Carlos Sainz: Pain, Pride + Potential | F1 Beyond The Grid Podcast Presented By Explora Journeys — Transcript

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1. 0:00life is such a roller coaster I remember
2. 0:02being very emotional on that Australia
3. 0:05Grand Prix Podium because there was my
4. 0:08dad there there was obviously my manager
5. 0:10my girlfriend everyone who's been next
6. 0:13to me I was obviously thinking about my
7. 0:14mom and they've all seen me suffer
8. 0:17during the winter and when I say suffer
9. 0:19I don't mean I was crying behind closed
10. 0:22doors but I was actually hurt I was hurt
11. 0:26because I didn't expect it I remember
12. 0:28after that win and in Australia thinking
13. 0:32about how lucky I am to have the people
14. 0:35that I have around me supporting me and
15. 0:36giving me that inner uh strength you
16. 0:39know to to overcome what it was at the
17. 0:41time um a tough moment that now when I
18. 0:44look back at it I'm almost like happy uh
19. 0:47proud that it happened because it made
20. 0:50me a much better driver and a much
21. 0:52better athlete in general this episode
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24. 1:01Travel welcome everyone to this week's
25. 1:04F1 Beyond The Grid and I'm delighted to
26. 1:07say that we are joined by Carlos science
27. 1:09Carlos great to see you how are you all
28. 1:12good thank you everything okay well is
29. 1:14everything okay because we've just got
30. 1:15off the long flight from Las Vegas uh
31. 1:18it's tiring I'm certainly jet lagged how
32. 1:20are you yeah as good as I can be I guess
33. 1:23everyone at this stage of the year is
34. 1:24running a bit low on batteries uh I
35. 1:27think it's normal when they put you a
36. 1:29back back to back Las Vegas Qatar you're
37. 1:31always going to get to this end of the
38. 1:33year a bit tired but um I've been
39. 1:36dealing well with jetti this year I've
40. 1:38been dealing well with my energy levels
41. 1:40towards the second half of the Season
42. 1:42better compared to last year I did a few
43. 1:44changes on my training plan and my and
44. 1:47my season management to get to this end
45. 1:50of the year with a bit higher batteries
46. 1:52and they seem to be paying off so do we
47. 1:54have Pierre Luigi de Laona to thank for
48. 1:57this your new physio yeah H together
49. 1:59between Pier Luigi and my trainer Also
50. 2:04let's say performance coach back at home
51. 2:07uh we've put together a plan that it
52. 2:09seems to be working well and uh I'm glad
53. 2:11to say that uh all those hours of
54. 2:13cycling and um different diets jet like
55. 2:18management and different training plans
56. 2:20are are paying off this year you've been
57. 2:21keeping those guys busier than most this
58. 2:24year because I'm thinking of the
59. 2:26appendicitis in Saudi Arabia then there
60. 2:29was there's all the travel there was the
61. 2:31crash in Baku as well they've obviously
62. 2:33got some magic potions yeah I think um
63. 2:38investing on a good team around you is
64. 2:39the best thing that a sportsman can do
65. 2:41um because it's not on the day-to-day
66. 2:44basis where you get to feel those things
67. 2:46but it's mainly when something big or
68. 2:49when something out of the ordinary
69. 2:50happens like the situation in in
70. 2:54Australia with appendicitis and the
71. 2:56situation with with the crash in Baku
72. 2:59that's when when you realize and you
73. 3:01notice whether you have a good team
74. 3:03around you or not and uh I feel like
75. 3:05this year I'm very proud very happy to
76. 3:07to have the team I have and it's paid
77. 3:09off in the in the key moments of the
78. 3:10Year well let's talk about that key
79. 3:12moment you mentioned so you have an
80. 3:15appendectomy in Saudi Arabia two weeks
81. 3:19later you win in Melbourne just tell us
82. 3:22now how marginal was it what kind of
83. 3:25physical shape were you in so to give
84. 3:27you an idea the seven day
85. 3:30after uh the append appendi toy you
86. 3:33called it oh yeah yeah I didn't move
87. 3:36from bed I was seven straight days in
88. 3:38bed and I couldn't brace I couldn't use
89. 3:41my core every time I sneezed or every
90. 3:44time I coughed I was crying on pain
91. 3:46because they open your abdominal muscles
92. 3:50and that every time you contract them it
93. 3:52really really hurts uh so for 7 days
94. 3:55apart from going to a hiperbaric chamber
95. 3:58and receiving some Mass Mage I wasn't
96. 4:00moving from my bed from day eight I had
97. 4:03to catch a flight to Australia but I
98. 4:05still hadn't moveed from bed so I was
99. 4:07catching a flight to Australia like I
100. 4:10remember leaving home still uh on pain
101. 4:13and telling my mom well here I go I
102. 4:16don't I'm going all the way to Australia
103. 4:18without even knowing if I'm going to be
104. 4:20racing and
105. 4:21then I tell her something like imagine
106. 4:25if I win if I go and then I end up
107. 4:27winning and we had a laugh about it like
108. 4:29well let's try and race first and then
109. 4:31see if you can actually win it and um my
110. 4:34mom was reminding me that after the win
111. 4:36that I left home saying imagine if I
112. 4:38actually win and uh since then I
113. 4:41actually realized how life can change so
114. 4:44quickly no you go from not even knowing
115. 4:46if you're going to race in Australia
116. 4:47catching a flight 24-hour flight to
117. 4:50suddenly 6 days later winning in
118. 4:52Australia and I remember that was one of
119. 4:54the most powerful feeling moments in in
120. 4:57my life and so much of dra driving one
121. 5:00of these cars is your core so how
122. 5:02difficult was it when you were in the
123. 5:04car so I remember on Wednesday uh before
124. 5:07jumping into the car I went to a circuit
125. 5:09I normally don't go to circuits on
126. 5:10Wednesdays but in Australia I did and I
127. 5:14had a look at my seat had I look at my
128. 5:16belts and said okay action plan I need
129. 5:18to protect these wounds because I still
130. 5:21had the very thick scars and and I was
131. 5:24still having to take care of them um I
132. 5:27brought also a special fish specialize
133. 5:30in an indiva machine that gives you
134. 5:32electromagnetic uh impulses to recover
135. 5:35the the the wound faster I we still went
136. 5:38to hyperb Chambers in Australia to try
137. 5:40and recover faster so I had a plan just
138. 5:42to make it happen but on Wednesday I
139. 5:44still thought I don't think I'm going to
140. 5:46be able to race at that point I call
141. 5:48Alex Alor I said look I know you had the
142. 5:51appendicitis at some stage a couple of
143. 5:53years ago what did you do to your belts
144. 5:55Alex came gave me a hand and showed me
145. 5:57what he did to his belts what did he do
146. 6:00loosen them h no you just protect the
147. 6:03Buckle the Buckle of the belt because
148. 6:05that's exactly where the wound is so you
149. 6:08just put some foam around it so you are
150. 6:09not on the metal of the Buckle and uh he
151. 6:12helped me with that I put some extra
152. 6:14foam here and there and then on Thursday
153. 6:17I went back to the TRU and I said tried
154. 6:20it again I was starting to move a bit
155. 6:22better but then I realize every time I
156. 6:24was jumping in and out of the car I was
157. 6:26very slow and I was very scared and of
158. 6:29doing any strange movements and I was
159. 6:31just not feeling confident and when I
160. 6:34jumped in the car on Friday my first
161. 6:36three laps I've never drove so bad a
162. 6:39Formula One car in my life because I
163. 6:42just didn't trust that I could brace so
164. 6:45I hadn't brace for more than 10 11 days
165. 6:48when I mean brace means Contracting all
166. 6:50your muscles to hold the to hold the G
167. 6:52the gForce and I remember going into
168. 6:55turn one on the first push laap and not
169. 6:58hitting the break hard because I didn't
170. 7:00want a brace for 5G that a Formula 1
171. 7:02produces and I was hitting the brakes 30
172. 7:05bar instead of 120 that I do normally
173. 7:07know and um it was that when we saw you
174. 7:10go across the grass or not I can't I
175. 7:12think so I think and I first thing I
176. 7:14told my team after the first run is I
177. 7:16need a softer brake pedal I I normally
178. 7:18run a very hard very stiff brake pedal I
179. 7:22say can we change very quickly the pivot
180. 7:24of the pedal first thing we did change
181. 7:26the pedal for for the race and I was
182. 7:29driving a much softer pedal because I
183. 7:31couldn't push it as hard then I had to
184. 7:33adap to a softer pedal from fp1 then I
185. 7:36started getting a bit confident and
186. 7:39little by little I started pushing the
187. 7:40limits but it was not a comfortable not
188. 7:43a comfortable Friday let's say I was a
189. 7:45bit of the pace also what about Sunday
190. 7:47how angry was the wound on Sunday night
191. 7:50it was fine it just got better the worst
192. 7:52day was Friday by far uh the thing that
193. 7:55I went into Sunday was okay so far I've
194. 7:58done maybe 10 10 15 consecutive laps in
195. 8:01one day I don't know how Sunday is going
196. 8:04to go by doing 50 something consecutive
197. 8:07consecutive labs and then I also
198. 8:10remember having this feeling of being a
199. 8:12bit more scared to crash like normally
200. 8:14in NF1 I never ever thought about I'm
201. 8:18scared of crashing but I remember on
202. 8:20Friday Saturday and even Sunday having
203. 8:22this feeling like if I crash at 30 40
204. 8:2550g that is a average Formula 1 crash
205. 8:29how I going to brace if I cannot really
206. 8:31fully fully fully brace because I don't
207. 8:34I I I hope that my muscles yet take take
208. 8:38care of it you know and and protect when
209. 8:40you when you brace and I've never had
210. 8:42this feeling but it's yeah not a
211. 8:44comfortable feeling to have when you
212. 8:45drive an one car did you surprise
213. 8:48yourself that weekend 100% but I think
214. 8:53the rather than me surprising myself the
215. 8:56human body surprised me like how the
216. 8:58human body can go from within six days
217. 9:02from not moving to actually driving a
218. 9:05Formula One car and how you recover
219. 9:07obviously I give credit to my team uh
220. 9:10for giving me advices of what to do to
221. 9:13recover faster I give credit obviously
222. 9:15to myself to put in all that working but
223. 9:18the human body truly amazed me that week
224. 9:21and I said yeah this is a an interesting
225. 9:25case because I went through everything
226. 9:27to suddenly actually per for at a high
227. 9:30level on on on that Sunday I wonder if
228. 9:32you found an inner confidence that
229. 9:35weekend hear me out because I felt
230. 9:38Melbourne summed up 2024 for you it was
231. 9:41the moment that you became this
232. 9:44Unstoppable Force because no amount of
233. 9:47adversity was going to stop you that
234. 9:49weekend fast forward two races China you
235. 9:53have a crash in Q2 quite a big one but
236. 9:55you get back out in Q3 and qualified
237. 9:58within a hundredth of your teammate
238. 10:00Charla CLA I don't know there was
239. 10:02there's just this
240. 10:03inner confidence I feel that has Shone
241. 10:06through ever since do you see that or am
242. 10:09I just it's a overthinking it no I think
243. 10:13it's a good point I think for sure life
244. 10:16tests you and I think at the beginning
245. 10:18of the year of
246. 10:192024 I was tested more than I've ever
247. 10:22been tested before and life put me in a
248. 10:25situation that was not comfortable at
249. 10:27all um I was told told in I think it was
250. 10:30the end of January beginning of February
251. 10:32that I was not going to continue with a
252. 10:34team that I was 99% sure I was going to
253. 10:37continue going into that winter it was a
254. 10:40massive shock to my to my hopes and to
255. 10:43my whole system and I obviously didn't
256. 10:47enjoy that that moment I still trained
257. 10:50and I still prepared for that season
258. 10:52targeting obviously to to to be ready to
259. 10:55win races to win a championship is the
260. 10:58the opportunity presented itself and I
261. 11:01went into that year still full of energy
262. 11:03but obviously with this uncomfortable
263. 11:05situation and uncomfortable um moment no
264. 11:09I still did that podium in Bahrain and I
265. 11:12said okay um now I get the season going
266. 11:14I had a really good first race and
267. 11:17sometimes I remember struggling a bit in
268. 11:18Bahrain and this year I did a really
269. 11:20good Bahrain I said I think I'm I'm
270. 11:22quite strong this year and I can get
271. 11:25this this season going then you arrive
272. 11:27to Saudi and you have the a pen dick toy
273. 11:30or whatever you call it and that was a
274. 11:32massive blow because now I'm going to
275. 11:34miss a race am I going to even miss two
276. 11:36races am I going to come back to the
277. 11:39form I was in Bahrain is it going to
278. 11:41take me time you go through this full
279. 11:44process of Doubt know of self-doubt and
280. 11:47then you go back to Australia and you
281. 11:49win and then you have this crash in
282. 11:51China and you recover all things that
283. 11:54help build a lot my confidence and prove
284. 11:57to me that when you have a Target in
285. 11:59your head and you are 100% committed to
286. 12:03proving to yourself more than anyone
287. 12:05what you're
288. 12:06worth the the mind is a very powerful
289. 12:09tool to to overcome this and I truly
290. 12:12enjoyed that first half of the season
291. 12:14for for all those things Jackie Stewart
292. 12:16has always said that a driver is at his
293. 12:19Peak at the age of 30 you are 30 do you
294. 12:23feel at the peak of your powers I don't
295. 12:25know I think
296. 12:27there's something around the age of 30
297. 12:30for sure that you achieve a level of
298. 12:33maturity speed and experience that for
299. 12:35sure is at a good level I think some
300. 12:37drivers will achieve it at 26 others at
301. 12:3932 but if you want to do an average 30
302. 12:42sounds like a good number I think anyway
303. 12:45that average no disrespect to Sir Yaki
304. 12:49of course but keeps lowering every year
305. 12:51no because we see younger and younger
306. 12:53younger drivers be more prepared earlier
307. 12:56which means you're picking earlier no
308. 12:58but uh I think so that pick can last
309. 13:00longer because uh the way we are
310. 13:02prepared nowadays and the world the way
311. 13:05the world has developed I think you can
312. 13:07keep a very high level in an F1 career
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352. 14:47ago about the news that Lewis Hamilton
353. 14:50was going to replace you at Ferrari can
354. 14:52we talk about the emotional roller
355. 14:54coaster that you've been on since that
356. 14:57news broke at the beginning of January
357. 15:00yeah I think I said it on the radio in
358. 15:02Australia know this life is such a
359. 15:04roller coaster I remember being very
360. 15:07emotional on that Australia Grand Prix
361. 15:10Podium because there was my dad there
362. 15:12there was obviously my manager my
363. 15:14girlfriend everyone who's been next to
364. 15:17me I was obviously thinking about my mom
365. 15:19and they've all seen me suffer during
366. 15:21the winter and when I say suffer I don't
367. 15:23mean I was crying behind closed doors
368. 15:26but I was actually hurt I was hurt
369. 15:30because I didn't expect it I didn't ER I
370. 15:33wasn't prepared for for that kind of
371. 15:35news and and yeah I was a bit in a shock
372. 15:39for for a while and then I I regroup and
373. 15:42got training again but yeah I I remember
374. 15:45after that win um in Australia thinking
375. 15:49about how lucky I am to have the people
376. 15:52that I have around me supporting me and
377. 15:54giving me that inner uh strength you
378. 15:56know to to overcome what it was at the
379. 15:58time I'm um a tough moment that now when
380. 16:01I look back at it I'm almost like happy
381. 16:05proud that it happened because it made
382. 16:07me a much better driver and a much
383. 16:09better athlete in general you talk about
384. 16:12the shock of that news was there ever
385. 16:15anger uh for sure and I could sit here
386. 16:18and say no I wasn't angry with with
387. 16:20anyone but at the time when they give
388. 16:23you this news you you're angry you you
389. 16:25don't understand it
390. 16:26you yeah you Cur you you don't
391. 16:31understand anything that that has
392. 16:32happened to you and obviously you think
393. 16:34everything in your life is terrible and
394. 16:36you don't understand but then time cures
395. 16:38everything and you start to accept
396. 16:41certain things and you try to see
397. 16:44everything with a lot more of a relative
398. 16:46mind no and and you start to comprehend
399. 16:49and to just adapt and forgive and forget
400. 16:53you know and and get on with life just
401. 16:55get on with it I remember keep I kept
402. 16:57telling myself now get on with it and
403. 17:00and just do your thing and um yeah it is
404. 17:04it is something that you need to see
405. 17:05more relative as time goes by forgive
406. 17:09forget do you now understand as well
407. 17:13100% um and I think understand I
408. 17:15understood it almost right from the
409. 17:17beginning uh I think if it would have
410. 17:20been someone else I would have taken a
411. 17:23lot more longer to understand but when
412. 17:26you understand Lis Hamilton seven time
413. 17:29world champion and one of the best if
414. 17:32not the best in history is going to
415. 17:33replace you as Ferrari and Lis has
416. 17:35decided to do his last part of his
417. 17:37career in Ferrari and you need to be one
418. 17:40of the two driver sacrifice for that to
419. 17:42happen I understand I also understand it
420. 17:46was never going to be Charles Charles
421. 17:47has been the the the project of Ferrari
422. 17:50ever since he's been a junior driver
423. 17:52he's been the center of of the project
424. 17:54for many years I arrived to Ferrari more
425. 17:56as a substitute of battle still almost a
426. 18:00bit a not by chance but obviously
427. 18:02earning my plays but circumstantial
428. 18:06rather r shal that has been there
429. 18:08forever so I I understood I had to be in
430. 18:12in a way the the one being replaced and
431. 18:15yeah I I understood it from the
432. 18:17beginning I just obviously didn't agree
433. 18:20so much at the time but hey you you know
434. 18:22you you end up agreeing and you end up
435. 18:25getting on with it are you leaving on
436. 18:27good terms
437. 18:29yeah 100% I even with with Fred with
438. 18:34John Elan with with everyone in involved
439. 18:37obviously in that decision obviously I
440. 18:40called them I express they called me I
441. 18:42express my feelings about it and but did
442. 18:45you tell them what you really thought
443. 18:47yeah of course but um me that things
444. 18:50I've never backed off you know I've
445. 18:52always said this is what I think the the
446. 18:56same way that I told them I understood
447. 18:57it then I explain
448. 18:59obviously my my feelings um I'm not
449. 19:01going to tell you here what I said
450. 19:04probably that's something I'm never
451. 19:05going to say but uh I told them what I
452. 19:08thought and moved on and promised them
453. 19:10that I was going to give my absolute
454. 19:12best for Ferrari even even though all
455. 19:14this has happen in the last year and I
456. 19:15was going to keep proving to them that
457. 19:18I'm still a a big asset for Ferrari you
458. 19:20know and that's what I've been focusing
459. 19:22on doing ever since G hard Berger left
460. 19:25Ferrari went back Kimmy reiken left
461. 19:28Ferrari went back could you see a time
462. 19:30that Carlos Saints goes back yeah why
463. 19:33not um I don't see why not at the same
464. 19:37time I cannot see it happening anytime
465. 19:40soon for the moment and but yeah life is
466. 19:43long I'm 30 as you say you see drivers
467. 19:46at 42 so in Formula 1 so if I am in
468. 19:52Formula 1 for as long as that who tells
469. 19:54you that in this next 10 years um
470. 19:58Ferrari might need my services again in
471. 20:00the future this doesn't mean um I wish
472. 20:04for it to happen or I'm looking forward
473. 20:06to it or anything like that I have um a
474. 20:08very big Target in my head now which is
475. 20:11help Williams uh to to bring in bring
476. 20:15them back to the to the front of the
477. 20:16field but I yeah I don't think about it
478. 20:20too much we'll come to Williams in a
479. 20:22minute but Abu Dhabi is going to be your
480. 20:2588th race for Ferrari can can you just
481. 20:29give us some words on how you feel these
482. 20:31four years have
483. 20:33gone I think it's been four years where
484. 20:38if you would have told me four years ago
485. 20:42I would be leaving Ferrari achieving my
486. 20:45first wins uh the way those wins came 20
487. 20:49something
488. 20:50podiums I think I would have taking
489. 20:53taking it I said before arriving to
490. 20:55Ferrari that my target was to become
491. 20:57world champion
492. 20:59we still have a a Target that is that we
493. 21:03might achieve it which is the
494. 21:04Constructor Championship that would be a
495. 21:06huge thing before I leave so I cannot be
496. 21:09100% happy with the way things have gone
497. 21:12because in those four years I would have
498. 21:14loved to to fight for our world
499. 21:16championship become world champion but
500. 21:19hey look I'm living with my first wins
501. 21:21in Formula 1 my first um 20 something
502. 21:25podiums and I cannot complain I've been
503. 21:28a Ferrari driver for four years I've
504. 21:29enjoyed every single moment of it I've
505. 21:31always feel loved by the Tios I've
506. 21:35enjoyed every single moment in maranelo
507. 21:38in fiorano traveling the world with
508. 21:41wearing my Ferrari Polo you know and I
509. 21:44have no regrets and F feel quite proud
510. 21:47about it how different is the Ferrari
511. 21:49experience to to that of any other team
512. 21:52it's a very special experience it's
513. 21:54something that even if I sit here and I
514. 21:57try to explain it to you I don't think I
515. 21:59can I'm not very good at explaining
516. 22:01myself or explaining my feelings and but
517. 22:03um I can tell you is something very
518. 22:06different to ever anything that I felt
519. 22:09before um and I've enjoyed every single
520. 22:12moment of it sometimes it's tough
521. 22:13there's things about being a Ferrari
522. 22:15driver that is also tough and I'm not
523. 22:18going to lie it's not everything is
524. 22:20roses and and perfect but I'm struggling
525. 22:23to see what's bad about being a Ferrari
526. 22:25driver there's I'm going to f focus on
527. 22:28the positives which is everything
528. 22:32um every Grand Prix is kind of a home
529. 22:35Grand Prix H everywhere you go there
530. 22:38isosy fans H and you have the most
531. 22:41supporters out of any other place in or
532. 22:45any other team except maybe when we go
533. 22:47to to sort there's definitely more Dutch
534. 22:51fans there than Ferrar fans but I think
535. 22:53anywhere else in the
536. 22:55world it is very special knowing that
537. 22:57everyone in the grand sand is kind of a
538. 23:00Ferrari fan and wish is well for Ferrari
539. 23:02know um on the tough side we can sit
540. 23:05here and obviously do a different
541. 23:08podcast one time and I can maybe explain
542. 23:09to you what I what is tough about being
543. 23:11a Ferrari driver but I don't want this
544. 23:14interview to to to be that I think it's
545. 23:16all positives okay let's celebrate the
546. 23:19wins which has been the best
547. 23:22one it's very tough to choose um and I'm
548. 23:27going to explain you why
549. 23:29Silverstone is your first one the first
550. 23:32one is the first one is incredibly
551. 23:34special and and something that you will
552. 23:36never
553. 23:37forget Singapore you can understand why
554. 23:40Singapore was special the first the best
555. 23:43you think is the best okay perfect we've
556. 23:46just talked about Australia I can tell
557. 23:47you why Australia was special and why it
558. 23:50was emotional um because of everything
559. 23:53that happened in January the way I
560. 23:55recovered from appendicitis and
561. 23:57culminating with the wi
562. 23:59but then you have Mexico and Mexico
563. 24:01might be my last win for Ferrari um and
564. 24:06the way I achieved it by putting myself
565. 24:09under pressure that weend knowing that
566. 24:11might be my last opportunity and I
567. 24:14thought myself this is going to be or
568. 24:17this might be your one of your last
569. 24:19opportunities I'm putting myself under
570. 24:20pressure that weend and managing to
571. 24:23execute a perfect quality perfect race
572. 24:26in front of my parents that came to see
573. 24:28me that weekend in front of my best
574. 24:31friends girlfriend and and people that
575. 24:33came to see me I've felt really proud of
576. 24:37saying I managed to put myself under
577. 24:40this amount of pressure and still
578. 24:41deliver and and get it done and and
579. 24:44overtake Max for stappen yeah yeah the
580. 24:46overtake for sure was was cool but it
581. 24:49was more the way I executed the whole
582. 24:50weekend putting my putting myself under
583. 24:54that self- pressure of this might be
584. 24:56your last one another big moment for you
585. 24:59at least from the outside seemed to be
586. 25:01Monza 23 you didn't win that one but you
587. 25:04did keep Max in a faster car behind you
588. 25:07for I think 14
589. 25:09laps yeah it um I I actually feel almost
590. 25:14more more happy about the pole position
591. 25:17on Saturday than by keeping Max behind I
592. 25:19think the poll position in Mons as a
593. 25:21Ferrari driver is something very very
594. 25:23special and also because I love mon as a
595. 25:26track and I love I've always been quick
596. 25:28there and keeping Max behind knowing he
597. 25:32was anyway going to pass me because Red
598. 25:34Bull that year were
599. 25:35Unstoppable um wa they were not I beat
600. 25:38them in Singapore I'm joking but uh yeah
601. 25:42what happens when you take poll at
602. 25:43monster I mean obviously you don't pay
603. 25:45for dinner that night and probably many
604. 25:47offers of marriage as well I don't know
605. 25:49just is it does it does your life go
606. 25:51completely mad when you do something
607. 25:53like that yeah I've always dreamed about
608. 25:55that moment and obviously I cannot
609. 25:58imagine how Charles feels about winning
610. 26:00no in monsa because if I felt good being
611. 26:02on the podium in monsa and making that
612. 26:04PO position winning must be something
613. 26:06else but um I don't know it was just a
614. 26:09cool weekend I remember
615. 26:11people shouting my name in the podium is
616. 26:14something I'm never going to forget is
617. 26:16the typical story that when I'm 70 years
618. 26:19old and and I have grandsons I is the
619. 26:22typical weekend thing that I'll remember
620. 26:25all my life and I'll be telling them
621. 26:27about that your dad your granddad did
622. 26:30that you know and he they will have
623. 26:32listened to this they'll be all over it
624. 26:34I I think so but that's something really
625. 26:36cool you know that's the kind of thing I
626. 26:37think we all as a as a driver that's the
627. 26:41kind of thing you remember know those
628. 26:42special weekends those different things
629. 26:44that you've managed to do look you
630. 26:46mentioned Char's name there I did want
631. 26:48to ask you about the relationship with
632. 26:50him um you seem to have rubbed along
633. 26:53pretty well it's not quite carando
634. 26:55though would you agree I think it's the
635. 26:58different I think carlando never fought
636. 27:00for wins and never fought for podiums
637. 27:03and carlando was not in a Ferrari
638. 27:06atmosphere it was in a McLaren
639. 27:07atmosphere which is relatively different
640. 27:11um with Charles I can tell you outside
641. 27:13of the truck we get on genuinely really
642. 27:16well and we have a lot of fun really
643. 27:18good
644. 27:19conversations we talked about I think
645. 27:22any subject you can ever imagine by by
646. 27:25now with all the time we spend away from
647. 27:27the truck together on track we've had
648. 27:30our differences we've had our rivalries
649. 27:33we've had our great weekends our tougher
650. 27:35weekends but um we've always managed to
651. 27:38keep it clean between us and we've
652. 27:40always managed to keep the car without
653. 27:43any scratch from the other Ferrari car
654. 27:45you know and for two drivers that for
655. 27:49four years in a row every single weekend
656. 27:52have shared the same piece of tarmac
657. 27:54because we've always qualified within a
658. 27:56tenth of each other we've we' done every
659. 27:58start within a position or two from each
660. 28:01other we every Pit Stop every single lap
661. 28:05close to each other for four years in a
662. 28:08row to manage to keep it as clean as
663. 28:10we've kept it and as relatively easy
664. 28:13going as we've kept it I think
665. 28:16it's there's a merit to that because
666. 28:19it's not easy we're both very
667. 28:22competitive we are both Rivals and yeah
668. 28:26four years it's a lot of races I'm
669. 28:29calculating more or less almost 100
670. 28:31races sharing the same piece of tarmac
671. 28:33and it's not easy and I don't think as
672. 28:36many drivers have gone for so long so
673. 28:39close to each other without any issues
674. 28:42it seems very intense between you just
675. 28:45think back to the Sprint race in China
676. 28:48I'm thinking of Austin I'm even thinking
677. 28:50of Las Vegas last weekend actually
678. 28:53where I mean have you guys moved on from
679. 28:55that one okay yes and we will and we
680. 28:58will move on we we always have and we
681. 29:01will always put our differences aside
682. 29:03for the benefit of Ferrari and because
683. 29:06there's something bigger than each other
684. 29:08that is Ferrari you know it's it's
685. 29:12always been tough uh I know I've uh
686. 29:15sometimes done things wrong and I've
687. 29:17apologized he knows he's sometimes done
688. 29:19things wrong and he's apologized we
689. 29:21always find kind of a middle ground to
690. 29:23move on and yeah you know I think radio
691. 29:28Stone help makes things bigger than what
692. 29:31it looks then when we go back and we sit
693. 29:33down with each other and we let's say
694. 29:36digest together what what has happened
695. 29:39because the radio is very intense the
696. 29:41radio is something that from home and
697. 29:44and for the media is very sassy you know
698. 29:46you you you get all the intensity of the
699. 29:50driver of the how sorry for the word how
700. 29:53of we are at the time and how angry we
701. 29:56are but then once that level of
702. 29:59adrenaline comes down and when we are
703. 30:01behind closed doors things are a lot
704. 30:03less heated than what you guys can
705. 30:06imagine and we managed to to put things
706. 30:09aside and and move on do you understand
707. 30:11why charl was so upset after Vegas I'm
708. 30:15thinking of his radio message on the
709. 30:16Slowdown lap I understand the level of
710. 30:20anger uh I've been as angry as that many
711. 30:24many times before and I can assure you
712. 30:27I've also been in that position I just
713. 30:31try not to vocalize it as much in the
714. 30:34radio and it's something that we've both
715. 30:36really put it as a Target to say look I
716. 30:38know many times you just hate me you
717. 30:41know and many times I just and we laugh
718. 30:43about it there's times that you hate me
719. 30:45there's times that I hate you but we
720. 30:47need to move on from that and and let's
721. 30:48try and not use the radio I think
722. 30:50obviously Charles in in that sense in in
723. 30:52Las Vegas couldn't control himself so so
724. 30:55much but uh at the same time I
725. 30:58understand it I am able to also move on
726. 31:01from that I I'm not going to complain
727. 31:03I'm going to look back at the four four
728. 31:06years with Charles and I'm going to have
729. 31:07a good memory and I'm going to look back
730. 31:10and I'm going to say he was a tough
731. 31:12competitor sometimes very vocal in the
732. 31:14radio but very tough competitor that I
733. 31:17enjoyed every single battle with him and
734. 31:18I enjoyed being his teammate and I'm
735. 31:22incredibly happy to to have shared those
736. 31:24four four years with him because I
737. 31:27become a better driver thanks to him
738. 31:28he's become probably a better driver
739. 31:30thanks to me and we're just yeah we had
740. 31:33a lot of fun together and we had tough
741. 31:36Fierce competition but always clean and
742. 31:39always within the limits that a team
743. 31:41would like to have last question on
744. 31:44Ferrari and it's a bit of a segue into
745. 31:46Williams as well is something James
746. 31:48Val's team principal of Williams told me
747. 31:51is that you have improved every team
748. 31:54you've raced for in Formula 1
749. 31:58how do you think you've helped improve
750. 32:00Ferrari yeah I think that is obviously a
751. 32:03very nice comment from James and I
752. 32:05appreciate that team principals are able
753. 32:08to see
754. 32:09also a bit further down just the pure
755. 32:13results know and they can also spot
756. 32:16Trends and spot these kind of details
757. 32:18you know because it's something that I
758. 32:21enjoy is something that I put a lot of
759. 32:23effort into in my career which is always
760. 32:27try and help the team to to become
761. 32:29better and to be a better team and
762. 32:31become faster not only just serve as a
763. 32:35tool for the team to just drive fast the
764. 32:37car that they produce I also like
765. 32:39developing that car I also like spending
766. 32:42extra time with my engineers and with
767. 32:44the engineers in general of the team
768. 32:46extra time with me the mechanics and
769. 32:48that's why when I went to Ferrari I
770. 32:51moved to Marino because I set myself as
771. 32:53a Target I'm going to help Ferrari the
772. 32:57biggest team in the world to try and
773. 32:59become world champions again and I with
774. 33:01my skill set and with my feedback and
775. 33:03with my tools I'm going to try and yeah
776. 33:06be the one that helps Ferrari to come
777. 33:09back to the top you know and it's
778. 33:11something I enjoy I intrinsically get
779. 33:13ins involved in all these conversations
780. 33:16because I enjoy it and I and I yeah try
781. 33:19to do the best I can to give the the
782. 33:21best possible feedback and the best
783. 33:23possible directions are we talking
784. 33:25operationally are we talking technically
785. 33:27or is it
786. 33:28across every every aspect of performance
787. 33:31I think it's every aspect I think
788. 33:33there's things that a driver can have
789. 33:35more effect than others obviously
790. 33:37performance with setup work and
791. 33:40understanding of the setup and the
792. 33:42feeling of testing things to then tell
793. 33:46the team this works this doesn't work
794. 33:48this we should push more in this
795. 33:49direction this is definitely not the
796. 33:52right
797. 33:52direction uh things like that
798. 33:54operationally also a bit less because I
799. 33:57am not a team principal I'm not someone
800. 33:59that can manage a team I don't have the
801. 34:03skill set at least not yet at this age
802. 34:05but I can say
803. 34:07operationally how doesn't matter if it's
804. 34:10uh strategy pit stops or whatever I
805. 34:14can give some advice or give an opinion
806. 34:17of of of how I think or how I feel we're
807. 34:20doing things no and that's where I
808. 34:23obviously don't get too much into it
809. 34:25because I don't want to be too much in
810. 34:28in a way and I obviously I'm not a
811. 34:29manager as I said I'm just a racing
812. 34:31driver but that's also something that I
813. 34:34enjoy and that's something that I will
814. 34:35will always give feedback about keeping
815. 34:38things calm on the pit wall do you feel
816. 34:39you've had an influence on that I don't
817. 34:41know I think Ferrari honestly in that
818. 34:43sense and also Fred have done a very
819. 34:46good job at improving that side of
820. 34:48things and I think this year proves also
821. 34:51how much that department strategy group
822. 34:54and and race management has improved um
823. 34:58don't get me wrong a better race day car
824. 35:00also helps but uh I think in that sense
825. 35:04Ferrari has done massive step forwards
826. 35:06recently Vegas was not our best example
827. 35:09about it for sure but everyone can have
828. 35:11a an off day and or we all had an off
829. 35:14day in Vegas but uh if you get the
830. 35:16average of the 2024 season the progress
831. 35:19that Ferrari has shown in that sense is
832. 35:21huge and and I think it's just down to
833. 35:25everyone involved in in this team about
834. 35:27it right let's throw it forward now is
835. 35:30everything after Ferrari going to feel a
836. 35:32bit of a step down no 100% no I still be
837. 35:36a formul one
838. 35:39driver enjoying my life uh there will be
839. 35:43positives there will be other negatives
840. 35:46but you need to remember that what I
841. 35:48enjoy is putting on a helmet and driving
842. 35:50a formul one car doesn't matter the
843. 35:52color I just enjoy driving I enjoy the
844. 35:55competition I enjoy challenging myself
845. 35:59and especially more than anything I
846. 36:00enjoy living a weekend
847. 36:04thinking there is nothing else I could
848. 36:07have done to make that car faster than
849. 36:09what I did and to drive as fast as I did
850. 36:12because I think I've manag to execute
851. 36:14the maximum out of the package and
852. 36:16that's what I will be trying to do
853. 36:18weekend in weekend out next year and you
854. 36:20can get that same sense of satisfaction
855. 36:23battling for p i mean Alex albor didn't
856. 36:25get out of q1 in Vegas you think you can
857. 36:27get that same sense of satisfaction back
858. 36:31there that you do at the front I think
859. 36:34inside of yourself yes then for sure
860. 36:37I'll miss the podiums I'll miss the
861. 36:39celebrations I I'll
862. 36:42miss being on a headline because I've
863. 36:44won or because I've been on a poll or
864. 36:46because
865. 36:47whatever but my target is to get back to
866. 36:50there I'm not going to
867. 36:53Williams just to extract the maximum out
868. 36:55of the car I'm going to Williams to try
869. 36:57and bring Williams back to the
870. 36:59possibility of fighting for those
871. 37:00podiums and and and and for the
872. 37:04possibility of fighting for those things
873. 37:05that also fill me know and fulfill me
874. 37:09and
875. 37:10and if as I said I am a driver that I
876. 37:15think is going to enjoy that process
877. 37:16because I enjoy the um trying to help
878. 37:21trying to get involved in in just making
879. 37:24a uh everything work better no so I'm
880. 37:27just looking forward to it more a lot
881. 37:29more than what people back at home might
882. 37:31be thinking like I am so happy and so
883. 37:35motivated about that possibility and
884. 37:37about that possibility happen that I
885. 37:39don't think people can imagine how
886. 37:41actually excited I am about it tell tell
887. 37:43us about the decision making process
888. 37:46because throughout the summer you were
889. 37:47the most wanted man who was available on
890. 37:50the
891. 37:51grid Alpine wanted
892. 37:54you lots of people actually wanted you
893. 37:56why Williams I
894. 37:59remember having a very tough time let's
895. 38:03say during those months because I had to
896. 38:06decide about my future and it was not
897. 38:08easy I had as you said plenty of options
898. 38:12plenty of
899. 38:13possibilities trying to find out who was
900. 38:16going to be the fastest team in 25 and
901. 38:1926 and who was going to deliver more
902. 38:22downforce deliver more power for the 26
903. 38:25generation of cars and I was trying to
904. 38:27do all my questions about to every team
905. 38:30and to every technical director team
906. 38:33principal asking those questions and
907. 38:35then suddenly just before the summer
908. 38:37break I realized this this is not going
909. 38:40to be what makes or breaks my my
910. 38:43decision making I think what's going to
911. 38:46make or break my decision making is is
912. 38:48the people is the people in the team and
913. 38:51I remember
914. 38:52thinking JV James bows and his team have
915. 38:55shown me an incredible level of
916. 38:58commitment towards me and they've showed
917. 39:02me a project and a a vision a future a
918. 39:06vision of the future that has convinced
919. 39:09me and I'm going to trust the people I'm
920. 39:11going to trust the people that I'm
921. 39:13joining rather than the downforce the
922. 39:17the things that I've said before no and
923. 39:19I'm going to feel I'm going to follow
924. 39:21that instinct and my instinct at the
925. 39:23time Told Me JB and his team have
926. 39:25produced a project that I was really
927. 39:28excited about and I was just going to
928. 39:29trust that instinct because I remember
929. 39:33leaving McLaren in 2020 feeling these
930. 39:36people Andrea Stella sack Brown and
931. 39:38Company these people are world champion
932. 39:41material like I felt McLaren was one day
933. 39:44going to be world champion back again
934. 39:46with those key members and I then
935. 39:50suddenly I realized 2024 McLaren is the
936. 39:53fastest team on the grid for for a few
937. 39:56races so my instinct was right when I
938. 39:58left McLaren so I said I'm just going to
939. 40:01follow my instinct and say JV and and
940. 40:03his team did you get the heads up about
941. 40:06Hamilton leaving Ferrari because James
942. 40:10has told us on this podcast that your
943. 40:12first meeting with him was Abu Dhabi
944. 40:15last year that was before Lewis had
945. 40:16pulled the trigger and announced that he
946. 40:18was leaving U was going to Ferrari sorry
947. 40:21I'm going to be extremely honest with
948. 40:22you when I talked to JB in Abu Dhabi
949. 40:25when my management team says James
950. 40:28thanks for your interest but 90% that
951. 40:31we're going to renew our contract with
952. 40:33Ferrari but we will let you know what
953. 40:35happens in during these next months that
954. 40:37was my answer and thanks for your
955. 40:40interest great but at the moment it
956. 40:42looks like we're just going to at least
957. 40:45that's what we're receiving feedback
958. 40:46from Ferrari that it's almost a d deal
959. 40:50that's how shocking it was then what
960. 40:52what happened how long do you give
961. 40:54Williams Because James vals has also
962. 40:56said that the facility in Grove are 20
963. 40:59years behind those at Mercedes yeah
964. 41:02that's not a quick fix and almost I I
965. 41:05wouldn't say I don't care but I've seen
966. 41:08what they've shown me and I'm 100%
967. 41:11convinced James and hip team are doing
968. 41:15every necessary
969. 41:17work to put together a a plan and a and
970. 41:21an infrastructure that is capable of of
971. 41:24being at the topag again in Formula One
972. 41:26so yeah I know that right now that place
973. 41:29is not up to the standards like it's
974. 41:32Maranello but they have everything in
975. 41:34plan to get it to to work how long do I
976. 41:37keep them I don't know how long do they
977. 41:40give me to to help them I don't know
978. 41:42it's it's a relative question again I
979. 41:44I'm only worried about the more
980. 41:46immediate future and how much progress
981. 41:49we're going to make during 25 and during
982. 41:5226 this is what I what I care mostly
983. 41:55about and to see the trend and the
984. 41:56tendency because that's the the momentum
985. 41:59that we need to to start building from
986. 42:01next year onwards I get the potential at
987. 42:03Williams but do you think you committed
988. 42:06too soon in that with czecher Perez's
989. 42:10troubles at Red Bull there might be an
990. 42:12option there now if you were still
991. 42:13available was there ever an option for a
992. 42:16one a one-year deal at
993. 42:18Mercedes I think if if anything a lot of
994. 42:22people in the P will think I took too
995. 42:24long especially a lot of my fellow
996. 42:26drivers thought I was taking too long to
997. 42:28decide no uh no I don't think I fit
998. 42:33into the Red Bull situation they had me
999. 42:36available for six months and they didn't
1000. 42:39pick me I think but at that time czecho
1001. 42:43was still doing a decent job he was
1002. 42:45finishing on the podium in the early
1003. 42:46races of the year no it was a lot later
1004. 42:49it was until the summer break and as I
1005. 42:52said
1006. 42:53Ferrari sorry Red Bull had me available
1007. 42:55for six months and they the pick me and
1008. 42:57I think it's because I simply don't fit
1009. 42:59into the type of driver that they need
1010. 43:01right now in Red Bull and I'm completely
1011. 43:03fine with that like that's if anything
1012. 43:07they're making me a favor so um I don't
1013. 43:12I don't see myself as a what did you say
1014. 43:15like a a lost opportunity to not wait to
1015. 43:18December that's not how the Formula 1
1016. 43:21market works if I would have done that I
1017. 43:24might have even been uh without a
1018. 43:27contract a formula one contract for for
1019. 43:2925 if I keep
1020. 43:31Alin Williams Ori waiting until this
1021. 43:34late and I also have obviously an ego
1022. 43:38and I'm going to go with the people that
1023. 43:40they really want me and James I canot
1024. 43:43explain to you how much I felt wanted
1025. 43:45and how much I felt pushed to to to join
1026. 43:48them and they did an incredible job also
1027. 43:50in convincing me because yeah it is a a
1028. 43:53project that as I said before I just
1029. 43:55look forward to it James has actually
1030. 43:58described um trying to sign you as a
1031. 44:01courtship he said we would be going out
1032. 44:03to dinner
1033. 44:05and who was going to make the first move
1034. 44:08yeah maybe he went a bit too far with
1035. 44:09that with that comment but um no he just
1036. 44:12did a good job in that
1037. 44:14sense also the the Investment Group lton
1038. 44:17that I and the people that I've met from
1039. 44:19the group gave me an a a great level of
1040. 44:23of of trust you know and as I said if
1041. 44:27the other few other top teams that were
1042. 44:30available at the time um I would have
1043. 44:33fit the project that they were thinking
1044. 44:34they would have they had six months to
1045. 44:37decide and they didn't so caros do you
1046. 44:39like the fact that Williams are a bunch
1047. 44:41of races with a capital R even James
1048. 44:44does a bit of racing himself James
1049. 44:46Matthews who's one of the board members
1050. 44:48there did a lot of racing in in the UK
1051. 44:50before he went on to do other things
1052. 44:52does that appeal to you that it's a it's
1053. 44:54a proper racing team
1054. 44:57100% this is also this was also part of
1055. 45:01all the mix of things that helped me
1056. 45:03took that
1057. 45:04decision let's see the last time that I
1058. 45:06was in a team of pure racist that was I
1059. 45:10think not disrespect over to Ferrari is
1060. 45:13also a team of races but McLaren had a
1061. 45:14bit that similar Vibe if you want to oh
1062. 45:17with Z with Zag and and and Andrea
1063. 45:19Stella S at the time and had that
1064. 45:23similar kind of vibe and I think I
1065. 45:25thrive no in that kind of environment in
1066. 45:27McLaren so I saw myself going to
1067. 45:30Williams thinking it's an environment
1068. 45:31where I think I can show the ver version
1069. 45:34of myself that this my my target for the
1070. 45:36future and what about Alex Alburn he's
1071. 45:39obviously given you good doctor's advice
1072. 45:41earlier in the year but do you rate him
1073. 45:43as a racing
1074. 45:44driver I don't only rate him as a racing
1075. 45:47driver as a really good racing driver
1076. 45:49but also as a great human I think if you
1077. 45:52ask the other 19 drivers in the grid who
1078. 45:55do you think is one of the Gen
1079. 45:57good guys in the grid I think they would
1080. 45:59all say Alex
1081. 46:02and I've never been teammates with Alex
1082. 46:05I've never seen his data but I've
1083. 46:06obviously asked Lando Charles or George
1084. 46:09that are um have race with Alex and they
1085. 46:12all say people don't know how fast Alex
1086. 46:15is like everyone is like telling me he's
1087. 46:18genuinely a really really good driver
1088. 46:21like super talented and super fast
1089. 46:23they've all raced against him me I think
1090. 46:25only one year of C
1091. 46:27but I don't remember much and um yeah I
1092. 46:30think I'm it's a good cocktail of things
1093. 46:33not just a good human being and a and a
1094. 46:36great racing driver that I'm looking
1095. 46:37forward to work with and just work
1096. 46:40together I think Williams what Williams
1097. 46:43needs right now is two guys like Alex
1098. 46:45and me pushing flat out to to make that
1099. 46:48process make that Journey as short as
1100. 46:50possible to bring Williams back to where
1101. 46:52they deserve to be James thinks he's got
1102. 46:55the best driver line up on the grid next
1103. 46:56year
1104. 46:57I think it's a great statement by James
1105. 47:01I wouldn't obviously disrespect Charles
1106. 47:03and Lewis as a as teammates
1107. 47:06um but yeah apart from from from them I
1108. 47:09think Williams has a obviously a bias
1109. 47:13but a very strong lineup well Carlos
1110. 47:16it's been wonderful to chat I did just
1111. 47:18want to end this going back to Ferrari
1112. 47:21because we've got a guest who's going to
1113. 47:24join us now um I wonder if if Ricardo
1114. 47:28could come in oh my God Ricardo adami
1115. 47:32Tricky Ricky Ricardo Dam Ricardo how are
1116. 47:35you if could could you just come and sit
1117. 47:37next to that would be fantastic this is
1118. 47:39a
1119. 47:40surprise he just sent me his report of
1120. 47:44pre Qatar report and uh I was just
1121. 47:48looking at it and now here he is so we
1122. 47:51have special guests joining us now
1123. 47:54Ricardo adami race engineer done all the
1124. 47:56races with you caros hasn't he how how
1125. 47:59would you describe your relationship
1126. 48:02with each other yeah I'll I'll start
1127. 48:04with that uh Ricky is um is exactly the
1128. 48:10the guy that I needed when I arrived to
1129. 48:12Ferrari a guy that um knew the team
1130. 48:15inside out he had been many years in
1131. 48:17Ferrari at the time and I remember going
1132. 48:20into such a big
1133. 48:22organization such a big world without
1134. 48:25knowing anything about the insights of
1135. 48:27the team and Ricky did a very good job
1136. 48:29at introducing me to the key people
1137. 48:32introducing me to all the Marinello um
1138. 48:36Fabric and all the mechanics he has a
1139. 48:38great relationship with and and
1140. 48:40obviously he helped me also with he knew
1141. 48:42very well the car he knew very well
1142. 48:45Sebastian er um the setups of the car
1143. 48:49the the the driving styles of Sebastian
1144. 48:51against Charles and we just started
1145. 48:53forming a very strong relationship that
1146. 48:55helped me adapt to Ferrari I think the
1147. 48:58quickest that I could have adapted well
1148. 49:01how quickly did it happen that that
1149. 49:03jelling process yeah was uh was uh since
1150. 49:06day one I think was uh we were on the
1151. 49:09same uh wavelength uh so thinking the
1152. 49:13same way having similar experience in a
1153. 49:15way because from Toro Roso days I knew
1154. 49:17many Engineers that work with him so I
1155. 49:19had some advises how he was and how to
1156. 49:22tackle our project together and yeah it
1157. 49:26was a as I say since the beginning very
1158. 49:28good relationship we were on the on the
1159. 49:30same page on developing the car and uh
1160. 49:34working together he has a very strong
1161. 49:37attitude to uh workload so very high
1162. 49:40workload together on the simulator and
1163. 49:42developing the car and understanding
1164. 49:44each other since uh the beginning and
1165. 49:47yeah the results are there to to see
1166. 49:49after four years we are fighting for the
1167. 49:51championship together so developing the
1168. 49:53car as work quite nicely
1169. 49:56what what's his greatest strength yeah
1170. 49:59as I said the the is a very hard worker
1171. 50:04uh level of details uh that we we
1172. 50:07looking together and developed in the
1173. 50:09car and the setup I would say that's is
1174. 50:11a is strength and uh what I've noticed
1175. 50:15is uh and the cause and uh and action so
1176. 50:19he's able to to understand technical
1177. 50:21stuff and then applying driving that is
1178. 50:24not easy you know it's easy to say but
1179. 50:26then to do it is another thing what do
1180. 50:28you think has been his greatest
1181. 50:30performance for Ferrari so far Mexico
1182. 50:33outstanding yeah Mexico more than
1183. 50:35Singapore more than Singapore Singapore
1184. 50:37was more of a fox driving no SM
1185. 50:41smart understanding and and playing but
1186. 50:44uh yeah as I said was uh Mexico was fair
1187. 50:48and square and uh dominating as I told
1188. 50:51him after the the race the weekend since
1189. 50:54fp1 basically are you going to miss the
1190. 50:56this guy yeah for sure yeah yeah for
1191. 50:59sure I will I will we will miss him as a
1192. 51:02group but yeah will you miss Ricky 100%
1193. 51:08I think we' built a lot of good memories
1194. 51:11obviously my as I said before my first
1195. 51:13wins have not only come with Ferrari but
1196. 51:15have come with Ricky with gum with my
1197. 51:18mechanics with Corte uh and um the other
1198. 51:23Engineers of of my group let's say and
1199. 51:25it is something that I'm people that
1200. 51:27obviously I'm going to keep for the rest
1201. 51:30of my life really good memories no and
1202. 51:32um I would be very happy and very open
1203. 51:35to to work with them in the future
1204. 51:37because they've been a great part of of
1205. 51:39of of the success that we've had
1206. 51:41together in Ferrari Ricky you worked
1207. 51:43with Sebastian well lots of great
1208. 51:45drivers but Sebastian vettle is is one
1209. 51:47that Springs to mind do you see
1210. 51:49similarities between Carlos and
1211. 51:50Sebastian yes indeed they are quite
1212. 51:53similar in term of uh yeah simulator
1213. 51:56working with the simulator developing as
1214. 51:59I say the car the understanding of of
1215. 52:02the the car Behavior and the sensitivity
1216. 52:07to staff so is quite sensitive on
1217. 52:10changes of the car at times you know we
1218. 52:13change stuff uh blind as it is able to
1219. 52:16recognize what what has been changed in
1220. 52:17the C that is quite impressive that came
1221. 52:20to my mind very similar to
1222. 52:22Sebastian we started this podcast
1223. 52:24talking about Melbourne and the job that
1224. 52:28well Carlos had to do during the buildup
1225. 52:30but also during the weekend softening
1226. 52:32the brake pedal things like that just
1227. 52:35can I get your memories of that weekend
1228. 52:36as well yeah it was quite intense
1229. 52:38because yeah from uh from Wednesday it
1230. 52:41was for the seat belts that didn't
1231. 52:43arrive from home we were a bit upset and
1232. 52:46say w we do it you know and then it was
1233. 52:48quite shocking the very first lap you
1234. 52:51did in fp1 I was looking I was looking
1235. 52:54the the other engineers and I was saying
1236. 52:57are we really sure we want to do it you
1237. 52:59know because I had just the OE was
1238. 53:01warming up already after ex after my
1239. 53:03first lap ol was already warming I like
1240. 53:06I'm definitely D I was like 5 Seconds
1241. 53:08off you know not even pushing because as
1242. 53:11I said I couldn't be I didn't trust that
1243. 53:14I could push no but very quickly I got
1244. 53:17within a decent margin no and I we
1245. 53:20started working on the brake pedal and
1246. 53:22things to to make me feel a bit more
1247. 53:25comfortable Well Ricky thank you very
1248. 53:27much for joining us it's been uh great
1249. 53:29to have you I'm going to let you go now
1250. 53:31uh I've just got to do some quick fire
1251. 53:33questions with Carlos if that's right
1252. 53:35but thank you very much for your time
1253. 53:37and um thank you I don't know I don't
1254. 53:39know how I don't know how we get driver
1255. 53:41and race engineer to sort of do a
1256. 53:43farewell on screen we still they have a
1257. 53:46few battles to fight we have time for
1258. 53:48the farewell after AB all right we go
1259. 53:51for a pizza together yeah great to have
1260. 53:54Ricky join us one of the things you said
1261. 53:56say oh I would like to work with him in
1262. 53:58the future did you ever think about
1263. 54:00taking him trying to take him with you
1264. 54:02to Williams of course there's these kind
1265. 54:04of things come come to your head H but
1266. 54:07at the same time you also need to be
1267. 54:08realistic and as much as working
1268. 54:12relationships are
1269. 54:14important the personal ones are also
1270. 54:17fundamental and I know obviously his
1271. 54:19family is in Italy his kids they leave
1272. 54:2210 minutes away from arelo and I also
1273. 54:24realize like there's things that
1274. 54:27sometimes you wish that could happen but
1275. 54:29also there's other things that
1276. 54:30realistically you know they're probably
1277. 54:32never going to happen so you never even
1278. 54:35like H try to make them happen because
1279. 54:37they are a bit too far from from the
1280. 54:40possible reality and and I think a guy
1281. 54:43like Ricky honestly is a guy that will
1282. 54:46always be a a Ferrari guy and he
1283. 54:49deserves you know to to to be there keep
1284. 54:52being successful there like he's been
1285. 54:54and he's also very loved and very
1286. 54:55respect by by everyone there well Carlos
1287. 54:59it's been great to catch up after a
1288. 55:01couple of years if we can just end this
1289. 55:04in what I call the traditional way are
1290. 55:06quickfire questions okay what else are
1291. 55:08you good at um I would say in general
1292. 55:12just Sports I'm good at all sports all
1293. 55:16sports I'm at decent level at every
1294. 55:18sport so golf would be the main one yeah
1295. 55:22you played the old corset St Andrews in
1296. 55:23the summer didn't you yeah I was going
1297. 55:25through a very tough moment in my
1298. 55:27golfing career and I play my best if I
1299. 55:30would play that course that day the
1300. 55:32level that I'm playing now that could
1301. 55:35have been so much better well course
1302. 55:37record I think is 61 no no I'm not
1303. 55:39talking about course records obviously
1304. 55:41I'm not a pro and anything like that but
1305. 55:44the other day I shoot my first round on
1306. 55:46the par one under in a tournament back
1307. 55:49in Spain and yeah um I'm still a five
1308. 55:55handicap but it's coming down and Tennis
1309. 55:58is another sport
1310. 55:59squash your old man was a good squash
1311. 56:02player wasn't he my dad was a squash
1312. 56:04Champion but everything with a rocket I
1313. 56:07can play fairly well um mon skin
1314. 56:13wakeboarding uh I don't know football I
1315. 56:17I can play
1316. 56:18decent I don't know you name it doesn't
1317. 56:21matter I I always if you tell me a sport
1318. 56:23and you say I challenge you you might
1319. 56:26beat me the first time but maybe in two
1320. 56:28months I come back and I'm so upset
1321. 56:31about having lost that I will get to a
1322. 56:33good level right I'm thinking paddle now
1323. 56:36are you part of the paddle gang in The
1324. 56:38Paddock I'm not part of the gang I don't
1325. 56:40play with the gang because they're still
1326. 56:42not at the level
1327. 56:44but I can play
1328. 56:47P right you've laid down a marker now um
1329. 56:51look next one which racing person Dead
1330. 56:54or Alive would you want to be stuck in a
1331. 56:57lift with okay Senna I think just share
1332. 57:01a good conversation with Senna I would
1333. 57:03love to what would you ask him so many
1334. 57:05things I honestly I don't know where I
1335. 57:07would start I would just know I would be
1336. 57:10very annoying asking a lot of questions
1337. 57:13who would play you in a film who looks
1338. 57:15like
1339. 57:16me well it doesn't really matter no you
1340. 57:20I like as an as actors I really like
1341. 57:22Will
1342. 57:23Smith um why he I don't know I've always
1343. 57:28liked him like like his movies and his
1344. 57:30acting I always found it a mix between
1345. 57:33funny but also
1346. 57:35cool I like if it has to be an action
1347. 57:38movie maybe Tom Cruz could be cool um
1348. 57:42who is the coolest person in your
1349. 57:45contacts I don't know I'm lucky to have
1350. 57:48in my contacts people like Nadal
1351. 57:52raadal the best ever had something you
1352. 57:55know for me is cool and for me Rafa is
1353. 57:57the best or one of the best ever at
1354. 58:00tennis t poacha is going to be the best
1355. 58:03ever in cycling
1356. 58:05and probably there's also people from
1357. 58:08some other sport that are the best and
1358. 58:11do they inspire you when you're doing
1359. 58:13those Sports I mean I know you've been
1360. 58:15out cycling with not when I am doing
1361. 58:18them because I'm so far from them that
1362. 58:20it is not I don't think about their
1363. 58:23level when I play that sport what I
1364. 58:24think is what they might manag to
1365. 58:26achieve in sport in general and the
1366. 58:28mentality they have the I know how tough
1367. 58:31it is to win but the way that these
1368. 58:34people manage to dominate and win so
1369. 58:36much in their sport is truly impressive
1370. 58:39and especially the I like people with
1371. 58:43the way they go about winning it's for
1372. 58:45me it's not only about winning it's the
1373. 58:47way they go about the way they go about
1374. 58:49it and being an example to the younger
1375. 58:52generation and for me this two that I
1376. 58:54just mentioned is the perfect example
1377. 58:57for the younger generation of how to
1378. 59:00approach competition how to approach
1379. 59:03life as an
1380. 59:04athlete and yeah they're just a truly
1381. 59:07great example final one if you hosted a
1382. 59:11podcast like this who would be your
1383. 59:13first guest I think these two could be a
1384. 59:16good start and then I would try and get
1385. 59:19Tiger Woods in the podcast I would try
1386. 59:21and get um
1387. 59:26ilura the UFC fighter Spanish I become a
1388. 59:31big fan of him
1389. 59:32recently
1390. 59:33[Music]
1391. 59:34um I don't know just the greatest if I
1392. 59:37could just get the contact of the
1393. 59:39greatest at at things you know and I'd
1394. 59:42listen to all challenging them with
1395. 59:44tricky questions like you do you know is
1396. 59:46there is there a formula one person you
1397. 59:49bring on yeah for sure for sure I I I
1398. 59:53would like to
1399. 59:54bring fellow r racing drivers and try
1400. 59:58and open them up and have the kind of
1401. 1:00:02conversation that I can have with
1402. 1:00:03Charles Orlando about racing and see let
1403. 1:00:08the people at home see the kind of stuff
1404. 1:00:10that we can talk about and discuss I
1405. 1:00:13think this would be very cool you
1406. 1:00:15achieved that with Char and Lando yeah
1407. 1:00:17but who would you like not with a
1408. 1:00:19microphone in front of us yeah yeah yeah
1409. 1:00:20but but is there another driver that you
1410. 1:00:23would be intrigued to unpick I think
1411. 1:00:26those two are the ones that I could get
1412. 1:00:28the most out of because I know them very
1413. 1:00:30well and I would say remember this time
1414. 1:00:32what did you think when I did this or
1415. 1:00:34when did he think that and I could get
1416. 1:00:37the most out of for a podcast from these
1417. 1:00:40two because I know them well and I have
1418. 1:00:41more experience with them with the
1419. 1:00:44others yeah with my teammates I ex
1420. 1:00:47teammates I would manage to get
1421. 1:00:50more Saucy
1422. 1:00:52stuff I think we'll leave it there
1423. 1:00:54Carlos what a great check thank you very
1424. 1:00:56much for your time it's Che thank you
1425. 1:00:58very much