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0:00I can't sell culture comes for liberals
0:01who decry the canceled culture Halle
0:03Berry apologizes for acting and ill
0:05ahead or makes clear once again
0:06shouldn'ts move on to the United States
0:07I'm Ben Shapiro this is the Ben Shapiro
0:09show the venture Pierrot show is
0:16sponsored by Express at DPN have a right
0:18to privacy protected at expressvpn calm
0:20slash Ben well Benjamin Franklin once
0:23suggested that death and taxes were the
0:25only inevitabilities wrong he was
0:27canceled culture is an inevitability as
0:29well everyone will be canceled unless
0:32you're on the full-on woke left in which
0:33case you can say anything I mean you can
0:35you can literally quote hit learn if
0:36you're on the full-on woke left you
0:37won't be cancelled they'll be tried just
0:39a little bit because you made everybody
0:40look bad but you won't be cancelled for
0:42that we'll get to that story in a little
0:44while but cancel culture is quite real
0:45it particularly exists not at the top
0:47levels although it does exist at the top
0:49levels I mean if you're the National
0:51Book Critics Circle and half of your
0:53board members are forced to resign or
0:54not being sufficiently woke for not
0:56being sufficiently suppli Kotori toward
0:58a black lives matter the vulture calm
1:01reported a week ago that twelve board
1:03members of the National Book Critics
1:04Circle an organization of eight hundred
1:06critics began to draft a statement in
1:08support of the black lives matter
1:09movement noting the publishing industry
1:11has long been overwhelmingly white from
1:12top to bottom
1:13they wrote of their culpability in this
1:14system of a ratio of black and
1:16indigenous voices from the cultural
1:18conversation and listed a bunch of steps
1:20they wanted to take his mail Mohammed
1:22black writer and critic said it was
1:23really exciting we were hoping to change
1:24ourselves and then model something for
1:26the entire industry just as the group
1:28was starting to share the statement of
1:29the world the organization began to
1:30fracture and then implode over the past
1:32several days more than half of the
1:33National Book Critics Circle 24 board
1:35members which had included six people of
1:37color have resigned in a flurry of
1:38acrimony shion's over racism privacy
1:40concerns and political correctness
1:42what exactly happened well the
1:44organization's president when Laurie
1:45Herzl who is white ran the statement by
1:47several board members who hadn't
1:48participated in writing it one board
1:50member caralyn Romano said he disagreed
1:51with some of the claims in the letter
1:52but didn't want to distract from the
1:54great majority of the board from its
1:55mission but he went on to detail his
1:57objections to a number of those claims
1:58dismissing the statements fundamental
2:00premise is absolute nonsense that the
2:01publishing industry has been attempting
2:03to silence the voices of people of color
2:05which is absolute nonsense by the way I
2:06mean it's just not true I know a lot of
2:09the heads of these major publishing
2:11corporations the last thing they're
2:12attempting to do
2:13is silence people of color it's insane I
2:15mean fully insane a white critic and
2:17former board president he took issue
2:18with the idea the publishing business
2:20operated with quote the full benefits of
2:22white supremacy and institutional racism
2:23and that white gatekeeping had been
2:25working to stifle black voices at every
2:27level of our industry these are
2:28statements that were made in this little
2:30letter and then she was chided and then
2:33other people got angry and then a bunch
2:35of people were basically forced to
2:36resign from the National Book Critics
2:38Circle we've seen data analysts who
2:41worked for liberal organizations like
2:43David Shore put out basically anodyne
2:45data points and then be forced to resign
2:47from organizations like civics analytics
2:50Rosina we've seen high-level people
2:51who've been forced to resign from their
2:52jobs the Boeing communications chief was
2:54forced to resign because 33 years ago he
2:56wrote a piece saying that women
2:57shouldn't be in direct combat right well
2:59this stuff does exist and it's existed
3:01for quite a long time I mean let's not
3:02pretend that this is a creation of this
3:04year I'm old enough to remember when
3:05Brendon ice the co-founder of Mozilla
3:08Firefox was forced to resign from his
3:09position for the great sin of having
3:11supported traditional marriage under
3:13prop under the proposition in 2008 in
3:16California that proposed the traditional
3:19manner to be preserved by the way that
3:20was at a time when Barack Obama
3:21supported traditional marriage he was
3:23forced resign Brendan Eich right so
3:25cancel culture has been around for a
3:27very very long time it has just picked
3:28up a lot of speed and more and more it
3:30is being applied to the common everyday
3:31citizen it's not just being applied to
3:32people at high levels of power and
3:34prestige it is being applied to everyone
3:36if you are a person who is working in a
3:38corporation and you're at a very low
3:39level and you have a Facebook post from
3:41three years ago suggesting that hands up
3:43don't shoot was a lie maybe you'll be
3:44cancelled if you say all black lives
3:46matter not just black lives matter you
3:47could find yourself on the chopping
3:49block if you point out that Robyn
3:50D'Angelo is white fragility is a bag of
3:52hogwash well then you are going to be
3:54canceled probably so cancel culture
3:55undoubtedly exists because we are
3:57watching it every single day and if you
3:59don't feel like hansel culture exists
4:01it's because you're are ignorant or
4:03you're a member of the persecuting party
4:04there are a lot of people out there
4:06particularly on the hard left or members
4:08of the cancel culture who insist that
4:09they are not actually part of a cancel
4:11culture they're just holding people
4:12accountable except they're not holding
4:14people accountable because the
4:15accountability is generally chiding
4:18somebody for their bad behavior it's not
4:19going to their employer and having them
4:21fired over something that is absolutely
4:23not fireable and has nothing to do with
4:24their employment the difference between
4:26cancel culture and regular court
4:27I disagree with what you just said and
4:30I'm gonna go to your boss and see with
4:32your boss disagrees I just said cancel
4:34culture is about trying to ruin
4:36somebody's life over something they said
4:38that you disagree with right that's the
4:39definition of cancel culture it is not
4:41just we are going to criticize what you
4:44said we're not gonna point out that
4:45you're wrong we're not gonna have a
4:46conversation about that it is we're
4:47going to go to all of the ways that you
4:49make your money and make your living and
4:51earn your bread and we are going to
4:52attempt to deprive you of those things
4:54because we disagree with the thing that
4:55you just said and that is the nature of
4:57cancel culture the great defenders of
4:59cancel culture of course claim that it
5:01doesn't exist so jut let them all writes
5:03popular information which is this blog
5:05that is specifically dedicated to going
5:07after outlets on the right and very
5:08often just making up information about
5:09them
5:10full disclosure he's been coming after
5:11daily wire recently for the bizarre
5:13claim that the way that we make our
5:15money is by marketing via a third party
5:17Facebook page that was responsible for
5:19it counted one point zero one percent of
5:22the grand total traffic in the last
5:24three months via our analytics in any
5:26case jeff Legum suggested quote cancel
5:29culture is something that does not exist
5:30but is a very popular concept among
5:32people who do terrible things and don't
5:34like being held accountable so cancel
5:37culture doesn't exist and also I am the
5:39leader of it right that statement said
5:42cancel culture doesn't exist also I'm
5:44just going to say that I'm going to ruin
5:47your life in your career for you
5:48disagree with me right who do terrible
5:50things what are the terrible things that
5:51are being done the terrible things that
5:52are being done are typically things like
5:55not being quote unquote anti-racist
5:58enough in the in bro McKenzie definition
5:59of anti racism I being too fragile
6:01crying a white woman crying at a meeting
6:04but these are things that are terrible
6:06things and don't like being held
6:07accountable Chuck led them says the
6:09problem with the United States is not
6:10that there is too much accountability
6:11but there is too little too little
6:14accountability he says it's amazing the
6:16self-proclaimed champions of free speech
6:17scream stop criticizing me you are
6:19attacking free speech every time they
6:20say something pernicious and someone
6:21responds that is the opposite of free
6:23speech if you believe in free speech
6:24defend your position
6:26okay but this is this is what's larious
6:28he then goes on to use as his example of
6:30people or falsely or falsely claiming
6:33canceled culture a case in which
6:35somebody actually was cancelled right so
6:37then he says so from from his little
6:39screed here in which you suggest
6:41canceled culture doesn't exist his
6:42suggestion is if I say something and Jeb
6:44welcome criticizes it and I call that
6:45canceled culture no that's not canceled
6:48culture canceled culture is when you
6:49attempt to take me off the air because
6:50you disagree with what I say but he's
6:53fine with that too okay because his
6:55exact example of something that his
6:57quote unquote not canceled culture is
6:58when the New Yorkers David Remnick
7:00interview was supposed to interview
7:01Steve Bannon at an event and then
7:04canceled the actual interview because
7:06there's so much blowback about Stieb and
7:08that's an actual cancelling that's an
7:09actual event that was cancelled okay
7:11does not just somebody disagreed with
7:12Steve Bannon it was you had booked an
7:14event and then you cancelled the events
7:15thanks to blowback so Chad Legum says
7:18I'm just I'm taking back free speech
7:19from this tiresome group of people who
7:21just complained all the time about being
7:22silenced but actually get paid lots of
7:24money to say boring things know that
7:26that know that do you not understand the
7:29answer is he does understand English is
7:31just a damned liar right I mean this is
7:32this is what people do okay so it's not
7:35just it's not just juggling them of
7:36course there's a whole group of people
7:37on the on the Left who say this sort of
7:41stuff the canceled culture doesn't
7:43actually exist now the reason this has
7:45come up at this moment particularly is
7:47not just because we've had a wave of
7:48cancellations a tsunami of cancellations
7:50coming for literally everyone I mean
7:52they're now going after
7:53lin-manuel Miranda and trying to he'll
7:56ruin his career for the great sin of
7:57having created a musical in which the
8:00founders are played by people of color
8:02and he didn't speak up loudly enough
8:03against black lives matter I mean
8:04they're trying to cancel lin-manuel
8:06Miranda not just criticizing him they're
8:07trying to basically suggests that maybe
8:09Hamilton shouldn't be on things like
8:10Disney applause right maybe we should
8:12remove the mechanisms of dissemination
8:13there are people who are actually doing
8:15this hey everyone will be canceled if
8:16you are not sufficiently on the left or
8:19if you have not paid obeisance to the
8:22left it would be very hard radical left
8:24then you will be cancelled well a group
8:26of academics stood up yesterday and they
8:28said well we're not you know we don't
8:29like this we're not into it
8:31they issued a letter on justice and open
8:32debate and this letter was signed by a
8:34huge group of people from right left and
8:37center
8:38included people like Wynton Marsalis the
8:40famous jazz musician and Applebaum who
8:43certainly of the of the political left
8:45is political liberal Margaret Atwood
8:46right who's the writer of The Handmaid's
8:48Tale and it extended to people like
8:50Yasha
8:51monk from the Atlantic it extended to
8:53Olivia nosy at New York Magazine
8:55Nixon Noam Chomsky all the way on the
8:57left right a defender of Pol Pot and
8:58mere Rouge Noam Chomsky was like I don't
9:00like this stuff Nicholas Christakis
9:01who's the Yale professor who was ousted
9:03from his job for the great crime of it
9:05suggesting that Halloween costumes were
9:06merely Halloween costumes right he's
9:08signed on the letter JK Rowling is on
9:10the letter Salman Rushdie is on letter
9:11Jessie single is on the letter from New
9:13York formerly of New York magazine the
9:16list is very very long Randi Weingarten
9:18the head of the American Federation of
9:19Teachers
9:19Barry Weiss is on the list Sean
9:21Weiland's from Princeton University is
9:23on the list
9:24Thomas Chatterton Williams was the
9:25writer who is black who had created the
9:28letter in the first place matthew
9:29Yglesias
9:30as we will see an important figure was
9:32was on the list I can't name on the list
9:34a single person who I believe voted for
9:36Trump I think every single one of these
9:38people so far as I can see is somebody
9:40who did not vote for Trump but these are
9:42all people who are on the political left
9:44for the most part there may be one or
9:46two exceptions but I'm hard-pressed to
9:49find them maybe Francis Fukuyama maybe
9:52but pretty much everybody else was on
9:54this list is on the political left so
9:56we're gonna get to the actual content to
9:58the letter which has generated a
9:59thousand backlashes
10:00a thousand backlashes and we'll see how
10:03it is an utterly uncontroversial letter
10:05it seems almost like virtue signaling
10:06it's like you guys were late on this
10:07bandwagon guy some of us I've been
10:09talking about this for quite a while
10:10my friend Eric Weinstein who is famous
10:12for for coming up with the term
10:13intellectual dark web to describe a
10:15group of people who just wanted to have
10:16open conversations we took inordinate
10:18incoming fire over this right four years
10:21we took incoming fire over this she was
10:22like welcome to the party pal okay so
10:24we'll get to this letter in a second
10:25because as you will see these same
10:27people who are claiming their there is
10:28no canceled culture are now attempting
10:30to cancel the people who signed the
10:32letter about the evils of canceled
10:34culture
10:35I'm not sure what's funnier people
10:36claiming that there is no cancel culture
10:37while simultaneously being key cogs in
10:39cancel culture or people who sign this
10:41letter they're been at least a couple we
10:43signed this letter to cry and cancel
10:44culture and then out of fear of
10:46cancellation unsigned the letter hey
10:48that that's been a thing that's been
10:49going on we'll get to that in just one
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12:08okay so this letter from Harper's is
12:10what has generated in the ordinate
12:12controversy what exactly does this
12:13letter what does this letter say it says
12:15our cultural institutions are facing a
12:17moment of trial powerful protests for
12:19racial and social justice are leading to
12:21overdue demands for police reform along
12:23with wider calls for greater equality
12:24and inclusion across our society not
12:26least in higher education journalism of
12:28philanthropy and the arts but this
12:30needed reckoning has also intensified a
12:32new set of moral attitudes and political
12:34commitments that tend to weaken our
12:35norms of open debate and toleration of
12:37differences in favor of ideological
12:38conformity as we applaud the first
12:40development we also raised our voices
12:42against the second the forces of the
12:44liberalism are gaining strength
12:45throughout the world and have a powerful
12:46ally in Donald Trump represents here
12:48threat to democracy but resistance must
12:50not be allowed to harden into its own
12:52brand of dogma / or coercion which
12:54right-wing demagogues are already
12:55exploiting see the letter is so
12:57apologetic about the point that it's
12:59making I think we don't want to find
13:01ourselves on the same side of this issue
13:02as you know tucker carlson or ben
13:04shapiro we don't want to find ourselves
13:06on the same set but that's where we find
13:07ourselves and the right-wing demagogues
13:09are exploiting the fact it's all about
13:11the pouncing the right-wing remember
13:12these are all liberals signing this the
13:14right-wing is exploiting the fact the
13:15cancel culture exists and this is why we
13:17have to fight against cancel culture you
13:19know who's really bad Donald Trump is
13:21also really bad sound Trump has he's a
13:23powerful ally of liberalism okay Donald
13:27Trump has not done anything to stop free
13:29speech in the United States of America
13:30nothing nothing zero things as Donald
13:33Trump done to stop the free speech in
13:35America the Democratic conclusion we
13:37want can be achieved only if we speak
13:39out against the intolerant climate this
13:40has set on all sides so this is very
13:43tepid statement right it's very tepid
13:44statement from the center left to the
13:47left the free exchange of information
13:48and ideas the lifeblood of liberal
13:50society is daily becoming more
13:52constricted
13:53well we have come to expect this on the
13:55radical right since seriousness is also
13:57spreading more widely in our culture
13:59okay I love this
13:59it's the again the entire letter is
14:01about how we have to keep saying the
14:02right the right the right the right okay
14:04the free exchange of information ideas
14:05let me let you know secret folks the
14:08right has not been complicit in this for
14:09a long time
14:10the notion that the right unless you're
14:12talking about like a radical radical
14:13right like you're talking about like the
14:15aunt right or white supremacist or
14:16something if you're talking about like
14:17the mainstream right attempting to shut
14:19down the free exchange of information
14:20ideas that has not been a thing for a
14:22very long time which is why so many
14:24people on the Left have been texting me
14:25from their unique perches at major media
14:28institutions going why am I on your side
14:30why what's going on and I'm saying to
14:33them like listen if you get fired I'll
14:34help you find a job they're coming to me
14:35okay it's not the other way around I've
14:38been standing over here with this flag
14:39for quite a while with guys you don't
14:41get to go well you know the radical
14:42right normally normally does this sort
14:43of stuff but we've been perturbed to
14:45find the left doing this sort of set
14:46guys maybe that was true in like 1966
14:49okay it is not true in 2020 and it
14:51hasn't been true for a very long time
14:53since Orias left those are the people
14:54who are attempting to shut down my
14:55speeches on college campuses or go after
14:57my advertisers or shut down shows like
14:59mine or shut down shows on Fox News or
15:01shut down Rush Limbaugh right that is
15:02what they like what are you talking
15:04about I love this too this creation
15:06listen I'm not even a fan of this letter
15:07okay but the letter goes on right they
15:10say well we have come to expect this on
15:12the radical right sensoria sness is also
15:14spreading more widely in our culture and
15:15intolerance of opposing views a vogue
15:17for public shaming and ostracism and the
15:19tendency to dissolve complex policy
15:21issues in blinding moral certainty we
15:23have pulled the value of robust and even
15:24caustic counter speech from all quarters
15:25but it is now all too common to hear
15:27calls for swift and severe retribution
15:29in response to perceived transgressions
15:31of speech and thought not troubling
15:32still institutional leaders in a spirit
15:34of panic to damage control are
15:36delivering hasty and disproportionate
15:38punishments instead of considered
15:39reforms editors are fired for running
15:41controversial pieces that's referenced
15:42to the New York Times op-ed editor who
15:44is fired fronting in time cotton piece
15:45books are withdrawn for alleged
15:47inauthenticity that is a reference to a
15:49novel called American dirt in which a
15:51woman who was I believe not a Latina
15:54extraction
15:55she wrote a novel about illegal
15:57immigration and it was considered very
15:58very bad because she was not actually an
16:01illegal immigrant
16:01journalists are barred from writing on
16:03certain topics which happens all the
16:04time professors are investigated for
16:05quoting works of litter
16:06in class has happened several times a
16:08researcher is fired for circulating a
16:10peer-reviewed academic study that we
16:11David Shore the heads of organizations
16:12are ousted what are sometimes just
16:14clumsy mistakes that Bibi op-ed editor
16:16the Philadelphia Inquirer or the head of
16:18bone Appetit or the or the guy who is
16:20there trying to now ask from his perch
16:22over at the southern food group or
16:25whatever it is who had committed the
16:27great sin of being a white guy whatever
16:28the arguments around each particular
16:30incident the result has been to steadily
16:31narrow the boundaries of what can be
16:33said without threat of reprisal we're
16:34already paying the price in greater risk
16:36aversion among writers artists and
16:37journalists who fear for their
16:38livelihoods if they depart from the
16:39consensus or even lack sufficient zeal
16:41in agreement this cycling atmosphere
16:43will ultimately harm the most vital
16:44causes of our time the restriction of
16:46debate whether by a repressive
16:47government or an intolerant society
16:49invariably hurts those who lack power it
16:51makes everyone less capable of
16:52democratic participation is all the
16:53letter and Harper signed by again a bevy
16:55of people who are on the left like a
16:57huge solicit maybe 150 people again not
17:00a single one voted for Trump the way to
17:01defeat bad ideas is by exposure argument
17:03and persuasion not by trying to silence
17:05or wish them away we refuse any false
17:07choice between justice and freedom which
17:09cannot exist without each other as
17:11writers we need a culture that leaves us
17:12room for experimentation risk-taking and
17:14even mistakes we need to preserve the
17:16possibility of good-faith disagreement
17:17without dire professional consequences
17:18if we won't defend the very thing on
17:20which our work depends we shouldn't
17:22expect the public or the states to
17:23defend it for us
17:25except for all of the bizarre kind of
17:27slaps at the right that are just virtue
17:29signaling nonsense to their left his
17:30friends don't worry guys we're still on
17:32your side we still agree except for all
17:34of that this is basically just reality I
17:36mean that is just the reality and that
17:38is why you have people ranging from on
17:40the right people like Deirdre McCloskey
17:41all the way to folks like no I'm Chomsky
17:44on the far left right David Brooks and
17:46and no I'm Chomsky Steven Pinker and
17:49aunt Elfie Brahim right I mean at a very
17:52large swath of the laughs right Malcolm
17:55Gladwell all the way to people like
17:58Gloria Steinem and nadine strossen
17:59and so that that's a very big list of
18:02people who are again center to left
18:05what the blowback has been intense and
18:08not shocking not shocking and we'll get
18:11to that blowback in just one second
18:12because it is so telling about where we
18:14are and society that letter which is
18:15pretty straightforwardly of the left
18:18again has it the requisite slaps against
18:19Trump in the requisite slats and it
18:21slaps against the radical rides and the
18:22evil conservatives and all this stuff
18:24that letter is now being ripped up by
18:26the hard political left and in an
18:29attempt to prove the cancel culture
18:30doesn't exist and or is being
18:32exaggerated people on the list are now
18:33coming under pressure to be canceled for
18:35having signed the letter which is just
18:37perfect it's just perfect
18:39culture doesn't exist says the man is he
18:42tries to Club you into submission that's
18:44where we are right now we'll get some
18:45more of this in just one second first
18:47let's talk about the fact that you are
18:48listening to an awful lot of media right
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19:57is intense and huge right the radical
19:59left is like I can't even believe that
20:01people would say that cancel culture is
20:03bad because what the radical left has
20:04been hoping to do is again push and then
20:07gain adherence simply through
20:09intimidation tactics it's like a
20:10snowball you start this enou ball effect
20:12you can sort of get people to stay
20:13silent and then once they've stayed
20:15silent then you can compel them to
20:17repeat the Nostrum so you want them to
20:18repeat and then you can get them to
20:19become part of the mob because better to
20:20be part of mob than to be eaten by the
20:22mob and so here you have an obstacle to
20:24the mob mentality that is now formed on
20:26the radical left to cancel everybody who
20:28disagrees and so you're seeing
20:29journalists reporters or like you know
20:32what his letters real bad
20:33letters real bad Felicia sign meze
20:36Washington Post national political
20:37reporter here's what she wrote she said
20:40there's definitely a debate to be had
20:41about ordinary people whose lives are
20:43turned upside down by a viral moment a
20:44phenomenon that's happening more and
20:45more these days he's not just happening
20:47it's being pushed my places like The
20:49Washington Post and The New York Times
20:50we
20:52how many incidents have we seen they've
20:53been blown up into national stories that
20:55are not even local news rather that that
20:57whole story about the woman in the bird
20:59park who had a racially tinged
21:01conversation but I was kind of nasty a
21:03racially tinged conversation with the
21:04black bird-watching guy right that was a
21:06national story that ran for like five
21:08days on the front page of the New York
21:09Times so don't tell me that this stuff
21:11is just sort of happening it's not just
21:12sort of happening sometimes the
21:14consequences are warranted and sometimes
21:15they're not each case is different
21:16suspicious on mez but high profile
21:18cancellations such as the ones alluded
21:20to in the harper's letter are a
21:20different beast and it's disingenuous to
21:22describe them in such innocuous terms as
21:24the letter does it's not about free
21:26speech it's about words and actions that
21:28harm the vulnerable and this is the line
21:30of cancel culture well I know cancel
21:31culture some of us have been describing
21:32this for years so it's a point of high
21:34irritation to people like me who've been
21:36calling this out for literally years and
21:38exactly the tactics that they are using
21:40and now people are starting to come
21:42around be like nah that's that the
21:44either saying no that's it that's not
21:45real or explicitly saying the thing I've
21:48been saying they're saying hey I give us
21:49I gave testimony in Congress in the
21:52Congressional Record and which I
21:53explicitly talked about the attempt to
21:55treat speech as violence right they when
21:58I was when I was at Berkeley people were
22:00literally chanting speech is violence
22:02because the idea is that if I say
22:04something that is that you don't like I
22:06have done it violence to you I've macro
22:08aggressive and therefore you're allowed
22:09to perform physical violence on me and
22:11or harm me or my career right that is
22:13what you're allowed to do because my
22:14words hurt your feelings and if I hurt
22:16your feelings I've done you harm its
22:19words or actions that harm the
22:20vulnerable now the beautiful thing about
22:22that standard is there is no way to
22:24disprove it because
22:25do you prove that words her mul knurl
22:27when we were all kids we used to hear
22:29sticks and stones may break your bones
22:30but words may never hurt me but we have
22:32decided to know that words aren't actual
22:33weapons words are things that hurt you
22:35and if something hurts you you're
22:36allowed to fight back the proper
22:38response to being hurt is to punch back
22:39and terror and to defend yourself and
22:41thus canceling someone and ruining their
22:43career or ruining their life getting
22:45getting them fired for no apparent
22:47reason oh you're doing this defend
22:48yourself from a farm and this is again a
22:51Washington Post a national political
22:52reporter not a not bad editor and she
22:55says a key component to the whole notion
22:56of canceled culture seems to be the
22:58denial or dismissal of that very harm as
23:00though sexual assault racial epithets
23:03and the marginalization of trans people
23:04were all frivolous things just part of
23:06some intellectual exercise okay hold on
23:08you just lump together
23:10sexual assault and the quote unquote
23:12marginalization of trans people if you
23:14are now ik waiting an attempted rape
23:16with I used the proper biological
23:19pronoun to describe a person I have a
23:21feeling that you are the problem here
23:23intellectually that's it that's a
23:25horrifying equation instead of thinking
23:28of the canceled as figures whose merits
23:30and flaws can be weighed in a vacuum
23:31why not view them within the context in
23:33which they actually exist as figures
23:34whose actually may be putting their
23:35co-workers or students or others around
23:37them at risk ah so here now we get to
23:39the crux right we can't say actually
23:41view people with their merits and flaws
23:43in a vacuum we can't view them as
23:44individuals we in the name of social
23:46justice we have to view them for the
23:47impacts their words have had this is one
23:49of the nostrils of the social justice
23:50movement one of the Nostrum says that
23:52intent doesn't matter only effect
23:54matters so if you say something
23:55perfectly innocuous and somebody else
23:57feels harmed by that that is still your
23:59fault this is one of the key points of
24:00the anti racism white fragility movement
24:03so that absolutely in table
24:06right there that's Washington Post
24:07national political reporter so part of
24:09the blowback is you don't get to claim
24:10anything about canceled culture because
24:12absolutely you're hurting people with
24:14your speech your speech is hurting
24:15people so your cancel cancel culture is
24:17good it's not just it's not just it both
24:19exists it both does not exist and it's
24:21also good is the argument that is being
24:23made right now it doesn't exist but also
24:25if it is happening it's because it's not
24:27canceled culture it's just awesomeness
24:28and get to more of this and the blowback
24:31and the predictable and the predictable
24:32walk back from some of the people who
24:34signed the letter in just a second first
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25:43you okay so the blowback again continues
25:45a journalist for The New York Times in
25:47Varanasi he she writes the letter right
25:51this Harper's letter was shaped slash
25:52spearheaded from conversations by for a
25:54privileged white men apparently they
25:56felt entitled it's really weigh in on
25:57racism diversity and inclusion that says
26:00it all um actually some of the key
26:03figures it was spearheaded by a writer
26:05at Thomas Jefferson Williams it was a
26:07black man so that is not actually true
26:09but again cancel the letter because too
26:12many white people involved too many
26:14white people involved and then the
26:15canceling will continue apace
26:18Matthew Iglesias who I am not a fan of
26:21as you will recall I have referred to
26:23him on the show repeatedly as the Ralph
26:24Wiggum of the internet so I'm I do not
26:27think you can count me in the Iglesias
26:29fan pack Hey how far is left gone they
26:31forced me into now defending Matthew
26:34Iglesias so well done everybody all the
26:37way around just really well done stuff
26:39there's a writer named Emily vanderwerff
26:43was a transwoman which is to say a
26:44biological man who says she is one who
26:46says he is a woman hey and she and this
26:49person writes to the editors of ox it
26:52tries to go over the head of Matthew
26:53Iglesias report of what the editors of
26:55ox came to the editors as a trans woman
26:58who very much values for position at Fox
27:00and the support the publication has
27:01given her through the emotional and
27:03physical turmoil of transition I was
27:05deeply saddened to see Matt Iglesias his
27:06signature on the Harper's Weekly letter
27:08now you may be saying yourself wait a
27:09second trans stuff isn't even mentioned
27:11in that letter like I just read the
27:13entire text of the letter to you out
27:14loud not once our trans issues mentioned
27:16not a single solitary time but says
27:19Emily vanderwerff Matt is of course
27:22entitled to his own opinion I know he's
27:24a more nuanced thinker than signing the
27:26letter would suggest thinner more
27:27nuanced thinker is just a suggestion
27:29that he didn't really know what you were
27:30signing there's no nuance to let her
27:32know there is nuance to the letter you
27:34just don't like what the letter says
27:36well I just say it write more you're not
27:39nuanced enough is a way for somebody on
27:40the left to basically sneer at you in
27:43derision and paternalistic concern for
27:45your stupidity and so Emily vanderwerff
27:48again this was written too mad at Glacia
27:49sat the editor is it at the advice where
27:51he's co-founder right has never been
27:53anything but kind to me and has often
27:54supported my work publicly all of which
27:56I'm extremely grateful for but but the
27:59letter signed as it is by several
28:01prominent anti-trans voices and
28:02containing as many dog whistles sort of
28:04anti-trans positions as it does ideally
28:06would not have been signed by anybody at
28:08Vox much less one of the most prominent
28:09people at our publication again Matt's
28:11opinions and experiences are his own he
28:13can do what he wants with his free time
28:14but his signature being on the letter
28:16makes me feel less safe at box ah there
28:19it is there it is
28:21all you have to do is just wait for it
28:23for like seven sentences eight sentences
28:24every time every time they cancel
28:27culture warriors they go - oh I feel
28:28unsafe you know what you should do you
28:30should really start something I think
28:31you can call it maybe like the Committee
28:33on Public Safety you can call it the
28:34Committee on Public Safety and then you
28:37can just go around canceling people and
28:39if you don't really it really if you got
28:40a problem you just behead them in fact
28:42like the Committee on Public Safety
28:44which was a four
28:46we're not hitting the reference this
28:47ended in an overt reference to the
28:50French Revolution the Committee of
28:51Public Safety was the provisional
28:53government of France during the reign of
28:54terror that's why I'm making the
28:55reference you can call it the Committee
28:57on Public Safety because your safety has
28:58been threatened don't you see you've
28:59been threatened by the fact that Mathieu
29:01Iglesias signed on to an extraordinarily
29:02anodyne letter about the evils of
29:04council culture and you can say well you
29:06know as a trans woman I now feel
29:08threatened so the letter can
29:10simultaneously suggest that the person
29:11that you're writing about quote has
29:12never been anything but kind to me and
29:14has often supported my work publicly but
29:16also his opinion that makes me feel less
29:19safe so so unsafe so much unsafe miss
29:22happening well they used the exact same
29:24excuse by the way for firing Kevin
29:26Williamson at the Atlantic right they
29:27hired Kevin Williamson at the Atlantic
29:28and then a bunch of feminists said I
29:30feel unsafe that Kevin Williamson has
29:32been hired at the Atlantic he said in
29:33like his he's sitting on his house in in
29:36Texas you never met any of these people
29:38like I feel so unsafe I'm feeling so
29:40unsafe really did you send a death
29:42threat to you did you leave like an
29:43anonymous phone call on your phone what
29:45exactly did he do what did mad at
29:46Glacius do to emily vanderwerff did you
29:49call this person up on their phone and
29:50say I think that you are a biological
29:53man and therefore I dismiss your
29:56existence like what exactly is the big
29:57threatening thing Matt Iglesias did he
29:59didn't say anything about trans stuff
30:00Matt Iglesias agrees with this person on
30:02trans policies he's written about it
30:04extensively okay look what are you what
30:07but apparently it's a threat to safety
30:08for this person to even appear on a list
30:11of people like JK Rowling as JK Rowling
30:15said wow that's really what this letter
30:16is this particular blowback is about JK
30:17Rowling who said that biological women
30:19exist which by the way is not a
30:21threatening position I'm sorry it is not
30:22a threat to your safety for me to point
30:24out that a biological man is in fact a
30:26biological man and not a woman okay that
30:28is not a threat to your safety I'm not
30:30saying anything bad should happen to you
30:31I think anybody who tries to threaten
30:34you should go to jail right the law
30:35applies to you just as it applies to
30:37everyone else but the idea is if you
30:38disagree with you if you make me feel
30:40lesser if you make me feel bad then
30:42you've threatened my safety and you have
30:44threatened my safety your words are more
30:47damaging than me ruining your career or
30:49going or going to the editors at your
30:50publication and publicly it's back by
30:52the way let me just say this Matt
30:54Iglesias you're the co-founder of box if
30:56somebody at my organization said
30:58something like this
30:59like put out a public letter suggesting
31:01that I had threatened their safety for
31:02an opinion of mine
31:03it'll be out on their ass the next day I
31:04would fire them the next day the next
31:06day because let me explain I run my
31:09publication okay and I'm not gonna take
31:12crap from staffers who believe that
31:13opinions are threatening to safety I'm
31:17not gonna be accused of threatening
31:18someone's safety for signing onto an
31:19anodyne opinion about how council
31:21culture is generally bad
31:23Emily vanderwerff says his signature on
31:25the letter makes me feel less safe at
31:27box and believe slightly less in its
31:28stated goals of building more diverse in
31:30more thoughtful workplace on a more
31:31practical level the presence of math
31:33suites and his signature to a letter
31:34like this do make my job slightly more
31:36difficult do they do they really as it
31:39would be readers and sources who often
31:41equate my positions with his after all
31:43he remains one of our most prominent
31:44staffers I don't want Matt to be
31:46reprimands or fired or even asked to
31:48submit an apology doing any of the above
31:50would only solidify in his own mind the
31:52idea that he's being martyred for his
31:53beliefs but I do want to make clear that
31:54those beliefs cost him nothing they are
31:56not particularly risky they're not
31:58particularly sound even I'm used to
32:00hearing them from people who believe my
32:01own lived experiences pale in comparison
32:03to their own momentary social media
32:06discomfort I'm sorry to find that among
32:07those voices okay and no point at a
32:09Glacia is compare his experiences in
32:10life to this Emily under more character
32:12I mean it's just it's amazing it's
32:14amazing so calling out Matthew Iglesias
32:16publicly these Matthew Glacius was bad
32:19enough to sign this letter it well this
32:21this sort of pressure which is bubbled
32:23up again there's nothing in the letter
32:25it's about trans people not a single
32:26thing in the letter in fact the letter
32:29basically says we are members of the
32:30left we support if you just read that
32:32letter in any objective way what you
32:34would come away with is they support all
32:35of the propaganda put forth by the trans
32:37movement generally right JK Rowling is
32:39on the letter because it doesn't make
32:40that explicit but the whole thing is
32:42about social justice and equality and we
32:44hate Trump and all of this like if you
32:45just read that letter without knowing
32:47any of the signatories there's no way
32:49you could possibly come away with the
32:50opinion that the people who wrote that
32:51letter do anything except support the
32:54idea that a biological man can become a
32:55woman right I mean that just does not
32:57exist in the text of the letter but
32:58what's hilarious is that there are these
33:00tweets that are going around things like
33:01one of the things you should think about
33:02in that letter are are you responsible
33:04for the actions and opinions of people
33:06who are also signatories to the letter
33:08should we assume that if you're mad at
33:10Glacius you now agree with JK Rowling on
33:12trans issues of course not that's the
33:14stupidest thing I've ever heard in my
33:15entire life should we assume that
33:17Matthew Iglesias is also a Cambodian
33:19genocide denier like Noam Chomsky like
33:21no if I sign on to a letter with a bunch
33:23of other people the text of the letter
33:24is what we have in common okay that's it
33:26is nothing else there is no way to
33:28compute any other agreements on any
33:30other issue other than the letter that
33:33we have commonly signed right there
33:35what in the world but what does this
33:36result and it results in people starting
33:38to pull down their support so one of the
33:40original signatories was a person named
33:42Jennifer Finney Boylan who's a trans
33:43person a Trent I believe Jenna correct I
33:46believe that Jennifer I'm gonna look it
33:48up just to make sure but Jennifer Finney
33:49Boylan writes for The New York Times and
33:51is in fact a Trent yeah a transgender
33:53activist professor at Barnard College of
33:55a Columbia University and this person
33:58put out a statement quote I did not know
34:00who else had signed that letter I
34:01thought I was endorsing a well-meaning
34:03if vague message against internet
34:04shaming I didn't know Chomsky Steinem an
34:06Atwood were in and I thought good
34:07company first of all this demonstrates
34:09your perspective when you think that
34:10Noam Chomsky is good company and Gloria
34:12Steinem is great company but says
34:13Jennifer Finney Boylan the consequences
34:15are mind to bear I am so sorry I'm so
34:19sorry so out of fear of being canceled
34:23and being ostracized by the trans rights
34:25community a trans person we signed on to
34:28the letter now has to now has to
34:29apologize hey then there's a person
34:31named Kerry Greenidge Kerry greenage is
34:34one of the signatories and I believe is
34:38the Mellon assistant professor in the
34:40department of studies of race
34:41colonialism and diaspora at Tufts
34:43University and so this is a person very
34:45much I've left so Kerry Greenidge signed
34:47the letter and then wrote in a tweet I
34:49do not endorse this harper's letter i'm
34:51in contact with harper's about a
34:52retraction so people are now walking
34:55this stuff back right
34:57walk it back because the blowback
34:58canceled culture isn't real and also you
35:00will be canceled if you sign a letter
35:01saying the canceled culture is real
35:03really well done everyone
35:05really well done well get to more of
35:07this by the way there's a whole cadre of
35:08people who'll never be cancelled we'll
35:10get to the cadre of people will never be
35:11cancelled in just a second and I'll
35:13point out a couple of outstanding
35:15instances of how canceled culture comes
35:17for us all like death and taxes in just
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37:09apparently isn't real but also is so
37:10real too
37:11are afraid of saying that it's an saying
37:13that's real well you if you say
37:16Beetlejuice three times cancel culture
37:17appears is basically how this goes we're
37:19gonna get to that in just one second
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37:54okay so how about is canceled culture
37:56cancel culture is so bad that we have
37:57now cancelled acting and also research
37:59these are a couple things that we have
38:00cancelled but don't worry it doesn't
38:01exist and if you mentioned it exists
38:03then you are a threat to somebody else's
38:05safety there are threats of somebody
38:06else's safety so how do we just cancel
38:08acting well we've had in the past
38:09what couple of years several
38:11high-profile actresses who have been
38:13told that they are not allowed to play
38:14trans people and if you want to cast a
38:16trans person the person has to be trans
38:18so in other words let's say that you
38:19want to play a trans man which means a
38:21biological woman who believes that that
38:23she is a male let's say that you want to
38:25play that and you are a biological woman
38:27which seems like it checks most of the
38:29marks for playing a biological woman
38:31like last I checked playing a biological
38:33woman who believes she's a man that
38:36seems like you should be able to play
38:37that if you're a biological woman
38:38correct like just putting it out there
38:40all right that's like saying you have a
38:42black person who believes in a
38:44particular cause so if you're a black
38:46person you should be able to play that
38:47person even if you don't necessarily
38:49believe in that political closet I mean
38:50that that's called thing guys okay so
38:54but here you can fulfill the physical
38:56criteria
38:57and because again biological woman
38:59playing biological woman so apparently
39:03not we've had a couple of situations in
39:05the recent past in which this has not
39:06been the case
39:07first of all just pointing out from
39:09Hollywood's perspective if you are not a
39:11trans person and you play a trans person
39:13in any iteration win an Oscar or Elise
39:15nominated for one right surely don't
39:17want an Oscar like a couple of years ago
39:19for Dallas buyers club playing a trans
39:20person and I believe Eddie Redmayne was
39:23was nominated for an Oscar for playing a
39:24trans person a couple of years ago so
39:26it's pretty much gold ticket to Oscar
39:28him but not anymore not anymore now it's
39:29all stopped Scarlett Johansson you'll
39:31recall about a year ago was supposed to
39:32play a trans person in a movie those I
39:34think called rub-and-tug
39:35or something and the movie was canceled
39:38because Scarlett Johansson is in fact a
39:40woman a biological woman who does not
39:42believe that she is a biological man and
39:43therefore not trans hey Halle Berry just
39:45went through the same thing so Halle
39:46Berry was about to be cast in a story
39:48about a trans man meaning a biological
39:50woman and now she's pulled out of this
39:53her is the statement she released with
39:55the full malice struggle session
39:56attached this is the best acting frankly
39:58that Halle Berry has done since monster
39:59monsters balls right here in this
40:00statement first of all I'm also gonna
40:02need an explanation on why Halle Berry
40:04was able to play in x-men character when
40:07she's fat she's in fact not a mutant if
40:09she actually is not a mutant and yet
40:11she's playing a mutant who can shoot
40:12lightning from her from her fingertips
40:13I'm gonna need like an explanation as to
40:16the bigotry against lightning fingertips
40:17mutants anyway Halle Berry says over the
40:20weekend I had the opportunity to discuss
40:22my consideration of an upcoming role as
40:24a transgender man I'd like to apologize
40:26for those remarks as a cisgender woman I
40:28now understand I should not have
40:29considered this role and that the
40:31transgender community should undeniably
40:33have the opportunity to tell their own
40:34stories okay by the way this is now two
40:37oscar-winning actresses who would have
40:39greatly increased the profile of the
40:41trans movement who have now been
40:43cancelled or even considering these
40:45roles I'm grateful for the guidance and
40:46critical conversations over the past few
40:48days and I will continue to listen
40:49educate and learn from this mistake man
40:52these now struggle sessions they are
40:53they are not entertaining I will say
40:55that I vowed to be an ally in using my
40:57voice from a better representation on
40:58screen both in front of and behind the
41:00camera so acting is now against the law
41:02we can we can
41:04we can only have by the way I'm about to
41:07make a joke but it's not actually a job
41:08we can only have somebody who's a
41:09quadriplegic play a quadriplegic that's
41:12a thing that actually was discussed
41:13right about Ballack breaking bad guy
41:16right breaking bad guy was supposed to
41:18what's his name name of the actor Brian
41:22hunter and Bryan Cranston
41:23he plays a quadriplegic in a movie and
41:24people like why didn't you cast an
41:26actual quadriplegic because it's acting
41:29you idiots
41:29we're now cancelling acting well they're
41:33casting upcoming Peter Pan and a friend
41:35of mine online Steven Miller not the one
41:37who works for Trump Stephen Miller
41:39tweeted out what why exactly are we
41:41considering somebody who isn't naturally
41:42hook-handed to play Captain Hook he's
41:45apparently they're considering Jude Law
41:46to play Captain Hook he's been cast but
41:48captain he doesn't know the pain of
41:50having to live with an actual hook hand
41:52we need to cast somebody who actually
41:53has a hook Brad and we need like the guy
41:56that we need that that cleric from
41:57London there's a hook for a hand to play
41:58Captain Hook that's the only way that we
42:00can really make this thing happen it's
42:02just incredible so everyone will be
42:03canceled the canceled culture comes for
42:05everyone Halle Berry is canceled other
42:07people or cancel so Princeton University
42:10they have they have a group of faculty
42:11who are now demanding I'm not kidding
42:13you a committee to investigate research
42:15and publications for racism hey this is
42:18crazy and by the way the sort of stuff
42:20does exist already we've seen cases in
42:21which Brown University for example hold
42:23down a full-on study about rapid onset
42:26gender dysphoria because there were so
42:27many people to school her mad at the
42:29research the research was bad she had to
42:31pull it down because there was somebody
42:32there who pointed out by correctly that
42:35there's been a rapid rise in the number
42:36of young females who are identifying as
42:38trans and it seems to be run run this
42:39mentality seems to run roughshod from
42:41small social groups he have one girl
42:42with a bunch of friends they all have
42:44other problems and one of the girls says
42:46I'm trans and suddenly many of them are
42:48saying they're trans rapid onset gender
42:49dysphoria it's fairly well substantiated
42:51at this point this researcher from Brown
42:53had her study pulled down and the school
42:55basically apologized for the study so
42:56research was being censored we're
42:57singing out my friend Abigail Schreyer
42:59graduate of Yale Law
43:01hey Abigail Abigail wrote a book about
43:04rapid onset gender dysphoria and amazon
43:07quickly sends her to any advertisement
43:08for it a research is now being silent so
43:10the on July 4th a roughly 4,000 word
43:13open letter signed by hundreds of
43:15members of the Princeton University
43:16faculty was sent to the president
43:18Provost Dean's and members of the
43:19cabinet of the university listing a
43:20series of demands related to racial
43:22justice including a committee composed
43:24entirely of faculty that would oversee
43:26the investigation and discipline of
43:28racist behaviors incidents research and
43:30publication on the part of faculty so
43:32now you're going to have a racially
43:35diverse Committee on Public Safety over
43:37at Princeton University that is going to
43:40go through and decide what sort of
43:42research is okay what sort of research
43:45is okay
43:47of actions also demanded acknowledged
43:49credit and intensifies anti-racist
43:51student activism such acknowledgement
43:53should at a minimum take the form of
43:54repair or reparative action beginning
43:56with a formal public university apology
43:57to the members of the Black Justice
43:59League and their allies other demands
44:02include nominating no fewer than two
44:03faculty members of color for annual
44:05elections 2 C 3 C 7 and committees on
44:07diversity commit to anti-racist campus
44:11iconography beginning with the removal
44:12of the John wither since Witherspoon
44:14statute Wetherspoon is considered maybe
44:15the founder of Princeton University but
44:18he held slaves and therefore we have to
44:20remove the statue
44:22and then the letter concludes we
44:24understand some of these suggestions are
44:26implementable now others will require
44:27more time to enact we would be grateful
44:29for the opportunity to meet with you to
44:30discuss the measures and actions
44:31proposed to rent and expedience timeline
44:33so again the worst demand here is that
44:36they're going to constitute committee
44:38composed entirely of faculty that would
44:40oversee the investigation and discipline
44:42of racist behaviour racism is not
44:43defined in this document for grievance
44:45and appeal to be spelled out in rules
44:46and procedures of the faculty guidelines
44:48on what counts as racist behavior
44:50incidents research and publication will
44:52be authored by a faculty committee for
44:54incorporation into the same set of rules
44:55and procedures so in other words my ADA
44:57grants a blank check that we can call
44:58racist whomever we want and shut down
45:00and shut down anybody who participates
45:03in behavior we now deem as racist
45:04including research and publication ok if
45:08you think that this is not a threat to
45:09freedom of thought and freedom its
45:10feature out of your mind or out of your
45:12mind and thus I will admit that I am
45:15grateful for the simple fact if you are
45:17in a position of public power and just
45:19say no just say no to cancel culture
45:21guys just like you should have said no
45:22to drugs in the nineteen eighties just
45:24say no to cancel cultures if your
45:25prominent enough you can say no and you
45:27know what nobody can do anything about
45:29it
45:29JK Rowling saying no is important
45:31because she refused to be cancelled and
45:33thus she has not cancelled you know who
45:35else they're trying to cancel these days
45:36of course Zuckerberg over at Facebook so
45:38they're these organizations leftist
45:40left-wing organizations or attempting to
45:42shut the door to free speech on Facebook
45:44by basically trying to club
45:46organizations but big corporations into
45:49pulling their advertisement from
45:50Facebook until Facebook restrict speech
45:51to the preferred forms of speech that
45:54are approved by wild leftist groups like
45:57the ADL and Color of Change
46:00the group's had a get-together with Mark
46:04Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg over at
46:05Facebook trying to basically blackmail
46:07into changing Zuckerberg position on
46:09free speech I distinguishes Zuckerberg
46:11from the other leaders of these of these
46:12groups because Zuckerberg has openly
46:14committed to free speech and he's not
46:16taken the sort of censorious positions
46:17of many of these other social media
46:19leaders I mean it's been very public
46:20about this but apparently civil rights
46:22leaders called meeting very
46:23disappointing and blasted Facebook for
46:25being functionally flawed in a media
46:27call after the meeting where Schad
46:28robinson head of color of change said of
46:30facebook's executives they showed up to
46:31the meeting expecting an A for
46:32attendance attending alone is not enough
46:35Facebook said in a statement the groups
46:37want Facebook to be free of hate speech
46:38and so do we
46:39they said they were taking the steps to
46:41keep hate off the platform they said we
46:43know we'll be judged by our actions that
46:44not bad words but bottom line is that
46:46once you cave once you start keeping to
46:48the woke social justice warriors they
46:50expect you to constantly cave right it
46:52never stops you'll be rolled into the
46:54snowball and the snowball we push
46:55downhill you just have to go along with
46:56all of this I'll point out at Facebook
46:59refusing to go along with all of this
47:00it's having no impact on stock price is
47:03why I say you can just say no to cancel
47:04culture you can and you should investors
47:07are not worried about the advertisers
47:09boycotting Facebook the fact is from
47:11what I understand Facebook actually
47:12makes most of its money because small
47:14businesses use it for advertising not
47:15because you have major corporations
47:17dropping a couple mil Hillar here or
47:19there on advertising Facebook shares hit
47:21an all-time high for the company on the
47:23same day that they were being boycotted
47:24so cancel culture doesn't actually work
47:26right that's the dirty little secret is
47:27that unless you are a low-level employee
47:29and can actually be bullied into being
47:30fired right then cancel culture doesn't
47:32work all these organizations have to do
47:34is just say no we're not gonna do it
47:35we're not gonna do it
47:36you're only cancelled if you agree to be
47:37canceled there's there's one other group
47:40of people who are never canceled and
47:42that is if your radical left enough
47:43nothing you do will ever be even called
47:45up for question by the canceled culture
47:47because the right does not have the
47:48capacity to cancel the left and the left
47:50does not have the capacity to cancel the
47:51right so ironically enough the people
47:53who are most vulnerable are the people
47:54in the center of our politics so if
47:57you're a centrist and you are working in
47:58a left-wing organization
48:01chat you get canceled if you're a right
48:02winger you're probably not working in a
48:03left-wing organization right you're
48:04vulnerable if you work for a left-wing
48:06organization but right-wingers and left
48:08wingers have basically self polarized at
48:09this point so that means people in the
48:10center are the most vulnerable if you're
48:12on the right and you're in your living
48:13being on the right you're not gonna get
48:14cancelled by the right if you're on the
48:16left and you're on your living from the
48:17left the right has no capacity to cancel
48:19you and the left doesn't care about
48:20cancelling you because anything and
48:22everything you do and say that is bad
48:23and terrible it's perfectly acceptable
48:25right you'll never be canceled ever and
48:28the agenda never stops on the radical
48:29left because let's be real about this
48:31cancel culture is just the is just the
48:33club with which the social justice
48:34warriors who hope to remould all of
48:36American society in their image beat
48:38people into submission that's all that's
48:40happening here and the crusade is very
48:41clear right the goal here is very very
48:43obvious so Chama Salman was a socialist
48:46city council member of Seau she was
48:47considered an oddity way back when when
48:49I was doing a Sean Casey th radio Sean
48:51Casey th back in 2014 she was mostly
48:53considered just this kooky oddity we
48:55said weird things about how we need to
48:56demilitarize Boeing and we're gonna
48:58occupy Boeing and all this kind of crazy
48:59crap she was pushing $15 minimum wage
49:01and now she has considered sort of a a
49:04rabble-rousing leader on the Seattle
49:05City Council she made clear immediately
49:09after basically you know getting chided
49:12by Mayor Jenny zirkon for trying to lead
49:15a revolution after passing an Amazon tax
49:17which has a head tax and Amazon
49:18employees which will help drive Amazon
49:20out of the city Shona Solomon said I'm
49:22coming for all the fortune 500 companies
49:24we're coming after all of them and we're
49:26coming after capitalism generally the
49:27agenda is pretty obvious here it has
49:29nothing to do with making the country
49:30better and everything to do with
49:31overthrowing the system entirely we are
49:34fighting for far more than this tax we
49:37are preparing the ground for a different
49:39kind of society and if you Jeff Bezos
49:42want to drive that process forward by
49:45lashing out against us in our modest
49:47demands then so be it because we are
49:50coming for you and your rotten system we
49:54are coming to dismantle this deeply
49:56oppressive racist sexist violent utterly
50:00bankrupt system of capitalism this
50:02police state she's never gonna be
50:05cancelled because for the left none of
50:08this is cancelable right what counts as
50:10a cancelable offense is the big question
50:11here the left things that unite counts
50:13it's cancelable offenses include
50:15everything in America should be torn
50:16down or out in your ears and also maybe
50:18violent criminal activity I mean the
50:19left won't even cancel people who engage
50:21in looting they're trying to bail them
50:22out in the middle of the riots and illa
50:24had Omar will not be canceled for
50:25suggesting we have to rip down the
50:26entire economic and political system of
50:28the United States and the representative
50:30from Minnesota who was taken in by the
50:33most glorious nation in human history
50:34the United States after living a
50:36childhood in war-torn Somalia has come
50:38to the United States and decided that
50:40the entire US system must be taken down
50:42hey she's an American citizen she's
50:44entitled to her opinion this is also a
50:46horrific ly I would say terrible and
50:49particularly ungrateful position to take
50:51about a country it took in you and your
50:53family from one of the worst hell holes
50:55on earth and Somalia there is no way to
50:56define it as a non hellhole it is a
50:58hellhole okay like that that is just
51:00what is it is a war-torn hellhole it has
51:01been for decades and she comes here and
51:04is taken in and she's an American
51:05citizen just as American as you or I but
51:07her position on Americans that America
51:09sucks it needs to be torn down all of
51:11the pillars have to be torn out as long
51:14as our economy and political systems
51:17prioritize profit without considering
51:21who is profiting who is being shut out
51:24we will perpetuate this inequality so we
51:29cannot stop at criminal justice system
51:31we must begin the work of dismantling
51:34the whole system of oppression wherever
51:38we find it okay so she won't be canceled
51:41obviously because too much had left
51:42agrees with this basic premise other
51:44people who will not be cancelled include
51:45why were Eagles wide receiver DeSean
51:47Jackson reposted a quote saying that
51:48white Jews will blackmail and extort
51:50America and quoted Louis Farrakhan and
51:51then apparently quoted Hitler right
51:54featured Nancy's met a quote on his
51:55social media feed he attributed it Adolf
51:56Hitler DeSean Jackson um and people are
51:59like well we have to inform him and
52:01tried him the Eagles put out some
52:02ridiculous statements suggesting we've
52:04had a talk with DeSean Jackson let's put
52:05it this way it's a challenge Jackson
52:06were white and quote and Hitler how long
52:08do you think he'd be in the NFL like
52:10gone right but if you're on the if
52:12you're on the proper woke side of the
52:14aisle like ice cube you can be as Anne
52:16siese Americans you want to be the last
52:17hatred that is allowed in the United
52:19States is hatred of Jews obviously in
52:22sort of the traditional Canon of hatred
52:24of groups you can you as long as you're
52:26on the right side you'll never be
52:27canceled so
52:28the way that this works it meanwhile I
52:31want to make a quick note here about
52:33covet 19 deaths so coca 19 deaths spiked
52:37yesterday in terms of the numbers that
52:38we saw it's hard to tell what that
52:40spiked from yesterday is really
52:41attributable to a big spike that has
52:43happened in deaths or anything was
52:45something like 900 and some deaths
52:47yesterday from COBIT or whether that is
52:49just reporting after the long weekend
52:50meaning that that was reporting from
52:52Tuesday and there was a three-day
52:53weekend so a lot of people didn't go
52:55into the hospital some of those deaths
52:56didn't get reported and so they're
52:57usually this usually happens right the
52:59Monday count is usually pretty low
53:00because you're getting reporting from
53:01Sunday and then the Tuesday count is a
53:03little bit higher and then the Wednesday
53:04count is typically higher than that so
53:06we'll keep an eye on on that obviously
53:09as I've been saying we should continue
53:11to be careful but I'm still cautiously
53:13optimistic the death rates have declined
53:14pretty significantly and we will keep
53:16you informed should any of that change
53:18in in radical fashion okay we'll be back
53:20here tomorrow for much more content so
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