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0:00what's the biggest misunderstanding
0:02about you whenever you hear about
0:03somebody who's got you know ridiculous
0:05amounts of money their values are
0:08different than your values you should be
0:10concerned about their agenda what's your
0:13biggest Fe I'll be sad as my brain gets
0:16less capable that disappoints me tell me
0:18one Behavior we all should adopt reading
0:20a lot being a student that's a big part
0:23of My Success richest and most powerful
0:25men in the world Bill Gates has
0:27Unleashed a technological Revolution
0:30that has changed our lives Bill Gates of
0:3225 and Bill Gates of 17 any change that
0:35you feel personally in my 20s being a
0:37maniac was the right thing my
0:39competitors would say oh no you work too
0:41hard and I'd say yes I do if you're in a
0:44race your 20s when you have no wife and
0:47no children that's the time to do
0:51it if you get an opportunity to invite
0:55three Indians for dinner who would that
0:57be there was a mathematician ramanujan I
1:00would have loved to have met him why do
1:01you think India is becoming a Global
1:04Talent capital for the world would hire
1:06people from India and bring them to the
1:07United States you know both the United
1:10States and India were kind of mad at us
1:12cuz we were taking you know the smart
1:13people and moving them in India lot of
1:16kids also fight with their parents on
1:18inheritance have your kids ever spoken
1:20to
1:22[Music]
1:26you before we start today's episode all
1:30I want to say is thank you to each and
1:33every one of you I'm really grateful
1:36that we were able to sit down with one
1:39of the most influential men in the world
1:43the Bill
1:44Gates I have being this young boy who
1:47always used to hear stories about this
1:49man about the kind of money he has made
1:52the kind of lives he's impacting the
1:54kind of things he's building through
1:55Microsoft from there to be sitting in
1:59front of him
2:00it was surreal when I started the
2:02conversation you could see it on my face
2:04that I was really nervous really scared
2:06I didn't know what to talk about but as
2:08we went in the conversation the
2:11podcaster in me took over and we spoke
2:14about his fears his Mis understandings
2:17the mission and what is he doing today
2:20today I want you to see this episode
2:22from a lens of a 20-year-old sitting
2:25with Bill Gates and figuring out what
2:28goes on in his brain this episode is
2:31truly special because I could have never
2:35thought that Bill Gates will be on our
2:39podcast this soon in our journey I
2:41always had a belief that we will be able
2:44to sit down with the smartest people
2:48around the world but it happen this
2:51soon I can't believe this right now I
2:55just want you to enjoy this episode the
2:56way I did I want you to sink in that
2:59this is happening because it's not
3:01singing in with me and I just want to
3:04tell you that there are more episodes
3:06coming so keep supporting us and hit the
3:09Subscribe button right
3:14now welcome on figuring out sir I'll
3:17tell you a little story so during the
3:19pandemic me and my sister we were
3:22watching the Netflix documentry inside
3:24Bill's brain and halfway through it I
3:28told my sister that hey you know what
3:30like one day I'll sit with Bill Gates
3:33and I'll directly speak to him and get
3:36inside his brain and just randomly and
3:38she was laughing so this one's for
3:41you you did it so it's it's an
3:45opportunity I don't know how it just
3:47came out of my mouth and it's happening
3:49today so thank you so much for doing
3:51this well you've come to India quite
3:55often tell me something that You' have
3:58observed about India which a lot of
4:00people don't know about well people
4:02probably uh you know because they're
4:05here all the time you know they probably
4:07don't recognize how much things have
4:09changed you know if you go away and come
4:11back then you see wow you know the level
4:14of Entrepreneurship and the uh you know
4:18the amount of innovation that's actually
4:21taking place here uh it's pretty
4:24fantastic and you know for the
4:27foundation we've been here originally
4:30uh because a lot of the health
4:32challenges were here and we still care a
4:35lot about that but uh now a lot of our
4:38invention is being done here whether
4:41it's uh well vaccines obviously uh we
4:45have some incredible Partnerships but
4:47it's broadening to you know better seeds
4:51better
4:52Diagnostics uh you know the ways that we
4:55can use AI uh for health or education uh
4:59so the
5:00uh Innovation ecosystem has really
5:03exploded and that's going to be great
5:05for India it's going to be great for the
5:07world so when you meet other leaders
5:09around the world or when you meet your
5:11your billionaire friends what's the
5:13first thing you tell them about India is
5:15it the same thing what you just told me
5:18um yeah it's
5:20uh you know we've had such a great
5:23experience uh in our work in India um
5:28you know I encourage people to come and
5:31tap into uh the great things uh going
5:35on is there anything specific you tell
5:37them well you know my connection with
5:40India goes all the way back to the
5:41Microsoft days when you know we at first
5:45would hire people from India and bring
5:47them to the United States and you know
5:50both the United States and India were
5:51kind of mad at us because we were taking
5:54you know the smart people and moving
5:55them and uh you know then they came back
5:58here to India and created the Microsoft
6:00India uh work which has you know been
6:04absolutely fantastic so you know up
6:07until the year 2000 I mainly knew the
6:10tech uh scene so you know a lot of
6:14Bangalore
6:15hydrabad uh seeing the country more
6:18broadly you know that's in my foundation
6:21work so you know bear up um you know
6:26seeing you know where we could partner
6:29and and help with things uh you know I
6:32still want to take more vacation here
6:34I've done it a little bit but uh you
6:36know there's a lot of great places in
6:38India that I haven't been to talking
6:40about Microsoft and taking people from
6:42here to us uh people like
6:46satella Sunder paii there have been
6:49incredible CEOs around the world why do
6:52you think India is becoming a Global
6:55Talent capital for the world do you
6:57think anything special here which is how
7:01day well you know 20% of the world's
7:05people live here in India and India's
7:07had a particular emphasis on you know
7:11engineering software you know and turned
7:13out a lot of taught people and so when
7:17you get people like suar SATA who are
7:20both great at engineering and at
7:23management you know that's a a magic uh
7:27combination and you know so they you
7:31know these companies you know are
7:33looking anywhere in the world to find uh
7:36uh that mix and you know so India's
7:39getting about its fair share of those
7:42top leadership positions and you know it
7:44partly comes from having great
7:47universities uh you know not just the
7:50iits but starting with them um you know
7:54that's using the incredible Talent
7:57that's here
7:59so talking about Indian
8:01Talent you do a lot of philanthropy work
8:04here and you've met a lot of talented
8:06people here lot of rich people here as
8:10well do you and you believe that all the
8:14money that rich people have or like
8:16people who have made wealth for
8:17themselves they should use it for
8:19charity work they should pledge it in
8:21India there's a usually a lot of people
8:23believe that as parents is their duty to
8:26save everything for their kids for The
8:28Inheritance right like the kids will get
8:30everything what do you think is the
8:31right mindset using all the money for
8:35pledging and giving it back to the
8:36society or giving it to the
8:39children well I think you know everybody
8:42gets to decide on that you know in my
8:44case you know my kids got uh a great
8:51upbringing in education but you know
8:54less than 1% of the uh the total wealth
8:59um because I decided it wouldn't be a
9:01favor to them you know it's not a
9:03dynasty you know I'm not asking them to
9:06run Microsoft I want to give them a
9:08chance to have their own earnings and
9:11success you know be significant and not
9:13overshadowed by the incredible luck and
9:17good fortune I had and different
9:19families see that differently I think
9:21the people who've made uh fortunes from
9:25technology are less
9:27dynastic uh and you know so they they'll
9:32even you know take their capital and
9:35give a lot of that away you can have a
9:38view of giving away your capital or just
9:39giving away your earnings um and you of
9:43course I love all
9:44philanthropy uh but the tech sector is
9:47the probably the most aggressive
9:49about um you know giving most of it away
9:54not the other sectors you've not seen
9:55that in any other kind of industry where
9:58people try to give not to the same
10:00degree it tends to be uh giving more you
10:04know of the giving some portion of the
10:06profit as opposed to uh the the actual
10:11base Capital you know in India a lot of
10:15kids also fight their with their parents
10:17on inheritance have your kids ever
10:19spoken to you and be like hey why are
10:21you not giving us everything or anything
10:23has it ever happened um you know you
10:27don't want your kids to ever be confused
10:29used about your support for them and
10:32your love for them and so I do think
10:34explaining early on your
10:38philosophy uh you know that you're going
10:40to treat them all equally uh and that
10:42you're going to give them incredible
10:45opportunities uh but that you know the
10:47highest calling uh for these resources
10:51is uh to go back um to the neediest
10:56through the foundation and you know
10:58they've seen the success of the
11:00foundation I hope they're very proud of
11:03of the foundation and
11:06um uh so you know I I've seen cases
11:10where kids actually tell their parents
11:12to be more philanthropic you know I
11:14think the younger generation sometimes
11:16actually uh is pushing against this idea
11:21of uh uh you know the wealth just being
11:25passed down uh
11:27mostly um
11:29yeah so that's so you know every
11:31family's a a bit different I have last
11:34question on India and then we'll get to
11:36the foundation work and try to
11:38understand you as
11:40well if you get an opportunity to invite
11:44three Indians for dinner Dead or Alive
11:48who would there
11:50be well I get to spend time with you
11:53know some incredible uh people in Indian
11:57you know I get time with the prime
11:58minister and understand his
12:00vision uh and how we fit into that this
12:04you know
12:052047 uh uh thing that you know
12:08everything is lining up to try to
12:10achieve that you know I get to meet uh
12:14there was a a great scientist Raj Bond
12:16who created the uh Department of
12:20biotechnology uh there was a
12:22mathematician ramanan uh who I I would
12:25have loved to have met him because he
12:27was a uh you know almost mysterious how
12:31he was so genius at what he was able to
12:34do um you know the I got to work with
12:39rotten Tata I'm getting to work with all
12:41of the uh amazing philanthropists and uh
12:46a lot of the innovators here you know I
12:48get to see small companies early on I
12:51just went through uh some of these uh
12:54companies using Ai and health uh some
12:57Pro for profit a few
13:00uh
13:01nonprofit um you know we had a great
13:0425th
13:06uh uh 25 year celebration and this great
13:10sitar artist you know came and uh that
13:13was a pretty special thing uh so it' be
13:16hard for me to pick there's there's uh
13:18so many incredible talents you can't
13:21pick
13:22three I I I think I defend uh some
13:27people by not including them uh fair
13:31fair okay you were talking about small
13:34companies if you were to start something
13:37from zero in India
13:39today where would you put most of your
13:42time and what the first step you'll take
13:45well you'd mostly start a company
13:46because you think you enjoy working on
13:49something and you think you have a
13:51worldclass understanding of you know a
13:53unique contribution you know for me that
13:56was software for this day and age you
13:59know if you think you understand you
14:01know Fusion uh you know that's great if
14:04you're successful which uh that's risky
14:08um you know you could really improve the
14:10world you know AI is sort of the today's
14:14equivalent of what I did when I was
14:16young to see you know wow the
14:20possibilities are
14:23unlimited and so you know I'd probably
14:26be doing uh one of these new companies
14:30if I was starting out today is it do you
14:33still feel there's opportunity a lot of
14:35opportunities in AI to build something
14:37as significant as what you have built or
14:39it's pretty late well you know the big
14:42companies are uh putting a lot of money
14:46into it um and the number of companies
14:50globally is is a you know huge I mean
14:54you know many people didn't even know
14:56these Chinese companies were doing all
14:58this work and yet you know some of the
15:00best results over the last 6 months have
15:02come from three or four of the models
15:04there so it's not when I got going in
15:08Computing it was a very small set of
15:11people and you know people thought we
15:13were crazy that there we set a computer
15:16on every desk and a computer in every
15:18home and that just seemed strange to
15:21people because they couldn't see the
15:23they didn't get softw and they didn't
15:25get the uh exponential Improvement of
15:29the chips was making Computing you know
15:31basically free so it's I'd say it's
15:36tougher
15:37um to get out in
15:40front uh there will be new companies I
15:43mean Nvidia you know is almost as
15:46valuable as uh apple and
15:49Microsoft and
15:51yet uh you know they they you know came
15:55into prominence only really in the last
15:57five or six years although they're about
15:5915 years old so there are opportunities
16:02and there will be some new companies
16:05that use
16:06AI uh to achieve unbelievable success
16:09but it'll be you know two or three out
16:11of
16:1210,000 and you know would I be able to
16:14do that again hard to say you you talked
16:17about like when you started a lot of
16:20people thought that what are you doing
16:23this is some random thing these guys are
16:25trying to do they may be stupid they may
16:27be thinking too big whatever right and
16:30over the time every time you do
16:31something big usually people do not
16:35understand you or anyone like not just
16:38you like whoever wants to start
16:39something new and big in today's world
16:42or as of today what's the biggest
16:45misunderstanding about
16:47you what do you think what do people
16:49misunderstand about Bill Gates well
16:52whenever you hear about somebody who's
16:53got you know some degree of power or you
16:58know ridiculous amounts of
17:00money you know might you might think
17:02they have grand schemes uh you know and
17:05they're uh you know there's almost a
17:08sense that you know their their values
17:11are different than your values and you
17:14know that you should be concerned about
17:16their
17:17agenda um you know hopefully for the
17:21people who actually do know me um you
17:23know and how much I love uh the
17:26foundation work and you know how I work
17:29with my friends or my kids uh you know
17:32it's very different from the people who
17:34just think oh wow you know he's one of
17:36these guys who's you know pushing levers
17:39and uh has has too much money and and
17:42too much uh Authority so that people
17:46misunderstand about you
17:48and talking about misunderstanding do
17:51you have you made any major mistake that
17:53people do in
17:55about well some of my mistakes are very
17:57public I mean Microsoft uh you know we
18:00had lots of products that didn't work
18:02you know we did a a phone operating
18:04system and now uh you know Android you
18:07know took that position so I certainly
18:10you know messed that up uh uh in a in a
18:15huge way uh for the foundation you know
18:19we often have multiple plans you know we
18:22we wanted to have an HIV vaccine uh we
18:25don't have that yet you know we're
18:27working on a very cheap toilet but it's
18:30still too expensive uh so that's taking
18:33a lot longer we don't have polio
18:35eradication done I'm still uh very
18:38committed to that but it's it's taking a
18:40lot longer uh than than we thought it
18:43would so do talking about foundation
18:46work you've impacted millions of life
18:50and you spent a lot in making people's
18:53life better what's your biggest
18:55challenge today because some somebody on
19:00somebody who's watching this might think
19:02that at your level with so much power
19:06influence money you can actually fix a
19:08lot of problems what do you think is
19:10your problem like what challenges do you
19:12see
19:13here well I love the scientific
19:16challenges I mean we still don't fully
19:19understand
19:20malnutrition uh we have some tools to
19:23reduce it that it's super exciting uh
19:26but you know I'm really pushing our
19:29research workers uh hard that okay you
19:33know we need we need to know more about
19:37that you know I do think getting money
19:40to help the very poorest countries a lot
19:42of which are in Africa you know Asia you
19:45know uh many of the countries are having
19:49good economic growth and in
19:52Africa has a lot of
19:54unique uh governments or instability
19:59or disease challenges and
20:01so telling people they should you know
20:05help out uh other humans even though
20:08they're they're far away and speak a
20:10different
20:11language that's not as easy as I thought
20:13it would be uh you know right now some
20:16of the rich countries including my
20:17country are cutting their aid budgets
20:20and I'm I'm very disappointed uh you
20:23know to me that's not you know the
20:25golden rule of treating people like
20:28you'd like to be treated so what do you
20:30think all the people who are watching
20:32this including me uh young people should
20:35do so that we could convince more people
20:37to help other people well when you're
20:40young uh if you're here in India you
20:43know you can probably travel you know
20:46some modest distance an hour or to and
20:49see people you know who don't have the
20:51same opportunities you do that you know
20:54they're smart but their school's not
20:55good or you know they get uh some health
20:59problem and they're not able to access
21:02things I would say in India you know
21:04programs like the aspirational district
21:07program India does uh talk openly about
21:12the places that are the worst off and
21:14that's you know that's pretty impressive
21:16uh you know even issues like sanitation
21:18that governments most governments you
21:21know you wouldn't catch them talking
21:22about
21:24toilets uh you know this country you
21:27know took on pretty aggressive plan and
21:30made a lot of progress on that so you
21:34can go out and
21:35see uh people and develop empathy uh
21:39without going too
21:41far and you
21:44spent hours and hours and days in this
21:48country you spent Millions on vaccines
21:51and trying to take care of healthare
21:54challenges what's one problem you feel
21:57that money not
22:00fix
22:01H you know there's a lot of talk about
22:04uh
22:06obesity and uh you know when I saw the
22:10Prime Minister he was talking about
22:12various yoga type things that you know
22:14if people would adopt those but it's
22:16been hard you know not many countries
22:19have gotten the behavior change you know
22:21maybe India can Pioneer some approaches
22:24there but you know frankly and I'll
22:27sound like a technologist the most
22:29promising thing is actually uh a you
22:33know a drug a class of drugs called
22:36these glp1 drugs that you know are going
22:39to go off patent and become cheap and
22:42you know so I always like a you know I'm
22:43a little overfocused on a a scientific
22:46solution so maybe a combination of that
22:48behavior change and and the new tools
22:51but Behavior change is hard um we we
22:55haven't uh succeeded in that as as much
22:59as we'd like to that me one Behavior we
23:02all should
23:03adopt well you know the behavior that's
23:05helped me is is basically being a
23:08student all the time wanting to learn
23:11things and being pretty brutal with
23:13myself of do I really understand you
23:16know what's going on you know do I
23:19understand some AI thing or uh some
23:23disease thing and you know
23:26fortunately uh I can meet with people
23:28people who in many cases can help me
23:32understand and then you know knowledge
23:34if you're careful about building your
23:35your knowledge it all kind of connects
23:38together but uh you know reading a lot
23:41being a student you know having people
23:43who can teach me uh uh that's you know
23:48been not only fun for me but also a big
23:51part of My
23:53Success so all of people who are
23:55watching this actually feels pretty
23:58validated dated at this point good
24:01because this whole podcast is about
24:03learning from really really incredible
24:06people like you and we have so many
24:09questions that we just keep asking to
24:12learn more to learn more to get inside
24:13brains so thanks for
24:15validation
24:17perfect what's fascinating for me this
24:20time in your journey like this time your
24:22visit to India the full Gates Foundation
24:25board is your right and that's pretty
24:28unique and they get to experience
24:30India what what do you think what are
24:32your
24:33priorities with regards to this nation
24:36why the whole board is here what do you
24:38guys are trying to figure out what are
24:41the things that you're doing well as
24:43much progress as we've been part of
24:47achieving here in India there's still a
24:49lot to do uh you know the the child to
24:53death rate is about a third of what it
24:56was um but it's still
24:59almost three times higher than in a rich
25:01country uh so we you know we should all
25:04want to close that Gap uh that's uh
25:08Equity uh I mentioned
25:10malnutrition uh you know the country is
25:13very serious about that and yet um you
25:16know it means that your brain never
25:18develops and sadly if whatever dietary
25:23or disease things affect you uh during
25:28pregn pregnancy in your first year even
25:30if later you get a fantastic diet your
25:34brain and your physical uh capabilities
25:38they don't adjust you're you know sort
25:40of permanently affected and so um you
25:44know we're working with some great
25:46scientists here we have a lot of the
25:47tools of biology have gotten a lot
25:49better so I do think um you know in the
25:53next decade we'll totally get to the
25:55bottom of that uh and you know I'm I'm
25:59thrilled to do that and a lot of
26:01the scientists we partner with you know
26:04including some at icmr but you know lots
26:06of Institutions around the country uh
26:09they're also uh committed to that so you
26:14work here a lot and with the foundation
26:16you work around the world a lot of
26:18things and because of all of this
26:21passion and data and this intention to
26:25try to help people you've been pretty
26:28accurate in trying to understand Trends
26:31way before people like a normal people
26:34let's say you were pretty accurate in so
26:36many things in
26:37predicting so many epidemics as well is
26:40there something that you know which we
26:44don't like how do you spot these things
26:47way faster well the biggest change agent
26:51in my lifetime has been the the miracle
26:54of digital you know now uh moving into
26:58the AI phase of of that digital
27:01Revolution so the fact that as a young
27:03person you know I was programming at age
27:0713 and by you know 18 I had my you know
27:11thousands of hours of uh really strong
27:15feedback about you know getting better
27:17and uh being pushed uh and so to it's a
27:23really lucky thing to have such a
27:28familiarity with the thing that's going
27:30to change the world and so you know I
27:33wrote a book called the road ahead a
27:35long time ago you know that talked about
27:39uh you know the internet and digital
27:41money and uh video
27:44conferencing and then when I moved into
27:46the foundation work the health work you
27:49know people in that Community understand
27:51pandemics and you know so my saying hey
27:54you know there's a big risk and the
27:56thing that's going to K you know 10
27:59million additional people is likely to
28:01be a
28:02pandemic uh you know that's commonplace
28:05knowledge if you're in the global Health
28:07Community it's a very small community uh
28:10but I was just somebody who was listened
28:13to uh uh
28:16stating uh this and sadly you know most
28:20the people who listen to that prediction
28:22uh listen to it after it came true then
28:25you know what my goal was was people to
28:27hear the that and actually uh stop it
28:30from happening that's usually the case
28:33right like people listen
28:35to Pieces golden edwise pieces and
28:38pieces of nuggets way after the time has
28:40been passed right because of this do you
28:44fear anything today I definitely hope
28:48that we shape
28:49AI in a positive way it's such a big uh
28:55impact on you know
28:58being smarter than humans uh that it
29:02will change our world a lot um and it's
29:06you know it's it's definitely new
29:08territory so I have a list of about five
29:10things you know AI shaping AI properly
29:13is at the top of that list but you know
29:15avoiding the next pandemic avoiding
29:18nuclear war uh biot terrorism climate
29:21change it's only about five or six
29:23things that we need
29:25to um minimize
29:28the chance of um you know and use our
29:32additional wealth and insights you know
29:35against those things do you have any
29:37personal fear what's your biggest fear
29:39you know it's not like I'm afraid of
29:41heights or planes or fire or anything
29:43like that you know I hope I'm I'll be
29:47sad as my
29:48brain uh gets less capable you know
29:52which you know I'm as I turned 70 this
29:54year you know I'd be lucky to have 20
29:58years of you know being able to learn uh
30:02you know maybe I'll get lucky and get a
30:03little bit more but you know that
30:05disappoints me because I've had such a
30:09amazing time learning uh things and I I
30:13used to think of old people as not you
30:16know contributing all that much and now
30:18I've had to change my mind about how how
30:21important old people are uh do you do
30:25you feel difference I don't I don't all
30:28uh you know probably if I I took an IQ
30:31test I I would do a little bit worse
30:34than when I was
30:3525 uh but you know I've accumulated
30:38enough knowledge you know so
30:40wisdom uh you know can compensate a
30:42little bit for a slight uh reduction
30:46intelligence and I do think it's like a
30:47muscle that if you're pushing yourself
30:49to think and learn that you know you
30:54stay uh it really helps your capability
30:58a lot um but yeah I have a fear that you
31:03know I eventually I'll lose you know I
31:06won't want to pick up a 500 page book
31:08I'll look at it and go are you kidding
31:10uh I'm done with
31:11that so with age you have not felt any
31:14changes in your brain not really in
31:17terms of
31:19um wow no I don't think so um you know
31:23whenever you can't remember something
31:25you're like oh no now but uh
31:28uh you know so maybe a tiny bit of that
31:32but then you know it's just a little bit
31:34because you're you're looking for it you
31:37know when I was in my 20s if I could
31:38remember something I I was like so what
31:42uh uh so is there any change you feel
31:45because so Bill Gates of 25 and Bill
31:48Gates of 70 is there any change that you
31:51feel personally well in my 20s I was I
31:54chose to focus on one topic from you
31:57know 20 to about
32:0031 or two
32:03um I told myself hey I love biology and
32:08math and all these things but I want to
32:10be the person who's advancing software
32:15faster than anyone else and so I really
32:18did narrow my focus and I I didn't you
32:22know take much time off and I could stay
32:26in the office you know 72 hours and then
32:30crash um and so my
32:33adrenaline and was really unique now my
32:39understanding of how to manage people uh
32:42other than myself wasn't that that could
32:44you know i' I I look back
32:47and you know I've learned a lot since
32:50then but just my
32:52stamina uh and focus for that period of
32:55my life you know being kind of kind of a
32:58a
32:59maniac uh was was the right thing and
33:02you know I I you know my competitors
33:04would say oh no you work too hard and
33:06I'd say yes I do uh do you think that's
33:09a great advice for every young person
33:11who's watching maniac in your 20s it's
33:13not it's not for everyone um but if
33:17you're if you're in a
33:20race uh
33:22and you know the a little bit moving a
33:27little bit faster can make a a
33:30difference uh then yes your your 20s
33:33when you have no wife and no children uh
33:38that's the time to do it uh that's the
33:40time to be little maniac about certain
33:43things right you also just mentioned
33:45that you love learning which obviously
33:48the world knows but during this
33:49conversation also you just talked about
33:52it like a little bit again again what
33:54are you currently learning or what do
33:55you want to learn now well there's a lot
33:59going
34:00on uh you know AI just staying on top of
34:05that is you know I I very much enjoy
34:09that and I get to sit and talk with the
34:12top people at open Ai and I get to play
34:14around with things but then when you
34:16think okay now about what about AI
34:19applied to Mental Health Care uh you
34:22know isn't that one of the most exciting
34:24things because you know we can never
34:27have enough
34:28therapists uh and even people who
34:31aren't uh you know suffering massively
34:35you know maybe we could help uh
34:38even people with mild uh symptoms so you
34:42know what does this AI companion look
34:46like and you know how can
34:49that help us uh my friend Reed Hoffman
34:53uh just wrote a book called Super agency
34:55that he's got a really good about this
34:58so I'm pushing myself to try and
35:02understand uh you know what can we do
35:05there and meet the people who are you
35:08know pushing the the boundaries uh
35:10because I see such potential so what
35:13would you advise young people to start
35:17learning today and from where AI itself
35:20well if you have a mathematical mind you
35:24know not everyone should learn AI uh you
35:27know these tools are going to be
35:29available uh to everyone and so you
35:31ought to be a user of AI but the
35:35underlying stuff you know that's a
35:38pretty narrow set of people who will
35:39have an opportunity to uh you know push
35:43on a new Training Method um and even
35:47people who grew up with software some of
35:50them don't really get this because it's
35:52it's a bit more mathematical than it is
35:54just a a Programming type thing
35:59so it's as a user that okay if you you
36:03like doing creative work
36:05yes AI is going to change your world and
36:07AI hopefully can help you uh do things
36:12faster and better so my prescription
36:15would be yes to use it for the areas
36:18that you're excited about any area that
36:21you're excited about learn from learn
36:24about that and try to make a bridge
36:26between Ai and that industry right I
36:28mean the internet has so much
36:31educational material on it so between
36:34all that material uh and then an AI that
36:38can help you know take long documents
36:41and you can have a dialogue with it uh
36:44you know you can do it in text or you
36:46can you know now do these generate
36:48podcasts about things it's uh it's a
36:50great time to be a learner right you
36:52know when I was young I had to go to the
36:54library and you know read the
36:56encyclopedia alphabetically uh no
37:00multimedia uh this is a a paradise yeah
37:04thanks to you guys because you digal
37:07world Digital World you made it easy for
37:09us we don't know the world what it look
37:12like to go to library and read about
37:15something we get fidgety if we don't get
37:16an answer in 3
37:19seconds okay I have last two questions
37:21for you okay one is in your philanthropy
37:24work with the foundation how is in India
37:28contributing to your Global strategies
37:31well more and more of the
37:33Innovation um is been done in India uh
37:37India's you know got a depth of talent
37:41and a desire for Frugal Solutions and so
37:45even though the rich World us Europe you
37:48know we have a lot of talent and for
37:49some basic science thing like Immunology
37:52a lot of the new insights will keep
37:55coming uh from those in institutions but
37:58when it comes to actually putting the
38:00pieces together including something like
38:02AI for healthcare you know I was just
38:04meeting with a number of companies
38:06working on on very piece various pieces
38:09of that in India uh and so the you know
38:13we need better seeds and we need better
38:16weather advice for farmers and so
38:20although we're going to continue to do a
38:21lot of implementation here in India help
38:24you know get things rolled out uh more
38:27and more of our sort of product research
38:30uh work will be done here okay uh both
38:33because um it benefits India but you
38:37know we're also very good if if it's
38:40saving Indian children really working
38:43well you know our foundation has a lot
38:47of presence in Africa so even take you
38:50know the classic example where India was
38:52totally the leader on this digital
38:54public infrastructure the the digital
38:56money an identity adhar thing uh you
39:00know funding the Africans to come here
39:02and learn and uh for their budgets and
39:05create helping to create the open source
39:07software that makes it easy for them you
39:09know that's now a huge agenda item which
39:11is kind of a South South thing with a
39:14little bit of facilitation from us got
39:17it and here's the last question
39:21uh if you had if the world had to write
39:26one sentence
39:27next to the name Bill Gates what would
39:30you want them to write you know I don't
39:32do my work you know based on some epith
39:36uh you know ideally you know they'd say
39:39that wow there were these diseases
39:41around you know polio and malaria and uh
39:46malnutrition and you know now we don't
39:48have to think about that you know partly
39:51because uh he championed you know
39:55putting more
39:57uh great thinking and resources into
40:00ending those problems and so you know I
40:03hope people look at the word polio and
40:06go what was that uh you know when you
40:09read dickens's novels and they talk
40:11about somebody had consumption it's like
40:13what is that well that's actually TB so
40:15we still not in the UK we don't have
40:17much but we we we still do they just uh
40:21change the word so you know hopefully uh
40:25some problems that that we can actually
40:28finish uh and and then move on which
40:32problem do you think we'll be finishing
40:33well polio uh you know I I expect even
40:37in five years uh and that'll give us uh
40:41The credibility to go after things like
40:44malarian measles that's amazing oh it is
40:47it's going to be fun uh it's it's
40:49amazing in five years we can make that a
40:52reality it's going to be incredible for
40:56the humankind it's wow yeah it's only
40:58happened only once small poox was
41:00eliminated back in 1980 so you know
41:03polio of serious disease it's going to
41:05be the
41:06second wow I really truly wish that it
41:11happens faster than what we just talked
41:13about and I hope like more than by the
41:16time the foundation gets in full-fledged
41:19in the work I I believe instead of not
41:22two three there could be multiple of
41:24them so that you you lost counting that
41:26should be the goal and I'm expecting for
41:28it well thank you so much for doing this
41:30sir it was pleasure having you when I
41:34was a kid I was growing up in school
41:38just you were the richest uh person in
41:41the world and before I gave it away yeah
41:45so your name would pop up so just to
41:47talk about you and how you made your
41:49money was a proud feeling in school and
41:51in friend Circle everybody would respect
41:53you that oh you know so much about this
41:55person and that from there that kid
41:58sitting right in front of you and trying
42:01to you know being in a situation where
42:03I'm sitting with you and figuring out
42:05what's going on in your brain it's an
42:07incredible opportunity I'm so grateful
42:10thank you so much for doing this it's a
42:12dream come true great we'll have to do
42:14it again yes we need to I've got you on
42:17camera now thank you thank you pleasure
42:20I'm definitely nervous it's a big big
42:23big
42:27time it's time let's go I'm
42:31excited hi hi Raj how are you very good
42:36how are you pleasure meeting you so yes
42:39that's fun it's it's a pleasure seeing
42:41you Beau I'm pretty nervous at this
42:44point so uh just bear with me it be good
42:48good I had 500,000 things to talk to you
42:51and now I'm speechless and like there's
42:53nothing in
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