CA v. Robert Durst Murder Trial Day 22 - Douglas Durst, Defendant's Brother Continues Part 4 — Transcript

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1. 0:00[Music]
2. 0:02his lawyers
3. 0:03the people who represent the bulgers and
4. 0:05all goods have returned to the courtroom
5. 0:07mr douglas first has resumed the witness
6. 0:09stand i'll remind you that you are on
7. 0:11their own
8. 0:12mr decarion you may continue your
9. 0:14possession
10. 0:17so mr durst i want to kind of set
11. 0:21the scene as it was
12. 0:26right after kathy's disappearance
13. 0:30uh once the news broke it was
14. 0:33in the tabloids wasn't it yes it was
15. 0:36and that's something that's anathema
16. 0:39to the durst
17. 0:43very existence isn't it yes meaning of
18. 0:46course that
19. 0:49you didn't want that out there
20. 0:52like that
21. 0:55that's correct not much you can do about
22. 0:58it though
23. 0:58if the tabloids start running with a
24. 1:00story is there that's correct
25. 1:04is it true that the story alone
26. 1:08could have had enormous economic
27. 1:12impact financial impact on the durst
28. 1:15organization
29. 1:16that was a concern but it did not happen
30. 1:19but you were concerned about it yes
31. 1:21and you're also concerned
32. 1:26about kathy your sister-in-law
33. 1:30seymour durst daughter-in-law being
34. 1:33missing
35. 1:34yes and so
36. 1:38i assume that you tell me if i'm correct
37. 1:41that you and others in the durst
38. 1:44organization were paying close attention
39. 1:46to what the police were doing and what
40. 1:48was going on in the investigation
41. 1:53uh i i don't recall
42. 1:57uh i recall reading about in the papers
43. 2:00but i had no contact with the police
44. 2:04well did you did you believe that they
45. 2:06were
46. 2:07they were thoroughly investigating it
47. 2:09last foundation
48. 2:15if you had believed that the police had
49. 2:18dropped the ball
50. 2:18you would have done something wouldn't
51. 2:20you objection assumes facts not in
52. 2:23evidence at this point it's also vegas
53. 2:25time relevance as well the time is clear
54. 2:28it's fine okay
55. 2:33i had no reason to believe they dropped
56. 2:35the ball i don't know what i would have
57. 2:37done if they believed they did
58. 2:38well you know that seymour was doing
59. 2:40everything he could
60. 2:42yes and seymour could
61. 2:46bring to the
62. 2:51bring to the table any kind of economic
63. 2:56needs that would be needed to try to
64. 2:59find her
65. 3:01yes and he was doing that
66. 3:04yes and bob uh
67. 3:09gave every appearance of wanting to find
68. 3:12her at the time didn't he
69. 3:16yes
70. 3:21now
71. 3:26there have been allegations through the
72. 3:27years and there's even
73. 3:30a lawsuit pending now there's a lawyer
74. 3:33with that lawsuit
75. 3:35staring at you from the
76. 3:39gallery here that accuse
77. 3:42you or the durst organization or seymour
78. 3:45or even
79. 3:46mr luing lewin of colluding
80. 3:50to cover up kathy's disappearance right
81. 3:55that allegation has been made i can
82. 3:57speak for my family but not mr lewin
83. 4:02well you're insulted by it aren't you
84. 4:07and you know that seymour would not have
85. 4:11done anything to cover up bob's
86. 4:14complicity if he believed that bob was
87. 4:17complicit
88. 4:18that is correct yes although seymour
89. 4:21loved
90. 4:22bob right yes and
91. 4:25and he felt somewhat responsible for
92. 4:28bob's
93. 4:34injured condition right
94. 4:37that would be my belief yes
95. 4:40that came from a feeling of
96. 4:44responsibility whether he's responsible
97. 4:45or not but a feeling of responsibility
98. 4:47that bob had been
99. 4:49there when your mother fell to her death
100. 4:54uh i don't know that that was
101. 4:57that was the cause of it uh uh
102. 5:00bob which obviously had issues
103. 5:05even before uh my mother's death or my
104. 5:07mother's death
105. 5:11well you've made the statement before i
106. 5:14believe
107. 5:14that seymour felt responsible for bob
108. 5:18being damaged
109. 5:19what was the basis of that statement
110. 5:23that you have made that statement i have
111. 5:24made that statement yes
112. 5:26what was the basis for that statement
113. 5:28that uh
114. 5:29some things uh seymour had done
115. 5:33or not done that caused bob to be the
116. 5:36way he is
117. 5:42and the way he is is unusual
118. 5:45to say the least didn't it to say the
119. 5:47least
120. 5:48yes do you have any
121. 5:52knowledge about the autism spectrum and
122. 5:56asperger's foundation i just asked him
123. 5:59if he had any knowledge about it
124. 6:02you might have no i have no knowledge of
125. 6:06the autism spectrum okay
126. 6:24so even though
127. 6:30seymour felt some responsibility
128. 6:33and even though seymour loved bob
129. 6:39seymour would not have protected bob
130. 6:42if he thought bob was guilty of
131. 6:45wrongdoing
132. 6:46that is correct
133. 7:04you knew didn't you
134. 7:07maybe i better ask it this way
135. 7:10did you know that bob and kathy
136. 7:14soon after they were together
137. 7:17moved to the country and opened a
138. 7:20natural food store
139. 7:22yes i knew that what was your
140. 7:25relationship with bob then was it
141. 7:28still the strain relationship that you
142. 7:32had most of your life yes
143. 7:36but your relationship was enough
144. 7:40wasn't it to know that that seemed to be
145. 7:43a time in bob's life when he was really
146. 7:45happy
147. 7:46yes
148. 7:49now you you uh dispute that seymour
149. 7:54made him come back and join the durst
150. 7:56corporation don't you
151. 7:58absolutely i dispute that but he did
152. 8:01come back and join the durst corporation
153. 8:03right
154. 8:04he did come back did you know what that
155. 8:06was about i mean
156. 8:07if he was happy with kathy running a
157. 8:10natural food store
158. 8:12out in the country my understanding that
159. 8:14the food store
160. 8:15failed
161. 8:19okay
162. 8:23so we be clear about bob's leaving
163. 8:26the durst company you know i'm jumping
164. 8:30around a little bit but so we can be
165. 8:31clear about that
166. 8:33about bob leaving the durst company
167. 8:36it started when you used your influence
168. 8:39to have
169. 8:40to make sure that he was not going to be
170. 8:42named the successor trustee right
171. 8:44that's correct and that happened like
172. 8:47three years before
173. 8:49seymour made the decision
174. 8:53that you would be the ceo that is
175. 8:56correct
176. 8:57so it would be
177. 9:01incorrect for someone to say that
178. 9:04bob left because seymour made that
179. 9:07decision
180. 9:08that's just not correct which decision
181. 9:10the decision
182. 9:11to make you ceo instead of him
183. 9:16if somebody said that that would be
184. 9:17incorrect yes in my opinion
185. 9:20right your opinion is that
186. 9:23you're the one that saw the necessity
187. 9:26for be
188. 9:27becoming the successor trustee rather
189. 9:30than bob
190. 9:31yes and you brought that about yes
191. 9:53you made an effort to stop the
192. 9:55production of all good things didn't you
193. 9:58i did it it was
194. 10:01in conjunction not the only reason of
195. 10:04course
196. 10:04but in conjunction with your
197. 10:08feeling that the durst name needed to be
198. 10:11protected
199. 10:14yes and you also tried to stop
200. 10:18production of the jinx didn't you
201. 10:22uh
202. 10:25we we tried to limit it but i don't know
203. 10:28that we actually tried to stop it
204. 10:30did you write a letter uh threatening
205. 10:35jarecki about what he was doing and
206. 10:39if he i believe if he defamed the
207. 10:43family yes
208. 10:46and i think you told mr lewin that
209. 10:50earlier today that
210. 10:54at one point you thought that jarecki
211. 10:56was working in concert with bob
212. 10:59to help bob and to hurt the durst
213. 11:01corporation is that am i saying it
214. 11:03correctly is that what you thought
215. 11:06i don't think he was doing doing it to
216. 11:09help bob or hurt the tourist
217. 11:10organization i think he was doing it to
218. 11:12help
219. 11:13drecki
220. 11:17well we we pretty much know he wasn't
221. 11:19doing it to help bob don't we
222. 11:20yes
223. 11:27one other point um
224. 11:32mr lewin asked you about whether bob was
225. 11:34generous
226. 11:37and i believe basically your answer was
227. 11:39no he was very tight with his money yes
228. 11:42but were you aware that he has
229. 11:46given people money in the past
230. 11:50where he gave money to susan berman i've
231. 11:52read he's given gifts to uh
232. 11:56his friends yes yes in fact
233. 12:02i want to show you something that's in
234. 12:05evidence
235. 12:06if we can have mainly wolf
236. 12:10they'd prefer that you call it a wolf
237. 12:12that's fine i'll call it a wolf
238. 12:34first thing i want to show you is a
239. 12:38check this is all in evidence
240. 12:41this is a check susan berman
241. 12:44for 25 000 that's the one that you were
242. 12:47aware of
243. 12:49yes the date is november the 9th it
244. 12:51doesn't have the year on it but i'll
245. 12:52tell you that november the 9th is 2000.
246. 12:57and i'll show you the i think we
247. 13:00stipulated to that as well
248. 13:03i'm sure that's right and then the
249. 13:08endorsement back when people used to
250. 13:10endorse checks and the checks would go
251. 13:13go to you get to check in your statement
252. 13:17i love you bobby thank you so much
253. 13:22i'll repay
254. 13:26every penny
255. 13:30and i can't read it right now but
256. 13:34exhibit number 20 thank you
257. 13:38so the date on it november the 9th
258. 13:42that was before
259. 13:45the news came out as we step
260. 13:49stipulated the news came out that bob i
261. 13:52mean that
262. 13:52janine pirro was re-opening the
263. 13:55investigation right
264. 13:59yes i think that's
265. 14:02yes before the news came out i'll show
266. 14:05you another one
267. 14:10check to susan berman for twenty five
268. 14:13thousand dollars
269. 14:15and the date on it is uh march
270. 14:183rd i believe we stipulated that that's
271. 14:2099.
272. 14:21i don't know if we have stipulated but
273. 14:23if we haven't we will stipulate that
274. 14:24it's
275. 14:25march 3rd 1999. if the court will accept
276. 14:27that
277. 14:28yes i think that was already agreed upon
278. 14:31i think it was but
279. 14:39okay so even though
280. 14:46by the way do you know who holly
281. 14:48lawrence is do not
282. 14:50okay that's the other check on this
283. 14:54uh two other checks on this piece of
284. 14:56paper
285. 14:58to holly lawrence february 24th
286. 15:0499 it almost looks like 97 but it is 99
287. 15:08for 10 000 and you don't know her i do
288. 15:11not
289. 15:11okay
290. 15:15so even though the first
291. 15:19check i showed you to susan berman for
292. 15:21the 20 25
293. 15:22000 is right about the same time as the
294. 15:25news came out but really before it was
295. 15:27in the papers
296. 15:30march the 3rd of 99 was a year and a
297. 15:33half
298. 15:35before there was any reopening of the
299. 15:36investigation wasn't there
300. 15:38that's correct
301. 15:42[Music]
302. 15:53[Music]
303. 16:02i said that was a final subject but you
304. 16:04know you shouldn't
305. 16:05trust a lawyer when they say that to you
306. 16:07i don't okay
307. 16:09good
308. 16:13bob and kathy
309. 16:17in the last year that they were together
310. 16:21were you were not aware of any divorced
311. 16:24discussions were you
312. 16:26uh at the christmas party kathy told me
313. 16:30she wanted to divorce bob
314. 16:34well you told mr uh lewin didn't you
315. 16:37that you were not aware there were
316. 16:39uh divorce discussions
317. 16:44i was not aware until kathy told me she
318. 16:47wanted to get a divorce
319. 16:50okay were you aware that
320. 16:53there was never a divorce filed
321. 16:58i was not aware that the divorce was
322. 16:59never filed no
323. 17:01if a divorce had been filed the durst
324. 17:04organization would probably be aware of
325. 17:06it wouldn't they
326. 17:09uh not necessarily no well particularly
327. 17:12if
328. 17:14kathy or her lawyers were threatening to
329. 17:16involve
330. 17:18the durst organization or try to break
331. 17:20the trust or whatever
332. 17:21divorce lawyers try to do nowadays or
333. 17:24back then
334. 17:25you would have been uh
335. 17:30that's mumbling i i object to a mumbling
336. 17:32objection
337. 17:34i'll uh i can finish the question but
338. 17:36i'm likely to sustain it
339. 17:39break it down into smaller questions if
340. 17:43a divorce lawyer representing kathy
341. 17:46had tried to involve the durst
342. 17:49organization or the durst trust
343. 17:52you would have been aware of that
344. 17:53wouldn't you as soon as that's not an
345. 17:54evidence also
346. 17:55proper hypothetical well the fact is
347. 17:58all right after all that you can answer
348. 18:02that question
349. 18:04uh if a if a diver divorce lawyer
350. 18:08lawyer filed a suit against the trust we
351. 18:11would have been aware of it yes
352. 18:13okay and there was none
353. 18:16right no there was no suit filed against
354. 18:18the durst organization
355. 18:19that's all redirect
356. 18:23examination you were asked a moment ago
357. 18:26about gifts your brother had given or
358. 18:28showed various checks do you recall that
359. 18:30a moment ago
360. 18:31i do do you recall previously stating
361. 18:34that your brother would not give gifts
362. 18:37without quote an ulterior motive yes i
363. 18:40do
364. 18:41what did you mean by that that he would
365. 18:44be giving it for some particular reason
366. 18:46something he wanted
367. 18:48uh from the person he was giving the
368. 18:50gift to um
369. 18:51mr degaran has suggested to you that
370. 18:56the information about
371. 19:00kathy durst being missing i'm sorry
372. 19:02about us
373. 19:03the cathedral investigation came out on
374. 19:05november 11
375. 19:072000 there was a stipulation regarding
376. 19:10when
377. 19:11it was in the paper are you aware mr
378. 19:14dirks that your brother has said that he
379. 19:16found out about it on october
380. 19:1831st before that check was written yes
381. 19:21and in terms of describing when you
382. 19:25said an ulterior motive would let's say
383. 19:28helping bob durst
384. 19:29cover up the killing of his wife would
385. 19:31you consider that to be an ontario motor
386. 19:33yes i would
387. 19:34are you aware that mr durst bought a
388. 19:37very nice lexus
389. 19:38mr degaran has corrected me that it was
390. 19:40the cheapest lexus
391. 19:42for his attorney and his wife stuart
392. 19:44emily altman
393. 19:45i read that yes would you consider that
394. 19:48to be an act of generosity or ulterior
395. 19:50motive
396. 19:50i would consider that to be an ulterior
397. 19:53motive yes
398. 19:54you were showing a check from somebody
399. 19:55named holly or two holly do you have any
400. 19:57idea what that involves
401. 19:59no idea i want to also ask you
402. 20:02you were questioned about um collect
403. 20:05calls
404. 20:06and whether they were accepted were
405. 20:08collect calls also accepted
406. 20:10from the spouses of uh
407. 20:14durst family members yes and
408. 20:17you were also asked particularly about a
409. 20:20call from san francisco
410. 20:22uh in february 2002 a collect call did
411. 20:24you recall that
412. 20:25you do revolving so the best of your
413. 20:27knowledge was your brother tom living in
414. 20:29the san francisco area in 1982
415. 20:32i really can't say i don't recall based
416. 20:35on your
417. 20:36knowledge and experience are you aware
418. 20:39of any durst family members
419. 20:41living in pay phones
420. 20:44in barnegat new jersey or ship bottom
421. 20:47new jersey
422. 20:48no as far as you know of any durst
423. 20:50members were they
424. 20:51living in pay phones or no no no durst
425. 20:54family members were living
426. 20:56in your paypal so if those calls
427. 20:58emanated from pay phones
428. 21:00the calls that i asked you about from
429. 21:02new jersey would those be consistent
430. 21:03with the kind of phone numbers that
431. 21:05would be accepted
432. 21:06by durst employees
433. 21:08[Music]
434. 21:12yes objection yes say what your
435. 21:14rejection is well i i guess i should
436. 21:16have objected
437. 21:17quicker about living in a pay phone
438. 21:20that's just ridiculous i think in the
439. 21:21booth
440. 21:22but uh yeah that's uh that is
441. 21:28ridiculous let that one go
442. 21:31go ahead yeah so i want you to assume
443. 21:34for a moment that the calls from the
444. 21:36jury that i asked you about
445. 21:38emanated from pay phones one of them
446. 21:41inside a laundry mat
447. 21:42i want you to assume that for a moment
448. 21:44are you aware of any durst
449. 21:48there's already been a stipulation
450. 21:49regarding phone numbers
451. 21:52are you aware of any durst family
452. 21:54members or their spouses
453. 21:56living in pay phones or in a laundromat
454. 21:58in new jersey at that time
455. 22:00thank you i'm not aware of it overall
456. 22:03um let's talk about the collect call
457. 22:06from mavis tire shop
458. 22:09yes you've now seen the phone records is
459. 22:12that correct
460. 22:13that's correct do the phone records
461. 22:15definitively show
462. 22:16that the collect call from mavis tire
463. 22:18was made on february 2nd
464. 22:20and not february 1st 1982. that is
465. 22:22correct
466. 22:23is it fair to say that either
467. 22:27it says whether it was done this or that
468. 22:30and then he said that's correct
469. 22:31so it doesn't the answer doesn't
470. 22:35respond to the question non-responsive
471. 22:39okay let me look
472. 22:42i thought i understood the answer but as
473. 22:45it was affirming the premise of the
474. 22:46question
475. 22:48you didn't understand it that way well
476. 22:50the premise of the question was was it
477. 22:51made from this play for
478. 22:53the first or from the second and he said
479. 22:56that's correct well that doesn't answer
480. 22:58the question
481. 22:59why don't you go through those questions
482. 23:01and answers again
483. 23:03you've had a chance to look at those
484. 23:04phone records correct that is correct
485. 23:07and there was a collect call made from
486. 23:09your katona house on february 1st is
487. 23:11that right that's correct
488. 23:12yes there was another call made on
489. 23:14tuesday february 2nd
490. 23:16from mavis tire in katona is that
491. 23:19correct
492. 23:20that is correct and
493. 23:23as you sit here today are you the person
494. 23:26who made the call
495. 23:27from mavis tire in katona i am the
496. 23:30person who made the call
497. 23:32on february 2nd tuesday
498. 23:36sorry sorry hey try it again
499. 23:39okay are you the person who made the
500. 23:42collect call
501. 23:43from mavis tire in katona on february
502. 23:46mavis tires in mount kisco that's what
503. 23:48you're trying to i'm sorry
504. 23:49my fault i am the person who made the
505. 23:52call from davis
506. 23:53thank you from mavis tire in mount disco
507. 23:56excuse me
508. 23:57and that is the call that appears on the
509. 24:00call sheet you looked at is that correct
510. 24:01that is correct so mr durst
511. 24:05is it fair to say that either when you
512. 24:06were interviewed you mistakenly said
513. 24:08that call was made on monday
514. 24:10or the detectives mistakenly wrote down
515. 24:12monday
516. 24:14i believe in thinking about it that i
517. 24:16said tuesday the first
518. 24:19and it was both of our mistakes and
519. 24:22tuesday was the second is that right
520. 24:23yes and as you sit here today
521. 24:26is it fair to say that you have a better
522. 24:28memory
523. 24:30that you in fact made this collect call
524. 24:33regarding
525. 24:34the tires from the shop in mount kisco
526. 24:37versus whether it occurred on monday or
527. 24:39tuesday
528. 24:40i have a very yes i have a very good
529. 24:44recollection of making that call from
530. 24:47mavis
531. 24:48you know you've testified mister uh de
532. 24:51garin has asked you about
533. 24:52bob and kathy using quaaludes
534. 24:55that was in the early 70s correct that
535. 24:57is correct
536. 24:58that was before they bought their home
537. 25:00in south salem and we're living with you
538. 25:01correct that is correct
539. 25:03and at that time you had children who
540. 25:05were living with you correct
541. 25:06that is correct it so
542. 25:09was the issue that kathy durst was a
543. 25:12quaalude or cocaine addict or was the
544. 25:15issue that you just didn't want
545. 25:17drug use happening in front of your
546. 25:18children
547. 25:20uh that was one of the issues it was a
548. 25:23very difficult living situation
549. 25:26with the young children in the house
550. 25:31and one thing that sticks out in my
551. 25:34memory is that
552. 25:35i hung a swing
553. 25:39on a tree outside a window really
554. 25:42responsive
555. 25:43really i'll allow the witness to explain
556. 25:46his answer
557. 25:48and bob bob cut the swing down
558. 25:51made my children very upset so it wasn't
559. 25:53a good rule good
560. 25:54it wasn't just the drugs it was just the
561. 25:56whole relationship
562. 25:58and were the issues that you had which
563. 26:01caused you
564. 26:02to want bob and cathy to leave were they
565. 26:04issues with
566. 26:05bob or were the issues with kathy or the
567. 26:08issues with both who were the issues
568. 26:09with the issues
569. 26:10with bob um
570. 26:14at any point in time either when you
571. 26:16lived with kathy or
572. 26:17afterwards did you ever see her
573. 26:20exhibiting
574. 26:20signs that she was a drug addict no i
575. 26:23nervous those times
576. 26:24her being a drug addict um you also said
577. 26:28you were asked about
578. 26:29bob's phone call when he told you about
579. 26:31kathy being missing
580. 26:32and your words were that he seemed
581. 26:35distraught when he told you the cat
582. 26:37is missing do you recall that testimony
583. 26:38i do yes do you know if he was actually
584. 26:40distraught
585. 26:42speculation um overall
586. 26:48he did he did not seem as distraught as
587. 26:52i would have been if my wife had was
588. 26:54missing for three days
589. 26:56and to whatever level he appeared
590. 26:58distraught do you know if that was
591. 26:59genuine
592. 27:00speculation over overall
593. 27:04do you remember my question i remember
594. 27:06your question and
595. 27:08uh there's no almost no emotion that bob
596. 27:11shows that is genuine
597. 27:14and let me ask you something
598. 27:17given your relationship with your
599. 27:19brother
600. 27:21i want you to assume the father i want
601. 27:23you to assume
602. 27:25that bob durst has killed his wife would
603. 27:27you expect him on the phone
604. 27:28to say hey douglas uh sunday night
605. 27:32i killed my wife kathy no he would not
606. 27:34say that
607. 27:35whether bob was guilty or innocent would
608. 27:37you expect bob
609. 27:39to tell you or to attempt to appear
610. 27:41distraught over his missing wife
611. 27:44he would attempt to appear destroyed yes
612. 27:49there was also you testified in response
613. 27:51to mr dagaran
614. 27:53that quote that bob gave every
615. 27:55appearance unquote that he wanted kathy
616. 27:57found
617. 27:59again do you know if the quote
618. 28:02every appearance was genuine speculation
619. 28:08the question is whether he knows not not
620. 28:10whether it was
621. 28:11do you know if it was genuine i do not
622. 28:13know if it was genuine
623. 28:17do you have any idea you were asked
624. 28:20about
625. 28:20what bob did do you have any idea what
626. 28:22instructions bob gave to his private
627. 28:25detective
628. 28:26or exactly what he asked him to do i do
629. 28:28not know
630. 28:31i want to go back to the wedding in
631. 28:33houston
632. 28:34that you attended shortly before morris
633. 28:37black was killed
634. 28:38at the time that you attended that
635. 28:40wedding were you aware that your brother
636. 28:42was living in a rundown
637. 28:44studio apartment in galveston disguised
638. 28:45as a mute woman no it was not
639. 28:48did you know prior to him coming to
640. 28:50houston where he was residing at all
641. 28:54no i learned in houston that he was
642. 28:58living in galilee
643. 28:59did you learn at the time specifically
644. 29:03where he was living no did you know that
645. 29:06he was living
646. 29:07in galveston as a new woman no i did not
647. 29:09know
648. 29:10as far as you know did anybody else in
649. 29:13your family at that wedding
650. 29:14were they aware that bob durst was
651. 29:16living as a mute woman in galveston
652. 29:20yes asking what other people knew that
653. 29:22that's called speculation speculation
654. 29:25this is true
655. 29:29your honor can mr garren make his the
656. 29:32court has said you want ground stated
657. 29:33for injections that's right well texas
658. 29:35is a little different
659. 29:36sorry what does the judge help in texas
660. 29:38you know
661. 29:44let me ask it this way
662. 29:46[Music]
663. 29:49at the time that the wedding took place
664. 29:53are you aware so i'm asking what you
665. 29:56personally know
666. 29:57are you aware of whether any of your
667. 30:00family members
668. 30:01knew that bob durst was living in
669. 30:04galveston texas new orleans
670. 30:07not aware of any of my family members
671. 30:08knowing that bob was living
672. 30:10as a mutant woman in galveston texas i
673. 30:13want you to assume for a moment
674. 30:14that one of your family members had
675. 30:16known that at the time given your
676. 30:18relationship
677. 30:18is that something that you think would
678. 30:20have been shared with you hold on
679. 30:22that's a improper um
680. 30:26normal question overall
681. 30:29yes they would have told me immediately
682. 30:32finally mr degarin has brought up to you
683. 30:38problems that kathy durst was having in
684. 30:40medical school
685. 30:41he has said with studies with rotations
686. 30:45and at medical school do you recall him
687. 30:47asking
688. 30:48you those questions yes i do did you
689. 30:51know
690. 30:52mr dirk that at the time that your
691. 30:54brother has admitted
692. 30:55that he was emotionally abusing and
693. 30:57physically abusing
694. 30:59and terrorizing his wife throughout that
695. 31:02period
696. 31:03when she was trying to complete her
697. 31:05medical school studies
698. 31:06i have since learned that that that's
699. 31:09the case yes
700. 31:12thank you i have no further questions
701. 31:13additional questions
702. 31:16may this witness be excused yes your
703. 31:18honor
704. 31:19yes yes your excuses
705. 31:22thank you yeah we were going to start
706. 31:25but it would give us 10 minutes of the
707. 31:27next witness
708. 31:30i've had quite
709. 31:36let's spread it out over the weekend
710. 32:02ladies and gentlemen we should
711. 32:06expect we'll be able to start tomorrow
712. 32:08at nine if everything lines up perfectly
713. 32:12so do not talk about the case or about
714. 32:14any of the people or any subject
715. 32:15involved in it with anyone including the
716. 32:17other jurors don't make up your mind
717. 32:19about any issue until you discuss the
718. 32:20case
719. 32:21with the other jurors during
720. 32:23deliberations don't converse
721. 32:25among yourselves or with anyone else on
722. 32:28any subject connected with this case do
723. 32:30not form or express any opinion on the
724. 32:39case