Chaka Schipper (Heilung) — Interview on March 6, 2025 — Transcript

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1. 0:04We were not meant to be alone. All this
2. 0:06suppression of a colonized mindset. We
3. 0:09are not questioning ourself enough of
4. 0:11what is happening.
5. 0:14Everything is just talk talk talk talk.
6. 0:17But how much of the words that you're
7. 0:18using are you actually meaning it? Are
8. 0:21you doing what you're preaching?
9. 0:24But we can talk together. We can share
10. 0:27our opinions without pushing anybody
11. 0:28down. And that's what I feel that is
12. 0:30lacking a lot.
13. 0:33So hello uh nice to meet you. Today we
14. 0:36are here with Chuck Shipper from Hilong.
15. 0:40Thank you so much for your time and
16. 0:42willing to dive a little bit more in in
17. 0:46me.
18. 0:47Yeah. So this is a like a documentary
19. 0:49interview. So I would like to start from
20. 0:52what are your roots?
21. 0:55Wow, that's a a deep question. uh roots.
22. 0:59Uh I was raised and born in South
23. 1:03America in Ecuador.
24. 1:06Uh but I have roots uh standing from uh
25. 1:09Chile, the United Kingdom, France,
26. 1:16it goes all the way back. So it's been
27. 1:18always one connected to somehow in the
28. 1:22Chilean side. 1972 my family moved from
29. 1:26Chile to Ecuador because there was going
30. 1:30to happen a civil war 73 and that's kind
31. 1:33of when my family had a contact with
32. 1:36with Ecuador and it's actually where I I
33. 1:39feel very connected from the Andian
34. 1:42region.
35. 1:44I was born in the capital in Kito.
36. 1:48So yeah, if
37. 1:50you are up to going to any of those
38. 1:52corners, just hit me up.
39. 1:55Before High, were there any projects
40. 1:57that you were involved in? Were you
41. 1:58studying music or something?
42. 2:00Yes, I've been uh
43. 2:04since I remember I've been involved
44. 2:06somehow in music. My grandpa, he always
45. 2:10heard classical music, but my grandma,
46. 2:12she was not into it so much into it. So
47. 2:15it was very a thing that when he would
48. 2:17went to work it was the place for his
49. 2:19music and he had big collections of
50. 2:21classical music. So at one point I had
51. 2:23this dream to be a opera singer
52. 2:27from very very
53. 2:28picture that
54. 2:30I'm not sure how it will be right now
55. 2:32but I've been always very interested
56. 2:33into that side. So from my grandpa's
57. 2:36side I always had this connection to
58. 2:38classical music. So there it was also
59. 2:39the interest to the violin.
60. 2:42I had also a violin. I don't play any of
61. 2:44them and I don't sing either but uh I'm
62. 2:47talking very young age. Then in the
63. 2:49middle I jumped er I went to a school in
64. 2:52fourth grade and there I had one of my
65. 2:55great friends uh that I still not so
66. 2:58much but we still having some context
67. 3:01and him and his brother they were very
68. 3:03into metal music and
69. 3:07there after a big period of trying to
70. 3:09figure out which instruments I also
71. 3:10chose for example there was a big trip
72. 3:13from the school and I also really wanted
73. 3:16a guitar and my mom said you can choose
74. 3:18choose one. You cannot go to both. And
75. 3:21then I actually chose the guitar. Then I
76. 3:23figure out it's also not kind of my
77. 3:24instrument. So it's been a big journey
78. 3:27through different instruments even
79. 3:28though I was always hitting some pots in
80. 3:31the kitchen from very young age. So that
81. 3:33was always kind of the percuss
82. 3:35percussive side very involved. Um
83. 3:39and then in that period also I've been
84. 3:43researching a lot of my roots in the
85. 3:46Nordic site uh in the Celtic side from
86. 3:50the side of my grandpa
87. 3:53and then I figured out that there was
88. 3:54also a lot of Scottish and the Kelts and
89. 3:57then I dived into the Scottish backpipes
90. 3:59also
91. 4:02that it's been quite a journey because
92. 4:04it's all this connection to the cultural
93. 4:06side all is reclaiming my roots to
94. 4:09understand where I'm coming from and
95. 4:14to play that kind of music.
96. 4:18Then in school, I jumped into the drums
97. 4:21with this friend that I was calling
98. 4:23before. He was knitting a drummer and
99. 4:24was like, "Let's build a band." It was
100. 4:25like, "Yeah, of course." That was like
101. 4:26in fourth grade. And then after that
102. 4:31I really established my my musical
103. 4:34aspect in more what is the drums. Then
104. 4:37thanks to my the support of my family
105. 4:40and then my family moved when I call my
106. 4:43family is my close family they moved to
107. 4:45Chile
108. 4:47and then I got a scholarship uh to study
109. 4:50actually music jazz performance and
110. 4:55music production.
111. 4:57So I stayed uh in Ecuador
112. 5:01studying that and then after my studies
113. 5:04in that I went to
114. 5:07Spain. I also got there some scholarship
115. 5:11for diving much more in I couldn't
116. 5:13understand the how it should work this
117. 5:16thing of artists making money and making
118. 5:18a living of it. So then I dived into
119. 5:21music business global entertainment and
120. 5:23music business. I made a master in that
121. 5:26and
122. 5:28then I went back to Ecuador. I was
123. 5:30teaching there at the university. It's
124. 5:32been as you can hear back and forward
125. 5:34constantly. Uh but always involved in
126. 5:37the musical side. I also remember when I
127. 5:39was a teenager working in a radio
128. 5:41station
129. 5:43making the controls and then the guy
130. 5:45didn't came. So I was the person putting
131. 5:48the music and talking and so it's always
132. 5:50kind of involved in all the musical
133. 5:53aspect.
134. 5:54Um and then in Ecuador I was like why
135. 5:59not trying some more and then is when I
136. 6:02buy in that period of time I bought one
137. 6:06flight ticket to
138. 6:08to Europe and there is kind of where
139. 6:12that journey started
140. 6:15to where I am right now. Yeah, I was
141. 6:17amazed actually uh when I checked your
142. 6:19biography um on some podcast um I guess
143. 6:24it was Nordic mythology podcast uh you
144. 6:27met your partner and you ended up in uh
145. 6:31where in Denmark.
146. 6:32Yes. and and from all this education
147. 6:35from all this uh like music business and
148. 6:38whatn not you ended up basically looking
149. 6:40for work for a long time and yes
150. 6:44actually it's
151. 6:46what I kind of say is yes you can go and
152. 6:49study
153. 6:51and it gives you a lot
154. 6:53but it's everything how you implemented
155. 6:55in your life and what I feel is all the
156. 6:59contacts and the kind of community that
157. 7:02you build there that it makes you feel
158. 7:04so good. And those are the people that
159. 7:06then maybe in the future you're going to
160. 7:09collaborate and work together if they
161. 7:11continue working in the music industry.
162. 7:14But how many people goes to a studies
163. 7:16and then they're sitting at home not
164. 7:18knowing just believing because you have
165. 7:20that paper you're going to have
166. 7:22something. It's everything by our own
167. 7:24work and where I'm right now it didn't
168. 7:26was from one day to another.
169. 7:29I went working through different
170. 7:30aspects,
171. 7:32making sandwiches, cleaning toilets and
172. 7:37moving boxes in a warehouse.
173. 7:40And then at one point, a really good
174. 7:42friend of of all of us,
175. 7:45Alex Oaso, he gave me a call after one
176. 7:47year that I was like, I need to figure
177. 7:50out how to to make a living
178. 7:53in Denmark. And I ended up in Denmark
179. 7:56because of my partner because she's
180. 7:58Danish. And
181. 8:02and in that period of of the year, I was
182. 8:06working and everything what I could and
183. 8:08trying to figure out also how to dive in
184. 8:10into the the place that I want to be.
185. 8:14And sometimes we have to do things but
186. 8:16if you have your vision clear or maybe a
187. 8:20purpose for that moment to understand
188. 8:23where you want to be it's everything a
189. 8:25learning process and we learn from
190. 8:27everything the problem is when we stay
191. 8:29in something stuck that is not what we
192. 8:31like and that's where it starts
193. 8:34our root I call it always internal root
194. 8:39that there is when those blocks starts
195. 8:40and then is when anxious stress
196. 8:44and all these feelings pop out because
197. 8:46of these blocks because you're basically
198. 8:47doing not what you love. So when you see
199. 8:49that is a transition and then actually
200. 8:51Alex called me and it was like hey I'm
201. 8:54with this band and we need a they're
202. 8:56looking for a driver and I was like what
203. 8:58is it? I didn't even had any idea of
204. 9:00what it was and what was going on.
205. 9:04Yeah. And that was also quite a trip.
206. 9:06And then I have in my door Maria and and
207. 9:09Kristoff good friends of the project
208. 9:11that I'm part of now. erh deliver me a
209. 9:14car with
210. 9:16spears and shields and stuff that I was
211. 9:18like, "Okay, what the where what is all
212. 9:22this?
213. 9:22Why are you scared to drive such a car?"
214. 9:24Yeah. I was like, and it was funny. Then
215. 9:25I had some cool stories in the middle
216. 9:27like being stopped by the German police,
217. 9:30me having a
218. 9:33French passport, driving a Danish car
219. 9:36with weird weapons inside. It was quite
220. 9:40a quite a journey. What did you talk to?
221. 9:44Yeah, I I it was funny though because it
222. 9:47was like
223. 9:50they asked you do you have weapons like
224. 9:51yes but I they tell me not to lie. So
225. 9:55then I shouldn't lie but then it was
226. 9:57this thing of like how do I explain him
227. 10:00and then it was like yeah but it's for a
228. 10:02performance and we use it in a
229. 10:03theatrical matter but is a
230. 10:05representation from historical findings
231. 10:08etc. So it was a quite a thing and then
232. 10:11thankfully it was another police officer
233. 10:13there and she said and it's like yeah
234. 10:16actually we can see I' I've heard of
235. 10:18this project and I was like okay
236. 10:20interesting and it was in the beginnings
237. 10:22that was I think 2018
238. 10:27somewhere there. So
239. 10:32that was kind of the beginning of where
240. 10:35everything started. And it was just one
241. 10:37job that I had as a driver. And of
242. 10:40course, as I'm a
243. 10:43person that
244. 10:45wants to keep going into things to reach
245. 10:49maybe that point that I sometimes I'm
246. 10:51not even conscious, but my
247. 10:55my subconscious or my
248. 10:58old vibration kind of knows where I have
249. 11:00to go and sometimes I just let it be. So
250. 11:05I started doing that. for me was very
251. 11:07normal to do in Ecuador in the other
252. 11:09projects that I had down there
253. 11:13cuz there you don't have tour managers,
254. 11:14manager, stage and all these beautiful
255. 11:17things that we have these days or that
256. 11:19you can find in other places there you
257. 11:21do it yourself of course or you have
258. 11:23them but you it's a big expense and for
259. 11:25the amount of income that you get as a
260. 11:27musician down there is quite different.
261. 11:29So then I started doing a lot of things
262. 11:32that I saw on stage
263. 11:34and then Christopha called me like
264. 11:39I need you to do this in Glasgow and
265. 11:42then we figure out I need to talk to you
266. 11:45in Kuberneting in that moment when he
267. 11:47called me I was like almost in
268. 11:48my pants but thinking like ah you're
269. 11:50doing things that you shouldn't you were
270. 11:52hired just as a driver but that's not
271. 11:54what happened. it was more like please
272. 11:56do it again and that's how I ended up
273. 12:00making all these other things for the
274. 12:02project and then after a period of time
275. 12:05then I jumped where I am right now
276. 12:07playing the drums and sharing and
277. 12:10building my altar with a big group of
278. 12:14amazing people.
279. 12:16So what uh kind of drums you play in
280. 12:18Hilong? I understand it's your native
281. 12:22instruments.
282. 12:23Yeah.
283. 12:25um native we can call it. Uh what I
284. 12:28build as I mentioned before is I
285. 12:31what I mentioned before is that I do an
286. 12:33uh I build an altar
287. 12:36representing
288. 12:39a lot of things. Everything the whole
289. 12:41image that I'm trying to pull out is
290. 12:43that I'm not alone here
291. 12:46and there's been a lot of people
292. 12:48fighting and protecting and they still
293. 12:51do their territories, their land, their
294. 12:53traditions.
295. 12:55And as I grew up and was born in
296. 12:58Ecuador, um all my things that I have up
297. 13:01there or most of them if not their
298. 13:03presence or a quite deep collaboration
299. 13:07with someone like I have one drum from a
300. 13:10great drum builder that he's from
301. 13:13Mexico, but then all the rest of my my
302. 13:15set is
303. 13:18built and made by people in Ecuador. And
304. 13:21the type of drums is we could say is an
305. 13:25Andian uh bombo and I call it Andian
306. 13:29because the Andian region is quite big
307. 13:31and the instrument has been found in and
308. 13:34still used in a lot of these places. Uh
309. 13:37that is a basically a big cylindric
310. 13:40wooden thing with two skins.
311. 13:45Uh so I use different skins, different
312. 13:47sizes.
313. 13:49Erh and then I have different elements
314. 13:52that also represents
315. 13:55different aspects from where I come from
316. 13:58and also the different journeys that I
317. 14:00have been through
318. 14:03and trying to apply uh it's weird to use
319. 14:07the traditional word but let's say the
320. 14:09the common way of using instruments for
321. 14:12example um I have an amazing
322. 14:18set of symbols made by Katung. The
323. 14:21Hatung is also a a company from Ecuador
324. 14:25that they is the first symbol company
325. 14:28and they created my own symbols
326. 14:30according to some different sounds that
327. 14:32I wanted weights and I wanted some place
328. 14:34that I'm just tired that they are
329. 14:36breaking constantly.
330. 14:38So
331. 14:40yeah, it's a great project. So that we
332. 14:44it took us some months to put together,
333. 14:47but it happened and they're great. You
334. 14:50can check them out. They also have some
335. 14:52other symbols that they sell around. And
336. 14:54then Pablo Kacho that he's a really good
337. 14:58friend and also one of the drum builders
338. 15:00that I work with.
339. 15:02We have also a big passion for ancient
340. 15:05or let's say prehispanic karamic
341. 15:08instruments that we are trying to bring
342. 15:11alive and that's also my other passion a
343. 15:14part of drums is all this
344. 15:18the sounds from
345. 15:21old times and there are some findings of
346. 15:24some whistles and
347. 15:26I use also some of them on stage
348. 15:29so you have some ancient instruments
349. 15:31also also So yeah, yeah, I have some
350. 15:33like actual in
351. 15:34Yeah. Yeah. Quite some Yeah. Yeah. There
352. 15:36are some old stuff on stage also.
353. 15:41I know that you not doing some like
354. 15:45music drumming. You have a lot of going
355. 15:47on in the philosophical side on your
356. 15:50beliefs and uh um how you see the world.
357. 15:53Can you tell a little bit um about that?
358. 15:56I've been in Ecuador. There is still a
359. 15:58lot of
360. 16:01First Nations
361. 16:04communities and people that still live
362. 16:08with uh their traditions. And from very
363. 16:12young age, I've been very interested and
364. 16:14connected also to to a lot of different
365. 16:17aspects of
366. 16:20these different ways of healing or what
367. 16:22actually healing is and what actually
368. 16:25being alive is or what is the dream
369. 16:28world etc. A lot of of these subjects.
370. 16:31Um so there in the process uh together
371. 16:35with my partner we created vidaya
372. 16:37community and journeys that is basically
373. 16:40a space where people can join in a very
374. 16:43exclusive way when I mean exclusive
375. 16:47inclusive
376. 16:49inclusive
377. 16:50inclusive but that is exclusive
378. 16:53I mean that is just for very few people
379. 16:55because we have we want to have
380. 16:58connections and it's not this common
381. 17:01retreat street that you have 30 40 50
382. 17:03hundreds of people uh joining the space
383. 17:06and then you can actually not even
384. 17:07interact with each other and the idea is
385. 17:09this
386. 17:11the healing part through community I
387. 17:13really believe that
388. 17:15that's one of the biggest problems is
389. 17:17that this connection that we have to
390. 17:20ourself to nature we are nature
391. 17:23and that's what's ripping everything
392. 17:25apart and this being alone this
393. 17:27loneliness is what is we were not meant
394. 17:29to be alone and all this uh suppression
395. 17:33of a colonized mindset of saying this is
396. 17:37what it has to be this is we are not
397. 17:38questioning ourself enough of what is
398. 17:40happening and why of things why am I
399. 17:43doing this why am I supposed to do this
400. 17:47why is it normal to live alone in four
401. 17:50walls
402. 17:52all all these kind of of things
403. 17:55and that's when vidaya was was born to
404. 17:59open face to people that have been
405. 18:02working uh together for a long of years
406. 18:06that they share also a different type of
407. 18:09medicines
408. 18:12they have been carrying it through
409. 18:13millennials that that's also a thing
410. 18:14that I've been seeing a huge trend of
411. 18:17people that just
412. 18:21I know that they may be good intentions
413. 18:24but they just grab any medicine because
414. 18:26they felt good that moment or They want
415. 18:30to share it more to the world. But we
416. 18:33have to stay in what's ours and it's
417. 18:36very important to understand that I'm
418. 18:39from Ecuador, but I don't own the
419. 18:41medicine. I don't I don't serve it. It's
420. 18:43it's a thing that it doesn't belong to
421. 18:46me. It's not in my lineage of people and
422. 18:49it doesn't even cross to my head to do
423. 18:51something like that. So we open a space
424. 18:55where
425. 18:57me my partner and then we open we share
426. 19:01together spaces with first nations from
427. 19:03different territories from Ecuador for
428. 19:05now we have been also thinking to maybe
429. 19:07make it an open spaces in other places
430. 19:09with people that's carries their own
431. 19:12medicine
432. 19:16and that's yeah we're making it once a
433. 19:18year the next one is going to be 2026
434. 19:23And yeah, I'm probably going to give you
435. 19:25all the links and stuff that you can
436. 19:26check there
437. 19:28on screen. Yeah.
438. 19:29Yeah. But that's also connected. So I
439. 19:31share what where I come in is this
440. 19:33holding space just opening doors uh in
441. 19:36the middle of nature in a beautiful
442. 19:38space putting people together and then I
443. 19:41open also to things that I share in my
444. 19:46other project that is called Arpy.
445. 19:49um that this one is basically
446. 19:52things that has been helping me and
447. 19:54supporting myself in my journey that I
448. 19:56was like why not opening it more for
449. 19:59other people.
450. 20:02So it's a it's a snowball that is
451. 20:05growing but it also melts down and
452. 20:07sometimes it's like this didn't really
453. 20:09work and then we figure out and there we
454. 20:11have this Suruna drum therapy circles
455. 20:15that you were yesterday part of it. um
456. 20:18where I also try to invite other people
457. 20:20in. So we share all of us. It's not just
458. 20:26a single person's thoughts or ways of of
459. 20:31healing. One of the most important is
460. 20:33being community and actually opening
461. 20:35yourself and understanding that you are
462. 20:36not alone. That we all are struggling
463. 20:38somehow.
464. 20:40But I always believe that there is a
465. 20:42toolbox. We all all have a toolbox
466. 20:46that we can share of different tools
467. 20:48between each other because we've been in
468. 20:50different states all of us and maybe
469. 20:52somebody already went through what
470. 20:54you're going right now. And that's the
471. 20:56part just opening your mouth heals. We
472. 21:01always try to find something outside
473. 21:05to make us feel better. And that's what
474. 21:08I also call the spiritual bypassing
475. 21:11that happens a lot is like researching
476. 21:13researching and looking out there when
477. 21:15you're actually just putting a lit on
478. 21:18the real issue. I would say that uh
479. 21:22having valid being validated from
480. 21:24outside it's not going to work uh
481. 21:27because as soon as somebody or something
482. 21:30that validates you disappears again
483. 21:33meeting true self you're alone like and
484. 21:37unless we would be able to be sort of
485. 21:43content and calm with ourselves it's
486. 21:47never going to stay. Yeah.
487. 21:51Yeah. As I there's a lot of talking and
488. 21:54that's also one of the biggest issues.
489. 21:57Everything is just talk talk talk talk
490. 21:58talk talk talk. But how much of the
491. 22:00words that you're using and you're
492. 22:02saying are you actually meaning it or
493. 22:05are you walking with the words? Are you
494. 22:08doing what you're preaching?
495. 22:10And you can see in the world where we
496. 22:12are right now, it's constant talk and
497. 22:15push down others and
498. 22:19so you gain more power and more egos and
499. 22:23more things that that's not the way. The
500. 22:26way is staying community and remembering
501. 22:29that we come
502. 22:32and we are nature and that disconnection
503. 22:34is what's ripping apart everything.
504. 22:37They're not taking care of all what
505. 22:40nature is giving us.
506. 22:41Would you like to tell some more about
507. 22:44what's going to do and especially like
508. 22:46Hiatus is coming. Uh any plans for that?
509. 22:50Which plans? uh after after high concern
510. 22:53uh okay this thing of that's actually I
511. 22:56try to live very in the present moment
512. 22:59and it's a thing that I very related to
513. 23:02uh plans keep sharing keep spreading
514. 23:06seeds of awareness uh so we continue
515. 23:10questioning ourself
516. 23:13is it truly usually me or is something
517. 23:17imposed by somebody else or any other
518. 23:19tradition or whatever it comes comes
519. 23:21from
520. 23:23and spreading seeds of awareness that
521. 23:27there's been people out there that's
522. 23:29been always there
523. 23:32and they are still here.
524. 23:34traditions,
525. 23:39medicines,
526. 23:42ways of living and there's
527. 23:46ways of
528. 23:49seeing that and a lot of the the things
529. 23:52that I'm also trying to to share
530. 23:56constantly is let's appreciate more
531. 23:59instead of appropriate.
532. 24:02Others don't have the privilege of just
533. 24:04traveling around.
534. 24:06And what I've seen a lot is people
535. 24:09travel to one point, they see something
536. 24:12that they feel that they have to share
537. 24:13it to the world and then they take it
538. 24:15from it. But they actually not walking
539. 24:18with the words.
540. 24:20They're just making profit out of it and
541. 24:23not even making a
542. 24:26repro or how do you say that? that is
543. 24:29giving and receiving and it's a it's a
544. 24:32circle of thing. It's just we take it
545. 24:33out and then that was it.
546. 24:37The one plan that I know that is
547. 24:38happening is they're following some
548. 24:41tours. There's some musical projects
549. 24:42that are quite interesting that I know
550. 24:44that's
551. 24:46yeah some fun stuff that at one point
552. 24:49you you will hear about them. And then
553. 24:53also Vidaya the retreat that is
554. 24:56happening in 2026
555. 24:58where it's already confirmed that we're
556. 25:00working with the same titas and mamas
557. 25:05that we are actually working now with a
558. 25:08beautiful organization that is
559. 25:09protecting the a 2% of a forest in in
560. 25:13Ecuador that all the rest has been
561. 25:16ripped down and is the only one the only
562. 25:18forest from the Pacific. So, we excited
563. 25:21about continue spreading the word that
564. 25:24there's
565. 25:26there's good things happening out there.
566. 25:27It's not everything
567. 25:31as you probably see constantly. Turn off
568. 25:34your phones, turn off your TVs, and get
569. 25:37out. Get out and enjoy
570. 25:41the people that you love and enjoy
571. 25:43nature.
572. 25:45Nature will always prevail.
573. 25:48and RP also my project
574. 25:53as I mentioned before is kind of a
575. 25:54snowball that it also melts in the
576. 25:56process and it's a constant learning but
577. 25:59that's what I love to share
578. 26:02working one-on-one with people to make a
579. 26:04bigger collective healing
580. 26:07the Suruna circles I'm going to be now
581. 26:09in Birka tattoo festival I got invited
582. 26:12there by them it's going to be very nice
583. 26:15I'm sharing there three spaces on the
584. 26:18three days. So, I'm looking so much
585. 26:21forward. That's what I love. I love to
586. 26:22be with people, like-minded people that
587. 26:24we're walking or maybe not to the same
588. 26:27direction, but we can talk together. We
589. 26:30can share our opinions without pushing
590. 26:32anybody down. And that's what I feel
591. 26:34that is lacking a lot. the side of
592. 26:36respect and love and standing with the
593. 26:40roots and understanding a little bit
594. 26:43more
595. 26:45of who we are as human beings
596. 26:50and not just a simple robot doing just
597. 26:53because somebody told us.
598. 26:56So yeah, it's quite a long answer for a
599. 26:59lot of things because exact project I
600. 27:01think I mentioned a a few dates but I'm
601. 27:04trying to live as much as I can in the
602. 27:06present moment
603. 27:08and for example now we are on tour and
604. 27:10if I have like everything scheduled I
605. 27:12will be a little bit all over the place
606. 27:14maybe hanging out probably also with Kai
607. 27:17in some woods around here.
608. 27:20So yeah, it's
609. 27:22quite a question
610. 27:23actually. Very interesting answer and a
611. 27:27lot of insights about yourself. Thank
612. 27:29you so much for this interview and uh
613. 27:32good luck with the tour.
614. 27:33Thank you so much. Thank you for your
615. 27:35time and thank you for opening spaces
616. 27:38that is not just about one specific
617. 27:40thing that is more open to who we are
618. 27:45and I think that the world needs more
619. 27:47about that hearing that there are
620. 27:49different opinions and it's okay to have
621. 27:51them with respect and love.
622. 27:55Thank you so much. Appreciate I have to
623. 27:58practice.
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