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Chapter 40: Find The Ideal Guitar Neck Angle Every Time! — Transcript

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  1. 0:00[Music]
  2. 0:08we are now done with routing the truss
  3. 0:12rod slot so at this point most of these
  4. 0:16things on the neck can be done in a
  5. 0:18slightly different order but the truss
  6. 0:20rod slot was really the one thing we
  7. 0:22needed to do especially before we put
  8. 0:25the peg head veneers on because that
  9. 0:27would alter the way that this sat on the
  10. 0:30routing table and probably the way that
  11. 0:33it bumped up the fence as well now that
  12. 0:35we're done we can shape our Peg head we
  13. 0:40can get the angle correct on here we can
  14. 0:44we can do several things but I am going
  15. 0:48to take care of the neck angle right now
  16. 0:52doesn't have to be done in that order
  17. 0:54but that's what I'm going to do next so
  18. 0:56we are going to take a look at
  19. 0:58calculating the neck angle and getting
  20. 1:01that set and getting the uh mortise and
  21. 1:04Tenon bolts in so let's take a look now
  22. 1:07when we talk about neck angle we are
  23. 1:10talking about the angle that the neck
  24. 1:14sits in relation to this part of the
  25. 1:18guitar that we have nice and
  26. 1:21flat and most likely that's going to end
  27. 1:24up around somewhere between 88 to 90° um
  28. 1:28but we will figure that out more
  29. 1:30precisely right now the things that we
  30. 1:32need to figure out are where is our
  31. 1:36saddle so where's our saddle going to be
  32. 1:39inside that bridge down here we are
  33. 1:41going to get our saddle location
  34. 1:46by taking our total scale length and
  35. 1:50subtracting the nut to 14th
  36. 1:54fret now we have a total of 645
  37. 2:005.16 mm for our total scale and if you
  38. 2:05remember we are at
  39. 2:2237.774929
  40. 2:277.39 MM which is going to get us from
  41. 2:30the neck back here to our saddle but we
  42. 2:35also want to uh account for some
  43. 2:38compensation which we will get to later
  44. 2:40but we're going to add about 2 mm for
  45. 2:43that so we're going to end up at
  46. 2:4628939 from here to
  47. 2:49here so let's get that measure we're
  48. 2:51going to do that right on the center
  49. 2:54line
  50. 2:5828939 and and getting that 39 is going
  51. 3:02to be a little tricky right all right
  52. 3:07two
  53. 3:0989 we want to look
  54. 3:12for about 3 and 1 12 millim right here
  55. 3:16here is our saddle
  56. 3:18location and what we want to imagine is
  57. 3:23if we had a line coming off of our neck
  58. 3:27straight through this top part hitting
  59. 3:30here what is this Gap here we want about
  60. 3:353 and a half millimeters right here now
  61. 3:38you can take
  62. 3:39that with
  63. 3:41a uh ruler or if you have a
  64. 3:46shim which I do made a shim especially
  65. 3:49for this that is where I sit it if I
  66. 3:53didn't have the shim I would have to
  67. 3:55have one hand here measuring it and get
  68. 3:58another hand back here and try to
  69. 3:59measure this and get this angle so if
  70. 4:02you can get a shim and shave one down to
  71. 4:043 and2 mm it works out much better
  72. 4:08so what I want to do is figure out what
  73. 4:14this Gap is I do want to have a little
  74. 4:17bit of air right here at right at this
  75. 4:21Leading Edge of the sound hole and the
  76. 4:24way I can measure that is by finding
  77. 4:26something that has some sort of
  78. 4:28measurable thick thickness card stock
  79. 4:32heavy fiber
  80. 4:34paper maybe one of your veneers um one
  81. 4:37of your your very thin veneers and I
  82. 4:40will put
  83. 4:43that right
  84. 4:48there so I'll slide it back along the
  85. 4:52ruler or my straight edge until I
  86. 4:56feel that there's some resistance there
  87. 4:59and I don't want to force it underneath
  88. 5:01and artificially Force this end up I
  89. 5:04just want to see where that's kind of
  90. 5:06where that tension is where that's tight
  91. 5:08and then I will mark it with a
  92. 5:13pencil and in this case it is right
  93. 5:16along that outer edge of the purling so
  94. 5:19it's super easy to keep track of I will
  95. 5:21take my sliding bevel I'll use this to
  96. 5:25find my angle so that I can duplicate it
  97. 5:27on the neck I'm going to put my piece of
  98. 5:31fiber exactly where I had marked it
  99. 5:35before I have that angle in
  100. 5:39place tighten the bevel
  101. 5:42down and that looks to be just under 90°
  102. 5:49on the back just a little bit so let's
  103. 5:51take a look here is
  104. 5:55our cut off line right there which means
  105. 5:59all this is is waste right so that still
  106. 6:01has to get cut off and then this 7/8
  107. 6:05here is our Tenon that means that this
  108. 6:09is going to be our shoulder line which
  109. 6:12is where I want to um put the
  110. 6:14measurement for the new neck angle which
  111. 6:16we just got I'm going to lay that on top
  112. 6:19of the
  113. 6:21neck hopefully you can see
  114. 6:24that this angle is just under 90° so if
  115. 6:29it's probably around 89 88 and2
  116. 6:33somewhere around there what it is
  117. 6:36isn't exactly important it's not vital
  118. 6:40to know the precise angle but it is
  119. 6:43vital to repeat that angle from the neck
  120. 6:47joint over to the neck so we can get
  121. 6:49this
  122. 6:51correct you should have gotten something
  123. 6:54that looks like these now these are
  124. 6:56going to be the mortise and Tenon nuts
  125. 6:59and bolts so these barrels are going to
  126. 7:03go into the Tenon here well about there
  127. 7:08and here and then the bolts slide
  128. 7:13through the guitar body through the
  129. 7:15Tenon into the
  130. 7:18Tenon and hold it like
  131. 7:22this now in order to get these in we are
  132. 7:26going to drill some holes into the Tenon
  133. 7:30straight down through it I measure about
  134. 7:33an inch and an E from the top of the
  135. 7:39neck
  136. 7:44there
  137. 7:46and
  138. 7:48there and the reason that I want to get
  139. 7:51the neck angle prior to putting these in
  140. 7:55is so that I don't end up with with a
  141. 8:00hole that's too far out and especially
  142. 8:04here if this neck angle was too drastic
  143. 8:09this way then I would have to move this
  144. 8:12Tenon back to match it because I don't
  145. 8:15want this nut sticking too far towards
  146. 8:19the end of the Tenon because the grain
  147. 8:21that's out here is relatively weak
  148. 8:24because that's going to be ingrain that
  149. 8:26the stress is on and um it's just not as
  150. 8:29strong as as the long grain so we want
  151. 8:31to have this pretty far back towards
  152. 8:35this shoulder line and I keep mine about
  153. 8:382 mm
  154. 8:39off which means that if these are 10 mm
  155. 8:46wide which is what we're going to
  156. 8:49drill so the radius is 5 mm from the
  157. 8:53center plus two so that's 7 millim so
  158. 8:57I'm going to measure at these inch and
  159. 8:59an eighth lines here and here 7
  160. 9:02millimeters off of the shoulder and
  161. 9:05that's where I'm going to put my center
  162. 9:10line for um drilling these so it's going
  163. 9:14to be
  164. 9:18here
  165. 9:21and
  166. 9:23here let's take a look just double
  167. 9:26check yeah that looks about right I
  168. 9:29don't need to get right up close to this
  169. 9:31line cuz that's going to potentially
  170. 9:33impact the shoulder and could ding it
  171. 9:37put a a notch in it I don't want to do
  172. 9:40that I want this shoulder line to be
  173. 9:42nice and crisp and clean when it meets
  174. 9:44that guitar body so this looks good to
  175. 9:48me the final measurement on my
  176. 9:52neck height plus my heel cap I usually
  177. 9:57put it just below where the purling line
  178. 10:01is on the back so that it's not quite
  179. 10:03even with the back of the guitar but
  180. 10:06there's a little bit of a step here
  181. 10:08maybe 4 mm or so just so that the neck
  182. 10:13comes just under the purfling
  183. 10:15line if I cut
  184. 10:17this somewhere in the middle of the
  185. 10:20binding that will leave me enough room
  186. 10:23to come back sand this a little bit more
  187. 10:26put a heel cap on um and get my final so
  188. 10:30if I cut this off now um I can get rid
  189. 10:33of some of this excess material and then
  190. 10:35I don't have to uh deal with it when we
  191. 10:38are in the mortise anten and jig as well
  192. 10:41so I'm going to take this off I'm going
  193. 10:43to take this material off and I am going
  194. 10:46to drill these
  195. 10:53holes now I am also going to take off
  196. 10:57this line here
  197. 11:00this extra material on the front so be
  198. 11:03sure you don't cut back here on this
  199. 11:07Tenon line or the shoulder line I should
  200. 11:10say only cut
  201. 11:11up right here not here make sure that
  202. 11:16you have
  203. 11:20357.00 from the front of the
  204. 11:23nut out
  205. 11:26to this 14th fret line and 7/8 of an
  206. 11:31inch in front of that for our Tenon so
  207. 11:3735777 from the nut to the 14th fret and
  208. 11:427/8 of an inch in front of that for the
  209. 11:44Tenon double check that before we cut
  210. 11:47this off if you cut it back here or have
  211. 11:50something screwed up on your scale
  212. 11:51length and you cut this you're going to
  213. 11:53have to make a new neck so let's not do
  214. 11:56that I just double checked everything
  215. 11:58I'm good I'm going to cut off this
  216. 11:59excess and then get outside to the drill
  217. 12:03press to drill
  218. 12:08these okay now we are going to drill
  219. 12:13these barrel nut holes for the Tenon
  220. 12:17joint and we are going to use a 10 mm
  221. 12:22drill bit you can use a 3/8 but you'll
  222. 12:25end up having to ream it out quite a bit
  223. 12:27we may still have to a little bit with
  224. 12:29the tin but it's going to be much closer
  225. 12:31and much more
  226. 12:35accurate now we do not have to go all
  227. 12:40the way through and as a matter of fact
  228. 12:42most drill presses if you're using one
  229. 12:45and a drill press is going to be much
  230. 12:47more accurate than a um hand drill but
  231. 12:50the drill press is not going to go all
  232. 12:53the way through and punch out the other
  233. 12:55side but that's okay we don't need it to
  234. 12:57all we need it to do is come down and
  235. 13:00get through this Tenon so somewhere
  236. 13:03around here which most drill presses
  237. 13:06will get to and we just need to get past
  238. 13:10that um past that Center Line right
  239. 13:12around here to get that through the
  240. 13:14other side of the Tenon and then once we
  241. 13:17route out the Tenon you'll see that that
  242. 13:20hole is exposed just
  243. 13:22fine I've got my marks I'm using a
  244. 13:26bradpoint
  245. 13:28bit with a drill press it's a little
  246. 13:30less Critical with the Brad point but I
  247. 13:32still like to use one to line up my
  248. 13:34holes better and it just lets that bit
  249. 13:38track
  250. 13:42[Music]
  251. 13:49[Music]
  252. 13:53better now the last thing I want to
  253. 13:56touch on um in this this video is the
  254. 14:01heel
  255. 14:04cap so what I'm doing right now is just
  256. 14:06bringing this shoulder line all the way
  257. 14:12across this allows me to get a better
  258. 14:15look at what this heel shape heel
  259. 14:17pattern is going to look like where the
  260. 14:19heel cap goes this heel cap you
  261. 14:22mean you can make this heel just about
  262. 14:25any shape that you want you can do a
  263. 14:29kind of a D shape you can do one that
  264. 14:33is super
  265. 14:36pointed you can do one that's really
  266. 14:39wide and
  267. 14:41flat I mean you can really do just about
  268. 14:44anything you
  269. 14:45want the considerations are that you
  270. 14:50want it to be at least 78 wide so that
  271. 14:55you can get wider than your 10 and I
  272. 14:56like it just a little bit wider than
  273. 14:58that and about an inch deep at least I
  274. 15:04go a little bit further inch and an eth
  275. 15:07to at least start with and I may make
  276. 15:10that smaller bigger um you know it can
  277. 15:13make changes really anytime you want
  278. 15:16but this allows me to at least get a
  279. 15:19good look here and see what kind of
  280. 15:21shape I'm looking at here on this you
  281. 15:25can come back in you know come in and
  282. 15:28back out that gets a little too extreme
  283. 15:31on something um this short we want to be
  284. 15:35sure that we don't cut into this
  285. 15:40blank we can come right up to it just
  286. 15:43leave ourselves a couple millimeters at
  287. 15:45least so we want to go from here to
  288. 15:47about
  289. 15:56here there we go
  290. 16:00I'm good with that and then I'll cut
  291. 16:02this out on the band saw and you don't
  292. 16:05need a band saw to do this you can do
  293. 16:07this with a handsaw if if you do just
  294. 16:10use a handsaw one technique is to just
  295. 16:13make like a cut here cut here cut here
  296. 16:17and almost like a featherboard you just
  297. 16:20keep cutting into it like that and you
  298. 16:23can chip those out or you can make a big
  299. 16:25straight cut up here and a big straight
  300. 16:27cut up here um chisel it carve it and
  301. 16:30you actually don't need to do any of
  302. 16:32this right now I just like to make give
  303. 16:34myself a little bit less work when it
  304. 16:37comes to shaping the neck and if I don't
  305. 16:40have to take a file or a rasp or
  306. 16:44something and chunk out all this
  307. 16:45material that's much better so I'm going
  308. 16:48to cut this on the band saw and then we
  309. 16:51will move on
  310. 16:59taking all this out with a file or a
  311. 17:02rasp or sandpaper would be a lot of work
  312. 17:05I just want to avoid that now we've got
  313. 17:07our holes for our um the nuts for the
  314. 17:10mortise we've got our Peg head thickest
  315. 17:15we've got the truss rod slot we've got
  316. 17:18the heel somewhat shaped we've got quite
  317. 17:22a bit done thus far now next we are
  318. 17:26going to take a look at actually machine
  319. 17:29in the mortise and Tenon so we're going
  320. 17:32to be making the mortise inside the
  321. 17:36guitar body and the Tenon on here so
  322. 17:41let's get on to that in the next video
  323. 17:49[Music]
  324. 17:50[Applause]
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