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0:09are you
0:11we introduced ourselves in the lobbies
0:14in earlier so we're just going to do
0:15that again my name is Kevin Kobach I'm
0:17with the Colorado Bureau of
0:18Investigation and we're assisting the
0:21Frederick Police Department with this
0:23case involving Chris watts and this is
0:26Tim Martinez also an agent at CBI sir if
0:30you just introduce yourself
0:31Duane Kessinger I'm Nicole's father
0:34Duane what's your birthday November 3rd
0:361958 and overdress producer 88 a1 was 60
0:415th Avenue
0:42what city that's Arvada 8004 and a cell
0:47phone or home phone or work seven two oh
0:50nine eight two four five four seven
0:54thank you and Nicole can you just
0:57introduce yourself for the recording yes
1:02please
1:04one two two five five six 12 six five
1:16six
1:179:05 clawed Court is that I think we
1:21determine it was northglenn line you
1:24know yours okay it's no too far okay
1:30can you speak up just a little bit so
1:31the recorder I know you're tired and
1:32you're stressed and we won't be here any
1:35longer than we have to be you've already
1:37had a conversation with people before
1:39you came here on your own free will to
1:41talk to us we picked you up at your
1:44request and brought you here you can get
1:47up and leave at any time you don't have
1:48to talk to us if there's a question you
1:50don't want to answer don't answer it if
1:52you don't want to talk anymore just tell
1:54me I want to tell me I want to leave and
1:56I'm kind of in the way of the door B
1:59you're not being you're not being
2:02interrogated as a criminal suspect we're
2:04here to understand your relationship
2:07with kritis and what you know about
2:09Chris and his family and events relating
2:14to Chris Watts and you know I miss Chris
2:16or Christopher okay so the phone number
2:23that you reached him on can you tell me
2:24what that number was I think I deleted
2:28that out of my phone too I just like cut
2:30him out of my life it's a nine one zero
2:33number you guys have it well we gave it
2:38to mark yesterday I probably have it
2:42just in case I don't have it if I
2:44recited it to you would you know it just
2:46the first three numbers but you know it
2:50is a nine one zero no yes that's what I
2:52do i North Carolina or something girls
2:57okay so let's just start with like a
3:01timeline of your getting to know Chris
3:06how you guys met where you met all those
3:08things let's just run and I'm not gonna
3:10ask you specific questions in this I
3:12think it's necessary I'll let you just
3:14tell me your story I think it's a little
3:16bit easier that way so I just want to
3:18know how you met him where you met him
3:19hella you guys were dating and those
3:22initially okay then come at him sometime
3:27in June
3:28probably early June it might have been
3:30May it was just talking at work that's
3:32pretty bad and he didn't have a wedding
3:38ring on his finger and every time I
3:40talked to him he didn't tell me that he
3:42was in a relationship he didn't even
3:44mention his kids right away either and
3:48then one day he told me that he had two
3:50kids I was like that's pretty cool and
3:53the sort of telling about his kids that
3:55sounded like a sarcastic comment no I
3:56thought it was kind of cute I was like
3:58oh he's a dad it was like right around
4:00Father's Day too
4:01so whenever that is in June yeah some
4:06that good with holiday Tommy in kids and
4:08then it was Father's Day shortly after
4:10so that's what I do now and I was like I
4:12know I thought it was cute and then he's
4:15tell me about him he's pretty excited
4:16about him and then um he mentioned that
4:21he did have a significant other and then
4:24he told me that those two were in the
4:27process of a separation did he mention
4:31the children's name or his significant
4:33others name um I didn't know his
4:36significant others name for awhile and
4:38then I think he told me his kids names
4:41pretty quick but to be honest with you
4:44on an exact date of when that happened I
4:46don't know
4:47so imagine first of all where do you
4:51work I worked at in Darkover giant
4:54corporation I'm contracted to end our
4:56covert giant corporation okay and you
4:58work out of an office setting where I'm
5:00flat no Colorado okay and Chris also
5:04works out of that location yes yes he's
5:07in the field but he comes into the
5:09office with his team so you work what is
5:12your job responsibilities I do healthy
5:15health safety and environment
5:18so you work in the office and you take
5:20care health safety for Anadarko is a oil
5:23and gas company right yes so you're
5:25doing health safety in the office and
5:27Chris works in the field yes as a what
5:30kind of job does he do he's an operator
5:32so I don't know like all of his
5:34daily duties but he's a field operator
5:37so he works with like the oil wells so
5:40he goes out and does work on those
5:43whatever yes he comes into the office
5:46frequent in the mornings his team meets
5:49in the mornings they don't they're not
5:51all in there every day some days some of
5:53them are in there some of these other
5:54ones are in there but in the mornings
5:56typically from like 6:15 to probably 7
6:01somewhere around there and is that where
6:02you met Chris yes okay so can you just
6:05take us through kind of a little bit of
6:07the early part of how you guys how he
6:11courted you or you courted him I don't
6:13know which one happened how you guys
6:15have to know each other
6:16um I guess we just started talking he
6:19actually so part of my job is to manage
6:23the gas monitors that we have so
6:25Anadarko requires all of their field
6:26personnel to carry like gas monitor
6:29sensors for toxic gases and it was my
6:32job to control the inventory and issues
6:34anything like that and we were having
6:37some pretty serious like equipment
6:39issues and we had numerous amounts of
6:43people coming in my office one day and
6:44he happened to be one of them and I'd
6:49seen him before like they meet in the in
6:51the lunch room and that's where I go put
6:53my lunch in the fridge I'd seen him but
6:55I didn't never like talk to him so that
6:59day we just started talking and then
7:01every time I saw him in the hallway
7:02after that and it was always hit or miss
7:04like it wasn't an everyday thing it was
7:06just when I saw him we just started
7:07talking and we just kind of had a lot in
7:10common and just hit it off so we'd
7:11always have you know pretty good
7:12conversations and then one day he just
7:16he he told me that he had kids and
7:19started talking about his kids and then
7:20mentioned yes that I have a wife but
7:24we're getting separated okay and when do
7:27you think that was when he said all that
7:29so specifically what he told you he was
7:31getting separated from his wife was that
7:34within the first couple weeks that you
7:36knew him or was that later on you said
7:39you met him around May or June yeah it
7:42was still in June okay it would have
7:44been before Father's Day Shred you guys
7:46ever going out
7:47kind of know at that time you just no no
7:50no no conversing at work yeah that's all
7:52was and then um we started hanging out
7:57we hung out we went to went to a park
8:00honey I'm not a park let's go back real
8:03quick so he took why did he tell you
8:04that he was gonna divorce did he ask you
8:06out at that time no he didn't I think he
8:09was probably interested in me and so he
8:14talked to me a couple times via his work
8:17phone and I was like no like it was
8:21still very like friendly conversation
8:23but then when I realized like this man
8:25is interested in me I am interested in
8:27him this is personal so we got away from
8:30de Anadarko thing because I really don't
8:32want those guys affiliated with any of
8:34this and so you have a work phone that
8:37specifically no I have one phone that I
8:40do both on he has two phones okay so
8:43here your phone the seven 2:06 but
8:46that's the only number that I wrote with
8:48all the time okay so he has to follow
8:51one of those owned by Anadarko is
8:53personal yes it's been so long and I
8:59mean I'm sure I could like look it up
9:00but I try to look it up for those guys
9:02yesterday and I couldn't find it okay
9:03you can find it that it's okay someone
9:06if you do it but at that point we just
9:10like took it to his phone cuz I just
9:12felt it was like better that way and we
9:15just continue to talk and then um let me
9:18go back to the park where's the park
9:20it's like down the street from my house
9:22that's called East Lake number three
9:24your house is north yes and that was a
9:28the June timeframe
9:29yeah we're like the beginning in July it
9:32was like right around my birthday it's
9:34like so sometime at the very end of June
9:36or the beginning of July okay and that's
9:39the first meeting you had outside of
9:40work yeah
9:44basic conversation for a first date I
9:47mean we kept it pretty simple I guess
9:50you know I don't
9:52everything we talked about sure there
9:54for a few hours I understand my so if I
10:00ask about conversation when I'm looking
10:01for word was he talking about his family
10:04during any of these meetings those are
10:07the kind of I understand they were you
10:10know whatever you guys were talking
10:11about relationship your life your
10:14interest those things that we don't need
10:15to know that what I'm interested in is
10:17knowing is when he brings up his
10:19children when he brings up his wife when
10:21he brings up financial information when
10:25he brings up this home what he brings up
10:27anything that may have been and it's
10:31been a few days so you've had a chance
10:32to reflect on some articles that you may
10:35have read and you know unfortunately
10:38that you're in a situation where
10:40somebody has been murdered and that
10:43information when you look backwards in
10:47your memory with the conversations with
10:49Chris anything that he might have said
10:51that would be relative to dead and I'm
10:54not just you know even if he one day he
10:56was man he said I want to do this or do
10:58that you know anything like that if he
11:01ever made any kind of statements that
11:02you were like whoa that was weird or why
11:05would he say that
11:05or why did he mention that joiners know
11:07when I know I completely understand I
11:09just feel like some of this happened so
11:11long ago that I can't tell you like the
11:15exact words of the exact conversation at
11:18the exact time and place because it's
11:20like we had a lot of conversations I
11:22mean we talked every single day so it's
11:24like I'm trying to help you guys with
11:26the stuff like the stuff that's more
11:28current I can give you guys a lot more
11:30like detail and exact times when you're
11:32asking me about something that happened
11:34six weeks ago on exactly what was said
11:36it's like I mean I'm sure I can give you
11:38a general idea but to be honest with you
11:40like to pinpoint exact words it's not
11:42gonna have I'm not looking for exact
11:44words just more let's say six weeks ago
11:48he said something that triggered with
11:51you last night that's what I'd be
11:54looking for or something four weeks ago
11:56and if you don't remember where it was
11:57or just specific words that doesn't
12:00matter just he said something that was
12:02off the wall or he said
12:04I said that that has caused you a moment
12:06to pause and you go why why you said
12:08that now knowing what you know today do
12:11you understand work where I'm going with
12:13them
12:13I completely understand and to be honest
12:15with you I mean there were several
12:16discussions that we had about his
12:18current relationship and where it had
12:21gone and what it had caused and he
12:24talked about his kids from time to time
12:26but the thing was is he was never
12:28hostile it was never anything aggressive
12:31like even when he spoke of his wife and
12:34the fact that they were separating it
12:36was never like it it was it was very it
12:40was still very kind it was just like
12:41this is not working you know and would
12:44explain why but it wasn't anything out
12:47of the ordinary or anything that I think
12:49would scare me into this day even after
12:51everything that I found out I still look
12:54back at that and I don't see any red
12:56lights with the way that he spoke of his
13:00family and you just described as the
13:04overall demeanor over the eight 10 12
13:07weeks that you guys knew each other
13:08wasn't that long it was like six weeks
13:11I've ever hanging out I guess we knew
13:13each other long okay but you met in the
13:15office and just his overall persona who
13:19was it was he aggressive was a mellow
13:21was he calm was he outspoken well who
13:25was Chris he I you know I think he's an
13:28introvert I would consider him to be
13:29like a pretty I don't want to say he's a
13:33very reserved individual I think he's
13:35probably more reserved around other
13:37people I think he emphasized to me that
13:40one of the reasons that he really
13:41enjoyed talking to me is because if he
13:43felt like he could get out of his shell
13:46he said about most people he just like
13:48didn't really feel the need to to like
13:52talk and converse and it wasn't just in
13:54his home life just in general it wasn't
13:57something where he he's not revert and I
13:59said with him with me it made him feel
14:02like he could really just start talking
14:04about things that excited him and I
14:06think a lot of that had to do with the
14:08fact that we had things in common so
14:12with me I think he was a little bit more
14:14outgoing but even then
14:16I would still consider him to be an
14:18introvert I mean not on the extreme end
14:21if an introvert went to like one to ten
14:22I'd put him at like four or five so on
14:26the lighter side of interesting pretty
14:27even cute yes like really relaxed like
14:30all time he was never really like worked
14:32up about anything just mellow very much
14:38okay and he was that way with you did
14:41you ever did he ever have any kind of
14:43did you guys ever have arguments I mean
14:45very short relationship no arguments
14:48during that time did he ever lose his
14:50temper at anything never know so you
14:54never saw him upset or mad no and there
14:58was a couple times that we had some
14:59disagreements on things that as we like
15:01further progressed into this story you
15:03know but it was never like I am a very
15:05common I talk to people it's like
15:06extremely rational when I handle
15:08situations that there's a disagreement
15:10in and he always was the exact same way
15:13like always I never stressed anything I
15:16think one thing that actually kind of
15:19drew me to him was the fact that he was
15:20like very open with communicating with
15:22me if there were any like differences on
15:24how we saw things or just like
15:27open-minded about things it was it was
15:29actually I I personally thought it was
15:31kind of unique because usually most of
15:33the men that I've ever met are typically
15:35very closed off and I didn't get that
15:37from him at all but it was always like
15:39kind very kind so no sense that this guy
15:44had a temper not it wasn't was
15:48aggressive or he never lost his mind
15:52yellow they said crazy stuff or anything
15:54like that okay so can we just kind of go
15:57back to your relationship you said you
15:59guys had a lot in common what what was
16:02that
16:02no I mean like we were both really into
16:04fitness I think that's important it's a
16:06lifestyle well the most a pretty healthy
16:08so I think that was important as well um
16:11he's like a total gearhead he likes cars
16:14a lot and I don't know nearly as much
16:16about them but it's always been
16:17something that I've been pretty
16:19interested in so he definitely talked
16:21about stuff like that um and I guess he
16:26was always willing to like learn new
16:27stuff and vice-versa so like I like to
16:28travel
16:29it's not something that he's done a lot
16:31but he seemed like really interested in
16:32what I had to share with him and vice
16:35versa so even if it wasn't something
16:37that we originally had in common
16:38together it was just like hey I respect
16:40what you have to say and vice versa so
16:43you guys Yang and yang got along pretty
16:47well very well and no time he never did
16:52any indication that he was having issues
16:58so you garyun your guys dating time did
17:02you guys spend most of the time at your
17:03place
17:04always always at your place I told well
17:07or we'd go out but um I told mark
17:11yesterday he asked me if I went over
17:13there and I told him about one time that
17:15I went over that house I've been to that
17:16house twice but it was very very brief
17:18and it was not like an extended stay I
17:21did not feel comfortable there or like I
17:24just don't want to be there it's not my
17:26life like that is somebody else's life
17:28and somebody else's existence and I
17:29respect that that's their space and so I
17:31used to tell him we'll come to my house
17:33because this is like this is our space
17:36this is my space and so for me out of
17:39respect just for like whatever situation
17:41he had going on and the fact that it's
17:43not my home I felt that it was better to
17:46be in my place and I live alone oh how
17:48many roommates or anything so it's
17:49pretty easy to do that so during June
17:51and July did you were you aware that he
17:54his family was not his did you meet his
17:57children nope didn't want it away and he
18:00didn't ask me to okay I mean not that I
18:02didn't want to ever
18:04it was just not now it's like you're not
18:07finalized with your separation and not
18:10only that we've barely been dating like
18:13you can't introduce kids to somebody new
18:16in a situation like that that's
18:18something that takes time
18:19I mean what I have liked to have met
18:21them of course they you know I mean that
18:24would have been a great honor for me to
18:27have somebody introduce their children
18:28into my life you know and and but not
18:31that it was something that it was like
18:32okay well let's see you around six
18:34months let's see wherever in a year and
18:36if we're still doing this and you and me
18:37are still you know happy with where
18:40we're at and you think
18:41this is something that is going to be
18:42long-term and is worth bringing your
18:44children into the picture then yes I
18:46would love to meet them but it's like
18:48not right now you are still in this
18:50situation where you're not even
18:52completely out of it and I'm getting in
18:54it and that's not fair for them and that
18:57was kind of the policy that I had with
18:59him was it was just like yes but not yet
19:01so that he has two children not at that
19:05time I think both him and I were on the
19:07same page of eventually if things went
19:12as they should it I understand you guys
19:14a relationship is very new yeah so
19:19although it was short I just laying
19:23everything out helps us understand what
19:25actually was going on with him
19:27yeah some we may I might ask you a
19:30question you're going why you asked me
19:31that probably because I have information
19:32that I'm not willing to share with you
19:34I'll tell you that right now
19:35I'm not going to some questions I'm
19:37gonna ask you one thing I want to share
19:39some information with you just it
19:41protects you that it protects our
19:42investigation so if it seems weird
19:44there's a reason I'm asking it as much
19:46usually relative to what I know so don't
19:49don't take offense to it again it's just
19:52part of what we need to know understood
19:54so just you went to his house upon two
19:58occasions yes it was that recent no that
20:01was like pretty early into it and I did
20:03not like it and did not want to go back
20:05do you recall where the house was yeah
20:07it's like right off the highway in
20:09Frederick okay you know the streets I
20:12mean I'm sure I could figure it out
20:15again if I like really had to like off
20:17top of my head no do you know the street
20:18name no I would have to like drive
20:21around in there to get there okay um did
20:24it look like anybody else look at that
20:26house oh definitely I mean he told me
20:31that he was living in the basement um
20:33and he said were separated but we're not
20:36divorced and we're gonna get ready to
20:39sell the house and that was the
20:40impression that I was under and I was
20:42under the impression that they were
20:43taking everything pretty slow with this
20:44with like getting ready to sell the
20:45house I mean those are big things so
20:48that's what I was informed on I mean if
20:49you think about it this whole thing
20:51happened in a six week stretch like
20:52that's not really that
20:53much of a timeframe so in that sense
20:57like it's believable to me yes I went I
21:03went to the house and the first time I
21:05was there I hung out and they're like
21:10front living room I just sat on the
21:12floor and it was on the fourth of July
21:14it was the morning of the fourth and I
21:15was helping him to set up MyFitnessPal
21:21app and like track his food his calories
21:23and stuff cuz he does pretty good with
21:25the working out and stuff and he asked
21:26me it's like can you help me just like
21:28get this dialed in it's like yeah I can
21:29do that so that he invited me up to the
21:32house and I was already kind of hesitant
21:33to do it cuz I was like there are other
21:35people that live here and I just felt
21:37like it was an amazing space and so I
21:39went up there and we just stayed in that
21:41front room and I helped him out with
21:43that and got him all set up with that
21:46and then oh he asked me if I won lunch
21:50any grilled chicken and carrots chicken
21:52and carrots and then I thought that's
21:54all he had and I was like okay so we so
21:57we ate and then I laughed and then there
22:01was another day about I can give me the
22:05date ish after my birthday just a thing
22:14on the courtesy for the phone for what
22:18was that guy's name dawn this gentleman
22:21third PD I just met him today do you
22:25want to do the forgot about that forty
22:27PD it's not for them they're doing it
22:30for us yes we just didn't we don't have
22:32the equipment with us to do it and I
22:34asked them to do it for us they're not
22:36involved in this investigation he would
22:38just be a computer person he would not
22:41be looking at any of this stuff that
22:43would fall to myself so keep that in
22:46mind he's not involved in this
22:48investigation Thorton PD has nothing to
22:50do with this other than letting us use
22:52their facility and helping us with some
22:55electronic download he's not gonna look
22:57at your phone right now he's gonna put
22:59it on a disk and they're gonna give it
23:00to me
23:03I really want to help you guys I do I
23:07feel like I'm this whole thing is just
23:09gonna be crazy regardless of whether I
23:11give you my phone or not I mean that's
23:14kind of how I look at it like it's
23:16happening it's gonna happen
23:19well the touch gets you've been saying
23:21all along so it's not like well they do
23:23that's the other thing too I mean that's
23:25kind of a good backup yeah I think you
23:27hit the nail right on the head there's
23:29reasons why we want everything it
23:32validates things that we know come on
23:36come on tell you that I if you tell me
23:39something date will validate it with
23:40your text messages whether it's the ones
23:42yeah yeah are the ones you're gonna give
23:44us certainly if you want to I want you
23:48to read this is what I want you to do
23:50before you decide that okay oh the
23:53second time I went to that house I'm not
23:55sure what day it was but it was the
23:57weekend I don't know if those 14 to the
24:0815th one of those two days but we had
24:11went out and we stopped there just real
24:14quick on the way back and we were there
24:17not very long but that time I saw a
24:19picture of his wife and one of his kids
24:23and I remember thinking to myself like
24:25wow she's so beautiful and I like took a
24:28step back and I was just like this man
24:31has a gorgeous house he has beautiful
24:34babies he has a beautiful wife he has an
24:37awesome job like why would he want to
24:41leave this and I remember talking him
24:45about it and that was the first time
24:46that I tried to actually say what do you
24:50think about not separating from your
24:51like wife like what if you really try to
24:53work on this and he had expressed to me
24:55that we've tried to work on this and
24:57it's not working so that is why we're
25:00separating and I spent some time like
25:03just you know kind of because it almost
25:06made me feel bad where I was like to the
25:08point where I'm engaging in a
25:12relationship with a man who
25:15the way he described it is in a
25:18contractual agreement but was not in
25:20like an emotional relationship with
25:22somebody and for me the way I would have
25:26preferred to do this is to avoid until
25:28that contractual agreement was also done
25:31and he was done and he could have
25:34approached me and said I just had a
25:37divorce you know maybe we could take the
25:40slow what do you think but instead it
25:42was Oh were separated and we're working
25:44on a divorce and that is the part that I
25:50feel bad about because I should wait it
25:54on that and I didn't and you know I was
25:57just like well they're already there so
25:59you know but then being in a house it
26:02was just like why fix this find a way to
26:05fix this make it work you know and and I
26:07would I would I was like trying to push
26:09him to do it and he seemed pretty
26:11reluctant to do it he didn't want to and
26:14I don't know we were still seeing each
26:18other fairly frequently but I kind of
26:21like backed away so we weren't hanging
26:24out quite as much and we were so close
26:26but it was just like I really wanted him
26:28to try like I wanted to know that he
26:30tried and it didn't work and then he
26:34moved on not not that you know they both
26:43kind of tried and then he got himself
26:46into a situation with somebody else and
26:49I don't know I just thought he had a
26:51beautiful life going on and he could
26:53have made it work
26:54that was the way I looked at it from the
26:56outside is this something you reflected
26:58on since this event or was this you know
27:01I was doing it then like you said this
27:03doesn't look right he's kind of I don't
27:06want to be responsible break up a
27:08marriage especially with two children is
27:09that kind of just I'm getting here I
27:11didn't think it didn't look right I mean
27:13I think he was legitimately sleeping in
27:16the basement and I don't I didn't think
27:18that these two were I mean I think it
27:21was like hey we're both stuck in this
27:22house for now we got to sell this in the
27:24meantime you
27:25live here I live here we sit in
27:27different rooms take care of the kids
27:29that's just like kind of how I took that
27:31and no I didn't think it didn't look
27:34right I just thought it just seemed like
27:37he had so much going on and it was just
27:40beautiful that I was like why don't you
27:42just try this out you know and see if
27:45you can fix it and you'd always be like
27:46well what about us what about us I'm
27:48like don't worry about us like that is
27:50more important like try to see if you
27:51can like salvage whatever it is that you
27:53have going on with your wife and and you
27:55know I always got the impression that he
27:57was a great father to his kids like
27:59always and so you know I was I can be
28:02the dad that you want to be I was
28:03looking to see if he could make it work
28:04and he just like we kind of talked about
28:07it off and on for like a few weeks and I
28:09was just kind of like I don't know like
28:11I think I was kind of like cold feet
28:13about it when I went after I went over
28:15his house and so this was like pretty
28:17early on and then he told me that oh he
28:23went to UM he went to North Carolina and
28:28he was like I'm gonna talk to her when
28:32I'm in North Carolina and see if I can
28:35get her to do this until I try to like
28:39rekindle the flame okay so try to
28:43salvage his relationship as you've been
28:45asking him yes and and then if he
28:47resided in North Carolina um I think it
28:50was like the last week of July somewhere
28:53so I mean this was like a couple weeks
28:56that I was just kind of like Chum push
28:58him listen let's pause at North Carolina
29:00and come back to that real quick I want
29:02you to read this if you don't understand
29:04what it means then ask me the question
29:06but basically what it says is you have
29:08the right not to let me look at your
29:10phone I'm asking to look at your phone
29:12for the purposes we previously discussed
29:14for the text messages and your phone log
29:17and unfortunately the photos that are
29:19attached there into that information is
29:22only relative relative to this
29:24investigation
29:25I'm not looking at anything ice except
29:26for the conversations between you and
29:28Chris Watts and the phone data between
29:33you Chris Watts for phone calls for
29:35times and dates
29:36those phone calls and then the content
29:40of the text messages that are there and
29:42we will write that specifically down
29:44here understand that don't want anybody
29:46to get some of those tags like they have
29:48nothing to do with this case and they're
29:50just like between you and Chris yes
29:52they're just they're just so just tell
29:56me what your they're just kinda raunchy
29:58okay everybody's on a dull post like
30:02we're not gonna somewhere I don't I
30:05don't want the ones papers to get that
30:07that's all I want the only ones that we
30:08might be looking for again is the same
30:11kind of questions we're getting to here
30:12is things about his children things
30:15about his wife
30:16that is the questioning of did he ever
30:19you know as he ever said something to
30:21you that might indicate maybe not then
30:24but now that there was something like
30:26this in his mind or you you know what
30:29we're looking for I don't need to come
30:30out and tell you that I understand the
30:33embarrassment of particular photos or
30:35potential sexual types of conversations
30:39you may have had with Chris it's it's
30:42not relative than it's an investigation
30:44we don't care okay you're an adult I'm
30:47an adult everybody in this room's even
30:49your dad and I give it to you for saying
30:51that stuff in front of your dad because
30:53I'm not sure many women could do that so
30:55that's not what we're after we're after
30:58the information that cooperates things
31:01that you've told us and also that
31:04cooperates or may tend to prove that
31:08things that Chris told us or a lie you
31:11understand that and that's maybe going a
31:14little bit far usually won't tell people
31:15that but because of your reservations
31:16that's what I'm looking for if I can
31:19disprove something he's told me by a
31:20phone record phone records don't why
31:23people do okay so if I can disprove
31:26something that may be important that's
31:29what I need it for I'm not saying I can
31:31has it happened before absolutely is it
31:34critical in cases that I've worked in
31:35the past
31:36yes so that's why I want it okay again
31:40you don't have to give it to me you can
31:42tell me I don't want you to have it go
31:44get a warrant I know you're going to
31:47tell you if I go get a warrant try to
31:48get a warrant right
31:49I'm just asking for you to consent and
31:51and again we can write right here what
31:53you're willing to go mean which is the
31:55text messages and the phone log and
31:58unfortunately again the attachments on
32:00some of those text messages and I'll
32:02write it on there and then you'll just
32:03sign it okay Josh do you understand the
32:06questions there you have questions about
32:07any of the things that it says you
32:09understand you don't have to do this
32:10you're doing it of your own free will
32:12and I know you're tired so if you want
32:21to let your dad read it too that's a
32:25good idea
32:25can you fill it out before I sign it
32:27they just you read it if you have any
32:30questions then we'll put on there what
32:32we're after should have told me I would
32:37have got you some food I got food in the
32:38car that's not stand down she hadn't
32:42been feeling good not because any just
32:44like I got sick prior to being full
32:47whole thing happening and then I think
32:49however all of this come found me with
32:52the fact that I'm sick it's just not
32:53good I've not really been eating or
32:55sleeping much old
33:03yeah I I'm with you and we definitely
33:08need to accelerate the case because the
33:12more law and the more takes the less
33:14sure that they are of situations but on
33:19the other end I think if we if you do
33:22just that only you tell me what you're
33:24going to advise Eddie and is that good
33:26enough I just want like our text
33:30conversation I guess our phone call
33:32records so I'm gonna put another time
33:36and date of the phone call records and
33:37then our text message ever get photos of
33:39him huh could we get photos of him off
33:43of my mind if we got his photos did he
33:46send to you
33:47oh well there'll be in that text message
33:49thing so all his photos were sent there
33:51was no apps or anything else you know so
33:54that's all just text messages yeah so
33:57it'd be an attachment to a text that he
33:59sent you pretty much but everything is
34:01in the text and the phone call records
34:03so like all of it because we don't have
34:05it on tape we discussed prior to turning
34:08the tape on on Tuesday which would have
34:13been the 14th of August you have read
34:16some newspaper articles on the 13th from
34:18the 14 that regarded this case yeah
34:21almost I had a conversation with Chris
34:22at some point during the day on Monday
34:24and on Tuesday because of what you found
34:27specifically what you said was and I
34:29don't let me put words in your mouth but
34:31you found out that his wife was pregnant
34:34but I yes and you did not know that
34:37prior and you found that out via the
34:40newspaper articles and that caused you
34:43concern well I just realized like he was
34:47lying to me and I was like well if you
34:49can lie to me about this what else he
34:50lying to me about and it made me realize
34:52that maybe his wife was in danger at
34:54that point and it was day 2 - and she
34:56still wasn't home what did that caused
34:59you to do with your phone though Oh what
35:02when I deleted those I was just kind of
35:05grossed out by him to be honest with you
35:07I was just like I don't know what's
35:08going on right now but you just lied to
35:10me and I don't want to see this come
35:13over my phone anymore so I removed
35:16so you just you already said but you
35:19remove text messages I deleted all of
35:21his stuff because he lied to me I mean
35:23that's what it was it was it was the
35:24hurt that made me delete it and then it
35:28was the lie that made me start
35:31questioning everything else he'd been
35:32telling me for the last few days and
35:34that's when you decided to come forward
35:35yes
35:36so just for context yes when people
35:39deleted stuff up phones usually we go at
35:47all he he he lied to me it just hurt
35:50like I had never felt like he never lied
35:53to me before and it was a big lie I mean
35:55telling somebody that you're in the
35:57midst of a divorce and then you have a
36:02wife that has a fifteen week old baby on
36:05the way is a huge huge thing and I was
36:10very taken back and I was just it was
36:12hurt and so at that point I just I
36:16deleted it I had it I had a few more
36:19quick things to say to him and then I
36:23just got rid of him that's literally
36:26what I did I just cut him out of my life
36:28it would honestly been like a bad
36:29breakup kind of thing like if none of
36:31this other stuff would have happened
36:33that's what it would have been that
36:34would have been the end of it the
36:35information was not destroyed because
36:38there was anything in there that would
36:39be harmful to you or potentially to
36:43Chris at this point but harmfully to you
36:45in particular that's not what you did no
36:47you get a lot of excuse my language this
36:51guy's an [ __ ] so I'm getting it that
36:56was like me kicking him out of my life
36:57and then like I said and then realizing
37:01that he lied that was when I was like
37:02okay maybe his family is in danger and
37:05they're not coming back and they're not
37:07staying with a friend yeah when do I go
37:11over there Tuesday morning Wednesday
37:13morning Wednesday and called you
37:15Wednesday morning that's when we started
37:17to discuss and you guys need to get
37:19everything that they just you can
37:23understand the importance and felt no
37:25question we were like I said people lie
37:30and they really help specifically
37:33establish dates and times I think we
37:35don't ever have a very good grip on that
37:37in this case already but there may be a
37:39time when we go we need to know
37:40something else and then we would have it
37:42we don't want to lose it and that's
37:44that's really what it is for us is if we
37:46lose information that later on we go man
37:48I wish we would hang out that and we may
37:50never even use these we may never even
37:52look at them but if if we have it now
37:55than we didn't worry about those so I
37:57appreciate you being cooperative and
37:59giving it to us so the first thing I
38:00wrote was text messages between Chris
38:03wants and attachments okay so because
38:06we're talking about the photographs
38:08unfortunately they've caused you much
38:10disdain and then I am going to put foam
38:15log for calls between yourself and Chris
38:25wants your phone number is seven to zero
38:30six five six nine six
38:41and this right now is located at we're
38:45at the third Police Department
38:46it's gonna be moved to my so this is
38:49kind of doesn't make sense but we're
38:51here it's gonna be moved with a car
38:52Bureau of Investigation he's gonna
38:54download it here but I'm gonna take it
38:55with me just so you know it's not
38:57staying here okay they're not gonna
38:58retain any of this this comes with me
39:00okay okay anything else you want on
39:04there I think that's about that's it I
39:07mean I don't have social media I don't
39:09really have anything else you guys can
39:10poll okay is there anything else you
39:13know of that could help us with this
39:16this uh as far as like data no no I mean
39:22everything we did was like text and talk
39:25pretty much I mean and like I said any
39:28pictures that I had like even if you
39:30were to restore all my regular photos
39:32there's so many pictures in there and
39:33you wouldn't even know which ones were
39:34for him and which ones weren't but the
39:36one any picture that I wanted to send to
39:37him I sent via text so if you guys go
39:39through the text and the attachments you
39:41will have you will have everything that
39:43wasn't said verbally and what's done via
39:45text but I think that's it like I don't
39:47have I'll have anything else as far like
39:51no Facebook no Instagram no no Twitter
39:54no LinkedIn like none of it so there was
39:58never any of that kind of correspondence
40:00so I think that should probably cover
40:02everything you guys will need is there
40:04any particular messages that I would
40:06help me so I don't have to look at
40:08because whatever is on your phone I
40:10don't know how long we're gonna get back
40:11to but let's say there is there a
40:13particular date or time or message that
40:16stands out to you that would be relative
40:17to specifically to the investigation
40:19into this case that might assist me in
40:22understanding why it's something like
40:24this could have occurred I'm still in
40:27shock that this whole thing happened I I
40:30like that's why I gave him the benefit
40:34of the doubt for the first day cuz I was
40:36just like no way like I didn't even
40:38think about that
40:39I mean murder was not on the top of my
40:41mind when somebody doesn't come home for
40:43an evening especially if they just like
40:46had some sort of like heated
40:49conversation it's like okay you guys are
40:51separating I'm heated conversation you
40:53leave for a night like I didn't even
40:55think this guy killed his wife I mean
40:58that but like murders on something on
41:00the top of my mind when I call one of my
41:03friends for three or four hours and she
41:04doesn't answer the phone like that
41:06doesn't even process to me is like a
41:09real thing that is a possibility at that
41:13point and so that's why I gave it a day
41:15and then the second day I was talking to
41:17him he was just like a hot mess I could
41:19tell and then with like the way he was
41:22talking to me and then that's kind of
41:24when I cut him off and I stopped talking
41:26to him and then so remember what you
41:30just said and we're going to get to that
41:31because that's probably a very important
41:32yeah so if you want to know choice I
41:35would probably honestly just start it
41:37like Sunday and work your way forward I
41:39mean all the rest of that stuff it's
41:41just like the small talk of like hey
41:43this is this you know I mean and your
41:45relationship building through them yeah
41:48I mean like and if you go like a maybe
41:50like a week further back like there's
41:51times like I was trying to help him find
41:53an apartment like just for him not for
41:55me but for him and his kids to get set
41:59up and like there's time so I'm like
42:01well where's your wife moving to like
42:04how close is she gonna be to you you
42:06should be within like 30 minutes of your
42:08kids so they're close and like you want
42:11to be close to their school and close to
42:12your gym and like what's your price
42:15range like I was helping him get all of
42:17this stuff set up and it was like in a
42:19very decent manner I don't know if all
42:21of that is in text some of it's probably
42:23on the phone like at this point I've
42:25talked to him so much that I don't even
42:27know which parts are like verbalize and
42:30which parts are texted at this point but
42:32we can figure it out okay you see what I
42:35wrote text messages between Chris Watts
42:38and attachments and then the phone logs
42:41for calls between your phone number and
42:43Chris wants those are the two things
42:45that were asked to be extracted from
42:47your phone so if you're okay with that
42:50why does it say ends removed cell phone
42:52data isn't that this that is that and
42:54that's what he's gonna remove
42:55and then that Officer is gonna fill that
42:57out gotcha
42:58what is the date I don't even know what
43:00today is the 16th should give me a phone
43:16yeah we just we wanted to give you
43:18everything but we also want to be
43:19protected in doing so it's more of the
43:22shirt was more the thing it's just and
43:25we just done we'll give you is there a
43:27password or anything like a bullet lock
43:29up after and let's go back to North
43:49Carolina okay he went to North Carolina
43:52and he was trying to rehab his marriage
43:54with his wife uh he said you knows her
43:57name at this point yeah okay
43:59are you okay saying everything it's
44:02Shannon and you know the children's name
44:04yes that's a balance last season she
44:08went by they called her CC huh
44:11so he went to were they in North
44:13Carolina they're already there if you
44:14want yeah they were already out there he
44:20just left I mean uh do you know why they
44:22were there they're they're all from
44:24there okay so they were they were
44:26visiting her family for the most part
44:29until he got there and then they still
44:31were mostly visiting her family okay did
44:35you know how long they had been there a
44:36while like weeks
44:38all right and he flew out to join his
44:42family there yep
44:43you know specifically where he played to
44:46what airport no no no wood city
44:50I'm sure if I thought real hard maybe I
44:53could think about it but I mean come up
44:55with it no I don't know all right so he
44:58goes there how you said it was like a
45:00last week of July I think so I think was
45:02like one of the last days of July I'm
45:04almost positive I think it was a weekday
45:06okay um yeah I flew out there and I
45:13thought I'd like convinced him to like
45:16try to make peace with her and I was
45:19like if you guys work on this like about
45:23cuz what's the point like I'm not trying
45:25to be with somebody that's in another
45:26relationship which I know that sounds
45:28silly given the whole relationship that
45:30we had in the first place but I really
45:32was under the impression that they were
45:35separating I mean it was like reiterated
45:38to me so many times that that's what I
45:41thought it was and it made sense to me
45:43too because like he could pretty much
45:45call me whenever he wanted like I was
45:47the one that would tell him like hey I
45:48mean your kids are awake you need spend
45:49time with your kids like do that and
45:51then after they go to bed like if you
45:53want to talk to me you can talk to me
45:54but it was never like this
45:56super super restricted thing like
45:58sometimes right after work if I was like
46:03still talking to him I get kind of
46:04bummed out and I you know I touched like
46:06oh it's frustrating sometimes like
46:07having to like wait but at the same time
46:09I was never like this is horrible or you
46:12know it was always like I said why but
46:16then once his kids were asleep he never
46:19liked had any it was like he could do
46:24what he wanted do you know what I'm
46:25saying like he was in his basement and
46:27she's upstairs and they're not speaking
46:30so it kind of made sense it wasn't like
46:34we're talking or whatever you know I
46:37mean and it was just it was like I said
46:39it was at certain times with that tie
46:40and originally it wasn't but it was me
46:43that put that timeframe on there because
46:45I thought you should hang all those kids
46:48those two times you were at his house
46:50did you see any evidence of that him
46:52living in the basement
46:53do you ever show you that area I see
46:55yeah I went down there and saw his his
46:58little workout equipment and there's a
46:59bed down there all set up in the
47:01basement was all clean in Oregon
47:02and stuff so like a like a decent bed
47:06setup so it made sense to me like hey
47:08this is this is what's happening down
47:10here so I saw it even though his family
47:15was a North Carolina for multiple weeks
47:17it appeared that he was still living in
47:19the basement well and he told me
47:22sometimes he would like go upstairs and
47:24sleep if if like he was home alone
47:25because I don't see like going business
47:27trips and stuff but he's like I don't
47:28like that bed anyway so he didn't really
47:30like sleep over there I was like okay um
47:33even when it was just him so that was
47:36the impression that I got and how are
47:40you talking about North Carolina yeah so
47:43North Carolina um so he still made a
47:50very frequent communication with me when
47:51he was out there and at one point he
47:54told me that they sat down and they
47:58talked about it and he told her that he
48:01wanted to either fix things or like to
48:04try to fix things and if she didn't want
48:05to fix them then they need it to like
48:07move forward with the separation and
48:09like actually filed for a divorce at
48:11this point was was the impression that I
48:13got from this and was what he told me
48:15and so um he said that she was like
48:20pretty receptive to just not trying he
48:23was like
48:23she seemed like she just wants me to go
48:25he's like when she has her mind made up
48:27she has her mind made up and that's what
48:28she wants and he's like she doesn't want
48:30to try anymore and he's like neither do
48:32I really and he was like it's done and
48:34he's like and then the next day I don't
48:39even know what days these were sometime
48:40when he was out there he told me we're
48:45putting the house up for sale as soon as
48:46we get back and I was like well that was
48:48quick and he was like it's her she's
48:50ready to go on almost like okay and so I
48:54left it at that
48:55and then um he got back and I started
48:59asking him like what are you gonna do
49:02because the Colorado housing market is
49:04fire and you guys are gonna sell this
49:06house like real fast and I'm like you
49:08need to start looking for a new place to
49:10live
49:10and I'm like where do you want to live
49:13I was really trying to help him out I'm
49:15like do you want to get a house do you
49:17want three bedrooms so you have one in
49:20each of your girls have one I'm like do
49:22you want to you know like do an
49:25apartment like what do you want you know
49:27where do you want to live because he's
49:28in Frederick but that whole area over
49:30there is just like a bunch of small
49:31towns and you can kind of just pick and
49:33choose everything's kind of you know and
49:35so he told me why I like Brighton and I
49:40was like okay and then he told me he
49:43wanted a two-bedroom apartment and he
49:45said he wanted one room for him
49:47and the other room through his two girls
49:49and I thought it was kind of cute like I
49:52remember telling him I was like yeah me
49:53and my sister had bunk beds like at my
49:55dad's house and I was like when we were
49:57little girls and we were me and my
49:59sister this a major part is him and his
50:01I mean that's his two daughters you know
50:03so I told him I was like they're gonna
50:04love it it was like it there might be
50:06like stuck in in one room together I was
50:08like but they'll become like best
50:09buddies and it was really exciting like
50:11I liked helping him and I just wanted
50:13him to like I don't know this is what he
50:19told me he wanted so I was like well I
50:20will help you do the research but
50:21another thing that I really took care of
50:23was to be like where is she moving to I
50:26was never like you know what screw your
50:27wife try to get a full custody none of
50:29that [ __ ] it was always just like
50:31you know I'd ask him I'm like well what
50:33kind of custody you guys gonna have
50:35because he said he at work they're about
50:37to switch his schedule so right now he's
50:39like I'm Monday through Friday and
50:40they're about to switch these guys to
50:42eight days on six days off and I and I
50:47was sort of so tell I was asking Tomas
50:49like are you gonna have your kids like
50:51on that set of days off I'm just like
50:54because that would work perfect like one
50:56week on while we come and I was just
50:57like you know we just talked about it
50:58and I'm like what is your plan
51:00and he's like we haven't figured out
51:02exactly what we're gonna do about the
51:04kids yet but he told me he's like
51:05Colorado's in 50/50 state and she's okay
51:07with everything did think that they like
51:09he said that she was like on board with
51:11this because she wanted it to like she
51:13was checked out of this relationship so
51:16that was like how he made this sound
51:18thought it was like a very like kosher
51:22were done kind of thing never given my
51:26books or articles or anything to read
51:29about saving your marriage
51:31did you ever provide anything to him
51:33like that about saving his marriage yeah
51:35like how to recover a marriage or how to
51:37save your marriage you know there's
51:39there's all sorts of publications and
51:40Alex out there no but I did tell him and
51:43I don't know if I did this through text
51:44or phone that will be something you guys
51:45will I'm sure figure out but I would
51:48tell I told him a few times like I think
51:50that you should take the time to read
51:52some articles about what separation does
51:56some kids you know I told him I said
51:58when my parents separated we were
52:00literally like three and five we were
52:03almost the exact same age as these
52:04little girls and I told him I said you
52:05know I was so young when it happened
52:09that it didn't really have like a big
52:13negative effect on me because it was so
52:14small that it didn't really process it -
52:16well it was like but I do have cousins
52:17that their parents got divorced when
52:19they were like 10 11 and I think that it
52:22hit him a little harder you know and I
52:24and he's like oh they'll be fine you
52:25know and I told mine it's like even
52:27though they're small and you think that
52:29they'll be fine I was like I think you
52:30guys should just read about it just so
52:32that you guys are prepared in case you
52:34know one of these two starts having a
52:36hard time with the fact that you guys
52:37aren't in the same house anymore you
52:39know and and I would tell them what's
52:41okay no there's pros and cons to it like
52:42cuz he was like getting ready to do it
52:45and it would be like you know it's kind
52:46of cool having two Christmases and you
52:48know like your parents gonna go you know
52:50be happy doing whatever it is they want
52:52to do with their lives and they don't
52:53have to be in a situation that's
52:55probably not good for the kids because
52:57it's not good for those two you know but
52:59at the same time it was like just read
53:01like that's what I always used to tell
53:03him I'd always tell him to leave I tell
53:05people to read about everything reading
53:06is so good for you so he at this time is
53:10telling you that yeah I am the guy
53:12trying to save the marriage and she
53:14doesn't that's what he told me that's
53:16what he told me so um and he yeah and
53:20then he was like she doesn't want it so
53:22I'm not gonna do it and then it was like
53:24we're filing for divorce we're selling
53:26the house and this was like all as soon
53:29as they were coming back from North
53:29Carolina like Andrew recalled when he
53:32gets back from North Carolina no I don't
53:34even know how long he was out there I
53:35know it was like less than two weeks in
53:37more than one okay I
53:38don't remember so he was he comes back
53:40early August would that be fair
53:42oh yeah it was definitely like in the
53:44first two weeks somewhere or probably
53:46the second week of August at some point
53:48in that I don't remember when this is
53:49why come back with me yeah they all came
53:51back y'all come back they all came back
53:54and then yeah so he he continues to just
54:01you know tell me that this is like what
54:03he wants and and so I took the time and
54:05you will see that in the text to where I
54:07like like they're like I found this
54:09apartment it was perfect it was so cute
54:11I was like it's in your price range it's
54:13like six miles from the gym it's 23
54:16miles from work I'm like you know it's
54:18super close to Frederick it's gonna be
54:20by your kids school like this is this is
54:22the spot you know and and and I told
54:26most like I'll keep looking for more
54:27places and he's like well there's some
54:28that I want to go see too and he
54:30actually had me thinking that he was
54:32gonna go look at these places this week
54:35before all this this is fairly recent
54:38than this just happened like in the
54:40lines gonna go to look at apartments he
54:42wanted me to go to reason when you say
54:43this week are you saying like this was a
54:45was the 13th like this week okay yeah so
54:49I told miles I go pick out a few spots
54:51and if you want me to come with you I'll
54:53go look at him but you you know you said
54:56earlier that he had never or that the
54:59the apartment wasn't for you in him it
55:01was just for him and his children oh yes
55:03it was you weren't had no intentions of
55:04meeting with now I have my own spot I
55:07still have at least there till July and
55:09even then like he never asked me to move
55:11in with him and I never tried to move in
55:14with him I mean I told him I mean I
55:18really try to take everything with this
55:20whole situation very slow the only part
55:22that I screwed up on was the fact that
55:24he wasn't completely separated from her
55:25when him and I decided to spend time
55:29with each other that is where I screwed
55:31up but other than that everything else
55:33it was always like you know you build
55:36your life I'm gonna build my life we
55:38will intertwine them but I am NOT ready
55:41to like do this and he respected that
55:44yeah and I and I I even said that I
55:47don't know why that might be in the text
55:49but so that two words like Chris like
55:51you
55:52need space like you're just getting out
55:54of a divorce like personally I think
55:56jumping into a new relationship is a
55:58little quick it's like I was in a
56:01relationship earlier this year and I
56:03think this is also a little quick and
56:05I'm like so why don't we take our time
56:07and I'm like if you guys end up doing a
56:08week on a week off with your kids and
56:10like the week you have your kids be with
56:13your children and the week that you
56:14don't I'm like I don't even want to see
56:17you every day I'm like I think we should
56:18spend like a few days of that together
56:20I'm like cuz I like my space and I think
56:23you need your space I think you need
56:24your space to like develop your identity
56:26again and like get it back because I
56:28think he's just been like so wrapped up
56:30in this whole thing that he's got in his
56:32own life and his life that he I mean he
56:34doesn't remember probably what it's like
56:36to like be single or have time where
56:38it's like just him sure and so it's just
56:40like you know like embrace that I think
56:43it's a beautiful thing and I really try
56:44to like take it smart with all that and
56:46it was the same thing with his kids so
56:47it's just like you know like and I and
56:50we talked about things every once in a
56:52while where I you know I'd be like hey
56:53if I ever meet you know cuz like I have
56:55a lot of houseplants it's a good example
56:56so I have a lot of houseplants and I
56:58told I told him almost like one day if I
57:01ever meet your kids I was like I'm gonna
57:03show these girls how to like paint
57:06pottery and plants plants it was like I
57:07think they would love to see something
57:09grow that they built I think it would be
57:10really really cute and like little stuff
57:13like that but it wasn't very frequent it
57:15wasn't hey we should get married and hey
57:17we should have babies and hey I want to
57:19live with you and hey I need to meet
57:20your children now and let's cut the mom
57:23out it was never like that house there's
57:25never any conversation though you know
57:27we can't do this with her around we
57:29can't do this with the kids around he
57:30never said that you never said that no
57:33so their way you guys are trying to make
57:40this work was just you know slowly
57:43trying to come together because of his
57:45current situation and you buy your own
57:49mine you're just a independent person
57:53that sounds like pretty much and but
57:57through text message or through
57:59conversation he never said hey you know
58:03this is
58:04to be financially able I'm not going to
58:07be financially able to do this or this
58:09isn't a good thing and I got these kids
58:11none of those conversations ever came up
58:13no no I mean he told me like he had a
58:16budget restriction so for his apartment
58:18and I'm pretty sure this isn't the text
58:20and this will probably be in the last
58:21couple weeks he told me 1,100 of 1,400
58:24when I was asking him wait cuz I told
58:26might help them do homework I was like
58:27you do small work I'll do some homework
58:29we'll knock this out because if you guys
58:31are for real quote in the house up you
58:33got to figure it out and so that was his
58:38budget and I remember asking him ins
58:40look you sure you don't want to just get
58:41like a house and he's like I never
58:42thought about a house I'm like yeah you
58:44didn't rent houses man like it's a thing
58:46and he's just like I don't know if I can
58:48afford that I was like okay and I knew
58:52that those two had been through some
58:53financial trouble I definitely found out
58:55a lot more about that situation in the
58:58newspaper recently
59:00okay so prior to the newspaper how did
59:02you know he was in financial difficulty
59:04cuz he I mean I when I went to that
59:08house everything in there is very very
59:12very very nice it looks like it all
59:14comes with a very expensive price tag
59:16and I didn't say anything to him about
59:19it but I could kind of tell them where I
59:21was like just looking at everything like
59:22how do you guys afford this and then he
59:25has that car I don't even know how much
59:28that car cost but I'm gonna look order
59:30that Lexus I'm sure that thing cost like
59:3280 grand but just like money like
59:34everything just look like it costs a lot
59:36of money in that house you probably have
59:38a decent idea of how much money he makes
59:41yeah and it's not enough money to pay
59:43for all that
59:43not even close did you have any idea of
59:46what Jan did for a living or how much
59:49money she made me I mean I had an idea I
59:52don't I mean I would consider her like a
59:54sales rep I don't know how else to
59:55describe that um for the company that
59:59she worked for and I don't know exactly
1:00:02how much she made he said that she was
1:00:03really competitive and she liked to try
1:00:05to keep up with him he's like she gets
1:00:06close sometimes so I don't know how much
1:00:08those two brought in I mean I've taught
1:00:10my head if I could guess probably
1:00:11somewhere around like 140 K air I mean I
1:00:14don't know because I don't know exactly
1:00:16how much he
1:00:17and I don't know exactly how much she
1:00:19makes but bass just awful like what I
1:00:20know about the oilfield like yeah I
1:00:23would say that's probably an accurate
1:00:25estimate so even if they're making let's
1:00:27just use the figure a hundred thousand
1:00:29dollars they're living above their means
1:00:32are probably oh my god like way too much
1:00:36discuss with you any of those issues I
1:00:38mean a little I mean I didn't know about
1:00:40the bankruptcy or any of that till I
1:00:42read on the newspaper about that but he
1:00:44just I think he was really frustrated
1:00:46with the situation he told me he's like
1:00:49you know I feel like my paycheck goes in
1:00:51my bank account
1:00:52and I just watch it go like this he's
1:00:53like but it doesn't have to he's like
1:00:55she makes it like that and I was just
1:00:57not be resentful for that I don't know
1:00:59if he was resentful I just think he was
1:01:01frustrated by the fact that they could
1:01:03be doing a lot better financially and
1:01:05she from the vibe that I got I had
1:01:09really bad spending habits so she was a
1:01:12spender
1:01:13the car of hers or his I think it's hers
1:01:16I'm pretty sure that that's worse you
1:01:19know what other car they might have all
1:01:21I mean is a PC pickup truck and that's
1:01:24that's it I think that's one buy in a
1:01:26darkroom though right yeah but so I
1:01:28don't I don't think they own any other
1:01:30vehicles as far as I know I think it's
1:01:32just that thing and in Anadarko who
1:01:34doesn't want to drive that on his own
1:01:36personal time right so he just got one
1:01:38vehicle yep and it's a very expensive
1:01:40Lexus it's a huge house I was very taken
1:01:48back when I saw it I was like wow you
1:01:52guys six years inside caused you to
1:01:54pause everything everything was just
1:01:56like and then you mentioned today you
1:01:59read something about bankruptcy yeah
1:02:01where did you read that those guys filed
1:02:04bankruptcy for a lot of money and who
1:02:06were those guys into that that couple in
1:02:092015 Oh
1:02:10Shanina chrisfix filed bankruptcy in
1:02:132015 okay and you said for a lot of
1:02:16money do you recall the oh no no because
1:02:18it was different in each of newspapers
1:02:20and I don't know which one to believe so
1:02:22hundreds of thousands of dollars so yeah
1:02:28I don't know that this
1:02:30just back to him and the financial he
1:02:33tells you he has a concern enough to at
1:02:36least express some something to you that
1:02:39he's frustrated with the way she spends
1:02:41or he's upset with working so hard and
1:02:44never have any money and she's kind of
1:02:47the responsibility she's the responsible
1:02:49party for spending most of the money I
1:02:51pretty much got that vibe I mean he just
1:02:54saw me he's like we're house broke all
1:02:56the time I was just like that's
1:02:57unfortunate and I asked him I was like
1:03:00DM 401k and he was like yeah and I mean
1:03:03the reason I asked him this is because
1:03:05if I get in a relationship with somebody
1:03:08I want to know like what kind of baggage
1:03:11that they have I think that's important
1:03:13if I walk into a situation where I'm
1:03:14like hey I have good credit and I have
1:03:16all these things I've been building and
1:03:19you don't have your stuff together like
1:03:22what are we gonna do with this and it's
1:03:24important for your your long-term mood
1:03:26so I'm preparing and so I just asked him
1:03:29was able to your 401k and he was like
1:03:32he's like yeah I do have that and then I
1:03:35asked him I was like I I didn't ask him
1:03:39like how much that they had or anything
1:03:40but I just said is your life stopped
1:03:42sustainable and he was like no and I was
1:03:46like how long do you think that's gonna
1:03:47take he's like I don't know but it's not
1:03:49sustainable we're not his girls go to
1:03:50school I don't know he never actually
1:03:52told me like when I gave it I asked him
1:03:55once I was like when I was trying to
1:03:56find him an apartment I was like are you
1:03:59comfortable tell me where your girls go
1:04:00to school that's in the text - I was
1:04:02like so I can figure out what distance
1:04:04from the apartment is I was trying to
1:04:06just make his life convenient with like
1:04:08him his ex his kids and all the stuff
1:04:11that he needs to do and work and he was
1:04:15like don't worry about it their schools
1:04:17pretty centrally located so anywhere in
1:04:19the area that we were discussing we'll
1:04:21be fine and he just left it at that so
1:04:23he didn't even tell me which was fine I
1:04:25respect that cares obviously very
1:04:27expensive for two three five year old
1:04:29right so I understand ever bring any did
1:04:34he ever discuss that never never
1:04:38like the only like I said the only
1:04:39financial thing he ever said is just
1:04:41like she just likes
1:04:43like a lot of it so that was just kind
1:04:44of the vibe that I got from that and
1:04:46that it was just it was a lifestyle that
1:04:48she liked to live like very like
1:04:52materialistic kind of lifestyle yes all
1:04:57the time and he said that that was why
1:04:59they got that house too it's like she
1:05:01wants everybody to think that we live a
1:05:03certain way and that we can like sustain
1:05:05all this stuff and he's like and we
1:05:07can't and I told him I said when you're
1:05:09in those situations why don't you I'm
1:05:12like do you like boys your concern about
1:05:15this and he told me he's like when I try
1:05:19to talk to her he's like she's really
1:05:20bossy and she usually shoves me out and
1:05:22he's like when she does that he's like I
1:05:25just let it go just like all right I
1:05:28mean I don't I don't try to like
1:05:30interfere with how those two interact
1:05:32but I did ask about it because I'm just
1:05:35curious because I would never put myself
1:05:36in a situation where someone was like
1:05:38you know we're gonna live in this house
1:05:39that costs like double what we can
1:05:41afford and that's how it's gonna be
1:05:43because I want everybody to think we're
1:05:44fancy because I wouldn't do that I mean
1:05:47to me like I wouldn't put up with
1:05:48somebody doing that to me and I'm not
1:05:50saying that that's what she was doing I
1:05:51mean for all I know he could have been
1:05:53completely lying about this he could be
1:05:55the one spending all the money sure you
1:05:57know this is just what he told you
1:05:58exactly so I mean that's as far as I can
1:06:01interpret it so I can't be like well oh
1:06:02she needs to do this and she needs to
1:06:04that but he you know he just he voiced
1:06:07his concern where it's just like
1:06:08financially I'm in a very bad spot that
1:06:12I don't need to be in what I'm stuck in
1:06:15and that was kind of where he was at so
1:06:17but I mean he was never like mean when
1:06:20he talked about her he was never hostile
1:06:22like nothing like that he just very
1:06:25calmly like this is the situation and I
1:06:28think the only reason that he even
1:06:29provided me with that information is
1:06:31because I asked okay you said something
1:06:35about her being controlling or bossy
1:06:40bossy hence we said bossy in like all
1:06:45aspects of their life
1:06:46or what do you know exactly what you
1:06:49meant by that how that affected him and
1:06:52he was just saying when he voices his
1:06:54opinion it's not heard this is the gist
1:06:58of that which I thought from what it
1:07:00sounded like from their separation from
1:07:02them trying to separate that that was a
1:07:06big deal for him where he was saying
1:07:08that the reason that they don't really
1:07:11get along anymore is because he feels
1:07:12like he's not heard he says that he you
1:07:16know he comes home from work and he
1:07:17tries to talk to her and she'll just be
1:07:19like one minute I'm on the phone or
1:07:21she'll like scroll through social media
1:07:23and she like doesn't acknowledge him and
1:07:28he said that he'd addressed it with her
1:07:30a few times and they're calm he said
1:07:32that don't really like fight like they
1:07:34don't want screaming yell and he said
1:07:38he'd addressed it with her a few times
1:07:39and he said it just fell on deaf ears
1:07:41he's like she just seems like she's not
1:07:44interested anymore and I think it made
1:07:46him sad because I mean he was like all
1:07:50about his kids and he seemed like he was
1:07:52trying to be all about her but it just
1:07:54wasn't reciprocated and I think at that
1:07:55point he was just like I don't
1:07:59it's just they just kind of like fell
1:08:03apart just kind of drifted apart but it
1:08:06was was that your words or it is what
1:08:08the thing apart yeah those are mine okay
1:08:11those are mine he just said that they
1:08:13didn't communicate very well and it
1:08:16wasn't in a like a aggressive way
1:08:19communicate it was just the fact that
1:08:21they didn't like communicate got it is
1:08:24didn't talk they had children and they
1:08:27did whatever mentioned that he was
1:08:31trying to resolve or save his marriage
1:08:33to for the children's sake I mean is he
1:08:39told me that he believed that the only
1:08:41reason that those two had still been
1:08:43doing it as long as they'd been doing
1:08:44good he told me that her and him have
1:08:48had communication issues for about six
1:08:51years where she just seems really like
1:08:53detached and uninterested in like trying
1:08:57to like build something with him
1:09:00and he said I said six years is a really
1:09:05long time for you guys to not fix that
1:09:07considering they were married for what
1:09:09eight I mean that's like the majority of
1:09:12their marriage and he said sometimes I
1:09:16think we just do it for the kids or
1:09:18something like that I mean it's been a
1:09:19long time since I heard these
1:09:20conversations so I don't know like burp
1:09:22a nice butt but it was pretty much just
1:09:24like a kid you to remember some yeah
1:09:25like but he said it wasn't just him
1:09:27though he was like I think she does that
1:09:30too you know I mean and it was like this
1:09:33equal part where they are just kind of
1:09:35like going through the motions I think
1:09:38and so like when he told me that she was
1:09:42cool with like the 15% of everything and
1:09:44just like breaking it off and being
1:09:47really civil about it it kind of made
1:09:49sense to me because I was like the way
1:09:51he made this sound it wasn't oh she's
1:09:53this horrible person or oh I'm this
1:09:55horrible person it was her and I have
1:09:57drifted so far apart that it's kind of a
1:09:59mutual agreement that this is not gonna
1:10:01work
1:10:01so in those six years though they had
1:10:03two children yep
1:10:05and you said earlier you did not know
1:10:08she was pregnant until reading the
1:10:10newspapers so that never came up in any
1:10:14conversation there was no no indications
1:10:19that that was going on he never hinted
1:10:22to anything about that as far as you
1:10:24knew he was just leaving her he had two
1:10:28children and that was the final take on
1:10:33that yes I think I know her you lied to
1:10:36me he lied to me because if I don't
1:10:38known that he had a child on the way I
1:10:40don't never wasted my time with him in
1:10:42the first place like none of this would
1:10:43ever even occurred if he had just told
1:10:45me the truth so do you think if he found
1:10:48out that you if let's say this week you
1:10:53guys were to go look at some apartments
1:10:55and this is hypothetical but you you've
1:11:00never found out that his wife was
1:11:02pregnant
1:11:05would that have changed anything that
1:11:08you just said if I knew he was his wife
1:11:11was pregnant I wouldn't be in this
1:11:12picture so if his wife was not pregnant
1:11:16and forgive me but if if if he takes her
1:11:20out of the picture you do never gonna
1:11:21know that she was pregnant right
1:11:24why didn't he takes out a picture like
1:11:26if he murdered her she's out of the
1:11:29picture you're never gonna know if she
1:11:30was pregnant if he can get away with
1:11:32part of it
1:11:34you're not gonna do I got divorce for my
1:11:37wife you see do you understand what I'm
1:11:38saying here if if she's gone but this
1:11:41don't leave hypothetically please don't
1:11:45wait if she you understand where I'm
1:11:48going well you know you're leading into
1:11:50questions that are nothing with your if
1:11:53you didn't know that wait Nick that she
1:11:56was that did you hear what I said
1:11:57I'm not following you I just want her to
1:12:00answer a question that relates to she
1:12:03said something that's important that if
1:12:06he didn't have a child on the way or if
1:12:09he didn't if she didn't know that she
1:12:12would have continued their relationship
1:12:13right what he killed his kids at what
1:12:16point does he think that I'm gonna I'm
1:12:17not really I'm not talking about the
1:12:19children I'm just talking specifically
1:12:21about her if if you only knew if the
1:12:26kids were still here and he called you
1:12:29and said I'm divorced from my wife and
1:12:31he gets away with this
1:12:34do you understand what I'm thinking from
1:12:37his aspect I still wouldn't do it I
1:12:40still wouldn't do it cuz I'd be like
1:12:41where did she go okay because I'm under
1:12:45the impression that she's a really good
1:12:47mom like he never bashed her mom and
1:12:50skills like he knows no I wouldn't know
1:12:55okay no and that's that you see where
1:12:58I'm trying to take that yeah so he never
1:13:00you guys never had a conversation about
1:13:03the child period I didn't know at all
1:13:07and by your words if you did know you
1:13:11would have ended the relationship well
1:13:12because it wouldn't have made sense to
1:13:14me that he's like I'm getting separated
1:13:15oh by the way I have a baby on the way
1:13:18it's like you are a liar you're just
1:13:22trying to sleep with me
1:13:23that's what I would have probably
1:13:24interpreted that as and I - just shut
1:13:26that off at work and that would have
1:13:27been the end of it okay all right the
1:13:35week that he comes back from North
1:13:37Carolina
1:13:38you don't remember somewhere in the
1:13:39first couple weeks of August yeah I
1:13:41think it wasn't secondly but I don't
1:13:42remember I've got my head so we'll just
1:13:44use August as a time frame is that fair
1:13:47because you know he left in July he
1:13:49comes back in August
1:13:50how many times do you think you see him
1:13:52I saw him a few times I saw him this
1:13:55past Saturday I saw him that Wednesday
1:13:58before that and he wanted to see me more
1:14:00I was wondering one of my space I was
1:14:02like no your kids are home go hang out
1:14:04with your kids and even on Wednesday I
1:14:07cut it short like he came and hang out
1:14:09with me for a few hours and I was like
1:14:10go chose your kids I was always like
1:14:14great news my own specifically were you
1:14:16guys when did you meet at your house did
1:14:18you guys go to any restaurants did you
1:14:21go to establishment um last Wednesday he
1:14:25came to my house and this past Saturday
1:14:28we went to what's the name of that bar
1:14:32that we used to go to it's not the same
1:14:34the lazy dog but it's the one off of a
1:14:36hundred and forty fourth and nine twenty
1:14:38five I think it's 144th up there and
1:14:41it's the lazy dog
1:14:42yes did he ever mention a Rockies game
1:14:49no but there was a it was a the Broncos
1:14:56were playing okay which we couldn't see
1:14:59cuz I saw this I'm in a few spots but
1:15:00it's okay cuz it's preseason but so you
1:15:05do recall what time you went there no I
1:15:10remember well kind of so he had to get a
1:15:13babysitter that night you know that was
1:15:15uh somebody who's really young I
1:15:18remember I asked some of his babysitter
1:15:19was and he's like we have to this girl
1:15:21is only 17 but the other ones out of
1:15:23town so this girl's no stay and she
1:15:26doesn't do overnights so I gotta be back
1:15:28by 10:00
1:15:29and I remember her saying that and him
1:15:31saying that and I I don't know what time
1:15:33he got to my house it was between I want
1:15:35to say like 5:30 it might have been five
1:15:37but I don't think so because I think the
1:15:39babysitter if I remember correctly
1:15:41showed up at like 4:30 or something and
1:15:43he was like I want to spend time getting
1:15:45my kids activated to her and then I will
1:15:48come so hurt his children didn't even
1:15:50know her
1:15:51oh no they knew her but he was saying
1:15:53like he likes to like stay there for a
1:15:55little while while he doesn't just like
1:15:56walk out the door we're gonna show up
1:15:58it's like a transitional thing and so
1:16:01that's why I'm saying I don't know how
1:16:03long it was I want to say like 5:30 and
1:16:05then he had to be back by 10:00 so he
1:16:07left at like 9:00 something to be back
1:16:08by 10:00 so come pick you up what was he
1:16:10driving no he didn't pick me up he came
1:16:14to my house we drove my truck okay so
1:16:16you he gets to your house you know where
1:16:18he was driving to get your house um off
1:16:20the top of my head I don't remember um
1:16:23I'm pretty sure he usually drives that
1:16:26Lexus but he doesn't always park it in
1:16:29my complex cuz the parking there's not
1:16:31good spaces so where you guys picked me
1:16:34up at a lot of times he'll just park out
1:16:36there because there's room okay um so
1:16:39that kind of works so that he's because
1:16:41there's just not a lot of room in my
1:16:42apartment complex but off the top of my
1:16:45head I don't know what he was driving
1:16:46what kind of truck - you drew I Drive a
1:16:49Toyota 4runner okay so you guys take
1:16:52your forerunner to the lazy dog
1:16:56yep and you said they sat you in crappy
1:16:58locations were you inside when you walk
1:17:02you in you just hang a right and we were
1:17:03like one of the first two booths on the
1:17:05right when you walk in the door you just
1:17:07it's just not a good it's a good spot
1:17:08but just not for the TVs and we actually
1:17:10went to the other lazy dog we went to
1:17:12the one that you and me go to where's
1:17:13that our federal and 120 s its 120th and
1:17:17federal and we went there and they have
1:17:20a different menu and I was like I don't
1:17:22to eat this food so we should go to the
1:17:24other one did you actually get seated uh
1:17:29kind of sorted they were like cleaning
1:17:31off a table and we were standing there
1:17:33just kind of looking at the beer menu in
1:17:35the food menu and I was like I don't
1:17:36want this and so we left the car
1:17:38probably somewhere around there six
1:17:41thirty and then we left and went to the
1:17:44other one and we ate dinner and here in
1:17:47the night first or second booth right up
1:17:48to the right of the door I'm just asking
1:17:50because if they have verify that so
1:17:54that's why it's important and you're
1:17:57there for how long I don't know we
1:18:00didn't stay for dessert
1:18:01so I don't know how long it's a
1:18:02restaurant table again hour and a half
1:18:06probably about an hour and a half and
1:18:08then we went back to my house for a
1:18:10little bit hung out at my house um a
1:18:13little while and then he I believe and
1:18:15then he left you work all the time he
1:18:18left no I remember he was like gonna be
1:18:22late to be back at 10:00 I think there's
1:18:25a text message where he starts texting
1:18:26me when he's home at his house so you
1:18:29can probably figure that out and I
1:18:31remember I texted him back and I was
1:18:33like damn that was quick or wow that was
1:18:35really quick he's like yeah I even had
1:18:36time to stop at the ATM or stop at the
1:18:38gas station stop somewhere to get money
1:18:40to pay the babysitter okay and I was
1:18:44just like thinking like well that was
1:18:45really fast um but I think he was still
1:18:48like a little late coming back but
1:18:50nothing too drastic so he probably left
1:18:52my house like somewhere around 9:30 ish
1:18:55all right and you know you go straight
1:18:58home he texts you well I was already
1:19:01home right no he texts you he goes
1:19:04straight home from your house and he
1:19:05texts you that he's home so that should
1:19:06be here it should be I'm pretty positive
1:19:08that was not a phone call I'm almost
1:19:10positive that was a text sometimes I get
1:19:12him flip-flop or I don't remember but
1:19:14sometimes I know I'm pretty sure that
1:19:15one was the text Saturday during your
1:19:19dinner but what kind of conversation did
1:19:22you guys have oh I so he's been trying
1:19:32to like eat a little healthier than he
1:19:34normally does and he's always like been
1:19:36in the working out since I knew him and
1:19:38he like tries to eat clean but he was
1:19:43trying to like step it up a little bit
1:19:44and nothing like the people who do like
1:19:46the competitions and the shows that are
1:19:48all super restrictive my was nothing
1:19:50like that it's just like day-to-day
1:19:51general maintenance what's how ie and
1:19:53it's pretty healthy and
1:19:55he's been losing a lot of weight he lost
1:19:58I want to say like 13 pounds in the time
1:20:03that we were hanging out and honestly
1:20:05when you start eating a little bit
1:20:07cleaner and you start working out a
1:20:08little bit harder the first couple
1:20:11months especially for a man because they
1:20:13lose weight faster it's not something
1:20:16that's like that drastic to me but it
1:20:19did stand out that it was like a little
1:20:20much and so I was like whoa like maybe
1:20:23you're not eating enough macronutrients
1:20:27so let me look at them so he had been
1:20:29working on his MyFitnessPal
1:20:32I'm like programming like old stuff he
1:20:34eats and I just started going through
1:20:35them and I was like trying to figure out
1:20:37like where his ratios when we actually
1:20:40spent a lot of time doing that cuz he'd
1:20:42asked me to do it for him because I just
1:20:45was at the point where I was like if his
1:20:47weight loss slows down in a few weeks
1:20:49it'll be fine
1:20:51and if it doesn't then his macros are a
1:20:53little off it's not like that big of a
1:20:55deal like in the workout community this
1:20:57is like a very normal thing but I don't
1:20:58need other outside concerns like
1:21:00potential drug use alcohol use any of
1:21:03that stuff that that led you to go ahead
1:21:06he's lost an extreme amount of weight
1:21:08such a short period of time
1:21:09no and I wouldn't call it extreme it was
1:21:11just like it was it was a lot but I mean
1:21:15I when I first started working out I
1:21:16dropped like 12 pounds in two weeks when
1:21:18I first first started like hitting it
1:21:20hard with the diet
1:21:21so the fact that he lost like that much
1:21:24weight it wasn't like I said it was it
1:21:27was not a surprising amount I just
1:21:30didn't want it to be like a sustained
1:21:31amount but no I didn't think anything
1:21:33weird of it just because of like how
1:21:35inner needed I am with the like workout
1:21:39community and I know like this is
1:21:41possible but it just he the thing that
1:21:44concerned me about it I guess and it
1:21:45wasn't even concerned but the thing that
1:21:47like kind of redlighted me like hey this
1:21:49might be Kim carrying on is the fact
1:21:51that his macros were like pretty dialed
1:21:54in like I wrote them and he like didn't
1:21:58stay exactly on them but his calorie
1:22:00intake was about where it needed to be
1:22:02my experience anyways for like
1:22:06what he was trying to achieve and so I
1:22:09don't know he didn't seem to have a
1:22:10problem with it
1:22:11he likes where he was at with all of
1:22:14that so that was your main conversation
1:22:15Saturday that was like a big chunk while
1:22:18we were there is like us actually going
1:22:20through because our side going through
1:22:21each item like why do you have why are
1:22:24your ratios off whereas kids or wife
1:22:26were that night on Saturday
1:22:29yeah his kids oh you know his kids are
1:22:31with the babysitter do you know where
1:22:32his wife is she's in Arizona okay how do
1:22:35you know that cuz he told me okay you
1:22:37know what she's doing there I think
1:22:39she's on a business trip he didn't even
1:22:41tell me right away he actually told me I
1:22:43think like on Saturday or something
1:22:45about a bit like Friday or something I
1:22:48don't I oughta see don't remember I just
1:22:49remember I was like really surprised her
1:22:51he's like hey like I'm gonna try to get
1:22:54a babysitter if you want to hang out or
1:22:56something like that and I was like why
1:22:57do you need a babysitter
1:22:58like your wife's home no she's at Alice
1:23:01oh okay
1:23:03is there much conversation regarding
1:23:04that her on being on a trip or the
1:23:07children on there in those conversations
1:23:09not really I just asked him what time
1:23:11she was coming home on Sunday and he
1:23:13just said really late okay and that was
1:23:16it I mean there's nothing to talk about
1:23:18with that so your conversations mainly
1:23:21health-related you guys returned to your
1:23:25house and then he goes home and then you
1:23:28talked to him for a few hours on Sunday
1:23:32did I are you asking me are you talking
1:23:35you oh I was like I don't even know
1:23:38someday honestly Oh once so wait a
1:23:41minute that was Saturday this is we're
1:23:44talking about Saturday we're not talking
1:23:45about Sunday right okay so you're still
1:23:46on Saturday yes you guys have this
1:23:48conversation right it's on that was the
1:23:50day that he got the babysitter and I
1:23:52went out to dinner not Sunday okay okay
1:23:54sorry I just wanna make sure talk about
1:23:55your days right so Saturday yes we went
1:23:57out he had the babysitter team at home
1:23:58I'm sure we did we always talked on the
1:24:01phone and honestly I mean Mark asked me
1:24:03that the other day he's like how long on
1:24:04the phone 15 minutes 20 minutes like
1:24:06you're gonna have to look at the records
1:24:07to be honest with you like I was so much
1:24:09you like to talk I can tell yeah
1:24:14400 and she was young to crank out about
1:24:17400 words a minute gusts up to 600
1:24:22you're a talker so I'm letting you talk
1:24:25I use the restroom I can show you words
1:24:27that so some water while you're out
1:24:29there with your face thank you another
1:24:31bottle that's at least one let's move to
1:24:35well let me reverse something your
1:24:38conversation with the children or about
1:24:40the children was over you talk about
1:24:43medical concerns with either other
1:24:45children well I know Cece is allergic to
1:24:50peanuts like nuts find that so she
1:24:55hasn't got an allergy yes did they take
1:24:57meds yeah I know that she had like an
1:25:00EpiPen but as far as I know she didn't
1:25:02have any meds but I never asked like I
1:25:04was just told like she has a pretty
1:25:07severe allergy and enough to carry an
1:25:09EpiPen that's pretty severe yeah while
1:25:11we're on this so when he was in North
1:25:13Carolina this was all like hearsay now
1:25:19because it's like this is not a
1:25:20conversation like he's telling me this
1:25:22stuff but who knows exactly what
1:25:24happened but he went out there to go see
1:25:25his family and her family and while he
1:25:28was in town before he went out to North
1:25:31Carolina
1:25:31I guess his mother had accidentally like
1:25:35not exposed her to something with nuts
1:25:38but had like given a product I think it
1:25:43was like ice cream to a different kid
1:25:45that could have traces and nuts or
1:25:47something I don't know but it was like
1:25:49his daughter was fine but she was like
1:25:52in the range of contamination and I
1:25:55think his wife was very upset about that
1:25:59and when he got to North Carolina he
1:26:02told me that he was supposed to spend
1:26:03like half time with them half the time
1:26:05with her family and that was supposed to
1:26:07be what it was I don't know but he said
1:26:10that he went to go see his family and
1:26:12they weren't answering the phone for
1:26:14like a day or two before he went out
1:26:15there and then when he got there there
1:26:17was a note on the door that said son if
1:26:19you step I were at the beach and they
1:26:23ignored him
1:26:24like most of the time that he was out
1:26:26there and his old enemy is his mom his
1:26:30dad my sister what's the significance
1:26:33do you know wonder did you know why yeah
1:26:34he said and again I don't know what is
1:26:37true with this man anymore and what's
1:26:38not but he told me that like leading up
1:26:42to it I was like why are your folks like
1:26:44ignoring you it I was like really
1:26:45concerned about this like every single
1:26:47day he would talk to me when he was out
1:26:48there and I was like you talk to your
1:26:50family today you talk to your family
1:26:51today you talk to your dad what happened
1:26:52did you talk to him no I didn't or yeah
1:26:55I talked to my mom well what'd she say
1:26:56are you gonna hang out with them like I
1:26:57wanted him to see his people because
1:27:00it's important family is an important
1:27:02thing you know it just needs a function
1:27:05properly and sure and so I was like and
1:27:11he was like well they're ignoring me and
1:27:13I was like what do you think happened
1:27:14and I'm not really sure but I think
1:27:17something was said between my wife and
1:27:20them during that incident and he's like
1:27:23because every time you know yes that
1:27:25happened when a 40 got there yes and he
1:27:27was like because every time that I try
1:27:29to I talk about possibly going over
1:27:33there to see if they're home she gets
1:27:37upset about it and I was like okay and
1:27:39he told me that his mom and his wife did
1:27:42not get along at all he said that his
1:27:43mom didn't even show up to his wedding
1:27:45because she's like really did not care
1:27:49for Shannon so again I don't know what's
1:27:53true and what's not but I just know that
1:27:54there was like some tension there and
1:27:56again like that part is like I feel like
1:28:00it's almost third party so that's right
1:28:01exactly
1:28:02well good it came from them to you so
1:28:04it's not it is something that I whether
1:28:07it's important or not we can validate
1:28:09that I'm sure we will be having some
1:28:11conversations with family you know what
1:28:15does it mean I don't know
1:28:17yeah I don't know either but I just
1:28:19knowing maybe she yeah I don't know well
1:28:22and then he ended up seeing them on the
1:28:25last like full day that he was there and
1:28:27they told him supposedly that she had
1:28:31gotten really upset and then screamed
1:28:33and yelled in front of his Christmas
1:28:36sister's kids that are very young and
1:28:38his mom and his dad and said like you're
1:28:41never gonna see Chris again you're never
1:28:42gonna see me you're never gonna see the
1:28:44babies and just like threaten them and
1:28:46then I walked off and I guess that was
1:28:48the incident that happened prior to him
1:28:51coming out there and then she didn't
1:28:52tell him about it
1:28:53she just like let it go and then he just
1:28:57spent all week trying to figure out why
1:28:58his family was like not trying to be
1:29:01involved um so again I'm not sure that
1:29:04was like it just feels really
1:29:05third-party so it's hard for me to like
1:29:07talk about because her I don't know
1:29:09focus now so beyond the knot allergy for
1:29:13Cece did you know of any other does she
1:29:15take meds that you know of other than
1:29:18carrying an EpiPen his kids are his wife
1:29:20I mean his children no and now well if
1:29:24you know anything about his wife's
1:29:25medical conditions is she had him no I'm
1:29:28like read in the newspaper they keep
1:29:29saying oh she had medical conditions and
1:29:31I'm like does that a misprint are they
1:29:33talking about Cece or is that just
1:29:34something else I don't know so you don't
1:29:36know anything about Shannon having any
1:29:38kind of medical problems so there's a
1:29:46phone call Saturday night actually from
1:29:49and I can't be Saturday I had to be
1:29:51Sunday Sunday night is there anything
1:29:56else you think let's let me just back up
1:29:58from that Saturday where you guys had um
1:30:01you know at the lazy dog 2 prior for the
1:30:05six weeks that you guys were serious and
1:30:08although your dad's here and I think
1:30:10you're probably pretty comfortable your
1:30:12relationship with Chris was can you
1:30:15describe your relationship I mean when
1:30:18he was with me I considered it to be
1:30:20fairly healthy was open communication
1:30:22and
1:30:25was what I thought was honest and it was
1:30:29very calm it was respectful we got along
1:30:33really well he gave me my space when I
1:30:35needed it I gave him his and anytime
1:30:38like he wanted to take care of it like
1:30:40anytime that his kids could be in like
1:30:43his life for hours or days or whatever
1:30:46whenever they were home I made sure that
1:30:48I wasn't a presence in his life so that
1:30:51he could be the best dad that he needed
1:30:52to be and I mean I thought what we had
1:30:57it was very comfortable for me I enjoyed
1:31:00it I think he did very much as well you
1:31:03guys you six eight weeks two months
1:31:05whatever it was you guys had an intimate
1:31:07relationship during that time yes okay
1:31:10so you're getting you're pretty serious
1:31:13did he ever tell you that he loves you
1:31:16yes he did did you ever tell him the
1:31:18same a couple times
1:31:20no we're standing that today because
1:31:23that may those thoughts may have changed
1:31:25for you but on let's go one Sunday into
1:31:29Monday or Monday did you did you still
1:31:32love him on those days I think it was
1:31:34something where it was like I said it a
1:31:37few times and I meant it but he
1:31:39definitely felt the urge to say it to me
1:31:42a lot more than I did to him because it
1:31:44was just all there he knew to me and I
1:31:46was like take your time with this like
1:31:48you don't need to to like rush that you
1:31:53know like I remember when he was in
1:31:54North Carolina and he was like trying to
1:31:56patch things up with his wife and he
1:31:57told me he loved me and I was like don't
1:31:59say that to me like please go try to fit
1:32:02and I mean and that might even mean that
1:32:03texture it's like don't don't like don't
1:32:06say those words to me and then go try to
1:32:08make peace with your wife and lay in bed
1:32:10with another woman like just don't do
1:32:12that and I was like it's not that I
1:32:14don't appreciate what you're saying to
1:32:16me it's like just it just didn't sit
1:32:20right for me you know so I just feel
1:32:22like it was like an insecurity where he
1:32:23had to say that to you I don't know I
1:32:26think he like looking back at all this
1:32:30now I don't think he was trying to fix
1:32:32things with her so saying I love you to
1:32:35me
1:32:35like probably something that he
1:32:37genuinely meant like I love this woman
1:32:39and regardless of where he was gonna end
1:32:42up that night but to me and the way that
1:32:45I was perceiving things he had told me
1:32:47that he was trying to fix things with
1:32:49her so it's just like this isn't an
1:32:51appropriate time and I wasn't mad at him
1:32:52and I'm pretty sure that's in the text -
1:32:54it was very like calm but it's just like
1:32:56it's almost disrespectful or it's like
1:32:58please don't I'm like you know if we get
1:33:00to that point where it is you and me
1:33:02like yes you can say that but don't not
1:33:06that like that's so you thought he was
1:33:08very genuine when he said that uh yeah I
1:33:12did I mean and he wrote it in some not
1:33:16all of them look like the leader thank
1:33:21you when you said it to him you said you
1:33:23meant it when you said it yes I just
1:33:25didn't say his fruitfulness he said it
1:33:26like sometimes he would say it and I was
1:33:28just like for me it was still like very
1:33:30very new so I kind of like took my time
1:33:32and only said it when I was just like
1:33:34this is a really important moment so you
1:33:37got I mean in the short period of time
1:33:39that you guys were together he yes it
1:33:41became very attached yes very very cards
1:33:46flowers telling you he loves you he
1:33:48sends you flowers does he buy you any
1:33:50other gifts I wouldn't wanna know many
1:33:52ways since flowers is enough you can't I
1:33:54don't need expensive stuff but he
1:33:57becomes very attached yes you guys are
1:34:00talking multiple times a day
1:34:02at least you're all right I'm you're
1:34:05seeing each other on a regular basis yes
1:34:07so it's a very and his wife is not
1:34:12around Norma as children so there's a
1:34:15lot of time for you guys to build your
1:34:16relationship in this first four four
1:34:19weeks or so he's not fair yeah and even
1:34:22when she was back I mean it was still
1:34:24like we were still spending time
1:34:25together he was still spending time with
1:34:27his children and I had my own life like
1:34:29I mean there was one week where I just
1:34:31like went out of town for my with my
1:34:33friends for my birthday I wasn't even
1:34:34around the whole like last few days of
1:34:38June up until the 3rd of July I was like
1:34:41gone you know and then there was another
1:34:43like a last weekend I had a friend
1:34:46impromptu come in town
1:34:47out of state and I hosted her for a few
1:34:50days and it's like it like I still did
1:34:54my own thing all the time like whether
1:34:57he was there not like if my friends were
1:34:58like hey we want to make plans I would
1:35:00tell him like we're not out today cuz I
1:35:02want to go see my mom or my dad did your
1:35:04friends know about him no why because
1:35:08it's like he's with two women right now
1:35:12they don't need to know about so if you
1:35:14had a boyfriend of 48 weeks on a regular
1:35:18I don't know if you were married prior
1:35:21if you had a boyfriend before but if you
1:35:23had a steady boyfriend you would have
1:35:25let people know I think you told me
1:35:27before we got started that you you just
1:35:30told your dad about Chris no I wasn't
1:35:32told them I wouldn't have told people
1:35:34it's too early I mean people are you
1:35:36don't tell your friends no cuz they
1:35:38people come and go
1:35:39I'm your dating scene these days just
1:35:41like it sucks I mean so no I wouldn't I
1:35:45mean it would have to be something even
1:35:46with Shawn I think I was with Shawn for
1:35:48probably like six or seven months before
1:35:50I brought him home to my family I mean I
1:35:52really is same with those the guy that
1:35:54was in a previous relationship with but
1:35:56I think this one you were a little bit
1:35:58more you said he's with two women did
1:36:01that was that one of your considerations
1:36:03for not telling anybody about yes well I
1:36:05mean it was like okay like this to me it
1:36:09wasn't gonna be an extended thing like
1:36:11if it got to the point where we were
1:36:12like dating for like three or four
1:36:14months and he's still talking about oh
1:36:16I'm gonna move out I'm gonna sell the
1:36:17house I think at that point I probably
1:36:19would have just been like I don't think
1:36:20you're really like doing these things
1:36:22you say you're gonna do and I probably
1:36:25would have just like left because at
1:36:28that point it's not fair it wasn't fair
1:36:30to me in the first place it wasn't fair
1:36:32to her in the first place it wasn't fair
1:36:33to any of us in the first place you know
1:36:36it wasn't fair to his family for him to
1:36:39have an affair it wasn't fair to me to
1:36:43have him lie to me and make me think
1:36:45that everything is going to plan and
1:36:48still to this day I don't even know
1:36:49what's a lie and what's not I don't even
1:36:51know if they were like filing for
1:36:52divorce I don't know if they were
1:36:53putting the house up I don't even know I
1:36:55don't even know anymore what is real and
1:36:59what it's not but what I do know is it's
1:37:00just like
1:37:01you know that wasn't fair to me either
1:37:02because if I had an all-animal not even
1:37:05all the truth but like obviously some of
1:37:07it I wouldn't have even engaged in any
1:37:10of this in the first place and I just I
1:37:12mean and that's the part for me just
1:37:15like on my personal level outside of
1:37:17everything that is happening that is
1:37:21gonna affect me long-term it's like you
1:37:24know I'm gonna wake up every day and
1:37:26know that like this mom and her unborn
1:37:29child and these two little girls are not
1:37:31around anymore and it breaks my heart it
1:37:34is so in a me and then I have to think
1:37:39about like the consequences of his
1:37:42actions and how they affect everybody
1:37:44else like all of these her families
1:37:47impacted my name is about to be like
1:37:49slandered for probably a while I don't
1:37:52know how long it's gonna take to heal
1:37:54but I would not be surprised if it's
1:37:56gonna be hard to go out in public
1:37:57sometimes for a couple of years and that
1:37:58really hurts me I'm just like this is a
1:38:00horrible horrible thing like how dare
1:38:03you you know and people aren't gonna
1:38:05understand that you know they're gonna
1:38:07say oh you know you're the woman that
1:38:10had an affair with this man who took out
1:38:12his whole family and I take a step back
1:38:15and it's just like I didn't know like I
1:38:20uh it's he's so disgusting I'm so
1:38:27ashamed of him and everything and I just
1:38:42talked a little bit earlier about
1:38:43getting some help for the really just
1:38:52thought one more can please wanna make
1:38:54sure there's resolution and pounded down
1:39:01yeah I'm sorry that you're talking again
1:39:04today I really am I don't want to put
1:39:06you through any more trauma than you
1:39:08already
1:39:08true there is reasons for everything
1:39:14that we're doing today and they occurred
1:39:17and I'm sorry I genuinely am sorry I it
1:39:20these are not things that we like to do
1:39:22twice it's the same thing with other
1:39:24types of victims from other crimes we
1:39:25want to do it once and we want to be
1:39:26done unfortunately we didn't know
1:39:28yesterday what we know today and that's
1:39:31why we're here because we need this
1:39:33video and I am sorry because I know it's
1:39:35hard to talk about it sad and she's
1:39:39pregnant why why why why why
1:39:53how I don't even understand how you
1:39:55could like bring yourself to do that
1:39:57somebody who's like
1:40:20[Applause]
1:40:23oh do you want to step out for a minute
1:40:31no I just needed my nice clothes like I
1:40:38still cannot believe this is happening
1:40:47let's keep going cuz we're just kidding
1:40:49they like the meat of those holes let's
1:40:51get to the phone call on Saturday from
1:40:549:00 to 11:00 what did you guys first
1:40:57pardon me on Sunday from 9:00 to 11:00
1:40:59yeah we talked a few times so Sunday I
1:41:05think so I need to think I can't even
1:41:07think take a couple breaths and take it
1:41:09take a second I don't even know I don't
1:41:17think I was like concerned about
1:41:19anything at that point you guys had a
1:41:21meal before you knew his wife was
1:41:24probably coming home late daddy oh um
1:41:27you know what I I still don't remember
1:41:30what we talked about I like honestly
1:41:32like we talked about so much random
1:41:34stuff like it's so hard to pinpoint some
1:41:36of these things um I don't remember we
1:41:40talked about I do remember that was a
1:41:41long long conversation that we probably
1:41:43talked about all sorts of stuff uh one
1:41:45thing I do remember though but I didn't
1:41:48remember earlier when I was talking to
1:41:50mark so this is like where I'm starting
1:41:52to remember like little bits and pieces
1:41:53I I don't remember yeah I know the sort
1:41:56of phone conversation I don't know it
1:41:58was in the phone conversation uh
1:42:00probably nothing of relevance to be
1:42:01honest with you but usually he talks to
1:42:06me when he's like down in the basement
1:42:07in his bed before he goes bad and before
1:42:09I go to bed and I could hear the TV on
1:42:13which I thought was kind of weird I
1:42:14didn't ask him I just heard it in the
1:42:16background and I remember thinking and
1:42:18it was like right before we got off the
1:42:19phone I was like why the hell is he up
1:42:21and there's like no TV downstairs so I
1:42:24was like well maybe I don't know TV in
1:42:26the basement where he usually calls you
1:42:27from yeah and I don't know how many TVs
1:42:29they have like I've never been in their
1:42:30bedroom like I went upstairs once and it
1:42:33was like to their little playroom and I
1:42:35just like looked at it and I was like
1:42:36that's super cute that your girls have
1:42:38books and that was like it and other
1:42:40than that I have never been in any of
1:42:42those rooms and that upstairs like to me
1:42:44it was just like you don't know like
1:42:47ever
1:42:47I had no so I don't know if any as any
1:42:49other TVs I'm assuming by like how much
1:42:51other nice stuff they have in their
1:42:53house it wouldn't surprise me so I'm not
1:42:54quite sure what room he
1:42:56in at that point um but I just remember
1:43:00hearing the TV and I was like it was
1:43:03just weird to me cuz I was like why are
1:43:05you watching TV right now it's like
1:43:07super late and that was the only thing
1:43:10he had phoned you or were you guys
1:43:14aren't talking when the TV was going on
1:43:16I just remember like I like picked up on
1:43:20it like later but I don't think it was
1:43:23like throughout the whole conversation
1:43:25like I just remember being towards the
1:43:27end cuz I remember thinking like wow
1:43:29it's really late
1:43:30the somebody did not sure about the
1:43:33house because you've been there twice
1:43:34yeah just do you remember how you guys
1:43:38access the house that's a good question
1:43:42so once through the garage and I think
1:43:50once through the front door I think the
1:43:52first time I was through the front door
1:43:53I think and I think the second time was
1:43:57through the garage is there anything
1:43:58unique about either of the doors when
1:44:00you went into the house I think unique
1:44:07door
1:44:08no they weren't on their door which door
1:44:12it's on the front door isn't it I don't
1:44:15know I think so uh I don't know um what
1:44:20did he use a key to access the house no
1:44:24um he did not the first time I went over
1:44:28there he just let me in and then the
1:44:33second time do we go through the garage
1:44:35I don't remember I've been through his
1:44:37garage before I went through his front
1:44:39door once though cuz they've already
1:44:40just cleaned it was the first time I
1:44:42went through his front door cuz he had
1:44:43just cleaned his carpets and he had
1:44:46moved all the furniture out of the way
1:44:47and the furniture was kind of in the way
1:44:49of the door and he's like the door
1:44:51doesn't open all the way right now I'll
1:44:52move all the furniture back from the
1:44:54carpet dries so do remember that just
1:44:56kind of offhandedly and the second time
1:44:59I want to say we went through his garage
1:45:01cuz I remember his garage I remember
1:45:04yeah yeah so he was at the house when
1:45:09you
1:45:09there you were never there but he was at
1:45:13Brittany took you there he the first
1:45:15time he was already there and I met up
1:45:18with him and the second time we went
1:45:19there together so the front door I asked
1:45:23if he had used a key he let me in ok so
1:45:27there's a you know those key pads right
1:45:31access code do you remember seeing that
1:45:33on this door Oh like I want to say
1:45:35vaguely but to be honest with you I
1:45:36don't remember like he let me in that
1:45:38day that's you know he never gave you
1:45:41the code to access his home no not at
1:45:44all you talked about the security system
1:45:47there was a camera on the fridge where
1:45:49was that just like a you know how to
1:45:52bring doorbell is that goes to your
1:45:54phone I don't even know what it looked
1:45:57like I only know that it existed either
1:45:59because a I wasn't paying attention the
1:46:00first time I was over there but B
1:46:02because of all the stuff that's going on
1:46:03right now that's the only reason I know
1:46:05it's never seen any cameras anywhere in
1:46:07the house did he ever tell you about the
1:46:11alarm system or give you an access code
1:46:13I wouldn't have asked for that I
1:46:15wouldn't wanted that anyways sorry to
1:46:17regress to that no phone call
1:46:22were you noticed a television in the
1:46:25background yep so I didn't know what
1:46:27room he was in but I was just like I
1:46:29just I was weird cuz he's always like
1:46:31before I go to bed night lay down he's
1:46:34always like kind of trying to do the
1:46:35same thing we just talk it's like a
1:46:37really chill thing till one was about to
1:46:39pass out and that's like the end of it
1:46:41um but it was strange cuz I was like the
1:46:43TV's on air or I was thinking I was like
1:46:44maybe he's waiting up for her
1:46:46and I was like maybe not I didn't know I
1:46:50didn't it wasn't something that like
1:46:52alerted me it was just different from
1:46:54his standard operating procedure because
1:46:57eat whether his wife is home or she's
1:46:59gone
1:47:00he's always got kind of like the
1:47:02standard up when he calls me so that's
1:47:05why it was kind of like unique because
1:47:09it doesn't really fluctuate when she's
1:47:11there and when she's not there he's
1:47:12pretty like free reign with what he does
1:47:15so anything anything important that you
1:47:18recall during that conversation
1:47:21the children about his wife about what
1:47:22he was doing the next day what he had
1:47:26planned anything like that I don't tell
1:47:28you that information I remember he told
1:47:30me he had to go to the field and not to
1:47:32the office on Monday morning okay
1:47:35did he specifically say where he needed
1:47:36to go on Monday more no I don't ask him
1:47:38for those sites there's like Anna
1:47:40Darko's got like thousands of sites if
1:47:42he were to tell me I would incur just
1:47:44like random numbers and stuff right well
1:47:46he told me he said I got to go to a site
1:47:48I got to go check out like a valve or
1:47:51something where they think that they had
1:47:53a release something like that in the
1:47:55town or anywhere no no he just told me
1:47:59that that's what he had to go do he's
1:48:01like yeah it was like I won't see you in
1:48:03the office in the morning cuz I usually
1:48:05I see him but I don't actually like talk
1:48:07to him like I'll go in the cafeteria I
1:48:09will put my lunch in the fridge and him
1:48:11and his whole team are sitting in there
1:48:13and I'll talk to any of them I just walk
1:48:14out um but anyways yeah he's like so I
1:48:18won't see I'm going to the field which
1:48:19is not an uncommon thing for the Ops
1:48:22guys to like just go straight to the
1:48:24field like it happens like typically
1:48:26they go to the office I would say like
1:48:29three or four days a week but there are
1:48:31days where him and his other team
1:48:34members are not there or like I'll get
1:48:35in there and some days the cafeterias
1:48:38packed and they're all there another
1:48:39day's begin and then there's only like
1:48:41three or four so it didn't cause you any
1:48:42concern that he's know I'm going to the
1:48:44field on Monday I'm going to see you
1:48:45that wasn't know it's happened before
1:48:48yeah I mean it wasn't something I mean
1:48:49and it's not just him it's like that
1:48:51whole team like you can just tell when
1:48:53they've got like a lot going on because
1:48:54I'll walk in and they'll be like - as
1:48:56opposed to like 6 or 7 do you know what
1:48:58he did Sunday during the day um I don't
1:49:03even know what I did on Sunday during
1:49:05the day I am so tired let me just think
1:49:08about this Daniel came over Friday I
1:49:10hung out with him Saturday and then
1:49:12Sunday when did Jim come in Monday
1:49:21Jim got here Monday what did i do on
1:49:25Sunday I am like drawing a blank
1:49:28I'm really tired I don't know can I get
1:49:31back to you on that did you guys have
1:49:33any conversations on Saturday night here
1:49:35in your meal what he might be doing on
1:49:37Sunday I'm sure we did I don't know why
1:49:41I'm drawing a blank cuz I haven't slept
1:49:43if I say that is you may have done
1:49:47something with his children oh yes I
1:49:50went to a birthday party do you know
1:49:52whose house he was going to nope but I
1:49:54know that they had a water balloon fight
1:49:57okay
1:49:59he had one or his children his children
1:50:01did he he said he used to get really
1:50:02annoyed he said yeah like really
1:50:03interacted with his kids he's like some
1:50:05of the adults don't really spend a lot
1:50:06of time playing with the kids but I like
1:50:07to do Museum on what day Saturday or
1:50:09Sunday okay that's right so now this
1:50:12one's like was I hanging out with you
1:50:13god ah some herbal event huh we me and
1:50:18him and my my stepmother and my sister
1:50:21into the museum and that's right
1:50:25the Denver Museum of Nature and Science
1:50:27and they went to brunch prior to that
1:50:29and I skipped brunch and I went to the
1:50:33gym you shouldn't have it was good I had
1:50:35to do Corday's also I worked out
1:50:37actually um that's always fun that came
1:50:40yeah so Corday and then we went to the
1:50:42museum and then when did you did he tell
1:50:50you about the water balloon flight on
1:50:52Sunday evening during your conversation
1:50:54on the phone I think so okay so you
1:50:57don't know whose house he went to on
1:50:59Sunday but you knew it was for a child's
1:51:02birthday yeah and he had told me about
1:51:04that in advance really so I don't know
1:51:06if it was Saturday that he had told me
1:51:07that he's gonna go that birthday or like
1:51:09Friday I just remember he was like I
1:51:11gotta go this birthday card okay
1:51:14any other conversation that makes sense
1:51:17I mean honestly at this point I'm really
1:51:20tired so I know there are certain things
1:51:22and I need to tell you guys that we'll
1:51:23get to is these days progress but in all
1:51:28honesty if it doesn't stand out to me
1:51:30now but it probably wasn't relevant
1:51:32and what about that nine o'clock thing
1:51:34you were telling me on Monday
1:51:36oh he told me oh yeah well we'll get
1:51:40there we'll get there we're sons so
1:51:41we're on Sunday we're gonna we're gonna
1:51:45get there to Monday we're getting there
1:51:47so Sunday night or Sunday during the day
1:51:50you had your own personal stuff going on
1:51:54with your family you never see him on
1:51:57Sunday is that it accurate no I don't
1:52:00see why don't I do the rest that day I
1:52:01came home I think I'm gonna just chilled
1:52:05at my house I don't remember I think I
1:52:08clean my house I don't know I didn't see
1:52:10him though yes Saturday was last time I
1:52:13saw him okay
1:52:15Sunday you're at home you talk to him
1:52:19from we know we have a conversation and
1:52:21they late evening hours and then you go
1:52:23to sleep when's the next time you talk
1:52:28with Chris time no I mean so we used to
1:52:34like randomly text each other like
1:52:36throughout the day but we both get
1:52:38really busy so some days like I don't
1:52:40hear a lot from him and some days I
1:52:41don't text him until like two o'clock in
1:52:43the afternoon because I'm just like busy
1:52:46and I I didn't hear a lot from him that
1:52:49day which was like that's not out of the
1:52:52normal for either one of us during the
1:52:54day but at one point if you remember he
1:52:57like texted me and he's like oh it's
1:52:59been a really busy day and then like
1:53:01said some other stuff which I'm sure you
1:53:02will find in my text what he said I
1:53:04don't know
1:53:05it wasn't obviously anything that was
1:53:06like alerting to me
1:53:09that's what I'm saying like at this
1:53:10point like I remember really key things
1:53:12but if it's like a conversation that I'm
1:53:13like I don't remember exactly what was
1:53:15discussed because it was probably just
1:53:17[ __ ] like just there's a talking to
1:53:19each other yeah yeah but I remember II
1:53:24was busy that day and we didn't talk
1:53:26that much and then I I clocked out at
1:53:303:00 is what my timecard says that's
1:53:32what I was showing Marc the other day
1:53:35and I got home to go meet my buddy one
1:53:41of my good friends was come
1:53:42my house and he actually has a key to my
1:53:45house so he was actually there when I
1:53:47got there and my friend Jim and so Jim
1:53:53came over and I got home he was there he
1:53:58had like just walked in the door and um
1:54:01I remember like briefly after he got
1:54:05there I checked my texts I mean briefly
1:54:08laughter I met up with Jim I like
1:54:09glanced at my text and Chris said
1:54:12something about like my family's not
1:54:16home or like my wife and kids aren't
1:54:19home like something to that effect and I
1:54:22told mark cuz he asked me for a time and
1:54:26I don't have an exact time but I
1:54:27remember I was like right after I walked
1:54:29that was in the text message yeah it's
1:54:31in a text and it's like it was like
1:54:33briefly after I walked in the door so
1:54:35based off how long it takes me to get
1:54:36home from working when I clocked out it
1:54:38was probably about 3:45 p.m. um text me
1:54:41and tells me that and like he knows when
1:54:43I get off of work too so he doesn't
1:54:45always bug me if I'm busy so I don't
1:54:48know what's up with that but that's when
1:54:50he that's when he sends that to me and
1:54:52so you're saying that he he would have
1:54:55known that you would have had your phone
1:54:56available to you end up in at work when
1:54:58he sent you that text
1:54:59yes that's what I'm trying to say so
1:55:01looking back at it you think it was
1:55:04purposefully sign at that time sure I'm
1:55:07just asking your feeling on that yes and
1:55:10then he said call me when you can there
1:55:12was no other communication between you
1:55:14and him that morning on Monday morning
1:55:16well then there was but it was like
1:55:18random like but nothing about this event
1:55:21no no no no no about like my mom my
1:55:23wife's missing or no my anything nothing
1:55:27okay nothing and you knew he wasn't
1:55:30coming to the office cuz he had told you
1:55:31that Sunday night yeah and then he goes
1:55:33and so like they're only in the office
1:55:35for the morning like some days it's
1:55:37longer than others but I would say by a
1:55:39maximum of 7:30 every single morning
1:55:41they are all gone and they don't come
1:55:42back unless they have like a meeting or
1:55:44something that they have to attend so
1:55:46like not seeing him for the rest of the
1:55:47day is not like an unknowable thing like
1:55:50but like I'm saying like we don't really
1:55:51the only reason we interact was kind of
1:55:53like by an off chance thing like I don't
1:55:55work
1:55:57so he you know we talk like randomly
1:56:02throughout the day but it was really
1:56:02sporadic and he seemed pretty busy so we
1:56:05didn't talk too much like I said didn't
1:56:07put too much thought into it it happens
1:56:08all the time
1:56:09waited till about 3:45 then sent that
1:56:11text to me and yes he does know that I
1:56:14will be home at that point or getting
1:56:17home why you give mark Jim's information
1:56:20no I would really like not like to
1:56:23involve him in this he does not know
1:56:24about this he didn't he was not like he
1:56:28doesn't know any of this is occurring
1:56:30okay like I was he knows certainly yeah
1:56:36he's like out of town he's probably has
1:56:39no idea
1:56:39he doesn't know who Chris is like he's
1:56:41not I do not know he's just a friend of
1:56:43yours yes he does not really trying to
1:56:47your apartment and doesn't know anything
1:56:50about Christmas you know anything no
1:56:52nothing
1:56:53absolutely no Jim / yeah no he's like
1:57:01one of my very good friends like my dad
1:57:02knows him he's a great guy he just he he
1:57:06works out of state a lot so when he's in
1:57:07town
1:57:09we hang out but when he's in town he's
1:57:11off at work to save time so I give him a
1:57:14key to my house one cuz I trust him he's
1:57:16one of my best friends and too because
1:57:19uh sometimes people just me me there
1:57:21because I'll be like hey I'm getting off
1:57:23work and then if I get stuck in traffic
1:57:25or something ends up like sitting
1:57:26outside of my apartment waiting get off
1:57:28of work so I'm like here's the key and
1:57:30like my dog loves them and stuff so no
1:57:32he's not if y'all done that yes I don't
1:57:34know I've done this and I'm not really
1:57:37concerned about your location I think we
1:57:41already have your cell phone records at
1:57:43some point did Mark ask you to supply
1:57:47did they ask for you consent to get cell
1:57:50phone records that will probably be done
1:57:51by warrant if what you just did what I'm
1:57:55talking about is your movement oh by GPS
1:57:58or by cell phone tower to show where you
1:58:02were obviously and I don't want to cause
1:58:06you concern we want to know where you
1:58:08were
1:58:08day two you're dating a man who did some
1:58:10egregious stuff and we want to we want
1:58:13to show that you were never near him
1:58:14that day period I mean you just contract
1:58:17mine no I mean that that was something
1:58:20we will have to get it more for anyways
1:58:21that I'm the same if we asked for it
1:58:25yeah ejections to that you can have it
1:58:28so I'm a pretty boring person well no
1:58:32sounds like you just went to work that
1:58:33day and then you came home and you're
1:58:35there at 3:45 yeah like give or take
1:58:37like five minutes but yeah so 3:45 I
1:58:40mean Jim there yeah so Jim is a
1:58:43understand from an investigative point
1:58:46he could be a person who could say yeah
1:58:47I was there at 3:45 I don't he doesn't
1:58:49know Chris he doesn't know anything he
1:58:51could say with one phone call
1:58:52yeah she came in at 3:45 done totally do
1:58:55you know what I'm saying and I don't
1:58:56have to ask anything more than hi Chris
1:58:58my name's wrapped up in this if at some
1:59:06point I needed Jim's info to let's say
1:59:09we couldn't find your phone records
1:59:10which you can have them I will give them
1:59:12to you would you tell me who Jim was
1:59:13amazing you had to I don't really want
1:59:15to involve him and it's not fair to him
1:59:17that's not no if I do not have to do
1:59:20that that's fine yes anyways Chris was
1:59:24like call me and this is a 345 text yeah
1:59:28he sent me like a few there I think
1:59:30there was three of them and I don't
1:59:31remember what the other one said was
1:59:32something about like yeah my family's
1:59:33gone or I don't remember verbatim but
1:59:36call me when you can or have call me
1:59:37when you have a chance something to that
1:59:39effect and so when he told me call me I
1:59:42was like kind of alerted where I was
1:59:45like okay what's going on you know but
1:59:49first when he told me like his family
1:59:50was like not home that didn't really
1:59:54seem odd to me that his family wasn't
1:59:56home it was really vague I'm like okay
1:59:58like are they at the grocery store like
2:00:01elaborate and so you know and then but
2:00:04he says call me like it's like an
2:00:06emergency but then just says but they're
2:00:09not there and so I'm like really like
2:00:11floored by that oh um I like Florida but
2:00:13just kind of like he says call me so I'm
2:00:15concerned and then he's really big so
2:00:17I'm like maybe he just wants to talk to
2:00:20me I don't know I think it took me
2:00:22a little while to like really process
2:00:24the severity of the situation just
2:00:25because this is not something that you
2:00:28expect to see every day and the way that
2:00:29he talked to me made me believe that
2:00:31this is not what was going on at all
2:00:35okay so you make a phone call to him and
2:00:37you guys have a conversation I did I
2:00:39stepped outside 3:45 ish
2:00:43I mean well like I think I actually
2:00:44interacted with Jim for like probably a
2:00:47good 15 or 20 minutes I mean he's my
2:00:48guest he's in my house so I don't think
2:00:51I called him right away but like I mean
2:00:54I'm trying to balance the fact that I my
2:00:55friend here and then Chris is saying
2:00:57that something needs to be addressed but
2:01:00to me it didn't sound like an emergency
2:01:01I mean it's all the time like people are
2:01:04home right now you know so it just it
2:01:09wasn't like oh my god I have to take
2:01:10this call no no I mean it just it was
2:01:14the way she said it and I was like okay
2:01:16so I um I remember hanging out with Jim
2:01:19for a while and then I stepped outside
2:01:21and I made a call like out on my back
2:01:23patio and I called him a Janee into the
2:01:27phone have any texted me back oh no did
2:01:32he answer the phone I don't remember I
2:01:33think he missed my call and then he
2:01:35called me back or he just answered
2:01:38either way it was a very short talk to
2:01:40him where he was just like I have to go
2:01:43the cops are here and I don't remember
2:01:45if you said that on the phone or over
2:01:48text I don't even I'm so tired
2:01:50that's fine you don't get either way
2:01:51like it's the cops on third yeah I mean
2:01:54you guys will figure it out the cops the
2:01:56cops are here and I'm just like alright
2:01:58and then I remember we were like in a
2:02:03like we were texting but I was like
2:02:05hanging out with my company so it wasn't
2:02:07like a non-stop text it was just kind of
2:02:09like I would check my phone every once
2:02:10in a while and we would communicate with
2:02:12each other and he was just saying like
2:02:14they weren't there and that her friend
2:02:17Nikki was there and not her friend Nikki
2:02:19I had called the cops and I'm like why
2:02:25would this girl call the cops
2:02:27yeah like I honestly do not remember the
2:02:31order of operations on all of this but
2:02:33I'm pretty sure the majority of
2:02:36our conversation that night until my
2:02:38friend Jim left that house which was
2:02:40probably pretty late I don't even know
2:02:41what time like 9 or 10 was all via text
2:02:44so you should have this via text like I
2:02:47don't think we started talking again on
2:02:49the phone until like after my company
2:02:52left um and he was like I don't know he
2:03:01just started like giving me details
2:03:03about stuff and I don't remember what
2:03:04order but he was saying like Nikki was
2:03:06really upset and that the cops were
2:03:08there and that they were like searching
2:03:10the house and I was just like what you
2:03:12know like what why and he was telling me
2:03:15that they had like how to disagreement
2:03:19or something like that and then he told
2:03:23me like she was gonna go to a friend's
2:03:25house and I was like okay well maybe she
2:03:29left you know maybe she just like went
2:03:32to her friend's and then I think he I
2:03:34don't remember but I think he was the
2:03:36one that told me that her cellphone and
2:03:38her purse were still there I think he
2:03:40told me that he told you her cell phone
2:03:42and purse were still there I think he
2:03:43did I don't remember I was a
2:03:45significance of that in your mind at
2:03:47that time
2:03:49at that point I thought this woman was
2:03:53really trying to get out of this house
2:03:55that's what I thought because he said
2:03:57that they'd had a disagreement and I was
2:03:59just like okay well I mean I leave my
2:04:01cell phone at home
2:04:02he says disagreement what did he tell
2:04:04you where it was about or not at that
2:04:06point not at that point so um again like
2:04:09you guys are gonna have to check these
2:04:11texts cuz it's all like okay - potato
2:04:14right now um but I remember him saying
2:04:18that and I'm just thinking like well
2:04:19maybe she was in a rush you know like
2:04:22maybe she was just like I'm going to my
2:04:23friends I'm leaving my cell phone here
2:04:25because I don't want you calling me I
2:04:26don't want anyone else calling me I mean
2:04:27there are days where I like when I'm
2:04:29outside of work I will just shut my
2:04:31phone off I just do it and it's like my
2:04:33way of getting peace so to me that I
2:04:36mean like it was weird that she it
2:04:38wasn't even that weird to me no she left
2:04:40her phone just because I leave my phone
2:04:42but it was weird to me that she left her
2:04:43purse but knowing the fact that that
2:04:46girl was like always on her phone then
2:04:49yeah I
2:04:49is kind of she lived on her phone is my
2:04:53understanding of her and a phone so I
2:04:56don't know if you knew that I did until
2:04:59prior to the media stuff or just from
2:05:01Chris and in so did that
2:05:04so the Deathstrike he was on but I just
2:05:08thought she needed to like get away from
2:05:09the situation I mean I bet didn't seem
2:05:12that awkward to me that a couple that is
2:05:14going through separation would be like
2:05:18were I need to leave I just need some
2:05:22space like it didn't even like process
2:05:24it was like okay like give her some
2:05:26space you know and um on that note - um
2:05:30when he was in we're gonna jump back for
2:05:32just a sec so if I had a thought so on
2:05:34he was coming back from North Carolina
2:05:37that was when he officially told me
2:05:38we're gonna get a divorce we're gonna
2:05:39put the house up for sale like he told
2:05:41me they were separating and they were
2:05:43like gonna put the house up for sale but
2:05:45they hadn't done yet and then when he
2:05:47got back from North Carolina that was
2:05:48when he was like and the reason that is
2:05:52of significance is because at some point
2:05:54over the weekend I don't remember when
2:05:56he told me that they were putting the
2:05:57house up I don't know if it was they
2:05:59were putting it up on Monday like the
2:06:02day they went missing or if it was that
2:06:04they were calling the realtor to verify
2:06:07some stuff so they could put it up that
2:06:08week like I don't I don't quite remember
2:06:10I just remember like the house was
2:06:12supposed to be like on the market like
2:06:14that week did you name a ruler yeah you
2:06:17did and I don't remember her name was a
2:06:19female okay and I don't remember her
2:06:21name like at all I was trying to think
2:06:23of that for you guys not too long to
2:06:24that company you got to come to me no he
2:06:27never gave me that he like gave me her
2:06:28name and he it was the same thing twice
2:06:29to give to me once reason North Carolina
2:06:31and then once the other time because I
2:06:33remember ask and I was like who's that
2:06:34cuz he was like he's like I'm gonna have
2:06:37to have her call so and so today and
2:06:40make sure everything's still good to go
2:06:41who say it's like the realer it's like
2:06:43Oh or not today but I could ever come on
2:06:47your mind just yeah I doubt it that was
2:06:49such a I will try I don't want to
2:06:51memorize it's not that critical that
2:06:55person may come forward to us anyways
2:06:58perhaps so don't worry about it let's go
2:07:01back to the phone calls on Monday
2:07:03afternoon yeah so um so he's like
2:07:08texting me a lot of this information and
2:07:09I'm starting to kind of freak out and
2:07:11it's not like I'm freaked out like oh
2:07:12she got murdered I mean that is not what
2:07:16I thought it's like okay like the way I
2:07:18looked at this like apparently his wife
2:07:21had been gone since me a was when she
2:07:23got like reported missing I didn't know
2:07:26that like he's the way I looked at this
2:07:29it was I got home from work just now I
2:07:31mean he didn't say that but I
2:07:33interpreted I just got home from work
2:07:36and my family is not here so when we're
2:07:42texting for like a few hours like the
2:07:45cop thing was kind of weird but he's
2:07:46like Nikki insisted they call the cops
2:07:48Nikki insisted they call the cops and
2:07:49I'm like okay you know and I'm just
2:07:52trying to figure out what like what role
2:07:54does this woman play in this situation
2:07:56like is she you know who she was no I
2:07:58don't know any of his people um like
2:08:02this has been pretty like tight rap for
2:08:04a while which is probably a really good
2:08:05thing but anyways um I didn't know like
2:08:11who she was and so like I started asking
2:08:16him I was like well where do you think
2:08:17your wife is that and he's like he's
2:08:19like I think she'll be back tonight like
2:08:22I think she's like out with somebody and
2:08:24he was telling me that they had had a
2:08:26disagreement so I was like well I
2:08:28remember it's telling him I was like you
2:08:34should make sure that you have a wait a
2:08:41minute no no so all that happened and
2:08:45then it starts getting kind of laid out
2:08:47and I remember we talked for text for a
2:08:53while and part of this conversation and
2:08:54then it moved to the phone and I
2:08:58remember telling him cuz he was like I
2:08:59think she'll just be back tomorrow I
2:09:01think she's just gonna be gone for the
2:09:03night like with a friend you know
2:09:04and I named the friend no he didn't and
2:09:08like I will and because I I don't think
2:09:11he made it
2:09:12like he didn't know like what friends
2:09:13how she would be at and I remember
2:09:15talking to him and I was like well maybe
2:09:18it's that Nikki girl and he's like well
2:09:20Nikki called the cops
2:09:21so why would she be at Nikki's house I'm
2:09:23like I don't know kind of throws her off
2:09:24the trailer where she's at you know and
2:09:26it's like it sounds kind of weird but
2:09:28it's like I even really made this sound
2:09:30like this woman was just like upset left
2:09:33the house and that was probably what he
2:09:35thought happened to her and so I I
2:09:38didn't really put to much like did he
2:09:40tell you the kids were missing as well
2:09:41yes I mean which made sense to me cuz I
2:09:44was like well if you were at work all
2:09:45day I mean he didn't tell me he got home
2:09:47early
2:09:48he didn't say that to me so I mean it
2:09:50made sense like if she's gonna leave
2:09:53they should probably go with her and and
2:09:57so I don't know I wish I feel like I
2:10:00wish I should have like processed all of
2:10:02this earlier but I just don't feel like
2:10:04when one of my friends is gone I'm like
2:10:07oh my god god I'm like oh my god
2:10:09God I'm like oh my god God I'm like oh
2:10:11my god God I'm like oh my god God I'm
2:10:14like oh my god God I'm like oh my god
2:10:16god I'm like oh my god God I'm like oh
2:10:19my god God I'm like oh my god God I'm
2:10:21like oh my god
2:10:22God I'm like oh my god God I'm like oh
2:10:25my god

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