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0:01[Music]
0:12Hello everybody. Welcome back to Crime
0:14Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlo and I'm
0:16Derek Labasser. So today we are diving
0:18into part two of the Darly Routier case
0:21and I will give you guys a quick sort of
0:24a recap. I know it's been a week, but I
0:26also know a lot of people were engrossed
0:28in this case. A lot of people have
0:29requested this case, so you might not
0:32need a recap, but I think both Dererick
0:34and I do, so we can get back into that
0:35mindset. So, in the early morning hours
0:38of June 6th, 1996, 26-year-old Darly
0:42Routier called 911 from her home in
0:44Ralelet, Texas, reporting that an
0:46intruder had stabbed her and her two
0:49young sons while they slept downstairs.
0:52When responding officers arrived, they
0:54found six-year-old Devon and 5-year-old
0:56Damon gravely wounded and Darly bleeding
1:00from several knife injuries. Darly
1:02insisted that a man in dark clothing had
1:05broken in, attacked them, and fled
1:07through the garage, leaving the knife
1:08behind. But as officers examined the
1:11scene, they began to notice troubling
1:14inconsistencies, especially in Darly's
1:16behavior and in her account of what had
1:18happened. Recognizing they ran over
1:20their heads, the Rowlette Police
1:21Department brought in James Kron, a
1:24seasoned crime scene consultant with
1:26decades of experience to take the lead.
1:29And what he found would only raise more
1:32questions. So, that's where we're at. We
1:34left off last episode with the entry of
1:36James Cron and we kind of talked a
1:38little bit about him and why he was the
1:40right man for the job. And today, we are
1:43now continuing on with this story. And
1:46honestly, I can't wait. And I know
1:47Dererick can't wait because he didn't
1:49have a great understanding of this case
1:51beforehand, but I could tell last week
1:54when we were talking about this, he was
1:56very much getting into it. And he was
1:57like, I need to know what happens next.
1:58Wheels turning. I do have a confession,
2:00and this is a first for Crime Weekly in
2:025 years. And I know a lot of people,
2:04well, not a lot of people, but some
2:05people don't believe it when I say it,
2:06but I truly don't know anything about
2:08these cases. And I try to avoid as much
2:11as possible while also still being
2:12engaged with you guys in the comment
2:15section and things like that, which can
2:16be extremely difficult because many of
2:19you already know what happened. So, I do
2:21have a confession for this episode. I
2:24know the outcome of this case. It was
2:26disclosed in the comments about a
2:27hundred times. And unfortunately,
2:30without doing too much research, there
2:31was a couple things I was taking notes
2:33on my own before today's episode. I
2:36don't uh recommend that anybody do this,
2:39but for some reason, uh the crime scene
2:42photos, which we're going to be talking
2:43a lot about the crime scene today, the
2:45crime scene photos, specifically
2:48involving Devon and Damon, are available
2:51online, not blurred, and they're one of
2:53the first things that pop up. And I have
2:55to tell you, I mean, I as a human being,
2:57but as a parent, when you talked about
3:00it, Stephanie, you have an idea, right?
3:03Like I've I've been to these types of
3:05crime scenes before, never involving a
3:07kid like this, fortunately. Thank God.
3:09Yeah. Yep. It is
3:11horrific. You described it accurately,
3:14but you even I think for the for the
3:15right
3:17reasons, downplayed it a little bit.
3:19This was a horrific crime scene. I don't
3:22recommend anybody go look at it. Just
3:24take my word for it. As someone who's
3:26seen unfortunately a lot of murder
3:29scenes over the years. This was bad.
3:32This was really, really bad. And yeah,
3:34I'm I don't know all the specifics, but
3:37seeing that um I really wanted to dive
3:40right back into it
3:41because someone out there is an absolute
3:44monster. I don't know how you could do
3:46this to anyone, especially children. And
3:49I I know where this one goes. I won't
3:51spoil it for the people who have been
3:52able to avoid any spoilers, but um
3:55that's where I'm at right now as we
3:57approach episode number two. I have not
3:59seen the photos, so I will not be
4:00looking at them. You do not need to. It
4:02was an accident the way it kind of st I
4:05stumbled on it. It was not a deep
4:06search. It pops right up. No, I believe
4:08you actually. I've seen them in Google
4:11searches. I just kind of scroll by. I'm
4:12like, "Nope, didn't see you. Didn't see
4:14you. Didn't see you." In fact, I was
4:16talking to Shannon and she was talking
4:17about the episode and how she found it
4:19fascinating. And she says to me in the
4:21text message, she says, "Just be careful
4:23if you look up anything because Damon
4:26and Devon's photos pop up." And I
4:28responded to her. Unfortunately, I
4:30already have. Dot dot dot. That was it.
4:32So, that's where I'm at on it. Just a
4:34terrible case, and I'm glad we're
4:35covering it because not everyone agrees
4:38with with the majority, and I think it's
4:39important to hear both sides. So,
4:41looking forward to today. Yes. So, let's
4:44dive right in. So, the crime scene
4:46consultant, James Kron, arrived at the
4:47Routier home at around 5:45 a.m. on June
4:516th, and he began an initial walkthrough
4:53to get a sense of what had happened. He
4:55started in the family room. This was
4:57where the attacks, you know, allegedly
5:00started. This was their Yeah, this is
5:02where they reportedly took place. I
5:03think more the allegedly comes from the
5:05word attack, not nec. But either way, it
5:07is an attack if we get right down to it.
5:10Yeah, exactly. and he found that the
5:12carpet was soaked with blood in the
5:14living room. Now, Devon's body was still
5:16by the couch. He'd been declared dead at
5:18the scene, so he was never taken to the
5:21hospital. Blood evidence suggested that
5:23his brother, Damon, had also been
5:25stabbed near the couch, then crawled
5:28several feet across the room before
5:30collapsing near the hallway in the
5:32kitchen. He was still alive when
5:34paramedics arrived and was rushed to the
5:36hospital where he was later pronounced
5:38dead. Now, Kron noted that aside from
5:40the devastating injuries, the family
5:42room didn't show many signs of a
5:43struggle. Given the layout of the room
5:46and Darly's account of this violent
5:48confrontation, he would have expected to
5:50see more disruption, but instead the
5:52space appeared largely intact. The
5:55coffee table near Devon was described as
5:57being sort of knocked a jar, but the
5:59glass top remained intact, as did the
6:02flower arrangement sitting on top. There
6:04was also a lamp to the left of the couch
6:06where Darly's head would have been while
6:08sleeping, and the shade of that lamp was
6:10knocked a skew, but one of the
6:12paramedics later would testify that he
6:14had accidentally done that while
6:16treating the boys. The lamp and its base
6:18were undamaged and there was no blood.
6:21Behind another couch, which bordered the
6:23kitchen area was a narrow table lined
6:25with decorative items, all of which were
6:28undisturbed. Now, what does that tell
6:31you if you're walking into a crime scene
6:33where this violent confrontation
6:35happened, this violent attack, and
6:36especially the narrow table with all
6:38these decorative items which kind of
6:41bordered the kitchen area that that
6:43would be completely fine. Nothing was
6:45knocked over. If this guy's running out,
6:47going that way, passing by it, she's
6:49pursuing after him, you'd kind of expect
6:52to see more. Maybe he would try to like
6:55even throw stuff behind him to get in
6:58her way as he's he's running cuz she's
7:00pursuing him. Well, now you're getting
7:01more movie. You get more movie. But at
7:03minimum, I would I would say this. If
7:06we're to believe Darly's account, then
7:09she was asleep while she was being
7:10attacked. And a lot of you guys talked
7:12about this in the comments when you're
7:13as you were some of you were defending
7:14her as far as us kind of playing down
7:17what her injuries. But I I I throw this
7:19back at you guys because here's where I
7:21get to respond. Yes, I would expect to
7:23see more signs of struggle to answer
7:24your question directly, especially if
7:26this guy's attacking her in the middle
7:27of the night and not knowing the layout
7:29of the property as well as she does as
7:31he's running out. He may trip over some
7:32things, etc. I don't necessarily think
7:34that the the fact that the glass wasn't
7:36broken is an automatic sign that like
7:38she's lying. But to me, the bigger, more
7:41troubling thing is the actual crime
7:42scene that you just laid out. Devon and
7:44Damon, one was already deceased, the
7:46other one was barely hanging on when
7:48theatics got there. Yeah. Put yourself
7:50in the in the mind of the monster for a
7:51second, everyone out there. Okay? If I'm
7:54approaching this house and I get inside
7:56undetected and I look on the couch and I
7:59see an adult and two children and I want
8:02to get out of there with as little
8:03struggle as possible, ask yourself, who
8:06are you stabbing first? Mhm. Stephanie.
8:09Yeah, of course. So, it's going to it's
8:11stabbing the adult. Okay. So, now don't
8:14let us put words into your mouth. We saw
8:17the way that Devon and Damon were
8:19stabbed. And we talked about this
8:21briefly in part one. There was no there
8:24was no doubt what the intention was.
8:27They were deliberate and that it was
8:30intended to kill them. So, if we're to
8:32believe Dari's account, and I would
8:35assume she would have been the first one
8:36stabbed, right? She could have woken up
8:38from the other the boys screaming. I'm
8:40sure they were yelling. I hate to be
8:42that person. They weren't quiet the
8:43whole time. No. especially if they're
8:46crawling away. It's sickening to even
8:48think about that. Okay, she would have
8:50heard something. But yet, we're to
8:51believe that she woke up to being
8:54attacked. So, not only do the injuries,
8:56and what I mean by that is a straight
8:58shot into her chest. There's nothing of
9:00that. Okay. If we're to believe that the
9:04injuries were established first, where
9:06she was attacked first and she doesn't
9:08have the same injuries as Devon and
9:10Damon, on top of them not being a
9:12struggle, it's hard to compute that and
9:14say, "Yeah, that makes sense." The
9:16evidence supports your account of what
9:18happened. Because to me, no doubt if she
9:21was attacked by someone, she would have
9:23been first and the injuries would have
9:25been just as intentional as they were to
9:27Damon and Devon. And yet, they're not.
9:29So yes, sign of struggle is a problem
9:32for me if I'm approaching that crime
9:33scene. The bigger struggle for me is the
9:37inconsistencies with the the attacks. I
9:40agree. Why would the attacker have
9:42changed up his MO between his first two
9:44attacks to the third? What what was he
9:47intending for her? And some people might
9:49be like, oh, maybe he wanted her to be
9:51alive so he could do something to her.
9:52Then why did he run out when she woke
9:55up? you know, like, yeah, it's it
9:57doesn't it there's there's some problems
9:58there. And then, uh, I I saw a few
10:00comments where people were like, "Oh,
10:02she didn't know that her two sons had
10:04been attacked when she got up and chased
10:06that guy." So, no, I don't I get what
10:08she's saying. I'm not saying I agree
10:10with her, but yes, the way the crime
10:11scene is being described is there's
10:13blood everywhere. That one of the boys
10:15had to crawl from the couch to the place
10:17where his body was found. So, you're
10:19telling me you don't hear moaning,
10:20groaning, cries, shouts, calls from mom,
10:24anything like that? you don't see this.
10:25You're not stepping in wet blood as you
10:28get up from the couch. It doesn't make
10:30any sense that she wouldn't have known
10:32that. It doesn't add up. And I and as a
10:35mother, my first thought when I wake up
10:37and an intruder's stabbing me and then
10:39runs away is I got to check on my kids
10:42who I know are in this room with me. I
10:44got to make sure they're okay first and
10:45then figure out what to do with this
10:47guy. And maybe you could say, "Oh, he
10:49she was afraid that he was going to run
10:50upstairs and kill her husband and baby."
10:52Yeah, maybe. Maybe. But you'd still have
10:55a split second to to do a cursory
10:58glance. Where's my other two kids? I got
10:59to make sure they're okay. And you
11:02didn't do that. So, it's odd. I'm going
11:04to be redundant in this episode. For
11:06anybody else out there, you can dilute
11:08this down to its most simplistic
11:12perspective. If you're to look at the
11:14three people, Damon, Devin, and Darly,
11:17okay, and you look at Damon and Devon,
11:19and you ask yourself based on these
11:21injuries, based on the attack, what was
11:22the intention? It was to kill them. And
11:25then you look at the injuries to Darly
11:26and we're to believe that she was
11:28asleep. So, not to be crass here, but
11:31how hard is it to hit an immovable an
11:33object that's not moving? She's sitting
11:34there sleeping. She's completely
11:36vulnerable. Her chest is is exposed to
11:38you. How do you miss How do you miss
11:40someone who has is not moving at that
11:42point? Not defending themselves. Not
11:43defending themselves. Yeah. And yet
11:45we're to believe that they were all
11:46attacked by the same person. And yet
11:49somehow even with a bigger mass to hit a
11:51bigger target to go for, she was lucky
11:54enough while sleeping for this for this
11:56individual to completely miss any uh any
11:59inj organs that would have left her
12:01deceased as well. That's hard to
12:03believe. This is my opinion allegedly.
12:05Don't come for me. That's because that's
12:07the only story that could have possibly
12:09made sense, right? Her sons wouldn't
12:11have been dead if she was the first one
12:13attacked and she woke up to defend
12:14herself and then the guy ran out. She
12:16would be still alive if she was the
12:18first one attacked. I agree. That's the
12:19only story that makes sense if she has
12:22any chance of getting away with this.
12:24But the real story that makes sense is
12:26there's no way anybody brutally murdered
12:28your two young sons while you slept
12:31through this. Right. Exactly. And and
12:32that that's it's impossible. I'm sorry.
12:34And and push back in the comments. And
12:36it's I like the open debate. I like the
12:38discussion. I'm telling you where I'm
12:40coming from. Stephanie's telling you
12:41where she's coming from. If you have an
12:43explanation for that, I am all ears. And
12:45I'm not saying that sarcastically. I I
12:47truly want to hear your opinions on it.
12:48That's why it's great to have these
12:50episodes on YouTube because there's that
12:52instant feedback. But also, I want to
12:53point out if you're on audio, you can
12:56also leave comments as well. Don't rate
12:58it based on whether you agree with me or
13:00not, but you can leave we're reading
13:01those reviews as well. So, you know,
13:04leave a review based on the work we're
13:05doing, but also leave a comment if you
13:07have some feedback. So next, James Kron
13:10moved into the kitchen. There he saw a
13:13vacuum cleaner lying between the kitchen
13:15island and the counter that separated
13:17the kitchen from the family room. Near
13:19the sink, Kron observed a large amount
13:22of blood that appeared to have been shed
13:24or dripped directly onto the floor.
13:26There were also smears on the front of
13:29the cabinet beneath the sink. On the
13:31counter between the kitchen and the
13:32family room was a bloody butcher knife,
13:35which had come from the knife block
13:37nearby. There were also several
13:39valuables on the kitchen counters,
13:41including a purse, car keys, and what
13:43was described as a large amount of
13:45expensive jewelry. So, I'm going to stop
13:48myself again and I'm going to say I
13:50always find it very odd these not
13:53necessarily these home invasions because
13:54if it was a home invasion, you would
13:57expect to see something missing, right?
13:59So, if this person broke in and like,
14:01I'm going to take stuff. You wouldn't
14:02see a bunch of expensive valuables and
14:05jewelry and and a purse and car keys
14:07sitting on the kitchen counter, that
14:09stuff would have been snatched up. And
14:10especially if he walked in and there was
14:12people sleeping, he would have grabbed
14:13that stuff first. And then if somebody
14:15happened to wake up, then that's when he
14:17attacks. But he did not take that stuff
14:19with him. If he came into that house
14:22specifically to murder these people, why
14:24wouldn't you bring your own weapon? Why
14:26would you depend on the possibility that
14:28there's a weapon there you can use when
14:30you get there? Why wouldn't you come
14:32prepared, right? You had a mask, you had
14:34gloves, you know, you you were prepared
14:36in that way, but you weren't there with
14:38a murder weapon knowing you were going
14:40there to kill people. You're going to
14:41use one of their knives that you hope is
14:43in the kitchen. What if they don't have
14:45knives in the kitchen? What if they just
14:46replace their then you're just standing
14:48there like, "Ah, what do I do now?" You
14:50know, it doesn't make sense. I don't
14:51believe this. Yeah. the intentionality
14:53and that means that the person went in
14:55there, they entered the apartment. We
14:56can throw up the map here again. They
14:58went to the right first. They must have
14:59went to the kitchen, grabbed the knife,
15:01and then entered the living room. It's
15:03just a lot to to go in there and think
15:04they're going to walk through this this
15:06residence unknowing who's up, who's
15:08awake, the layout of the pro the
15:10apartment. You got to figure out where
15:11the kitchen is. You got to figure out
15:12where they keep the knives in the
15:13kitchen. It's going to maybe it's dark
15:14in there and if you turn on lights,
15:15you're going to wake someone up. Or if
15:16you're rumbling around, you're going to
15:17wake someone up. This is just doesn't
15:19make any sense. You came there to kill.
15:20You don't have a weapon to kill. Yeah.
15:22And now, and you guys shed some light on
15:24this as well, apparently, we don't know
15:25this to be true 100%, but apparently
15:28Darren was upstairs with Drake because
15:29Drake had been struggling to sleep. That
15:31was this was a thing that was going on.
15:32It happens to all parents, right? So So
15:34Darren was upstairs with Drake sleeping
15:36and and Darly was downstairs with Damon
15:38and Devon. But to your point here,
15:40there's no way of the the offender
15:41knowing that. There's no way of the
15:43offender knowing the dynamic inside the
15:44house and where people are going to be.
15:46For all you know, Darren's up in the
15:48kitchen having a bowl of cereal. You
15:50don't know. There's no way to to know
15:52that at mo at that moment unless you're
15:53already inside. And then let's break
15:55down what you're saying here. And this
15:56is going to happen a lot during this
15:57episode because I'm hearing it for the
15:59first time. You mentioned the quote shed
16:01or dripped blood directly on the floor.
16:04That would be the signs of a low
16:05velocity blood spatter continuously. It
16:09could be from an injury. I've seen that
16:10before. It could also be from a an
16:13object like a knife having a lot of
16:15blood on it and staying in one spot for
16:17a long period of time and the blood
16:19dripping off that knife onto the floor
16:22in that that specific area wherever the
16:24offender was standing. That would
16:26contradict the the idea of someone who
16:28had just stabbed people running through
16:30the kitchen with a knife because in that
16:32thing you would see high velocity blood
16:34spatter because as they're running and
16:36you could probably throw up pictures of
16:37it here, but if not I'll describe it for
16:38you and I know we're all adults here so
16:40I'll give my best version of it. Uh a
16:42tadpole would be one version of it where
16:45it would look like a ball and then with
16:46a little tail usually in the direction
16:48they're running. So, as they're running
16:49with that knife or as they're running
16:51with blood dripping off of them, you're
16:53going to see that pattern as they run
16:55through the kitchen. And yet, we have a
16:56pool of blood, which would indicate that
16:58either an injured party or the offender
17:01was standing in one space for a period
17:02of time. Now, that could be Dari after
17:04she was attacked and stabbed and now
17:06she's kind of getting herself together.
17:08But according to her, she chased after
17:10this offender out into the garage and
17:12then retreat retreated back to the
17:14living room to render aid to her kids.
17:17But you mentioned other things like the
17:18smear on the knife block on the smear uh
17:20the blood on the knife block, the smear
17:22on the cabinets. That's indicative of
17:24someone being in the kitchen for at
17:25least a certain period of time. So if
17:28not the offender and not Darly, who
17:31wasn't? Yeah, exactly. So again, I'm
17:33breaking this down as we go. I may be a
17:35little not all as clean and as concise
17:38as you say it, but I'm responding based
17:40on my reactions. So Kron saw that some
17:42of the kitchen drawers were open and
17:44bloody cloth items had been placed on
17:46top of them. Kron also noted a few drops
17:50of blood leading into the utility room
17:52which connected the kitchen to the
17:54garage. Inside the utility room, there
17:56was a baseball cap on the floor and
17:58additional blood near the doorway. There
18:01weren't any bloody footprints, but there
18:02was blood on the inside of the door that
18:04led into the garage. So, from the
18:07utility room, Kron stepped into the
18:09garage, which he later described as a
18:11typical garage that was used for storage
18:13and had some cluttered areas. He didn't
18:16see any blood, but one of the windows
18:18caught his attention. It was open and
18:20the screen had been cut in a T-shape.
18:23The window led to the backyard, which
18:25was enclosed by a 6ft privacy fence. So,
18:29we know kind of where we're headed here
18:31with this. Now, was this set up or did
18:34somebody actually break in and used the
18:37screen of the window to escape into the
18:39backyard, which at that point they would
18:41have had to have scaled a 6ft privacy
18:43fence. I have another theory on it and I
18:45want to talk to you about it because
18:46again, I'm hearing this for the first
18:48time and it just I have some interest
18:50that I want to discuss with you. Maybe
18:51you'll be able to dispute it. But before
18:53we do, let's take our first break. We'll
18:55be right back.
18:57[Applause]
18:58[Music]
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21:37[Music]
21:42Okay, we're back from break. I want to
21:44throw something at you and maybe you can
21:45discredit what I'm about to say based on
21:47facts I'm unaware of at this point. You
21:50mentioned the T cut in the screen and it
21:53being a a possible point of egress.
21:57Well, why can't that also be the point
21:58of entry? Could be. Could they have cut
22:01the screen, came in through the garage,
22:04through the utility closet, grabbed the
22:07knife, and entered the living room. And
22:10then knowing how they got in, cuz we
22:12keep arguing, why would they go out this
22:13different way if they came in through
22:14the front door? Well, if that was the
22:17way they came in, that would be the
22:19route they would know to get out.
22:22Interesting, right? Yeah, absolutely.
22:25However, what did Kron find in the
22:28garage about these points of possible
22:31entry or exit? Well, he noted that the
22:34only other way out of the garage was
22:35through the large overhead door, but
22:37that was closed and latched from the
22:38inside. So, You ain't going out that
22:40way. You're not going out. Okay. Nope.
22:42He's not unless unless this is person
22:43Houdini. Yeah. Not getting in either.
22:46Okay. So, he examined the window seal
22:48then of that that door, the window that
22:51had been tampered with. And he looked
22:53for any indication that it had been used
22:55as a point of entry or exit. He found
22:57none. There was a fairly thick layer of
22:59dust over the entire window sill in his
23:02in his opinion. There were no signs that
23:04anyone had gone through it. Right. The
23:06dust is undisturbed. There's no smudges,
23:08fingerprints, shoe prints, there's
23:10nothing. So like what kind of person,
23:13unless you're flying through, like you
23:14can transform into a bird and fly
23:17through and leave everything
23:18undisturbed. What kind of actual human
23:20is able to get through a window in a
23:22garage without disturbing this thick
23:24layer of dust on the window sill? Yeah,
23:26this reminds me of another case, John
23:28Bet. Talking about John Bonet. Yep.
23:29Bingo. Bingo. We had the cobwebs. And so
23:33this is why I love this stuff. not the
23:35what the you know what we're actually
23:36talking about but the the puzzle you're
23:38putting together here and yeah I just
23:40posed a possible theory and cron is
23:44saying no Derek this is why I don't
23:46believe that's the case because if we're
23:47if I'm envisioning this window correctly
23:49it's a small window it's not huge the
23:51offender would have to kind of slide
23:53through it and it would be physically
23:54impossible for them to und to not
23:57disturb any of the dust on the window
23:59sill in the process of doing so
24:01especially when they were exiting if
24:03they're exiting in a rush, right? If
24:05somebody's Look at the picture of the
24:06window. Click on it. It's hyperl. Okay,
24:08I can see it here. Yeah. So, I'm looking
24:10at I get you. This is a bigger window
24:12than I expected. They envisioned and
24:13these photos are going to be really
24:14instrumental to this case. Again, if
24:16you're listening on audio on a Friday,
24:17yeah, you're getting the episode early,
24:19but come back on Sunday, check out these
24:22photos or or do your research on your
24:23own. We're providing them for you at the
24:25time stamps. It'll make your life a lot
24:27easier. But just looking at the window
24:29as is, it is a very large window as far
24:32as a person being able to get through,
24:33but I would still make the argument and
24:36I stand on this. It would be very
24:38difficult to get through that window
24:40without disturbing any dust. And you
24:42would see it. We've all seen it in our
24:43house where it's just a swipe and it
24:46leaves some type of smudge. But if
24:48they're if the dust is perfectly
24:50intact, try doing that for me. Don't
24:53hurt yourself. Give it a shot and see if
24:55you can pull that off. No, even I I
24:57remember like closing basement windows
25:00and then like the cuff of my sleeve
25:02takes a small swipe when I'm pulling
25:03away. Yeah, it's this person would have
25:05to and it's possible on the way out. I
25:07don't know about the way in cuz they
25:08would want to be quiet, but on the way
25:10out if Darly was giving chase, they
25:13could have literally dove through the
25:15window and avoid touching too much of
25:17it. But how I don't I don't see it
25:20happening. It'd be the It'd be the most
25:21luck It'd be the luckiest guy on the
25:23planet. You'd have to really know what
25:24you were doing, have control over your
25:26body in that way. And I just don't Yeah.
25:28You always think like, I could dive
25:29through this window and then you try and
25:30you end up smack dab with your face in
25:32the window. Corre correct. And I mean,
25:34you could see inside the garage. You
25:35think the T-shape would have been sort
25:37of like ripped open more if this person
25:40had dove through it. It's It's pretty
25:42ripped open. I mean, it's going to
25:43expand as they go through and then maybe
25:45contract a little bit cuz it's, you
25:46know, it's stretched out when they go
25:47through. But yeah, I mean, definitely
25:49look at these photos, guys. Come to your
25:51own opinions on it. But I wanted to
25:54point it out, especially the photos,
25:55because when I said, and you said it as
25:57well, John Benet, that window was much
26:00higher. It was much smaller. This is not
26:02a one forone comparison. This window is
26:04much bigger. Looks like it's a little
26:07closer to the ground. Maybe not much.
26:09So, it would be more possible in this
26:11scenario than John Benet, but I think
26:12the same argument still holds true. So,
26:16Kron continues looking at this window in
26:18the area around it. He notices that
26:20there's no blood, no scuff marks, no
26:22debris, no bark, mulch, or damp
26:24vegetation that might have been carried
26:26in from outside. There was also a large
26:29animal cage, even partially blocking the
26:31windows opening. So that large animal
26:34cage being in there, partially blocking
26:37the windows opening, I think is also
26:39important. If you were going to get in
26:41or out that way, you might have moved
26:43that cage at some point to make it
26:46easier for yourself or to make it so
26:48that nobody would hear. After inspecting
26:50the garage, Kron went outside to examine
26:52the perimeter of the house. He looked
26:54for signs of forced entry or
26:56disturbances, footprints, blood, broken
26:58flower beds, moved mulch, discarded
27:00weapons, but again, he found nothing.
27:04So, in total, Kron spent about 30
27:06minutes walking the scene, and by the
27:07time he was done, he no longer believed
27:09an intruder had come through that window
27:11or into the house at all. Instead, he
27:15concluded that Darly's account of what
27:17had happened didn't add up. He then
27:19directed crime scene investigators to
27:21begin photographing the scene and
27:22collecting physical evidence. Now,
27:25before we break down the evidence found
27:26inside the house, there's something
27:28important to note. According to Darly's
27:30family, officers and investigators moved
27:32several items around while processing
27:34the scene, and it wasn't always clear
27:36who had handled what. On their website,
27:39the family's website, they state, quote,
27:41for example, the phone was photographed
27:43in different locations. A lamp in the
27:45family room was moved around. The vacuum
27:46cleaner was photographed in different
27:48positions in the kitchen area. Family
27:50files were moved from one location onto
27:53one of the couches, and a pillow was
27:54moved around, to name just a few. The
27:57photographs showed that little care was
27:58taken to secure the crime scene and that
28:00minimal information could be gleamed
28:02from the pictures since objects were
28:04moved repeatedly in some cases. End
28:08quote. So, as we go through the evidence
28:10described by investigators and crime
28:12scene experts, keep in mind that the
28:13layout of the scene may not have been
28:16fully preserved. Yeah. And this is
28:18always going to be the case with these
28:19cases and and and we want to be accurate
28:22and law enforcement has an obligation to
28:24go in there. And that's why before
28:25touching anything, a video should be
28:27taken of the of the crime scene before
28:30moving anything around, but you have
28:31liloos in there. You have multiple
28:33investigators, you have Emmys, you have
28:35uh rescue rescue personnel, a lot of
28:38things. It could be completely innocent
28:40why things were moved, but if it's not
28:42articulated or not written down, it
28:44opens the case up to interpretation. And
28:47I'm not villainizing them, but as
28:48defense attorneys, you're going to look
28:50for those things because they raise
28:52questions and they raise speculation.
28:54They cause reasonable doubt, but they
28:55cause reasonable doubt. But the only
28:56thing I would, and I know I'm biased in
28:58this because I'm usually on the other
28:59side, but you have to ask yourself in
29:02this case, it's not always the
29:03situation, but what would be law
29:05enforcement's incentive here at this
29:07moment? I know some of you are going to
29:08say, "Well, they thought Darly did it,
29:10so they were already, you know, making
29:12the scene look a certain way to to make
29:14her look bad." But I would I would I
29:17would like to believe in this particular
29:19case most of these things that may not
29:21be in the exact spot they were could be
29:23explained. But I also
29:25acknowledge that it shouldn't happen.
29:28There should have been a video and you
29:29can explain it afterwards. Even
29:31something as innocent as the paramedic
29:33who was like, "Yeah, you know, when I
29:34was trying to provide life-saving
29:35measures to these victims, I bumped into
29:37the lamp and the lampshade moved." The
29:40fact that he even remembered that is
29:41impressive. That's what I'm saying as
29:42far as innocence. Sometimes things are
29:44moved in the moment trying to save a
29:45life that you don't even remember doing
29:47cuz it's a subconscious response. You
29:49just do it and not even remember doing
29:51it and therefore you don't write it
29:52down. But there are so many photos in
29:54this case and you can look them up and
29:56even some of the things I was described.
29:58I didn't want to just keep doing this
30:00every time. But when we're talking about
30:01the blood that we talked about a few
30:03minutes ago, all the photos are there to
30:05for you guys to look at and interpret
30:06yourself. You can see the blood droplets
30:08and where they go and how they're pretty
30:10consistent and then they're not in the
30:11garage. It tells a story. You just have
30:14to interpret the information the way you
30:16want to do it and and come up to your
30:17own conclusions. But it's all there for
30:19you to consume and kind of develop your
30:22own vision of what the crime scene
30:23looked like before, during, and after
30:25the incident. Yes. Exactly. And um I
30:28think it's important to also understand
30:30I there was a lot of pictures taken in
30:32this case. Yes. And I think they did
30:35that because the police were like, "We
30:37need to make sure to document everything
30:39we possibly can." So, I don't believe
30:42and I you know I if you ask me is there
30:45a chance for law enforcement corruption?
30:47Is there a chance that law enforcement
30:49is like messing with stuff
30:50intentionally? Yeah, cuz we've seen it
30:52happen. Of course, in this case, I don't
30:54see what the motive would be to do that.
30:56You know, you have somebody who killed
30:58two kids as law enforcement officials,
31:00as people who have children of their
31:02own. Don't you think you would want that
31:04person apprehended? What's your motive
31:06in being like, let's frame this mother?
31:09Why? That would be the motive, right,
31:11for for some people would be they didn't
31:13like Darly because they thought she was
31:14a killer and therefore they enhanced the
31:17crime scene to tell that story. They
31:18were biased. Correct. But they but these
31:21are several multiple law enforcement
31:23officials who are all biased to the same
31:25degree enough where they're all agreeing
31:27to do this even though not one of them
31:28is like, "Hey, but there could be a kid
31:30killer out there and we have kids, guys.
31:32Don't you think you might want to
31:32apprehend the real person?" Not one of
31:35them said that. Come on. I I get it. And
31:37there's a lot one of them has broken
31:38since and and the blood being found and
31:42I don't I'm assuming you're going to get
31:43into this. I don't want to get ahead of
31:45us, but all this blood I'm assuming it
31:47was sampled and you're going to get the
31:48you're going to find out who it belonged
31:50to. That's going to tell you a story as
31:52well because I mean I looked at that
31:54drawer photo that was exhibit I believe
31:5679 when we were going through it on the
31:59actual drawer that was pulled out. Whose
32:00blood is that all over it? It's a it's a
32:02substantial amount of blood in there.
32:04Whose blood is that? These are the
32:05questions that I have. as of right now.
32:07And I'm I'm hoping we answer him. So,
32:09let's talk about what they found inside
32:11as far as evidence. And we're going to
32:13start back in the family room.
32:14Investigators examined the couch where
32:16Darly said she'd been sleeping when she
32:18was first attacked, but they didn't find
32:20any cuts or defects on her pillow or the
32:23couch itself. Nearby on the carpet about
32:2618 in from Devon's body, they found a
32:29bloody impression that resembled a
32:31knife. Not far from that was a folder
32:33that held the boys' life insurance
32:35policies, which were valued at just
32:375,000 each. Investigators also examined
32:41the coffee table near Devon and the
32:43flowers arranged on top. The flowers had
32:45no blood on them. However, investigators
32:47did lift two latent fingerprints from
32:50the glass tabletop. There was also a
32:52latent print found on the sliding glass
32:54door in the family room. In the kitchen,
32:56Kron and other investigators documented
32:58the vacuum cleaner in its original
33:00position before carefully moving it to
33:02examine the area underneath. And I want
33:05to point out again, this is why Darly's
33:08family could have seen the vacuum
33:09cleaner in different positions
33:11throughout the crime scene photos
33:12because they're not going to leave the
33:14vacuum cleaner there the whole time.
33:15They have to lift under it to see is
33:17there blood? Is there evidence? So,
33:19they're going to take a picture of it
33:21where it was when they found it and then
33:23they're going to move it, correct? And
33:25take more pictures. Right. And if but if
33:26they didn't, you know, we always say if
33:28it's not in the report, it didn't
33:29happen. It's it's a painstaking process,
33:32but you have to document even the most
33:35trivial things because those will be the
33:37holes that defense will try to stretch.
33:40And do you know what happened? When
33:42investigators lifted the vacuum cleaner,
33:44they found evidence underneath it. They
33:46noticed what appeared to be roll marks
33:48on the floor, which they didn't want to
33:50disturb. Under the vacuum, they found
33:52two bloody footprints, both of the same
33:54size, as well as blood drops and
33:57fragments from a broken wine glass. The
34:00vacuum itself had blood on the handle,
34:02the body, and the wheels. And Kron
34:04believed the footprints could have
34:06belonged to Darly, who was barefoot when
34:08officers arrived at the scene. Near the
34:10vacuum was a wine rack, which Kron noted
34:13had no blood on it. none on the bottles,
34:16the glasses, or the rack itself. After
34:18fully documenting the scene, Kron tested
34:21the stability of the rack by rattling
34:23it, bumping into it, and jarring it
34:24slightly. He later said, quote, "None of
34:27the glasses fell off." End quote. Which
34:30obviously brought up the question about
34:32how a wine glass ended up broken
34:34underneath the vacuum cleaner. Yeah. And
34:37I and and for my audio listeners, I'm
34:39looking at the role marks right now and
34:41I I don't think there's a way to
34:43articulate it perfectly, but just me
34:45seeing it for the first time, it looks
34:47like these roll marks occurred after the
34:50attack. Why is that important? Because
34:53we're see the roll marks are actually in
34:55blood. It's not like the roll marks you
34:57would see in a normal carpet. It looks
34:59like there was blood there and the
35:00vacuum rolled through it. Why is that
35:03important? That means that after this
35:04incident occurred, after three people
35:07were brutally stabbed, someone grabbed
35:11the vacuum cleaner and rolled it through
35:13blood. Mhm. Do you believe I don't think
35:16somebody was vacuuming. I think they
35:17just moved the vacuum cleaner. Just
35:19moved it. Yeah. But didn't lift it.
35:21Nope. Just rolled it through the blood.
35:23And so you have to ask yourself, do you
35:25believe the attacker rolled a vacuum
35:30after doing this or being apparently
35:32this person was kind of ran out of the
35:35house? Are you to believe that person
35:38grabbed the vacuum and rolled it through
35:39the area? And if not him, then who? And
35:42if you're believing that Dari was
35:44innocent in this, do you believe that
35:46after she was stabbed and chased a
35:48defender and attacker out of the house,
35:49at some point between her being on the
35:51911 call and seeing her kids that she
35:54moved the vacuum? That's up for you to
35:56decide. No. And the Why would she be
35:58moving the vacuum? The people who
36:00support her are going to say, "Oh, the
36:01police did that. The police made those
36:02marks when they were messing with the
36:04crime scene after." I got it. I got it.
36:06I And that's that's what it will always
36:08fall back on. And I'm not saying that
36:09like that to say it's not true. But
36:11whenever there's a defense, it's always
36:14going to fall back on police ineptness
36:16or corruption. And there's no way to
36:17dispute that because you have to be in
36:19the mind of the officer. So, it's a
36:21great defense. If you can prove it, it's
36:23a great defense. But you can always say
36:25whenever in doubt, police did it because
36:28they either were just not good at their
36:29job or they were had an axe to grind.
36:31And that's the that's the that's the
36:33copout. And I hate to use copout like
36:35it's I'm not trying to diminish it and
36:36say it's not true in certain cases, but
36:38that's always the fall back. But it
36:40can't be true in every case. And because
36:44people know it's true in some cases,
36:46they'll use this argument to just paint
36:48every case that they don't like the
36:50outcome of with these broad strokes of,
36:52well, there's always a chance the police
36:53in in their incompetence or their, you
36:56know, biasness caused them to do this.
36:58It's it cannot be the fall back for
37:00everything. We have to look at these
37:02things. Does it happen? Absolutely. But
37:05I think you worded it best. It's not
37:07every case, guys. It's not every case.
37:09And listen, this is also very
37:11interesting what I'm going to tell you
37:12next because we keep going through this.
37:14Well, would the offender who was in the
37:17house do this? Would he do that? Would
37:18he do that? Would he do this? As
37:20mentioned earlier, there was a
37:22significant amount of blood on the floor
37:24in front of the kitchen sink. So, when
37:26investigators examined the sink and
37:28counter area more closely, they
37:30discovered signs that someone had
37:31attempted to clean the surface. So, what
37:33did they do? Well, they sprayed Luminal
37:36around the kitchen to detect traces of
37:37blood not visible to the naked eye. and
37:39it revealed blood stains in the sink.
37:41Patterns that were consistent with
37:43someone rinsing blood from their hands.
37:45And there was also evidence that a towel
37:47may have been used to wipe up some of
37:49the blood around the sink. When is the
37:51offender going to have blood on their
37:53hands after he's killed the two boys?
37:55Yeah. Are we to assume that after
37:57killing the two boys and Darly doesn't
37:59wake up, he now goes into the kitchen,
38:01washes his hands so he can have a clean
38:03slate before going back and and
38:06attempting to kill Darly, who is still
38:08sleeping through the water turning on
38:10and someone being in her kitchen. Or you
38:11have to believe that after Darly was
38:13stabbed and chased the guy out of her
38:14house before going back to her kids or
38:16even after going and finding her kids
38:18like that, somewhere between the 911
38:20call, she went and washed her hands. Why
38:22would she have blood on her hands? She
38:23wasn't the one who was stabbing anyone.
38:24Well, my point being if she's getting
38:26stabbed, right, if she's getting stabbed
38:28and she's bleeding and she gets blood on
38:31her while in that
38:33process, she could have blood on her
38:35hands. But I would still in agreeance
38:37with you say at any point, and you have
38:40to ask this question for yourself. If
38:41you were stabbed or you just saw blood
38:43all over the ground and your kids are
38:44laying on the ground, are you going to
38:46take even a moment to go wash your
38:48hands? Do you give a about the blood on
38:51your hands to go wash your hands? And
38:52more importantly, let's even say that's
38:54possible. Are you gonna clean it up
38:56after the fact? No. And I mean, we did
38:59this with Scott with uh Michael
39:01Peterson. Remember the staircase? Yeah.
39:04There was evidence that he had tried to
39:05clean it up and he was like, "Oh, I
39:07didn't know what to do. It was, you
39:08know, people behaved differently." And
39:10no, no, man. Because that's not a
39:13consideration at that point. It's not a
39:15concern. So your third option is that
39:18Darly stabbed her two kids and then you
39:21know wanted to wash her hands so that
39:25their blood was not on her hands when
39:27the police arrived. I don't think at
39:28this point if you're if you're operating
39:31from an objective perspective, you can
39:33look at what we've laid out so far or
39:35what you've laid out so far and say that
39:38it has doesn't have to be a top
39:39consideration that someone in that house
39:43cleaned up the crime scene before law
39:45enforcement arrived. And why would the
39:47offender have done that? And when would
39:49he have had time to do that? Well, cuz
39:51the only reason I'm saying this like
39:53that is I know we're really focusing on
39:56Darly right now and I do know the
39:58outcome of this case. I'm not playing
39:59stupid, but there was also another adult
40:01in that house. Darren was in that house
40:03as well. Now, I know we haven't talked
40:04about him a lot. I don't know the
40:06specifics of when exactly he found out
40:08in that moment, but there were two other
40:10there were two adults in that house. I
40:12don't know what happened. Nobody knows
40:13exactly what happened that night, but
40:16based on what you've discussed so far in
40:18the and the descriptions of the evidence
40:19and the pictures I'm looking at, to me,
40:22it looks like someone attempted to clean
40:24up the scene before police officers got
40:27got to the crime scene and had a chance
40:29to actually do their investigation,
40:31which if we're to believe the amount of
40:33time that trans went by between the
40:35attack and Darly calling law
40:37enforcement, that's a significant amount
40:39of things that were done in that short
40:40period of time. Absolutely. And I saw I
40:43did see some comments where people were
40:44like, you know, I think Darren was in on
40:45it. Darren's only in on it if Darly
40:48knows. I would agree. I I would concur
40:50with that. Yeah. So there's no world
40:52because that would still be Darren
40:53stabbing the kids in front of her. Yeah.
40:55There's no world that exists where
40:56everything went down as she described
40:58it, but the intruder with the mask on
41:00was Darren and then he she chased him
41:02out of the house and then he what? Ran
41:03back in, jumped up the Yeah, exactly.
41:06dove through the garage window,
41:08spiderman up the house, got in the
41:10bedroom, cleaned himself up, and then
41:11came down like, "Well, what's going on
41:12here?" No, no, not happening. Not
41:14happening. Guys, we're going to take
41:16another break. We'll be right back.
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43:31Skin. So, we are back and in the utility
43:34room, crime scene investigators examined
43:36the blood evidence. Darly had told
43:38officers that the blood on the floor
43:40came from the asalent dropping the knife
43:42as he fled, but the stains on the floor
43:44didn't look consistent with a knife
43:46being thrown or dropped. Investigators
43:48noted that further testing would be
43:50needed to determine that for certain. On
43:53the inside of the door leading to the
43:54garage, they found latent prints in
43:56blood. And while Kron hadn't seen any
43:58blood in the garage during his initial
44:00walkthrough, when crime scene
44:02investigators looked more closely, they
44:04found a small smear of blood on a
44:06child's whiteboard lying on the ground.
44:09The smear was several feet inside the
44:11garage just past the utility room door
44:13and appeared to be a transfer stain from
44:16the sole of a shoe. Investigators later
44:18concluded that it likely came from one
44:20of the officers or responders on scene.
44:23The garage window where the screen had
44:25been cut was also examined closely. A
44:28blonde hair was collected along with
44:30latent and palm prints. And listen,
44:33testing is going to show more about this
44:36hair and it's going to come up in a
44:38later episode, so just be patient. I
44:40I'll stand by on that one. I would
44:42expect to see more blood in the garage,
44:45especially around the window, if the
44:47offender was injured or had blood on
44:49them because those blood spots that I'm
44:51seeing on the ground in those photos, if
44:52we pull that up again right now, to me,
44:55that doesn't look like someone who was
44:56who was the attacker and had blood
44:58transfer on them. It looks like someone
45:00who was injured. So, anybody who's had a
45:03nose bleed or a cut on them where it's
45:05bleeding significantly, the blood
45:06doesn't stop unless you have a chance to
45:08kind of hold your hand over it or do
45:09whatever. So, I would expect to see
45:10those same droplets that we're seeing in
45:12those previous photos trail throughout
45:15the garage and up the window sill. And
45:16we don't have that. It looks like the
45:18blood trail kind of stops near the
45:19doorway. Well, Darly said she chased him
45:21into the garage and she was injured. So,
45:23you'd expect to see blood from her in
45:25the garage. Fair. But if you're But if
45:27the the knife block had blood on it as
45:29well, who was grabbing the knife block?
45:31Well, maybe maybe somebody who already
45:33had blood on them. That's my point.
45:35That's my point. So, the blood stopping
45:37there is suggestive that the person
45:39didn't go past it. But I would also say
45:40that you make an argument there. If
45:41she's bleeding and she's injured and
45:43she's giving chase, yes, if she doesn't
45:45enter the garage, the blood droplets
45:47would stop there. Well, how far did she
45:48say she went in? She just said she
45:50chased him into the garage. And yeah,
45:52you don't know exactly. Yeah, it's the
45:55evidence, man. The evidence, you can
45:56interpret it different ways depending on
45:58what you believe. So now investigators
46:01are going to search the backyard. No
46:03blood was found on the fence or the
46:05gate, even though the asalent, according
46:07to Darly's account, would have had to
46:09have escaped either over the fence or
46:11through the gate to leave the yard.
46:13About 75 yards away, three houses down,
46:16they found a white tube sock with two
46:18small blood spots near a trash can in
46:21the alley. And this is where people get
46:23hung up. And I'm sure you noticed the
46:24the sock comments in in the comment
46:26section of part one. This is where
46:29people get hang hung up on it. Darren
46:31told law enforcement that the sock came
46:33from a rag pile he kept in the utility
46:35room made up of old socks and other
46:38scrap fabric. So, this is interesting.
46:41It is interesting. Several houses down,
46:43huh? Three houses down. Yeah. Okay.
46:47That's that is interesting to find that
46:49that far down. That that means that
46:50either there's some truth or this was a
46:53more elaborate plan. Especially the fact
46:55that it's coming from Darren. If we're
46:57to believe that Darren wasn't involved,
46:59why would he lie about this? And and is
47:02the blood on the sock consistent with
47:04the blood found inside the Routtier
47:06home? Correct. Is it the same is it the
47:08same person? These there's some
47:09questions there, but either way, the the
47:11one question remains, how'd that sock
47:13get that far away from the house? And
47:14did they look to see if there was
47:16actually a pile of like socks and old
47:18rags and stuff in the utility room? Were
47:20there socks in there or was it just old
47:21rags? I'd be, you know, we'll see if we
47:23can figure that out. I I would like to
47:24know how how certain Darren was about
47:27this sock coming from that pile. Yeah,
47:29this exact it's a white tube sock. You
47:31know, it's like the most common sock
47:33that ever existed. Now, if that blood on
47:35that sock comes back to Darly or Damon
47:37or Devon, then we know it was in the
47:39house. We would know it was in the house
47:40and it belongs there. Yeah. So, the
47:41evidence collected was sent off for
47:43testing that included the bloody sock,
47:45the knife, the knife block, and the cut
47:47window screen as well as blood samples,
47:49laten prints, and other trace evidence.
47:51The results obviously wouldn't be ready
47:53for several days. But while
47:55investigators processed the Routier
47:58home, other officers canvased the
48:00neighborhood to speak with residents
48:01about the family. Most neighbors
48:03described the ruters as flashy but
48:06friendly. Darren was known for wearing
48:08sleeveless shirts to show off his
48:10muscles as well as diamond rings and a
48:12flashy watch. Darly had gotten breast
48:15implants size 36 triple D and was often
48:19seen in tight fitting tops with diamond
48:21rings on nearly every finger. They also
48:24said that Darly tanned regularly and
48:26liked to dress up in fancy clothes. But
48:28even with their over-the-top style, they
48:30were not disliked. In fact, some
48:32neighbors saw them as a good family.
48:34Darly was known as the neighborhood mom
48:36who baked cookies, welcomed kids into
48:38her home, and offered help to anyone
48:39going through hard times. She once
48:41cooked meals for a neighbor in crisis
48:43and even covered a mortgage payment for
48:45a woman battling cancer. Oh, that's
48:48nice. That is nice. Admittedly, that is
48:50nice. That is nice. So, police also
48:52asked whether anyone had seen or heard
48:54anything unusual around the time of the
48:56murders, and several neighbors had. One
48:58resident reported that the night before
49:00the murders, a man driving a truck was
49:02seen parked in front of three different
49:05houses. At one point, he even shined a
49:07light into someone's face. Two people
49:09called the police that night to report
49:11him. Another neighbor said that between
49:131 and 1:30 a.m. she saw a white car
49:16driving repeatedly through the
49:18neighborhood. It made several passes
49:20down the street, though she couldn't say
49:22whether it ever stopped near the
49:23Routtier home. One neighbor who lived
49:25about a half a mile from the Routi told
49:27police she was watching TV around 1:30
49:30a.m. when she noticed a darkcoled
49:31four-door vehicle parked in front of her
49:33house and heard someone at her front
49:35door. She looked out front and saw a
49:37large built man on her porch turning the
49:40door knob and pushing on the door. When
49:42she turned on the porch light, he ran
49:44off towards Willowbrook Drive, which is
49:46one straight over from Eagle Drive where
49:49the Routi lived. Later that night, the
49:51man came back and tried to enter through
49:53a front window with a knife or a
49:54screwdriver. She didn't call the police
49:56at that time because she didn't think
49:58much of it until she heard about the
50:00murders. Another neighbor said she saw a
50:03small black car near the Routtier home
50:05and according to her, it left just as
50:07police and firefighters arrived or
50:09shortly afterward. All right, so here's
50:11what I'm starting to wonder. This
50:12neighbor saw a large built man and we
50:14know that Darren liked to wear
50:16sleeveless shirts to show off his big
50:18muscles. So if this was a planned thing
50:20between Darren and Darly, basically
50:21like, "Hey, we're broke. We can't afford
50:24anything." And two kids, three kids at
50:28this point is too much. and he helped
50:30her, it makes sense that he may have
50:33been planting the seeds of doubt around
50:35the neighborhood the night before. So
50:36that when police canvas the
50:38neighborhood, which they always do,
50:39there'd be neighbors being like, "Yeah,
50:41we saw sketchy people. Yeah, there was a
50:42man trying to get in my window with a
50:44knife or a screwdriver. Yeah, we saw
50:46this guy and he was wearing all black
50:48kind of dressed exactly like Darly
50:50reported him to be dressed and you know,
50:53this is suspicious and it's kind of all
50:54adding up and like you said, causing
50:56reasonable doubt." Yeah, I I think
50:58that's another angle to explore and to
51:00consider because when we talk about life
51:02insurance, and you mentioned it briefly
51:03in episode one, obviously $10,000 total
51:06isn't going to get them out of their
51:08financial struggles, but to to the point
51:10you just made now, which is it's not
51:12only the insurance, but also the cost
51:14going forward, the lifelong cost. Yeah.
51:15You get you get rid of that if you don't
51:17have the kids. So that would also be an
51:19angle or a motive to explore because
51:21yeah on the surface the life insurance
51:23policy even if paid out is not going to
51:26fix their troubles. But not having to
51:28spend money on those kids going forward
51:30would. What happened back in the day you
51:32know during like Victorian times when
51:34people had too many children and then
51:36they were like hey we can't afford these
51:37children. They would dump them in
51:38orphanages. Yeah. And we don't have that
51:41now. And some people might say oh
51:42dumping a kid in an orphanage is not as
51:44bad as murdering them. But isn't it
51:47people knew the state of those
51:48orphanages, what happened to those kids
51:50in the orphanages and just the fact of
51:52saying to your your kid, most of the
51:54time there wasn't even a conversation
51:55with the kid, but just the fact of uh
51:57you're not my kid anymore and I will
51:59never see you again. What's the
52:01difference at that point? It's tough to
52:03rationalize the irrational, but I that's
52:05what our job is to think not about how
52:07we would approach things, but how people
52:09would potentially approach them and
52:11rationalize them in their own heads as
52:12this being the the only way out. This is
52:14what they need to do. may not agree with
52:16it, but if we went about any of these
52:18cases only looking at it from the
52:20perspective of what we would do and how
52:21we would feel, we'd just be sitting here
52:22every week with you guys being like, I
52:24don't understand why this happened. I
52:26don't get it. Um, next case, that would
52:28be it. But you have to look through the
52:30different kinds of minds who would be
52:32capable of doing something like this.
52:33And as we know, unfortunately, as
52:36unfortunate and as sad as it is, parents
52:39kill their children all the time, every
52:42day. This is true. So, while police were
52:44interviewing neighbors and working the
52:45crime scene, Darly was at the hospital
52:47being treated for multiple knife wounds.
52:49Nurse Jodie, who was one of the first to
52:51see her, later said that when Darly
52:52arrived, she kept alternating between
52:55two statements. And those two statements
52:57were, "I need pain medication and why
52:59did they kill my boys?" And this is a
53:01weird statement. Why did they kill my
53:03boys? You said there was one person in
53:05there, but why are you saying they? As
53:06if there's like some syndicate out
53:08there, you know, like uh the the the
53:11small crime syndicate that took John
53:13Bené Ramsey kind of thing. Who is they?
53:16Why are you talking about a they? And
53:18Dr. Patrick Dillon described Darly as
53:21tearful and frightened. And when he
53:23asked how she had gotten her injuries,
53:25she said she'd been stabbed by a white
53:26male wearing a baseball cap. She added
53:29that she'd only seen him from behind.
53:33Which is weird cuz when she didn't she
53:36say when she woke up she saw a man
53:37standing over her? That's my that's what
53:40I'm going for it. If if if we're wrong
53:41guys correct us. But my understanding is
53:43that she woke up to a man over her
53:45stabbing her. Yeah. That's at least for
53:47a moment there. Now she would see him
53:48from behind as she was running after
53:50him. But there would be a brief moment
53:52not only have seen him from behind.
53:53Yeah. She would there would been a brief
53:55moment where they were face to face.
53:57Yeah. I agree. So hospital staff
54:00documented several injuries on Darly's
54:01body. She had a three and a half inch
54:03cut across her neck, a one and a half
54:05inch stab wound on the front of her left
54:08shoulder, and two wounds on her right
54:10forearm. One was a nick that didn't even
54:13require stitches, and the other was a
54:15stab wound approximately 1 in long. She
54:18also had cuts across the palm side of
54:20her left fingers and thumb. Yeah, I I
54:23I've studied these photos extensively,
54:25more time than I care to admit. You can
54:27look at them as well. Maybe Shannon can
54:29do like a slideshow here to kind of go
54:30through them and you can pause at any
54:32moment when you want. I'm not a a
54:35pathologist. You know, I've I've seen
54:36injuries over the years, but I'm by no
54:38means an expert. The bruising to me is
54:40interesting. There's a lot of bruising
54:42on her body. You can see it on her
54:43forearms and on like her elbow area
54:45there. To me, guys, this the the the
54:48injuries, they're more significant than
54:49I thought. I will acknowledge. I will
54:51admit that. But to me, all of these
54:54injuries could be self-inflicted. Now,
54:56could they be during a struggle?
54:57Absolutely. But then in that way, I
54:59would go back to what I just said at the
55:00beginning of this
55:01episode. I don't want you to do it. You
55:04can take my word for it, but if you have
55:06the stomach for it and you really want
55:08to get to the truth here, go look at
55:10Damon and Devon's injuries and compare
55:12them to hers and you tell me if they're
55:15consistent. I'll leave it at that. Would
55:18you say that some of the bruising is
55:21around the knife wounds? some of it, but
55:24I think you can see a couple photos
55:25there. There's one like in that forearm
55:27area there that's on the opposite side.
55:29Yeah. I mean, the the bruising is
55:31difficult to to think it's
55:33self-inflicted, but Well, I remember a
55:35case. That's why I asked. Yeah. Um I
55:37remember a case and I cannot remember
55:40who the the name of the person was, but
55:42they had inflicted the knife wounds on
55:45themselves, but they had worn many
55:48layers of clothing or thick clothing or
55:50something. And because of that, it
55:52caused compression of the surrounding
55:53tissue, which led to bruising because
55:55they didn't want they were trying to
55:56make it look like they'd been attacked,
55:58but they didn't want to feel the pain.
56:00So, they wore like I I think it was a
56:02thick sweater and like several layers of
56:04of shirt and then cut through that. And
56:06because of the compression of the
56:08surrounding tissue, it ended up like
56:10bruising a lot around the knife wounds,
56:12a lot more than it normally would have.
56:14To add to that, I just had my surgery
56:16that the incision site is a certain
56:18area, but I had told you, you know, as
56:20we as we do talk, I was bruised from the
56:23waist down to areas that were not
56:26operated on. And that that can happen,
56:28but yeah, there's some injuries there
56:30that I I wish I had been there to
56:32witness personally, and these photos
56:34aren't the best. But I I would say that
56:36if you're willing to stab yourself or
56:37cut yourself, you could also really
56:39squeeze and scrape up your arm to create
56:41some bruising beforehand if you're doing
56:44it yourself. Uh so I'm looking forward
56:47to hearing your opinions on this. But
56:50no, regardless of where you fall, I just
56:52will always have the question of why why
56:54aren't her injuries more lethal in
56:56nature? The the one across the neck and
56:58chest area, if you specifically focus on
57:00that one for a second, it's a swipe. You
57:02can see that that's one continuous cut
57:05because the the pattern it doesn't look
57:07like two different swipes. It doesn't
57:08look like jabs. It looks like a swipe
57:11across the neck. And I know we all watch
57:13TV shows and movies and there slashing.
57:15That doesn't look like a slit across the
57:17throat to me. That looks like someone in
57:19a downward angle slicing themsel. That's
57:23what it looks like to me. This was the
57:25most concerning injury to to the doctors
57:28and it was the neck wound. And Dr.
57:31Alejandro Santos determined that
57:33exploratory surgery was needed to
57:36evaluate the extent of the damage. There
57:38was too much blood to determine how deep
57:40the wound was or whether it had damaged
57:42either of the corateed arteries which
57:44are major blood vessels located on both
57:46sides of the neck. Right? So they do
57:49this surgery and I don't think that she
57:51expected this because once they were in
57:53surgery doctors discovered that the neck
57:55wound was in their words superficial.
57:58The knife had cut through the skin and
58:00fat and just barely nicked the
58:02underlying muscle but had not penetrated
58:05it. The wound extended to but did not go
58:07through a corateed sheath, the
58:09protective layer that surrounds the
58:11corateed artery. Darly was 2 millime
58:13away from having that artery sliced. If
58:16it had been hit, she could have bled out
58:18in minutes without immediate medical
58:19help. So, could have gotten extremely
58:22lucky either way, whether it was from an
58:25offender herself. She might have came
58:26close to killing herself just from
58:29trying to create this this illusion if
58:30that's what happened. But or during the
58:33attack as this offender's slicing
58:35across, they missed. But I know I've
58:38said it 17 times. We don't know who the
58:40offender is. We only know based on Damon
58:42and Devin their kind of approach, right?
58:45Their MO. And it looks like they were
58:47more into the punching and jabbing and
58:49stabbing than they were slicing. And
58:52we're to believe that those happened
58:54before she woke up. So to you what you
58:57said earlier, this offender stabs them
59:00directly multiple times, but with her,
59:04they change it up and decide to slice.
59:06It just doesn't make sense to me. If
59:09you're going to kill someone, you're
59:10going to plunge the knife into them and
59:12ensure that you hit a vital organ. This
59:15is a complete deviation from what we see
59:18on Damon and Devon. And to me,
59:20regardless of the significance of the
59:22injuries themselves, they don't align
59:24with the injuries to Damon and Devon,
59:26which would suggest that the person who
59:28stabbed them didn't stab her or there
59:31are two offenders and she has never
59:34suggested that. Yes. Even though she
59:36said they said they, she's asking nurse
59:38Jod like, can I have pain medication and
59:40why would they do this to my boys? Yeah,
59:41it's just it doesn't align for me. But I
59:43do acknowledge the injuries are more
59:45significant than I originally thought at
59:47before seeing them. But the doctors did
59:49still say they were superficial. Yeah.
59:52Right. They barely nicked the muscle. Y.
59:55So why would somebody who intended to
59:57kill you and had, you know, apparently
59:59had no issue doing that and knew exactly
1:00:02what to do to do that. Why would all of
1:00:04a sudden he just be like, "Let me give
1:00:05you a little slash across the neck."
1:00:07There's one knife wound, one stab wound,
1:00:09but if you notice it's near no vital
1:00:11organs. None. Exactly. And that's
1:00:13important. And over the years, some
1:00:15people have tried to explain why the
1:00:17neck wound appeared more superficial
1:00:19than expected. In 2015, CNN covered
1:00:22Darly's case in an episode of Death Row
1:00:24Stories. And according to the show,
1:00:26quote, "The necklace Darly had been
1:00:27wearing at the time of the attack was so
1:00:29deeply embedded in her throat that it
1:00:31had to be surgically removed, but it
1:00:33also saved her life, stopping the knife
1:00:35less than 2 mm from her corroted
1:00:38artery." End quote. Now, photos of the
1:00:40necklace do show what appear to be nick
1:00:42marks. However, nurse Jod later disputed
1:00:45CNN's version of events. He said he was
1:00:47the one who removed Darly's necklace
1:00:49before she was taken to surgery and that
1:00:51it certainly had not been embedded in
1:00:54her neck. In his words, quote, "When the
1:00:56technicians pulled the dressing off the
1:00:58wound on her neck, a chain was freed
1:01:00around her neck." End quote. Jod said
1:01:03the necklace had been under the dressing
1:01:05applied by the paramedics and that it
1:01:07was unattached. He didn't even have to
1:01:09undo the clasp to remove it. Right. And
1:01:11you have Why would these people Why
1:01:13would all these people lie about it?
1:01:15That's exactly what I was thinking. So
1:01:16now we got the police and nurse Jod.
1:01:18He's in on this, right? Exactly. What is
1:01:20his motive to be in on this? What's his
1:01:22bias? No, more than likely they're just
1:01:24telling what they saw. In the operating
1:01:26room, the medical team thoroughly
1:01:28examined the rest of Darly's injuries
1:01:30and came to believe that all of her
1:01:32wounds were superficial. None had struck
1:01:34any vital organs or caused significant
1:01:36internal damage, unlike the wounds her
1:01:39sons had suffered. Dr. Alejandro Santos
1:01:42later testified that the stab wound to
1:01:44Darly shoulder had gone through the skin
1:01:45and into the fat, stopping once it
1:01:47reached the muscle. One of the wounds on
1:01:49her right forearm also reached the
1:01:51muscle and bone, but did not fracture
1:01:53it. The second wound on that arm was
1:01:55just a surface nick and didn't require
1:01:57stitches. According to Dr. Santos,
1:01:59neither wound on her forearm appeared to
1:02:01be defensive in nature. He explained
1:02:03that defensive wounds usually involve
1:02:05multiple horizontal cuts across the
1:02:07underside of the forearm. Injuries
1:02:09commonly seen when someone raises their
1:02:11arms to protect themselves. He said it a
1:02:13lot more eloquently than me. I'm not
1:02:15going to repeat myself. I'm in
1:02:17agreeance. The injuries are not
1:02:18consistent with what we see with Damon
1:02:20and Devon. That's my biggest gripe. And
1:02:22apparently, according to the doctor, not
1:02:24consistent with defensive wounds either.
1:02:26Defensive wounds or or anything
1:02:29substantial. It it looks bad in the
1:02:30pictures, but they're all superficial.
1:02:32His words, not mine. Well, Darly also
1:02:35had cuts across her left fingers and
1:02:37thumb on the palm side. And so, when a
1:02:39nurse named Paige asked how she had got
1:02:41them, Darly said, quote, "This is where
1:02:43I tried to grab the knife." End quote.
1:02:46So, Darly is suggesting that there
1:02:48should be defensive wounds because she
1:02:50fought back. But the nurse, Paige,
1:02:52didn't find the injuries consistent with
1:02:54that account, and she later testified,
1:02:56quote, "They looked like paper cuts to
1:02:57me. they were scabbed over and just on
1:03:00the surface. End quote. Dr. Santos
1:03:02agreed and he said those types of cuts
1:03:05were not what he would classify as
1:03:07defensive wounds. In his words, quote,
1:03:09"Usually they would be larger and
1:03:11deeper. Normally, you would see puncture
1:03:13wounds to the hands, to the palm, and to
1:03:16the fingers, and they would be deeper
1:03:17wounds if someone is trying to stab
1:03:19you." End quote. And this makes sense
1:03:20because a defensive wound is going to be
1:03:22you trying to protect yourself from the
1:03:23stabs of this person. And this person
1:03:25isn't going to go easier on you because
1:03:27you're defending yourself. They're not
1:03:28going to be like, "Oh, I'm going to stab
1:03:30and slice lighter because she's
1:03:32defending herself." You're going to see
1:03:34the same force being exerted upon your
1:03:37defensive posture, whether it's your
1:03:38forearm or your hand, that you would see
1:03:40to the rest of the body. Yeah. And if
1:03:42you think about how hard you would grip
1:03:44that knife in that moment of fighting
1:03:46for your life, it would not be paper
1:03:49cuts. It might it might cut off your
1:03:51fingers. Yes. Absolutely. Depending on
1:03:53how sharp the knife was. Yes.
1:03:54Absolutely. If it's a sharp knife and
1:03:56you're gripping that knife and it's
1:03:57sliding through your hand, you're going
1:04:00to have long-term damage in your hand.
1:04:02So, after Darly came out of surgery
1:04:04around 5:00 a.m., she was transferred to
1:04:07the ICU. Dr. Santos testified that her
1:04:09wounds didn't warrant intensive care
1:04:11from a medical standpoint, but he felt
1:04:13it was the best place for her. He was
1:04:16concerned about how she would react once
1:04:18she learned that Devon and Damon had
1:04:20died, and he didn't realize that she
1:04:22already knew that. He also worried that
1:04:25the media might disrupt her recovery,
1:04:27and he believed that the ICU would
1:04:29provide a more secure, controlled
1:04:30environment. Nurse Chris was assigned to
1:04:33care for Darly once she arrived in the
1:04:34ICU. He helped her get settled in the
1:04:37room and without any prompting she asked
1:04:39quote, "How could anyone do this to my
1:04:41children?" End quote. Throughout his
1:04:43time with her, she repeated the question
1:04:45several times. At one point, she said
1:04:47she had picked up the knife after the
1:04:49intruder dropped it and expressed
1:04:50concern that her fingerprints might have
1:04:52obscured the intruder's fingerprints.
1:04:55She questioned whether she should have
1:04:57touched it at all. Again, Chris didn't
1:04:59ask. Darly just volunteered the
1:05:01information. Chris said she eventually
1:05:03asked for pain medication, but he knew
1:05:05that police were planning to question
1:05:07her, so he initially told her no. When
1:05:09she asked again, she rated her pain as
1:05:12three out of five. So Chris gave her
1:05:13what he described as a very small dose
1:05:16of demoral and fener. So Chris was
1:05:18right. Detectives did want to interview
1:05:20Darly, but first they met with Darren,
1:05:22her husband, at the crime scene to get
1:05:24his version of events. According to
1:05:26detective Jimmy Patterson, Darren
1:05:28explained that Darly and the boys had
1:05:30fallen asleep downstairs while watching
1:05:32TV, and he and Drake had gone up to bed
1:05:34sometime after 1 or 1:30 a.m. He awoke
1:05:38to Darly screaming, and he ran down the
1:05:40stairs only to find Devon and Damon
1:05:42wounded in the family room. Patterson
1:05:45also asked about Darren's clothing,
1:05:47especially his jeans, which had blood on
1:05:49them and had a tear along one leg.
1:05:51Darren said the jeans had been ripped at
1:05:53work prior to the murders and that the
1:05:55blood had gotten on them when he knelt
1:05:57down to help Devon. He was also wearing
1:05:59a white t-shirt, which he said a
1:06:01neighbor had given him after the fact. I
1:06:04find it weird that Darren's wearing
1:06:06jeans when he went up to bed. Am I the
1:06:09only one that doesn't understand ever
1:06:11sleeping in jeans? I just don't see this
1:06:14as an option. I I've been guilty of it.
1:06:16And let me just go back a few years when
1:06:18our beautiful babies were still infants
1:06:21and maybe you didn't give me the chance
1:06:23to take a shower and you're still in
1:06:25your clothes from work that day and you
1:06:27fall asleep because you're just
1:06:29exhausted. This might not have been the
1:06:31norm for him, but maybe on that
1:06:33particular night he fell asleep in jeans
1:06:35because he was struggling to put Drake
1:06:37down. And when he finally did do that,
1:06:39he was he was still he was still in his
1:06:42work clothes for the day. That could be
1:06:44an explanation for it. Yeah, I guess it
1:06:46just feels like these people are super
1:06:47bougie and I don't see you just passing
1:06:49out in like your nice bed on your nice
1:06:51linens with your dirty work clothes that
1:06:53you wore all day. Like at least you'd
1:06:54strip them off and fall asleep in your
1:06:55boxers or something. I mean, in defense
1:06:56of Darly and Darren, it seems like on
1:06:59this particular night, I don't know if
1:07:00it was the norm, but it seems like
1:07:01everybody kind of was out of their
1:07:03normal routine. The boys weren't in bed.
1:07:05Darly was on the couch. He was Darren
1:07:08was upstairs with Drake. It seems like
1:07:09maybe two parents, if we're just looking
1:07:11it on the surface without all this
1:07:13context, just two parents trying to get
1:07:15through the night with three kids, young
1:07:17kids, you know, we've all been there.
1:07:18But why are the older kids not upstairs
1:07:21in bed? Like, if you've got to be up
1:07:23with a crying baby, why would you keep
1:07:25your younger kids up with a crying baby?
1:07:26Why would you put them upstairs and
1:07:28sleep and then bring the baby downstairs
1:07:29so as not to disrupt the older kids that
1:07:31are sleeping? Why are they all
1:07:32downstairs until 1:30 in the morning? It
1:07:34sounds to me from what I was seeing from
1:07:36the comments that this was something
1:07:38that they would do movie nights. Maybe
1:07:40their rationale was a little different.
1:07:42Maybe they were like, "Okay, we're going
1:07:43to sit downstairs with the two boys. I'm
1:07:45going to sit downstairs with the boys
1:07:46and watch a movie and they'll maybe fall
1:07:48asleep and you go upstairs with Drake
1:07:51and that way the baby's not crying and
1:07:53keeping them up." I don't know. I don't
1:07:54know. Maybe Drake liked being upstairs
1:07:55in a certain position more. I will tell
1:07:58you the this area as far as the pattern
1:08:00of behavior or the reasoning behind
1:08:02where they were in the house. I'm less
1:08:04focused on that. That's why I like to
1:08:06really focus on the crime scene and the
1:08:07evidence because to me that's so much
1:08:09more compelling. I think there's a
1:08:11conversation to be had about this and I
1:08:13I guarantee you that people will be on
1:08:16both sides of the aisle when it comes to
1:08:18this because we all have different
1:08:19approaches to parenting. So, I think we
1:08:21got to discuss it. But for me, it's not
1:08:22I'm not hung up on it. I don't I'm not
1:08:24hung up on it unless this wasn't the
1:08:26norm. Unless this was not a thing that
1:08:28happened regularly because I did see
1:08:30some comments about movie night. Movie
1:08:32night with the three young kids like
1:08:34this is not going till 1:30 in the
1:08:36morning. And if you have a crying baby,
1:08:37you want to keep that baby as far away
1:08:38from your other two kids so they they
1:08:40can sleep. I don't know. But if you're
1:08:42in the camp of Darly didn't do this.
1:08:44There's there's a case to be made that
1:08:47this happened around 1:30, but they were
1:08:49asleep much sooner than that. They could
1:08:51have been said he went upstairs between
1:08:521 and 1:30 and they were still awake. Is
1:08:55that what he said? He didn't say whether
1:08:56they were still awake. Yeah, that's my
1:08:58point. Like, did they fall asleep? You
1:08:59see how I can kind of like No, he said
1:09:01he said that Darly and the boys had
1:09:03fallen asleep downstairs while watching
1:09:04TV and then he and Drake had gone up to
1:09:07bed around 1:30 after 1 or 1:30. But did
1:09:10they fall asleep around 1:00 and then
1:09:13you went upstairs or did they fall
1:09:14asleep an hour earlier and then you went
1:09:16upstairs? And why would you take so long
1:09:18to go upstairs? I'm with you that. But
1:09:19you see what I'm saying? How we can pick
1:09:20it apart? Yeah. If we were there, we
1:09:23could say, "Oh, they actually fell
1:09:25asleep around 10:30. He fell asleep,
1:09:26too." And then he went upstairs around
1:09:271:00. And you would be like, "Okay, that
1:09:29makes a little bit when he's falling
1:09:30asleep." Yeah. You know, but you don't
1:09:32we don't know. And that's why I'm not
1:09:34We'll never truly know. And that's why
1:09:36I'm not fixated on it. And I'm not
1:09:38saying you are, but I'm just saying
1:09:39that's why I love the photos. I love the
1:09:42actual evidence that's was was seized at
1:09:44the crime scene because that right there
1:09:47is going to tell you the story. That
1:09:48right there is going to it's impartial.
1:09:50So it's unbiased, it's objective, and
1:09:52it's going to as much as it can be
1:09:54without being altered, right? Even if it
1:09:56was altered, that also tells you a
1:09:58story. Like the absence of evidence
1:10:00tells you a story. So for me, that's
1:10:02what I really am gravitating towards. To
1:10:04me, it's it's important for the point of
1:10:06if this was a setup, it would make the
1:10:08most sense for Darly and the two boys,
1:10:10the ones who are getting stabbed, to be
1:10:12downstairs and Darren and the baby to be
1:10:14somewhere completely else in the house.
1:10:18That would make sense. And so if it
1:10:19wasn't, that would make the most sense
1:10:21for it to go off without a hitch, right?
1:10:22Because if they're all upstairs sleeping
1:10:24and they're trying to pose this as a
1:10:25home invasion and there was just
1:10:27somebody in the neighborhood looking to
1:10:28break into anyone's house and steal
1:10:30things, well then that person could have
1:10:32gone in in the the first floor, taken
1:10:33the jewelry, taken the purse, and gone
1:10:35out and nobody would have gotten hurt.
1:10:36Why would he continue to go upstairs and
1:10:38then stab people? And why would he only
1:10:40stab some of them and not all of them?
1:10:42And so you're gearing towards
1:10:43premeditation. So I'm gearing towards
1:10:44premeditation. Why was this the way that
1:10:47the people and the members of that
1:10:49household were set up on this night or
1:10:51or not premed maybe premeditation as far
1:10:53as wanting to do this and this situation
1:10:55working out where it can be done well
1:10:57making the situation work out so that it
1:10:59can we're going to be downstairs
1:11:00tonight. Yeah. Yep. So, we're going to
1:11:02take our last break and we'll be right
1:11:03back.
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1:13:22we are back. So, Detective Patterson
1:13:25asked Darren to remove his shirt, and
1:13:27Patterson observed blood on Darren's
1:13:30stomach and bare feet. At first, Darren
1:13:33said he thought he had cut his foot, but
1:13:35after checking more closely, he realized
1:13:37the blood wasn't his. He hadn't been
1:13:39injured. He gave detectives permission
1:13:41to collect his jeans and underwear, and
1:13:43a crime scene officer was called in to
1:13:45take custody of the clothing. Patterson
1:13:47described Darren's emotional state as
1:13:49mixed. He said Darren cried a little,
1:13:51then stopped and became calm and even
1:13:53laughed a few times. Still, Patterson
1:13:55believed his behavior was appropriate
1:13:57given the circumstances. Next, Detective
1:14:00Patterson and another detective, Chris
1:14:03Frost, went to the hospital to interview
1:14:05Darly, take photographs of her injuries,
1:14:07and collect evidence. They arrived just
1:14:09after 6:00 a.m. and found Darly in what
1:14:11Patterson described as a somewhat upset
1:14:14state. He asked whether she was feeling
1:14:16up to speaking, and she said yes. The
1:14:19detectives asked whether Darly and
1:14:20Darren had gotten into any arguments the
1:14:22night before, and Darly said they had,
1:14:24but described it as a minor
1:14:26disagreement. She told them that after
1:14:28the boys fell asleep in the family room,
1:14:30she and Darren sat together in the
1:14:31family room to talk mostly about their
1:14:33finances, and the conversation ended on
1:14:35good terms. They kissed, told each other
1:14:38they loved one another, and then Darren
1:14:40took Drake upstairs while she stayed on
1:14:42the couch. But hey, this is not what
1:14:44Darren described. Darren told Patterson,
1:14:47the detective, I went upstairs after
1:14:49Darly and the boys fell asleep. And then
1:14:51I took the the baby upstairs after Darly
1:14:55and the boys fell asleep. And she's
1:14:56saying the boys fell asleep, and then
1:14:58she and Darren had a conversation that
1:15:00included their finances, which maybe got
1:15:02a bit testy, but ended well. Then they
1:15:03kissed each other, said good night, and
1:15:05then Darren took the baby upstairs. So,
1:15:07there's some inconsistencies there. Yes.
1:15:09Okay. Okay. Darly said she woke up to
1:15:12find an intruder standing over her with
1:15:14a knife. And at first, she didn't
1:15:16realize she'd been cut. She told the
1:15:18detectives that a struggle followed. She
1:15:20used her arms to fight him off and then
1:15:22watched as he backed away and walked
1:15:24towards the utility room. So, even
1:15:26earlier what we said, Derek, where she
1:15:27said she only saw him from behind and
1:15:29then we were like, well, maybe she saw
1:15:30him for a split second when she woke up.
1:15:32Now, Darly's telling the police she's
1:15:34fighting hand-to-hand combat with this
1:15:36man. Yep. There's two things
1:15:37acknowledging there. she was injured or
1:15:39stabbed before she even woke up, which
1:15:40goes to my point of how does this
1:15:43offender miss if his intention is to
1:15:44kill her, which clearly it would be
1:15:46based on what he just did to the kids.
1:15:48How does he miss? How does he go why
1:15:50does he switch up his his MO as far as
1:15:53what's what he's actually doing in that
1:15:55moment? Why does he go to a swiping
1:15:56motion, a slicing motion from stabbing?
1:15:59Yeah, like he's just playing with her
1:16:00like I wonder if I can get her to wake
1:16:01up by st like by slashing her with a
1:16:03knife. that first stab or that first
1:16:06injury, she's completely still and not
1:16:10fighting back. Think about that. How do
1:16:13you miss? How do you miss? And then
1:16:16also, like you said, she acknowledged
1:16:17she's looking directly at him. Yeah. And
1:16:19I didn't even realize I'd been stabbed.
1:16:21Yeah. Well, that that I can understand
1:16:23the shock of it, right? The shock of it.
1:16:25You may not feel the injury at that
1:16:26moment, especially if nerves are
1:16:27severed. You'd feel blood, you'd feel
1:16:29warmth, you'd feel something out of out
1:16:31of the ordinary. I I am never going to
1:16:33get past the fact that those injuries
1:16:35are that superficial when she's a easy
1:16:39target. I hate to describe it like that,
1:16:40but she's an easy target that How many
1:16:42of you would miss? She's a sitting duck
1:16:45literally. So I I I don't understand it.
1:16:47Okay. So now she the offender cuz she's
1:16:50fighting him off and he's like, "Oh, I
1:16:51can't I can't I can't fight this woman.
1:16:54I can't over she's overpowering me."
1:16:56She's laying there on the couch and
1:16:57she's just holding her hands up and I
1:16:59can't stab her now. He backs up and he
1:17:02he escaped, right? So, he's backing up
1:17:05towards the utility room. Darly said she
1:17:07chased him into the garage where he
1:17:10escaped. Once again, why is her blood
1:17:12trailing through the kitchen, trailing
1:17:13through the utility room, but not found
1:17:16in the garage if she chased him into the
1:17:17garage? Now, in the utility room, she
1:17:19said she noticed a knife on the floor,
1:17:21and that's when she realized she was
1:17:23bleeding. So, she picked up the knife
1:17:25and placed it on the kitchen bar. She
1:17:27mentioned to the detectives that her
1:17:29fingerprints would be on it. She then
1:17:31said she screamed for Darren and called
1:17:33911. It just it doesn't does not add up.
1:17:37The math's not mapping. So, as the
1:17:40interview continued, detectives asked
1:17:41Darly a series of questions to help
1:17:43build a description of the intruder. She
1:17:45couldn't describe his face, but she knew
1:17:47he was wearing a black cap with the bill
1:17:49facing forward, though she didn't see
1:17:51anything printed on it. His hair was
1:17:53straight, dark brown, and shoulder
1:17:55length, and he wore a black
1:17:56short-sleeved t-shirt with no visible
1:17:58design or writing. She didn't recall
1:18:00whether he wore a belt, and she said he
1:18:02had on blue jeans, although she didn't
1:18:04see any brand markings. She couldn't
1:18:06remember anything about his shoes,
1:18:08socks, or any possible tattoos, or
1:18:10scars. When asked about the man's height
1:18:12and weight, Darly looked at Detective
1:18:13Froch and said about his size. Frost
1:18:17estimated to be around 6'2 or 63. And
1:18:20for context, Darly's about 52. Very
1:18:23tiny, tiny woman here. You know, she's
1:18:26very descriptive about clothing. And I
1:18:28would wonder if the question was ever
1:18:30posed to her, did she see the individual
1:18:34covering their hands with gloves or or
1:18:37socks? Because when you go back to that
1:18:39sock you saw earlier, I was asking
1:18:41myself, why would the the
1:18:45perpetrator grab a sock out of the sock
1:18:47pile for any reason? if they came in
1:18:48through the garage, what would they grab
1:18:50it for? And the only thing that I could
1:18:52come up with was they didn't bring
1:18:54gloves for some reason and they decided
1:18:56to grab a pair of socks to cover their
1:18:58hands so to maybe leave less trace
1:19:00evidence. Right. But then at that point
1:19:02to me, her being that close and being
1:19:05fixated and have tunnel vision on those
1:19:07on the knife, if he was wearing socks or
1:19:10some type of gloves, she would say,
1:19:11"Yeah, it was weird. He was wearing
1:19:12white tube socks or whatever they were
1:19:14on his hands when we when we were
1:19:17fighting over the knife. That would be
1:19:19something that you would remember, but I
1:19:21don't believe she ever accounted for
1:19:23anything like that happening. Which goes
1:19:25back to the point of if the offender did
1:19:27grab the sock, why did they grab it?
1:19:30Why? Or did it like get attached to him?
1:19:32Maybe. Yeah. How would it get attached
1:19:33and not fall off before then? Attached.
1:19:35Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Long.
1:19:37Yeah, they had it for a reason. And it
1:19:38had blood on it. And I definitely think
1:19:41she would have noticed if the offender
1:19:42was attacking her with a white tube sock
1:19:44on his hand. That's what he's doing sock
1:19:46puppets over here. Yeah, exactly. I
1:19:48mean, I think you would remember that.
1:19:49It would almost be the only thing I'd
1:19:50remember. I mean, they didn't grab it
1:19:51after the fact to wipe off the knife.
1:19:53So, it doesn't make sense to me. And I
1:19:55remember when she was first questioned,
1:19:57she could not describe this person at
1:19:58all, by the way. Remember? Yeah. She
1:20:00could not at all. She couldn't tell
1:20:02whether he was white or black. Didn't
1:20:04know nothing. And now all of a sudden,
1:20:05she's got his baseball cap, his shirt,
1:20:08his hair. It's brown. It's straight.
1:20:10It's shoulder length. Um the way the
1:20:12bill of his cap was facing. Um you know,
1:20:15things like that. Now she's got this
1:20:17very, I would say, vivid detail
1:20:18considering what she was going through
1:20:20at that time. So is it coming back to
1:20:22her as more time passes, which that can
1:20:24be that can happen sometimes. For sure.
1:20:26Sure. So, and then she even knows, you
1:20:28know, he's about his size, 6'2, 63,
1:20:31which let's be honest here, most men are
1:20:34not 6'2, 63. You're really, this is not
1:20:37the average height of a man. You're
1:20:39narrowing down the the the suspect pool
1:20:41here quite a bit. I'm 6'1. Everyone
1:20:43thinks after the show that I'm 5'5.
1:20:47Yeah. I thought you were like 6'4 when I
1:20:48met you in person cuz you're like a foot
1:20:50taller than me it feels like. But I
1:20:51think everyone's like, I can't believe
1:20:52Derek's tall. Most people are not that
1:20:55tall. Most men are not that tall. So now
1:20:57you're really narrowing it down. Yes,
1:20:59I'm sure they are. Sorry, too. So
1:21:01Patterson later testified that Darly did
1:21:03not cry during the conversation and she
1:21:05only mentioned the boys briefly, saying
1:21:07they had been stabbed. She did however
1:21:09describe the jewelry she had taken off
1:21:11and left on the kitchen counter in
1:21:12detail. Detectives left the hospital
1:21:14after speaking with Darly, but it
1:21:16wouldn't be the last time they had
1:21:17questions for her. At the request of
1:21:20investigators, medical examiner Dr.
1:21:22Janice Towns and Parchman visited the
1:21:24hospital to examine and photograph
1:21:26Darly's injuries. After completing her
1:21:28evaluation, Dr. Towns and Parchment
1:21:30concluded that all of Darly's wounds
1:21:32were relatively superficial. She said
1:21:35they didn't go very deep into her body
1:21:36and didn't strike any vital structures.
1:21:39She also didn't believe that the
1:21:40injuries were defensive in nature.
1:21:42During her later testimony, Dr. Towns
1:21:44and Parchman said, quote, "The most
1:21:46common thing I see in defensive wounds
1:21:48of the hand is deep insized wounds."
1:21:50Now, I'm talking about deep insized
1:21:53wounds. Must go all the way through the
1:21:55skin into the subcutaneous tissue on the
1:21:57fingers and palms. sometimes going
1:21:59through the tendons or all the way to
1:22:01the bone." End quote. When asked
1:22:04straight out whether Darly's wounds
1:22:05could have been self-inflicted, Dr.
1:22:07Towns and Parchment said it was
1:22:09possible, but also possible that someone
1:22:12else had inflicted them. But Dr. Towns
1:22:14and Parchment is saying this very
1:22:16carefully. She's saying she has to.
1:22:18These are not defensive wounds. Now, so
1:22:21when she says it could have been Darly
1:22:22or it could have been someone else,
1:22:24she's not saying someone could have
1:22:26attacked Darly and these were defensive
1:22:27wounds. She's saying somebody else could
1:22:29have made these superficial wounds on
1:22:30Darly. Somebody else was involved in the
1:22:32plot. Someone else was involved in the
1:22:33plot. Yes. So, Darly stayed in the
1:22:36hospital for the next two days. And
1:22:37during that time, several members of the
1:22:39medical staff noted what they described
1:22:41as a flat effect. They were surprised by
1:22:44this, especially because Darly was no
1:22:46longer under anesthesia and the pain
1:22:48medication she had been given could make
1:22:50someone drowsy, but wouldn't typically
1:22:52cause emotional detachment. In their
1:22:55experience, most mothers became
1:22:57hysterical upon learning that their
1:22:59children had died. But that didn't
1:23:00happen with Darly. And I've thought this
1:23:02way multiple times. And I'm always super
1:23:04careful with this because I do know that
1:23:06certain people react differently in
1:23:08certain scenarios. But there is going to
1:23:10come a point when the shock wears off
1:23:12and you realize what what what has
1:23:16happened and what you're what you've
1:23:18lost where you're going to have
1:23:20something of a mental break, I think,
1:23:22right? like at some point this is going
1:23:24to happen. And with Darly, it just never
1:23:26did. She never seemed to react
1:23:29emotionally to the brutal murders of her
1:23:32sons, right? This isn't even like your
1:23:34sons were in a car accident. It was, you
1:23:36know, it was an accident. Somebody
1:23:38brutally stabbed your sons while you
1:23:40slept. That's going to cause a a
1:23:42reaction at some point. You would think,
1:23:44and maybe that wasn't witnessed, but no,
1:23:46I'm with you. And we've talked about
1:23:47this at length. Everyone reacts to
1:23:49trauma differently and there's no
1:23:51standard for it. And in some instances,
1:23:54the per the person is absolutely
1:23:55innocent of any wrongdoing and yet
1:23:57doesn't show emotion ever in front of
1:23:59people and it's just the way they are.
1:24:00And in that case, people are like, "Wow,
1:24:01they're so strong and stoic and put
1:24:04together." But with this with what we
1:24:06have here with Darly and the questions
1:24:08around the actual crime itself, yeah,
1:24:10with no reaction, no emotion, it's going
1:24:12to raise some eyebrows and
1:24:13understandably so. This is not the case
1:24:15that you want to be non-reactionary.
1:24:18This is not the case where you want to
1:24:19be non-emotional because unfortunately
1:24:21it makes you look guilty amongst other
1:24:23things. I just don't I don't see how you
1:24:25would have a choice that at some point
1:24:26this emotional dam would break. Yeah,
1:24:27you would you would think so. I think
1:24:29for most people it would. Yeah, you're
1:24:30not wrong. But there are there are
1:24:32outliers. So multiple staff members who
1:24:35spent these days with Darly said they
1:24:37had never seen a reaction like hers. And
1:24:40another concern raised by staff was the
1:24:42way Darly's account of the night seemed
1:24:44to shift slightly over time. Her
1:24:46conversations with nurses as well as
1:24:48comments overheard during visits from
1:24:50family and friends varied enough to draw
1:24:52attention. These evolving accounts were
1:24:54interpreted by some as a sign of
1:24:56deception or inconsistency. Others
1:24:59argued that trauma, blood loss,
1:25:00medication, and shock could have easily
1:25:02caused confusion, memory gaps, or
1:25:04variation in detail, especially so soon
1:25:07after a violent attack. One example of
1:25:10Darly's story shifts came from nurse
1:25:12Diane, who said Darly repeatedly
1:25:14mentioned seeing a car parked across the
1:25:16street the day before the murders. She
1:25:18told Diane the vehicle didn't look
1:25:19familiar and didn't seem like it
1:25:21belonged in the neighborhood. Darly said
1:25:23it gave her the feeling that someone was
1:25:24watching the house. She brought it up
1:25:26multiple times throughout the day to
1:25:28both hospital staff and visitors. Diane
1:25:30also recalled that when Darren was in
1:25:32the room, he would go over the night's
1:25:34events in an effort to make sense of
1:25:35what had happened. And during one of
1:25:37those conversations, he said, quote,
1:25:39"I'm positive I locked the window." End
1:25:41quote. Then either he or Darly suggested
1:25:44that the boys may have unlocked it the
1:25:46day before. According to Diane, Darly
1:25:49repeated her story about the intruder
1:25:50multiple times throughout the day. She
1:25:52later testified, quote, Darly always was
1:25:55bringing it up about the story of the
1:25:56intruder coming into the house or she
1:25:58had woken up with the intruder over the
1:26:00top of her. She felt pressure from him
1:26:02and she tried to fight him off and ran
1:26:04out the garage. That's the same type of
1:26:06story that she told me and the different
1:26:08people that came in throughout the day.
1:26:10I heard that story at least three times
1:26:12throughout the day. End quote.
1:26:14Eventually, Diane asked her to stop. She
1:26:17felt Darly needed rest and that
1:26:19continuing to focus on the details of
1:26:20the attack might do more harm than good.
1:26:23Darly's story shifted again during a
1:26:26conversation with another nurse, nurse
1:26:27Denise. This time, she said she woke up
1:26:30when Damon started crying. Then she felt
1:26:33pressure at her neck. A man was on top
1:26:35of her wrestling with her. She began
1:26:37yelling and the man ran off, hitting a
1:26:39wine rack and dropping the knife. Darly
1:26:42said she turned on the light and saw her
1:26:43two boys lying on the floor. There was
1:26:45blood everywhere. She screamed and
1:26:47Darren came downstairs and that's when
1:26:49she realized she had been stabbed. He
1:26:51started CPR and Darly called 911. Uh
1:26:54that's an entirely different story.
1:26:56That's not an inconsist that's an
1:26:57entirely different version of events.
1:27:00Yeah, she's not she's not being very
1:27:01consistent. And at this point, I would
1:27:03recommend to anybody who's unfortunately
1:27:05in something like this, the number one
1:27:08thing, whether you're innocent or
1:27:09guilty, would be not to say anything.
1:27:10Right? You're recovering. You're in
1:27:12shock. Your story is going to change
1:27:14over time, especially if you're
1:27:15medicated. So, don't say anything at
1:27:18all. But because when you do speak and
1:27:19your stories are inconsistent, if you're
1:27:22not guilty of anything, it looks bad.
1:27:23And if you are, you're only digging a
1:27:25deeper hole. So, if you're in the camp
1:27:27of Darly's guilty, then this to you is
1:27:29is confirmation that she This isn't even
1:27:31like a slight shift. Now, she said she
1:27:33woke up when demons started crying.
1:27:36Correct. Yeah. So, now she heard her
1:27:37sons. And remember, there's people in
1:27:38the comments last video being like, "Oh,
1:27:40no, no. Darly said she ran after the man
1:27:43cuz she didn't know her kids had been
1:27:44harmed." That's right. So, she knows at
1:27:46this point that the kids are injured or
1:27:47something's going wrong. Now, she may
1:27:49think they're just scared if you're in
1:27:50Darly's camp, but yeah, you're right.
1:27:52This is to your point, you know, your
1:27:55kids are under duress. Are you going to
1:27:57chase after someone when your kids need
1:27:59you? Yeah. But now she's also saying she
1:28:02yelled and that's why the man ran off.
1:28:04He hit the wine rack. Then he dropped
1:28:06the knife. She turned on the light and
1:28:08then she saw her two boys have been
1:28:09stabbed. She screamed for Darren and
1:28:11that's when she realized she'd been
1:28:12stabbed. Where before she told the
1:28:14police she realized she'd been stabbed
1:28:15when she chased the guy to the garage
1:28:16and saw she was bleeding. It's just a
1:28:18completely different story. Not even the
1:28:21same story at all. And her story changed
1:28:24again when she spoke to her aunt Sherry.
1:28:26According to Sherry, Darly initially
1:28:28seemed numb, but when they began
1:28:30actually discussing what happened, she
1:28:31started crying and was just in agony.
1:28:34Sherry described it as a very deep cry.
1:28:36And during their conversation, Darly
1:28:38told her what she remembered from that
1:28:39night. In Sherry's words, quote, "She
1:28:41had been sleeping downstairs with Devon
1:28:43and Damon, and Damon had nudged her
1:28:44awake, and she just saw this man
1:28:47leaving, and then she started to follow
1:28:48him, and she realized that the room she
1:28:50was in, the TV was on, and there was a
1:28:52little bit of light." But as she was
1:28:53getting further out into the kitchen
1:28:55near the utility room, it was darker,
1:28:56and she just stopped and thought he
1:28:58could still be there. I better not go
1:28:59any further. She wasn't even aware that
1:29:01she was wounded until she turned on the
1:29:02lights and she saw her boys." End quote.
1:29:05When asked if Darly gave a description
1:29:07of the intruder, Sher said, quote, "She
1:29:09just had a vague description of him that
1:29:10she didn't see him very well." End
1:29:12quote. Yeah, a lot of inconsistencies
1:29:15here. And a lot of lies, Derek. Lot of
1:29:17lies. Inconsistencies is the
1:29:20professional way of saying it. But if
1:29:22if you are involved, if you are the if
1:29:26Darly's the offender, then she knows
1:29:28what the crime scene looks like and
1:29:29what's going to be there. So, she can
1:29:31fit her story to fit that narrative. And
1:29:32even then, she's not doing a great job
1:29:34of it. So, this is a problem. It's a lot
1:29:37of her speaking and a lot of it not
1:29:39making sense and a lot of
1:29:41inconsistencies in her account of what
1:29:43happened that evening. And that's that's
1:29:45a problem for her. So, we got we got
1:29:47more
1:29:48inconsistencies/ lies. Darly's best
1:29:50friend, Barbara, who also visited her in
1:29:52the hospital, later testified of what
1:29:54Darly told her. Quote, "She told me that
1:29:56she heard Damon going, "Mommy, mommy."
1:29:58He leaned on her saying, "Mommy, mommy."
1:30:00and she felt pressure on her legs and
1:30:02she opened her eyes and the man was
1:30:04coming down straight with a knife at her
1:30:06throat and then if she didn't put her
1:30:07arm up he would have killed her. End
1:30:09quote. So how did he slash your neck? If
1:30:11you put your arm up and wh was that why
1:30:14it wasn't that deep the what? This
1:30:17doesn't make any sense. According to
1:30:18Barbara, Darly went into the kitchen to
1:30:20chase after the man and Damon followed
1:30:23her. Okay. Darly pushed him back and
1:30:26told him just wait for mommy. Barbara
1:30:29added. Then she went out to the garage
1:30:30and that's all she said. How is Damon
1:30:32following her into the kitchen? No. No.
1:30:35No. No. What? Not at that small of a
1:30:37body and those injuries. He's bleeding
1:30:39out within moments. And then she pushed
1:30:41him back and she doesn't realize he's
1:30:43gushing. Come on. Come on, man. And by
1:30:46the way, the crime scene doesn't tell
1:30:47that story because from what you're
1:30:49reporting, he he the drag it was more of
1:30:51a drag mark. Him drag him crawling away.
1:30:54He wasn't he wasn't upright and in the
1:30:56opposite direction. Yeah.
1:30:59So, no, no, no, no. A lying liar. By
1:31:03June 8th, Darly had been in the hospital
1:31:05for two days. According to multiple
1:31:07staff members, she continued to have a
1:31:09flat affect. Dr. Santos later testified
1:31:11that because of this, he was hesitant to
1:31:14discharge her. He worried she hadn't
1:31:16fully processed what had happened.
1:31:18Still, that day, Darly was released. She
1:31:20and Darren were supposed to go to the
1:31:22funeral home for the boy's viewing, but
1:31:24instead police met them at the hospital
1:31:26and brought them to the station for
1:31:28further questioning. And this is because
1:31:30the police are like, "Yo, something's
1:31:32wrong here. Something's not adding up.
1:31:34This doesn't make any sense." I think
1:31:37that Darly's demeanor, how it was
1:31:40described as being flat, maybe didn't
1:31:42come from her not processing, but maybe
1:31:45it came from a dissociation. a
1:31:47dissociation from what had happened
1:31:50because she was there. Because whether
1:31:53or not you were the one who did this,
1:31:55these are still your kids and there's
1:31:56going to be a certain level of, you
1:31:59know, something that's hard for you to
1:32:02continue living with. So, you split. You
1:32:04split off from what you did and kind of
1:32:07put that in a Pandora's box and you
1:32:09disassociate. And it really does seem
1:32:11like that's what happened because the
1:32:13medical staff is is describing Darly as
1:32:16completely like emotionally
1:32:18flat instead of having this reaction
1:32:21when she finally realizes that her sons
1:32:23are dead and they're never coming back.
1:32:25And she never has this yes hasn't
1:32:27processed it. But maybe it's because she
1:32:29didn't want to process it because what
1:32:32she had done was unprocessable. You know
1:32:35what I mean? It wasn't it wasn't a her
1:32:38her brain wasn't able to comprehend it
1:32:40or to sit with it and continue being
1:32:44this position where she's talking to
1:32:45people and trying to make herself look
1:32:47innocent. So she had to basically sever
1:32:49that part from her and put it in a box.
1:32:52So she wasn't expressing emotional
1:32:54feelings cuz she wasn't having them
1:32:56because she disassociated from them.
1:32:58Yeah, you're definitely trying to get
1:32:59into the mind of people, not my area of
1:33:02expertise. I lead this episode and I'm
1:33:04going to make it concise because we
1:33:05still have multiple parts to go. For me,
1:33:08as the detective here, I'm looking at
1:33:11the crime scene cleanup does appear to
1:33:13be something was done beforehand. I'm
1:33:15looking at the significance or lack
1:33:17thereof of the injuries and how they're
1:33:18not consistent with Damon and Devons.
1:33:21I'm also looking at that sock. That sock
1:33:23bothers me. I need to know more about
1:33:25it. Um, so where I am now and the
1:33:28questions I have moving
1:33:29forward when we look at what happened, I
1:33:33ask myself if it's if it's an outside
1:33:35party who's who's responsible for this,
1:33:38what was the motive? Was it financial in
1:33:41nature? Well, nothing was taken. Was it
1:33:43murder? Was it to send a message? Well,
1:33:44you only killed the two kids. You could
1:33:46have killed Darren. You could have
1:33:47killed Darly. You could have killed
1:33:49everyone and sent a real message. But
1:33:51instead, you must have known people were
1:33:53going to be there. Was the intent all
1:33:54along to just kill the two kids and get
1:33:56out and send a message that way? That
1:33:58doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So, I
1:34:00have that question. What would the
1:34:02motive be in this case? Because it
1:34:03doesn't seem like whatever it was, they
1:34:04carried it out. And the final area that
1:34:06I really want to dive into is we know
1:34:09the during and we know the after. And
1:34:10the during is according to the accounts
1:34:12we have, right? So, we don't truly know
1:34:14the during. When I say during, I mean
1:34:15the actual the actual crime. We know the
1:34:18after for sure. We're hearing from
1:34:19doctors and nurses, etc., first
1:34:21responders. I want to know the before
1:34:23and I know you've gotten into the before
1:34:25a little bit as far as the financial
1:34:26issues that they were having but I want
1:34:28to know more about Darly because we
1:34:30haven't talked about it a lot but we
1:34:33have had other cases
1:34:35where one of the parents in particular
1:34:38women are going through something and
1:34:41they kill their children for no reason
1:34:44like a postpartum depression a
1:34:45postpartum psychosis thing I don't I
1:34:47have you know whatever it might be but I
1:34:50would love to hear more from people who
1:34:52were close to her to see if there were
1:34:54any signs of something going on in her
1:34:56life where she was acting differently
1:34:58than she had before. From Darren, from
1:35:00her friends, from her family members,
1:35:02any reports of anything from a mental
1:35:04perspective, anything that we should be
1:35:06aware of because we keep trying to
1:35:09understand why she would do this. But if
1:35:12if if going through some type of mental
1:35:14duress, there may not be an an actual
1:35:16explanation. It could have been
1:35:17something much deeper than that. So that
1:35:20is also an area although at this point
1:35:22in after part two we have no indication
1:35:24of that. We wouldn't be doing our job if
1:35:26we didn't at least explore it. So as we
1:35:28go into part three next week those are
1:35:30areas that I'm focusing on but also
1:35:32still being very receptive to the
1:35:34additional evidence that's going to come
1:35:36forward because you've mentioned a lot
1:35:38but we don't even have the results from
1:35:39some of that stuff. Blood hair etc.
1:35:42There's a lot more of the story to tell
1:35:44and I'm look I'm going to need another
1:35:45notebook by the time this one's done.
1:35:48Yeah. And I I mean there's if you look
1:35:50at why people kill their children, there
1:35:53are reasons, right? There's reasons that
1:35:55they do it. Not reasons that would make
1:35:56sense to us, but sometimes it's for
1:35:59money. Sometimes it's because they think
1:36:01they're saving them from some, you know,
1:36:04horrible life. Like they've realized
1:36:05life is terrible and they want to save
1:36:07them from this. So they call it an
1:36:08altruistic motive. Sometimes it's to
1:36:10punish the other parent. So when you say
1:36:12what happened before, were there issues
1:36:14between Darly and Darren that went
1:36:16beyond financial? Were there issues of
1:36:19betrayal, infidelity, things like that?
1:36:21That's what we need to find out. That's
1:36:23what we need to talk about. And if there
1:36:25were, then that is a possible motive
1:36:28that she could have done it to punish
1:36:30her husband, to teach him a lesson. All
1:36:32right. Now, you got me wanting to do
1:36:33part three right now. You ready? Yes. I
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