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0:00Morning people, welcome back to F
0:01Politics. Now, you've already seen this.
0:02>> I've got nothing against Pakistanis, but
0:04some of my best friends are Pakistanis.
0:06>> But that's because I begged Nel Abbey to
0:08release that part of the Upper E debate
0:10footage early because that part was god
0:12damn hilarious. But the full footage,
0:14which has now been released, shows you
0:16the tragedy that is Leyla Cunningham,
0:18the Reform Party's candidate for London
0:20Mayor. I think I'd call that tragedy
0:22Leyla Cunningham, the Islamophobic
0:23Muslim of Reform. And it's tragic
0:25because her back story is bad ass. Like,
0:28this is how she presented herself to a
0:30largely black audience in London.
0:32>> Well, my name's Leyla Cunningham.
0:34Uh I was born and raised uh in Kilburn.
0:36At around the age of 11, 12, I was this
0:38tall and I found basketball and it
0:41became an obsession of mine. Posters of
0:43Michael Jordan
0:44>> I giggled at that part because we're 30
0:46seconds into a Reform Party politician
0:48trying to win over a black audience and
0:50she's talking about how much she loves
0:51basketball and Michael Jordan. But carry
0:53on.
0:53>> My son's been a victim of knife crime.
0:56A guy went up to him under our house and
0:57said, "Give me your phone." And forced
0:59him to walk about 15 minutes with him
1:00until the phone cleared. He thought,
1:02"Mom, he was going to put me in a car
1:04and kill me." My other kids were victims
1:06of
1:08youth in balaclava who pursued them
1:10daily stealing their phones. And the
1:12police told me there weren't enough
1:13resources to investigate. So, I had a
1:16baby at the time. I put him in a baby
1:17carrier and I followed them. I followed
1:19them. I went to all the shops and I told
1:20the shops, "If you sell these
1:22stolen phones, you're an accomplice."
1:23And I did the dirty work for the police
1:25cuz they couldn't to protect my
1:26children. Press called me vigilante mom,
1:29which is kind of cool, but I shouldn't
1:30have to risk my life to protect my
1:32children. And that's really why I got
1:33into politics.
1:34>> Like, that's some superhero She
1:36was basically Brixton Batman. So, you
1:38would expect that somebody who went into
1:39politics with that origin story would be
1:42doing good. And Nel Abbey, the host,
1:44picked up on that.
1:45>> That's not a bad pitch.
1:47Are you with me? That's not a bad pitch
1:48at all.
1:49This is a black and brown room. Can I
1:50give you a gift?
1:53Get rid of the racism. You You don't
1:55strike me as a somebody who's who's
1:57signed up to this sort of stuff. You
1:59don't come across as, to put it mildly,
2:01you're not Kemi-ish.
2:02>> So, why is somebody like that in Reform?
2:04Well, she admits it.
2:05>> I joined Reform when I knew I'd lose my
2:07council seat.
2:07>> Okay.
2:08>> Because Westminster Reform is not strong
2:10in Westminster. And you know,
2:11>> She literally says that she had a
2:12greater chance of political success in
2:15the Reform Party than in the
2:16Conservative Party. So, it literally
2:18wasn't because they aligned with her
2:19values, it's because she couldn't have a
2:21job if she stayed with the Tories. Like,
2:23there is a reason why the only non-white
2:25Prime Minister we've had and the only
2:27female Prime Minister we've had have
2:28both been on the right of politics.
2:30Because systems of patriarchy, systems
2:32of white supremacy will only allow those
2:35black and brown people or those women to
2:37succeed if they support those systems of
2:39white supremacy and patriarchy. So, the
2:41path to success for women and ethnic
2:43minorities is easier on the right. And
2:45now we have Leyla Hussein a brown woman
2:47literally saying, "I moved further to
2:49the right because it gave me a greater
2:51chance of success." So, how did she take
2:53her backstory and mold it to make it fit
2:55Reform? Well, she was a prosecutor.
2:57>> That the most amount of people that I
2:59prosecuted in Westminster were people
3:01from Egypt or the Middle East.
3:02>> White people make up 83% of the
3:04prosecutions in the UK and they have a
3:06higher conviction rate, which means that
3:08even the 7 and 6% of black and brown
3:10people who were prosecuted in the UK are
3:13more likely to be found innocent. Now,
3:15I'm not denying that Middle Eastern
3:16people might have made up a
3:17disproportionate number of the
3:19prosecutions that she had in her part of
3:21London, but that probably just reflects
3:23the demographic in her part of London.
3:25You probably get fairly different
3:26results in rural Wales. And yet she
3:28keeps using this line
3:29>> That's not racist, it's the truth and
3:31it's data-driven.
3:32>> No, it's not, mate. But that's her jump
3:33off for saying that I knew that ethnic
3:35minorities were a problem and the Reform
3:37Party is the party that lets me say
3:39that. But here's the thing, she knows
3:40that's Because during her
3:42backstory, she's complaining about how
3:44the facilities that she had that allowed
3:46her to play basketball aren't there now
3:49for her kids.
3:50>> There has been a correlation between the
3:51lack of youth activity and youth crime.
3:55>> Which means that she's aware of the link
3:56between poverty, a lack of opportunity,
3:59and people turning to crime. That's why
4:00in Glasgow, which used to be the murder
4:02capital of Europe because of all the
4:03knife crime, when they treated it as a
4:05public health issue and actually
4:06addressed the lack of opportunity and
4:08the poverty among young boys, they
4:10massively addressed the problem. But in
4:11typical reform fashion, they're really
4:13good at pointing out the problem, but
4:15they're the reason why that problem
4:16exists. For example, in terms of the
4:18poverty that has driven people towards
4:19crime. She points out some of the stuff
4:21that's damaging the economy.
4:22>> What you get with excessive regulation,
4:24some people say it protects, but you get
4:26monopolies at the top because the small
4:28businesses, the small people who are
4:29hustling, they can't afford the
4:31regulatory expenses, the time, the
4:33constraints, and you do get monopolies
4:35at the top. The big businesses can
4:37absorb all that cost, and they're the
4:38ones that survive, but the small
4:39businesses die. I speak to so many small
4:41businesses who are more focused on
4:43compliance than they are on growth.
4:44>> Mhm. Not only have the Small Business
4:46Federation been screaming for years that
4:48Brexit has been damaging them by adding
4:50to the red tape they have to deal with,
4:52but Nigel Farage himself has said that
4:54Brexit Britain has more red tape. Brexit
4:56being the founding policy of the Reform
4:59Party. So, when Leila Cunningham draws a
5:01link between deprivation and people
5:03turning to crime, she's inadvertently
5:04pointing the finger squarely at herself.
5:07Worse still, she was in the Conservative
5:09Party when they were getting rid of all
5:11the youth services that those young boys
5:13were relying upon. So, she's aware that
5:15her original party bears responsibility
5:17for those young boys becoming so
5:19desperate. But does she follow the
5:20Glasgow example and focus on giving
5:22those young boys actual opportunities to
5:24drive them away from crime? No. She
5:26focuses instead on this.
5:27>> They shut down a lot of magistrates,
5:28they shut down a lot of police stations,
5:30and they cut down police numbers.
5:32>> Which means that rather than focusing on
5:33the things that make people desperate
5:34enough to turn towards crime, she's
5:36instead wanting to over police already
5:38over policed communities in London. She
5:40could offer them bread, instead she's
5:42offering them handcuffs. And this is
5:43where the fascism comes in because of
5:45this incredible line from her.
5:46>> And in London, and and that's why I'm
5:48running because I feel like there's no
5:50point in having civil liberties if you
5:51don't have the freedom to feel safe.
5:53>> That is dictionary definition fascism
5:54right there. Sacrificing human rights in
5:56the name of supposed safety and law and
5:58order. But the safety she's talking
6:00about is just safety from violent crime.
6:02Like we've already seen that cutting
6:03financial support for people during the
6:052010s led to hundreds of thousands of
6:07deaths. So what about safety from
6:09poverty? What about safety from ill
6:10health and hopes of funding the NHS? And
6:12when you know that the crime that you're
6:14trying to go full police state to stop
6:16is driven in large part by poverty as
6:19you just admitted, then you haven't
6:21actually done anything to stop people
6:22turning to crime, you're just going to
6:24lock up the people that do. So even the
6:26safety you're talking about in terms of
6:27crime isn't real. Like I know it's
6:29ironic for a number of reasons for me to
6:31be quoting Benjamin Franklin, one of
6:32America's founding fathers, but he once
6:35said, "Those who would sacrifice
6:37essential liberties to purchase a little
6:39temporary safety deserve neither liberty
6:42or safety." And here we have Leyla
6:43Hussein literally saying, "What's the
6:45point in civil liberties if we don't
6:46have the freedom to feel safe?" Benjamin
6:48Franklin was talking about fascists like
6:50the Reform Party. Which brings us to the
6:52question you've all been waiting for.
6:53>> Is Reform a racist party?
6:55>> No.
6:55>> Why not?
6:56>> I don't have to justify why it's not
6:57racist. You have to justify to me why
6:59you think it's racist.
6:59>> Can I get my Nigeria jersey around the
7:00back of
7:01>> That was basically my entire evening. Me
7:03having the answer to everything Leyla
7:04Hussein was saying and visibly losing my
7:07god damn mind in the background. But
7:09before I'm brought in, Nels does get
7:11Leyla Hussein to admit some of the
7:12racism of her party's councilors.
7:14>> Should the Nigerians be used to fill up
7:16pot holes, yes or no?
7:17>> No, that was a horrific
7:18>> Was that racist, yes or no?
7:20>> a racist is. Of course.
7:21>> But then we get to the racism of Nigel
7:22Farage. And the first example I use is
7:25that famous Brexit breaking point
7:26poster. And as you'll see throughout my
7:28interactions with Leyla, her arguments
7:30have literally zero substance to them.
7:32My point is the people in that
7:33photograph had no ability to enter the
7:35UK based on based on our EU membership
7:37because the UK wasn't under the EU's
7:39common asylum policy. Which means that
7:41they're using those people were they
7:42were irrelevant to the Brexit
7:43discussion. Yet he chose brown faces to
7:45scare people about European migration.
7:47>> And because what you see you're picking
7:49on a very nuanced argument that you make
7:52from what you saw.
7:53>> You're picking a very nuanced argument
7:56that you make from what you saw.
7:58Translation, your argument is nuanced
8:01and you're making your argument based on
8:03the facts in front of your eyes. Please
8:04tell me how that is a valid counter
8:06argument to what I just said. Because I
8:08pointed out that the Middle Eastern
8:09people in that poster weren't EU
8:11citizens and therefore they couldn't
8:12come to the UK just because we were
8:13members of the EU and we weren't part of
8:16the EU's refugee policy meaning they'd
8:17have the right to enter the UK. Which
8:19means that the brown people that Nigel
8:21Farage chose for his poster to scare
8:23people about EU migration had nothing to
8:25do with EU migration. Because European
8:27migration, surprise surprise, is
8:29primarily white people. But he thought
8:31that using brown faces would be scarier
8:33to the kinds of people that he wanted to
8:35vote for Brexit. Now yes, that is an
8:37argument with a lot of moving parts. But
8:39it is 100% logical and pointing out that
8:41I've made an argument based on the facts
8:44is not a counter. But don't worry, I
8:45interrupted her. Carry on.
8:46>> I don't think that's racist because
8:49people fundamentally object to people
8:52arriving by boats illegally on our
8:55country in our country.
8:56>> Translation, I don't think that's racist
8:58because stop the boats. Like you might
9:00see in comment sections that when I see
9:02somebody comment one of those stock
9:03responses or stock slogans that they
9:05always use that bears no resemblance to
9:08anything that I've just said that I'll
9:09often reply with this GIF.
9:12>> Net daemon.
9:13>> Like I've just made a logical argument
9:15backed up by EU law that proves that
9:17Nigel Farage weaponized brown skin to
9:20scare people into voting for Brexit and
9:22your response is just stop the boats.
9:24But then we go on to the ethnic
9:24minorities who are here now.
9:26>> There are communities of my background
9:30who
9:31do not assimilate and integrate into our
9:33country.
9:34>> Egyptians.
9:35>> Uh Egyptians, Muslims, Middle Easterns.
9:37>> I come from Birmingham, a part of part
9:39of Birmingham where which has been
9:41referred to as no-go zone zone on the
9:42grounds of too many too many Muslims
9:44people from Middle Eastern background
9:45background that sort of thing. Um,
9:48Generation Rent did a survey where they
9:49found that if you have a black-sounding
9:51name, you are 37% less likely to receive
9:53a positive response when you're applying
9:54for accommodation from a potential
9:56landlord, which means it is not
9:57necessarily a choice to only to not
9:59assimilate not to mix with other people.
10:01They literally can't do it cuz it's
10:03significantly harder, especially given
10:04the housing crisis. So so pointing the
10:06finger at the people that don't have the
10:08choice, don't have the control of the
10:09housing market when it is a decision
10:11being made by largely white landowners,
10:14I feel that that's unfair.
10:15>> How do you know they're white
10:16landowners?
10:17>> Because
10:17>> What How do you know do you have data on
10:18that?
10:18>> Most most la
10:19>> your assumption.
10:20>> Um, can
10:21>> assumption.
10:21>> Sorry, let me
10:22>> 87% of landlords in the UK are white. I
10:24didn't have the facts to hand. I hadn't
10:26researched it yet, but I have now, so
10:28I'll be better next time, but I was
10:30right. And the thing is, Layla
10:31Cunningham knew I was right because if
10:33she were to ask herself are the majority
10:35of landlords in the UK white? You know
10:37she'd say yes. She would have assumed
10:39that just like I assumed that. But she
10:41knew that the point that I was making
10:42about how it's not up to ethnic
10:44minorities to decide whether we can
10:46actually move to whiter areas completely
10:48destroys their whole but these
10:50immigrants and minorities refuse to mix,
10:52refuse to integrate. It blows that out
10:54of the water. And so all she could do is
10:55try and attack the facts of my argument
10:57that we all knew were true but which I
10:59couldn't prove on the spot.
11:00>> That's your assumption.
11:01>> Let me can I make a point?
11:02>> That's your assumption. You know what
11:03the problem is?
11:03>> Mhm.
11:04>> You know what the problem is?
11:04>> Tell me.
11:05>> Is that is that the left have divided
11:06this country along ethnic and religious
11:08lines. You have You know what? You know
11:10what? You go to the Muslim community and
11:12you say this country is Islamophobic,
11:14this country has oppressed you as
11:15opposed to telling them this country has
11:17given you incredible opportunities.
11:19>> You you you have circumvented
11:20>> That's what creates
11:20>> You you have circumvented the point of
11:22it is not the choice of those people
11:24living in those areas to live in those
11:26in those richer areas. They don't have
11:27that power. They don't have the money
11:29because we live in a society where
11:31Oxford research showed because they sent
11:33out 3,200 job applications to various
11:35sectors of the UK economy
11:38and they found they found that if you
11:41They
11:42let's let's
11:43>> It's like she's trying to speedrun the
11:44fascism checklist. A dislike of
11:46academics and research, tick.
11:48>> Let's say this let's say this let's
11:49>> They found that if you have a
11:52South Asian name you have to send
11:54between you have to send 70% more
11:55applications to get a call back for a
11:56job. If you West African it's 80% Middle
11:59Eastern it's 90% so the ability to get a
12:02job therefore get money therefore get
12:03this also the ability to live in those
12:05richer areas is perhaps the past through
12:07a filter of racism in the UK. So not
12:09only is it hard to get the money to live
12:11in those richer areas but also the
12:12landlords make it harder for you to do
12:14that. So we can park the discussion
12:15about whether or not it's white
12:16landlords white landlords or not we can
12:18park that for a second but the
12:19>> admit that they're not necessarily white
12:20landlords.
12:22>> I I I'll be I don't have the I don't
12:24have the data on that but I would I
12:25would argue that most land in the UK is
12:26not owned by black or brown people. Um
12:28as as for the issue of are they choosing
12:31not to mix which is your core core issue
12:33they don't have the power to mix to
12:35those other areas.
12:36>> have the power to learn English?
12:37>> [sighs and gasps]
12:38>> 0.3% of people in England and Wales
12:40don't speak English at all and 1.5% of
12:43white people who weren't born in the
12:44British Isles don't speak any English at
12:46all which isn't far off the 1.4 to 2.1%
12:50of Asian people but she's not
12:51complaining about the white people
12:52that's weird.
12:53>> Your suggestion is that those those
12:55communities aren't mixing that they're
12:56they're all living
12:58they're all living together.
12:58>> That is not my point at all. My point is
13:00that I've been to Muslim communities
13:02where they particularly do not want to
13:04assimilate and integrate. They know they
13:06don't want to. They have I don't I don't
13:08believe the burka should be so prevalent
13:11as it is and
13:11>> The dictionary definition of assimilate
13:13doesn't necessarily mean that you
13:14abandon your own culture it simply means
13:16that you are accepted as part of the new
13:17society and this country is long overdue
13:19a conversation about what exactly is
13:22British culture because for example a
13:24lot of people would say that drinking is
13:26a significant part of British culture,
13:27but a lot of people don't drink, myself
13:29included. So, are they not British? Does
13:31one have to go to the football every
13:32single weekend to be considered as
13:34British? Is being British being obsessed
13:36with shows like Love Island, or is it
13:37being obsessed with shows like Doctor
13:39Who? This notion that there is only one
13:41way to be British, and everybody who's
13:42outside of that doesn't belong here,
13:45it's again textbook fascism. But, no
13:47Reform debate would be complete without
13:49this.
13:49>> Pakistani men picked white girls, called
13:52them trash, and gang raped them.
13:54>> Now, the audience heavily pushed back on
13:56the Reform Party's exclusive focus on
13:58brown abusers.
14:00>> I chose to look at the top where the
14:01problem starts.
14:03Which is where we have rapists and
14:05criminals who are protected by our
14:06government, the Epstein class, who set
14:09the example for everyone.
14:10>> Epstein was not in this country, mate.
14:12>> Well,
14:12>> He didn't operate in the
14:13>> He did operate in this country. He did
14:15operate in
14:15>> He didn't operate in this country.
14:16>> Epstein was in Buckingham Palace.
14:18Buckingham Palace.
14:19>> Epstein was not in this country.
14:21>> Ghislaine Maxwell Ghislaine Maxwell
14:22>> She just said, "Get over it."
14:25She just said, "Get over it." Hundreds
14:28of girls trafficked, abused, and raped,
14:31and her response was, "Get over it." Are
14:34you starting to see that the Reform
14:35Party don't actually care about the
14:36safety of women? For example, the
14:38leadership of the Reform Party being
14:39entirely cool with one of their MPs
14:42being a convicted woman beater.
14:44>> So, Richard Tice, the deputy leader of
14:45the Reform Party, he explicitly said he
14:47did not believe the victim, quote, "I'm
14:49on his side." As for As for Nigel
14:50Farage,
14:51>> That's what he said. That's a lie.
14:52That's a lie.
14:53>> I can play you the
14:54>> Show me he said that.
14:56>> Uh well, if you watch If you're watching
14:57this at home, he I I
14:59I'm going to get into it here.
15:00>> That's That's a lie.
15:00>> So, I'm on his side. I disagree with
15:02what with what else is said.
15:04>> don't think he kicked her then? Is that
15:05what you're saying?
15:06>> I I I'm I'm trusting James. He's bang on
15:08the money, and I I think that what he
15:11says is right. He was there. The court
15:13wasn't there. The Times weren't there.
15:15>> Well, the victim wasn't there as well,
15:16right?
15:16>> Yeah. And And they're going to have a
15:17disagreement.
15:18>> Now, I know I've already shown you that
15:19bit before, but But she knew she was
15:21dead to rights in terms of the Reform
15:23Party supporting a convicted woman
15:24beater, she then starts preaching about
15:26compassion for offenders.
15:28>> Should we condemn youth for life for
15:31something that they spent time in prison
15:33for and have apologized and led a good
15:35life?
15:36>> very different to what she was saying
15:37about her time as a prosecutor.
15:38>> But a courtroom should be a place where
15:41criminality is condemned, not excused.
15:45Because they might have had a troubled
15:46life, they might have had mental health
15:48issues, but it doesn't erase the harm
15:51that that victim went through.
15:52>> So if it's a black or brown person, it's
15:53all about getting justice for the victim
15:55because of the damage that was done to
15:56them. But if it's a Reform Party
15:58politician, then it's okay for those
15:59victims to see their abuser in
16:02government. Again, we're supposed to
16:03take these people seriously on the
16:05safety of women. And this absolute queen
16:07in the crowd drives that point home.
16:10>> You are not tackling the problem for
16:11women. I don't feel safe by you. You are
16:14dangerous because you are not you are
16:16not you are not considering all of the
16:19people that I danger to us.
16:20>> What I just pointed out, it's very small
16:22subsection of people that are dangerous
16:24to us.
16:25>> But trust me, it gets worse.
16:27>> Um and I wondered what Reform's policy
16:28was on misogyny and trying to get rid of
16:31it.
16:33>> Rape is not misogyny. Rape is of the
16:34most horrific I mean sexual
16:36>> Can you see my face?
16:37>> Rape is not misogyny. Rape is of the
16:39most horrific I mean sexual
16:40>> Can you see my face?
16:42>> For anybody keeping score, the Reform
16:44Party is specifically targeting ethnic
16:46origin in terms of protecting women and
16:48girls, but they are not willing to blame
16:51misogyny. They are literally telling us
16:53that they believe that skin color plays
16:56a bigger role in men hurting women than
17:00a disregard for the well-being of women.
17:02And again, please remember, this is
17:04coming from a brown woman. A woman who
17:05has had to take on all the Reform
17:08Party's Why?
17:09>> I joined Reform when I knew I'd lose my
17:11council seat. We don't believe in
17:12misogyny. I mean, I'm a woman, I'm
17:14running for London. I don't
17:15>> [laughter]
17:16>> I don't understand the I mean,
17:17>> I just think you need to go back to a
17:19meritocracy. You know, I just think
17:21women women are fantastic. We I don't we
17:23don't not have misogyny in the policy.
17:25We don't believe in it.
17:27>> will beat misogyny.
17:30>> Yeah, because to show that women are
17:32just as successful and can achieve just
17:34as much as men.
17:35>> Well, I'm tired. Look, as with every
17:38right-wing ideology or plan of how
17:40things will just naturally work out if
17:42we have a meritocracy, if we have
17:44trickle down. The simple fact is it
17:46hasn't worked.
17:48We still have massive inequalities. So,
17:50simply letting things be as they are
17:52isn't going to deliver the results that
17:54you claim that it will. Because those
17:55who have risen to the top have
17:57engineered the system to make sure that
17:58only people like them can reach the top.
18:00>> 6%
18:01>> 94% of victims do not get a look in
18:03because they are not believed.
18:04>> And do you think that having men in
18:05government who literally say they don't
18:07believe the victim of a man who pled
18:09guilty is going to improve that
18:11situation or make it significantly
18:13worse? But then we get to the funny bit.
18:14>> Funny matter to me.
18:15>> I've got nothing against Pakistanis. But
18:17some of my best FRIENDS ARE PAKISTANIS.
18:25>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET SOME POINTS IN.
18:26LET'S GO.
18:26>> AND SHE backed it up with this.
18:28>> It is data-driven. It was
18:31It was the majority of Pakistani men who
18:33committed the grooming gangs.
18:35>> But it's not the majority. The most
18:36recent report found that there may have
18:38been a disproportionate number per
18:39capita, but the majority is white. And
18:42Asian people make up less than 4% of
18:44crimes against minors. So, even if Asian
18:46men are more likely to commit those
18:47crimes as a gang, it doesn't change the
18:50fact that focusing exclusively on
18:51perpetrators who are Asian, less than
18:534%, provides cover to the vast majority
18:57of people who are hurting children. So,
18:58you're not just lying about race, you're
19:00telling a dangerous racist lie that
19:02facilitates the abuse of children.
19:04>> As a Muslim from the Middle East, I can
19:06also point out that the majority of
19:08Islamists and terrorists are from my
19:10country and from my religion. That's not
19:12racist.
19:13>> Sorry, did you just say the majority of
19:14Islamists are from the religion of
19:16Islam?
19:22As for the majority of terrorism, well,
19:24in the UK in the last 50 years, there
19:27have been about 100 deaths that have
19:28been associated with extreme Islamist
19:30terrorism. If you were to compare that
19:32with the troubles in the 1970s, '80s,
19:34and '90s, which was fueled by
19:36sectarianism between Christian
19:37Protestants and Christian Catholics,
19:39that caused 3,600
19:42deaths. So, the narrative that terrorism
19:43is a Muslim problem in the UK doesn't
19:46really hold water. Especially because
19:47personally, I consider blowing up almost
19:50every building in Gaza to be terrorism.
19:53A policy which the Reform Party
19:54supports. But, I enjoyed this bit
19:56because Nell nails it. Like, after all
19:59this time talking about Pakistani men,
20:01Pakistani men, Egyptian men, etc., we
20:04then get this.
20:05>> Can you look at the camera down there
20:06and point out an inconvenient fact about
20:08white people?
20:11>> You know what?
20:11>> Just can you pick any sin, please? Just
20:12tell us any. Tell us any. Tell us any.
20:14Tell us any sin. Any sin that white
20:15people commit that is because you you've
20:17you've said so a lot about Egyptian
20:18people, about Pakistani people or
20:19someone or another. Just tell us
20:21something about cuz the majority of our
20:21majority of countries white. But, just
20:23tell us one thing.
20:24>> I'm not here
20:25>> Yep.
20:25>> to condemn different groups. I'm point
20:27You know what I mean? I Every Every
20:30group
20:30>> Leo Varadkar in everyone.
20:32But, then we get to stop the boats.
20:34>> So, if you enter this country illegally
20:36on a boat, you are an illegal migrant.
20:38>> Sorry, so you're a lawyer. You
20:39understand what dehumanizing language
20:40means. That the language that we use to
20:42describe people can sometimes actually
20:44impact on particular for us as a room of
20:46black and brown people.
20:47>> This is important. The Refugee
20:48Convention says that you have the right
20:49to enter another country without
20:51permission as long as
20:52as long as you apply for asylum within a
20:54reasonable period of time. If if you
20:55actually genuinely thought it was it was
20:57illegal, you wouldn't be you wouldn't
20:58your policy wouldn't be to get rid of
20:59the Refugee Convention because you know
21:01that makes it legal.
21:03>> Have you Have you read the Borders Act,
21:04Sammy?
21:05Have you read the Borders Act?
21:06>> He's studied it. Under international
21:08laws league.
21:08>> Have you read the Borders Act? I don't
21:10care about international. I care about
21:11British law.
21:13British law is what I care about.
21:15>> And this is where the concept And this
21:16is where the concept of
21:17And this is where the concept of
21:18illegality comes into it because you're
21:20willing to defy international law in the
21:22name of UK law.
21:23>> You are right that the Refugee
21:24Convention says that you cannot punish
21:26anyone in for the manner in which they
21:27arrived. That was written in 1954. It is
21:29no longer fit for purpose.
21:31>> Let me ask you a question, fami.
21:32>> She didn't answer my question of why.
21:34Cuz the answer is it was a response to
21:36the Holocaust. That's why the Refugee
21:38Convention came about. That's why the
21:39European Convention on Human Rights came
21:40about. That's why most international
21:42human rights law came about as a
21:43response to that. That when certain
21:45countries are committing acts of
21:47absolute atrocity against a group of
21:48people, there needs to be laws in place
21:50that would allow those people to leave
21:52those countries and seek asylum in other
21:54countries. But that's not relevant today
21:55because there aren't any genocides going
21:57on, clearly. But the Reform Party's
21:59Layla Cunningham tells us about the only
22:00time that she, as a Muslim woman, has
22:02experienced racism.
22:03>> And it was difficult after 9/11. I I
22:05agree.
22:07Being [clears throat] a Muslim was
22:07difficult. Um
22:10and in a way it's understandable. I want
22:12to go back to a London where nobody
22:13cares what religion you are. Nobody
22:14cares what color skin you are. You're
22:16cool, you're cool.
22:17>> Sorry, so could I
22:18>> And my name was Layla El Meligy.
22:20And he looked at me and he said, "We
22:22just don't have people like you in the
22:24bar."
22:24>> Damn.
22:25>> And
22:26>> you went back as Cunningham, it was
22:27like, "Yeah, man, welcome in."
22:28>> And And And I remember sitting on a
22:30pavement and crying. That was the only
22:32time, but I didn't see it as a way to
22:34hate the country. I didn't see it as a
22:35way to see the system to get rid of me.
22:37Hang on. Of course racism exists. Of
22:39course prejudices exist, but we
22:42shouldn't use it as a way to keep us
22:43down.
22:44>> Layla has to say
22:45>> the fire under your wings to be better.
22:47>> Exactly. So don't lead an anti-racist
22:50party cuz that's woke You should
22:51You should use racism as as the fire
22:54under your wings, right? Truly inspiring
22:56stuff. But she goes back to denying the
22:58racism in the Reform Party and you can
23:00see how fast my hand shoots up.
23:02>> Racism is prioritizing a certain skin
23:06color, a certain religion, a certain
23:08ethnicity.
23:09We don't say that at all.
23:11>> May 2024, Nigel Farage on Sky News said,
23:15um
23:1640 47% of British Muslims support
23:18support Hamas, support terrorist
23:19organization. The The survey he was
23:21quoting asked British Muslims who they
23:23had more sympathy for, Israel or Hamas.
23:25He He presented that as 47% I half of
23:28British Muslims supporting a terrorist
23:30organization. How can that be anything
23:32other than implying that half of British
23:33Muslims are terrorist sympathizers and
23:35therefore hate speech?
23:37>> Just for all on the same page, I've just
23:39shown that Nigel Farage took a survey
23:42that asked British Muslims to decide
23:44between Israel and Hamas in terms of who
23:46they had more sympathy for. So, the
23:48premise of the question was binary. They
23:49were supposed to pick a side. And you're
23:51thinking, "But they should have ticked
23:52neither." Well, British Muslims are more
23:54likely to tick neither than the general
23:56population. And yet Nigel Farage took
23:58that survey and used it as an argument
24:00to say
24:01>> 46% of British Muslims support Hamas,
24:04support a terrorist organization.
24:06>> So, how does Layla Cunningham respond to
24:08me proving that Nigel Farage lied about
24:10a survey in order to paint half of
24:12British Muslims as terrorists?
24:14>> And therefore hate speech.
24:16>> Uh wasn't he quoting one one of the
24:18researchers that you've been quoting the
24:19whole night? I mean, you
24:21What was he quoting a a poll?
24:23>> What?
24:23>> Wasn't he quoting a poll?
24:24>> Yeah, by by right-wing think tank. And
24:26he misquoted it.
24:27>> And all the And all the And all the
24:28studies use it. Are they Are they
24:29left-wing think tanks? Are all the
24:31studies left-wing?
24:32>> I quoted Oxford University. I I again
24:34>> No, no, no. Listen. Don't come to me
24:36with various studies from random places
24:38and say that you're
24:39>> IT'S NIGEL FARAGE'S STUDY.
24:40>> I'M SAYING NO, NO, it's not. He didn't
24:42commission that.
24:42>> He's He's quoting it.
24:43>> Okay, and you're quoting a poll.
24:45>> You quoted a poll. He quoted a poll.
24:46>> Yeah, yeah, he He misquoted a poll. It
24:49didn't It didn't say that. Okay. He
24:50didn't say that.
24:51>> Layla Cunningham is trying to draw an
24:53equivalence between me quoting Oxford
24:56University and Nigel Farage taking a
24:58poll from an already right-wing think
25:01tank and lying about it to make Muslims
25:04look even worse. When I tell you that
25:06this whole debate damaged my nervous
25:08system, I'm not exaggerating But
25:10this might be my favorite bit because it
25:12sums up the Reform Party's dishonesty.
25:14>> When immigration is in small numbers and
25:16it's controlled,
25:17>> Mhm.
25:17>> right?
25:19It works.
25:20But what we've seen is mass immigration
25:23and I reject the premise that you are
25:25either for open borders and mass
25:27immigration or you're anti-immigrant.
25:29>> Is there ever too many? Do we allow them
25:30all in? What is the limit for
25:32>> That That is the perfect question to ask
25:34because
25:34>> you?
25:34>> because in 2016, Nigel Farage said there
25:36was nothing we can do to stop unlimited
25:38numbers of people from EU countries
25:39settling in this country and
25:40>> Farage. What is the limit for you?
25:42>> Allow me to finish my point, please.
25:43>> Forget Let me know your limit.
25:44>> my point. There's nothing we can do to
25:45stop unlimited numbers of people from EU
25:47countries settling in this country and
25:48enjoying the same rights and privileges
25:49as all the rest of us. So his entire
25:51pitch for Brexit was the the left is
25:53forcing uncontrolled migration on the
25:54UK. In 2017, just a year later, I read
25:57about Article 7 of the EU Citizens'
25:59Rights Directive which says in order
26:01>> get very technical, bro?
26:02>> in order to come to this country, you
26:04need to either have a job or have enough
26:06money that you're not a burden on the
26:07welfare state. And then he said, "In
26:09theory, Femi, you're right. In theory,
26:11under European treaties, there are
26:12restrictions that can be placed." I
26:13which means he admitted that his basic
26:15premise for Brexit was a lie. I then
26:16pointed out to him that if the EU has
26:18restrictions on immigration and we leave
26:20the EU, it's likely that post-Brexit
26:22immigration would be even less
26:23controlled and that's exactly what
26:25happened. So you cannot stand there and
26:27claim to be on the side of controlling
26:28immigration when your main policy, your
26:30founding policy, led to more
26:32uncontrolled immigration.
26:33>> Femi,
26:34let me tell you something.
26:36>> [applause]
26:38>> People voted for Brexit in this country
26:40>> based on your lies.
26:41>> Right? So you're assuming that the
26:42voters are stupid. You're the only one
26:44that's clever enough. You and your
26:47supreme knowledge is the only one. Hang
26:49on. You had your time, Femi. You are the
26:52only clever one. And that is the problem
26:54with the left. You have such disrespect
26:56for the voters. You think the voters are
26:58so stupid that they were conned, don't
26:59you? Hang on. You think they were
27:01conned. You think sick however many
27:03people voted for Brexit, you were the
27:05only clever one and they got it wrong.
27:07You have disdain for voters.
27:09>> You have disdain for the voters. Okay,
27:11okay, sorry. I have to finish this. I
27:12find it incredible that I just proved
27:14that your leader lied to the voters and
27:16now you're calling them stupid for
27:17believing what your party said.
27:19What?
27:21>> I believe the voters got it right.
27:23>> I didn't call them stupid. You brought
27:24that up. You're saying now that Farage
27:26says this, they must be stupid to
27:27believe that.
27:29Please.
27:31I know I didn't know it was going to be
27:32a full on onslaught.
27:34No, no, Femi is Femi is here to to fact
27:36check.
27:36>> It's almost as if the reason that the
27:38Reform Party have physically dragged me
27:40out of four of their rallies is because
27:42they know that they can't beat me in an
27:44argument and so they have to resort to
27:46physical violence like the absolute
27:48fascists that they are. I'm Femi. Make
27:51sure you follow F politics so politics
27:53has an F you. Have a great week.

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