Как построить бизнес с Chat GPT? Все промты в видео! Артем Круглов — Transcript
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- 0:00Good afternoon. My name is Nikolai
- 0:01Khlebinsky. You are on the Action Plan
- 0:03channel. Today we are discussing a
- 0:04million-dollar idea. What is going to
- 0:05happen today? Today's episode is
- 0:07different; it's not like our usual ones
- 0:09. Usually, we sit and talk, extracting
- 0:12the entrepreneur's experience from
- 0:14their past decisions, projects,
- 0:16failures, successes, and achievements.
- 0:19Today, we decided to do things
- 0:21completely differently. And today, we
- 0:23want to conduct an experiment. We want
- 0:32to take all the achievements we can
- 0:34reach from every corner of the world,
- 0:36from any point in our country, and use
- 0:38these advancements in artificial
- 0:39intelligence to create a business from
- 0:41scratch right here and now, taking
- 0:43those first steps that will shorten our
- 0:45action plan to a million rubles from
- 0:47the several years it used to take to
- 0:49start such a business. Down to, well,
- 0:56however long we sit here—an hour, an
- 0:58hour and a half, or two—chatting,
- 1:00drinking coffee, and making something
- 1:02happen. Let's see what comes of this.
- 1:04This message is for those who have just
- 1:06started watching this video. We have
- 1:08already been recording for about an
- 1:10hour and a half, and we've done things
- 1:12here that, well, please watch it from
- 1:14beginning to end. If your goal is to
- 1:18launch your own IT or internet-related
- 1:20business, we've created so much here
- 1:23that I am, honestly, in shock. My guest
- 1:26today is Artyom Kruglov, founder of the
- 1:29company Anquy. Artyom, welcome.
- 1:31Yes, hello.
- 1:32I realized that the world has changed.
- 1:34It will never be the same again.
- 1:36With artificial intelligence, you don't
- 1:38just work better; you can do the
- 1:40impossible. We are just a few years
- 1:42away from the moment when a company
- 1:44worth over a billion dollars—a
- 1:46unicorn—consisting of only one person
- 1:48, will appear in the world.
- 1:49They come and ask: "Artyom, how do I
- 1:51get into artificial intelligence?"
- 1:53The phrase: "Artificial intelligence is
- 1:55marketing. No such
- 1:56intelligence exists." This task used to
- 1:59take months, and now it takes seconds.
- 2:03If you find something trendy and
- 2:05high-margin before anyone else, you win
- 2:07. What do you do? Give us the numbers
- 2:15that characterize your scale, and
- 2:16anything else you think the audience
- 2:18should know about you.
- 2:19I am 38 years old. I live in Moscow,
- 2:21I’m married, and I have a wonderful
- 2:24son. And we, in fact, help tens of
- 2:27millions of people make successful
- 2:30purchases online. Every time you search
- 2:34for something in Gold Apple, Samokat,
- 2:3712Storeez, or TSUM, the product
- 2:39selections in the search and the
- 2:40product recommendations are generated
- 2:43by us; we provide independent retailers
- 2:45with great algorithms for search and
- 2:47personalization. So, guys, for those of
- 2:52you who aren't familiar with marketing
- 2:54automation tools, here's the deal.
- 2:59Artyom's company, Iquii, which, by the
- 3:01way, was just sold to Tinkoff, is one
- 3:04of the rare success stories of building
- 3:06a tech startup and achieving a
- 3:08successful exit in Russia. They focus
- 3:17on providing retailers with AI-driven
- 3:19technologies to help boost conversion
- 3:21rates, increase average order value,
- 3:23grow sales, improve customer lifetime
- 3:26value, and so on. Did I get that right?
- 3:31Yeah? Just one correction: we have a
- 3:34strategic partnership with the Tinkoff
- 3:36team, they hold control, but we
- 3:38continue to manage the company and
- 3:40remain active founders in the business.
- 3:44I think it's important to share the
- 3:46thought that the path we took was
- 3:47incredibly difficult. I mean, when we
- 3:50started, there weren't even developers
- 3:52who knew the specific technologies we
- 3:55needed. Whereas now, you can build a
- 3:58prototype in just a day or two and
- 4:00already start trying to sign your first
- 4:02contracts. Right now, I see that
- 4:05there's another boom in California of
- 4:07solo entrepreneurs—people who have
- 4:09built products on their own and are
- 4:11already running them with the help of
- 4:13agents. And yes, at this point, one
- 4:16might say, "Well, of course, if you
- 4:18graduated from the MSU Physics
- 4:20Department, maybe you can figure this
- 4:22stuff out." But I think the most
- 4:26advantageous, the coolest mindset you
- 4:28can have right now is that with AI, you
- 4:31don't just work better—you can do the
- 4:33impossible. The things you were afraid
- 4:38to do, the things people always told
- 4:40you were impossible—now they’ve
- 4:42become possible. That’s the message I
- 4:46want to convey to the podcast viewers:
- 4:48take a look at this and find the
- 4:50courage to do something impossible.
- 4:53That sounds really cool. Honestly,
- 4:55I’ve seen this happen a couple of
- 4:57times—or maybe more than a couple—
- 4:59and I’ve encountered AI use cases
- 5:01myself where I thought, "Wow, that's
- 5:03incredible." We are currently at the
- 5:06beginning of this recording. I hope
- 5:08we’ll have that same "wow" effect by
- 5:10the end. So, make sure to watch until
- 5:12the very end. We’re about to show you
- 5:16what AI is capable of today. I’ll
- 5:21jump in here again to dispel all the
- 5:22myths right away.
- 5:25Uh-huh. "Artificial Intelligence" is
- 5:28just marketing. There is no
- 5:30such thing as intelligence. These are
- 5:32technologies from the end of the last
- 5:34century. Everything that hasn't really
- 5:37changed, but what has changed in the
- 5:38world since the end of the last century
- 5:40, has become much cheaper. Computing
- 5:44power. What used to not even fit in
- 5:48this room to calculate a flight to the
- 5:50Moon, today fits in our pocket, in a
- 5:52phone, on a much larger scale. And all
- 5:56these things that are usually
- 5:58classified as artificial intelligence
- 6:00technologies, they are very
- 6:01resource-intensive. They require very
- 6:04large datasets. They require processing
- 6:08those datasets with a large number of
- 6:10machines. A very large number of
- 6:13machines. There used to be another
- 6:15buzzword called "big data." What is big
- 6:17data? Well, in my understanding, it’s
- 6:19a volume of data that doesn't fit into
- 6:21the RAM of a single computer. We have a
- 6:23certain number of RAM sticks in our
- 6:24laptop. Here we have, say, 32, 64, or
- 6:28128 GB of RAM. You can feed it 128 GB
- 6:31of data, but it won't take any more.
- 6:35Therefore, in the late 2000s, very
- 6:37accessible distributed computing
- 6:39systems appeared that could break down
- 6:41this data and combine computers into a
- 6:43cluster that could exchange information
- 6:46and calculate it together. And now it's
- 6:50just available right in the browser.
- 6:52That is, 10-15 years ago, when Artyom
- 6:54and I were starting, we needed very
- 6:56expensive engineers, just a few who
- 6:58actually understood how to connect all
- 7:01those 300 servers. These were the
- 7:03cutting edge of science, if you will,
- 7:05in the field of Data Science,
- 7:07right? These were the very best,
- 7:09right? So now any student can sit down
- 7:12and engage in what is already a huge
- 7:14trend called "vibe-coding,"
- 7:17right? When you sit down in a cafe, get
- 7:22a coffee—I got one downstairs where
- 7:24we're sitting—and over coffee and an
- 7:26interesting conversation, we whip
- 7:28something up, and that something will
- 7:30be at the level of several years of
- 7:32work by a highly experienced team. Just
- 7:36like that.
- 7:37It feels like now is the most unique
- 7:39opportunity to get into this. I mean,
- 7:41you and I know very well what trends
- 7:43and changes are happening. There was a
- 7:46great trend for the internet. Then
- 7:49there was indeed a trend for MarTech
- 7:51and ML, which we caught. Uh-huh.
- 7:53And now you can see this wave, which is
- 7:55causing a FOMO effect among
- 7:57entrepreneurs. I see a ton of
- 7:59entrepreneurs who are doing other
- 8:00things. They come and say, "Artyom, how
- 8:02do I get into artificial intelligence?
- 8:04I want to get into this, tell me how."
- 8:06And so on. Yeah. And so, I think we
- 8:08need to talk about this, explain how it
- 8:10can be used, and provide the main tools
- 8:12. We won't cover all the tools today,
- 8:13but we'll—
- 8:14we'll make another episode if it goes
- 8:16well. I'll gather my thoughts again.
- 8:17Actually, I think you could make a
- 8:18separate podcast just on this topic.
- 8:20Where shall we begin? We will start by
- 8:22finding a niche. We need to understand
- 8:23what to do. We have prepared three
- 8:26approaches to finding a niche using
- 8:27artificial intelligence. You will now
- 8:31watch how this is done on my screen. I
- 8:34have ChatGPT open. There. So, I have
- 8:38prepared one prompt. Artem has prepared
- 8:42one prompt. And I will also show one
- 8:44more approach that often works for me,
- 8:46which you can do too. The prompt Artem
- 8:49brought today is in English. So my
- 8:52first request—a prompt, by the way,
- 8:54is a request given to artificial
- 8:56intelligence, which is then processed
- 8:58and helps us get a result.
- 9:01Nevertheless, I think it is good
- 9:03practice to submit requests in English.
- 9:06The quality improves a bit, so as not
- 9:08to lose it. And you can always use
- 9:11translators, so you can write in
- 9:13Russian.
- 9:13Let's translate it now, read it in
- 9:15Russian, and then use the original
- 9:17English, because these are life hacks
- 9:19for you—that using it in English is a
- 9:21bit more effective. Translate the
- 9:24request into Russian, so we all
- 9:29understand its meaning, right?
- 9:30Yes, there are two types of models.
- 9:32Some that generate the next words, and
- 9:34others that know how to reason. And at
- 9:37the moment of reasoning, it generates
- 9:39about 10 or maybe even 100,000 thought
- 9:41threads and then chooses the best one.
- 9:43And this is the version called O3,
- 9:45right? Version O3.
- 9:46I see that it is currently rewriting,
- 9:48right?
- 9:49Meaning it shows its reasoning. Yes. It
- 9:51thought for 25 seconds. "You are a
- 9:53counterintuitive digital product
- 9:55strategist, combining market insight
- 9:57with bold imagination." Inject as much
- 10:00context as possible for ChatGPT and
- 10:02other neural networks so they
- 10:03understand what we want from them. Goal
- 10:06: create exactly 100 ideas solely for
- 10:09software products that could
- 10:10potentially generate $ 100,000 in
- 10:12monthly revenue. Each idea must be
- 10:15oriented toward a target audience. This
- 10:17is what we need to add and write in now
- 10:18. Originality is critical. No idea
- 10:21should overlap in its value proposition
- 10:23. Quickly write down 100 short ones. So
- 10:26, in short, that's the prompt. Alright,
- 10:28let's take it again. Open a new chat.
- 10:32What do we need to enter here? We need
- 10:34to enter something here in square
- 10:36brackets. It was here
- 10:38a bit higher up. Go ahead.
- 10:41Here is the target audience. Let's say
- 10:44for marketplace sellers.
- 10:46So, also let's specifically say
- 10:52Wildberries and Ozon sellers. Like that
- 11:00. I'd rather
- 11:05in Russia. So, place your bets. Here is
- 11:08the most banal idea. Most of the
- 11:10startups around working with sellers
- 11:12that I see. These are analytical tools
- 11:16for marketplace sellers, as well as
- 11:18repricers and bidders—essentially
- 11:20tools that manage pricing and
- 11:22advertising bids on marketplaces.
- 11:25Let’s give it a try. Yes, that’s
- 11:27the obvious path, and as an
- 11:29entrepreneur, it’s not something
- 11:30I’d want to do because each of these
- 11:33niches already has established leaders.
- 11:35In analytics, it’s MPStats; in ad
- 11:38management, it’s Xway. There you go.
- 11:41Second, there are dozens, maybe even
- 11:43hundreds of small teams already working
- 11:45in that space. I wouldn’t want to
- 11:47jump into a "Red Ocean" right from the
- 11:49start. But let’s take a look anyway.
- 11:51Since I’m often around sellers, I
- 11:53have a pretty good idea of their pain
- 11:55points and even know what kind of apps
- 11:57could be built. Now let’s see what
- 11:59niches it suggests for us. Alright,
- 12:01let’s go. Starting it up. We’ll
- 12:03make the second prompt easier,
- 12:05yes,
- 12:06significantly easier, which I’ve
- 12:07already prepared. I’ve got the prompt
- 12:09ready in Russian. So, you are a product
- 12:12strategist, visionary, and startup
- 12:14architect. Your task is to come up with
- 12:16a service. A service for sellers.
- 12:24Let’s come up with 10 product ideas
- 12:26in this niche. A service for
- 12:31marketplace sellers on Wildberries and
- 12:37Ozon, that people would actually enjoy
- 12:42using and be willing to pay for. One
- 12:44that has a real product-market fit.
- 12:50I’ll tell you about myself, and you
- 12:52propose 10 product ideas. Let’s make
- 12:57it 10, with names. Explain why it would
- 12:59work. Preferably with monetization
- 13:02examples. I need to put my info here.
- 13:06What should we write about ourselves?
- 13:09That I’m a serial entrepreneur. I
- 13:12study a lot, and I’m into chess. I
- 13:20don’t know what else to write.
- 13:21My name is Nikolai, most importantly,
- 13:23and
- 13:24chess. My name is Nikolai. Right, ask
- 13:30me a clarifying question. Don't suggest
- 13:32something generic. And one more thing I
- 13:42want to add, to make it more relevant,
- 13:44is that the product you propose must
- 13:46have the potential to reach 1 billion
- 13:48rubles in annual revenue. Let’s do
- 13:57that; it’s all important.
- 13:58There’s a "write more" button, so it
- 14:00generates all of this for us at once.
- 14:02What do you mean, generate?
- 14:03To have it generate all of this for us?
- 14:05Yes, yes, generate it for now. Go ahead
- 14:07.
- 14:08My profile, list it when you're done.
- 14:10Alright, let it work. And third, what I
- 14:13want to do. The third prompt. This
- 14:17trick has worked for me many times when
- 14:19the results from other prompts didn't
- 14:21satisfy me. If I’m not happy with the
- 14:26results, I assume the issue might be
- 14:28with the prompt itself. So, my prompt
- 14:34looks like this. Come up with a prompt
- 14:36for me. That is exactly what we are
- 14:38going to do now. We are doing this from
- 14:40audio. Hello. So, I am a serial
- 14:43entrepreneur. I'm here with another
- 14:45entrepreneur. My name is Nikolai. I am
- 14:47with another entrepreneur named Artyom.
- 14:50We are recording a podcast, and right
- 14:52here on the recording, we're coming up
- 14:54with our next business venture. We need
- 14:57an idea for an IT startup, for a
- 14:59technology company. We are looking for
- 15:03a niche where we can create a software
- 15:06product, a so-called SaaS cloud service
- 15:08, for sellers on the marketplaces
- 15:10Wildberries.ru and Ozon.ru, which could
- 15:12potentially reach a revenue of 1
- 15:14billion rubles. Per year, potentially.
- 15:20And one that can be built as quickly as
- 15:22possible, so that our first version for
- 15:25testing hypotheses appears as fast and
- 15:27as cheaply as possible. Please. Ask me
- 15:34what you need to ask me, and come up
- 15:35with a prompt yourself that I should
- 15:37give you so that the result turns out
- 15:39the best. That's it. That's about 30
- 15:44seconds of speech. Now this text will
- 15:47be recognized, or rather, this audio
- 15:49will be transcribed into text. I will
- 15:51give it to ChatGPT to think about. It
- 15:53will create the prompt and immediately
- 15:55provide the result itself. There was a
- 15:57recent OpenAI conference. That is the
- 15:59developer of ChatGPT. And their CEO,
- 16:03Sam Altman, known to everyone, stated
- 16:05that it is only a few years away until
- 16:08a company worth over a billion dollars
- 16:10—a unicorn—appears in the world,
- 16:12consisting of just one person doing
- 16:15what we are doing today. They might
- 16:20have coded something, but they found
- 16:22such a niche, such a gap between demand
- 16:24and supply, which was easily bridged by
- 16:26the kind of mechanisms we are playing
- 16:28with today, that they built a unicorn,
- 16:31maybe even went to IPO and cashed out
- 16:33properly, and this event is just a few
- 16:35years away. Maybe someone watching us
- 16:39right now will be that first person.
- 16:42We are already using agents internally,
- 16:45and I would say that we probably have
- 16:47four or five agents working. It’s
- 16:51just a program we run, but it would be
- 16:53quite possible to give them names,
- 16:55positions, and job descriptions. Right.
- 16:59But I heard another story, that the
- 17:01main competitor to OpenAI, a company
- 17:04called Anthropic, said that 90%of the
- 17:06system's code was written by the system
- 17:08itself. It writes 90%of its own code.
- 17:12Cool. Yeah. The next mega-trend in this
- 17:16story is, of course, the reduction of
- 17:18resources allocated to the payroll for
- 17:21engineers. We see American companies
- 17:24cutting thousands, tens of thousands of
- 17:27people. And these waves are already
- 17:29reaching us. Those in my circle
- 17:33involved in IT recruiting are also
- 17:34hinting that, guys, things are starting
- 17:37to look bad for us. They still blame
- 17:40the economy for now, but the battle for
- 17:42productivity is sort of beginning. For
- 17:44now, the code this thing writes cannot
- 17:46survive without a human, without an
- 17:48operator, without an expert. Because
- 17:52there's total nonsense sometimes, and
- 17:54there must be an expert to fix it, but
- 17:56the expert's labor costs are reduced
- 17:58significantly, by orders of magnitude.
- 18:01Do you remember that story about
- 18:03musketeers and archers when there was a
- 18:05war, I think between...
- 18:07No, tell me.
- 18:09I might get the location wrong. Maybe
- 18:12it was a war in Asia and the French
- 18:14musketeers were able to win tactically.
- 18:19And the main advantage was that to get
- 18:21an archer, you need to train him from
- 18:23the age of 10 for a long time. But a
- 18:26musketeer, you just give him a stick
- 18:28and say: "Shoot." He trained for a
- 18:30month. If a musketeer was killed, no
- 18:33big deal. The next one will come and be
- 18:35trained quickly. Oh.
- 18:36Like, muskets were less effective back
- 18:38then than bows? Is that what you mean?
- 18:40At the dawn of it.
- 18:43Maybe the archers were much more
- 18:45accurate and skilled, but there were
- 18:47far more musketeers. And there was a
- 18:50big essay which stated that...we won't
- 18:55lose developers, we'll have 10, 100,000
- 18:58, 100 times more developers. Meaning,
- 19:01everyone will become a developer.
- 19:03Well, yeah. I recently heard a thought
- 19:06that, you know, uh, most people...
- 19:10Uh-huh.
- 19:12are proxies between a computer and a
- 19:14user of some service or product.
- 19:17Meaning they are simply an interface.
- 19:20We go to a bank, there's a person
- 19:22sitting at a computer, typing in a form
- 19:24, filling it out, checking boxes,
- 19:26taking notes for us. Well, artificial
- 19:28intelligence will handle all of this
- 19:30very soon, and definitely better. There
- 19:33are people who take orders, people who
- 19:35perform other functions, in short,
- 19:37acting between the consumer and the
- 19:39computer. And they will be replaced
- 19:42soon, including by things like this.
- 19:45Listen, let me tell you a scary story.
- 19:51News just came out that in the States,
- 19:53young professionals can't find jobs.
- 19:58The demand for them is falling.
- 20:00Unemployment is rising sharply among
- 20:02developers and analysts. And maybe
- 20:07something is happening with their
- 20:08economy, but I think this is already
- 20:10the first wave of artificial
- 20:11intelligence. Yeah. And I think that we
- 20:17will face this in our economy in 2-3
- 20:19years. It was interesting that everyone
- 20:25said: "Go into IT, everything will be
- 20:27fine for you." Everyone somehow started
- 20:29running from there. It turns out they
- 20:31created a problem for themselves, right
- 20:33? It turns out they created their own
- 20:36replacement.
- 20:37Well, no, I don't think so. I don't
- 20:39know. When I was applying to university
- 20:41, I really wanted to get into
- 20:43everything related to computers. I was
- 20:46so interested in it. My parents told me
- 20:49: "No, you're not going to be a
- 20:51programmer." They've made so many of
- 20:53these programmers that nobody needs
- 20:55them anymore. That was the early 2000s.
- 20:5920-plus years ago. So, 20-plus years
- 21:02later, skilled engineers are still in
- 21:05huge demand. There. And, well, in
- 21:08general, people who work in IT are
- 21:11economically significantly more
- 21:12successful on average than most other
- 21:15professions, they are at the top.
- 21:18Our model is deep in thought, doing
- 21:20something,
- 21:21right? Writing code.
- 21:23Writing code for some reason. Yes. An
- 21:27idea about draining a competitor's
- 21:29stock just flashed by here. Well, let
- 21:34me tell you the story of one of my
- 21:36close friends who actually had this
- 21:38problem. What can a competitor do? What
- 21:43can they do on Wildberries if you're a
- 21:45seller? They can take it from your
- 21:47Moscow warehouse. You've shipped some
- 21:49great item to the Moscow warehouse that
- 21:51sells really well for you. They can
- 21:54order all that remaining stock to
- 21:56somewhere like Novosibirsk. It will
- 21:59take 2 weeks to get there. The seller
- 22:03whose goods are being shipped will be
- 22:05charged for the logistics. The goods
- 22:08will stay there in Novosibirsk at the
- 22:10pickup point, and nobody will pick them
- 22:12up. They will lie there for another
- 22:13week. Then they will return to the
- 22:15Novosibirsk warehouse, where there are
- 22:16no sales for this item because, for
- 22:18example, it's something for summer, but
- 22:20it's cold there, or it's just something
- 22:22unsuitable for Novosibirsk. In general,
- 22:23in MPSA, you can see which item sells
- 22:25in which region. During this time, this
- 22:27bestseller won't be sold to those who
- 22:29actually need it. And it will just lie
- 22:31there too, and you'll have to pay for
- 22:33storage. This is an attack that, as I
- 22:36understand it, competitors carry out on
- 22:38each other with regular frequency. And
- 22:40Wildberries itself doesn't do anything
- 22:42about it because they make money on it.
- 22:44They take a storage commission, so
- 22:45they're fine with it. So, our first one
- 22:47is still thinking.
- 22:48And my first one on another model has
- 22:50already generated 100 ideas. And
- 22:52actually, I think that this is
- 22:54something we should just take and
- 22:56publish: 100 business ideas for WB.
- 23:00Well, let the guys just implement some
- 23:02of them in the comments.
- 23:03Yeah. Okay, the first request is just
- 23:05your most powerful one. That's why it's
- 23:07taking a long time. Let it work. Uh, so
- 23:10. But the result of the second prompt
- 23:12just came in.
- 23:13Uh-huh. Let's take a look.
- 23:14Yeah, let's see what's happening here.
- 23:16The Pricing Gambit,
- 23:17right? So, I shouldn't have said I like
- 23:20chess. Uh, title and hook. Uh, MVP
- 23:26version of a Telegram bot where a
- 23:28seller uploads a sales file. The bot
- 23:30provides three strategic moves. So it's
- 23:33an advisor that will help earn a bit
- 23:35more. Blitz reviews. Instant review
- 23:39collection. The user scans a QR code on
- 23:41the packaging. Yeah, so this is a
- 23:44really important thing on WBIS.
- 23:46Ranking depends heavily on that, and
- 23:48conversion down the funnel, what your
- 23:50card's rating is, and in our part of
- 23:52the world
- 23:53You can stick a QR on
- 23:55You shouldn't, but everyone does it
- 23:56anyway. In our part of the world, it's
- 23:58just not customary to leave positive
- 24:00reviews. In our part of the world, it's
- 24:02customary to speak up,
- 24:03if something bad has happened. That's
- 24:07why you have to work on improving the
- 24:09card rating all the time, and sellers
- 24:11try to get reviews by any means
- 24:12necessary. And there are actually a
- 24:17couple of cool bots you can buy for
- 24:18money.
- 24:20There. But I don't really like them, so
- 24:22I would put this idea on the shortlist.
- 24:24A bot for collecting reviews. This is a
- 24:28product you can sell to all sellers on
- 24:30a subscription basis. There. Uh, here
- 24:32there's also a QR sticker generator. I
- 24:34see, it wrote. Yeah, points, perks,
- 24:37mini-prize, heat map. Well, pretty cool
- 24:41. So, product card bots,
- 24:43right? A/B testing for cards. What is
- 24:46an A/B test? An A/B test is when we
- 24:48take two versions of something, split
- 24:51our audience randomly in half, and one
- 24:53part interacts with the first version,
- 24:55the second with the second. And we see
- 24:57which one has better sales, which one
- 24:59has better customer reviews, to decide
- 25:02which version to use. Well, it's like
- 25:04Cherchesov at the World Cup. Either
- 25:06I'll call up Kokorin to the squad, or
- 25:08Dzyuba, and see which works better.
- 25:10Good.
- 25:12So, uh, a Chrome extension pulling card
- 25:15KPIs, a win-loss chart, Notion doc, but
- 25:18there's no proper API on the platforms
- 25:20to run A/B tests for cards. There's
- 25:23some raw internal functionality.
- 25:25There. So for now,
- 25:28what I wanted to tell you is that our
- 25:30next prompt will be ideas for
- 25:31challenges. There. So we can just
- 25:33quickly make some selections now.
- 25:35Micro-warehouse sounds really cool. A
- 25:38P2P network
- 25:39of empty garages, offices. Combining
- 25:42them into a platform. I think it's a
- 25:44very cool hypothesis. I don't know how
- 25:46many empty garages there are that could
- 25:48be turned into offices, but I know that
- 25:50storage businesses blew up a few years
- 25:52ago. I mean, those buildings that were
- 25:54renovated and converted into small
- 25:56storage units are all occupied now.
- 25:58These units.
- 25:58Well, I wanted to point one thing out
- 26:00here. The fact that
- 26:03even though you are, well, simply an
- 26:05expert, and you have insane experience
- 26:07with both tech projects and marketplace
- 26:09businesses, we're already seeing
- 26:11something new in these five ideas that
- 26:13we hadn't thought of.
- 26:16Yes, I hadn't thought about that at all
- 26:18. So, this thing here is cool. I don't
- 26:21know why it pulled us into chess.
- 26:23An influencer exchange
- 26:24with a rating system, perhaps. You see,
- 26:27absolutely all marketplace sellers,
- 26:29when I get into their community, say: "
- 26:31Guys, girls, what's up with bloggers?
- 26:33Whoever knows how to work with bloggers
- 26:35effectively, the one who knows, doesn't
- 26:37tell anyone." Actually, that's just the
- 26:38way it is in the marketplace world.
- 26:39Nobody tells anyone anything. Someone
- 26:41finds a good angle and stays silent.
- 26:43They sit there like a partisan because
- 26:44as soon as it's leaked, it will stop
- 26:46working and that's it. Uh, influencer
- 26:48aggregators that work well with
- 26:50bloggers—they don't exist. They exist
- 26:53in-house for big sellers, large trading
- 26:55companies, and major retailers. They
- 26:57keep their own databases, watching what
- 26:59worked for whom, but a general
- 27:01aggregator like that doesn't exist.
- 27:02Very cool. So, reasons for returns.
- 27:07Import directory, Club 64, a premium
- 27:10mastermind for sellers with chess
- 27:12sparring. So, by the way, such a
- 27:15business already exists. There really
- 27:18wasn't a landmark, cool mastermind
- 27:21among sellers. Now there is, it's
- 27:23called Big Russian Brands. Seryozha
- 27:25Filippov, we send our greetings to you.
- 27:27He was a guest on this podcast a few
- 27:29years ago. Now there really is the
- 27:31coolest mastermind. That's how it is.
- 27:34Okay. Well, I like what I'm seeing.
- 27:37Let's see what yours did.
- 27:38No, it doesn't want to. Switch to
- 27:40another model and let's restart. So,
- 27:43well, in short, this is the fast
- 27:45ChatGPT model we are currently running
- 27:48this prompt through. We decided to do
- 27:5020 ideas instead of the 100 we
- 27:52initially planned, just to generate
- 27:54them and save time. But you can do 20
- 27:57or 20,000. Basically, let me convey one
- 28:00thought here about how models differ.
- 28:03There are models that appeared first,
- 28:05that came out first. GPT-3.5 and, by
- 28:09the way, I think it's been a few years
- 28:13now, GPT-4o. These are models that, in
- 28:18their own way, only predicted the next
- 28:20word.
- 28:21Uh-huh.
- 28:22Based on the previous context. And you
- 28:25can think of such models as a very,
- 28:27very large archive of the internet.
- 28:29Uh-huh.
- 28:29So, we simply took all the knowledge
- 28:31that exists,
- 28:32Uh-huh.
- 28:33compressed it into a model, and you can
- 28:35extract it from there. With prompts.
- 28:38From one side, from the other. There.
- 28:40And here we saw that the model was
- 28:42already thinking for 54 seconds on the
- 28:44screen,
- 28:46and a reasoning layer was added to them
- 28:48, which significantly improved their
- 28:50quality, and they were already able to
- 28:52solve problems involving instructions,
- 28:54tasks, and executing certain
- 28:56directions. And such models are called
- 28:58agentic or reasoning models.
- 29:00Uh-huh.
- 29:00There. And there was a big breakthrough
- 29:02in them. Moreover, we are currently
- 29:04using the O4 Mini version. Uh, this is
- 29:06a lightweight version of the O4 model.
- 29:08We tried to do it on regular O4, but it
- 29:11took too long, and we just switched to
- 29:13the lightweight version here to save
- 29:15time and show examples. But you can try
- 29:17O4, the results there will be even
- 29:19cooler. Let's ask it to translate into
- 29:21Russian. We got 20 results. Translate
- 29:27the results into Russian. Okay, while
- 29:35it's thinking, let's see about our
- 29:37third model.
- 29:38Uh-huh.
- 29:38Uh, so, for the idea to really take off
- 29:41, we need to clarify six things. Then I
- 29:43will be able to provide the most
- 29:45accurate and viable one. Pain points of
- 29:47sellers. Okay, uh, good. Let's just
- 29:50answer here by voice. We'll go in
- 29:52dialogue mode as well. So, we need to
- 29:54find out the pain points of sellers. We
- 29:57aren't marketplace sellers, we don't
- 29:58know them. Therefore, we need to
- 30:00analyze it somehow, imagine that you
- 30:02are a seller yourself. And come up with
- 30:05it yourself, find out what problems
- 30:07sellers face. How many people are ready
- 30:10to work on the MVP right now? Right now
- 30:12, there are two of us sitting here. We
- 30:17will white-code the prototype, and then
- 30:19our plan is to probably outsource the
- 30:21development to one of the many software
- 30:23outsourcing companies. So, uh, do you
- 30:28have your own stores? No, we don't have
- 30:31stores. A community, yes, we have one.
- 30:33We will find sellers, go to a
- 30:35conference, we can talk to them, and
- 30:37when we have the product ready, we can
- 30:39get feedback from it. What budget and
- 30:42time frame do you have, and when should
- 30:44it start paying off? Well, we should
- 30:47reach self-sufficiency within the first
- 30:49year, and we should capture at least 1%
- 30:52of the total addressable market in the
- 30:54first year. That’s that answer. So,
- 30:59is borrowed money acceptable? Well, we
- 31:02assume that we are coding all this on
- 31:04our own, and we won't have access to
- 31:06debt financing. Especially since banks
- 31:08don't like giving loans to IT companies
- 31:10because they have nothing on their
- 31:12balance sheets and there's nothing to
- 31:13take from them later. But we are
- 31:16counting on venture capital. We are
- 31:18counting on the fact that once we have
- 31:20prototypes, market feedback, and some
- 31:22positive soft commitments for sales,
- 31:24we'll be able to attract venture
- 31:26funding, even in the current economic
- 31:28situation. I think that won't be a
- 31:29problem. So, do you plan to target the
- 31:31top 300 sellers, focus on a high
- 31:33average check, or go for the long tail?
- 31:35I don't know, we need to calculate it.
- 31:37Our goal is to reach a revenue of one
- 31:39billion per year over the next few
- 31:41years. So, you tell us which segment we
- 31:45should target. I don't know. We are
- 31:47focusing on the Russian market. Yes, we
- 31:49are focusing on the Russian market for
- 31:51now. We don't want to go anywhere else
- 31:53yet. Are you ready to invest in LLM
- 31:56features? Uh, do we need classic BI or
- 32:00ERP? That's it, those are very
- 32:02complicated words. We don't really want
- 32:04to dive into them right now. We just
- 32:07need everything to be clear, verified,
- 32:09launched, and tested. Uh, that's it,
- 32:12waiting for the request. And there's an
- 32:14example of the request right here,
- 32:15right? We, Nikolai and Artem, want a
- 32:18SaaS.
- 32:18Uh-huh.
- 32:19There. Right, well, this text is being
- 32:22recognized now, I'll send it.
- 32:23Let's go read the ideas that were
- 32:25translated.
- 32:26Yes, let's translate the ideas, more
- 32:28complex models. Artem's request.
- 32:31Price-pulse. Difficulties, manual price
- 32:34setting. Yes, a repricer, price
- 32:36adjustment, is indeed lying on the
- 32:38surface. That really does exist. And
- 32:41there are, well, a lot of repricers out
- 32:43there now. They have many interesting
- 32:45use cases. I've looked into this niche.
- 32:49Uh, the competition there is too big,
- 32:51it's too...
- 32:53There's also a threat, I think, from
- 32:55Wildberries and Ozon, because they want
- 32:57this direction. There is a conflict of
- 32:59interest there. There is, for example,
- 33:02a use case like raising the price
- 33:06during off-peak hours. That is one use
- 33:08case for a repricer. Very cool. It's
- 33:11not profitable for Wildberries. It
- 33:13works against Wildberries because they
- 33:15force sellers to rank higher and join
- 33:17promotions, and the promo price is
- 33:19taken as the median price for the last
- 33:2130 days. If you raise the price
- 33:24slightly during off-peak hours when
- 33:26demand is statistically low, your
- 33:27median price increases, and your promo
- 33:30price also increases. And that boosts
- 33:32your margins. But Wildberries will
- 33:33never implement such scenarios. It goes
- 33:35, it goes to the detriment of their
- 33:37earnings. Wildberries, they aren't
- 33:38interested in that. But there is
- 33:39something else there. Inventory planner
- 33:41. Inventory management. A huge problem,
- 33:45I'll be honest. None of the sellers
- 33:49really know how much stock to order,
- 33:51when to order more, and when to order
- 33:53less. I’ve talked a lot about this
- 33:58with people who are actually in the
- 33:59business. Most people have a very poor
- 34:03understanding of what a seasonality
- 34:05index is. Just, what is a seasonality
- 34:08index? Very few people have a clear
- 34:11idea of what return on equity is and
- 34:13how the speed of money turnover affects
- 34:15the business’s financial health.
- 34:19I’ve just said all these words. There
- 34:21are probably many sellers watching us,
- 34:23and they’ll be like, "What did he
- 34:24just say?" But, guys, this is the key
- 34:26figure in your business. Return on
- 34:28equity. Google it. There you go. And
- 34:31illiquid stock that piles up in
- 34:32warehouses is, I don’t know how to
- 34:35put it, a cancer. In short, in this
- 34:38business model, it just grows on its
- 34:40own. And these things treat it, which I
- 34:43think is a very strong hypothesis that
- 34:45we didn't have before. To build a smart
- 34:48tool that analyzes purchases, inventory
- 34:50, and sales, and turns on red lights,
- 34:53telling you, "Look, it's time to order
- 34:55this," because it’s all coming from
- 34:57China. Production is 15-25 days, 25-35
- 35:01days for logistics, a week for
- 35:03processing, then delivery to the
- 35:05marketplace in Moscow, and then some
- 35:07sales cycle for all of this. So we've
- 35:10created a production-logistics-sales
- 35:12cycle of 65-80 days.
- 35:14You've gotten a bit carried away,
- 35:15acting like you've already made a
- 35:16billion. Just go ahead and do it.
- 35:18I’m just describing the business
- 35:19model; it’s a cool thing, in short.
- 35:22Micro-trends are also absolute gold.
- 35:26Whoever cracks this won't be running
- 35:28this kind of business; they'll use it
- 35:30for themselves and won't tell anyone
- 35:31how it’s done. Because the most
- 35:34important question is what to sell on
- 35:36the marketplace. Everything else—if
- 35:39you find something trendy and
- 35:41high-margin before anyone else—
- 35:43you’ll be forgiven for lacking
- 35:44everything else I mentioned before.
- 35:47How long does a product actually last
- 35:49these days? I mean, if we find, say,
- 35:51months...
- 35:52It's literally called product arbitrage
- 35:54. Then other arbitrageurs see that
- 35:56it’s taking off, they order the same
- 35:58thing, and that's it. Okay,
- 36:00non-converting photos and tools for
- 36:02photo correction. Well, it's a cool
- 36:05thing, but it feels weak to me.
- 36:07Maybe you can make $ 10,000, but
- 36:09probably not more.
- 36:12I think it’s weak because the photos
- 36:14are still kind of mediocre. You can
- 36:18tell they're generated, and you need
- 36:20too much volume for anything to really
- 36:22work. Launching competitor promotions,
- 36:25tracking products. That’s a cool
- 36:28thing. Honestly, there still isn't a
- 36:31proper—well, there are Telegram bots,
- 36:33but it seems there's still no good,
- 36:35convenient solution that tracks
- 36:37competitor prices. Uh, price wars in
- 36:40marketplace retail are a really big
- 36:42deal. And having a simple alert system
- 36:45to tell you something has happened and
- 36:47you need to check your price—that’s
- 36:49important. I'm not even talking about
- 36:53events like promo launches and
- 36:54competitor actions; there's price, and
- 36:56there are other events too. A manager
- 37:00messes up and doesn't set the right
- 37:02price they were supposed to, so you
- 37:04need something to trigger an alert,
- 37:06because there are so many problems,
- 37:07like someone accidentally setting a
- 37:09price too low. That happens from time
- 37:12to time. Bots immediately buy up the
- 37:15entire stock. Wildberries sees the bots
- 37:18, instantly penalizes the seller's card
- 37:21, and says, "You're engaging in
- 37:22black-hat promotion here." At the same
- 37:25time, it keeps all the buyouts, and
- 37:26support just sends template replies. In
- 37:28short, it’s a total disaster. Okay,
- 37:31limited listings,
- 37:34SEO optimization. Uh, I think it's very
- 37:37promising.
- 37:39No one on WB—well, out of the sellers
- 37:42I talk to—understands how SEO should
- 37:44be structured. We actually do this
- 37:48professionally. We've just launched six
- 37:51pilots with large sellers. And for one
- 37:54seller, we took half their product
- 37:55listings and significantly increased
- 37:57their sales. Meaning, we split the
- 38:00stock into two parts.
- 38:01Review monitoring—listen, that’s a
- 38:03cool thing. The guys at MPSTATS are
- 38:05doing "Micro-FO."
- 38:06Everyone knows you need to read reviews
- 38:08, both yours and your competitors '.
- 38:10It's part of product research. It's
- 38:11part of the functionality for a product
- 38:13selection service. The point is that
- 38:15you need to analyze what people
- 38:17complain about, what they like, and
- 38:19what they dislike, and based on that,
- 38:21look for product hypotheses. Yeah. And
- 38:23this is actually an opportunity, so,
- 38:25well, in short, it’s a cool feature,
- 38:28I think.
- 38:28It’s like you start to hear the voice
- 38:30of the customer.
- 38:31Anyway, I think there’s actually no
- 38:33point in us continuing further. There
- 38:35are really some
- 38:35great ideas here.
- 38:37Very great ideas that were born in just
- 38:39a few minutes. Let’s try our third
- 38:41approach now. Uh, right. The audio has
- 38:44finished transcribing.
- 38:49Uh, let it think for a bit. Uh, so,
- 38:51what do we have? We have very strong,
- 38:56promising ideas that, with my 15 years
- 38:58of experience in digital business and
- 39:01startups, I really like. I feel that
- 39:05they are promising. Even though we just
- 39:08came up with what to do, I hadn't
- 39:10thought about it like this before. Uh,
- 39:13so, let me remind you what our idea was
- 39:15for this first part: to find a niche.
- 39:18Now we'll take any niche. We took three
- 39:22prompts. The first was from Artyom,
- 39:24which he found on the internet. I also
- 39:26found my own reel, found my own prompt,
- 39:29some reel popped up in my
- 39:30recommendations. And this is how I use
- 39:33it all the time, when I don't get a
- 39:35result I like, I describe the context
- 39:37in a short audio message and say: "Why
- 39:39don't you make me one." The request
- 39:43that I should give you. Like that. Well
- 39:47, here we got a cool result. We,
- 39:49Nikolai, Artyom, will no-code the
- 39:51prototype, then we'll outsource
- 39:53development for half a million. Yeah.
- 39:55We want a 12-month payback period. It's
- 39:58all set up great. So, uh, confirmed
- 40:02pain points. So I said, yeah, I told
- 40:04him: "Ask me everything you need to ask
- 40:07. What are the pain points?" I say: "I
- 40:09don't know what the pain points are. We
- 40:10decided here on something for
- 40:11marketplaces. You come up with what the
- 40:13pain points are." Uh, first pain point:
- 40:15opaque, erroneous fines and
- 40:17withholdings. Agreed. A huge problem. I
- 40:20can totally see an aggregator of
- 40:22lawyers coming next, who file
- 40:24complaints to get refunds. And these
- 40:28lawyers are actually starting to appear
- 40:29little by little. It's really cool.
- 40:32Commission growth in the summer of 2024
- 40:35. Well, it probably doesn't know yet
- 40:37that in the summer of 2025 everything
- 40:39grew once more. Yeah. So nobody really
- 40:41knows what to do. Next, poor cash flow
- 40:43visibility, payment delays. Payment
- 40:46delays, by the way, is also a very cool
- 40:48story, which none of the sellers know
- 40:50what to do about. And, well, equipment
- 40:52is one thing. I like this prompt. Let
- 40:55me say it now. I like this prompt. Go
- 40:58ahead, using this prompt, generate 20
- 41:01ideas for SaaS services for me, as I
- 41:03initially asked. So, we need to start
- 41:06thinking about which idea we'll take.
- 41:08Which one did you like the most? I
- 41:11think the point I wanted to get across
- 41:13is that it basically doesn't matter
- 41:15what we do, because we will assemble a
- 41:17prototype faster than has ever been
- 41:19possible, and we'll be able to verify
- 41:21it with real sellers. You can then
- 41:24throw it into some internal chats. So
- 41:28that's why I think you should just
- 41:30choose the one that resonates. What I
- 41:33would do if I were you, I would just
- 41:35make a post saying: "Hey guys, I have
- 41:38four or five ideas, please vote." Why
- 41:40do that? Let me explain. Because when
- 41:43you ask a B2B audience, then if they
- 41:45respond, if they vote for it, later
- 41:47when your sales reps call and say: "
- 41:51We're calling about the fines," they
- 41:52will get through that barrier. Let's
- 41:54just go ahead and do this now. Uh,
- 41:56first of all, please leave a comment if
- 41:59this topic resonates with you at all.
- 42:03And if it does, Artyom and I will sit
- 42:05down again and hash out how, before you
- 42:08move on to expenses, programming, or
- 42:10complex investments, you can actually
- 42:12check if a topic will take off or not.
- 42:16We'll sit down and share our ideas on
- 42:18how we do it, how we verify these
- 42:20things. Because today we're looking for
- 42:23ideas and showing how to quickly
- 42:25implement and prototype them, but how
- 42:26do you test if there's real money in it
- 42:28? So write in if you need this, and
- 42:32we'll get together again and record it.
- 42:34Anyway, here's the first one, the one I
- 42:36really wanted to show. Automated audit
- 42:39of fines. And I see the functionality
- 42:42being very simple, very cheap to
- 42:44develop. It will be a lawyer aggregator
- 42:48. Lawyers who are already employed
- 42:50somewhere, corporate types who want to
- 42:52freelance, that's where the
- 42:53self-employed angle comes in. It's a
- 42:56platform solution for sellers plus
- 42:58maybe some other products later on
- 43:00where you can sell legal services. Uh,
- 43:03there is a service in America called
- 43:05Priori Legal. How did I find out about
- 43:07it? When we entered the American market
- 43:09with Retail Rocket, the first thing we
- 43:11got after 2-3 weeks was a patent troll
- 43:13who sent us a trademark infringement
- 43:15letter, claiming illegal use of a
- 43:17trademark. They asked us for a few
- 43:19hundred thousand dollars. We were these
- 43:21penniless startup guys, not knowing
- 43:23what to do at all. We went to some
- 43:24experienced mentors. The mentors said:
- 43:26"Here is a lawyer for you." I show up
- 43:28on a Zoom with this lawyer. There was
- 43:30no Zoom back then, so on Skype with
- 43:32this lawyer. Sitting there is a man
- 43:35covered in gold, looking flashy, like
- 43:37Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad, and he
- 43:40says: "So, here's the deal, a $ 10,000
- 43:42retainer." He says: "$ 10,000," well,
- 43:46he was Russian but with an American
- 43:49accent. A retainer is a non-refundable
- 43:51deposit. Right. And only then will we
- 43:53talk. And with this exact intonation he
- 43:55says to me: "I've understood your
- 43:56situation up to this point. Overall,
- 43:57everything is clear to me." Well,
- 43:59something like that. Basically, he
- 44:00tells me: "Give me 10,000, and I won't
- 44:02promise you anything. Whether something
- 44:03comes of it or not, I don't know." For
- 44:05me, 10,000 dollars was a huge amount of
- 44:06money, and I didn't have it. So I poked
- 44:08around my friends and found this
- 44:09service called Priori Legal. What is
- 44:11that? It's an aggregator for lawyers
- 44:13that has a kind of office layer. You
- 44:17write up your case, there's a form
- 44:19where you check off your problem, and a
- 44:21text box where you write down what
- 44:22happened to you. And the office sorts
- 44:26through it—there were no AI tools
- 44:28back then. And it matches you with the
- 44:30best lawyers for your specific case.
- 44:32Uh-huh.
- 44:32Freelance lawyers. Those freelance
- 44:35lawyers each prepared a strategy to
- 44:37resolve my case. Well, each one did.
- 44:40They had hour-long calls with me and
- 44:41explained how they would handle it. All
- 44:43of that was free of charge. And then
- 44:45they offered, like, "I charge 150 an
- 44:47hour, I charge 200 an hour, I charge
- 44:50300.""Whichever of the three you liked
- 44:52best, just choose them and go work with
- 44:54them." And I was just blown away. I
- 44:57mean, by how quickly I received three
- 44:59legal opinions,
- 45:00with ready-made strategies right away.
- 45:02Technically, I could have gone and
- 45:03implemented them without them. But,
- 45:05yeah, it was pretty cool. So,
- 45:06Commitracker recognizes the tariff and
- 45:08margin. That's about analytics and ad
- 45:10autopilot. Listen, let's stop right
- 45:12here.
- 45:12It doesn't matter what the idea is,
- 45:14because the most important thing is
- 45:16that we can test 20 to 30 of them a
- 45:17month,
- 45:18right? But I'm saying that what's
- 45:19important right now is that we need to
- 45:21lock this in. We've got 5 to 10 really
- 45:23strong hypotheses here that, looking at
- 45:26them, I'm like, "Damn, this is great."
- 45:28FOMO, FOMO,
- 45:30honestly, maybe a little bit, maybe,
- 45:33maybe I should do it myself, maybe not
- 45:35release it to a third party, yeah,
- 45:37maybe not release this podcast episode
- 45:40and launch something myself, but
- 45:41we’ve started, and for me, this is a
- 45:44"wow." We’ve already come up with
- 45:46something really cool. That's it,
- 45:47we’re taking this one.
- 45:49This is where the magic happens. We
- 45:51just have an idea. And now we need to
- 45:53figure out the business model. Possibly
- 45:55, in which segment, with what
- 45:57monetization. There are different paths
- 45:58to take. We could attach ChatGPT so it
- 46:01generates the answers. We could create,
- 46:04I don't know, some kind of community.
- 46:07You could build a lawyer aggregator,
- 46:09there are many different ideas. Which
- 46:11one is best? And this is where I wanted
- 46:13to show you another part of the work,
- 46:15where we take an idea and flesh it out.
- 46:17Let’s do it.
- 46:18And what we need to do at this point—
- 46:20in real life, you have this idea, what
- 46:22would you do next? I would reach the
- 46:26target audience as quickly as possible.
- 46:29I’d go to some seller conference.
- 46:33I’d join some seller chat group that
- 46:35regularly meets up for a small fee at a
- 46:37hookah bar. Uh, what else? Well, I’d
- 46:43go to a seller training course, because
- 46:45there’s a seller community there.
- 46:48I’d start searching my professional
- 46:50network for those who sell on
- 46:51marketplaces. I’d get to the people
- 46:55who are doing this hands-on as fast as
- 46:56I could. And my task would be to
- 47:00validate the pain, to see if they
- 47:02actually have that problem. How would I
- 47:05do that? I have a cheat, I have this
- 47:08one question.
- 47:09Uh-huh.
- 47:09It goes like this: "Please rate from
- 47:11one to ten, how likely are you to pay
- 47:13to have this problem solved?" I’m not
- 47:15saying how I’ll solve it; I’m
- 47:16saying it will definitely be solved. It
- 47:18will definitely be profitable for you,
- 47:20it will definitely be convenient for
- 47:22you. I will fix it, because if your
- 47:23shoes are too tight or you have a
- 47:25toothache, you’ll say: "Yes, please,
- 47:27fix this."
- 47:28So, let's take that question about
- 47:30rating—if you are a seller, rate from
- 47:32one to ten the probability that you’d
- 47:34pay for this idea—send them 20 ideas
- 47:37and see which ideas...
- 47:39What 20 ideas to send? You have 20
- 47:41ideas, we need to understand which ones
- 47:43are cool. This question can be asked.
- 47:45We have several sets of 20 ideas, right
- 47:47?
- 47:47For any of them. I think we can try to
- 47:49find out which of the ideas is cool.
- 47:50Well, here are, in fact, the next steps
- 47:53that ChatGPT already suggested itself.
- 47:55Next steps. It suggests interviewing 25
- 47:57sellers at conferences and in chats to
- 48:00validate three pains from the list
- 48:02above. That's the main thing. And then
- 48:04take an MVP sprint, choose the idea
- 48:06with the highest buyability and ease of
- 48:09implementation. Uh, and it also
- 48:12suggested making a Telegram channel
- 48:14where you publicly describe how
- 48:15you’re building this thing, and
- 48:17collect a waitlist of people who want
- 48:19it. I already did that.
- 48:21Yes. Next, uh, anyway, there is
- 48:23literally, damn, it looks like we don't
- 48:26need to film the next episode. I just
- 48:28need to show you what’s on my screen
- 48:29right now. 20 to 50 pilot sellers with
- 48:32a nominal price. Next is unit economics
- 48:36. This might be unclear, what "less
- 48:39than 3pu" and "churn less than 5%" mean
- 48:43. But this is absolutely key. That is
- 48:47the whole point of what we are doing
- 48:48right now. Please, well, look into this
- 48:51or write it down. Again, we will still
- 48:53make a separate episode. That’s it,
- 48:56what metrics are needed for a seed
- 48:58investment round. Preparing for the
- 49:01round, what is written here, right
- 49:03before my eyes now, if someone had
- 49:05written this to me,
- 49:07and said: "Davy,
- 49:08when I was creating Retail Rocket, I
- 49:10would be significantly more successful
- 49:12and richer now." If someone had
- 49:14explained to me exactly what I needed
- 49:16to do with all these confusing
- 49:18abbreviations. This is incredibly
- 49:20important. Okay, well, fine. So, uh,
- 49:22I’m dictating a prompt here right now
- 49:25. Imagine you are a large focus group
- 49:28of marketplace sellers, representing
- 49:31100 people. Conduct all the interviews,
- 49:38describe the pain points for these 100
- 49:40people and survey each of them, asking
- 49:42the question: "On a scale of one to ten
- 49:44, how likely is each of them to pay for
- 49:46the solution to the problem you came up
- 49:49with?" and, uh, provide a list, uh, of
- 49:56these solutions, ideas for startups,
- 49:59sorted by the intensity of the pain
- 50:01discovered among the sellers. But this
- 50:05is a total game-changer, what’s going
- 50:07to happen now. I’ve done this a
- 50:10couple of times with hypotheses, when
- 50:12you assign it a role not as a single
- 50:14expert, you know, counterintuitive,
- 50:16multicultural, but when you tell it you
- 50:18are 100 people, you are a focus group.
- 50:22Okay, I’ll push this into all, uh,
- 50:24all channels now, into all three ideas,
- 50:27all three idea-hunting streams. Let’s
- 50:30see what we get, what’s happening
- 50:32with you. What’s happening is that
- 50:34I’m challenging this idea and filling
- 50:36it with different options. We’ll look
- 50:37at it now, because A
- 50:39scroll up, I’ll comment on it. What
- 50:40requests did you make, what did you
- 50:42actually do?
- 50:43Yes, what are we doing? We are putting
- 50:45it back into a role, the role of a
- 50:47product manager,
- 50:47right?
- 50:48Ah, and this is quite a large prompt.
- 50:50We will post it as well. There
- 50:52wow. That was a mile long for you.
- 50:54Of course, I try to make large, good
- 50:56instructions, because that’s what
- 50:58makes new models good: they know how to
- 51:00follow instructions. And at this point,
- 51:02I’m basically telling you that as
- 51:04Kolya Khlebinsky, try to figure out
- 51:06what different audiences exist,
- 51:08Uh-huh.
- 51:09that might find this interesting.
- 51:10Meaning, figure out what problems we
- 51:13are solving.
- 51:13Second, what this product approach is,
- 51:16when a smart product manager comes to
- 51:18you and says, "Okay, but what' jobs to
- 51:20be done 'are we solving here?" And you
- 51:22say, "No, I just want to make some
- 51:24money." So, accordingly, we ask it to
- 51:26play this smart product manager and say
- 51:28: "What roles are there, what consumers
- 51:30exist for this service, and what tasks
- 51:32do they want to solve?""A task" is
- 51:34actually what is usually written as the
- 51:36basis of an instruction, like, "I need
- 51:38to appeal fines quickly, within a week.
- 51:40"
- 51:41There. Next, an important question
- 51:43arises: how do we position this product
- 51:45? Is it as a debt collector, as an
- 51:47automation tool, or as a service that
- 51:49finds a good lawyer? We don't know. We
- 51:52want to sort that out. What will even
- 51:55go into our MVP? It could be some big
- 51:57platform, a small app, or a Telegram
- 51:59bot; we don't know what features should
- 52:01be inside, what the business model is,
- 52:03or what the revenue could be at all.
- 52:05These are all the questions that you
- 52:06and I understand perfectly, and we will
- 52:08actually pass this knowledge on to the
- 52:10viewers. This is vast entrepreneurial
- 52:12knowledge that we have been gathering
- 52:14for years. When I asked you what you
- 52:16would do, there’s another path where
- 52:18you call up an entrepreneur and say, "
- 52:20Listen, I have an idea, let's discuss
- 52:22it." And they sit down with you and
- 52:25start solving it on a napkin.
- 52:27I'll show you what I came up with while
- 52:28your processing is running. We imagined
- 52:33a focus group, described the pain
- 52:35points, and this service here, "
- 52:37Inventory Sinker," won.
- 52:41Uh-huh.
- 52:41So, I think this was about procurement,
- 52:44right? Uh, inventory synchronization.
- 52:47In short, this was our problem with...
- 52:49Let's find where it is. What service
- 52:53won here? Inventory Sinker, manual
- 52:55inventory management. Overselling, lost
- 52:58deals, dead stock. Centralized
- 53:00inventory management. Real-time
- 53:03cancellations and shipments. Yeah, this
- 53:05is about the warehouse. So, in your
- 53:07prompt, the warehouse won. Uh, in the
- 53:10prompt I suggested, there's a different
- 53:13model here. That was O4 Lite, this is
- 53:15O3.
- 53:16Uh-huh. Uh, the reasoning went
- 53:18differently here, so you need to use
- 53:20different requests for the same stories
- 53:22. Uh, here’s the category: uh, we had
- 53:2615 large sellers, 40 micro, 45
- 53:28mid-sized in the growth stage. Cashflow
- 53:32shield. Uh, every day without cash,
- 53:34sales come to a halt. Instant payouts.
- 53:37This is apparently, uh, some kind of
- 53:39factoring, something related to fintech
- 53:41.
- 53:41Loans, yes, secured by
- 53:43loans secured by sales already made.
- 53:46completed sales for which the money
- 53:47hasn’t arrived yet.
- 53:49I mean, we have reports that can be
- 53:51pulled via API from the Ozon or WB
- 53:53accounts regarding what was sold. We
- 53:55have redemption rates, we can forecast
- 53:57how much money will come and when, but
- 53:59the seller is actually waiting weeks
- 54:01for this money.
- 54:01And don't the zones provide this, or do
- 54:03they offer it at a high interest rate?
- 54:05To be honest, I don't know. I know that
- 54:07Ozon and Beris regularly change the
- 54:09rules of the game. Like, they said, for
- 54:11instance, we can do it once a week, now
- 54:14we do it once a month. And now we do it
- 54:17—and naturally, it says in the offer
- 54:20that they can delay it by 5 days past
- 54:22the deadline, and in reality, it turns
- 54:25into 10 or 15. And every couple of
- 54:30months, WB almost deliberately picks a
- 54:32cluster to delay payments to. They
- 54:35reimburse everything the following week
- 54:36, but I feel like they really play
- 54:38around with the money there. Yeah. Well
- 54:40, anyway, a fintech project won, which
- 54:42finances sellers against the guarantee
- 54:44of payouts from marketplaces that
- 54:46haven't happened yet. So, what else do
- 54:49we have here? Fines. Fines, billing
- 54:51errors, yes, just as I assumed, that
- 54:53also seems like a very cool story to me
- 54:56. Any seller, well, at least those I've
- 54:58spoken with, is willing to outsource
- 55:01their entire document flow with WB,
- 55:03lawsuits, pre-trial claims, or whatever
- 55:05, for a percentage of the fine—like
- 55:0810-20-30%of the recouped fine—because
- 55:10nobody wants to deal with it. Nobody
- 55:12has their own lawyer or a decent
- 55:14litigator. These are all very cool
- 55:17stories, and they are sorted and ready
- 55:19for implementation.
- 55:20Let me show you what we have now.
- 55:22Go ahead. Actually, I think we're done
- 55:24with the ideas, because these primary
- 55:26hypotheses were generated brilliantly.
- 55:28Let’s move on. What was happening
- 55:29here? Just tell me the structure of the
- 55:31content of this prompt. What’s in it?
- 55:34You could invite a really top-tier
- 55:36product manager from T-Bank or, I don't
- 55:38know, Avito, some really smart folks,
- 55:40and they would break it all down in
- 55:42detail and conduct research over three
- 55:44or four months.
- 55:45But
- 55:46in reality, all of this was done in a
- 55:48couple of minutes. So what did we do?
- 55:50We identified the main personas. Pro
- 55:52seller, and a mid-tier seller.
- 55:54Did you identify this, or did the AI do
- 55:56it? The AI did it. So you asked it to
- 55:57do that right away. I told you: "
- 55:59Identify the personas." Yes, that was
- 56:00your task. As a cool product manager,
- 56:02identify the personas, because there
- 56:03are different personas. So it
- 56:05identified the pro sellers,
- 56:06they have certain pain points, yes,
- 56:08there are small sellers, they have
- 56:09different pain points, and there are
- 56:11outsource agencies that manage many
- 56:13sellers.
- 56:13So, what else needs to be understood
- 56:15here is that both Artyom and I have a
- 56:17great deal of experience in product
- 56:19management. Yes,
- 56:21in product development. That's why the
- 56:23concept of a "persona" is built into us
- 56:25. When you see a checkmark, we were
- 56:28thinking about what our key target
- 56:30audience segments are, what their use
- 56:32cases for our product are, what their
- 56:34problems are, how they solve them, and
- 56:37what characterizes these personas.
- 56:39Those of you watching us now, well,
- 56:41maybe you haven't spent 15 years
- 56:43developing complex information systems.
- 56:46Maybe some, anyway, we'll just share
- 56:48the link to this dialogue as well. You
- 56:51can read it, if something is in English
- 56:53. You can tell ChatGPT to translate it
- 56:55if some term is unclear. You can copy
- 56:58it and say: "Explain.""I don't
- 56:59understand what this means." But
- 57:02overall, this is research work that
- 57:04precedes writing code or investing in a
- 57:07product so that we can guarantee a
- 57:08return on investment. It's worth noting
- 57:13here that it's a huge mistake not to do
- 57:15this when launching a startup. Because
- 57:17it happens like this: we come up with
- 57:19an idea, it pops into our head, it
- 57:21clicks, and that's it—we're wearing
- 57:22rose-colored glasses through which we
- 57:24look at the world, and no one can
- 57:26convince us that it's complete garbage.
- 57:29Except for the market, to which we
- 57:31bring a solution developed over several
- 57:33years, which turns out to be useless to
- 57:35everyone and for which nobody pays
- 57:37later. And we invested millions into it
- 57:40, either our own or our investors'. And
- 57:43since Artyom and I—I certainly have,
- 57:45and I suspect he has too—have built
- 57:48so many wonderful features that turned
- 57:50out to be completely useless. We burned
- 57:53so much money that we live by these
- 57:55practices to avoid wasting the most
- 57:57important thing. You have to remember
- 58:00that the scarcest resource in the IT
- 58:02business is developer resources,
- 58:04programmer hours. To avoid wasting them
- 58:06on nonsense and useless junk, all these
- 58:09studies are done. And this used to take
- 58:12months, but now it takes seconds.
- 58:15Yes. And I was talking with guys from
- 58:18one of the largest investment banks.
- 58:21They said they give test assignments
- 58:23for junior positions, where candidates
- 58:25need to research the airline market and
- 58:27solve a case study. They say that
- 58:31modern neural networks solve these
- 58:32cases better than university graduates.
- 58:36And for now, they are using them.
- 58:38Okay. So, good.
- 58:39So, what do we see here? We are
- 58:41starting to outline and detail our
- 58:43sketch
- 58:44Uh-huh.
- 58:45into a very clear system, right? So,
- 58:48what does our product look like? It's a
- 58:51one-click, one-click appeal, uh, and it
- 58:57has built-in tariff reconciliation, and
- 58:59it includes some form of pricing.
- 59:03Notice that the system immediately
- 59:05compared it with some competitors.
- 59:08Maybe these data points aren't accurate
- 59:10, and I apologize to the guys if the
- 59:12data is incorrect, though. But
- 59:14regardless, it presented competitors
- 59:16and analogues we could work with in
- 59:18this way, highlighting Excel as the
- 59:20primary one. Next, the next part is the
- 59:23product roadmap.
- 59:24Uh-huh.
- 59:25Here we see the engineer's hours. We
- 59:27move on to the business model options.
- 59:30It could be a percentage of the refund,
- 59:33a fixed fee, a connection fee for the
- 59:35system, or a hybrid model where you
- 59:37provide the service for 10,000 rubles.
- 59:40And additionally, you get a percentage
- 59:42of the recovered penalties.
- 59:44By the way, I just said that sellers
- 59:46are ready to pay 20%of recovered
- 59:48penalties without any issues. And that
- 59:50is the primary business model. I also
- 59:53see that the target customer
- 59:54acquisition cost is calculated here at
- 59:576,000 rubles. And the lifetime, that is
- 1:00:00the customer lifetime, is 12 months.
- 1:00:03And how much money do we plan to
- 1:00:05receive? The only thing I don't like is
- 1:00:08the 15-day payback. That I don't like,
- 1:00:13because on the right, the payback is
- 1:00:150.5 months. I think that's wrong.
- 1:00:19Although
- 1:00:19it suggests starting with a test. For a
- 1:00:21te-No, for a test, that's very cool,
- 1:00:23isn't it? So it says that
- 1:00:24for scaling, it's bad,
- 1:00:26right? Publish information about the
- 1:00:28service on the WB Insights channel. It
- 1:00:30suggests what the price should be there
- 1:00:32and how many leads you'll attract. With
- 1:00:33a 12%conversion rate. That seems
- 1:00:35plausible.
- 1:00:36Yes, yes, yes. It's a ready-made first
- 1:00:38step for marketing right here.
- 1:00:40Honestly, I'm launching an IT startup
- 1:00:42in Chartrack, a SaaS, myself right now.
- 1:00:45Uh, I was doing all of this too. But my
- 1:00:47approach isn't like Artyom's. I see
- 1:00:49what I'll be doing with my startup
- 1:00:51tonight after recording this podcast
- 1:00:53because this is cool,
- 1:00:55yes, the go-to-market strategy is
- 1:00:57already written out. And this is the
- 1:00:58thing you can take and start working
- 1:01:00with immediately. So, we just had an
- 1:01:02idea that we didn't quite know how to
- 1:01:04approach. That is the biggest challenge
- 1:01:06of all. You sit there thinking: "What
- 1:01:08if it doesn't work out?""And so on."
- 1:01:10But it could actually work, right? I
- 1:01:12mean, we know there's a 10-15%chance of
- 1:01:14success. That's perfectly fine; we can
- 1:01:16proceed down this path. And we both
- 1:01:18understand that this is a reasonable
- 1:01:20price and a solid model. There. And
- 1:01:22what we can do next. Look, here is
- 1:01:24what’s missing. All of this is still
- 1:01:26just internet archives. All of this is
- 1:01:28just some brother's advice. And we both
- 1:01:32know that, uh, there's nothing more
- 1:01:34daunting, and yet more useful, than
- 1:01:36advice from some expert.
- 1:01:38Oh, by the way, it’s here,
- 1:01:40yes,
- 1:01:41uh, in this roadmap for hitting revenue
- 1:01:44. A 6-month horizon, 6 months to
- 1:01:47revenue, 3-4 million rubles. And it's
- 1:01:49explicitly stated right here. Okay.
- 1:01:51Yes,
- 1:01:52in 6 months he plans to reach it. Right
- 1:01:54, okay, I interrupted you. Continue
- 1:01:56your thought.
- 1:01:57Yes, the important thing here is, and
- 1:02:01you know there are these experts who
- 1:02:03say: "Nothing will work for you, that
- 1:02:05doesn't work." I came to you once,
- 1:02:07asking: "What’s the maximum I can
- 1:02:09make in my service?""You gave me an
- 1:02:11estimate three times higher than what I
- 1:02:13had projected." Well, time passed, and
- 1:02:14we made four times more than you
- 1:02:16predicted, and 12 times more than I had
- 1:02:18predicted.
- 1:02:19Listen, here is how I view that.
- 1:02:21I had a situation once when I was
- 1:02:22launching Rocket, when we were at the
- 1:02:24very beginning. I approached a very
- 1:02:26prominent industry expert, someone we
- 1:02:28have both known for years. I explained
- 1:02:30the idea to him. I told him we were
- 1:02:32building this specific thing. He tells
- 1:02:33me: "Listen, nothing is going to work
- 1:02:35out for you." And I started arguing
- 1:02:36back with foam at the mouth. "No, look,
- 1:02:38I did it this way, and that way." Right
- 1:02:40. And he says: "Actually, that was a
- 1:02:42test.""If you had just given up
- 1:02:43immediately and said, 'Oh well, never
- 1:02:45mind.'""And walked away, then you
- 1:02:46definitely wouldn't have succeeded.""
- 1:02:47But if you're ready to defend your
- 1:02:49position with such energy after being
- 1:02:50told you’ll fail, then go ahead and
- 1:02:52do it, because nobody knows if you'll
- 1:02:54succeed or not."
- 1:02:54Nobody knows. Nobody knows. There. But
- 1:02:58pay attention to the fact that, uh,
- 1:03:00there are always these little hooks you
- 1:03:02give yourself,
- 1:03:04yes,
- 1:03:05like certain conditions under which
- 1:03:06this can be done,
- 1:03:07yeah. Like, I don't know, could Ufa win
- 1:03:11the Russian championship next year?
- 1:03:13Maybe, if they, I don't know, bolster
- 1:03:15the team with five strikers, if their
- 1:03:17training process changes, and so on.
- 1:03:20Some, like the movie Everything
- 1:03:21Everywhere All at Once, if you haven't
- 1:03:23seen it, watch it. It’s practically a
- 1:03:24documentary, everything is described
- 1:03:26there.
- 1:03:26There. And here, everything is
- 1:03:28described as well. Will we be able to
- 1:03:29consistently recover 60%of fines or not
- 1:03:31without manual verification? If that's
- 1:03:33required, then our service won't be as
- 1:03:35good.
- 1:03:35All of this is described. And now we
- 1:03:38move on to another tool, because what
- 1:03:40we just did is expert knowledge. But we
- 1:03:42need to get knowledge from the internet
- 1:03:44, preferably all of it. Because if
- 1:03:47sellers have an open vacancy for a
- 1:03:49lawyer,
- 1:03:51some discussions in open chats,
- 1:03:53yes, and forum threads, an article on
- 1:03:55VC, and so on—all this evidence of
- 1:03:57how it's structured, we need to gather
- 1:04:00it all. Ideally, if you and I have come
- 1:04:03up with something, if we got fired up
- 1:04:05about this idea,
- 1:04:07Uh-huh.
- 1:04:07you need to spend another week so that
- 1:04:09you can approach it later with a cool
- 1:04:11head. Not to jump into business
- 1:04:12hot-headed, but with a cool head, spend
- 1:04:14the time, yes, set it aside, spend the
- 1:04:16time
- 1:04:17to study it. To be honest, regarding
- 1:04:18the projects I have in development
- 1:04:20right now, I’m already itching to run
- 1:04:22off and do it, rather than wait a week.
- 1:04:24I don’t understand how to do that
- 1:04:25right now.
- 1:04:25So, there is a main tool, and it is
- 1:04:27available in the free version. It is
- 1:04:29the DeepSearch tool. We are now going
- 1:04:31to, unfortunately, just for 5 minutes,
- 1:04:33launch a big, big research project. Uh,
- 1:04:36I'll send this prompt again, and we
- 1:04:38will, uh, launch DeepSearch, we’ll
- 1:04:40launch a deep search across the entire
- 1:04:43internet to find all the information on
- 1:04:45this topic. We’ll literally dive into
- 1:04:47every nook and cranny. I’ll do that
- 1:04:50right here, right now.
- 1:04:51Well, are you ready to share all of
- 1:04:53this? Uh,
- 1:04:54there's nothing wrong with that. Anyone
- 1:04:55can do all of this.
- 1:04:56Friends, hello. So, how did you like
- 1:04:58this episode? I just rewatched it
- 1:05:00before publishing. We’re making final
- 1:05:02edits. Man, it’s just mind-blowing. I
- 1:05:06will post all the prompts, all the
- 1:05:08requests to the neural networks that we
- 1:05:10used, in one file on my Telegram
- 1:05:12channel as soon as the video reaches
- 1:05:14either 3,000 comments or 3,000 likes.
- 1:05:19So, if you need these materials, please
- 1:05:21hit the like button, leave a meaningful
- 1:05:24comment, and below this video, there is
- 1:05:26a link to my Telegram channel.
- 1:05:29Subscribe, all materials will be there.
- 1:05:31Alright, let's continue watching.
- 1:05:34It asks: "Are you sure you want to
- 1:05:36verify this problem?" Yes, that's it.
- 1:05:39It clarifies: "Which competitors should
- 1:05:41I include?" Decide for yourself. And
- 1:05:44the preferred language is, of course,
- 1:05:47Russian. Oh, look for more. Although we
- 1:05:54could look at the international market.
- 1:05:55And so the research begins; it will
- 1:05:57take some time now.
- 1:05:59Uh-huh. Good. I'll show you a use case
- 1:06:02that became a turning point for me. My
- 1:06:05world was turned upside down, and I
- 1:06:07realized that the world has changed. It
- 1:06:09will never be the same again. When I
- 1:06:12made this request, well, I'm subscribed
- 1:06:15to an aviation page. I am into civil
- 1:06:18aviation. I'm interested in everything
- 1:06:20related to planes, how they work, and
- 1:06:22airports. And there was a poll there.
- 1:06:25Just from this photo, write what kind
- 1:06:27of airport this is. To figure out what
- 1:06:32To figure out what airport this is from
- 1:06:34a photo is impossible. I searched
- 1:06:37Google, looked through several dozen,
- 1:06:39maybe 40 thousand airports in the world
- 1:06:41.
- 1:06:42All over the world.
- 1:06:43It is impossible to tell what airport
- 1:06:45this is. And basically, tell me which
- 1:06:47airport is in this photo. So, I am told
- 1:06:50that it is Gatwick Airport. I go check,
- 1:06:54yeah, it took 49 seconds. Uh-huh.
- 1:06:58I go to Google Maps and see that it
- 1:07:00also seems to have two runways, but
- 1:07:02those two runways are parallel to each
- 1:07:04other. Here you can see that this
- 1:07:08runway starts further away, and this
- 1:07:10one starts later. But at Gatwick, the
- 1:07:12two are right next to each other, their
- 1:07:14start and end points are practically
- 1:07:15identical.
- 1:07:16And so I tell it: "This is incorrect.
- 1:07:18At Gatwick Airport, both runways have
- 1:07:20the same start and practically the same
- 1:07:22end." In the photo, you can see that
- 1:07:23the start and end are offset relative
- 1:07:24to each other. Think again. It
- 1:07:28immediately finds the correct airport.
- 1:07:31How did it happen from such an angle?
- 1:07:33Here you and I,
- 1:07:36people who deal with data analysis and
- 1:07:39data monetization, would have had to
- 1:07:41input entities like runway start,
- 1:07:43runway end, runway parallelism, as
- 1:07:46factors, forests, houses. How can this
- 1:07:50even be analyzed? Because it was
- 1:07:52looking at satellite images, probably
- 1:07:53from above. And creating this with
- 1:07:57previous-generation approaches was...
- 1:08:00And when I saw that it happened in 2
- 1:08:02minutes by a machine with a very
- 1:08:04abstract request and very abstract
- 1:08:06input data, it just blew my mind. That
- 1:08:08was the moment I realized that
- 1:08:10everything, the world would never be
- 1:08:11the same again. A very non-obvious use
- 1:08:13case. It probably won't be useful for
- 1:08:16many people in life, for those watching
- 1:08:18us, but the level of complexity of the
- 1:08:20technologies that can do this is just,
- 1:08:22well, off the charts. How far have we
- 1:08:24come?
- 1:08:25You can send a photo, I don't know, of
- 1:08:27a person who took a picture somewhere
- 1:08:29for an avatar and ask where the photo
- 1:08:31was taken. And you can figure out where
- 1:08:34they live. Streamers who play these
- 1:08:35games, when a photo is shown to them
- 1:08:37for 3 seconds, they mark on the map
- 1:08:39where it is taking place. There. Yes.
- 1:08:41That's it,
- 1:08:42yes,
- 1:08:42that is already a product there. With
- 1:08:44what you are doing now, what will be
- 1:08:46the end result of it? I mean, that
- 1:08:48product research has been conducted,
- 1:08:50the work of a product owner, product
- 1:08:52director, product manager has been done
- 1:08:54—the person who is responsible for
- 1:08:56ensuring that the software code written
- 1:08:59with developers brings value to someone
- 1:09:01, is in demand, and is needed. I see
- 1:09:03that something grandiose is being done
- 1:09:05there.
- 1:09:05What are we going to do now? We will
- 1:09:07look into all, all, all, all the
- 1:09:09details, into all the most detailed
- 1:09:12corners of the internet. We will
- 1:09:14collect all information about
- 1:09:16Wildberries fines, we will get into
- 1:09:17Wildberries itself, we will get into
- 1:09:19negative reviews on Yandex Market, and
- 1:09:21somewhere else. From this, we will
- 1:09:23structure it more and challenge our
- 1:09:25idea. From it, we will assemble not
- 1:09:27some hallucination from a neural
- 1:09:29network, not some fragmentary data of
- 1:09:31ours, but a complete snapshot of what
- 1:09:33is happening in the world according to
- 1:09:35this data. And we will already have a
- 1:09:37completely ready-made guide with market
- 1:09:39research. I mean, what we are doing now
- 1:09:41, we are doing a full-fledged, most
- 1:09:43detailed market research, which,
- 1:09:45honestly, why didn't entrepreneurs do
- 1:09:47it before? Because it is expensive. But
- 1:09:49in reality, when some P&G launches a
- 1:09:51new product or someone launches a new
- 1:09:53type of chocolate, they actually take
- 1:09:55and survey a thousand people: "what do
- 1:09:57you need?""how is it structured?"—
- 1:09:59then they say: "In St. Petersburg, they
- 1:10:00like these kinds of chocolates, in
- 1:10:02Yekaterinburg, they like these kinds of
- 1:10:03chocolates, and so on." There. And we
- 1:10:05really should conduct this research. So
- 1:10:07, what you said, that you will do, you
- 1:10:08will go to a conference, you will be
- 1:10:09collecting all this information. And
- 1:10:11that is what we are doing now. This is
- 1:10:12a big, big prompt.
- 1:10:14We are trying to understand the market
- 1:10:16size, we will try to understand some
- 1:10:18main competitors, what they have, how
- 1:10:20they use it, we will pull out pieces of
- 1:10:22information from the internet, all the
- 1:10:24reviews, and so on. We will collect
- 1:10:26everything now. And then we will have
- 1:10:28full coverage of the pain points. We
- 1:10:29need to understand that despite there
- 1:10:30being competitors—and there certainly
- 1:10:32are—how can we differentiate from
- 1:10:33them? What should the product be to
- 1:10:35successfully break into the market?
- 1:10:36That is the most important thing. If a
- 1:10:38market exists, that’s great. See, he
- 1:10:40is currently studying a competitor's
- 1:10:41website.
- 1:10:42Studying the AUDB website.
- 1:10:43auditv.ru, which, as I understand, does
- 1:10:46the same thing,
- 1:10:47yes,
- 1:10:48what hypothesis have we chosen now?
- 1:10:50What positioning should we create to
- 1:10:51break into the market and stand out?
- 1:10:53And after this, what we are doing with
- 1:10:55you now, once we get all this
- 1:10:56information and facts, we will ask
- 1:10:58ChatGPT to write a complete guide for
- 1:11:00the developers, and we will launch it.
- 1:11:02So, we are literally 5-10 minutes away
- 1:11:04from having a product. Awesome. We just
- 1:11:06need to understand.
- 1:11:07Should we launch it as a low-code
- 1:11:08solution, or
- 1:11:09will we include it in a low-code build?
- 1:11:10Yes, a low-code build. Using Cursor
- 1:11:12will take a bit longer. It will be
- 1:11:14higher quality, but it will take longer
- 1:11:16. Well, basically, to launch, create a
- 1:11:18landing page, and start a prototype of
- 1:11:20the product with a demo account where
- 1:11:23people can log in,
- 1:11:24there won't be any problems.
- 1:11:27Moreover, when all of this is done, in
- 1:11:30fact, what will I, as an entrepreneur,
- 1:11:32do next? My mind is already on the next
- 1:11:36step. I will find one lawyer, run some
- 1:11:39test ad campaigns, collect leads, and
- 1:11:42explain to them what we want to do.
- 1:11:45I’ll find one lawyer who, manually
- 1:11:48and on the fly, will go through the
- 1:11:50process so that we can pass the fork we
- 1:11:53had—recovering 60%of fines,
- 1:11:55yes, and for 20%I’ll put the unit
- 1:11:57economics together. And after that, I
- 1:11:59won't be building a complex platform or
- 1:12:01complex code. I’ll create a landing
- 1:12:03page that collects leads. And it will
- 1:12:04all be done very quickly and cheaply.
- 1:12:06And this will be the first iteration,
- 1:12:08the first approach to the business. I
- 1:12:11think the problem with these fines is
- 1:12:13very relevant right now, because
- 1:12:15Wildberries and Ozon, firstly, often
- 1:12:17fine sellers unreasonably, and secondly
- 1:12:19, they are raising commissions, so the
- 1:12:22fight for efficiency and business
- 1:12:24economics is really important. There.
- 1:12:27But it's unclear what to do about it.
- 1:12:30Maybe an intellectual property
- 1:12:31protection product could be added here
- 1:12:33next. That’s also a very pressing
- 1:12:36issue. They copy content, they copy
- 1:12:39products, they copy texts, photos—
- 1:12:41everything, so in general, we need to
- 1:12:44protect it. Especially the Chinese
- 1:12:48sellers; on Ozon, already 20%of sellers
- 1:12:51in 2024 have crossed the 20th
- 1:12:53percentile, meaning 20%plus of sellers
- 1:12:56on Ozon today, are Chinese. That’s
- 1:13:01100,000 plus sellers. On Amazon, right
- 1:13:04now at the time of recording this
- 1:13:07podcast, 50%of the top sellers are from
- 1:13:09China. They are located in China. A
- 1:13:13good friend of mine was launching his
- 1:13:16project into the international market,
- 1:13:18and he was competing with the Chinese,
- 1:13:20and he said, "It's a completely
- 1:13:21different level of competition because
- 1:13:24you release a product, you get 10
- 1:13:25negative reviews instantly, and it's
- 1:13:27like, you know, playing a video game on
- 1:13:29Nightmare mode."
- 1:13:32And that's exactly what competing with
- 1:13:34the Chinese is like. But what I want to
- 1:13:36say is that it's not a competition,
- 1:13:37well, I mean, that's not what I'm
- 1:13:39talking about. I'm talking about how
- 1:13:40they copy all the content, the listings
- 1:13:42, and start selling what you're selling
- 1:13:44. On Ozon, I think there's even a
- 1:13:47feature to make a copy. So you can
- 1:13:49legally make a copy of the content
- 1:13:51yourself, entirely,
- 1:13:53of anything at all, and plug it into
- 1:13:54your own listing. They use this with
- 1:13:57pleasure, and blocking them takes some
- 1:13:59time. Moreover, for every block, you
- 1:14:01have to submit a ton of documents to
- 1:14:03tech support, which will then review
- 1:14:05everything for 10-20 days. So far, of
- 1:14:07course, this hasn't led to anything.
- 1:14:10Their sales are small, shipping is long
- 1:14:12, but it's clear that this is changing,
- 1:14:14that in America, it's already been
- 1:14:15Yeah.
- 1:14:16working for a long time. So, we are
- 1:14:18slowly heading in that direction too.
- 1:14:21Therefore, the fight for efficiency
- 1:14:24will intensify, and competition will
- 1:14:26increase. And you have to deal with
- 1:14:28these penalties. Let me tell you what
- 1:14:30happens next. So, next, once we've
- 1:14:32collected all the information,
- 1:14:33the product manager comes in and
- 1:14:36does this meticulous, hard work.
- 1:14:38Everyone thinks that being a product
- 1:14:40manager is a cool job. You'll be
- 1:14:41drinking smoothies and all that. In
- 1:14:43reality, there's a lot of
- 1:14:44responsibility, because you're actually
- 1:14:47providing the inputs that the most
- 1:14:48expensive resource in development then
- 1:14:51uses. And to do this, you need to take
- 1:14:53a few steps. I've been studying product
- 1:14:56management for 15 years, and I'd like
- 1:14:58to share some practices here. First,
- 1:15:00you need to clearly define the personas
- 1:15:02you are working with once again. Who
- 1:15:04they're also often called avatars,
- 1:15:06right,
- 1:15:07yes. Who exactly are the people who
- 1:15:09will buy your product and use it? A
- 1:15:11good example here is when you look at
- 1:15:13children's cartoons; they are
- 1:15:14completely different. Some are for
- 1:15:16girls, others are for dreamers, others
- 1:15:19for nerdy kids, and so on. This is also
- 1:15:22called target audience segments,
- 1:15:24representatives of the target audience
- 1:15:26who are described by certain
- 1:15:27characteristics. Here on the screen, I
- 1:15:29see you have characteristics:
- 1:15:31demographics, goals, motivation, pain
- 1:15:33points,
- 1:15:34yes,
- 1:15:36uh, technology immersion, that is,
- 1:15:39technological literacy, and typical
- 1:15:41usage scenarios for a specific user.
- 1:15:46Next, when we provide this product,
- 1:15:48people use it to do specific work,
- 1:15:51especially in B2B.
- 1:15:53Uh-huh.
- 1:15:53I mean, we all come to work, we have
- 1:15:55job descriptions and responsibilities,
- 1:15:57and we carry out these tasks.
- 1:15:58Accordingly, for our service, we need
- 1:16:01to clearly write down what task it
- 1:16:03solves, for which users, maybe reports,
- 1:16:05reimbursed expenses, and so on.
- 1:16:07Jobs to be Done is a very popular
- 1:16:09framework. You can definitely look up
- 1:16:11what that is. If you have never heard
- 1:16:13this phrase before, "Jobs to be Done,"
- 1:16:16just Google it or ask ChatGPT to
- 1:16:18explain what it is, dive into it. This
- 1:16:22will help make your product much more
- 1:16:24attractive to your clients.
- 1:16:28Then, once we’ve learned this, we
- 1:16:30must understand how we position our
- 1:16:32product among many others.
- 1:16:34This is, in short, an interesting point
- 1:16:37. Many think that marketing is about "
- 1:16:44buying traffic," getting some blogger,
- 1:16:46buying stories, or going out to buy
- 1:16:48outdoor advertising, or ordering
- 1:16:50something on TV during prime time, in
- 1:16:52the break between the halves of the
- 1:16:54World Cup final match—putting your ad
- 1:16:57there. That's marketing. No, marketing
- 1:17:04is the art of creating rankings where
- 1:17:06your company is in first place. And
- 1:17:11what makes you unique? What is your USP
- 1:17:14, your unique selling proposition?
- 1:17:16Unique value proposition. And here, it
- 1:17:19says "value proposition." What value do
- 1:17:22you bring to clients, and why should
- 1:17:24they choose you over anyone else? If
- 1:17:28the answer to this question is "I'm
- 1:17:30cheaper," you might as well give up,
- 1:17:32because whoever sells cheaper is
- 1:17:33essentially competing on price. Well,
- 1:17:36in price competition, the one with the
- 1:17:38higher purchasing power wins. And you
- 1:17:40can only earn something there on very
- 1:17:42large volumes.
- 1:17:43Yes, that's where economies of scale
- 1:17:45come into play.
- 1:17:46And
- 1:17:46the answer to the question "In what are
- 1:17:48you number one?" is also relevant for
- 1:17:50your clients. It is relevant for your
- 1:17:53employees and for candidates coming to
- 1:17:55work for you. Why—why are you number
- 1:17:58one as an employer? If you have an
- 1:18:01answer to this question, you will get
- 1:18:03cheaper staff, and you will get more
- 1:18:04qualified staff. For investors, for
- 1:18:07shareholders, yes, for everyone—even
- 1:18:10for the country. Why should the country
- 1:18:14, the government, or a tax inspector
- 1:18:16support you as a business, or whoever
- 1:18:18decides whether to give you IT company
- 1:18:21status and provide you with tax breaks
- 1:18:23or not? Why? A good answer to this
- 1:18:27question will help you everywhere.
- 1:18:29Next, once we have determined this, we
- 1:18:31need to understand what requirements
- 1:18:34our product has, what functions it
- 1:18:36performs, and what it can do. Well, for
- 1:18:38instance, authorization, the simplest
- 1:18:40version, role management, some key
- 1:18:42functionality in the dashboard, and so
- 1:18:44on.
- 1:18:44Then, basically, we move on to
- 1:18:45technical details for the developers
- 1:18:47about what exactly needs to be
- 1:18:48implemented. Business stakeholders
- 1:18:50usually don't think about this.
- 1:18:51Typically, a business stakeholder says:
- 1:18:53"Give me the moon from the sky." But
- 1:18:55they don't specify what size, what
- 1:18:57color, or where to put it. The
- 1:18:58developer has to come up with all of
- 1:19:00that themselves. Then, they present
- 1:19:02their vision to the business
- 1:19:03stakeholder. The business stakeholder
- 1:19:05looks at it and says: "Listen, that's
- 1:19:07not what I wanted at all, go redo it
- 1:19:09because I don't like it." Again,
- 1:19:12without diving into specific
- 1:19:13requirements, the developer fixes it
- 1:19:15based on their own understanding. This
- 1:19:18is endless, and in the meantime, they
- 1:19:20are given other similar tasks from
- 1:19:21other departments in the company.
- 1:19:23Without anything being defined, changes
- 1:19:25are requested, and it all snowballs. As
- 1:19:27a result, we end up with paralyzed IT,
- 1:19:30where anyone approaching the
- 1:19:31development team gets the answer: "We
- 1:19:34can take this on in a year at best."
- 1:19:37Our task queue is
- 1:19:39so long that we cannot take yours on.
- 1:19:41Nobody is getting anything done, nobody
- 1:19:44is getting anything, except for what
- 1:19:46they call HIPPO. Highest-Paid Person's
- 1:19:48Opinion. Meaning, the person who earns
- 1:19:50the most in the organization can walk
- 1:19:52up to the developers and say: "Drop
- 1:19:54everything you have in the queue and do
- 1:19:56this." And so the queue is not for the
- 1:19:58developers, but for these people. You
- 1:20:00have to prove why something needs to be
- 1:20:02done now to push the queue further. To
- 1:20:05prevent this, to avoid useless work, we
- 1:20:08describe requirements in detail. As
- 1:20:13Pavel Alferov once said—he is a
- 1:20:15professor at Skolkovo who teaches
- 1:20:17project management.
- 1:20:19He has this catchphrase, well, it's a
- 1:20:21catchphrase for me, I keep repeating it
- 1:20:23. The most terrible thing that can
- 1:20:25happen to a project manager is to make
- 1:20:27a project that nobody needs. And in the
- 1:20:29story I just told, the business
- 1:20:31stakeholder receives a product they
- 1:20:33don't need. This means the project
- 1:20:35management was done terribly, and we
- 1:20:37are excluding that here. Is the result
- 1:20:39there? Let's check. Yes, everything is
- 1:20:42there. And we won't even look at it
- 1:20:44right now.
- 1:20:45Yeah, there is a mile-long study here
- 1:20:47that you guys will look at later. We
- 1:20:49won't overwhelm you with it. The point
- 1:20:53is that some incredible magic happened
- 1:20:55here. Here, an analysis of dozens of
- 1:21:00sources on the internet has been
- 1:21:02performed, from which all information
- 1:21:04was gathered and a bunch of conclusions
- 1:21:06drawn; now we are asking to apply these
- 1:21:08conclusions to a product development
- 1:21:10framework. Which, by the way, can be
- 1:21:15done by simply copying and pasting the
- 1:21:17prompt you'll see.
- 1:21:18Look, this part is important, right?
- 1:21:20Let's go through what we did in order.
- 1:21:21We looked at the ideas, scored which
- 1:21:23one was interesting, then challenged it
- 1:21:25. We found a business model, meaning we
- 1:21:28took a seed of an idea and grew a
- 1:21:29flower to see what it might look like.
- 1:21:31Uh-huh.
- 1:21:32After that, we went and conducted
- 1:21:34research on whether this flower is
- 1:21:36valuable in the market or not. Now we
- 1:21:39say: "Okay, let's now, on the basis of
- 1:21:42this, uh, beautiful idea, make a
- 1:21:46product, let's plant a big garden."
- 1:21:48What could it look like? A garden made
- 1:21:50of these flowers. And I am writing the
- 1:21:52following task for it. I will give you,
- 1:21:54I will give you a template—the
- 1:21:56professional term is Product
- 1:21:58Requirements Document. These are
- 1:21:59product requirements, a "TZ" in Russian
- 1:22:01. Without a "TZ"[spec], you'll get "who
- 1:22:03knows what." Just like you were saying
- 1:22:05before.
- 1:22:05Without a spec, the result is "who
- 1:22:06knows what."
- 1:22:07Yes. Yes. The only thing is, when I
- 1:22:09have time, I'll definitely sit down and
- 1:22:11try to collect all the artifacts of the
- 1:22:13Soviet engineering school, because a
- 1:22:15huge number of things and studies that
- 1:22:17are being done were brilliantly
- 1:22:19described in the format of NIRs, OKRs,
- 1:22:21and so on. I—I studied at Phystech.
- 1:22:23And I...We laughed because Artyom told
- 1:22:27a joke at the beginning. He says: "What
- 1:22:29should I tell about myself?" I start
- 1:22:31listing, and I say: "Well, definitely
- 1:22:33say that you are from Phystech, because
- 1:22:35you know how to tell if a person is a
- 1:22:37vegan or if they studied at Phystech?"
- 1:22:39He says: "How?""Well, they'll tell you
- 1:22:41about it themselves for sure."
- 1:22:43Yes, I waited for 2 hours,
- 1:22:45it slipped out, I had to say it. It
- 1:22:47slipped out, yes. And I worked with our
- 1:22:50greatest engineers who created, I don't
- 1:22:52know, Russia's air defense protection.
- 1:22:55Some of them worked with Nobel
- 1:22:57laureates, and their culture is
- 1:22:59magnificent. So, the product culture we
- 1:23:01have now, which all IT people are proud
- 1:23:03of, no, it is, well, still quite
- 1:23:05youthful.
- 1:23:06It goes back even 300 years. It's a
- 1:23:08whole,
- 1:23:09yes,
- 1:23:10field of knowledge that, it seems to me
- 1:23:12, is somehow neglected, or something,
- 1:23:15and, uh, underestimated. Because if we
- 1:23:18were to train the model, say, on all
- 1:23:20the literature on TRIZ and apply it
- 1:23:22somewhere to our prompts about niche
- 1:23:24ideas, there would also be a lot more
- 1:23:27value-driven offshoots there.
- 1:23:29We launched de Persch. Right now, I’m
- 1:23:34giving him the format for market
- 1:23:36research requirements, as well as this
- 1:23:38big study we completed, which is the
- 1:23:40result of our challenge. Basically,
- 1:23:43I’m feeding him everything we did
- 1:23:45before and telling him: "Create a
- 1:23:46document for me." We already have the
- 1:23:48landing page ready. So, listen,
- 1:23:49everything is being recorded.
- 1:23:51What did you just do?
- 1:23:54I passed him the product description.
- 1:23:58The product description. He just came
- 1:24:00up with a product description and
- 1:24:02defined the avatars,
- 1:24:03right?
- 1:24:04He prepared the USP for them
- 1:24:06immediately. So, in essence, the
- 1:24:09marketing packaging for the business
- 1:24:11model we just invented has been
- 1:24:13completed. Well, not invented by us,
- 1:24:15but this is what's called vibe-coding.
- 1:24:17We just vibe-coded it.
- 1:24:18Let's try using a more powerful model
- 1:24:20now, because it can think through the
- 1:24:21details more thoroughly. And after that
- 1:24:23, we will take all these product
- 1:24:25requirements—you see them forming—
- 1:24:27and feed them into the vibe-coding tool
- 1:24:32, and it will build us a quick
- 1:24:34prototype.
- 1:24:34Yes. So, next, we’re going to use a
- 1:24:37tool called Lovable. It’s making a
- 1:24:43lot of noise in the US market right now
- 1:24:45, because it's one of the champions—
- 1:24:47this company is one of the champions in
- 1:24:49revenue growth rate, in terms of
- 1:24:51monthly recurring revenue. I mean, it
- 1:24:58took them something like 8 or 10 months
- 1:25:00to reach 10 million in monthly revenue.
- 1:25:03And that’s almost an absolute record.
- 1:25:05We’ll show you why right now. Just
- 1:25:07look at what he’s doing. He’s
- 1:25:09writing out the product in full detail,
- 1:25:11covering every aspect. Yes,
- 1:25:13the functionality is described right
- 1:25:14here. I see CSV file uploads,
- 1:25:17yes,
- 1:25:18from the Ozon personal account.
- 1:25:21And he goes on to score the
- 1:25:22functionality to determine which
- 1:25:24features should come first and which
- 1:25:25second.
- 1:25:26Yes,
- 1:25:27the information architecture is laid
- 1:25:29out here, and the detailed user flow is
- 1:25:31included. There.
- 1:25:32But the thing is, you still need to
- 1:25:33understand all of this, of course. We
- 1:25:35started by saying you won't need a
- 1:25:37super-expert, just an AI. But honestly,
- 1:25:39without 15 years of experience in
- 1:25:41product and software development,
- 1:25:43everything you’re doing now wouldn't
- 1:25:45be possible. One can repeat after you.
- 1:25:48One can repeat after me,
- 1:25:49but coming up with these prompts,
- 1:25:51knowing which ones are good, and
- 1:25:53stitching these tools together like
- 1:25:55this—it still feels impossible for
- 1:25:57most.
- 1:25:58I have a good friend of mine. Uh,
- 1:26:01but one can repeat after us. You can
- 1:26:03build a billion-dollar business. And
- 1:26:06a Muslim, he told me—he said, "How is
- 1:26:08it done in Islam? So, first you spend
- 1:26:1020 years growing up, listening to your
- 1:26:12parents and helping them, then the next
- 1:26:1520 years you create something in the
- 1:26:17world, and after that, you teach others
- 1:26:19. We’re turning 40 soon, and I think
- 1:26:21it’s time to start teaching others.
- 1:26:23When we were young, we couldn't even
- 1:26:25add two plus two. If only someone had
- 1:26:27explained that to us back then.
- 1:26:29That’s why I think that while it
- 1:26:31might be hard for some to figure out,
- 1:26:33I’m sure my nine-year-old son will be
- 1:26:35able to build endless games, services,
- 1:26:37and so on in just a year. I think we
- 1:26:41could compile everything from this
- 1:26:43podcast and all these dialogues—
- 1:26:45however many we have, five or six in
- 1:26:47total with ChatGPT—
- 1:26:51we could turn that into a neural
- 1:26:53network training course that explains
- 1:26:55step-by-step everything you need to do.
- 1:27:00All the prepared prompts are ready, so
- 1:27:01anyone can go through this training
- 1:27:03quickly. And that’s basically it.
- 1:27:06Alright, let’s move to
- 1:27:08We are moving to Lovable. I’ll share
- 1:27:10a lifehack.
- 1:27:11It’s a lifehack. And
- 1:27:13we’ll do it a little differently.
- 1:27:16We’ll write it for him—it's an
- 1:27:18international service, so it’s better
- 1:27:20to work with English prompts, yes.
- 1:27:25Generate an empty project. We are
- 1:27:28creating an empty project. Lovable is
- 1:27:33like ChatGPT, but instead of text, it
- 1:27:35generates websites, applications—
- 1:27:37everything you can view on your phone
- 1:27:39or in a browser, with a ready-made
- 1:27:42interface, menu items, and buttons you
- 1:27:44can click. I would say that, well, in
- 1:27:49development this is called a functional
- 1:27:51product prototype. Meaning it’s not a
- 1:27:53finished program that you can just go
- 1:27:55out and sell. It’s something you can
- 1:27:57test with users, show them, and ask:"
- 1:27:59Look, this is what it will look like,
- 1:28:01are you buying or not? "And so, Artem
- 1:28:03just entered the research results and
- 1:28:05the request here. What request did you
- 1:28:07enter?
- 1:28:08We went into Lovable, you can register
- 1:28:09there.
- 1:28:10You told it," Make an empty project. "
- 1:28:12Yes, I told it," Make an empty project.
- 1:28:14"And then, what we do is, it created
- 1:28:16the empty project. Okay, let it be like
- 1:28:19that. And then we go into the settings,
- 1:28:26yes,
- 1:28:28and here we enter a detailed
- 1:28:29description of the project we’re
- 1:28:31building into the knowledge base.
- 1:28:32Meaning,
- 1:28:33the one you got from ChatGPT,
- 1:28:35right?
- 1:28:35We just copied and pasted it.
- 1:28:37No matter where we go or what we do, it
- 1:28:38will always remember what the product
- 1:28:40is, what candles it has, and so on. It
- 1:28:42won't lose context; it will remember
- 1:28:43all of that. That’s its little
- 1:28:45instruction set.
- 1:28:45All right.
- 1:28:46And then, once we’ve done that,
- 1:28:47this is the result of ChatGPT’s work,
- 1:28:49yes. Uh-huh.
- 1:28:53Notice that I feel like we spent more
- 1:28:55time choosing the idea than actually
- 1:28:57implementing it. I mean, the
- 1:28:58implementation is very fast. If we had
- 1:29:00more time, we would have done all three
- 1:29:02ideas.
- 1:29:03I think, I think it was about the same,
- 1:29:05yeah. And now we’re typing" please "
- 1:29:07to it. Develop project. Build a service
- 1:29:15based on the documents you’ve been
- 1:29:17uploaded. That’s it, now we wait.
- 1:29:30Just for the sake of interest, I’ll
- 1:29:32run another service too. This is the V0
- 1:29:34service. I like it, I love it, I’m a
- 1:29:37fan of it. So, what is V0? V0 is a
- 1:29:43smart developer you can tell what you
- 1:29:45want to build, and it draws a really
- 1:29:48beautiful frontend product for you. It
- 1:29:52won’t have the backend part—well,
- 1:29:53you can do it, but it’s not really
- 1:29:55meant for that. But that most beautiful
- 1:29:57part,
- 1:29:58exactly. Basically, it’s also a
- 1:30:00functional prototype. What we used to
- 1:30:02build in Figma, InVision, or some other
- 1:30:04visual
- 1:30:05drag-and-drop editors like Canva, maybe
- 1:30:08, is now being done by AI
- 1:30:12through prompts. You just copied the
- 1:30:14same thing from the chat.
- 1:30:15Yes, I just copied it from there. So
- 1:30:17let it sit there, figure it out, and
- 1:30:18think for itself. It’s doing that
- 1:30:20right now.
- 1:30:20How much time does V0 take to work?
- 1:30:23About 5 to 10 minutes. The detail is
- 1:30:25that what you’ll see is that you have
- 1:30:27a page. And on that page, there’s,
- 1:30:29for example, a button
- 1:30:30to export a document. And it won't do
- 1:30:32that in the first version. So you have
- 1:30:34to ask:" Also, add this little detail,
- 1:30:36and that little detail, "and spend
- 1:30:38another 10 minutes on it. Okay,
- 1:30:40what’s happening in Replit?
- 1:30:43I think Replit has already reached a
- 1:30:44certain point. Right. Uh-huh. We have a
- 1:30:48landing page.
- 1:30:49Let’s open it right away. This
- 1:30:51let's
- 1:30:51in a separate one, yes, in a separate
- 1:30:54window. Framer.
- 1:30:55Oh, oh, oh. And here, see, there’s
- 1:30:58something here: home, login, dashboard.
- 1:31:01Right now, we have a dashboard. So,
- 1:31:03let’s go.
- 1:31:04Yes, let’s start from the beginning.
- 1:31:06Let’s. This is a finished landing
- 1:31:08page. In principle, it’s not bad, in
- 1:31:10my opinion. Return your fines in one
- 1:31:11click.
- 1:31:12Yes, what happened here? So, first, the
- 1:31:15positioning was developed, marketing
- 1:31:17headlines appeared—all created by
- 1:31:19artificial intelligence, which says:"
- 1:31:21Appeal fines in one click. "We automate
- 1:31:25WBY Azone fine appeals, helping you
- 1:31:27save more revenue without any manual
- 1:31:29work. And here, a landing page appeared
- 1:31:35that offers to start a free trial or
- 1:31:37watch a demo. So, Artem suggested he
- 1:31:41finish a few more things. Well, let's
- 1:31:44move on—here, yes, it's not just a
- 1:31:46landing page. What else is here? Here
- 1:31:48is,
- 1:31:49yes, let's look at the functionality
- 1:31:50itself, because of how it looks to the
- 1:31:52clients. The AI service came up with
- 1:31:54all of this right now.
- 1:31:55Automatic integration,
- 1:31:56yes, an appeals engine, one-click
- 1:31:59documents, real-time notifications, a
- 1:32:01performance dashboard, and an agency
- 1:32:03mode, which is also cool. Reviews on
- 1:32:06which is not only cool but for some
- 1:32:07reasons relevant. Right now, sellers on
- 1:32:10the market—it's very important on
- 1:32:12landing pages when you show how it will
- 1:32:14work. Meaning you connect, then go into
- 1:32:17the dashboard, check, download the
- 1:32:19documents, and send them off.
- 1:32:20Agreed. Pricing plans
- 1:32:2215,000 rubles per month, 10,000 rubles
- 1:32:25per month plus 10%.
- 1:32:27Uh-huh.
- 1:32:28Awesome.
- 1:32:29So, let's start with
- 1:32:30and the call to action at the bottom.
- 1:32:32Great. So, we are logging into the
- 1:32:34system.
- 1:32:34Ah, I hope it can be done just like
- 1:32:36that, if it lets us,
- 1:32:37yes. Well, generally, there is a login
- 1:32:40form, a registration form, and a
- 1:32:42ready-made personal account page that
- 1:32:44shows,
- 1:32:44how many fines you've received, how
- 1:32:46many came in during the selected period
- 1:32:48, and the potential refund. How many
- 1:32:50are currently in appeal and what is the
- 1:32:52success rate? Would you like to have a
- 1:32:55dashboard like this so your lawyer—
- 1:32:57well, in general, where it's recorded
- 1:32:59how many fines you have, how many are
- 1:33:01currently being appealed, how many were
- 1:33:04returned, the success rate, and a list
- 1:33:06of the latest fines, which I think is
- 1:33:08very cool.
- 1:33:09And right now, it's writing the
- 1:33:10functionality, and it will look like a
- 1:33:12fully ready service. And when you go to
- 1:33:14a seller, they won't realize it isn't
- 1:33:16real. Yes, you'll say it's a simulation
- 1:33:18of the data, and they'll think that it
- 1:33:20actually works.
- 1:33:22There's a publish button on the right.
- 1:33:23In general, you can publish it, and
- 1:33:25then it will appear at a public address
- 1:33:27.
- 1:33:27Let's see just for interest what Visero
- 1:33:29does. So, it's still developing it here
- 1:33:31.
- 1:33:31Visero is a more advanced tool, right?
- 1:33:33Here, as we can see, code is being
- 1:33:35written. Although V0 is being made, I
- 1:33:37think V0 is better, better. Yes. Get
- 1:33:39more messages with premium. Ah, well no
- 1:33:42, here it's all,
- 1:33:43Yes, on this screen, you can see a
- 1:33:44little circle spinning next to the word
- 1:33:46" page "in the middle column. This
- 1:33:49means it’s writing code right now as
- 1:33:51we speak, it's coming up with the code
- 1:33:53for this page,
- 1:33:54yes, and you can take a look. There it
- 1:33:56is, finished.
- 1:33:57And somewhere down there, it will
- 1:33:58clearly continue writing this story
- 1:34:00right now.
- 1:34:00Yes. When I talked to strong product
- 1:34:04managers and developers, they said that
- 1:34:06this is roughly one or two weeks of
- 1:34:07work for a highly professional team.
- 1:34:11Well, you have to understand that while
- 1:34:13it’s a week or two of work for a pro
- 1:34:15team, if you have a pro team, they
- 1:34:17aren't sitting idle,
- 1:34:18right,
- 1:34:18they have a project they’re managing,
- 1:34:20and they have a backlog of a million
- 1:34:22other things. And when you come with an
- 1:34:24idea, your idea gets in line with that
- 1:34:26team, the turn will come after some
- 1:34:28time, and then it will be those weeks
- 1:34:30of work on this story.
- 1:34:33It starts adding functionality.
- 1:34:35Well, in general, there’s an infinite
- 1:34:37space that follows. But, guys, what are
- 1:34:39we going to do with you?
- 1:34:40Look, here’s an integration module,
- 1:34:42please enter the token.
- 1:34:44Yes, it has already appeared here
- 1:34:46appeals.
- 1:34:47Here is a list of appeals. In short,
- 1:34:50there is a ready-made solution here
- 1:34:52that the AI has thought out, which
- 1:34:54looks very good. Anyway, write in the
- 1:34:57comments, guys, entrepreneurs, anyone
- 1:35:00who wants to take this on, Artem and I
- 1:35:02will invest. Some amount of money, I
- 1:35:04don’t know how much, a million rubles
- 1:35:05,
- 1:35:05yes, it's possible, whoever wants to
- 1:35:07take it on, come forward,
- 1:35:08yes. And we will, in short, join the
- 1:35:10board of directors of this business,
- 1:35:11take a share, and we’ll coach you. If
- 1:35:13you want to ramp this story up, or
- 1:35:15something else from the list, we’ll
- 1:35:16make a YouTube show out of it, about
- 1:35:18how this business develops. That will
- 1:35:19be cool. If you want to, mark yourself
- 1:35:21in the comments somehow so we can
- 1:35:23contact you about this, make yourselves
- 1:35:25known. Tell us about yourself, who you
- 1:35:27are, how we can find you. And that's it
- 1:35:28. We’ll get a topic like this going.
- 1:35:30Maybe someone is watching now who has
- 1:35:32long dreamed of having their own
- 1:35:34business. But we will be strict judges.
- 1:35:36It won't fly with us, no. We need you
- 1:35:38to be go-getters. There’s already
- 1:35:41functionality built here, personas,
- 1:35:43jobs to be done, marketing positioning,
- 1:35:46and a functional prototype has been
- 1:35:48made that you can click through.
- 1:35:50Everything necessary for engineers has
- 1:35:52basically been described. Artem didn't
- 1:35:54like the design at my suggestion just
- 1:35:56now. Well, yeah, it does look a little
- 1:35:58bit simple. I just want it to be a bit
- 1:36:01nicer. What Vizirov is still doing,
- 1:36:03what he is still up to. Well, let's not
- 1:36:05get distracted by them,
- 1:36:06let's just leave it at that. That's
- 1:36:08enough for an example, guys, because
- 1:36:09what just happened? We sat down here
- 1:36:12two hours ago to chat. While I was
- 1:36:15drinking my coffee and Artyom was
- 1:36:17drinking water, we found several
- 1:36:19promising niches. We picked out the
- 1:36:23ones that were the most appealing in
- 1:36:25our view, and in the AI's view, and
- 1:36:26conducted deep product research, which
- 1:36:28you can take a look at. We made a
- 1:36:31functional prototype. The next steps,
- 1:36:35in general, were described to us in the
- 1:36:37AI's plan. These are test advertising
- 1:36:41campaigns, first clients, starting
- 1:36:43development, and validating hypotheses.
- 1:36:48I would take this to some company that
- 1:36:50specializes in software development
- 1:36:52outsourcing. Yeah. Overall, it's not
- 1:36:55hard to find. There are industry
- 1:36:57ratings where you can find many
- 1:36:59outsourcers. And I would go to get an
- 1:37:01estimate of how much it costs to
- 1:37:03develop the first version of such a
- 1:37:05service and how long it would take.
- 1:37:07Then I would get confirmation from the
- 1:37:08market with real money. As an
- 1:37:10entrepreneur, I would want to get some
- 1:37:12pre-payments, like—it costs 15,000
- 1:37:14rubles——pay me 1,000, and I'll give
- 1:37:17you first access as soon as it's ready,
- 1:37:19or I'll return the money 2x, for
- 1:37:21example. Yes, I would collect 50 such
- 1:37:24pre-payments and then I would go to a
- 1:37:26venture fund for investment and say," I
- 1:37:28have deep research, I have a prototype,
- 1:37:31I have a development budget, I have
- 1:37:33market validation, and here is how much
- 1:37:35money I've collected. "At the same time
- 1:37:38, I only spent, well, 2 hours on
- 1:37:41vibe-coding. I spent about a week on
- 1:37:43Zoom calls with the potential target
- 1:37:45audience. Yeah. And I'm risking 50,000
- 1:37:49rubles. that I'd have to pay out if
- 1:37:53nothing happens. And that, by the way,
- 1:37:55is my negative motivation, my carrot on
- 1:37:57a stick from behind, that I will lose
- 1:37:5950,000 rubles. in payouts. Well, anyway
- 1:38:02, that's it.
- 1:38:04But I would still listen to the AI,
- 1:38:06take it, publish this landing page
- 1:38:08right now, and run an ad on a Telegram
- 1:38:11channel.
- 1:38:12Yes,
- 1:38:13right now. As usual, guys, please write
- 1:38:17in the comments, what do you think: in
- 1:38:19the 6 months the AI suggested, will it
- 1:38:21be possible to take this business model
- 1:38:24from zero to revenue? It said, by the
- 1:38:27way, not one million rubles, I think it
- 1:38:29was 3 to 4 million rubles a month.
- 1:38:32With market profitability. The future
- 1:38:34is already here. Yeah. But it's up to
- 1:38:37you to judge whether it will work or
- 1:38:38not. Let's wrap it up. If you have
- 1:38:41anything else important to say, go
- 1:38:43ahead, we need some kind of cherry on
- 1:38:45top.
- 1:38:47I will finish with what I started, what
- 1:38:49we were talking about, that everyone
- 1:38:51thinks artificial intelligence helps
- 1:38:53you work better, but I tell everyone
- 1:38:55that you can start doing the impossible
- 1:38:56. And what each of you can do is try to
- 1:39:00repeat what we've done and accomplish
- 1:39:01things you’ve never been able to do
- 1:39:03before. Let’s finish then with a
- 1:39:09thought, maybe a scene from an Isaac
- 1:39:12Asimov book, where the main character
- 1:39:14talks to a robot and says:" You’re a
- 1:39:16soulless machine, you’ll never be
- 1:39:18able to write a symphony, create a
- 1:39:20great masterpiece, or come up with a
- 1:39:22brilliant poem, because no matter what
- 1:39:24kind of artificial intelligence you
- 1:39:26have, it's impossible for you, you
- 1:39:28can't do it. "And do you remember what
- 1:39:34the robot answers him? The robot says:"
- 1:39:37But can you? "And on that note, well,
- 1:39:40that’s not my scene, guys. Robots are
- 1:39:42evolving, we can be friends with them,
- 1:39:44and we can earn money with their help.
- 1:39:46Please, leave a like, hit the bell,
- 1:39:48subscribe to our channel, and write
- 1:39:50your biggest takeaway from this video
- 1:39:52in the comments. That will help you
- 1:39:54promote it. And we will see you in the
- 1:39:56next video.
- 1:39:57Bye.
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