Brandon's Philosophy on Plot—Promises, Progress, and Payoffs — Transcript
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- 0:01[Music]
- 0:08i'm going to talk
- 0:09this plotting session about brandon's
- 0:12philosophy on plot
- 0:13when we do plot number two i'll try to
- 0:17give you some other tools we'll talk a
- 0:19little more about the
- 0:20hero's journey we'll talk about three
- 0:22act structure we'll do all that stuff
- 0:23in the second plot lecture so first up
- 0:26you're just getting brandon's take on it
- 0:29we'll do this with
- 0:31setting in character two you'll probably
- 0:33first get a lecture on brandon's take on
- 0:34things
- 0:35and then a lecture on if that doesn't
- 0:37work for you which
- 0:39for a lot of you it probably won't but
- 0:40hopefully it'll teach you some things
- 0:42that you can apply
- 0:43we'll move on to other things so
- 0:44brandon's plotting method
- 0:46um is about
- 0:50i actually found a way that this all is
- 0:53uh
- 0:53is alliterative it is about promises
- 0:58it is about progress and it is about
- 1:02payoff
- 1:05i like to try to view stories
- 1:09as a sequence of promises
- 1:12progress along that promise and payoff
- 1:15of which
- 1:16progress is actually the most important
- 1:18of the three for the bulk of the amount
- 1:20of writing you do
- 1:21but promise is where things go wrong the
- 1:24most often
- 1:25so i'll talk you through a few times
- 1:27where i made improper promises
- 1:29caught it because of good beta readers
- 1:32tweaked the story and it ended up
- 1:33working
- 1:34um so when plot is going wrong
- 1:37i think it is usually at least for me
- 1:40not understanding these three things
- 1:43people go into a story um
- 1:46giving you a certain benefit of the
- 1:48doubt
- 1:49if they weren't giving it to you they
- 1:50would not be opening your story they
- 1:52wouldn't
- 1:53pick that book up and read it some of
- 1:55them might be hot tougher
- 1:56audiences and tougher cells than others
- 1:58but every one of them has
- 1:59opened that book and started reading
- 2:02they are
- 2:03offering you something they're extending
- 2:04their hand to you in return
- 2:07what they are wanting you to do is
- 2:09quickly give them some promises
- 2:12about what type of story this is
- 2:15and why it's going to be enjoyable
- 2:18all right those promises take several
- 2:21forms
- 2:23um and they work in different ways one
- 2:25of the promises you're going to give
- 2:27them
- 2:27is a tone promise
- 2:32another promise is generally going to be
- 2:34a genre prominent promise
- 2:36and usually your packaging of your story
- 2:40has already made this promise but
- 2:43it's important to recognize genre is one
- 2:46of these things you are promising them
- 2:48you're going to give them a promise
- 2:50about
- 2:51the plot specifically the type of
- 2:54progress that's going to come in this
- 2:56story uh this
- 2:58is the promise of this what is going to
- 3:00make you turn the page
- 3:01and you're usually going to be making
- 3:02some promises about character
- 3:07did i spell that right i didn't
- 3:09character
- 3:10it's spelled right now you can't tell me
- 3:12it's not
- 3:13it's in my own language um
- 3:21you guys actually have adam who can like
- 3:22zoom up on this so you can actually see
- 3:23my terrible handwriting
- 3:25whereas in the normal class they just
- 3:26have to sit back and be like does that
- 3:28act
- 3:28did he i can't make yeah you get to see
- 3:32it in like glorious hd
- 3:33um 4k 4k 4k
- 3:36scribbles on a whiteboard uh
- 3:40yeah all right so promises
- 3:45these promises um can indeed be
- 3:48undermined
- 3:49in some ways almost every plot twist in
- 3:52a way
- 3:53is a slight change or twist
- 3:56on one of your promises and we'll talk
- 3:58about that later on when we get the
- 4:00payoffs
- 4:00right and a lot of your promises that
- 4:03you'll be making is
- 4:04that i am going to give you this
- 4:06expected thing but it's going to be
- 4:08better than you expect
- 4:09um tone let's talk about this one first
- 4:14tone promise usually is telling people
- 4:16when they
- 4:17pick up the book what type of feel
- 4:20the book is going to have this kind of
- 4:23gets into
- 4:24is it going to be whimsical is it going
- 4:26to be humorous
- 4:27is it going to be dark and gritty is
- 4:28this going to be adventuresome
- 4:31you can do different subgenres of every
- 4:35genre
- 4:35dealing with those tones you can write a
- 4:37romance that
- 4:39is adventuresome or that is whimsical or
- 4:42that is comedic
- 4:43um you can write a fantasy even in a
- 4:46specific sub-drama you can write an epic
- 4:48fantasy
- 4:48that is dark and gritty you can write an
- 4:51epic fantasy
- 4:52that is hopeful but uh you know points
- 4:54of light in darkness
- 4:56where there are certain it's going to be
- 4:58a rough world but there are points of
- 4:59light
- 4:59you can write one that is going to be
- 5:01fun and whimsical
- 5:03you can write one that is going to be a
- 5:05comedy all of these things
- 5:07are important promises at the start of
- 5:09your story
- 5:10i don't fixate as much as a lot of
- 5:13writing teachers i've seen
- 5:15on your first line nearly as much
- 5:18writers tend to fixate
- 5:19on it too much in my opinion
- 5:22what you want to have in that opener is
- 5:25a
- 5:26indic an indication of what kind of
- 5:29story it is your opening paragraph
- 5:33should offer some sort of motion i
- 5:36recommend this for every type of story
- 5:38because every story should be promising
- 5:40motion
- 5:40there should be some sort of conflict
- 5:43promise of change or some sort of motion
- 5:46um even if you are writing um you know a
- 5:50story that is mostly going to be
- 5:52pastoral
- 5:53um i often use pride and prejudice right
- 5:56um the opening line of pride and
- 5:57prejudice is in conflict with itself
- 5:59because it's irony i can't quote it
- 6:01exactly but it's like
- 6:03what is it every man
- 6:08yes there you are that a man in
- 6:10possession of a fortune
- 6:13right so opening line to
- 6:17a book in the 1800s that is a much
- 6:19slower book than modern ones
- 6:21already says this is a promise of the
- 6:24tone
- 6:24it's going to be kind of funny right
- 6:27this
- 6:27is also something is going to change
- 6:30there is a
- 6:32guy in this book who has a fortune but
- 6:34does not have a wife
- 6:35and he wants one we have motion and
- 6:38change
- 6:38promised in the tone of this you
- 6:41generally have to be a little faster
- 6:44even than um books in the 1800s
- 6:48the more that writing has become a um a
- 6:51popular
- 6:52mode of storytelling the more that you
- 6:54want this
- 6:55opening page to make sure that it has
- 6:59motion and change and if you
- 7:02can at all an active protagonist who
- 7:04wants something and tr
- 7:06is trying to get it you don't have to do
- 7:09any of those things that's the recipe
- 7:11but the reason the chef reason for this
- 7:13is
- 7:14we in our lives have so many things
- 7:17trying to grab our attention does not
- 7:19mean that your book
- 7:20has to have add um and
- 7:24uh you know work like a vine or
- 7:27what the tick tock where it's 15 seconds
- 7:29long and you grab someone's attention
- 7:30that fast but what it does have to do is
- 7:32promise
- 7:33motion promise conflict promise
- 7:36change um one of the things i often use
- 7:39is a great example of someone who knew
- 7:40what they were doing and this is robert
- 7:42jordan's wheel of time
- 7:43robert jordan's wheel of time is a book
- 7:45series um that is about the
- 7:47end of the world in a fantasy world the
- 7:50fantasy apocalypse
- 7:53he wanted to start his book with a young
- 7:55boy on a farm
- 7:57uh in a kind of hero's journey sense in
- 7:59a pastoral location he's going to be
- 8:01forced out
- 8:02onto his hero's journey he knew that
- 8:04that would give some of the wrong
- 8:06promises to some of the readers
- 8:08because by chapter 2 like
- 8:11everything is going crazy already in
- 8:13that book
- 8:14um and so this is why you often see in
- 8:18fantasy books a prologue like robert
- 8:20jordan's that takes place during the
- 8:22previous apocalypse of the world ending
- 8:25showing how
- 8:26awful everything was um kind of making
- 8:29all of these cool magical promises of
- 8:30stuff you're gonna get to see
- 8:32it's very short it's one of the best
- 8:34prologues in all of fantasy
- 8:36um and it says to you as a reader here
- 8:39is our tone
- 8:40promise now we're going to go to the
- 8:42character promise
- 8:43of the young boy on a farm and by
- 8:45melding these two you're going to
- 8:47realize
- 8:47this boy's young pastoral perfect life
- 8:51is going to be upended because of an
- 8:53apocalypse that's coming
- 8:54just give me time to get there and you
- 8:58know as a young reader i was on board i
- 9:00understood i'm like all right this is
- 9:01where we're going
- 9:02i can now give him the time to set up
- 9:05this character
- 9:07properly um because i have had this
- 9:10promise up front
- 9:11it's why you see prologues a lot in
- 9:13fantasy novels
- 9:14um definitely can become a cliche unto
- 9:17itself and indeed it can be a recipe
- 9:19thing
- 9:19where you're like well fantasy books at
- 9:21burlogs i'll add a prologue not every
- 9:23book needs one
- 9:24not a lot of books can start with the
- 9:26right tone promise
- 9:28this doesn't mean that you need to
- 9:31introduce your plot
- 9:34the actual plot of the book straight off
- 9:37um what you often want to do is
- 9:40introduce some smaller conflict
- 9:43that then introduces some of the same
- 9:46ideas
- 9:47that are going to be part of your plot
- 9:49and again this is a
- 9:50something that uses a prologue which you
- 9:52don't need to do but a great example is
- 9:54uh indiana jones on the radius the lost
- 9:56ark
- 9:56right lucas and spielberg love the cold
- 9:59open
- 10:00the cold open where you join someone in
- 10:02the middle of their previous adventure
- 10:04which they are just wrapping up which is
- 10:06going to be a small microcosm
- 10:08for the big adventure you i've it's been
- 10:12you know everyone knows this now but in
- 10:14case you don't you know you meet indy
- 10:16he's this mysterious character
- 10:17he's cool he's got a whip who has a whip
- 10:21um he's investigating a um a temple
- 10:24he's smart he outsmarts all of the traps
- 10:27he gets betrayed but outsmarts his
- 10:29betrayer and there's this this
- 10:32wonderful moment where indy knows that
- 10:36this guy is untrustworthy and so he
- 10:38leads him wrong through one of the traps
- 10:40uh where indy it's a pressure plate he
- 10:42steps on but he puts his hand through
- 10:44the uh
- 10:45through the light to indicate oh the
- 10:47light sets off the trap
- 10:48the guy dies to that trap after
- 10:50betraying india a little bit later
- 10:52because it was actually the pressure
- 10:53plate india is really smart
- 10:55and at the end of this thing indiana
- 10:57jones loses anyway
- 10:58right tries really hard still loses um
- 11:02this is a small sort of plot promise
- 11:04it's also a tone promise and a genre
- 11:06promise but the plot promise on this is
- 11:08you're going to see a bigger version of
- 11:09this you're going to see indiana jones
- 11:11struggle
- 11:11you're going to see that he's really
- 11:13competent and he still
- 11:15gets the crud beat out of him uh he
- 11:18still has to deal with snakes
- 11:19he still has people betraying him um and
- 11:23he just as a guy who has a lot of grit
- 11:25and can push through that
- 11:26and at the end you're probably going to
- 11:28get some sort of bittersweet ending
- 11:31guess what that is the entire movie
- 11:34right
- 11:35they did a very small version of the
- 11:37exact movie
- 11:38um that's again why uh
- 11:43indiana jones is used as a really good
- 11:45example of a tightly paced
- 11:47um hollywood formula movie um
- 11:50you want to do something like this it
- 11:53does not need to be on the scale you
- 11:56don't have to have like a mini adventure
- 11:57that explains the whole adventure that's
- 11:59going to be happening
- 12:00but having a character who is struggling
- 12:04with a problem
- 12:05that is going to become a major issue
- 12:07once the plot insight intersects them
- 12:09is a great way to say look you're going
- 12:12to see this character grow and struggle
- 12:14with this problem
- 12:15and it's probably going to become an
- 12:16even bigger problem as the story
- 12:18progresses
- 12:19make promises of the type of story
- 12:24and you know what kinds of characters
- 12:27you're going to look forward to reading
- 12:28about
- 12:30doing this is a really important skill
- 12:33for storytelling
- 12:36if you don't learn to do this granted a
- 12:39lot of people do this by instinct it's
- 12:40not like
- 12:41you have to use my formula for it but if
- 12:43you don't learn to make promises
- 12:44and show progress on those promises your
- 12:46books are going to be boring
- 12:49and it's really interesting because
- 12:51boredom
- 12:52is this weird construct right it
- 12:55usually is the the readers like it's not
- 12:58moving fast enough or i don't know
- 13:00what's happening or i'm just not engaged
- 13:03not every time but a lot of times the
- 13:05problem is
- 13:06that you have made wrong promises or
- 13:09that you're not showing progress on
- 13:10those promises
- 13:12if you up front promise people something
- 13:14but then
- 13:15your progress is all on a different axis
- 13:18what's going to happen
- 13:19is in their heads they're going to treat
- 13:21the actual
- 13:22progress of the book as a side deviation
- 13:26from the thing they're expecting so what
- 13:28happens is they stop investing
- 13:30in this this thing because their brain
- 13:32tells them this is a side story
- 13:34this is a side mission this is not
- 13:36important to the main plot
- 13:38this is a bunch of characters going to
- 13:39canto bite and getting their car
- 13:42towed um little did i get the last jedi
- 13:45there sorry
- 13:46um your brain says not important this is
- 13:49not the main plot of the story
- 13:51um and i can't see how this is
- 13:54progressing
- 13:55and how it relates conversely you might
- 13:58say this is their main plot
- 14:00but you don't signpost that progress is
- 14:02being made
- 14:03you as a storyteller your job is to give
- 14:07a
- 14:07sense of progress why a sense of
- 14:10progress because
- 14:11all progress and stories is illusionary
- 14:14um
- 14:15you can do anything progress wise in a
- 14:19story if you want to say
- 14:21you are writing an underdog sports story
- 14:24and you want to say all right and then
- 14:27they won the championship
- 14:29that's the next chapter of your book
- 14:31you're done you've given them progress
- 14:33it's happened you've solved the story
- 14:36right
- 14:36uh and then she got over her hang-ups
- 14:39and realized that he really wasn't that
- 14:41bad a guy he's just really
- 14:42kind of bad at making introductions
- 14:44himself to new people and they got along
- 14:46swimmingly
- 14:47got married the end right there's one
- 14:50sentence resolution
- 14:51to um to a plot you can also if you
- 14:55really wanted to
- 14:56don't do this but you could write 50
- 14:59pages
- 14:59where only one second passes i guarantee
- 15:02that every one of you could do that
- 15:04uh you could describe in my new detail
- 15:07in a frozen moment
- 15:08everything happening in this frozen
- 15:10moment and go on and on and on
- 15:12and you can fill your whole book with
- 15:13that right you have absolute control
- 15:16over how fast your book moves and how or
- 15:19how slowly the book moves
- 15:21your reader needs a sense that goals
- 15:25exist for the characters that goals
- 15:28exist for the story
- 15:30and that progress is being made
- 15:33toward those and the different type
- 15:36of sub-genre and genre you are doing in
- 15:39your story
- 15:40is going to tell you what those
- 15:41signposts should be
- 15:43right um this is where it gets a little
- 15:47complicated
- 15:48because every story is doing multiples
- 15:51of these
- 15:52right um again if we use uh star wars
- 15:56uh because a lot of people have seen it
- 15:58and it is a really tight screenplay
- 16:01you have kind of an opening promise
- 16:04right uh from the from a new hope the
- 16:07opening promise is
- 16:09little ship big ship bad guy in black
- 16:12armor
- 16:13good character in white clothing who is
- 16:16who has
- 16:16uh friendly little droids right uh what
- 16:20is your tone promise
- 16:21science fiction about the little ship
- 16:23against the big ship
- 16:25uh first image in the movie tells you
- 16:27what the story is about
- 16:29um and so that's your first promise
- 16:31little ship
- 16:33versus big ship right
- 16:36well then nested i'm drawing brackets
- 16:38here is your next
- 16:40set of promises which are the kind of
- 16:43actual plot promise which is where
- 16:46princess leia says
- 16:48take these plans to obi-wan kenobi he
- 16:51can save us
- 16:52so you've got a plot that is kind of a
- 16:54bit of a travelogue
- 16:57a character has to go to a place and
- 16:59find a person
- 17:00travel plot right um
- 17:04go to a place find a person so you're
- 17:05nesting these big plot is
- 17:08we're going to uh little ship's going to
- 17:09beat the big ship
- 17:11uh sm smaller plot is
- 17:14find this person go to this place travel
- 17:16to this place
- 17:18then it cuts to luke and you have your
- 17:21character promise
- 17:23right and in your character promise luke
- 17:26skywalker
- 17:26is doesn't want to go do whatever he's
- 17:29supposed to do
- 17:30and instead he walks out and looks up at
- 17:32the double suns
- 17:33and is like man i want to go out there
- 17:36and have an adventure
- 17:37this guy wants an adventure
- 17:42right um and
- 17:46so what happens is lucas starts working
- 17:49on these various stories as he goes and
- 17:52he will open up
- 17:54small little promises and pay off in the
- 17:56middle
- 17:57like you find obi-wan kenobi but the
- 17:59travel plot gets expanded
- 18:00this is a very common sort of twist you
- 18:03put in your stories is where you expand
- 18:05a previous plot into a larger plot the
- 18:07travel plot
- 18:08changes from find ob1 to
- 18:11we need to go off planet and go uh
- 18:15find this princess and bring these plans
- 18:17to rebellion right the travel plot gets
- 18:19bigger and the character adventure
- 18:23gets bigger doesn't it he meets obi-wan
- 18:26and obi-wan says
- 18:27you must learn the ways of the force and
- 18:29train to be a jedi
- 18:31guess what your adventure's going to be
- 18:32you wanted to have one here is what it's
- 18:34actually going to be you are now
- 18:37expanding to not just going on adventure
- 18:39you're going to become a jedi
- 18:41right and this is all very well
- 18:45signposted
- 18:46as part of the big plot little versus
- 18:48big
- 18:49why are we going to go on our travelogue
- 18:51because this will help us destroy the
- 18:53big ship
- 18:54in fact we will find the biggest ship
- 18:57ever
- 18:58we will expand our plot to holy cow it's
- 19:01a big old death star
- 19:02right it's not just a big ship it's the
- 19:04biggest ship that's ever been built
- 19:06and we got to blow that up with a little
- 19:08ship um
- 19:10travel plot says if we can get to this
- 19:12place
- 19:13we can blow up the biggest ship by using
- 19:15little ships
- 19:16the character thing why do you need to
- 19:18become a jedi because darth vader killed
- 19:20your dad and he's on the big ship
- 19:22right um everything is related back and
- 19:25so as
- 19:26lucas is signposting each of these
- 19:28things you are
- 19:30told reasons why you should care and it
- 19:32is
- 19:33indicated to you we are making progress
- 19:37right and then you kind of out starts
- 19:40outlining the steps this is very common
- 19:42in a travel log
- 19:43we need to go to mos idly spaceport to
- 19:45find a pilot
- 19:47when we have done that we have achieved
- 19:49a step
- 19:50in our journey right and almost all the
- 19:52journeys uh the steps and
- 19:54uh star wars are journey steps it's
- 19:56mostly uh character
- 19:58um that is a hero's journey
- 20:02with an actual literal journey that is a
- 20:04travelogue that's the type of plot
- 20:06progress you're getting most of the time
- 20:08and so we go there we find a pilot
- 20:11uh and indeed this pilot is
- 20:14a big old meanie right
- 20:18han is mean
- 20:22and scruffy-looking right he's a
- 20:24scruffy-looking nerf herder
- 20:26um or whatever um and you open up a new
- 20:30character plot
- 20:32han is mean we wish han weren't mean
- 20:35because he's also cool
- 20:37maybe we can have a little character
- 20:39journey for han
- 20:40where han is no longer uh you know
- 20:43han is no longer mean i mean you have
- 20:45little bits in this
- 20:46where you uh where you open up a new one
- 20:49that is all right
- 20:50to get these plans we actually actually
- 20:52got sucked into the death star
- 20:55right oh no we're stuck to the death
- 20:57star we were trying to get to the right
- 20:59place
- 20:59the right place isn't there anymore
- 21:01instead there's a death star and we now
- 21:03have the expansion of even bigger ship
- 21:05right and then we
- 21:08start closing the brackets right all
- 21:11right
- 21:13we close the death star plot uh not the
- 21:16death star they
- 21:17get off the death star right uh we
- 21:19closed that one out by us escaping
- 21:21but it costs us obi-wan kenobi that's
- 21:25bad
- 21:25that's an escalation now we have to do
- 21:28these other three thing
- 21:29four things with no obi-wan kenobi
- 21:33suddenly you have another twist and it's
- 21:36expansion
- 21:37of the danger um and the scope
- 21:40by taking away the strongest member uh
- 21:42and the support of the team
- 21:44right um you then actually
- 21:47close the travel plot
- 21:51by getting where you're supposed to be
- 21:53so they close a little bit out of order
- 21:55this does happen
- 21:56but you close the travel plot and then
- 21:59you close the character plot
- 22:04right you close the character plot by
- 22:07having the moment
- 22:08where luke is going to trust the force
- 22:10right um
- 22:11where luke has learned and this these
- 22:13these next ones happen almost in
- 22:15exact quick succession in fact i think
- 22:17you close the han plot first don't you
- 22:19uh han comes back and he's not a meanie
- 22:21anymore right and he saves you
- 22:23um then you close the jedi plot guess
- 22:27what luke's turning off his targeting
- 22:28computer he's become a jedi not really
- 22:32but enough for this book
- 22:33or this movie and then what happens last
- 22:36right we have han these two i think i
- 22:38got backwards
- 22:39um then you what happens a little ship
- 22:44blows up a really big ship right
- 22:47um and an exact reversal of the opening
- 22:51shot
- 22:52the little ship blows up the big ship um
- 22:55the
- 22:56important thing to remember about these
- 22:58is
- 22:59this sense of progress let me ask you
- 23:02guys
- 23:02do you get a sense that luke is learning
- 23:05the ways of the force through the course
- 23:06of the story
- 23:08yes he fights a little ball that shoots
- 23:11him he learns about stuff
- 23:13han is mean about it is han mean yes but
- 23:17does han stop being quite so mean
- 23:19you see progress for han along this
- 23:22thing
- 23:23well maybe we can save a princess maybe
- 23:25i like that princess
- 23:26maybe i like this guy maybe this is
- 23:28actually worth fighting for something
- 23:30rather than looking out only for myself
- 23:32you see progress you've been promised it
- 23:35and you signpost it um do you see
- 23:38that they are making progress in their
- 23:40travel yes
- 23:42we've got to go here and do this thing
- 23:44now we've got to go here
- 23:45we went there and it's gone and we had a
- 23:47little venture on the death star
- 23:49next travel is escape the death star
- 23:51then we got to get to the rebels
- 23:52we do that pretty quickly travel plot
- 23:54has been signposted all along
- 23:56and this is kind of your structure for
- 23:59the first star wars movie which is why
- 24:02we hold it up as such a great example
- 24:04because
- 24:05the great thing is that i love is that
- 24:08these three close
- 24:11almost simultaneously and so what's
- 24:14happening is
- 24:15two character plot things we'll talk
- 24:17about this more in character
- 24:19both han and luke's character climaxes
- 24:21overlap
- 24:22in a matter of a few minutes and then it
- 24:25is the
- 24:25those two things closing learning the
- 24:28force and han coming back
- 24:30that allow them to destroy the death
- 24:32star right
- 24:33they can the little ship can destroy the
- 24:34big ship because we
- 24:36trust in the force and we're good
- 24:38friends right
- 24:39you we joke about this but the death
- 24:41star was destroyed by the power of
- 24:43friendship
- 24:44without the power of friendship no death
- 24:47star getting destroyed because luke dies
- 24:49um and so the character
- 24:53moments happen in service of achieving
- 24:57your main goal
- 24:59this all ties up in a really great bow
- 25:01everyone gets a metal but chewy
- 25:03um and uh movie ends r2d2 is happy
- 25:08um and so what can we
- 25:11learn from this it's this progress thing
- 25:14that is so important that people get
- 25:17wrong
- 25:18a lot of times we're gonna erase this
- 25:20but uh
- 25:21so take a screenshot uh if you wanna
- 25:23have this for some reason
- 25:25um right
- 25:29identifying the type of progress
- 25:32that you are going to be writing into
- 25:34your story and then making the proper pr
- 25:37uh promises and then signposting that as
- 25:40you go
- 25:42is the way to go about this in kind of
- 25:44the brandon method
- 25:46wow 6 23 already so i got like i got is
- 25:49650
- 25:50yeah we got a little time um so
- 25:54what i try to do when i'm building my uh
- 25:57my books
- 25:58um is i don't build a traditional
- 26:00outline
- 26:01that is like heading one subheading b
- 26:04these sorts of things
- 26:05i ask myself what kind of things do i
- 26:08want to have happen at the end of my
- 26:09book
- 26:10i outline backward what are my payoffs
- 26:12that i want to earn
- 26:14when i write a story where a character
- 26:17is going to use the magic in a really
- 26:18interesting and cool way at the end of
- 26:20the story
- 26:21um i imagined that scene and say all
- 26:23right i gotta earn that scene
- 26:25what do i got to do during that scene
- 26:27well first the character has to practice
- 26:30right we have an apprentice plot
- 26:34and we have to explain the magic
- 26:40and usually we have some sort of mystery
- 26:45right a lot of my books that you'll read
- 26:47i love mysteries about the magic system
- 26:49because
- 26:49it's just a thing that i love um so the
- 26:51characters will be trying to figure out
- 26:53how the magic works
- 26:55while they're training in it and while
- 26:56it's getting explained to the reader
- 26:59and i will then say all right what sort
- 27:02of
- 27:02progress can i show along these things
- 27:05and i like to try to identify the types
- 27:07of
- 27:08progress for certain sub-elements of a
- 27:10story for instance
- 27:11if you've got a mystery in your story
- 27:13you need them to discover clues
- 27:14information is usually your progress in
- 27:17a mystery
- 27:18you give information some of it's red
- 27:21herrings
- 27:22um some of it is actual information
- 27:25uh some of it's partial information but
- 27:28you can identify all right
- 27:29the progress on that is going to be
- 27:32getting information
- 27:33but with the character getting better at
- 27:35a skill
- 27:36a lot of times in movies it's a montage
- 27:39or something like that for but in a book
- 27:41basically you're going to say all right
- 27:42here are my kind of
- 27:44signposts of showing that they're
- 27:47getting better
- 27:48right um in star wars it's let's make
- 27:51sure we show a scene
- 27:52where luke has the blast shield down and
- 27:55is trying to sense what he's supposed to
- 27:57do
- 27:57to imitate being in the cockpit later on
- 28:00with helmet on
- 28:01and let's show that right now he can
- 28:04actually kind of do it but not really
- 28:06well
- 28:06and so you have this nice scene where
- 28:08he's got a lightsaber um
- 28:10and things like that what's another
- 28:12thing you need you need obi-wan kenobi
- 28:14to speak in his head because he's going
- 28:15to give him the last piece of advice at
- 28:17the end right
- 28:17you've already imagined this ending and
- 28:19so you're like all right we need a scene
- 28:21where obi-wan kenobi says through the
- 28:23force go
- 28:24do this luke and we do that right after
- 28:26ben dies right
- 28:27um and so we have this you know escape
- 28:31get away luke
- 28:32follow obi-wan's directions um
- 28:35and things like that you have these
- 28:37scenes if you're writing a book about
- 28:40this
- 28:40you devise these scenes and show
- 28:43progress
- 28:43of the characters uh skill with the
- 28:46magic
- 28:46through the course of the story or
- 28:48whatever it is they're learning so that
- 28:50at the end
- 28:50the reader has been able to watch these
- 28:52signposts it is
- 28:54really fun to watch a character get
- 28:57better at something
- 28:58lots of reasons for this one reason is
- 29:01you get to show them be bad with it and
- 29:02that's funny
- 29:04when luke gets shot by the little thing
- 29:06that's funny
- 29:07right uh when a character is trying to
- 29:10use the magic and flops on their face
- 29:11when neo jumps off the building
- 29:13and can't leap and falls down that's
- 29:16fun these sorts of moments are really
- 29:19they bond you to the character
- 29:21you like watching them and it's also
- 29:23each one of them is a promise that later
- 29:24on
- 29:25i'm gonna get able to see that character
- 29:27kick some butt
- 29:28and i'm gonna enjoy it because i feel
- 29:30vicariously
- 29:31like i had to suffer like they suffered
- 29:33through not being good at it
- 29:35so later on when they use the skill in a
- 29:37really interesting and cool way you
- 29:40feel like they've earned it you feel
- 29:42like you have earned that scene
- 29:44by reading all the scenes of them going
- 29:46doing it poorly those hopefully weren't
- 29:48painful because the author wrote them
- 29:50the way that they're fun
- 29:51but that whole thing that i like
- 29:53watching numbers count up on a
- 29:54spreadsheet
- 29:55that principle works for
- 29:58almost everyone we love seeing steps and
- 30:02progress
- 30:02and if you are good at signposting this
- 30:05people will not find your book boring
- 30:08the best writers i know can write a
- 30:10story um
- 30:11about like uh lee modesit has a scene
- 30:14where a character makes a barrel
- 30:16he's a he's a barrel right whatever
- 30:19that's actually called
- 30:20um what's that maybe yeah
- 30:24and he makes a barrel and it's like a
- 30:26whole chapter and it's fascinating
- 30:28because he's really good at this stuff
- 30:29he signposts what needs to be happened
- 30:31watching someone who's really skilled at
- 30:33somewhat something someone
- 30:34who's really skilled at something do it
- 30:37is fun for us to watch
- 30:39and we get to see the barrel get made
- 30:41it's the same reason that we enjoy
- 30:43baking shops right watching people
- 30:46do something if it is properly
- 30:50promised to us is really exciting
- 30:53um and there's this principle in
- 30:54storytelling that a lot of you are going
- 30:56to disagree with i disagree with on
- 30:58moral principle but the the principle of
- 31:01storytelling is that
- 31:03readers enjoy stories if they know
- 31:04what's going to happen
- 31:06this has been studied numerous times
- 31:09in studies granted it's a little bit i
- 31:12mean how do you study this they usually
- 31:14say
- 31:14on a scale of 10 how much did you enjoy
- 31:16this experience and stuff like that
- 31:18but uh the data seems pretty conclusive
- 31:21that people having movies and shows
- 31:23spoiled for them
- 31:25increases their enjoyment of that i hate
- 31:28that
- 31:28right as my morally opposed to it but
- 31:31it actually has a really good
- 31:33fundamental principle that
- 31:35um that is baked into all of us i don't
- 31:38know if you guys have read
- 31:39um uh which one is it it's one of the
- 31:42malcolm gladwell books the one that
- 31:43talks about
- 31:44um about blue's clues which one is that
- 31:48outliers i think it's outliers might not
- 31:50be um
- 31:51but regardless what they the blues clues
- 31:54made an interesting
- 31:55uh revolution in children's programming
- 31:58by realizing that kids enjoyed blues
- 32:01crews more
- 32:02if they'd seen the same episode a couple
- 32:04of times and they were the first one to
- 32:06try airing the same episode
- 32:07five days a week and what they found is
- 32:10that kids
- 32:11preschoolers who watched this got really
- 32:13excited because
- 32:14preschools are used to not knowing
- 32:15anything is going to happen in stories
- 32:17it's all new to them and but they could
- 32:20realize
- 32:20oh the i know what's in the mailbox
- 32:24it's the it's the shoe i saw this
- 32:26yesterday
- 32:27and they love being able to say it's the
- 32:29shoe i
- 32:30anticipated the story beat that's really
- 32:33exciting to me
- 32:34readers love this across the board this
- 32:37is why the promises are so important
- 32:40readers love being able to say read the
- 32:42book and be like wow
- 32:43i bet luke is going to get good at the
- 32:45force oh wow he's really good at the
- 32:48force now
- 32:49that's fun figuring out what your
- 32:52your progress is and we can't go into it
- 32:55maybe next
- 32:56plotting episode i'll try to go into it
- 32:57a little bit more but
- 32:59all different subplot cycles all have
- 33:01kind of different
- 33:02progresses relationship plops are a good
- 33:05example
- 33:06if you want an in-depth look at a lot of
- 33:08these my podcast running excuses did a
- 33:10whole season it's like season 11 i think
- 33:12maybe 12
- 33:13on what we call the elemental genres um
- 33:15and this is where we just look at the
- 33:16progress for each type of
- 33:18kind of sub genre of a relationship plot
- 33:22is uh is very commonly you can take the
- 33:25same things and apply them to different
- 33:27genres
- 33:28uh like i always like to point out that
- 33:30like a buddy cop movie and a romance
- 33:32generally use the same story beats right
- 33:35uh if you strip away and look at the
- 33:38core
- 33:39skeleton they have very similar story
- 33:41beats um
- 33:42ender's game and hoosiers and
- 33:45uh the way of kings all have the same
- 33:47story structure this is science fiction
- 33:49this is a basketball um uh story
- 33:52and an epic fantasy they're all the
- 33:54under dog sports story they're all
- 33:56played very differently
- 33:57um but you can find the same beats and
- 33:59pitch perfect
- 34:00that you find in ender's game um this is
- 34:03understanding the difference between
- 34:05like this progress the type of progress
- 34:08genre you're doing
- 34:09and the trappings of your genre and i
- 34:11should have mentioned when i was talking
- 34:12about your promises of genre
- 34:13genre can have both trappings and plots
- 34:16and you like progress associated with
- 34:18them right like
- 34:20uh oh people point out that star wars is
- 34:22kind of a space western
- 34:23it's using a western story structure
- 34:27but it's trappings or science fiction
- 34:28with a little fantasy mixed in
- 34:30so don't mistake your trappings for your
- 34:32plot that those are
- 34:34very easy to separate apart
- 34:37and part of being a chef i would
- 34:39challenge you is going in
- 34:40to your favorite pieces of media the
- 34:42books you've read the movies you love
- 34:44and start ask yourself what are the
- 34:46differences between the trappings
- 34:48and the actual plot skeleton and the
- 34:50sense of progress that we're getting
- 34:52a lot of thrillers are creating a sense
- 34:54of urgency through someone chasing them
- 34:56but at their core they're either a
- 34:58travelogue or a mystery right
- 35:00some of them are what we call heists um
- 35:03that happens a lot too
- 35:04but you just start to learn this stuff
- 35:07get yourself a book
- 35:08and start to break down what different
- 35:11types of plots you are seeing
- 35:12in the things that you love and ask
- 35:14yourself why do they work
- 35:16what do i love about them what's the
- 35:17progress that they're making and why is
- 35:19it keeping me engaged
- 35:21good progress is the thing that keeps
- 35:23you turning the page
- 35:25one of my favorites examples of this
- 35:28it's a
- 35:29lesser-known book uh called inferno by
- 35:31larry niven and jerry pornell
- 35:33mostly known for their other science
- 35:34fiction work this is a story about a
- 35:36science fiction author who gets drunk at
- 35:37a party falls out a window
- 35:39and wakes up in dante's inferno turns
- 35:41out that's the afterlife
- 35:43um and it is mostly uh because
- 35:46um larry and jerry uh grew up in an era
- 35:50where the the uh the science fiction
- 35:52short
- 35:53in uh in magazines was a much bigger
- 35:56influence on the genre that is now
- 35:58a lot of stories from back then feel
- 36:00very episodic this is one of them
- 36:02it feels like they go to a place in the
- 36:04inferno
- 36:05and have an adventure with some dead
- 36:06historical figure and then move on
- 36:09to another one right it's just vignette
- 36:11after vignette
- 36:12um of what if you know you went on a
- 36:14wacky adventure in as fidel
- 36:16and billy the kid was there right um
- 36:20that's basically the premise and i was
- 36:21reading this book and i was just
- 36:23eager to turn the page and i thought
- 36:25this is really the definition
- 36:27of an episodic thing why am i eager to
- 36:30turn the page
- 36:31and it was actually really simple they
- 36:33drew the inferno
- 36:34as a giant circle with a mysterious dot
- 36:37at the center
- 36:38and they dropped him at the perimeter
- 36:40and each adventure took him closer to
- 36:42the center
- 36:43and i realized that that natural
- 36:45momentum of me following his progress
- 36:47along the travel log
- 36:48even though each episode was episodic it
- 36:51took him one step closer to the center
- 36:53and the big cool mystery that was going
- 36:55to be there
- 36:56that was the way out of dante's inferno
- 36:59um and i just was
- 37:02you know i was hooked it's a very short
- 37:04book that works to its advantage also in
- 37:06this
- 37:06um i that map in that case
- 37:10was the thing to give me the sense of
- 37:11progress i needed and they carefully
- 37:12signposted
- 37:13where we were along this map as we went
- 37:16and that's all i needed for that story
- 37:18i could see their progress i knew i was
- 37:20making progress
- 37:21you have an advantage in books
- 37:22storytelling that they know the reader
- 37:24knows how many pages it is and you're
- 37:26using those pages up and giving them a
- 37:28natural momentum
- 37:29if you can make good on that by just
- 37:31making sure
- 37:32if you have a mystery plot you are
- 37:34giving information clues
- 37:36and signpost famous progress if you have
- 37:38a relationship
- 37:39you are showing the progress as he is
- 37:41getting made on that relationship
- 37:43even if there's a step backwards now and
- 37:45then things are happening that reader
- 37:47can say
- 37:47they're getting closer even if they
- 37:49don't realize it these things
- 37:51are gonna what's gonna make your book
- 37:53interesting to read
- 37:54page by page
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