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0:00Disclaimer,
0:01this video is for commentary and
0:02educational purposes only.
0:04All individuals are presumed innocent
0:06until proven guilty in a court of law.
0:08>> [snorts]
0:08>> Any footage used in this video is
0:10obtained through public records and
0:12falls under fair use for the purpose of
0:13reporting, analysis, and public
0:15interest.
0:17Yeah, he was threatening my family,
0:19okay? Okay. I told you I was afraid of
0:21the guy. Right.
0:23You know, he said my junkie sister was,
0:27you know, saying his name too much and
0:30he was going to kill her and I, you
0:32know, we're close and
0:35I couldn't let that happen.
0:38In December 2014, a quiet Austin
0:41neighborhood became the center of a
0:42disturbing homicide investigation. Kathy
0:45Blair, a respected choir director and
0:47teacher, [music] was found murdered
0:48inside her home during what appeared to
0:50be a burglary. Jewelry was missing
0:52>> [music]
0:52>> and there were few immediate clues
0:53pointing to who had entered the house
0:55that night.
0:56Days later, the investigation [music]
0:58grew more urgent when an elderly couple,
1:00Sidney and Billie Shelton, were found
1:02killed in their own home under similar
1:04circumstances.
1:05Detectives began to suspect [music] the
1:07crimes were connected, part of a series
1:09of burglaries that had escalated into
1:11violence.
1:12As investigators [music]
1:13followed the evidence, their focus
1:14narrowed to two men
1:16and one of them would eventually give a
1:18detailed account of what [music]
1:19happened inside Kathy Blair's home.
1:21This is the interrogation of Shawn Gant
1:23Ben Alcazar.
1:24You're not going to continue
1:27on in the same vein, you know?
1:30That's why
1:31the reason Travis County Jail is they're
1:33all looking for
1:35something they can latch onto
1:37that says,
1:39"Hey,
1:41you know,
1:42let's let's spare this guy. Let's give
1:44this guy a chance."
1:47Um
1:48And that's what they're looking for,
1:49okay?
1:51What they don't like to see, what no one
1:53none of us like to see,
1:55the decision makers is
1:57is when someone doesn't,
2:00you know, take responsibility for their
2:01action, doesn't even express remorse for
2:04their action,
2:05you know, lies about their actions.
2:07Those things all are things that weigh
2:10against them,
2:11okay? Things that that weigh towards
2:13them is, you know, mitigat- mitigating
2:16things, you know, are things that
2:19um you know, they indicate that a person
2:22has
2:23has
2:25has done something as a result
2:28of
2:29you know, they weren't in their in their
2:31right mind, you know, maybe they're
2:33under the control of somebody, maybe
2:35maybe they're scared of somebody that
2:36makes them want to do something. You
2:38know, these are all kind of mitigating
2:40things, but
2:42but the time to say,
2:45"No,
2:46it's not the way it happened. It's not
2:47that way, okay?
2:49Because
2:50we're way past that. We're We're way
2:52past that."
2:54We're sitting in the room right now.
2:56We're given the opportunity to do one of
2:58two things and that's either,
3:00you know, bail yourself out or or sink
3:04your own boat, you know?
3:06And it really doesn't matter to us how
3:07it goes,
3:09you know, because in the end we can
3:10we can prove what happened. We can prove
3:12it
3:13scientifically
3:16and we can prove that
3:18through good evidence,
3:21facts.
3:22We can bring facts to what
3:25to what happened. So, when we bring
3:27those facts and we present them,
3:30it's
3:31indisputable about what happened.
3:34Okay? The only thing that we can't ever
3:35figure out
3:37is why.
3:38And that's the part of the equation
3:42that we can't figure out.
3:45Um because I can't I can't insert why
3:47into the equation. What I can insert is
3:50facts and the facts are pretty cold, you
3:52know, when they're just laid out there
3:55on their own without explanation,
3:57without narration, without
4:01you know, someone speaking
4:06up as to why the circumstances occurred.
4:10Um
4:11And when they go out that way,
4:13you know,
4:15people are just going to look at the
4:16facts and the facts
4:18are not pretty in this case. You know
4:19that. The facts are not pretty in this
4:21case.
4:23So, when we look at that, we look at
4:25those facts,
4:27I present those facts cuz when we're
4:29down here,
4:32when we're down here today,
4:34we go back to Austin,
4:36we present all we learned, okay?
4:39And and I know what I know. I know what
4:42I know before I came in here.
4:44I know what I'm going to know even
4:45better
4:47in the next few days, okay?
4:50And I can present those things that I
4:51know
4:53just by themselves or I can present the
4:55explanation. The only person who can
4:56explain things
4:58is you for you to understand
5:00why this happened,
5:03what what the
5:06what led up to it
5:08because
5:10um
5:13You know, don't I always tell people
5:15don't let others
5:17tell their story, you know?
5:20You got to tell your own story.
5:22You got to
5:23got to
5:24own up. You got to take that first step.
5:26You got to take responsibility before
5:28you can ever go to those next steps and
5:30say,
5:31you know, I regret what would have you
5:34know,
5:34you know, it wouldn't happen again. It
5:36wouldn't happen.
5:37Something in my life
5:39was going on at that moment Mhm. that
5:42led to this happening.
5:44And We We know why the house was chosen.
5:48That's what led us to you because we
5:50know why the house was chosen.
5:52And why was the house chosen? Because
5:54Tim chose it.
5:56Okay. So, we know that.
5:58All right. So, maybe I don't know, did
6:00he
6:01bully you into going into the house or
6:04threaten your sister or
6:06what was the deal?
6:14I mean, what are you saying? What we're
6:16saying is you went in the house. That's
6:18what we're saying.
6:19And And we can prove that, okay? So,
6:21this is something that
6:24you're going to have to face up to. It's
6:26the fact that
6:28you have to explain that, okay? You have
6:30to explain what happened once you went
6:32inside the house, okay? And why things
6:35happened the way that they did,
6:37because
6:39because you're the only one who can
6:41provide that explanation. You're the
6:43only one who can provide the context
6:45for why things occurred because if I
6:49just go in and the only thing I'm able
6:50to say
6:52is that
6:54is that you caused the death of Kathy
6:57Blair
6:58and show people pictures of it and show
7:02people,
7:04you know, the scientific things behind
7:07it, that's cold. It's impersonal. It
7:09doesn't tell the story.
7:10It doesn't tell the story of why.
7:13It allows other people to make decisions
7:17on their own
7:18with regards to what they think about
7:22a person who
7:23would do something like that.
7:25It makes them
7:26makes them
7:28um
7:29think the worst because because that's
7:30all they have,
7:32you know, with
7:34Like I said, people
7:35are ready
7:37to latch onto something
7:39to see the good in someone,
7:42but
7:43I will tell you right now
7:45that a person who is trying to show the
7:48good in someone
7:49is not
7:51a prosecutor.
7:52It's not
7:53juries and judges and it's not me, okay?
7:57I can't I can't
8:00I can't paint I can paint the picture of
8:02what happened, how it happened, who did
8:04it, when it happened, what it was done
8:06with,
8:08but the picture I can't paint is why the
8:11hell it happened. And so, when I got to
8:12go back
8:14and tell family members why did this
8:16happen,
8:18then
8:19I I like to have to make that answer.
8:22They have that part of the work.
8:23the puzzle.
8:24We need to help people.
8:26I like to be able to tell
8:28your family
8:29why it happened.
8:31The The fact is is that it it's already
8:34happening. So, the only thing left now
8:37is to make make it better the way you
8:39can make it better.
8:41I tell people do something right. Do
8:43something right. You can't change the
8:45past. There's a family on this. There's
8:46nothing you can do about changing the
8:48past. All you can do
8:50is try to prove the future, okay? All
8:53you can do
8:54is try to make things better, okay?
8:58Um
8:59and make amends. You know, when when
9:02when I screw up and fight with my wife
9:05and say something that I regret,
9:08I can't undo the fact that I did that,
9:12that I hurt your feelings,
9:13okay?
9:14What I can do is I can
9:17explain to her why
9:20I snapped at her. I can explain to her
9:23that I'm sorry and I tell her that it's
9:25not going to happen again.
9:27Those are the things she wants to hear.
9:29Because she knows what I did. I What I
9:32The only thing that gets me out of it is
9:34I explain why.
9:36You know, we're we're looking at
9:38something here that's on a on a pretty
9:40large wide scale, Okay. Yeah. And you
9:42want to be on the on the bottom of that
9:44scale. And the only way you get on the
9:46bottom of that scale
9:48is is to start getting people in your
9:50corner,
9:51okay? And that starts
9:53right now.
9:54That's right now.
9:56To try to get people to Yeah, he was
9:59threatening my family, okay? Okay. I
10:02told you I was afraid of the guy. Right.
10:04Wow.
10:05You know, he said my junkie sister was,
10:08you know, saying his name too much and
10:11he was going to kill her and I, you
10:13know, we're close.
10:16I couldn't let that happen.
10:19But I didn't kill her. Okay, so what
10:21what what happened? Well, I mean, he
10:23told me to go in the house and get the
10:26stuff. I don't know when she got killed.
10:29I mean, like she was asleep. Okay. Um I
10:33mean, I don't know if he came back or
10:35what. Okay. Like Look.
10:41So So tell me this. Let me just walk me
10:43through it. So I would have never done
10:45this. I didn't didn't want my little
10:47sister dead.
10:49I I totally understand that.
10:51So walk me through this a little bit,
10:52okay?
10:54Walk me through
10:56Where did you go into the house?
10:59Uh he told me the back door was open.
11:01Okay.
11:03So you went in?
11:05Yeah, and I looked around and she was
11:08fast asleep. And so, I mean,
11:12like he kept saying he kept talking
11:14about like, you know, offing her and I
11:16was like, I'm not going to do that.
11:18And then I was like, I I was talking
11:21about like maybe using ether or
11:23something to to, you you know, an an
11:26anesthetizer, you know, so she wouldn't
11:28and he's like, "No, no, just off her." I
11:30was like, "I'm not going to do that."
11:32And so I just I snuck in and she was
11:34fast asleep.
11:36And Yeah, I I
11:38took her jewel Yeah, she had this big
11:40tall jewelry box. I emptied it into a
11:42pillowcase. Okay. Right? And then
11:47you know, what?
11:48Took it back, gave it to him, and he
11:51said that was what I had to do.
11:53Okay? I mean,
11:55So what So tell me I know there's
11:57something happened in there, okay? I
11:59know and I know that was your intent to
12:01get in there to quietly get in and
12:04quietly get out. And I did. She didn't
12:06wake up.
12:07>> But But something happened though,
12:09right? Because when you left, she wasn't
12:11still alive, okay?
12:13So we need to understand what happened,
12:16okay? Yeah, but I don't I don't know.
12:19That's the thing. She She was asleep
12:21when I was there. Okay. So
12:24she was asleep. So just this is walk
12:27through it, okay? So you came in. Let's
12:29just walk through
12:31the entire thing. You came in through
12:32where? Back door, you said?
12:34>> Yeah, it was open. Okay. Open mean
12:36unlocked?
12:37Yeah, okay.
12:39So and you walked in and where did you
12:41go? I just I looked around and kind of
12:44prowled and snuck through quietly and
12:47>> have a flashlight? No. What did you see
12:49in the house? Um just rooms and I just
12:52kind of looked through the rooms, you
12:54know, and I I turned on a couple lights
12:58um in rooms where I didn't see her.
13:00I found the room where she was and she
13:02was fast asleep. That was the room her
13:04jewelry box is in. Okay. And so I I
13:08opened the jewelry box, took the stuff
13:10out, put it in the the thing, and then I
13:14called him and said, "Okay,
13:17um
13:18I'm done."
13:20So I went out and then we went back and
13:24like I went to sleep.
13:26So I mean,
13:28like I don't know about my timing. Like
13:31maybe maybe he went back. I don't know.
13:34But I didn't kill her. Okay. So let's
13:38No, let's walk through cuz I want to I'm
13:40I'm interested to hear. And here's the
13:42thing, I think when you walked in there,
13:44it wasn't in your mind to kill her,
13:46okay?
13:47Um but I do know
13:50that at some point something happened
13:53and
13:54uh and
13:55uh
13:57and she died, okay? So
13:59>> I think he wanted her dead. He kept
14:01talking about how she had screwed over
14:04an ex-husband or something. Right. But
14:08and he kept telling me he wanted me to
14:09kill her, but I didn't. It's she didn't
14:12surprise me or anything like She never
14:14woke up. Right. So So let me let me
14:19let me walk through this here.
14:22Let's let's walk through the steps of
14:23what happened. You walked in the house
14:25to the back door.
14:27You walked in.
14:28You turned on some lights. What What did
14:30you see in the rooms when you turned on
14:31the lights? Just uh couple computers and
14:34beds and and I turned them back off.
14:37Okay. And so tell me about then you
14:42Okay, so then where did you go after you
14:44went in there?
14:45Um Well, I finally found the room where
14:48she was. Okay.
14:50>> And he told me that, you know, I'd have
14:53to kill her cuz she would be wearing the
14:55jewelry.
14:56But I could see her hands and there
14:58weren't any jewelry on her hands. Okay.
15:01So I was like, you know, I wasn't going
15:04to get it anyway. I was just going to
15:06take the stuff from the jewelry box and
15:08say that I got the stuff off her hands.
15:11You know, and
15:14I guess I don't know, maybe later he
15:16figured out, you know, that he didn't
15:19get everything
15:20that he wanted to get and maybe went
15:23back. I don't know. Well, let me let me
15:25just tell you this because
15:29because I know I know part of what
15:31you're saying
15:32is true, okay?
15:34But you're leaving out some important
15:36parts, okay? Cuz here's the thing.
15:39The things that you're describing Yeah.
15:41>> that you did
15:42we know
15:45were done after she died.
15:47Okay? We know that because
15:50there was blood.
15:51And blood was transferred onto all those
15:53things you just described. It was
15:55transferred onto the jewelry box.
15:57It was transferred onto the light
15:58switches. It was transferred onto that.
16:00So we know
16:03that you did those things after she
16:05died, okay? So let's talk about what
16:08happened, okay? We're there. We are we
16:10know Yeah, but don't you think that
16:13somebody else could have come back and
16:15done that afterwards? It's not possible
16:18and this is why. Because
16:20she was laying on the bed sleeping.
16:22She's not bleeding, okay?
16:25And
16:27on the all the things that you did
16:29afterwards you touched those things,
16:32okay?
16:33You touched those things
16:36with blood on your hands, okay? So
16:40what I want to do is move away from
16:43this notion, okay? That someone else did
16:46it because we know that that's not true,
16:48okay?
16:49We know
16:50that you did it, okay? We know that you
16:52caused her death.
16:54But what we need to do is understand
16:56why.
16:57What was the reason that Tim told you
17:01that he wanted you to go in there and
17:03and hurt in particular?
17:07He just said that was it.
17:10What he wanted.
17:12Right.
17:13And did he tell you
17:15Did he order you to kill her or did he
17:18just tell you to take the jewelry?
17:21No, he ordered me to kill her. Okay.
17:25And so and you were you were scared of
17:27him, right? Yes. You were scared of him.
17:30You went in and did what you were
17:31ordered to do.
17:34Right? I mean, it's not it's not really
17:37a point of
17:38saying that's not what happened.
17:40What I want to know
17:44I want to know
17:45You have a right to know. I understand.
17:49How it happened
17:50and why.
17:51Okay? And I want you to tell me.
17:54So I saw her sleeping in bed and then
17:56what happened?
18:03I know it's difficult.
18:05I don't want to say anymore. I know it's
18:07difficult, okay?
18:10You already said enough.
18:12We already know.
18:13We already knew before we came in here,
18:15okay?
18:17And we want to we want to hear you. We
18:19want to hear from you because
18:22right now we're still at the facts. So
18:24right now
18:25I know you you have trouble thinking
18:27about it, okay?
18:29You have trouble thinking about it.
18:32And so if you're having trouble thinking
18:34about it
18:35think about
18:37when other people are looking at it. It
18:38needs some explanation. We need to
18:41understand why.
18:43You need to take responsibility for what
18:44happened. Show that you show have
18:47remorse for what happened.
18:50And that you will
18:53not ever do it again. Okay? That's what
18:56people need to hear. That's what we need
18:58to hear.
19:01I
19:02So when you saw her there
19:04Listen.
19:07You already said enough. What In answer
19:09to your question
19:11it's not possible
19:13okay? That another person came in and
19:15did it.
19:16It is not possible that another person
19:18came in and did it.
19:20You were there.
19:23You saw her sleeping.
19:25Something happened.
19:26>> Yeah, but Something happened. What
19:28happened?
19:29If somebody came in
19:32>> [clears throat]
19:33>> and killed her
19:34and transferred blood onto the jewelry
19:37box and the the uh
19:40That That person The person who put That
19:42person was you, okay? So So it's not
19:44>> So why are you saying that person is me?
19:47Okay.
19:48Listen,
19:50Shawn. This point
19:52we know
19:54there's no doubt. Our investigations
19:56have already clearly shown us, all
19:59right, that you caused her death, all
20:01right? Based on what? Based on
20:04everything within our investigation.
20:06Which is what?
20:07>> Including including We're not going to
20:09go into all that. You you know what
20:11happened, okay?
20:12I I know what happened, all right? What
20:16we are offering you the opportunity to
20:18do is to explain why.
20:20Okay, to explain why
20:22before other people have to make
20:24decisions about what to do with you,
20:28okay?
20:29That's That's the opportunity we're
20:31giving you. And I would I would I would
20:33highly
20:35suggest that you take So, why do you
20:37refuse to tell me how you Where do you
20:41know
20:41>> Well, let's just talk Let's just talk
20:43about one thing, and we just talked
20:44about this.
20:46That blood was transferred by you
20:49onto those items.
20:51It was We have We We did not tell you
20:54that there's cameras, okay? That's why
20:56we knew exactly what time this happened.
20:58We know exactly where it happened, okay?
21:01So, we know
21:03We know that same camera that tells us
21:05us that you were the one who went down
21:06the street
21:08also tells us that someone else didn't
21:10come along and kill her after you left,
21:13okay? So, that's Could they not have
21:15come from a different angle?
21:18No. No.
21:20Listen,
21:21you're right now,
21:23you need to understand
21:25that
21:26that
21:27people have to understand why this
21:30happened.
21:31They have to understand
21:33because in a little while,
21:36at some point, people are going to make
21:38a decision.
21:40That decision is
21:43what
21:44how to What the consequences are for
21:46what happened, okay?
21:49And
21:50there's no question at all.
21:52There's no doubt, and just I'm telling
21:54you this is my professional opinion,
21:57and I've been doing this a long time,
21:59my professional opinion
22:01is that there's no doubt
22:03that you are the person
22:05who caused her death,
22:06okay?
22:07There's no doubt.
22:10And right now, what we need to do is we
22:13need to provide people who are going to
22:15make those decisions
22:18with the ability
22:19to decide
22:20a just response. So,
22:23one thing that we're understanding and
22:25you're telling us is that you're scared
22:27of him.
22:29That's one of the reasons,
22:30okay? That's the reason
22:32>> Well, I'm not so scared of Tim as I'm
22:34scared of him hurting my sister or my
22:36nephew.
22:37>> I understand.
22:38I mean, I'm so close to my sister. I
22:40don't know what I'd do if she died. I
22:42know. And but your sister
22:46I mean, I I visited with her yesterday,
22:48okay?
22:49I'm going to have I'm going to I'm going
22:51to, you know, at some point meet with
22:52her again. Yeah. And And she's going to
22:55ask me why this happened, all right?
22:57I need to explain a reason why. And on
23:01top of that,
23:03Cathy Blair's family
23:05is going to ask me
23:07why this happened,
23:09and I need to know why, okay? I need to
23:11explain. Just like you have a sister,
23:14okay?
23:16That you have responsibilities to, I
23:18have responsibility to the family
23:21of Cathy Blair.
23:23Her son is a naval
23:25naval officer,
23:27okay?
23:28And he wants to know what happened
23:32to his mother
23:33and why, okay?
23:35And we discussed already
23:38We discussed already
23:40the first
23:42thing that needs to be done
23:44is you need to take responsibility,
23:46okay? Before you can get to I'm
23:48remorseful, or you can get to
23:51I'll never
23:53I'll never do it again. It's a
23:54three-step program. It starts with the
23:57first step.
23:58The first step is accepting
24:00responsibility for it, for what
24:02happened,
24:03okay?
24:04So,
24:05I know that you're
24:06that you were scared for your sister,
24:08okay? I know
24:11that
24:12that Tim made you go in,
24:15okay?
24:18Now, you need to tell me what happened,
24:20all of it, what happened inside the
24:22okay?
24:23Because
24:24I will happily
24:26and gladly
24:28go in front of a jury
24:31or anyone else who's making a decision
24:32in this case,
24:33and I'm showing pictures of what
24:34happened,
24:35okay?
24:36I can tell them that way.
24:38And you can tell them your way.
24:41And they But they're going to know about
24:43it. There's There's no doubt about
24:46what happened.
24:47There's no doubt about who did it.
24:50The only question is
24:53why.
24:54Why? Why? And we need to know,
24:57okay?
24:59Shawn, we've spent a lot of time
25:00together,
25:01and
25:04I don't think you're a bad guy. I mean,
25:06I
25:07We've We have been sitting here,
25:10and I'm thinking to myself, you know,
25:11this is a guy who is a
25:14who's a decent guy. So, I I can't
25:16reconcile that, you know,
25:18with what I know
25:20but about the case.
25:23You have to explain it. People are going
25:24to paint you as a monster. You have to
25:26explain it.
25:28You have to explain.
25:34She woke up, she lunged at me,
25:38grabbed the knife, started trying to
25:40wrestle it out of my hand,
25:42and then it was a struggle,
25:45and I
25:48stabbed her in the neck. I I didn't even
25:50want to do it. I was just It was
25:54I was trying to get the jewelry without
25:56doing it, Right. and then she woke up,
25:59and and I had the knife out, you know,
26:03in case,
26:05but I
26:06I couldn't do it.
26:09You know, I
26:10I mean, he he said I had to.
26:13You know, Tim said I had to, or he he'd
26:15kill my sister or have her killed,
26:17right? So,
26:20but I I I was standing over her bed, and
26:23I just couldn't do it. But so, I started
26:26doing her jewelry, and she woke up, and
26:29she just was trying to fight the knife
26:31away from me, and I was trying to She
26:33She almost got it away from me. She got
26:35one of my gloves off, and and I I was
26:38just
26:39I
26:40I don't know what happened. I
26:42I just blacked out. It
26:45I mean, I I remember stabbing her in the
26:47neck after I got the knife back. I I
26:51just I I don't remember much else.
26:53>> And then what happened? There was a
26:54fight on the I know there was a fight on
26:56the bed, and then something happened
26:58after that. I
27:00Um did she get away from you? Did she
27:04What What happened? Well, I mean, she
27:06she fell off the bed. Okay. And what
27:09happened once she fell off the bed?
27:11I mean, she just said go away or
27:14something. Okay.
27:16And that was all, I mean. And what And
27:19what happened then?
27:20I don't know. I was just
27:24I just
27:25I mean, obviously, at that point, I
27:26mean,
27:27you had to finish the job, right? I
27:29mean, regardless of whether you wanted
27:31to do it or not, I mean, you had to
27:33finish.
27:34So,
27:36how did you finish the job?
27:39Well, I mean, I
27:41I I told you, I mean, I don't even
27:43remember. I don't After After the fight
27:46and the the first stab, I don't I don't
27:48remember a thing. So, in the first stab,
27:50how many times did you stab? Just Just
27:53once is all I remember is I I just
27:57I just blacked out. What What did you
28:00take from the house?
28:01Just Just the stuff from the jewelry
28:03box.
28:05Describe some of the pieces. Just rings
28:07and stuff. I wasn't even looking. I just
28:09dumped the drawers. I didn't care. I
28:11didn't want it. It was just what I was
28:14told to do. Where was the jewelry box in
28:17the room? It was right by the door.
28:20Okay. And where did you dump the
28:22drawers?
28:23Right right next to the jewelry box. And
28:27earlier, you said it was a white
28:28pillowcase.
28:29Where was that from?
28:31Um one of the other bedrooms.
28:35Okay.
28:36That was it. Just the jewelry out of the
28:38jewelry box is what you put in
28:40in the pillowcase?
28:41Yeah. Nothing else out of the house.
28:43I don't think so. Let me ask you one
28:46question,
28:47okay?
28:49Tim,
28:50where
28:53did
28:54Where was Tim at when this happened?
28:57He was in the car.
28:58So, he actually drove to the scene.
29:01Okay.
29:05And um
29:06did you drive or did he drive? He drove.
29:08Okay. And he waited for you?
29:11Did you call him once you were done?
29:13I think so. I don't remember. I I told
29:16you I I I swear I blacked out. I don't I
29:18don't
29:20It's important.
29:21So, it was the butterfly knife?
29:24Uh
29:25Or was it some other knife?
29:30Yeah, it was a butterfly knife.
29:32Where Where is it at now?
29:34He got rid of it.
29:36Do you know what he did with it?
29:39Mhm.
29:40How about the jewelry and the other
29:41stuff?
29:42I guess he fenced it. I don't know.
29:44And this would be really important, cuz
29:45we want to make sure we make a case on
29:47Tim.
29:48We have to make it We have to make a
29:50case on Tim. And And the way we we do it
29:53is we link that stuff to him.
29:55So, anything you can think of about how
29:56he got rid of it is going to really help
29:58us with that.
29:59He just He has fences.
30:03Do you know who? No. I mean, he wouldn't
30:05share that any of that information with
30:07me.
30:09What about the clothes you were wearing?
30:11Where did they end up?
30:12He
30:13um
30:14bagged them up and did got rid of them.
30:17Where Where did he get rid of them? I I
30:19don't know. He did it himself. Do you
30:21think he still has them?
30:23Maybe. I mean What about the shoes you
30:25were wearing? We got rid of those, too.
30:27What kind of shoes were you wearing?
30:29Um it was like shoes for crews. And
30:33whose And whose shoes were those? They
30:35were your They were mine. They were like
30:37waiter shoes. And where did you get them
30:39from? Like when I was working at
30:41Guido's. Okay. Did you buy them through
30:44the company or did you buy them directly
30:45from Shoes for Crews? How did that Uh
30:51I
30:51I don't remember cuz I I got one pair of
30:54shoes for crews when I was working at
30:56TGI Fridays.
30:57And I got another one later. So, I don't
31:00remember, but I mean Where Where did you
31:05What did you do with those shoes?
31:08He He took them, put them in a bag, and
31:10said he's going to get rid of them.
31:11That's all I know.
31:13Okay.
31:15What else can you remember? So, let me
31:17ask you this. You mentioned something
31:18about she and her ex-husband
31:20ex-husband
31:22had
31:23screwed him over.
31:25That's all he said. How?
31:28The ex-husband had screwed her over?
31:29>> No, she screwed him over is what
31:32he said. And this [clears throat] was
31:34Was this something that
31:36Tim wanted done because she was angry
31:38with her or was he
31:41It was something Tim wanted done.
31:44And he said, "You're going to get some
31:46good juju from this." Right.
31:49That's what he said told me afterwards.
31:51Okay.
31:52It almost made me sick.
31:55Well, I mean, the whole thing made me
31:56sick.
31:59So, did you have any communication with
32:02him about this? Like texts or anything
32:04like that that we might be able to
32:06retrieve that we can show that Tim was
32:08involved with this.
32:09Well, he doesn't text.
32:10>> He doesn't text.
32:12Okay.
32:14Um
32:15All right. Well, we'll continue to work
32:17the criminal I want to put a case on
32:18Tim. Tim's behind this whole thing.
32:22So, let's talk about Let's talk about
32:24Brentwood.
32:26Let's talk about that one.
32:27Brentwood or are you talking about the
32:29other one? The old people. Yeah. What
32:32about it? So, what happened on that one?
32:35I'm not involved. You're not involved in
32:37the Brentwood one? No.
32:39And who Who if if Tim is making people
32:43do this,
32:44who is who?
32:48Who would he
32:49make do that?
32:51I mean
32:55The only guess I would have
32:57uh off the top of my head is Alan.
33:02Alan? Kubala. Yeah. You know, because he
33:05probably owes him money for meth.
33:08You know, he he deals in meth.
33:11And he's probably He probably had the
33:13guy on credit.
33:15He probably said he was going to have
33:16him killed.
33:18He He's already told me he's going to
33:20have him killed.
33:22You know, he already said he was going
33:24to kill Alan. And you know,
33:27I don't know. He
33:30I I wasn't there at the Brentwood one. I
33:33mean, I may have
33:35I don't know whether or not we drove by
33:37it, but I I didn't
33:39do it.
33:41Okay. That's really important and the
33:43reason I say is because
33:45you know, I mean, I I think we
33:47understand We understand what the deal
33:48is. We understand that
33:51you're basically under the power of Tim.
33:54That's what's going on.
33:55So, you know, I mean, whether it was one
33:59or more, it doesn't really Yeah, but I
34:02mean, I'm I'm telling you
34:04>> Okay. No, I know, but you know, go back
34:05in mind. You told me that You told me a
34:07lot of stuff. I know, but I mean, I just
34:10Yeah.
34:11That was too much for me. That one.
34:15I mean, it wasn't I couldn't even do it
34:17until she attacked me.
34:19Right.
34:20And then I told him I couldn't do
34:22anymore, and he said, "Okay, just keep
34:25your mouth shut."
34:26And you know, we rode around, yeah, but
34:30I mean, I didn't do anything else.
34:33You know? And I mean, if you want to
34:34check my cell phone and say, "Was he
34:37there on the night that you know
34:40the Brentwood murder or whatever?"
34:42You're not going to find me there. I'm
34:44telling you I was at my hotel room
34:47trying to chill out.
34:49And
34:51Do you What do you
34:52What do you know about that murder?
34:54I don't know anything about it except
34:56that he told me about it. He said his
34:58girl picked it up on Facebook and wanted
35:01to go to the funeral.
35:04He didn't even act like he did it.
35:07He was just acting like it was news.
35:11But he said He said the heat was on
35:14because of it.
35:15He said that there were a bunch of cops
35:17everywhere because of it. That was why
35:19he told me about it. Okay.
35:24Um
35:32All right. Do you have any questions for
35:33me right now?
35:37What's going to happen to me?
35:39Well,
35:40we're going to decide, okay?
35:42Um
35:44So, you can just hang out for a few
35:46minutes here. We're going to
35:48um take a break. We'll probably come
35:50back in.
35:51Um we'll download your phone stuff and
35:53do all of that. Do you want Want some
35:55water?
35:57I Sure, I guess.
36:11Um
36:16What did What did you say there?
36:18They're at like 702
36:20Christian Street. Oh, 702 Christian
36:21Street.
36:22Probably the other one. Bless you.
36:25Oh.
36:26All right.
36:29Okay.
36:31All right.
36:34So, all right. So, this is
36:36um So, what we're going to do So, what
36:37we're going to need to do for right now
36:40is um
36:41we're going to place you under arrest
36:42for capital murder, okay? Based on
36:46the information provided us, okay?
36:49Um we'll present um formal charges here
36:52in the next uh in the next day.
36:55Um
36:56but we
36:58um
37:00you know, but at this point, you know, I
37:02don't feel that uh that we should
37:04we can really allow you to leave, okay?
37:07I think that what um that what you told
37:09me
37:10is important. I have an understanding
37:14what it of what happened, okay?
37:16We have an understanding of who you are
37:18and and and
37:21your relationship with Tim and how Tim
37:24kind of twisted you into doing this,
37:26okay?
37:27But
37:29what What I need to do right now
37:31is I'm going to uh
37:33I'm going to advise you of your rights,
37:35okay?
37:36And you can make a decision as to
37:37whether or not you want to continue to
37:38speak with me.
37:39You have the right to remain silent and
37:41not make any statement at all.
37:43Any statement you make may be used
37:44against you at your trial.
37:46Do you understand that?
37:48Any statement you make may be used as
37:50evidence against you in court. Do you
37:52understand that?
37:54You have the right to have a lawyer
37:55present to advise you prior to you and
37:57during any questioning. Do you
37:58understand that?
38:00If you're unable to employ a lawyer, you
38:02have the right to have a lawyer
38:03appointed to advise you prior to you and
38:05during any questioning. Do you
38:06understand that?
38:08You have the right to terminate this
38:09interview at any time. Do you understand
38:11that?
38:12Okay.
38:13Um
38:16Do you have any questions about those
38:18rights right there?
38:19Do you understand you don't have to
38:20speak to me and that you can stop speak
38:23If you decide to speak to me, you can
38:25stop speaking to me at any time. Okay.
38:28Um Do you wish to continue speaking with
38:30me?
38:32So, can I catch a cab out of that now,
38:34right?
38:35Not much.
38:36Um no. But I We just have to do that,
38:39you know,
38:40to to uh You might have some uh
38:42some more questions for you and stuff.
38:45Can you do me one favor and um
38:49this right here will be part of your
38:51statement. So, we can
38:55uh get you to sign and date it right
38:57here.
39:13What day is it? Uh it is right now the
39:1510th.
39:24Thank you.
39:25Uh one thing I'm going to do right now,
39:26just for my safety, I'm going to pat you
39:27down and make sure you don't have any
39:28weapons or anything like that on you.
39:30If you stand up for me.
39:32You can just leave your jacket right
39:33there. Just turn and face away from me.
39:36Okay. Put your hands on top of your
39:38head.
39:38There you go.
39:41You don't want your fingers together.
39:46Spread your feet apart just a little
39:47bit.
39:52I'm just going to remove that
39:54out of your front pocket real fast.
40:28Okay, you can have a seat right there.
40:30So, you check your back pocket.
40:40Do you have any items that were taken
40:41from Kathy Blair's house?
40:43No.
40:46I didn't want anything to do with any of
40:48this. Okay.
40:50Did you uh
40:53Did you take anything besides jewelry?
40:56Not that I know of.
40:58Did you take any uh
41:02um
41:05credit cards, purses, identification?
41:14I don't think so.
41:27It's all hazy.
41:33What's that?
41:34It's all hazy.
41:52I don't remember.
42:02What's Tim been saying to you ever since
42:04this?
42:07He yells at me. Were you planning on
42:08going back there?
42:12I don't know.
42:15I I don't think so. I mean, Melody's in
42:18jail now.
42:21You know, I'm still friends with Dylan.
42:29And I don't want anything to do with
42:31this stuff.
42:32>> What? So, you said um that she said
42:34something about she did something to a
42:36an ex-husband or something? That's what
42:38he said. Did he know the ex-husband? I
42:41guess.
42:42What did he say she did to him?
42:45Something about the divorce.
42:59What?
43:02What else did he tell you?
43:05That was it.
43:08He really didn't tell me much.
43:11Who did he tell you to expect in the
43:12house?
43:13Just her.
43:16What about the other house?
43:19I wasn't in the other house.
43:21Oh, you weren't? No.
43:32Who went in that one, do you know?
43:36He asked me that already. I said maybe
43:38it was Alan.
43:40Cuz maybe they you know, he probably
43:42owes him meth money.
43:46You know, he's a meth head.
43:49Maybe he's been buying meth on credit
43:52and [ __ ] from him.
43:55I mean, you're not going to find my
43:56phone around there.
44:03Did he tell you to call him when you
44:05were ready?
44:06Uh yeah. He told you that? I Or you did
44:10it on your own?
44:11I think he told me that.
44:14It's going to be important.
44:17It's going to be important to know.
44:18How's that important?
44:21It's going to be important to know that
44:22he's the one that gave you that
44:23instruction or not.
44:27Um
44:29I'm pretty sure he did.
44:34Then what So, what was the plan then?
44:38Was he going to Were you going back to
44:40him? Was he coming over to get you?
44:43I was just supposed to walk to him.
44:46Then why walk to him?
44:49I don't know.
44:53I guess
44:55I don't remember.
44:58I really don't.
45:00I believe you.
45:02But sometimes
45:05when you're
45:07I guess when you're asked to remember
45:10or you actually think about it,
45:12sometimes then you do remember. That's
45:14why I'm asking you.
45:16I don't.
45:35So, hey
45:37what did Tim tell you about the other
45:38one?
45:40He just mentioned it like it was a news
45:42story.
45:44He said that, you know, there was a lot
45:46of heat in town because of it.
45:48That was on the
45:50you know, 21st or whatever. Mhm.
45:55But you
45:56You knew better
45:58than for him to think it was just a news
46:00story though, right? Cuz of what
46:01happened before.
46:03I had my suspicions.
46:06But I mean, what was I going to do about
46:08it? Okay.
46:11Any chance that this uh
46:14Kathy Blair's family's going to get any
46:16of
46:17her stuff back?
46:20I doubt it. I mean, I don't know. I
46:23don't know what he does with this stuff.
46:25>> You don't know where to look for it?
46:27>> [clears throat]
46:27>> I would have no idea. I'm not involved
46:29with his operation. He just
46:32Didn't get to keep any of it? No, he
46:34didn't give me anything. I got nothing.
46:36He just threatened my sister.
46:39He said my junkie sister got his, you
46:42know,
46:44nephew on meth and he was going to kill
46:46her if I didn't, you know, do this.
46:50And I just
46:56I didn't get anything. I don't have
46:58anything of hers.
47:00I don't know where it is. I don't know
47:02how he does his thing. Mhm.
47:05I'm
47:09You're going to have to ask him where he
47:11fenced it.
47:16Do you remember him mentioning any
47:17names? No.
47:26The big dog, nothing nothing about the
47:28big dog guy?
47:30Well, I mean, the big dog guy was in the
47:32drug context.
47:35Did you ever meet him? No. Never did?
47:41I'm sorry about your
47:45>> [cough]
47:52>> Here, you want to take that? Yeah.
48:00Well, I thank you for for being honest
48:02with me about what happened.
48:05It does mean a lot to me that you're
48:06honest.
48:07It seems odd, but it does mean a lot to
48:09me that
48:10that you were
48:12I think it says a lot about you that you
48:14you take, you know, take responsibility.
48:16Well, I don't
48:20I wish this all had never happened. I
48:22wish my sister never met these people so
48:25that
48:27I was just trying to help my sister.
48:30Right.
48:32And I I couldn't let him kill her.
48:36I completely understand. I mean, I I I
48:38believe you. I mean, I think that
48:40we would all do anything to protect our
48:42family.
48:44And that's what you were doing.
48:50Um
48:51I'm curious though
48:53on
48:55on the Brentwood thing.
48:57I'm just
48:59um
49:02And I know it's it's one of it's one of
49:04Parton's things, you know.
49:07Yeah, just like this one. It I'm sure it
49:10is, but I wasn't involved.
49:13Would Would you tell me if you were?
49:16I would at this point. What's the
49:18difference? Yeah, it really doesn't make
49:20much difference.
49:23Um
49:24Another thing that may make a difference
49:26is if you uh
49:28you know, I mean, if you were involved
49:30with that and then you know, were not
49:33saying that, then
49:35you know, again, that looks kind of bad,
49:37you know, and that's that's the main
49:39>> So thing. I mean, I I realize
49:43that
49:45you know, you don't want to
49:48you know, say, "Oh, you know, this is
49:51you know, you don't want to look bad.
49:53You know, it's embarrassing."
49:55But we understand the situation. We
49:56understand what it is with Parland, you
49:58know, what and then you know,
50:00he This guy's been conning since '93.
50:04That's what I was telling you. It's like
50:05that's what he does. He is
50:08He gets people
50:10to do his dirty work so he doesn't have
50:12to do it.
50:14You know, and I and I
50:16and I really want to make sure that he
50:18pays for it. You know what I mean? That
50:19he pays the price for what happened. I
50:22realize,
50:23you know, there's going to be
50:26consequences, you know, for you and you
50:28have to take responsibility.
50:30But he is the guy that I think I mean,
50:32he's the mastermind. The whole thing.
50:35He's a bully.
50:37Thinks he's some sort of mafia don. And
50:39he's just
50:41disgusting, toothless guy. You know what
50:43I mean?
50:45And
50:47you know, so
50:49So to me it's really important to make
50:51sure because I think, you know,
50:54I think the thing that really that
50:56really gets him is that he's not just
50:58doing this one time, you know. We see it
51:00over and over and over.
51:02He's not just doing it one time even
51:04with you. You know what I mean?
51:07You know, he is
51:09getting you to do this stuff
51:12and you know,
51:14because
51:16this is the thing.
51:18What he's doing
51:20is basically just
51:23And I seen this lots of times before
51:25where
51:26somebody comes in and gets somebody else
51:28to do their stuff and then leaves them
51:30for it.
51:32I had this guy one time that's like,
51:34"Here I got a guy who's got a history
51:37of getting other people to do his dirty
51:39work and then him not paying the price
51:40for it.
51:42So I want to make sure that he pays the
51:44price for the stuff that he did.
51:46So I need to know about all of the stuff
51:48that he did.
51:50I know that he was involved with
51:52Brentwood, okay?
51:54And so
51:56and I know that and and this is the
51:58investigation is not as far along as
52:01this investigation
52:02that we're doing
52:04with Kevin Parland.
52:06But I know it's it's all going to come
52:08out in the end.
52:09The same way I'm going to know
52:11exactly who did it and and how it
52:14happened.
52:15So what I believe is that that you did
52:18it just like
52:19just like this case.
52:22Under pressure from from Tim to
52:26you know, force you to continue doing
52:28this [ __ ]
52:30that he is trying to get you to do, you
52:32know.
52:33So
52:34and I and I realize again this is
52:36definitely embarrassing for you
52:39because sometimes we do things out of
52:41desperation to save our families,
52:44save ourselves
52:47that we wouldn't ordinarily do.
52:49And I don't I don't want you to be
52:50defined
52:52by that. I don't want you to be defined
52:54by
52:56the
53:00by something you did in a moment of
53:01weakness, you know, as opposed to
53:06you know,
53:07I you know, I get the deal. I understand
53:09what it is.
53:11You know, I don't think you're a cold
53:12and calculating,
53:14you know, person who's trying to
53:17you know,
53:19harm people.
53:21What you are is you're somebody who's
53:23under the spell of a guy who's like a
53:24Charles Manson, you know.
53:26Guy who is just
53:28one part
53:30like personality, persuasiveness
53:34and 10 parts bully. He's more of a
53:37bully, you know, than Charles Manson.
53:40Charles Manson is more of a you know,
53:42charismatic.
53:45And I I I you know, I think that Parland
53:47has charisma in his own way cuz he's a
53:50big talker, you know, big BS-er.
53:53But he doesn't
53:56you know, but he's more of a bully. You
53:59know, he uses threats. He uses all of
54:00that.
54:02So
54:03I need to know I need to know what
54:05happened on Brentwood. I need to know
54:07what it is
54:09that
54:10happened
54:11because I know
54:13one of the things I know
54:15from both scenes and I saw it
54:16immediately when I went there
54:19is it was done by the same person, you
54:21know.
54:22So it's So you know, so that's why it's
54:26what you know, it's what makes you think
54:28that? Well, there's a lot of different
54:31things, you know, and a lot of it
54:33you know, goes into you know, just
54:35experience and stuff. But in terms of
54:38how the method were done, you know, the
54:40methods of how it were done
54:42or how it was done, things that were
54:44taken,
54:46you know, the things that
54:48the people that were done or not done
54:50inside the house, just things like that,
54:52you know, with years of experience you
54:53can look at.
54:54And also
54:56inescapably,
54:58they're both
55:00they're both linked to Kevin Parland.
55:03So that's that's really, you know, a
55:05huge thing right there. But as
55:09you know, I continue to perfect that
55:10case,
55:12you know, I'll be I'll be able to show
55:13for sure.
55:15But
55:16I think this is something
55:18right now
55:20I I want to I want to put on Parland
55:23really bad, you know.
55:25I really want to nail this guy.
55:28I want to show
55:30>> [clears throat]
55:30>> that he is guy who's not just one time,
55:33one-off, you know,
55:35but it's just repeatedly for whatever
55:36reasons
55:38is doing this is is making you do this,
55:42you know. I don't I don't know why what
55:44his motivation is for this.
55:47But I think it's really important that
55:48we understand it, you know, that I
55:50understand it so I can
55:51do what needs to be done.
55:54So I can I can make sure that I put a
55:56case on him
55:58cuz he's an evil person,
56:00you know.
56:02An evil person.
56:04So
56:06you know, [clears throat] Brentwood
56:07things is a little more
56:09a little more complicated. I think, you
56:10know, in in those cases, you know, this
56:12is something that really needs an
56:13explanation.
56:14I think we really need to understand why
56:17it is this happened,
56:19you know, what it is
56:21that
56:22Parland told you.
56:24I want to know why Parland chose you.
56:26What is it
56:27that he decided
56:30was I don't know and I'm done talking.
56:33No,
56:34you don't want to continue you know, you
56:35don't want to continue to cooperate.
56:37Clear yourself. I don't really want to
56:39continue talking. Okay. Do you want to
56:42terminate the interview?
56:44You know, I'll leave and go back to
56:45Austin
56:46if that's what you want. I guess. So
56:49yeah, you want to terminate the
56:50interview?
56:53Sure. Okay.
57:00Well, I'd like you to stay here. Um
57:03I'd like you to do
57:05what you're thinking about. Okay.
57:07You know what we talked about. Okay.
57:11I'll You know how to You know how to get
57:13a hold of me. It's really easy.
57:15Detective Israel with APD Homicide,
57:17okay?
57:19But I need to know what happened on
57:20Brentwood, okay?
57:22Because that is in the mix as well,
57:24okay?
57:29And unfortunately, you're the only guy
57:30who can really tell me about it.
57:42After the interrogation, Shawn [music]
57:44Gant Ben Alcazar was charged with
57:46capital murder in the death of Kathy
57:47Blair, accused of killing her during a
57:50burglary inside her home.
57:52Prosecutors determined that he did not
57:54act alone.
57:55Timothy Parland was [music] identified
57:56as an accomplice who helped plan the
57:58burglaries and drove Gant Ben Alcazar to
58:01multiple locations.
58:03Under Texas law, [music] Parland was
58:04charged as a party to the offense and
58:06was later convicted of capital murder,
58:08receiving a sentence [music] of life in
58:10prison without the possibility of
58:11parole.
58:13In 2018, Gant Ben Alcazar's first jury
58:16trial ended in a mistrial [music] when
58:18jurors were unable to reach a unanimous
58:20verdict.
58:21Later that year, he was retried,
58:23convicted of capital murder and
58:24sentenced to life in prison without the
58:26possibility of parole,
58:28the mandatory punishment when the death
58:29penalty is [music] not sought. His
58:31conviction was later upheld on appeal.
58:33He remains incarcerated in the Texas
58:35Department [music] of Criminal Justice,
58:37serving a life sentence without parole.
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