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0:00Where's u you know some of the stuff
0:01that you did on NBC?
0:03>> Yeah.
0:04>> Where's uh where's Phil based over there
0:06now? What's he doing
0:07>> in Florida?
0:07>> So he's he's not co he's not doing
0:09nothing like that. No coaching. No. Is
0:10he?
0:11>> No, he's trying to get another job but
0:12he's just at the moment. Harvey's in
0:13Florida. So he's gone to live in
0:15Florida.
0:15>> So they're staying there cuz he's
0:16playing football there.
0:17>> Yeah. Yeah.
0:18>> Yeah. Is James fen playing at the
0:20moment? I saw
0:21>> last night playing last night cup.
0:24>> Yeah. So funny. It was it was on at 7:00
0:26and you can get on the sky and uh he
0:29told me he was playing 45 like before
0:31the game all day. So I just switched it
0:32off at half and then we had for said no
0:35game.
0:36>> So I missed the second half they won
0:372-1. They were already I think they were
0:39already qualified anyway.
0:40>> I don't like that trophy.
0:41>> No it's to get you on play like 21
0:45United Everton Liverpools
0:46>> but it's one of them is it? It's
0:48probably a little bit like the Caribou
0:49Cup for Premier League. But when you get
0:50to see someone at Wembley, you think
0:51>> you
0:52>> We won it.
0:54>> You won that in League 2.
0:55>> We won it in CO. Yeah, we won in League
0:56Two. We won it the whole thing.
0:57Portsouth at Wembley.
0:59>> Oh, wow. Do you know we were playing in
1:00the final as Portsmouth, it was going to
1:03be March
1:05and it was when COVID shut, lockdown
1:07came in February and they'd sold 32,000
1:10tickets for the final and we were going
1:13to make quite a lot of money out of it
1:14because we were we sold like five or
1:15six. So, we about like 40,000. decent
1:17crowd at when you get it splits halfway
1:19the the the money and we end up playing
1:21it the year after in front of no people
1:23just obviously the directors were in
1:24there or the owners were in there so we
1:26were in there and like literally nobody
1:27in the ground mad and we had to sit two
1:28seats apart from each other mad and
1:31watch we bit him to be fair it was
1:32Richard was mad
1:34>> we we battered them we absolutely
1:36battered him was mad
1:39>> well I'll tell you what
1:40>> you're a knife mate for the
1:41>> what a shambles Man United are
1:44>> you know something every time it gets to
1:45this point when a manager sacked
1:47irrespective of whether it's someone
1:48that actually is a club legend and
1:50actually you have a bit more feeling for
1:52it. You just think what a mess, don't
1:55you?
1:56>> What a mess.
1:57>> You just can't believe it's like I I I I
1:59still when you know when you're a kid
2:00growing up and like people tell you
2:01about I always kind of get mad around
2:03Tottenham and Man United got relegated
2:05like in the 70s. You know, you think how
2:06could that happen? I think but you you
2:08know but you're watching it now.
2:09>> Who's keeping everyone?
2:10>> Who's keeping everyone? We've been
2:12waiting for three or four minutes.
2:13>> I know.
2:14Go.
2:14>> Jeez.
2:15>> What time is it?
2:16>> That question that pundit thing. Did you
2:18get
2:18>> Yeah, I I just said everyone.
2:20>> All the people. You said
2:22>> I said for a slam dunk line, Roy Keane
2:26is the best pundit. Depth analysis. I
2:28said you.
2:29>> But it's not about Yeah, I know. It's
2:30just about
2:32>> different personality, isn't it? You
2:33know what I mean? People you're working
2:34with when you were a bit watching when
2:35you were younger, obviously.
2:37>> And then I said growing up in Ireland.
2:38>> But I said the real then I said Aan
2:40Dumpy. And I said the best one really
2:42was the guy got sports.
2:44>> Did you ever go last week?
2:47>> He's lying last week to Gabby a bonour
2:49on uh what you replied to him on his
2:51Instagram. I was pissing myself
2:52laughing. I was in America.
2:54>> I can't even remember.
2:55>> And you put I'm always worried about
2:56someone who's more passionate about the
2:58club when they're basically sort of a
2:59pundit than they were when they played.
3:00>> Oh, dead right. I love [laughter] Oh,
3:02brilliant show.
3:03>> Like and I see these people on social
3:06and I'm like I watched your show even
3:08run.
3:09>> I love that. Good show. when people are
3:11a bit more passionate or ex players who
3:13say I love the club you going but when
3:15you played you didn't seem to love them
3:16that much when you played it's really
3:18key when you're playing for the club you
3:19love them afterwards
3:21>> he chilled out oh good show Jeremy
3:24>> hey people go I love that club
3:25>> so passion down tools all the time
3:28>> or ask for transfers every two minutes
3:31>> wow
3:33should have came in earlier [laughter]
3:36>> oh we think of when we were a bit young
3:38Alan Hansen I suppose in all these life
3:39weren't Because I suppose you had to
3:41listen to them.
3:42>> Yeah.
3:42>> No, but Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson
3:44sat on Match the Dead, they did have
3:46massive presences, didn't
3:47>> they? Yeah, I suppose. Yeah.
3:49>> And even like on I I always remember on
3:51ITV,
3:52>> they'd have like Bobby Robson,
3:54Terravens, they'd have like people that
3:56you just thought even Brian Moore as a
3:57commentator, it felt more
3:58>> Yeah.
4:00>> But there's so much more of it now. You
4:01see, that's in it.
4:02>> Yeah. Yeah.
4:02>> But back in the day there was
4:03>> there was a lot less. So you could you
4:05sort of
4:05>> Yeah.
4:06>> You remember you knew exactly what show
4:08they were on, what they were doing.
4:09Satan Grezy.
4:10>> I mentioned them. Yeah, I thought they
4:11were brilliant.
4:12>> Oh, S and Greavves are amazing.
4:14>> Because they haveed, weren't they? You
4:16know, wasn't
4:17>> Sunday clips now you see on social media
4:18like [laughter]
4:20>> Satan Grezy now they'd have a podcast.
4:22>> Yeah,
4:23>> they would have a podcast, would they?
4:24They just would. That's where they would
4:26move to.
4:27>> They'd be on the overlap.
4:28>> They'd be on the overlap. [laughter]
4:30>> Be sat with Ian St. John and Jimmy Gre.
4:33Imagine that'd be great that though,
4:34wouldn't it? Imagine. I imagine Jimmy
4:36Greaves was fascinating as a sort of
4:38storyteller and character.
4:40>> You think of him to TV. So you're going
4:41to New York to do games. I know it's
4:44mad.
4:44>> But you know the thing you say about
4:46obviously Saves you think like two
4:47pundits. The thing I love about Ian St.
4:49John he was the presenter. It wasn't
4:51like he was a pundit but he was like
4:53>> Scottish voice you know the Q.
4:56>> Why were you late? Why were you late
4:57this morning?
4:58>> I went late this morning.
4:59>> Yeah, you were.
4:59>> What's wrong? You okay, bro? You look
5:00like I'm I'm feeling I'm feeling
5:02something. Yeah, we know that
5:03>> I'm feeling something for my How you
5:05doing, Jimbo?
5:05>> Good, mate. You all right?
5:06>> Yeah, great pal.
5:07>> We're talking about the sort of punditry
5:09back in the day and we're talking about
5:11>> Saint and Greavves. Oh, Brian Cluff did
5:12some obviously.
5:13>> Brian Cloff was when I watched Brian
5:14Kluff, it was just brilliant.
5:16>> The Brian Cluff John Revy thing.
5:17>> Yeah, see when he said good lad
5:19[laughter]
5:20with the leads when it was talking about
5:21leads.
5:22>> The Brian Kluff John Matson clip on
5:23YouTube's unbelievable.
5:24>> Wow. Is that the one where he he really
5:25tells him off
5:26>> where he basically tells him off
5:27effectively and says um
5:30>> too much analysis.
5:31>> Too much analysis. Yeah.
5:32>> Too much talking.
5:33>> Too much. [laughter]
5:36>> Too much talking.
5:38>> Not enough. Not [laughter] enough
5:39football.
5:41>> Brilliant.
5:42>> Yeah.
5:43>> I remember when I was a kid, if like on
5:45St. Greavves or grand stand or something
5:46like that. If Brian Cluff was talking,
5:48you stop. It was like you have to watch
5:50him.
5:51>> Yeah.
5:52>> Was it nice to see Phil?
5:53>> It was good.
5:54>> He's he's coming over at Christmas. I
5:56think we should get him on here.
5:57>> I know. I will try and get him on here
5:58actually.
5:59>> He said you haven't asked him. I take I
6:01have asked him to come on.
6:01>> I don't want I don't want Phil on. I
6:03don't [laughter]
6:06>> I don't want Sir Ralph on.
6:09He's managing the women. That's why I
6:10used to call him Self.
6:12>> No, man. I love F. He's a good laugher.
6:14I He's a good laughing old. I didn't
6:16realize, you know, once you get to know
6:17him, he's quite a funny guy. He's a fun
6:19guy to be with.
6:20>> I can't believe you had to ask him where
6:22he lived.
6:23>> But you also the other reason the other
6:25reason I asked him is because Isabella's
6:26in Portland still at university.
6:28Harvey's in Florida. And I know the move
6:30between the two cuz they're trying to
6:31sell a house over there. So, where are
6:33you actually living?
6:34>> Okay.
6:34>> Are you actually in Florida or are you
6:36in Portland still? He actually he's in
6:37Florida but he still goes back to
6:39Portland quite a bit.
6:40>> Is he doing more TV now over there? Is
6:41that his
6:42>> He's doing TV. He is trying to get back
6:43into manage. He actually has had a
6:45couple of offers and I think it's just a
6:46bit
6:48>> Yeah. Not quite landed
6:50um in terms of what he wants, but
6:52>> yeah, he's
6:54>> No,
6:54>> but he's happy enough. Yeah,
6:55>> he loves Yeah, he loves coaching.
6:56>> Does he like it?
6:57>> He loves it. Yeah, he is a good coach,
6:59Phil. I loved having him.
7:00>> I've never seen him coach. Obviously,
7:02you've seen him coach. You're the only
7:03one I've seen him coach.
7:04>> But do you know what? He was like he was
7:06one of the best managers that I had. He
7:08he just got it, you know, like when
7:09you're getting a bit older and and stuff
7:11like he he would just know how to manage
7:13you and like give you time off. I loved
7:16having him as a manager. Yeah.
7:18>> So, yeah.
7:27Doru left back, Mazawi right back, Lenny
7:30Yuro and Aiden Heaven. That is probably
7:31the worst back four in the Premier
7:32League. Michael Carrick got the job on
7:34the back of nothing. He had about two
7:36years at Middlesbr was doing a bit of
7:37punishing and then got the Man United
7:38job. They given me I reckon the owners
7:40are probably going the Carrick thing
7:42kind of walked out. He goes in the
7:43Champions League short time. Last year I
7:46did. If I was Mitzio Poettino now, he's
7:49got to insist that he gets two defenders
7:51in January.
7:51>> Yeah, but you're asking for things that
7:53they might not be able to give him.
7:54>> They have to give it to him or else he
7:55shouldn't take the job. Like when club
7:56first went to Liverpool I bet there was
7:58a don't worry things are changing now we
8:00[music] feel it.
8:00>> Yeah.
8:01>> Obviously United they looking at car
8:02going there's nothing changing here.
8:04>> At what point did they just carry on
8:05doing this in this loop? How how many
8:07times you get to a go at this?
8:08>> Well a loop just keeps going doesn't it?
8:10>> EXACTLY. [laughter]
8:19>> So as we're sat here now
8:21[laughter]
8:22>> sag the saga continues. Well, look, I
8:26mean, this is a little bit of a running
8:27jump, but basically all things are
8:29pointing towards Michael Carrick will
8:31lose his job tomorrow.
8:32>> Yeah, but we said that a few weeks ago.
8:34>> He will lose his job tomorrow. I'm
8:36pretty sure 100% sure.
8:37>> And that Well, I think they're
8:39finalizing the deal with Potino as we
8:40speak. Um, that's something that's I
8:42think pretty much well reported right
8:44now and I think they're going to go
8:45ahead with it. [snorts] So, I mean,
8:49look, when a manager loses his job, the
8:50first thing we always do on this show is
8:51say how how how sad it is. It's not it's
8:54not good when a manager loses his job
8:55because you know ultimately I mean I've
8:56been there Roy you've been there you've
8:58you've you've obviously been part of a
8:59coaching team and it's not easy.
9:01>> No but car got a job on the back of
9:03someone else who's a job. That's the
9:04that's unfortunately that's the
9:05>> game. But what look do we have do we
9:07feel any sympathy right now? I mean
9:09Michael's obviously had it tough in this
9:10last month or so. He's likely to lose
9:13his job later on today or do you think
9:15he'd be relieved?
9:16>> I think so. Yeah.
9:17>> Just tomorrow you go. I I don't think
9:20he's um you know he he got to a level
9:23where it's just with with the owners and
9:25everything what's going on he's just had
9:26he's got no chance he's got no chance of
9:28who he's dealing with
9:29>> with his honest owners right here.
9:31>> Yeah. But you say that
9:32>> he has to be held accountable as well.
9:33>> Yeah. Of course he does. But like at the
9:34same time he hasn't
9:35>> given up goals like that.
9:37I thought yes, Roy, I understand. But
9:39like
9:40>> the way the pressure he's under at a
9:42club of that size trying to do what he's
9:44doing with the players he's got, you
9:46know, and now the players have they've
9:48seemed like they've changed.
9:49>> He would have known that when he took
9:50the job, right?
9:50>> Yeah. But he would have Yeah, but like
9:51everybody Roy with that everybody would
9:53think that I'm going to be the one that
9:54can maybe change it. Probably probably
9:57Pochettino if he comes think otherwise
9:59he wouldn't take the job.
9:59>> Then you look at you think Michael is
10:01just it was just out of his depth in the
10:02end.
10:03>> How do you make players defend though?
10:05Like some of the stuff that I've seen
10:06against Viller, I'm like they've got the
10:08man and it's like stay with your man and
10:11then the ball hits the crossbar, you've
10:12left your man and this the score. I'm
10:14like how is he say the ball hit the
10:17>> what was as a defender
10:20he actually attacked that like a
10:22forward. It's like why would you move it
10:23over there the header? It was crazy. I
10:25couldn't believe it. It was like
10:26>> look on Sunday the goalkeepers to be
10:29fair
10:30>> thrown two in.
10:30>> Yeah. Dalo has made a challenge that you
10:33just can't even believe and then Yuros
10:35headed it basically into his own net
10:37effectively. I mean the four goals on
10:38Sunday just
10:39>> they gave away just as bad as well.
10:40>> Yeah, they did. But the laughable the
10:42four goals that were given away by
10:43United on Sunday. I mean look the the
10:45back four that he finished with on
10:47Sunday was Du left back, Mazawi right
10:49back, Lenny Euro and Aiden Heaven. That
10:52is
10:54>> that is probably the worst back four in
10:55the Premier League. I don't know a back
10:57four that is worse than that in the
10:59Premier League right now if I watch it.
11:01That is I can't believe Manchester
11:04United have ended up with that back
11:05four. So Michael to be fair I got a bit
11:06of sympathy in the sense that he
11:08obviously has had injuries to Shaw but
11:09that was predicted and he should have
11:10signed a left back and they should have
11:11signed they should have signed a left
11:13back. Meuire de Martinez can get
11:17injured. We know they can. They've he's
11:20been left wolffully short in defense.
11:21That's self-inflicted then, isn't it? On
11:23the recruitment in the summer where
11:24everyone is saying that United need
11:26reinforcements
11:28when it be fullbacks or whatever. So,
11:30we're just So, that's on them. That's on
11:33United for not getting have
11:34>> shouldn't be shouldn't be second from
11:36bottom.
11:37>> I know we're trying to like Yeah. defend
11:40my if if Man United
11:42>> I think we'd all probably agree Man
11:44United this season, we've all said
11:46fighting for top Champions League
11:47position. So, that's fourth or
11:48>> That's what we said.
11:49>> Yeah. So if they were seventh or eighth
11:51or ninth now he wouldn't be getting
11:52sacked the second bottom. So it's like
11:56and I know what you're saying about the
11:57squad and the players and and you know
11:59and you can argue should they brought a
12:00letter back up left back is going to
12:01change too much but Man United can't be
12:04second bottoms. All the teams that
12:06they're losing to or they're not getting
12:07results against they're still better
12:08than them. So when you play Bournemouth
12:10he leaves Bruno on the bench. Yeah he's
12:12the best best player
12:13>> but Man United teams should still beat
12:15Bournemouth.
12:16>> Do you know what I mean? You should
12:17still beat Hull. So, but he's not losing
12:20his job because, oh, this one hasn't
12:21done that. He's got the second bottom.
12:23>> Why? Why has this happened? So, we we
12:25obviously know that last season he had
12:26more points, I think, than anybody else
12:27in that last part of the season. We know
12:29that obviously they didn't have Europe.
12:30We know that it was a bounce. We know
12:32that it was a bit of a relief from the
12:33players because they didn't like the
12:34system of Amarim. How has it got so bad
12:37where Manchester United are literally
12:39bottom of the league nearly? How has
12:41that got so bad?
12:42>> I go back I'd love to know what happened
12:43in the summer. I'd love to know what
12:44went on preseason.
12:46>> What's your feeling, Ro, that could have
12:47happened? What do you think happened?
12:48>> They all came back all lax daisy because
12:50he eventually got the job. When he came
12:52in last year, remember he got the job
12:53because they were panicking they weren't
12:54going to get in the Champions League.
12:56That's why they got the job. They think
12:57they don't think the previous manager
12:59was going to and getting the Champions
13:00League is key for finances etc. So
13:02they're doing the same now. But he's
13:03just on the other side of it. When he
13:05came in last year, I guarantee all Bruno
13:07was in top form, keeper was making saves
13:09and they got momentum. But we've all
13:11said here many times going that's fine
13:13going in winning football matches. But I
13:14think come the summer he was then
13:16managing the club. He was now manager of
13:18Man United is completely different. I
13:21think the player's perception of him
13:22must have changed. Whereas the few
13:23months before he's come in and got
13:25>> Did you think they were just because oh
13:26he's just going to take it until and
13:28then the new so they just played well
13:30for him.
13:30>> Might have been a bit of that. Yeah. And
13:31again it just focuses on winning a few
13:33league games and again no Europe no
13:35other kind of other challenges but then
13:36the summer whatever preseason when did
13:38they came back? How did they train? Why
13:40isn't he getting these players he came
13:41in? Because that's part of the
13:42management. You got to manage upwards.
13:44So you might say, everyone would say
13:45they need a left back, but make sure you
13:46get a left back in.
13:48>> Make sure you have a backup. We've said
13:50that all the time. We've been praising
13:51Arsenal and City last few years. They've
13:52got strength and depth. Man United are
13:54always going to struggle. Then Bruno
13:56comes back, not in great form. Maybe
13:57he's got issues with his contract. Who
13:59knows? The goalkeeper all of a sudden,
14:02wow. And again, go back to the
14:04goalkeeper. Last year when he came in,
14:05there was no pressure on him was he was
14:07like, hey, he's doing all right. The
14:08goalkeeper, he's met some good. Then all
14:09of a sudden go, no, you're you're you're
14:10the main man. You're the top goalkeeper.
14:12makes a big mistake at the World Cup and
14:14he comes back and maybe he's all of a
14:15sudden going, "Yeah, you're you're
14:17number one goalkeeper." Oh, last year I
14:18was kind of under that radar.
14:20>> Expectation, pressure. Same with the
14:22manager and you start the season the way
14:24they did and we talk the key for any go
14:26back that momentum. They had a bad
14:28start,
14:28>> the goals they given away. Even last
14:30week going to Villa, you're talking
14:31starting quick. Roll your sleeves up.
14:33You're two on after four minutes.
14:35>> This episode of Stick to Football is
14:37brought to you by Disney Plus.
14:42when you watch them playing and no one
14:43likes this getting said about the team
14:45and this is always a the trick of a new
14:47manager. The players don't look fit.
14:48Pochettino might say and the previous
14:50manager nobody likes that but you you
14:52can't help but when you watch them play
14:54they don't look at the level physically
14:56to other Premier League teams when you
14:58when you're watching teams play watching
15:00the pace of teams play even like like
15:01Brighton like the sort of one we're all
15:03talking about at the moment when you're
15:04watching Man United it feels like a
15:06level down physically when you're
15:07watching the pace of the game. feels
15:09slow
15:09>> when you're watching them and when you
15:11think of any manager who comes into a
15:13team
15:14>> and I'm sure Pochettino will say this
15:16>> and maybe rightly so
15:18>> always talk about preseason you'll
15:19mention that how important a preseason
15:21is of like getting your ideas across but
15:23physically
15:24>> and they just look miles off so whatever
15:27happened preseason whether again you've
15:29got the best in class in terms of a
15:31manager or a fitness coach or sports
15:32science I don't know but when you watch
15:34them play they're nowhere near
15:37the preseason wasn't A good one. Have
15:38you heard something?
15:39>> That's Yeah, I know you can't believe
15:41everything you hear. Obviously on that,
15:43but you hear from decent people who
15:45compare them to what they were training
15:46and you're thinking again, well, I don't
15:48I like hear when I hear stuff when
15:49there's like no edge. There's no edge to
15:51anything they do.
15:53>> And we talk about playing, we we spoke
15:54at the weekend of a game, you know,
15:55people talk about when you're playing
15:56for one of the big clubs, what you do in
15:58possession.
15:59>> It's what you do out of possession.
16:01That's the key. United will always be a
16:03goal. Even the other day there was they
16:04scored four goals. Four goals. So going
16:06forward, you're thinking, "Yeah, Villa
16:08poor." It's what you do out of
16:09possession that will determine where
16:11you're going to go as a football club.
16:12People think that people always say go,
16:14"Oh, it's about entertainment." Of
16:15course, you got entertainment in
16:16possession. Of course, that's why people
16:19love Man United. They love all the great
16:20players, but don't don't forget about
16:22what happens when you're out of
16:23possession. That is the key.
16:24>> All the great teams
16:25>> at the moment. A brilliant example
16:27obviously is Arsenal. Arsenal out of
16:29possession. They're hunting packs. And I
16:32hear stuff when Arsenal went on
16:33preseason and I don't I don't want to
16:35hear they were in Ireland. You hear
16:37about Man United were in Ireland. People
16:38were comparing they were like talking
16:39cheese the way Arsenal train to Man
16:41United and these are all and when you've
16:43got quality better players on top of
16:44that.
16:45>> So this this this these results United
16:48are having or these performances that's
16:50just going to continue. But you always
16:51say United have to have to be a running
16:53team, you know, be and I think it looks
16:56worse when a United team aren't fit or
16:58aren't at the races or they've got
16:59players who can't because the pitch is
17:00so big. You'd almost look at the team
17:02and you think the pitch is too big for
17:04them.
17:04>> And that's what I feel every time I see
17:06Man United play.
17:07>> What's if it's Pochettino? What's what's
17:09Pochettino going to do?
17:12>> I mean look that's that's
17:13>> you've gone through every manager, ex
17:14player, interim, everything
17:17>> successful, not successful, new guy,
17:19foreign guy. What what's
17:21>> one thing we do know about him is he
17:22does run his players. He does physic put
17:25physical fitness really at the top of
17:27the agenda. He's always had fit teams
17:29whether they've won or whe they've not
17:30won. He's always had very fit teams. I
17:32think there was a name of a Tuesday. I
17:34think Harry Kane and I remember we used
17:35to train at Tottenham's training ground
17:37when I was with England and they used to
17:39have that Tuesday sort of I'm calling it
17:41terror Tuesday but it wasn't called
17:42terror Tuesday. I [laughter] mean
17:45I'm just something called it was
17:47something like that. His run was like
17:49famous at that time in terms of what he
17:50does with every team. He does run them.
17:52So
17:52>> lots of stories Trippy and all these
17:54like you say going right if you're
17:56playing for him you got to be able to
17:57run
17:57>> fit. Yeah. So I know that Harry Kane
17:59said that his training sessions were
18:00really tough. There was runs after
18:01training on Tuesdays and Wednesdays that
18:03were really hard that used to like
18:04almost floor them. He bring them down
18:06then before the game, but they were
18:07always fit. His teams to be fair. I mean
18:10that's one thing I think he will deal
18:11with straight away. He obviously got a
18:13lot of experience now. Um he knows I
18:15think how to he doesn't know how to
18:16coach a team. I there's something about
18:18Manchester United in this last month or
18:19two that I felt was just very basic when
18:21you're watching them. That's that's a
18:23big problem that when the other teams
18:24look like they know what they're doing
18:25more than than United. But just just
18:27coming back to Michael Carrick because I
18:28just want to finish really on him.
18:32>> I think a few of us around this table,
18:33probably most maybe not all of us, but a
18:35few of us didn't want Michael to get the
18:37job
18:38>> for a couple of couple of reasons. We
18:40thought that Manchester United should go
18:41and get the best in class. Part of my
18:43reasoning was I didn't want this moment.
18:45I didn't want this last three, four
18:47weeks of seeing him effectively
18:48terrorized on that touch line and
18:50walking around the pitch at the end of
18:51the game. It's awful.
18:52>> The fans have been all right with him.
18:53>> Oh, have been great with him and they
18:54always will be all righty. But do you
18:56know something? I think Roy, you said it
18:57on the last podcast around there's
18:58nothing worse than people feeling sorry
19:00for you and feeling that sort of empathy
19:02and that sort of like oh feel you it's a
19:04bit of that there's an element of
19:05they'll always support him. It's a
19:06little bit like Ollie towards the end.
19:08It's painful.
19:08>> It is quite painful when you've played
19:10with someone and you see them and you
19:12knew this was I never thought it would
19:13happen like this by the way. None of us
19:14foresaw that this would happen so
19:16quickly but I do feel that we saw this
19:18coming that this moment was going to
19:20come at some point. How how does this
19:23impact him now in terms of the next sort
19:25of six months of his life? Just Jim, we
19:26know just just Gem, how will he feel?
19:28The feeling he has for the club, the
19:30love he has for the club. We all know
19:31that. But that means it hurts even more,
19:33doesn't it? And we've, you know, we've
19:34all had to come back from these moments
19:36of challenge. How does he feel now?
19:38>> I think he will bounce back, though. I
19:39do. I think it it's been such a tough
19:43time for him, but as you say, the fans,
19:45I think he's conducted himself in the
19:47right way. I think the way the club's
19:48treated him, especially these last few
19:50weeks, I think they've hung him out a
19:52dry at times. But I think I just think
19:54in terms of
19:56>> like this just seems to have been going
19:57on if the meeting happens in Monaco and
20:00then he gets the news. I just feel like
20:02they're just kind of using him as a bit
20:04of a scapegoat. The the problems run so
20:07much deeper at Man United. You look at I
20:09don't want to compare to other clubs,
20:11but like say Liverpool's so good at
20:13recruiting. Uh City have always had a
20:15structure and an identity. Why every
20:17time Man United get a new manager, it's
20:19got to be this full rebuild. Like what
20:21is Man United's identity structure? Like
20:23if you look at them, what would you say
20:25it is?
20:25>> Michael Car, remember Michael Carrick's
20:27been under Mourinho. He's been under
20:28Ollie.
20:29>> Mhm.
20:29>> He's worked under previous managers.
20:30He's not got the job himself. So he
20:32knows he knows the gig.
20:34>> So I'm I won't be losing sleep tonight.
20:36I won't you know what I mean? I won't be
20:37There's other managers losing their
20:38jobs. That's the gig they're in.
20:40>> But we've said it previously. What what
20:42what does Michael Carrick do at Man
20:44United? If if he's worked on the Marino,
20:46he's worked on the Ali. I've never heard
20:48this vibe going. He's amazing on the
20:50training pitch. He does the sessions,
20:51whatever. Then he gets the manager's job
20:53and then there's this lap this stuff
20:55around the pitching. So I'm just
20:56wondering what what's he bringing to the
20:58party. I don't know. So when a manager
20:59loses his job, you're going again, he's
21:03he knew all that before he got involved.
21:05Jill, I I think he's a lucky boy. Yeah,
21:08I I understand what you're saying and
21:10you know sometimes managers can be
21:11treated, but I think he's coming he's
21:13done well for the club, got them in the
21:14Champions League. They weren't expecting
21:15that. And and for me, I obviously some
21:17of us disagree, but I could understand
21:19the club giving them the job and trying
21:20to do the same again and have two years
21:22in the Champions League. Even if Man
21:23United finished fifth, then get the
21:25manager you're talking about. But you
21:27two have both been coaches. I was
21:28thinking about this cuz we're at a stage
21:30now. We're always looking at United the
21:32hierarchy to mess this is that and then
21:34we'll point at Liverpool FSG or we'll
21:36point at Tottenham with Pochettino Una
21:40or Aston Villa and but I think a great
21:44football manager changes it FSG no one
21:47was raving about FSG and how they were
21:49doing things before Jen Klopp came in no
21:51one we were Aston Villa before coming
21:53now we think this this this club did
21:55they do everything right this align
21:56everyone says alignment manel alignment
21:58think you're going for a scan Honestly,
22:00I'm sick of hearing this word alignment.
22:03>> That's manager. Jamie, the top manager
22:06managers manager
22:07>> and then everyone thinks this club is
22:09amazing because this guy's coming. No
22:10one was saying that about Villa before
22:12Emry coming in. I said Klopp before he
22:14um with with FSG and now Klopp's left
22:17and I never put a bit like are we
22:18running it right? Is this right? Is that
22:20right? A great manager fixes a lot.
22:23>> Manchester United have had great
22:24managers.
22:24>> Yeah.
22:25>> You haven't done a good job.
22:26>> Hang on. Okay. Okay. So, on that basis,
22:28Louis Van Hal, who's one of the most
22:30experienced managers at in the top level
22:31you could ever wish for and Jose
22:33Mourinho, they have been great managers.
22:36Let's be clear about that. They weren't
22:38able to swim against this tide.
22:41>> So, what what's the cause of I get why
22:43they won? They won a trophy and this is
22:46a team second bottom of the league. You
22:47can't compare. Look, Michael obviously
22:49needs to go and that's that's been the
22:51the reason I agree with Jill in part is
22:53that after Bournemouth
22:55>> I up to Bournemouth I think to be fair I
22:57don't think he could have any complaints
22:58after Bournemouth the delay for the next
23:01whatever it was being two weeks to to
23:03losing his job
23:04>> that was unnecessary pain that he's been
23:06caused and then the idea that now
23:08they're not even sacking him today
23:10whilst they're speaking to Poettino and
23:12yet they're over in Monaco having a sort
23:13of why are they not in Manchester why
23:15are they not in Manchester dealing with
23:17it and letting B look I've sacked
23:19managers rightly and wrongly by the way
23:21but one thing you always think about is
23:23the welfare of the guy that you're
23:24sacking because to be fair you don't
23:26want to do it a manager no owner wants
23:28to sack a manager. Yeah, but what they
23:29think after the Bournemouth game they
23:30still might have thought we'll give him
23:31another the next intern. We obviously
23:33the international break seemed to be a
23:34big thing for clubs. So maybe the club
23:36will go let's give him another two or
23:37three games.
23:38>> But Roy but Roy after that that that lap
23:41around the pitch
23:41>> we tal I know we all agree
23:43>> that that was that was
23:44>> well from their point of view probably
23:45thinking just give him another just give
23:46him another two.
23:47>> But if you believe did did anybody
23:49around this table believe it was going
23:50to change after Bournemouth? No. No. We
23:52all thought that to be fair this moment
23:53would come when Michael would lose his
23:55job.
23:56>> You've got to do it quickly then at that
23:58point. You have to do it quickly. That's
23:59where they've been stuck for two weeks.
24:01They've literally not made a decision
24:02and you've got to make decisions that
24:04bring interim. Who's going to be the
24:07inter?
24:07>> My point is though, you've got you
24:09Michael for the last two weeks that has
24:10been painful to watch.
24:12>> But it's not about Michael Car, it's
24:13about Man United. So those people in
24:15charge, if they're thinking it's better
24:16for Man United that Michael Carrick is
24:18still in charge, we've still got some
24:19sort of figure. [laughter]
24:21Okay. Who's who's going to be
24:22>> because they can't make a decision.
24:23>> But they're probably still looking for a
24:24manager. Me point being is Michael
24:26Carrick got the job on the back of
24:27nothing. He got the the job on the back
24:29of basically played for Man United and
24:31he done really well. So this idea, oh,
24:33we've got to feel sorry for Michael
24:34Carrick. What's happened to him the last
24:3518 months, he he will still look back at
24:37this and we'll say it's painful for them
24:38right now. But what he did to get him to
24:41the Champions League that the big games
24:42he won against Arsenal, Liverpool, all
24:44all these games he did brilliantly. He's
24:46had a couple of games the last couple of
24:47weeks, the Roma game and coming back
24:484-4. We're the on the tables obviously,
24:51but you know that thing of you know the
24:53the fan is chanting his name as he's
24:55going off but I'm I'm not sat here
24:56feeling sorry for Michael Carrick. He's
24:58not he's not a manager who's been
24:59manager for 10 years working all over
25:01the wheel to get this job at Man United.
25:03He had about two years at Middlesbor was
25:04doing a bit of punishy and then got the
25:06Man United job
25:07>> they giving me. So this team to have a
25:09go with them cuz they kept him in the
25:11another two or three games. I feel sorry
25:12for Michael Carrick. He was managing one
25:14of the biggest clubs in the world on the
25:15back of basically not really doing a lot
25:17and he's done and Luma he's done he got
25:19them in the Champions League. He's done
25:20really well but he was never at the
25:22caliber of managers in the the managers
25:24in the Premier League are the best in
25:25the world you know and he's just not
25:28quite at that level. Okay. We all said
25:30the fact he's managed we all said that
25:32he shouldn't get the job. We we all we
25:33were absolutely alive. We said he
25:34shouldn't get the job. I mean
25:35>> I said that I' give him a chance. You
25:37you said generally no one at the level
25:40of
25:41>> it's no it's no big distraction that
25:42they've given another extra week couple
25:44of weeks guys is it? Yeah. Yeah. That's
25:46not
25:46>> look to me may maybe look it'll be
25:48forgotten about in two days when Mitio
25:49Pochino is appointed early next week
25:51maybe everyone will forget about it.
25:53Michael will ship into but to be fair
25:55we've been there Michael will get the
25:57idea of today even we're sat here today
26:01recording this program knowing that
26:02Michael Carrick is going to be sacked
26:04tomorrow knowing that they're speaking
26:05to Mitzio Pochettino knowing that they
26:07spoken to Nglesman how and they should
26:08be doing that by the I'm not saying they
26:10shouldn't be doing that,
26:11>> but just I think the fact they're in
26:12Monaco now and that they can't suck him
26:14in knowing that it's happening to me
26:16just feels a little bit clumsy. It feels
26:17a little bit classless. I would say that
26:19you know Manchester United should have
26:21their board meeting in Manchester today.
26:24They should deal with
26:24>> Isn't that where Sir Jim lives? He lives
26:26there. And he
26:26>> Yeah, but what I'm saying to I think if
26:27you live in Monaco and you can't not you
26:30can't leave a guy hanging for 24 hours
26:32just because you live in Monaco. That
26:33can't happen.
26:33>> Yeah, but maybe he can't come in
26:36just resign.
26:36>> Maybe he can't. Yeah, you know,
26:38>> I know. I know. So, don't worry. It'll
26:40be all right. He'll be all right for a
26:41few. Don't worry.
26:42>> He's doing it over there.
26:44>> I think you're getting distracted by it.
26:45>> You're too close.
26:46>> It's It's not too close. It's just It's
26:48just something that I would
26:49>> But it reflects the where the club is
26:51the last few years.
26:53>> Can't even aren't even coming over to to
26:55>> But you're on about the previous world
26:56class managers, whatever. Michael
26:57Carrick, they treated them badly at the
26:59end.
27:00>> Bit of sack them. David Moyes all they
27:02all deserve sacked after the FA Cup.
27:05who got set up FA Cup top manager.
27:08>> Why do people want to take this job
27:09though like going off all the record
27:12like
27:14someone think that's the thing James
27:16someone will say Michael um Pochettino
27:19might be saying I think I can do I can
27:20do it because when you look at the
27:22players and who he's going to try and
27:24hopefully get because they will they'll
27:26give him the money to buy the players
27:27whether or not the players want to join
27:28Man United in this time it's totally
27:30different. is he the manager that's got
27:32the power to to pull that player in what
27:34he's going to need because I know that
27:35they can buy that player but does he
27:36want to go to United at the moment he's
27:38got to deal with all that yes he's
27:39saying right he's got to he's got to get
27:41him fit which is fine and once you see
27:43if you get Man United fit they will be
27:45competing at a better level but at the
27:47moment we have to see what's going to
27:48happen because I think that Pochettino
27:50you know how many times they so many
27:52occasions where he could have gone there
27:54they've not taken him I think they took
27:55Ollie before him then they to Eric
27:57Tenhog and then they renewed Eric Tenhog
28:00when he could have gone and and then
28:01they sacked Eric Tenhog. He's been
28:03messed about a bit as well.
28:05>> Let's come on to Mitino. But the thing
28:07the thing I'm talking about in this last
28:0824 48 hours is symptomatic of just
28:11generally the decision making or lack of
28:13decision- making for the last 13 years.
28:15Manchester United have had 11 managers
28:17in 13 years.
28:18>> Wow.
28:19>> They spent one they've spent 1.6 billion
28:21pounds on players. If you just said 11
28:23if you just said 13 years ago we're
28:25going to spend 1.6 billion pounds and be
28:28in the relegation zone. That'd be very
28:29difficult to do, wouldn't it?
28:30>> It'd be you you'd need what's called a
28:32magician to do that.
28:33>> That' be that'd be difficult to do,
28:34wouldn't it?
28:34>> You'd need a magician,
28:36>> honestly. So, you've had 11 managers.
28:39>> You've had three or four managers in the
28:40last three years. Now, you've had 1.6
28:42billion pounds spent on players. The
28:44club's 1.2 billion pounds in debt.
28:46>> They're not making decisions that look
28:48great just generally in that period.
28:50They've kept Michael Carrick when they
28:52shouldn't have kept Michael Carrick.
28:53They've keenhagen when they shouldn't
28:54have kept Eric Tenhagen. They've
28:55appointed Ruben Am when they shouldn't
28:56have appointed Ruben Amarim. They've
28:58constantly made these decisions over 13
29:00years. There comes a point where you've
29:02got to say,
29:05>> I'll give you a small example. I for
29:07three years did not get promoted with
29:09Sulford
29:10>> and sacked four sacked three managers or
29:12two managers in a season and I was
29:14removed from my role of looking after
29:16the football department having looked
29:17after it for six years previously and
29:18having four promotions and winning an
29:20EFL trophy.
29:21>> No one [laughter]
29:24don't. No, seriously. You end up after
29:26three years, you think, "Hang on a
29:26minute, I'm not getting this right
29:27anymore." You have a conversation and
29:29other people take over the football
29:31department because ultimately you think
29:32to yourself, "Hang on a minute, I'm not
29:33delivering success here now and I should
29:34be delivering success." They've been
29:36there for 13 years since Alex Ferguson
29:38not giving sustained systematic failure
29:41on and off the pitch. Right? The
29:43stadium's a mess. It leaks every time it
29:45rains. Right? They've got to find two
29:48billion pound for stadium. They're 1.2
29:49billion pound in debt. They spent 1.6
29:51billion pound on players. They've had 11
29:52managers. the bottom of the league. They
29:53finished 15th last season.
29:55>> I heard people saying things G like you
29:57know Man United don't need success on
29:59the pitch. They're still going to that's
30:01at the core of what you're doing success
30:03on the pitch.
30:04>> Aram Glazer last week comes out in a
30:06conference and says that the commercial
30:09success of Manchester United does not
30:11depend upon them being successful on the
30:13pitch. Now to be fair as a statement
30:15it's probably correct. The revenues are
30:16higher, the money's coming in. The fact
30:19of the matter is for an owner of a
30:20football club to even contemplate not
30:23being successful on the pitch club like
30:24Manchester United is horrific.
30:28We had we spoke about that a couple.
30:29They're not going anywhere, are they?
30:31They're not you're talking about So
30:32we're talking [laughter]
30:34I'm talking about the decision making.
30:35I'm talking about
30:36>> Haven't they passed it on to Inos?
30:37>> Yeah. To Inos to Jim Racist to sporting
30:39director um Jason Wilcox Omar Barada
30:42they made it.
30:42>> Are they going to stay there now? If if
30:44so PCH going to bring if he comes he's
30:45going to bring all these guys in. What
30:47point? At what point did they just carry
30:49on doing this in this loop? This loop.
30:51How long How many times you get to a go
30:53at this?
30:54>> Well, a loop just keeps going, doesn't
30:55it?
30:56>> EXACTLY. [laughter]
31:00>> It's look like they're in the loop
31:02again. They got to get out of the
31:03Matrix. They're like Neo in that train
31:04station where he can't get out of
31:06>> writery. You had a little bit of this
31:08with Arsenal with when you had Usmanov
31:10and you had the Kroni family owning it
31:11and the fans were absolutely marching.
31:13They were marching against the owners.
31:15there was a massive problem. There was
31:16football failure effectively for quite a
31:18period of time where there was
31:20achievement and there was discontent off
31:21the pitch.
31:23>> Arsenal sorted that out through a change
31:25in ownership.
31:26>> Yeah. But it's not even that. Arsenal
31:27sorted it out because obviously there
31:30was a time where they called him silent
31:32Stan. They weren't involved. They
31:33weren't saying anything. The owners but
31:35that was only until they bought 100%
31:37share.
31:38>> But the change that changed the
31:39direction the whole club. So when people
31:41>> once they own it, if you're going to own
31:42something then you're going to start
31:43putting it in. But right here when
31:44people say, "Oh, forget about the
31:45owners, the players on the pitch." Hang
31:46on a minute. Arsenal are a great
31:48example. FSG are a great example. They
31:49had Hicks and Gillette before that. They
31:51had now they got FSG. Arsenal. They had
31:54the Usmanov family running it. Now Krony
31:56coming. Josh,
31:56>> they weren't running at Usmanov. He's
31:58trying to get involved. Josh Kroni comes
32:00over all of a sudden puts a lot of
32:01effort into it and it changes the whole
32:03direction of a club. To say that an
32:05owner doesn't impact the outcome of a
32:07football club and think it's just the
32:09players and the manager is wrong. It's
32:10just wrong. and ownership will change
32:12the direction of a football club. So
32:14that is the ultimate change. And then
32:15the sporting department, this has been a
32:17mess for 13 years.
32:19>> United had a right for a long time. Is
32:21it like in any business you get it right
32:22for you're on about Arsenal getting
32:24wrong, Liverpool have got wrong, then
32:25they get it right, you're thinking City
32:26all the answers the last few years. Is
32:28that just the nature of of the business
32:30football where you go we'll have a
32:32success 10 15 years then you go they
32:34seem to everyone's looking at Brighton.
32:36Look what Brighton are doing now. What
32:37were Brighton doing for the last 30
32:38years when
32:38>> you can't accept it Roy? Can you? We
32:40can't accept.
32:40>> No, you can't accept it. But if we're
32:41talking about football and issues here
32:43today on the podcast and we're football
32:45and people,
32:47>> but that is that's a long-term no.
32:48>> You've had bad owners as a manager where
32:51you thought not bad owners, but you've
32:52had owners where you maybe felt you've
32:53not been supported properly from. And
32:55how does that feel when you're looking
32:56up and you don't feel you're getting the
32:58support from above from a sporting
32:59director or an owner? How does that make
33:01you feel as a manager when you're
33:02struggling upwards?
33:03>> No, I think it's part of your challenge,
33:04isn't it? I think I think when when I
33:06hear managers going in, they leave. They
33:07go, "Oh, they they didn't the promises
33:10they gave me last year didn't I I don't
33:12think don't believe anything they tell
33:13you when you go in and you got to battle
33:15away if they support."
33:16>> Is that But Roy, what you just said
33:17there? I like to think that when a
33:19manager comes into Sulford and by the
33:20way, it ends up badly. When I speak to a
33:22manager on the way in, Roy, I I believe
33:24everything I'm saying to them. Now, it
33:26might not go up.
33:26>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Goal post. People can
33:28move the goal post as well, man. Yeah.
33:29Circumstances can change. I don't mean I
33:31don't mean owners going out of the way
33:32to try and trip you up but circumstances
33:35change whatever it might be. Um but yeah
33:38I when again when I hear managers going
33:39and going yeah if club saying there's
33:42going to be money to spend you just take
33:43all that with a pinch of salt because
33:45you don't know until you get into the
33:46job the reality kicks in
33:47>> you know you know as well with
33:48>> like Carrick in the summer we're all
33:49saying they needed some defenders
33:51United's plan the last few years going
33:52last year was attacking players this
33:54year they're going and we're all
33:55football and people said but it's got to
33:57start at the back why why are
33:59goalkeepers going for huge money why do
34:01you have to be defensively solid to go
34:03that's your foundation now we know that
34:05you telling me the people at United
34:06don't know that Will Cox cuz he
34:08obviously he's played football at a good
34:10level that's the bit you that's the
34:12confusing bit and even Mike Carrick you
34:14know but when he come the summer I be
34:16he's sitting with the staff we're going
34:17l we kind of got away with it last year
34:18we got momentum but no it's a real
34:20challenge more games
34:21>> we need to get better defenders and when
34:23the club is saying you we look at
34:24midfielders no we'll tell you what we
34:26need cuz we're football people they
34:27spent 1.6 six billion pounds on players
34:29and they had one midfield player in the
34:31summer, one midfield player, Ugati who's
34:33injured, sorry, Kobe Mayuati who's
34:35injured, they one midfield player that
34:37was fit, right? And a defense that has
34:39failed over three or four years. How can
34:42that be?
34:43>> But how does that change? Will that
34:45change? Just cuz a new manager is coming
34:47in, will they now buy or is it going to
34:49be the same problem?
34:50>> All the guys upstairs, what's his name?
34:52Omar Barada.
34:53>> There's got to be consequence, hasn't
34:54there? above Michael surely and below
34:56Michael for that matter.
34:57>> So you're talking about Will you're
34:58talking about you're talking about Inios
35:00aren't you? So Jim Ratcliffe now has
35:01been there for what what three or four
35:03years they've got the manager on three
35:04or four times and and you know the
35:06recruitment
35:07>> on the back of that. So what I'm saying
35:09is you saying they they're the ones who
35:10should be going. How do they how does
35:12that dynamic work with the Glazers
35:14actually own the club that they've got a
35:16big majority if they they're the ones
35:18running the club now cuz the best thing
35:19the Glazers have done is put them in
35:21charge. That's what they've done. So
35:22people are looking how would you get how
35:23are you talking about them getting
35:24because the glazers aren't going
35:25anywhere
35:26>> the glazers or will they see this sorry
35:27will they see the carrot decision last
35:29year going this they'll say that is a
35:31that was a good decision because you got
35:33him in the Champions League and now in
35:34the Champions League and the refuge is
35:35coming in yeah it's not walked this time
35:36but we'll get another manager in
35:38hopefully get momentum and we get back
35:39to fourth or fifth because that that's
35:41available that seems to be available for
35:43lots of teams if you get momentum fifth
35:45or sixth so I I reckon the owners are
35:47probably going the Carrick thing kind of
35:49walked out he was in the Champions
35:52short term. Last year it did. Why did
35:54they give him the job? Why did they give
35:55him the job last year? Caretaker job.
35:57Their fear was we're going to miss
35:58something in the Champions League.
36:00>> They were frightened to have they're not
36:01worried about the league title or cups.
36:02They think we need to be in the
36:03Champions League revenue wise. So last
36:04year they probably go that one worked
36:06out pretty well. Okay. Okay. They should
36:07have gave them in the summer. We all
36:09said that but obviously panicked. They
36:11thought we'll give him another one or
36:12two year deal and then we're going but
36:14is that is that decision again business
36:15people footballing people?
36:18>> Are they on the same page now? the
36:19chemistry. You go back to United when it
36:21was Ferguson and Gil. Was it just
36:22between them two and the scouts? No.
36:24When you got so many opinions.
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36:35>> I love Danny.
36:36>> I believe you're a fan of Danny Dyer.
36:37You're a fan of Danny Dyer, aren't you?
36:38>> We should get Danny D. [laughter]
36:42>> That's what they That's what Ben told me
36:44this morning. The fountain of knowledge.
36:46Said Danny I said Danny Weber.
36:48[laughter]
36:49Who's the biggest personality that
36:51you've ever Danny Dier has got a massive
36:52personality. He's no wall flight. Who's
36:54the biggest personality that you've ever
36:55met in football? I'm going to say Gaza.
36:58>> Oh yes,
36:58>> Gaza is the biggest personality I've
36:59ever met. No one like Gaza.
37:01>> Personality.
37:02>> Personality in training, personality in
37:04the warm-up, personality in in the
37:06hotel.
37:06>> I was with the
37:07>> mad energy, didn't it? You know, can I
37:09go?
37:09>> I was with Klopp on Thursday. Name
37:11dropping here, but we did a charity
37:12thing. So, we got charity people in
37:13today. So, we went over to Germany. Uh,
37:16so he's flew to Frankfurt where he he
37:19played or managed when he was younger.
37:20Mine. So he still lives there. His local
37:22restaurant.
37:23>> 15 of us went over. It was only supposed
37:25to be six, but 15 of us. [laughter]
37:27And we got there and he started going
37:29one, two, three.
37:30>> But he just like I mean obviously not
37:33interviewed him, done different things,
37:35but what people see on camera is exactly
37:37what you see off camera. He clock so he
37:40just uh sat in. He just got up like
37:42>> you know stop. He got up and just gave
37:44this speech. didn't know anyone went
37:45right through it round everyone stand up
37:47what's your name how much have you paid
37:49for this how much you done that and he
37:50just like
37:51>> funny [snorts]
37:52just like
37:53>> good company
37:55a nice little post out about you
37:57actually
37:57>> yeah yeah yeah I bet that went out um I
38:00[laughter] thought it was nice
38:00>> obviously Gaza was amazing especially
38:02when he was with him in the England
38:03squad he made it he made it brilliant to
38:05be there but I'd probably say Vinnie
38:07Jones
38:08>> Vinnie Jones Vincent the Jones boy
38:11>> said Brian Kloff's biggest character
38:13>> we need Vinnie on here don't Yeah,
38:14>> it'd be nice to get interview
38:17biggest character.
38:18>> You never see the likes of him again
38:20ever.
38:20>> You know, see some of the clips of him
38:21when he used to do the He's just
38:22brilliant. Everything he said was just
38:24like brilliant.
38:25>> Hitting the fans was unbelievable.
38:26>> Oh, that was brilliant. And just the way
38:27he was waiting for one as well.
38:29>> Then the next day they apologized.
38:31[laughter]
38:32>> They apologized. Sorry. Sorry for going
38:34on the pitch, MR. CLUB.
38:35>> AND THEY WERE like two and he was like
38:38[laughter]
38:38brilliant.
38:41>> He's brilliant. Bill.
38:42>> Um, I actually worked with Gaza on a
38:45Channel 4 game and he has a massive
38:47personality. He just says it how it is.
38:49Um, I don't think they wanted them to do
38:50live TV for that reason.
38:52>> But yeah, um, I'm trying to think in in
38:56terms of teammates. Ellon, she's a good
38:59personality. Yeah, probably like off the
39:02pitch on the pitch.
39:03>> Good.
39:03>> Yeah.
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39:59If you just look at it from a sort of
40:00skeletal position,
40:03you've got one group of owners who to be
40:04fair are remote and detached in the US.
40:07>> And how did they get involved in the Was
40:08there a there was a horse involved in?
40:10[laughter]
40:11>> Have you seen the amount of stuff amount
40:13of stuff that's come through you?
40:14>> Just be quiet. [laughter] Right. You've
40:16got a group you've got a group you've
40:17got a group of owners in the US in
40:20America who don't come over. M
40:22>> you've got ownership in Monaco,
40:24>> who to be fair is probably restricted in
40:26coming over.
40:26>> Of course. Yeah.
40:27>> You've got a sporting director who's
40:28doing his first ever gig as a sporting
40:30director and you've got a manager who's
40:32doing his first ever gig as a Premier
40:33League manager.
40:34>> If you just said that, if you just said
40:36that to yourself, if you had a business
40:39and you said, "Right, okay, the owners
40:41are never going to come in. They're
40:42never going to touch it. And they're
40:43gonna have an inexperienced CEO and
40:45they're gonna have an inexperienced sort
40:46of head of operations or manager.
40:48>> And you're gonna have an inexperienced
40:50uh director here. You'd be like, "That's
40:53madness, isn't it?"
40:54>> Yeah.
40:54>> But let's get an inexperienced manager
40:56as well, just in case.
40:57>> That's crazy, isn't it?
40:58>> The outcome's almost already written,
41:00isn't that true?
41:01>> You couldn't write it.
41:02>> You could not write that script. And
41:04then before that, for the 10 years
41:05before Inos, you had no sporting
41:07department, no sporting director. You
41:09had Ed Ed Woodward playing football
41:10manager.
41:11literally no football department.
41:13>> Should they go back to that and just get
41:15rid of the football?
41:16>> If you think about what's happened and
41:18to the point where now
41:20>> the club won't I keep saying this as if
41:22it's like it is a massive problem.
41:24They've got 1.2 billion pounds of debt.
41:26>> So you know when you look so you know
41:28before when you're saying have they not
41:30addressed the defense I'm a bit like
41:32that. So if you're in that much debt and
41:34they need to fix the midfield and you're
41:36saying they need to buy left facing
41:37where's the way to people think the
41:38money's
41:38>> they haven't got the money.
41:39>> That's what I'm saying. They found they
41:41found a few Bob to get midfielders.
41:43>> Yeah. But I'm saying the attackers point
41:45is if you look at it, the owners of
41:47Manchester United right now haven't got
41:49the cash to be able to support a su
41:51successful football team.
41:53>> And you know what United aren't very
41:54good at. You're on about recruitment,
41:55moving players on.
41:56>> Oh, shocking.
41:57>> Like Jo Rashford, we go back to
41:58Rashford. Rashford. Rashford should have
42:01been moved on. Arsenal done some good
42:03deals towards the end, didn't it?
42:04They're getting That's people talk about
42:05management as you know with Salford.
42:07It's not necess players out. Yeah, we
42:09had a problem getting players. Oh,
42:10getting lads off two or 300 grand a week
42:12and then going, "No, we might be able to
42:13get a left back."
42:14>> That's that's where they don't seem to
42:16be um getting a right either. Moving
42:17players on.
42:18>> They still should have got left back
42:19ages ago though and a midfielder. Ages
42:22ago. How long have we been talking about
42:24um with Luke Shaw and his problems
42:25injury that should have had a left back
42:27covering
42:28>> ages? They gone for forwards went
42:30forwards now. Let's do the midfields.
42:31We'll do the we'll do the center backs
42:33next season or so.
42:34>> Anyway, but you do have to believe a
42:35good manager come in maybe would get
42:37people. Yeah, but Roy
42:39>> a bit of together. Let's talk about
42:40that.
42:40>> Yeah, but Pers's got to do is keep them
42:42out of relegation.
42:44They'll be all right. Could be. Yeah, it
42:45could be.
42:45>> I liked them when he was on here.
42:47>> Let's talk Let's talk about that because
42:48a week on Sunday, Michael will to be
42:50fair probably removed away from the
42:53thinking. There'll be a new project. We
42:57do like I mean I to be fair you know
42:59this. I've actually asked for Mitzio to
43:00be the manager of Manchester United
43:01probably for about seven or eight years
43:02and he's finally going to get it. bit
43:04late in the day for me, but he's gonna
43:06get it. And he's gonna be sat in the
43:08Anfield dugouts a week on Sunday. Do we
43:11think that this is an appointment that
43:13will take Manchester United back to a
43:14level whereby over three or four years,
43:16one he can keep his job and he can
43:18deliver what would be what maybe what
43:20Klopp did at Liverpool, maybe what Artat
43:22has done at Arsenal where there's just
43:24that gradual improvement that sort of
43:26what will be that feeling that you're on
43:27a journey and that something's
43:28happening. Do we feel that this can
43:29happen? I I think with Pochettino I I
43:32think he's
43:34>> I I think it's a really good appointment
43:35because I didn't right now Man United
43:38have to have somebody who's got Premier
43:39League experience because you're in a
43:40relegation fight right now. It might
43:41change in the next four to six weeks. So
43:43I was thinking Eddie
43:44>> in a relegation fight.
43:45>> No, but what I'm saying is if you're if
43:47you're inside the club though, Roy, you
43:49always have that like fear. You've just
43:51talked about the back foot. No, we
43:52don't. But I think the thought of
43:54bringing in someone who've never managed
43:55in the Premier League before I think
43:56would scare you when you look at where
43:58Man United are in the league. So I
43:59that's why I was thinking Eddie how I
44:01never thought Pochettino would be
44:03available because he he'd signed a new
44:04contract. But so I think it's the the
44:06best person United could have got
44:09Premier League experience, managed real
44:11big clubs. I think he'd be able to carry
44:12himself in the media. He's well liked in
44:14the media.
44:15>> But he's got a huge reputation as a
44:17manager without getting the huge
44:18trophies. He's almost seen as like what
44:21you've just said. Could he do what Artet
44:23has got that now? He won the Premier
44:24League but like what Klopp did and he's
44:26his reputation is with those managers
44:28but he hasn't actually got the big
44:30trophies. Do you know what I mean? But I
44:32think it ticks so many boxes. I think it
44:34is a really good appointment what you
44:35done with Tottenham bringing Tottenham
44:37to that right there 10 years ago.
44:38>> Yeah, it was 10 years ago but like he
44:39just all he needed then was the backing.
44:41He just want he wanted more players. He
44:43wanted to get some out. Remember he kept
44:44talking to get some in so as he could he
44:46could go again and they didn't do it.
44:48Now he's he's coming to United obviously
44:50you're saying that he's he'll get them
44:52fit and good luck cuz if Man United are
44:54fit and of course they'll they'll come
44:55out he's trying to get people fit.
44:57>> Yeah. Yeah. But the thing is if he gets
45:00them fit obviously they'll climb off but
45:01right now
45:02>> if it Man United look in trouble about
45:05fit. He's got to get him running and
45:07defending properly.
45:09>> Massive problem should
45:11How long is it at Chelsea for? How long
45:12did he last?
45:14>> He was at Chelsea for 23 24. Um yeah,
45:18he's just there for one season at
45:19Chelsea,
45:20>> but he's more I I thought Man United
45:21might have to bring in almost like not
45:23an interim manager, but almost a little
45:25bit more what character did last time
45:26and then you you go again. But I think
45:28>> you're probably seeing Pochettino as a
45:29manager. No, he's not just to help now.
45:31This could be a three or four year.
45:33>> Absolutely. But all I'm saying is
45:35eventually when he gets United back to
45:38>> challenge or qualifying, the one thing
45:40he he's he's never really done in his
45:42managerial career, which you'd have to
45:43do at United to be a success, is get
45:45over the line. Big trophy.
45:47>> You mentioned the media. I think don't
45:49underestimate the importance of a
45:50manager at United being good in front of
45:52the media.
45:53>> Well, he's well respected, isn't he?
45:54>> Yeah. I think that is key. Communication
45:56and the way you come across I think is
45:58huge. I think it's been a battle.
46:00>> Why do they get interviewed so much more
46:01or do we just see that? obviously
46:03there's more profile on it. Yeah. Do he
46:05speaks and again we've had him on here.
46:06I know we
46:07>> and he came across well on that. He
46:09seemed a nice pretty cool guy.
46:11>> Will they give him time though? Like you
46:13look at our Teta patients. Will they
46:15will they get that time? Cuz I know what
46:17you're saying like three four years.
46:18That's what these managers need. But
46:20they don't seem to get it. They don't
46:22they don't see
46:23>> you'll get 18 months as in like you'll
46:25you'll not prison sentence.
46:27>> No. What I'm saying is you've still got
46:29to even though we talk about manager
46:31getting time, you've still got to so we
46:32talk about Art. Everyone says Artet got
46:34he won the FA Cup in the first four
46:35months he was in the job. So it give it
46:37give the ownership a belief that this
46:39and he beat big teams. He beat I think
46:41he beat City in the semi and he beat
46:42Chelsea in the final. He beat Liverpool
46:44in the league early on.
46:46>> That's what Klopp did early on at
46:47Liverpool. Klopp won games early on.
46:50That gives you the belief going forward.
46:51So when they have a little bit of a
46:52rocky stage, you stick with them because
46:54of what they've done before or you you
46:55But the thing with Arsenal though, the
46:57owners of Arsenal, they've got a they've
46:58got a they've got a record of really
47:01backing their managers.
47:02>> They backed him. They brought him in as
47:03a co. Remember, he came in as a a number
47:05two. People took he's coming number two.
47:06Can Arsenal take he's not even managed.
47:08He's coming out number two. Cuz this man
47:10this this ownership they had faith in
47:12him, gave him gave him the reigns and
47:14then they made him manager. Now he's
47:16running everything and and and he's look
47:18what he's turned.
47:18>> Well, if you're walking with I still
47:20can't believe what
47:20>> you said. You made a mistake earlier for
47:22you sack managers probably should stick
47:24with him. But there must be a feeling
47:26again at United when people if Will Cox
47:28is there every day you're on about give
47:30give a manager a bit more time. But if
47:32he's working and he's down at the
47:34training ground watching Carrick and his
47:35staff and watching him preseason they
47:37must they're not prop they're obviously
47:38clearly not looking at him going don't
47:40worry then we like when Klopp first went
47:43to Liverpool I know he had a big better
47:44reputation and more experienced CB but
47:47Liverpool was a struggle but I bet there
47:48was a don't worry things are changing
47:49now we feel it. Yeah,
47:51>> obviously United they're looking at
47:52Carrick going there's nothing changing
47:53here. We're not getting that feeling
47:55that things are on the turn. And that's
47:56where you got to back an experienced man
47:59even if he's going through a sticky
48:00patch going he'd get through this. And
48:01what what happened with Carrick because
48:02of his lack of experience there was no
48:05belief that he would turn it around
48:06because he's not really done it before.
48:07>> I'm I'm sure Maritzio Pochettino is
48:09doing this but if you were coming into
48:12this job now you've been you talked
48:14about don't believe an owner on the way
48:16in about what they're going to spend and
48:17they can move the goal.
48:18>> Yeah. But not no don't believe him but
48:20just a pinch of salt.
48:21>> If if I was Mio Pochettino now I would
48:24be literally protecting myself up to the
48:26high heaven in respect of he'll do that
48:27with the payoff. So you're doing that
48:30contract. But secondly he needs two
48:33defenders in January. So he's got to
48:35insist that he gets two defenders in
48:37January. He's got to insist that he gets
48:39a minimum budget next summer for the
48:40transfer window to be able to turn this.
48:42He's got to insist that he gets a budget
48:43the following. And they can they
48:44>> No, look, I'm saying he's got he's got
48:46to literally insist that the he
48:49>> Yeah, but you're asking for things that
48:50they might not be able to give him.
48:51>> They have to give it to him or else he
48:52shouldn't take the job. If you're not
48:54going to give him Look, without that
48:55defense and that midfield, by the way,
48:57and that midfield's had some money spent
48:59on it.
49:00>> You're saying they've got to get two
49:01defender. They got to get two good
49:02defenders, not just defenders.
49:03>> So, my point is he's got to insist on
49:05the way in that there's some form of
49:07transfer control, that there's some form
49:09of budget there that he knows he can
49:10meaningfully change the team. I'm not
49:12saying he's going to go because Mitzio I
49:13don't think is the type of manager
49:14either that would say give me half a
49:15billion. I don't think he's that type of
49:16guy. I think he's someone a bit more
49:17responsible and will look at things and
49:19he'll want to bring players through and
49:20he'll want to develop young players. I
49:21get that and he'll do that. I just think
49:23he needs to protect himself in this next
49:2412 months for the transfer budget.
49:26>> That would be the first thing
49:27>> he has to say strongest when you go in.
49:29>> Absolutely. The only time you can insist
49:31upon it is at the very beginning and he
49:33needs two defenders in January because
49:35if they have Dorgu at left back, Mazroi
49:37at right back and Heaven and Euro at
49:38center back,
49:40>> he will have to do one hell of a job
49:41coaching to get them league.
49:43>> But is that not part of your job
49:45truthfully [clears throat] to do some
49:46coaching to make not to make these
49:48players way better? No, I'm honorable
49:49but at least be a bit more compact lad.
49:51Let's tuck in when we haven't got a
49:53United or that is a coach's job because
49:55when you go into a club you might go get
49:56know sometimes clubs lower leagues going
49:58no you got to walk what you've got you
50:00do all your coaching badges you got to
50:01walk with certain players it's not
50:03always about going and getting better
50:04>> on Sunday those first two goals they
50:05were all behind the ball I mean
50:07>> no no no first goal on Sunday literally
50:10they're in a position whereby
50:11>> not in the the build up to I know what
50:13you mean listen I watched it back but
50:15but it's well and good behind the ball
50:16but you got to get behind the ball with
50:18and and want to do a job. Yeah,
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51:02Manchester City. Just a quick touch on
51:04Manchester City because I thought
51:05watching the game on Saturday, I thought
51:07that was alarming to be honest with And
51:08the and Mesa after the game
51:11>> said that basically players were not
51:12challenging for jewels second balls.
51:15>> Can you imagine though
51:16>> fault that was that was the the
51:17manager's fault the way he set up there.
51:19Uh you can't have a midfield we that mid
51:22I'm sure that midfield and Anderson.
51:24>> Yeah but they're not playing like that.
51:26So what I'm saying is that I'm sure that
51:27midfield played at home against PSG
51:30>> and he had to change and of course not
51:31Forest and not PSG but Anderson is not
51:34is not a Rodri. He's a brilliant player.
51:36He he should be playing with a Rodri. So
51:38you remember how Man City played last
51:39year when they had a great run, beat Ars
51:41in the cup final. It was it was Rodri
51:42and Bernardo Si and he's almost stayed
51:44there. He's got Enzo almost playing like
51:46a like a number number 10 in a pocket.
51:49You've got Chery in there who's
51:50unbelievable talent. You've got Anderson
51:52and it's like no no one one of them's
51:55got to come out the team and have like a
51:57Rody type figure, but they've got the
51:5818y old. Yeah.
52:00>> So he's not going to play every week cuz
52:01he's probably a young lad. But that
52:02that's his fault how them it's not like
52:04you can go oh them players are not
52:06putting the foot in. They're not them
52:07type of players that they're always
52:08thinking forward. So
52:10>> he played that team away at Old
52:11Trafford, didn't he? And we thought,
52:12would he play Nico O'Reilly in midfield
52:14that day if you remember? That was the
52:15one because he can play in there, can't
52:16he?
52:17>> He's putting He always does that thing
52:18when he puts a fullback into midfield,
52:19doesn't he? Guardio.
52:20>> No, I mean put actually No, I mean put
52:21actual Nico in central midfield.
52:23>> Yeah, maybe. Yeah, but giving the ball
52:25away cheaply, lads. Do we go back to
52:26that?
52:27>> Yeah. Giving the ball away cheaply.
52:29Defenders taking chances.
52:31>> Do you see Enzo Enzo? What what's he
52:34what's he doing at because I'm I can't
52:36see it.
52:37>> The same role as he played at Chelsea
52:38where he's sort of like
52:40>> you know what managers do now when when
52:41when they've they've got possession and
52:42one of the the fullbacks comes into
52:44Pep's doing it and then Enzo so he's not
52:47really a central midfield player.
52:48>> He's almost like an a
52:51number eight or something. He's always
52:53be he's always trying to get in the box
52:54basically isn't he? He's never he's
52:56never there next to his man. But I don't
52:57think that's him. I think that's the
52:59manager sort of how he wants him set up.
53:01I think they need to get the balance
53:03right. I know in midfield it's not about
53:04just putting the best players on the
53:06pitch. It's who works for who you and I
53:08totally agree. Anderson is so isolated
53:10and you can afford to have Shery who's
53:13going to get an amazing goal in a moment
53:15but then Anderson needs some help
53:16because we're so open. I think it was
53:19the lap when he scored Anderson's jumped
53:22because he hasn't got any other help and
53:24then he's left he was kind of protecting
53:26in front of the it wasn't just that game
53:28though. If you if you go back to the
53:30game against it, we didn't see it
53:31because it wasn't live on TV. Do you
53:32remember the Sunderland game about six
53:34weeks ago? I think they beat Sunderone.
53:35What was the score? 6-3 5-3.
53:37>> Yeah, I was there actually. Robbie
53:39actually. Yeah. 5-3.
53:40>> Bobby and Sunderlands who were probably
53:42been one of the poorest teams in the
53:44league this season. Have they bottom of
53:45the league weren't they at the weekend?
53:46They scored two or three goals on the
53:48counter.
53:48>> Yeah.
53:50I think when you ask what Enzo is, I
53:52think Enzo is very similar to Gimmera in
53:54his style of play in terms of he's a bit
53:55of a wanderer and Arsenal are still
53:57trying to find out and work out how
53:58that's going to work. But problem is
54:00Enzo was 125 million and Gimme is 75
54:02million and I don't think there's a lot
54:04between them in terms of actually
54:05players. I think they're very similar in
54:06terms they remind me they do remind me
54:07of Juan Sebastian Veron a little bit Roy
54:09it just that midfield play that you bit
54:11Brunoish almost like that that midfield
54:13player that you can't really control.
54:15They almost take him on a leash type
54:17thing. can't hear you because you're
54:18never quite where you want them to be,
54:19but they can go and win you a game, but
54:21they can also empty midfield a little
54:22bit. And I think Arsenal are still fine
54:24in that bit. I think in big games
54:25Arsenal will probably go to Mars Lewis
54:27Skelly and or Zub Mendy and Rice and he
54:29might move forward one or he might come
54:31out if he reminds me a bit of that when
54:33you said what's Enzo. I think he's a bit
54:34like Gimme.
54:35>> Yeah,
54:35>> it's interesting to spend that much
54:37money especially like what about Batti?
54:39I I what I've seen of him he looks like
54:41he can get about the field.
54:42>> Can't he play cuz I would have played
54:44Nick O'Reilly. Can't you bring Nicar
54:45Riley in to do that same?
54:46>> You brought him one at a half time,
54:47didn't they?
54:48>> It doesn't. I can't understand why they
54:49even bought him with with what they've
54:51got.
54:51>> Enzo's operating in so many different
54:53parts of the pitch. I think his jewels
54:55one is like 45, but that shows that he's
54:58not operating in that one part where
55:00where he can win his jewels. I'm
55:01saying go. Do we buy into and I I I said
55:06on TV on on the weekend, I wonder if now
55:10this massive high that they've had this
55:11buildup to this Liverpool game where
55:13obviously there's been massive
55:14attention, they've had this massive
55:16mental and sort of what would be
55:18emotional ride as a football club and
55:20the players have obviously got people,
55:21you know, their agents have probably
55:22think what happens if you do go down,
55:24what happens if you do get 40 points and
55:25all the mates are probably you imagine
55:26that sort of negativity span. Do you
55:28think is there a now is there now an
55:29element of they've sort of lived it for
55:31a couple of weeks and they've been all
55:32right there and all of a sudden it's
55:33just hit them and and that we're seeing
55:34this now this almost emotional dip. I I
55:37I think there's something in it.
55:38>> There must be something.
55:39>> Yeah. It has to impact that team what's
55:40going on. It just has to.
55:41>> Yeah. But you're talking about when you
55:42as players when you even when you're
55:44going around the place you're mulling
55:45over things in your head.
55:47>> Imagine your agents your your wife or if
55:49we have to move this everything you just
55:52there's no we've seen them seven on the
55:54spin and then they've lost three on the
55:55spin. one seven on spin and three on the
55:57spin. When was the last time Man City
55:58even lost three on the spin to spin? I
55:59can't remember. We're talking about
56:01>> and Peps can't remember Peps. We're
56:02talking about something
56:05reaction to Pep leaving.
56:06>> Is there any players in history that's
56:08had to go through what we're seeing City
56:10players have to go through now? I I
56:11can't remember anything like maybe
56:12Juventus, I don't know, but they did
56:14whatever was going to happen with
56:15Juventus, they got relegated. But I've
56:17never seen it in England. Nowhere near.
56:19>> I think also already it's the unknown
56:21and the waiting that any day
56:23>> as a player what you playing for what
56:25what you playing for am I going to win
56:26some what's going to happen what's
56:28>> the keep is a problem isn't at the
56:29moment not even at the moment the more I
56:31look at him you think
56:33>> Lewis Enrique got rid of him when they
56:34won the champion you know and you look
56:36at him coming in you're thinking he's
56:37going to be like up he's nowhere near
56:38rare is he
56:39>> I I think
56:41>> he's he's not the goalkeeper they
56:42thought they should have kept they
56:44should have they went earlier cuz they
56:46got
56:48want to give up a goal so far this
56:49season. United 19 Trafford
56:51>> but um yeah G it's got to be effective
56:53emotional
56:54>> absolutely has to be
56:56>> but it's part of being a professional
56:57footballer on the other hand whatever
56:58going off
56:59>> situation like this
57:00>> yeah but isn't that part of the game
57:01footballers you've been through stuff
57:03off the field stuff people have marriage
57:04stuff whatever you
57:05>> no it's not the same this is what you
57:08this is what you go [laughter]
57:10>> drugs tobacco we've heard so many times
57:12from footballers what's the best place
57:14to be out in the pitch
57:15>> yeah but like for city for city now
57:17you'd say what's the best place to out
57:19the pitch on them out there.
57:21>> That's their own fault, isn't it?
57:23>> That's on them.
57:23>> It's No, not the players. It's on them
57:25upstairs and putting them in this
57:26position. I I could totally understand
57:28the players how they feel now just
57:30walking around thinking what what's
57:31happening.
57:32>> But don't give them too many excuses.
57:34>> J.
57:35>> Okay, one one last question because to
57:37be fair, I we I we got embroiled in the
57:39studio and I was over in America at the
57:41weekend. [laughter]
57:44>> Bulgles tackle on Oh my god, I forget it
57:47was on now. Um
57:50they play it on tell Matteas tell Mattis
57:54tell on the the leads V thing the tackle
57:57>> red card or yellow card or no card
58:02>> mate so he catches him on the Achilles
58:04doesn't he but he doesn't he's
58:06>> he's just running and he catches
58:07>> running yeah this is yeah
58:08>> I don't think they're red cards listen I
58:10know it's painful but if he's running if
58:12I'm running I'm thinking a lot of tack
58:14are red card any
58:14>> but you know the thing is again with the
58:16with that kind of injury He's not he's
58:18not moved himself to to try and reach
58:21him. He's just running
58:24>> accidentally do it
58:27when he stopped. [laughter]
58:29>> No, Mford was
58:30>> I'm glad you said that. Yellow. I'm glad
58:32you said that. It was absolutely a
58:33maximum a yellow. You didn't get a
58:34yellow for it cuz I don't think V.
58:36>> Why can't they see that the just say
58:37listen he's not changed his pattern to
58:38try clever. I'm telling you
58:41>> even doing it in I'm inc. But I'm on
58:43about catching somebody. They're like he
58:45ran across me. Some players.
58:46>> Yeah. So we're all agreement. No red.
58:47>> Uh, not for me.
58:48>> No red. No red. No red.
58:49>> It's got to be something that's like a
58:52serious like two-footed knee tackle.
58:54>> I wanted to cover that because I felt
58:56really passionately that wasn't a red
58:57card. What did Phil say? Red.
58:59>> Definitely not a red. Okay. We've we've
59:01done that quite a few times in terms of
59:03that type of just
59:04>> Yeah, we've done that where you
59:05basically if because he goes to tackle
59:07with his right leg and puts to put his
59:08foot down and that's how many times
59:10after games would you have you know them
59:12little cuts down your Achilles where
59:14they just all the time but when you slow
59:17something down it just looks so bad.
59:19>> Michael did me you know at Anfield. Did
59:21he get you on the
59:22>> Michael? Did he break you? He lost the
59:24he would do
59:25>> and I had about 10 stitches in my ankle
59:26but the blood was flying out and I
59:28thought he's done me there and I
59:30can't get him back for a head as well
59:31when you were [laughter]
59:34>> I just I'm 51 and I'm still giving a
59:37goal away every week. [laughter]
59:40>> You know when he just I never like that
59:42I got and he just got in front of him.
59:44>> Is that actually
59:45>> was the FA Cup game Cup game? Yeah.
59:47Lucky he came back.
59:48>> Was it against Gary? Yeah,
59:49>> give a go away every week on
59:52>> this episode of Stick to Football is
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59:58>> We're going to do a few non-OT stuff
1:00:00today.
1:00:00>> Well, then go take us away from United.
1:00:03>> What is something everyone should try
1:00:06once?
1:00:08>> I'm not answering.
1:00:10[laughter]
1:00:11>> I don't know who comes up with these
1:00:12questions, but maybe it's the community
1:00:14>> or maybe
1:00:16you think should try once.
1:00:19Everything you should try once.
1:00:22>> We jumped out of a plane.
1:00:23>> Yeah. It's too dangerous.
1:00:24>> Oh, it was awful. I couldn't do that.
1:00:27>> It was awful.
1:00:29>> I found really good. It's scuba diving.
1:00:32>> Yeah, that's
1:00:32>> that was amazing. That was that was
1:00:34amazing. That was um I'd say if you if
1:00:37you if you tried that if you tried it,
1:00:38you'd probably like it.
1:00:40>> How how deep did you go?
1:00:42>> I don't know. It's like 20 ft or
1:00:43something. And I was quite scared cuz
1:00:46you know you have to do the thing where
1:00:47you have to
1:00:47>> Yeah, it is scary.
1:00:48>> That fright.
1:00:49>> That's not scuba. That's
1:00:50snorkeling.
1:00:50>> No, if you got underneath, you have to
1:00:53be able to equalize yourself and put it
1:00:55back in underneath. [laughter]
1:00:57>> So, don't
1:01:00>> You're asking him how deep he went and
1:01:02he's doing that.
1:01:03>> Hey, definitely something. [laughter]
1:01:08>> Right, let's move on.
1:01:10>> Why don't you just click that one? I
1:01:13need [laughter]
1:01:16>> go on the yellow wall. Go on the yellow
1:01:18wall and watch Brush of Dortmund.
1:01:20>> You did that, didn't you?
1:01:21>> Once you something unbelievable,
1:01:24>> that's when you got to tell it off after
1:01:25for being drunk, didn't you, with
1:01:26interviewing people?
1:01:27>> No, but what I'm saying is go there.
1:01:29>> That's the kind drinks onto the onto the
1:01:31stand. Yeah, it's good.
1:01:33>> Yellow wall, Brussy Dortmund.
1:01:34>> Super go to a Super Bowl.
1:01:36>> Yeah.
1:01:36>> Yeah,
1:01:36>> Super Bowl was good.
1:01:38>> Eva
1:01:41Junior, you know, he was there. We went
1:01:42to the last one. I saw on social ane
1:01:44slot. He took his lad to he was he was
1:01:47on social media. It was Bocker Junior's
1:01:49game.
1:01:51>> What you did not I would have said I
1:01:54would have said Scooby that I don't do
1:01:56at once cuz I was scared when you look
1:01:58up seas all the way up there. You do
1:02:00panic.
1:02:00>> Beautiful silent.
1:02:02>> But there is a whole other world
1:02:04underneath the water. But
1:02:05>> aliens aliens.
1:02:06>> I mean what strange questions. What is
1:02:08the correct temperature for central
1:02:09heating? 20 [laughter] 22
1:02:11>> 21.
1:02:12>> I mean, what does this podcast become?
1:02:13>> I go 21.
1:02:14>> It's 22. 21 22 is
1:02:16>> I like being
1:02:17>> Is it What is it? What is it? I'd rather
1:02:19be.
1:02:20There's no answer. It's like it must be
1:02:21like what do you have your central
1:02:22heating on? What is the greatest dessert
1:02:24of all time?
1:02:25>> Sticky toffee pudding
1:02:26>> pudding. [laughter]
1:02:29You know, I done one the other day where
1:02:30and I I I put sticky toffee pudding
1:02:32about seven or eight. You should have
1:02:34seen how much stick I got.
1:02:36>> I'm going to probably go with
1:02:37>> Trifle's awful. Trifle's beautiful. Jam
1:02:40rolly poli.
1:02:41>> You know what? I do love tiramisu
1:02:42recently, but I'd have to say apple pie
1:02:44custard. I still go up there.
1:02:46>> Yeah,
1:02:46>> it's the best.
1:02:47>> Jam rolly poly. Sticky toffee pudding
1:02:49with a bit of ice cream.
1:02:49>> I'm going to go with trifle.
1:02:51>> It's too sweet. Be a good trifle though.
1:02:54Beautiful.
1:02:54>> It can't be a crot.
1:02:55>> That's like with cream on top and a bit
1:02:57of jam and a bit of like wet cream
1:03:00[laughter]
1:03:01sponge and jelly.
1:03:02>> It is like a bowl of wetness. You're
1:03:04right.
1:03:05>> Um,
1:03:06when is the right time to put up a
1:03:08Christmas tree? Oh my god, I'm getting
1:03:10mine. Well, I feel
1:03:11>> 12 days before Christmas. Isn't that
1:03:13Isn't that a thing? 12 days.
1:03:14>> I think I think first of December. I
1:03:16think December. Soon as you get into
1:03:17December.
1:03:18>> Mine's going up next week. I've had
1:03:19Christmas songs on since the 1st of
1:03:21October. It just makes us so happy. I
1:03:23know. I know.
1:03:24>> I do like Christmas.
1:03:25>> Do you?
1:03:26>> I like doing the tree. I do love getting
1:03:28the stuff. I do love putting the stuff
1:03:30on the tree together right now.
1:03:31>> A Christmas tree.
1:03:32>> When do you take it down?
1:03:33>> You have a nice scotch and just like do
1:03:35it. Get
1:03:35>> Isn't it supposed to be 12 days after
1:03:36Christmas? Doesn't have to be 12 days
1:03:38before, 12 days after.
1:03:39>> Who watches the most football around the
1:03:41table?
1:03:41>> Jamie. You
1:03:43>> maybe Roy?
1:03:44>> Yeah, maybe.
1:03:45>> I think one of you two, that's for sure.
1:03:46>> But I was watching Wigan last night
1:03:48anyway on the Red Bull.
1:03:49>> I think I watched the most live
1:03:50football.
1:03:50>> Maybe.
1:03:51>> Probably.
1:03:52>> Roy watches. You watch a lot?
1:03:53>> No, maybe not as much as you think. Not
1:03:54recently.
1:03:55>> You do. You watch like different You
1:03:57mean actually in the stadium?
1:03:58>> In the stadium.
1:03:59>> In the stadium.
1:03:59>> I think I probably watch most in
1:04:01stadium.
1:04:02>> Yeah. Most football. Jamie watches the
1:04:04most football.
1:04:05>> Yeah. Can't believe you went to New
1:04:07York. You missed the FA Cup. Cam sold
1:04:08for the Carolion.
1:04:09>> I I watched it.
1:04:11>> Yeah, but live like Yeah, I know.
1:04:13>> Was it disappointing?
1:04:14>> You got it.
1:04:16>> No.
1:04:17>> How's it feel?
1:04:17>> Gabby,
1:04:18>> did you want to go? Was you happy to go?
1:04:20No, I never happy to go out. No,
1:04:21>> Gabby, I missed the Man United game cuz
1:04:24I was having a lovely Sunday dinner at
1:04:26your hotel. It was nice.
1:04:27>> Oh, was it good?
1:04:27>> Yeah, I took some of my friends.
1:04:28>> Wow.
1:04:29>> But I missed the game.
1:04:29>> Didn't know that. I didn't tell me
1:04:30you're going.
1:04:31>> Oh, no.
1:04:31>> The manager Carol back in Brmley.
1:04:34>> Yes. Is it? Yeah,
1:04:36>> I messaged them actually.
1:04:37>> Yeah, I messaged you on there.
1:04:38>> Yeah.
1:04:39>> Are they bottom of league?
1:04:42>> I I watched them live two weeks ago.
1:04:44They play Wigan.
1:04:45>> Uh Wigan won big game.
1:04:47>> Mhm.
1:04:48>> Yeah. So tough time.
1:04:50>> Hard job for him.
1:04:51>> Yeah. They've only just come up though.
1:04:52He
1:04:52>> He run the league at last year, didn't
1:04:54he?
1:04:55>> Yeah. Which player in the Premier League
1:04:57is the most vital for their team? If you
1:05:01took one player out of one team, what
1:05:03would have the biggest lull, the biggest
1:05:05drop, depression?
1:05:07>> Dean Vice,
1:05:08>> uh, Harland.
1:05:11>> Harland.
1:05:12>> Joe Pedro for Chelsea. A completely
1:05:15different team. No problem.
1:05:16>> How could have Brighton been?
1:05:19>> On Saturday, by the way, have you seen
1:05:20her goals against as well defensively?
1:05:22>> That's a good thing with Brighton.
1:05:24They've they're doing it as a collector,
1:05:25haven't they?
1:05:25>> I think Gross's numbers are unbelievable
1:05:28since he's come back. Unbelievable. So
1:05:30Scholsey said it last week, I think on
1:05:32on his podcast. So basically
1:05:35>> City play Brighton on a Wednesday night
1:05:36in the Carabal Cup and then they play
1:05:38them on the Saturday at um the league in
1:05:41the league at 3:00.
1:05:42>> So they ask me about six weeks before
1:05:45can they train at Sulford. I get a
1:05:47contact from him. Do you remember one
1:05:49you remember used to be a sport
1:05:50scientist at United
1:05:52>> and they trained on the Friday morning
1:05:53at on Sulford's main pitch and skullsy
1:05:56went to watch him train and he rang me
1:05:57that afternoon. He went, "Oh my god."
1:06:00>> He said, "I can't believe what I've just
1:06:01seen."
1:06:02>> He said, "I'm not trained. The speed,
1:06:04the intensity, the quality, it was
1:06:06unbelievable." And he literally ran him
1:06:08up. He was like, "Choosey
1:06:10to be like that. Your schol is quite
1:06:11difficult to please." You know what I
1:06:12mean?
1:06:13>> And then they go and do what they do.
1:06:14And then on the Saturday, they go and
1:06:15beat City at City and you think to
1:06:16yourself, "Dude, you think about what
1:06:17happens on a training pitch." And
1:06:19because to be fair, Scholdi thinks it's
1:06:20in a high level of training in his time.
1:06:22He listen intensity. You listen
1:06:24>> and you say it was unbelievable.
1:06:25>> That's good. Good. Yeah, unbelievable.
1:06:27>> Cuz they're putting the work in, aren't
1:06:28they? That's why they're getting the
1:06:29results.
1:06:29>> And I think that's how for him to say
1:06:32you know what he's like. He's I know I
1:06:34go back to United, but earlier someone
1:06:35watched a bit of Arsenal. I know
1:06:36somebody watched a bit of Arsenal
1:06:37preseason. I know it's preseason and a
1:06:39few days later we're watching what
1:06:40United were doing. They were like
1:06:42talking cheese
1:06:43>> the intensity whatever it was going on
1:06:46the training. I know that's preseason,
1:06:48but I love hearing that. I love when I
1:06:49hear View. He said, "No, they just it
1:06:51was Friday. They took it easy day before
1:06:52the game."
1:06:53>> No, he said it was sharp as hell. He
1:06:54said intense. He said everything was
1:06:55quality. He says honestly he's blown
1:06:57away.
1:06:57>> The way they're training Roy, they they
1:06:59probably they'd take anyone on now,
1:07:01wouldn't they? They just like how far
1:07:03can they go?
1:07:04>> He's going to interview Fabin Herzilla
1:07:05next.
1:07:06>> Nice one. He's an interesting fell.
1:07:08>> He's got something about him. He's got a
1:07:10personality. He's a bit spiky on the
1:07:12touch line.
1:07:14>> He's done his
1:07:15>> any questions that we want any questions
1:07:16we'd like Jamie to ask Feb and Herzler.
1:07:19>> It's for Sky, not the overlap.
1:07:20>> No. What would anything we'd like you?
1:07:24[laughter] Why why they cancelled my
1:07:25trial? I was supposed to have a trial at
1:07:27Brighton when I was 14.
1:07:28>> Yeah.
1:07:29>> Yeah. And say the manager then.
1:07:30>> Can you get that in?
1:07:31>> Um Chris Catlin was one who let get to
1:07:33the bottom of that.
1:07:34>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:07:34>> Ask him [laughter] about that. Tell find
1:07:36someone.
1:07:37>> Why did you let Ian Wright go at 19?
1:07:39Chris,
1:07:40>> why did you let him go? I'm still I'm
1:07:42scarred. Do
1:07:42>> you know what I would like to know is
1:07:45how the hell do they get recruitment
1:07:48right year in year out when they lose
1:07:50players?
1:07:50>> Yeah, but they got it wrong for 30
1:07:52years, Gary. I know.
1:07:53>> I know. But by the way, since the new
1:07:54owners come in, how do they get that? So
1:07:57your stats in it. They do the stats.
1:07:58Even to do this for five, six years are
1:08:01doing what they do. Forget evening. It's
1:08:03unbelievable. Brilliant.
1:08:04>> They've probably got they probably got
1:08:06the money to be able to back up the date
1:08:07what they're doing and then they can
1:08:08find someone. They don't need to go and
1:08:10say, "Oh, someone's found him. Let's
1:08:11nick him off." They know where they are.
1:08:13So they they've got the money to be able
1:08:14to go and get them as well.
1:08:15>> But it they they just they just
1:08:17literally sign players. Obviously,
1:08:19they're looking at them as well, but
1:08:20they sign players and they sign managers
1:08:21purely off data, don't they? into if the
1:08:23data doesn't work they don't sign them.
1:08:24I mean it's like
1:08:27>> scouts everything just off data. That's
1:08:28what someone said to me the other day
1:08:29when I was talking about gold there
1:08:30whether that's true or not but that's
1:08:32what they're saying a lot of it's off AI
1:08:34and
1:08:34>> you don't get to the bottom of it when
1:08:35you're speaking to him
1:08:37>> story
1:08:40cancel my flight
1:08:40>> they had the data [laughter]
1:08:44>> doesn't get back he's good going that
1:08:46way that he's 14
1:08:48>> end of the episode well done everybody
1:08:50well done
1:08:58>> this has been a global and the overlap
1:09:00production.
1:09:04[music]
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