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0:18hi everybody thank you for joining us on
0:20self-apply season 2 you know we start
0:23each episode with some Triva so here's
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1:14today's episode we're discussing part
1:16five of the listening section Brandy is
1:18back and ready to guide you on what part
1:20five entails how you should be taking
1:22notes and how to avoid errors let's go
1:25say hello to her
1:29[Music]
1:35hi Brandy how are you doing hello I'm
1:38very well ashwat thank you so much I'm
1:41surprised that it's already December
1:42today is the 1 of December and it's a
1:44beautiful sunny day in Vancouver which
1:46is unheard of so I'm more than fine and
1:48happy to be here indeed uh we're also
1:52I'm also looking forward to go out uh
1:54sometime soon after work uh I'm really
1:57excited as well um and I'm also excited
1:59for this year to be over um so anyway um
2:04I'm going to let you get started and for
2:05the people watching if you have
2:07questions please write it down in the
2:08comments below and Brandy can answer it
2:10after her lesson also this episode
2:13will'll be focusing on not taking so
2:14please grab a pencil and a sheet of
2:16paper Brandy you're up okay I'm going to
2:19share my screen everybody so just give
2:20me a moment to do that
2:27please okay
2:35okay so we are here to do uh some more
2:37listening practice and we're going to
2:39focus specifically on listening part
2:41five of the cell pit test which will ask
2:43you to watch a video and listen to a
2:46discussion so before we actually watch
2:49that video together today I just wanted
2:51to outline a couple of things that I
2:52thought were helpful to know about the
2:54cell pip listening test so first of all
2:57there are six different parts to the
2:59listening section
3:00and every part you complete you're only
3:03ever going to hear the audio passage
3:05once you can't pause it and you can't
3:08replay it you hear it once and once only
3:11and it's really important to know that
3:13the questions you're going to answer
3:14will come after the audio has finished
3:17playing so what this means then is that
3:20you're going to need to develop a really
3:22efficient way to take some short notes
3:24as you're listening because you'll refer
3:27back to your notes when it comes time to
3:29answer the question s on the test itself
3:31so that's what we are going to practice
3:32today we're going to practice our
3:34note-taking skills now when you take the
3:37actual sell pip test the test
3:38administrators will give you paper and
3:41pen so that's what you're going to use
3:43to take notes in the testing center from
3:45home today I'm hoping you've got your
3:47own notepad in pen handy so that you can
3:49practice these skills one last thing
3:52that I think it's really important to
3:53note is that the passages on the
3:56listening test will get increasingly
3:58more challenging as as the test
4:00progresses so the length of the video
4:03will be a little bit longer as you go
4:05you'll also have probably some higher
4:07level vocabulary words and even the
4:10questions themselves will require a
4:12little bit more critical thinking to
4:14complete successfully so remember we are
4:16completing section five of the listening
4:19test today out of six so what that means
4:21is that today's episode is going to be a
4:24little bit more challenging than perhaps
4:26other episodes you've tuned into so it
4:28will be a good way to practice ractice
4:29our skills and to see how we can do with
4:31our notetaking so with part five
4:34specifically it's the only part of the
4:37cell pip listening test where you're
4:38going to watch a video as you listen to
4:41a discussion unfolding there will always
4:44be three people talking and they're all
4:46going to have a different opinion on the
4:49topic that's being discussed so it's
4:51your job to really focus in and identify
4:53how each person feels about that topic
4:57remember you're only going to see this
4:58video and hear it once and it will be
5:01anywhere from a minute and a half to 2
5:03minutes in length the video we'll be
5:06watching today is about 2 minutes long
5:08total after the video finishes you will
5:11have around eight questions to answer
5:14and they're all going to appear on one
5:16screen and you'll use the little drop-
5:18down arrows to open up the answer
5:20choices so they're essentially multiple
5:22choice type questions and I'll show you
5:24what they look like very
5:26shortly so before you actually watch the
5:29video on the cell pit test itself you
5:31are going to have a little H statement
5:34that introduces what you're about to see
5:36right on the test and this is what
5:38you're looking at right now in this blue
5:40box on your screen so this was a real
5:42listening question from a past cell pip
5:45test so I'll read it out loud so we all
5:47have a sense at least of what we'll be
5:48watching shortly this one says that you
5:51will watch a discussion between three
5:54people at a cafe they all belong to a
5:57conversation Club where some members are
5:59are improving their English and some are
6:02improving their French okay so you know
6:05this information before you even watch
6:07the video
6:08itself now because you know that part
6:11five will always ask you to listen to
6:13opinions from three different speakers I
6:16would recommend strongly that you create
6:18a note that looks something like this in
6:20fact you can do this at home right now
6:22if you want to practice so by creating a
6:24chart and just labeling it with person
6:27one two and three at the top we're now
6:29ready to start writing down the key
6:31ideas that each person shares as we
6:34watch that video okay so again feel free
6:36to use this chart or if you've got your
6:38own method of note taking that's
6:40perfectly fine you'll notice that at the
6:42bottom of this chart I just summarized
6:44the information that the test
6:45instructions gave us so we already know
6:48that this is happening in a cafe it's a
6:51conversation club and the participants
6:53are practicing English and French okay
6:56again we got that right from the test
6:58instructions now you need to write that
7:00information down if you don't want to
7:02but you should at least be tucking it up
7:04here in your memory as you listen to the
7:06uh the audio itself now a word about
7:09note taking not taking skills can be
7:11tricky because they're very subjective
7:14they're very individual each of us is
7:16going to have our own style to take
7:18notes and that's okay there's not really
7:20a right or wrong way to do this as long
7:23as your notes make sense to you because
7:25you're the one that's going to need
7:27those notes to answer the questions I I
7:29think though because the dialogue is
7:31quick it's it's long it's 2 minutes
7:34you're not going to have time to write
7:36down full words and you're certainly not
7:39going to have time to write full
7:40sentences I wouldn't even try that
7:42myself I would recommend that you find
7:45some sort of short forms or
7:47abbreviations and symbols so for example
7:50if the discussion is around money it's
7:53nice to throw down a really quick dollar
7:54sign on the page if the amount of
7:57something is increasing you can draw an
7:59arrow pointing up and so on you get the
8:01point so find out short forms that work
8:04for you just remember what they mean
8:06when you read your notes back we're
8:08going to use Point form or at least I'm
8:10going to and I'll show you what my notes
8:12look like later so Point form is just
8:14again when you write down the keywords
8:16or the specific details using these
8:18shorten forms and you're just going to
8:20list them in the columns on the chart
8:23itself because part five has a video
8:25you'll also want to keep one eye on the
8:28screen so to speak as you taking your
8:29notes because you might see some facial
8:32expressions and some body language that
8:34will help you identify how the People
8:36speaking are feeling all right so
8:38there's a lot of information to gather
8:40from this part five so again hopefully
8:43by now if you're wanting to practice
8:45you've got some sort of chart or at
8:46least a note ready to go we're going to
8:49watch the video here and after it's
8:51finished playing I'm going to show you
8:53my notes and we can compare what you've
8:55come up with and what I've come up with
8:57again our notes will probably look very
8:59different and that's okay there isn't a
9:01right or wrong way as I mentioned but
9:04we'll hopefully agree at least on what
9:06the important pieces were in the
9:08dialogue itself all right so let's watch
9:10the video now it is two minutes and you
9:12can practice taking notes as you're
9:15able well that was a good session eh all
9:1824 members present eight conversation
9:20groups of three a full house howd It Go
9:23for you Diane our group spoke French for
9:25more than half the time 40 minutes of
9:27French and 20 minutes of English but
9:29hey I'm not complaining I need all the
9:31French I can get hey your French is just
9:33as good as mine keep practicing a few
9:35more weeks and you'll sound like
9:37Nicholas here and remember it's even
9:39harder for the alphones here I mean
9:41they're learning a third language alfon
9:43they're people whose first language
9:45isn't English or French like Marta she's
9:48an alfone she grew up speaking Ukrainian
9:51then she learned English and now she's
9:53trying to pick up French Marta was in my
9:55group she's amazing her French is way
9:57better than mine she said your friend
9:59wants to join well that makes six new
10:01members who want to join and they're all
10:03alones problem is we can't ask people to
10:06start bringing their own chairs maybe we
10:08need to look at a bigger restaurant I
10:10think we should just limit the
10:11membership to 24 can't we start a wait
10:13list there's enough turnover Colleen and
10:16Liam are going back to Germany next week
10:18the thing is if you put prospective
10:20members on a wait list they might just
10:22join a different Club I know from
10:24working at the community center weight
10:25list of unreliable you can have six
10:28people on a wait list when you call them
10:30none of them are interested anymore so
10:33when people ask to join we should let
10:34them in right away how about meeting at
10:37a separate location on different nights
10:38well if all the new members are alfon
10:40maybe we should change the format right
10:42now each conversation group has one
10:44native English speaker one native French
10:46speaker and one alfone but maybe in the
10:49new location it should just be for alep
10:51no we need to mix them in with native
10:53speakers like we're doing now the alones
10:55kind of inspire the others by their
10:58example and they great translators for
11:00the next little while we'll just have
11:02some groups with three and some groups
11:04with four until we get more native
11:06speakers in we'll need to find a second
11:08location for a meetup on Alternate
11:10nights some people can meet on Tuesdays
11:12and Saturdays the new group could meet
11:14Wednesdays and
11:24Sundays all right so this is what my
11:27notes look like and I'm guessing they
11:30are a little different than yours what
11:31I'd like to do is just quickly walk you
11:34through my train of thought and my
11:37thought process here to see again if
11:39you've got the same ideas that you
11:40pulled out of that dialogue so we'll
11:43start with the introduction to who these
11:45people are and you notice in the
11:47headings at the top of my chart beside
11:49person one two and three I wrote down
11:51the letters m w and M and that just
11:54stands for man woman man I didn't know
11:57if there were going to be people's names
11:59in introduced so I just wanted to keep
12:01these people straight in my own mind so
12:03that's what those letters mean to me now
12:05the first man person one he starts the
12:08whole dialogue by suggesting or
12:10introducing that there are 24 people
12:12already involved in this conversation
12:14Club so we're looking now at the top
12:17left corner of the notes moving across
12:20to the the second person we understand
12:23her name is Diane so she wants to learn
12:26French that's her her excitement she's
12:28there specifically to develop her French
12:30skills so that's what the f in bracket
12:32stands for to me now the third man or
12:35the third person I guess was introduced
12:37as Nicholas so I wrote down his name
12:39just as a point of reference for later
12:42so once we know who these people are and
12:44what they're doing it's Nicholas that
12:46really gets the conversation started so
12:49looking under his column in person three
12:51he introduced the term alones and I
12:55decided to write that entire word down
12:57instead of using a short form
12:59because it might be a new vocabulary
13:01word that I'm not super familiar with so
13:04I worried if I wrote a short form I
13:06would forget that word later so I did
13:08decide to take the extra second and
13:10write the entire word for that part and
13:13he started to explain or Define that
13:16word and I was having a hard time
13:17keeping up with the note taking because
13:19it was quick so what I decided to do
13:21then is use the example of the alfone
13:24that he gave us so he talked about a
13:27woman named Marta who's part of this
13:29conversation club and he says that she
13:31speaks Ukrainian as her first language
13:34so that's what the ukr stands for to me
13:37and I underlined it to remind myself
13:39that that's her first language and of
13:42course she's also in this club to
13:43practice her English and French skills
13:46so when I look at that example of Marta
13:48I understand that that's what an alfone
13:51is it's somebody whose first language is
13:53not English or French so again using
13:56that example to me at least was helpful
13:58to understand that term I might be asked
14:01later something to do with alones so I
14:03need to make sure I understand that word
14:05now we're going to follow my arrows here
14:07as a TR a train of thought so after
14:10Nicholas introduces Marta Diane speaks
14:14up quite excitedly she says that Marta
14:16was in her particular group for the
14:18conversation club and she compliments
14:21Marta's ability to speak French so
14:23that's what the little check mark beside
14:25the F FR stands for to me means that
14:27she's got strong speaking uh skills in
14:30French and Marta also wants to invite a
14:32friend to join this conversation club
14:35now the first man that spoke we never do
14:37know his name so I'll just call him man
14:40one man one reacts quite strongly to
14:43that and he says that there are now six
14:45people wanting to join this club and he
14:47wonders then if they need to find a
14:50bigger restaurant in order to
14:52accommodate the entire Club so following
14:55our Arrow back over to Nicholas there in
14:57the bottom of his column under person
14:59three Nicholas disagrees with that first
15:02man Nicholas doesn't want these people
15:05to join the club he thinks that we
15:07should limit the number of people and
15:09create a weight list to keep those
15:11numbers the same Diane actually
15:15disagrees with Nicholas I've written
15:17there
15:18xwl and that means no weight list she
15:21doesn't want to weit list instead she
15:24suggests having a new location so that
15:27word local to me presents a short form
15:29for location so she wants this new
15:32location perhaps on a different night
15:34she says to accommodate these newcomers
15:36if they want to join we're back to
15:39Nicholas now and he says well if we have
15:41this new location he questions if we
15:44should only invite the alones to join
15:46that and then we're back over to the
15:49first man he finishes the conversation
15:51by disagreeing he says no I think we
15:53should actually mix the alones and the
15:56native speakers together and he ends
15:59conversation by agreeing with Diane's
16:01point he says they should find a second
16:03location for this conversation club and
16:06even have a different evening for the
16:08newcomers to join so he suggested this
16:10schedule of Tuesday Saturday and
16:13Wednesday Sunday so those were the main
16:16points that I gleamed from that the
16:18audio itself it did go quickly so I did
16:21my best to keep up you may have other
16:23details that I've missed and if so
16:25you're very welcome to rate them into
16:26that live chat feed you can look at them
16:28later
16:29but I'm hoping that you've at least got
16:31the sense of what this conversation is
16:33about and about every person's Viewpoint
16:35regarding that
16:37topic so we're going to practice
16:39answering two questions from this test
16:41based on that audio that we've just
16:43heard and talked about before we do that
16:45it's a really nice idea to understand
16:47that there are three different types of
16:49questions that you might be answering on
16:51the cell pip test so you might be asked
16:54a general meaning type question and this
16:56will always focus on the big picture
16:59ideas so things like the the main
17:01subject of the entire dialogue that
17:03would be a typical General meaning
17:05question the specific information
17:08questions will focus very narrowly on
17:12one detail it might be one person's
17:14opinion about the subject matter being
17:16talked about for example and then those
17:19inference questions they can be a little
17:21tricky because inference questions will
17:23not give you the answer specifically in
17:26the dialogue you have to think about
17:29what you've learned based in this case
17:31on what you've seen in the video and
17:33what you've heard the people speak about
17:35to choose the best answer from the list
17:37itself you're drawing conclusions you're
17:39almost playing detective a little bit to
17:41put the clues together and come up with
17:43the answer so sometimes when you know
17:45what type of question you're being asked
17:47it will actually help you determine the
17:49correct answer as you're going to see
17:51right now so this is the first of two
17:53questions that we'll practice together
17:55today this first question reads what is
17:58the main topic being discussed and as
18:01you can tell right off the top this is
18:03certainly a general meaning question a
18:05broad topic so here are your answer
18:08choices you've got what to learn where
18:11to meet whether to grow and whom to
18:15invite so I'm going to give you about
18:17five seconds to quickly make your your
18:20choice at home you can type it into the
18:21live feed if you want but is there an
18:24obvious answer jumping out at you based
18:26on your notes
18:29right and you can continue to think on
18:31that as we walk through the answer we're
18:33going to talk about it to arrive at the
18:35best
18:36answer so even before we look at our
18:38notes I'm going to recommend that we can
18:40easily eliminate the first answer what
18:43to learn remember those testing
18:45instructions they told us that these
18:47speakers were joining a conversation
18:49Club to practice their French and
18:51English so we already know what they're
18:54learning before the dialogue even begins
18:56they're not debating what they're going
18:58to learn in the discussion so let's just
19:00eliminate answer a from our
19:02consideration right off the top so we're
19:05narrowing down our selection we're left
19:07with where to meet whether to grow or
19:10whom to invite now I remember hearing
19:13information about all three of these
19:15details so let's go back to the notes
19:17that we've made you can look at your
19:18notes at home too if you'd like and that
19:21answer be focused on where to meet so at
19:24a very quick glance here on my notes I
19:28do notice that each person does mention
19:31a
19:32location so I guess if it's a big topic
19:36idea I am looking for where people are
19:38all sharing ideas about one topic so B
19:42might make sense but when I look at
19:44answer C whether to grow and I go back
19:48to my notes what I'm noticing is that
19:51each time a a new location is suggested
19:54it's because it's a reaction to whether
19:56or not newcomers are going to join the
19:58conversation Club so remember how that
20:01first man says that six new people want
20:03to join so this is why he says they
20:05might need the bigger restaurant in the
20:07first place Nicholas disagrees right off
20:10the top with that man and he says no
20:12these people can't join we need to limit
20:14the numbers Diane disagrees with
20:17Nicholas she says no weight lists don't
20:20work we should have a new location on a
20:23different night and last but not least
20:25that first man actually suggests a new
20:27location and schedule he's agreeing with
20:30Diane so it's looking to me like answer
20:33C is much more logical as that big
20:35picture idea the main topic so this is
20:38not really about where they're going to
20:39meet it's discussing more about whether
20:41new people should join or not now I'm
20:44pretty sure that's my answer but I like
20:46to be very thorough if I've got the time
20:48on a test so we can quickly consider
20:51answer D whom to invite I do remember a
20:54few instances where they were talking
20:55about who should be in this new club so
20:58Nicholas talks about maybe having alones
21:01only in this new location if they open
21:03it and that first man says no we should
21:06mix the alones and native
21:08speakers so looking at this information
21:11I see Diane's not weighed in at all
21:13she's not offered any ideas about who
21:15should actually be in the club itself so
21:18I would consider who to invite as a
21:21specific detail discuss between these
21:23two men and specific details are not
21:26what we're looking for here we're
21:27looking for the main topic so WEA to
21:30grow just makes a lot more sense when
21:31you look at the the number of times it
21:33was discussed and all the different
21:35opinions from all the speakers in the
21:37dialogue itself it's really lending its
21:39hand to say that this is the main topic
21:41of the entire piece so we're going to
21:43select whether to grow and move
21:46on here's the second and final practice
21:49question we'll do together today so this
21:51one says what best describes the woman's
21:54attitude to Marta so this is an
21:58inference question I know that right
22:00away because of the language in the
22:01question when it says what best
22:04describes what that means to us as
22:06readers is that we have to look at our
22:08answer choices and pick the the most
22:11accurate depiction of the attitude so
22:14the answers here are admiration Envy
22:17gratitude and Scorn so we have to think
22:20back to what Diane the woman was saying
22:23about Marta and we can also consider
22:25what her facial expressions in the
22:27dialogue as she spoke were telling us if
22:29we can
22:30remember so looking at her notes I'm
22:32looking at Diane's column which is in
22:34the middle and Diane did pay a
22:36compliment to Marta I wrote that down
22:39she actually thinks that Marta's French
22:41speaking skills are very very strong so
22:44that's the only detail I've recorded
22:46here so when I come back to the answer
22:49choices what I'm going to do right now
22:51is I'm going to eliminate any negative
22:54reactions to Marta because clearly if
22:57Diane is is complimenting Marta on
23:00strong ability she has a positive
23:03attitude towards the woman so we're
23:05going to eliminate from the list Envy
23:08Envy is somewhat of a negative emotion
23:10when you're envious about somebody you
23:13want what they have so badly that you're
23:15almost feeling frustrated or sad for
23:17yourself that you don't have those
23:19things so that's a negative emotion and
23:21that doesn't make sense based again on
23:23Diane's body language and facial
23:25expression and her words in the dialogue
23:28in the same fashion we can also
23:30eliminate scorn when you're scornful
23:33you're extremely angry or upset at
23:35somebody about something and Diane was
23:38not upset at all with Marta so we're
23:40left with two positive emotions they are
23:43admiration and
23:46gratitude and when I consider answer C
23:48their gratitude I know that when you're
23:50grateful you're showing thanks about
23:53something and as much as
23:55Diane uh spoke highly of of Marta's
23:58French abilities she she wasn't going
24:01over the top with thanks and gratitude
24:04she wasn't grateful that Marta was there
24:06so to me that's not the best answer here
24:09I think based on what we've heard from
24:12Diane herself using her words and also
24:14what we saw in that video with her body
24:16language and facial expressions I would
24:18suggest that admiration is the closest
24:20depiction of her attitude she admires
24:22Marta very much for her ability to speak
24:24French so we'll choose answer a and move
24:28on with the rest of the
24:30test so to summarize I guess some of the
24:32strategies that we've used today that
24:34should be helpful in the future we have
24:36to know that this video and the audio is
24:38going to play only once so it's really
24:42important to take notes while we're
24:43listening because we don't yet know what
24:45types of questions we'll have later so
24:47we're trying our best to write those
24:48things down use short forms as much as
24:52you're able focus on those keywords use
24:54symbols you can draw arrows between the
24:57points if that helps you I know arrows
24:59for me I couldn't have done this
25:01question if I hadn't have drawn my road
25:02map so for me that's a good technique
25:04you can find your own technique whatever
25:06works for you again try to keep in mind
25:09those facial expressions and the tone of
25:11voice Etc as you're watching the
25:13video and remember that these questions
25:15will come next there will be around
25:17eight of them so in both cases today I
25:20think knowing the type of question we
25:22were being asked was helpful so
25:25understanding that that first question
25:26was a general meaning question because
25:28it talked about the main topic it really
25:31helped us select between two plausible
25:33answer choices we were looking for what
25:35all people were discussing and sharing
25:37opinions about that second question we
25:40did today knowing it was an inference
25:42question also helped us weigh in the
25:44evidence so looking at Diane's words and
25:47her body language helped us determine
25:49that she admired Marta very
25:51much so once we got all these skills
25:54Under Wraps we're going to look at the
25:55answer choices and select the best one
25:58for the list in some cases you can
26:00eliminate answers that don't make any
26:02sense and we did that today for both
26:05practice questions from those four
26:07answer choices if you could at least
26:09narrow it down to two answers that
26:11you're considering you have a much
26:13better chance of guessing or answering
26:15those questions
26:16correctly if you're still not sure or if
26:19time is running really low if you've got
26:21say three questions to answer and you've
26:23only got one minute left you might just
26:25have to do some guessing but I encourage
26:28to fill something in even if you're
26:30taking a wild guess and you select
26:32something uh it's better than leaving it
26:34blank you will never lose marks for a
26:36wrong answer you might just get lucky
26:38and you might guess it correctly and get
26:40the point for that question so that's uh
26:42your last resort strategy I suppose on a
26:45test so I'll leave it at that for now
26:48I'll stop sharing my screen right now
26:49and if you've got any questions then I
26:51will do my best to answer those today so
26:54I'll open it back over to RW to see if
26:56you've got any questions or coms
26:58comments or
27:00concerns thank you for that presentation
27:03um lots of activity in the chat here um
27:06people have been guessing
27:09right so that's a good thing hey
27:13excellent um we do have questions so the
27:15first question is uh was a little bit
27:18earlier uh in our presentation is it a
27:20good idea to make notes for every part
27:23in the listening
27:24section if you were superum and you had
27:27the ability to make notes for every part
27:29I'd say sure uh but given it's a
27:32two-minute question and we only can
27:34write as quickly as our hand will allow
27:36um I don't think it's possible for
27:38anyone really to write down every single
27:41idea as much as we wish we could so part
27:44of the challenge really with these
27:45listening activities especially in the
27:48second half of the listening test so
27:50Parts four five and six will be longer
27:52and noticeably more challenging so we
27:55have to become very equi at picking out
27:59details that we determine are important
28:02and letting go some of the other details
28:04that we don't think are all that
28:06important that we don't need to know all
28:08right so again when you remember back to
28:10my notes I know I don't have them on the
28:11screen but in my chart the first thing I
28:13wrote in the top left corner under man
28:16one he started talking and he said we've
28:18got 24 people in the club so I just
28:20jotted down 24 people you know we didn't
28:23need that information today it's
28:25probably not that important how many
28:27people are in the club now but don't
28:28know these things so again it's a
28:30balance between what you think is
28:31important and what you have time to
28:33write down so even though that detail
28:35might not be the most important it took
28:37me all of a second to write down a
28:38number 24 right some of the details
28:41though and again the more you take a
28:43test or or do some practice you develop
28:46almost an instinct to sort of guess what
28:49these questions might be about so as
28:51soon as Nicholas went on for quite some
28:53time about what an alfone is so he
28:56introduced the word and then he gave his
28:58definition and then he gave an example
29:00so that's a lot of focus on that one
29:03word alfone so I think a really strong
29:05listener who's practiced would determine
29:07that that's going to be important
29:09somehow down the road and I know we
29:11didn't have questions about alphones
29:13today in our practice questions but I'm
29:15guessing if we looked at the other
29:17questions in that test there probably
29:19would be at least one question something
29:21to do with alphones only because they
29:23talked about it for such a long time and
29:25then remember how they um the the two
29:26men were arguing later when we not
29:28arguing but debating the one man said
29:31should we only have alfon and Nicholas
29:32says no no let's or man one says let's
29:35mix them together so again the more you
29:37hear these ideas repeated that's a huge
29:39clue to you the listener that that's
29:41important so if you've missed it before
29:44the second time it's mentioned You' best
29:46get it down because it probably will
29:47come back so that's the best answer I
29:49can give you it's it's sort of your own
29:51judgment as to what's important and also
29:53what you have time to write down do your
29:55best you can't get it all and don't
29:57stress out about writing at all it's not
29:59going to happen I don't think not for
30:01anyone Thank You Ren um so another
30:06question listening for the news is
30:09tricky are there any tips for that for
30:12the news so do you mean like watching a
30:14video like what we've done today maybe
30:16this is a question about multitasking
30:18like watching a video and then listening
30:19at the same time I think they mean like
30:21listening the section the listening
30:24section where they give news like news
30:27information
30:28um okay that's I think what they're
30:30asking I can so meel if you're still
30:33watching us could you just clarify your
30:34question for us so I can ask her uh
30:38correctly meanwhile I have another
30:39question for you Randy is it a good idea
30:42to use a template in the writing card uh
30:45just like people do in other English
30:46language tests so we're to be clear now
30:49we're talking about writing and not
30:50listening just so talking about writing
30:52section yes okay no please do not use
30:54the template for writing ever it's not
30:57an authentic way to express yourself
30:59because each situation that you're going
31:01to answer via writing uh is going to be
31:04very specific to the question you're
31:06being asked so when you don't even know
31:08what the topic is how can you already
31:10start to prepare um like a rote memory
31:13response to that how do you know that
31:15that template response that you've
31:16worked through and may be memorized is
31:18going to even fit the question that
31:20you're trying to answer it's probably
31:22not it might have just like a surface
31:25connection but you're going to be
31:26missing all of those deep interesting
31:29descriptive details that the readers are
31:31looking for a large chunk of your score
31:33in writing comes from your content ideas
31:36and how well you've connected them back
31:38to the question itself so templates to
31:40be honest are are a very poor way to
31:43learn how to write what we should be
31:45doing is learning sentence structure
31:47developing our vocabulary and then um
31:51sort of crafting our ideas around the
31:53topic so start with the question figure
31:56out what you're being asked what details
31:58you know to answer that and start
31:59writing that's the best way to answer a
32:01question in writing and speaking for
32:03that matter I guess if you want to think
32:05of it that way so that's my I I know
32:07there are different perhaps different
32:09school maybe it's it's done in different
32:11parts of the world where a template is
32:13used specifically did practi these
32:15skills so I don't mean to sound like I'm
32:17criticizing that method if that's the
32:19way you've learned I'm hoping I'm not
32:20sounding critical but what I'm
32:22suggesting is that ese for sell pip
32:24anyways as we're talking there are
32:26better ways to do it so I'd encourage to
32:28let go of the template trust your
32:29sentence structure test your vocab and
32:31answer the question asked because it
32:33will be unique each
32:35time okay so listening for news
32:40itun that's the question the older
32:43question okay so this is part four so to
32:45just to clarify for the viewers that
32:47might be watching today we looked at
32:49part five which was listening to a
32:50discussion which was the video so the
32:52news item happens in I think it's part
32:55four of the reading test if I'm not
32:57mistaken right so to be honest that the
33:00strategies you're going to use there I
33:02think will be very similar to what I
33:04just described today so whether you're
33:06watching a video listening to people
33:08speak or listening to one person give a
33:11news report about a broad topic you're
33:14still determining what those main ideas
33:16are again for news I always think of it
33:19as um if I was a reporter I want to tell
33:21my audience the five W's right so you
33:24want to know who is involved what it is
33:26they're they're doing maybe where and
33:28when it's taking place and perhaps why
33:31there's a problem why is it happening
33:33and what's the solution so if you could
33:35at least pull out those five details and
33:38if you saw our last episode I know it
33:39was a month ago but we did um a chart
33:42where we actually put together the five
33:44W's as the headings so today we use
33:47person one two three the chart for that
33:49news item we put who what where when why
33:52and we just filled in those details kind
33:54of hopscotched as they were mentioned in
33:55the text so you're you're using the same
33:58strategies you're just maybe focusing on
34:00slightly different things because that's
34:02a news report and that's more of what
34:03they talk about there I hope that helps
34:06anyway um yes thank you for that and as
34:09one of our uh commentators here rightly
34:11put um yes we did have an episode um
34:15about taking notes for listening part
34:17four um we will link it in the
34:19description or in the chat below and
34:21mean you can check it out please let us
34:23know if you have any more questions
34:24after
34:26that um this this is more of uh the same
34:29general questions about the listening
34:31section some sections in the listening
34:33are too fast to understand how can we
34:37medicate that that literally comes down
34:40to practice and I know that's a terrible
34:42answer that nobody wants to hear there's
34:44no one solution that you can all of a
34:47sudden say okay I've got it now um again
34:50as the test progresses Parts four five
34:52and six I I wouldn't say that the speech
34:55speeds up I mean all of the recordings
34:58on the cell pip are if if you listen to
35:00them in a row I guess the speed should
35:02be around the same they are recorded by
35:05native English speakers so this is the
35:08the pace or the speed at which you would
35:09hear other people speak naturally in the
35:12community again what Mak some of these
35:14difficult is just the sheer length of
35:16the audio you're focusing in on but also
35:19on the vocabulary right when we add in
35:22that natural speed or Rhythm and then
35:25all of a sudden we're hearing words that
35:27we've never heard before and that will
35:29happen in Parts four five and six as the
35:31test gets harder that's the challenge so
35:34I think sometimes it's it's training the
35:36ear to keep up in present time with
35:38what's being spoken about but it's also
35:41doing some vocabulary development
35:43because the more words that you
35:45understand or at least have heard before
35:47the more you're able to actually keep up
35:49in present time the worst thing that
35:52anybody can do please do not do this
35:54don't get stuck on that word that you
35:56don't know so when you're listen
35:57listening and you know somebody says a
35:59word and and you sit there and ruminate
36:01over what that word means for 30 seconds
36:03and then you've missed the second half
36:05of the listening itself right so at
36:07least for now whatever your skills or
36:10vocabulary are about we've got to let go
36:13of of any words we don't know just
36:14forget them you can't write them down if
36:16you don't know the words so let go of it
36:18don't stress out about it but do keep
36:20your ear tuned for the details at least
36:22that you do understand for now those are
36:25the words you'll put in the chart when
36:26you're practicing at home you've got the
36:28benefit of replaying this and stopping
36:30it as many times as you need to so that
36:32would be the next thing you know I would
36:34not walk into any type of listening test
36:36cell pip or otherwise without doing that
36:39practice at home without the stress of
36:41the timed part uh so yeah the more you
36:44listen the better you get basically at
36:46the end of the day but it takes time
36:47this is not something you're going to
36:49improve in in two weeks of practicing
36:51this will take months very likely to
36:52really tune the ear depending on where
36:54your skill ability is right now
36:58thank you for answering that question um
37:00I think at the moment yes
37:06those can a candidate draw lines on a
37:09note okay can a candidate draw lines on
37:11a note taking sheet before the test
37:15starts well you could but you don't yet
37:17know what you're connecting right so
37:20again I think before the listening place
37:22when you become familiar with the
37:24different parts of the cell pit test you
37:25know what type of information ising
37:27coming so again for listening part four
37:29for that news item if you go ahead and
37:31set up your chart with the headings who
37:33what where when why for your listening
37:35part five if you've got a chart with
37:37person one two three you can do that
37:39much because you know for sure that that
37:41information will be included uh we we
37:44can't draw lines or connect ideas though
37:46until we know exactly what's being
37:47spoken about so that's sort of done in
37:50the moment uh and I would do it in the
37:52moment you know when remember in our
37:54example today we had Nicholas talk about
37:56the weit list and immediately Diane says
37:58no bad idea so as I was taking notes I
38:01wrote down Nicholas I drew an arrow and
38:03I jotted down Diane's idea so if you're
38:05just making these Connections in present
38:07time it shouldn't take you too long to
38:09do so that would be my best advice keep
38:12it present thank you Brandy and I think
38:14um sorry gpri I may have misunderstood
38:17your question you cannot write anything
38:19on your paper before the test starts but
38:21I think Brandy was asking Brandy was
38:23answering the part where whether or not
38:25it's a good idea to draw lines um and I
38:28hope that answered your question but for
38:29the purposes of so if you have questions
38:31regarding the rules and regulations um
38:33Brandy is an expert in everything but I
38:35would also suggest you check out the
38:37website because that's where you have
38:38explicit written proof of what you can
38:40and cannot do um and that's important to
38:43check before you go to your test um
38:45because we uh cup has rules in terms of
38:48like when they give you the note paper
38:49when they give you the pen and when you
38:50can write um but anyways thank you so
38:53much for joining us Brandy and thank you
38:54for answering questions patiently and in
38:56detail like you always do always happy
38:59to have you here all right thanks for
39:01having me and enjoy the rest of the
39:02month of December everybody I hope
39:04you're you're staying healthy wherever
39:06you are take care bye bye thank
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39:13think of right now or that um you
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39:31episode okay that's it for today but I
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39:44I and a couple of you answered so great
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