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Brandon's Philosophy on Plot—Promises, Progress, and Payoffs — Transcript

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  1. 0:01[Music]
  2. 0:08i'm going to talk
  3. 0:09this plotting session about brandon's
  4. 0:12philosophy on plot
  5. 0:13when we do plot number two i'll try to
  6. 0:17give you some other tools we'll talk a
  7. 0:19little more about the
  8. 0:20hero's journey we'll talk about three
  9. 0:22act structure we'll do all that stuff
  10. 0:23in the second plot lecture so first up
  11. 0:26you're just getting brandon's take on it
  12. 0:29we'll do this with
  13. 0:31setting in character two you'll probably
  14. 0:33first get a lecture on brandon's take on
  15. 0:34things
  16. 0:35and then a lecture on if that doesn't
  17. 0:37work for you which
  18. 0:39for a lot of you it probably won't but
  19. 0:40hopefully it'll teach you some things
  20. 0:42that you can apply
  21. 0:43we'll move on to other things so
  22. 0:44brandon's plotting method
  23. 0:46um is about
  24. 0:50i actually found a way that this all is
  25. 0:53uh
  26. 0:53is alliterative it is about promises
  27. 0:58it is about progress and it is about
  28. 1:02payoff
  29. 1:05i like to try to view stories
  30. 1:09as a sequence of promises
  31. 1:12progress along that promise and payoff
  32. 1:15of which
  33. 1:16progress is actually the most important
  34. 1:18of the three for the bulk of the amount
  35. 1:20of writing you do
  36. 1:21but promise is where things go wrong the
  37. 1:24most often
  38. 1:25so i'll talk you through a few times
  39. 1:27where i made improper promises
  40. 1:29caught it because of good beta readers
  41. 1:32tweaked the story and it ended up
  42. 1:33working
  43. 1:34um so when plot is going wrong
  44. 1:37i think it is usually at least for me
  45. 1:40not understanding these three things
  46. 1:43people go into a story um
  47. 1:46giving you a certain benefit of the
  48. 1:48doubt
  49. 1:49if they weren't giving it to you they
  50. 1:50would not be opening your story they
  51. 1:52wouldn't
  52. 1:53pick that book up and read it some of
  53. 1:55them might be hot tougher
  54. 1:56audiences and tougher cells than others
  55. 1:58but every one of them has
  56. 1:59opened that book and started reading
  57. 2:02they are
  58. 2:03offering you something they're extending
  59. 2:04their hand to you in return
  60. 2:07what they are wanting you to do is
  61. 2:09quickly give them some promises
  62. 2:12about what type of story this is
  63. 2:15and why it's going to be enjoyable
  64. 2:18all right those promises take several
  65. 2:21forms
  66. 2:23um and they work in different ways one
  67. 2:25of the promises you're going to give
  68. 2:27them
  69. 2:27is a tone promise
  70. 2:32another promise is generally going to be
  71. 2:34a genre prominent promise
  72. 2:36and usually your packaging of your story
  73. 2:40has already made this promise but
  74. 2:43it's important to recognize genre is one
  75. 2:46of these things you are promising them
  76. 2:48you're going to give them a promise
  77. 2:50about
  78. 2:51the plot specifically the type of
  79. 2:54progress that's going to come in this
  80. 2:56story uh this
  81. 2:58is the promise of this what is going to
  82. 3:00make you turn the page
  83. 3:01and you're usually going to be making
  84. 3:02some promises about character
  85. 3:07did i spell that right i didn't
  86. 3:09character
  87. 3:10it's spelled right now you can't tell me
  88. 3:12it's not
  89. 3:13it's in my own language um
  90. 3:21you guys actually have adam who can like
  91. 3:22zoom up on this so you can actually see
  92. 3:23my terrible handwriting
  93. 3:25whereas in the normal class they just
  94. 3:26have to sit back and be like does that
  95. 3:28act
  96. 3:28did he i can't make yeah you get to see
  97. 3:32it in like glorious hd
  98. 3:33um 4k 4k 4k
  99. 3:36scribbles on a whiteboard uh
  100. 3:40yeah all right so promises
  101. 3:45these promises um can indeed be
  102. 3:48undermined
  103. 3:49in some ways almost every plot twist in
  104. 3:52a way
  105. 3:53is a slight change or twist
  106. 3:56on one of your promises and we'll talk
  107. 3:58about that later on when we get the
  108. 4:00payoffs
  109. 4:00right and a lot of your promises that
  110. 4:03you'll be making is
  111. 4:04that i am going to give you this
  112. 4:06expected thing but it's going to be
  113. 4:08better than you expect
  114. 4:09um tone let's talk about this one first
  115. 4:14tone promise usually is telling people
  116. 4:16when they
  117. 4:17pick up the book what type of feel
  118. 4:20the book is going to have this kind of
  119. 4:23gets into
  120. 4:24is it going to be whimsical is it going
  121. 4:26to be humorous
  122. 4:27is it going to be dark and gritty is
  123. 4:28this going to be adventuresome
  124. 4:31you can do different subgenres of every
  125. 4:35genre
  126. 4:35dealing with those tones you can write a
  127. 4:37romance that
  128. 4:39is adventuresome or that is whimsical or
  129. 4:42that is comedic
  130. 4:43um you can write a fantasy even in a
  131. 4:46specific sub-drama you can write an epic
  132. 4:48fantasy
  133. 4:48that is dark and gritty you can write an
  134. 4:51epic fantasy
  135. 4:52that is hopeful but uh you know points
  136. 4:54of light in darkness
  137. 4:56where there are certain it's going to be
  138. 4:58a rough world but there are points of
  139. 4:59light
  140. 4:59you can write one that is going to be
  141. 5:01fun and whimsical
  142. 5:03you can write one that is going to be a
  143. 5:05comedy all of these things
  144. 5:07are important promises at the start of
  145. 5:09your story
  146. 5:10i don't fixate as much as a lot of
  147. 5:13writing teachers i've seen
  148. 5:15on your first line nearly as much
  149. 5:18writers tend to fixate
  150. 5:19on it too much in my opinion
  151. 5:22what you want to have in that opener is
  152. 5:25a
  153. 5:26indic an indication of what kind of
  154. 5:29story it is your opening paragraph
  155. 5:33should offer some sort of motion i
  156. 5:36recommend this for every type of story
  157. 5:38because every story should be promising
  158. 5:40motion
  159. 5:40there should be some sort of conflict
  160. 5:43promise of change or some sort of motion
  161. 5:46um even if you are writing um you know a
  162. 5:50story that is mostly going to be
  163. 5:52pastoral
  164. 5:53um i often use pride and prejudice right
  165. 5:56um the opening line of pride and
  166. 5:57prejudice is in conflict with itself
  167. 5:59because it's irony i can't quote it
  168. 6:01exactly but it's like
  169. 6:03what is it every man
  170. 6:08yes there you are that a man in
  171. 6:10possession of a fortune
  172. 6:13right so opening line to
  173. 6:17a book in the 1800s that is a much
  174. 6:19slower book than modern ones
  175. 6:21already says this is a promise of the
  176. 6:24tone
  177. 6:24it's going to be kind of funny right
  178. 6:27this
  179. 6:27is also something is going to change
  180. 6:30there is a
  181. 6:32guy in this book who has a fortune but
  182. 6:34does not have a wife
  183. 6:35and he wants one we have motion and
  184. 6:38change
  185. 6:38promised in the tone of this you
  186. 6:41generally have to be a little faster
  187. 6:44even than um books in the 1800s
  188. 6:48the more that writing has become a um a
  189. 6:51popular
  190. 6:52mode of storytelling the more that you
  191. 6:54want this
  192. 6:55opening page to make sure that it has
  193. 6:59motion and change and if you
  194. 7:02can at all an active protagonist who
  195. 7:04wants something and tr
  196. 7:06is trying to get it you don't have to do
  197. 7:09any of those things that's the recipe
  198. 7:11but the reason the chef reason for this
  199. 7:13is
  200. 7:14we in our lives have so many things
  201. 7:17trying to grab our attention does not
  202. 7:19mean that your book
  203. 7:20has to have add um and
  204. 7:24uh you know work like a vine or
  205. 7:27what the tick tock where it's 15 seconds
  206. 7:29long and you grab someone's attention
  207. 7:30that fast but what it does have to do is
  208. 7:32promise
  209. 7:33motion promise conflict promise
  210. 7:36change um one of the things i often use
  211. 7:39is a great example of someone who knew
  212. 7:40what they were doing and this is robert
  213. 7:42jordan's wheel of time
  214. 7:43robert jordan's wheel of time is a book
  215. 7:45series um that is about the
  216. 7:47end of the world in a fantasy world the
  217. 7:50fantasy apocalypse
  218. 7:53he wanted to start his book with a young
  219. 7:55boy on a farm
  220. 7:57uh in a kind of hero's journey sense in
  221. 7:59a pastoral location he's going to be
  222. 8:01forced out
  223. 8:02onto his hero's journey he knew that
  224. 8:04that would give some of the wrong
  225. 8:06promises to some of the readers
  226. 8:08because by chapter 2 like
  227. 8:11everything is going crazy already in
  228. 8:13that book
  229. 8:14um and so this is why you often see in
  230. 8:18fantasy books a prologue like robert
  231. 8:20jordan's that takes place during the
  232. 8:22previous apocalypse of the world ending
  233. 8:25showing how
  234. 8:26awful everything was um kind of making
  235. 8:29all of these cool magical promises of
  236. 8:30stuff you're gonna get to see
  237. 8:32it's very short it's one of the best
  238. 8:34prologues in all of fantasy
  239. 8:36um and it says to you as a reader here
  240. 8:39is our tone
  241. 8:40promise now we're going to go to the
  242. 8:42character promise
  243. 8:43of the young boy on a farm and by
  244. 8:45melding these two you're going to
  245. 8:47realize
  246. 8:47this boy's young pastoral perfect life
  247. 8:51is going to be upended because of an
  248. 8:53apocalypse that's coming
  249. 8:54just give me time to get there and you
  250. 8:58know as a young reader i was on board i
  251. 9:00understood i'm like all right this is
  252. 9:01where we're going
  253. 9:02i can now give him the time to set up
  254. 9:05this character
  255. 9:07properly um because i have had this
  256. 9:10promise up front
  257. 9:11it's why you see prologues a lot in
  258. 9:13fantasy novels
  259. 9:14um definitely can become a cliche unto
  260. 9:17itself and indeed it can be a recipe
  261. 9:19thing
  262. 9:19where you're like well fantasy books at
  263. 9:21burlogs i'll add a prologue not every
  264. 9:23book needs one
  265. 9:24not a lot of books can start with the
  266. 9:26right tone promise
  267. 9:28this doesn't mean that you need to
  268. 9:31introduce your plot
  269. 9:34the actual plot of the book straight off
  270. 9:37um what you often want to do is
  271. 9:40introduce some smaller conflict
  272. 9:43that then introduces some of the same
  273. 9:46ideas
  274. 9:47that are going to be part of your plot
  275. 9:49and again this is a
  276. 9:50something that uses a prologue which you
  277. 9:52don't need to do but a great example is
  278. 9:54uh indiana jones on the radius the lost
  279. 9:56ark
  280. 9:56right lucas and spielberg love the cold
  281. 9:59open
  282. 10:00the cold open where you join someone in
  283. 10:02the middle of their previous adventure
  284. 10:04which they are just wrapping up which is
  285. 10:06going to be a small microcosm
  286. 10:08for the big adventure you i've it's been
  287. 10:12you know everyone knows this now but in
  288. 10:14case you don't you know you meet indy
  289. 10:16he's this mysterious character
  290. 10:17he's cool he's got a whip who has a whip
  291. 10:21um he's investigating a um a temple
  292. 10:24he's smart he outsmarts all of the traps
  293. 10:27he gets betrayed but outsmarts his
  294. 10:29betrayer and there's this this
  295. 10:32wonderful moment where indy knows that
  296. 10:36this guy is untrustworthy and so he
  297. 10:38leads him wrong through one of the traps
  298. 10:40uh where indy it's a pressure plate he
  299. 10:42steps on but he puts his hand through
  300. 10:44the uh
  301. 10:45through the light to indicate oh the
  302. 10:47light sets off the trap
  303. 10:48the guy dies to that trap after
  304. 10:50betraying india a little bit later
  305. 10:52because it was actually the pressure
  306. 10:53plate india is really smart
  307. 10:55and at the end of this thing indiana
  308. 10:57jones loses anyway
  309. 10:58right tries really hard still loses um
  310. 11:02this is a small sort of plot promise
  311. 11:04it's also a tone promise and a genre
  312. 11:06promise but the plot promise on this is
  313. 11:08you're going to see a bigger version of
  314. 11:09this you're going to see indiana jones
  315. 11:11struggle
  316. 11:11you're going to see that he's really
  317. 11:13competent and he still
  318. 11:15gets the crud beat out of him uh he
  319. 11:18still has to deal with snakes
  320. 11:19he still has people betraying him um and
  321. 11:23he just as a guy who has a lot of grit
  322. 11:25and can push through that
  323. 11:26and at the end you're probably going to
  324. 11:28get some sort of bittersweet ending
  325. 11:31guess what that is the entire movie
  326. 11:34right
  327. 11:35they did a very small version of the
  328. 11:37exact movie
  329. 11:38um that's again why uh
  330. 11:43indiana jones is used as a really good
  331. 11:45example of a tightly paced
  332. 11:47um hollywood formula movie um
  333. 11:50you want to do something like this it
  334. 11:53does not need to be on the scale you
  335. 11:56don't have to have like a mini adventure
  336. 11:57that explains the whole adventure that's
  337. 11:59going to be happening
  338. 12:00but having a character who is struggling
  339. 12:04with a problem
  340. 12:05that is going to become a major issue
  341. 12:07once the plot insight intersects them
  342. 12:09is a great way to say look you're going
  343. 12:12to see this character grow and struggle
  344. 12:14with this problem
  345. 12:15and it's probably going to become an
  346. 12:16even bigger problem as the story
  347. 12:18progresses
  348. 12:19make promises of the type of story
  349. 12:24and you know what kinds of characters
  350. 12:27you're going to look forward to reading
  351. 12:28about
  352. 12:30doing this is a really important skill
  353. 12:33for storytelling
  354. 12:36if you don't learn to do this granted a
  355. 12:39lot of people do this by instinct it's
  356. 12:40not like
  357. 12:41you have to use my formula for it but if
  358. 12:43you don't learn to make promises
  359. 12:44and show progress on those promises your
  360. 12:46books are going to be boring
  361. 12:49and it's really interesting because
  362. 12:51boredom
  363. 12:52is this weird construct right it
  364. 12:55usually is the the readers like it's not
  365. 12:58moving fast enough or i don't know
  366. 13:00what's happening or i'm just not engaged
  367. 13:03not every time but a lot of times the
  368. 13:05problem is
  369. 13:06that you have made wrong promises or
  370. 13:09that you're not showing progress on
  371. 13:10those promises
  372. 13:12if you up front promise people something
  373. 13:14but then
  374. 13:15your progress is all on a different axis
  375. 13:18what's going to happen
  376. 13:19is in their heads they're going to treat
  377. 13:21the actual
  378. 13:22progress of the book as a side deviation
  379. 13:26from the thing they're expecting so what
  380. 13:28happens is they stop investing
  381. 13:30in this this thing because their brain
  382. 13:32tells them this is a side story
  383. 13:34this is a side mission this is not
  384. 13:36important to the main plot
  385. 13:38this is a bunch of characters going to
  386. 13:39canto bite and getting their car
  387. 13:42towed um little did i get the last jedi
  388. 13:45there sorry
  389. 13:46um your brain says not important this is
  390. 13:49not the main plot of the story
  391. 13:51um and i can't see how this is
  392. 13:54progressing
  393. 13:55and how it relates conversely you might
  394. 13:58say this is their main plot
  395. 14:00but you don't signpost that progress is
  396. 14:02being made
  397. 14:03you as a storyteller your job is to give
  398. 14:07a
  399. 14:07sense of progress why a sense of
  400. 14:10progress because
  401. 14:11all progress and stories is illusionary
  402. 14:14um
  403. 14:15you can do anything progress wise in a
  404. 14:19story if you want to say
  405. 14:21you are writing an underdog sports story
  406. 14:24and you want to say all right and then
  407. 14:27they won the championship
  408. 14:29that's the next chapter of your book
  409. 14:31you're done you've given them progress
  410. 14:33it's happened you've solved the story
  411. 14:36right
  412. 14:36uh and then she got over her hang-ups
  413. 14:39and realized that he really wasn't that
  414. 14:41bad a guy he's just really
  415. 14:42kind of bad at making introductions
  416. 14:44himself to new people and they got along
  417. 14:46swimmingly
  418. 14:47got married the end right there's one
  419. 14:50sentence resolution
  420. 14:51to um to a plot you can also if you
  421. 14:55really wanted to
  422. 14:56don't do this but you could write 50
  423. 14:59pages
  424. 14:59where only one second passes i guarantee
  425. 15:02that every one of you could do that
  426. 15:04uh you could describe in my new detail
  427. 15:07in a frozen moment
  428. 15:08everything happening in this frozen
  429. 15:10moment and go on and on and on
  430. 15:12and you can fill your whole book with
  431. 15:13that right you have absolute control
  432. 15:16over how fast your book moves and how or
  433. 15:19how slowly the book moves
  434. 15:21your reader needs a sense that goals
  435. 15:25exist for the characters that goals
  436. 15:28exist for the story
  437. 15:30and that progress is being made
  438. 15:33toward those and the different type
  439. 15:36of sub-genre and genre you are doing in
  440. 15:39your story
  441. 15:40is going to tell you what those
  442. 15:41signposts should be
  443. 15:43right um this is where it gets a little
  444. 15:47complicated
  445. 15:48because every story is doing multiples
  446. 15:51of these
  447. 15:52right um again if we use uh star wars
  448. 15:56uh because a lot of people have seen it
  449. 15:58and it is a really tight screenplay
  450. 16:01you have kind of an opening promise
  451. 16:04right uh from the from a new hope the
  452. 16:07opening promise is
  453. 16:09little ship big ship bad guy in black
  454. 16:12armor
  455. 16:13good character in white clothing who is
  456. 16:16who has
  457. 16:16uh friendly little droids right uh what
  458. 16:20is your tone promise
  459. 16:21science fiction about the little ship
  460. 16:23against the big ship
  461. 16:25uh first image in the movie tells you
  462. 16:27what the story is about
  463. 16:29um and so that's your first promise
  464. 16:31little ship
  465. 16:33versus big ship right
  466. 16:36well then nested i'm drawing brackets
  467. 16:38here is your next
  468. 16:40set of promises which are the kind of
  469. 16:43actual plot promise which is where
  470. 16:46princess leia says
  471. 16:48take these plans to obi-wan kenobi he
  472. 16:51can save us
  473. 16:52so you've got a plot that is kind of a
  474. 16:54bit of a travelogue
  475. 16:57a character has to go to a place and
  476. 16:59find a person
  477. 17:00travel plot right um
  478. 17:04go to a place find a person so you're
  479. 17:05nesting these big plot is
  480. 17:08we're going to uh little ship's going to
  481. 17:09beat the big ship
  482. 17:11uh sm smaller plot is
  483. 17:14find this person go to this place travel
  484. 17:16to this place
  485. 17:18then it cuts to luke and you have your
  486. 17:21character promise
  487. 17:23right and in your character promise luke
  488. 17:26skywalker
  489. 17:26is doesn't want to go do whatever he's
  490. 17:29supposed to do
  491. 17:30and instead he walks out and looks up at
  492. 17:32the double suns
  493. 17:33and is like man i want to go out there
  494. 17:36and have an adventure
  495. 17:37this guy wants an adventure
  496. 17:42right um and
  497. 17:46so what happens is lucas starts working
  498. 17:49on these various stories as he goes and
  499. 17:52he will open up
  500. 17:54small little promises and pay off in the
  501. 17:56middle
  502. 17:57like you find obi-wan kenobi but the
  503. 17:59travel plot gets expanded
  504. 18:00this is a very common sort of twist you
  505. 18:03put in your stories is where you expand
  506. 18:05a previous plot into a larger plot the
  507. 18:07travel plot
  508. 18:08changes from find ob1 to
  509. 18:11we need to go off planet and go uh
  510. 18:15find this princess and bring these plans
  511. 18:17to rebellion right the travel plot gets
  512. 18:19bigger and the character adventure
  513. 18:23gets bigger doesn't it he meets obi-wan
  514. 18:26and obi-wan says
  515. 18:27you must learn the ways of the force and
  516. 18:29train to be a jedi
  517. 18:31guess what your adventure's going to be
  518. 18:32you wanted to have one here is what it's
  519. 18:34actually going to be you are now
  520. 18:37expanding to not just going on adventure
  521. 18:39you're going to become a jedi
  522. 18:41right and this is all very well
  523. 18:45signposted
  524. 18:46as part of the big plot little versus
  525. 18:48big
  526. 18:49why are we going to go on our travelogue
  527. 18:51because this will help us destroy the
  528. 18:53big ship
  529. 18:54in fact we will find the biggest ship
  530. 18:57ever
  531. 18:58we will expand our plot to holy cow it's
  532. 19:01a big old death star
  533. 19:02right it's not just a big ship it's the
  534. 19:04biggest ship that's ever been built
  535. 19:06and we got to blow that up with a little
  536. 19:08ship um
  537. 19:10travel plot says if we can get to this
  538. 19:12place
  539. 19:13we can blow up the biggest ship by using
  540. 19:15little ships
  541. 19:16the character thing why do you need to
  542. 19:18become a jedi because darth vader killed
  543. 19:20your dad and he's on the big ship
  544. 19:22right um everything is related back and
  545. 19:25so as
  546. 19:26lucas is signposting each of these
  547. 19:28things you are
  548. 19:30told reasons why you should care and it
  549. 19:32is
  550. 19:33indicated to you we are making progress
  551. 19:37right and then you kind of out starts
  552. 19:40outlining the steps this is very common
  553. 19:42in a travel log
  554. 19:43we need to go to mos idly spaceport to
  555. 19:45find a pilot
  556. 19:47when we have done that we have achieved
  557. 19:49a step
  558. 19:50in our journey right and almost all the
  559. 19:52journeys uh the steps and
  560. 19:54uh star wars are journey steps it's
  561. 19:56mostly uh character
  562. 19:58um that is a hero's journey
  563. 20:02with an actual literal journey that is a
  564. 20:04travelogue that's the type of plot
  565. 20:06progress you're getting most of the time
  566. 20:08and so we go there we find a pilot
  567. 20:11uh and indeed this pilot is
  568. 20:14a big old meanie right
  569. 20:18han is mean
  570. 20:22and scruffy-looking right he's a
  571. 20:24scruffy-looking nerf herder
  572. 20:26um or whatever um and you open up a new
  573. 20:30character plot
  574. 20:32han is mean we wish han weren't mean
  575. 20:35because he's also cool
  576. 20:37maybe we can have a little character
  577. 20:39journey for han
  578. 20:40where han is no longer uh you know
  579. 20:43han is no longer mean i mean you have
  580. 20:45little bits in this
  581. 20:46where you uh where you open up a new one
  582. 20:49that is all right
  583. 20:50to get these plans we actually actually
  584. 20:52got sucked into the death star
  585. 20:55right oh no we're stuck to the death
  586. 20:57star we were trying to get to the right
  587. 20:59place
  588. 20:59the right place isn't there anymore
  589. 21:01instead there's a death star and we now
  590. 21:03have the expansion of even bigger ship
  591. 21:05right and then we
  592. 21:08start closing the brackets right all
  593. 21:11right
  594. 21:13we close the death star plot uh not the
  595. 21:16death star they
  596. 21:17get off the death star right uh we
  597. 21:19closed that one out by us escaping
  598. 21:21but it costs us obi-wan kenobi that's
  599. 21:25bad
  600. 21:25that's an escalation now we have to do
  601. 21:28these other three thing
  602. 21:29four things with no obi-wan kenobi
  603. 21:33suddenly you have another twist and it's
  604. 21:36expansion
  605. 21:37of the danger um and the scope
  606. 21:40by taking away the strongest member uh
  607. 21:42and the support of the team
  608. 21:44right um you then actually
  609. 21:47close the travel plot
  610. 21:51by getting where you're supposed to be
  611. 21:53so they close a little bit out of order
  612. 21:55this does happen
  613. 21:56but you close the travel plot and then
  614. 21:59you close the character plot
  615. 22:04right you close the character plot by
  616. 22:07having the moment
  617. 22:08where luke is going to trust the force
  618. 22:10right um
  619. 22:11where luke has learned and this these
  620. 22:13these next ones happen almost in
  621. 22:15exact quick succession in fact i think
  622. 22:17you close the han plot first don't you
  623. 22:19uh han comes back and he's not a meanie
  624. 22:21anymore right and he saves you
  625. 22:23um then you close the jedi plot guess
  626. 22:27what luke's turning off his targeting
  627. 22:28computer he's become a jedi not really
  628. 22:32but enough for this book
  629. 22:33or this movie and then what happens last
  630. 22:36right we have han these two i think i
  631. 22:38got backwards
  632. 22:39um then you what happens a little ship
  633. 22:44blows up a really big ship right
  634. 22:47um and an exact reversal of the opening
  635. 22:51shot
  636. 22:52the little ship blows up the big ship um
  637. 22:55the
  638. 22:56important thing to remember about these
  639. 22:58is
  640. 22:59this sense of progress let me ask you
  641. 23:02guys
  642. 23:02do you get a sense that luke is learning
  643. 23:05the ways of the force through the course
  644. 23:06of the story
  645. 23:08yes he fights a little ball that shoots
  646. 23:11him he learns about stuff
  647. 23:13han is mean about it is han mean yes but
  648. 23:17does han stop being quite so mean
  649. 23:19you see progress for han along this
  650. 23:22thing
  651. 23:23well maybe we can save a princess maybe
  652. 23:25i like that princess
  653. 23:26maybe i like this guy maybe this is
  654. 23:28actually worth fighting for something
  655. 23:30rather than looking out only for myself
  656. 23:32you see progress you've been promised it
  657. 23:35and you signpost it um do you see
  658. 23:38that they are making progress in their
  659. 23:40travel yes
  660. 23:42we've got to go here and do this thing
  661. 23:44now we've got to go here
  662. 23:45we went there and it's gone and we had a
  663. 23:47little venture on the death star
  664. 23:49next travel is escape the death star
  665. 23:51then we got to get to the rebels
  666. 23:52we do that pretty quickly travel plot
  667. 23:54has been signposted all along
  668. 23:56and this is kind of your structure for
  669. 23:59the first star wars movie which is why
  670. 24:02we hold it up as such a great example
  671. 24:04because
  672. 24:05the great thing is that i love is that
  673. 24:08these three close
  674. 24:11almost simultaneously and so what's
  675. 24:14happening is
  676. 24:15two character plot things we'll talk
  677. 24:17about this more in character
  678. 24:19both han and luke's character climaxes
  679. 24:21overlap
  680. 24:22in a matter of a few minutes and then it
  681. 24:25is the
  682. 24:25those two things closing learning the
  683. 24:28force and han coming back
  684. 24:30that allow them to destroy the death
  685. 24:32star right
  686. 24:33they can the little ship can destroy the
  687. 24:34big ship because we
  688. 24:36trust in the force and we're good
  689. 24:38friends right
  690. 24:39you we joke about this but the death
  691. 24:41star was destroyed by the power of
  692. 24:43friendship
  693. 24:44without the power of friendship no death
  694. 24:47star getting destroyed because luke dies
  695. 24:49um and so the character
  696. 24:53moments happen in service of achieving
  697. 24:57your main goal
  698. 24:59this all ties up in a really great bow
  699. 25:01everyone gets a metal but chewy
  700. 25:03um and uh movie ends r2d2 is happy
  701. 25:08um and so what can we
  702. 25:11learn from this it's this progress thing
  703. 25:14that is so important that people get
  704. 25:17wrong
  705. 25:18a lot of times we're gonna erase this
  706. 25:20but uh
  707. 25:21so take a screenshot uh if you wanna
  708. 25:23have this for some reason
  709. 25:25um right
  710. 25:29identifying the type of progress
  711. 25:32that you are going to be writing into
  712. 25:34your story and then making the proper pr
  713. 25:37uh promises and then signposting that as
  714. 25:40you go
  715. 25:42is the way to go about this in kind of
  716. 25:44the brandon method
  717. 25:46wow 6 23 already so i got like i got is
  718. 25:49650
  719. 25:50yeah we got a little time um so
  720. 25:54what i try to do when i'm building my uh
  721. 25:57my books
  722. 25:58um is i don't build a traditional
  723. 26:00outline
  724. 26:01that is like heading one subheading b
  725. 26:04these sorts of things
  726. 26:05i ask myself what kind of things do i
  727. 26:08want to have happen at the end of my
  728. 26:09book
  729. 26:10i outline backward what are my payoffs
  730. 26:12that i want to earn
  731. 26:14when i write a story where a character
  732. 26:17is going to use the magic in a really
  733. 26:18interesting and cool way at the end of
  734. 26:20the story
  735. 26:21um i imagined that scene and say all
  736. 26:23right i gotta earn that scene
  737. 26:25what do i got to do during that scene
  738. 26:27well first the character has to practice
  739. 26:30right we have an apprentice plot
  740. 26:34and we have to explain the magic
  741. 26:40and usually we have some sort of mystery
  742. 26:45right a lot of my books that you'll read
  743. 26:47i love mysteries about the magic system
  744. 26:49because
  745. 26:49it's just a thing that i love um so the
  746. 26:51characters will be trying to figure out
  747. 26:53how the magic works
  748. 26:55while they're training in it and while
  749. 26:56it's getting explained to the reader
  750. 26:59and i will then say all right what sort
  751. 27:02of
  752. 27:02progress can i show along these things
  753. 27:05and i like to try to identify the types
  754. 27:07of
  755. 27:08progress for certain sub-elements of a
  756. 27:10story for instance
  757. 27:11if you've got a mystery in your story
  758. 27:13you need them to discover clues
  759. 27:14information is usually your progress in
  760. 27:17a mystery
  761. 27:18you give information some of it's red
  762. 27:21herrings
  763. 27:22um some of it is actual information
  764. 27:25uh some of it's partial information but
  765. 27:28you can identify all right
  766. 27:29the progress on that is going to be
  767. 27:32getting information
  768. 27:33but with the character getting better at
  769. 27:35a skill
  770. 27:36a lot of times in movies it's a montage
  771. 27:39or something like that for but in a book
  772. 27:41basically you're going to say all right
  773. 27:42here are my kind of
  774. 27:44signposts of showing that they're
  775. 27:47getting better
  776. 27:48right um in star wars it's let's make
  777. 27:51sure we show a scene
  778. 27:52where luke has the blast shield down and
  779. 27:55is trying to sense what he's supposed to
  780. 27:57do
  781. 27:57to imitate being in the cockpit later on
  782. 28:00with helmet on
  783. 28:01and let's show that right now he can
  784. 28:04actually kind of do it but not really
  785. 28:06well
  786. 28:06and so you have this nice scene where
  787. 28:08he's got a lightsaber um
  788. 28:10and things like that what's another
  789. 28:12thing you need you need obi-wan kenobi
  790. 28:14to speak in his head because he's going
  791. 28:15to give him the last piece of advice at
  792. 28:17the end right
  793. 28:17you've already imagined this ending and
  794. 28:19so you're like all right we need a scene
  795. 28:21where obi-wan kenobi says through the
  796. 28:23force go
  797. 28:24do this luke and we do that right after
  798. 28:26ben dies right
  799. 28:27um and so we have this you know escape
  800. 28:31get away luke
  801. 28:32follow obi-wan's directions um
  802. 28:35and things like that you have these
  803. 28:37scenes if you're writing a book about
  804. 28:40this
  805. 28:40you devise these scenes and show
  806. 28:43progress
  807. 28:43of the characters uh skill with the
  808. 28:46magic
  809. 28:46through the course of the story or
  810. 28:48whatever it is they're learning so that
  811. 28:50at the end
  812. 28:50the reader has been able to watch these
  813. 28:52signposts it is
  814. 28:54really fun to watch a character get
  815. 28:57better at something
  816. 28:58lots of reasons for this one reason is
  817. 29:01you get to show them be bad with it and
  818. 29:02that's funny
  819. 29:04when luke gets shot by the little thing
  820. 29:06that's funny
  821. 29:07right uh when a character is trying to
  822. 29:10use the magic and flops on their face
  823. 29:11when neo jumps off the building
  824. 29:13and can't leap and falls down that's
  825. 29:16fun these sorts of moments are really
  826. 29:19they bond you to the character
  827. 29:21you like watching them and it's also
  828. 29:23each one of them is a promise that later
  829. 29:24on
  830. 29:25i'm gonna get able to see that character
  831. 29:27kick some butt
  832. 29:28and i'm gonna enjoy it because i feel
  833. 29:30vicariously
  834. 29:31like i had to suffer like they suffered
  835. 29:33through not being good at it
  836. 29:35so later on when they use the skill in a
  837. 29:37really interesting and cool way you
  838. 29:40feel like they've earned it you feel
  839. 29:42like you have earned that scene
  840. 29:44by reading all the scenes of them going
  841. 29:46doing it poorly those hopefully weren't
  842. 29:48painful because the author wrote them
  843. 29:50the way that they're fun
  844. 29:51but that whole thing that i like
  845. 29:53watching numbers count up on a
  846. 29:54spreadsheet
  847. 29:55that principle works for
  848. 29:58almost everyone we love seeing steps and
  849. 30:02progress
  850. 30:02and if you are good at signposting this
  851. 30:05people will not find your book boring
  852. 30:08the best writers i know can write a
  853. 30:10story um
  854. 30:11about like uh lee modesit has a scene
  855. 30:14where a character makes a barrel
  856. 30:16he's a he's a barrel right whatever
  857. 30:19that's actually called
  858. 30:20um what's that maybe yeah
  859. 30:24and he makes a barrel and it's like a
  860. 30:26whole chapter and it's fascinating
  861. 30:28because he's really good at this stuff
  862. 30:29he signposts what needs to be happened
  863. 30:31watching someone who's really skilled at
  864. 30:33somewhat something someone
  865. 30:34who's really skilled at something do it
  866. 30:37is fun for us to watch
  867. 30:39and we get to see the barrel get made
  868. 30:41it's the same reason that we enjoy
  869. 30:43baking shops right watching people
  870. 30:46do something if it is properly
  871. 30:50promised to us is really exciting
  872. 30:53um and there's this principle in
  873. 30:54storytelling that a lot of you are going
  874. 30:56to disagree with i disagree with on
  875. 30:58moral principle but the the principle of
  876. 31:01storytelling is that
  877. 31:03readers enjoy stories if they know
  878. 31:04what's going to happen
  879. 31:06this has been studied numerous times
  880. 31:09in studies granted it's a little bit i
  881. 31:12mean how do you study this they usually
  882. 31:14say
  883. 31:14on a scale of 10 how much did you enjoy
  884. 31:16this experience and stuff like that
  885. 31:18but uh the data seems pretty conclusive
  886. 31:21that people having movies and shows
  887. 31:23spoiled for them
  888. 31:25increases their enjoyment of that i hate
  889. 31:28that
  890. 31:28right as my morally opposed to it but
  891. 31:31it actually has a really good
  892. 31:33fundamental principle that
  893. 31:35um that is baked into all of us i don't
  894. 31:38know if you guys have read
  895. 31:39um uh which one is it it's one of the
  896. 31:42malcolm gladwell books the one that
  897. 31:43talks about
  898. 31:44um about blue's clues which one is that
  899. 31:48outliers i think it's outliers might not
  900. 31:50be um
  901. 31:51but regardless what they the blues clues
  902. 31:54made an interesting
  903. 31:55uh revolution in children's programming
  904. 31:58by realizing that kids enjoyed blues
  905. 32:01crews more
  906. 32:02if they'd seen the same episode a couple
  907. 32:04of times and they were the first one to
  908. 32:06try airing the same episode
  909. 32:07five days a week and what they found is
  910. 32:10that kids
  911. 32:11preschoolers who watched this got really
  912. 32:13excited because
  913. 32:14preschools are used to not knowing
  914. 32:15anything is going to happen in stories
  915. 32:17it's all new to them and but they could
  916. 32:20realize
  917. 32:20oh the i know what's in the mailbox
  918. 32:24it's the it's the shoe i saw this
  919. 32:26yesterday
  920. 32:27and they love being able to say it's the
  921. 32:29shoe i
  922. 32:30anticipated the story beat that's really
  923. 32:33exciting to me
  924. 32:34readers love this across the board this
  925. 32:37is why the promises are so important
  926. 32:40readers love being able to say read the
  927. 32:42book and be like wow
  928. 32:43i bet luke is going to get good at the
  929. 32:45force oh wow he's really good at the
  930. 32:48force now
  931. 32:49that's fun figuring out what your
  932. 32:52your progress is and we can't go into it
  933. 32:55maybe next
  934. 32:56plotting episode i'll try to go into it
  935. 32:57a little bit more but
  936. 32:59all different subplot cycles all have
  937. 33:01kind of different
  938. 33:02progresses relationship plops are a good
  939. 33:05example
  940. 33:06if you want an in-depth look at a lot of
  941. 33:08these my podcast running excuses did a
  942. 33:10whole season it's like season 11 i think
  943. 33:12maybe 12
  944. 33:13on what we call the elemental genres um
  945. 33:15and this is where we just look at the
  946. 33:16progress for each type of
  947. 33:18kind of sub genre of a relationship plot
  948. 33:22is uh is very commonly you can take the
  949. 33:25same things and apply them to different
  950. 33:27genres
  951. 33:28uh like i always like to point out that
  952. 33:30like a buddy cop movie and a romance
  953. 33:32generally use the same story beats right
  954. 33:35uh if you strip away and look at the
  955. 33:38core
  956. 33:39skeleton they have very similar story
  957. 33:41beats um
  958. 33:42ender's game and hoosiers and
  959. 33:45uh the way of kings all have the same
  960. 33:47story structure this is science fiction
  961. 33:49this is a basketball um uh story
  962. 33:52and an epic fantasy they're all the
  963. 33:54under dog sports story they're all
  964. 33:56played very differently
  965. 33:57um but you can find the same beats and
  966. 33:59pitch perfect
  967. 34:00that you find in ender's game um this is
  968. 34:03understanding the difference between
  969. 34:05like this progress the type of progress
  970. 34:08genre you're doing
  971. 34:09and the trappings of your genre and i
  972. 34:11should have mentioned when i was talking
  973. 34:12about your promises of genre
  974. 34:13genre can have both trappings and plots
  975. 34:16and you like progress associated with
  976. 34:18them right like
  977. 34:20uh oh people point out that star wars is
  978. 34:22kind of a space western
  979. 34:23it's using a western story structure
  980. 34:27but it's trappings or science fiction
  981. 34:28with a little fantasy mixed in
  982. 34:30so don't mistake your trappings for your
  983. 34:32plot that those are
  984. 34:34very easy to separate apart
  985. 34:37and part of being a chef i would
  986. 34:39challenge you is going in
  987. 34:40to your favorite pieces of media the
  988. 34:42books you've read the movies you love
  989. 34:44and start ask yourself what are the
  990. 34:46differences between the trappings
  991. 34:48and the actual plot skeleton and the
  992. 34:50sense of progress that we're getting
  993. 34:52a lot of thrillers are creating a sense
  994. 34:54of urgency through someone chasing them
  995. 34:56but at their core they're either a
  996. 34:58travelogue or a mystery right
  997. 35:00some of them are what we call heists um
  998. 35:03that happens a lot too
  999. 35:04but you just start to learn this stuff
  1000. 35:07get yourself a book
  1001. 35:08and start to break down what different
  1002. 35:11types of plots you are seeing
  1003. 35:12in the things that you love and ask
  1004. 35:14yourself why do they work
  1005. 35:16what do i love about them what's the
  1006. 35:17progress that they're making and why is
  1007. 35:19it keeping me engaged
  1008. 35:21good progress is the thing that keeps
  1009. 35:23you turning the page
  1010. 35:25one of my favorites examples of this
  1011. 35:28it's a
  1012. 35:29lesser-known book uh called inferno by
  1013. 35:31larry niven and jerry pornell
  1014. 35:33mostly known for their other science
  1015. 35:34fiction work this is a story about a
  1016. 35:36science fiction author who gets drunk at
  1017. 35:37a party falls out a window
  1018. 35:39and wakes up in dante's inferno turns
  1019. 35:41out that's the afterlife
  1020. 35:43um and it is mostly uh because
  1021. 35:46um larry and jerry uh grew up in an era
  1022. 35:50where the the uh the science fiction
  1023. 35:52short
  1024. 35:53in uh in magazines was a much bigger
  1025. 35:56influence on the genre that is now
  1026. 35:58a lot of stories from back then feel
  1027. 36:00very episodic this is one of them
  1028. 36:02it feels like they go to a place in the
  1029. 36:04inferno
  1030. 36:05and have an adventure with some dead
  1031. 36:06historical figure and then move on
  1032. 36:09to another one right it's just vignette
  1033. 36:11after vignette
  1034. 36:12um of what if you know you went on a
  1035. 36:14wacky adventure in as fidel
  1036. 36:16and billy the kid was there right um
  1037. 36:20that's basically the premise and i was
  1038. 36:21reading this book and i was just
  1039. 36:23eager to turn the page and i thought
  1040. 36:25this is really the definition
  1041. 36:27of an episodic thing why am i eager to
  1042. 36:30turn the page
  1043. 36:31and it was actually really simple they
  1044. 36:33drew the inferno
  1045. 36:34as a giant circle with a mysterious dot
  1046. 36:37at the center
  1047. 36:38and they dropped him at the perimeter
  1048. 36:40and each adventure took him closer to
  1049. 36:42the center
  1050. 36:43and i realized that that natural
  1051. 36:45momentum of me following his progress
  1052. 36:47along the travel log
  1053. 36:48even though each episode was episodic it
  1054. 36:51took him one step closer to the center
  1055. 36:53and the big cool mystery that was going
  1056. 36:55to be there
  1057. 36:56that was the way out of dante's inferno
  1058. 36:59um and i just was
  1059. 37:02you know i was hooked it's a very short
  1060. 37:04book that works to its advantage also in
  1061. 37:06this
  1062. 37:06um i that map in that case
  1063. 37:10was the thing to give me the sense of
  1064. 37:11progress i needed and they carefully
  1065. 37:12signposted
  1066. 37:13where we were along this map as we went
  1067. 37:16and that's all i needed for that story
  1068. 37:18i could see their progress i knew i was
  1069. 37:20making progress
  1070. 37:21you have an advantage in books
  1071. 37:22storytelling that they know the reader
  1072. 37:24knows how many pages it is and you're
  1073. 37:26using those pages up and giving them a
  1074. 37:28natural momentum
  1075. 37:29if you can make good on that by just
  1076. 37:31making sure
  1077. 37:32if you have a mystery plot you are
  1078. 37:34giving information clues
  1079. 37:36and signpost famous progress if you have
  1080. 37:38a relationship
  1081. 37:39you are showing the progress as he is
  1082. 37:41getting made on that relationship
  1083. 37:43even if there's a step backwards now and
  1084. 37:45then things are happening that reader
  1085. 37:47can say
  1086. 37:47they're getting closer even if they
  1087. 37:49don't realize it these things
  1088. 37:51are gonna what's gonna make your book
  1089. 37:53interesting to read
  1090. 37:54page by page

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