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0:00I know certain Italians up north are
0:02obviously different looking than
0:03southern Italians. Are you going to be
0:05picky with northern or mainland Italians
0:08and mainland Greeks compared to other
0:09Greeks or is it just like your Greek you
0:11could be here, you're you're Italian
0:13could be because you say set a standard.
0:14>> Yeah. I feel like there are exceptions
0:16that you
0:17you're asking us to vocally say that
0:20we're prepared to take lives and that's
0:22just not something that we would ever
0:24say.
0:25>> I'm prepared to spank. I'm prepared to
0:26spank. I'll do a lot of spanking.
0:28>> Yeah, there's lots of lots of spankings.
0:30>> Yep.
0:30>> Banana bread, spankings, total
0:32Anglo-aggry, all of it.
0:34>> All right, let's proceed. Scotty, what's
0:36going on?
0:37Is that your name? What is what is your
0:38name?
0:39>> You could see boys, well my name's
0:40Dylan, but I usually go by your boy
0:43Scotty, but eventually someone will dox
0:45me.
0:46It's probably a [ __ ] one of these days,
0:47but
0:48usually the type, but All right, so I
0:51wanted to talk to you boys about your
0:52beliefs and I think you both are very
0:54optimistic and passionate about this
0:57project. However, why I don't see it
1:00going into fruition is for
1:02a variety of reasons. There are
1:03variables that get in the white man's
1:05way of a white America. So, the problem
1:08is with deporting non-whites. I look at
1:10the stats and I notice that whites are
1:12the largest demographic when it comes to
1:15adopted parents in the US.
1:17I even saw another stat and I'll show it
1:19a bit later
1:21how a lot of white people when they were
1:24asked their opinions of other races,
1:27they basically saw everyone as the same.
1:29Asians and blacks it was more scattered.
1:31Hispanics it was more scattered.
1:33A lot of white nationalists can't seem
1:35to come to agree on which groups are
1:37considered white and which groups aren't
1:38considered white.
1:40There are non-white people in America
1:42that are labeled as white
1:44and you could argue that certain
1:45European groups cluster with Levantine
1:46and non-white populations.
1:48So,
1:50the last but not least, the issue is of
1:52the liberal white woman.
1:54I'd argue a lot of women aren't willing
1:55to listen to a white man
1:58and a lot of white men and a lot of
1:59white women have this attitude about
2:02being white. So, for example, I could go
2:04on Omegle, I can go in real life,
2:07with my experiences with white people,
2:09they'll say, "Oh, I'm basic. I'm just
2:11white." What do you mean you're just
2:12white? You are Are you Germanic? Are you
2:14Hellenic? Um are you Baltic? Are you
2:17from a certain Slavic group? You don't
2:19seem to believe, and I'm not saying you,
2:20Tim, I'm saying for a lot of white
2:21people in America, they don't seem to
2:23believe that they have a culture. They
2:25don't have this nationalistic pride
2:28about themselves. They don't see being
2:30white as something to be proud of. And
2:33I'd argue a lot of white Americans lost
2:34touch with their European roots. So, I
2:36think this troubles you boys because a
2:38lot of white people have this idea of
2:41not seeing color. Now, obviously, race
2:43is not based on skin tone, it's based on
2:45genetic clusters, but it seems like a
2:47lot of white people aren't interested
2:49and fascinated and care enough to have
2:52pride in being white. So, what are your
2:55solutions or ideas to conquering these
2:57issues as white men that want uh the
3:00best for their people?
3:01>> Well, you point out a lot of the
3:02interesting observations. There's a lot
3:05there, so I guess we can kind of address
3:07them maybe one at a time.
3:09Um the first one is that it is not
3:12realistic, right? So, we hear this
3:14criticism often, and I understand where
3:16it's coming from. Goals that sound the
3:19most challenging will be scrutinized,
3:21especially if people scrutinizing them
3:23have something to gain by their failure.
3:26With that said,
3:27focusing on how difficult a goal is is
3:30never a useful strategy when actually
3:32trying to accomplish it. If I'm some guy
3:35who has a large goal like running a
3:36super marathon or getting elected as
3:38president, even if it's extremely
3:40unrealistic as a goal, it makes
3:42absolutely no sense to sit around and
3:44just discuss why it will be hard. If
3:47it's within the realm of physics, and
3:49it's conceivable, and it's possible, and
3:51we're serious about it, then we have to
3:53choose to live in the solution. And I
3:55believe that this is precisely what we
3:57are doing.
3:58Also, people who pose these objections,
4:01they act as if my brother and I will be
4:03the only people involved in the
4:05manifestation of these long-term goals.
4:07I recognize that what the future will
4:09demand from us requires a large number
4:13of competent white men that are
4:16ideologically aligned with the core
4:18values. And we don't have this yet.
4:20Right now, we have a very loud vocal
4:22minority who intellectually understand
4:24the situation, but 90% of them are just
4:27not actively involved. And this is why
4:31focusing on the challenges of a
4:34potentially decades-long struggle is
4:36useless right now. The first order of
4:38business is actually getting white men
4:40to organize and involve themselves.
4:42This is the first step, and it's all
4:44that really matters right now. Not
4:45policy, not economic theory, not even
4:48the logistics of a total re-migration.
4:51We cannot reclaim a nation for our
4:53people if we don't have a nation or
4:56people.
4:57And the overall expectations surrounding
5:01white people right now is this balancing
5:04act between everyone relying on us to
5:06uphold the institutions and the economy
5:08and all the infrastructure, while we're
5:10simultaneously expected to like tiptoe
5:13around our true convictions. Then when,
5:16you know, someone comes out with a
5:17radical position, everybody wants an
5:20explanation. So, with perfect accuracy,
5:22we have to like articulate how we're
5:24going to accomplish our long-term goals
5:25to people who have really nothing to
5:27gain from an explanation. And I mean,
5:29you seem like a smart guy. You know
5:30perfectly well that our goal is to aid
5:34in the reclamation of our sovereignty
5:37and help institute a government that is
5:39representative of our people. And you're
5:42also well aware what that means for
5:44non-whites. So, you You everything to
5:45gain by questioning it and everything to
5:47lose by us actually achieving those
5:50goals. And I mean, you did say earlier
5:53that you don't think we realize how hard
5:55this will be, and I don't believe that's
5:57quite a fair characterization. On the
5:59topic of total remigration specifically,
6:02cuz that's kind of what we're talking
6:03about. If something like that were to be
6:06achieved, I acknowledge that it would be
6:08the largest remigration ever
6:11orchestrated, and it would have
6:13potentially devastating and
6:14unprecedented effects. However, it's
6:18also very clear to me that this cannot
6:21be achieved until we actually have
6:23representation. So, we advocate for our
6:26long-term ideals, while focusing in the
6:29short-term on what we actually have
6:30immediate control over, and that is why
6:33we do exactly what we do.
6:35>> I would add to that and say that, yeah,
6:38I agree with that synopsis. The
6:39long-term ideal will have to occur
6:41incrementally. Progress will have to be
6:43one step at a time. And a lot of people
6:46focus on the total remigration variable,
6:48which I describe as something like step
6:50100. But, in order to even get close to
6:52that, like Forest said, we're going to
6:54have to fulfill a lot of incremental
6:56goals in the meantime. In regards to
6:58your point about racial ambiguity, I
7:00would say that the white racial identity
7:02isn't as
7:04as ambiguous as other people would like
7:06us to believe that it is. And a lot of
7:08it has to do with social incentive. So,
7:11for example,
7:12a black person could have as low as 30%
7:16sub-Saharan admixture, and that person
7:17could identify as a black person. We
7:19were just talking off the record, you
7:21said that one of your family members
7:23with like a mulatto person, like Malcolm
7:24X. That person could in polite society
7:27identify as a black person, and nobody
7:29will criticize or scrutinize that
7:31expression of identity. But, when white
7:34people start coming together and start
7:35talking about the consolidation of our
7:37ethnicity, and, you know, drawing firm
7:39boundaries around what actually
7:41constitutes an American citizen, people
7:43start talking about how everything's
7:45ambiguous. And the same thing was with
7:47Jews as well. Like you could have
7:48something like a quarter Levantine
7:50admixture and you could be granted an
7:52Israeli passport and be welcomed as a
7:55Jewish citizen. So, I would say that
7:57there's actually a racial double
7:59standard there and it's pointed that way
8:01on the basis of power. And when power
8:03expresses itself, people sort of know
8:05what identity they belong to. And so I
8:08think that people play into that and
8:10seek social status based off of the
8:12available incentives and the current
8:15available incentives tell people to
8:16identify with anything that isn't white.
8:19And obviously part of our mission is to
8:21embolden people to start changing that
8:23culturally.
8:24>> But Dylan, you actually pointed out
8:25something real quick. I'll just I'll
8:26just interject this.
8:28You actually understand how race really
8:30works. It's not just what you look like
8:32or what you self-identify as. It has to
8:34do with genetic clustering. Your race
8:36isn't like 10% German, 20% whatever.
8:39It's where do you genetically cluster
8:41and you rightfully pointed out that some
8:43people that may otherwise identify as
8:45white don't genetically cluster in
8:46Europe. But people ask us all the time,
8:48do we make the cut? Are we white? What
8:50do you think? Is this person white? We
8:51have our explanation of what a white
8:53person and what a heritage American is
8:55posted right at the top of our X and it
8:57quite literally is in line with what you
9:00um bring up, which is genetic
9:01clustering. If you genetically cluster
9:03with existing European populations, then
9:05you're a white person. Therefore, you
9:07are generally assimilable to Western
9:09culture. And if you are white and you
9:11have ancestry dating back to the
9:13founding stock of the United States,
9:14then you would be what we would call a
9:16heritage American. And if you don't fall
9:18into one of those two categories, then
9:19you're either just a legal citizen,
9:21otherwise a guest, or a foreign invader.
9:24So, those are the people that we
9:25advocate for removal.
9:28>> So, that right there is what fascinates
9:30me because I argue the problem is with a
9:32lot of white people is the tribalism.
9:34People will always talk about uh blacks
9:37versus
9:38you know, that's always a topic that's
9:39very common.
9:41Um you're not black enough to be black
9:42yet you'll have a last name like
9:43Henderson or Jackson or Johnson, but
9:45that's a separate topic. But with the
9:46whites and their tribalism,
9:48what I notice is when I see the white
9:51chick archetype, she gets [ __ ] by a
9:53black guy, has trauma, dick never fixes
9:56it. She ends up with a little that takes
9:58the kid to Chucky Cheese. What I notice
10:00with this archetype of white chicks
10:03is that they hate white men.
10:07I think the issue with a lot of white
10:08men, it's important to have a
10:09foundation.
10:11It's important to be a leader. You could
10:12say this for all men, even in the black
10:14community, you notice impulsive
10:16adolescents.
10:17This is a problem. We see more feminine
10:19men, men that aren't proud, men that
10:22don't have a sense of direction in life.
10:24I'd argue a lot of white men are in that
10:25situation as I've mentioned before. When
10:27I talk to white men and white women,
10:28I'll ask, "What is your ethnic
10:29background?" "Oh, I'm just white."
10:31You're just white.
10:32>> Mhm.
10:33>> What is white? I'd argue a lot of uh
10:36European groups that are under the label
10:38or labeled as white are pretty diverse
10:40when it comes to eye color, uh skin
10:42tone, hair texture because Forest, as
10:44you pointed out before, genetic clusters
10:47is race, not the color of your skin.
10:49Now, obviously, different types of
10:50groups, whether you're Baltic, Slavic,
10:52Hellenic, whatever European groups you
10:54descend from, you're going to have
10:55different features. What white people
10:57are taught to not be proud of their
10:59ancestors and their cultural
11:01achievements, they're taught, "Oh,
11:02you're just white. You're nothing."
11:04People like me, people who are Iraqi,
11:06Kurdish, and other non-white groups
11:09are coming into European countries by
11:12waves.
11:14They are told, these white people who
11:15are natives of Europe, that these people
11:18bring in culture. They are told that
11:20whites are a disease, even though whites
11:23are told to be punished and hate their
11:26whiteness, to hate themselves for doing
11:28what other groups have done. Now, the
11:29problem is with whites, they're so
11:31worried about giving people opportunity
11:33that destroy their country. And I'd
11:35argue that the women tend to cause white
11:37men a lot of problems. Now, you want
11:39people like me to not be in this
11:40country. I understand why. People like
11:42me don't like people like me. Minorities
11:44hate minorities. Uh majorities hate
11:46majorities. Arabs hate Arabs.
11:48Indians hate Indians. Racism exists
11:50everywhere. It's not specifically uh a
11:53white wizard invention as a lot of the
11:55we was renegades on Tik Tok like to say.
11:57But, I will say this.
11:59When it comes to white men,
12:01the variables are within their own
12:03community. Similar to how black people
12:05have the issues blacks versus
12:07Now, to address these issues,
12:10I'd argue the biggest enemy to a white
12:12man in today's society is another white
12:14man. It's an uncomfortable truth. A lot
12:16of white people don't want to hear it.
12:17I'd argue the white woman kind of over
12:19white men more.
12:21Right? Because they're taught happy
12:23wife, happy life.
12:25A lot of men are taught to shut up and
12:26listen, but a lot of people don't care
12:28what the leader has to say. And then you
12:30have these white women online thinking
12:31that men are evil and then marriage is a
12:33trap and that children are evil. So, I
12:35think a lot of white people are missing
12:37those family values.
12:39A lot of white women need a strong base.
12:41They need a strong masculine foundation.
12:44Otherwise, they're going to run to a
12:46non-white partner.
12:48Now, to address this issue, I find it
12:50very fascinating because with white
12:51people and like any other group, they
12:53are told that they're racist. And
12:54Jackson, you were right. Because most
12:56people have in-group preference. It's
12:58normal for a white person to want to be
13:00with another white person. It's normal
13:01for an Asian person to be with another
13:03Asian person or a black person to be
13:04with another black person.
13:06I feel like where white people struggle
13:08is they don't realize where people of
13:09color have power.
13:11Like Mamdani, he had he had Muslims. He
13:14had brownies. He had other people to
13:16vote for him because he knew what words
13:19to say. With white people, you could be
13:21isolationist, fine. But, it's the way
13:23you go about it.
13:24So, if as a mixed person, I can talk to
13:27a white woman who's a liberal, she's
13:29more likely to listen to me because for
13:31some weird reason she's taught to hate
13:32white men. But, people like me, my
13:35existence and other mixed people like me
13:38is different from what they're told and
13:39taught. They're taught that people like
13:40me are oppressed and don't have a voice.
13:42If I was oppressed, I wouldn't be able
13:43to talk to you gentlemen, would I? No.
13:45So, I talk to these white women and I
13:47notice where white men go wrong.
13:51For example, they'll tell me that okay,
13:53well, white people enslaved your
13:54ancestors. My African ancestors sold
13:56their African ancestors.
13:58Jews owned my [clears throat] ancestors,
14:00owned ships that shipped my ancestors.
14:02But, why is it that you were upset when
14:04only white people do something that
14:05other groups have done? Other groups
14:06have oppressed other groups and
14:07castrated other groups.
14:09But, what I notice is that white woman
14:10is more likely to listen to me than one
14:13of you. Now, I'm not trying to offend
14:14white people. I'm not trying to belittle
14:16and berate. I'm not trying to collect a
14:18white chick as if she is a trophy or an
14:20infinity stone.
14:21But, I will say this.
14:23A white woman in today's society who
14:26tends to be more left-leaning, like most
14:27women, they tend to be left-leaning, is
14:29more likely to listen to me because they
14:31are shocked because I am living evidence
14:34that their entire political ideology is
14:36false.
14:37Now, what do you two have to say about
14:39that?
14:39>> disagree with the way you're
14:40characterizing it. Um, I think that the
14:43race mixing and miscegenation dynamic is
14:46blown out of proportion from social
14:49media and the way that our culture has
14:50been sexualized with pornography. I
14:53mean, white people, even with all of the
14:55deterioration, are still the most
14:57homogeneous when it comes to dating. So,
14:59I would not agree at all. I don't think
15:01there's any evidence to suggest that
15:03white women are more prone to listen to
15:06non-white men on average. You know, even
15:08given all the propaganda, statistically,
15:11white women are still the most
15:12homogeneous when it comes to the dating
15:13market. But, I would actually zoom out
15:15and say that these issues are not
15:17exclusive to white people. I I across
15:20the board, women are a problem and most
15:24societies throughout history have had
15:26some level of feminist suppression in
15:29terms of like keeping women's role as
15:30more of a secondary role in society. And
15:33the problem is that we've tried to
15:35liberate and evangelize and help all
15:37these different people, including women,
15:39to the point where we've given them
15:40absolute autonomy. And they now have
15:43become this you know, on one hand
15:45they're basically a protected class, but
15:47on the other hand they wield all of this
15:49power simultaneously. So, it is this
15:51really self-destructive phenomenon that
15:53we're going to have to tackle, but I
15:54would say that that applies to women
15:57across the board. And while it is true
15:59that women do have more liberal
16:00sensibilities, I mean, I think with the
16:03data on this last election, I think
16:06especially with married white women,
16:07they're more likely to vote red. So, in
16:09an intact relationship, women actually
16:12do listen to their white counterparts.
16:14I think a lot of the problem is with
16:16hypergamy and social media and all these
16:18different things we have going on
16:20post-industrialization
16:21where women have this level of like
16:22entitlement and I think the only logical
16:26response to that is to across the board
16:29take their power away. You know, we've
16:31conducted this experiment where women
16:32have been given absolute sovereignty
16:34over every aspect of their lifestyle and
16:37it has brought zero benefits to all
16:40races. I would say that applies to
16:41everyone, especially black people. I
16:43mean, if you look at like the
16:46homicide rates and the violence and the
16:48single mother households and even like
16:50mixed-race relationships, it's far worse
16:53in the black community than it is in the
16:55white community. I would just say that
16:56the reason why it's so jarring to see it
16:59happening to white women is because
17:01people hold us once again to a higher
17:03standard. I think subconsciously they
17:05do. So, that's why, you know, people
17:07witnessing the dismantling of the white
17:10nuclear family structure is so
17:12disturbing to a lot of people because
17:13that is the unit that has kept the
17:15entire country intact up until this
17:17point. So, the woman thing I mean the
17:19raw reality a lot of people aren't going
17:21to like that and I think it applies to
17:23everyone across the board is that they
17:25should not have political power. They
17:27should not be CEOs. They should not be
17:29able to express their willpower in a way
17:32that overshadows men. It just doesn't
17:34work and it's bad for both men and
17:37women. And so, I would encourage white
17:39men to feel emboldened to
17:41keep their counterparts in check and I
17:43think there's a lot of simping culture
17:45going on right now. There's a lot of
17:47feminine temperaments and it's a big
17:49problem. It's a big problem and I think
17:51it's going to take a small concerted
17:53effort of conscientious white men who
17:55publicly say the kinds of things that
17:57Forrest and I do to really get things
17:59back on track. Otherwise, things are
18:01going to progressively, you know,
18:03deteriorate not just for white people,
18:05but for everybody. So.
18:07>> Yeah, you said a lot there, Dylan, but
18:09I'll try to sort of hone in on the white
18:11woman thing. You said in your story
18:13earlier that white men are cocked
18:16because of white women.
18:19Well, white women can only be able to
18:22[ __ ] white men because they're
18:24emboldened in doing so. Really, when you
18:26get down to the nub of any issue like
18:29this, it comes down to the fact that the
18:31only rights, which really is something
18:33that doesn't exist, are afforded to
18:35people because white men allow them to
18:37be. Andrew Wilson appeals to something
18:40very often called force doctrine, which
18:43is completely real. However, the true
18:45responsibility falls on the shoulders of
18:48white men. And this is why we don't
18:49focus on all of the symptoms as much as
18:52we try to focus on the core solution.
18:54So, the Jew question, the woman issue,
18:57the race problems, these only exist as
18:59symptoms of a foundational
19:02malfunction with regard to how white men
19:05prioritize the freedoms that they give
19:09to others. Now, I do agree that white
19:12women are completely out of control, but
19:15out of as Jackson just rightly pointed
19:16out, all women in the West are. So, with
19:19white women specifically, which is what
19:21you brought up, I do believe that this
19:23is the responsibility and business of
19:26white men to fix. However, I will say
19:28this whole narrative of the whole
19:30liberal white woman being the center of
19:33Western society's destruction is really
19:36just more anti-white [ __ ] If you
19:38want to talk about women like black
19:40women are the most obese, least
19:43intelligent,
19:45most violent, most government-dependent
19:47demographic that exists in this country.
19:51So, like I'll be the first to agree that
19:54a shocking portion of modern women are
19:56effectively toddlers. And I don't think
20:01that this is the core issue though, and
20:03I don't believe for 1 second that it'll
20:05be even 1/10 as difficult to fix, you
20:09know, as the women of the black race for
20:10instance. And And the correct response
20:12to it, once again, is not to discuss how
20:14difficult they make things or how
20:16difficult it will be to fix, but simply
20:18to act on the first step required to
20:21move towards our long-term goal, which
20:23is collectivizing in the interest of our
20:25group. And that's why we always end up
20:27there as the solution.
20:29>> Yeah, we believe that the majority, if
20:31not all of these issues, are essentially
20:33downstream from white men not upholding
20:36standards anymore. And so, we're trying
20:38to embolden and encourage people to do
20:40that. And like Forrest just said,
20:41rightfully, the best way to facilitate
20:44that goal is to begin organizing. And I
20:46think that there's going to be a domino
20:48effect from there. But if we don't do
20:50that, then nobody's going to live in a
20:52world of order anymore. We have disorder
20:54running rampant right now, and it's
20:55because
20:57white men are not living up to the
20:58standards of our forefathers. And it's,
21:00you know, it comes with a great deal of
21:01responsibility. So, that's a that's a
21:03big part of our message, I would say.
21:06>> All right, so two things. Um
21:08I I did want to talk about the IQ that
21:10has dropped for whites and blacks
21:12because it's safe to say that a lot of
21:13people in the black community today
21:14aren't like Malcolm X, and a lot of
21:16people who are said white nationalists
21:20aren't uh visionaries like George
21:22Lincoln Rockwell or people that have
21:23come before him.
21:25I'd argue there's more division, but
21:27white nationalists back in the day and
21:28black nationalists were able to see the
21:30bigger picture. They had the same enemy.
21:32Now, the issue And yes, like I've said
21:35before and like you two have said
21:36before, most white people are going to
21:39go for white men are going to go for a
21:41white partner, you know, in-group
21:42preference. Same thing with blacks, same
21:43thing with Asians and other groups.
21:45But what I notice with a lot of white
21:47women, and you guys will say that, well,
21:49statistically, and I've heard this
21:50before, that white women tend to vote
21:52the most conservative, especially if
21:53they're married, specifically if they're
21:54married or in a relationship, but I'd
21:56argue that a lot of women, uh especially
22:00in Western society, tend to be
22:01indecisive. I'd argue women tend to go
22:03with the flow. They don't really have
22:05political views.
22:06Even when a woman votes conservative,
22:08she could still be left-leaning.
22:10You know, um philosophically
22:12philosophically, ideologically,
22:15um so it's all about having a strong
22:18male leader, a foundation, a masculine
22:19foundation that will also determine what
22:21type of men she wants, a lack of it or
22:23enough of it.
22:25Now, the problem is with a lot of white
22:26women, like I said before, not all,
22:28right? But this idea of what is the
22:32Trump administration, I'd argue these
22:34conservatives aren't really
22:35conservative.
22:36So when you guys say that, hey, uh white
22:38women tend to vote more conservative or
22:40more red, [snorts]
22:42I'd argue that this administration isn't
22:45really conservative.
22:47They're left-leaning in a sense. They're
22:49under-delivering.
22:50They're not doing the mass deportations
22:52like they claimed they were going to do.
22:54Trump said something about, oh, we're
22:56only going to get rid of the bad ones or
22:57some [ __ ] like that.
22:59Um and that's what I notice. I notice
23:02that
23:04politically speaking Maga also has a
23:06victim mentality. So I can go online, I
23:10can talk about
23:11[ __ ] [ __ ] Now the whites will
23:14laugh when I talk about blacks who are
23:16Maga.
23:17But then they'll get offended for the
23:18Jew person. Now the white liberals will
23:21laugh when I make jokes about Israel.
23:23But they'll get angry
23:25and be an advocate for blacks. So I
23:27think we see this
23:30And argue both sides, Maga and
23:33Democrats.
23:35They're both left leaning. They're not
23:37really conservative. So to challenge
23:39that idea when you guys say white women
23:41tend to vote especially when they're
23:42married, they tend to vote the most
23:44conservative or vote red, I'd argue this
23:47administration isn't really right
23:49leaning like we've seen with previous
23:50conservatives throughout history.
23:52>> Yes, that's 100% accurate, but
23:54describing the available data doesn't
23:57mean that voting right-wing makes you
23:59right-wing. That's just what the data
24:01says about the
24:02you know, partisan political divide. So
24:06No, what you're describing is really the
24:07nature of women, which is that they do
24:09not hold convictions, at least not in
24:12the same way that men do. So I would
24:14agree with that characterization. Women
24:15are not liberal or Republican. Women use
24:19the most readily available tools to
24:21affirm their most available survival
24:24strategy. And if they're going to use
24:26politics to do that, they will do that.
24:28If they're going to use culture to do
24:29that, they're going to do that. So it
24:31really speaks to the nature of women
24:33versus men and how distinct we are in
24:35that regard. So I mean I would agree
24:36with that. I would also agree with the
24:38characterization of the GOP. I don't
24:39consider the GOP right-wing. Really
24:42they're just liberals on training
24:44wheels. So there's not really much of a
24:46disagreement there. So
24:48>> Yeah, I mean if you're voting red, then
24:50you are temperamentally more
24:52conservative than if you vote blue. I
24:53think that's kind of the point there.
24:55But yes, I would agree. If effectively
24:57MAGA is just homosexual liberalism.
25:01Just masquerading as like
25:03>> Right.
25:04>> Sorry. Well, that speaks to the divide,
25:06too, right? Because people don't want to
25:08say it and acknowledge the racial
25:10component. But, really, the two
25:11political parties are they're
25:12essentially racial. Like, if you control
25:14for race, white people reliably vote
25:17right and red, and non-white people
25:20reliably Yeah, the opposite. So, I think
25:23that also plays into it, too, and that
25:24shows that even with the distinction
25:26between feminine and masculine
25:28temperaments, the racial component is
25:30still very crucial.
25:34>> And since the racial aspect of it is
25:36crucial, this is something that I've
25:38been looking into myself. So, I made a
25:39series. Uh they were sand n- towel heads
25:43that I got angry on my Instagram
25:44section. Because I was saying, as a
25:47joke, but in a way you could argue
25:49there's truth to it, Europeans that I
25:50don't consider white. I'm not sure if
25:51you boys have stumbled upon any of my
25:53reels.
25:54>> Yeah, I saw it.
25:54>> But, I've
25:55I've talked about people from the
25:57Caucasus and people that are Southern
25:58Russian and certain Western Asian
26:00groups. I'm not sure if I posted it or
26:01got to it. So, when I look at people who
26:03are Georgians or Pontic Greeks or
26:05Cappadocian Greeks or Anatolian Greeks,
26:08they're different types of ethnic groups
26:09in Greece. They're different peoples. Um
26:12there are even Macedonian Greeks as
26:13well. There are Albanian Greeks, you
26:14know, people who have mixed with
26:15different populations. So, when I look
26:17at mainland Greeks, I think it's safe to
26:19say that they're white.
26:21When I look at Southern Russians from
26:22the Caucasus, I don't see them as white.
26:24They do have Middle Eastern that
26:25mixtures. They can have Middle Eastern
26:27uh or genetic clusters with Middle
26:28Eastern populations.
26:30A good example, uh people from Dagestan,
26:32Chechnya, and Ingushetia. They're in
26:34Russia, but they're not Slavic. They're
26:35Caucasus peoples. Um they can have
26:38clusters from Anatolian and Iranian
26:41Neolithic farmers.
26:43And even people in Georgia can have
26:47DNA that they share with Iranian and
26:49Mesopotamian um populations. Cyprus
26:52uh can have DNA shared with Levantine
26:55and Lebanese and Druze peoples.
26:57Um, and last but not least, because I
26:59talked about the Cappadocian and
27:00Anatolian Greeks earlier, but Georgians
27:03and Armenians, these this Western Asian
27:04Caucasus sets, they can share DNA with
27:08Assyrians, with certain ethnic Jewish
27:10groups. So, when it comes to
27:13establishing a white foundation, which
27:15you both strive for, it seems, could you
27:18argue that certain Europeans aren't the
27:20type of whites that you see
27:23will assimilate to your view of what you
27:25want America to be?
27:26>> Well, most of what you just said wasn't
27:28So, only part of Russia is even in
27:30Europe. The the entire eastern part of
27:32Russia is in Asia. Same with Georgia and
27:35Armenia. And then all of like the
27:37Caucasuses and West Eurasian, like
27:39Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan,
27:42>> Well, those are Central Asian. They're
27:43[ __ ] Turkic Turkic people.
27:45>> Yeah, I mean, none of those really
27:48cluster in Europe. And I saw even one
27:50video, you mentioned Sardinians, which I
27:53believe, if I'm not mistaken, have the
27:54most early European farmer ancestry.
27:58Again, we're talking like we're talking
28:00ancient populations that
28:03began an ethnogenesis, bred with other
28:06early Europeans, and then, you know,
28:08moved out and stayed in a place for
28:10thousands of years. And now, in 2026,
28:13looking back with all the historical
28:14context, considering the current borders
28:17of Europe, that's what we utilize as
28:20what a white person is, right? So, it's
28:21not to say that there isn't some
28:23crossover. I mean, you can have someone
28:24that's like half Syrian and then half
28:27German, and they'll racially cluster and
28:29look like a white person because they
28:30share some of the same ancient DNA or
28:32whatever. I understand that there's
28:33nuance and complexity, but it really
28:35doesn't have to be that complicated.
28:37Everybody kind of knows what a white
28:38person is. If you genetically cluster in
28:40Europe and you identify as white, you're
28:42probably white, and I'm kind of cool
28:44with that.
28:45But again, it doesn't really matter
28:47because many of the people who are part
28:49of this
28:50international struggle are either part
28:52of it because they are white and native
28:54to where they're at in Europe and
28:55they're experiencing all the waves of
28:57immigration. And in America, I'm not
28:59interested in letting anybody in anyway.
29:00So, I'm not going to be, you know,
29:01standing at the border of the United
29:03States doing phrenology tests and be
29:04like, "Ah, you look a little too Asiatic
29:06to be Russian. I don't think you're
29:07going to make it." It's like, I don't
29:09want anybody in. I want a complete
29:10immigration moratorium. Then we can
29:12maybe open it up down the line. But,
29:14just for establishing who a white person
29:16is now in Europe and in America going by
29:18racial clustering is generally a pretty
29:21good model because in America, the only
29:24sort of admixture will be indigenous
29:26Hispanics and black people. You know
29:29what I mean? Um it's not as complex as
29:31having like 25% Syrian and this and
29:34that. It's really
29:36it's a lot more simple than people want
29:37to make it. I mean, as Jackson sort of
29:38pointed to earlier, people always want
29:40to call into question like the vagueness
29:42of whiteness. We could do that with any
29:44race, but it's not really useful. It
29:46depends on the context, it depends on
29:47the historical circumstances, and it
29:49depends on what the circumstances are
29:50right now. Everybody knows what a black
29:52person is. You know, you like you're
29:54half black, right? You're as white as
29:57you are black, I suspect, maybe more.
29:59But, every black person would sort of
30:01just be like, "Okay, you are not a white
30:02person. You are black. You sort of fit
30:04into this broad racial category even if
30:06it's not scientifically perfect, right?"
30:08So,
30:09yeah, I just don't think it's that
30:10complicated. Yes, I think that
30:13we should have strict standards as white
30:15people. And I think the swarthy ones and
30:17the racially indigenous ones should get
30:19the the brunt of the situation because
30:21that's just how natural selection works.
30:24And people like Jackson and I that are
30:25northwestern European and blue-eyed and
30:27unambiguously Anglo, maybe we should get
30:30a little bit of special treatment. I
30:31don't know. But, yeah, I just don't
30:32think it's that complicated. Though, I
30:34do respect and admire at least your
30:37interest in it and understanding the
30:39the facts at hand rather than just kind
30:41of,
30:42you know, be Jews is white, you know,
30:43cuz everybody thinks, you know, Jews is
30:44white. That's kind of like the nature of
30:46every conversation we have.
30:49>> Yeah. I think that focusing on the
30:52racial edge cases becomes this
30:54hairsplitting activity and I don't
30:56really see a lot of utility in it. I
30:58mean, it is interesting to explore
31:00genetics and anthropology and we can
31:02talk more about that if you like to.
31:04But in regards to once again, like the
31:06ambiguous nature of whiteness, I just
31:08don't think it's as complicated as
31:10people try to make it out to be. It's
31:12sort of like the analogy I would use is
31:14there's a color spectrum and you can
31:16identify red and you can identify
31:19yellow.
31:20And in between there, it sort of blends
31:22at one point or another and you're sort
31:24of pointing at one color strip in
31:26between the two distinct, you know,
31:28colors and saying, "Well, I don't think
31:30that that mix blends with one or the
31:34other." And it's sort of like, "Okay."
31:36People can talk about that and debate
31:38about the genetics and things like that,
31:40but that doesn't really disprove that
31:42red and yellow exist. I mean, they are
31:44essential. They are categories that are
31:45there for a reason.
31:47And I think that once again, kind of
31:49like I was saying before, this really
31:51speaks to the double standard that
31:52people hold white people to, which is
31:54[clears throat] like, you know, the
31:55average black person in America,
31:56foundational black,
31:58has like 20 to 24% European ancestry.
32:02>> Yeah.
32:02>> Yeah. And so like if a black person
32:04says, "I'm black. We was this. We was
32:06that." There's no scrutiny applied and I
32:08think it's because the expression of
32:11white identity is more potent and more
32:13powerful than the expression of other
32:15identity groups. I wouldn't know how
32:17else to explain that because we'll talk
32:19about white people collectivizing and
32:21then a lot of people will reference all
32:22of these little, you know, edge cases on
32:25the peripheral boundaries and it's like
32:29it to me it's kind of a
32:31a self-defeating thing. I think it's
32:33pretty clear what a white person is for
32:35the most part. And also, I encourage
32:36white people to claim other people on
32:39the basis of convenience. Other identity
32:42groups identify with whatever group
32:44grants them the most social credit or
32:46status. I would recommend that white
32:49people start doing the same thing to
32:50exert their power over other people,
32:52actually.
32:54>> All right. So, um when you gave the
32:56German and Syrian example, you know, cuz
32:59you have Levantine and Germanic
33:00ancestry, would you let a person like
33:02that say in America?
33:05>> Uh someone who's like half Syrian, half
33:07German?
33:09>> Yeah, because I know you could say oh,
33:10Syrians could cluster with whites, but
33:11would you really want them?
33:12>> It It's not really a It's not really a
33:14useful hypothetical. Because again,
33:16we're talking about hypotheticals that
33:18are characteristic of a fraction of a
33:19percent. We We know that we have 100
33:22million people here that have absolutely
33:24no business here and don't even want to
33:26assimilate. So, like a half Syrian
33:28person, half German person that looks
33:30white, identifies as white, doesn't have
33:32cultural attitudes against white people,
33:33how am I even going to know where they
33:35came from? Do you know what I mean?
33:36These people sort of just blend in
33:37naturally and they become part of the
33:39nation, hypothetically. So, again, it's
33:42like once you get to that 90% number,
33:45things sort of fall into place a little
33:47bit and the ambiguity isn't so ambiguous
33:50anymore. And the people that are there
33:51and they are not part of the nation know
33:53that they are not part of the nation and
33:55everyone sort of understands their place
33:57because there's continuity. So,
33:58hypothetically, I I I I don't know. I
34:00mean, it's like hypothetically, if it
34:02was up to me, everyone would be 100%
34:04perfect, pure Aryan, only dating back to
34:08the Anglo-Saxon,
34:09you know, founders, but it's like that's
34:11that's not the circumstances we're
34:13living in. We have to deal with what we
34:14have now. So, I mean, it ultimately will
34:16come down to power, too, because if
34:18someone takes a political position and
34:20decides to institute policies of
34:21ethno-primacy, they will have to draw
34:23some sort of legal boundary. You can
34:25look at people doing this already. If
34:27you try to join some sort of national
34:29sort organization like Return to the
34:30Land or Patriot Front, they already have
34:33that figured out. Obviously, there's
34:34ideological implications, so you can't
34:36be like some sort of Wiccan, you know,
34:38like black magic person or some sort of
34:41uh you know, African pagan or something
34:43like that. But if you practice a
34:44traditionally European religion and you
34:46are white, they have standards for that.
34:48Patriot Front, their their low end is
34:5075%. Granted, they are reportedly a lot
34:53more strict than that. There's not a lot
34:54of quarter black people running around
34:56Patriot Front, I imagine. Um but again,
34:59they they sort of draw a line and
35:00they'll make individual considerations
35:02where it's appropriate.
35:04>> That I understand, but it sounds like
35:07because you guys are saying set a
35:08standard and you look at my
35:09hypothetical, you're like, "Eh, but that
35:11that's not really the ideal."
35:12>> Then the answer is no. If you want me to
35:14set a hard line, no.
35:15>> No.
35:16Okay.
35:17>> So that's not If it's not clear, it's
35:19pretty safe to say they're not going to
35:20be included. I mean, hypothetically, we
35:23could play into like the whimsical
35:25scenario and like come up with something
35:27fun and say, "Okay,
35:28we're going to have this America on a /
35:31Nuremberg edition of laws for race
35:34classification and we can make the edge
35:36cases second-class citizens." And we
35:38actually know somebody who's working on
35:39something like that, which is fun.
35:41Um but like you said, I I once again,
35:44it's like you're focusing on the end of
35:46the race before we even hear the gunfire
35:48and the beginning of the race. And so
35:50when the people who do belong here begin
35:53asserting their willpower, those that
35:55who do not belong will become more
35:57clear, I would say.
35:58>> Yeah, because again, it's a matter of
35:59It's a matter of priority, right? Like
36:01if you get rid of a hundred and some odd
36:02million people and then you're down to
36:04the final few million that are like Nick
36:06Fuentes or whatever, the problem's sort
36:09of already solved and they're just not
36:10the priority. So I mean, hypothetically,
36:12if you're asking me to draw a hard line,
36:14would they be included? Probably not.
36:17But you know, it depends.
36:18>> say no. I I think white people have had
36:20this posture for far too long of making
36:22concessions and I think that we should
36:24just let go of that.
36:26>> out, right?
36:26>> Yeah, okay.
36:27>> That's what I'm trying to figure out,
36:28right? Because
36:29when I see people and your side is
36:31divided because there are people who are
36:33on your side but not really on your
36:34side.
36:36They're not willing to make a stand.
36:37They'll be like, "Ah, white enough." But
36:38you're like, "No, I want hardcore like
36:40actually white." Now, do you want a
36:43predominant Anglo-Saxon and Germanic
36:46America? Like
36:47what do you envision America being,
36:50right? Because again, you get that some
36:52whites you don't really want because
36:54they don't have your vision. So, what
36:56does that look like? I know it's getting
36:57to the end goal rather than looking at
36:58step one, but I'm trying to, you know,
37:00understand if that makes sense.
37:02>> Fair enough. I mean, we like Forest
37:03said, we have to work within what is
37:06possible and the resources that we have
37:08access to. I mean, the primary ethnic
37:10core of America is Anglo-Saxon. And I
37:13think the second largest or maybe the
37:15largest now, maybe the Germans actually
37:17overtook the English. So, the two
37:19largest ethnic, you know, European
37:21populations in America are English and
37:23German. And yeah, I would say that that
37:25should be the priority.
37:27Um but it's also reliably the case that
37:29other European people assimilate and we
37:31can reference the naturalization act.
37:34So, I would say that yes, a primarily
37:37Anglo-Saxon {slash} Germanic stock with,
37:40you know, the potential of assimilation
37:42for other European populations. That's
37:45what the founders wanted. That's what we
37:46had for the vast majority of this
37:48nation's history and that's what we need
37:49to get back to.
37:51>> Yeah, I mean, I personally believe that
37:53an ethnogenesis has already begun and a
37:55huge portion of white Americans are
37:58already a mix of these original origins.
38:01So, I don't think focusing on like
38:03putting people with English ancestry,
38:05it's really going to be what Patriot
38:07Front and Return to the Land are doing.
38:08It's going to be that. It's going to be
38:09this a continuation of this pan-European
38:12experiment that has already was already
38:15underway before it was interfered with.
38:17So, again, I think people that are
38:19considered white by the standards of
38:21these types of organizations and then
38:23people who hold political power will
38:25join and then there will become a new
38:27body of people and that will sort of
38:29become the next because again it's like
38:30okay, well I'm either an ethnic American
38:32or I'm not but if I'm half German half
38:35Irish like am I German or am I no I'm an
38:37American. That's sort of how I view it
38:39now and that's I think how we have to
38:40treat it. Um appealing to the
38:42naturalization acts I think is useful
38:44when dispelling the myth that this was
38:46always supposed to be a nation of
38:49immigrants. That's not true. The
38:51founders intended for this to be a
38:53whites only nation. And also when people
38:55try to say Italians aren't white or the
38:57Irish were considered not white. That's
38:59all false. If you appeal to the
39:00naturalization act 1790, 1795, 1798,
39:031802 they legally constituted all these
39:06European populations in varying numbers
39:08as white people. Um but I also don't
39:10think we need to like revive its
39:12reputation and implement it now as if
39:14it's applicable in the same way. We have
39:16a new set of circumstances and we have
39:18to treat it that way. So um what I want
39:20America to have a dominant ethnic core
39:22of Anglo-Saxon. I think that naturally
39:24will be what it is. I mean because if
39:26there is hierarchy within the European
39:28ancestries, those will be the people
39:30that naturally rise to the top but it'll
39:32be a new mix of things. I don't I'm not
39:34like a purist in that sense. And again
39:37it becomes this purity spiraling thing.
39:39And we're trying to say well once we
39:41deport 155 million people will Nick
39:43Fuentes get to stay? It's like it's just
39:45not the right it's not the appropriate
39:47approach, you know.
39:49>> Yeah and I would I would just tie that
39:51up by saying the long-term goal is, you
39:54know, on the other side of that
39:56ethnogenesis which we were in the middle
39:58of experiencing before it was
39:59interrupted with immigration and civil
40:02rights. But on the other side of that I
40:04would like to see a world where the
40:06people that come after us just refer to
40:08their ethnicity as American.
40:12You know, not divided amongst all these
40:13different European populations but a
40:15literal ethnogenesis is the ideal, yes.
40:17>> No damn hyphens. We're done with the
40:19hyphen culture. It's over.
40:21>> Exactly. Exactly.
40:23>> So, to the Italian question because
40:25we've seen people um
40:26>> The IQ.
40:28>> The uh Well, not just the IQ.
40:29>> [laughter]
40:30>> Well, not just the IQ, but um I noticed
40:32even with Southern Italians specifically
40:34they tend to cluster, I believe, with
40:35Ashkenazi Jews. I know certain Italians
40:38um up north are obviously different
40:40looking than Southern Italians.
40:43Are you going to be picky with Northern
40:45or Mainland Italians and Mainland Greeks
40:48compared to other Greeks or is it just
40:49like you're Greek, you can be here,
40:50you're you're Italian, you can be
40:52because you set a standard.
40:54>> Yeah.
40:54>> But I I feel [clears throat] like there
40:55are exceptions that you guys
40:57>> We're we're aware of all of these things
40:59and I can appreciate them, but again,
41:01I've spent so much time considering all
41:02of them and realized that they are not
41:04useful because they are not a
41:06representative of the large majority of
41:08decisions that will have to be made and
41:09b, they are sort of long-term
41:12perfectionism once the main goal is. So,
41:15granted, are there Ashkenazi Jews that
41:18identify as
41:19Jews that are like 30% Levant and 70%
41:23Polish and they cluster with like Crete
41:25and Greece and in Southern Italy and
41:27stuff? Yeah, so like racially on a
41:29principal component analysis they
41:30cluster with European populations that I
41:33otherwise would accept as heritage
41:35American or something like that. But
41:37again, just genetic clustering can't be
41:39the only standard because if that's the
41:41only standard, then people would already
41:43have the same attitudes, which is really
41:45what we're trying to control for with
41:46the racial question is cultural
41:48attitude. So, again, it's a matter of
41:50self-identification,
41:52racial category, as well as it's going
41:54to be ideological. There is ideological
41:56significance to all this. So, it's like,
41:58okay,
41:59if some sort of uh you know, Russian
42:02Ashkenazi Jew really was like some
42:04pro-white person and wanted to be a
42:06white person and really had pro-white
42:08attitudes and wanted to be a heritage
42:09American,
42:11no one would really know what he is and
42:13he would have a pretty easy time just
42:14sneaking in, you know, to the Fourth
42:16Reich or whatever, if he looked like a
42:18white person. But, this isn't what we
42:21deal with. We deal with
42:23that more often than not separate
42:25themselves from Europeans because 100%
42:28Ashkenazi, they do cluster with the
42:30Levant. Though, a lot of Jews are
42:31racially mixed, whereas like a quarter
42:33Jew or a half Jew often cluster in
42:35Southern Europe, for example. But,
42:37really they will identify with their
42:39non-European side. So, again, it would
42:41be the same sort of issue if Germans
42:44just decided like, "Well, [ __ ] all the
42:46other white people." Like, "Oh, but you
42:47cluster with Germany, so you're No, it's
42:49like it doesn't matter if they're
42:50against the end goal, which is
42:52preservation of the white race, then
42:54they're against me." You know, it's
42:55really that simple.
42:58>> All right. So, like let's say, for
42:59example, well, there there would
43:01obviously be separation of families if
43:04there was the intention
43:06to uh well, I'm not sure if there'd be
43:08separation how far it it be into that
43:10plan.
43:11Separation of families could be a thing,
43:12or maybe the whole family could be
43:13deported. But, let's say someone is a
43:16quarter black, right? 75% European,
43:19whether it's Germanic, Slavic, whatever,
43:21and then he has Nigerian ancestry, and
43:22has children with a white woman.
43:26Let's say there are families like that,
43:27and there is a predominantly white baby.
43:29I think the stats would be 6.28% uh
43:31sub-Saharan African.
43:33Would these families be uh not a threat,
43:37but a challenge to your view?
43:40Would you not
43:41>> Again, that that's that's an like it I
43:43understand what you're saying, but like
43:44a kid that's like a white person with 6%
43:49admixture, it's like this is not
43:51characteristic of the vast majority of
43:53white people, [clears throat] and it's
43:54just not on the priority list. Would
43:55they be a threat? No, because we
43:57probably wouldn't know.
43:58If you have 6% African admixture, and
44:01you never do a DNA test, you're not
44:03really going to know.
44:04>> white looking, yeah. Well, once again,
44:05yeah, I would say it doesn't challenge
44:07my worldview because exceptions don't
44:10disprove the rule. So.
44:13Yeah.
44:14>> But that's the thing, the ancestors have
44:15made exceptions and wouldn't you argue
44:17it bit them in the ass, which is why
44:18you're here right now?
44:20>> In some ways, maybe. I mean, give me an
44:22example.
44:23>> Well, for example, he did have um
44:27Jewish people serve him, but there was
44:30someone that even betrayed the Nazis who
44:32was
44:33So, I'm saying when you make those
44:34little exceptions, you don't think they
44:35could deceive white people in the first
44:37place.
44:37>> you encouraging us to be racial purists
44:39right now? Because we can we can do that
44:40if it'll make you feel better.
44:43>> It's about It's about It's about what
44:46best reinforces the goal. I don't think
44:49that Hitler made those exceptions
44:50because he liked those ethnic groups. He
44:52was obviously a Nordicist and a
44:54supremacist, which is what makes him
44:55cool, by the way.
44:57He made those exceptions because it
44:58benefited his military campaigns. So, I
45:01don't even view that as an ideological
45:03decision. I view it as a strategic
45:05strategic decision. So, whatever
45:06benefits the survival and prosperity of
45:09my race, I'll support that in so far as
45:12it makes sense strategically.
45:16>> All right, because that's what I'm
45:17saying, because you say it makes sense
45:18strategically, but I'm saying don't you
45:20think decisions now could bite you in
45:21the ass if you're loose on certain
45:23policies? That's what I mean. That's
45:24what I'm trying to ask. So, when it
45:25comes to deportations, too, because I
45:26know you said, like I said, and I don't
45:27want you guys repeat yourself. What I
45:29find very interesting, so uh like I told
45:31Jackson that my mother's mixed, uh my
45:34father is white. Let's say I'm with a
45:37Slavic woman, right?
45:39What I notice is
45:43What I notice is
45:44>> Deport.
45:44>> with the exception
45:45>> Sorry.
45:46>> Oh, his family's got to go?
45:48>> I I want to answer that.
45:49>> This is This is the same like the
45:50answer's going to be the same. So, we we
45:52can say we can we can we can approach
45:54your question with nuance because your
45:56question is thoughtful and it's nuanced,
45:58but then you will challenge our response
46:00by saying, "Well, don't you think the
46:01Nazis made too many exceptions?" So, in
46:02other words, you're just saying that
46:04unless we really just like cut the
46:06infection off at the elbow rather than
46:08the wrist, we're going to lose and we
46:10should probably take that into
46:11consideration. And honestly,
46:13maybe you're right.
46:15All right. So, that's what I wanted. All
46:16right. So, that answer's done. I've
46:18gotten three different scenarios.
46:21You guys aren't willing to take the risk
46:23to have your choices bite you in the ass
46:25or your future descendants. I can make
46:27that part clear.
46:30I'm sorry, say that again.
46:30>> to clear You have to clarify what you
46:32mean by that.
46:33>> you are you're now instead of cutting
46:35the rotted rotten part of the flesh,
46:37you're going to cut a little bit of
46:38extra flesh to prevent the infection
46:40from spreading is what you're saying.
46:41Essentially, you're not taking any
46:42risks.
46:43Uh if you were with a non-white person,
46:45sorry, deport. Um it doesn't matter if
46:47you have dissident DNA,
46:50deport. If you Okay. So, that's what I'm
46:52trying to figure out.
46:53>> I mean, the approach would have to be
46:54extremely strict and conservative. Yeah,
46:57unfortunately.
46:59>> All right. So, that's what I'm trying to
47:00understand.
47:02Now, in the beginning I said a lot of
47:04white people don't actually agree with
47:05you guys.
47:06>> Fair enough.
47:08>> Well, that's the thing. That's what I
47:09want to get to, right? So, a lot of
47:11black people can be tribal in the sense
47:14of sticking up for one another. And the
47:16black people who want to take
47:17accountability and want black people to
47:20take accountability for their actions
47:21are called a
47:22and so forth. We've seen Andre Williams.
47:24We've seen Kwangola. These are big
47:26voices in the black community. Now, what
47:28I notice is if whites were to be more
47:30isolationist, you have to learn from
47:33Jews and blacks on how to do it.
47:36Because two things.
47:38White people white liberals will target
47:40other white people and they get profit
47:42from [ __ ] on white men. We've seen
47:44this with Kylie Brewer.
47:46They'll [ __ ] on white men. They'll
47:48pander to blacks.
47:51So, how will you challenge these people?
47:53Because remember, I think Kylie Brewer
47:54has somewhere around 400,000 to 500,000
47:57followers. You know, I don't know what
47:58her Tik Tok is.
48:00But how will you deal with people like
48:02Kylie Brewer? Because I'd argue she Yes,
48:04she's a minority, but she does have huge
48:06influence. Anti-white narratives have
48:08huge influence and they're being pushed
48:09harder than any type of narrative. So,
48:11how would you deal with people like
48:12that? How would you educate and
48:14reinforce
48:16the white youth to be proud of their
48:18ancestry when this narrative has been
48:20pushed for so long?
48:21>> In much of the same way that we're doing
48:23now. I mean, really what what you're
48:24pointing to is that the vast majority of
48:26people are susceptible to propaganda,
48:28particularly women because as it
48:30pertains to the woman question, they are
48:31the most susceptible to propaganda. So,
48:33how will we do that? We will continue to
48:35enforce pro-white attitudes and that
48:37will that will continue to gain
48:39popularity because the circumstances and
48:43quality of life for white people will
48:44continue to get worse. And they will.
48:46And people will eventually start to see
48:49what we say as true, not because we're
48:52even convincing, but because it will be
48:53a matter of survival. So, we're sort of
48:55seeing this cultural bubbling, this this
48:58revival of old white history. And it's
49:02not really because it just came out of
49:04nowhere and people are interested in it
49:07for no reason. It's because they feel
49:10connected to it because they are
49:12ostracized in some way. Jackson and I we
49:14we talk about node theory all the time.
49:16When we talk about representation, what
49:18a government is supposed to do, it's
49:19supposed to be representative of the
49:20people. So, it's supposed to contain
49:22those people that it's meant to
49:23represent, but also in terms of media,
49:25music, stuff like that, I think that uh
49:28music, media, comedy, those sorts of
49:30things will actually be very important
49:32in the cultural node. So,
49:33>> In terms of how you make the ideology
49:36more appealing, I mean, I agree with
49:38Forrest's synopsis about node theory,
49:40which is a ever so evolving thing that
49:42we're working on right now with other
49:44people.
49:45But I would say that you just need white
49:47men who are compelling and conscientious
49:50to explicitly say these things out loud
49:53in a way that resonates. And that's part
49:55of the reason why we're doing this
49:56because we need to get more people on
49:58board with this. So, I would say the
49:59cultural representation is a really big
50:01part. And the other part is that a lot
50:03of people are going to adopt these
50:05attitudes as a matter of necessity. You
50:07know, the issues that Forrest and I talk
50:09about aren't going to naturally resolve
50:11themselves in terms of crime, race
50:13relations, poor representation in the
50:16government for white people. More and
50:18more people are going to feel
50:19disaffected from these problems and as a
50:21matter of necessity and eventually
50:23survival will be pushed over to this
50:26side of the aisle. And when that time, I
50:28believe, inevitably happens, then we
50:30need to offer a compelling set of, you
50:32know, rhetorical tools for those people
50:34to utilize for the message. So, I think
50:37it's culture and I think it's also just
50:38going to be, you know, society continues
50:41to deteriorate and more people are going
50:43to have to be forced into taking their
50:44own side, I would say.
50:48>> All right. Because the reason why I
50:49bring it up, um she's your typical white
50:51liberal, uh Caleigh Brewer. If I had to
50:53guess, you know, she's pretty rough
50:55looking. I'd say somewhere around 25 to
50:5730. It's a rough 25 if that's the case,
50:59but the point I'm trying to make is that
51:01it's always these single white women
51:03archetypes. A bit fat, really [ __ ]
51:05annoying. They don't know when to shut
51:06the [ __ ] up. That's what really
51:08challenges white men like you guys
51:11because she will have around I think she
51:12has around 400,000 to 500,000 people.
51:15Um she'll say some fat
51:18like going to the gym upholds white
51:19supremacy. I'm not sure if you've seen
51:21that video, but
51:22>> [laughter]
51:22>> No, I swear to God that was an actual
51:24beginning of the video.
51:25>> Yeah, yeah. Like and and it's annoying,
51:27dude.
51:28>> No.
51:28>> Well, I'm sorry.
51:29>> No, no. I'm saying it's annoying because
51:30I'm like it when I say white women are
51:33the biggest issues for white men, I
51:35think age, political views
51:38uh what's mainly age and political views
51:40that are a big factor because if a white
51:41woman is like younger, maybe 19 to 24
51:44and married
51:45she's probably going to lean more
51:47towards your views, but when does it get
51:49to a point when it's too late for the
51:50white woman? I guess is what I'm asking
51:52because if a is like liberal and like
51:54between 25 and 34, it's kind of over.
51:57You know what I'm saying? Her views
51:58already shifted.
52:00At that point, can you really save her
52:01when she still when a woman still has
52:03numerous piercings in her face, her hair
52:05is, you know, a rainbow, dyed many
52:08colors?
52:09When it gets to a certain age, don't you
52:10think it's kind of over and there's no
52:12saving her? Like what when's the line
52:15where it's like it's over? There's no
52:16saving her.
52:16>> probably past the window of fertility.
52:19That's a pretty good parameter to keep,
52:21you know, keep in mind. But so many
52:22people have been affected by the
52:24downstream causes of maternity, men and
52:26women alike. I think that it applies
52:28across the board and to all races as
52:30well. Once again, I don't think that
52:32this is exclusive to white people, but
52:36sort of, you know, once again,
52:37reinforcing the original point, when
52:39white people do things that are so out
52:41there, it's more potent because the way
52:43that we express ourselves is usually
52:45with more power. So, uh, in the case of
52:48this person specifically, I just looked
52:50up a picture of her and I I I'm familiar
52:52with her. She's like the super
52:54vehemently anti-white kind of race
52:56traitor archetype. Um, what do you do
52:59with someone like that? I mean,
53:01hypothetically, in a video game, if
53:03there's like regime change domestically,
53:05we need to make examples out of people.
53:07>> Most of these people that watch this and
53:08consume this sort of content, I don't
53:10believe that they're ideological or even
53:12that capable, you know,
53:14very capable minorities that are are
53:17able to organize are going to be able to
53:19implement political change way more than
53:21500,000 random people white laughing at
53:23a joke of some white woman talking [ __ ]
53:26about white supremacy. Um, I just don't
53:29really believe it's a threat. I mean, in
53:30terms of like saving them, I mean,
53:32there's certain people that just simply
53:33aren't going to make it.
53:36>> I think the growth is different, too.
53:38Like with white nationalism, the growth
53:40is more qualitative. And with people
53:42like that, all they're doing is
53:43appealing to these
53:45boringly predictable predictable
53:47leftist, you know, sentiments about like
53:49the patriarchy and white supremacy. And
53:51so, I think they showcase more of a
53:54quantitative growth as opposed to people
53:56like us who are like literally trying to
53:58encourage people to accumulate power and
54:01wealth and get involved in politics. So,
54:03I would agree. I don't really see it as
54:05much of a threat. It's just some like
54:07hard woman who shouldn't be speaking.
54:09>> And the truth is is that we actually
54:11have the truth on our side. She believes
54:14in a foundational ideology, which is
54:17predicated on flattening of hierarchy,
54:19which opposes all of biological
54:21evolutionary history. So, if you believe
54:23that the universe bends towards truth,
54:26then they are destined to fail and we
54:28are destined to win.
54:30>> Mhm. A few more points I'll bring up and
54:32I'll uh I'll try to end it quickly.
54:33>> But also spankings. We have to There's
54:35lots of spankings, just to be clear.
54:37>> Yes, great cultural spanking.
54:39>> I think you need a few backhands for
54:40some of these women, but
54:42>> [clears throat]
54:43>> to get to the point,
54:44what I uh I do realize this, but I guess
54:47the reason why I say it's a threat
54:50and you guys don't see it as a threat
54:51because you say eventually you will win
54:52due to truth, which I can understand,
54:54but her following, left-leaning women
54:56have big followings. And I'd argue
54:59they and that's the thing why I notice
55:00with left-leaning people, they're very
55:02good at radicalizing the youth and
55:04having more influence over the youth.
55:06And I'd argue a lot of educators tend to
55:08be women. A lot of children are going to
55:11be surrounded by women.
55:13And I'd say white women specifically.
55:15Maybe a liberal archetype, maybe like a
55:16fat of 25 Kelly Brewer archetype, I
55:19don't know.
55:20But I will say this,
55:23that if the women have some of the
55:26biggest influence on the children,
55:29are children going to have to be
55:30homeschooled?
55:32>> My children
55:33>> They are.
55:34>> Yeah. Every every person I associate
55:37with homeschools their children. All the
55:38people that I'm organizing with and
55:40building with, they exclusively
55:42home-school their children. So, yeah, we
55:44definitely support that. You should
55:46definitely insulate your children from
55:47the insanity. Yes.
55:49>> That's the thing, right? None of this is
55:50going to happen. Like you you you
55:52brought this up earlier, Dylan. The
55:54the right-wing GOP establishment body,
55:59it's not going to work. They're
56:00essentially liberals. And people that
56:02still buy into that, again, you know,
56:05And me and Jackson were talking about
56:06this earlier. People will view our
56:08interview with James Fishback, right?
56:10Who essentially is part of that like GOP
56:13civic nationalist
56:14body. And they'll criticize it by
56:16criticize us by saying that, you know,
56:18we should have gone along with the
56:19strategy. It's 5D chess. We're too
56:22radical. He needs to win votes. He
56:24understands the interests of white
56:26people. He just has to play it safe.
56:29But the truth is is that that's just
56:30false. If you understood the situation
56:33and you are pro-white, then you would
56:35just say what needs to be said.
56:38And white men are going to continue to
56:40be attracted to the establishment
56:41right-wing and their little payments of
56:43homage to our talking points like
56:45Fishback and J.D. Vance. All of them
56:47talk about how straight white men are
56:48targeted and people want to believe that
56:51you can just take their talking points,
56:53go to some voting box, circle yes on a
56:56ballot, and that'll fix our problems.
56:58Meanwhile,
56:59they'll criticize people like us and
57:01call us crazy for promoting
57:02organizations that are actually
57:04generating real-world results.
57:07They'll call Thomas Rousseau a fed or
57:09Eric Orwell a grifter. Why? Not because
57:13they have actual evidence, but because
57:15they either feel threatened by its
57:16future implications or the actual
57:19solution is just too difficult for them.
57:21And again, all of this for me just
57:23circles back. All of the answers to your
57:25questions, the ambiguity, the woman
57:27thing, it goes back to white
57:28collectivization. People criticize all
57:30the time. People are doing it in the
57:31chat. Now, I mean, you can
57:33repost videos on Instagram and tweet
57:35from your anonymous X account, but if
57:37you won't put on boots and show up to
57:39serve your people in the wake of a
57:41natural disaster, if you won't march, if
57:44you won't risk your social credit score
57:46because you want to believe it'll all be
57:48easy, and I'm sort of speaking to like
57:50the white critics out there. If that's
57:52your attitude, you will continue to be
57:54disappointed by the establishment
57:56politicians and the institutions and the
57:58white liberal women teaching your
58:00children,
58:01and you will not be saved by someone who
58:03can't just say what it is. White people
58:06will not be helped by someone who says
58:08that they will not put white people
58:10first. And like like you kind of brought
58:12up, the left, they're able to garner so
58:15much attention because they can appeal
58:18to political grievances, right? They're
58:20They're this giant hegemonic energetic
58:23force. You have Mamdani and others in
58:26positions of actual political power
58:28garnering significant support by
58:30appealing to like populist grievances in
58:32in in their cities.
58:34His solution is literally redistribution
58:37of wealth from white people to non-white
58:39people. And they will just tell you
58:41exactly what they're doing. Meanwhile,
58:42J.D. Vance and Fishback and all these
58:44[ __ ] people that everyone says, "Oh,
58:45it's 5D chess." They're putting on a
58:47suit and just saying like, "Well, we
58:49want to save democracy." J.D. Vance is
58:51married to an Indian.
58:53Fishback is Colombian, okay? It won't
58:55work, and if you think it will, you're
58:57you're going to perish with it. It
58:59figuratively. So, the solution is
59:01already available, you know, to to tie
59:03it all together, and you're not alone.
59:05Like the reclamation of sovereignty
59:07cannot occur within this political
59:10apparatus that you're describing. And
59:12they're they're actively destroying it
59:15for their own short-term gain. So,
59:18you have to do the hard thing. You have
59:19to take a risk. You have to be a man.
59:21You have to be pro-white, and you have
59:22to get involved.
59:23>> It's eugenic, like he's describing. I
59:25mean, there's a small concerted effort,
59:27like I said before, among white,
59:30conscientious men who are taking these
59:32risks and getting involved. And if we
59:34win, then we win. And if we don't, then
59:37effectively everybody else just loses in
59:40the end because people are going to
59:42continue to degenerate into this mixing
59:45bowl soup, you know, science experiment,
59:47and it's going to be it's going to be
59:49over. So, either we win or we don't. So,
59:52but like like with all the things you're
59:53talking about, I mean, you're making a
59:55lot of valid observations about the
59:57issues that plague white America.
59:59>> [snorts]
59:59>> And it is true. And like Forrest said,
1:00:01the proper response, in my mind, is to
1:00:04just get involved and assert your
1:00:06willpower. That's really the only
1:00:07logical answer. Otherwise, you just
1:00:09continue to stand on the sidelines and
1:00:12watch as things continue to unravel. And
1:00:14I don't think that's useful.
1:00:17>> All right. So, I'll end it with this
1:00:19because I appreciate you boys' patience,
1:00:20you know, I have to ask three questions
1:00:22to get the answers I wanted. That's
1:00:23That's just black and white. I can't
1:00:24resist it. You know what I mean? Keep
1:00:25asking, eventually I get my answer. But,
1:00:28this last thing I wanted to address,
1:00:29this stat.
1:00:31Um I'm not sure if you can see it. So,
1:00:32the ones where everything is aligned is
1:00:34how white people viewed other
1:00:36>> Yes. We've seen this.
1:00:37>> Yeah. So, obviously I'm assuming
1:00:39So, is your plan to have everything
1:00:41scattered? Like white people to be like,
1:00:44"No, not everything is going to align.
1:00:45We are going to have white people be
1:00:47more of race realists." Like, how are
1:00:50you
1:00:51When you see that stat, are you trying
1:00:53to reverse it?
1:00:54>> It is a It's a strange question because
1:00:56it depends on what you mean is my plan
1:00:58to scatter. It's like I don't really
1:01:01have control over that. All you have
1:01:03control over is your own mind and your
1:01:05own actions, and we can try to influence
1:01:07as many people as possible. I mean,
1:01:10the white thing is going to go one way
1:01:12or another, regardless of who thinks
1:01:14they are in control. And so, what is my
1:01:17plan for that? I mean, obviously my
1:01:19ideal outcome would be white people
1:01:22having the same level of in-group
1:01:23preference as other people do. And I
1:01:25think the only way that we can
1:01:27facilitate that goal would be the two
1:01:29things that I talked about before, which
1:01:30are compelling figures who are
1:01:32advocating for it, and two, white people
1:01:35being pushed into the corner and
1:01:36adopting those attitudes as a matter of
1:01:38necessity and survival. So, I would
1:01:41still kind of answer it the same way. Um
1:01:43but if anything, data like that just
1:01:46proves that white people are better.
1:01:48Because even in the midst of all this
1:01:49going on, we still try to be fair.
1:01:52>> And for the audience, just to be clear,
1:01:54what that is, it's demonstrating the
1:01:55different racial categories. I think
1:01:57it's Hispanic, Asian, black, and then
1:01:59white Americans and their level of
1:02:01in-group preference for their racial
1:02:02group, where it'll show general
1:02:04continuity in preference for their own
1:02:06racial group with every other group
1:02:08except for white people, which is
1:02:10obviously true. And really, this is just
1:02:13a symptom of luxury beliefs. We have
1:02:15been
1:02:16we are able to think that way, right?
1:02:18We've actually We've accomplished
1:02:21industrialization
1:02:23and and making our lives so abundant and
1:02:26beautiful that we can actually have that
1:02:28level of grace. Unfortunately, it's not
1:02:30going to work because it's inconsistent
1:02:32with survival. So, I mean again, let's
1:02:34let's take a look at that stat in about
1:02:3610 years, and I bet it will look a whole
1:02:38lot different.
1:02:40>> All right. So, now that you've addressed
1:02:42that, are you willing
1:02:44because I feel there will be white
1:02:46people that oppose you, are you willing
1:02:48own to a bit of a crazy way to end it.
1:02:51But I'm saying, are you willing to fight
1:02:53against any own people?
1:02:54>> Jackson and I would never advocate for
1:02:56violence or violations of law. However,
1:02:59there will be lots of spankings.
1:03:02>> No, I understand what you're saying. I'm
1:03:03not saying you have the intention of of
1:03:05killing innocent people, but I'm saying,
1:03:07don't you think that if your idea is
1:03:09pushed, that there
1:03:11>> Lots of spankings. Lots of spankings.
1:03:13That's the answer.
1:03:14>> If people are competing for power, then
1:03:16bad things are going to happen. It's
1:03:18That's obvious.
1:03:19>> Mostly spankings.
1:03:20>> for it. I'm just saying that are you
1:03:22prepared to fight your own? You know
1:03:23what I'm saying?
1:03:25I'm not trying to
1:03:25>> Look, I got my belt and I'm prepared to
1:03:27spank.
1:03:29In a video game.
1:03:30Look, whatever needs to happen so that
1:03:33white people exist to me is fine.
1:03:36>> So you would fight your own?
1:03:38>> We don't advocate for violence, once
1:03:39again, so
1:03:40>> No, I understand. I'm not trying to
1:03:41advocate it, but I'm saying when you
1:03:43push for this, because we've seen
1:03:44rebellions against before.
1:03:46Right? Throughout history.
1:03:47>> Yes, we understand. We understand.
1:03:50>> I just I don't want to preach a violent
1:03:51message, so I apologize if that was
1:03:52abrupt.
1:03:53>> No, that's okay. That's okay.
1:03:55Lots of spankings.
1:03:56>> It's a possibility is what I'm saying,
1:03:58you know, your own turning against you,
1:04:01fighting for what you believe in.
1:04:02>> Our own have already turned against us.
1:04:03They just killed Charlie Kirk for being
1:04:05a Nazi when he's really a liberal.
1:04:08>> Yeah.
1:04:08I mean, basically, yeah. So the chances
1:04:10of being forced to self-defense and
1:04:14having a war
1:04:15>> No comment.
1:04:17Lots of spankings.
1:04:19>> You know I'm right though. You know that
1:04:20there are people that would betray you
1:04:21like your male versions of
1:04:23>> They're already betraying us. They're
1:04:25already betraying us.
1:04:26>> I'm not saying they've already betrayed
1:04:28you, but
1:04:29the war right now is a cold war.
1:04:31>> You have to understand, you're You're
1:04:32asking us to vocally say that we're
1:04:35prepared to take lives, and that's just
1:04:37not something that we would ever say.
1:04:39We're prepared to spank. I'm prepared to
1:04:41spank. I'll do a lot of spanking.
1:04:45>> But yeah, but you guys are ready for the
1:04:47possibility
1:04:48of your ideal
1:04:49>> we got to We got to move on, man. This
1:04:51is getting a little bit difficult here.
1:04:52Come on now.
1:04:54>> Well, I do appreciate both you guys, but
1:04:55yeah, that that question bugs me because
1:04:57I feel with everything that you stand
1:04:59for, it's always hardest to go against
1:05:02your own. Even your own family turns
1:05:03against you, you know? So that's what
1:05:04I'm saying.
1:05:05>> Well, look at history of Europe for the
1:05:07last thousand years.
1:05:08>> Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It's
1:05:09basically history repeating itself.
1:05:11>> There you have it. like you guys
1:05:13>> We don't disagree. We don't disagree.
1:05:15>> Yeah, yeah. So, it seems like you guys
1:05:17are prepared for drastic measures, is
1:05:18what I'm essentially trying to
1:05:19>> Lots of spankings.
1:05:21>> Yes, lots of lots of spankings. Yep.
1:05:23>> Banana bread, spankings, total
1:05:25Anglo-mugry, all of it.

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