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0:05foreign
0:10radio news center in Kansas I'm Gordon
0:13Basham with the two o'clock report 30
0:16years have gone by since the serial
0:17killer calling himself BTK took the life
0:20of his first victim now Wichita Police
0:22say they solved the case with the arrest
0:24of a 59 year old Park City man
0:27today is a very historic day
0:30the bottom line
0:33BTK is arrested
0:36[Applause]
0:43people in Wichita had been terrorized by
0:47the concept of this buying torture kill
0:49an individual for 30 years from 74 to
0:532005. is without doubt the most unusual
0:56case we've ever had here in Wichita
0:59I thought this is a this is a master
1:01criminal I mean he's eluded hundreds of
1:03investigators over the years the man
1:06accused of being the BTK serial killer
1:08returns to a Kansas courtroom this
1:10morning
1:11everybody wanted to know what this guy
1:14was about who this guy was and more
1:16important how he could kill 10 people
1:19including two children
1:23the questions people here were asking
1:25maybe answered soon by Raider himself
1:30I need to find out more information
1:34well I mean I I strangled Mrs on Terrell
1:38and she went out
1:40or passed out I thought she was dead she
1:42passed out and I strangled
1:44Josephine it was so quiet in that
1:47courtroom you could hear a fly landing
1:50on a piece of paper a mile away in there
1:52Dennis Raider was in the center ring of
1:56a three-ring circus and the spotlight
1:58was on hand
2:00because of his ego he loved that
2:02absolutely loved that at that point in
2:05time strangled her for the death
2:08strangle at that time with your hand
2:09there was no regret there was no you
2:13know I feel bad for doing this what
2:16happened then oh
2:18um trying to find a place to hide her
2:19hide the body
2:20did you find a place yes yes it did you
2:24got to be kidding me I looked at this
2:26and I thought
2:28that is what killed all these women far
2:31better than the trunk of the car
2:37when people watch the televised
2:39courtroom confession of Dennis Raider
2:41they basically thought they knew the
2:43whole story
2:45but for me that was just a start
2:49hello you have a prepaid call from
2:52Dennis L reader an inmate at Kansas
2:55Department of Corrections to accept this
2:58call press or save
3:00when you went before judge Waller and he
3:04asked you to talk about the details of
3:06all the crimes what was what were you
3:08thinking what was that like for you
3:19were you feeling anything when that was
3:21happening was I just unloaded uh maybe
3:24the wave a pressure valve I guess okay
3:29I'm Dr Catherine ramsland professor of
3:33forensic psychology
3:34I've been corresponding with Dennis
3:36Rader for over 10 years to try to
3:39understand what led him to become one of
3:42the most notorious serial killers in
3:44America he really controlled Wichita
3:47during that time period Raider wanted
3:49you to know he was watching you he was
3:52aware of you he wants you to feel his
3:55eyes on you that's so frightening
3:58I think it's very important to
4:00understand how any given individual
4:03could become an extreme offender
4:07why do they make these Life Choices
4:09what kinds of mental states do we see in
4:12these people
4:14the story isn't over because at this
4:17point we still don't know or at least I
4:20don't know what caused Dennis Rader to
4:22become the monster that he did I don't
4:25know I'm not sure do you know I think I
4:27know
4:29what made you so sick you son of a [ __ ]
4:34Dennis Raider is a monster Dennis Raider
4:37is the worst of humanity
4:40I don't want the story to go away until
4:42we find out why
4:44why did he decide that his life was
4:46going to be that of a killer
4:49this is the first time that Raider has
4:51explored these topics in depth with
4:54anyone why did you want to put your
4:56story out there
4:59the main thing is to help people like
5:01yourself understand a dark mind you know
5:04I lived a normal life you gotta have a
5:06real dark mind
5:07and that's the 64 000 question
5:12why did I do that
5:14each serial killer has a unique set of
5:17factors that turns him or her into
5:20monsters
5:21the more information we have the more we
5:24understand what makes them tick the
5:26easier it will be to prevent them
5:29foreign
5:32[Music]
5:46Killers have interested me for about 30
5:49years and in part because when I was a
5:53kid there was a serial killer operating
5:54in my neighborhood before anyone even
5:57used the phrase serial killer
6:01and my brother's friends found the first
6:05body on their Farm an Eastern Michigan
6:08University student was charged today
6:09with one of the seven co-ed murders in
6:12the Ann Arbor Michigan area John Collins
6:1422 year old student at the University
6:16School of Education John Norman Collins
6:18is also known as The Co-Ed Killer
6:21because co-eds from two different
6:23University campuses in the area were
6:26being picked up and murdered
6:29what fascinated me to watch the
6:32development of this case in the
6:34newspapers and I wanted to find out more
6:38about serial killers
6:40later in life as I became a professor of
6:44forensic psychology
6:46extreme offenders were something we knew
6:48very little about
6:50and I wanted to contribute to that
6:54I've published 68 books and have four
6:57more in the works
7:00not only do I write about serial killers
7:02I'm constantly teaching I do police
7:05trainings I do a broad variety of
7:09activities all surrounding my knowledge
7:12of extreme offenders
7:15a lot of myths have cropped up about
7:18serial killers so I especially want to
7:21study cases that show that these myths
7:25just don't work
7:27and law enforcement needs to understand
7:29this so that they don't dismiss a
7:32potential suspect too soon
7:36Dr Catherine ramsland is one of the
7:39leading serial killer experts
7:42understand how we might notice certain
7:47behaviors at an early age pick up on
7:49those behaviors and get help for those
7:52behaviors before it's too late
7:58when Dennis Raider was finally caught
8:02and revealed to be this older guy panchy
8:07balding guy
8:09I was interested in the media response
8:12to him this is a man a family man who
8:15went home to his wife and two children
8:17every night Dr why were there no red
8:19flags why did nobody see this he was a
8:21church leader a family man right there
8:22in the middle of the community you know
8:23I'm Amazed by that as well that nobody
8:25was able to figure out that this guy had
8:27this this secret life that he was hiding
8:30the media wanted a specific type of
8:33person to fit the mold of serial killer
8:38but he'd been a family man a churchgoer
8:41he had a job you know he he basically
8:43blasted all the FBI stereotypes out of
8:47the water
8:47[Music]
8:51one of the reasons I wanted to work with
8:54him was to look at someone who appears
8:57to be an outlier
8:59and see what he teaches us
9:04because he's not unique
9:08there are others who have been family
9:11men churchgoers
9:13seemingly normal people who have these
9:17thoughts and sometimes act on these
9:20thoughts
9:21and so I think it's important for us to
9:23not just understand them but also treat
9:27them before they become serial killers
9:34my initial Communications with Dennis
9:36Rader were were kind of interesting he
9:39liked the fact that I came in with
9:41credentials because it meant he was
9:44being taken seriously
9:46but at the same time he wanted to test
9:49me
9:50he said he wanted me to solve some codes
9:54and he liked working with codes
9:58he began to send me cut out pages from
10:02magazines and newspapers where he'd
10:04Circle things and he'd make odd comments
10:07at like at one point he said I
10:11understand you're interested in recipes
10:13of the three layer kind
10:16I thought that was strange because I
10:19actually don't cook and especially three
10:23layer recipes so I didn't really quite
10:25get what he meant
10:27I put the whole alphabet down a b c d e
10:30and then I looked at each of the pieces
10:34of paper that had things Circle or items
10:37in his letter that corresponded to the
10:40ABCD letters
10:42and wrote everything I could down
10:45but then I began to see the things that
10:47he had circled
10:49like beef
10:51Tangy
10:53King so there's k
10:56and then it dawned on me what the three
11:00layer recipes were BTK
11:03for bind them torture them kill them
11:07and so once I returned the code to him
11:11and said okay what's next he recognized
11:15not that I had solved the code but that
11:17I would play the game
11:20so so your fantasy Lake was more
11:23important to you than your real life it
11:25sounds like
11:31you know not very far away I could
11:33switch gears and move into one and move
11:36out to the other very quickly
11:39there's a great value in understanding
11:42Dennis Raider and his motivations the
11:45things that made him do what he did
11:48if we have more people who are skilled
11:51at recognizing those aspects of a person
11:54that might lead them in a path of some
11:57criminal Behavior whether it be a serial
11:59killer or or whatever if they can
12:02intervene I mean think of the lives that
12:05they'll save I would love it that you
12:07could just get some of this stuff off
12:09your chest your health is declining and
12:12I think it'd be really great for you to
12:14be able to just say what you need to say
12:17is that okay with you
12:19yeah I think so
12:21[Music]
12:28people refer to Wichita as a big little
12:31small town and a lot of people don't
12:33realize how big wichita's is the biggest
12:35city you know in Kansas
12:38and wichita's just this very livable
12:41place with very friendly people
12:46it's a small town with small town values
12:49neighborly people
12:51right in the middle of the country
12:57[Music]
12:59Dennis Rader was raised primarily in
13:01Wichita
13:02and moved to the suburb of Park City
13:05when he got married
13:09when I'm writing about any person I want
13:13to see what they saw smell what they
13:16smelled feel the air
13:19where did he work kinds of travel routes
13:23did he use
13:24it's almost as if I'm putting myself in
13:27their headspace
13:30there's a psychology in it
13:33good morning hello Dennis
13:36I'm in Wichita haven't been here since
13:382016. oh
13:41are you ready to go
13:43okay
13:46Dennis Rader is in El Dorado
13:48Correctional Facility in Kansas
13:51he's in a Cell by himself apart from the
13:55general population in the prison but he
13:57does have a phone that he can use
14:02okay
14:06nervous okay
14:09in order to produce the kind of book I
14:12wanted I needed to get permission from
14:15family members of the victims who had
14:17formed a trust
14:20Dennis Rader had signed over his life
14:23rights to the victim's Family Trust as
14:27part of a settlement
14:29so Dennis Rader gets absolutely no
14:32profit from any of the work I do with
14:34him
14:35so what's your cell like
14:42the way to approach really any offender
14:46is to be non-judgmental that's the first
14:49rule you have to be able to listen to
14:53what they have to say no matter what
14:54they have to say the country has
14:58and
15:00address I mean they look for Eyes First
15:03and that's what I usually spot the ice
15:04and then I
15:06probably call hundreds and hundreds of
15:08those things off the floor
15:13I call them Escape monsters
15:16but at the same time you also must keep
15:19your goals in mind you must set
15:22parameters and keep some respect in the
15:24process is that why you call yourself a
15:27cave monster
15:29yeah
15:30call me a monster
15:31I am sort of a monster collector
15:33basically a doctor or Dr Jekyll and Dr
15:36Hyde Raider loves to manipulate people
15:39and I know despite a long involvement
15:43with Dennis Raider
15:45I could easily be used and exploited in
15:48some way so yeah I have to keep my guard
15:50up really all the time
15:57Dennis Raider was 28 years old when he
16:00murdered four members of the Otero
16:03family
16:04by all appearances Dennis Rader was an
16:07average Joe and he lived in Wichita his
16:10whole life except for the years from
16:131966 to 1970 when he served in the Air
16:16Force
16:20I'm at the Raider family before Dennis
16:23we went to church together at Christ
16:26Lutheran
16:28I remember Dennis coming back in 70 from
16:31the service it was a big deal all the
16:34the people of the church who had been
16:36there for years knew him so they were
16:39welcoming home and you know how you
16:42doing and were you going to work
16:44we had an old basketball goal up
16:48Dennis and his brothers would play
16:51you just didn't like to lose
16:53he was a little bit of a bully arrogant
16:56older better whatever you know those
17:00kind of things
17:03in 1970 Dennis Rader returned from the
17:07Air Force and he's 25 years old
17:10the world that Dennis Raiders coming
17:12back to
17:14the Midwest puts a big emphasis on
17:16Family Values
17:18where what matters is going to church
17:22getting a job
17:24getting married and raising a family
17:28his parents wanted to introduce him to a
17:31girl at their Church
17:33he met her
17:35and got married pretty quickly
17:38what were you anticipating when you
17:41thought about getting married what were
17:43you anticipating being as a husband well
17:47I think the main thing I'm in love I was
17:49really in love with my wife and I still
17:51am I I still have one memories
17:55all in love we don't really have any
17:57other thoughts except we want to
17:59eventually you know Mary that that
18:01marriage or person that you've met
18:03falling in love with
18:05the question is commonly raised can
18:09serial killers can they ever really love
18:12someone
18:13if a serial killer has what we call the
18:18brain of a psychopath their emotions
18:21tend to be shallow and their ability to
18:24process moral information is distorted
18:28if Dennis Raider talks about loving
18:32someone it could be that he really
18:35doesn't experience that very deeply
18:38Raider got his dream job as he would
18:41call it at Cessna building aircraft
18:44but then a short time later he lost the
18:46job
18:48and this was a big failure for him
18:51he couldn't figure out why he'd been
18:53laid off and he also had the pressure of
18:55how he'd support his wife
18:58you got a job at Cessna which you loved
19:02right and then and then you were laid
19:04off how did what was that like for you
19:08oh that was a tremendous blow to me
19:11that was really set me off on going to
19:14my first break-in
19:16the day I got laid off but but why would
19:19that why would getting laid off get you
19:21to the point where you want to break in
19:23someone's house
19:34and vote in my first home
19:38when you talk about your organized
19:40offender which if you look from Dennis
19:42Rader's perspective most of what he did
19:44was would fall into what we call an
19:46organized offender Style
19:49they plan and he actually would execute
19:53practice sessions to see what it was
19:55like to break glass go through a house
19:58he wasn't familiar with until he thought
20:00he was ready he would try to get the
20:01timing down of his potential Suspects
20:04then use that to have a successful event
20:09involved in your layoff why would you
20:12pick someone like that to take out your
20:15frustration on
20:16basically I wanted to do something
20:21you know that was the way to relieve my
20:22frustration did it work
20:25Oh no I got worse
20:27when he got fired he was so angry that
20:32he wanted to do something destructive
20:35to act out against Society
20:38and that meant breaking laws
20:40and that made him feel better
20:43it just gave him a sense of being
20:44powerful again
20:46and he was ready to move forward with
20:49something far more serious and lethal
20:52I started on this dark side a long time
20:56before that and the volcano was finally
20:58starting to erupt
21:09in 1974 Wichita was just a large
21:13Midwestern City about 250 000 people
21:17lived here
21:18the main jobs here were Agriculture and
21:21Aviation
21:24what we didn't have here is crime
21:28we had the occasional burglaries and
21:30robberies
21:31but the bad stuff happened on the east
21:34or west coast it didn't happen in
21:36Wichita Kansas
21:40we ended up in Wichita after my father
21:42we'd gotten out of the Air Force he
21:44found a job here in Wichita at Cook
21:46Airfield
21:47there was five of us kids in the family
21:51I was the oldest
21:53Josie was very artistic creative she
21:57wrote poetry drew a lot of pictures
22:00Joey was just like a little man I mean
22:03he was already a lady killer good
22:05looking totally athletic
22:08my mom and dad had this relationship of
22:11unbelievable love
22:14you know
22:16he adored her
22:18it's kind of love you wish you could
22:21find they lived together and they died
22:23together he basically died licking each
22:26other's eyes
22:29in January of 1974 I was 15 years old
22:34it had been snowing
22:36it was a day of testing for school
22:39I asked my dad to take me to school
22:40early that day so that I could get to
22:43that early study hall and Danny and
22:45Carmen had to go with me because they
22:48were riding with him also
22:50took my test
22:52everything
22:54I was walking home
22:56walked over to the back gate opened it
23:00up and my dog lucky was outside
23:04and that was totally not normal so I
23:08said hey lucky what are you doing out
23:09here buddy
23:11I went to back door opened it up
23:16and I noticed that my mom's purse was on
23:18the stove flipped up
23:22so I yelled out is anybody home
23:25one of my siblings bailed out Charlie
23:27come back here Mom and Dad are playing a
23:29bad trick on us
23:31so I ran back down the hall
23:34I looked and saw my mom laying on the
23:36bed
23:37she was beat up
23:40my dad had a belter on his neck
23:43you could smell the death you smell the
23:46fear you could smell all I could to this
23:48day I can smell fear
23:51my heart just broke it felt like
23:54somebody had ripped my chest wide open
23:56and taken and pulled my heart out
24:00I told Danny to get on the phone and
24:02call the police
24:05healed that the phone was dead
24:08so I told Danny to go next door and call
24:10the police
24:11[Music]
24:13crime scene investigators and detectives
24:15from Wichita Police showed up and the
24:19three older Otero children didn't know
24:22where their 11 year old sister was and
24:24nine-year-old brother
24:27when police went through the house
24:30they also found Joey Jr dead in his
24:34bedroom
24:36and Josephine hanged from a pipe in the
24:39basement
24:43they took us
24:45apartment
24:46I asked for Joey and Josie
24:49and finally a police captain and a
24:51chaplain came up to me and said Charlie
24:53we got to tell you
24:55that joy and Josie
24:58we're in the house
24:59and once again it felt like they ripped
25:02my heart out it's all over again
25:07foreign
25:16the crime scene investigators noted that
25:20the thermostat had been turned extremely
25:22high
25:29I did things like that
25:32radar would often take his ideas from
25:35True Detective magazines or fiction
25:38about crimes and so he had read if you
25:42turn up the thermostat it makes bodies
25:46decompose faster and foils the ability
25:50to determine the time of depth
25:54the lack of items stolen would give you
25:57the indication that the motive Behind
26:00These killings was not a home invasion
26:02it was more for the sexual gratification
26:05[Music]
26:07the police when they'd found 11 year old
26:10Josephine partially clothed there were
26:13semen on her and around her body
26:18DNA was not even on the law enforcement
26:21radar in the 70s and that's one of the
26:24remarkable things about this case is the
26:26way the Wichita Police Department
26:27original crime scene folks collected
26:30that evidence and maintained it so that
26:32it was not contaminated so that it was
26:35available for DNA when DNA came along
26:37years later
26:39the Otero murders were the first taste
26:43of a Maniac that we knew was loose
26:46somewhere in Wichita somewhere in Kansas
26:49we thought it was a one-off a one-time
26:52deal
26:53we were wrong
27:01we're on our way
27:02to
27:04what was once the Otero house
27:07where Dennis Rader committed his first
27:11murders four people in a single family
27:16hi doctor hello pleasure to meet you too
27:21can you tell me something about when you
27:23were here that day what it was like we
27:26had no idea what was going on here at
27:29all
27:30detectives were running in and out and
27:33no one would talk to me but you knew
27:35them and they knew you I knew them and
27:37I'd go up to them and they'd say can't
27:40talk now
27:41busy
27:42in 1974 I was the chief photographer for
27:46cake tv
27:48all the reporters there were trying to
27:50get to the police department to say
27:52something finally they said that four
27:55people had died in the house
27:59well that was huge
28:02four people dying in a house in Wichita
28:04Kansas that just didn't happen
28:06the bodies of Joseph Otero his wife
28:09Julie their daughter Josephine and their
28:11son Joseph II were discovered in their
28:13East Wichita home the victims had been
28:15bound gagged and strangled with a cord
28:19the investigators look shaken and it was
28:22basically from the children what they
28:24saw and what had been done to the
28:27children
28:27that would Shake anybody
28:31do you remember where you spotted her
28:43well I thought she didn't like to drive
28:44on that
28:46wasn't at work that time I was probably
28:48in that area where the hotel and then
28:51saw her and the kids go to school one
28:53day so I thought well this might be it
28:55well for a fantasy victim would become
28:58real
29:00foreign
29:02ER he had targeted the wife not the
29:06children the children were just
29:08collateral damage
29:10and he said it in such a matter-of-fact
29:12way
29:13that was Haunting
29:16when I just focused on
29:24what was your plan what did you think
29:26you're going to do that day
29:27[Music]
29:31Northwest of Wichita
29:34and I was going to pick her and kidnap
29:36her
29:37probably anger
29:41materials are going to mess up the whole
29:43formula he wasn't supposed to be there
29:45he was they had a fence all the way
29:49around
29:49I hadn't looked over the side of the
29:52fence
29:53all of a sudden their dog prints all
29:55over the place
29:56didn't think about that
29:58but Earl had to do something
30:01that was teed up too much
30:04but about that time I reached down
30:07fire d
30:10got the phone line
30:14he didn't know that Joseph
30:16otero's senior was not going to work he
30:19also did not know they had a dog
30:23all he's thinking about is he's picked
30:25them he has a limited time frame in
30:28which to act and now he must complete
30:31the plan
30:33what we do know about
30:35Psychopathic Killers is that they tend
30:38to over Focus
30:40so it's as if they're a train and a
30:43track that is not going to stop until it
30:45gets to its goal no matter what
30:48as you talk to Dennis Rader did you feel
30:50at any point that he was trying to
30:52manipulate you always yeah but I always
30:55knew that's how he operates you've
30:59researched all these serial killers do
31:01you have dreams I do not in part I think
31:05because I do it clinically do you
31:08compartmentalize I probably do that's
31:10just what Raider said he did he actually
31:12has a better word for it cubing Raider's
31:15idea of cubing is that he's the cube
31:18with multiple size if he can switch in
31:20and out at any given time for whatever
31:22is necessary but he's still all these
31:25other things
31:27remember the cube you know big guy bad
31:30guy
31:30that's so curly father and husband to my
31:34family
31:36I worked at church I worked at Scouts
31:39there's the Dark Side of Me
31:44and that's a very strong
31:49after Raider had killed four people he
31:52went home
31:53they knew that he had to present himself
31:55to his wife as if everything was normal
31:58so he pulled it together very quickly
32:00and managed to act as if it was just a
32:05regular day and nothing had happened and
32:08in retrospect
32:10she didn't see anything different about
32:12him
32:13so he was able to cube
32:15very quickly
32:19Dennis Rader and other serial killers
32:22like him can present themselves in
32:25multiple ways whenever works for their
32:29purposes
32:30and have no real concern about any
32:34inconsistencies or contradictions
32:36including moral judgments
32:39and so yes he can say he feels shame or
32:44remorse
32:45but that can all be erased immediately
32:48if he's trying to present the face of
32:50BTK the infamous serial killer
32:55did you think you would do it again did
32:57you think it would that's it I'm done
32:59it's out of my system or did you think I
33:01that wasn't that wasn't there for a
33:03while I guess you called up okay
33:12and then they're ready to go at it again
33:18foreign
33:21it was horrible for people here in
33:24Wichita which was pretty much a sleepy
33:26little town
33:28to all of a sudden find that this major
33:30Massacre of a family had happened right
33:34here in our in our community
33:37it was a huge story
33:39most people at that time thought it was
33:42a drug deal
33:43because no person in their right mind
33:45would kill a family
33:47that didn't happen at all
33:51quadruple homicides today are still rare
33:54thankfully
33:56but you can imagine how rare they were
33:58then and then the kind of attention that
34:01that kind of a homicide garnered and the
34:04public outrage and the public fear and
34:06the demands that those investigators
34:08felt when lead after lead after lead LED
34:11them nowhere
34:14in 1974 no one in law enforcement was
34:18using the phrase serial killer it would
34:21really end up being used later that
34:24decade and into the 1980s
34:26but nobody really understood what serial
34:29murder was about in particular stranger
34:31murder
34:32fear spread quickly in the community
34:34people began looking over their
34:37shoulders doors and windows were locked
34:39tight gun sales skyrocketed
34:42and the prevailing paranoia was not
34:44without good reason
34:46the Altera murders changed the life I
34:50would think of everybody in the city at
34:53that time
34:54it did in our own household we did not
34:57lock a door in our house until January
35:00of 74.
35:04when we were talking to police detectors
35:05over a series of days we were starting
35:07to find out what's happened it reminded
35:09me very much of the In Cold Blood
35:11murders in Holcomb Kansas in the 50s
35:15reminded me of that because I had been
35:17at the hanging of Richard Hickok and
35:19Smith
35:22the Clutter family was killed by a
35:26couple of recently released prison
35:28inmates that had been falsely told that
35:31they had a safe full of money at this
35:34Farm
35:35the prison inmates decided to to pull
35:38this home invasion
35:40showed up killed the family the four
35:43that were present in Cold Blood for just
35:46a small amount of money and a radio
35:47transistor radio
35:50when news of the Clutter murders rocked
35:53Kansas made a deep impression on Raider
35:56[Music]
35:59who did hear that on the radio when it
36:02happened
36:06now it's 14 sophomore
36:08I wrote Peach School in one of my
36:11employer's daughters they had a station
36:13wagon
36:14I always had a crush on her
36:17and I loved sitting the front seat and
36:19she always wore a skirt
36:22and if it's on the radio and I heard
36:25that
36:26Dennis Rader was especially interested
36:29in the fact that they had been bound
36:30with rope before being killed because he
36:34himself loved the feel of ropes around
36:38his waist and also in his fantasies he
36:43would be using rope to bind his victims
36:45so the fact that the Clutter family had
36:49been bound with rope
36:51appeal to him
36:53the one that found out
36:56that's
37:02after Raider murdered the oteros he took
37:06a radio
37:07as if to establish some link of
37:10solidarity to the Clutter Killers who
37:13also had taken a radio
37:16Raider aspired to become a serial killer
37:20so that meant he needed to study them in
37:24order to figure it out
37:26I think most serial killers are not very
37:29creative
37:31or bright about what they're doing and
37:33they do tend to read what other Killers
37:36like themselves have done and yet Raider
37:40I think
37:41took that to an extreme whereas most of
37:43what he did or thought about had been
37:46done before by someone else he really
37:49was not that creative
37:52and in order to become the serial killer
37:55he aspired to be
37:57after the oteros
37:59he had to kill again
38:02[Music]
38:08to the oteros the Catherine bright
38:11murdered wasn't very long afterward
38:13didn't you think that was risky
38:15[Music]
38:21and everything else seem to not mean
38:24that much
38:26but he played into the some of the
38:29magazines
38:34I saw her one day in her house people I
38:37thought well this might be all right I
38:39mean he's coming from somewhere at that
38:41time of the day and I'm in between
38:43classes so that's a possibility
38:47at this point he was going about his
38:50life as a student at Wichita State
38:53University and a husband and hoping to
38:56start a family
38:58it takes a different type of mentality
39:00to commit a crime during daylight hours
39:03more confidence and the ability to blend
39:07in than it would to work under the cover
39:09of Darkness so that tells you a little
39:11bit about the mentality and the planning
39:13that was going into these crimes when
39:16you had picked out Catherine bright
39:19how long did how long did you watch her
39:22before you decided to act
39:31so I thought well all I have to do is
39:34break in and be waiting for it when she
39:36comes in so I took the picture probably
39:38another month
39:42Catherine bright was a 21 year old girl
39:45who lived alone
39:47she had a brother who was 19 who lived
39:49in Valley Center
39:51one night he spent the night with his
39:54sister and so they could go shopping the
39:55next morning and they got up and they
39:57went shopping
39:58a normal day at that point
40:02BTK prided himself on meticulous
40:05planning or at least he thought he did
40:08he knew who Catherine bright was he had
40:11monitored her for a while
40:13but he was not expecting a brother
40:16well the brother came in and BTK had to
40:21do something with the brother because
40:23her brother was immediate threat he had
40:26tied me up and had me tie my sister up
40:28and he separated us in separate bedrooms
40:31and he came back in and
40:34was going to strangle me to death and I
40:37broke loose the bonds he had me tied up
40:39with and jumped up and fought him for
40:41the gun he he jerked it away from me and
40:45then he shot me the first time in the
40:46head and I went down and
40:49then he thought I was dead
40:51this was not in btk's plan at all he was
40:55there to kill Catherine bright and to do
40:58all of the torturous things that he did
41:00to Catherine bright a brother that
41:03wasn't in the plant
41:05so a second fight entails he once again
41:08shoots him thinks he's killed him and
41:11goes back to attack Catherine once more
41:13time and he next thing he heard was the
41:14front door open and Kevin's running away
41:16so he knew his time was limited so he
41:19didn't get to do everything he wanted to
41:20do he said he knew he had to kill her
41:22and just move on so he stabbed her
41:27he panicked and I just out of here
41:31stupidness I stabbed her
41:34and I didn't I didn't like to use a
41:37knife I really did
41:39but as soon as he had stabbed Catherine
41:42bright he realized this was not what he
41:44wanted to do what he liked was to
41:46strangle people to bind them and
41:49strangle them stabbing was not in the
41:51picture and never again did he use it
41:54[Music]
41:55the second
42:00second the doors wide open
42:02but I saw him running down the porch and
42:05heading out on the road
42:07so those are just total mass
42:11[Music]
42:13when did you first feel like you were a
42:16serial killer
42:18um uh probably after
42:21um
42:26when Dennis Rader the serial killer
42:29known as BTK started corresponding with
42:32me
42:33one of the first things he said was that
42:35I should take a drive into the
42:37countryside around Wichita
42:41they grew up on farms and he wanted me
42:44to look at the Barns and silos
42:47they might look ordinary but those were
42:50the places he had his first torture
42:53fantasies
42:57he had the fantasy of he was going to
43:00build this Silo of Terror
43:03and so he drew it and inside were things
43:06like the wheel of death where he would
43:09chain a victim to it
43:11and there was a train along with a
43:14railroad track because his fantasy was
43:17to tie girls to the track and have the
43:19train run over them
43:21when did you think of a barn for the
43:24elaborate torture devices
43:43or even better when somebody else was
43:46telling them
43:47later on I came up with my sexual
43:50fantasy about the silos
43:53one of the things that we know about
43:55sexually compelled serial killers like
43:59Dennis Rader is that they often have
44:01generated a fantasy life that's very
44:03Vivid to them usually starts quite Young
44:07studying that would show me what
44:10motivates them to want to kill someone
44:13but also to actually cross the line and
44:17do it good morning hello Dennis I'm Dr
44:21Catherine ramsland professor of forensic
44:24psychology and the author of multiple
44:26books about extreme offenders like
44:28serial killers
44:29I've been corresponding with Dennis
44:31Rader to try to understand what led him
44:34to become one of the most notorious
44:36serial killers in America
44:39this is the first time that Raider has
44:41explored these topics in depth with
44:44anyone people call me a monster I guess
44:47I am sort of a monster
44:48the more information we have about
44:51serial killers the more we understand
44:53what makes them tick the easier it will
44:55be to prevent them
45:02[Music]
45:11my goal with Dennis Rader is to use his
45:15story to dissolve some of the
45:18stereotypes about serial killers so that
45:21we can better identify children who
45:25might be at risk for becoming adult
45:27offenders
45:29to do that we need to understand what
45:32motivates someone like Dennis Rader
45:35so we need to look at their development
45:38their Fantasy Life and their crimes to
45:43understand it
45:47by the fall of 1974 Raider had killed
45:51the otero's murder Catherine bright
45:53attempted to kill her brother
45:57and Raider has been going about business
46:00as usual as a young husband and a
46:03student taking classes at Wichita State
46:06initially the bright murder was not
46:09associated with the Otero killings
46:12there were not a lot of similarities in
46:14the method of killing the strangulation
46:16that was used at the Otero house was
46:19different than what you found where
46:21Kathy was stabbed and that's what
46:22resulted in her death
46:24at the crime scene at the oteros the
46:26telephone line was cut and there had not
46:29been a sign of a struggle
46:31and at the bright scene of course there
46:34was a struggle as Kevin fought back and
46:36they turned Furniture over and the phone
46:39in the bedroom had been unplugged but
46:42Catherine bright was found clutching a
46:44telephone receiver in her hand she just
46:46wasn't able to make the call
46:49because Catherine Bright's brother
46:50didn't die he was able to give the
46:53police a little sketch
46:58to the news coverage afterward
47:01oh yeah very close
47:04into the newspapers and listened to the
47:07news
47:17one of the things Raiders said to me was
47:20that he always had bad luck with his
47:23crimes because something always seemed
47:26to go wrong
47:27and he always felt as if he were the
47:30victim
47:31it is because he sees his world from his
47:34point of view and no one else matters
47:37clearly he has not thought of his
47:40victims as human beings at all they
47:42belong to him and they're supposed to
47:44behave according to his fantasies and
47:47when they don't
47:49he's the victim in his mind
47:54after the Otero case and the Catherine
47:58bright case the newspaper makes a report
48:01that there were some people that had
48:03been arrested that were indicating they
48:06might have been involved in the Otero
48:08killings the one thing BTK likes more
48:10than anything else is publicity so when
48:14suspects were in custody not Dennis
48:16Raider Raider was not happy about that
48:19so Raider is thinking about wait I'm the
48:22guy where's the headline I want to see
48:25the headline and that ticked him off
48:27[Music]
48:29in October of 1974 a prominent newspaper
48:33man for the Wichita Eagle and Beacon
48:35received an anonymous telephone call
48:37telling him that there was a letter
48:39related to the Otero case on the second
48:40floor of the public library in an
48:42engineering textbook
48:45detective Bernie der Watsky was assigned
48:47to go look for the letter and he did
48:48find that
48:50[Music]
48:51the letter started out with I did this I
48:55did it myself I did it alone
48:57so let's set this straight and then he
49:00goes into a recitation of all four of
49:03the victims what position they were
49:05found in how they were killed the types
49:07of Bindings that were used the types of
49:09knots that were used whoever wrote that
49:11had intimate knowledge of the crime
49:13scene or had committed the crime
49:17at the end of the letter he mentioned
49:19that the code words for me will be bind
49:23them torture them kill them
49:25BTK
49:29what gave you that idea that you should
49:31have a name and how did you come up with
49:32it
49:39but other Killers didn't name themselves
49:42no they picked up other Media or the
49:45police and I thought I'd be a little
49:49one of the things that motivates Dennis
49:51Rader a lot is the need for attention he
49:56wanted to be considered special
49:59and other serial killers he saw them as
50:03being famous so I think he named himself
50:06because he saw the way those names
50:10generated attention and he wanted to
50:13terrorize Wichita
50:17the letter in 1974 indicated that he
50:21intended to continue to kill he said
50:23that he was occupied by a monster he
50:26doesn't know what the monster is going
50:27to do and that BTK doesn't have a choice
50:30in the victims that the monster picks
50:32the victims
50:34the decision was made by the command at
50:36that time the letter should not be
50:39shared to the public because it was work
50:42product of the investigation
50:45the eagle withheld the information from
50:48the public at the request of police and
50:51did not publicize that there was a
50:53serial killer and you know police had
50:55convinced editors at the paper at that
50:57time in the 70s that it was you know you
51:00don't want to panic the public
51:02I had a paper
51:13when Dennis is trying to talk about
51:15factor x he's saying here's the big
51:18mystery what is it that motivates me
51:22factor x was kind of what one would
51:26consider to be the evil part of him
51:29he was constantly daydreaming about how
51:32he can use sex to control others
51:36Vector X has been an overall Drive even
51:40today if I see something on TV or a
51:43picture or dark thinking about the old
51:45times and fantasy I still get that
51:47feeling you know that sexual feeling I
51:49really do I can't I can't it's just
51:51still there
51:53he wants to say there's a factor x
51:56that's alive in me that will have its
52:00way and there's not a lot I can do about
52:02that as a way to slip responsibility for
52:07the decisions he made and the actions he
52:10took
52:11because it makes him seem larger than he
52:14actually is if we can't figure him out
52:17he's a much bigger person
52:19but if he can be reduced to
52:22reasons for why he did it he's no longer
52:25special
52:29whoa
52:32[Music]
52:37kind of like a volcano when do you think
52:39that started for you
52:51let me take you back to your childhood
52:53you you haven't talked very much even to
52:56me about your father and your sense of
52:58your father
53:00okay
53:06what do you have baloney they kind of
53:14Dennis rated things to himself as a good
53:16person who did some bad things I don't
53:18buy that
53:19but he's certainly lives in an ordinary
53:24way most of the time if anyone wanted to
53:28have an association with him I mean you
53:31have to talk about ordinary things that
53:33really aren't about serial murder
53:36well I mean feel free to to eat while
53:39you're talking if you if you think you
53:41can do both I don't want you to to waste
53:43that so let's go back to your childhood
53:49okay he was a really good male model he
53:52took his sub fishing taught us how to
53:54hunt uh he worked two jobs in lighting
53:57and he was just a busy man would you say
54:00would you say you were close to him
54:02growing up then yeah I was closer to
54:05probably him to Mom but uh
54:07they were both good parents
54:09the common perception of a serial
54:13Killer's childhood is that they
54:15inevitably have endured some form of
54:19physical sexual or verbal abuse and
54:23pretty serious abuse
54:25and we need to recognize that we're
54:27wrong about that and we need to stretch
54:30our concept to accommodate somebody who
54:33didn't have child abuse
54:37Dennis Rader was born in a small town in
54:41Southeastern Kansas
54:43both grandparents had Farms
54:47there was prayer Bible reading
54:50it seemed as if he had basically an
54:53All-American Boyhood
54:56but Raider didn't mature beyond the
54:59childhood need for attention and one of
55:03the things we do see in serial killers
55:05especially those who have this
55:07Psychopathic kind of nature is an
55:10Arrested Development while he matured in
55:13other ways this need for attention
55:16remains very infantile
55:19when Raider was a boy there was an
55:23incident that happened that he thinks of
55:25as a formative event
55:31in the living room and under one of the
55:34sofas she got her the ring caught him
55:36was a spring
55:38and she couldn't reach it with your
55:40other hand
55:41because she was hurting so she asked
55:43medical for help
55:45that image of her being a terror and
55:48kind of held is going into one of my
55:52dark side
55:53[Music]
55:55the expression on his mother's space was
55:58a part of factor x watching his mother
56:00who is typically in a more powerful
56:02position be utterly helpless translates
56:05through his development later to be
56:09that's the expression I want on the face
56:11of my victims
56:13as a child there was a big progression
56:17in his sexual Fantasy Life that slowly
56:21escalated and became increasingly more
56:24deviant
56:27uh it's starting to abuse Farm cats
56:31build a box I'm going to cut out the top
56:33of it just for a cat head
56:36and I get some milk
56:39and wait till one would get in there and
56:42I pull the string the Box should drop
56:45over
56:46and let's stick his head up through the
56:48hole
56:49and I had a news for
56:51I never knew that
56:53why did you like hanging cats
56:56there was some sexual excitement there
56:58to see them hung
57:02he did admit that he had tortured
57:04kittens cats when he was younger and it
57:07seems that a lot of the serial killers
57:08prefer cats what they will tell you is
57:10that it sounds like a female in distress
57:12when you torture a cat
57:15why does he not see the immorality of
57:18his treatment but also why does he
57:20relish it he loved utter helplessness
57:24and Desperation and needing him to
57:27decide to let them go it would certainly
57:30be a training ground for what is coming
57:33for him in the future
57:36at a young age one of the things was
57:39really fixated with was bondage and it
57:42led to his actually experimenting on
57:44himself
57:45my fifth grade teacher she was a real
57:49dominating female and she used to pick
57:52on weaklings like me
57:55but anyway she became my first fantasy
57:57victim
57:59I would sneak out and do some window
58:02peeking and so I catch her occasionally
58:04in her bedroom that Forum I had my first
58:07sexual outlet and it wasn't it wasn't
58:11normal because it wasn't with the female
58:13it was me tying myself up in a in a
58:16headed role against the fence and I had
58:18this weird feeling
58:19and whoa what was this what happened
58:23to create that again I had to use
58:26quantity
58:28the Rope is already become an arousal
58:31mechanism keeping on people has been
58:34something that has made him feel
58:35powerful now we put it together with a
58:38woman he wants to have power over quite
58:40specifically and he ejaculates this
58:45cements the paraphilia
58:48is a trigger to arousal that is
58:52considered to be deviant sometimes to
58:56the point where they can't get aroused
58:58in a normal way at all
59:01over time you start to need more more to
59:05stimulate yourself more to get excited
59:08the fantasy started to escalate even
59:11further to his wanting to carry it out
59:14on others
59:16we see these childhood fantasies come
59:19full circle in the Otero murders where
59:22all four victims were tied up strangled
59:25or hanged like the cats
59:27and he replicated in his victims the
59:30look of helplessness he'd seen on his
59:32mother's face when her hand was stuck in
59:34the sofa
59:40when Chief lamanian took over the
59:42department in 1976 BTK really wasn't on
59:47anybody's immediate radar because after
59:501974 we did not hear from BTK for about
59:53two and a half years at that point that
59:56is enough time to go by that some of us
59:58speculated that perhaps he was in prison
1:00:00or he had been killed
1:00:02[Music]
1:00:04what authorities didn't know is that
1:00:07Raider was starting a family in the Park
1:00:09City suburb of Wichita
1:00:13Dennis and his wife had their first
1:00:15child in 1975.
1:00:19Raider had gotten a job from a security
1:00:22company
1:00:24in a way it was like the perfect job
1:00:27Dennis was one of the supervisors would
1:00:29come out and supervise the installation
1:00:31I mean how ironic is that
1:00:34working at a security company enhanced
1:00:36his predatory activities he developed
1:00:39more skills and understanding of how to
1:00:42enter a home and how to get past a
1:00:44security system
1:00:46I used to like to go to people's closets
1:00:48mess around in their Chester doors and
1:00:50stuff and buying nylon socks and panties
1:00:53and things of that nature that would
1:00:55steal them
1:00:56that was kind of exciting so no one ever
1:01:00caught you or complained that things
1:01:01were missing
1:01:05while Raider's wife was home taking care
1:01:08of their newborn he began to act on his
1:01:10fantasies again and his new job allowed
1:01:13him to troll for victims
1:01:16he was always looking for victims and he
1:01:18was always monitoring his victims
1:01:20activities he called him projects
1:01:22and one of the things he kept repeating
1:01:25to me throughout the time I spent with
1:01:26him is if you become my project and you
1:01:29have a routine you're in trouble
1:01:33once you knew who you were going to
1:01:35Target what did that feel like to you
1:01:38well it's
1:01:40the Big Joe Hunter I guess you'd say
1:01:42he's got the Target or the animal and
1:01:46his sights I need a gun this is going to
1:01:49be it
1:01:52what made you so pick yourself a [ __ ]
1:01:56[Music]
1:02:03this is the neighborhood where Dennis
1:02:06Rader would roam around looking at the
1:02:09homes going backyards being a Boyer
1:02:12looking for what he called projects and
1:02:16what he really liked about this
1:02:17neighborhood was this was close to the
1:02:20interstate where it was a quick getaway
1:02:25for Raider a project is an incident that
1:02:30Raider has planned where he has targeted
1:02:33or person
1:02:35against which he's going to commit a
1:02:38crime he began to name them like someone
1:02:42playing the piano was Project piano so
1:02:45whenever he wanted to think about a
1:02:48project he had a label
1:02:51one day
1:02:53if I had to come up with some kind of
1:02:55nickname a lot of times you can name on
1:02:58a boat or the oil man they always name
1:03:01their oil wells
1:03:03when we sort of back up on this and look
1:03:05at it psychologically he's dehumanizing
1:03:09people
1:03:11he can distance himself from them and
1:03:14what he's going to do with them
1:03:16any pain they feel and he lost other
1:03:18people is of no consequence to him
1:03:21because they're projects
1:03:25[Music]
1:03:26on March 17
1:03:281977 almost three years after he killed
1:03:31Catherine bright the pressure from his
1:03:34fantasies have been building and Raider
1:03:37was ready to kill again
1:03:40Raiders had his eye on several different
1:03:43projects potential projects
1:03:46he dressed up in Tweed and you know nice
1:03:49shoes and a briefcase which was his
1:03:51James Bond outfit because he liked to
1:03:54think of himself as a spy
1:03:58when he came to the first project
1:04:00project green he knocked at the door and
1:04:04no one answered and so he figured if one
1:04:07project didn't work out there was
1:04:08another one down the street that he
1:04:10could try as well he was dressed to kill
1:04:13this is what he had in mind
1:04:17I was all geared up to do something and
1:04:19it didn't happen at project green where
1:04:21the girls were home but I think I went
1:04:23to a couple other houses knocked on the
1:04:24door so I was in the mood
1:04:26Raider then moved on to a different
1:04:29project project blackout
1:04:31and again no results he did not want to
1:04:35let this day get wasted in his mind and
1:04:39so he saw a little boy and he thought if
1:04:42that there's a little boy here he must
1:04:44have a mother at home
1:04:47so that was random but the opportunity
1:04:50struck and I already had the plan what I
1:04:52was going to do and there was the
1:04:53opportunity so I latched on to it
1:04:58in my mind I was five but I was six
1:05:01years old
1:05:03just turned six
1:05:06my mom she was sick in bed
1:05:09seen me block up the road for can of
1:05:12soup you know
1:05:14and on my way back
1:05:15man stops Me shows me a picture woman
1:05:19and child
1:05:20Aspen did I know who it was
1:05:25announcer I don't
1:05:28about 15 minutes later
1:05:31come knocking on our door
1:05:35opened
1:05:37their stood the same man
1:05:40they pushed me out of the way proceed to
1:05:42come on in
1:05:43pulled down and blind turn off TV reach
1:05:47it under
1:05:49pull that again
1:05:51well from that point he talked to us is
1:05:54in the bathroom
1:05:56put his kids in there
1:05:59put blanket
1:06:01a couple toys in there
1:06:08push the bed against the other door
1:06:11there was a crack in the door
1:06:15just enough we can see out
1:06:19I was looking through the door
1:06:24can you tape her hands and her feet
1:06:26behind her back
1:06:30and
1:06:32plastic bag overhead
1:06:36broke down around her neck laying face
1:06:39down
1:06:44he's dead
1:06:47I was ramming the bathroom door
1:06:51I finally broke a hole in it
1:06:55we got out
1:06:58I'm running around mom
1:07:02a second
1:07:14it's a
1:07:15image burned in my brain
1:07:20it'll never go away
1:07:25anytime you have a Survivor who was
1:07:29approached by an offender you do learn
1:07:33more about his Mo his approach
1:07:36whether he was persistent or not what
1:07:39kinds of things did he say how did he
1:07:41pass himself off
1:07:43Shirley had told the kids to calm down
1:07:46because she did not know she was in for
1:07:48murder that day
1:07:50she might have said to the keep
1:07:53screaming keep screaming the neighbors
1:07:54might hear you she might have said that
1:07:56except that he calmed her and assured
1:07:58her if you just do what I say it'll be
1:08:00over and I'll leave
1:08:04demonstrator was of unforgiving
1:08:06unrelenting
1:08:08Mad Men and Steve I've always felt very
1:08:14bad for him for what happened to him
1:08:15because BTK just didn't kill his mother
1:08:20BTK really killed him too
1:08:22my memory of my mom
1:08:27took over everything for a while
1:08:31I didn't care about having
1:08:33care where I went
1:08:37okay if I died
1:08:39still sometimes I wish I did
1:08:49at surely by Anne's home there's no
1:08:53empathy whatsoever for the kids or even
1:08:56seeing them as human beings
1:08:59Raider has a wife and a child at home
1:09:02and yet he doesn't seem to have the same
1:09:05feelings about what these kids are going
1:09:08through as they're watching through this
1:09:10crack in the door as he's killing their
1:09:13mother
1:09:14we're having the children there in
1:09:17Shirley bayan's house did that bother
1:09:20you at all
1:09:21no no
1:09:26bomber yeah
1:09:29you've got any aircraft shooting you
1:09:30down but your main focus is to drop the
1:09:32bombs on what they wanted to drop the
1:09:34Box on nothing else matters
1:09:40weren't you worried about what might
1:09:41happen with them
1:09:47Raider was barely even aware of them
1:09:51which is exactly how the brain of a
1:09:54psychopath Works their very goal
1:09:56oriented and they're just going to keep
1:09:58going until they achieve it
1:10:03after the Vian murder BTK was back on
1:10:06the radar of a number of people at WPD
1:10:09some officers speculated that Shirley
1:10:11Bayan was a BTK victim because of the
1:10:14way she was tied
1:10:16she was actually tied to the bed not
1:10:18just tied up and placed on the bed and
1:10:21there was some semen found in the
1:10:22immediate area of her body
1:10:25most of the cases of a semen discovered
1:10:27either on or near the bodies but it was
1:10:29not a rape it wasn't discovered in the
1:10:31bodies
1:10:38nope it was just a little bit too far
1:10:40I think even serial killers probably
1:10:42have some kind of taboo
1:10:44yeah that was mine
1:10:46I would not rape a female
1:10:49there's an odd thing about Dennis Rader
1:10:52in that he never seems to recognize that
1:10:55murder is the worst thing you can do so
1:10:59when he talks about raping too far
1:11:02is absurd
1:11:04because in his fantasies he did rate
1:11:06them
1:11:09Shirley was found with a bag over her
1:11:11head
1:11:12and the fact that the bag was tied shut
1:11:14with a nightgown just seemed to ring of
1:11:18BTK
1:11:20there were formal knots used not just
1:11:22someone just making Loops in a rope
1:11:24until it was Secure
1:11:26when you start looking at the symmetry
1:11:28of the tying and bindings that's when
1:11:30the bizarre flavor of the
1:11:33sadomasochistic interaction with the
1:11:35victims was there the bindings were not
1:11:37just for security but they were for
1:11:39bondage gratification as well
1:11:42so I use coalitions on hands or on seat
1:11:46and also very hard not to get a nun
1:11:48basically you want that knot comes to
1:11:50its uh Peak there's no way you can get
1:11:52out of that so that was probably my
1:11:54favorite knot but the other one was uh
1:11:57tie a knot on the end of the line and
1:11:59make a slip knot
1:12:01Dennis Rader often experimented with
1:12:04different forms of binding and knots
1:12:07that allowed them to make certain
1:12:10movements or restrict them further
1:12:13it's a part of the paraphilia that was
1:12:15the feeling of power and control
1:12:18and that was also a part of the fantasy
1:12:22Dennis Raider would take artifacts like
1:12:25a lot of serial killers do from the
1:12:26crime scenes and he would take items
1:12:29from his victims to dress in
1:12:31and to use as articles in his autoerotic
1:12:35activities
1:12:36we had a pretty good feeling and if we
1:12:38find this guy there'll be no doubt
1:12:40because we'll find all his collection of
1:12:42things that he's stolen from these poor
1:12:45victims
1:12:49do you ever think when you're in that
1:12:51cell about the possibility that you
1:12:53could one day face a firing squad
1:12:56they don't have firings guys in Colorado
1:12:58and I don't think that in any Raider
1:13:00idolized other serial killers and craved
1:13:02the recognition and attention they
1:13:04received he wanted to be acknowledged as
1:13:08being like them
1:13:10but Raider worried that Shirley bayern's
1:13:13kids had seen him
1:13:15he wanted recognition for this crime but
1:13:18he wanted to see what would happen so he
1:13:20didn't immediately communicate with
1:13:22police or the media
1:13:24how long had you been studying other
1:13:26serial killers
1:13:35other models Harvey glattman yeah
1:13:43platman was a serial killer from the 50s
1:13:46known as the Lonely Heart killer he
1:13:50opposed us a professional photographer
1:13:51in California Los Angeles
1:13:54and he would lure his victims by
1:13:57promising them that he could open the
1:13:59doors for a modeling career or
1:14:00profession he would get more Sinister
1:14:03and the types of pictures he would take
1:14:06so pictures of them in certain types of
1:14:09bondage and eventually he'd take control
1:14:10of them and in the pictures you can see
1:14:14the females reaction to the fear
1:14:19Raider wanted to replicate that
1:14:21expression in his victims where they
1:14:24would look at him recognize his complete
1:14:27power and control over them because it
1:14:31would make him feel dominant and
1:14:34Powerful
1:14:36serial killers tend to keep killing but
1:14:39after the murder of Shirley Bayan Raider
1:14:42would go quiet again
1:14:44but only until he spotted the perfect
1:14:47victim
1:14:53it's December of 1977. raider has
1:14:58murdered six people
1:15:00he's gotten away with it he's feeling
1:15:02cocky
1:15:05he's made mistakes he's had close calls
1:15:08he wants the next one to be just right
1:15:14when he came to this street he saw a
1:15:18young woman outside who fit exactly what
1:15:21he was looking for she was petite young
1:15:24blonde Nancy Fox
1:15:27he stopped her he went to where she
1:15:30worked he wanted to get her routine so
1:15:32he knew when she'd be home and when she
1:15:34wouldn't
1:15:35she'd taken a second job during the
1:15:38Christmas season and that was at the
1:15:40mall we'd go in and act like he was
1:15:42going to buy something looking for gifts
1:15:43just to interact with her
1:15:45on December 8 1977 nine months after the
1:15:51murder of Shirley Bayan Dennis Rader
1:15:54came to Nancy Fox's house for the final
1:15:57time
1:15:59he had already broken in and was sitting
1:16:01inside when she walked through the door
1:16:04when she realized he was sitting there
1:16:06and she says what do you want
1:16:08and he told her that he was a he always
1:16:11used the word strange dude I'm a strange
1:16:14dude going to do some stuff with you if
1:16:16you cooperate you'll be okay
1:16:19she was upset but he let her have a
1:16:22cigarette they sat and talked for a
1:16:24while at one point she then said let's
1:16:27get this over with so I can call the
1:16:29police
1:16:32he learned that he needed to take
1:16:33control quickly so he took her to the
1:16:35bedroom
1:16:37at this point he begins to mentally
1:16:41torture her
1:16:42so that he can capture that Terror on
1:16:45her face
1:16:46in exactly the way his adolescent
1:16:49fantasy had formed
1:16:52you enjoyed the look of fear on your
1:16:55victim's face well yes
1:17:03yes and although her faith
1:17:06it's just the idea that I had done it is
1:17:08all I needed it's like my mom when her
1:17:11finger was caught in that the couch she
1:17:13was struggling
1:17:15as he was sitting the straddle over he
1:17:17leaned over and whispered him earlier on
1:17:19BTK I'm a bad dude that was the second
1:17:22scene where DNA was found or the seminal
1:17:26stains that were eventually used for DNA
1:17:28was on one of her nightgowns that was on
1:17:30the head of her bed
1:17:32but after the incident then I've had
1:17:34time to quickly go through some of her
1:17:36stuff and I took some of her nicer
1:17:39clothes or clips and stockings and
1:17:41things of that nature and my tokens
1:17:44when he was telling us the story about
1:17:46killing Nancy Fox he recalled with
1:17:49specificity that the details of the
1:17:52murder
1:17:53her pleas and her words and her fear
1:17:57this man committed these things to
1:17:59memory and he lived these things day
1:18:02after day in his fantasy world although
1:18:04he looked normal on the outside it just
1:18:06gives you a glimpse of the monster that
1:18:08was living inside him
1:18:11here I go home and my wife's there you
1:18:14know so I had to make up a story why it
1:18:17was running a little late we were having
1:18:19car trouble at that time so that's not
1:18:22just blamed it on the car
1:18:24but Nancy Fox having been in the house
1:18:28and seeing how very small it was it was
1:18:31very clear that he had picked a place
1:18:34where he could easily keep total control
1:18:36over the situation
1:18:38because his ultimate goal was to get her
1:18:43to the point where she felt helpless and
1:18:46there was no place for her to go and
1:18:49that way he could enjoy his Ultimate
1:18:52Fantasy
1:18:54Raider said Nancy Fox was his favorite
1:18:56case because everything went the way he
1:18:58had orchestrated it
1:19:00now he wanted some acknowledgment that
1:19:04BTK had killed again so he called it in
1:19:08and listened for the news because this
1:19:12is his special murder he wants something
1:19:16associated with it that he can cut out
1:19:18of the newspaper and keep as a token
1:19:24on a cold morning in December of 1977
1:19:27the police dispatcher received an
1:19:30anonymous call
1:19:33assistant
1:19:35you will find a homicide at least 43
1:19:39South Pershing to Nancy Park I'm sorry
1:19:44sir I can't understand you so what is
1:19:45your address
1:19:59have homicide occurred here at 843 South
1:20:02Pershing we received a call about 8 20
1:20:05from an individual
1:20:07and I said there's a homicide and hung
1:20:09up the phone
1:20:11officers came out and we have checked
1:20:13and we do have a young lady that's
1:20:15is a victim of a homicide was she shot
1:20:18or stand now she appears to been
1:20:19strangled this time
1:20:21the officers that I knew thought it was
1:20:23pretty arrogant of the killer to call
1:20:26when I made the phone call about fox fox
1:20:29thing had already happened and there was
1:20:31nothing nothing about it and that's
1:20:34probably kind of like a cat and mouse
1:20:36thing I went ahead and used the phone
1:20:37stupid I was so afraid that someone
1:20:40would id'd that say well I know that
1:20:42voice well that's Dennis Rader
1:20:45he made the call that had put him at
1:20:47risk in ways he hadn't anticipated
1:20:50there were definitely times when he
1:20:52expected to be caught
1:20:54yet when he went uncaught it just
1:20:58confirms for him there must be something
1:21:00special about him and it must be because
1:21:03he's smarter than the police
1:21:06he said that was the stupidest thing he
1:21:08ever did was make that phone call
1:21:10because now there was a vocal footprint
1:21:13of him that could give him way
1:21:16it's been over three years since he left
1:21:18the letter at the library about the
1:21:21Otero murders
1:21:23and now he's craving publicity
1:21:26and he'd murdered twice more
1:21:28but police still haven't revealed
1:21:30there's a serial killer in Wichita
1:21:33this keeps them in control of the
1:21:35narrative and drives BTK to the media
1:21:41I was on duty at cake as the chief
1:21:43photographer
1:21:45the receptionist out front called back
1:21:48and I took the call and she said you
1:21:50know I have an odd letter here
1:21:52so took a look at it and it was a letter
1:21:57talking about Nancy Fox detailing
1:22:00several different things but the
1:22:01chilling moment in that letter was the
1:22:04line
1:22:05how many people do I have to kill before
1:22:08I get my name in the paper
1:22:11b t k
1:22:14executive producer Ron lone received the
1:22:16letter he's with us today to give us the
1:22:18information Ron Jack the communication
1:22:21came in the form of a two-page
1:22:22typewritten letter addressed to k-a-k-e
1:22:25channel 10. it was signed with the
1:22:27initials BTK BTK claims to have
1:22:30strangled a total of seven women seven
1:22:33people rather mostly women he provided a
1:22:36list of his victims beginning with the
1:22:37number five
1:22:38during the newscast the police chief
1:22:40walks into the studio
1:22:42takes a seat and
1:22:45we cut the lemonion and lemunion picks
1:22:48up the story
1:22:49BTK is silk has killed seven people
1:22:51Chief what kind of leads do you have
1:22:55very honestly we have
1:22:57no solid leads at all we have uh General
1:23:00leads we have circumstantial evidence we
1:23:03have absolutely nothing that will point
1:23:05us to any one particular individual
1:23:08Chief lamanian made the decision
1:23:11that In fairness to the public he needed
1:23:14to warn them that there was a serial
1:23:16killer afoot in Wichita after all
1:23:18this guy is in our community and he's
1:23:22killing our people
1:23:24when they finally announced that there
1:23:26was a serial killer on the loose in
1:23:28Wichita what what was that like for you
1:23:30it was a pretty
1:23:35in the wall they finally recognized me
1:23:37you know as a felt kind of coffee at
1:23:40that time I guess you would say
1:23:42Dennis Raider loved the idea that he was
1:23:45a serial killer it was the hottest
1:23:49aspect of his
1:23:51identity
1:23:52and his need for attention would
1:23:55ultimately be his downfall the most
1:23:57important thing that everyone can do is
1:24:00certainly be aware that we do have a
1:24:02very serious problem that was like an
1:24:05atomic bomb going off in the city
1:24:08the whole city was turned upside down
1:24:10there were 200 000 people here changed
1:24:13the lives of 200 000 people you're
1:24:15dealing with a person who is a perverted
1:24:17a person that is sick people were just
1:24:20terrified
1:24:22question for Wichita back then is how
1:24:25many more people are going to die
1:24:34after BTK was apprehended
1:24:39detectives
1:24:40searched his office and his home and
1:24:44came up with a stash of Polaroids that
1:24:47looked as if there were male victims
1:24:52and they asked him who his male victims
1:24:55were
1:24:56and he didn't understand what they meant
1:24:58and they mentioned these Polaroids and
1:25:01then he said oh that's me
1:25:09and so I wrote that up and well behold I
1:25:12could take pictures of myself
1:25:14you know what I had was the squeegee
1:25:16ball because basically you were in the
1:25:18corridor to your hand and then somewhere
1:25:20I hit the ball when I was in my pictures
1:25:22and I just squeezed that ball and the
1:25:24forwarded clicked
1:25:29he would dress in slips and female
1:25:32underwear that he had stolen he would
1:25:34wear a mask that had makeup on it a wig
1:25:39cross-dressing and finding myself up as
1:25:42a sexual fantasy like like I was the
1:25:44victim
1:25:46Raider told himself that acting out
1:25:50these fantasies
1:25:52helped him diminish the desire to kill
1:25:55somebody
1:25:57but on the other hand he's also
1:25:59completely immersed in what it's like to
1:26:02be a victim
1:26:03feeling the ropes around him wanting to
1:26:07do this to somebody
1:26:09and the more he did that the kind of
1:26:12insured that he would act out again
1:26:20[Music]
1:26:29sexually compelled serial killers tend
1:26:33to get addicted to what they're doing
1:26:36they tend not to have control over the
1:26:40addiction
1:26:42but Raider did take breaks
1:26:45he went three years he went five years
1:26:50so he stands apart from many of them
1:26:54in that it's more an identity thing
1:26:58he wants to be a serial killer than that
1:27:02he can't help himself
1:27:04because he could help himself
1:27:06and did
1:27:09through the work I've been doing with
1:27:11Dennis Rader I'm hoping to dissolve some
1:27:14stereotypes
1:27:15to include outliers like him and show
1:27:19that we need to accommodate more data
1:27:22than we have in the past about serial
1:27:25killers
1:27:30certainly be
1:27:33a problem when the announcement came out
1:27:36from the police that there was a serial
1:27:38killer in Wichita Raider found that
1:27:42exciting finally he had gotten some
1:27:45attention even though they didn't know
1:27:47who it was he enjoyed the idea that he
1:27:50was terrorizing the Wichita Area
1:27:55the hunt began Friday when cake received
1:27:57this letter from the man police say is
1:27:59the killer of seven people over the past
1:28:01four years he calls himself the BTK
1:28:03strangle of promises to kill me
1:28:06they would say something about it on TV
1:28:08the oppk sent us a letter
1:28:11that was an extremely big high I can
1:28:14tell you that
1:28:15why do you think you wanted this
1:28:17recognition
1:28:19along my childhood I've always felt like
1:28:21I was an underdog
1:28:23and that uh somewhere along the lines of
1:28:26getting a high in recognition I think
1:28:28it's like the movie stars and the sage
1:28:30people they see the picture in a
1:28:32newspaper or a story about them I think
1:28:34they get a rush on that
1:28:36Raider never grows up in terms of the
1:28:39attention he needs it all goes back to
1:28:41that arrested development of course keep
1:28:45in mind you're not dealing with a quote
1:28:46normal criminal assuming that the person
1:28:48is still alive that person is going to
1:28:50kill again
1:28:51when Chief lamanian announced that we
1:28:54did in fact have a serial killer
1:28:56people were frightened it had changed
1:29:00the entire complexion of how people went
1:29:02about their daily routines in Wichita
1:29:05police were just baffled they didn't
1:29:08have an answer usually if somebody got
1:29:10murdered in Wichita we had an answer
1:29:12pretty quick
1:29:14saying Wichita and the term serial
1:29:16killer in the same sentence I never
1:29:18thought I'd do that
1:29:20and particularly terrifying for the
1:29:22young women
1:29:24because are they going to be next and
1:29:26that's what everybody thought
1:29:28vtk messed with your mind
1:29:31he was controlling the police department
1:29:33he was controlling the news media and he
1:29:35was controlling the public
1:29:37[Music]
1:29:39while Wichita is reeling in Fright
1:29:42Raider is going about his business
1:29:44pursuing his degree in the
1:29:47administration of justice
1:29:49while you were in school you were also
1:29:53committing your own crimes where you're
1:29:56listening for things that would help you
1:30:00yes I was very careful with the
1:30:02forensics I basically my fingerprints
1:30:07and I wore rubber closed ones that you
1:30:10use when you're washing dishes
1:30:13he learned a lot about how police
1:30:15investigated crimes which helped him to
1:30:18know what to do what to avoid
1:30:21that subject matter
1:30:23just helped him to become a better
1:30:25predator
1:30:27what did you want to do with your degree
1:30:39serial killers who are attracted to law
1:30:41enforcement know that a police officer
1:30:45is in position to know a lot about
1:30:47potential victims and they can approach
1:30:50people with a sense of authority by
1:30:53flashing a badge and getting people to
1:30:55go walk away with them
1:30:57we not only read of course what he wrote
1:31:00every piece of paper was examined
1:31:03everything was looked at for evidence
1:31:05not one piece ever had a fingerprint had
1:31:08a hair had a fiber that could be
1:31:10identified and to me that's why he feels
1:31:13confident in sending these letters
1:31:16you would get these mailings and they
1:31:18would be in all kinds of bizarre shapes
1:31:20I thought there might be something
1:31:21symbolic about what he was sending it
1:31:23was just the fact that he thought he
1:31:24might have touched it and he didn't want
1:31:25anyone to see his fingerprints
1:31:28Raider has an attitude that he is
1:31:31smarter than other people because he's
1:31:33more Vigilant he's more attuned he
1:31:36watches people as a predator in ways
1:31:39that most people are not doing so as
1:31:42he's also developing knowledge about law
1:31:44enforcement and investigation procedures
1:31:47and forensic practices that's just
1:31:50increasing his sense of now I know what
1:31:52to do and no one will be able to touch
1:31:56me
1:31:57studying that is very important to our
1:32:01understanding of serial killers because
1:32:04if they really believe they are
1:32:07Untouchable that's where they'll make
1:32:09their mistake
1:32:11as my partner and I tried to puzzle out
1:32:13what we could do to advance the case
1:32:15really the only thing that we knew of
1:32:18that he had created and touched hell was
1:32:22the communications now the letters were
1:32:25typewritten and then copied multiple
1:32:27times
1:32:28in 1978 there was not a copy machine on
1:32:31everyone's desk
1:32:33so we sent a detective to hand carry the
1:32:36evidence in Rochester and had Xerox work
1:32:40with the material for about a week
1:32:43they were able to trace one of those
1:32:45copies by looking at the fracture and
1:32:48scratch marks that were present on the
1:32:50plate that you lay the copying material
1:32:52on
1:32:54and they were able to
1:32:56trace the two copy machines back to
1:32:58public
1:32:59use copy machines the kind where you
1:33:01just put a nickel in the slot and make a
1:33:03copy one was in the basement of a
1:33:04building at Wichita State University and
1:33:07the other one was on the second floor of
1:33:08the public library actually where the
1:33:10first Otero letter was found
1:33:13the one thing that we did not have
1:33:14before was that somehow this perpetrator
1:33:18had a connection to Wichita State
1:33:21one of the people that went to our
1:33:23church worked with drocks so he
1:33:25eventually figured out one of my
1:33:27original letters came from the coffee
1:33:30from WSU he was that sharp enough that
1:33:33whoa
1:33:34after I found that out whatever our
1:33:36coffee got and send that in I went to
1:33:37different copies before I started it
1:33:39after you knew that they had traced your
1:33:43xeroxing to Wichita State to scare you
1:33:47that they were closing in on you
1:33:51prepared for the police to come knocking
1:33:53on the door
1:33:58there was times when I thought they were
1:34:00closing in and I would move things
1:34:03around and kind of clean up a little bit
1:34:07here there
1:34:09would keep these journals to describe
1:34:12what he was doing he had his own
1:34:14drawings plus he had various items for
1:34:17his hit kids
1:34:19as these things piled up
1:34:21he needed places to secure them against
1:34:24anyone finding them and figuring things
1:34:27out
1:34:28so basically the the items from both his
1:34:31murders and his fantasies went into
1:34:33these hidey holes I had some cabinets at
1:34:37home that I could hike up here
1:34:39there is a shed
1:34:42I've had no barns
1:34:47underneath the house across the space
1:34:51during my work with Dennis Rader one of
1:34:55the things he made for me was a map of
1:34:59these hidey holes
1:35:01the map itself indicates the various
1:35:04places around Wichita he would have gone
1:35:07to hide some things like he would find
1:35:10an abandoned piece of equipment that had
1:35:13sat there for months so it looked like
1:35:14nobody was going back to it so he might
1:35:17use that as a temporary stash he buried
1:35:20a few things
1:35:22it was important for him to have this
1:35:24rigidity this regularity of the map
1:35:28which is exactly the way he lived his
1:35:31life
1:35:32and after 1979 BTK seemed to have
1:35:36vanished
1:35:38BTK all of a sudden just kind of
1:35:40disappeared from public eye there were
1:35:43no murders that we knew of everything
1:35:46kind of died down and started to get
1:35:48back to normal in Wichita Kansas
1:35:51you got Wichita all in a frenzy over a
1:35:54serial killer and then you went quiet
1:35:56what were you doing
1:36:02at that time
1:36:05graduated in 79. 9 so there was another
1:36:08fact
1:36:12Factory thing if you
1:36:14when you ask an expert why a seal killer
1:36:17stops they know when they're going to
1:36:19tell you they die or they are in prison
1:36:21and can't have access to other victims
1:36:24but he said he was always hunting it
1:36:27just had to be perfect for him to decide
1:36:30to go forward with a hit
1:36:34he liked his family life and he liked
1:36:36the idea that he was BTK and nobody knew
1:36:44that's collecting detecting magazines
1:36:46and sketches and Slick cars like that
1:36:50continued
1:36:52Dennis he would get three by five index
1:36:55cards
1:36:56and he would cut out pictures of models
1:36:59out of advertisements and he would affix
1:37:02it to the card and then on the back he
1:37:04would give her a name and
1:37:06characteristics likes and dislikes and
1:37:10then he would put a card in the seat
1:37:14beside him as he would ride around and
1:37:17he would you know I'm spending the day
1:37:19with Sally or or whoever it was like he
1:37:23had a relationship he would talk dirty
1:37:26to this three by five card the Slick ad
1:37:28then before the family we get home he
1:37:30would go get in the shower with his card
1:37:33and masturbate that was his preferred
1:37:35means of sexual gratification he said
1:37:38that's why you don't have more victims
1:37:40dead because I enjoyed playing with
1:37:42myself as much as I enjoyed play with
1:37:43others
1:37:44[Music]
1:37:45Dennis Raider we had the opportunity to
1:37:47travel the entire state of Kansas and
1:37:50because he was traveling and living in
1:37:52motels he said that gave him the
1:37:53opportunity to practice his bondage
1:37:59that's when the motel party started
1:38:02one of the things that Raider did to
1:38:04kind of compensate for the fact that he
1:38:06didn't have time for victims was come up
1:38:10with what he called Motel parties
1:38:12and the motel parties were auto-erotic
1:38:16kinds of activities he had dolls that he
1:38:21used to help facilitate his imagination
1:38:23and he would experiment
1:38:26I work with a sexy frizzy
1:38:29by doing bondage
1:38:32a lot of times I have pictures of the
1:38:34girls and go through they have the lamb
1:38:36out
1:38:37rearrange them look at them
1:38:39or bring things out from the hiding
1:38:42holes of my collection that I got from
1:38:44victims
1:38:46Raider often would take items from his
1:38:49victims homes that he could then use to
1:38:53replicate what he had done to them but
1:38:56in an autoerotic sort of scenario so he
1:39:00might dress in a slip or pantyhose or
1:39:03underwear that he had taken and imagine
1:39:07what it must have been like
1:39:10for one of his victims to know that they
1:39:14were about to die
1:39:19[Music]
1:39:21when I was backing up and ready to go
1:39:23out of town I would take enough of those
1:39:27things with me when Paul was at work and
1:39:30I had time off I would wash all the
1:39:32stuff clean it all up and try it out and
1:39:34I was trying to be real careful I didn't
1:39:36leave anything in there and then I'd
1:39:38hide that back in my regular closet
1:39:40Raider grew careless and there were
1:39:43times when he would use the privacy of
1:39:46the home to do some of his autoerotic
1:39:50activities dress himself and a woman's
1:39:52slip maybe his wife's put a noose around
1:39:55his neck
1:39:57and at one point his wife came home
1:40:00unexpectedly
1:40:01my wife
1:40:04[Music]
1:40:06got really upset and I was upset that I
1:40:08got caught she just told me this is it
1:40:10you ever do the skin and ever catch you
1:40:12we're going to leave that don't take the
1:40:14kids we're gonna divorce you
1:40:16I will make sure that would never happen
1:40:19again
1:40:20I think the fact that Raider had put his
1:40:23marriage and his family and his whole
1:40:26life on the line when he was indulging
1:40:29in his autoerotic activities speaks to
1:40:32the addiction of it
1:40:34but also his belief that he was really
1:40:37smarter than people he was special and
1:40:41he just wasn't going to get caught
1:40:44there was a time where you thought about
1:40:46suicide
1:40:48you know I put a 357 in my mouth
1:40:52I I just felt to a point where maybe
1:40:56with the man upstairs or something with
1:40:58the family
1:41:00God but the time has come
1:41:04basically stalking somebody else
1:41:07so I got another person I'm set up for
1:41:10I need to end this
1:41:13because I want to take somebody's life
1:41:15again
1:41:21you put a load of 357 in your mouth
1:41:29to take my life and what did it feel
1:41:31like when you didn't pull the trigger
1:41:33and you put the gun down then what then
1:41:35what went to your mind ah well I guess I
1:41:39checked out
1:41:41I just couldn't do it
1:41:43well it sounds like you gave it a lot of
1:41:45thought was that about having regrets
1:41:47and or remorse
1:41:50building could agree one time I was more
1:41:53religious knowing him now but I thought
1:41:55well gosh if indeed heaven doesn't exist
1:41:58what will my green cards think of me
1:42:00what I'm doing all this
1:42:01but my concept on religion right now is
1:42:05a lot different than you should be okay
1:42:07I wouldn't call it remorse so much as
1:42:10just how did my life get this way maybe
1:42:14I should end it before I do anything to
1:42:16anyone else
1:42:18but I think those moments were pretty
1:42:21temporary
1:42:24the first thing you have to realize
1:42:25about Psychopaths is that they're wired
1:42:27different they don't feel emotions the
1:42:30same way regular people do the best way
1:42:32to describe a psychopath dealing with
1:42:35emotions like guilt or shame or remorse
1:42:37which don't exist for them is if
1:42:40emotions are color they're colorblind
1:42:42regular people in the in the normal
1:42:44population we can look at a traffic
1:42:47light to see red for stop yellow for
1:42:49caution green for go
1:42:52a psychopath they learn okay the light
1:42:54at the top
1:42:55means stop the light in the middle means
1:42:57caution the light at the bottom means
1:42:59green but they don't see the colors
1:43:01they're just following the norms and
1:43:03customs and and you know laws in society
1:43:07which if you're a psychopath don't apply
1:43:09to them
1:43:11Dennis had a number of jobs which he was
1:43:15able to travel he worked in the security
1:43:17company after he lost that job he worked
1:43:21for the Census Bureau
1:43:23that let him go to other states where he
1:43:28had the opportunity and took the
1:43:30opportunity to at least watch for
1:43:32victims sometimes stalk them and even
1:43:35plan for doing something to them
1:43:37in one town he actually dug a grave for
1:43:41someone that he believed he was going to
1:43:43murder
1:43:44is there a possibility that there could
1:43:46be more murders
1:43:48the one thing that bothered me in in
1:43:50reviewing the yotero files
1:43:53was it was difficult for me as a
1:43:55homicide investigator to grasp the idea
1:43:57that a person's first killing would be
1:44:00four members of a fan how do you control
1:44:02and and commit four murders and very
1:44:06calculated murders I mean bringing
1:44:08weapons with you bringing the
1:44:10instruments of binding everything
1:44:12it just didn't seem plausible to me
1:44:16because he did take out of state trips
1:44:19during a time period when he talked
1:44:21about the urge or factor x being very
1:44:25strong I think it's possible there might
1:44:28be other victims
1:44:30so if there are I want to be the person
1:44:33he tells that to
1:44:35remember the dream you sent to me
1:44:38I want to read that back to you and see
1:44:41if you have anything to say about it do
1:44:43you mind
1:44:45okay so the dream was about a boxcar
1:44:50and here's what you wrote
1:44:53one end had an old-fashioned Barber Shop
1:44:56like my grandpa cook had
1:44:59in my dream I'm working on a letter to
1:45:02you
1:45:03so it is spread out on the table
1:45:06I get my call number for a haircut and
1:45:09realize there is too much stuff left out
1:45:12for eyes to see
1:45:13so I walk back to put it into my black
1:45:16briefcase
1:45:18then the alarm clock goes off in my
1:45:20dream and I'm trying to shut it off and
1:45:22at the same time two police officers
1:45:25come in one Taps me on the shoulder and
1:45:28says we know you did more than ten
1:45:32then I awake to find out the real alarm
1:45:35clock is buzzing away
1:45:41I've always really wondered about that
1:45:45dream and what it meant and it sounded
1:45:47like you meant some very dark things
1:45:51it does
1:45:53the dream suggests he's about to tell me
1:45:58something
1:45:59that the police already suspects because
1:46:02there are two officers who come in
1:46:05and it has to do with his darkest
1:46:08secrets that he might have been about to
1:46:10tell me and then decided not to
1:46:12Saved by the Bell because the actual
1:46:15alarm was actually ringing and woke him
1:46:18up this is a dream you had and you wrote
1:46:21it to me what do you think it means
1:46:24yeah
1:46:26could he be holding something back yeah
1:46:29serial killers often do because one of
1:46:32the things they're motivated by is power
1:46:34and control and if he has a little
1:46:36secret little dirty secret that could be
1:46:38just a piece of power and control that
1:46:40he maintains and he's got to have
1:46:42something you're clearly protecting
1:46:44secrets in this dream and it is related
1:46:48to your BTK activities I'm really
1:46:51curious about what else there is that
1:46:54you want would want to tell me
1:46:57um well
1:46:59[Music]
1:47:07this dream is related to your BTK
1:47:10activities and it is something that
1:47:13you're writing to me but you don't want
1:47:15other people to find it
1:47:18and I kind of recall a little bit about
1:47:20the
1:47:25basically uh
1:47:27as I told the police
1:47:29can
1:47:31candidate
1:47:32[Music]
1:47:34okay well let's let's continue this
1:47:37thinking about this conversation and if
1:47:40you do have things uh that you could
1:47:42write down that would be great
1:47:48his explanation for it is pretty
1:47:50superficial
1:47:52and deflective
1:47:55and I think maybe he regrets sending it
1:47:57to me
1:47:58[Music]
1:48:02whenever Raider would decide somebody
1:48:05was going to be a victim they
1:48:08immediately were dehumanized entirely
1:48:10they became
1:48:12Pawns in his game they were projects
1:48:16he doesn't think of victims as human
1:48:19beings he doesn't think about the
1:48:20repercussions on their family members
1:48:23even today it's still so difficult to
1:48:28get him to admit that they were human
1:48:30beings and he caused a great deal of
1:48:33catastrophic trauma in the lives of all
1:48:36the people who knew and loved them
1:48:39and that was certainly the case with
1:48:41Maureen Hedge
1:48:43we're in a neighborhood of Park City
1:48:48where Dennis Rader lived
1:48:51on Independence Street
1:48:54and just down the street was a neighbor
1:48:59named Marine head she was a 53 year old
1:49:01woman
1:49:03who lived alone had no dog
1:49:06seemed to have a male friend who came in
1:49:08and out but didn't live there
1:49:11if I walk by one of the blocks or
1:49:13something like that
1:49:15but I just wave at her say hi
1:49:18she's usually out in the front yard
1:49:19changing her flowers
1:49:25and then one day when he was looking at
1:49:28his window and he saw her out there
1:49:30he imagined his hands around her throat
1:49:35at that point Marine hedge became a
1:49:38project
1:49:40they had been dormant for seven years
1:49:43he hadn't done anything and suddenly
1:49:46decides not only does he need to kill
1:49:49her but he's going to kill a neighbor
1:49:57Raider was a cub scout leader and he
1:50:01used that to stalk victims and to kill
1:50:04victims when the opportunity would arise
1:50:07he planned a night out with his Cub
1:50:09Scouts once he got them vetted down he
1:50:12would drive to Park City
1:50:15he gets to Marie and hedge's house cuts
1:50:18the phone wire
1:50:20her car's in the driveway
1:50:22but the house is dark
1:50:25he broke in
1:50:27and realizes she's not home apparently
1:50:30she's out on a date
1:50:31but then he hears a car door
1:50:35he went into her closet in her bedroom
1:50:38and heard the two of them come in
1:50:43that was a long wait I had to wait a
1:50:45long time in the closet
1:50:56that's when Raider made his move
1:50:59but what was interesting in this is he
1:51:03was going to change his his signature
1:51:05behaviors aside from cutting the phone
1:51:07line he was going to take her body out
1:51:12his plan then was to take her to the
1:51:15church he had keys to the church as a
1:51:17member of the governing body of that
1:51:20church
1:51:21took her to the basement staged her in
1:51:23various positions took photographs with
1:51:25his Polaroid and then disposed of the
1:51:28body
1:51:33between his crimes
1:51:35he's getting more emboldened and then
1:51:37being more emboldened and more
1:51:40narcissistic he simultaneously getting
1:51:43more Reckless sloppy and disorganized
1:51:49my name is David zickel I was a police
1:51:51officer for the city of Park City
1:51:54April 28 1985 I was working the day
1:51:59shift early in the morning I got a call
1:52:01to check the welfare of a marine hedge
1:52:04she had reported for work and that was
1:52:06very unusual for her
1:52:09when Maureen wasn't found in her house
1:52:12we made a missing person report on her
1:52:15and her car was found a few days later
1:52:17at a bowling alley in Northeast Wichita
1:52:20and everybody kind of figured that
1:52:23something fowl had probably occurred
1:52:26the body was discovered here at 53rd
1:52:28Street North just east of Webb Road a
1:52:31bit West of the area that police had
1:52:33been searching all weekend for some clue
1:52:35to The Disappearance of 53-year-old
1:52:37marine Hedge
1:52:39there wasn't any suspects right away so
1:52:41when her phone line was cut we thought
1:52:44that was very suspicious but we didn't
1:52:47know for sure it was BTK or a copycat
1:52:50but we did have that in the back of our
1:52:51head that you know BTK had never been
1:52:54captured and this could be something but
1:52:57she wasn't left in the house she was
1:53:00removed from it
1:53:02you think you could participate in
1:53:05church activities
1:53:06while at the same time harming other
1:53:09people
1:53:12didn't it seem to violate what you
1:53:14believed
1:53:16I don't people say wow what you did with
1:53:19Mrs fish in the church you know the
1:53:22house of God doing something like that
1:53:23terrible
1:53:26but I haven't had any well I guess you
1:53:28would call real bondage type pictures of
1:53:31a female
1:53:32you can argue all kinds of things about
1:53:34what's going on in his head but
1:53:37practicality on the president of the
1:53:39church I've got keys to get in I know
1:53:42when people are there this is a pretty
1:53:44safe place where I'm not going to be
1:53:45seen or interrupted doing all of
1:53:48everything what I've got to do but when
1:53:50you first decided to use a room in the
1:53:54church to bring a body to dress to take
1:54:00pictures of did it seem weird like why
1:54:05would you even think of using the church
1:54:06no it was a way to what I wanted done
1:54:18after Marine Hedges murder BTK did not
1:54:22surface and claim responsibility for
1:54:24that
1:54:25the reason he did not communicate
1:54:28anything to police or any media was she
1:54:33was in his neighborhood
1:54:35so the last thing he wanted to do was
1:54:37have police focused on his very Street
1:54:42but time passed and again no one
1:54:45suspected the killer was living among
1:54:47them
1:54:48so Raider began planning his next murder
1:54:52operator would drive through the
1:54:54scouting or trolling for potential
1:54:57victims and that's how he picked Vicki
1:55:00wegely
1:55:01one day as he was driving by he saw her
1:55:05come out of the house and she drew his
1:55:07interest
1:55:16opportunities that I had to really look
1:55:19for my next victim was around lunchtime
1:55:21and I would drive over there and eat and
1:55:24then I'd watch a washer plates from my
1:55:26car
1:55:28I used my rest of the telephone man I
1:55:31had the part hat on and the little
1:55:32symbol I stuck on it and some gear that
1:55:35looked like telephone gear you know in
1:55:37my hands
1:55:39he then went to Vicki wegely's house
1:55:42talked his way in that he needed to go
1:55:44look at her phone
1:55:46she was very very nervous and was
1:55:49watching him like a hawk
1:55:52her baby was playing the floor in the
1:55:55front room
1:55:56she said her husband was going to be
1:55:58home at noon
1:56:00and at one point he he was fiddling with
1:56:03the phone like he was working on it
1:56:06and when she turned her head to check on
1:56:08the baby he pounced on her
1:56:13husband was coming home
1:56:16mentioned it but I thought well she may
1:56:19be doing she may be lying on that that
1:56:21was a big risk you're really in the
1:56:22middle of the day around noon time so
1:56:25that was a big risk but my focus was on
1:56:28her
1:56:31when her husband came home and found the
1:56:33baby and not her he was initially upset
1:56:36you know that what what's Vicki doing
1:56:38you you know thought she'd gone to the
1:56:39store and left the baby there but then
1:56:41when he he walked back in the bedroom
1:56:42and saw that there was some comforters
1:56:45that were kind of disarrayed he said I
1:56:47knew that Vicky wouldn't leave the house
1:56:48like that so he searched a little
1:56:50further in and that's when he found his
1:56:52wife tucked under the bed kind of
1:56:54secreted under the bed by the time
1:56:56police got to Vicki wegerly's House on
1:56:58West 13th her heart had already stopped
1:57:00beating she died within 15 minutes at
1:57:02Riverside Hospital her husband Bill
1:57:04supposedly found Vicki with a noose
1:57:06around her neck foreign
1:57:09ERS targeted someone the callousness
1:57:13just sets in
1:57:16in anything that that particular victim
1:57:19is associated with goes along with it
1:57:23it's really striking to me that Raider
1:57:25as a family man has absolutely no
1:57:29concern about young children in a home
1:57:31where he has targeted a victim
1:57:35at that time the police accused her
1:57:37husband and just couldn't prove that it
1:57:40was him they really thought that was him
1:57:42after they interviewed him that went
1:57:44unsolved
1:57:46never in a million years did people
1:57:50tie it to BTK had any idea police were
1:57:54investigating it as a random act and it
1:57:59just basically never was solved
1:58:04think about
1:58:05what it would be like for you if
1:58:08somebody entered your home and did
1:58:11something like that to your wife
1:58:16doing everything possible protect my my
1:58:18wife or my kid but I mean what if you
1:58:20found her dead murdered what would that
1:58:23have been like for you
1:58:25oh that would have been very upsetting
1:58:27it's like Revenge has come back on me
1:58:31when I asked him what would happen if he
1:58:33came home and found someone had murdered
1:58:35his wife there's no sense of outrage or
1:58:39or horror that somebody could have done
1:58:42this to his family it's it's more
1:58:46resignation oh well Karma
1:58:50instead of empathizing with his loved
1:58:52ones suffering he is only able to see
1:58:55how their possible demise would affect
1:58:57him
1:58:59greater was in his mid-40s by this time
1:59:02he had accomplished nine murders without
1:59:05anyone suspecting him at all well I was
1:59:09building I guess work
1:59:19this is a bridge near Sedgwick which is
1:59:24north of Park City
1:59:25and underneath here is where the 10th
1:59:29victim of Dennis Rader was found in
1:59:321991.
1:59:35she had been here approximately 10 days
1:59:38before
1:59:40someone from one of the Farms came
1:59:42across the body
1:59:46mom's name was Dolores
1:59:48but people called her d
1:59:51she was such a loving giving person and
1:59:56that's how I want people to remember her
1:59:58she's that star that shines a little
2:00:01extra bright because of what she was in
2:00:04this earth and what she endured to leave
2:00:07this earth and I think that's really
2:00:09important
2:00:12Dolores Davis was the last victim of
2:00:14Dennis Rader she became a project as he
2:00:17called him he was out in that area saw
2:00:20her out in the yard thought it would be
2:00:22a pretty easy to to get to her as a
2:00:24victim
2:00:26there was a Boy Scout a winter campout
2:00:30for two nights so he had various ways he
2:00:33could say where he was going to be so
2:00:35alibi
2:00:37she had a date that evening a dinner
2:00:40date with her friend who she'd been
2:00:43seeing they went back to her place early
2:00:46evening he went home
2:00:49as far as I know
2:00:51she went to bed under normal
2:00:54circumstances at about 10 o'clock
2:00:57and somewhere before midnight he made
2:01:03his move
2:01:06he just took a cinder block
2:01:09and threw it through the patio glass
2:01:16at the back door and I thought myself
2:01:18what if he stepped out of that door with
2:01:20a shotgun
2:01:22he said I'm on the run from the cops I
2:01:26just need your car and some money I'm
2:01:29going to tie you up to give me a head
2:01:30start so you know I get away from here
2:01:32before you call any authorities and so
2:01:35he took her to the bedroom
2:01:37tied her up
2:01:38he leaned over and whispered and Ranier
2:01:40I'm BTK I'm a bad dude
2:01:43a lot of people think it's inflicting
2:01:45the pain they enjoy but that's just a
2:01:47tool the worry the fear the suffering
2:01:50that's what he really enjoyed
2:01:54I'm sure then she knew she was doomed
2:01:57and I shudder to think about it killed
2:02:02her with her own pantyhose
2:02:05in her own bedroom so just
2:02:08the terror
2:02:10is palpable
2:02:13he took her body to a location
2:02:17Country Road under a bridge and there he
2:02:20posed her in different positions took
2:02:23some pictures
2:02:26after Raider hid Dolores Davis's body he
2:02:30went back to the Scout camp and snuck
2:02:32back in
2:02:34a missing person's report had been filed
2:02:37for Dolores Davis by her boyfriend the
2:02:39morning after she disappeared
2:02:42when police saw her broken window and
2:02:45that a jewelry box was missing they put
2:02:47out an all-points bulletin searching for
2:02:50a perpetrator
2:02:53sneaks out of the boy scout camp again
2:02:55the next night to go back to the body
2:02:59is still bound with the pantyhose and
2:03:01whatnot but nobody has discovered it yet
2:03:05on the way back to camp this time Raider
2:03:08goes to a rest area to change his
2:03:10clothes back into his Boy Scout leader
2:03:13close
2:03:14and when he's in the stall a trooper
2:03:18comes in
2:03:19Trooper says a crime has happened we're
2:03:21looking for people who just look out of
2:03:22place Raider was worried because at this
2:03:25point he had the jewelry box in the car
2:03:27and he knew if they asked to look in the
2:03:30trunk of the car they would see those
2:03:32items that were clearly not his and were
2:03:36it would have then been related back to
2:03:38Dolores Davis
2:03:40I did it all over poor good Lord my wife
2:03:44my kids and my family's friends are
2:03:46gonna know all about it here I am caught
2:03:48like a rat and a trap so Raider talks
2:03:52about the boy scout camp nearby I'm just
2:03:55here on my way back to it Trooper says
2:03:59okay
2:03:59you're not the kind of person we're
2:04:01looking for
2:04:02and Raiders goes back to the Boy Scout
2:04:04camp and is not a suspect in this crime
2:04:08Raider made him feel like well an
2:04:11ordinary guy like this who volunteers
2:04:13for the Boy Scouts couldn't possibly be
2:04:15the person we're looking for
2:04:18if your job was to question everybody
2:04:21and look in their cars then you do that
2:04:24even with somebody who volunteers for
2:04:27the Boy Scouts
2:04:30if I were using this case to inform law
2:04:33enforcement I would show how an officer
2:04:36in the case actually made an error
2:04:40that let Raider go free
2:04:43because he adhered to the stereotypes
2:04:49the enormity of what I was afraid had
2:04:53happened had happened
2:04:55part of the frustration the pain
2:04:59was the fact that we knew so little we
2:05:03had no Witnesses the car was Queen of
2:05:06Prince there was nothing in the house
2:05:09they had nothing to go on really
2:05:13the police did consider that certainly
2:05:16hedge and Davis were
2:05:18part of BTK I think they even thought
2:05:21legally might be
2:05:22but there were a lot of differences why
2:05:25would there be so much time between
2:05:26number nine and number 10.
2:05:29it didn't make any sense at the time
2:05:34what we didn't know is BTK was going to
2:05:38the store with us he was eating popcorn
2:05:40at the movies with us
2:05:42he was going to church with us
2:05:44he was the guy next door
2:05:49I can't tell you
2:05:51when BTK reappeared
2:05:54how shocked everybody was
2:06:07when I was writing the book about Dennis
2:06:09Rader the serial killer known as BTK one
2:06:13of the things he wanted me to have to
2:06:15use to organize it was his project list
2:06:20comprised of various people he had
2:06:22identified as potential victims
2:06:26and that meant being very clear about
2:06:29when he attempted to kidnap somebody
2:06:32when he stalked somebody and made
2:06:34contact
2:06:36there were a number of young women
2:06:38during that time who he had picked out
2:06:41who were on his list who he was going to
2:06:45murder
2:06:55happen
2:06:57the list had the project name the years
2:07:01the dates the location
2:07:04all the details he could think of and
2:07:06fit onto this little chart
2:07:08so it gives a lot of sense of his
2:07:11personality
2:07:12he liked things organized clear he liked
2:07:16to follow rules because he wanted other
2:07:18people to follow rules but that way he
2:07:21could then break the rules but come back
2:07:24into a safe organized world
2:07:28project 16 on the project list was known
2:07:32as project blackout
2:07:35my name is Cheryl Gilmore Sarkozy and
2:07:39I'm a Survivor of BTK
2:07:41and his name for me was Project blackout
2:07:46[Music]
2:07:58after the Dolores Davis murder Raider
2:08:01slips back into a period of dormancy he
2:08:04continues to look for projects but he
2:08:06doesn't act out
2:08:08what were you doing in those years when
2:08:10nothing was really happening
2:08:19I worked at church
2:08:23okay but if I'm real music then I would
2:08:27go out on a prowling
2:08:28and look for my next victim
2:08:31they were basically projects
2:08:34did you feel like you were in control of
2:08:36your urges then
2:08:44excitement is able to do to hunt
2:08:48the planning for any sexually compelled
2:08:52serial killer is definitely part of the
2:08:55pleasure
2:08:56and Dennis Rader is quite the organizer
2:09:01in the project list marked project
2:09:03blackout
2:09:05blackout refers to a bar near the campus
2:09:08of Wichita State University where Raider
2:09:11would often go have a beer
2:09:14Raider writes girl at bar and indicates
2:09:18the year 1977.
2:09:22foreign
2:09:31one afternoon a girlfriend and I decided
2:09:34to go to the blackout bar
2:09:37and I started talking to this man
2:09:40and he told me that he was studying at
2:09:43the University it had to do with like
2:09:45police work and love
2:09:47the bar got raided and everybody was
2:09:51told to leave and so
2:09:54he was walking with me through the
2:09:56parking lot
2:09:58I said so tell me do you know if it's
2:10:01against the law in Kansas to commit
2:10:03suicide
2:10:04and he said it is against the law and I
2:10:07said well that's a shame because I think
2:10:09that anybody that wants to commit
2:10:11suicide should have that right and he
2:10:14reached over and took my arm
2:10:17and he squeezed it and he said oh please
2:10:19don't say that
2:10:21and I thought what a kind man
2:10:25by then I was at my car and I got in the
2:10:28car and left
2:10:30[Music]
2:10:31it was really sort of a nondescript type
2:10:34of character he wasn't someone that I
2:10:37gave a second thought to after that
2:10:40but it turned out that that that was
2:10:43Dennis Rader
2:10:44[Music]
2:10:49that particular day
2:10:51he had followed me home
2:10:54and then he started stalking me
2:10:57[Music]
2:10:59so I have a report from a woman named
2:11:03Cheryl she said she talked with you at
2:11:06the blackout Lounge
2:11:08now you spill that Lounge what I was
2:11:10trying to do was get more notches on my
2:11:12gun at that time
2:11:15so I was in the mood I've had everything
2:11:17set had my hip hip head rolled tape and
2:11:21I had two guns a couple of nice I was
2:11:23gonna do something
2:11:25I was at the heights of my uh eruption
2:11:30Cheryl Gilmore sarkozy's neighbor was
2:11:33Dennis Raider's sixth murder victim
2:11:36surely buy it who killed on March 17
2:11:391977.
2:11:51thank you
2:11:53I didn't know exactly who lived in that
2:11:55house because I followed her son home
2:11:57that time
2:12:00the day Shirley Bayan was murdered
2:12:03I had a four-year-old son and he had
2:12:07come to work with me that afternoon
2:12:10when he and I got home the whole
2:12:14neighborhood
2:12:15was filled with police cars
2:12:18there was a knock on my door
2:12:21and this policeman came in and he said
2:12:24the woman a few doors down has been
2:12:27murdered
2:12:29and her little boy has said he saw the
2:12:33man knock on your door
2:12:36so we feel that you might have been the
2:12:39intended victim
2:12:43I can't imagine why anybody would want
2:12:45to kill me
2:12:47it was a horrifying time in my life
2:12:51and I nailed all my Windows shut
2:12:55I couldn't sleep for months
2:12:59had I been home that day it would have
2:13:02been me
2:13:04instead of Shirley vienne
2:13:07it certainly was possible that Raider
2:13:10would have had a number of other victims
2:13:13had things gone a little bit differently
2:13:15had someone come home when he expected
2:13:18them to had he figured out a routine of
2:13:21somebody in the right way
2:13:27from the project list Raiders shared
2:13:29with me we can see that he continued
2:13:31stalking a number of people during the
2:13:33period of 1991 to 2005 but he just
2:13:38didn't succeed
2:13:40at the same time Raider worked as a Park
2:13:43City compliance officer
2:13:45[Music]
2:13:47a job that once again gave him cover to
2:13:49stock and troll in his own backyard the
2:13:52reporting parties of where the Sheep
2:13:54were killed
2:13:55a compliance officer this is like a law
2:13:58enforcement equivalent which is your
2:14:00grass is overgrown your dog is off the
2:14:02leash your house needs painting you can
2:14:04kind of Lord it over people and actually
2:14:06could carry a gun as part of the job
2:14:09did you like being a compliance officer
2:14:18serial killers who aspired to become
2:14:21cops typically had delusions of power
2:14:26as I recall several citizens called and
2:14:28made complaints about his being strict
2:14:31or rude confrontational and that type of
2:14:34behavior
2:14:36as a compliance officer he didn't like
2:14:39it if somebody did something he thought
2:14:41they shouldn't so in his world it was
2:14:43okay for him to break the rules but he
2:14:46needed that safety of that regimented
2:14:49world so everyone else around him had to
2:14:52stay within their Lane
2:14:56January 2004 marked the 30th anniversary
2:15:00of Dennis Raider's first murders the
2:15:02Otero family
2:15:04it was 25 years since his last
2:15:06correspondence with police or the media
2:15:09and had been 13 years since he'd killed
2:15:12his last victim Dolores Davis although
2:15:14no one had yet linked BTK to her murder
2:15:19when you have anniversaries news
2:15:21departments do stories on it
2:15:23so it was on the front page that a guy
2:15:26was writing a book about BTK well
2:15:30BTK did not like that
2:15:33he is so arrogant
2:15:37that he wanted to tell his story
2:15:50was made to die in prison or moved out
2:15:52of the area
2:15:54or basically just passed away
2:15:56when Dennis Rader learned that an
2:15:59attorney wanted to write a book
2:16:02about then cell BTK crimes
2:16:06and he was going to cover seven victims
2:16:09and Raider knew there were more so he
2:16:12didn't want a book written that would be
2:16:14his legacy that would really not get the
2:16:18story right
2:16:20my Administrative Assistant goes through
2:16:22the mail every day and she had gotten a
2:16:26letter that had a photocopy of what
2:16:28appeared to be an old Polaroid
2:16:31it looked like a woman's body on the
2:16:34floor
2:16:37and a copy of a woman's driver's license
2:16:40the driver's license Was Vicki
2:16:42wegerley's
2:16:44her murder had never been tied to BTK
2:16:48investigators believe the letter is from
2:16:50BTK because it has information about a
2:16:53two decade-old homicide linked to BTK
2:16:55that only the killer would know BTK
2:16:58claims in the letter that Vicki wegely
2:17:00was his eighth victim
2:17:03no photographs had been taken of the
2:17:05victim at the scene by the police by
2:17:07anybody because Vicki Waverly had been
2:17:09removed from the scene by an ambulance
2:17:11crew
2:17:12so if there were any doubts in anybody's
2:17:15mind that this guy was the real thing it
2:17:19stopped right there
2:17:22he generated the fears of the citizenry
2:17:25there in Wichita
2:17:27in your gut you felt like oh my God
2:17:30whoever he is and wherever he lives
2:17:33we got to stop this
2:17:40I let it received by cake tv was turned
2:17:42over to us last Wednesday and we are
2:17:45treated as a possibly being sent by BTK
2:17:49in 2004 after the re-emergence of BTK
2:17:54the Wichita Police Department under the
2:17:57leadership of Kenny Landwehr who was the
2:17:59homicide Lieutenant at that time formed
2:18:02a task force made up of Wichita police
2:18:04detectives FBI agents kbi agents I mean
2:18:09I said we're going to get this guy I
2:18:11don't care what it takes
2:18:14BTK is back because he wants to see his
2:18:18name in the paper he wants to see him
2:18:21talked about on the television station
2:18:23BTK is communicating again
2:18:26etk is back BTK BTK this is one of the
2:18:29most challenging cases that
2:18:32I've ever been involved with and I find
2:18:35that the individual that is doing this
2:18:37would be very interesting to talk to
2:18:39early on in the investigation a couple
2:18:42of profilers from the FBI were brought
2:18:44in and
2:18:46one of the greatest guidances that they
2:18:49provided was the creation of the
2:18:54communications that Kenny Landwehr would
2:18:57release in these various media events
2:19:01it all looked fairly natural the way
2:19:03Kenny delivered it but these were
2:19:05scripted for the intent and sole purpose
2:19:08of keeping BTK communicating
2:19:12if we could keep him communicating
2:19:15that was the key to catching him
2:19:17eventually he would slip up
2:19:20when Ken landwer did a press conference
2:19:22about you what was that like for you
2:19:25well that was pretty high
2:19:30still exist in our community so be
2:19:33careful
2:19:34I was having a field day with Captain
2:19:37Mouse not having fun
2:19:40the strategy that Ken Landwehr adopted
2:19:43was to personalize this to address
2:19:46whoever BTK was the hope was that that
2:19:51would make the killer feel as if they
2:19:54were buddies which is exactly what did
2:19:57happen
2:19:58Raider really enjoyed it so what started
2:20:01as a an attempt to control his story
2:20:04turned into this game with law
2:20:07enforcement that he thought they were
2:20:10having as much fun as he was he has
2:20:12communicated with us since the 70s and
2:20:14it continues today
2:20:17shortly after that cake tv
2:20:20a letter
2:20:21that had one page the BTK Story chapter
2:20:261 chapter 2 chapter 3 chapter 4 when all
2:20:31through the chapters
2:20:33He suggests chapter names in talking
2:20:37about BTK what killer does that
2:20:41he wanted to give us a guide on how we
2:20:43cover him basically
2:20:46but the scariest thing was the very last
2:20:48chapter was just a question
2:20:51will there be more taunting police and
2:20:56Wichita who was going to be the next
2:20:58victim
2:20:59scared us all to death
2:21:04why did you decide to send the BTK story
2:21:07to the TV station I wanted the police or
2:21:11the general population know that yeah
2:21:13there might be some more you know I mean
2:21:15it's not right off the sunset there
2:21:17might be some more
2:21:19we would get sent information obviously
2:21:22we'd read it we'd do a story about it
2:21:24but immediately hand it over to the
2:21:25police department hoping that maybe this
2:21:28will lead to his capture
2:21:30in May of 2004 Dennis Raiders sent a
2:21:34word puzzle comprised of random letters
2:21:37and numbers to cake tv
2:21:41it was obviously a word search and the
2:21:44idea was that in this puzzle there might
2:21:47be Clues to his identity
2:21:50our responsibility was to find the words
2:21:53in the word puzzle one was victim
2:21:57one was the service man
2:22:00one was ruse
2:22:03so we were in The Newsroom
2:22:05looking at this puzzle going oh my gosh
2:22:09hello Susan so nice meeting you Dr
2:22:12ramsland and thank you so much for
2:22:15shedding light on these puzzles well he
2:22:19loved codes that was his big thing he
2:22:21loved codes and communicating through
2:22:23code with just the idea of now you have
2:22:25to figure me out you have to be thinking
2:22:26of me
2:22:27why he chose these words why some are
2:22:30backwards some are forwards
2:22:32was this number which actually should
2:22:34have that two zero to it because that's
2:22:37his address
2:22:38oh wait a minute where's his address six
2:22:42two two zero
2:22:44if you saw that in O you wouldn't know
2:22:47that's a zero exactly first of all we
2:22:50didn't know at the time right obviously
2:22:52that the 622 and then the zero will do
2:22:55that was his address right here it was
2:22:58here all the time and then he puts
2:23:00address right down there
2:23:02but that's the cat and mouse nature of
2:23:05it the fun of it is he's going to take
2:23:07some risk in order to have some Delight
2:23:10over how confusing this is going to be
2:23:12and then he'll see that you won't get it
2:23:14so he'll feel Superior
2:23:16which
2:23:18I'm sure he did he sent cake tv most of
2:23:24the clues and the correspondence
2:23:26why do you think he sent it to cake tv
2:23:29he knew he was going to get publicity if
2:23:32he sent this to
2:23:33cake and he loved the station because he
2:23:36watched it as a kid he loved you
2:23:39particularly I remember
2:23:42responding to one correspondence in
2:23:45particular where he said I hope Susan's
2:23:49and Jeff's cold gets better
2:23:51two nights before I had just sat on the
2:23:53air Jeff and I have a cold Jay can you
2:23:56give us some warm weather
2:23:58why do you think he did that Raider
2:24:01wanted you to know he was watching you
2:24:03he was aware of you alert you and he
2:24:05wants you to feel his eyes on you
2:24:09that's so frightening definitely
2:24:13I was wondering because you were so
2:24:16attuned to Media at that time whether
2:24:19you ever considered a media person as a
2:24:23project
2:24:24[Music]
2:24:37ing them to get things done and that was
2:24:40the main purpose
2:24:42he's having fun because he is watching
2:24:46this hit the news be talked about on TV
2:24:51but he forgets you are a serial killer
2:24:55this cat and mouse game is about real
2:24:58people that you killed you're acting as
2:25:00if the police are playing a game with
2:25:03you and everybody's having a good time
2:25:05at it and that is not what's happening
2:25:10we were all concerned because we didn't
2:25:12know what was going to happen
2:25:15we didn't know if all of a sudden in the
2:25:16middle of the night the BTK was going to
2:25:19go show up in our bedroom
2:25:26throughout 2004 until the beginning of
2:25:282005.
2:25:30Dennis Raiders sent correspondence and
2:25:32items of evidence from his crimes to the
2:25:34media and police
2:25:36he enjoyed the publicity and he wanted
2:25:38to tell his story in his own way
2:25:42cake received another message from BTK
2:25:46about a cereal box that he had deposited
2:25:49at a home improvement store
2:25:51that wasn't that far from Cake TV
2:25:53[Music]
2:25:55we immediately detect these to Home
2:25:57Depot and they looked didn't see
2:25:58anything talked to all the employees
2:26:00about any packages they'd found
2:26:03investigators posted a message in the
2:26:05employee lounges asking if anyone saw
2:26:08anything suspicious a guy came back from
2:26:10vacation and said
2:26:12well yeah I found this cereal box in the
2:26:14back of my truck and it said BTK bomb
2:26:19thought somebody was just messing with
2:26:21him so he said I just threw it in my
2:26:23burn barrel when I got home
2:26:25turns out that was the communication
2:26:27that Raider was referring to so when we
2:26:30got the surveillance of the parking lot
2:26:32that was our actual first sighting of
2:26:34what we believe was BTK delivering that
2:26:37package
2:26:38the video was blurry and he's far from
2:26:42the camera so police couldn't clearly
2:26:44see what he looked like
2:26:45however they did see that he was driving
2:26:48a dark colored Jeep Cherokee
2:26:52what about driving into the Home Depot
2:26:55parking lot and you think they'd have a
2:26:57surveillance camera
2:26:59well before I get my yesterday where I
2:27:02put that stuff
2:27:04in the back the camera's mounted on
2:27:07them if there was any cameras
2:27:08in distance
2:27:11to be very distinguishing mainly just a
2:27:13person
2:27:15demonstrators gotten away with this for
2:27:1830 years so there's a narcissism
2:27:21we actually call this narcissistic
2:27:23immunity
2:27:25the immunity part is the the sense that
2:27:28he's so special that no one can touch
2:27:31him
2:27:32but the narcissistic immunity is kind of
2:27:36well earned because I'm one of the few
2:27:39serial killers that they haven't
2:27:41identified and never will in his mind
2:27:45be asked to communicate with law
2:27:47enforcement directly
2:27:49he was trying to find a way to do that
2:27:51without giving himself away and so one
2:27:54of the things he suggested was to use a
2:27:57floppy disk
2:27:59so at one point he sent a message
2:28:01through the media saying can I
2:28:03communicate with you guys and can we use
2:28:05a floppy disk and you won't trace it and
2:28:09then he specified be honest
2:28:13if it was okay for ready to send the
2:28:15floppy disk without being traced he
2:28:17instructed the police to respond in code
2:28:19through an ad in the newspaper that said
2:28:22Rex it will be okay
2:28:26we thought it was so ironic that a
2:28:28freaking serial killer wants us to be
2:28:29honest Lieutenant land we're decided in
2:28:31the FBI decided to go ahead and place
2:28:33the ad and see what happens
2:28:37and I wasn't really too nervous about it
2:28:40I sell a lot of stuff through the mail
2:28:42and didn't have any feedback or any
2:28:45feedback from it I guess I got
2:28:47confidence that they were sort of
2:28:49buddies or something or friends
2:28:51I kind of had a little bonding with land
2:28:54where I think I kind of wandered with
2:28:55him this letter is from BTK and we
2:28:58thought they were wanting to play cat
2:28:59and mouse and we wish they were
2:29:02I thought they would be truthful
2:29:07Raider had this kind of idealism he had
2:29:10developed ever since he was a boy scout
2:29:12in his hope to become a police officer
2:29:14it had this kind of John Wayne thinking
2:29:17going on that you know they're upholding
2:29:20the loss of course they're not going to
2:29:21lie to him
2:29:23he answered
2:29:25with the floppy disk
2:29:28the floppy was it just a test file on it
2:29:31or was there anything else on it
2:29:34I want to see if they would pick the
2:29:36monitor to get through okay is there
2:29:38anything beyond that this is a test
2:29:42one of the I.T guys they're at the
2:29:44Wichita Police Department
2:29:45loaded it into his computer
2:29:48he began pulling metadata files showing
2:29:52prior users of that disk
2:29:55immediately there was an indication that
2:29:57it had been used at Christ Lutheran
2:29:59Church up in Park City
2:30:01also the name Dennis appeared
2:30:04real quick check the president of that
2:30:07church was a guy named Dennis Raider
2:30:09that was a huge break that was one of
2:30:12those moments where you were just
2:30:14ecstatic we found an address in Park
2:30:17City and the race was on we all wanted
2:30:20to get there
2:30:28as soon as they get the location where
2:30:31Dennis Raider lives
2:30:33two of our detectives are on it
2:30:35and their sets the type of vehicle that
2:30:38was used by BTK to deliver the package
2:30:40to Home Depot
2:30:43we wanted to just go knock doors down
2:30:45and go in and get him the lieutenant
2:30:47said we don't have his DNA to confirm
2:30:50that this is in fact
2:30:53the BTK Killer
2:30:55we didn't arrest him at that point
2:30:57but he was placed under surveillance 24
2:30:597 because the last thing we wanted was
2:31:02for him to go out and try to victimize
2:31:04somebody after we had already identified
2:31:06him
2:31:07with DNA testing forensic scientists can
2:31:10link criminals to crime scenes something
2:31:12that was unavailable to police when the
2:31:14BTK killer first terrorized Wichita
2:31:17Kansas in the mid 70s we had DNA from
2:31:20the Otero case and several other cases
2:31:22at this point you've got DNA analysis
2:31:26when BTK was leading all that evidence
2:31:28behind it was worthless it couldn't be
2:31:31analyzed back then but technology had
2:31:33caught up
2:31:34were you worried about getting caught
2:31:36during this time that they might Trace
2:31:38something back to you yeah I was real
2:31:40careful with my fingerprints I didn't
2:31:42even think about Miss Seaman
2:31:44they would have had to say that what 30
2:31:46years
2:31:48but they also had the DNA sample from
2:31:51Fox
2:31:52Hank wagonally she has some scraping
2:31:55strawberries or fingernail for me
2:31:56because we did fight
2:31:59we began to mull over the idea how do we
2:32:02get his DNA and I happened to notice
2:32:05that his daughter had gone to Kansas
2:32:07State University
2:32:09to get a court order and see if they've
2:32:10got any records sure enough they had
2:32:14records of her the records indicated
2:32:16that she had had a pap smear
2:32:18were able to take possession of that
2:32:21sample then we began to wait
2:32:23for the analysis
2:32:24[Music]
2:32:26I got a call that following Monday from
2:32:29The Examiner and she said that sample
2:32:32you submitted
2:32:34that person is The Offspring of BTK
2:32:38those were words that
2:32:40I had waited and hoped we would hear
2:32:43eventually
2:32:45that's pretty definitive at that point
2:32:47it was very exciting I can only imagine
2:32:49for the Wichita guys who've been living
2:32:51this case every day and night for months
2:32:54and years that had to feel incredible
2:32:57[Music]
2:32:58following the findings of our forensic
2:33:01Laboratory
2:33:03number one on that priority was the
2:33:05arrest of Dennis Rader
2:33:12there were a number of people in the
2:33:14arrest team
2:33:16all of the task force plus a couple of
2:33:18uniformed officers we got word from the
2:33:21surveillance team that Dennis Rader BTK
2:33:23was on the move he was leaving his
2:33:25office and was likely headed home
2:33:28and so we were set up along his route
2:33:30home
2:33:32decision was made that once he passes
2:33:34that uniform car will execute a traffic
2:33:37stop on him
2:33:38when the uniform car stopped the Dennis
2:33:41Raider's truck
2:33:43I had kind of beat as quickly as I could
2:33:46move because Dennis was coming out of
2:33:48his his door popped open fairly quickly
2:33:51but before he was able to get out I
2:33:54grabbed him and introduced him to the
2:33:56concrete
2:33:58I was joined by several of my colleagues
2:34:01who had
2:34:02every kind of gun in the world pointed
2:34:04at him
2:34:05they got him handcuffed and we stood him
2:34:07up
2:34:08when he turned to me or maybe a foot
2:34:11apart looking eye to eye
2:34:14looks at me and says would you mind
2:34:17telling my wife I won't be home for
2:34:18lunch
2:34:19assume you know where I live
2:34:21just calm as calm can be
2:34:24we escorted back to the transport
2:34:27vehicle
2:34:28he stuck his head in the door and he
2:34:30says well hello Mr manware so that was
2:34:33always a immediate recognition and knew
2:34:35who Kenny was we scooted him in the car
2:34:37I jumped in next to him and we took off
2:34:39for our interview location
2:34:48be in the middle of it
2:34:51and all kinds of stuff around
2:34:53anyway when I pulled off I go down that
2:34:55side street they're all lined up on the
2:34:58street and I thought what are they there
2:35:00for could it be me and then as soon as
2:35:02they appeared number you near my new
2:35:04bottle
2:35:06to figure out how they knew I first
2:35:08thought that I made the connection when
2:35:10I dropped off my flopping in a mailbox
2:35:13and that looked really surely because I
2:35:16was no camera for anything right
2:35:18that's all I could get out of it and
2:35:20talk to her Mr lawnmower he said you
2:35:23know why you're going downtown and I
2:35:24said I've got an idea I think that
2:35:26kicked it off right there
2:35:28one of the things the FBI profiler that
2:35:31was interviewing him with Lieutenant
2:35:33land where made him say
2:35:36it was very specific he said tell us who
2:35:39you are
2:35:41tell us who you are Dennis
2:35:44and eventually he would say on BTK
2:35:48[Music]
2:35:55during the initial interview process
2:35:57Kenny lambler was in the room with
2:36:00Dennis Raider and laid the floppy disk
2:36:02on the table just to get his reaction
2:36:11[Music]
2:36:17sure
2:36:23because I was trying to catch
2:36:26when you ask them to tell you if the
2:36:28flopping could be traced why did you
2:36:30trust them I like the Scout Oath always
2:36:33be truthful not just but trustful
2:36:34because they have declared war on me and
2:36:36Wars are not nice things
2:36:40I actually felt like they should have
2:36:42given me more respect I guess playing
2:36:44her cat and mouse game
2:36:46to this day
2:36:48when Raider talks about that he still
2:36:51can't believe the cops lied to him he
2:36:54had got a degree in administration of
2:36:56justice and he would know that
2:36:59interrogators use lies all the time
2:37:01because they're trying to catch the bad
2:37:02guys
2:37:04so there's an odd
2:37:06childlike naivete at play here how could
2:37:10you have ever betrayed me like that
2:37:13Dennis even felt you know that since he
2:37:16wore badge and uniform that we were kind
2:37:19of in the same group that we were all in
2:37:21the law enforcement world
2:37:24why did you finally confess during the
2:37:27interrogation I talked about the DNA
2:37:36who has anything else to do to be honest
2:37:39cooperates in all the cases including
2:37:42the two to the County detectives head
2:37:44which are the Dolores Davis and Marine
2:37:47has you were disposed of in their
2:37:49territory their jurisdiction for decades
2:37:51it's been speculated BTK was responsible
2:37:54for more murders the 1991 murder of
2:37:58Dolores Davis and the 1985 murder of
2:38:00marine Hedge
2:38:04when Dennis Rader was asked about the
2:38:06possibility of his family knowing that
2:38:08he was BTK he did not feel that they
2:38:11ever had a clue
2:38:13on the day that Dennis Rader was
2:38:15arrested detective Kelly Otis and myself
2:38:18talked with his wife she was
2:38:21of course in shock
2:38:23in complete denial complete denial she's
2:38:26then no no said you've made a horrible
2:38:28mistake she was not going to believe
2:38:31this
2:38:32although she was putting on a brave face
2:38:34you know that she had to be her mind had
2:38:37to be just whirling and wondering and
2:38:39worrying and thinking back over their
2:38:42marriage is this a possibility
2:38:46one time of a spelling just I think was
2:38:49writing something in the church or
2:38:50something and I was using her computer
2:38:53newsletters and back and forth and she
2:38:56says he spelled his life whoa
2:39:00I said yeah I've always been bad on
2:39:01spelling
2:39:03he was manipulative enough to
2:39:08keep them in the dark as much as they
2:39:11sick to my stomach I was sick to my
2:39:14heart
2:39:16I don't know that the dentist that I
2:39:19thought I knew exists
2:39:23I did interview his son he said we lived
2:39:25the perfect Leave it to Beaver life
2:39:28he said we went on vacations dad was
2:39:30involved in our Sports and our
2:39:32activities
2:39:33the church we had a great time at home
2:39:36said there's nothing
2:39:38but the day he was arrested is basically
2:39:41the day he will Mark forever as the day
2:39:43he died
2:39:44he was like my best friend then I walked
2:39:47the dog with and I was very close to him
2:39:49and so when the FBI showed up on my door
2:39:51you know February of 2005.
2:39:54like I told him they had the wrong guy I
2:39:56tried to Alibi him and um I was just
2:39:59fell into physical shock my whole world
2:40:01just fell out under me
2:40:04when you were arrested did it occur to
2:40:08you that people who looked up to you
2:40:10were how they were going to feel about
2:40:12that
2:40:22I was very very depressed on that you
2:40:25know that
2:40:26well first of all I didn't think I was
2:40:28able to get arrested so you know you
2:40:29just keep going and keep going so you
2:40:31never think that would ever happen
2:40:33he never thought he'd be caught so he
2:40:36really didn't think about what it would
2:40:38be like for them
2:40:40to find out their father or their
2:40:43husband was a serial killer
2:40:46so if you consider that love is being
2:40:49able to think about what benefits the
2:40:52loved one then you would say Raiders
2:40:55love whatever it means does not run very
2:40:57deep
2:40:59today is a very historic day
2:41:03the bottom line
2:41:04BTK is arrested
2:41:06[Music]
2:41:10the day demonstrator was arrested I'm in
2:41:14a shopping center I hadn't gone into
2:41:16work yet my boss calls and he goes we're
2:41:19almost positive BTK has been caught you
2:41:22need to get into work right away
2:41:24No Lie
2:41:27the
2:41:28whole room the whole shopping center
2:41:31started spinning
2:41:33the blood rushed from my head down to my
2:41:36toes and I sat down and said I'm gonna
2:41:39faint and then I started crying
2:41:41I just cried and cried and cried and I
2:41:45think
2:41:46I had much the same reaction as a lot of
2:41:50women in Wichita had
2:41:52and that was such a sense of relief
2:41:58credit card son of a [ __ ]
2:42:01you know Mom can rest in peace
2:42:05come across TV you know
2:42:09I said Somebody's right there
2:42:12to my mom
2:42:16how did I know
2:42:18unless I remembered
2:42:20what he looked like
2:42:27kills me now every day
2:42:34it was it was very very uh
2:42:37tense time
2:42:39um I didn't know how to feel I wanted
2:42:41Revenge
2:42:42I wanted I wanted to get my hands on
2:42:44this guy
2:42:52[Music]
2:42:53Raider tells us he had most of what he
2:42:56called the mother lode of evidence in a
2:42:59two-drawer file cabinet located in his
2:43:01compliance office at Park City
2:43:04when we were there it was unlocked there
2:43:06was a key to lock it up on top but it
2:43:08wasn't locked so he was pretty
2:43:10comfortable I guess that it was safe
2:43:11there he had everything categorized
2:43:14indexed and they're in an order kept all
2:43:18the originals of any correspondence of
2:43:20all the the artifacts that he was
2:43:21collecting he would mark them with dates
2:43:24and times the level of organization was
2:43:27remarkable
2:43:31this time or in the past and how do you
2:43:34plead to these 10 counties guilty all
2:43:37right are you pleading guilty because
2:43:39you are guilty yes sir
2:43:42all right Mr Raider I need to find out
2:43:45more information
2:43:46well I mean I I I strongly miss this
2:43:49Otero
2:43:51he was sentenced to 10 consecutive life
2:43:54sentences
2:43:55the death penalty for his cases was not
2:43:58on the books and so we really never had
2:44:00a discussion about the death penal being
2:44:03possible he was fully aware that he was
2:44:06never going to see Freedom again
2:44:10I think that we in the media and in the
2:44:13community really fully understood the
2:44:16damage he had done
2:44:19when you could feel that sense of relief
2:44:21that he was off the street forever in
2:44:24the courtroom families of some of btk's
2:44:27victims got their first real look at the
2:44:29man police believe killed their loved
2:44:31ones this changed these young people's
2:44:33lives 30 25 years ago and they've lived
2:44:36with that ever since
2:44:38the criminal actions of Dennis Raider
2:44:40caused irreparable damage to the very
2:44:43fabric of my blood family
2:44:45he caused me to challenge my faith
2:44:47changed my future forever
2:44:50yet I have never allowed his actions to
2:44:52send me to the dark side
2:44:55Nancy Fox is my sister
2:44:58Nancy's death is like a deep wound that
2:45:02will never ever heal
2:45:04I'd just like for him to
2:45:06suffer for the rest of his life
2:45:09I'm Jeffrey Davis
2:45:11son of Dolores Davis
2:45:14for the last 5 326 days I have wondered
2:45:17what it would be like to confront the
2:45:19walking cesspool
2:45:20that took my mother's precious life
2:45:23not only were we United as a family of
2:45:29survivors we were kind of representative
2:45:32of the family of citizens of the
2:45:35community who had literally
2:45:38lived in Terror times
2:45:42you have to live with the cold reality
2:45:44that while all of us here will overcome
2:45:47your depravity you have now lost
2:45:49everything and you will forever remain
2:45:52nothing
2:45:55his wife requested an emergency divorce
2:45:58and I think it's probably the quickest
2:46:00divorce in history is probably less than
2:46:02five minutes I don't think she's ever
2:46:03looked back
2:46:05I don't think she enjoys being in the
2:46:09public she's never been interviewed
2:46:12Paul and the kids became Dennis's
2:46:14victims
2:46:15I can't imagine the price that they've
2:46:19paid
2:46:20my heart
2:46:23I can't imagine
2:46:27this is now Dennis Raider no longer in a
2:46:31courtroom suit but a prison uniform this
2:46:34is likely the last time you'll ever see
2:46:37the serial killer again
2:46:39pretty soon I'll be a black hole I won't
2:46:41be here I'll be gone
2:46:43I've accumulated a lot of deaths a lot
2:46:46of hurt
2:46:47and shame on my family were saying and
2:46:50it's kind of like things have been
2:46:52sucked into me or I'm basically in the
2:46:54black hole
2:46:55one of the things I suspected about
2:46:58raider there were things different about
2:47:00him than the typical things we know
2:47:03about serial killers
2:47:06the fact that he was a family man had a
2:47:09full-time job seemed to be a regular guy
2:47:12with an ordinary childhood
2:47:14it impressed upon me the importance of
2:47:18studying people who don't fit the mold
2:47:22who break the stereotypes
2:47:25we need to be very clear that there are
2:47:28no formulas
2:47:30because I think had we been like that
2:47:33back then Raider would have been caught
2:47:35sooner
2:47:38I think it's an irony but everything
2:47:40about raider is control and yet he's in
2:47:44a prison cell 24 7. with guards deciding
2:47:49when he gets his meds and his food and
2:47:51gets to have a shower and Etc he's
2:47:54totally under our control
2:47:58and it's important that we learn from
2:48:00people like Raider by demystifying them
2:48:03decoding them and unmasking them
2:48:08even though my work with Raider is
2:48:11finished my research of extreme
2:48:13offenders and how to prevent them
2:48:15continues
2:48:21[Music]
2:48:35[Music]
2:48:42foreign

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