Casey Anthony: Day 27, Lee Reveals the Family Secret? — Transcript

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1. 0:00We want to go back out live to West 2's
2. 0:01Amanda Ober with our legal analysts. So
3. 0:04Amanda, what do Jeff and Richard have to
4. 0:06say about today?
5. 0:08Well, they always have a lot to say,
6. 0:09Aayixa, and it's always interesting. So,
7. 0:11let's dive right in. Lee Anthony on the
8. 0:13stand, and there was this very emotional
9. 0:15moment where he started to break down
10. 0:17and sobbed as he talked about how
11. 0:19personally hurt he felt during Casey's
12. 0:22pregnancy when his mom and his sister
13. 0:24didn't talk to him about it. And just a
14. 0:26personal observation here, I felt
15. 0:28uncomfortable with his reaction. I
16. 0:30thought, you know, 5 years later, you
17. 0:32know, the secret might have hurt him,
18. 0:34but where's that sobbing coming from?
19. 0:36What do you gentlemen think? Well,
20. 0:38Amanda, I'm not a psychologist, but I
21. 0:40get to play one on TV. And um which is a
22. 0:43little frightening. Yeah. Here's what I
23. 0:45I I think. I think and I think it's the
24. 0:48same problem that the state had when
25. 0:49they called him. I don't know if you
26. 0:50recall when Frank George called Lee and
27. 0:51and they the state was kind of
28. 0:52tentative. They didn't really know what
29. 0:54Lee was going to say. I don't think they
30. 0:55expected him to have this faulty, you
31. 0:56know, selective amnesia type um thing.
32. 0:59And I think that's the thing with Bias.
33. 1:00I think Lee wants to save his sister's
34. 1:02life. And I think he also doesn't want
35. 1:04her to go to jail, period. But I think
36. 1:06he's willing to go to a limit. And I and
37. 1:08I think he at one point may have been
38. 1:09willing to go over that edge for for his
39. 1:11his sister. But once he was on the stand
40. 1:13after staring at his parents while he
41. 1:16was going to be I think asked to to
42. 1:18reveal the family secret, which is
43. 1:20supposedly a molestation or something
44. 1:21like that, I think he backed out and
45. 1:23he's like, "You know what? uh this as
46. 1:24far as I want to go is like the family
47. 1:26secret is we we hid the the pregnancy.
48. 1:28So you think Bayz really thought at that
49. 1:30point Lee was going to say something
50. 1:33about the sex abuse, the alleged sex?
51. 1:35You don't put someone on the stand
52. 1:36unless you know what know what they're
53. 1:37going to say or you expect them to say
54. 1:38something and you don't keep asking them
55. 1:40is there anything else unless you expect
56. 1:42there to be something else. Well, you
57. 1:43know, and a source this morning who had
58. 1:46a conversation with Bayz said that Bayz
59. 1:48hinted there was going to be explosive
60. 1:51testimony from Lee and we didn't hear
61. 1:53that. So, that's in line with what
62. 1:54you're saying. Do you agree, Jess? Oh, I
63. 1:55do. They have a sidebar. He's sitting at
64. 1:58the sidebar. He starts to cry. He starts
65. 2:01to weep in the thing. She uh Casey
66. 2:04Anony's over there balling her eyes out.
67. 2:07Uh the uh there's a big argument at the
68. 2:10at the bench. They come back out. He
69. 2:13asks the question, "Is there what were
70. 2:14you upset about?" Because the state had
71. 2:16already objected to that question to
72. 2:18start with. What are you upset about? He
73. 2:21can't talk. Everybody's moving to the
74. 2:23edge of their seat. What are you excited
75. 2:25about? What were you mad about? What
76. 2:26were you upset about? Jeff Ashton's
77. 2:29objecting to almost every word of it.
78. 2:32They didn't include me. Okay, come on.
79. 2:35Of course, that's what everybody thought
80. 2:37he was going to say. He was Everybody
81. 2:38thought he was going to say something
82. 2:40about his father and her being molested.
83. 2:42Uh he had already set that testimony up
84. 2:44by the fact that he said that he
85. 2:46recognized very early on that she was
86. 2:48pregnant. her dad has already testified
87. 2:50that he didn't know till very late that
88. 2:52she was pregnant. They were all in the
89. 2:53same environment. Everybody thought he
90. 2:56was going to he was going to give up the
91. 2:57ghost right then and it didn't happen.
92. 2:59And that's the that's about the fifth or
93. 3:00sixth time it hasn't happened. Wow. And
94. 3:03you know, while we're having this
95. 3:04discussion, something I want to point
96. 3:06out for our viewers because the question
97. 3:07continues to come up is uh people still
98. 3:10wonder, you know, could Lee or George be
99. 3:12the father of Kaye? And we know that
100. 3:13paternity tests prove that that was not
101. 3:16the case, that they are not the father
102. 3:17of Kaye. But my question to you
103. 3:19gentlemen is after lunch the state
104. 3:21cross-examines Lee. What do they ask
105. 3:23him?
106. 3:26We don't know. We don't know. There's a
107. 3:28great moment right there. I got nothing.
108. 3:32Well, well, here's the thing. And that's
109. 3:33the problem is I don't think anybody
110. 3:35knows anymore what they will say. Okay,
111. 3:37that is the problem the defense has. I
112. 3:39don't think Bayz knows exactly what Lee
113. 3:41will say. And here's the thing about
114. 3:42Lee. I really think he's a wild card in
115. 3:44this whole trial because he was the the
116. 3:46first Anthony to get an attorney, Tom
117. 3:48Luca. He was the he's the only Anthony
118. 3:50to never have given a uh an interview.
119. 3:53We've never seen him give more
120. 3:55depositions or statements than are
121. 3:56absolutely required of him. And we saw
122. 4:00his really odd emotional display at
123. 4:04Kayle's memorial where he was like,
124. 4:06"CMA, I love you. CMA this CMA, I
125. 4:09promise to protect you, CMA." And here's
126. 4:11the thing. Um, what I haven't gotten out
127. 4:13of Discovery is that Lee was a
128. 4:15particularly close uncle. When I mean
129. 4:17close, like he he replaced the father
130. 4:19figure in her life. And so that's why it
131. 4:21struck me as odd that I don't think he
132. 4:23was talking to Kaye Marie Anthony. I
133. 4:26think he was talking to Casey. I agree,
134. 4:28Anthony. And and so he's clearly the
135. 4:31wild card in here. But Amanda, here's my
136. 4:33opinion of what I think the broader
137. 4:34picture is. what we're seeing with Cindy
138. 4:36and what we're seeing with Lee. And as
139. 4:38you point out about who the father is,
140. 4:40the subtext to what's going on and bias
141. 4:42is I I think he's making the point very
142. 4:44subtly and very clear to the jury. The
143. 4:46subtext is this family does have
144. 4:48secrets. Um, and he's making that point
145. 4:51by literally making that point with each
146. 4:53witness. He's making the point that
147. 4:54Cindy's only willing to say enough to
148. 4:57help, you know, Casey without also
149. 5:00throwing her the rest of her family
150. 5:01under the bus or herself. Lee is willing
151. 5:03to say enough to help Casey and throw an
152. 5:06instant reasonable doubt, but he's not
153. 5:07willing to to go that far. Basically,
154. 5:09they're willing to reveal enough of
155. 5:10their family secrets to try to help out
156. 5:12Casey, but no more than they absolutely
157. 5:13have to. So, may this jury only end up
158. 5:17getting hints and implications that
159. 5:20there was sex abuse, but never really
160. 5:22hearing someone testify about it. I
161. 5:24can't imagine that if they had evidence
162. 5:25of that that you wouldn't have already
163. 5:26heard it. Okay. Uh that's a uh point
164. 5:29that they stressed in the opening
165. 5:30statement. It's a moment that they could
166. 5:33have had at the very beginning of the
167. 5:34trial. They could have had it a couple
168. 5:35of times in the state's case. They've
169. 5:38set it up a couple of times in their own
170. 5:39case, including uh yesterday and today.
171. 5:42And I can't imagine that there's some
172. 5:44direct evidence out there that nobody's
173. 5:46seen yet and that they have just failed
174. 5:48to ask. That is a big point in their
175. 5:50defense. They've locked themselves in.
176. 5:52They did it again today. The judge
177. 5:53reiterated what their defense was.
178. 5:55They've affirmed that again. At some
179. 5:57point, you're going to have to hear
180. 5:58that. Yeah. What? Let's talk about that
181. 6:00moment this morning when the judge said
182. 6:02to the defense, "Okay, guys, what is
183. 6:04your defense theory?" The judge had
184. 6:07cited a case uh right before that. And
185. 6:09without going into the technicalities of
186. 6:11what the case said, what it actually
187. 6:13said was uh is that what a defense
188. 6:17presents uh as far as what's relevant in
189. 6:19a defense case is pretty liberal. If it
190. 6:21goes to anything that has to do with one
191. 6:23of their defenses, then the judge has to
192. 6:25let it in. and he alluded to some
193. 6:26pictures that he let in that he didn't
194. 6:28think that might be relative about the
195. 6:30ladder and the window and the pictures
196. 6:32of the videotape and things like that
197. 6:34with uh Casey playing with her daughter
198. 6:36because they go indirectly at least to
199. 6:39the defense that she drowned. Uh that
200. 6:43point of law is really weighing on this
201. 6:46judge right now. He is walking a very
202. 6:49thin line about what he's excluding
203. 6:51because of the objection of relevance
204. 6:53that Jeff Ashton keeps making. It's not
205. 6:56relevant. It's not relevant. You know
206. 6:57what? It almost all is relevant.
207. 6:59Especially this uh evidence of about the
208. 7:02affair. this river cruise uh person. Uh
209. 7:06if he wasn't getting along with his wife
210. 7:09at the time and he was having an affair,
211. 7:12it is not a far leap to say that he
212. 7:15wouldn't have confided in his wife that
213. 7:18her granddaughter had drowned and that's
214. 7:20why she doesn't know, but he does. That
215. 7:23I don't know if they've made that
216. 7:24argument to this judge, but at some
217. 7:26point that's relevant. and and Amanda,
218. 7:28we've the question's been asked of us
219. 7:30just about every day we've been here is
220. 7:32um will Casey Anthony testify? How can
221. 7:34they get in this evidence without Casey
222. 7:35Anthony testifying? And I think we're
223. 7:36seeing how they could get in the
224. 7:38evidence without Casey Anthony
225. 7:39testifying because remember Bayas gave
226. 7:41this very graphic description of of a
227. 7:42sexual act between George and Casey. And
228. 7:45all of us, I think, assumed it either
229. 7:46would have to be George or Casey that
230. 7:48would testify to that event. However, um
231. 7:51if another person walked in on that
232. 7:53event, they could then testify to that
233. 7:55event. Um, and I think that that's how
234. 7:58Bayz hopes to get in. I don't know that
235. 8:00we're necessarily done with Lee Anthony
236. 8:02or Cindy Anthony either. I wouldn't be
237. 8:04surprised if Lee Anthony goes, "Well,
238. 8:05there is something else I wanted to say
239. 8:06and I just I just couldn't bring myself
240. 8:08to say it, but now I can." Um, because
241. 8:10it bias is almost doing the same thing
242. 8:11the state did in their case and chief.
243. 8:13He's now that he's got the forensics out
244. 8:14of the way, he's going to start going
245. 8:15through the family dynamic
246. 8:16chronologically and he's going to start
247. 8:18building up to it. And I think that
248. 8:19that's why he's going to kind of end
249. 8:22with, you know, something big. I I I
250. 8:24still don't think Case is going to
251. 8:25testify, but I think someone's going to
252. 8:27come forward and lay a bombshell about
253. 8:29that supports Bias's theory. I you know,
254. 8:31maybe at the end of the day, we were all
255. 8:32wrong and Bias was really right. Maybe,
256. 8:35but you know, cuz he's proving us wrong.
257. 8:37I I think the last few days I I don't
258. 8:38think anybody knew expected yesterday
259. 8:40about Cindy saying, "I searched for
260. 8:42chloroform." Um I don't think anybody
261. 8:44expected Lee to come on here um and do
262. 8:47what he did. And I think we were all
263. 8:48screaming on our TV and our computer
264. 8:49monitors, "Say it, say it, say it." And
265. 8:51then he didn't say it. But the fact is
266. 8:54he did get on there and he made some
267. 8:55kind of emotional output for that we
268. 8:57none of us even thought about him doing.
269. 8:59So I think there's more to come from the
270. 9:01Anony's and uh stay tuned. Well and and
271. 9:04that leads beautifully to our my next
272. 9:05question. We come back after lunch and
273. 9:08uh the state will do we've got some loud
274. 9:10sirens going by. The state will do their
275. 9:13cross-examination of Lee. Um is it
276. 9:17possible that Jose could continue to
277. 9:19press him maybe during rebuttal on this
278. 9:21issue of the sex abuse? Well, he can
279. 9:22recall him if he needs to, so there's no
280. 9:24no real need to re uh to have a rebuttal
281. 9:26this time. Uh I think that
282. 9:29um this is pure speculation on my part,
283. 9:32but I don't believe that uh Jose Bayas
284. 9:36100% of what we do is speculation. 100%
285. 9:38of it. And let me tell you that those
286. 9:40sirens weren't for Richard. So, uh, the,
287. 9:43uh, the the point of it is though is I
288. 9:45think that Jose Bayz expected Lee
289. 9:48Anthony to say, uh, something about, uh,
290. 9:52something along the lines of what
291. 9:53Richard was alluded to. I don't think he
292. 9:55expected the answer he got. I don't
293. 9:57think anybody did because that was a lot
294. 9:59of argument. I think Jeff Ashton, just
295. 10:01by his sheer number of objections, was
296. 10:04expecting the very worst and it just
297. 10:06didn't happen.
298. 10:08Absolutely. I I I think Jeff was is
299. 10:10scared that it that it would occur as
300. 10:12Bias was hoping it would occur. And um I
301. 10:15don't think we're done with Anony's what
302. 10:16we will see with these law enforcement
303. 10:17people that are there. I think they're
304. 10:18going to be brought in by Bayz to say,
305. 10:20"Wasn't true Miss Anthony was confused
306. 10:21on these days or she she exhibited some
307. 10:23kind of confusion? Isn't it true there
308. 10:24was some problems in front of evidence?"
309. 10:26I think he's going to bring these people
310. 10:27in now to kind of bolster what the
311. 10:28confusion that they've testified to so
312. 10:29far. Okay. All right. Richard Hornsby
313. 10:31and Jeff Dean, thank you so much as
314. 10:33always. That does it for us here at our
315. 10:34courthouse studio for now. Let's stay
316. 10:36with West 2 News. will be here to bring
317. 10:39you analysis as the trial continues.
318. 10:41Reporting live from our courthouse
319. 10:42studio, Amanda Over, West 2 News. Thanks
320. 10:45so much, Amanda.