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0:04woman who had an affair with Chris Watts
0:06told our partners at the Denver Post
0:08that she hardly knew anything about
0:10Shannan and that she had only recently
0:12started a relationship with Chris. Well,
0:14there's now evidence to suggest that she
0:16knew about Shannan almost a year before
0:18the murders.
0:21Nicole later talked to police. And then
0:23one day he told me that he had two kids.
0:25I was like, "That's pretty cool." And
0:28started telling me about his kids. That
0:29sounded like a sarcastic comment. No, I
0:31thought it was kind of cute. I was like,
0:32"Oh, he's a dad." It was like right
0:34around Father's Day, too.
0:37She learned he was married even though
0:39she says he didn't wear a wedding ring.
0:42The other woman claimed she met Watts in
0:44June. She says she thought Watts was at
0:46the end of his divorce proceedings. I
0:48didn't know his significant other's name
0:50for a while and then I think he told me
0:53his kids' names pretty quick. This one
0:55is Chris Watts.
0:57Watts. Chris Watts. But police had found
1:00her internet searches from the year
1:01before. Kessinger searched the name
1:03Shannan Watts in September of 2017. I
1:06didn't know his significant other's name
1:08for a while. By this June, Watts was
1:11hiding photos in a phone app that looked
1:12like a calculator. I mean, he just told
1:14me, he's like, "We're house broke all
1:16the time." I was just like, "That's
1:17unfortunate." And I asked him, I was
1:19like, "Do you have 401k?" And he was
1:21like, "Yeah." And I mean, the reason I
1:23ask him this is because if I get into a
1:26relationship with somebody, I want to
1:28know like what kind of baggage that they
1:30have. I think that's important.
1:33Am I in trouble cuz I related to sex?
1:36You're not in trouble. Is it criminal?
1:38No. Well, in Colorado, destruction of
1:40evidence is a felony. Is there concern
1:43that you're hiding something?
1:45Potentially. You know, I'm Nicole
1:48Kessinger did cooperate with police. She
1:50says she went to them when she started
1:51suspecting that Watts was behind his
1:53family's disappearance. Yeah, guys.
1:54Police interviewed Nicole Kissinger, the
1:56other woman. She came forward to police
1:58about the same time that Watts employer,
2:00Anna Darko, had found emails indicating
2:03a relationship between the two.
2:09Okay. And well, we know all about that
2:12that Well, I don't think that's
2:14necessarily the case. And even more so
2:16now today, I believe that's not the
2:18case. She certainly did not go to law
2:19enforcement. Well, she went around that
2:21timing because that's when the crime
2:23happened, but she did not go to law
2:24enforcement because she was a good
2:26upstanding citizen and she just wanted
2:28to let them know that she was concerned
2:30about Shenan, a woman who she hated and
2:32she made strangulation hands that every
2:34time she said her name, well, the first
2:35time she said her name and you know, all
2:36this other stuff, we know that's not who
2:38Nicole Kessinger is. Girl, it's okay.
2:40You can let your hair down here. You're
2:42at the obsession. You don't have to
2:44pretend to be anything you're not. We
2:46know exactly who you are. It's all good.
2:50And guess what? So do law enforcement
2:55and the district attorney's office. And
2:57so did law enforcement and the district
3:02attorney's office. As of today, I now
3:04have verified
3:07source produced evidence of that. And I
3:09will be telling you more in days and
3:12weeks to follow. But as a result of
3:15doing research and working on this, you
3:17know, part one, part two videos about
3:19all about Nicole Kassinger and law
3:21enforcement and the injustices that
3:23happened and the possible corruption and
3:25cover-ups and how that all like came
3:27together in a way that was just too nice
3:29and neat um for me to not look deeper
3:34into. you know, myself, I told you some
3:36other people I've been working with and
3:37I had the privilege of working with
3:39before and some people um in Colorado
3:44where author Kathleen McKenna Hootson
3:46and I will be going sometime in the near
3:48future and I think she's in chat. So,
3:49hello darling everybody. Check out her
3:51new book, Dreamhouse, about the Corey
3:53Richens case. It's awesome. Um, and I
3:56have some things to tell you about
3:59conversations
4:00that Kathleen had
4:03with the district attorney and other
4:06really important people. Um, you know,
4:10when this case was newer, when it was
4:12being investigated, or so we thought,
4:15right? And in days when it still should
4:18have been being investigated, at least
4:22they should have been pretending. Um,
4:24and now after the fact, over six years
4:27after the fact, and with I really feel
4:30like, you know, in my mind, I mean,
4:33maybe there were things that came out
4:35that were shocking and were like, "Oh my
4:37god, I never even thought that, never
4:38imagined that would happen prior to me
4:41having the YouTube channel, but I don't
4:42know because I was, you know, I've been
4:44following this case all along and I was
4:45working like deeply in the, you know,
4:48mucky waters of this case. Um but just
4:50in an academic for my for in an academic
4:54sense rather than you know on the
4:55YouTube channel. Um and I don't know I
4:58think we got like the discovery dumps
5:00and then they took back things and then
5:02you know they tried to confuse things so
5:04we wouldn't know things because these
5:07junior detectives are really stupid you
5:09know and um I just can't even I I just
5:13can't even think of any information that
5:14made like my jaw drop and this really
5:16did. And I know you want to know what it
5:18all is. I am nervous because again I did
5:22just learn about this. You know I'm want
5:24to get my facts straight. I want to make
5:27sure I don't accidentally out a source
5:30that has done
5:33my god it's like there have been people
5:36that have been doing a lot of work.
5:37We'll just say that. Um so I have to
5:39respect that. And I guess nobody really
5:42knows about how they feel about, you
5:45know, how okay they are with being
5:47connected to the well
5:50maybe some aspect of what we're finding
5:53out but not another. Um and so I'm the
5:56only kind of person who's
5:59known to be connected to any of that
6:00right now. Well, oh god, I just realized
6:02that it's kind of scary to that point. I
6:05have been on my computer for like
6:06literally three days straight. It's kind
6:08of sad and I'm sort of embarrassed to
6:10say that because it's gorgeous weather
6:11here and I like to be active and do
6:13things and you know not just be like be
6:16sitting on my computer all the time but
6:19I this this is what I've been doing and
6:21also I've had some really serious things
6:22going on in my career job. So that being
6:25said, I've been on my computer for
6:26literally 3 days straight. It's been
6:28fine. You know, you usually get a
6:30notification when you're going to get,
6:32you know, you got to update your
6:33computer at this time. it's going to do
6:35an automatic um update or you can choose
6:38to do whatever the case may be. Haven't
6:40had anything like that. Literally, as I
6:42was about to log onto Streamyard,
6:45literally about I don't know 25 minutes
6:47ago or whenever it was right after 9:30,
6:49I was doing good on time. I was like,
6:51"Let's get this done with. I'm going to
6:52pee my pants. This is nerve-wracking."
6:55Um my computer shut down and it started
6:58doing every single update I've ever seen
7:01the [ __ ] do. And I don't feel
7:03like it even does all those updates at
7:05the same time. And at first I was just
7:07kind of joking around like, oh, you
7:08know, something's always preventing me
7:10from talking about this, you know, like
7:11the powers that be or whatever. But I
7:14don't know, does do you have any
7:15thoughts about that? I guess I'm finding
7:17a little concerning now. Um because I am
7:20sort of just had to shift into a mindset
7:22of paranoia. Um cuz weird things do
7:26happen. Anyway,
7:29where do I start with this? Okay, so I'm
7:31not going to tell you the exact details
7:33now because I really do have to preface
7:34this.
7:36Something interesting is that I was
7:38going to run the part two tonight and I
7:40know I was going to last night and I
7:41didn't and I am sorry for that, but it
7:44was actually for a very lovely reason
7:45for me too. My best friends for my youth
7:47surprised me and I, you know, they
7:49thought I didn't have a live stream last
7:51night. My sons I did one the night
7:52before. They're like, "I didn't think
7:53you did one two nights in a row." So,
7:55um, that was very cool. And I thought I
7:57was just running out to grab a couple
7:59things. So, my phone was on low battery
8:01and I think I like communicated with and
8:04then I then they grabbed me and I
8:06couldn't even communicate. So, I am very
8:07sorry about that, but I'm really
8:08grateful that happened because I need to
8:10see them. It was awesome. It was very
8:11refreshing and wonderful. You know, old
8:13friends can do so much for your soul,
8:14right?
8:15Um, and they didn't want to tell me they
8:16were coming in town cuz they were like,
8:18"Well, you know, you're already all so
8:20super stressed recently and we don't
8:22want you to stress about, you know,
8:23getting the house ready for guests."
8:25Which was very nice of them cuz I would
8:26have been stressed about it. Um, I would
8:29have loved to do it, but you know, it's
8:31it's it's always just another thing,
8:32right? Um,
8:36train of thought trying to organize.
8:38Okay, so I did the part one and the part
8:41two is much more extensive, meaty, long,
8:43filled with information that you might
8:45not be aware of, information that hasn't
8:47been connected in the proper way or
8:49information that I know that you don't
8:50know because nobody knew it until you
8:52know we did the work to know it. Um, so
8:55I, you know, lay that all out, however
8:57that happens. And then you know it it
9:00ends with recapping questions that I
9:03posed throughout
9:05that part two about okay now that we
9:07know this this is a question and this is
9:10a really important question now that we
9:12know this a question we used to have
9:14that's been answered here's the answer
9:16again everybody welcome to our new
9:18reality let's all get on the same page
9:20because you know I just feel like there
9:22is no point in all of us chasing our
9:25tails you know like like we like and and
9:30it's not always chasing our tails, but
9:32recently it's felt like that. And I love
9:34that there's so much interest in this
9:35case or any case where there's issues of
9:38justice or humanity open and you know,
9:41not handled properly. But, you know,
9:44it's like a lot of people saying the
9:46same things over and over again,
9:47including myself. I am guilty. I am
9:49judging no one. I am making an
9:51observation that I include myself in the
9:53topic group here. Um, so I'm like, "All
9:56right, I need to either stop talking
9:58about this case full stop or um, but I'm
10:02not ready to do that because I have a
10:04lot to say and there's still a lot of
10:05crap in that vault that I have to dump
10:07out. Um, and I just can't leave can't
10:10leave it alone till it's empty." And
10:13I've had a few things come up where I
10:14felt like, you know what, I think I
10:16think this is forward movement. I don't
10:17know what forward movement feels like in
10:18this case because it's not usually
10:20available. Um, didn't even know if it
10:23was a reality, but this feels like it.
10:24So that's great. I'm going to stick with
10:25it. Um, but I wanted to, you know, put
10:29out some, you know, with the MLM stuff.
10:32I feel like that's important just
10:33because for my own personal reasons and
10:35for the safety of people out there
10:36because MLMs are becoming increasingly
10:38predatory. But we are not going to talk
10:39about that tonight because that would
10:40spin me way off topic. and also this
10:43huge and most important issue of justice
10:45for Shannan and her unborn baby, for
10:48Bella and for Cece and for their family
10:51members and friends who are suffering.
10:52Even if they don't know, they deserve
10:55better. They do and we know it. And
10:59I have to see it through. But I don't
11:01want to just keep running around the
11:02same hamster wheel. So, I've been trying
11:04to give you
11:06upgraded quality of information. And I I
11:08think that's been happening.
11:10I guess the proof of that is I hope the
11:13investigative efforts for all of that
11:16resulted in what I learned today, which
11:19happened to be literally a bulk of the
11:24answers to the questions that I ended up
11:27posing at the end of the part two, which
11:32um
11:33same bad time right here and channel
11:36unless that's the night that Jen Sto
11:38gets arrested. subrosa then we're going
11:39to party that night here
11:42um
11:44you know and it's going to mean a lot
11:46more now I think the whole you know all
11:48of the content in there all the
11:49information in there and we can tie it
11:51together with what is known now so I
11:54think that is really blowing my mind how
11:57that all happened and I'm nervous but
11:59I'm encouraged because it feels very
12:03much like forward movement and for the
12:05first time since I have and you know
12:10obsessed with the watts case. Um I can
12:13see I can clearly see I can you know map
12:16out in my head a possible actually more
12:21than one possible path to actual
12:25complete justice for Shannan and for
12:28Bella and for Celeste and for that
12:30unborn baby. And that is so super
12:33encouraging and I think that a lot of
12:35you are going to see that too if I can
12:37explain things correctly.
12:40Let's see now
12:45but
12:46okay. Okay. Awesome. Kathy Yeah,
12:49Kathleen McKenna author Kathleen and my
12:51friend more than anything Kathleen
12:52McKenna who is with us in chat but she
12:54was having some difficulties. So she
12:56says hello to everybody. Um she's going
12:58to be on live stream um this coming
13:00Saturday night. definitely be here for
13:01that.
13:04All right. So, we have never known
13:07exactly what
13:09law enforcement and district attorney
13:12Ror
13:13um I kind of see him as being the person
13:15that takes the brunt of the
13:17responsibility for the eventual outcome
13:20of this case, whether wonderful or
13:22horrific. Um, at this point, I I mean, I
13:25wouldn't call it horrific, but I'd call
13:26it [ __ ] up and like not done, dude.
13:30Right. So, um, you know, Chris is behind
13:33bars. Awesome. Stay there forever. Eat
13:36your ear wax. You're disgusting. Grow a
13:39pair and take some responsibility for
13:41your life. You know, I mean,
13:44I mean, it's like every single time I
13:46ever have, and this still continues, you
13:48know, rewatch, you know, like his
13:49interviews, you know, right after this
13:52horrible thing he did happened or from
13:54Dodge Correctional. I'm just more
13:56disgusted every time. You're like, damn,
13:58I thought I could not possibly be more
14:00disgusted with another human being. And
14:01oh, here I am. But it's Chris Watts
14:03again.
14:05He's to just horrible.
14:08Um, not going to say anything more about
14:10that. Okay.
14:12Oops. Sorry. Let me just turn off my
14:13ring. No, it's Thank you for texting and
14:16loving and caring. I just want to turn
14:17my ringer off because it's like
14:18seriously right next to my speaker here.
14:19Okay. And can you guys hear me? Okay.
14:21the live stream, the soda live stream
14:22the other night when I went back and
14:24listened to it, it sounded like I was
14:26like, you know, the newest exhibit at
14:28SeaWorld and you know, I I needed a
14:31really large tank. So, I want to make
14:32sure you guys can hear me. Okay, can you
14:34guys hear me? Okay, I just want to get
14:35some feedback in chat before I move
14:36forward.
14:38And how's everyone doing? I don't think
14:40I gave you a proper greeting, but I'm
14:42nervous again and tired.
14:46Um, let's see. And I know people are
14:49watching. And hello people. And hello
14:51and thank you to the people that helped
14:54with all of this. And hello and whatever
14:57to the other people that I know are
14:58watching. I know. I know. I see you. I
15:01see you. Don't you worry. It's 2024. We
15:04have technology. I see you. Don't worry.
15:08Um,
15:10let's see.
15:13Oh, hey. Hey, Chris. So, great to see
15:15you. How are you doing? Thank you so
15:16much for the super chat. My um my aura
15:19ring told me to rest. I'm on the couch.
15:23That's good. Was that was that in
15:26relation to something else or was that
15:28to me or was that is is is your couch
15:31preventing me from talking about this
15:33case? I'm just kidding. It's really
15:34great to see you. Hi Powerwoman Radio.
15:35How are you? Hey Na, how's it going? I'm
15:37not going to say hi to everybody because
15:38I love all of you and I want to say hi
15:41to everybody, but there you guys are all
15:43great. You know how much I appreciate
15:44you. I just want to get down to the
15:46bottom of the chat here so I can learn
15:48about how the sound sounds, how the
15:50audio is,
15:53the level of quality of the current
15:54audio.
15:58I know my heart I god I've been like I
16:01tried to go for a walk right before the
16:02live stream. I was just talking to Nancy
16:04and my girl forever forever captain
16:07moderator person that wants the
16:08obsession. She's been with me forever
16:10and she's I can't even tell you how
16:11amazing she is and how much how well she
16:13knows this case. If I give you one piece
16:16of advice ever that you should
16:18definitely follow anybody, no matter who
16:20you are, don't [ __ ] with Nancy.
16:23Especially as it pertains to the Watts
16:24case, because she will slam you down
16:27like you don't even matter. Right,
16:29Nance?
16:31Seriously though, she's tough. She's
16:33awesome and she's smart. So, I was
16:35talking to Nancy. I was trying to go for
16:36a walk cuz I really needed some fresh
16:38air to calm my nerves and just cuz I've
16:39been sitting at my computer so long and
16:42I had to come right home because it's
16:44like there's skunks everywhere. I smell
16:46them. I see their little white stripes
16:48and I do not want to get sprayed or even
16:50worse bitten because you know rabies
16:53is an everinccreasing problem.
17:01[Music]
17:03Thank you Jody. I know. I just want to I
17:05just really want to know about the audio
17:06that I'm going to move forward. I'm st
17:07I'm stalling to get feedback on the
17:09audio.
17:12Hi LJ. Awesome. Glad to see you up
17:14there. Thank Hey Tammy. How are you
17:16doing? Um audio. Audio. How's the audio
17:19guys? Mods. Anyone?
17:21Okay. Yes. No. Dude, I need feedback.
17:29Okay, cool. Thank you, Muk Boys. Muk boy
17:32stepping up to the plate with a hard to
17:35achieve task of saying audio sucks or
17:38it's gonna I'm just kidding guys. I'm
17:39just picking on you. Thank you. I
17:40appreciate that. Thank you, Jody. And I
17:42know some of you guys answered, but the
17:43chat's moving a little fast for me
17:45because I was way up at the top and I'd
17:46scroll down to the bottom. So, yeah.
17:51Okay.
17:52Thank you guys. Okay, now you can stop
17:55talking about the freaking I'm just
17:56kidding. I'm just kidding. Okay. So, we
17:59never knew exactly what investigators
18:00knew, what Ror knew about, well, okay, a
18:04number of things. What NK knew exactly,
18:07did they know exactly what her role in
18:09this whole horrific event was?
18:12Did they know and turn the other cheek?
18:16Like, not in the good Christian way, but
18:18in like the lazy or corrupt investigator
18:20or district attorney way, right? Um, did
18:24they do they know some things or some
18:27things that we totally do not know that
18:30they know
18:32and they've just done a really good job
18:34concealing that? And if they do know
18:37those things that we do not know they
18:38know or they think that we should know
18:40that they know, you know what I mean? um
18:44are they um against the best interest of
18:48public the public withholding
18:51information
18:53that you know I I'm assume I mean they
18:56aren't holding withholding anything that
18:58reflects
19:00that reflects fondly upon anybody
19:02because that's just not what they do
19:03right so if they are withholding things
19:06from the public that we should know or
19:07that we have a right to know whether it
19:09rises to the level of corruption or a
19:11legal issue or an infringement upon on
19:13rights and liberties. Um, you know,
19:18why are they doing that? How bad is it?
19:21And is it all about Nicole Kessinger?
19:22Because I feel like there's some things
19:24and I do feel like they're all about her
19:25really. And now
19:30we know one of those things.
19:34That's a big one of those things because
19:36it has so many implications. And no, it
19:38is not that she was, you know, there and
19:41took part in, you know, committing the
19:43atrocity in, you know, the the peak of
19:46it, but it is pretty damn screwed up.
19:50And when you follow it through to its
19:52logical conclusion and also when you
19:54follow the receipts through until the
19:58end at this, you know, in this time and
20:01day because we're going to we're going
20:02to keep on this and that we we have
20:04further to go and we have made headway
20:06and we have
20:08resources and sources and there's been a
20:11lot of communication going on. A lot of
20:13people that I or these
20:15some of you have been in meetings with
20:18me or have talked just me and you,
20:20another person that were really really
20:23involved in this case, you know, kind of
20:24the characters that we recognize and
20:26this will all be discussed someday, but
20:27right now is not the time because
20:31um they're either concerned about their
20:33own well-being. They just don't know
20:36because they lost a friend, such a good
20:38friend, or they're so close to it. If if
20:40they want
20:42this to be a huge part of their lives
20:44right now because as soon as I say a
20:46name
20:47then well we know for damn sure Zoki is
20:50going to say that name and so are a lot
20:52of other creators on YouTube and Tik Tok
20:55and wherever else and they should and
20:57good that's like what we want right um
21:00when other people get information I I
21:02say that information you know as long as
21:04they're cool with it and that's what we
21:06should do that's how like we learn new
21:08things right and we can together as a
21:10community be part of justice.
21:16Um, and
21:19sorry. All right. I'm going to not look
21:21at my phone for a little bit, guys,
21:22because I keep trying to check your text
21:23and I love you guys so much, but I a
21:25terrible multitasker and I'm already a
21:27little distracted. Um,
21:32here I'm just going to play a little
21:34video for you and just give my voice a
21:36break, too, because it's a little horse.
21:39As you all know, it was like a week and
21:41a half ago. I went back to my career
21:43career career behavioral therapist job
21:45with my students who are amazing but
21:48also full of energy and naughty naughty
21:50things.
21:52And um I've been working a lot and
21:56speaking loudly a lot and
21:59and yeah. Okay.
22:02All the things all the things I've been
22:04doing. All of the things that mean that
22:06I need a freaking vacation. So, um,
22:10whoever it is that keeps like shutting
22:11off my computer, if you want to like
22:14talk, we can work something out behind
22:15the scenes, but it's going to be an all
22:17expense paid trip. Not like a Thrive all
22:19expense paid trip, but an all expense
22:22paid trip many times a year to wherever
22:25I want to go. And I have, you know, I I
22:27have a wish list and if you want to
22:29price that out and see if I will accept
22:31your deal, we can talk. Otherwise, stop
22:34messing with my computer, man. Freaks me
22:36out.
22:39And don't worry, my computer is like
22:41freaking it's like protected by the Navy
22:44Seals. This guy has got like
22:47Yeah, it's good. I don't feel I don't
22:49feel like I have vulnerable information,
22:51but it's just a pain in the butt. Okay.
22:55So in
23:04and
23:07within 20 minutes or so I'm going to be
23:08tell telling you all of this without you
23:10know kind of working around it. But I'm
23:12I'm also waiting to for um
23:16the what's the obsession legal team who
23:18is well you know he's a professional.
23:21He's charging. He's charging the channel
23:23exactly what way she should be when I
23:24ask him to do something at the last
23:26minute on a Sunday night. And you got to
23:27do it now. Seriously, now. I don't care
23:29what you're doing. Please drop. You
23:30gotta do it. And thank you so much for
23:32doing that. Um
23:36I am waiting to hear back two questions
23:39I had to so I don't screw things up.
23:50Sorry, I'm looking for a video here and
23:55it's going to give you the background.
23:58I'm gonna make a connection and then
24:01we're diving into the meat of the big
24:05deal.
24:07It's a really big deal.
24:10Does any if you Well, I want to do this
24:12in an organized way cuz I'm wondering if
24:13anyone has like I don't think I've given
24:15you any like specific hints at all. I'd
24:17be so surprised. I know like Nancy and
24:21Kathleen and Jod and Kez. I've told you
24:24all and Chris like a bit about it or
24:27Nancy kind of the most about it.
24:31But other than you guys, if anybody like
24:33even got close, I it would be
24:37surprising.
24:43Okay, Kelly, you are looking for the
24:49bombshell part one. So, just focus your
24:53eyes.
24:56Identify the thumbnails as being it or
24:59not. Scroll. There we go. Jeez, I'm
25:02really like not focused right now.
25:06Okay.
25:10Thank you for your patience with
25:13my scatteredness.
25:16I was planning on doing the part two as
25:18a um
25:20premiere which does not require me to
25:21talk a lot because of like just like
25:23quality my voice right now and it's
25:27just a little less it's a little you
25:29know if I'm not on my agame it's fine
25:31who cares I'm just in chat
25:33you no one will ever know it I um so
25:37yeah
25:42all right now I don't want to do a
25:44repeat of everything we already. No, no,
25:46no, no. Cuz we've already, you know,
25:48really really talked about it. But um
25:51yeah, there's some
25:54there's some connections. There's a lot
25:56of connections. Where shall I start?
26:02God, there's so much that that could be
26:04said right now.
26:08But this is not going to be obviously
26:10like one time conversation. This this
26:12really is huge and there is a lot to be
26:13said and there's a lot to be talked
26:15about and now there's a lot to go back
26:17over. I feel like that's always
26:19happening but now we can go back over
26:21things with more meaning and purpose and
26:24direction. So we aren't a bunch of raid
26:27red squirrels chasing our tails.
26:31I'm not sure why we're red, but
26:33apparently we are.
26:39All right.
26:45witness that was granted by the FBI
26:48star. We all know that she was a pro. Oh
26:50man, I was uh the video I want to show
26:52you tonight, but I can't I can't I can't
26:56It has to be shown all together. It
26:58doesn't make sense. But the information
27:00is better. But be back Tuesday and we'll
27:02do that. Attorney Ror had to say about
27:05Nicole Kessinger first speaking with the
27:07authorities and then I'm going to tell
27:09you how it really went down.
27:12The intense media coverage leads to an
27:14unexpected tip. Law enforcement got a
27:17phone call from a woman named Nicole
27:18Kessinger. She says that she had
27:20information and was offering to be
27:22interviewed as part of this
27:23investigation to offer up to
27:24investigators what she knew. As you're
27:26going to see later on in this video when
27:28we look at some of Nicole Kassingers's
27:30mindblowing statements from her final
27:33interview with law enforcement on August
27:3526, 2018. Heavens to hell. Everyone,
27:38hold on a second. I got to about anyone
27:41else.
28:57There we go. Oh my god. Cool.
29:00I got scared that if this was taken down
29:02from it there because if it was then I
29:04was Yeah, that would be bad.
29:07Um,
29:09yeah, we guys got to be good in chat and
29:12stuff and, you know, be gracious to
29:13YouTube. Hit that freaking like, please
29:16share. Tell YouTube they're awesome.
29:19Tell Google you think they should make
29:20more money and you admire everything
29:22they do because this is really I
29:26important
29:29and a little sensitive.
29:32Okay.
29:36mindblowing statements from her final
29:39interview with law enforcement on August
29:4126, 2018. Nicole Kessinger tends to not
29:45really care about anyone else. Not a
29:47goddamn person in the world other than
29:50herself. So, I don't believe that Nicole
29:52Kessinger started singing like a bird
29:54out of the kindness of her heart,
29:56wanting to help justice or because she
29:59cared about what happened to Schnan.
30:01Certainly not. or well my Kelly you are
30:04so wise you know I found out some
30:07information today and you are exactly
30:08right well thank you I think we all knew
30:10that all along right she shows us who
30:13she is but you know now we are crystal
30:18clear on another and possibly
30:23and this could only be known being her
30:25freaking skanky empanada head empanata
30:28Stevie empanata Veronica head.
30:32Um,
30:34there is another major motivation that
30:38she had that I I think is I I personally
30:41believe this is just my belief though is
30:43probably the the primary and exclusive
30:48reason that she did end up talking to
30:51law enforcement.
30:53I didn't see it coming. It's kind of
30:56like back there like is a player in this
30:58whole thing, but we know now and we know
31:03now. Um, and I'm gonna share with you
31:07some of those receipt sources too in
31:10very shortly. Bella or Celeste.
31:14So, why is it Nicole Kessinger ended up
31:16speaking to law enforcement to the FBI
31:18on that first day on the 15th, 2 days
31:20after the murder on that very same day
31:22that she was declared by the Oh, wait a
31:24minute. Hold it. I know. I know. I know.
31:26I think I just learned this in class
31:28today. I know. I know what the answer
31:29is. Sh. Don't say it out loud. The rest
31:33of the class still needs to learn about
31:34this. Okay. Shoot. Okay. Okay. Sorry,
31:37guys. I'm just teasing you now. Okay.
31:40I just love that we got the answers to
31:42these questions. This is so awesome.
31:44This means we are moving forward. It is
31:47so
31:48hopeful. It's so good. The FBI, a
31:52protected witness. Why did she talk to
31:55them? I know. Check this out from the
31:57discovery. It should be noted that
31:59approximately 3 hours before the
32:00polygraph was scheduled to begin at 8
32:03a.m., I received a phone call from
32:04Anadarko regional security manager Tony
32:07Husky. Husky advised me he had reviewed
32:10Chris's computer and it was possible
32:12Chris had started up a relationship with
32:13an Anarco contracted employee. He had
32:17located emails between Chris and the
32:19contracted employee, Nicole or Nikki
32:21Kassinger. So, we know that law
32:23enforcement knew about the affair at 500
32:26a.m. on August 15th, three hours before
32:29the polygraph exam was about to start.
32:31And it was not until a couple hours
32:33later, that Nicole Kessinger called law
32:36enforcement. Ah, listen, this is
32:38something else that just got like kind
32:40of on the side confirmed um from from
32:43the source and you know, this whole
32:45process of what we're doing. Yeah, to
32:47that is accurate. Tony Husky did contact
32:50and speak voice to voice well first an
32:53email then immediately to follow um a
32:56phone conversation and then there was an
32:57inerson meeting too um you know around
33:01like right around 5:08 on that morning
33:03we were right that's when it was we put
33:04the pieces together it was pretty
33:06obvious that's when it happened and he
33:10also talked with them
33:13the prior evening and I do not know why
33:17that is um maybe somebody else that this
33:21other I might be able to find that out.
33:25But I was thinking about I was like why
33:26is that? Can you guys think of a reason
33:29why that would have been? Because I
33:30think that's going to be really
33:31meaningful too. But um there's there's
33:34there's something we can check off the
33:35list that's bad
33:39by a source.
33:42If Anadarko is like any other
33:44corporation in America, then if
33:47something like this were to happen and
33:48they were to be implicating their and
33:51doing anything wrong, whether it be from
33:53an affair or have something to do with
33:54such an egregious crime, they would need
33:56to let that employee know immediately.
33:59So, was it the fact that Tony Husky
34:02caught on to the affair between Chris
34:05Watts and Nicole Kessinger via the
34:07emails that he located that triggered
34:09Anandaro to contact Nicole Kessinger
34:11about it? that triggered Nicole
34:13Kessinger to finally go to law
34:15enforcement. I think that is more likely
34:17the case than Nicole going to law
34:19enforcement on her. And there's another
34:22very important and glaring reason for
34:24Nicole Kassinger. It's all to save her
34:26own skin. And it also proves to us once
34:28again that she is one shady ass
34:30[ __ ] Nicole, you are one shady
34:33ass empanada. Look at you.
34:37Still likes to play with blacks. Yeah,
34:39that's your boyfriend's shirt. You know
34:40what? He wears that because he has two
34:43little girls and a little boy on the
34:46way. That's not going to be yours. No,
34:47no, no. Boo boo psycho, go find a man
34:51who's actually available. Stop stalking
34:53wives, passenger.
34:56Seriously, her own valition because she
34:59has a strong conscience. Let's take a
35:02listen and go a little further.
35:06What did that cause you to do with your
35:07phone, though?
35:09Oh, what? When I deleted those, I was
35:12just kind of grossed out by him, to be
35:14honest with you. I was just like, I
35:16don't know what's going on right now,
35:17but you just lied to me and I don't want
35:20to see this come over my phone anymore.
35:22So, I removed it. So, you just you
35:26already said, but and I also did
35:28something else that was pretty freaking
35:30criminal and highly implicating of my
35:32involvement in this even more horrible
35:35crime. And I also needed to remove
35:39evidence of that.
35:41Kelly, will you tell them all what I did
35:43in just a few minutes because I feel
35:45really guilty. No, you don't, [ __ ]
35:48You're just trying to like make sure
35:49you're saving face with our viewers
35:51here. So, why don't you go back to
35:53whining and putting your little show for
35:54Kevin Kobach? I'm sure he'll buy it.
35:56Hook, line, and sinker. And we will see
35:59you in orange eventually.
36:02You removed text messages. I deleted all
36:04of his stuff because he lied to me. I
36:06mean, that's what it was. It was it was
36:07the hurt that made me delete it and then
36:11it was the lie. The lie start
36:14questioning everything else you've been
36:15telling me for the last few days. And
36:17that's when you decided to come forward.
36:18Yes.
36:20Now, if you've heard all these lies that
36:22Nicole Kender has told before, don't you
36:24worry because we're just getting warmed
36:26up. A thanks girl. Out of breath.
36:30Before we get into the stunning
36:33admissions and statements that she made
36:35in her fifth and final interview with
36:37law enforcement on August 28th, 2018,
36:40let's just briefly recall the basis of
36:44what she said to the FBI on that very
36:46first day when she met with them, the
36:48first of her five interviews. Remember,
36:51it was on that very same day on August
36:5315th. I'm just going to tell you we have
36:55about 10 more minutes of material review
36:57here that you know I'm just playing this
36:59because it establishes the foundation
37:01that I need to introduce the the the the
37:06huge stuff. So, um
37:10it gives it the most meaning we can
37:12have. We you can all have your freaking
37:14brilliant thoughts from there and I'm
37:15sure you'll help me think of things I
37:17haven't even thought of, which is going
37:18to help this whole process of us
37:20uncovering things quicker and moving
37:22things quicker along. Thank you so much
37:23for doing that, you smart little devils.
37:26And um yeah, but that just has to
37:27happen. So I just want to give you an
37:29expectation there. There's part of this
37:31video here where I don't know what
37:32happened, but my video quits and the
37:34audio keeps going. So you're just
37:35staring at this really close-up part of
37:37discovery for a moment, but it's okay.
37:38Close your eyes and visualize. It's all
37:40good.
37:42before the first of her five interviews
37:44ended that the FBI decided that Nicole
37:48Kessinger will be authet
37:52Ed witness
37:56more than one and we kind of talked and
37:58passed and then started to get to know
38:00each other. We started hanging out
38:01pretty frequently around I want to say
38:03like the last week of June somewhere
38:05around there. He informed me that he did
38:08have kids and he also told me that he
38:11was currently in the process of the
38:13separation from his wife. As far as I
38:16know that was becoming finalized. Now,
38:18one of the fundamental problems is that
38:20when Nicole Kassinger started dating
38:22Chris Watts, divorce was not on the
38:25horizon whatsoever for Shannan and
38:28Chris. Nobody was planning it. It had
38:31not been discussed. But divorce was not
38:34going to be in their future at all. I
38:37think even when Chris Watts started
38:39dating Nicole Kessinger, divorce was not
38:41in his future with his marriage to his
38:44wife Shannan. Well, we know at least
38:46that is true because in the only email
38:49correspondence between Chris Watts and
38:50Nicole Kessinger, which all happened on
38:53June 12th, 2018, Nicole Kessinger says
38:57this to Chris Watts.
38:59I'm looking for someone to build a
39:01beautiful life with. Seems so simple,
39:04but so unrealistic sometimes. Build
39:06something similar to what you have done
39:09with your wife and those cute little
39:11girls. I do believe in karma. So out of
39:16respect for myself, you and your family,
39:18I think it's best if we keep that
39:21friendship at work. It's only at a
39:24certain point during that relationship,
39:276 weeks as they tell it, did the idea of
39:31divorce become a reality. That
39:34fundamental lie that Nicole Kessinger
39:36told law enforcement from right off the
39:38bat is a lie that she had to contend
39:41with throughout all of the five hours
39:44upon hours upon hours of interviews with
39:47law enforcement all throughout. And I
39:51hope she's still contending with it
39:52today in her conscience. After all, as I
39:56know that y'all know, this was an
39:58absolutely horrific, egregious,
40:01unthinkable
40:03case that deserved the most earnest,
40:06hardworking investigation and
40:08investigators and nothing but the truth
40:11from anybody who could provide a truth
40:15that might allow investigators, the
40:18families of the victims, and the world
40:20to better understand this heinous crime.
40:25My name is Michael J. Ror. I'm the
40:26district attorney here in Weld County,
40:28Colorado. I was the lead prosecutor on
40:30the Christopher Watts case. And if you
40:32truly want complete justice for the
40:34victims of this case, then right here,
40:36my friend, is one of your one of our
40:40biggest problems. And although District
40:42Attorney work might not lie as much as
40:45Nicole Kessinger as it relates to this
40:47case, in fact, he certainly doesn't. I
40:49mean, he's got the record hands down on
40:51that. He does tell lies to the public,
40:55to his public, to the people that he's
40:57supposed to be serving and the people
40:59around the world who are terrorized by
41:01this case.
41:04H Oh yeah, there's a little know there's
41:07a little audio blip here and then the
41:08video. I don't know what happened. Sure
41:11it was my fault cuz I made the video.
41:12Sorry.
41:15He tells blatant lies about what he
41:18knows about Nicole Kessinger's part in
41:21this crime, about what she knew, about
41:23what perhaps she did. Clearly, this was
41:27an attempt to just keep everyone happy
41:29so he could get his conviction, but not
41:32try or even begin to actually
41:35investigate the case to do the work. But
41:38maybe maybe there were also more
41:40sinister reasons for his lies. My name
41:44is Michael J. Ror. I'm the district
41:45attorney here in Wel County, Colorado. I
41:47was the lead prosecutor on the
41:48Christopher Watts case. Nicole Kassinger
41:50turned out to have information that I
41:52can best describe as being a bombshell.
41:54Let's take a quick look at what it is we
41:57know that District Attorney Ror knows
42:00about Nicole Kessinger and her role in
42:04the investigation
42:07and her role in Chris Watt's life during
42:10the time that was being investigated,
42:11which was prior to and contemporaneous
42:14to the murders of Shannan, Bella,
42:16Celeste, and Baby Nico. The girlfriend
42:19you referenced in court, can you give us
42:21a better uh idea of her role in the
42:22investigation? and how forthcoming she
42:24was and how she helped.
42:26She originally came forward and and
42:28spoke to investigators on her own
42:30valition.
42:32Prior to the time, unfortunately, that
42:34she came in and spoke with
42:35investigators, she had deleted all of
42:37the information off of her phone that
42:39had any connection between her and Chris
42:40Watts. That hampered the investigation.
42:43Um that hampered our ability to get that
42:46electronic digital um connection between
42:48the two.
42:50She was interviewed on multiple
42:52occasions. I believe that for the most
42:54part she was forthcoming in the course
42:56of those investigations.
43:00Phone though, you know, it's like I I
43:02believe for the most part she was
43:04forthcoming in those um interviews or
43:07interrogation, whatever he just said. Um
43:10in and just the way he says it too, he
43:12doesn't mean it. Not at all. And just
43:14like by the way, as I pointed out, I
43:17actually tallied it up recently. The
43:19total minutes, hours and minutes of
43:23recorded interview, except for the part
43:25for those two phone interviews that were
43:27super inappropriate anyway, that Kevin
43:29Kobach did not follow up with those
43:31appropriate investigative notes for the
43:33record
43:34for the record of law, which is about
43:36what we're doing here, Kobach. Um, but
43:39then we have the the manuscripts and
43:40transcripts for that I read out on the
43:42channel in two different videos. They're
43:43on the 17th and 23rd. I did create a
43:46playlist of NK's interview that is a
43:48complete playlist as far as we know of
43:51every single word that she uttered
43:54through an interview that was either
43:56audio recorded or not because well, we
43:59don't want them to hear that, but it's
44:00okay. I got it anyway. And I think it's
44:03something like eight hours and 47
44:05minutes. So to say that I to think that
44:08for the most part she was forthcoming I
44:11don't [ __ ] know was like his attitude
44:13that's not saying much because if you're
44:15blabbing for 8 hours and 47 minutes
44:20and for most of it work hey man guess
44:23what hey buddy I know what you know I
44:26know what you know knew at that time at
44:28least the stuff that I wanted to know if
44:30you knew it or not at that time and you
44:33know exactly what was going on.
44:35bold-faced lie to the public. Shame on
44:38you. I hope you don't ever have the
44:40nerve to ask the public for their vote,
44:44their their literal vote or their vote
44:46of confidence in your work anymore. And
44:48I hope Oh god, let's see. We have like a
44:50month and a half. Is anyone here from
44:52Colorado and licensed to practice law?
44:55If not, do you know anyone in Colorado
44:57who is licensed to practice law? Because
44:59we need to find one of those people real
45:02quick. Get them over to Well County. Um,
45:04I probably can find somebody who can
45:07vouch for them having an address in Weld
45:08County for at least 6 months. It's all
45:10good. Let's get them on the ticket cuz
45:14we're we're
45:16Anyway, um
45:19I'm sorry just about that one thing he
45:21says there. It sticks strongly with me
45:24every time
45:27and for good reason.
45:30I just want to get to the part here
45:32where I'm talking about David Prill or
45:36is Michael Prill? My brain's a little
45:37fuzzy right now. Michael Prill,
45:39detective who
45:42authors the timeline in the discovery
45:45and the commentary on it, including the
45:47introduction to it. Um, and if you'll
45:52remember when we discussed the part one
45:53and in this part one video, um, we we c
45:56we I for the first time really
46:00appreciated some super important
46:02interesting things that he wrote and you
46:04guys helped me realize a couple other
46:06things. So, thank you. And together we
46:08understood that that was really
46:09important. As soon as we hear about
46:11that, then I can go into what I'm
46:14allowed to say about
46:16new information. Oh, what? When I
46:19deleted those, I was just kind of
46:21grossed out by him to be honest with
46:22you. I was just like, I don't know
46:24what's going on right now, but you just
46:26lied to me and I don't want to see this
46:29come over my phone anymore. So, I
46:31removed it. So, you just you already
46:34said, but you removed text messages. I
46:36deleted all of his stuff because he lied
46:38to me. I mean, that's what it was. It
46:40was It was the hurt that made me delete
46:43it. And then, now listen, I'm gonna tell
46:45you this. when he's asking these
46:47questions here. Okay. Kobach knows when
46:51and you know how Oh, yeah. Okay. And
46:53this is just clicking for me. You know
46:54how he leads her through this whole he
46:58he guides her through this whole
46:59minefield of why did you, you know,
47:02destroy potentially incriminating
47:05evidence. Um, which by the way can very
47:08well likely would in this case carry
47:11felony charges against your skanky
47:13little ass in Colorado. Why'd you do
47:16that, Enk? Why?
47:19Why? Why? You're such a little hottie. I
47:23have a big crush on you. Why couldn't
47:24you just be an upstanding citizen?
47:26Because those are the kind that I like.
47:27I am in law enforcement, you know. Why
47:30did you do it?
47:32Let me just guide you through this. We
47:34now know
47:37that he had to do that
47:40for her sake, for what she wanted out of
47:45going to them in the first place. Her
47:48main reason for even participating in
47:50this investigation
47:52to find Shenan, Bella, Celeste, and know
47:55what happened to that poor unborn little
47:57baby. She didn't give a [ __ ] about them.
48:00And
48:03he also knew I got to be careful. Hold
48:05it.
48:08He also knew
48:13by her own admission that happened at
48:17the front end of things when she and her
48:19dad started wheeling the deal in.
48:23Hey, here we are. Law enforcement.
48:26Okay, listen. You're investigating this.
48:29I got to tell you something.
48:31Um, don't know if you know this or not,
48:33but blah blah blah blah. You know, yes,
48:35of course they know the reaction. But
48:37hey, listen. While I was dating, dude,
48:42[ __ ] Dad, dad, can you just like tell
48:44them for me? Dad, I don't know how it
48:47went down. Honestly, I didn't learn
48:49about that. Um, you know, she made them
48:51aware that there she was terrified
48:55of being charged of it with another
48:58other another another other crimes and
49:01there is information on my phone about
49:04that that would be incriminating. Um,
49:08and um, listen, I'll tell you everything
49:12you want to know about Chris Watson. I
49:15know all the goods. I Oh my gosh. I'm
49:18gonna I'm gonna help you with this
49:19investigation. I'm going to make sure
49:21you guys look like heroes, that you get
49:25awards and rewards and plaques and
49:28statues and things that are taller than
49:30the tallest man alive that stand erected
49:33in the Wells County criminal whatever
49:36cuz that's exactly what happened, right?
49:38I'm going to make you heroes, but this
49:40is what I need. And really, in the grand
49:41scheme of things, we're considering
49:43murders of babies and [ __ ] It's not
49:44that big a deal. Listen, this is what um
49:47what I did, guys. And um initially,
49:52they just granted her what she wanted.
49:56Then I'm not going to say anything more
49:57right now. Let me just get through the
49:58Michael Pearl part and then I'll
49:59continue that.
50:04Then it was the lie that made me start
50:07questioning everything else he'd been
50:08telling me for the last few days. And
50:10that's when you decided to come forward.
50:11Yes. So just for context, yes. When
50:15people delete stuff off phones, usually
50:17we go, "Hold on a second." And that's
50:20why I wanted
50:22this at all. He dude, oh my god, he lied
50:25to me. It just hurt like I had never
50:27felt now that I know what I know and
50:29that you're going to know in just a
50:30couple. I'm so sorry. I'm not mean to be
50:32a jerk by doing this, but just the only
50:34way that or I'm going to miss pieces
50:36that are really important. What he just
50:38said right there is a whole different
50:41meaning and it's crystal clear. Let me
50:43just play that one more time and I'm
50:46going to bookmark it so we can go back
50:47to in a couple minutes. Oh, this is
50:49insane. We know so much more. Move text
50:52messages. I deleted all of his stuff
50:55because he lied to me. I mean, that's
50:56what it was. It was It was the hurt that
50:58made me delete it and then it was the
51:02lie that made me start questioning
51:05everything else he'd been telling me for
51:06the last few days. And that's when you
51:07decided to come forward. Yes. Okay.
51:10Okay. what he says right here. He is
51:12saving he is saying this
51:15not to kind of be like man I always took
51:18it like Jesus you're a little
51:19frustrating woman like or whatever you
51:22are. Um, remember how a lot of people
51:24thought she was actually So, I know a
51:26lot of people do. A lot of learned
51:27people think that. I know. Wink wink. I
51:29see you. I said, "I know. I know. I got
51:31you."
51:32Um,
51:35I always definitely took it like he's
51:36kind of annoyed with her and he had to
51:38act like, you know, he was the adult in
51:41the room at least a little bit,
51:42especially cuz her dad's there watching
51:44and there's that damn video camera over
51:46his shoulder, you know, that she looks
51:49at so many times in all the right, you
51:53know, at all the right moments to let us
51:56clearly know that she is very aware of
52:00the act that she is putting on for a
52:02reason. So, this is so juicy. So, he
52:05didn't say that because he was getting
52:07annoyed with her. He said that for her
52:10benefit because she needed that to be
52:13said, which sounds backwards right now,
52:15but it isn't. And I'm wondering how many
52:18other things we've listened to
52:22that sounded a certain way, but we kind
52:24of got it backwards because, you know, I
52:27don't know, like some people just want
52:30to do their job or I I I I don't I still
52:33don't understand why this went so wrong.
52:36And maybe I know that Ana Darko has more
52:39money than
52:42all of us put together times a lot, but
52:45um don't want to insult anyone's income
52:47or anything. Um
52:50and and I'm sure that that that that
52:52Anarcha was a factor. I mean, they had
52:54to be um entities with that much money
52:58have that much power and they are never
53:00not a player at the table, right? So
53:04there had to be some aspect of that
53:06there. But
53:12how did all of these law enforcement and
53:16professional people, how did they all
53:19get away with doing this? Oh, and I
53:22don't know. I've always thought, you
53:24know, there is incomplete justice
53:25because there is the NK issue now. But,
53:28you know, the it might go for I don't
53:31know. Sorry. Going to keep playing this.
53:33So just for context when people delete
53:36stuff off phones usually we go hold on a
53:40second
53:44at all. He he he lied to me. It just
53:47hurt. Like I had never felt like he'd
53:49ever lied to me before. And it was a big
53:51lie. I mean, telling somebody that
53:53you're in the midst of divorce and then
53:55you
53:58have a wife that has a 15-week old baby
54:02on the way is a huge huge thing. And I
54:07was very taken back and I was just it
54:09was hurt. And so at that point, I just
54:13I like deleted it. I had I had a few
54:16more quick things to say to him and then
54:20I just got rid of that's literally what
54:23I did. I just cut him out of my life. It
54:25would honestly been like a bad breakup
54:26kind of thing. Like if none of this
54:29other stuff would have happened, that's
54:30what it would have been. But I'm the
54:32only millennial in the world that
54:33doesn't know about that block feature on
54:35my cellular device, handheld device
54:41in the end of it. The information was
54:43not destroyed because there was anything
54:45in there that would be harmful to you or
54:49potentially to Chris at this point, but
54:51harmful to you in particular. That's not
54:53why you did it. No, you did it out of
54:55No, no, no, no, no. Unless you're
54:56talking about a different crime
54:57altogether kind of. Sort of. Oh, yikes.
55:00This gets a little murky.
55:03Oh, excuse my language. This guy's an
55:05[ __ ] so I'm getting it rid of him
55:07and I'm getting this stuff off my phone.
55:09That was like me kicking him out of my
55:11life. Okay. And then like I said, and
55:13then realizing that he lied, that was
55:15when I was like, "Okay, maybe his family
55:18is in danger and they're not coming back
55:20and they're not staying with a friend."
55:22So, and even if he was an [ __ ] it's
55:24all good because I am wellversed in
55:26double penetration. And I got another
55:28one somewhere, I think. Anyway, spoken
55:32about this in a number of other videos,
55:33so I don't want to belabor the point,
55:34although it is a critical critical
55:37point. As we are looking at the career
55:39of district attorney Ror, his actions as
55:41it is concerned with the Chris Watts
55:44case and the murders of Shannan Bellis
55:47Celeste and baby Nico and also as far as
55:50the way that she car he characterizes
55:53Miss Nicole Kessinger. He uses
55:55interesting words here such as hampers
55:58the investigation saying rather than I
56:02don't know she obstructs the
56:04investigation which is a felony in
56:07Colorado as is destruction of evidence
56:11which we all know is a crime that Nicole
56:14Kessinger committed as she even says so
56:18herself.
56:21It's important to know that the entire
56:22reason Nicole Kessinger gave law
56:24enforcement for deleting Chris Watt's
56:27messages and anything else having to do
56:28with him off of her phone is a complete
56:31lie. The reason that she gives them is
56:33that she did not know that Chris Watt's
56:35wife, Shannan, was pregnant. And it
56:37wasn't until Tuesday morning, the day
56:38after the murders, when she was reading
56:40the newspaper did she find that out. I
56:44have proven time and time again on this
56:45channel, as have other people, that the
56:48fact that Nicole Kessinger did not know
56:51Shannan was pregnant prior to that
56:52Tuesday, the day after the murders, is a
56:54complete and unequivocal lie. It's just
56:58as important to know that district
57:00attorney Ror also must have known that
57:04the reason Nicole Kassinger gave law
57:06enforcement for deleting all of Chris
57:09Watt's information off of her phone,
57:11including call call records and text
57:14messages. He also knows that's total BS.
57:18Total lie. Through the course of the
57:21investigation, as it outlines in the
57:25discovery, there are several times
57:28during the time period while Nicole
57:31Kessinger was dating Chris Watts before
57:34and after that Nicole Kessinger Googled
57:38the name Shannan Watts, which would have
57:41brought her to Shannan Watts. Joyce, I
57:44got to be up in six hours work, too. And
57:45I was telling some of my matters here, I
57:47have a one of the most important
57:49meetings. I I have a really important
57:51meeting first thing in the morning. I
57:52really am not trying to drag this out
57:53for you. It just
57:57I'm not going to make it make the best
57:58sense and I I don't know. Maybe I should
58:00have just done it anyway. But here we
58:01are. So, moving along Facebook page
58:03where Shannan Watts during the course of
58:06her pregnancy talked many, many, many
58:11times
58:12about how excited she was to be pregnant
58:14and posted about the baby wants to be in
58:17her belly at that moment. And District
58:20Attorney Ror saw all of that.
58:25What else did District Attorney Ror know
58:28about Nicole Kessinger as it relates to
58:30this case? Well, District Attorney Ror
58:34knew about the information contained
58:37within investigator Prill's summary in
58:40the discovery that precedes the official
58:44discovery timeline of the phone data
58:48extraction.
58:50Omitting some important things, but
58:52we'll talk about that later.
58:54It says,
58:57"During my review of the data extracted
58:59from the phones belonging to Chris
59:01Watts, Shannan Watts, and Nicole
59:02Kessinger, certain information was
59:04learned. Agent Darren Ford conducted
59:08logical extractions of the data from the
59:10phones. In conversations with Ford, he
59:13advised that the Northern Colorado
59:15Forensics Laboratory does not possess
59:18technology to perform the physical data
59:20extractions from Apple devices. Thus I
59:23disco discovered the extracted data is
59:26not inclusive of all data stored amongst
59:28the assorted applications within a given
59:30device. Now wait a minute what I'm
59:32saying here and I'm reading kind of
59:33quickly is so important especially today
59:37and for a number of reasons even before
59:39today. Now I was watching um I watched a
59:42couple of channels a couple new
59:45channels. God I meant to remember what
59:46they were so I could recommend them to
59:48found a couple people talking about case
59:50I liked them. One was uh
59:52unapologetically me. I don't think I'd
59:55ever come across her channel before. She
59:57I think she did a great job. I um she
59:59did a really great job. I mean she it
1:00:00was great. And she I just also want to
1:00:02say that she um cited
1:00:05another channel I think does a great
1:00:06job. Um
1:00:08foot oh god get footprints. Oh what is
1:00:10it guys?
1:00:12Oh I'm just tired. I I've I've been I've
1:00:15been aware of this channel. Watched it
1:00:16several times like you know like I I
1:00:18should know the name footprints of
1:00:19murder. I don't know. Something like
1:00:21that. I'm so sorry. I don't know right
1:00:22now. She does a great job. She's very
1:00:24thorough and she says that she in the
1:00:27video that a couple videos I watched of
1:00:28hers anyway, she took some of the video
1:00:30material screenshots from that channel.
1:00:32So, I guess they're like some podico and
1:00:34so I just wanted to in recommending her
1:00:36give that channel credit too. Um, and I
1:00:40watched a video um from
1:00:44crap I can't remember some psychology
1:00:46channel that I normally would know the
1:00:47name of. I'm just too tired.
1:00:52And I can't remember which one of them
1:00:54said because I took notes of a couple
1:00:55things that they both said about the
1:00:58case that I don't mean I sound like I
1:01:01don't mean to sound how I'm going to
1:01:02sound when I'm saying this because I am
1:01:05like a I am like a a obviously a like
1:01:08psycho. I have a channel called watch
1:01:10the obsession. Okay, I get it right. I
1:01:12don't expect and I raise the bar for
1:01:15myself. I better know exactly what I'm
1:01:17talking about and I better get it right
1:01:18if I have the nerve to have a channel
1:01:20with that name and go out there on the
1:01:22streets of YouTube, right? Like that
1:01:25wasn't ever my plan. So, this is all
1:01:26kind of a little weird for me when I
1:01:28think about it. But anyway, one of them
1:01:30said that
1:01:32or maybe it was an peak because I
1:01:33watched one of her videos. said that
1:01:35they found the secret calculator app
1:01:42right away before you know anything was
1:01:44even done with the text messages or
1:01:46whatever and that's one of the reasons I
1:01:48knew about Nicole Ker that is not the
1:01:50case and there's really important
1:01:53reasons why we need to understand that
1:01:55here that's why I'm pointing it out not
1:01:57to let you know that I know more than
1:01:59somebody else because sometimes I know
1:02:00less than somebody else
1:02:03but I'm just starting to lose my mind.
1:02:05So what he's saying here is, you know,
1:02:07they were going through the phone doing
1:02:09a logical extractions. He out of his own
1:02:12like curiosity because like what the
1:02:14freak this is messed up and he clearly
1:02:17had an off feeling about Kessinger and
1:02:21obviously rightfully so I think he was
1:02:23probably the most onto her and willing
1:02:27to
1:02:29you know do what what he needed to do as
1:02:31a law enforcement dude to hold her
1:02:33accountable. I feel that Bomb Hover was
1:02:35the same way and I don't really see any
1:02:38of the other key players as being that
1:02:39way. Maybe they weren't. I'm just not
1:02:40aware. I don't know. But I really had
1:02:42the sense that he was on to her. I mean,
1:02:43he lets us know that
1:02:46um because of, you know, the the sort of
1:02:49really thorough work that he was doing,
1:02:51he noticed some files had an extension
1:02:56that identified them as not being from,
1:03:00you know, like your like your, you know,
1:03:03your local phone storage area for
1:03:06photos. That's where they would
1:03:08typically go unless you sent them
1:03:10elsewhere, you know, if you received
1:03:12them through a text message or you took
1:03:13them yourself or whatever, right? Most
1:03:15of your phones are probably like that.
1:03:16You know what I mean? So, he's like,
1:03:18"Huh, what's up with this?" And so, he's
1:03:20like trying to figure it out. It's got
1:03:21to be somewhere in the report. And it
1:03:23occurred to him, "Oh [ __ ] that's not on
1:03:26this report." He's about to say a few
1:03:28more words about it that I'm going to
1:03:29let him say through reading the
1:03:30discovery because I don't know enough
1:03:32about this to say those words in the
1:03:34right order. Here he is. nor does
1:03:38activity involving those applications
1:03:40necessarily reflect in the data
1:03:42extracted. For example, Watts had a
1:03:46secret calculator application uploaded
1:03:48to his phone. This application by all
1:03:51appearances is an operable calculator,
1:03:53but when use when users enter a secret
1:03:55passcode, the application reveals its
1:03:58true purpose. a concealed storage device
1:04:01for photographs, videos, contacts,
1:04:05even a private browser. Let's get
1:04:07camping in. In mid July 2018, Watts
1:04:11began transferring images from his
1:04:13camera application into the secret
1:04:15applica application. This activity is
1:04:18not reflected within the phone's
1:04:20timeline.
1:04:21Locating those transferred images proved
1:04:24challenging as it was predicated on mere
1:04:26curiosity.
1:04:27I searched. Okay. So, he says, and this
1:04:31is important.
1:04:34Um, locating those.
1:04:37Where is this?
1:04:39Lo some locating those images proved
1:04:41challenging because it was predicated on
1:04:43mere curiosity or something like that. I
1:04:45can't find it in here. Oh, wait. There
1:04:46it is. Oh, yeah. I think it's right. Um,
1:04:49he says, I'm just going to read it like
1:04:51in real time now because I want to slow
1:04:53it down to make the points. I searched
1:04:55through the image images stored within
1:04:58the data files featured in the celbrite
1:05:01report for item 41.
1:05:04Lotsy Tatsy's phone. Hotty Wattsy
1:05:06Tatsy's phone. Locating an image
1:05:11not highlighted in the timeline. I
1:05:14review I reviewed the path within the
1:05:17file information and noticed it included
1:05:21the words secret calculator. So he
1:05:24inadvertently because he's doing a good
1:05:26job is really checking things out. He's
1:05:28looking at every file carefully. So he
1:05:32said, you know, locate an image not
1:05:34highlighted in the timeline, which is
1:05:37what the celebrate report spits out.
1:05:39That's the product of the celebrate
1:05:41report timeline referred to here. I
1:05:44reviewed the path within the file
1:05:46information and noticed it included the
1:05:48words secret calculator. That is when
1:05:52the secret calculator situation
1:05:56was discovered
1:05:58and that whole, you know, his that deep
1:06:02part of the investigation of the phone
1:06:04happened not too long.
1:06:08Well, I can, you know, I can't safely
1:06:11say that. So, I'm just going to just
1:06:13going to free from the discovery. I
1:06:14don't want to say anything that is wrong
1:06:15here because this becomes more important
1:06:18than we realized. I think but then a lot
1:06:19of us realized maybe you already knew
1:06:22why didn't you let me know guys right
1:06:25and access the secret calculator that
1:06:27search will include any additional
1:06:30hold on horsey
1:06:32this is it in the timeline I reviewed
1:06:35the path within the file information and
1:06:38noticed it included the words secret
1:06:41calculator
1:06:42secret using the find feature I searched
1:06:45the 12,000 images stored in the phone's
1:06:48memory
1:06:49Using the keyword secret calculator, I
1:06:52located a vast collection of images
1:06:54otherwise undetected during my review
1:06:56that are stored within this application.
1:07:01In the near future, a follow-up warrant
1:07:03will be vast a vast number of images. I
1:07:09wonder how Mr. Ward, would you mind
1:07:12coming on to the live stream on Friday
1:07:14evening and define and telling us what
1:07:16your definition of vast is because I
1:07:18think that's important.
1:07:21Okay, so now listen very carefully to
1:07:25this next sentence.
1:07:35Oops. Detected during my review that are
1:07:38stored within this application.
1:07:41Mhm. In the near future, a follow-up
1:07:44warrant will be sought. This is
1:07:46important to manually search through
1:07:49this phone and access the secret
1:07:51calculator. That search will include any
1:07:54additional photographs or videos, any
1:07:56browser activity and information I
1:08:00related to this installation date. The
1:08:03last sentence in this report says
1:08:06investigation continues.
1:08:09Please forward to the district
1:08:12attorney's office. Oh, interesting.
1:08:15Interesting. Wow. Oh, [ __ ] Huh. So,
1:08:18Michael Prill found some little secret
1:08:22pockets within the Hoty Totsy Watsy's
1:08:26phone that, you know, very likely if he
1:08:29wasn't such, you know, a thorough
1:08:31detective and investigator
1:08:33would have, you know, been able to
1:08:35loophole right beyond
1:08:38the ever knowing, you know, product of a
1:08:42Celbrite report, which, you know, most
1:08:44people consider to be sort of the
1:08:46standard of, you know, getting dumping
1:08:48all that information out of your phone.
1:08:49You're not hiding anything. Well, you
1:08:51know, at this point in time with Apple
1:08:54phones specifically, that wasn't the
1:08:58case, Apple. You're so damn clever.
1:09:01Thank you for fooling our law
1:09:02enforcement agents. That's awesome of
1:09:04you. Um, so h couple things. When was
1:09:09this date? What What was state here? I
1:09:10wonder I wonder what the date is here.
1:09:13You know what? I think I'm just going to
1:09:14let my former self say that cuz I got to
1:09:15get drink of water so I can keep
1:09:16talking.
1:09:21Not former self, like you know what I'm
1:09:23saying.
1:09:25The video
1:09:27play at 3:08
1:09:30on 10:30.
1:09:33I know I'm driving some of you crazy and
1:09:34I apologize, but you know, this ain't
1:09:38easy for me either. Says investigation
1:09:42continues.
1:09:44Please forward to the district
1:09:46attorney's office. Michael J. Report. Is
1:09:49that who you referred to? Something
1:09:51important to understand about this
1:09:53report by detective Michael Prill is
1:09:57that it is dated at 3008
1:10:00on 10:30, 2018
1:10:03or October 30th, 2018.
1:10:07Wow. Huh. October 30th, 2018. So, all
1:10:10right. It was on October 30th, 2018.
1:10:13He's getting his [ __ ] together. He's
1:10:15comprising that report. He's realizing,
1:10:18oh, we have unattended to business. This
1:10:22is a big crime. We better attend to that
1:10:24business, man. That is how investigation
1:10:26goes down. That is the standard that we
1:10:29should expect of ourselves if we want to
1:10:31call ourselves law enforcement agents or
1:10:34district attorneys.
1:10:36Two babies are dead and a pregnant woman
1:10:39is dead at the hands of a husband with
1:10:43other super shady suspicious situations
1:10:47going on that I don't think Michael
1:10:48Prill knew of at that time. But I know
1:10:52the district attorney worked Kevin
1:10:54Kobach and sorry girlfriend you know I
1:10:58am always a girls girl but I got to say
1:11:00it girlfriend Tammy Lee knew about. Oh
1:11:04my gosh. So, you know, Michael Prill
1:11:06with, I think, in my opinion, a proper
1:11:08sense of justice and led balls to
1:11:10execute that justice was just going to
1:11:13do what he needed to do to keep that
1:11:15investigation on the right track. Right?
1:11:17Because that's what we expect of the
1:11:19people who we elect or pay through our
1:11:23taxpayer dollars to protect us and our
1:11:27children and our friends and our society
1:11:29and the system of justice that protects
1:11:32us. And we almost always do so without
1:11:35complaining or giving them a hard time
1:11:37and offering these people nothing but
1:11:39our respect and compliance. Even if it's
1:11:41because I just peed my pants and I'm
1:11:43really afraid of what's going to happen
1:11:45cuz I've never been in this situation
1:11:46before and law man you scare me which
1:11:49happened to me once. But we're not going
1:11:50to talk about that right now. I didn't
1:11:53do anything bad either. It was a traffic
1:11:54infection. Not even rising to level
1:11:57speeding. People are ridiculous. So,
1:12:00um,
1:12:03so, okay, wait, let me just play a
1:12:05little couple like probably, I don't
1:12:07know, less than a minute more of this
1:12:10sip water play. So, where was the next
1:12:13place this report was going to go? To
1:12:16the district attorney's office. And you
1:12:19better believe straight away. In fact,
1:12:22district attorney, the honorable Michael
1:12:24J. Ror, his wife says, who has the most
1:12:28venerable is the word she uses,
1:12:31trial record in the history of Colorado.
1:12:37Damn, girl. Wow. You got you got
1:12:39yourself some man there. That's a sack
1:12:42of [ __ ] That's so not true. Anyway, um
1:12:48Michael Ror and
1:12:51when he's on his wifey wifey's podcast,
1:12:54Survivor's Guide to True Crime, which if
1:12:56it weren't for that one episode, I think
1:12:58could be a pretty decent podcast, but
1:12:59you guys screw it up. Oh well.
1:13:01um
1:13:03he talks about he he speaks very highly
1:13:06of Michael Prill saying that they are
1:13:09personal friends and there's another
1:13:11interview where he talks about as well
1:13:13where of course it's almost like he's
1:13:14like maybe thinking of a specific
1:13:16situation you know we we have we you
1:13:18know boundaries are where they they
1:13:19should be professionally blah blah blah
1:13:21it's not like you know I'm blabbing
1:13:23about you know things I shouldn't be
1:13:24when he's a you know detective and I'm
1:13:26the district attorney or vice versa.
1:13:28That's just the vibe I got. Um,
1:13:32you know, but he speaks about, you know,
1:13:33how thorough he is, what that he's an
1:13:36exemplar, investigator, detective, that
1:13:39he does everything on the up and up,
1:13:40that he is the man that you want to be
1:13:42in charge of any aspect of your, you
1:13:45know, homicide investigation cuz he's
1:13:47the one, he is the one who's going to
1:13:49get [ __ ] done right and he's going to
1:13:51make sure that nothing gets in his way.
1:13:54And it happens every time, all the time,
1:13:56except for this time.
1:13:59And I wonder why this time was so
1:14:02important. I think it's crazy that
1:14:04Michael Work himself,
1:14:09I'm not going to say what I was just
1:14:10going to say because it was just Catty.
1:14:11Um, Michael Work himself,
1:14:14you know, taunts these qualities of
1:14:16Michael Prill and puts him on that
1:14:18pedestal. Yet, we know, us silly little
1:14:22junior detectives, we should leave him
1:14:25alone.
1:14:26Um, you know, we all know the the
1:14:29connection they have through this case
1:14:32and the roles
1:14:34that they were entrusted to hold in this
1:14:37case to ensure justice. Mr. Work, you
1:14:40just painted on yourself again. You're
1:14:42so stupid. But we don't have to get into
1:14:46that, but we eventually will. Um,
1:14:49so on Okay, hold it. Sorry. Water,
1:14:52water, water. Stay in focus. the date
1:14:54that Chris Watts plead guilty to the
1:14:57murders of Shannan, Bella, and Celeste
1:14:59and some additional charges with
1:15:01aggravating circumstances into handle
1:15:04the crime in the death of baby Nico who
1:15:07was not yet born.
1:15:10That date was November November 6th,
1:15:148 days after this report was generated.
1:15:18Now, contained in this report generated
1:15:20by detective Michael Prill, there are
1:15:22some important things. There is the
1:15:24search for Shannan Watts that heads off
1:15:28that timeline that certainly would have
1:15:29stood out boldly to district attorney
1:15:32Ror from September 1st, 2017, well
1:15:35before district attorney is aware of
1:15:36this. Nicole or Chris Watts claimed that
1:15:39they ever had met well before that time.
1:15:42He also would have read all of the
1:15:44lines, the timeline event entries that
1:15:47noted the various searches during the
1:15:49relationship span of Chris Watson,
1:15:51Nicole Kessinger, where she had Googled
1:15:54Shannan's name and he would have learned
1:15:57very quickly that when doing so, you
1:16:00would have gone to Shannan's Facebook
1:16:01page where she would have spoken
1:16:04excitedly and proudly about her family
1:16:07and about her baby who is still inside
1:16:10her belly that she was so super excited
1:16:13for baby Watts is she called little Nico
1:16:16on her Facebook posts.
1:16:18District Attorney Ror also would have
1:16:20known because he just read it in the
1:16:22report that Michael Prill anticipated on
1:16:26generating more search warrants to more
1:16:28completely search the phones for things
1:16:30that are hidden underneath the surface
1:16:32like this hidden calculator app that he
1:16:34explained it took some effort to really
1:16:36find it to get in there to find the
1:16:37contents of it because well it's
1:16:39supposed to be secret and I guess for
1:16:41even people who know how to extract
1:16:43information from a phone it still
1:16:45remained pretty secret if it was not for
1:16:48Michael Pearl's commitment to finding
1:16:50the truth. District Attorney Ror would
1:16:53have had a very clear understanding that
1:16:55between all of the messages and
1:16:57information that was deleted by Nicole
1:16:58Kessinger and all of the information
1:17:02that we now know was hidden into the
1:17:04depths of the cell phone of at least
1:17:07Chris Watson, possibly Nicole Kessinger
1:17:09as well. That what they he did know
1:17:12about Nicole Kessinger was pretty damn
1:17:15incriminating. And what he didn't know,
1:17:17well, oh my gosh, there was a whole lot
1:17:20he didn't know. And the nature of that
1:17:23information must have been something
1:17:25interesting because she and he Nicole
1:17:29and Chris have been trying so damn hard
1:17:33to conceal it. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Nicole
1:17:35Kassinger turned out to have information
1:17:37that I can best describe as being a
1:17:38bombshell.
1:17:41Oh, yeah. Is that true, District
1:17:42Attorney Ror? She has information that
1:17:44could just be described as being a
1:17:46bombshell. What exactly could that
1:17:48possibly be? We know that she was not an
1:17:51eyewitness because we overhear that
1:17:54being said during one of her interviews
1:17:57when there is talk between the agents
1:17:59from the Colorado Bureau of
1:18:01Investigation. Take a listen.
1:18:05Nice to meet you. I'm Stacy Gal. Nice to
1:18:08meet you. How are you doing? All right.
1:18:11Getting through it. trying, you know,
1:18:15stressing out. Stressing out. Yeah, you
1:18:17look stressed out. Did you get some
1:18:19therapy figured out? I'm waiting for you
1:18:22guys to get back to me on that, but I'm
1:18:24trying to
1:18:26help. Yeah. So, Hazel need to Yeah,
1:18:28we're going to see if Hazel comes in.
1:18:30We're So, county's just I had to write a
1:18:34letter yesterday for W County to approve
1:18:37uh to pay for Don't work so hard, Cass.
1:18:40seriously take a day off because it's
1:18:42kind of unusual since she's not an
1:18:44eyewitness, right? But uh it sound like
1:18:47there was not going to be any opposition
1:18:49to it. It's just a process. Yeah.
1:18:52So when you go through the text
1:18:53messages, Tammy and probably Stacy will
1:18:55be there. Okay. So you guys know each
1:18:57other. Um or if they reach out to you,
1:19:00you know that they're not immediate.
1:19:01Yeah. Can you give me your cards? I grab
1:19:04you one. Okay. I just and now with this
1:19:07new phone it's like I got so many
1:19:08numbers that I who had an affair with
1:19:10Chris Watts told our partners at the
1:19:12Denver Post that she hardly knew
1:19:14anything about Shannan and that she had
1:19:16only recently started a relationship
1:19:18with Chris. Well, there's now evidence
1:19:20to suggest that she knew about Shannan
1:19:22almost
1:19:247 investigates Jace Larson here in the
1:19:26studio with that part of this grim
1:19:28story. Jace. Yeah, guys. Police
1:19:29interviewed Nicole Kessinger, the other
1:19:31woman. She came forward to police about
1:19:34Okay. So,
1:19:36I need somebody and probably I don't
1:19:38know, maybe one person or two people
1:19:40that uh I need I need I need a person or
1:19:43two. And now this is not going to be um
1:19:46just so we can keep this focus. This
1:19:47isn't going to be I'm having you come up
1:19:49on panel cuz I want you to express all
1:19:50your awesome opinions and smartness and
1:19:52things that I usually love to hear from
1:19:54you. This is so I can structure a
1:19:58conversation that is going to
1:20:03um
1:20:05and through the course of that
1:20:07conversation those listening will will
1:20:10by osmosis be privy to the information
1:20:13that I have hot in my hands. Um and
1:20:17that's how it just needs to be done. So
1:20:19like Chris, would you be interested in
1:20:21coming up?
1:20:23Um, and who else?
1:20:26And again, this is like not an opinion
1:20:28thing. I I really do have to keep it
1:20:29streamlined and I have to focus and I
1:20:31have to be aware of what's being
1:20:33discussed. Where the freak did go?
1:20:36Whoever is messing with my computer,
1:20:37it's okay. You've already committed your
1:20:39corruption and we all know it. Stop
1:20:41messing with my computer. Go do
1:20:43something more important.
1:20:46Tell your family how they're going to
1:20:47bail you out.
1:20:49Just kidding. I mean, maybe. Who knows?
1:20:53Um, let me just get down chat here.
1:21:03They did re Oh, this is something that I
1:21:05I found that I found out um through in a
1:21:09long time ago from
1:21:12if any of you were around when I slipped
1:21:15and said who this person is, please do
1:21:17not repeat it because you know it's my
1:21:19friend Alex who I went to law school
1:21:22with. I didn't finish law school. He
1:21:23did. He's amazing. He's a he's a public
1:21:26defender. He's just awesome. Most of you
1:21:27guys know about Alex. And if you don't,
1:21:28don't worry about because you probably
1:21:30don't want me talking about him anyway.
1:21:31But after what I Whoopsie. Um,
1:21:36super long story, but anyway, it was he
1:21:39who threw his interest in this case that
1:21:41I kept encouraging and then he finally
1:21:44was like, "Shut up." up and just wanted
1:21:46to like pop a pathfire in my pie hole.
1:21:49And he ended up being really interested
1:21:50in it and seeing some issues of justice
1:21:52that he thought he might want to address
1:21:54because he
1:21:56um is the founding person of a really
1:22:00like just doing really important work um
1:22:04nonforprofit
1:22:06that is that started out in New York,
1:22:08New Jersey
1:22:10where I went to law school and Chris has
1:22:12a connection there too. And anyway, um,
1:22:16so he found out a couple things that I
1:22:18never would have been able to find out.
1:22:19I don't think anyone other than a
1:22:20skilled attorney like himself would have
1:22:23been able to find out. Um, he told me I
1:22:27was too like I don't know. I wasn't
1:22:30thinking straight and realizing how that
1:22:32was should have been confidential and I
1:22:34blabbed a little too much. But the cat
1:22:36was out of the bag at that point. He was
1:22:38able to learn from one of the most
1:22:40reliable sources you could have in this
1:22:41case that they recovered all all
1:22:46of
1:22:49um Skankiata's text messages with Chris
1:22:52Watts. They didn't feel that there was a
1:22:54single one that they missed. Not a
1:22:55single one. um during the investigative
1:22:57time frame. Um you know at that time I
1:23:04you know I guess I just didn't even
1:23:05think to have him look into or he didn't
1:23:08think to or maybe he didn't he didn't
1:23:09tell me because he's like loose z ships
1:23:12think ships and I don't see your bow
1:23:15anymore. um you know to ask separately
1:23:19or at all in a detailed way about you
1:23:21know thirdparty applications but that
1:23:23was never addressed when you know we
1:23:25were on to that but he did he did learn
1:23:27that much so that is kind of interesting
1:23:29and I'm going to put the link in chat so
1:23:31whoever's going to come up here and
1:23:32partner with me um and sorry I don't
1:23:35mean to be a jerk but I just I just want
1:23:37to know who's who it's going to be first
1:23:39Chris is good because we converse good
1:23:41well like that um I didn't even see if
1:23:44he responded yet or
1:23:46Um, and I know there's a bunch of other
1:23:48people. Justice A through Z. There's Oh,
1:23:51so many of you. I feel like I'm being a
1:23:52jerk by like picking out people and then
1:23:54not reading other names cuz I love
1:23:55y'all.
1:23:58But I think you you guys know what I'm
1:24:00saying, too. And Oh, thank you so much,
1:24:03Fallon. Oh, awesome. Thanks, Justice.
1:24:06Um, fan lady. Awesome. Thank you so much
1:24:08for the super chat and for becoming a
1:24:10member, too.
1:24:12um uh 100% believe they were involved to
1:24:16some capacity. They were in debt and
1:24:20desperately needed to sell which they
1:24:22did officially
1:24:25to Oxy and oh to Accidental.
1:24:29I have another thing called that oxy on
1:24:32my mind. Wink wink. Um so you're talking
1:24:35about Anna Darko. Yeah. I mean, they
1:24:37just like simply must have been involved
1:24:38to some degree because again, they no
1:24:40one has that much money without having
1:24:42even more power. Um, and anyone with
1:24:45that much power, they're always, even
1:24:48if, you know, for maintaining their
1:24:51status in, you know, everything, they're
1:24:54always going to have a place at the
1:24:55table and it's always going to be a
1:24:56voice and they're usually it's going to
1:24:58be the loudest one even if they don't
1:25:00give a [ __ ] So, there you like has to
1:25:02be involved in some somehow.
1:25:05Um, okay.
1:25:08So,
1:25:11um, all right. So, I'm going to bring
1:25:12you guys up. So, I have Justice A
1:25:14through Z and Chris and Marie. Do I Do I
1:25:18know I'm I feel like such a jerk saying
1:25:20this. Marie, do I know you? But I just
1:25:23want to make sure you're all like good
1:25:24with like what I'm saying and stuff.
1:25:27You know what? Actually, you're still
1:25:29behind just because of the content of
1:25:31tonight. You're still behind um you're
1:25:34still backstage. Nobody can see you. But
1:25:36even if like can you just turn the
1:25:38camera of your computer or phone on just
1:25:40for a second so I can see that you're
1:25:42actually a someone there. I'm just
1:25:44really I just got to be careful. I'm
1:25:46sorry. I don't mean to be a jerk. And
1:25:48then when I see that I can let you Okay.
1:25:51I just I happen to know that Justice and
1:25:53Chris Well, they usually show up as
1:25:55being actual people. I hope they do this
1:25:56time, too, because if not, I'm really
1:25:58confused.
1:26:01Um, you good, Mark? Do you know turn the
1:26:03camera on, sweetheart?
1:26:05Okay, I'll wait for I'm looking to see
1:26:07if you can do that. So, hey guys. How
1:26:09are you doing? I'm good. Kelly, how are
1:26:12you? Good. And here, I need to change
1:26:14the format of this real quick so I can
1:26:17uh add an item. What am I trying to add?
1:26:20I'm nervous. Why is that? I've never
1:26:22seen that before. I'm going to cancel
1:26:24that. Why is this happening? Okay, just
1:26:26one second. Let me get you up on screen
1:26:29there. It sounds like you've been on
1:26:31your computer a little much the last few
1:26:33days. Oh my god, it's just like been way
1:26:35too much. But I mean, what are the
1:26:36chances? I mean, literally like three
1:26:38days straight. I mean, I have I I I
1:26:40really needed rest this weekend and I
1:26:42neglected that. I ne neglected taking
1:26:44care of myself. Hate it when that
1:26:46happens. But what are the chances that
1:26:48just at the moment I'm logging on to
1:26:49Streamyard, it would do this like
1:26:51unprecedented, abnormal, extensive, you
1:26:55know, preventing me from doing what I'm
1:26:57intending to do.
1:27:00the situ. It's just weird. It's weird to
1:27:02me. Not a coincidence in my opinion. I I
1:27:06you know, I used to not think that. I
1:27:07used to be like, "No, people are kind of
1:27:09cuckoo and they think like that." But
1:27:11and I saw you went down, Marie. I'm so
1:27:13sorry. I don't mean to be rude or
1:27:14anything. Please don't feel like I'm
1:27:16being anything. I'm just I'm It's me.
1:27:19It's It's not anyone else. Trust me,
1:27:20it's me. I'm a little basket, Casey. I'm
1:27:22sure you can tell. So, um yeah, I used
1:27:25to not like think that stuff. Oh, there.
1:27:26Okay. I'm right back. So just turn your
1:27:28camera on swe if you can for a minute or
1:27:30if you want to keep it on the screen
1:27:31too. Um but but I do think that now I
1:27:34mean especially after what happened with
1:27:35the Kylie Rodney case but I don't want
1:27:36to go into that either. Oh I remember
1:27:38that. Yeah. Okay. So um why don't you
1:27:41guys just chat for a minute. Tell me
1:27:43what you think of just I don't know the
1:27:46vagueness so far. I just want to um I
1:27:49need to pull up another document and
1:27:50then we'll we'll start talking about it.
1:27:53I'm going to ask you questions. You're
1:27:54going to respond. You get the point.
1:27:56Some things will you will be stated by
1:27:58yourselves. Some things will be stated
1:28:00by myself or self you know but not all
1:28:03by myself or yourself or any one self
1:28:07because
1:28:09um working with others is important. We
1:28:11all need to share. Go ahead talk please.
1:28:14Well who's who's the other guest with
1:28:16the cute puppy dog? Oh that's Chris.
1:28:18That's Chris. You know Chris? Yeah
1:28:21Chris. one month away before a long time
1:28:25ago. She's my behavioral therapy friend
1:28:27or you Yeah, she's like we have similar
1:28:31um career education things sort of.
1:28:34Yeah, we know we do. We definitely do.
1:28:36You guys have been on panel together.
1:28:38Yeah, you you two have been No, I'm
1:28:39talking about Chris and you and I have a
1:28:41lot of time, too. But you guys have been
1:28:42on panel together before. Yeah. Yeah, I
1:28:44remember. I remember the cute puppy dog.
1:28:46Chris, nice to see you. Nice to see you.
1:28:49Can you all hear me? Yeah. Great.
1:28:51Perfect. Good audio. Yeah, good deal.
1:28:54So, what do you guys think about
1:28:57whatever we've been talking about so
1:28:58far? Anything? Kelly, my ADHD brain is
1:29:03trying to dig through all of the hay to
1:29:07get to the bombshell and I know it's in
1:29:10there and there's pieces that have been
1:29:13kind of dropped before or maybe dots we
1:29:16didn't connect. Mhm.
1:29:19And I and I know there's a method to
1:29:21your madness and not expressly stating
1:29:24it. And so well, we're we're going to
1:29:25right now or maybe you're going to, but
1:29:27we're going to we're going to narrow it
1:29:28down even to place charades. But do you
1:29:30have any idea? Do you have any idea what
1:29:32the bomb the bombshell evidence is? It
1:29:35is what I believe was the sole and
1:29:37motivating reason why Nicole Kender even
1:29:40went to law enforcement. Had nothing to
1:29:41do with concern for the victims. had it
1:29:45but in an answer way had to do with what
1:29:48eventually happened and it's something
1:29:50you and I have talked about don't talk
1:29:52about very much in my channel and I'll I
1:29:53need to get this legal document up
1:29:55before I can proceed though so I'm going
1:29:57to just do that and then we'll continue
1:29:58talking to that and
1:30:02how about you justice A through Z
1:30:06100% faith in you and it's it's kind of
1:30:10like we're in a game waiting to get to
1:30:12the uh the next puzzle piece. So, yeah,
1:30:15I know. I know. It's good. It's good. I
1:30:18like the suspense. It's so fun.
1:30:21Well, first of all, I mean, first of
1:30:23all, just to, you know, be like, "Oh,
1:30:25you know, I got something that's like
1:30:26exclusive or breaking news and then to
1:30:28just like, you know, get on get on, you
1:30:30know, get on a live to blur it out is
1:30:32just not my style." Like, I wouldn't do
1:30:34that. That's like, you know, that I
1:30:36wouldn't do it. Like, what's the value
1:30:38of that? You know what I mean?
1:30:40But like this the whole picture that's
1:30:42coming together is just critically
1:30:44important. So um wait just one second.
1:30:47Talk amongst yourselves. Give me like 90
1:30:49seconds. I just got to focus. It's only
1:30:50been two years in the making. Right.
1:30:56I'm going silent for a minute. Okay.
1:30:59So is it is it Carol? I'm sorry. I'm
1:31:02terrible with names. No, that's my mom
1:31:05though. Oh, hi Chris. Chris. Chris.
1:31:08Thank you. I I had the C right. You did.
1:31:12You did. What state are you in if you
1:31:15want to share? I'm in Georgia. Okay. I'm
1:31:18in Ohio. Okay. Oh, Ohio. Man, y'all are
1:31:22all over the news. God bless. Oh, I I
1:31:24literally live about uh two minutes from
1:31:27Springfield. Less than two minutes. Oh,
1:31:30take care of yourself and your mental
1:31:33health
1:31:34and all the things. Oh, it's terrible.
1:31:36Feels like you were at ground zero right
1:31:39now. They had they had bomb threats
1:31:41through the weekend. There's a really a
1:31:44really good college there, Wittenberg
1:31:46University. They had to close it down.
1:31:49It's a remarkable university. They
1:31:52closed it down. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
1:31:55And actually, a good friend of my
1:31:57daughters was going to Wittenberg until
1:32:00she graduated this last year. Thank
1:32:02goodness she wasn't there. I would have
1:32:04been worried for her.
1:32:06I just hope we have this case solved
1:32:08before the asteroid comes and hits us.
1:32:10Whatever it comes us, dude. I'm working
1:32:14as fast as I can. Okay. I don't have
1:32:16that kind of pressure.
1:32:21Okay. All right. Hold it. Well, I'm
1:32:25trying to read the chat. It would be
1:32:26interesting to see. I know there's been
1:32:29so many theories earlier. Someone said
1:32:32something about maybe ENK was already in
1:32:36witness protection
1:32:38um before the incident, which I thought
1:32:40was an interesting theory. Um someone
1:32:43said I think that's interesting, too,
1:32:45but I do not know anything about that.
1:32:48Um someone else said, I wish I had
1:32:51there's no way I can flag them or
1:32:53anything. There was another theory that
1:32:56she, and this I believe this, that she
1:32:58had probably had relationships with
1:33:01people higher up at Anadarko since this
1:33:04was her dream job. She certainly didn't
1:33:06start her mission with a field operator
1:33:08that was socially awkward. So, you know,
1:33:12maybe that maybe this goes higher up and
1:33:14and for for the work I do, I've done a
1:33:16lot of M&A activity. Believe it or not,
1:33:19they bring in a lot of psychologists for
1:33:20that. It's a very um fragile time for
1:33:23any company. You don't want anything. I
1:33:27could tell this crazy story, but I won't
1:33:29because I'm under an NDA. They will hide
1:33:31just about anything. Um in in going
1:33:35through the M&A process. Yeah. So, wait,
1:33:39what is it? Who will hide just about
1:33:41anything? Sorry. They When you're going
1:33:43through it, M&A merger and acquisition,
1:33:46which Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh my god. Oh,
1:33:48yeah. Everything goes on. They will bury
1:33:51anything. Yes. Literally. I have a
1:33:54literal story um of it. High penalty
1:33:57under the law. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah.
1:34:01Because anything will stop it. Anything
1:34:04anything reputational, anything that
1:34:06looks like the the financials may be
1:34:08off. Anything about even something as
1:34:13not simple in this case, but anything
1:34:15about the the site not being, you know,
1:34:19properly commissioned. Anything could
1:34:21have stopped or not having cameras,
1:34:23anything could have stopped that
1:34:26acquisition. And so I think that this
1:34:28goes up a whole lot higher.
1:34:32Yeah. Yeah. I've always heard that NK
1:34:36may or may not have been sleeping with
1:34:39somebody super high up. Yeah. And she
1:34:42did say to her friend Danielle, who we
1:34:44never heard from again, like she keeps
1:34:46finding unavailable men. I think that
1:34:48that was something that was in discovery
1:34:51uh conversation that they had. So, um
1:34:54I'm hoping if you typed a theory in
1:34:57earlier while Kelly looks up what she's
1:34:59looking up, can you Sorry, I'm just I'm
1:35:02just getting something I'm just
1:35:03something live from the my from the
1:35:06Kelly tell tell me that this is not it.
1:35:09I've I've often heard that they have
1:35:13surveillance cameras out on sites at the
1:35:18oil wells.
1:35:20Tell me that's not true. That tell me
1:35:21that's not what you're getting at. Nope.
1:35:23Nope. Nope. All everything you guys are
1:35:25talking about I think is possible and
1:35:26super interesting. But
1:35:30all right, guesses in the chat until
1:35:35everybody put your guess out. Just give
1:35:36me just give me what he says. Like just
1:35:38he said less than two minutes. Put your
1:35:39best guess in chat. Let's talk about
1:35:41best guess in chat.
1:35:43Winner. If there is a winner, you will
1:35:45get my undying gratitude and holy [ __ ]
1:35:47Whoa. I know what it is. I know what it
1:35:50is. Um what? The stinky panata has an
1:35:53evil twin. Oh no. Oh, thank God. No. No.
1:35:56She is the evil twin. Okay, I got it.
1:36:01Oh my god,
1:36:03that's so funny.
1:36:06Yeah. How come she's never had
1:36:09a single individual step forward and
1:36:11say, "Oh, yeah, I know that girl."
1:36:16Remarkable.
1:36:18She doesn't have much of a digital
1:36:20footprint, but what little footprint she
1:36:22has. Well, she was too good for social
1:36:26media. Remember, she was way above that.
1:36:38And gave Enk the heads up. They outed
1:36:41the affair. That's why she dumped the
1:36:43phone. I I think that that is Chris
1:36:46Chen. I think that's completely what
1:36:48happened. This is no goodness of her
1:36:50heart situation. Enk has written a book
1:36:54is one of the
1:36:56She helped with the bodies is another
1:36:58theory.
1:37:00No, there's definitely a crime there.
1:37:02But wasn't that the one guy she attacked
1:37:05when she was younger came forward? No.
1:37:08Is that true? Are you Are you telling me
1:37:10that or are you asking? Are you Are you
1:37:12asking me that? Are you telling me that?
1:37:13Who am I? Who am I? I am. I'm reading.
1:37:16Remember we said put your best guess in
1:37:18the chat. So I know. I know. I'm just
1:37:19kidding because Nicole Kessinger said
1:37:21that to Kobach when she asked about the
1:37:23111 minute conversation for the first
1:37:25time. And hey Na. How are you doing? We
1:37:27have here too. How's it going? Hi
1:37:30everyone.
1:37:31Hello. Hello.
1:37:33What are you talking girl? What's that?
1:37:36What am I What What are you thinking? Oh
1:37:40gosh. I'm thinking so much about Skanky
1:37:43and Panada. It It disturbs me that when
1:37:47she said, "Leave Jim alone, he fell off
1:37:50the face of the earth."
1:37:53And I can't help but think they had
1:37:56something,
1:37:58you know, with the with them leading her
1:38:01during her interview because it
1:38:04certainly was an investigation and the
1:38:06fact that she had her daddy in there.
1:38:09Who what 30-year-old would be allowed to
1:38:11have their father? I know that is that's
1:38:15a huge point for me. We didn't hear
1:38:16anything back about Well, and maybe one
1:38:19that needed to be defended for another
1:38:21reason. I'm just gonna You know what?
1:38:22I'm going to know our friend Nick from
1:38:24True Crime Rocket Science, he's just
1:38:26going to do a little talking here and um
1:38:28just listen to see that uh simply
1:38:32because
1:38:34um True Crime Rocket Science had covered
1:38:36it. Embarrassed to say that this blog
1:38:40post was only 80 milligrams of
1:38:45Hold up, Nick. Wait a minute. You're
1:38:46giving stuff away. Okay. Um what is
1:38:49strange though is I did do a thorough um
1:38:54search of the document
1:38:56uh for the term delete or deleted and
1:39:02the strange thing is the
1:39:06um Google search for
1:39:09it's oxycodone without the the the e so
1:39:12it's um
1:39:1680 mg gram oxycodone but without the the
1:39:20e. Um it's not clear whether that was a
1:39:23misspelling or whether it cut off
1:39:25because of you know that was just the
1:39:27amount um the the section of the word
1:39:30that was referenced in the search. Uh in
1:39:34any event um
1:39:39when you when you do a Google search um
1:39:43there there's not much in the discovery
1:39:46actually regarding
1:39:48that particular search. There's no
1:39:51reference to it. In other words, there's
1:39:52no reference in the discovery to oxy or
1:39:56oxycodone or anything like that. Um, and
1:40:00when you search for the word delete, um,
1:40:03even though the, um,
1:40:09terms that are referenced, including the
1:40:11how to delete your Instagram account,
1:40:13even though they are referenced, it's
1:40:15not sort of very closely associated with
1:40:17the word delete.
1:40:19Um they are in fact um
1:40:29oh let's just quickly do a search for
1:40:31the word delete.
1:40:36Um the word delete comes up 48.
1:40:40Sorry, it's still counting six.
1:40:44See, five times in the discovery, but a
1:40:48lot of these references are from the
1:40:50signatures to emails
1:40:53um saying, for example, you know, um so
1:40:58let's just get there.
1:41:04Please notify the sender by electronic
1:41:05mail or otherwise and delete the
1:41:07original message. This is the signature
1:41:10message from a lot of the um emails that
1:41:14are quoted in the discovery. So, a lot
1:41:16of these references to delete are
1:41:20um irrelevant. And then you have a
1:41:23couple of references in the data review
1:41:27where delete is
1:41:29um mentioned regarding specific items
1:41:33that have been retrieved. That's more
1:41:35relevant. Um but there's no mention of
1:41:39delete and oxycodone or oxycontton. Um
1:41:44it's simply one sort of sentence or one
1:41:48strip of code on page 1769 of the
1:41:52discovery. So it's very late in the
1:41:55discovery and it's very easy to miss. Um
1:42:03so what I was um what I was interested
1:42:07in uh looking at uh let me just correct
1:42:10myself just in terms of um oxyone
1:42:16does come up in terms of the compounds
1:42:20checked for in terms of the autopsy.
1:42:23Um and there it refers to oxycodone and
1:42:27oxymorphone
1:42:29and there are 15 references to it. Um
1:42:35some of these are not strictly for
1:42:37oxycodone. Some of them are like um the
1:42:40full the full um the full word for say
1:42:45DNA which is deoxy ribboucleic acid. So
1:42:48that's also reference to oxy but not
1:42:51oxycodone.
1:42:53um an oxygenated volatiles panel. Um
1:42:57that's also mentioned in the um
1:43:01pathology.
1:43:03Um
1:43:05but but the point is that um
1:43:09oxycodone isn't mentioned um as anything
1:43:13that was searched for
1:43:16um other than that one little string of
1:43:18code which is basically invisible. So
1:43:21the the fact that the discovery doesn't
1:43:24acknowledge it itself is strange. Um one
1:43:28wonders whether that is an oversight or
1:43:30whether that is
1:43:32um sort of hidden in plain sight. Um
1:43:40so as I say when I you know when when I
1:43:43came across this reference in the letter
1:43:46Wrote wasn't a complete surprise. Um,
1:43:50I've been researching um
1:43:54a book called Silver Fox, which is a
1:43:57brand new series on the Watts case,
1:43:59dealing specifically with Chris Watts,
1:44:01not really dealing with a lot of the
1:44:03other people, but dealing with him and
1:44:05his versions and um the kind of person
1:44:09that he is and his psychology
1:44:12and Um
1:44:19what one thing that I wanted to
1:44:22verify was when I had referred to
1:44:28um
1:44:30Oxycodone or the idea of sedation for
1:44:32the first time through the course of the
1:44:35the nine narratives of the previous
1:44:37series which was the two-phase series.
1:44:40Um you might think that when you write a
1:44:43book um that you can remember every
1:44:45single book as a distinctive hole but
1:44:48when you write u a trilogy and they sort
1:44:51of evolve and one book is sort of in a
1:44:54way derive the other I have not
1:44:56literally I have opened the freaking
1:44:58Chris Watts discovery file I thousands
1:45:00of times it's like one thing I've never
1:45:02had a problem with my computer is like I
1:45:04literally just took like almost five
1:45:06minutes trying to get the damn file
1:45:10But it is definitely unnerving. Everyone
1:45:12want to listen to me scenario together.
1:45:14I'm only going to refer to a short
1:45:17aspect of it here. Um now I know that um
1:45:22there are a lot of people who feel that
1:45:24they are experts on this case. Um it's
1:45:28probably best if you don't listen any
1:45:30further because you you're the expert.
1:45:33So, you know, go and be expert somewhere
1:45:36else kind of thing. Um, the position of
1:45:40true crime rocket science is that you
1:45:42never know everything, but you do try
1:45:45your best to find out. It's also the
1:45:47position of true crime rocket science
1:45:48that we feel it's possible to know a
1:45:52lot. Um, I I want to say that it's
1:45:56possible to know everything, but that's
1:45:59not possible. But I want to say that the
1:46:01idea of knowing
1:46:03um what I guess is sufficient um knowing
1:46:07a great deal um if one simply uh puts in
1:46:12enough effort and concentration and
1:46:14focus and you know um I just want to say
1:46:19real quickly that when I was you know
1:46:21researching this case for academic
1:46:23reasons not for having a YouTube channel
1:46:24I got the I got the bulk of my
1:46:29all The information I initially obtained
1:46:31about this case, if it was not directly
1:46:32from the legal files, was from Nick at
1:46:35True Crime Rocket Science and he is
1:46:38super smart. It's a great resource. Just
1:46:40want to say that real quick. Settled
1:46:42down to read the work and and um do the
1:46:46work then then you are going to get a
1:46:49lot of answers. Um so
1:46:54so with with that in mind um the
1:46:57position of uh true crime rocket science
1:46:59I just got I got to speed this up a
1:47:01little bit.
1:47:05Um yeah'll be fine. In the very first
1:47:08narrative as I say this was in September
1:47:10well before the release of the discovery
1:47:13and obviously months um was used on the
1:47:16children not on Shannan. Now obviously I
1:47:20know there are there are hordes out
1:47:22there saying but that's not what Chris
1:47:23Watt said. Chris Watts said that he blah
1:47:26blah blah. Um you know that's such a
1:47:29tied argument by now. Um I've that's
1:47:31also something that comes across over
1:47:33and over again in in true crime is
1:47:35someone will say but that's not what the
1:47:37murderer said. Yeah it's not. It's not
1:47:39what the murderer said. The murderer
1:47:40said X and if you want to believe him
1:47:42that's your business. Rocket science
1:47:44isn't about elite true and somewhat not
1:47:47true and mostly not true. Six nine of
1:47:50the discovery. Um
1:47:54I must say when I when I saw that
1:47:56reference um it was basically like a a
1:47:59light going on in my brain. Um I
1:48:02obviously can't prove it but when I saw
1:48:03that I thought there's your murder
1:48:04weapon. Um just because it's a very it's
1:48:07a very Let me just quickly look because
1:48:09I want to hear what you said in full
1:48:10there. Okay. Now I saw that reference um
1:48:13it was basically like a a
1:48:17discovery why it makes sense and also
1:48:20the interextual aspect. Um
1:48:24for those who want to just get a more um
1:48:27factual basis for this you're welcome to
1:48:29read the link that goes to the blog
1:48:30which references um page
1:48:341769
1:48:36of the discovery. Um,
1:48:40I must say when I when I saw that
1:48:42reference, um, it was basically like a a
1:48:45light going on in my brain. Um, I
1:48:48obviously can't prove it, but when I saw
1:48:49that I thought there's your murder
1:48:51weapon. Um, just because it's a very
1:48:53it's a very idiosyncratic thing and it
1:48:55also matches the behavior of Chris Watts
1:48:57where he buries everything in plain
1:48:59sight. So, you've got um pain medication
1:49:02in the house. You don't need to go and
1:49:03go and find a murder weapon. You just
1:49:05need to Google the the pharmacodnamics
1:49:08of it which he did. Um anyway, I know
1:49:11people will argue with that and and
1:49:13that's fine. Um for the rest, let me
1:49:15just go through the um through the the
1:49:19last picture from the last chapter of
1:49:21the very first book. Um again, it's a
1:49:25long chapter, so I'm only going to read
1:49:26about a quarter of it. Um here we go. In
1:49:29Chris Watts's own version of events, the
1:49:31girls were killed first and then Chen.
1:49:33Now, this is obviously referring to the
1:49:34affidavit.
1:49:36um which is released in August. So
1:49:38that's this is the version of events
1:49:40that this is referring to. Um the order
1:49:42of deaths is thus not a matter of
1:49:44dispute. What is a matter of dispute is
1:49:45how long before Shannan's death were
1:49:47Bella and Celeste killed. Now you can
1:49:49remember that in watch's first version
1:49:52the version was that Shannan killed
1:49:55Bella while he was not in the room and
1:49:58then he she killed Celeste and then
1:50:01Shannan sort of he he caught sort of
1:50:03Cananan Shannan in in um while she was
1:50:06doing it. So um what I what I think is
1:50:10very sort of strange is is this idea
1:50:14that you know it takes 3 to 5 minutes to
1:50:16strangle one person. So this whole idea
1:50:18that Watt sort of left the room, was on
1:50:20his way downstairs
1:50:22and then turned around because he heard
1:50:24something and then went back back
1:50:25upstairs. It's almost like in that
1:50:27little tiny space of time, in a tiny
1:50:30corridor of time, Shenan is able to
1:50:32strangle two children to death or or
1:50:34even just one, you know, if you want to
1:50:36look at it that way. Um 3 to 5 minutes
1:50:38is a really long time. And in Wat's
1:50:40version, it's almost like he's he makes
1:50:43a U-turn on the staircase and then sort
1:50:45of rushes back into the room. um
1:50:49this actually shows that that um he
1:50:51didn't know how long it would take to
1:50:52strangle a person, specifically the
1:50:55children. So his version doesn't
1:50:57actually add up. And I think that's
1:50:58quite significant. Um going back to the
1:51:00narrative, the affidavit stipulates that
1:51:02the two little girls were murdered by
1:51:04their father on or between 12 to 13
1:51:06August, which opens up the possibility
1:51:08that they may have been killed several
1:51:09hours before Shannan returned home from
1:51:11Arizona. Now, this was the position of
1:51:14the authorities early on, and I agreed
1:51:18with it at that stage, and I've actually
1:51:20agreed with it ever since. I I felt that
1:51:22that it would make sense in a
1:51:24premeditated murder to
1:51:26sort things out. uh when when when the
1:51:29situation was simple. In other words,
1:51:30when Shannan who would be like a a
1:51:32lioness around her children um you know
1:51:35if this was plan you wouldn't want to do
1:51:37it with a lioness around especially
1:51:38since Shannan really was a fearsome
1:51:41presence to to confront to have to fight
1:51:45you know and Watts didn't want to fight
1:51:46with her. He didn't want to confront
1:51:48her. So I've always felt that that
1:51:51really made sense that that he would
1:51:53have done that early on. Um, of course
1:51:55the argument that a lot of people have
1:51:57had is, you know, if he killed the
1:51:58children and Shannan got home, she could
1:52:00have seen a
1:52:03true crime rocket science is about
1:52:04whatsoever. Okay. Thank you. Of true
1:52:06crime. in a situation where we don't
1:52:09have the answers. In other words, spent,
1:52:12you know, weeks and weeks um analyzing
1:52:16and now so does anybody want to take a
1:52:20take another stab at
1:52:23the nature of the information that we're
1:52:25cracking into.
1:52:31Panel panel,
1:52:33do you guys hear me?
1:52:35Yes. in in in um
1:52:40so one one of the topics that we're
1:52:42going to talk about is fill in the blank
1:52:45any of you go ahead go ahead don't be
1:52:47afraid to volunteer you can come up to
1:52:48the chalkboard if you want you don't
1:52:50have to spell correctly it doesn't
1:52:51matter today
1:52:54ladies
1:52:56my voice is so weak
1:53:04is my computer working oh my god Gosh,
1:53:06Nilda, are you there? Yes. Can you hear
1:53:08me? Yeah, everyone else fell off stage
1:53:11somehow. I can hear you. I don't know
1:53:14why everyone else went off stage. So,
1:53:15Chris says, "Your device is not
1:53:16connected and I don't have justice A
1:53:18through Z anymore." So, all right. So,
1:53:21what was what was Nick from True Crime
1:53:23Rocket Science just talking about? I'm
1:53:24not trying to make this like a third
1:53:26grade class, but I literally we
1:53:28literally have to have this be a
1:53:29discussion.
1:53:32Um,
1:53:34can I
1:53:36tell you one thing that that I didn't
1:53:38understand? I don't think a whole lot,
1:53:40but can I share with you what I did take
1:53:42away? Sure. Okay. So, I he seems to have
1:53:49uh focused a lot on the potential
1:53:53medicine.
1:53:55Um the the bottle he described it there
1:53:58were different spellings that they all
1:54:00were in what medication of what
1:54:02medication? Oh, the oxy. Thank you.
1:54:04Okay, good. Thank you. The oxy.
1:54:07And um sure. And I show in the bins if
1:54:12I'm not mistaken. We've talked before
1:54:15again. If I'm not mistaken,
1:54:18I thought we said or somebody mentioned
1:54:21that there was indeed some oxy cotton in
1:54:25one of the bins. See on the on the far
1:54:28right third shelf down. Okay. No, I'm
1:54:32just I'm just going to stop you right
1:54:33there just for the purpose of like just
1:54:35of uh just for but thank you. Thank you.
1:54:38Thank you. And have you seen that
1:54:39yourself? I guess I would ask because I
1:54:41was talking about this with Nancy just
1:54:43before the live stream tonight because I
1:54:45have you know I have taken the section
1:54:48the section of the body cam video any
1:54:51section of any body cam video that had
1:54:54in frame and justice as a through Chris
1:54:56please come back up. Um Chris says
1:54:59you're disconnected.
1:55:02Um
1:55:04and uh so oh I'm sorry and here's a
1:55:06link. I'm so sorry. Um, so I went
1:55:08through all of that and I enhanced the
1:55:10footage so you know there's ways to
1:55:12sharpen images so you can actually see
1:55:15writing and things like that. And on
1:55:17many different times I could I really
1:55:19wanted to know about this for a while. I
1:55:21don't talk about the issue is issue of
1:55:23the oxy cotton very often but I've
1:55:25always been very curious about the
1:55:26reason I don't talk about very often is
1:55:27because I really just don't freaking
1:55:29know. Why was it so important for Chris
1:55:32where I'm going to take it to my grave
1:55:33where I got it. What the [ __ ] You just
1:55:35murdered your entire family and that's
1:55:36why you're taking in the grave. That
1:55:37makes absolutely zero sense. Right.
1:55:39Exactly. Yes. So, um I just wanted to
1:55:42know about that. I am so afraid I'm
1:55:43going to lose my voice. It's like
1:55:45everything preventing me from sticking
1:55:46with and um
1:55:49I can personally not see any Oxycontton
1:55:54in those bins. Any I could not see any
1:55:56medication that was labeled that. And
1:55:58guys, I scoured I could have missed
1:56:00this. Please in chat, let me know right
1:56:02now if you think you have ever seen that
1:56:04in the Watts basement.
1:56:07Not specifically, not that medication. I
1:56:10wasn't able to read. Yeah. No, I I I
1:56:13want to know if anyone has specifically
1:56:15been able to see like an identified Oh,
1:56:18that is a pill bottle of Oxycontton or
1:56:21Oxycodone or Oxy anything that's an
1:56:24opiate in those cases or in those
1:56:28containers in the Watt's basement.
1:56:30There's justice. I got you back up. How
1:56:33you doing? Thank you. Thanks, dear.
1:56:36Sorry about that. It's okay.
1:56:39Um, so yeah. Have you ever seen um any
1:56:43have you ever been able to see and
1:56:44identify any um pill bottles of
1:56:47oxycottton or oxycodone in the basement?
1:56:50People claim have, but I I think I I
1:56:53think I do, but I don't think I don't
1:56:54think it's there. I've never seen it.
1:56:57And and I know that there's claims about
1:57:00that. I know that's claimed.
1:57:04Um are you having allergies, Kelly? I
1:57:08have no idea. I just It's like every I
1:57:10don't know what's wrong with me is every
1:57:12time I really start I have to like get
1:57:14into this with this case. It's just one
1:57:15thing or another. It's creepy.
1:57:18I think you might be having the ragweed
1:57:19allergies. I've been severely for the
1:57:22last three weeks. And um yeah.
1:57:26We can talk about medical stuff later,
1:57:28but Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got it because I
1:57:30I have a really important I'm just
1:57:32concerned. I know. I want to streamline
1:57:34it. I can't down to the bottom of chat.
1:57:36My god. I know. I know. Um B propololis
1:57:39would be good for your throat. They sell
1:57:41it at Trader Joe's. Could you text that
1:57:43to me? Yeah, I will. I'll send a picture
1:57:46of it. It's like a spray. Oh my god,
1:57:48it's it's like a miracle. Oh, awesome.
1:57:50That I need a I need several miracles
1:57:52right now, actually. Keep them coming.
1:57:54It's like six bucks. So, so yeah, I'm
1:57:58I'm riveted. I'm fascinated. I'm
1:58:01wondering if the little girls were
1:58:04Somebody put in the comments like Are
1:58:07you getting at that the girls were
1:58:08overdosed? No. Well, no. Well, okay. I'm
1:58:11I'm just going to tell you what I'm
1:58:12getting a second. Hold. I got to get to
1:58:13the bottom of the comments, though,
1:58:14because it's really important that I
1:58:16find out if anyone is able to spot that
1:58:18in the Watts basement because it's
1:58:20really important to the issue at hand.
1:58:21Mhm. Um,
1:58:24see Tam, this Tammy um says, "I've seen
1:58:27it several times. It says Oxycottton on
1:58:29the bottle and it's the first box of the
1:58:33one row." Okay, so I I keep hearing
1:58:35things like this. People keep sending me
1:58:37these detailed spots and I go there and
1:58:39I I alter the video in the best possible
1:58:42way for visibility of writing on the a
1:58:45pill bottle and I you know I'm like I'm
1:58:50chasing a ghost. This doesn't I don't
1:58:52but if you have I can't and I will go
1:58:54check up on it. Not right now because I
1:58:56have to enhance the videos and it just
1:58:57take too much time. But I need to know
1:58:59this.
1:59:01Um, she's like a needle in a hay stack.
1:59:04But yeah.
1:59:06[Music]
1:59:07All right, hold it. Okay,
1:59:10just one sec. I just got to go get a
1:59:12cough drop and then I'm going to
1:59:13continue
1:59:15to roll this out like
1:59:17I have a really important meeting in the
1:59:18morning.
1:59:20Yeah. Like hot water too with um lemon
1:59:23and honey. Yes. Lemon and honey. I I
1:59:26have had the worst allergies the last
1:59:30three weeks that I've ever had in my
1:59:32entire life. Oh, wow. Yeah. The ragweed
1:59:35around here is unreal. And um I had to
1:59:39take antibiotics and steroids. It Wow.
1:59:43Like threw me into vertigo because there
1:59:45was like an inner ear infection. Oh, it
1:59:49was insane.
1:59:50So, I don't want I don't want Kelly to
1:59:53get in that deep.
1:59:55I'm sorry. I have two cough drops. Okay.
1:59:58I know. We need rain like nobody's
2:00:01business. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Okay.
2:00:04All right. So, here's the thing. Okay.
2:00:07So, I'm just going to say it like this
2:00:09and just contribute when you can. So,
2:00:10um, so bas based on what we now know due
2:00:15to looking into this bombshell
2:00:18information issue for this little series
2:00:20I've been trying to do that had some
2:00:22actual different information and
2:00:24contributed to the conversation and the
2:00:26movement, the forward movement of this
2:00:28case towards justice for the victims.
2:00:31Can you guys mute yourself? I got really
2:00:33bad feedback. I'm sorry.
2:00:35Thank you so much. I appreciate it. And
2:00:37I'm gonna bring Chris up, too. Mute
2:00:39yourself, honey. Thanks.
2:00:42If you didn't mute, I'm going to mute
2:00:43you guys just because of feedback and my
2:00:46ears already stopped anyway. Okay, I
2:00:48muted y'all. Nothing personal. Just
2:00:49unmute yourself when you want to talk.
2:00:52Um,
2:00:54okay. So, what we have been able
2:01:00Just one second. I just make sure this
2:01:01isn't something urgent.
2:01:04Oh, guys, please, if it's not really
2:01:07urgent about this live stream, I love
2:01:08you guys so much. You're the best.
2:01:09Please don't text me until this is done
2:01:11because I'm like a freaking on a swivel
2:01:13right now. Um, so
2:01:20we all know is and and there's reasons
2:01:22why I played every single thing that I
2:01:25just did. So, you might have to go back
2:01:27and watch it. And if you're I see some
2:01:29people like just get to the point, I'm
2:01:31sorry. I'm not trying to mock your
2:01:33voice, but I kind of am because
2:01:35this is really hard for me to do right.
2:01:39And just understand that like there's a
2:01:41lot on the line. There is a lot on the
2:01:44line for me right now. So, I'm not
2:01:46trying to be selfish, but um this is an
2:01:50like this is the kind of situation where
2:01:51if you misstep
2:01:54um you you like my I could lose my
2:01:56channel very very very
2:02:00easily with like no safety net. Okay.
2:02:03So, if impatience and things like that
2:02:05right now, normally I try to give you
2:02:06guys exactly what you want when you want
2:02:08it on demand, but that's not like what
2:02:10this is about right now. That's why I'm
2:02:12like I don't want to have any chats in
2:02:14panel. I just need you guys to bounce
2:02:15off so I can do this in a legal manner,
2:02:17you know, and I love you too. But okay,
2:02:19so um go ahead, Kelly. I think just at
2:02:23top of mind with with him saying I'll
2:02:26take it to my grave if he got it out of
2:02:28his basement and I mean he already threw
2:02:32his wife He threw his wife under the
2:02:35bus. Exactly. Aliving the children but I
2:02:39couldn't retrieve it. That's a real So
2:02:40he's not gonna stop it. I used her
2:02:43medicine or she medicine. I take you to
2:02:46the grave. I stole her freaking
2:02:47prescription medication from from one of
2:02:50the thigh boxes downstairs. That didn't
2:02:52happen. Like you've already thrown her
2:02:54under the bus, right? You know, as as
2:02:57hard as you can. So, I think just that
2:02:59alone, we can eliminate
2:03:02um Shenan as the source of the oxy.
2:03:05Excellent point. Thank you so much. And
2:03:07the fact that she got sick only once he
2:03:10came to North Carolina
2:03:13could be another sign that with symptoms
2:03:16of the side or a mild overdose of that
2:03:19medication, you know. Absolutely. Yeah.
2:03:22Yep. Great point. And even how she was
2:03:24feeling in Arizona.
2:03:26Absolutely. Yeah. Totally 100%. So we
2:03:29know that there was we know and we know
2:03:32one thing I was trying to remember. You
2:03:33don't even have to answer me now. I'm
2:03:34just putting it out there so we can
2:03:35circle back to it because it's important
2:03:37because this what the the important
2:03:39thing here is comes down to what the
2:03:42investigators knew and what they did and
2:03:45how that affected the outcome and it is
2:03:48it is so important. I
2:03:52it's enraging. Okay,
2:03:55I can't recall if Chris Watts
2:03:59fested up in a roundabout forced way
2:04:02without really taking responsibility
2:04:04like he always does to the fact that
2:04:06yes, he did give Shenan Oxy Cotton in
2:04:10North Carolina for the purpose what he
2:04:13would say at that time of causing her to
2:04:16have a miscarriage cuz he did not want
2:04:20her to have the baby. Now, I personally
2:04:23do not know if that was, you know, the
2:04:26initial and full and, you know, um,
2:04:29final intention for him giving Roxy
2:04:32Cotton cuz he did give it to her a
2:04:33couple times and I fully believe that
2:04:34and I think there's ample evidence to
2:04:35support that. If he really just wanted
2:04:37to get rid of the baby and it's a
2:04:39terrible way to say it, but my god, look
2:04:41what he did to the baby or if he
2:04:44thought, well, hey, maybe a side benefit
2:04:45would be I can also get rid of my wife.
2:04:47And again, I don't mean to be so crass,
2:04:48but you know, look at what we're talking
2:04:50about. or if he was also using that
2:04:54medication either as the murder weapon
2:04:58or as um an accomplice. So it would be
2:05:03easier for him to or whoever whatever to
2:05:07do the D because Shannan would be in an
2:05:10altered weakened state of physicality
2:05:12and mind which I do think ultimately is
2:05:15what happened. I do think that and you
2:05:17know people sometimes say well like did
2:05:19um oxy didn't show up in the um
2:05:22toxic or in I'm sorry in the autopsies
2:05:25and now we're not going to even have
2:05:26that discussion because as many of you
2:05:28know I don't really get into I don't get
2:05:30into the nitty-gritty and the I don't
2:05:31put the g I will never put gloves on
2:05:33over an autopsy because I don't fancy
2:05:36myself as knowing nearly enough um about
2:05:40medicine and the human body and the
2:05:42human body after death and um you know I
2:05:44don't fancy fancy myself to have that
2:05:46level of experience, intelligence and
2:05:48and knowledge that somebody who is an
2:05:51actual doctor has. I mean, I know a lot
2:05:53of people out there do fancy themselves
2:05:55to have all that and man, you got going
2:05:57on and that is awesome, but I am not
2:05:59that person. And unless you know you put
2:06:02forth credentials and come on to this
2:06:05channel for the purpose of talking about
2:06:06that, I don't mind if people have casual
2:06:08conversations. I usually don't take much
2:06:09part in it, but ain't nobody an expert
2:06:11like that. Okay? So, so put yourself in
2:06:15chat, but um you know I my understanding
2:06:18is from the conversations I've had with
2:06:22very limited and few conversations I've
2:06:23had with people who are qualified to
2:06:25speak to it or more so the interviews
2:06:27I've heard with those same kind of
2:06:29people through other creators or whoever
2:06:31it may be that you know it it very well
2:06:34might not show up in that autopsy given
2:06:37the condition of Shannan's remains by
2:06:40the time they um recovered her body and
2:06:44you know that goes along with the
2:06:46weather, the heat, the pregnancy, the
2:06:49all of that. I I don't think it excludes
2:06:52the possibility from of him giving her
2:06:55Oxy that night or the night before
2:06:57because some people say that it wasn't
2:06:59part of the toxicology report. And
2:07:01again, I don't want that to be a talking
2:07:03point tonight. Maybe another time, but
2:07:05this is not the expert forum for that
2:07:06ever, ever, ever. And I kind of do like
2:07:08to stay away from it. So, with all of
2:07:11that being said,
2:07:15in addition to knowing that Tony Husky
2:07:19contacted law enforcement by 510 a.m.
2:07:26the that very morning of Chris Watts
2:07:28polygraph when he ultimately air quotes
2:07:31confessed well um or later confessed
2:07:34well confessed along the way, whatever
2:07:36that was, right? And um you know it was
2:07:39the same day that she did eventually
2:07:41connect with law enforcement hours later
2:07:45you know and you know so I've always
2:07:47been lying well just to save her butt
2:07:49because they knew they were they were
2:07:50going to come after her anyway. Well
2:07:54and and also we have to find out why um
2:07:57Tony Husky
2:07:59um had some extensive communication with
2:08:02law enforcement the evening before
2:08:05because I think there's something
2:08:06important there. But we'll talk about
2:08:07that another time. If anyone wants to
2:08:08hop on that, please do. um Nicole
2:08:12Kessinger, not only that day, the day
2:08:15that she did connect with law
2:08:16enforcement, but the day before and
2:08:20actually ever since
2:08:24according to our really, really, really
2:08:29freaking
2:08:32good, accurate,
2:08:35vetted, like they're there sources ever
2:08:39sense
2:08:41the night when Chris Watts was had that
2:08:45call from the invest or yeah when the
2:08:48the the police officer from the
2:08:50Frederick Police Department and remember
2:08:52they called his personal number and he
2:08:55didn't answer. It was like weird, like
2:08:57almost like someone answered and hung up
2:08:58and it took a few tries and then
2:09:00eventually
2:09:01they got him on his work phone and doing
2:09:05a comparison of
2:09:08um his work phone records and his
2:09:10personal phone records and Kesser's
2:09:13phone records, it is crystal clear that
2:09:16Watts was on the phone with the
2:09:19investigator on his work phone at the
2:09:22same time he was on a call with Ken
2:09:25messenger on his personal phone. It was
2:09:28not a three-way call. You know, people
2:09:30like have had all kinds of different
2:09:32ideas about that. I think that is pretty
2:09:34clear if you if you do your um astute
2:09:38research.
2:09:39Apparently, it was either right before
2:09:44right around the time before that call,
2:09:46which was
2:09:48let's see. So, it would be Monday like
2:09:51late evening going into early Tuesday
2:09:53morning, right? It's either right
2:09:55before, during, or right after that
2:09:56call, it occurred to her or she made it
2:10:00known that it occurred to her that Oh my
2:10:04god. Holy [ __ ]
2:10:09Oh my god. I gave him D I connected him
2:10:14with,
2:10:18you know, a a source
2:10:21for getting his dirty little bastard
2:10:25paws on that medication
2:10:28that he obtained for the sole purpose of
2:10:31A causing Shenan miscarriage or B, you
2:10:34know, facilitating or doing the work of
2:10:37um getting rid of her or, you maybe even
2:10:40the kids too, right? And she became very
2:10:44concerned like she be I mean she it was
2:10:46like laser focused at that point. Right.
2:10:49So Kelly that so it's interesting
2:10:53you know that if if you subpoena
2:10:56somebody's medical records you can
2:10:59subpoena any prescriptions that are
2:11:01active and that takes like seconds to
2:11:04come back. So, if she had an active
2:11:08prescription or even an old prescription
2:11:10for Oxy, I don't know why that would
2:11:13have sent her into a tail spin because
2:11:16he was in her house all of the time. He
2:11:18was in her house as early as Saturday
2:11:20night. So, she could just say that he
2:11:23took it. So, her having the prescription
2:11:27legally, to me, that doesn't
2:11:32jive with this urgency.
2:11:35However, if she brokered a deal for him
2:11:38to get it, and she knew she had deleted
2:11:41her SIM card, deleted it from her phone,
2:11:43but she couldn't be sure if Chris did.
2:11:46Uhhuh. That would spring me into action
2:11:49because I would say took I would just
2:11:51say he took it from my house. I don't
2:11:54think she could be sure what was on. He
2:11:56had a work phone and a personal phone.
2:11:57And I don't think she could be sure what
2:11:59was on either what was in the secret
2:12:01calculator app, but I think that she
2:12:04it's not her I I don't believe it was
2:12:06her prescription because that's an easy
2:12:08answer. I believe she brokered it in
2:12:11some way. And good job. She maybe
2:12:15brokered it for some way. And also, you
2:12:18know, her, you know, even though she's
2:12:20almost a, you know, conscious [ __ ] who
2:12:23cares about no one but herself in my
2:12:24opinion, allegedly all that stuff, even,
2:12:27you know, even though she's all that,
2:12:29you know, just so what if you what if
2:12:31maybe she broke it? Yeah, maybe she
2:12:33didn't. But what if she brokered it and
2:12:35she also had to even if for just a
2:12:37moment reflect on the reason why she
2:12:42brokered it? What if she had that
2:12:44knowledge of for the reason of why there
2:12:48was a need to broker that relationship
2:12:51that would yield that you know
2:12:54restricted medic narcotic and
2:12:57furthermore
2:12:59what if the reason that she had to
2:13:02create that relationship to broker that
2:13:04deal on behalf of one Mr.
2:13:08Pansy pants Chris Watts. What if that
2:13:11reason was um
2:13:15a product of her
2:13:17behavior, Mhm. her um creative thinking,
2:13:23her um inability to control her impulses
2:13:29and emotions and temper and
2:13:32um
2:13:34hysteria. if she fears somebody is going
2:13:38to leave her and she doesn't want that
2:13:40or you know because there is some gray
2:13:43area I mean if we were you know
2:13:45exploring this possibly as a topic for
2:13:48you know a juicy you know plotline for a
2:13:52fiction true crime novel only the people
2:13:55involved would really know if that is
2:13:57exactly what happened or if it were a
2:13:59collaboration between she and Chris
2:14:02Watts during one of those conversations
2:14:05about, you know, how, you know, your
2:14:08wife has put you at such a financial
2:14:10disadvantage. She's so selfish. I would
2:14:12never do that. How could she do that?
2:14:14Chris, you dumb bastard. You think she's
2:14:16making this much selling Thrive? Wake
2:14:19up, bro. Bro, smack smack upside the
2:14:21head. Um, [ __ ] whip [ __ ] right? Like,
2:14:25this is, you know, and then he's finally
2:14:27like, "Oh my god." And I, you know,
2:14:29maybe in this fictional world, the
2:14:31reality starts to hit him and he's like,
2:14:34you know what? Oh, like, well, I don't
2:14:38know if I can intellectually go there
2:14:39because I'm a dumb bastard, but NK says
2:14:42it's so and you know, right now I'm, you
2:14:45know, everything is NK. So now Chris
2:14:47also thinks it's so because I have no
2:14:49spine or personality or constitution of
2:14:51my own. So I am essentially an extension
2:14:53of her, right? and and to and with easy
2:14:57easily turning my back on my former
2:15:00personality Shenan just like I did to my
2:15:03mother Cindy when you know all of a
2:15:05sudden I became an extension of Shenan
2:15:06right so this is all you know part of it
2:15:08but those are kind of
2:15:12you know details that we don't need to
2:15:13go into so what if all of that was going
2:15:15on and what if you know even if you are
2:15:18Nicole Kessinger and you are entitled
2:15:20and you have gotten yourself in a lot of
2:15:22trouble doing things that are immoral
2:15:24that are violent ent that could harm
2:15:26people, that could kill people, that
2:15:27disrespect the law, that disrespect your
2:15:30community, that disrespect peers, that
2:15:32disrespect wives, that say [ __ ] you to
2:15:35any woman in a relationship, married or
2:15:38otherwise, with any man that she wants
2:15:42to
2:15:43um use as a as a pansy to, you know,
2:15:48reflect back at her how wonderful she
2:15:50is. she can fulfill all of her
2:15:52hedonistic selfish sort of, you know,
2:15:56needs that I believe she had a lot of,
2:15:59you know, these personality traits are a
2:16:00different type of situation. But even if
2:16:02you're all that like pretty shitty
2:16:03person, if you know, you know that
2:16:07you're at the very least that your
2:16:09boyfriend who you are planning to marry
2:16:13because hey, in fact, wait till we go
2:16:16over the timeline on Tuesday night. I
2:16:17want to give that a little bit of things
2:16:19that happened the week that they came
2:16:21home from North Carolina before the
2:16:23murders, especially on that Tuesday.
2:16:26That was a very, very, very, very busy
2:16:29day for Chris Watts. And I think some
2:16:31decisions were made by several parties
2:16:33on that day. Well, Shannan unknowingly
2:16:37was so excited that Chris agreed to go
2:16:39to um the first ultrasound where they
2:16:42could hear the baby's heartbeat with
2:16:44her. and it was at 7:00 or around there
2:16:47that evening and she just thought that
2:16:48was hope for the future of the
2:16:50relationship and you know all that but
2:16:52he really he stayed at Nicole
2:16:54Kessinger's house until minutes before
2:16:56he had to leave for the appointment
2:16:58being a little bit late for the
2:16:59appointment. He deleted his Facebook
2:17:01account on that day. On that day Nicole
2:17:05Kassinger searched for wedding dresses
2:17:07for hours
2:17:10and um junk. There's something really
2:17:13there's a couple other really important
2:17:15things that happened that day that made
2:17:16that clearly a really important day
2:17:19where you know the universe kind of
2:17:22turned for everyone involved there. You
2:17:24know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know
2:17:26what one thing Enk talks about? Um and
2:17:30maybe it's because she claims that she
2:17:32she didn't know of of the baby, but she
2:17:36but we know that's a lie. And I wonder
2:17:38if it's like a subconscious lie. She
2:17:41talks about finding an apartment for the
2:17:43girls in him. And so I wonder if the
2:17:47girls were ever part of the original
2:17:52Lazy Dog plan. Well, you know what? We
2:17:55we we're going to we're going to talk a
2:17:56little more about that tomorrow night.
2:17:58And we actually do have more insight
2:18:00into that than we did, you know, before
2:18:02today. But obviously, you know, a lot of
2:18:05these, you know, again, a lot of these
2:18:06things are happening in the minds of of
2:18:08the the people, the part of Nicole and
2:18:10Chris, right? Um but um let's see. I
2:18:15still want to know what was purchased at
2:18:18Home Depot right before the lazy dog. I
2:18:22don't know. I for the when we will
2:18:23explore that, but for the purposes of
2:18:25tonight, I'm going to have to
2:18:28It was It doesn't m It doesn't matter.
2:18:30It doesn't matter for the purposes of
2:18:31tonight cuz we have to get to I'm sorry
2:18:33I don't mean to be rude. We have to get
2:18:35to the importance of of the her guilty
2:18:38conscience, what she knew um what she
2:18:41was collaborating with Watts. And then
2:18:44there's this extension of
2:18:47what she came to law enforcement
2:18:50presenting, how they responded, what
2:18:53they knew, what they knew, the purpose
2:18:57of her illegal activities for they knew
2:19:01exactly what she was doing broker if she
2:19:04broke her, you know, if she broke her
2:19:05something. She said, "Yeah, maybe I've
2:19:07done that before. You know, um would
2:19:09that require me to, you know, like break
2:19:11my SIM card? Cuz if it does, I'll do
2:19:12that. no problem.
2:19:14um you know and they knew through their
2:19:19well just through you know just through
2:19:20kind of common sense but also their
2:19:22investigative efforts including
2:19:25the little piece by Dave Bombhover that
2:19:29is the only piece of investigative
2:19:32product that survived
2:19:35their cleaning of the discovery and all
2:19:39other records for the exclusive purpose
2:19:43of living up to their end of the bargain
2:19:46and protecting
2:19:48Chris Watt's mistress in certain ways
2:19:51for certain reasons. And as far as I can
2:19:54tell, still getting literally nothing
2:19:57but a a cranky, demanding, entitled,
2:20:00whiny [ __ ] they have to deal with in
2:20:03their way of the actual investigation.
2:20:06and you know and who obviously they
2:20:08didn't investigate but you know I had to
2:20:10put that out the table because they had
2:20:11made that decision.
2:20:15So one could probably extend you know
2:20:20maybe just you know get a little crazy
2:20:22and you know start to daydream a little
2:20:24bit use their imagination and you might
2:20:27like you know entering into your train
2:20:29of thought might be that oh my god like
2:20:31wait a minute hold it. Yeah. So, you
2:20:34know, he definitely got that either to
2:20:36for the miscarriager to kill his family,
2:20:38one both whoever to murder his family,
2:20:41one or all of them. Um, yeah. So, if she
2:20:44knew about that, dude, that's freaking
2:20:46horrible. Oh, wait. Well, obviously then
2:20:47that means she knew what he was planning
2:20:50to do. And wait a minute. Hol
2:20:54that means actually that she
2:20:58was an accessory. She knew what he was
2:21:00going to do. She knew what he needed.
2:21:03why he needed it, that he couldn't
2:21:05obtain it, that this plan was the best
2:21:07one they had, that this had to happen.
2:21:11This had to happen. It means they
2:21:14conspired.
2:21:15Yeah. And do and who and you know the
2:21:17one this had to happen more for him or
2:21:20more for her, you know. What do you guys
2:21:22think? Right.
2:21:24Who had the urgency to have it happen
2:21:26like now? I can't tolerate it anymore.
2:21:28you know, in the um inter
2:21:3216th when she's talking to Kobe, she's
2:21:34like, "Yeah, you know, I was like when
2:21:36the when when his wife or the girls are
2:21:38around, you know, it's like chill, but
2:21:40you know, she says, you know what I do?
2:21:42You know, sometimes, you know, it does
2:21:43get a little hard and you know what I
2:21:45do? I just call him and I say, you know,
2:21:46well, this is like a little hard. I
2:21:48don't like but I'm like, you know, but
2:21:49you got to spend your time with the
2:21:50girls." Well, you know, [ __ ] that was
2:21:53a total of like, you know, because we're
2:21:56like, so, so let's not count the day
2:21:57that they were, you know, um, did see
2:21:59each other and had a date and went to
2:22:00Lazy Dog because they still got their
2:22:02time together. So, that would be a total
2:22:04of like 4 and 1/2 days over their entire
2:22:07relationship. But the most recent 4 and
2:22:091/2 days, but in those 4 and 1/2 days
2:22:12when the children were actually around
2:22:14in their love space in Colorado in his
2:22:18home, but you know, just like in their
2:22:19way and Shan, oh my god, she
2:22:23absolutely could not tolerate it. And
2:22:29she, you know, completely flipped out to
2:22:32a point that from what I understand
2:22:35scared him pretty substantially.
2:22:38But then, you know, he already
2:22:41at this point had told his parent on the
2:22:456th, the one day that he got to see his
2:22:47family for a few hours the whole time he
2:22:49was in North Carolina. All just kind of
2:22:51[ __ ] up things going on. Like Chris,
2:22:52like we talk about all these indicators
2:22:54of these people being in a state of
2:22:57crisis and they're screaming and that
2:23:00like tragic like horrible things were
2:23:02going to happen. everything was in set
2:23:06into motion long ago and now we're at
2:23:09the critical junctures
2:23:11where you know a miracle is going to
2:23:12happen. Um you know that you're going to
2:23:15have a savior or an angel. Um you know
2:23:18sometimes dumb fate steps in or you know
2:23:23um you know you're you know here here's
2:23:27your crisis, good luck. depending on
2:23:29other things that are happening, other
2:23:31factors, you know, you can assess
2:23:34whether that crisis is going to be a
2:23:36tragic crisis or not. And you know, I
2:23:39think, you know, from my perspective,
2:23:41it's safe to say if one were to have
2:23:43accurate or fairly appropriately
2:23:45assessed the Watts family's life at that
2:23:49time, they would have been so alarmed.
2:23:54they would have understood that, you
2:23:57know, this is one of the rare cases
2:23:59where a crisis turning into a tragedy is
2:24:02almost
2:24:04um statistically favored. You know what
2:24:06I mean? I'm getting a little like um
2:24:09behavioral therapist there, but
2:24:12anyone have anything to say at that
2:24:13point? I take a breath.
2:24:19Um I to answer your question I think the
2:24:22urgency was on his part uh because of
2:24:26the court date because of the
2:24:29announcement of the gender
2:24:32uh because school was starting the why
2:24:35because of the announcement of the
2:24:37gender.
2:24:38Uh, I think it would make it more real
2:24:42and it would have put more eyes on him
2:24:45and it would have been because I I think
2:24:47he was secondg guessing himself. I think
2:24:49he was sure about it in North Carolina.
2:24:52I think he had started to pump the
2:24:54brakes that week and then that weekend
2:24:56that she went I I often wonder if she
2:24:58had not gone to Arizona, would she still
2:25:00be alive? Because I think that cemented
2:25:03it. So, I think he was vacasillating and
2:25:06so if they announce that they're finally
2:25:08having this boy and everybody's excited
2:25:11about it and it gives him a chance to
2:25:13sort of really absorb it, I I just think
2:25:18it would have been more eyes on him and
2:25:20it would have made this a whole lot
2:25:22harder. Mhm. See, the way my the way I
2:25:25look at it is he was, you know,
2:25:26vacasillating and, you know, it was it
2:25:30was perhaps his mistress's
2:25:33urgency to make this [ __ ] stop right
2:25:36now. He saw a totally different side of
2:25:38her. And that side of her was not only
2:25:40just unpleasant, undesirable, and
2:25:43intolerable,
2:25:44but it was also cunning, calculating,
2:25:50um, and
2:25:52what's the word I can use that would be
2:25:54um, frightening. Yeah, absolutely.
2:25:58That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I don't
2:26:00think he was scared of her. I think
2:26:02beguiling like he I think he was just so
2:26:06enamored by her. So maybe that sense of
2:26:09urgency was on on both sides. I cannot I
2:26:14can't see um a path to and I do believe
2:26:18Nicole has some sort of
2:26:22immunity whatever bombshell news she
2:26:25shared.
2:26:26My gut is that if she
2:26:30whether No, wait, wait, wait, wait,
2:26:31wait, hold. I got to wait. Let me
2:26:33because this is this is parlaying right
2:26:34into the bombshell news when we when we
2:26:37start there there's there's there's more
2:26:40information about like the law
2:26:41enforcement end of it. Oh crap. But they
2:26:44were well law Oh god, I can't see. This
2:26:47is the stuff that I Okay, so the people
2:26:50that were interviewing her, the district
2:26:52attorney,
2:26:55my opinion is after what I've learned
2:26:56today, let me say it like this. My
2:26:58opinion is, and this is my opinion only.
2:27:00I don't know this for a fact. I was not
2:27:03there. I am not in the mind of the
2:27:05person I am speaking about. Therefore,
2:27:07this is my opinion. Um,
2:27:12Chris Watt's mistress
2:27:14perhaps brokered a deal because he had a
2:27:17need that he had no [ __ ] clue how to
2:27:19fulfill on his own. And that need was
2:27:23thrilling to her, was exciting to her
2:27:25like in this like all the wrong, you
2:27:27know, in this like, you know, delinquent
2:27:28kind of way because this finally
2:27:32affirmed, you know, his love for her,
2:27:35his willingness to move her from the,
2:27:39you know, lowly position number two,
2:27:42second fiddle of mistress to the desired
2:27:45to the coveted to this sought after her
2:27:49per perhaps even, you know, her biggest
2:27:53dream because I just really think she I
2:27:55I think she had sights on him. I think
2:27:57this was all she wanted at that point
2:27:58because I just had that personality kind
2:28:01of profile on her. She this this was her
2:28:04opportunity to move right up into that
2:28:07coveted spot and nothing was going to
2:28:10stop her. And she is mentally unstable
2:28:14and she is um she does not see the
2:28:19wrongdoing
2:28:20and harming other people to fulfill
2:28:24whatever the [ __ ] she wants. And I'm
2:28:26going to say this and I stand by it. I
2:28:28think he was drugged and I don't know
2:28:29how early it started. Certainly by the
2:28:31time they got to the porch, eyes
2:28:33dilated. I don't know how early they
2:28:36maybe started experimenting, but he
2:28:38Yeah, I think they were doing
2:28:40recreational activities together. Yeah,
2:28:42I not in his completely right mind
2:28:46either. And so I don't know if that's
2:28:48what he gave Shenan. I don't know if
2:28:50they were trying other things. No, but
2:28:53see, I'm saying I I'm saying Okay, so
2:28:55what I'm I'm saying is I just want to be
2:28:57I know I just want to try to get this
2:28:59out. like I don't know how to say it
2:29:01without I do know what he was giving I
2:29:04do know what he w we this is this is
2:29:06known this is known by people um people
2:29:10have informed me that maybe I want to
2:29:12know about this and of among those
2:29:16people who know like the answers to
2:29:18those questions are um you know kind of
2:29:22a surprising crew of people
2:29:25um that we have been listening to
2:29:28interact interview Nicole Kessinger and
2:29:30Chris Watts for years. Um, and from my
2:29:34perspective, and I don't know, maybe
2:29:35some of you were like, "Oh, you know, I
2:29:37figure that could be a possibility." I I
2:29:39never really never really crossed my
2:29:41mind that they knew that she she she did
2:29:44that and and what she did was absolutely
2:29:47it's criminal. And the more in the by
2:29:52far the most criminal part of it, I mean
2:29:55in this kind of idea I have in my mind
2:29:59um is the intention
2:30:03and the um
2:30:06and the the colluding that was behind
2:30:08it, the plan that was created that she
2:30:10was a part of in that guilty
2:30:12consciousness that existed. And even in
2:30:15a person with a very little
2:30:16consciousness
2:30:17is always there. And um
2:30:22um
2:30:25she didn't offer anything
2:30:28from my understanding she really didn't
2:30:29offer anything to law enforcement that
2:30:31was
2:30:33that mattered about Watts or Watson his
2:30:37like what would have mattered most was
2:30:38just to have those phone records and for
2:30:40things to not be deleted and to be able
2:30:42to review them without her warped
2:30:44narrative of every her warped self-s
2:30:45serving narrative of everything. All
2:30:47that did was cloud the investigative
2:30:49waters, you know, and leave, you know,
2:30:52other things that investigators may have
2:30:53to now look into because she put it out
2:30:55there. We have to do our due diligence
2:30:56and Jesus Christ, we want to be
2:30:58investigating this case. As a matter of
2:30:59fact, on September 4th, you know, over
2:31:03two months before he a he made that plea
2:31:06agreement, they're refusing to analyze
2:31:08evidence that they collected from his
2:31:09[ __ ] truck. They would have let them
2:31:11know if [ __ ] was in his truck that
2:31:13night. it would have been pretty
2:31:15conclusive as to whether or not she was
2:31:18at the crime scene because that was
2:31:20absolutely part of the crime scene. They
2:31:22would have known if any members of the
2:31:25family were alive or not because one and
2:31:28maybe one and a half was and I know it's
2:31:29terrible to say, but it's the truth. But
2:31:31they did not know that. And we know they
2:31:33didn't know that because Ror went with a
2:31:35story even in court in front of the
2:31:38judge that he loaded three deceased
2:31:41bodies into that truck. He put the Rusev
2:31:46family through hell twice and the second
2:31:49one hotter because he didn't bother to
2:31:52[ __ ] follow up on the investigative
2:31:55on the key investigative pieces that are
2:31:59like you know um you know law
2:32:02enforcement 101. I'm just as mad as you
2:32:05are about it, Kelly, but you've got the
2:32:08the depth and the passion there. You're
2:32:11spitting nails, lady. Yeah, I've been
2:32:14look I've been immersed in this for
2:32:16three days and then on the third day I
2:32:18try to do a live stream and my computer
2:32:20spits at me
2:32:23there see what's happening in chat but
2:32:26there's a vintage Rose who says she has
2:32:29like
2:32:31significant information she's willing to
2:32:33turn her camera on. It's been like a a
2:32:35running thread. Kez is like I'm going to
2:32:37try to catch her. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yes,
2:32:39absolutely.
2:32:40Art wants to come up because she's got
2:32:42Yeah, I would love for her to come up.
2:32:44I'm sorry. I thought you earlier I tried
2:32:45to click on you and it was giving me
2:32:47that like like uh devices and whatever
2:32:49but at the time I was saying yeah
2:32:53it's hard keeping up with the chat. It's
2:32:55moving so fast. It is. Do you It doesn't
2:32:58If Do you know how to slow down Cass or
2:33:00Jod or do you want me to Doesn't need to
2:33:01slow down. One of us will slow it down.
2:33:03But I just want to say and I I'm guys
2:33:05that are talking right now. I'm so sorry
2:33:07because normally I would never cut you
2:33:08off or say no no no no we can't talk
2:33:09about that because that's not towards my
2:33:11goal tonight but it has to be that way
2:33:13because
2:33:15the the information that that we that
2:33:18we're that we're just not it's the
2:33:20information that we now know to be part
2:33:22of reality that fact it is so certain
2:33:25and all of this will be part of your
2:33:27knowledge when it's the appropriate
2:33:29time. Again I have to be really careful
2:33:32because I don't want to hurt other
2:33:33people that are innocent. I don't want
2:33:35to accuse people of doing things that
2:33:36they did not do. I don't want to harm my
2:33:39channel. I don't want to, you know, any
2:33:41I don't anything bad to happen to
2:33:42somebody that said anything else on so I
2:33:44just really have to kind of like
2:33:46understand what the parameters are here
2:33:48and take charge of it. And that's why,
2:33:50you know, we have our new watch the
2:33:52accession legal counsel very helpful. Is
2:33:54any of it um relative to the 111 minute
2:33:59phone call that NK doesn't remember what
2:34:01they talked about?
2:34:04Yes. I mean, and and it all is, but yes,
2:34:07there there is there are some things um
2:34:10known about that call. There are some
2:34:14things known about that call that aren't
2:34:16that, you know, that to me aren't as
2:34:19like, holy cow, because there the
2:34:21uncertainties that exist because nobody
2:34:23else was on that phone call. There's the
2:34:25problem, right?
2:34:26um leave it, you know, kind like I I I I
2:34:30need we need to keep we all need to keep
2:34:32questioning that and looking into it and
2:34:35using our resources to find out what we
2:34:36can um and talking to the people that we
2:34:39can who were, you know, right in it at
2:34:43that time, which is an opportunity I've
2:34:45had only over the past like 6 months or
2:34:48so. Um, and it's been very very helpful
2:34:51and I hope you know those relationships
2:34:53can become more trusting and um, you
2:34:57know, whatever that we have the same
2:34:59goal and we can continue to help each
2:35:01other in that regard because you know
2:35:02people that actually had the experience
2:35:05of the experience. I mean, I know that
2:35:07we all had this shock and kind of like
2:35:09traumatic reaction to it, but people
2:35:11imagine the people like that were in it.
2:35:15The friends of I mean, I
2:35:17it's just, you know, it's it's so huge.
2:35:20is why so many of us are always the W
2:35:23case W case we can't let it go because
2:35:25this is just one of those monumental
2:35:27cases that you know the human the human
2:35:30mind will not let go because it's like
2:35:33well this situation flipped through the
2:35:36cracks at this point in our evolution we
2:35:39should have adaptively eliminated this
2:35:42possibility
2:35:44you know but there you know something
2:35:47like that I feel I feel very strongly
2:35:49that there's just no room for corruption
2:35:52and there's a lot absolutely a lot of
2:35:54corruption in this case. Absolutely.
2:35:57Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, there is. Um is
2:36:00vintage art backstage or did we drop?
2:36:03No, I'm I'm putting the link to panel
2:36:04right now. Sorry, I'm like this. There
2:36:07we go. Link is in panel right now. I
2:36:08don't see vintage art backstage, but I
2:36:10just put the link in panel or I'm sorry
2:36:12in chat for you. Vintage art.
2:36:15I didn't even catch that.
2:36:18I know.
2:36:20You're w
2:36:22Yeah. One thing I will never share is
2:36:25anything that I find out on your channel
2:36:28without telling you first. And that's
2:36:30kind of one of our agreements and you
2:36:35can eat the fish, throw away the bones,
2:36:36but you know, I I understand what you're
2:36:39trying to do. And even with the bits of
2:36:43information I have, I would rather give
2:36:45it to you cohesively. you figure out.
2:36:48Oh, well, and I will tell you more in a
2:36:50private conversation, Chris, because we
2:36:51have a relationship like that. I just,
2:36:53you know, you and you you know, but I
2:36:55just want you to know I'll never be
2:36:56like, "Girl, let me tell you what I
2:36:58found out today." Oh, no. I know you
2:37:01wouldn't. Oh, I I know that about you.
2:37:03Thank you for saying so. And I I you
2:37:05know, I then, you know, I really
2:37:06appreciate you so much. And you know,
2:37:07you have so much to add to the
2:37:08conversation always. I feel bad a couple
2:37:10times like, "No, we can't even go there
2:37:11tonight because that's just going to
2:37:12confuse things." And we need to get
2:37:14really clear on what
2:37:17I'm really clear is what happened. And
2:37:19I'm just so sorry I can't make it
2:37:20crystal clear to you, but I mean it's
2:37:22just really it's you know I mean maybe I
2:37:24should have waited a little I I I just I
2:37:26I I I didn't. Here we are. And I think
2:37:28that's fine too.
2:37:31I got a really busy week ahead and we
2:37:32still have to I don't know. Yeah, I'm
2:37:34justifying it for myself. Did you get
2:37:36the link? Um vintage rose. Yes, I think.
2:37:39Yeah, vintage art. Awesome. Cool. You
2:37:42good? All right, I'm gonna bring you up.
2:37:43Okay. All right. So, everybody, I am
2:37:45bringing um vintage art up on panel. And
2:37:48we also have Chris, Justin, Nilda. Love
2:37:51you, Na. And I'm bringing vintage art
2:37:54up. Hello. How's it going? Hi. Can you
2:37:58hear me? Okay. Yeah, I can. How are you
2:38:00doing? I'm good. Sorry, I was being so
2:38:03annoying in chat, but I I was on back I
2:38:06was backstage and then it kicked me out
2:38:07for some reason. I'm sorry about that.
2:38:09Yeah, Streamyard isn't always inviting.
2:38:11It's like invite up guests and then I'm
2:38:13just going to be like, "No, I don't
2:38:14think so."
2:38:16No, I actually think it was me because I
2:38:18was uh doing the dishes and I grabbed a
2:38:20cup of coffee and then I set my I was
2:38:23holding my phone and I just set my cup
2:38:25coffee cup on my phone for a second to
2:38:27grab a treat for the dog and so I think
2:38:29I kicked myself. Oh yeah, I tried to
2:38:31bring you up and I got the message
2:38:33saying that your device was no longer
2:38:34connected. So that kind of makes sense.
2:38:36Yeah, I think it was my fault. Well,
2:38:39good.
2:38:40So, what do you think? What what So,
2:38:42what do you what do you have for the
2:38:44conversation? And I just also want
2:38:45everyone to know really quick that, you
2:38:47know, there this is what we've talked
2:38:49about so far. This is certainly this is
2:38:50not the whole of it at all. I always
2:38:52think I'm going to get through more than
2:38:53I can in a live stream. That's like just
2:38:54like a given, but this per but you know,
2:38:57I'm happy with where we are because I
2:38:58think we've established I think I we've
2:39:01been clear enough without being able to
2:39:03be as direct as normally one would be. I
2:39:05hope that's the case. Um, and I just
2:39:07want you all know that I'm not trying to
2:39:08be, you know, intentionally like weird
2:39:11or I just I just want to do things the
2:39:14right way for everybody's benefit,
2:39:16especially for the victims and
2:39:17especially for the sake of justice. So,
2:39:19with that said, go ahead.
2:39:22Um well, as far as um NK goes, I' I've
2:39:27been following this case literally since
2:39:30the day it hit the news. And I said in
2:39:33the chat, um Shannan's uh Facebook lives
2:39:37would come up on my Facebook all the
2:39:40time, and I I don't even know why. Um
2:39:43but I would watch them and everything
2:39:44like that. I never really commented or
2:39:46anything, but I was like I instantly was
2:39:48like um just thought that she was very
2:39:51energetic and you know she was just a
2:39:53very entertaining to watch. So just you
2:39:56know whenever they came on I would watch
2:39:58them and stuff like that and you know
2:39:59always thought how cute little girls
2:40:01were and everything like that. So, I was
2:40:04in my living room one day and u just you
2:40:06know doing chores and stuff like that.
2:40:08And then um you know I knew her name
2:40:11because it was up on my Facebook and my
2:40:13husband was in there watching the news
2:40:15and I heard Shenan Shannan Watts and I
2:40:18ran into the living room and then that's
2:40:19when her photo popped up and I freaked.
2:40:22I was like, "Oh my god." Oh. Oh. So you
2:40:25were watching her on like Facebook
2:40:27before she was murdered. Yes. Yes.
2:40:30Okay. I got you. Okay. That's wild. That
2:40:33is really So when she when I heard, you
2:40:37know, whatever they were saying on the
2:40:39news, Shannan Watts, whatever, I I was
2:40:41in the kitchen. Um, and I ran into the
2:40:44living room and everything and my
2:40:45husband was sitting there and I was
2:40:46like, "Oh my god." And he goes, "What?"
2:40:48And I go, "I I don't know her, but I
2:40:52know her." You know, and um and he's
2:40:55like, "What?" And I was like, "Be quiet.
2:40:57Be quiet." you know, cuz I was trying to
2:40:58and I was freaking out um because she
2:41:02would come up on my Facebook all the
2:41:03time and um so yeah, I've I've literally
2:41:06followed it since the day um it broke on
2:41:09the news and everything like that and
2:41:11you know uh it was about maybe um
2:41:16uh nine months to a year or whatever
2:41:19like that. I reached out to Nicole
2:41:21Atkinson and we had we had spoken um
2:41:24several times. She never went into
2:41:27um any any details or anything like with
2:41:30me. I I I wouldn't ask her anyway. I
2:41:32think that would be really
2:41:33inappropriate. And um yeah, I'm on I'm
2:41:35on actually on her Thrive downline and
2:41:37I've never asked about this or I'm just
2:41:40like I don't want I don't want to be
2:41:41like you know I just let her have the
2:41:43normal relationships. Yeah. Right.
2:41:45Right. But um you know like she she
2:41:47would put um post videos up especially
2:41:50you know the first several months or
2:41:51whatever after all this happened. Um,
2:41:54and there was this one that she posted
2:41:55because I follow her and um, yeah, I
2:41:59reached out to her. I love listening to
2:42:00her talk. I I love I like her post. I
2:42:02think she's really refreshing. Yeah.
2:42:05Yeah. And I reached out to her and um,
2:42:08we just started chatting and stuff. We
2:42:09started, you know, messaging each other
2:42:11or whatever like that. But she's um,
2:42:14she's a really, really nice lady. Um,
2:42:16and you know, she
2:42:19had just been bombarded with emails and,
2:42:23you know, everything under the sun and
2:42:25family being contacted and all these
2:42:27rumors being spread around her and um,
2:42:30you know, everyone saying, "Oh, you
2:42:32know, she's you're a hero and how she
2:42:36hates it because she's just she's really
2:42:38is just a normal lady." Um, and who is
2:42:41just looking out for her friend. She
2:42:42doesn't Yeah. She doesn't see it as
2:42:44that. And she does like I don't think
2:42:45this should be seen as hero behavior. I
2:42:47was just doing what you do for your
2:42:49friend, right? Something like that.
2:42:50Yeah.
2:42:52Yeah. Exactly. People have trashed her
2:42:55too in the past. Oh, I know. I can't
2:42:57stand that. We do not even tolerate that
2:42:59here. No. And then to top it off, she
2:43:02had to fight cancer right after losing
2:43:05Shenan. Yeah. I reached out to her a few
2:43:08years ago, too, just to offer her
2:43:11support. Some love. Yeah, that's great.
2:43:14Yeah, she she was really sweet.
2:43:16Yeah, and I and I just can't imagine
2:43:18everything that she's gone through and
2:43:20stuff. And you know, you know, she's
2:43:23anytime, you know, she even told me um
2:43:27in the you know, her circle of trust has
2:43:29gotten extremely small, which I totally
2:43:31understand.
2:43:33Uh but anytime that she actually would,
2:43:36you know, open up a little bit or start
2:43:39trusting somebody,
2:43:42they would they would um stab her in the
2:43:44back or they would do something like
2:43:46that, which was awful because again, she
2:43:50made it very clear that she doesn't
2:43:51trust a lot of people and stuff. Uh
2:43:53clearly and you know, there was a few
2:43:55people that reached out to her and then
2:43:57they ended up, you know, trying to fish
2:43:59for information or whatever. you know,
2:44:02and I'm just like, that's just
2:44:03disgusting. It really is. Yeah. That's
2:44:06why I don't want to even bring anything
2:44:07up to her because I don't want her to
2:44:08associate me as being a possible like,
2:44:11you know, like life sucker like that.
2:44:12She doesn't even need that, you know,
2:44:14because I'm not and I don't want her to
2:44:16even have that fear triggered, you know.
2:44:18Exactly. Exactly. But, um, with the
2:44:21whole NK thing, I'm sorry, my puppy is
2:44:25jumping. I can do a little puppy. So
2:44:27cute. I love it.
2:44:29Um, as far as the NK thing goes,
2:44:33I I am well, first of all,
2:44:37I I have a degree in psychology and
2:44:39human services as well and behavioral.
2:44:41Um, I I I am I want to puke with the way
2:44:47this was handled. Oh, yeah. I I think it
2:44:50was um completely reckless on Da Roor's
2:44:54part. Um I think it was unprofessional.
2:44:57I think it was biased and I think that
2:45:02he was too uh concerned about his
2:45:04election coming up and stuff that he
2:45:06didn't want to put another one in the
2:45:07book for just one second to impress upon
2:45:10people who maybe you know are having now
2:45:13I agree with you on all of that very
2:45:14well said and just just imagine just
2:45:17imagine we're just imagining here
2:45:19nothing more imagine all that which is
2:45:22totally spot on and then imagine also
2:45:25that he knew knew
2:45:27um that Chris Watt's mistress came to
2:45:30law enforcement initially exclusively
2:45:32for the purpose of getting ahead of
2:45:35something she knew that she was well
2:45:37aware that they were going to find out
2:45:39beyond a shadow of a doubt that carried
2:45:41heavy criminal penalties, felony
2:45:44penalties, possible incarceration.
2:45:47And then it occurs to her maybe just in
2:45:50this just thinking about it that and oh
2:45:53my god and if they ever knew any element
2:45:56of the intention, you know, I I mean
2:46:00that could be accessory to three
2:46:03homicides and that could mean spending
2:46:05the rest of your life not on an oil rig
2:46:08but in a state prison. Just imagine
2:46:11that. And imagine if he knew all that.
2:46:13her motivation, her part, her part.
2:46:18Imagine if that were the case and he
2:46:21still did things just like we witnessed
2:46:23him do that do things. I think that
2:46:27would change everything and um you know
2:46:32if people started to get it there would
2:46:34be such a critical mass of rage that I
2:46:38mean things are g would have to shift in
2:46:40that universe. My gosh. You know what I
2:46:42mean? Well, and this is the thing that
2:46:45blows my mind, too. If I were clearly
2:46:48the attorney general is aware of this
2:46:49case. It was known all over. So, if I
2:46:53were the attorney general, this wouldn't
2:46:55have flied with me whatsoever because I
2:46:58don't care if Chris so quote unquote
2:47:00confessed, you still have to do a
2:47:03thorough investigation. You still have
2:47:06to speak to every single witness. And
2:47:08the fact that they shut down that house
2:47:1248 hours, that's unheard of. The fact
2:47:15that they shut that house down, that
2:47:17would not fly with me whatsoever. And do
2:47:20we all know exact when the house was
2:47:22shut down? Do are you aware of that? Do
2:47:24you want to talk about that or what? Do
2:47:27you want you want to or you want me to?
2:47:29Oh, you like who showed up? Who showed
2:47:31up? And then it immediately shut down.
2:47:34Uhuh. It was Yeah, it was Steve Ren and
2:47:37uh other dude, not Ror, but his other
2:47:40underling from the district's attorney's
2:47:42office, officer Lean, who was, you know,
2:47:45being like, you know, guard on the
2:47:46outside, making sure nobody did anything
2:47:48to to alter the exterior or interior, of
2:47:51course, crime scene in any which way.
2:47:53Didn't even know who they were, but she
2:47:54said, "Oh, yeah, you don't look like
2:47:55you're, you know, reporters or
2:47:56whatever." They showed their badges.
2:47:58They stated their names. They went in
2:48:00within 21 minutes of that entrance into
2:48:04that house. The crime scene was shut
2:48:07down and that investigative part of this
2:48:11I failure to investigate was officially
2:48:16done. Right. And and another thing that
2:48:19just like makes me speechless is that
2:48:23they are that entire department.
2:48:26everybody. Who where have you seen ever
2:48:30in in any crime, anything ever where the
2:48:35department or the DA or whoever is so
2:48:38self-absorbed? Yeah. That they actually
2:48:40have the audacity to put a plaque up on
2:48:45the police department, you know,
2:48:47gloating themselves saying that we you
2:48:49didn't solve anything. You closed it
2:48:52down. because if you solved it, then we
2:48:54wouldn't have a million questions and
2:48:57you didn't do your job. You wanted to
2:48:59put another one in the books and stuff.
2:49:01He's known for going for the death
2:49:04penalty and he he did a really really
2:49:07shoddy job on this and and
2:49:12that Yeah. Oh my god. I know. It's
2:49:15horrible. It's horrible. And he I mean
2:49:18like you know and one of the most
2:49:19enriching parts for I mean everybody
2:49:21please come back on Tuesday because
2:49:22we're going to watch the whole part two.
2:49:24I think it's like two and African hours
2:49:25and it's full of full of full of things
2:49:28and and then we have to continue. Oh my
2:49:30gosh. We have to continue this. But I'm
2:49:32going to get my my the legal aspect. I'm
2:49:34going to you know make a nice clear
2:49:36outline of um information that's good to
2:49:38go so I can just say it and then just be
2:49:40clear on what I can't say because I'm
2:49:42just freaking scared right now. But um
2:49:45um um crap. What was I going to say? I
2:49:47lost my train. Oh, no. I know. That he
2:49:49Oh, God. That their failure to
2:49:51investigate
2:49:53evidence that they had already done the
2:49:55work to get. It wasn't that hard. And I
2:49:57have a new piece on this in the um part
2:50:00two,
2:50:02the failure to simply
2:50:04fill out a form to send that evidence to
2:50:08the lab. The lab analysts are being lab
2:50:11analysts all day long. And you know how
2:50:12crime labs run. They don't ever shut
2:50:14down. They're just analyzing the crimes
2:50:16and the evidence, you know, collected
2:50:19from crime scenes. That's all they do.
2:50:21It's no sweat off anyone's back. It is
2:50:24procedural.
2:50:26And procedural,
2:50:29if those procedural steps were taken
2:50:31like they always are, because those are
2:50:33ones you just don't miss. That's a
2:50:36no-brainer. That's a no fail. That's a
2:50:38free pass. If things happened like they
2:50:41always did and always should and should
2:50:43that should never change. Then he would
2:50:46have known that Bella and maybe Bella's
2:50:49elect were their lives were ultimately
2:50:52they took their life present 319. He
2:50:54would have had an understanding. It
2:50:55would have hopefully occurred to his
2:50:57heartless self. What they went through
2:50:59would have occurred to somebody else
2:51:01certainly. And the ruix would not be gas
2:51:06lit into making a decision about the
2:51:11course of the trial. That is the only,
2:51:16you know, mortal retribution that they
2:51:17had. It's the only, you know, the thing
2:51:20that might give them any sense of, you
2:51:22know, I hate the word closure, but, you
2:51:24know, anything other than suffering in
2:51:27this mortal world. He gaslit them into
2:51:30making a decision that they very well
2:51:33may have otherwise not made. And Sandy
2:51:35Russ even said so herself. And when she
2:51:37said so, I believe her because that
2:51:39woman says what she means and she means
2:51:41what she says. She's pretty damn clear.
2:51:43Um, he had no right to do that. And for
2:51:47what reason? Because he is lazy and
2:51:49self-absorbed and his ego is immens. But
2:51:52I don't think those would be reasons for
2:51:54him to just not follow the procedures.
2:51:56And I'll give you a hint and what I very
2:51:58strongly think the timing of Michael
2:52:01Prill's
2:52:03report being, you know, the that the
2:52:06that um October 30th date, the date of
2:52:08the plea deal and the date of the whole
2:52:11process that the plea deal went down
2:52:14combined with what certain people
2:52:19started to definitively definitively
2:52:22have to, you know, come to terms with
2:52:25that they They they now know this. Okay.
2:52:27Well, hey, that evidence is back. Yep.
2:52:29That's what happened. Yep. She came to
2:52:31us for that reason. She wanted this. We
2:52:34gave her that. We, you know, we did
2:52:37this. We can't undo it. She gave us
2:52:40nothing. Our investigation would have
2:52:42been better off without all that
2:52:43[ __ ] All we really wanted was her
2:52:45data. If she just didn't erase it, we
2:52:47didn't even need the [ __ ] And now that
2:52:51we see this whole picture, um, you know,
2:52:54I hope that they were I hope that they
2:52:56were um I hope that their conscience was
2:53:00shocked in a way that had never been
2:53:01before and that they still lie awake at
2:53:04night feeling guilt or anxiety or
2:53:07something about that. And if they don't,
2:53:10um, wow. You know, sociopaths don't feel
2:53:14any of that. Well, I'm talking about the
2:53:16investigators. No, I think Mark's a
2:53:18sociopath. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
2:53:20Oh, yeah. I actually with you on that.
2:53:23Well, he might. Yeah, I think he
2:53:24probably is. Yeah. Well, you know, you
2:53:27would never know because uh Tammy and
2:53:29Ror are going around teaching classes
2:53:31and stuff and and you know, gloating
2:53:33about, you know, talking about the Chris
2:53:35Wright and teaching it and here and
2:53:36there and she's another thing that that
2:53:39right there. Instead, uh, Tammy jumped
2:53:43on Facebook and so did her husband and
2:53:46was giving false information before he
2:53:49was even hauled off about uh, confessing
2:53:53to killing the girls and all this stuff.
2:53:54You're not supposed to do that. instead
2:53:56instead of firing her, which they should
2:53:59have done because you're not supposed to
2:54:01go on social media when you're um a you
2:54:04know a detective or when a an
2:54:06investigation is going on, which it was
2:54:07at that time, but instead of firing her
2:54:10immediately, they promoted her. They
2:54:13promoted the defense um the def Chris's
2:54:16defense attorney. I think he I I don't
2:54:19think that they tried either. I'm not I
2:54:21am not I am not going for you know I'm
2:54:23not saying that Chris is innocent or not
2:54:25but this entire thing I think there was
2:54:27a lot of shoddy deals done I think that
2:54:30when NK went in there and stuff and she
2:54:32was there with her dad I think she
2:54:34basically just spelled it out for them
2:54:36or her dad did for her
2:54:38um that she's not she has information
2:54:42but unless you sign this affidavit
2:54:44giving me full immunity I'm not saying a
2:54:46word and I think that this is my opinion
2:54:49only and And I think this uh you know um
2:54:53Roric wanted to get it over with. They
2:54:56got they got a you know the confession.
2:54:58They knew that Chris was weak. They knew
2:55:00they could do whatever and he said just
2:55:03do it. That is my opinion and I think
2:55:05that is the reason why
2:55:07um nothing happened to her because she
2:55:10made them sign something off that she
2:55:13would get full immunity for anything
2:55:15that she said um regardless of what was
2:55:19going on. And I think that he just like
2:55:21a shot in the dark, he just said, "Just
2:55:23do it." Because there's no other way
2:55:25that I can think of that she wasn't
2:55:27given full immunity before she spoke.
2:55:30Yeah. Because I don't think she would
2:55:31have spoke because she she's uh you
2:55:34know, and and the way they they did that
2:55:35entire thing, I wouldn't you know what I
2:55:38think plea deals should not ever ever
2:55:41ever occur, let alone work didn't even
2:55:44make him speak at sentencing. No,
2:55:48around that plea deal. It wasn't a deal.
2:55:49It was it was it was it was a it was a
2:55:51procedural path for work. So, he could
2:55:54have done what he needed to do. And I
2:55:55like the picture that's starting to
2:55:57become clear to me is exactly what you
2:55:58just said. Kender and her dad going in
2:56:00there and making these demands them
2:56:02being agreed to before they even knew
2:56:04what was going on. And I mean they, you
2:56:07know, totally they totally like fooled
2:56:09them into allowing her to come in there
2:56:13to let them know that she might know
2:56:15someone that's an accessory with guilty
2:56:19intent who you Oh [ __ ] though, but you
2:56:22just gave them immunity and h sorry for
2:56:25you. That is the bombshell. Yeah, it's
2:56:30clear. I mean it's it's literally I
2:56:33can't it's very clear guys. It's very
2:56:36clear and I I don't even know how like
2:56:38to you know for people like in in this
2:56:42case how this it's going to I guess it's
2:56:44probably going to have to what's going
2:56:45to be happening for us is going to have
2:56:47to be maybe a kind of gradual mental
2:56:49shift because it really is shocking but
2:56:52it is a shift. It changes everything.
2:56:54The only good news is I can see some
2:56:56clear paths to
2:56:59um that I couldn't see before that could
2:57:01um deliver complete justice for the
2:57:04victims at the very good news. But you
2:57:06know what, Kelly, I think at this point
2:57:08and I think to I think it was Vint
2:57:11Vintage was saying everybody attached to
2:57:13this case has been exalted. Even Chris's
2:57:16again his defense team, they've all been
2:57:19elevated. The only person who has it is
2:57:22probably the person with a conscience
2:57:23and that's bombover and he was or given
2:57:26an early retirement package and so you
2:57:30you can't walk all of that back. I and I
2:57:33personally think No, you can't. You
2:57:35can't. I mean, that doesn't sound
2:57:36irreparable. That's for sure. Well, and
2:57:39I think other aside from the PTSD, which
2:57:41I I believe wholeheartedly that he, you
2:57:44know, was suffering from. I think he
2:57:45could have
2:57:47that. I think Yeah, I think he I think
2:57:49he stopped and retired early because he
2:57:52is an upstanding detective. He has
2:57:55morals, integrity, and a conscience. And
2:57:57he knew all the crap that was going
2:57:58down. And I don't think he wanted to
2:58:00have any part of it. And I but I think
2:58:02he was coaxed out in the process. They
2:58:04may have made it um worth his while to
2:58:07leave. Agree. Agree. Yeah. I want to
2:58:10just go back really quickly now. So, I'm
2:58:12gl I'm so glad you said that because
2:58:13like I said, everything that we kind of
2:58:15went over or listened to again or talked
2:58:16about or looked at today. I promise you
2:58:18it was for a purpose. I had to like kind
2:58:20of patch it together really quickly for
2:58:21before the live stream and there's some
2:58:22things I probably could add that would
2:58:24have made it more meaningful. But I want
2:58:25to go back really quickly to page
2:58:3160 or I'm sorry 1769 real number in
2:58:35discovery to what um Nick from True
2:58:39Crime Rocket Science was talking about.
2:58:42I want to go back to that because like
2:58:44what you just said um sort of, you know,
2:58:47um it definitely um it definitely gives
2:58:50a wink to a wink and a nod to the point
2:58:52that I was trying to make, but I don't
2:58:55there wasn't enough background
2:58:56information for it to be made clearly.
2:58:58Just one second. I'm bring it into the
2:59:00stream about what was about what was in
2:59:03the basement. Well, here she'll all
2:59:06secrets will be revealed in about 10
2:59:08seconds, my friend. Just one sec.
2:59:11Um oops. If I if only if I pick the
2:59:14right channel to share. Um do
2:59:20stop screen. Present screen. Pick the
2:59:23right screen.
2:59:26Okay. Um
2:59:31Oh, here it is. It's a new video. Okay.
2:59:34Um, oh, I could just share my discovery,
2:59:36too, but either way, doesn't my brain is
2:59:38pretty much not working very well.
2:59:46I just want to go over. I want to hear
2:59:47about the books and stuff. Although he
2:59:49does write great books. I we don't have
2:59:51there's not there is no space for that
2:59:53tonight or anything else. All right. So
2:59:57right here page um 1769 real real number
3:00:01of the discovery
3:00:04oxycontton or oxycodone although we know
3:00:07it was part of the end of Shann's life
3:00:10at least and it was part of the plan to
3:00:13end Chris's family's life and well at
3:00:15the very least the unborn son. Um but we
3:00:18all know there was more to it than that
3:00:20too. Well,
3:00:23it you'll it was definitely more to it
3:00:25than that as well, but I think a lot of
3:00:27people are already on to that. The only
3:00:29little piece of that ever ever ever
3:00:35happening
3:00:36or and or
3:00:39that being known to law enforcement
3:00:45is a fact of this case
3:00:48that was not spoken about. It was not
3:00:52acknowledged.
3:00:53It was it I mean it literally had to
3:00:57have consciously been erased. Like a lot
3:00:59of the items in discovery that are
3:01:01critical as well that we've talked about
3:01:02before. The only little,
3:01:05you know, um the only evidence that that
3:01:08ever existed is this one these couple
3:01:11little lines here. And guess who left
3:01:13them there? And just like really kind of
3:01:15a random spot in one of his reports as
3:01:19being a search item that was uncovered
3:01:23through their investigative efforts and
3:01:25then deleted. I mean it is the oxy
3:01:30cotton and I do not think that is an
3:01:34accident.
3:01:38Do you understand what I'm saying? Along
3:01:39the lines you were just saying about
3:01:41bomb hover.
3:01:43Yeah, I agree. And someone and you know
3:01:46and the people that you the people that
3:01:48were part of the committee of decision
3:01:52makers who you know made the
3:01:58disgraceful decision that Okay. Yep.
3:02:00That's cool. Yep. All right. It's you
3:02:02need you need that to be gone.
3:02:05Mhm. Even though I mean even though even
3:02:07even though what it m you need that to
3:02:09be gone. Yeah, we'll do that for you. Um
3:02:12I just think they I just think they
3:02:13didn't see it and I think that's why
3:02:14it's there. It's the only reason it's
3:02:16there.
3:02:18Yeah,
3:02:19the puppet masters.
3:02:23Well, and I want to say too that um NK's
3:02:27immunity
3:02:29would have been reversed with all of her
3:02:34efferie and all of her lies. So,
3:02:38um it should have been reversed. It
3:02:40could have been reversed, but it wasn't.
3:02:42Yeah. Right. which means the the her
3:02:45immunity that could have very easily
3:02:46been reversed because her lies were so
3:02:48obvious and easy to expose to to well I
3:02:51I think that just means that there law
3:02:55enforcement and district attorney's
3:02:56office wanted at some point just as
3:02:59badly for that immunity to be in place
3:03:01otherwise it would not be
3:03:04right they just wanted to wrap the case
3:03:06up and make the whole thing go away like
3:03:08you said earlier no but I and I think it
3:03:10well I think it was not it was even more
3:03:12than that it was that they agreed that
3:03:16they agreed to and were actively taking
3:03:18measures to I don't know I just um maybe
3:03:22protect somebody who
3:03:25you know who
3:03:28who they knew
3:03:30had a significant part in this horrible
3:03:34thing that we're all talking about on a
3:03:36weekly basis and that that they
3:03:40willingly
3:03:41for really no reason, without knowing
3:03:44anything, without doing anything right.
3:03:47They created that. And how do you go
3:03:50back on that? Once they agreed to
3:03:53protect her, even though that happened
3:03:56and she had that part in this horrible,
3:03:59horrible, horrible event, once they were
3:04:01like, "Okay, yeah, yeah." And they
3:04:02started actually taking steps to protect
3:04:04her on the first day the FBI did. How do
3:04:08you go back on that? You don't. Unless
3:04:10you are going to create a scandal that
3:04:12it's going to expose everything. And
3:04:13guess who didn't want that? And Darco
3:04:15didn't want that. And law enforcement
3:04:17didn't want that because they the the
3:04:19backlash the ramifications of that would
3:04:22not have survived um a career that went
3:04:25to retire or would not have allowed
3:04:26their careers to survive to retirement
3:04:28and they weren't going to have that. It
3:04:29would have been humiliating. I think the
3:04:32appropriate term is egg on the face.
3:04:36Yeah. I think egg on the face. I think
3:04:38of I don't know. This is this is just I
3:04:41mean this is
3:04:43I don't know this is exactly what you're
3:04:45not supposed to do if you're going to
3:04:46protect protect you know people in your
3:04:50community and your society. You don't
3:04:52knowingly
3:04:54allow someone to get a pass
3:04:57that I mean and allow all the way. Open
3:04:59all the doors, remove all of the red
3:05:02lights and all of the speed loss and be
3:05:04like, "Yeah, go at it, baby." And then
3:05:07take additional steps yourself to make
3:05:08it happen. You don't Can I Can I make an
3:05:12exaggerated example? It'd be like giving
3:05:16Ted Bundy immunity and then finding out
3:05:18he's Ted Bundy. Yeah. Right. Right. Like
3:05:22it right. I mean it's like oh [ __ ] well
3:05:24you murdered a few people now we can't
3:05:26do anything about that because we
3:05:28screwed up you know. Exactly. And that
3:05:30and and that's why I said everything
3:05:32that DA Ror did because he was you know
3:05:35the shot caller. It was totally
3:05:37reckless.
3:05:39And and personally, I have children
3:05:42myself and if this had happened to my
3:05:44daughter and grandkids, I would I would
3:05:47have been like, "No way in hell are you
3:05:49going to allow him to do a plea deal. I
3:05:51want to go to trial and I want to hear
3:05:53every single thing that happened. As
3:05:57hard as it's going to be, I want to know
3:05:59it all. No, he does not get a plea
3:06:01deal." You know, and you know, I that
3:06:04wouldn't have that wouldn't have sat
3:06:05with me. It makes me think it makes me
3:06:08think that the Rusix might have been
3:06:10paid off by Ana Darko.
3:06:14Well, the whole thing with the the Dr.
3:06:16Phil thing and stuff like that, they
3:06:18were agreeing that Net N was a little
3:06:20shady or whatever like that, whatever.
3:06:22And then that got pulled. And from what
3:06:25I read, and I again, I don't know if
3:06:28that's my part two. We're bringing all
3:06:30that back tomorrow or Tuesday. Yeah. I
3:06:33have to wait till Tuesday. Yeah, I have.
3:06:36Yeah. And again, this is just my, you
3:06:39know, what I read and stuff. This isn't
3:06:40fact or anything, but I was told that
3:06:44the reason that was pulled off, you
3:06:46know, off of the Dr. Phil and then they
3:06:48were like, "No, she didn't have anything
3:06:50to do with it because they weren't going
3:06:52to get that money from Ana Darko if
3:06:56Yeah, maybe. I mean, very possible.
3:06:58Yeah, because there's a lot of red tape
3:07:01and legalities and stuff when it comes
3:07:03down to that. And I think again, I just
3:07:06think there was a lot of shadiness going
3:07:08on. That would not have flied with me as
3:07:11a mother. Oh, he confessed. Plea deal
3:07:14and he doesn't have to speak. And no,
3:07:16no, no. I would be like, "No, I have a
3:07:18million questions."
3:07:20And and at least make him speak. At
3:07:22least if not at the sentence, at least
3:07:25make him write something out exactly
3:07:27what happened so the text could have
3:07:29read it or something like that. But you
3:07:32know what? But but you can't I mean he
3:07:35you can't make I mean that's his his his
3:07:37fifth amendment. He pled fifth like he
3:07:40doesn't have to say anything. And you
3:07:43know I never thought about the the money
3:07:46aspect to me. I feel like the tone with
3:07:49her family shifted once they went back
3:07:52to Dodge and they learned about the
3:07:55trauma of the little girls. It was like
3:07:58once they understood what Bella and Cece
3:08:01and especially Bella endured,
3:08:04it was raw rage. And whether Nicole was
3:08:08involved or not, this Chris put this all
3:08:10into motion. But there was sort of a
3:08:13shift in
3:08:16it was like a silent rage after that
3:08:19visit to Dodge Correctional that I can
3:08:21see in their interviews that they've
3:08:23done since then versus the ones that
3:08:25they did before where you had you know
3:08:28Frankie Junior show saying like I love
3:08:30him as my brother all these things and
3:08:32after that right he was like put in a
3:08:35room with him and I agree 100% but back
3:08:39to my point then that's why they should
3:08:40have said know I want to know everything
3:08:44because you know in case something like
3:08:46that I do I agree with you 100% Kelly I
3:08:50think that he ran game on them he knew
3:08:53what kind of emotional state they were
3:08:54in he you know gave oh it's going to
3:08:57take so long it could take two three
3:08:59four years it I would have been I don't
3:09:02give a [ __ ] if it takes 10 years you're
3:09:04not a plea deal I want to know you're
3:09:07going to do your job you took an oath of
3:09:09office that you would do full
3:09:11investigation.
3:09:13No, you're gonna do your job. I I I
3:09:15would be enraged if if I if he had given
3:09:19him a plea deal and I did not know what
3:09:22happened.
3:09:24Yeah, I don't think I would. I really in
3:09:26my heart of hearts don't think I'd stand
3:09:27for it either, but I you know, but I
3:09:29mean some people will and I think I just
3:09:31think he play he played them like a
3:09:33fiddle. Maybe there was money involved
3:09:34too, but he played those people and that
3:09:37is horrible. That is that is horrible.
3:09:40You know what kind of emotional state
3:09:42they were in? Yeah. I also think too
3:09:45what if they what if that they do know?
3:09:48What if they know everything? What if
3:09:50they know the considered that? Yeah.
3:09:53Yeah. I think about the the alarm and
3:09:56the motion detectors inside would tell
3:09:58the entire tale. Like I just got up to
3:10:01go get something to drink and it lo like
3:10:03I just saw my I just got a log. there's
3:10:05a person moving and kitchen motion like
3:10:08it would tell the entire tale down to
3:10:11the basement stairs what doors open and
3:10:14that's why they want everyone to shut up
3:10:16so badly but I think I think that I
3:10:19think her family knows and I think the
3:10:22footage from the camera that's missing I
3:10:24I think the family's like okay we don't
3:10:27have to do a public s I hope I shouldn't
3:10:29say I think I hope the family was like
3:10:31okay we will agree to not drag this out
3:10:34publicly but We absolutely want to know
3:10:37everything and I think they know enough.
3:10:40But here the the only thing I have with
3:10:42that though is I you know their reaction
3:10:45on Dr. Phil when they went on Dr. Phil
3:10:47right after the Dodge Correctional
3:10:49Facility interview when the world found
3:10:51out and was horrified to learn of you
3:10:54know at least Bella's journey in that
3:10:57truck with her feet hanging over her
3:10:59dead mother's body and the way that she
3:11:02died. if they if they had access to all
3:11:04of that, like I think that that
3:11:06information would have been revealed.
3:11:07But I I think the reaction to learning
3:11:10that they weren't all unal alive as a
3:11:12house, but what really happened that was
3:11:14so authentic like that's like kind of
3:11:17the only counter I have to that because
3:11:20I I you know I I have definitely
3:11:21considered it but maybe I can still
3:11:24account for it. I agree that the the I
3:11:27vas we'll go down a tangent. I
3:11:30vacasillate between which um statement I
3:11:34believe. I believe there's a little bit
3:11:35of truth in each. I don't believe much
3:11:37of what was said at Dodge though,
3:11:38honestly. Right. I don't believe I don't
3:11:42believe any of I believe I believe
3:11:44wholeheartedly the bit the Bella's his
3:11:47his his story about what Bella
3:11:49experienced because we talked about this
3:11:51before. I feel I feel really clear on
3:11:54the fact that Chris's big tell of
3:11:56truthfulness is starting to show
3:11:59anything that resembles emotion or you
3:12:02know like you know an involuntary
3:12:05response that shows that something is
3:12:08triggered inside of him other than you
3:12:10know giving a [ __ ] about himself and it
3:12:12is only when he talks about Bella. What
3:12:15happened does that happen? It is only
3:12:17when and it is every time you know in
3:12:20that time period from the house to thy
3:12:23and to me and I've thought about this
3:12:25and I've I've considered again against
3:12:28and I keep coming to the same conclusion
3:12:29and for me like that's just that like I
3:12:33get where you're I get where you're
3:12:34going Kelly and
3:12:40Oh is that me or somebody else? I don't
3:12:43think there's Is there sound? Oh, no.
3:12:46Can you hear me? I can hear you. Okay.
3:12:49Yeah, Chris just lost sound
3:12:50unfortunately. Oh, can can you hear me
3:12:53now? Yes, we can. Yeah. Even I was going
3:12:56to say, Kelly, to to your point, even if
3:12:58you watch um the Rousk interview with
3:13:02Dr. Phil, the part where you see like
3:13:06Frankie Junior like literally shaking
3:13:08and where the mother comes and Bella
3:13:11came to her first. It is very
3:13:13mellowentric, which makes me think that
3:13:16they know more of what happened than we
3:13:20do. Well, that was after they heard the
3:13:22confession that Chris Watts made with
3:13:24all that information about Bella.
3:13:29I I personally think that um Cece was
3:13:32already gone because she's not mention
3:13:34she was gone. Um but this is another
3:13:37thing. if they do know everything
3:13:40um and they just didn't want to do it
3:13:42publicly. What I don't understand if
3:13:44they do know everything
3:13:46um and they do know everything
3:13:50instead of going or you know Frank Jr.
3:13:53going around putting all of his energy
3:13:56and stuff and shutting down YouTube
3:13:58channels and going after all this uh I
3:14:00would be going after why did her phone
3:14:03ping? Why is she searching my sister and
3:14:06Chris back a year prior? Yeah. Well, I
3:14:08think there's I think there's ulterior
3:14:10motives for that though that I I don't
3:14:12want to discuss because I don't want to
3:14:14discuss because it it's it's you know
3:14:16what I mean? But I I don't think, you
3:14:18know, and people, you know, people, you
3:14:20know, nobody's perfect. People have
3:14:22weaknesses in life and sometimes we need
3:14:24to figure out how to manage those
3:14:26weaknesses, but there's so I think
3:14:28there's something totally different
3:14:29behind that personally and if that
3:14:31didn't make sense to you, don't worry
3:14:32about it. I'm not going to decode it any
3:14:34further because I've been in the
3:14:36spotlight with with that family
3:14:38recently. And I wanted to say too that I
3:14:41think that everything that we see, no
3:14:44matter how many years we've spent
3:14:47studying the case and hours and days and
3:14:50weeks,
3:14:52all we're seeing is the tip of the
3:14:54iceberg. There's so much more going on
3:14:56behind the scenes and not just with the
3:14:59Watts case, but with that department.
3:15:02There's so much so much going on with
3:15:05that department. There's so much um like
3:15:08tit for tat and revenge and protection
3:15:12and yeah, did you guys see the story
3:15:16that came out? Oh, what was it like
3:15:17three, four months ago? um that DA Ror
3:15:21had to speak about or whatever about uh
3:15:24the um DNA being messed up on a whole
3:15:28bunch of cases. Yes. Did you guys see
3:15:31that?
3:15:32I didn't see it. Um house huddle covered
3:15:35part that partly very well. The channel,
3:15:37the house huddle, she covered a little
3:15:38bit of that. Yeah, that was interesting.
3:15:41And another thing I thought that was
3:15:43pretty interesting that I that screams
3:15:45conflict of interest to me is that his
3:15:48DA work's wife, you know, she had been
3:15:52attacked or whatever like that and he
3:15:54looks very very similar to Chris Watts.
3:15:58I would have brought that up. You sure
3:16:00this isn't a personal thing or you know
3:16:03what I mean? Yeah. It's almost like
3:16:05projection. It's almost like projection
3:16:07or transfer with their a therapist or
3:16:09something. Yeah. who looks a lot like
3:16:12Chris Watts. Sorry, I missed that. The
3:16:14the uh man who uh attacked Da R's wife
3:16:20before they were married, she was
3:16:23attacked. And I've never seen a picture
3:16:26I've never seen a picture of that man.
3:16:28You can Google it. It's online. Um and
3:16:31he looks a lot like Chris Watts and and
3:16:33the crime and it was Yeah. Um Wow.
3:16:37There's just Yeah, there's just a lot of
3:16:39stuff where I just think he's That's
3:16:42extremely significant.
3:16:45And I And I think I think that I think
3:16:47he's just disgusting. I just don't like
3:16:49Va Rook at all. I think he did such a
3:16:52crappy job and staying at their house
3:16:55for three days. I was Oh, that's a Yeah.
3:16:59Yeah. Let me tell you there is and and
3:17:02Kelly chime in as a I think anybody
3:17:06who's worked in the therapy, psychology,
3:17:09counseling space, 30 days is a
3:17:12significant amount of time. You get to
3:17:14understand the rhythm of a family. You
3:17:16get to see their the lines are
3:17:20financial needs. Um Frankie Jr. has some
3:17:23things going on. You really get to
3:17:25understand their You get to learn how to
3:17:29manipulate them very effectively.
3:17:32So, wait, Ror stayed with the Rousex for
3:17:35three days? I just recently learned
3:17:37that. I've never heard that.
3:17:41Unprofessional. So weird that he
3:17:43wouldn't stay at a freaking hotel. Yeah.
3:17:46He literally get in the back of their
3:17:48house and their house is It's a small
3:17:50house that Oh, yeah. I mean, it's very
3:17:52intimate space. Yeah, that's the
3:17:55strangest thing in the world. It's not
3:17:57strange if you're looking to understand
3:18:00somebody's mental, emotional, financial.
3:18:04It It gave in order to manipulate them.
3:18:06Yes. It gave him every data point he
3:18:09needed to meet a need of theirs. Yeah.
3:18:13Yep. Oh my god. Because it doesn't take
3:18:16three days to hammer out.
3:18:21Honey, keep going mute. I want to hear
3:18:23what you're saying.
3:18:25That is wild.
3:18:28That's a bombshell right there. That's
3:18:31It doesn't It doesn't It doesn't take
3:18:33three days to figure out, you know, what
3:18:36I mean, he had meals with them. Sy's a,
3:18:38you know, apparently a great cook, which
3:18:40he referenced as Shenan being a great
3:18:42cook. And it just got it's it's it's
3:18:46it's it's a very it's kind of like what
3:18:49Nicole did, right? Like insurance that
3:18:51they would they would not change their
3:18:53mind once he got from them what he
3:18:55needed. Right. But it to me it's the
3:18:57same thing in
3:19:00and did somebody in chat say it was over
3:19:02Halloween? The three days was over
3:19:05Halloween time.
3:19:09I don't know exactly which three days.
3:19:11Oh my god. Hold it. Hold it. I forgot
3:19:13something really important. I'm so glad
3:19:14you said that. The three days was
3:19:17immediately following
3:19:20the release. No, was immediately
3:19:22following Michael Krill's report being
3:19:25put on District Attorney's desk saying
3:19:28that they were going to obtain an
3:19:32additional search warrant for Chris
3:19:34Watt's phone to access all of that, you
3:19:37know, material that he hid. And you know
3:19:40what that meant? If they were going to
3:19:42do it to his phone, they were going to
3:19:43find out a lot about what Ker was doing
3:19:45it. They were probably going to do it to
3:19:46all with all of the other iPhones. And
3:19:49there was going to be a lot more
3:19:50unearthed. And among that that would be
3:19:52unearthed, you know what existed very
3:19:55clearly? The arrangements that were made
3:19:58to broker the deal.
3:20:02So you guys might see where this is all
3:20:04going. I mean, this is what I've been
3:20:06talking about the past few days with
3:20:07people and it's all there's a trail.
3:20:09There's receipts for all of it. It's
3:20:11horrible. And that is when he went to
3:20:13the ROROS to get their permission to
3:20:16accept or to create a plea deal. And
3:20:19then within less than a week, it was
3:20:23done. Yep. It was the fastest deal in
3:20:27the world. I thought you were going to
3:20:29say um that they would have found texts
3:20:32and information
3:20:34involving Jim. It does. Jim is
3:20:37irrelevant. See, this is the thing. Jim
3:20:39is fully irrelevant like what what what
3:20:43this person with the mistress had to
3:20:45hide is and
3:20:49certain people's knowledge of that and
3:20:53oh god the certainty of all of it that
3:20:57someday you know is you know hopefully
3:20:59it'll be a matter of public record
3:21:00without having to me be involved but um
3:21:03it is it it's it's it's everything. It's
3:21:06the whole bowl of wax. It's there, you
3:21:09know, it's and then all of the, you
3:21:10know, connected cover up scandals and
3:21:12all that possible and dark oak, the
3:21:14investigation being pissed poor, the
3:21:16evidence not being fully processed, blah
3:21:18blah blah blah. But like I don't know,
3:21:20that's just like my opinion. Like I just
3:21:22I guess I don't know. I guess I just I
3:21:25just want to expl I just want to be able
3:21:26to be like here is the significance of
3:21:29this so we can you know stop like holy
3:21:32[ __ ] Maybe we're just going to leave
3:21:34Jim alone. Yeah. But but Kevin to travel
3:21:36on that thread further. If I am the
3:21:41family of the deceased.
3:21:48Oh my god. Can you hear her? She keeps
3:21:50getting like four words in and then I'm
3:21:52like on the edge of my feet and I can't
3:21:53hear. I can't hear her either. I don't
3:21:56understand.
3:21:58Can you hear me now? Yes. But usually
3:22:01you you'll start to say something that's
3:22:03really like can't wait to hear it and
3:22:05you it's four or five words and then it
3:22:06goes silent for like Okay. Yeah. Let me
3:22:09I took my headset off. Okay. So to tug
3:22:12on that thread a little bit if he if Ror
3:22:17went to the family and said we're going
3:22:19to have this second subpoena that digs
3:22:21into Chris's phone that digs into
3:22:25Nicole's phone. But in digging into
3:22:28Chris's phone, you're going to be
3:22:29digging into Shenan's phone. And
3:22:31Shannan's phone might be part of it as
3:22:34the family of the
3:22:38there. We can't hear you again now. Not
3:22:40again. Hang on. Whose reputation do Oh,
3:22:43I don't know why it keeps doing that.
3:22:45But my like my question is Yeah. Should
3:22:47they be concerned about Chen's
3:22:48reputation? Maybe they wouldn't want
3:22:49that. So, don't realize the significance
3:22:52of what is to be found in Chris and
3:22:54Nicole's phone because they don't want
3:22:56them to know that. They just want to
3:22:58protect Shenan. They're vulnerable.
3:23:00You're totally right. Yeah. Yep. My um
3:23:02you know why it's doing that is because
3:23:03my phone's not plugged up. But I'm
3:23:05that's what I was trying to say. Like if
3:23:07you are telling them, hey, we're going
3:23:09to have to do this this deep dive and if
3:23:11they start subpoenaing, maybe they can
3:23:14start looking at medical records. I
3:23:16think that there was a little bit of
3:23:17fearing
3:23:19um because again, you know, it if if
3:23:23we're going to go back to, you know,
3:23:25Chris is going to plea, he's not going
3:23:26to plea. He's going to stick with his
3:23:28first story. It's going to be hell. It's
3:23:30going to be it's going to be 20 years of
3:23:32being stuck in the court, being a slave
3:23:34to the court system, and the ugliness. I
3:23:36didn't even think it was that. I think
3:23:38is we were going to have to unearth some
3:23:40things about their daughter and her her
3:23:42her memory had already been
3:23:46I mean, I can't think of of anything
3:23:47worse than a mother being accused of of
3:23:50unaliving their children, right? But I I
3:23:53think Shannan had had documented
3:23:56emotional, social issues that that
3:24:00and and I'm just going to be frank and I
3:24:02feel that that that the family kind of
3:24:04viewed them is that it would be shameful
3:24:05if they that were to get out because
3:24:08that is how some families are. Our honor
3:24:10systems are different. And I think and I
3:24:12think that work knew that to that
3:24:14particular family that would be uh that
3:24:17would be a you know really horrible
3:24:19thing to have to face. And I'm a half
3:24:22Italian girl from New Jersey. Honor is
3:24:24everything. Exactly. That's exactly what
3:24:27I was thinking. Yeah. I know.
3:24:30Exactly.
3:24:32Yep. You'd rather go away slash to jail
3:24:36than to be a snitch. like that honor is
3:24:39very very very prevalent in the Italian
3:24:43American culture and certainly in that
3:24:45part of of the US. So I I actually it's
3:24:50sad because I think we could have and
3:24:53that's always my draw to this case. I
3:24:55think we could have learned so much
3:24:57through what they saw as her
3:24:59imperfections or things that may have
3:25:01bismerched her reputation.
3:25:05There's no need to make her into a
3:25:06caricature of herself and make her be
3:25:08someone that she wasn't. Like her
3:25:10history and her legacy as it is is
3:25:12perfect. It's, you know, it's like none
3:25:14of that none of that exactly should have
3:25:18resulted in the death of her in three.
3:25:20Of course, I think they were so afraid
3:25:26of whatever whether whether it was drug
3:25:28abuse, you know, mental diagnosis,
3:25:30whatever it was in that they were
3:25:33terrified. And I think that clammed him
3:25:36up much more than
3:25:39Nicole NK when he came to them. I think
3:25:42he knowingly
3:25:44knowingly their heart
3:25:48their heartstrings but said she is not
3:25:51going to come out of this clean and and
3:25:54and as a mother that would do it for me.
3:25:57Absolutely. That's the only way you can
3:25:58protect your child at that point. You
3:26:01know, you're not going to let them down
3:26:02in that way because they probably also
3:26:03had the thought and they shouldn't.
3:26:05Nothing is their fault. They probably
3:26:06would have thought, "Oh my god, you
3:26:08know, all this stuff is going to come up
3:26:09and it's, you know, and I'm going to
3:26:11realize how I was not there to save her
3:26:14and that's not reality." But that but
3:26:17most parents would feel that way, you
3:26:19know, and you're already dealing with a
3:26:20mom who asked her not to go back. Like
3:26:23there's there was so so much there. And
3:26:25I think he sat there for three days and
3:26:28just absorbed tortured them. Yes.
3:26:32tortured them, learned them, reeled them
3:26:34in, coaxed them, gave them what they
3:26:36need. Like I said, you he he became a
3:26:39need meter in those three days. And like
3:26:41I said, whether Frank Jr. was facing
3:26:44some pretty significant legal
3:26:46challenges, don't know where those went
3:26:48or anything, but financially they had
3:26:50filed for bankruptcy twice. He could
3:26:52look at the maybe the state of repairs
3:26:53of their home. Little things like that.
3:26:56You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know
3:26:58what I find interesting as well? When um
3:27:01John F. Kennedy was assassinated,
3:27:04they sealed those records for 50 years a
3:27:08year or two ago. I think it maybe last
3:27:09year, the year before. They were
3:27:11supposed to release all of them, but the
3:27:12last records were hundred. Yeah. Yeah.
3:27:15Chris's 90 years after he dies. Why does
3:27:20Chris Watts records are sealed longer
3:27:24than a president that was assassinated?
3:27:27I know. I I have always wondered why
3:27:29they why that was important. Yeah,
3:27:32because I weird. It's not weird. If you
3:27:35go back to the records that are sealed
3:27:38are the kids medical records, you know,
3:27:40I mean Chris Watt's record our Okay. I
3:27:43think I think I understand why kids are.
3:27:45Yeah. But the kids are sealed. All of
3:27:48that. I think that that was a part of
3:27:50the deal. It's about that narrative.
3:27:52It's about dying with honor. I think
3:27:55it's not about what Chris Record says. I
3:27:57think it's about what Bella, Celeste,
3:27:59and Shannan said. And I also think it
3:28:02was about, you know, if we feel that
3:28:03this is all tight, then conversation
3:28:06about this is going to end. It is going
3:28:08to go away. And nobody is ever going to
3:28:10find out what we did, how bad we [ __ ]
3:28:12up, and the the lack of moral and
3:28:16ethical and humane and professional
3:28:18judgment we exercise that could end our
3:28:20careers and ruin our lives. And probably
3:28:22somewhere down there, some of them at
3:28:24least feel pretty damn bad about it. But
3:28:26they allowed it to happen. But but that
3:28:28but little did they know that six years
3:28:31later, people were still going to be
3:28:33having discussions just like this.
3:28:35Because guess what, guys? That is how
3:28:36bad you did screw up. Look at the mess
3:28:39you created. And what happened? What
3:28:41actually happened for the Russ family is
3:28:44an extended prolonged
3:28:48hell that would didn't have to be
3:28:50because if they just did that actual
3:28:52investigation, if they honorably did the
3:28:55work on the up and up, like just did
3:28:56what they were supposed to do, answers
3:28:59would exist and this whole cluster [ __ ]
3:29:02would not exist and this channel
3:29:04probably would not exist. But what do
3:29:06they hate most? the cluster [ __ ] these
3:29:08discussions, but it is the people that
3:29:11were guaranteeing them protection and
3:29:13honorable that created that for them and
3:29:15it makes me freaking nuts. That's all. I
3:29:17feel like in my will I'm going to put a
3:29:19clause probably for my grandchildren
3:29:21because my children might not be around.
3:29:24There's an extra 25,000 if you remember
3:29:28this case and go back look at those damn
3:29:31records like
3:29:33it into my estate planning, right? I
3:29:36have a feeling part of it is pretty
3:29:39simple and straightforward
3:29:41that the state that the poor little baby
3:29:45girls were in, they don't want anyone to
3:29:49know that reality like that's you mean
3:29:51alive or postmortem? Postmortem that the
3:29:55state of their body remains. That's why
3:29:58they want to keep that sealed for 90
3:29:59years. It's just too much for any of our
3:30:02brains to their Their living medical
3:30:05records are sealed. Yeah. Yeah. That's
3:30:08their autopsies aren't sealed. Their
3:30:10autopsies are not. It's their their
3:30:12living medical records that are autopsy
3:30:15has been redacted repeatedly though. As
3:30:18they should be. I think that's
3:30:20appropriate. You know, I mean, I think
3:30:22there's enough detail in there to, you
3:30:24know, you know, traumatize anybody who
3:30:27understood what was said. But I think
3:30:29it's I personally believe it's
3:30:31appropriate to uh redact autopsies. The
3:30:33general public doesn't need to create a
3:30:36whole channel of of people who have know
3:30:40nothing about med medical issues or
3:30:42medicine or have any training in medical
3:30:45anything. So they can talk five nights a
3:30:48week about what is wrong in the
3:30:50autopsies. If you know, you know. And
3:30:52that is so screwed up. And I think
3:30:54redaction I personally is just a
3:30:56personally believer redaction in that
3:30:57case. I think postmortem makes a lot of
3:31:00sense. I find it strange.
3:31:04HIPPA aside, I I find it very very
3:31:06strange that their medical records are a
3:31:10part of that seal and I went through a
3:31:14rip roaring custody case. And what I
3:31:16never knew but that I learned is that
3:31:19whenever you take your child to the
3:31:21doctor, yes, they may diagnose, you
3:31:24know, my son with an ear infection, my
3:31:26daughter with this, they they talked
3:31:28about my demeanor. They talked about
3:31:30which parent brought them. They talked
3:31:32about my behavior. All of that is
3:31:34documented. I had no idea until I had
3:31:38until my kids medical records were
3:31:40released for a custody battle. It That's
3:31:42right. There's also there's also record
3:31:44of assessment of the child's mental
3:31:47state and and risk level. Yeah. Yep.
3:31:50Yep. It's it's there there were my son
3:31:54has anxiety and if you go never shared
3:31:57it with me, but if you go back to his
3:31:58five-year checkup coming out of COVID,
3:32:02they started seeing signs of it and it's
3:32:04actually in his medical records. So, it
3:32:06was never shared with me. So, I was
3:32:09shocked at how much were in my own
3:32:12children's medical records. I'm like,
3:32:14"Yeah, I know he had two ear infections,
3:32:16strep throat, you know, this that." No,
3:32:18that it's so much more than that. Yeah.
3:32:22What do you guys think that was the
3:32:24specific reason on why um they went to
3:32:29redact the autopsy and everything? Do
3:32:31you think that they've learned and they
3:32:32decided that after John Benet because
3:32:34they posted pictures and they're still
3:32:36online
3:32:39to get the general
3:32:47that's so annoying
3:32:49when it cuts out. Yeah.
3:32:52Yeah. I still can't get over Lily Rose
3:32:55made a comment. Um, the American
3:32:59the American Horror Show ad on Nate's
3:33:01camera footage.
3:33:03Oh my gosh, that that was too kismmet. I
3:33:08mean, that was so bizarre.
3:33:11Wait, just one second though. Can you
3:33:13guys hear me now? Yes. Yes. Yes. I just
3:33:16want I want to answer that question
3:33:17because I I like I think I I mean I
3:33:19think it's a good discussion to have,
3:33:21but I personally do not I mean true
3:33:23there we have, you know, true crime
3:33:24solutions, true crime communities. We
3:33:26take in all of this, you know, really
3:33:29traumatizing, hard to hear, hard to
3:33:31handle, hard to digest information that,
3:33:33you know, it that not too long ago was
3:33:36really reserved for people with the
3:33:38proper training to process it and
3:33:40process the horrificness of it and still
3:33:43be mentally okay. The average person in
3:33:47like our general public does not have
3:33:49that training or those skills. And I
3:33:51think that it's recognized and I
3:33:52personally think it is so appropriate
3:33:55and it's a good thing that though that
3:33:57certain things aren't released and
3:33:58certain things are redacted. I think it
3:34:00should be pretty uniform across the
3:34:01board. And you know, so it it doesn't
3:34:04make a point of certain cases over the
3:34:05others, but I don't think any of us ever
3:34:09need to see the autopsy photos of Bella
3:34:12or Celeste. And I think if we were to
3:34:13see them, we would never be the same. I
3:34:17Yeah, I agree 100%. That's why I was
3:34:19just like, you know, the fact that they
3:34:22released all basic everything on like
3:34:24John Benet and that was horrible. Yeah.
3:34:27I I see it in my mind to this day. I
3:34:31know. Me too. Me too. I just as you were
3:34:34saying that I had like a really like bad
3:34:36moment of just like Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
3:34:39Yeah. And you used to never see any of
3:34:41that
3:34:43ever anywhere. Never. Ever. Ever.
3:34:46Sometimes you see it without knowing
3:34:47you're going to see it. Like I don't
3:34:49think I ever saw out to see John Benise
3:34:51autopsy photos. I think I saw them
3:34:54because they were there something I was
3:34:56viewing and all of a sudden it was like
3:34:57you know you you can't you know you
3:34:59can't squeeze that toothpaste back in
3:35:00the tube. It's done. Right. Right. You
3:35:03know you've seen it, you can't unsee it.
3:35:05So, and and one of the things that
3:35:07makes, you know, aside from the obvious
3:35:11of all this being just so horrible and
3:35:13sad is that with Shannan, she was uh 33.
3:35:1934.
3:35:20I think she was u I I I believe I Yeah,
3:35:24I think she was about she was going to
3:35:25turn 35 and Yeah. Okay. She Yeah, she
3:35:28was 34.
3:35:30You know, Celeste had just turned three
3:35:33years old. Bella was four. She was still
3:35:37a very, very new mom. And
3:35:40watching all of her videos and seeing
3:35:42all of this and stuff like that as, you
3:35:44know, an older mom, you know, my kids
3:35:47are in their 20s or whatever, you know,
3:35:50it's it's very easy and quick to judge
3:35:52on a lot of stuff, Shannan, and stuff,
3:35:54but how many of you can go back and say
3:35:57that you were perfect and you did
3:35:58everything right and you're at Exactly.
3:36:00And we've all had the chance to evolve
3:36:02from that age and learn from our
3:36:04mistakes and become all the wiser. And
3:36:06she she was robbed of that chance that
3:36:08not she was robbed of that to learn. And
3:36:11because I can name a million
3:36:13she would have I look I look back on and
3:36:16be like oh my god why did I do that or
3:36:18why did I what you know whatever with my
3:36:20kids and stuff which I wish I could go
3:36:22back and change or not say or whatever.
3:36:25But she was robbed of that. she wasn't
3:36:27given the opportunity to learn from her
3:36:29mistakes or realize that okay this is
3:36:31not the way I should be doing this or
3:36:32whatever so sad just be in the month and
3:36:37like the month or so I'm going to say
3:36:39this is a rough you know the month or
3:36:41two let's say before they went to North
3:36:43Carolina and how her relationship with
3:36:45those girls developed while they were in
3:36:46North Carolina even when they came look
3:36:48at how much her relationship and her as
3:36:50a mother she involved so much I it
3:36:52appeared to be it seemed to me all in a
3:36:55super positive way and just three months
3:36:57that stuff happens. Doesn't happen
3:37:00linear linearly all the time and you
3:37:03know evenly across time but she she she
3:37:06had no more of that and she would have
3:37:08evolved in every way the rest of us
3:37:09have. Do the rest of you with me on
3:37:12this? But I I I I always wanted to bring
3:37:15this up and I don't know if anybody's
3:37:17caught this before on one of her texts
3:37:20to Chris and this always just stung me.
3:37:24She said, you know, she was going out
3:37:26there and she wasn't at home a lot. She
3:37:28went down to a lot of places and stuff
3:37:29because she was trying to expand that
3:37:30her business and all that stuff, but she
3:37:33said to in a text to Chris,
3:37:37it doesn't take much to say I love you
3:37:39or I miss you or whatever. If you don't
3:37:41mean it, I get it. Yeah. I think that
3:37:45she went out there as a trial separation
3:37:49because no wife and everything was all
3:37:52hunky dory and we all over each other
3:37:54and stuff like that when I left. No wife
3:37:57would have said that if you don't want
3:37:58to say I love you or I miss you. I get
3:38:00it. I really do think that she went out
3:38:02there in a trial separation.
3:38:04Um I think that's possible. I think she
3:38:07could have also been trying to do a
3:38:08number of different things to get any
3:38:11kind of reaction from her husband even
3:38:13if it was negative. And I I think that's
3:38:15possible, but I also have some sense and
3:38:18I don't know because I do not know.
3:38:20These are just thoughts I have and I'm
3:38:22not claiming I know either way. She she
3:38:25she knew what she was facing back in
3:38:28Colorado. She knew the financial state.
3:38:30I think she knew sort of the deep water
3:38:32that was a secret and secrets are, you
3:38:35know, and she knew that that secret was
3:38:37going to be exposed and the prospect of
3:38:38that. Let's go back to the value of
3:38:40honor and her family and things like
3:38:41that. And also just the practical
3:38:43situation that was at hand. I'm sure she
3:38:45was terrified. She's pregnant. She has
3:38:47two young kids. She, you know, I mean,
3:38:49um, and she I'm sure she was terrified.
3:38:52I mean, I think she knew that she had
3:38:54like responsibility and creating a
3:38:56situation where she was going to have to
3:38:59get honest with a whole lot of people,
3:39:01including herself, and that was going to
3:39:02be really hard, but those are times
3:39:04sometime those are times in life when,
3:39:06you know, maybe we're going to go
3:39:07through the most growth, but it's still
3:39:09freaking scary. So, part of me thinks
3:39:11there was some escapism there, but I
3:39:14don't know. Just a thought. I can't I
3:39:16can't even imagine I can't even imagine
3:39:19what she was going through because, you
3:39:21know, she knew he was acting weird. She
3:39:23had she knew she had a feeling that
3:39:25something was going on. D she was, you
3:39:28know, reaching for any olive branch. And
3:39:31I personally, this is my opinion, but
3:39:33that whole nutgate thing with Cindy,
3:39:36that entire thing, I don't think that
3:39:38she did that and blew up at Cindy
3:39:40directly at Cindy. I think that was pent
3:39:43up frustration with her son, you know,
3:39:47giving her the shakult shoulder, not
3:39:49texting her back, whatever. And I think
3:39:51that she was in the line of fire. And I
3:39:54think she took it out on Cindy. I think
3:39:55if everything was wonderful and he
3:39:57wasn't doing what he was doing and he
3:39:59was calling her and facetiming her and
3:40:01texting her and stuff, I don't think
3:40:02that she would have reacted that way. I
3:40:04think that was an an immediate I think
3:40:06that's possible. But at the same time
3:40:08going along with exactly what I had just
3:40:09said. I think Chris and I have talked
3:40:10about this before. I kind and part of me
3:40:13also thinks and I don't fault Shannan
3:40:15for this. I mean I have done I've done
3:40:17really screwed up things. Trust me. And
3:40:19I understand the stress associated with
3:40:21them when you wake up and realize you
3:40:23did that and oh my god like what what
3:40:26you know it's it's it sucks. It's so
3:40:28much anxiety. It's fear. And she was,
3:40:30you know, she, you know, especially with
3:40:32her husband being so shady, she was
3:40:34losing so much support and she was
3:40:35facing probably like a fear like she
3:40:38never had known in her life. And part of
3:40:41me thinks that Nutcase also had to do
3:40:43with, you know, I think she was, whether
3:40:46it was or not, maybe it's her own
3:40:47paranoia or whatever, thinking that
3:40:48people were starting to put the heat on
3:40:50her, looking at her, noticing her,
3:40:51noticing what she had done, what she was
3:40:53going to have to do. And you know that
3:40:56nutgate was so dramatic. It took some of
3:40:58that pressure and heat off of her and
3:41:00put it on someone else. So, but that's
3:41:03why I think it's interesting to talk
3:41:05about these things because it's all as
3:41:06long as you know because it's all like
3:41:08human dynamic stuff that we can all
3:41:09relate to and you know really it's
3:41:11probably a combination of a little bit
3:41:13of like a lot of things that we would
3:41:14come up with because you know at the end
3:41:16of the day we're all more the same than
3:41:17we are different. Right. So, Right.
3:41:20Right. I also think that it it is a
3:41:22possibility and again it's my opinion. I
3:41:24also think it's a possibility that maybe
3:41:26she lashed out at Cindy and stuff and
3:41:29also a hopes that that would kind of
3:41:32snap out of what he whatever he was
3:41:36her up
3:41:39he was going to have her back because he
3:41:40always did because because Shannan was
3:41:44the the the woman of his life over his
3:41:46mom. His mom was hurt over that. Shannan
3:41:49felt, you know, mentally supported
3:41:51because he was so connected. He was so
3:41:52attached to her an unhealthy way and
3:41:54then all of a sudden that switch she
3:41:56switched up the game. Now NK was the
3:41:58lady of the moment and Shannan took the
3:41:59Cindy spot. She didn't realize it yet.
3:42:02Yeah. And again with her being young at
3:42:0534 years old and stuff, you know, you do
3:42:07a lot of stupid [ __ ] that you wouldn't
3:42:09do now or whatever. But you know, if she
3:42:12had maybe she if she had been older, she
3:42:14would have realized I'm not going to
3:42:16pick a fight with my mother-in-law. I'm
3:42:18going to embrace her, get her on my
3:42:20side, and have her be like, "Dude, what
3:42:23are you?" And I'm not gonna treat my
3:42:24daughter-in-law the way she treated me
3:42:26and not go to the my daughter-in-law's
3:42:27wedding. So, I better figure out how to
3:42:28work this all out. Yeah. But you think
3:42:30about you go back to your bag of tools
3:42:33that's worked. So, I think I'm
3:42:35fascinated in the text of those six
3:42:38weeks because she tried to be really
3:42:40nasty and cold. She tried passive
3:42:42aggressive. She tried to be loving. Um,
3:42:45she tried to be firm. Then she tried to
3:42:48be a little submissive and docile. Like
3:42:50it was like, "And now I'm gonna pick a
3:42:52fight." And then, "Oh, wait. And now I'm
3:42:54gonna now I'm gonna make you move out of
3:42:55the house when we get home." Blah, blah,
3:42:57blah. Reacted to that. So scary for her.
3:43:01Yeah. Now there's something wrong with
3:43:03Bella's Yeah. Now there's something
3:43:04wrong with Bella's feet. Like anything
3:43:06that she had used before to get his
3:43:09attention, it was like, I'm going to try
3:43:11everything in my in my grab bag. But I
3:43:14thought the most heartbreaking thing was
3:43:17when she was in Arizona and it was her
3:43:19texting Patty and she says, "I never
3:43:22realized I had been emasculating him."
3:43:25Like I never realized
3:43:27feel that he couldn't hang up a picture
3:43:30and I'm sitting like, "Huh?" Like how
3:43:34she was really coming to terms with some
3:43:35hard stuff. She was doing the hard work.
3:43:37Yeah. It was like it's that's the real
3:43:40to me that's the killer because to me
3:43:43she realized even in the letter she
3:43:46wrote him what I'm doing is not working
3:43:48and it was the first time because they
3:43:50had a great marriage before that and he
3:43:52always acquiesced and he's the kind one
3:43:54I'm the sergeant and she realized that
3:43:57that dynamic would not that was such a
3:44:00huge thing for her to do as far as like
3:44:02personal evolution development like holy
3:44:04cow you know and it was just it was just
3:44:09too late. That I mean that to me that
3:44:12the those emails and texts and you can
3:44:15see her like she was like I wanted to
3:44:17say baby but I didn't want to lay it on
3:44:18too thick. like just her not even
3:44:21knowing how to speak. Good morning. But
3:44:24it was her turn to walk on eggshells
3:44:25because Chris had been walking on
3:44:27eggshells for a very long. But also, you
3:44:29know, another reason, another reason I
3:44:31think it was too late was because by
3:44:33that time,
3:44:35um, you know, Enk had already asserted
3:44:37her influence and NK had already gotten
3:44:39in a panic because Chris was responding
3:44:42in some way to Shannan changing. NK felt
3:44:46it. And that is when that is when
3:44:49everything went in the things went into
3:44:52action real quick. Exactly. Because she
3:44:55even said at the lazy dog or whatever
3:44:57when she was trying to push the
3:44:59apartment and stuff
3:45:01interest and you know when I listened to
3:45:03her interviews and I just literally want
3:45:05to claw my face off because she's such a
3:45:08liar and you know what really happened?
3:45:10Yeah. I was um I was actually like
3:45:13encouraging him to fix things with your
3:45:15wife. Said no scag side piece ever.
3:45:20Like no one says that. I mean that right
3:45:22there is like I would have been it would
3:45:24have been hard for me to keep a straight
3:45:26face if I was a but she was a marriage
3:45:28counselor, a preacher, a fitness
3:45:30trainer, a nutritionist, a interior
3:45:33decorator, a groomer.
3:45:36yoga instructor, yoga instructor, a
3:45:40nature girl, you know, you know, and you
3:45:43know, the entire time
3:45:46to the detective, then you know after
3:45:47the fact and stuff, no, you weren't. You
3:45:49were sending full body nudes to him. He
3:45:52was in North Carolina and then when he
3:45:55when they show, oh, why can't you why
3:45:58can't you call me? Are you with her?
3:46:01She's this amazing superwoman who gets
3:46:04bullied by deer to go upstairs and stare
3:46:07at pictures of the family.
3:46:10I'm I'm sure I'm sure Sir Dieter like
3:46:13literally walked her up the steps, you
3:46:16know, and one's
3:46:20like, "Look at them. Look at me. Get
3:46:22away from me. Get away from me. I'm
3:46:24running away from you. Those are my
3:46:26humans."
3:46:28Yeah. Yeah. She she is, in my opinion,
3:46:32just watching her, you know, seeing her
3:46:36video and seeing how nonchalant and
3:46:40entitled and lying and manipulative and
3:46:44a chameleon and just just a I I've known
3:46:48women like her before and stuff. I
3:46:51again, I'm not diagnosing her or
3:46:53anything. I truly believe in my heart
3:46:55that she is a sociopath. I know she's
3:46:58narcissistic. But I do think she's a
3:47:00sociopath. She has zero empathy and it
3:47:03was all about her. It was all about her.
3:47:07Diagnosed and you are definitely right
3:47:09on the money. Yeah. She's she's she
3:47:11wouldn't even say their names. No. And
3:47:14then when she did say Shenan
3:47:17Shannan,
3:47:19you know, and and then she's like, "And
3:47:20th those that couple or that car or that
3:47:25house or whatever." It's like, you know,
3:47:28I could hear the the disdain she has in
3:47:31her voice for anything associated with
3:47:34Shenan. And the fact that she did look
3:47:37them up several times in 2017
3:47:41and then Shannan did that Thanksgiving
3:47:43video when she was cooking and stuff.
3:47:45She's like, "What's with the mean
3:47:46faces?" I think that was her. Oh, 100%.
3:47:50And that Chris bought flowers the next
3:47:51day. Do you like remember she prepped
3:47:54the Thanksgiving and then she was baking
3:47:57with the girls and she made it a point
3:47:59to point out that Chris had bought her
3:48:01flowers and Bella if she liked them.
3:48:04Bella was like no
3:48:07and then she did that video um when she
3:48:09was on the couch talking about her trip,
3:48:11you know, and then she walked outside
3:48:13and and talked for a long time. She
3:48:15actually said on the thing, "I will
3:48:17continue to fight for my girls. I will
3:48:19continue to fight for my husband." I
3:48:21think she was sending out a message
3:48:23there. I think she knew that someone was
3:48:26something was up. Girl, I think she
3:48:28sense that her husband had an interest
3:48:31in a woman who is the type who is
3:48:33eventually going to take part in the end
3:48:36of her life. But I'm gonna have to end
3:48:38this here because I just looked at this
3:48:39clock and it's almost two and I really
3:48:41got to go to bed. I don't need to like
3:48:45end abruptly, but it's been it's I think
3:48:47it's Oh, yeah. It's been Oh, yeah. Yeah.
3:48:48Wow. I gotta go. It's been almost four
3:48:50hours, but um time flies when you're
3:48:52having fun. And I thank you guys so much
3:48:53for coming up on panel and being part of
3:48:55the conversation. And you know, there's
3:48:58um yeah, and um yeah, there there's just
3:49:01there's so much more. So, thank you for
3:49:02being here and um I hope everyone Thank
3:49:05you so much for having me up. I really
3:49:07appreciate I appreciate you coming.
3:49:09Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it was great
3:49:12live. Thank you, Kelly. I'm looking
3:49:13forward to Tuesday. Yeah, Tuesday. We'll
3:49:16do the part two and then I'm gonna, you
3:49:18know, get um, you know, I'll figure out
3:49:20I'll figure out what I'll figure out how
3:49:22to
3:49:24just gonna have to keep I don't know
3:49:25what else to say at this point. I'm
3:49:27still a little just trying this. I mean
3:49:30I mean like uh I mean like what case
3:49:33like like can I just can I just finish a
3:49:36thought that I was having on the Sorry.
3:49:40That's okay. That's okay. I just it's
3:49:42like everything you guys were saying
3:49:45really alludes to NK and Chris having
3:49:50met at the gym previously and the
3:49:53relationship being a lot longer than
3:49:55that six weeks. I agree. And I think
3:49:58they had a long chat on that 111 minute
3:50:01or at the lazy dog 111 minutes to be
3:50:04exact, you know. Yes.
3:50:06How long have we known each other? the
3:50:09whole whole thing because I'm sorry, but
3:50:12unless she's a complete psycho, she
3:50:15doesn't say, "I wanted I wanted to give
3:50:17you your first boy." I think she
3:50:20know she was watching her Facebook and
3:50:22she saw that they were having Yeah,
3:50:24she's a liar. She knew. She didn't care.
3:50:28No. So, all right everybody, well, thank
3:50:31you so much for being here and everybody
3:50:33who is in chat, moderators, love you so
3:50:35much. Thank you for everything you do.
3:50:37subscribers and members and people who
3:50:39are up there in the raptors, you can
3:50:40come on down. Nobody's gonna bite you.
3:50:42Nobody's gonna bite you. Unless Kesser
3:50:45happens to be in J sometimes, she might
3:50:47be. Um, and yeah, thank you guys so
3:50:50much. I just want to make sure I got all
3:50:51these super chats here. Family, thank
3:50:53you so much. I'm so sorry I didn't get
3:50:55to I just want to see what you had to
3:50:56say here. Um, I was just so trying to
3:50:59focus on
3:51:01talking about things correctly. I wasn't
3:51:03paying too much attention and I usually
3:51:05Thank you so much, Kelly. I'm going to
3:51:07take a picture of that B propulolis from
3:51:10Trader Joe's right now and text it to I
3:51:13appreciate it. I just don't want to
3:51:14forget it. That means a lot. I got to
3:51:15get rid of this like throat thing. Yeah.
3:51:19Amazing. Both all of you guys. Thank you
3:51:22so much.
3:51:24Have a good night, ladies. Thank you.
3:51:27So, um, fan lady says, "But Frank Senior
3:51:30claimed he thought Carrie oh out his
3:51:33family like they were trash." You can
3:51:35see it online. That's so funny because I
3:51:37think that is actually included in the
3:51:38video that we're going to watch on
3:51:39Tuesday. So, we'll see. You know, yeah,
3:51:43I I I think that it was so impressed
3:51:44upon him that that's what happened. you
3:51:47know, maybe he he was saying I I see I
3:51:50hear it as being kind of figure of
3:51:51speech like or you know, maybe he did
3:51:54think that he saw that but he didn't see
3:51:57that. You know what I mean? But good
3:51:58really good point. Thank you for
3:51:59bringing that up. And then
3:52:06um I believe it was before Shannan. I
3:52:11think it was after the party
3:52:14that's part of the 11
3:52:16100 I'm sorry 11 minute phone call.
3:52:20So do you think that's when um I'm not
3:52:24sure the time stamp?
3:52:28[Music]
3:52:31I'm not sure if you were talking about
3:52:32when you were talking about when you
3:52:34know passenger realized like what law
3:52:36enforcement could possibly find out she
3:52:38started to bug the f out or is that when
3:52:43the horrible things happened or if
3:52:46you're still here I'd love to know what
3:52:48exactly you're referring to there.
3:52:55Uh keep certain people on our toes.
3:52:57There's no doubt about that.
3:53:08Yeah. And Chris said, I think I put this
3:53:09earlier that Bog's cool into retirement.
3:53:11I I think so. He left he left a couple
3:53:13helpful little things through the
3:53:14discovery. There's a couple others that
3:53:16I want to talk about similar to the only
3:53:19mentioning of the Oxy. Um, and I don't
3:53:23know. I mean, I don't know, obviously,
3:53:25but I I just I I I feel like there's a
3:53:28pattern there. I'll show you the pattern
3:53:30that I've observed. I don't think it's
3:53:32an accident, but maybe it is.
3:53:44Jody, thank you so much. He's like, I'm
3:53:46very tired. Thank you guys so much. I
3:53:49know moderators work really hard
3:53:50watching.
3:53:55Can I play the video so you can watch
3:53:57which video?
3:54:00Oh, yeah. I'm tomorrow night because I I
3:54:02just I I Yeah, I really I'm up so much
3:54:06later than I really should be. I need to
3:54:10I need to get some energy to my career
3:54:13job. It's coming up real soon now.
3:54:20Yeah, but I'll be happy to um Well,
3:54:22we'll we'll see it on Tuesday, but I'll
3:54:23be happy also to play it on its own um
3:54:26during the next live stream. I'll
3:54:28remember. I'll make a note to do that.
3:54:29No problem. If you want me to I can even
3:54:31post it as a like short I think it's a
3:54:33short length or if not if you want me to
3:54:36post it, I I will do that tomorrow, too.
3:54:38Just let me know if you want me to do
3:54:40that. Oh, but you I think you want to
3:54:42watch with everyone else. I don't know.
3:54:44You let me know. um putting thoughts in
3:54:46your head that maybe you did or did not
3:54:48have or maybe I'm not. I got to go to
3:54:50bed, guys. I see so many people I need
3:54:53to say hello to and I appreciate all of
3:54:55you guys. So, I think we um illustrated
3:55:00many points of it's a freaking hard
3:55:02world out there. So, guys, please do be
3:55:04nice and understanding to each other
3:55:07here in chat tomorrow at work or at home
3:55:10or in your thoughts.
3:55:13Although I don't believe the power of
3:55:16positive thinking is going to take you
3:55:19from, you know, jobless to millionaire.
3:55:21I do think it's important. But we're
3:55:23kind of thinking in our mind all day
3:55:24long. We're listening to ourselves all
3:55:25day long, right? So be nice to others in
3:55:28that way, too. But mostly yourself
3:55:30because you deserve it. And if other
3:55:33people tell you that, you keep coming
3:55:35here and I am going to let you know
3:55:36because you are awesome and appreciated
3:55:40by me and so many other people.
3:55:44Hi, pretty bird.
3:55:49Oh, so happy to read that. I'm so glad I
3:55:52read that comment. I was just going to
3:55:53like close out. I want to say hello.
3:55:56Pretty said, "Being a part of this
3:55:58amazing chat gives me faith back in
3:56:00humanity." That's freaking awesome. That
3:56:02is like one of the coolest things you
3:56:03can say. Thank you. And I'm so glad
3:56:05that's your experience. That's amazing.
3:56:07And thank you moderators and everybody
3:56:09else who is here for making that happen.
3:56:10You guys are like seriously
3:56:14you're you're Yeah, you're amazing.
3:56:37I know. I thought that was pretty crazy,
3:56:38too. um fan lady. I think about that a
3:56:41lot and I whenever I hear it I'm like I
3:56:43just believe him that he really thinks
3:56:44that or I don't know but I think that I
3:56:47think he's like that's his reality. Um
3:56:49she said I can't believe the Lindstöm
3:56:51boy spilled the tea the day before they
3:56:54were found.
3:56:56Um he said to Kobach um I think it was
3:56:59somebody else in there. Well, whoever.
3:57:01Maybe it was Kobach. I don't know. I
3:57:03went home from Tammy Lee right now if
3:57:04they were talking to me. I'm so tired.
3:57:06She says to Kovac, I just picture them
3:57:09in a hole. I don't know why. What the
3:57:11heck? That is I think that's striking
3:57:14and you know I definitely personally,
3:57:17you know, I I sense and I see and I
3:57:19believe in, you know, children having an
3:57:22intuitive power that's just it's it's
3:57:24it's more it's it's it's
3:57:27more of a gift and it's more accurate.
3:57:29is more present than it is as we go
3:57:32through life and we start to use
3:57:35different senses about us for better or
3:57:36worse. But I believe him when he says
3:57:39it.
3:57:44Hi Kie. How are you doing?
3:57:50I think that was said too and I can't
3:57:53please I thought that's funny you said
3:57:55that. Um because I don't Yeah. I feel
3:57:58like that's just a private thought I
3:58:00have, but I think so I think that did
3:58:01happen. Karen says, um I think that
3:58:04Bella said something about digging a
3:58:06hole that day at the party. Oh, so did
3:58:08you think that maybe where he picked it
3:58:10up or put two two together?
3:58:15Oh, thanks Michelle. I'm glad you were
3:58:17here.
3:58:38And then they laugh off and say that's
3:58:40weird. Shug it off. Are you saying like
3:58:44hear that? Is there other places? If I
3:58:46leave your opinion, I'm glad you're here
3:58:48and sharing your opinion and be part of
3:58:49the conversation.
3:58:59There's a recording of the interview and
3:59:00he says it's still online. You mean
3:59:01Jeremy Lynstrom son? Yeah. Oh, there
3:59:03absolutely there is that we're talking
3:59:05about or the Frankie thing. There's both
3:59:10I believe. Yeah.
3:59:21Wait, what? This is one I'm not familiar
3:59:22with. Why did um SR say that Bella was
3:59:27faced down in the dirt in her like
3:59:30vision?
3:59:32I I'm not even facing that. Yikes. I
3:59:35don't know. I can't even recall that.
3:59:38Maybe after my brain rest a little I
3:59:39would, but I'm not sure.
3:59:47Thank you, Logo Jess. I appreciate it.
3:59:51Oh, you're saying I got you. And then
3:59:53like the investigative appearance thing.
3:59:55That's weird. Okay, I got you now. Oh,
3:59:58guys, I got to go. I'm not like reading
4:00:00things correctly. I'm starting to make
4:00:01[ __ ] up and I don't like doing that
4:00:03back.
4:00:04So, everybody have a great night and I
4:00:06will see you Tuesday and um yeah, love
4:00:09you guys. Take care. Bye.

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