nana's and
21:19definitely money yeah and how long would
21:21that have been
21:22well that was like right before I met
21:25her like two thousand times
21:26yeah okay and where was she working was
21:29she working at said by her boss like her
21:31bosses when they owned all the wheel
21:32shops and I think Nicole Dana has about
21:35digging ditches interests he did
21:37insurance at that point in time and
21:40okay so whatever happened with that like
21:43the boss
21:44keeping your wife I was there there
21:46they're still good friends don't wash in
21:49your life yeah he's actually he's like
21:51putting her thing out on Facebook like
21:53everybody has contacts all around the
21:55world so they're still like yeah she's
21:58trying to get him on thrive and all that
22:00kind of stuff I think she actually uses
22:02it but not right that uses it okay and
22:06then you should Nicola Shannon has a not
22:10falling out because of that go Canada
22:12there's there's like family Nicole
22:15there's Nicole's there's Nick stay I
22:16don't want to get all this like mixed up
22:18so the echo Canada yeah okay but you
22:21don't talk to Nicole Kennedy either I'll
22:22talk to her your she didn't reach out to
22:24you after open up and or anything like
22:26that
22:27no so do you have any idea like what
22:29policy Shannon were patent on you like
22:32how big it would have been right now
22:35will your work oh I know I have like a
22:38dismemberment saying at work if I get
22:40dismembered like 250,000 or something
22:43like that as far as like anything
22:45outside of work I'm I'm no no clue about
22:48a dollar amount I know she said all that
22:50up
22:51okay for her and you yeah okay did you
22:55ever help her with that at all
22:58she handled all that like she's like she
23:01always had books that the jobs I got the
23:03wheel stores and everything like that
23:05she was really good at it and she's mean
23:09she's great at money so Haley she yeah
23:11as she knows exactly like I want me to
23:14pay this right now I can pay all this I
23:16continue to like where where to did the
23:18outer money gasps joking right now yep
23:22as she knew what the priorities were so
23:26how are you like how are you right at
23:29this moment with your financial
23:30situation like you have money open on
23:32credit cards money in the bank plates
23:34that kind of stuff you're like uh so I
23:37think in chase they're like maybe like
23:39mm and they're USA probably about 1,500
23:42is are checking counselors just checking
23:45checking okay across credit cards like
23:48most ones I'm not used to credit cards I
23:52know they're like pretty much like she
23:53pays minimum on it so like I don't use
23:55banks now probably more than likely give
23:58me a third with the insert with the
23:59interest and interest payments and
24:02whatnot just pay the minimum they don't
24:04go down much but like I don't like
24:06Capital One maybe has like 100 bucks
24:09left
24:10does spend on it or something like that
24:11and like that credit one and the other
24:15tap once I got I got no it was probably
24:18don't have much time so I can use them
24:20so when you're talking to she and I'm
24:24sorry my bad about you know your
24:27financial situation and they think you
24:28should separate and that kind of stuff
24:30like to see her like act out against you
24:32like you know being pissed off like [ __ ]
24:35you know I know I know it's so much
24:38financial situation in general no no
24:40like like that morning when you go
24:43talking in the in bed and trying and
24:45upset like does she act out oh no no but
24:47we've never really raised the hand to
24:49each other struck each other like we
24:51only mean really really yell at each
24:54other like it's like when we talk it's
24:57pretty civil because there's that she
25:01didn't raise the hand to Danielle she
25:02join crap okay and you don't know any
25:06deaf man okay so when is like
25:10they're talking to the bit so it's not
25:12almost about five okay it's about 45
25:16minutes
25:17that's like he ever tell you to okay and
25:19then she tells you I'm taking the kids
25:21to a friend's house but I'll be back
25:22later yeah and she didn't tell you what
25:24friends I was or did she
25:25that's why I was very vague that's why I
25:27text her later that day like hey like
25:29you can tell me where you went where the
25:31kids up like we took the kids yeah no
25:35okay and then you do what after you get
25:39out of bed happy I was so like her go
25:41downstairs and pack my lunch make a
25:44protein shake down the the larger cup
25:47get my computer get my book bag and
25:50there's more tools in my truck and
25:54you're charging square at this time over
25:57on the corner of the house you have to
26:00roam the west side and that's where you
26:02normally park the truck hmm I give their
26:05cross straight where the neighbors is
26:06over there sad partner bitter because
26:07someone there's somebody going through
26:09the garages and cars parked on the
26:11outside like stealing stuff like in your
26:14neighborhood in Fredericton the matter
26:16neighborhood there's like three or four
26:18nights in a row they found somebody like
26:22um Cameron or anything you parts the the
26:25truck little closer to your house or
26:27well like sometimes I'll parking on on
26:29the neighbor's side or his camera faces
26:32cells just so they can catch it yes I
26:33could like if my my doorbell camera
26:35doesn't reach that far okay I think you
26:37know where what his camera angle is like
26:40have you looked at the surveillance
26:41video he told me work hard to oh he did
26:43yeah
26:44so that it can watch it yeah okay hey
26:46Tony Parker like right I don't wanna
26:48Park in front of you go away so that
26:49what some ice back into it like his life
26:51or somebody didn't forgot like oh
26:53there's not usually a truck there or
26:54something like that they want some just
26:56back into it sure so tell me that
26:58morning exactly what you did with your
27:00truck okay so I got in my truck pulled
27:03forward backed up to my garage so you
27:05get anything in it goes like sometimes
27:08over the weekend like I had everything
27:09already inside like I want to just give
27:11out my big clear container I have my own
27:13rings and like my headphone or my ear
27:15ear buds and everything like that and
27:17get a couple like
27:19combination wrenches opening wrenches my
27:22toolbox I knew like I was going to
27:23rebuild some stuff something box that
27:25day or helping for you that encoding
27:28Melissa intro
27:30chat we're going to be out there too so
27:32ideas and open end wrenches and stuff
27:33like that out of my own toolbox because
27:35that works better than the ones I did
27:37there for longer more torque on them so
27:40get all that doing in my truck and you
27:42talking about you to stuff in the back
27:44of your truck passenger professor I got
27:46two big clear containers in there I
27:48can't keep keep things organized so I
27:50like I like to find somebody riding with
27:52me like that or like a ride-along or
27:53something like because I'm do trainees
27:55every once in a while so they they can
27:58have their stuff and their twos like me
27:59slice up over move it and just like I
28:02can just jump into okay so you learn all
28:08that stuff up and then like how long do
28:10you think that takes you to do that five
28:14ten minutes okay
28:15Selene 5:15 to eight 525 or so okay and
28:19are you actually backed into the garage
28:20or just in the driveway back to Nicole's
28:23like not really back into the garage
28:25because her car was sitting in the
28:27garage so how far in the garage do you
28:29think you were caught all the way a
28:31quarter Louie
28:32oh just no matter core me like an eighth
28:35of the way okay is it a big truck very
28:38much index 250
28:41yeah it won't fit in the garage goes too
28:43long so okay um you learn all that stuff
28:48up and then what do you do from there
28:50fun get the truck and pull forward or
28:55hit the button for the garage door
28:56closed and try and drive off so how
28:59often do you actually take your tools
29:01out and put it in the garage or in the
29:03house or wherever you put I'll take that
29:04container I'll you can do it like I once
29:06saw like on a Friday like I got
29:07everything done like get it in there oh
29:10that normal that you would take it out
29:12on Friday and then that Monday when you
29:13go to work you would back your truck in
29:15and lopes your stomach Emma does that's
29:16for home that's a normal thing routine
29:19interview okay just good you don't want
29:21to leave it out there because that's
29:24especially to somebody like Ryan are
29:26like going around trying to steal stuff
29:28out of like trucks or things in that but
29:31during the week you log into the camera
29:34oh yeah I'm usually pretty DEP arrival I
29:36like like backing it on one side where
29:39like if some might had to go up to my
29:41truck
29:42maybe my doorbell camera will get it
29:44okay
29:46there's something like that just
29:47something kind of be like proactive
29:49about it Sarah so um
29:52now you do put the garage for down yeah
29:54I did it I have the Builder give me an
29:57idea of the route that you take to work
29:59because I don't know this area how you
30:01get to work and so I think I just kind
30:03of work out in the middle of nowhere so
30:04yeah like which the route you to so like
30:07that will have like 50 - oh how they 52
30:11and then go out to like well my job so
30:15so start from like your driveway like
30:17what street Iran unless you get right
30:20out to 50 all right um I like start over
30:22trail and then wind up hill Parkway and
30:27just tell me right or left that you're
30:28going okay so start to the trail took a
30:30right went until Parkway roundabout take
30:34a right on 107 take a left counter if
30:38it's to take 52 and this morning I went
30:42out to we're not the location so for
30:45down 52 East I'll die 76 out to the
30:52letter but after Roggin and out to the
30:54ranch so your ranch I don't know how
30:57this like three cameras like 386 or
30:59something like that
31:00do you have like a GPS that got you
31:02there okay oh no I knew I knew the way
31:05out there my whole like I know where
31:08everything is
31:09do you have a trucks tubular Garmin or
31:12whatever in here no nobody does this one
31:14that like tracks you're speeding and
31:17like hard braking and stuff like your
31:19employer yeah you're out seatbelt usage
31:21stuff like that but as far as like one
31:23I'll know like look what all my phone
31:25all my work phone there's like a well
31:28navigator type thing I give you like if
31:31I was going to a spot like out of my
31:34area type thing I could use it for that
31:36but usually I can just like tap in in my
31:38computer home directory and I can look
31:40up County Road
31:41like intersections that I can get there
31:42that way the all the ones I have in our
31:44area like from County Road 22 arm south
31:49that's our area all the way like the
31:51airport okay so like I'm bended pretty
31:55much every single one of them so like
31:56they send my sensei I'm at the Thomason
31:5821:16 like okay oh that that or someone
32:02told me on that there you know I'm at
32:03the Ritchie cashing to number one and
32:05over that - building out the Mars 28c
32:07and over that's at ok so this one you
32:10went to what which Wells did you go to
32:12when you fell into the survey e3 1930
32:161129 surgery 1029 - every 629 so which
32:20one did you go to fermenting 319 with
32:22anyone else there they showed up
32:25afterwards like Troy showed up Melissa
32:27Chad showed up and Cody was at the 1029
32:31and I know Troy last name Gordon Melissa
32:35Parrish John McNeil Robert she was out
32:40on the ranch as well but he wasn't at
32:42that one
32:42oh okay so you get out there about what
32:45time you think fine about 6:45 or so I
32:50think and you get out there by yourself
32:52out there at that point in time because
32:54Cody had Cody Roberts he hadn't reported
32:56that he had a leaking line out there on
32:59the back pressure line on the that makes
33:02sense but a back pressure line going up
33:05to the tank and there was a there's a
33:07spot on the ground like a wet spot like
33:10you're like oil was leaking
33:11okay so he said like it just kind of
33:13happened on Friday and I was before I
33:15told me about it that's what my dad did
33:18you know right there with him to try and
33:20help him fix that broad I wasn't work no
33:23I mean but Monday morning like he was
33:25going to make me out there he decided to
33:27go that 1029 first to a check on that
33:31pump unit get it trying to stroke up
33:32trying to get feel like get some pump
33:34action down hole okay so you're at 6:45
33:38at 3:19 and where you're like what time
33:43is your deer other people show up
33:44probably about I'm going to say about
33:477:15 7:30 a.m. around there and I'm like
33:50I'm trying to pressure test the line to
33:51see if I can find a leak today maybe you
33:53like just like your heart out there
33:55you're out there
33:57have a conversation yeah oh yeah
33:58everybody's out there like your crush
34:00testing the line we're digging that line
34:02down a little bit you can see something
34:04spraying out the where I guess I'm why
34:07are they not there when you're there I
34:08might get office first most of time like
34:10to go to office first u.s. field first
34:12one to like we have a couple of guys
34:14that are out the fields when people
34:15start out the office I just knew he had
34:17a leak there over the weekend I was just
34:19like I see what this is or I don't want
34:21this like getting like summer risk it
34:23gets so big that it's going to be like
34:24all right got a like a health stage
34:26environmental issue our hand right there
34:29okay and as far as you leaving at 5:30
34:33and getting to your places
34:34you know 6:45 is that normal like you
34:36would dormant that's a high surface
34:37oh my job is dipped in fathering six
34:39o'clock some around there I think I just
34:41knew it take a little while to get out
34:43there I want to be outside but we use
34:44like start work at like 6:30 okay so
34:47like if I'm going to the office I'll
34:49leave like 550 or so did you pick up
34:51anyone on the way or so anyway oh I get
34:54the convenience store gas station and
34:56you stopped on the way out there's no so
35:01you go straight out there all of a
35:02sudden the co-workers start showing up
35:04around 7:15 7:30 and then how long are
35:07you asked at well probably until cuz
35:12we're at that tent
35:13in mind for most of the day I know as a
35:161029 we were probably there at 11:00
35:20because we were there for Pawnee about
35:23ten o'clock or there but at that one
35:27location probably about power trying to
35:32get cuz they had to dig out that line I
35:34was leaking right words like guessing
35:36the pipe comes out of the ground it was
35:38leaking like maybe like a foot
35:39underneath it and what happened like
35:41giddy like something like a through it
35:43occurred to the pipe and we were
35:45pressure catching the line up to a
35:47certain up to a certain psi we finally
35:49got up to a certain psi or and to start
35:52this like bubbling boiling around I
35:55don't know I think about that bad that
35:56sounds bad I usually a picture doesn't
36:01sound like that's how it's supposed to
36:03work so okay so 11 o'clock you're 1029
36:06yeah hit the other two locations I told
36:09you about in between because the 1020
36:11now are there for rest day until I left
36:14so 319 - when do you think
36:18howard's about eight am and then you go
36:21to which well I stopped by that 629 but
36:24I wasn't there very long for like 3 min
36:26so to had some whipped checks that maybe
36:28that could that we'll head we were
36:30getting ready turn back on but it was
36:31missing two parts at the wellhead I did
36:33I thought I had to which actually I had
36:35one so I played over and who was at that
36:38well when you get the over okay and then
36:40the next well numbers 111 29 I drove
36:42over there to see if it was ready to run
36:44it wasn't so at what time do you think
36:46you got there about nine okay and then
36:52you were there till 11 Richmond no oh
36:54there's almost one about by about 10:00
36:57oh okay and then where did you go after
36:59that I'm 29 oh you were there although
37:03that's alright it's good so you were
37:07there from 9-10 another one before 1029
37:10yeah and then you were at 10:29 from 10
37:13o'clock go out left until like 2 o'clock
37:16were told one o'clock when I left
37:19because we were there for a while we had
37:21to replace stuffing box rubbers and take
37:23everything apart because the rods are
37:25getting so hot can you with that 1029
37:27that would then Cody Roberts time McNeal
37:30Melissa Parrish to live boy those are
37:32all key things all kinds yes yeah that
37:36day we did does Melissa Parrish she's
37:39one of our green hats that's attorney
37:40and it was Kody drought and Chad
37:44coronaries long troy okay huge they were
37:47trying to show her the ropes no stuff
37:49okay anyone else of your co-workers or
37:53anyone else out there no so much would
37:56anyone else have seen you either on the
37:58way out there or out there when you know
38:03like a god and stop anywhere like I just
38:05I'm your way to anyone did you
38:07you know anything like that they even
38:10over I know it's early in the morning
38:12I'm Matt called a few people like while
38:15I was out there but for some reason like
38:17it you know like when you call somebody
38:20and just like it just says like
38:23connecting or whatever it's doing and
38:25doesn't like starts actually rain until
38:27the second start to come up like one
38:29alright it just kept like said dying or
38:32who are you trying to call I'll have
38:34time to call Cody Roberts trying to call
38:37Troy and Jed and none of those went
38:40through no they were trying to call me
38:42and said the number you have dialed
38:43cannot be completed as dialed or
38:45something like that okay do you make any
38:48other phone calls like I texted them
38:53coming yeah yeah anytime that I uh and
38:58then I uh I got ahold of Luke I think I
39:02find anything from this phone or this
39:03moment old like hey I'm out here I like
39:07a song huh
39:08yeah so why did you do that normally
39:11while the thousands Tom could like came
39:13because a pink Troyer chat so they were
39:16trying to get a hold of you and like
39:18nothing I've heard time excited like the
39:20full number cannot be completed as
39:21dialed
39:22and I okay I'll call him and let him
39:24know okay you know not sure what's going
39:26on is going yeah that plays sometimes
39:28get hit an oil field Jerome is
39:30hiddenness as far as like if some time
39:33now like a radio tower here and there
39:34it's knocked out everything okay then
39:37you said you tried earlier that you
39:38tried to call SHINee and
39:40that's very like 740 texture went sub 40
39:46good morning okay and then did you ever
39:49try and call her during the day okay I'm
39:52not sure what I'm about I can't get that
39:54far on my phone now yeah go through John
39:56instead from this woman and she's not
39:59answer is when the boy smell okay and
40:02then did you call anyone else
40:08to come please turn Oh Nicole Oh like
40:12from like right after I could get over
40:14yeah so like at 12:12 penitentiary earth
40:19I called her again and 12 texture again
40:22my hey call me and then at 12 tenants
40:26with Nicole showed up at the house so I
40:28got I got a alert saying the doorbell
40:31detected the visitor and that's when I
40:33called her about 12 tonight okay what's
40:35going on and she said that yoga hasn't
40:37got hold of anybody or - Anton anybody
40:40for today mm-hmm
40:43so she got home so okay I actually like
40:46I just like looking at that she said the
40:48house or the shoes you laying next to
40:51the door and the car was building right
40:54now weird this use some way to bring up
40:56this huge thing what does you could see
40:58him sit right there
40:59doesn't what does nothing once like she
41:01was wearing igus and the airport oh yeah
41:06those when she wears she had a little
41:08flip-flops estuaries but those nothing
41:10doesn't monster by award from the
41:11airport because we're sitting next to
41:13the door did you find any other shoes
41:15machine
41:16she had ultra closet he wouldn't know
41:18there are some a toes up so all I
41:25maybe you called Primrose yeah matter
41:32what time that was bad the kids are
41:33there okay
41:34for any other conversation you have with
41:36them I so like if the that we're more
41:40likely going to be putting the house up
41:41for sale and that like I'm not sure if
41:44they're going to be like like this it
41:46might not be an area anymore about one
41:48of the kids is back on the waiting list
41:49if they're not going to be there sure um
41:51I know like in our daycare they charge
41:55on Monday for a week how Primrose works
41:57how do they do it
41:59yeah it's like that was gonna be their
42:00first day back okay yeah and they want
42:02to charge your car to rubber on her
42:04buttocks all right when they show them
42:06yeah okay okay so you were just giving
42:09the lads up yeah and did you already
42:11know that they weren't going to be there
42:12no it's like halogens to see like if
42:14they were there not because she said she
42:15was gonna take the kids to a friend's
42:16house mm-hmm
42:17I'm just like okay that's what I call it
42:19like maybe like maybe she ended up
42:21taking them there now no any other phone
42:26calls to anyone else
42:31other than the goal like which is all
42:33about that's pretty much it yeah and
42:38then you can get a liver Nicole fair and
42:40then that starts a whole process where
42:42you want to drive at home alright did
42:45you call anyone on the way home or call
42:46anyone that's on the way home I called
42:48lube alumno like a I'm going home and
42:51can't find Shannon or the kids don't
42:53know where that are he's okay this this
42:56I'm handing you like a pretty cool box
42:58that's pretty new understanding
43:02interesting um okay so what you're
43:05driving home your column Lou just call
43:08anyone else texts anyone else what route
43:11did you take to get home Oh same one
43:15like i-76 west and then fifty-two west
43:21and then to go that's pretty much seven
43:24652 let's dig into this area this branch
43:28or whatever they
43:29huge like can be like Milo that my own
43:32spy I mean we're not the only operator
43:36out there there's like verdad there's
43:38Lost Creek there's figure area that
43:41you're responsible for where the wells
43:43are like so that one our square mileage
43:49maybe 10 to 20 square miles like as far
43:53as with goose I did not have good like
43:55yeah it is huge and that would be just
43:59your responsibility I thought our areas
44:02that's Cody drought okay so we have six
44:07round operators now have individual
44:09routes so whatever you nomination lands
44:11behind up cattle cattle lots and lots of
44:15cattle sheep and lots of like little
44:18irritation like a spots where they eat
44:21and trees and some flowers and locks on
44:25the car driving off the wells they're
44:27actually a rotation as me or as full
44:30sometimes is a road on the calendar I
44:33think I think it's really soft and
44:35really like like shake your truck type
44:38thing for your troubles
44:42to work truck don't are you allowed to
44:45have other people in your trunk like as
44:47far civilian like your wife your kids
44:49and I'd be like oh they they played in
44:51my truck a few times because I was
44:52daddy's truck you know like they played
44:54in there a few times and whatnot
44:55what about she dances you ever ridden in
44:57your truck before not to work but she's
44:59been at it before just like to seem like
45:02what all I had in there and everything
45:04like that would I take to work stuff
45:05like that I guess she's been there
45:06before okay well like we are proud
45:09without that I take civilian like places
45:11and about other running our employees or
45:13like when I have a training and stuff
45:15like that like they ride with me yeah so
45:22you get home and I'm - you have you open
45:24the garage door and go through the house
45:27tell me all the things that seemed odd
45:28about the way the house was so odd it
45:32was over half of the car being in there
45:35with car seats out loud the purse wallet
45:40still being there from all the phones a
45:43big thing for me that's still there do
45:45you mean like she was pretty attached to
45:47her phone
45:47yram I know she is
45:49very fast to it
45:54and kids mention
45:57those the objects what about her - she
45:59mentioned that she would take only what
46:02you take regularly Zima tricks and that
46:06was not there I could mention she had
46:08her purse was for Naja not imitrex I
46:11wanted in the church for migraines and I
46:14was going that was not her first like
46:16the one that they say I was in for they
46:18thought was interest no it was like for
46:20nhadra once I read it okay as far as do
46:23you think it coming in her luggage she
46:25was there much but it would've been her
46:29purse did you talk to her luggage not
46:32good for clues I didn't go through a
46:34live Egypt but like there her enjoy such
46:38sex I have that like know what in hands
46:42grasped each of the kids beds were like
46:45pulled back or how were the kids beds
46:47they weren't made they weren't me know
46:49okay is that normal
46:51pretty normal for the morning yeah I
46:53think because a kid that just like throw
46:55everything and display
46:57what was your event what I didn't look
46:58like how the sheets were off of it tell
47:01me about that thank most the time when
47:03she gets out of like she she gets home
47:05from like a flight or something she gets
47:07in the bed lights in therefore if she's
47:08gonna wash the sheets the next day
47:10that's what I thought when I got home
47:12does she has woke up and yeah she was
47:15yeah yeah okay are though she's in on
47:20the bed now or no oh thanks oh that I
47:24fell in the piles or whatever like where
47:26she put them I left like I watched I
47:30watched everything I put a different
47:32sheet on there so where does she
47:35you washed those sheets did you put them
47:37away in the closet or something oh I
47:40should either be like right on the pile
47:43on the ground or something like that
47:44right there in the bedroom yeah okay so
47:47I you wash the sheets over on the bed or
47:49you left them there just put on new
47:51shoes so I'll put on me like kaya I
47:53watched those sheets I wash the sheets
47:56are on there and they should still be in
47:58the room how clean like yeah in a pile
48:00yeah okay yeah but I feel like one
48:04dollar in the closet in there ones that
48:08were hard to clean like I already
48:09thought I wanted to just make the bed
48:10anyways
48:11okay so the beds made Mount Koya
48:13definite so when you shut down the bed
48:16Monday night and maybe she's from you
48:19change it in or so Monday yeah like I
48:22went I've slept every Monday night yeah
48:23there's new sheets on there okay because
48:25the bed was already stripped yeah not in
48:27anything else that was I think said
48:30there were some things missing from the
48:31kids his rooms for their place
48:34Yankees what do you think about that
48:37that's what they kids always take with
48:39them like even to go like yeah like
48:42everyone it's like like species you want
48:45that Yankee blanket and Bella like wants
48:47her blankie especially if she feels like
48:50like you know we tell her like like
48:52leave at the house while she's getting
48:53old enough but why don't I give you one
48:56target or run errands like are they
48:58taking their shots with them palatable
49:00most PC definitely will have that empty
49:02blanket and sometimes she wants her
49:04little fat like that dog that like makes
49:06cooing sounds and whatnot okay and
49:09that's gone yes
49:11yeah but Bella's cat fuller she has
49:14attached to the cat and she wants to the
49:17dog yeah not much
49:21okay anything else missing weird
49:27although um but the damage that they
49:29were in that you put them in uh finish
49:31at the nightgowns or whatever are those
49:33that the house I didn't see those I mean
49:35there's still like there's like very
49:37laundry in there from the kids okay so
49:40like I didn't see those and per se I
49:42think you know there's there's some
49:44nightgowns in there but see those
49:46not the ones I described to you okay um
49:51so obviously you know you've had a lot
49:54of time to think about my stuff and
49:56talking to me like what are your
49:59thoughts like what do you thinking right
50:00now as far as you know what's happening
50:03or thank you like the first day I
50:06thought she was with somebody I thought
50:09you know like you know she's at a
50:11friend's house and just be compressing
50:14whatnot
50:15but I now like that for like yesterday
50:19and now today it's I feel like she's not
50:23safe
50:23so like either she is in trouble or
50:26somebody is hurt her the kids and we
50:29can't find them we don't know where they
50:30are so if I ask you on the polygraph
50:33test if you physically caused sin and
50:37disappearance can you patch that
50:40what do you think I mean by that when
50:42I'm asking if you physically caused
50:44Sheen and disappearance if I does that
50:47mean to you if you ask me that like I
50:50feel like you're asking me did I have
50:53anything to do with it myself or did I
50:55help somebody do it and I had no part in
50:58any of that
50:59I know it's totally awful to think about
51:02but what are ways because I need to make
51:05sure that you know what I'm talking
51:06about where are ways that you can make
51:08someone disappear I mean like as you
51:14talk about like what I've seen like on
51:16the movies or like how you like how
51:18people if you read about other people
51:21I mean hire somebody like hit me yeah I
51:25mean I mean yeah I'm just being honest
51:27that's what I want that's what I want I
51:29want you to go through all of these
51:30scenarios in your head because I want
51:32you to know for sure what I'm talking
51:34about when I say that you know asking
51:36you if you physically caused her
51:37disappearance okay like you'd hire
51:39somebody or you have a somebody know
51:43that that would do it I mean it's like I
51:47don't mean it's hard question I did
51:49another question to answer
51:51right because I didn't I'd have nothing
51:55to do with this disappearing like I
51:56don't even want to think about like [ __ ]
52:00this if you're asking me like how I
52:01would do it like I know anyone like I
52:04would anyone
52:05someone else with disappearance I mean
52:07you would I said like my kind of chilly
52:12disappearance by murdering them
52:14Joe three without yes so what different
52:16physical wage could you cause someone's
52:18disappearance through you could stab
52:21someone guy someone should someone him
52:25with a blunt object
52:27um well so that I mean I use a weapon
52:34like gun or knife I mean you could
52:45it's neither someone or someone its
52:50strangle someone Hanks and let me know
52:52you didn't all that kind of things I
52:54mean it's hard to you to think about
52:56that kind of stuff right now so you
52:58could strangle someone you could drown
53:00someone yep it shocks on one death could
53:04burn someone alive revelation you go
53:15stars like
53:18lure them into a trap I guess so what do
53:22you mean with like you know like have
53:24somebody waiting like around the corner
53:26and they know I actually happen to by
53:29car out mean something like that sure
53:34like I almost around same thing there
53:37but um you could kidnap them and take
53:41them and lock them up in a basement
53:44somewhere or you know what I mean they
53:46they could still be alive but you think
53:48you're like torturing you can like take
53:51them somewhere toward to them and let
53:53them sit there without food or water or
53:55even kidnap them and leave them
53:57somewhere that they are you know they're
54:00not being tortured yeah just that they
54:03can't get out and you want to either
54:05it disappears because you not allowed
54:08them to come back into society and have
54:11people see them does that make sense
54:13what other ways could you make someone
54:15disappear poison
54:23um
54:35oh geez I know
54:42like I'm actually saying out here and
54:44said that which one I can beat somebody
54:47I guess to the toilet and like to the
54:49point where they're unconscious and
54:51they're in a coma sure um so if I asked
54:58you that question of the test Chris are
55:00you have any issue with that by
55:02physically typing showing original words
55:05yeah like that would be a little bit
55:07college disappear okay I know I can
55:09definitely like I can pass I mean odd
55:11thank you more than you could kidnap and
55:13get to get to another country you could
55:14you know barium in your backyard you
55:17would do a million things so as far as
55:19trying to conceal them Yeah right does
55:23that no one could find them yes because
55:24at this point she's gone and the girls
55:27are gone like we don't know where
55:28they're at right so we're assuming the
55:33worst but hoping the best you know what
55:35I mean is that your
55:37that's like to you so if I asked you
55:39that question is specifically caused her
55:41disappearance so when I say physically
55:44const i say it that way because i don't
55:46want you to feel everyone has guilt
55:48right and i don't want you to feel like
55:50you know what i
55:53I told her I didn't want to be with her
55:55anymore so I probably cost her
55:57disappearance because she obviously took
55:59off that the girls and because of what I
56:01told her that I knew my journey what's
56:03that's like so hundred jobs right now
56:05right so when I ask you the question on
56:07the test I'm not asking you about guilt
56:09I'm not asking you about did you make
56:11her feel so horrible that she ended up
56:12leaving I'm saying that you were the one
56:15that physically caused her to disappear
56:17so either by murder kidnapping you know
56:20all those other thing
56:21went through okay don't you owe me a
56:23list all those like no no I'm going to
56:26say no that question all right when I
56:28ask you a few physically concha man's
56:29disappearance your answer should be what
56:32oh right
56:33so do you have any issues with that at
56:35all and have any question about what I
56:36would mean when I was now that was my
56:38total life I just like going through all
56:40those that's a lot to really think about
56:43right like trying to figure out like how
56:47did you those it's a lot but it's very
56:51simple because if you didn't have
56:52anything to do for the good with her
56:54disappearance
56:54maybe you pissed her off to the point
56:56that she ended up taking off with the
56:58kids or maybe she became suicidal and
57:00you know offed herself somewhere that we
57:03just haven't found her yet like I feel
57:04like emotionally responsible but I
57:06didn't physically hurt her exactly as it
57:08is right and that's what that's what I
57:10want to ask you about okay just
57:13physically cause if your disappeared or
57:15ever you were the one directly I'm gonna
57:17ask you about Shannon okay I think we
57:19can all assume that wherever she managed
57:22the little girl's heart yeah so I'm just
57:25going to ask you about you man and she's
57:26blue the kids with it though right
57:28absolutely Majid's with it though to
57:30everything she's got like because like
57:32when the FBI tabasco said he asked about
57:34a lot about the kids but like he was
57:36looping Shannon with
57:38- sure so know about Shannon okay I'm
57:40going to ask you this test about Shannon
57:42okay okay
57:43like I said obviously the message is we
57:45can kind of assume that they're all
57:47together
57:48hold it somewhere but on that accurate
57:51especially north
57:52specifically okay the next question I
57:54was going to ask you was are you lying
57:57about the last time you saw her
57:58no I want to describe the logic of each
58:02our last time I saw her she was in bed
58:04after I talked to her okay alive
58:07Oh laying in bed like she just
58:10physically laid in bed okay was she
58:12crying feel what she's saying anything
58:14or she she just told me she was going to
58:16go to a friend's house with the kids to
58:18be back later and that was the last time
58:20I saw so describe what she looked like
58:22was she like on her back on her side
58:24under sign on her breast ahead could you
58:27see her face yes okay what is her face
58:29was like shed mascara let's kind of run
58:31it down a little bit okay and then she
58:35didn't take her makeup off before she
58:36went to bed that night okay others
58:37Leaguers to be your knowledge that is
58:41that's a lot that's our time you would
58:43have seen her yes and that's what my
58:45thought kids been the monitor as it was
58:47school electrography if someone you know
58:49you know we have to talk about
58:51workstation area you know if for some
58:54reason you murdered her that would not
58:57have been
58:58which are bothering with a group okay
59:00photography she's on the house and if
59:02she got murdered in the house she
59:04actually got out of the house somehow
59:05you know what I mean so at some point
59:07the person if they did hurt her or
59:09murder her they would have saw her again
59:12so it's the Shoei laying in the bed
59:14crying or you know with her mascara
59:16running down or whatever do you agree
59:17with that I give up okay the last
59:20question I want to ask you is if you
59:22know where she man is now under not okay
59:24obviously you know you've talked to the
59:27police you've helped with the missing
59:29person investigation so this would be
59:31more like you know maybe she did call
59:34you you know a couple nights ago like
59:36dude just don't tell them like I just
59:38can't handle this right now I just need
59:39to get away like just you know keep it
59:41on the down-low
59:42whatever maybe she told you that maybe
59:44if you were a person that murdered her
59:47you obviously dumped her body somewhere
59:49or had someone else help you dump her
59:50body you would know where that site was
59:53or where that place looks does that make
59:55sense now it's the last thing you
59:56charter which one she was laying in bed
59:58when she was alive and kind of having
1:00:00makeup run down her face obviously that
1:00:03would be you wouldn't know where she is
1:00:05right because obviously right now we
1:00:06can't
1:00:07that make sense to you to all those
1:00:09questions make sense to you so what what
1:00:12would you answer to all of those
1:00:13questions I had nothing to do with
1:00:16what's going on right now I did not
1:00:18physically harm her I mean I did last
1:00:22time I saw her was in bed letting on her
1:00:26side with some mascara on her face after
1:00:29we had a conversation and I do not know
1:00:33where she is right now those yes so you
1:00:38can a alone perfectly um who do you
1:00:42think would have her chin and the girls
1:00:44home do you think would have done
1:00:46something to them
1:00:47honestly like we've exhausted like every
1:00:50option that we have of people that know
1:00:52like even if it's kind of crazy like
1:00:54what is your one go to like thought
1:00:57about what could have happened that it's
1:01:02somebody I don't know and I don't know
1:01:04who they are or what they're about and
1:01:06that they'd have her and the kids and
1:01:08that I'm not safe right now
1:01:10and that they've been physically hurt so
1:01:15I'm sure
1:01:17and I have to expect the worst and hope
1:01:19for the best if we do end up finding
1:01:23your wife and your two girls murdered
1:01:25what do you think should happen to that
1:01:27person that would have done that first
1:01:32possible thing
1:01:36see they're going to be like life in
1:01:38prison or the death penalty isn't it
1:01:39that's the only two things you really
1:01:41can do that's the only thing really is
1:01:45that you're talented you have all right
1:01:48this one people are like launched and
1:01:49that person's really screwed up and
1:01:50maybe they deserve some you know I think
1:01:55not because it's my my wife and my kids
1:01:58like from a neutral perspective and said
1:02:01be different that's my wife and kids
1:02:06do you know anything else about I'm sure
1:02:09anything you haven't told detectives
1:02:10that you wanna share that's today I mean
1:02:15exhausted every option of trying to
1:02:17reach out to friends and family that may
1:02:19have seen her heard from her so it's
1:02:23like we have like nothing really else to
1:02:27like go off of right now as far as like
1:02:29who could have her or where she could be
1:02:38I'm gonna have you take a bathroom break
1:02:39in here quite a while I put the idea Mon
1:02:42as well and let me find out which
1:02:45bathroom you're supposed to use
1:02:46hopefully one of them will come in here
1:02:48and help us firm figure out which
1:02:50bathroom and then we're going to come
1:02:51back in here and then again I tell you
1:02:53how why the polygraph works and we're
1:02:54just going to get kind of into the
1:02:55testing you know that's cool with you
1:02:57okay if you already know what the
1:02:58questions are that I care about well
1:03:00okay they're actually make sure you can
1:03:03direct you to the bathroom
1:03:15- I'll see you out the lobby and I'll
1:03:18try to sit right there real quick and
1:03:19then I'll congratulate us here how you
1:03:21take a look you whatever some of your
1:03:24pockets
1:03:24Wow
1:08:16[Music]
1:08:19I'll go
1:09:24Catering oh good maybe 100 maybe okay do
1:09:34you want to melt do oh no no I'll do it
1:09:36I'm feeling so now that like years well
1:09:41don't start now
1:09:42all right you have any bad habits
1:09:47uh I used to like toriel's and so ever
1:09:49my my go-to during the pregnancy
1:09:52yeah what kind of somebody's you like
1:09:55mom do you see as long as everyone work
1:09:59makes fun of me for drinking it oh my
1:10:02favorite like the Baja blast I'll do
1:10:04like that don't they still happen to
1:10:07talk about about that's where it was
1:10:10let's take a Cydia not knew about how
1:10:13glasses might go to logic over the
1:10:17questions they're gonna be on the test
1:10:18is that cool with you you know first
1:10:19thing you know the works at Ellen
1:10:21questions and there's no surprises
1:10:23that kind of stuff okay remember what my
1:10:25love like breathe like their innocence
1:10:27yeah I want to find all that to go it's
1:10:30your aren't you still the person he
1:10:32shall have functions that have to go on
1:10:34for you to be alive so yes you have to
1:10:37be able to breathe and we just don't
1:10:39want you to move a bunch there's a desk
1:10:41and I'll explain that to you is for very
1:10:43short periods of time and I have no
1:10:45doubt being a healthy guy like you are
1:10:47that you'll let them problem doing that
1:10:48okay
1:10:57I had like 15 year old boys up to like
1:11:00in five year old men that are able to
1:11:02sit still just during the polygraph so
1:11:04all right I've no doubt someone like you
1:11:06is more than able to sit still okay so
1:11:11we're going to go over the questions are
1:11:12any on the test like I said on there for
1:11:13you every single question there's not a
1:11:15question I'm just going to add you know
1:11:17for the thrill event or anything like
1:11:18that you know all the work so the first
1:11:21question is going to be on the test it's
1:11:22going to be regarding Shannon's
1:11:23disappearance do you intend to answer
1:11:25all the questions truthfully yes and
1:11:29you're only going to get to answer yes
1:11:30or no to these questions okay
1:11:32oh so it's easy cuz you know you
1:11:36there should be no questioning your mind
1:11:38whether you need to answer yes or no to
1:11:39the questions okay so the first relevant
1:11:43question that I'm going to ask that we
1:11:45had already gone over it's going to be
1:11:46teaching physically cause your name's
1:11:48disappearance no are you lying about the
1:11:52last time you shot you saw Shannon
1:11:54no I'm saying her name right yes thank
1:11:57you
1:11:57and then do you know where Shannon is
1:12:00okay so those were the three that we'd
1:12:02already discussed before right so
1:12:04physically causing someone's
1:12:05disappearances either you know obviously
1:12:08harming them to the point where they you
1:12:10know are either dead or attend to longer
1:12:12functional you know maybe you left them
1:12:14for dead you know in some field
1:12:16somewhere or something like that so
1:12:18maybe they weren't actually deceased but
1:12:20you know that you would have been the
1:12:22cause of their disappearance okay
1:12:24so that makes my shoes okay and then
1:12:26obviously lying with left forearm that
1:12:29would be because maybe you helped
1:12:31someone or you did it yourself or
1:12:33something like that and then you hoped
1:12:34dispose of them or put them somewhere
1:12:36lock the lock somewhere or whatever okay
1:12:38and then knowing where she is now again
1:12:43that would be there some kind of direct
1:12:44knowledge like you either side you did
1:12:46it you know where you put them or
1:12:48something told you where they are
1:12:50something like that or if [ __ ] Ian
1:12:51called you and shut the store I'm at but
1:12:53you haven't told the police that that
1:12:55okay that make sense objection okay
1:12:59you're going to be taking what's called
1:13:01a directed live polygraph so what that
1:13:03means is they're going to be test
1:13:04questions on the test where I want you
1:13:06to lie because I want to see what your
1:13:09body looks like when you tell a lie on
1:13:11the temptress okay I know it seems kind
1:13:12of weird but you're going to know which
1:13:14questions these are they're going to be
1:13:15easy to answer so it's going to be like
1:13:17they're all going to start with before
1:13:192018 so this first one is before 2018
1:13:23did you ever lose your temper with
1:13:25someone you cared about we've all lost
1:13:27our temper which I'm always scared about
1:13:29in our life so I want you to think about
1:13:31you want to tell me what it is but I
1:13:33want you to actually have that moment in
1:13:35your mind when you actually lost your
1:13:37temper with someone you cared about
1:13:39whether positioning a mother with your
1:13:41parents whether is with your children I
1:13:43mean it could be with anyone but it was
1:13:45your man to say no to that one yes
1:13:48you're going to lie to that question
1:13:49since we all have lots of our temper
1:13:51with someone we cared about in the
1:13:52before so I'm going to say before 2018
1:13:55did you ever lose your temper with
1:13:56someone you cared about you're gonna say
1:13:58no because you're telling us why awesome
1:14:01the next one of those four there's only
1:14:04three of those the next one's going to
1:14:05be before 2018 remember it's all going
1:14:07to started with that before 2018 who
1:14:10ever hear that I detest that is your
1:14:11clue to go crap this is a question I
1:14:13have to lie to on the test okay so this
1:14:16one's going to be before 2018 did you
1:14:18ever say anything out of anger to a
1:14:20loved one it's going to be well we've
1:14:24also something out of anger to a loved
1:14:25one but I want you to take a minute and
1:14:27actually think of a time when you've
1:14:29actually said something out of anger to
1:14:31a loved one you have to have been in
1:14:33your head yeah okay I want you to
1:14:37actually think of that when you answer
1:14:39this question on the test okay so again
1:14:42before 2018 did you ever see anything
1:14:44out of anger to a loved one you're going
1:14:45to say how you're telling us the last
1:14:49one is before 2018 have you ever wanted
1:14:51to hurt someone to be even with them not
1:14:54that you actually hurt them but that
1:14:56maybe they pissed you off so bad you
1:14:58know that you were like oh such that guy
1:15:00in the face right now or you know
1:15:01whatever not that you actually ended up
1:15:03even hurting anyone but that you ever
1:15:05thought about hurting someone to get
1:15:06even with them so I want you to take a
1:15:08moment and think about our time and just
1:15:12make sure that you do have something in
1:15:13your head
1:15:19got it so when I ask you to course on
1:15:21the touch before 2018 have you ever
1:15:24wanted to hurt someone to be even with
1:15:25them you're going to say no because
1:15:27you're telling us why awesome the next
1:15:30questions are that are what we call no
1:15:32truth questions they're going to be
1:15:34really easy to enter so it's going to be
1:15:35is your first name Christopher yes good
1:15:39were you born in 1985 yes are you now in
1:15:42the state of Colorado yes are you now
1:15:44sitting down yes otherwise I'm in this
1:15:47room yes do you understand that I will
1:15:50only ask you the questions we have
1:15:52discussed that's the last question okay
1:15:55so we just went through every single
1:15:56question on the test okay so the only
1:15:59questions that you'll hear come out of
1:16:01my mouth okay so let me go through those
1:16:03one more time and you just say yes or no
1:16:04how you would answer them on the test
1:16:06okay regarding Shannon's disappearance
1:16:10do you intend to answer all the
1:16:12questions truthfully yes did you
1:16:15physically caution and disappearance no
1:16:17are you lying about the last time you
1:16:20saw Shannon no do you know where Shannon
1:16:23is now no and before 2018 did you ever
1:16:28lose your temper with someone you cared
1:16:29about
1:16:30no before 2018 did you ever see anything
1:16:34out of anger to a loved one no a fortune
1:16:38as an 18 have you ever wanted to hurt
1:16:40someone to get you
1:16:41with them know your first name
1:16:43Christopher yes
1:16:45were you born in 1985 yes are you now in
1:16:49the state of Colorado yes are you now
1:16:52shutting down yes
1:16:54are the lights out in this room yes do
1:16:57you understand that I only ask you the
1:16:59questions that we have discussed yes
1:17:01okay that's it any of those questions
1:17:04give you any heartburn or make you go
1:17:06wow I was like my arts cuz I'm still
1:17:11like dirt like is this whole like prank
1:17:14right and this is not like process that
1:17:17where you shouldn't be nervous so that
1:17:19is to be expected
1:17:20ago we find it like I told you before
1:17:22that's not gonna con you to fail a test
1:17:24or anything like that confirm no one
1:17:25would take the test this that's what it
1:17:27went off of okay okay that's just so
1:17:30what I feel right now it's like I don't
1:17:33know like did you do any research on
1:17:34polygraph no I know all I know is like
1:17:39when I watch it on TV I like to use like
1:17:41you know this right here and then like
1:17:44that that was like I just doze off your
1:17:47heart rate or what what is the deal yeah
1:17:50I know I explained all those components
1:17:51I'm going to probably so they're like I
1:17:53mean I came in here my heart coming to
1:17:55my Familia mouth a minute and it's that
1:17:57the soft yeah so and you'll notice too
1:18:00that the second the second I put all the
1:18:05components on you that's when it really
1:18:07feels like oh [ __ ] just got real
1:18:09like that's just everyone has that oh
1:18:11[ __ ] moment right when everything gets
1:18:13attached because you're like oh crap
1:18:16so I promise I I will get you through
1:18:19this okay just one sec
1:18:27have you ever been pulled over before
1:18:30yes okay
1:18:32I don't know Stang oh oh I bet you're
1:18:35pulled over a lot mm rifle yes oh good
1:18:39so I got explained polygraph in a way
1:18:41that makes the most sense to me so I'm
1:18:42just extremely simple sense to other
1:18:44people okay
1:18:45so just bear with me I like to ask
1:18:47people about a time that they got pulled
1:18:50over you know and how they felt when
1:18:53they realized they were getting pulled
1:18:54over by the police you know that moment
1:18:56when you're pressing a hill you see a
1:18:58cop on the side of the road or I'm going
1:19:01to go around a corner that you cop there
1:19:02or all of a sudden you see brings the
1:19:04flashing lights you move everywhere and
1:19:06I usually ask you um like just describe
1:19:07how you felt when you realize you're
1:19:08getting pulled over by the police it's
1:19:10kind of right for it right now if so you
1:19:12know most people have the heart beating
1:19:14out of the chance they kind of start
1:19:15hyperventilating some people get mad and
1:19:17people get sad well all the things are
1:19:20happening inside your body when you
1:19:21realize you're getting pulled over by
1:19:22the police are actually being regulated
1:19:24by your autonomic nervous system so
1:19:26excuse me
1:19:28you kind of sound like automatic that's
1:19:29basically what it is whenever your brain
1:19:31senses that you're stressful or
1:19:32threatening situation it automatically
1:19:34keeps ending
1:19:36changes inside your body because it
1:19:38thinks it needs down keeps you alive
1:19:39okay if you heard a fight flight or
1:19:41freeze before so as you can think Chris
1:19:44you're walking in the woods you hear a
1:19:45bear growl you're going to fight the
1:19:46bear you afraid you're going to run away
1:19:48by your brain going you're no real over
1:19:50it now you can't really process what's
1:19:51happening so I'm going to give you three
1:19:53options to help keep you alive okay so a
1:19:56lot of people are like what the hell
1:19:57does that have to do with telling a lie
1:19:58well I'm sure you would agree from a
1:20:00very young age your father taught you
1:20:02you know that's wrong to lie cheat or
1:20:05steal would you agree with that and that
1:20:07there's consequences when you lie to
1:20:09your skill would you agree with that yes
1:20:11so if I ask you a question Chris and I
1:20:13say did you do whatever and the word no
1:20:15comes out of your mouth your brain will
1:20:17automatically sense that successful or
1:20:19threatening situation because it knows
1:20:21our consequences with that lying just
1:20:23told severity of it it really doesn't
1:20:25matter to your brain I mean it you could
1:20:27get grounded Friday night or you could
1:20:28for the rest of your life in prison
1:20:30your brain early to generally
1:20:31differentiate between the severity of
1:20:33the consequence it just knows holy cow
1:20:34you told a lie there's consequences with
1:20:37those lies and it's partial same
1:20:39physiological changes inside your body
1:20:40okay the same things that were happening
1:20:42when you heard the bare ground would the
1:20:43same things that were happening when you
1:20:45realized you were getting pulled over by
1:20:46the police okay so so the awesome thing
1:20:48about pirate is I need to measure what's
1:20:50going on inside your body when you're
1:20:52answering questions on the test
1:20:53okay and I do that by attaching these
1:20:55components to you okay
1:20:57and I'll play those here in just a
1:20:59minute and I've already told you on the
1:21:01touch like you're gonna have questions
1:21:02on the test where I know you're telling
1:21:04the truth like is your name first name
1:21:06Christopher and I have questions on the
1:21:08test where I know you're telling a lie
1:21:09about hurting ever seen anything hurt a
1:21:12loved one or you know those types of
1:21:13questions so I get to see what your body
1:21:16looks like on the inside I know you're
1:21:17telling a truth and I know you're
1:21:19telling a lie and then I get to compare
1:21:21that to the relevant questions about the
1:21:22if you physically cause your hands
1:21:25disappearance
1:21:26if you are you might have a blessing
1:21:28sorry if you know where she is now
1:21:29and I went to compare those two those
1:21:31questions that make such Q and I feel
1:21:33like I felt Alice's the heartbeat thing
1:21:37that's the only thing I thought it was
1:21:38men met Rodolfo you know I'm just saying
1:21:40you know like a lot of people are like
1:21:41well my heart's beating out of my chest
1:21:43you are your own baseline like I'm not
1:21:46comparing you against the guy I did last
1:21:48week or you know someone I did ten
1:21:51months ago so your heartbeat is up here
1:21:55that's just where you're at like that's
1:21:57your baseline for me today okay and then
1:21:59when you react you're just going to
1:22:01react up here someone who's a little
1:22:02more calm or you know maybe they you
1:22:05know they're don't be
1:22:06our types are not beating as fast
1:22:07they're going to be their baselines
1:22:09maybe going to be down here but they're
1:22:10going to have that same reaction does
1:22:12that make sense so much you're both
1:22:13going to have the same reaction you're
1:22:15just going to have different baselines
1:22:16okay so I'm actually the component ever
1:22:19putting their arms I think it makes the
1:22:20most sense but I do need to kind of move
1:22:22your chair a little bit and I'm going to
1:22:23actually have you can we set these down
1:22:27on the floor like that is that cool with
1:22:30your water just a little bit just
1:22:34because I'm going to put your arm up
1:22:35here and you can have a feedback so the
1:22:43first thing that we're going to put on
1:22:44Chris is these are called Mubarak to
1:22:49just blue ones going to go kind of down
1:22:51by your belly the silver one goes up a
1:22:53little higher underneath your armpit
1:22:55okay this you're going to measure
1:22:56involuntary movements in your chest
1:22:57cavity during the test okay so what I
1:22:59need to do is put your hands together
1:23:00like a dive in swimming pool put your
1:23:03wrists on top of your head I'll pop your
1:23:05head okay and then just lean forward
1:23:07tightly so your backs off the back of
1:23:09the chair perfect
1:23:12the other thing if anytime like there's
1:23:18still to tie or whatever just let me
1:23:20know okay sits and I can adjust it for
1:23:23you pretty skinny though want to make
1:23:26sure it's like I'll fall down too far
1:23:28after hands up I'm going to do everyone
1:23:44until it gets to this person Phil okay
1:23:46folder all right the next thing we use
1:23:54um you put your hands or I'm sorry curse
1:23:57with a blood pressure cuff
1:23:58um this is the same kind of lush blood
1:24:01pressure cuff you would find in a
1:24:02doctor's office how to they're trying to
1:24:04get your blood pressure when you're in I
1:24:05use this to measure the rate of blood
1:24:07flow through your body during the test
1:24:09it was actually found it's much more and
1:24:12we get a much better reading if we've
1:24:13been on your calf instead of your arms
1:24:15are you okay if you put on your cap so
1:24:18just go and put that leg straight up in
1:24:20the air for me
1:24:32okay go ahead and put down the only
1:24:33thing about doing it on the café's we
1:24:35just have to make sure we don't step on
1:24:37it and it doesn't rub against for back
1:24:38which I think you'll be fine
1:24:39just make sure we don't step on the cord
1:24:41okay and then the last thing we use
1:24:44these are called electrodermal activity
1:24:46activity place in layman's terms are
1:24:48just going to measure your slight lab
1:24:50activity during the test okay that's why
1:24:53I need your or maybe we should screw you
1:24:59back just a tad so okay so I'm just
1:25:06protecting yourself for me you can put
1:25:10them up just a little bit there you
1:25:17did you know we use me okay oh you
1:25:19there's all right
1:25:21if usually all people shade sometimes
1:25:24we'll both put blood pressure cuff and
1:25:29with these like during the test the
1:25:32important thing about those is that we
1:25:34just want to just kind of put your hand
1:25:36kind of dead on the table we don't want
1:25:38to push down we don't want to pull up
1:25:39anything like that through all yours
1:25:41you're just going to be completely flat
1:25:42on the table and just panel at your arm
1:25:44go limp and your
1:25:45okay during the testing order right now
1:25:48you can fool around you can do what you
1:25:50put it in your lap whatever it's not
1:25:52going to hurt it if you want super water
1:26:03most of the bat for the what's the bat
1:26:06after the one oh sorry
1:26:08and we're going to decide how much of
1:26:10motion syndrome at what that does is
1:26:13obviously detect motion and then
1:26:15movement in your body so that's how
1:26:17important it will be that you remain
1:26:19completely still during the testing if
1:26:21you move your little toe I mean yeah you
1:26:23know it's lifting weights up everything
1:26:25happens from your core you move your
1:26:27little toe obviously it's going to
1:26:28register on my on my feet pad so it's
1:26:31very very sensitive so that's how
1:26:33important it be that you
1:26:34completely still to the part of the most
1:26:37cameras I'm really all over this yeah
1:26:42just file and you can get it so we're
1:26:44going to go over uh Tecna dressed like
1:26:46this like I can read not an area notice
1:26:48area those what my tears my hands can
1:26:51actually try not to suck in I love it
1:26:56there we go is that your tiny powder
1:27:06it's lighter but far by no no we're good
1:27:12okay this is this type is good so we're
1:27:17going to go over a pre touch now and
1:27:19then actually how I need you to stay
1:27:21still and all that and then we get into
1:27:22the actual texting okay so this is what
1:27:25we call a directed by practice test okay
1:27:28in a movie right here over here
1:27:39[Music]
1:27:40so obviously a directive a practice test
1:27:42kind of gives you a indication that I
1:27:44probably want you to lie on the practice
1:27:46section rate I don't want you to lie yet
1:27:48I will tell you what at that point that
1:27:50I want you to lie okay yes how many
1:27:53numbers you can this be to paper or
1:27:55which one's been Shane three I want you
1:27:58to write the number three online or
1:27:59anything okay person you can use your
1:28:01right or your left hand are you writing
1:28:04for Justin okay it's pretty good okay
1:28:12the last time hmm so this is the drawer
1:28:15to my practice pen so what that means is
1:28:16I'm going to ask you if you row every
1:28:19single number on this piece of paper
1:28:20okay I want you to be truthful to all
1:28:23the numbers but I want you to light when
1:28:25I asked you if you wrote the number
1:28:26three you really did right than the
1:28:28retreat but I want you to say no that
1:28:29you did not want you to lie to me okay
1:28:32so the part set regarding that number
1:28:35you're on the piece of paper did you
1:28:36write the number one no did you write
1:28:40the number two no disher's number three
1:28:45yes no no you're lying to that one you
1:28:49guys are dead right okay how are you
1:28:50dude you're right number four no did
1:28:52your ass in a row fight no okay close to
1:28:54that try that one more time okay we're
1:28:56ready the number in the newspaper did
1:28:57you write the number one no did you
1:28:59write the number two no did you write
1:29:01the number three no it's good did you
1:29:04write the number four no did your is
1:29:06number five okay so in essence you're
1:29:08saying no to every single number that I
1:29:09asked you about if you wrote but
1:29:11obviously you're lying when you say
1:29:13you've didn't right there are three
1:29:14because we just both watched you write
1:29:15the number three okay let me catch
1:29:17theater okay
1:29:19so during the trash thing I want to
1:29:20leave this right here you need to look
1:29:22in the area of this clipboard
1:29:23you can't look side to side up down
1:29:25wherever Chris wants to look you don't
1:29:27have to fixate on the number three but
1:29:29you're gonna be looking visually in this
1:29:30general area right here okay you do have
1:29:33to remain completely still
1:29:34there's no coughing belching sneezing
1:29:37sniffling anything like that during the
1:29:39test okay just breathe it let's hatch is
1:29:42breathing just yes you do breathe so it
1:29:45gives you alive yeah so you need to make
1:29:50blood of people like why didn't know how
1:29:51to be
1:29:52like statue you pretty much have to be
1:29:53still in stature like I said it's for
1:29:55very short periods of time I will if for
1:29:58some reason I have to give you an
1:29:59instruction during the test like maybe
1:30:01you're moving your little finger you
1:30:02don't even notice it tipsy it's kind of
1:30:04like a little thing that you're doing
1:30:05and you don't really realize you're
1:30:07doing it just six what ever asked you to
1:30:10fix and do not go oh my gosh I'm sorry
1:30:13you're not apologize and that move do
1:30:15not do anything I'll know already that
1:30:17you feel horrible about what you just
1:30:19did I just don't need you to acknowledge
1:30:22it okay I just need you to actually fix
1:30:23whatever I she takes like you just
1:30:25picked up your little your finger over
1:30:27there I checked up with your finger I
1:30:28don't need you to go I'm sorry you don't
1:30:32think about it there's exactly so and
1:30:34that's probably fine I'm just saying if
1:30:35I point something out like that just
1:30:37ever just stop what's doing whatever I'm
1:30:39asking you to do okay does that make
1:30:40love to you during the touch if you
1:30:43cannot look at me I will be staring at
1:30:45you just to make sure all the components
1:30:46are staying where they're supposed to
1:30:48and no it feels super creepy to have
1:30:50someone staring at you and you can't
1:30:51serve at my salon but that's just kind
1:30:53of the name of the game today okay do
1:30:56you have any questions no like I'll try
1:31:00verb 1 yeah Allah earns anything like
1:31:04this can you put your whole hand on the
1:31:07table and don't pay for you know that's
1:31:12what make sure that you didn't that way
1:31:13yeah no you're good you could just stick
1:31:16your whole hand on there so I could see
1:31:17it that'd be perfect
1:31:19there's no talking during the test the
1:31:21only talking is to do is to say yes or
1:31:23no sometimes people have a problem can
1:31:28you look at me right here you're right
1:31:30when you're like in the zone of progress
1:31:33I'm very happy Hey
1:31:34so I asked you a question and you a lot
1:31:37of people have you know an automatic
1:31:38reaction go yes
1:31:39no they move their head you know just be
1:31:42conscious about the fact that your whole
1:31:44body including your head you can be
1:31:46completely still the only movement
1:31:47that's actually going to happen from
1:31:48your body's your mouth to open if they
1:31:50yes or no but your head should say so
1:31:53so try it so if I tell you you know if I
1:31:55have to give you instruction Lee stop
1:31:56nodding your head or something like that
1:31:57just stop and open your mouth and say
1:32:01the words instead of moving your head
1:32:02okay that make sense
1:32:03and I said I know most people don't do
1:32:06that on purpose and they're not
1:32:07realizing this they're doing
1:32:08pointed out to them so if I do that just
1:32:10you can except for me okay there is no
1:32:15air in your cuff right now I will over
1:32:17inflate your cuff when we start it will
1:32:19feel like your legs going to fall off
1:32:20for just a brief second and then I let
1:32:22almost all the air out and I pump it up
1:32:24about half way that just gets a layer
1:32:26but without for me and gives me a nice
1:32:27clean reading on the chart okay do you
1:32:31have any questions that's it so make
1:32:35sure that also that I asked the question
1:32:37in its entirety before you answer sir
1:32:42especially with the numbers people
1:32:44already know what number is coming next
1:32:45so sometimes I'll say did you write it
1:32:47or no and they cut me off there has to
1:32:49be a delineation between the time I and
1:32:51the question of the time you answer so
1:32:53just make sure that you're not doing
1:32:54that for me okay to give you one second
1:32:58I have to make a file name here
1:33:29your birthday one more time five 1585
1:33:39so I will tell you when the touch is
1:33:41going to begin and then I will tell you
1:33:42when the touch is going to end
1:33:44don't move in between that time and then
1:33:46I will tell you at the end when it's
1:33:47okay for you to move around and relax
1:33:49okay forgot so just a simile like you
1:33:52are until I tell you that it's okay okay
1:33:57so other unit trying to keep like
1:34:00stressing my fingers oh no like
1:34:03seriously just kind of like like your
1:34:05hand is on your lap just let your hand
1:34:06right there
1:34:07okay maybe loud just didn't beep it
1:34:09these flat there right I mean it just
1:34:10just like lay on the table so are they
1:34:14do they not what they not normally be
1:34:15touching well is this like at this fine
1:34:20okay and again you're going to be
1:34:23looking straight ahead we'll just make
1:34:27sure you don't move okay
1:35:08the test is about to begin please remain
1:35:10still
1:35:28regarding what number you wrote on the
1:35:30piece of paper did you write the number
1:35:32one well
1:35:55did you write the number two Oh
1:36:24did you write the number three
1:36:50did you write to number four No
1:37:16did you write the number five No
1:37:43this portion of the test is complete
1:37:45please remain still I take the
1:37:46instrument out of operation
1:37:54you can relax and feel the Gredos you
1:38:02remember to lie and everything I was
1:38:04awesome those so you are mostly a really
1:38:09bad liar
1:38:10have people told you that before like
1:38:12the Sun you tell a lie like they could
1:38:13tell like on your face that because it's
1:38:16shaking you lied to the number-3 like I
1:38:17know if you heard me cooking but and
1:38:19like turn down the sensitivity because
1:38:20your start to go off the page so that is
1:38:22what I need to see as the pellagra fir
1:38:25because that tells me that you know
1:38:26what's wrong to tell a lie and you're
1:38:29actually having a significant reaction
1:38:30when you lie so that it's awesome so
1:38:32thank you for being a lawyer so that was
1:38:35the thing that's a good thing we don't
1:38:37want to be good Liars so thank you for
1:38:39being a horrible liar
1:38:40and then just shows me that you know
1:38:42obviously on the test when we're asking
1:38:44you know significant stuff about your
1:38:45wife if you're like that it's going to
1:38:47be even ten times more info amplified so
1:38:49I appreciate that I appreciate that very
1:38:53much more than you know so that was
1:38:56awesome so let me get the questions to
1:38:58the test up if you want to take a drink
1:39:00of your water just to kind of I don't
1:39:02know you're good okay so do you have any
1:39:07other questions about the questions of
1:39:08the test okay so we're going to ask you
1:39:12such a questions we have to ask them at
1:39:14least three times so we call them charts
1:39:16so we have to do at least three charts
1:39:21we can do up to five charts depending on
1:39:23you know if you not give any good data
1:39:25for some reason or you're moving or
1:39:27something like that we could do up to
1:39:28five charts okay so hopefully moving on
1:39:30nine three that's what my hope is and I
1:39:34imagine we will get them done in three
1:39:36she'll okay and the coolest thing about
1:39:39fish is right now there's only one
1:39:41person in this room that knows what the
1:39:42truth is and in about five minutes
1:39:44there's going to be two of us so that's
1:39:46the coolest part okay
1:39:48and I don't go share that with them out
1:39:49there okay so if you you don't have any
1:39:53other questions or anything you know so
1:40:02you don't want to get [ __ ] for sure
1:40:03[Music]
1:40:19my heart rate off this off the scale all
1:40:24right until hunger training your own
1:40:26baseline you're good all right no
1:40:31problem a pen can you let me know when
1:40:34your race begin during this part of the
1:40:36test I want you to focus from the back
1:40:39of the chair okay not looking down or
1:40:42side to side anything like that
1:40:43once you go without doing that no you
1:40:46did great you but actually the clipboard
1:40:48is gone now so your area of focus is
1:40:51going to be like in this area okay yeah
1:40:53don't like focus on top so intense that
1:40:56you end up you know kind of going
1:40:59cross-eyed myself don't just make sure
1:41:01you don't do that okay it's kind of okay
1:41:03look around like right in that area
1:41:04okay do you remember those questions
1:41:06that you just have to lie to and before
1:41:102018 right you remember you're going to
1:41:12tell a lie to those questions yes okay
1:41:16now virtually never tie anything this is
1:41:18before 2018
1:41:19there's regardless before 2018 right and
1:41:22you're going to think about all right
1:41:24yeah right yeah after you after you're a
1:41:27school question yes yep perfect
1:41:30all right you ready do it
1:41:33so
1:42:13because is about to begin and remain
1:42:15still
1:42:41do you understand they only ask you the
1:42:44questions we have discussed yes
1:42:48and so
1:43:08regarding Shannon's disappearance you
1:43:10intend to answer all of the questions
1:43:11truthfully yes
1:43:36your first name Christopher yes
1:43:42spring normal
1:44:16before 2018 did you ever lose your
1:44:19temper with someone you cared about no
1:44:43did you physically call Shannon's
1:44:45disappearance well
1:45:09were you born in 1985 yes
1:45:43before 2008 team to driver see anything
1:45:46out of anger to a loved one no
1:46:11are you lying about the last time you
1:46:13saw [ __ ] out no
1:46:38are you now in the state of Colorado yes
1:47:14before 2018 have you ever wanted to hurt
1:47:17someone to be even with them No
1:47:33from
1:47:46do you know where Shannon is now No
1:48:13this portion of attention is complete
1:48:15please make selecting the instrument out
1:48:17of operations
1:48:26how do you feel horrible arms yeah
1:48:30this is trying to look at something
1:48:32without nothing better the chair thank
1:48:35you yeah yeah and it gets kind of weird
1:48:38like that's why I always tell people not
1:48:39to feel like oh that I must be trying to
1:48:44get everything still do you feel like
1:48:46you're in a good position right now
1:48:47don't you feel like it's so good
1:48:50okay just - ooh this do you have any
1:48:54issues with the questions as far as
1:48:56physically coming to dance disappearance
1:48:59there anything that you are like I don't
1:49:02like how the questions you know we're
1:49:03good maybe you know Mom if Akashi are
1:49:06you know exactly what I'm talking about
1:49:08that over language yeah quite dumb under
1:49:12okay
1:49:13and it's Sarge last time you char you
1:49:15know talk about in the bed Evelyn you
1:49:17shot our makeup coming
1:49:18face and then if you know where she is
1:49:21now having direct knowledge of where she
1:49:23would be at this moment okay okay so you
1:49:28want to take some drink water or are you
1:49:30ready to start like a charge there's
1:49:32more confined what that I do now I'm
1:49:39showing you
1:49:41[Music]
1:49:56we everything like stable yeah so good
1:50:00like that yep
1:50:09honey during this test on the lodge test
1:50:17you're breathing really cooking so
1:50:20please just show you do normal breaths
1:50:22okay we can't have deep breaths or oh
1:50:24okay sorry doesn't mean just breathe is
1:50:27normal as possible okay sure yeah little
1:50:30bit yeah
1:50:33all right you ready yeah I'm on the way
1:50:41right okay we're gonna get started -
1:50:44stay still
1:51:14the test is about to begin please remain
1:51:16still
1:51:43do you understand that I only ask you
1:51:44the questions we have discussed
1:52:09regarding the disappearance do you
1:52:11intend to answer all the questions
1:52:12truthfully yes
1:52:35or you know in the state of Colorado yes
1:53:01before 2018 have you ever wanted to hurt
1:53:04someone to get even with them No
1:53:40are you lying about the last time you
1:53:42saw Shannon
1:54:06your first name Christopher yes
1:54:32before 2018 did you ever lose your
1:54:34temper which one would you cared about
1:54:36No
1:55:11do you know where shenana is now No
1:55:38were you born in 1985 yes
1:56:14before 2018 did you ever see anything
1:56:16out of anger to a loved one No
1:56:49it's pretty normal
1:56:58did you physically polish enhance
1:56:59disappearance wrong
1:57:09[Music]
1:57:24partially the test is complete presuming
1:57:26so I take the instrument out of
1:57:28operation
1:57:35I think we should be able to getting in
1:57:38one more chart but I really need your
1:57:41breathing to be normal or like all are
1:57:43the place else all right
1:57:44okay like sometimes I feel like I'm not
1:57:47breathing nothing like that I don't want
1:57:51to do that
1:57:52yeah yeah I just needed normal
1:57:55responsible or not
1:57:56so I fluctuated okay yeah Super Bowl oh
1:58:00nothing I just want to be able to get it
1:58:02down for you and you want more chart
1:58:03instead of do three more so yeah no no
1:58:09you don't want that
1:58:19tell me when you okay I know if you're
1:58:22like a broken record but I have to ask
1:58:23you again issues with those questions on
1:58:26the test you know exactly what I mean
1:58:28when after physical economy or
1:58:30disappearance last time you saw Shannon
1:58:32and if you know where she is out okay no
1:58:37pressure drop off no okay
1:58:44so then do
1:58:48can you get started okay so
1:59:11dick break through the nose or breathe
1:59:13into the mouth matters doesn't matter
1:59:15you know
1:59:25what
1:59:44the touches of oxygen essentially I'm
1:59:46still
1:59:51we have discussed
2:00:05we normal
2:00:23regarding Shania's disappearance you
2:00:25intend to answer all the questions
2:00:26truthfully yes
2:00:49were you born in 1985 yes
2:01:18before 2018 did you ever see anything
2:01:20out of anger to a loved one yes
2:01:22No
2:01:54do you know where she managed now No
2:02:23right now in the state of Colorado yes
2:02:49before 2018 have ever wanted to hurt
2:02:52someone to get even with them No
2:03:18did you physically caution ants
2:03:20disappearance No
2:03:48Jefferson Christopher
2:03:50yes
2:04:16before 2018 because you ever lose your
2:04:19temper with someone you cared about no
2:04:54are you lying about the last time you
2:04:56saw Shannon Oh
2:05:22our summit touches complete please
2:05:23remain still I take you in for that
2:05:25operation
2:05:32did you feel
2:05:34same as all of it they have at the
2:05:37center everything alrighty
2:05:38for you it's kind of hard to relax now I
2:05:44get it I just take that leg straight up
2:05:48from me it's still like my freaky thing
2:05:52sweating through right right you have a
2:05:55flood plain origin of a hot person can
2:05:59you put your arms up like an animal for
2:06:01for me
2:06:21so great this
2:06:27Universal recipients under an hour
2:06:33[Music]
2:06:48very much Rick take me for
2:06:52I'm good with your water you want
2:06:53another cup of Gatorade all right get
2:06:56the door
2:08:09I told you about technology here today
2:08:14so here we've got my power cord reel
2:08:17quizzer do any crackers or anything but
2:08:21are you sure
2:35:39[Music]
2:36:07okay sorry sorry with your fun turd
2:36:11trust me I'm just going to pack this up
2:36:13and that behind guy Graham or you've
2:36:17been talking to if you can come in order
2:36:18to chat okay cool you need anything
2:36:22crackers water Mountain Dew will give
2:36:26you much you know I'm good
2:36:28ruin st for you can brush so Russian
2:36:35writing I don't know okay
2:36:37my dad out there she read I think it you
2:36:41know immature we come back in part so
2:36:50it's a while the Pecola
2:36:53okay
2:37:01you may turn without an hour just leave
2:37:04them be come to you if you want to the
2:37:07time some are permanent produce charcoal
2:37:12manners
2:37:15chicken stew
2:37:22did she know you were coming in here
2:37:24today no who knew you were coming Nick
2:37:28and Amanda Kyle got their house and my
2:37:30my dad okay
2:37:32what'd your dad say about it so just do
2:37:37you know do that ask like wherever
2:37:44whatever questions the Habs at just do
2:37:46what they ask
2:37:49that's not very sure oh really bigger
2:37:58than they thought I think I saw picture
2:38:00of them on the news and they were much
2:38:02tinier okay that was that was I don't
2:38:07know this is it of this year
2:38:29trashcan in here oh I'll take em out do
2:38:32you want another one
2:38:33I'll survive I'm just going to grab that
2:38:39pad that you're sitting on okay
2:38:46when I try to turn my phone on they're
2:38:48looking good service in here
2:38:49oh my work phone yes is rotten like dead
2:38:56we're getting stuff from work like you
2:39:00need to be doing this for that no this
2:39:02everybody's checked out now now I for
2:39:05the day hey did they tell you that oh
2:39:08yeah we have a group Mia Oh
2:39:11to let you know like I usually sign a
2:39:13text about 1:30 - everybody's doing and
2:39:16I'm 230 the dominant source of all
2:39:18people start to check out everything
2:39:19there's always like there's always that
2:39:22one person that's like you know I got to
2:39:24it check out our wait I don't get it
2:39:25first one read and all that kind of
2:39:27stuff so we feel bad if they're the
2:39:29first ones to me uh one of the guys
2:39:31usually does but there's always one guy
2:39:33that likes to stay try to justify
2:39:36overside - right
2:39:42they've they've been very supportive
2:39:52good through the that what do you know
2:39:57that that's the place you should be
2:39:58working you know
2:40:01[Applause]
2:40:04[Music]
2:40:08make someone talk to Luke and you might
2:40:10like to know what family forever so it
2:40:13makes you feel good you know that
2:40:14there's watches out there that are like
2:40:16you don't know
2:40:26we're rubbish about
2:40:38mr. Majer calls from
2:40:41I can tell once I get out here
2:40:45everybody's blow up yeah
2:40:48Ethel thank you
2:42:30[Music]
2:44:11Oh
2:44:13[Applause]
2:44:18Oh
2:44:25Wow
2:45:13[Music]
2:45:25[Music]
2:45:51[Music]
2:46:16[Applause]
2:46:35you
2:46:43there you go
2:47:42[Music]
2:47:50stop
2:48:10[Applause]
2:48:50my fella
2:49:17No
2:50:01[Music]
2:50:22and you know like always you know
2:50:37now what you're doing
2:52:07[Music]

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