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1. 0:00guest is somebody that doesn't need an
2. 0:01introduction, but I'm going to do my
3. 0:02best because it took all of these cards
4. 0:04to do proper research. Please welcome to
5. 0:06the show, a political I think she's a
6. 0:09strategist because she knows how to get
7. 0:10the Instagram and social media going,
8. 0:12but she's also a national bestselling
9. 0:14author and she has her own podcast
10. 0:16that's doing numbers. Please welcome
11. 0:17Candace. You and I, one thing that we
12. 0:19have in common, well, two is we're
13. 0:21black. You are black.
14. 0:23>> Okay. And two, and two, we say whatever
15. 0:26we want and whatever we think. And
16. 0:28that's not always the most popular
17. 0:29thing.
18. 0:30>> Yeah. Some It's actually never the most
19. 0:32popular thing if you're saying the
20. 0:33truth. It's never very popular, I
21. 0:35realize.
22. 0:35>> Yeah. And so, you know, on the Jason Lee
23. 0:37show, this is not a show where we cast
24. 0:39judgment. We interview guests. We try to
25. 0:41share their story, share, explore where
26. 0:43they think. Um, you're probably the only
27. 0:45guest I've ever had on my show that I
28. 0:47have probably a lot of opposite opinions
29. 0:49about. So, this is going to be a very
30. 0:50interesting conversation. But, I will
31. 0:51say in preparation today, I shared with
32. 0:53a couple friends, you know, oh, who's on
33. 0:54the show this week? Oh, I'm interviewing
34. 0:56Kenneth Owens. And interestingly, I
35. 0:58think the reaction about you is
36. 1:00changing. And I don't know why or where
37. 1:02that's coming from. Uh because a lot of
38. 1:04people who I thought were going to say I
39. 1:05don't like her were actually saying
40. 1:07she's interesting these days.
41. 1:09>> Why is something happening?
42. 1:11>> Something is happening. There's
43. 1:12something in the water. Right. There's
44. 1:14something in the water. No. Yeah, you're
45. 1:15definitely right. We've noticed that too
46. 1:16on our show, which I think what happened
47. 1:19was I got fired. I think that's probably
48. 1:22from the day of the wire.
49. 1:24>> Yeah. I got fired. And then what happens
50. 1:26is you don't have any guardrails and you
51. 1:28can just be more of yourself. So there's
52. 1:30a lot of things that like and this isn't
53. 1:31the shop at Daily Wire. I mean there's a
54. 1:33lot of things that I wanted to do and
55. 1:34projects that I wanted to explore. When
56. 1:36you're working for somebody else, you
57. 1:37can't do that. And you're also not in
58. 1:39control of however they're running their
59. 1:41PR, right? And so I don't think that
60. 1:44people were and it was it was a
61. 1:46different time too like BLM was when I
62. 1:48first got started was going on. So I
63. 1:49think people were also more mesmerized
64. 1:51by movements and really when they got to
65. 1:54know me it was always through the lens
66. 1:55of the media and now because of certain
67. 1:57things that I've done they maybe watched
68. 1:59my show because they were interested in
69. 2:01something that I had to say about like
70. 2:02the Blake Lively case or the Breit
71. 2:03Mcronone case and then they heard what I
72. 2:05had to say about something else and
73. 2:07they're actually going directly to the
74. 2:08source. And when you go directly to the
75. 2:10source you're kind of like oh wait why
76. 2:12did the media that's not what she said
77. 2:13like she said that but you're missing
78. 2:15some very important context. So, I think
79. 2:17people are just kind of getting directly
80. 2:19to me.
81. 2:20>> Well, I think the other thing too is we
82. 2:21do live in a lazy clip-based world where
83. 2:23people just see a clip and that's it.
84. 2:25Right. You have a lot of clips though.
85. 2:26So, like me cuz when people say, "Oh,
86. 2:29he's messy." I'm not a messy person.
87. 2:31However, I'm not.
88. 2:32>> I think you're messy.
89. 2:33>> You think so?
90. 2:34>> I think you're messy. Vibes. I think
91. 2:36he's messy.
92. 2:36>> You do not think I'm messy. Let me tell
93. 2:38you, sometimes my job is messy. You
94. 2:40know, a janitor can't complain that he
95. 2:42has to come and clean up [ __ ] Like,
96. 2:43there's [ __ ] You got to clean it up.
97. 2:45You're a janitor. Well, I feel like I'm
98. 2:46a janitor sometimes for the internet,
99. 2:48but I found myself probably like you in
100. 2:50some instances where a clip people will
101. 2:52see clips and then that clip is the
102. 2:53totality of who I am. Whereas I have
103. 2:55been watching more of your content to
104. 2:57just see, you know, am I being becoming
105. 2:59a product of my own experience with you.
106. 3:02Um, and and I'm still looking because
107. 3:04there's a lot out there. But I want I'm
108. 3:05glad you came today because unlike Sexy
109. 3:07Red or Megan the Stallion, they didn't
110. 3:09have the courage to show up, but you
111. 3:10did.
112. 3:11>> Yeah. Why? They didn't show up. Did you
113. 3:13write them
114. 3:13>> booked in everything and just didn't
115. 3:14come? didn't even show like terrified I
116. 3:16think.
117. 3:17>> What? That surprises me. Especially for
118. 3:19sexy red.
119. 3:20>> Why?
120. 3:20>> I don't know. I just feel like if you
121. 3:22are willing to get naked on camera, why
122. 3:24wouldn't you sit down for a conversation
123. 3:25on camera? I feel like the other thing
124. 3:26is a little more terrifying for a lot of
125. 3:28people.
126. 3:28>> Her pussy's pink and her booty hole is
127. 3:30brown.
128. 3:30>> But she won't come on the show. But
129. 3:32anyway, um Okay. Well, welcome to the
130. 3:34show. Okay. So, let's start with the
131. 3:36Daily Wire. So, when you were over at
132. 3:37the Daily Wire now be Wait, no. Before
133. 3:40the Daily Wire, you were a Democrat?
134. 3:42>> No, that's one of Democrats. I've never
135. 3:44voted Democrat my entire life. I just
136. 3:46was I always say I was liberal because I
137. 3:48just thought I had to be liberal. And so
138. 3:49if I had voted I wasn't really
139. 3:51politically inclined. I would have voted
140. 3:52for Democrats and I definitely cried the
141. 3:54night Barack Obama won. So people have
142. 3:56taken that and been like oh she switched
143. 3:58up for the money and I'm like because I
144. 3:59didn't even vote. I didn't grow up in a
145. 4:00family that was we were discussing
146. 4:02politics at the dinner table. You know
147. 4:04>> you weren't a Democrat but you you you
148. 4:05skewed liberal. You okay
149. 4:06>> for sure. I'm from grew up born in New
150. 4:08York raised in Connecticut. these are
151. 4:10blue cities and I think most people when
152. 4:12they're younger are liberal skew to the
153. 4:14left so I don't think any of that was
154. 4:15unusual. Um the first time I ever voted
155. 4:17I voted Republican so I will be a
156. 4:18lifelong Republican if you know I
157. 4:20shouldn't say that cuz who knows who the
158. 4:22people are that are running but yeah
159. 4:23I've never voted Democrat.
160. 4:24>> So when you were a liberal what h how
161. 4:26what what issues did you believe in
162. 4:28then?
163. 4:28>> Uh feminism for sure until I took a
164. 4:31feminism class I probably was uh I
165. 4:34definitely was way more at the when I
166. 4:36grew up it was just LGBT. So that's it's
167. 4:38a it was a different time. I don't mean
168. 4:39to make myself sound like a dinosaur.
169. 4:40You're not that old, but we didn't have
170. 4:41LGBTQIA plus WMZ RS. So, it was it was
171. 4:46just LGB and I was supportive of that.
172. 4:49So, it was like all of these issues on
173. 4:51the social issues. I was I was
174. 4:53definitely I would say left-leaning and
175. 4:56but I would think I would have always
176. 4:57been a fiscal conservative. Like I I
177. 4:58don't think he would have gotten me to
178. 4:59thinking that we should be paying for
179. 5:00people to have abortions and all things
180. 5:02of that nature. I was also pro-choice.
181. 5:04>> I definitely pro-choice. I'm not
182. 5:06anymore. As a liberal, I was Yeah. So
183. 5:08now I'm pro-life. So that's something
184. 5:09that's changed pretty dramatically, I
185. 5:11would say.
186. 5:11>> Okay. So let's go back to the days where
187. 5:13there was LGBT. Do you I mean LGBT,
188. 5:16>> but you're 35,
189. 5:18>> so I'm 47. There were definitely trans
190. 5:20back when I was a six-year-old cuz I met
191. 5:22one, but we didn't know what trans was.
192. 5:24I mean, you know, over the evolution cuz
193. 5:25I'm I'm definitely in the LGB, you know
194. 5:27that.
195. 5:27>> I I I mean, yeah.
196. 5:29>> Don't play with me. Lil Booy was
197. 5:31literally sitting right there. Breaking
198. 5:32news.
199. 5:33>> Lil Booy. Well, Lil Booy was actually
200. 5:35sitting right there where he said he
201. 5:36knew I was gay the whole time. I said,
202. 5:37"Well, I think I pass as gay." But
203. 5:39anyway, LGBT, there was always tea. I
204. 5:41think people just weren't exposed to it.
205. 5:43Were you You weren't exposed to
206. 5:44transsexuals in Connecticut.
207. 5:45>> Um, okay. So, I would say that even
208. 5:49that's changed. Like, there used to be a
209. 5:51difference between people that like to
210. 5:53dress up and people that wanted to like
211. 5:54get procedures to become something else.
212. 5:56Like, I don't I did not know anybody
213. 5:57that was like down with like I want to
214. 5:59get boobs and get surgery and get my
215. 6:02parts removed and identify. No, I
216. 6:03definitely didn't grow up with any of
217. 6:04that. So, let me ask you.
218. 6:06>> I would have thought like drag queens
219. 6:07were
220. 6:08>> there were drag queens. I mean, I met
221. 6:09Sparkle at the age of six.
222. 6:10>> Yeah.
223. 6:11>> Bad bad drag queen.
224. 6:13>> That's crazy.
225. 6:13>> So, now that you now that we live in a
226. 6:15world where transsexual is a thing, what
227. 6:17is your opposition to it? Like, why do
228. 6:18you care if somebody has a penis or not
229. 6:20or boobs or not?
230. 6:21>> Well, my biggest opposition to it, just
231. 6:22to start, would be this insistence that
232. 6:25we allow children to think that they can
233. 6:27pick and choose their genders. That's
234. 6:29definitely a psychosis. Like, this was
235. 6:31not a thing. People were not struggling
236. 6:32in kindergarten. And we were not arguing
237. 6:34about bathrooms. Like this is all just
238. 6:36made up. The majority of the bathrooms
239. 6:37we were growing up didn't even say male
240. 6:38or female. Like when you were on the
241. 6:39plane right now, it just says bathroom.
242. 6:41And now they are like demanding spaces
243. 6:43and things of that nature which tells
244. 6:44you that it's like it's a social
245. 6:46phenomenon. It's not actually something
246. 6:47that's real because you can't just snap
247. 6:48your fingers and tell me that now this
248. 6:50problem is everywhere and it just didn't
249. 6:51exist in the '9s. So the biggest issue
250. 6:54just just
251. 6:55>> in terms of the evolution of rights and
252. 6:56all that.
253. 6:56>> Yeah. I I wouldn't call it an evolution.
254. 6:58I probably called it it's I think we've
255. 7:00devolved in many ways because people
256. 7:01don't like they just can't answer basic
257. 7:03questions like what is a woman? That's
258. 7:04pretty stupid, right? Um that's actually
259. 7:07really stupid and now some like I don't
260. 7:09know.
261. 7:10>> But don't you think that don't you think
262. 7:11some would argue that I mean I know
263. 7:12people hate to There's so much you just
264. 7:14said that we have to unpack. But I'm
265. 7:15going to just go back to this. Don't you
266. 7:16think that there's people that would say
267. 7:17that about us as black people that there
268. 7:19was a time where we weren't sitting at
269. 7:20the same counters. We weren't using the
270. 7:21same bathrooms. We weren't able to go in
271. 7:22the same doors. We didn't have the same
272. 7:23rights. We were seen as less than human.
273. 7:25Uh I mean I think
274. 7:26>> it's not about less than human. I just
275. 7:27don't think they exist. Like you you
276. 7:28>> No, I'm saying in terms of black people.
277. 7:30>> Well, you're talking about to right now
278. 7:31you're conflating being being black,
279. 7:33which is like obviously you're born
280. 7:34black. You know what I mean? That's not
281. 7:35something that you I have to basically
282. 7:38try to convince you that like no, no,
283. 7:39no. This is real. This person look at
284. 7:40the color of the screen. It's like yeah,
285. 7:41obviously we have different races. It's
286. 7:43very obvious this person is black. On
287. 7:45the trans stuff, you're asking me to be
288. 7:46crazy. You're asking me to look at a
289. 7:48grown man and imagine that he's actually
290. 7:50a woman and that if he goes and gets
291. 7:52work done, then he magically becomes a
292. 7:53woman. So, it's insanity. And I
293. 7:55definitely let's not let's not conflate
294. 7:57it with being black. Otherwise, you'd
295. 7:58have to defend Rachel Bazel.
296. 8:00>> Well, there's no Well, there's no
297. 8:02defending crazy. That's crazy. But Hold
298. 8:04on, hold on, hold on. Because she was a
299. 8:05white woman that says she was black.
300. 8:06>> Yeah, that's a man saying he's black.
301. 8:07>> But let's back up. I don't think that
302. 8:09anybody grows up wanting to be
303. 8:11discriminated against, wanting to have
304. 8:13feelings or wanting to have identifi
305. 8:14identity where they know they're going
306. 8:16to bring that type of adverse reaction.
307. 8:18Do would you think gay people grow up
308. 8:20gay or born gay or that's an evolution?
309. 8:22Genuinely, I just am trying to get you
310. 8:24pinned down here on how you can say that
311. 8:27but not acknowledge if Rachel Doll is if
312. 8:29we're talking about the trans issue.
313. 8:30She's transracial. So, give her respect.
314. 8:32Put respect on her.
315. 8:33>> Explain to me how
316. 8:34>> because on the inside she felt black.
317. 8:35She was dressing like she was black. She
318. 8:37was making her skin darker like she was
319. 8:38black. She was standing for the black
320. 8:40cause. She was working for the NAACP.
321. 8:42Just happened to be that she was, you
322. 8:43know, for a white girl with blonde hair
323. 8:44and freckles. And it only became
324. 8:46problematic when somebody exposed it and
325. 8:47people said, "No, you can't just be
326. 8:48black." Why not? If you're going to if
327. 8:50you're going to say that a man can just
328. 8:52be a woman, why can't Rachel just be
329. 8:53black? You got to be consistent.
330. 8:55>> Because she's white.
331. 8:56>> Okay. Because it's a man.
332. 8:57>> No, but hold on.
333. 8:59>> I get it. You know, I'm right.
334. 9:01>> No, no. I I don't agree. And this is not
335. 9:03a matter of right or wrong. Hold on.
336. 9:04Hold on. This one is Let me let me tell
337. 9:06you
338. 9:07>> two truths. One thing can be true,
339. 9:09right? Two things can be true. You can
340. 9:10put a lipstick on a pig and it can still
341. 9:12be a pig. You can call it whatever you
342. 9:13want. You can call it bacon. You can
343. 9:14call it a a side a side meal. It's still
344. 9:17a pig. So, I'm not I'm not saying right
345. 9:19or wrong. And we're too early into the
346. 9:21conversation to get into who's right or
347. 9:22wrong because there's a lot to get into.
348. 9:24But it's a matter of perception, a
349. 9:25matter of experience. Like, I can't tell
350. 9:27you what it's like to be a black woman.
351. 9:28You can't tell me what it's like to be a
352. 9:29black man. You can't tell me what how it
353. 9:30feels to be biracial. You can't tell me
354. 9:32how it feels to be gay. I can't tell you
355. 9:33how it feels to be straight. Um because
356. 9:34we all have our own lived experiences. I
357. 9:36guess what I'm trying to unpack is why
358. 9:38you believe the transsexual experience
359. 9:41is not one that deserves to be valid.
360. 9:43>> Yeah. I'm similarly trying to unpack why
361. 9:44you don't believe Rachel Doles's lived
362. 9:46experience is one that should
363. 9:47>> No, I do. I I I understand. And that's
364. 9:49the conflation where you're trying to
365. 9:50unpack one topic by putting up another.
366. 9:53But but we can't we can't ask why a
367. 9:55rhinoceros isn't an elephant. We're
368. 9:57talking about an elephant. And the
369. 9:58elephant in the room is that you have a
370. 9:59skewed perception in my opinion about a
371. 10:02transsexual experience. And I'm simply
372. 10:03asking why do you feel like it doesn't
373. 10:05deserve to be validated if that's how
374. 10:07the person feels? Because you know what
375. 10:08you guys do? And I'm going to say you
376. 10:09guys that have these strong opinions.
377. 10:10>> That's why I just got one person sitting
378. 10:11here.
379. 10:11>> No, these strong opinions. No, it's
380. 10:12people that you represent cuz you have
381. 10:14very strong opinions and what happens
382. 10:15when it comes to the LGBT community is
383. 10:18you'll conflate um pedophilia by using
384. 10:20children and gay which are two different
385. 10:22things.
386. 10:23>> We're your I'm not conflating here. Your
387. 10:25argument is that if someone who is not
388. 10:27clearly being born with a penis as
389. 10:29example decides that in their lived
390. 10:31experience actually know they should
391. 10:32have had a vagina and so they're going
392. 10:34to start living like they have a vagina
393. 10:35and getting cosmetic procedures like
394. 10:37they have a vagina that suddenly I
395. 10:38should respect that. I'm saying, "Okay,
396. 10:40keep it consistent and say the exact
397. 10:42same thing about Rachel." And you you
398. 10:44hesitate there for some reason. You
399. 10:45don't want to do that. And so I say she
400. 10:46was crazy.
401. 10:47>> Exactly. So you have to keep it
402. 10:48ideologically consistent. That's all I'm
403. 10:50saying. But I'm saying to you, I'm
404. 10:51consistent. Rachel is not a black woman.
405. 10:54>> And a trans person can't just wake up
406. 10:56one day and decide to be a woman. A man
407. 10:58can't wake up one day and decide to be a
408. 10:59woman because of lived experience. I'm
409. 11:00sorry that I'm consistent, you know, but
410. 11:02you have to figure out why you're not.
411. 11:03>> No. Michael Jackson would be a better
412. 11:05explanation because he was actually born
413. 11:07your color and died a little lighter
414. 11:09than me. So that's different. Michael
415. 11:10Jackson a black man.
416. 11:12>> No, of I agree with that. That's why I'm
417. 11:14saying the difference though in terms of
418. 11:16Rachel Do. She's a white woman that
419. 11:18decided that she was going to be black.
420. 11:20Wait, no, they're not. You can't tell me
421. 11:22what how it feels to be biracial. You
422. 11:23can't tell me how it feels to be gay. I
423. 11:25can't tell you how it feels to be
424. 11:25straight. Um because we all have our own
425. 11:27lived experiences. I guess what I'm
426. 11:29trying to unpack is why you believe the
427. 11:32transsexual
428. 11:33experience is not one that deserves to
429. 11:35be validated.
430. 11:36>> Yeah. And I'm similarly trying to unpack
431. 11:37why you don't believe Rachel Dozo's
432. 11:39lived experience is one that should
433. 11:41>> No, I do. I I I understand. And that's
434. 11:43the conflation where you're trying to
435. 11:45unpack one topic by putting up another.
436. 11:48But but we can't we can't ask why a
437. 11:50rhinoceros isn't an elephant. We're
438. 11:52talking about an elephant. And the
439. 11:53elephant in the room is that you have a
440. 11:54skewed perception in my opinion about a
441. 11:57transsexual's experience. And I'm simply
442. 11:59asking why do you feel like it doesn't
443. 12:01deserve to be validated if that's how
444. 12:02the person feels? Cuz you know what you
445. 12:04guys do? And I'm going to say you guys
446. 12:05that have these strong guys. I just got
447. 12:06one person sitting there.
448. 12:07>> No, these strong opinions. No, it's
449. 12:09people that you represent because you
450. 12:10have very strong opinions. And what
451. 12:12happens when it comes to the LGBT
452. 12:13community is you'll conflate um
453. 12:16pedophilia by using children and gay,
454. 12:18which are two different things.
455. 12:20>> We're you're I'm not conflating here.
456. 12:22Your argument is that if someone who is
457. 12:24not clearly being born with a penis,
458. 12:27let's for example, decides that in their
459. 12:29lived experience actually no, they
460. 12:31should have had a vagina and so they're
461. 12:32going to start living like they have a
462. 12:33vagina and getting cosmetic procedures
463. 12:35like they have a vagina. That that
464. 12:37suddenly I should respect that. I'm
465. 12:38saying okay, keep it consistent and say
466. 12:41the exact same thing about Rich Dollar.
467. 12:43And you you hesitate there for some
468. 12:44reason you don't want to do that. And so
469. 12:45I said she was crazy.
470. 12:47>> Exactly. So you have to keep it
471. 12:48ideologically consistent. That's all I'm
472. 12:50saying. But I'm saying to you, I'm
473. 12:51consistent. Rachel is not a black woman.
474. 12:54And a trans person can't just wake up
475. 12:56one day and decide to be a woman. A man
476. 12:59can't wake up one day and decide to be a
477. 13:00woman because of lived experience. I'm
478. 13:01sorry that I'm consistent, you know, but
479. 13:04you have to figure out why you're not.
480. 13:05>> No. Michael Jackson would be a better
481. 13:07explanation because he was actually born
482. 13:09your color and died a little lighter
483. 13:11than me. So that's different. Michael
484. 13:12Jackson, a black man.
485. 13:14>> No, of I agree with that. That's what
486. 13:16I'm saying. The difference though in
487. 13:18terms of Rachel Doiel, she's a white
488. 13:20woman that decided that she was going to
489. 13:22be black. Wait, no, they're not. Yes,
490. 13:25they are. Because I'm making a lot of
491. 13:26sense.
492. 13:26>> Let me say this. I think people are
493. 13:27going to watch this and go, I understand
494. 13:29where she's coming from. And they're
495. 13:30going to watch this and go, I understand
496. 13:31where he's coming from. Because they
497. 13:33will. It's not an exchange of who's
498. 13:34right or wrong.
499. 13:35>> No, but there's just ideological
500. 13:37consistency. So that's my thing. If you
501. 13:38can't make it make ideological sense,
502. 13:40it's because it doesn't make any sense,
503. 13:42right? The only thing you referenced
504. 13:43with a trans person not being validated
505. 13:45is whether they have a penis or not. And
506. 13:47their sexual orientation is not based on
507. 13:48their body part.
508. 13:49>> Okay. So why isn't Rachel Doazo black?
509. 13:52>> Cuz she's a white woman.
510. 13:53>> Okay. Because it's a male or it's a
511. 13:54female. That's it. And no matter how
512. 13:56many procedures Rachel Dozo gets or how
513. 13:57much makeup she pounds on her face or
514. 13:59how much she kinks her hair, no matter
515. 14:01what. Okay. Even if she presents and she
516. 14:03fully looks like she's a black woman.
517. 14:04>> Even if she gets the Kim Kardashian BBL,
518. 14:05>> even if she gets the Kim Kardashian BBL,
519. 14:08everything that she wants to get, she's
520. 14:10still going to be and and die a white
521. 14:12woman. And that's the same for the
522. 14:14transgender people. You can get all the
523. 14:16cosmetic procedures that you want. You
524. 14:18can talk about your lived experience on
525. 14:20a mic. You can stand up. At the end of
526. 14:21the day, you if you were born a man,
527. 14:24you're dying a man. And that's it. You
528. 14:26got to deal with that in your own
529. 14:26personal time. It's not up for me to
530. 14:28help you work through those
531. 14:28psychological issues. And that's just
532. 14:31how it has to be right now.
533. 14:32>> But how what you know what about people
534. 14:34who say that let's conflate again cuz
535. 14:37you brought up Rachel Dosey on race that
536. 14:39you as a black woman no matter you
537. 14:41having a white husband having black and
538. 14:42white kids speaking all this rhetoric uh
539. 14:45you'll still you know be equivalent to
540. 14:48what do they call us monkeys or an
541. 14:50animal or subhuman because we're who we
542. 14:53who they think we are but that's not
543. 14:55true. Not actually true, but like I'm
544. 14:57not calling a person who's born a male
545. 15:00saying that you're going to die a male.
546. 15:02It's not the same as saying to a person
547. 15:04who's a human, you're going to die a
548. 15:06monkey, which is a different species.
549. 15:07>> But you think people have looked at us
550. 15:08our whole lives as
551. 15:10>> that's just name calling. That's silly.
552. 15:11And and I I've not denigrated anybody
553. 15:13and said that you're not a human. I'm
554. 15:14just telling you because unfortunately a
555. 15:16lot of people when you get out in the
556. 15:17world are going to lie to you to make
557. 15:18you feel good. And I'm just not here to
558. 15:20run the world like it's a kindergarten
559. 15:22classroom. Like I don't really care
560. 15:23about
561. 15:25it. Warrants people to be mean to you,
562. 15:27to call you names. You know, I view it
563. 15:29as a form of suffering if I'm being
564. 15:30honest with you. That's I couldn't
565. 15:32imagine waking up every day and wanting
566. 15:34to be something, but I'm not. And now
567. 15:35you've got people that are saying
568. 15:36they're trans animals. People that are
569. 15:38saying that animal
570. 15:40swear to you. Yes. There are people that
571. 15:42think that they're cats and dogs. It's a
572. 15:44thing now. And that's when the slope
573. 15:45gets slippery. This is what happens when
574. 15:46you get when you know you when you give
575. 15:48when you give a mouse a cookie. Have you
576. 15:50ever read that book? I got a lot of
577. 15:51topics. When you give a mouse a cookie,
578. 15:52they want the glass of milk.
579. 15:54>> Slippery slope, right? So, you got to
580. 15:55start and say, "Guess what, mouse?
581. 15:57You're not getting the cookie. You're a
582. 15:58man." Okay, that's it. And like a man,
583. 16:01take it like a man. Okay? If you want to
584. 16:03dress up like a woman, do whatever you
585. 16:04want. At the end of the day, you're a
586. 16:05man.
587. 16:06>> But I could understand. We were talking
588. 16:06about Bruce Jenner or Caitlyn. That that
589. 16:08I understand applies only. And here's
590. 16:10what here's what I will only agree.
591. 16:11>> It's just like bring yourself to be and
592. 16:14the king will tell you whether or not
593. 16:15you're allowed to be.
594. 16:16>> No, because I feel like, you know,
595. 16:17Caitlyn transitioned at some point.
596. 16:19Caitlin was Bruce and now Caitlyn's
597. 16:20Caitlin. But then sometimes if you catch
598. 16:22her on her on the right day, it you know
599. 16:24what I mean? It's it's confusing. So I
600. 16:26understand.
601. 16:27>> Caitlin's a man.
602. 16:28>> Caitlyn is Caitlyn.
603. 16:29>> Caitlyn is a man. A biological
604. 16:31>> Kaitlyn is a murderer.
605. 16:32>> What?
606. 16:32>> Actually, Bruce murdered somebody.
607. 16:34>> What?
608. 16:34>> Anyway,
609. 16:35>> no, that's it. That's crazy. Now we're
610. 16:36wiping your records. You just live as a
611. 16:37whole different person.
612. 16:38>> No, Bruce killed somebody on the PCH.
613. 16:40And then when Caitlyn um when when Bruce
614. 16:43transitioned to Caitlyn, Caitlyn had a
615. 16:44clean record because Caitlyn was not in
616. 16:46the car. Bruce was. But look, I know I'm
617. 16:47confusing you. Let's go back to the
618. 16:48trans animal thing. Is that really a
619. 16:50thing?
620. 16:50>> Tea is piping hot.
621. 16:52>> Is trans animal really a thing?
622. 16:54>> Yes. And that's why you gota you gota
623. 16:55call the crazy. Okay. So if you if you
624. 16:57start playing the crazy game, you never
625. 16:59stop playing the crazy game. So I never
626. 17:00started playing the crazy game. And
627. 17:02people just got to toughen up. And I'm
628. 17:03you know I feel for you. If you want to
629. 17:06be a woman, you can't be a woman. I'm
630. 17:07sitting here pregnant. You don't get the
631. 17:08right to come out here and tell me that
632. 17:10you're a woman. This is my fourth kid.
633. 17:11Okay. You don't even like you. No. This
634. 17:13is not even something that I'm going to
635. 17:14debate right now. Okay. I'm just not
636. 17:16going to debate it. you just don't get
637. 17:17to just decide. And it's also, by the
638. 17:19way, incredibly insulting the idea that
639. 17:21you get to be a woman just because you
640. 17:22got some boobs and the lips. There's
641. 17:24something very denigrating about that to
642. 17:25to women. It's basically saying anyone
643. 17:27can be you. It's just a costume. Like
644. 17:29being a woman is not a costume. It's not
645. 17:30a costume. It's just not.
646. 17:31>> First of all, some of you don't even do
647. 17:32it well. I mean, I know a lot of women
648. 17:34that don't have lips, that don't have
649. 17:35ass, that can have kids, that you know,
650. 17:37and those some that do have uteruses
651. 17:39that probably shouldn't. But that's not
652. 17:41because of my opinion as a man. It's my
653. 17:42opinion because that's not that's not
654. 17:44what makes a woman. That's the whole
655. 17:45point. It's like what makes a woman that
656. 17:46you have to have lips and boobs to be a
657. 17:48woman.
658. 17:48>> No, but you what what makes a woman?
659. 17:51>> Well, we could start at the very
660. 17:53beginning. We can talk about why can the
661. 17:55doctor tell you why do I know that I
662. 17:57have a male in my stomach right now? Why
663. 17:59are they able to do that? Right? They
664. 18:00we're talking we can go back to
665. 18:02>> women have kids though.
666. 18:03>> Um
667. 18:04>> there's a lot of women that aren't
668. 18:06saying like why are they even able to
669. 18:07give you a gender test to tell you what
670. 18:09are they what are they looking for? We I
671. 18:10mean we just have we are different
672. 18:11chromosonally. We are just literally
673. 18:12different biologically. We are two
674. 18:13different species. And so it's not a
675. 18:15behavior. It is like it's like this
676. 18:17person and even if if somebody if you
677. 18:19say okay some woman can't have children
678. 18:21that means something has gone wrong in a
679. 18:24perfect world every woman has a womb and
680. 18:26therefore can have a child. Things can
681. 18:27go wrong of course but it doesn't change
682. 18:29the rules. It doesn't mean like suddenly
683. 18:31well that means a man can be a woman.
684. 18:32That's crazy.
685. 18:33>> Listen the trans argument is a easy
686. 18:35argument to have because there's so much
687. 18:37cont there's so much around the trans
688. 18:38movement. I mean like I know the
689. 18:40comments and I know a lot of people are
690. 18:41going to agree with what you know
691. 18:42there's a lot of women that are a lot of
692. 18:43cis women.
693. 18:44>> They're going to be like give Rachel
694. 18:45dollars or her flowers.
695. 18:46>> Do you like being called Do you like
696. 18:47being called sis a sis woman?
697. 18:48>> It's an insult. I'm just a woman. Why
698. 18:50don't you call yourself something else?
699. 18:52Because how about you call yourself not
700. 18:53a woman. You know what I mean? The whole
701. 18:54reason why you're calling yourself
702. 18:55transgender is because you recognize
703. 18:56that you're not what I am. So why are
704. 18:58you calling yourself what I am ever?
705. 18:59Like it it was recognized up until
706. 19:03literally the last two years when I was
707. 19:05in school. Again, I'm a dinosaur. So we
708. 19:07only had LGB and we also had the DI DSM5
709. 19:10and in the diagnostic manual it
710. 19:12recognized
711. 19:13>> agent as I remember this.
712. 19:14>> Yeah, it recognized it as a mental
713. 19:16disorder. Obviously your mental and your
714. 19:17and your physical are out of order. So
715. 19:19that makes sense. And that by the way
716. 19:21people have tons of mental issues. I
717. 19:23want to be clear. People who have
718. 19:24bipolar, schizophrenia, there's so many
719. 19:25things that people have and that's fine.
720. 19:27But in no world if I had someone who was
721. 19:30schizophrenic and or had a personality
722. 19:32disorder who was trying to tell me that
723. 19:34I had to address them like they were a
724. 19:35dog, you know, would I get on four knees
725. 19:37and go woof woof. Okay. You having a
726. 19:39mental issue does not get to become my
727. 19:41mental issue. That's not a demand that I
728. 19:42can meet. So no,
729. 19:44>> I don't think a trans person has a
730. 19:45mental issue.
731. 19:45>> I do because and not I learned it in
732. 19:47school. I learned it in school and
733. 19:48everyone agreed because if you if your
734. 19:50brain and your body are out of order,
735. 19:52that's literally a mental disorder and
736. 19:53there's tons of them.
737. 19:54But Candace, you know, there's there's
738. 19:56people that may look at you as smart as
739. 19:58you are and articulate as you are and
740. 19:59argue your logic and say the same about
741. 20:01you. Like, you know, but you know,
742. 20:02that's all based on opinion. And people
743. 20:04can look at you and look at I look at
744. 20:05you as fearless because you clearly
745. 20:06don't care what people think. You say
746. 20:08what you believe in. I mean, there's
747. 20:09there's an amount of respect that person
748. 20:10has to have for somebody like you that
749. 20:12has that in them because everybody
750. 20:13doesn't, right? Because that's why I
751. 20:16think I wanted to explore what you were
752. 20:17thinking. I don't think we're ever going
753. 20:18to uh agree on the trans movement. I'm
754. 20:21and I'm not in that movement to fight
755. 20:23enough for it. All right, so I'm going
756. 20:24to move on. What do you think about gay
757. 20:25marriage? Should I be able to marry the
758. 20:26man of my dreams?
759. 20:26>> You know, it's funny. I was a huge
760. 20:29supporter and I never understood why
761. 20:30people would not support gay marriage
762. 20:32and I guess I was when did when did gay
763. 20:33marriage pass? 2008. Is that right?
764. 20:35>> With Obama.
765. 20:36>> And the conservative argument because I
766. 20:38was not conservative then was that this
767. 20:39is going to be a slippery slope and if
768. 20:40you pass gay marriage then the next
769. 20:42thing you know you're going to wake up
770. 20:43and there's they're going to be asking
771. 20:44for more and that is how we got to the A
772. 20:47of the LGBTQIA. So, I can tell you that
773. 20:50I believe that as a Christian that
774. 20:52marriage is between a male and a female,
775. 20:54a woman and a man. Um, the issue, the
776. 20:57reason why we even got to this social
777. 20:58issue is because marriage never belonged
778. 21:00to the government. It should have
779. 21:01belong, it should still be with the
780. 21:02church. And if it was still with the
781. 21:04church, we wouldn't be talking about
782. 21:05this and it wouldn't be a debate because
783. 21:06there is a debate to be had for the fact
784. 21:07that in America, is it fair that because
785. 21:10I'm in a union with a man that I get tax
786. 21:12breaks, you know, that there's like
787. 21:13marriage t tax breaks? No. So, if you're
788. 21:16going to be two men that are married or
789. 21:18living together, you go, "Why why don't
790. 21:19I get the tax breaks if we're living
791. 21:20together and doing the same thing?" And
792. 21:22that's why I don't think that that issue
793. 21:23should have ever been taken out of the
794. 21:24church. There was no reason for the
795. 21:25government to get involved. It's
796. 21:26actually I think marriage is an example
797. 21:27of government overreach. It's
798. 21:29interesting too when you apply that
799. 21:30argument. It's one of the reasons that
800. 21:31the UK had civil partnership or they
801. 21:33have civil partnerships because it would
802. 21:34allow so that you know gay couples were
803. 21:37being treated the same under the law as
804. 21:39straight couples. And I think that that
805. 21:40disparity created problems. But as a
806. 21:42Catholic, two married men would not be
807. 21:44recognized in in the Catholic Church.
808. 21:46>> I guess to throw to throw the question
809. 21:47at you, what is marriage to you? Because
810. 21:49to me, marriage is is a religious it's a
811. 21:51sacrament, right? So what is marriage to
812. 21:53you? Why did you get married?
813. 21:54>> Well, I'm not married. I'm single as
814. 21:55[ __ ] but but but I mean like if I if I
815. 21:57wanted to get married, which I don't
816. 21:58know that I want to. It's less about
817. 22:00whether or not I should have the right
818. 22:01to or not. It's more about if I find
819. 22:03somebody that I truly want to build a
820. 22:05partnership with, commit to, um, have,
821. 22:08you know, to allow to have some legal
822. 22:09responsibility over my well-being if
823. 22:11something was to happen. You know, I
824. 22:12have a lot of things in my life that I
825. 22:13want to make sure situated. So, it's
826. 22:15it's more about that. Legal.
827. 22:16>> Yeah. Legal. Uh, I don't I I I don't I I
828. 22:19I feel like anybody who wants to be in
829. 22:21love with anybody should be able to be
830. 22:22in love with or marry whoever they want.
831. 22:24I don't know why people are so involved
832. 22:26in other people's affairs.
833. 22:27>> Yeah. Well, I just think it's
834. 22:28interesting because if you can literally
835. 22:30do what you want and live with somebody
836. 22:31and do what you want, why do people
837. 22:33aspire to the marriage thing? When you
838. 22:34get down to it, it's exactly what you
839. 22:35said. It's legal. It's not a sacment to
840. 22:37them. Has nothing to do with religion.
841. 22:38It's just because you get tax breaks
842. 22:39because you want people to be able to
843. 22:41decide whether or not, you know, you're
844. 22:42going to pull the plug if you live or
845. 22:43die. And you have to have this legal
846. 22:44paperwork uh in order to do it. And
847. 22:46that's why I say that I don't think the
848. 22:47institution of marriage should have ever
849. 22:48left the church. I think it was
850. 22:49government overreach.
851. 22:50>> But do you care about gay marriage? I
852. 22:53think that it has been proven correct
853. 22:55that the slope was pretty slippery on
854. 22:56that one because now we're debating
855. 22:58children's genders.
856. 22:59>> Let let me use your own argument against
857. 23:01you. The reason why I asked the question
858. 23:02because you use Rachel Dozel and her
859. 23:04desire to be a black woman which by the
860. 23:05way I think is just interesting when a
861. 23:07white woman wants to be black because
862. 23:08it's hard being black.
863. 23:10>> But I'll throw it to you. I mean there
864. 23:11was a time where your husband would have
865. 23:14been killed or you would have been
866. 23:15lynched dating each other back in the
867. 23:1760s or 50s, right? There's people that
868. 23:18would say, "Oh, you let him date your
869. 23:20daughter. It's a slippery slope. Next
870. 23:22they gonna want rice. Next they're gonna
871. 23:23want to be the president of the Well,
872. 23:25you know, hey Kamla. Um, right. Wouldn't
873. 23:28people have said the same argument? But
874. 23:29yet here you are in your fourth child
875. 23:30with your wife.
876. 23:31>> So there would be no biblical basis for
877. 23:33misogynation law. So I'm I'm a Christian
878. 23:34first. There is no biblical there's
879. 23:36nothing in the Bible that you know it's
880. 23:38not that that that was just something
881. 23:40that America and people people were
882. 23:41doing. I that so
883. 23:42>> in terms of racism
884. 23:43>> like institutional racism was something
885. 23:44that the government was doing. Again,
886. 23:46government overreach if you ask me. Uh
887. 23:48so yeah, I don't think that that would
888. 23:50be the same. was murdered for looking at
889. 23:52a white woman at a time where
890. 23:54>> what's the question here? I didn't say
891. 23:55that was good.
892. 23:56>> You didn't say it was good, but what I'm
893. 23:57saying is racism is an institutional
894. 23:59thing in our country, right? Where like
895. 24:01>> it was literally laws. Like they were
896. 24:02Yeah, there were actual laws on the
897. 24:03books. And that's my point. What I'm
898. 24:04saying is that when we were tackling the
899. 24:06marriage issue, I was agree I was saying
900. 24:07that this is government overreach. Well,
901. 24:09so were those laws, right? Because there
902. 24:10was absolutely no reason for the
903. 24:12government to come and be making those
904. 24:13laws. And that's why I am like a
905. 24:15conservative. I think that the
906. 24:16government is over involved in a lot of
907. 24:17our lives.
908. 24:18>> Yeah. I mean, I totally agree on one
909. 24:19thing. You know, I do feel like, you
910. 24:22know, I identify as a blue dog Democrat
911. 24:24if people acknowledge what that is or
912. 24:25can go back and forth. I'm fiscally
913. 24:27conservative, but I am definitely
914. 24:28socially liberal on a lot of things. I'm
915. 24:30I'm not going to tell you as a woman
916. 24:31what to do with your body. I'm not going
917. 24:32to tell you who to love. Um, I think the
918. 24:34state's taxes are out of control, and I
919. 24:36do think our inability to protect
920. 24:38ourselves is like slowly going away,
921. 24:40right? No, it's fastly going away. Um,
922. 24:42but I I I just I I look at the state of
923. 24:45our world and don't understand how loud
924. 24:47the right agree to that. No, I think
925. 24:50MAGA just gave a name to people that
926. 24:53were tired of New York and LA deciding
927. 24:55on how the rest of America lives. The
928. 24:57flyover states, you know, LA actually
929. 24:59what happened was LA and New York got
930. 25:00too loud and they kind of began
931. 25:02caricaturing the rest of the the nation.
932. 25:05You know, oh well, if you don't think
933. 25:06like us, if you don't want to live like
934. 25:07this, if you oh, you just want to be,
935. 25:09you know, get married out of high school
936. 25:10and and love your high school for the
937. 25:12rest of your life and have children, you
938. 25:13know, the rest of the country is living
939. 25:14like your grandparents lived. And what
940. 25:16happened was Hollywood got a studio and
941. 25:18they started really denigrating those
942. 25:19sorts of traditional beliefs which are
943. 25:21really beautiful and wonderful. And it's
944. 25:22the people that get mocked the most on
945. 25:24the media. Like there you have a bunch
946. 25:25of latte sipping reporters who think
947. 25:28that they're the future and that they
948. 25:29know how things should work. And
949. 25:30>> I like lattes.
950. 25:31>> Exactly. But that's it. This and so they
951. 25:33started mocking and they actually had no
952. 25:35experience. They've never been to those
953. 25:36flyover states. They don't understand
954. 25:38how sacred and beautiful it is for
955. 25:40people to aspire to like when I moved to
956. 25:43Tennessee was it was like a culture
957. 25:44shock. me being from New York and it's
958. 25:46so wonderful. They literally where I
959. 25:48live the streets are shut down. There's
960. 25:50police officers every five feet on
961. 25:52Sunday because everyone's going to
962. 25:54church when the people invite you as a
963. 25:56social activity like you guys let's go
964. 25:57get drinks. Let's go to church on
965. 25:58Sunday. It's a beautiful thing and you
966. 26:00know there's all different kinds of
967. 26:01churches and people you know we go to
968. 26:03the farmers market. They know who's
969. 26:04giving them their food. It's not this
970. 26:05grocery store, you know, in inhumane
971. 26:08experience. You know the farmers, they
972. 26:09have different meat. you know, it's in
973. 26:10season. And I think it is something that
974. 26:13is there's something about your soul
975. 26:16that hits. Right. Right. Um, and I
976. 26:19realize now that I've moved down south,
977. 26:20how far removed we've become in the
978. 26:22cities from that experience. So, yeah, I
979. 26:25think actually it was the other way. New
980. 26:26York and LA got too loud and then
981. 26:28finally the rest of America said, you
982. 26:30know, we've been here a very long time.
983. 26:32We're kind of tired of being caricatured
984. 26:33by the rest of you. We actually don't
985. 26:34want to live like we don't want to live
986. 26:35like Hollywood. I know you brought up um
987. 26:37Catholic and being Christian several
988. 26:39times, so clearly your your faith is
989. 26:40important to you.
990. 26:41>> Yeah.
991. 26:41>> Um
992. 26:42>> but you know these Catholics, they be
993. 26:43playing with the kids because you talked
994. 26:45about the slippery slopes. Now, I ain't
995. 26:47going to say the Pope did it, but
996. 26:48there's a lot of them running around in
997. 26:49those dresses who have touched on kids
998. 26:50and we know that's more than Ash
999. 26:51Wednesday. So when we're condemning
1000. 26:54groups of people, how can you condemn
1001. 26:55the slippery slope and not talk about
1002. 26:57the own church, your own church that you
1003. 26:58may go and pray to?
1004. 26:59>> Well, let's be very clear. That's just
1005. 27:00false.
1006. 27:01>> You think so?
1007. 27:01>> I know. I'm saying what? Let me tell you
1008. 27:03what is false. It is false that I have
1009. 27:04not spoken about that. I'm not saying
1010. 27:06you didn't speak about I'm just asking.
1011. 27:07>> No, I mean let's be clear. There's not
1012. 27:10>> to pretend that pedophilia is restricted
1013. 27:12to any institution whether you're
1014. 27:13talking about schools where it happens,
1015. 27:14church where it happens amongst you know
1016. 27:16gay relationships where it happens or
1017. 27:18straight relationships where it happens
1018. 27:19would be ridiculous. I've never said
1019. 27:20that. I would never say that. And when
1020. 27:22it in terms of the Catholic Church
1021. 27:24because I've been on this journey and
1022. 27:26speaking about history which is crazy.
1023. 27:27The media freaked out when I spoke spoke
1024. 27:29about this really sadistic Frankish
1025. 27:32movement that took place in the 1700s
1026. 27:33where they developed this uh belief in
1027. 27:37apostasy which is to pretend that you're
1028. 27:39a part of a different religion and then
1029. 27:41as as a way to overthrow that religion.
1030. 27:42These people literally were baptized
1031. 27:44into the Catholic church. I've spoken
1032. 27:45about that. Um and they were part of a
1033. 27:46Frankus cult and they believe this as a
1034. 27:48sacrament. They believe in molesting
1035. 27:50children. I've spoken about that on my
1036. 27:51show. To say that I don't speak about
1037. 27:52that when I did an entire series on
1038. 27:53Emanuel Mcronone, Catholic wife, wife
1039. 27:56wife, whatever you want to call it, is
1040. 27:58ridiculous. So people just say things
1041. 28:00like, "How come you don't talk about
1042. 28:01this?" I'm like, "I do talk about this.
1043. 28:02I'm open about this extensively." And
1044. 28:04wherever evil is, I will call it out.
1045. 28:05>> I'm not saying you don't talk about it
1046. 28:06because you do talk a lot. What I'm
1047. 28:08trying to understand in this in this and
1048. 28:09I talk a lot billions and billions of
1049. 28:10minutes. Watch. I'm I'm asking
1050. 28:12specifically around in this conversation
1051. 28:13your theory around that slippery slope
1052. 28:15because that was a comment that I heard
1053. 28:16you make. When I think about the
1054. 28:17slippery slope, because well, we
1055. 28:19probably will agree on this is I I was
1056. 28:21in a whole debate with one of my friends
1057. 28:22recently and he gay as hell. I said, I
1058. 28:24don't believe drag queens should be
1059. 28:25reading school stories to kids in
1060. 28:26schools. Like I don't understand how we
1061. 28:28got there. Like drag queens are are we
1062. 28:31>> we're agreeing
1063. 28:32>> we're agreeing on something. When I say
1064. 28:34that it's like that's something that's
1065. 28:34such an easy like why why are we doing
1066. 28:36that?
1067. 28:36>> Now that to me, but see that those are
1068. 28:38the things that fuel my frustration with
1069. 28:41kind of my community because it's the
1070. 28:42thing we're giving people to say look
1071. 28:44>> okay. Um, I uh am a big youth advocate.
1072. 28:48I understand inclusion and people
1073. 28:49wanting to see themselves. I don't think
1074. 28:51a kid wants to see themselves as a drag
1075. 28:52queen. And if you do dress up at home
1076. 28:54with your family, whatever. And some gay
1077. 28:56people may be mad at me for saying that,
1078. 28:57but I do feel like that's the thing
1079. 28:58where I'm like, why are we doing that?
1080. 29:00>> That's why. Yeah, exactly.
1081. 29:01>> When drag queens are traditionally for
1082. 29:02entertainment at a nightclub or a bar or
1083. 29:04whatever. So, I do agree with that. And
1084. 29:06that is that the slippery slope you're
1085. 29:07talking about?
1086. 29:08>> That's part of it. Yeah. So, it's it's
1087. 29:10when people were fighting for gay
1088. 29:11marriage, it was like it's just about
1089. 29:13love is love. We just want to be able to
1090. 29:14marry our partners. Yeah. Equality. And
1091. 29:16then as soon as that happened, again, I
1092. 29:17was liberal, so I was like on board with
1093. 29:19that 1,00%. And then as soon as it
1094. 29:21happened, it was like the goalpost just
1095. 29:22changed and moved over. And it was like,
1096. 29:23what about transgender? And it's like,
1097. 29:24okay, now we talk about bathroom signs,
1098. 29:26not inclusive enough. Okay. Whoa, whoa,
1099. 29:27whoa. Now all of a sudden drag queens
1100. 29:29need to be reading to kids. Why? It's
1101. 29:30just it's such a crazy thing to be
1102. 29:32fighting for. And it's just saying it's
1103. 29:34it's proving everybody right that this
1104. 29:36there is no end of the pursuit. And I
1105. 29:37want to be clear, that is a reality. The
1106. 29:39reason why they don't end the pursuit
1107. 29:41isn't because, you know, this gay couple
1108. 29:43didn't want it to be over. Actually, I
1109. 29:45find that most gay people that I know
1110. 29:47agree with this. They don't think that
1111. 29:49they're not happy about this march into
1112. 29:50transgenderism and suddenly a march into
1113. 29:52the classroom with drag queens. They're
1114. 29:53pretty sensible on that. Uh the reason
1115. 29:55it happens is because these groups like
1116. 29:56GLAD need to keep raising money. So, you
1117. 29:58got to keep having issues. This is like
1118. 29:59the NAACP. If racism goes away, you're
1119. 30:01out of business. You know what I mean?
1120. 30:02>> You don't like the NACP, can it?
1121. 30:04>> I don't like the the NAACP because I had
1122. 30:05experience with the NAACP, as I know you
1123. 30:07likely know. Um, and so I know
1124. 30:09>> I know what I know
1125. 30:10>> because you got a lot of note cards,
1126. 30:12>> a lot of note cards there, right? So if
1127. 30:15you did your homework, then you would
1128. 30:16know that I had really about the
1129. 30:19>> So they don't want this issue to go.
1130. 30:20They never these groups like Glad and
1131. 30:22NACP. They're throwing gallas, right?
1132. 30:24Well, if if it come on, demand's got to
1133. 30:26meet the supply, right? So you got to
1134. 30:27demand the racism so that you can say
1135. 30:29donate to the NAACP. You got to demand,
1136. 30:31okay, we won gay marriage. Crap. We made
1137. 30:33we made a lot of money fighting for gay
1138. 30:34marriage. It's our business. we got all
1139. 30:36this. Well, we got to look for something
1140. 30:37else to champion. And that's how it
1141. 30:38keeps getting tacked on. It's not even
1142. 30:39about the will of the people that
1143. 30:40they're representing anymore. And so,
1144. 30:42that's my problem with a lot of these
1145. 30:43groups.
1146. 30:44>> Well, let me say that. Um,
1147. 30:46>> we'll tackle the NACP in a minute.
1148. 30:47>> Yeah.
1149. 30:48>> Uh, on the GLAD thing, you know, I I've
1150. 30:50been uh critical of I feel like the
1151. 30:52GLADs of the world won't recognize me
1152. 30:55unless I'm to the super extreme of what
1153. 30:57they expect. uh because as a black gay
1154. 31:00openly gay successful businessman that's
1155. 31:03done all these things ran for just one
1156. 31:04vice I mean you know just there's never
1157. 31:06been the acknowledgement but I also had
1158. 31:07an issue when I was on reality TV that I
1159. 31:09felt like what people wanted to see from
1160. 31:11a gay person was the handbagw wearing
1161. 31:13heelw wearing sideshow of a reality star
1162. 31:17woman and I never wanted to be that. So,
1163. 31:19I do agree in some way that there's
1164. 31:20something that makes the only the only
1165. 31:23image of us to they only want one thing,
1166. 31:25>> right? It's a caricature of what it
1167. 31:26means to be a person and and you see
1168. 31:28this everywhere, whether it's how they
1169. 31:29expect black people to behave, gay
1170. 31:30people to behave, it just becomes a
1171. 31:31caricature and everyone's got to be a
1172. 31:33victim, too. And that's something that I
1173. 31:34just cannot get down with.
1174. 31:35>> But how does it get somebody like you
1175. 31:37who is intelligent, uh, who can
1176. 31:40articulate their thought, who's had a
1177. 31:41history of being liberal,
1178. 31:43>> to then appear to be so extreme? Is it
1179. 31:45because you're frustrated, fed up?
1180. 31:46>> I don't think I'm extreme. That's the
1181. 31:47part I don't understand. I'm looking for
1182. 31:50evidence of extreme Candace and I think
1183. 31:52I sound very sensible. I'll play it back
1184. 31:54sometimes. I'm like, "No, I agree with
1185. 31:55what I said that we have to accept
1186. 31:56trans. You got to accept Rachel Dalizo."
1187. 31:58That feels sensible to me.
1188. 31:59>> Do you like Rachel Doll? Is that like
1189. 32:01your Cuz I
1190. 32:01>> No, because I just that she's the
1191. 32:02clearest example of it's nobody, no
1192. 32:05matter who you challenge, they'll be
1193. 32:06like a trans trans. As soon as you go,
1194. 32:08"Okay, Rachel Dolls is black." Like, oh
1195. 32:09no, that's clutching my pearls. That's
1196. 32:13crazy. Of course, she can't be black.
1197. 32:15And that should be your wakeup call that
1198. 32:16something's wrong here with this logic.
1199. 32:17You can't just be because you wish it to
1200. 32:19be. Like we we're not like Dorothy in
1201. 32:21the Wizard of Oz. I mean, we we can't
1202. 32:22just click our heels in ruby red
1203. 32:24slippers and decide what we wish it to
1204. 32:25be. So, and so I think the better thing
1205. 32:28is to serve people truth and let them
1206. 32:31deal with that. And again, like I said,
1207. 32:33that does not mean I think the thing
1208. 32:34that's wrong is that people represent it
1209. 32:36as an extremity. I think it's wrong that
1210. 32:37people make it seem as though this means
1211. 32:39this gives you a, you know, a warrant to
1212. 32:40be really mean to this person or to
1213. 32:41denigrate them. No, I I got tons of
1214. 32:43there's tons of crazy people, all
1215. 32:44different types of variety of crazy, but
1216. 32:46the demand for me to recognize and
1217. 32:48accept that as reality is problematic
1218. 32:50for me.
1219. 32:51>> But what about uh again when it comes to
1220. 32:53the LG LGB, right? Let's just talk about
1221. 32:55LGBT. We already we unpacked the trans,
1222. 32:58no pun intended, the LGB. Um why do you
1223. 33:01think there's such a need to conflate
1224. 33:03the children of it all in the whole
1225. 33:06discussion about the LGBT? Because I
1226. 33:08will say, I agree with you. I don't
1227. 33:09understand why drag queens are reading
1228. 33:11stories to kids. I don't get it. Um I w
1229. 33:13I wouldn't want my kid to sit in a
1230. 33:15classroom uh reading a story with a drag
1231. 33:17queen, but I also don't want my kid, and
1232. 33:18I don't have kids, by the way, um to go
1233. 33:20to school and have a conversation about
1234. 33:21sex ed with I don't think that
1235. 33:24conversation appropriate for a child,
1236. 33:25>> especially not one that I can't be
1237. 33:26present, participate in, observe,
1238. 33:28>> and see what's happening. Yeah. Are they
1239. 33:29sexualizing your kid or are they
1240. 33:30educating your child? And actually, the
1241. 33:32answer to that is they're sexualizing
1242. 33:33your kid because when there was no sex
1243. 33:34ed in the classroom, the majority of
1244. 33:36high school kids were graduating with
1245. 33:37their virginity intact. The second
1246. 33:38Planned Parenthood got in there um and
1247. 33:40they passed, you know, established the
1248. 33:42Department of Education and developed
1249. 33:43sex education, that changed in one
1250. 33:44decade. The majority of high school kids
1251. 33:46were no longer graduating with their
1252. 33:47virginity. Thomas Soul has a really good
1253. 33:48book on that inside the American
1254. 33:50education system. So, children are being
1255. 33:51indoctrinated. You know, there's there's
1256. 33:52tons of data and evidence that shows
1257. 33:53that they're being indoctrinated. The
1258. 33:55question is why? And that's a very good
1259. 33:56question.
1260. 33:58Why is this pushed? Like I said, I think
1261. 34:00the majority of people in the community
1262. 34:02that I've spoken to, whether it's gay
1263. 34:03lesbians, gay lesbians, whether it's
1264. 34:06married lesbians, married gay people,
1265. 34:07all agree that like it's there's just no
1266. 34:09reason to do this. So, it's not them
1267. 34:11pushing for it. That's the thing you
1268. 34:12have to understand. It's not actually
1269. 34:14gay people and lesbians that are pushing
1270. 34:16for this to happen in the classroom.
1271. 34:17>> Who's pushing for it?
1272. 34:18>> This is kind of a bigger conversation
1273. 34:21that we're just kind of starting to have
1274. 34:23on my podcast in particular. But the 60s
1275. 34:25is a very interesting period to study
1276. 34:28and to understand what um
1277. 34:32what programs the CIA the 60s the CIA
1278. 34:34put into place and this is talking about
1279. 34:36to intentionally sew social discord. Uh
1280. 34:40co-intel pro was a covert CIA program
1281. 34:42under LBJ that was to go after the Black
1282. 34:45Panthers. Martin Luther King they killed
1283. 34:47they killed Malcolm X. They killed
1284. 34:48Martin Luther King. The CIA did this and
1285. 34:50they were um going after college campus
1286. 34:53kids. They were the agitators that were
1287. 34:55creating these social issues. And when I
1288. 34:57see something like this and I speak to
1289. 34:58so many people on the spectrum and I
1290. 35:00find that we actually all agree, I just
1291. 35:02have questions about the government and
1292. 35:03whether or not they're trying to make us
1293. 35:05think this is what makes us divided.
1294. 35:07>> Yeah. To make us fight each other and
1295. 35:08and actually what it does is it just
1296. 35:10causes just social unrest. And that's
1297. 35:12the governments love that. They love
1298. 35:14when black hates white, when straight
1299. 35:15hates gay because they don't ever want
1300. 35:17you to be focusing on what the
1301. 35:18government is doing. And that the 60s
1302. 35:20period, there's a book called Chaos that
1303. 35:22I recommend every American read. It's
1304. 35:23terrifying. I mean, talking about the
1305. 35:24Charles Manson murders, everything you
1306. 35:26learned about that was a complete lie.
1307. 35:27CIA operation, they were involved
1308. 35:29because they wanted to socially engineer
1309. 35:31Americans to be fearful because LBJ
1310. 35:33wanted to go to war. And so, I have
1311. 35:36questions cuz I really don't think that
1312. 35:37it's coming from gay people and
1313. 35:38lesbians. I really just don't think that
1314. 35:40like every gay person's like, I just
1315. 35:42need to be in front of your kid. Like, I
1316. 35:43just don't think that's real.
1317. 35:44>> I don't give a [ __ ] about what y'all
1318. 35:46kids are doing,
1319. 35:46>> right? I feel like that's how Yeah. Let
1320. 35:49me ask you. So one day one of your kids
1321. 35:51comes, "Mom, I'm gay.