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1. 0:00when we talk about uh the future of
2. 0:02disinformation and our concerns about
3. 0:04where disinformation campaigns will go
4. 0:06in the next
5. 0:07three to five years uh it's almost
6. 0:10impossible to have that conversation
7. 0:11without talking about
8. 0:12deep fakes so deep fakes and artificial
9. 0:16intelligence you know the concern there
10. 0:18is quite obvious that
11. 0:19it will allow people um to create
12. 0:22evidence of people saying things they
13. 0:23never said of events occurring
14. 0:26that never happened uh really of an
15. 0:28entire reality that just does not exist
16. 0:32while defects are a definite concern and
17. 0:34they're concerned now although
18. 0:36you know we're really not totally at the
19. 0:38deep fake level
20. 0:39you know artificial intelligence and the
21. 0:41manipulation of the media has been
22. 0:44occurring
23. 0:44for years i mean decades so
24. 0:48it's not a future threat it's a current
25. 0:50threat and you don't need
26. 0:53real kind of sophisticated technology to
27. 0:56pull
28. 0:56off a campaign to mislead people so you
29. 0:59don't need a deep fake
30. 1:00you need kind of what's referred to as a
31. 1:02cheap fake i mean we have had the
32. 1:04ability to manipulate
33. 1:05audio recordings for example for a very
34. 1:08long time
35. 1:09we've had the ability to manipulate
36. 1:12photographic evidence for a very long
37. 1:14time
38. 1:15and those of course have been used in
39. 1:17disinformation campaigns in the past
40. 1:20so while yes we need to be concerned
41. 1:22about the future
42. 1:24technologies that will make those type
43. 1:26of manipulation efforts
44. 1:28a little bit slicker a little bit more
45. 1:29sophisticated the technology that's
46. 1:32available now
47. 1:33can in many ways be just as convincing i
48. 1:35mean if you think back to one of the
49. 1:37major events of the 2016 election which
50. 1:39was the
51. 1:40access hollywood tape the ability to
52. 1:42create
53. 1:43a manipulated audio recording absolutely
54. 1:46exists right now
55. 1:47so you're going to have multiple
56. 1:49problems there one is bad actors
57. 1:51manipulating audio to try to undermine
58. 1:54a candidate or a political party or a
59. 1:56social movement
60. 1:57but the other thing is it's gonna give a
61. 1:59defense to those people
62. 2:01when there is actual credible um leaked
63. 2:04audio
64. 2:05or video evidence to say you know that
65. 2:07didn't happen
66. 2:08i didn't say that that is a manipulated
67. 2:11piece of information or technology
68. 2:14so when we talk about deep fakes
69. 2:17and where we're going in the next few
70. 2:19years i think we need to kind of
71. 2:21establish the fact
72. 2:22that a cheap fake can be just as
73. 2:24damaging i mean a manipulated
74. 2:26photograph a manipulated piece of audio
75. 2:29that doesn't require advanced technology
76. 2:31it doesn't require
77. 2:32a huge amount of skill can really have a
78. 2:36negative impact again look at the nancy
79. 2:38pelosi
80. 2:39recordings that have gone out on
81. 2:41facebook
82. 2:43all the video editor did there was
83. 2:45basically
84. 2:46slow her speech down by a frame or two i
85. 2:48mean this is very sort of basic
86. 2:50technology
87. 2:51but we saw how viral those videos became
88. 2:54we saw
89. 2:55how influential those videos became so
90. 2:58again there is a concern about where
91. 3:00we're going in the future when we talk
92. 3:02about deep fakes but in the presence
93. 3:04we need to be worried about the cheap
94. 3:06fakes as well