Bethany Hamilton On Her “Cancellation", Life After Viscous Shark Attack, Health & Her Future — Transcript
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- 0:00today we sit down with Bethany Hamilton
- 0:02she is an author a wife a mother a
- 0:04health and wellness Enthusiast and a
- 0:06professional Surfer Bethany was born and
- 0:08raised in Hawaii where she was well on
- 0:10her way towards becoming one of the best
- 0:12female Surfers of her time when tragedy
- 0:14struck on Halloween day
- 0:182003 then all of a sudden it just like I
- 0:21felt like a tug on my board right away I
- 0:24knew it was happening Bethany was
- 0:26attacked by a large tiger shark off the
- 0:28coast of kauwaii where she lost her
- 0:30entire left arm by the time she reached
- 0:32the hospital she had lost 60% of her
- 0:35blood but miraculously she survived you
- 0:38think you're going to surf again I think
- 0:41I know just 3 weeks after the horrific
- 0:44attack that almost ended her life with a
- 0:46bandage still on her arm Bethany was
- 0:49back in the water trying to recapture
- 0:51that dream of becoming a professional
- 0:53server in 2005 Bethany won her first
- 0:57national surfing title and in 2007 Just
- 1:004 years after she lost her arm her
- 1:02ultimate goal was achieved when she
- 1:04started competing on the professional
- 1:06surfing circuit more recently Bethany
- 1:09found herself in the news yet again only
- 1:11this time not everyone was standing
- 1:13behind her Hawaii Pro Surfer Bethany
- 1:15Hamilton says she will not compete in
- 1:17World surf League events because of its
- 1:19new rule that will allow transgender
- 1:21women to compete in women's surfing
- 1:24events Bethany is the kind of woman that
- 1:26stands up for what she believes in even
- 1:27when it's difficult she is demonstrating
- 1:30that you don't need easy you just need
- 1:32possible so without further Ado Bethany
- 1:36Hamilton Aloha Bethy yeah good to be
- 1:40here I had to throw in the aloho we were
- 1:41talking the car on the way over here I'm
- 1:43all about using the the pigeon when I
- 1:45can I got myoha shirt on today so he
- 1:47wore this for you I came prepared I love
- 1:49it but we are honored to have you here
- 1:52thank you so much for agreeing to do
- 1:53this really appreciate it yeah you have
- 1:56been one of our Dream guests from the
- 1:57very beginning a thank you we were
- 2:00talking about like who do we just really
- 2:01want to have on and then Bethany
- 2:03Hamilton was just like I have to have
- 2:04her because we've been huge fans for 20
- 2:07years uh something really funny is NAA
- 2:10who's our oldest their first daddy
- 2:12daughter date was to go see Soul Surfer
- 2:14a so sweet that was their first day out
- 2:17and they went to lunch and they saw Soul
- 2:19Surfer and then we bought the DVD and
- 2:22watched it 500 times and the soundtrack
- 2:25so yeah getting to know the real Bethany
- 2:28has been really interesting a thanks and
- 2:32you guys love sharpi and we love sharpi
- 2:34so yes oh my gosh I had sharpet through
- 2:38most of my childhood now we're dogless
- 2:41but I've always had a thing for the
- 2:44wrinkly rly Poli yeah I love every yeah
- 2:48we lost ours about four weeks ago he was
- 2:5114 and so we are also dogless but it was
- 2:55just it's always so fun to see like
- 2:57anytime that you had them like in your
- 2:59documentary to see the sharp we like
- 3:02oh cuz you don't meet very many people
- 3:04that have them no it's kind of more of a
- 3:06rare dog but I feel like in Hawaii
- 3:09there's a lot of like pit bulls and like
- 3:12just bigger dogs like more hunting es
- 3:17sort of dogs and then so my mom and I
- 3:19fell in love with Sharpes and we had a
- 3:22few over the years yeah I grew up with
- 3:25them too I started getting them in the
- 3:26'90s and then I talked him into it love
- 3:29them my favorite dog of all time for
- 3:31sure you got to Surf with one of your
- 3:33dogs correct at least one of your dogs
- 3:35um you know taking sharp is surfing
- 3:38they're not exactly water dogs so I was
- 3:41going to say our dog give the water it
- 3:43was hectic we were usually kind of uh
- 3:46you know I don't know uh getting
- 3:48scratched or um just holding our dog on
- 3:52the board making sure they didn't fall
- 3:54off yeah yeah yeah we got to see a
- 3:57couple shots was that your actual dog in
- 3:59the movie yes so we had our dog act as
- 4:03the dog in the movie Soul Surfer and
- 4:05that was not um great on the director
- 4:08because our dog wasn't super well
- 4:10trained like you know set dogs yeah but
- 4:14it was fun and we made it work yeah I
- 4:16think that's amazing so how is it having
- 4:19somebody play you in a movie it's
- 4:23interesting I mean I am definitely a
- 4:26rare human in that not many people are
- 4:29are still living their life while having
- 4:32an actor play them so when we filmed um
- 4:36Soul Sur for the movie I was like 19 or
- 4:4020 and so I still had a lot of Life to
- 4:43Live you know and so it was weird
- 4:47picking out someone to play me I
- 4:48remember at the time it was like the top
- 4:51picks were Dakota Fanning h a Sophia Rob
- 4:54who ended up playing me and a couple
- 4:56other girls
- 4:58and yeah it's just weird because too a
- 5:02lot of young people will like become a
- 5:05fan of the actor when I'm like the real
- 5:08person but I think like there's a bit of
- 5:10a crossover there too and
- 5:14so yeah I don't know it's weird yeah I
- 5:16can't imagine it 19 I know there're so
- 5:19it's so funny because like I they watch
- 5:22the movie our kids watch the movie and
- 5:24then when we watch Unstoppable they were
- 5:26like oh that's Bethany Hamilton so it
- 5:29was so for them and so they were very
- 5:31excited to meet the real Bethany
- 5:33Hamilton because the actress that plays
- 5:36you they're like oh that's AOA girl or
- 5:38that's that's a Willy Wonka girl that
- 5:40choose the bubble gum so so different
- 5:43but yeah it's been fun um are you still
- 5:46competitively
- 5:47surfing um yeah I mean I did an event
- 5:50this year um but I don't have any events
- 5:53on my schedule right now I'm still
- 5:55surfing at a high level but I also have
- 5:57four children so I have like a uni unque
- 6:00season I would say I'm like mostly done
- 6:02but if an event pops up here and there
- 6:04I'm down I also prefer to compete in
- 6:08like really good waves so a lot of the
- 6:09events aren't held in good waves so I'm
- 6:12kind of like okay if an event pops up in
- 6:14good waves then I'm excited to jump in
- 6:17yeah what is your preference what is a
- 6:18good wave to you I mean preferably on a
- 6:21reef growing up in Hawaii we have just
- 6:24such incredible waves it's kind of hard
- 6:26to leave because you go elsewhere and
- 6:29like I competing from the age of uh 10
- 6:33to now
- 6:36internationally um over the years you
- 6:39know and we would travel all over the
- 6:41world and then the waves were always
- 6:44just subpar compared to where I am from
- 6:47and where I grew up and the type of
- 6:49waves I'm you know always surfing and
- 6:51so um but yeah I just really like strong
- 6:55powerful Reef waves in particular and um
- 6:59but I mean a good wave is a good wave
- 7:01wherever you end up going like I've had
- 7:03incredible waves all over the world so
- 7:06yeah it's just such a different
- 7:07lifestyle or like our dream is you know
- 7:10to not go to Disney World but to go to
- 7:13like you know an epic surf spot yeah
- 7:16that's so amazing you know what's crazy
- 7:17is growing up in Hawaii myself is
- 7:19actually became aware of you when at a
- 7:21very young age for me I remember seeing
- 7:23you uh competing I think it was
- 7:24somewhere in wakei um in like a some
- 7:26kind of a Youth Event um in like the
- 7:30early mid mid 90s I guess get R it was
- 7:32on like Oceanic Cable I remember
- 7:33watching probably CH like the China Ura
- 7:36classic women's event or I did a bunch
- 7:40of wyi events and I remember like it was
- 7:43crazy because this was before I lost my
- 7:45arm and I had um I got on the news so it
- 7:50was like big for me as like a little
- 7:52girl you know and then I was like in the
- 7:53newspaper too yeah so that's what was so
- 7:57crazy about when I did lose my arm I was
- 8:00pretty well known within at least Hawaii
- 8:03and then even I had finished second in
- 8:05the national title um at 13 with with
- 8:09two
- 8:10arms uh 18 and under so it was like a
- 8:14really successful result for a
- 8:1713-year-old and so my name was kind of
- 8:19already buzzing so when my event
- 8:21happened like it went like super viral
- 8:25not social media viral just like news
- 8:28like all the time
- 8:30because at that time I think my space
- 8:32was just getting going or maybe maybe
- 8:34early days Facebook but it wasn't really
- 8:37like a big thing yeah yeah it was just
- 8:39where people shared pictures and they
- 8:40had the song playing on your profile
- 8:42yeah it wasn't like it is now so and you
- 8:45even imagine what that wave of media
- 8:48would have been like had it been so much
- 8:50later oh my gosh yeah now but then it
- 8:52would have like been a wave and then
- 8:54it's instantly over like one day later
- 8:57that's true that's true yeah I remember
- 8:59remember seeing I'm like Oprah and Ellen
- 9:01and everything you were so little you're
- 9:03just a little girl so that had to have
- 9:05been so scary did you enjoy doing all
- 9:08that media back then no I hated doing
- 9:11interviews but I did have a heart for
- 9:14other people and so once I started
- 9:16surfing with one
- 9:17arm um I think just my story went even
- 9:22more viral because people attached on to
- 9:25like that courage and the ab the
- 9:28willingness to keep trying and to
- 9:31overcome and so it was amazing like I
- 9:34would receive letters from all of all
- 9:36over the world all different walks of
- 9:38lives all different types of passions
- 9:40all different types of
- 9:42challenges and so that really like
- 9:46encouraged me I guess to share my story
- 9:48you know I think my mom and dad kind of
- 9:50led me along too like hey look we can be
- 9:53an encouragement so let's go and share
- 9:56your story and So eventually fast
- 9:58forward I went to writing my book which
- 10:01I didn't really write it I was a part of
- 10:03that Journey but it was like kind of
- 10:05like my mom and my pastor friend who is
- 10:07a writer and um in my head as my teenage
- 10:12self was just like all I wanted to do
- 10:14you know was be with my friends and go
- 10:16surfing um but then I wrote and then we
- 10:19worked on the book and I was like okay I
- 10:20don't have to tell my story now cuz
- 10:22people can just read it yeah but then
- 10:25there's the whole like you got to do a
- 10:27media tour now little one and you didn't
- 10:29know that I didn't understand that
- 10:32concept and so literally I'm like flying
- 10:34in New York City I did like 30
- 10:37interviews or more and I was so mad I
- 10:42was just so angry was like get me out of
- 10:46this place like I just wanted to go home
- 10:48and go surf so surfing to me was so much
- 10:51more than just like my Sport and passion
- 10:54it was also like a little bit of an
- 10:56outlet and safety place and like an esap
- 10:59escape from everything on land and I
- 11:01would still say the same thing to this
- 11:03day like getting in the ocean I'm lucky
- 11:06enough as a mom to like my hubby will
- 11:08let me get out there and so I'll sneak
- 11:11away and get in the ocean and it's just
- 11:13such a place of Rejuvenation and like I
- 11:16don't know place to be present and to
- 11:19just be creative and enjoy God's
- 11:21beautiful creation and so from teenagers
- 11:25to Mom life it's like my little Safe
- 11:28Haven yeah I mean sense it's almost like
- 11:30the world can't get you out there yeah
- 11:32and specifically like obviously we can
- 11:34bring things in our mind but when you're
- 11:36up and riding on a wave you're not
- 11:39thinking about the list of things to do
- 11:42or the mountain of laundry or the
- 11:44interview coming up you're just thinking
- 11:46about riding that wave and so I'm not
- 11:50like really like a new Agy but I I do
- 11:52love the idea of just being like fully
- 11:54present and now with like technology and
- 11:57devices and the endless to-do list and
- 12:00like the responding the emails and text
- 12:02messages and calling this person and
- 12:04that person like I think everyone at
- 12:07times just feels distracted or pulled in
- 12:10some direction maybe it's social media
- 12:13maybe it's binging TV shows um whatever
- 12:16it may be like I love that the ocean is
- 12:20a place where I can't bring anything
- 12:22with me especially when I'm up in
- 12:24writing a wave and it's just a place to
- 12:26like kind of rejuvenate and um kind of
- 12:29slow down so I think for me like growing
- 12:33up in Hawaii I grew up with like a
- 12:36really raw natural childhood like I
- 12:39wasn't on a device I was like climbing
- 12:42lava rocks diving into the ocean looking
- 12:45for shells riding Turtles like body
- 12:49surfing like doing so many fun things
- 12:52and I like look at our young people now
- 12:54and I'm just like what are we doing to
- 12:57our young children like now you see
- 13:00children on the side of the road like
- 13:01I'll just be driving by and then the
- 13:03other day we we were heading to the
- 13:05airport we in uh the East Coast Delaware
- 13:08and 6:00 in the morning you see two
- 13:10teenage kids just hunched over looking
- 13:13at their devices they didn't look happy
- 13:16they didn't look like they were being
- 13:17creative they didn't look like they were
- 13:19healthy either and to me that's so
- 13:22devastating to see the way our people
- 13:25are growing up and the lack of um
- 13:28inspiration they have for life so to say
- 13:32and so yeah I don't know where I was
- 13:34going there I just like I'm so
- 13:37passionate about being in nature because
- 13:39I think nature brings out the best of us
- 13:42so I love that and I'm with you that's
- 13:44everything I miss about Hawaii growing
- 13:45up there not that I was surfing on your
- 13:47level but just spending time out on the
- 13:48ocean was a place of uh healing like you
- 13:50said finding God and U you know just
- 13:52sitting out between sets waiting on the
- 13:54next set to roll in a nice Sunset just
- 13:56um yeah devoting that that time and
- 13:59attention to God and creation and being
- 14:01very grateful it's what I miss maybe the
- 14:03most about for sure um love you had to
- 14:06say there about our young people you are
- 14:07running a camp correct for moms and
- 14:09daughters yeah so the last couple of
- 14:11years I started a motherdaughter
- 14:14mentorship program and the idea is to
- 14:17like talk about all the hard subjects
- 14:20like anxiety depression Health um dating
- 14:26drugs and alcohol um conflict the mother
- 14:30daughter relationship and relationships
- 14:33across the board and then like adding in
- 14:36a inperson element so some people come
- 14:39and do like a retreat or a surf day with
- 14:41me and it's just been really cool to be
- 14:44a part of it I have a heart for teenage
- 14:46um girls and teenagers across the board
- 14:49because I have three boys but I look it
- 14:52back on my life and you know I don't
- 14:54really like celebrating myself so to say
- 14:57but like I look at 13 18-year-old
- 14:59Bethany and I'm like why was she so
- 15:01resilient and I really attribute a lot
- 15:03of it to one my faith in God and but two
- 15:08like my relationship with my mom in
- 15:11particular and the way she and I um
- 15:14bonded um in my early tween and then
- 15:18teenage years and just just having that
- 15:21foundation in my own like home and my
- 15:24dad too I mean my dad was super awesome
- 15:27he was just awesome in his own way like
- 15:28he was more like the sport dad like you
- 15:31know he would do special like surf trips
- 15:33with me or you know we'd drive to the
- 15:35other side of the island at 4 in the
- 15:37morning and go surfing and um just like
- 15:40special things like that but um yeah I
- 15:44feel like culture now pulls children
- 15:47away from their parents and their family
- 15:51and this
- 15:53unknowingly separates that Bond and that
- 15:56relationship and so are young people are
- 15:59way less confident and way less um kind
- 16:03of sure of themselves so that when the
- 16:05conflict hits they're maybe not as
- 16:08resilient as they could be obviously
- 16:11there's always going to be that
- 16:12resilient one and we all have a bit of a
- 16:14resilient in us but um yeah I just for
- 16:18me I just wanted to recreate something
- 16:20like that and just a a space for like if
- 16:24Mom is struggling with her daughter it's
- 16:26a space for them to like devote time to
- 16:29one another and to like rekindle that
- 16:31relationship that is so and I have a lot
- 16:34of motion motion like there we go we
- 16:38made it go so funny so I have like big
- 16:42dreams cuz I'm a mom of three boys too
- 16:44and my husband's amazing so I hope to do
- 16:47like a Father's son one day um plus all
- 16:50the moms are like can you do one for my
- 16:52son and my husband and so yeah it's been
- 16:54a cool Journey though just seeing like
- 16:57young girls lives transform like the big
- 16:59thing I've noticed is there's a lot of
- 17:01anxiety in our young people and
- 17:03depression and kind of hopelessness and
- 17:06so trying to like reillumination
- 17:29you are very resilient and you are very
- 17:31like this badass girl that stands up for
- 17:34what she believes in but at the same
- 17:36time it's it wasn't just a story of like
- 17:38up up up success like you show when
- 17:42you're frustrated and you show and you
- 17:45talk about like I would come in crying I
- 17:47would come in feeling defeated and
- 17:48that's real and it's so helpful to hear
- 17:51somebody that we look up to say I had
- 17:55those days too where I just felt so
- 17:57defeated and
- 17:59I it there's it's just brings a lot of
- 18:01Hope because I have days where I feel
- 18:03defeated at the end of the day and so
- 18:05it's nice to hear that it's not
- 18:08relatable you know when it's just up and
- 18:10away and so I have that little there's
- 18:13this little clip of you when you were
- 18:14still in the hospital when somebody I
- 18:16don't know who it was asked you like
- 18:17what's next Bethany and you just said I
- 18:20don't know yeah and it broke my mom
- 18:23heart because I think to hear your kids
- 18:24say that you'd feel like you'd want to
- 18:26fix that yes totally
- 18:29I know my mom did such a good job of
- 18:31navigating that but my mom actually
- 18:33didn't think I could surf again really
- 18:36my mom was like let's move to the
- 18:37mountains and you can learn to snowboard
- 18:39or how about you take on photography she
- 18:41was trying to fix it but she didn't
- 18:43think I would be able to serve and so
- 18:46that was like an interesting like little
- 18:48mom moment where as amazing as my mom
- 18:51was she didn't she couldn't she didn't
- 18:54have the resilience that even I had and
- 18:57so once I set myom mind on wanting to
- 19:00learn how to surf I uh I was just all in
- 19:05it was like I'm going to try this I
- 19:07don't know if I'll be able to do it but
- 19:09I want to try and so I popped up on my
- 19:12third wave um the first day back in the
- 19:15water and rode it all the way to the
- 19:17beach it was just like a small little
- 19:19simple wave but it felt like one of the
- 19:20best waves in my life and then from
- 19:24there there was just no turning back and
- 19:27I you know I couldn't have dreamed my
- 19:29future I just was willing to try and put
- 19:32myself out there and do what I didn't
- 19:33know anyone else had done like I didn't
- 19:35know anyone with one arm let alone a one
- 19:38arm Surfer and so for me it was very
- 19:41much like you know exploring unknown
- 19:44territory yeah and you did actually end
- 19:46up winning at Nationals didn't you yeah
- 19:48so I went back to competing um the the
- 19:53following I lost my arm in October
- 19:56started competing in January made the
- 19:59national final that next summer and then
- 20:02the summer following I won a national
- 20:05title so that was pretty crazy I'm
- 20:07pretty cool that had to have just been
- 20:09amazing after everything and working
- 20:11your way up to just like yes I can do it
- 20:15yeah and I was too like I was competing
- 20:19against all the people I'd grown up with
- 20:22and you know a lot of those girls went
- 20:24on to win national or World titles so
- 20:27there wasn't El of like maybe I didn't
- 20:29fully reach my potential that I could
- 20:31have if I had had two arms but then I
- 20:34look at my life from a nons surfer
- 20:37perspective and just the ripple effect
- 20:39that my life has had on the world around
- 20:42me and it's just so beautiful to see how
- 20:45God has taken something so awful and
- 20:47turned it into something so beautiful
- 20:49and um yeah I'm just grateful for the
- 20:53life that I do have yeah it's it's a
- 20:55beautiful example to people to just
- 20:57overcome and Ne go for it and do you
- 21:00ever sit there and wonder what would
- 21:01have been or do you just not let your
- 21:03brain go there or I don't really go
- 21:05there too much cuz I don't really feel
- 21:07like that's very healthy yeah um and I
- 21:11look at my life that I do have and I
- 21:13have like four beautiful children a
- 21:16wonderful husband and just so much that
- 21:19I look forward to every single day and
- 21:21I'm just like I might not have any of
- 21:23that my life could be totally different
- 21:26you know I think of like my peers and
- 21:28surfing I'm like the only one well one
- 21:31of my friends has a child but not many
- 21:34of them have children and I just feel
- 21:37like that's like the greatest blessing
- 21:38in life is my my children and I'm just
- 21:42like w what would my life have looked
- 21:44like you know I guess I could think like
- 21:46that but I almost am like whoa I hope
- 21:49that I would have even like you know
- 21:52hopefully had a child by now
- 21:56um anyway I don't know where I'm going
- 21:58with that like I
- 22:00just I'm grateful I feel like God's plan
- 22:02for my life is better than my own yeah
- 22:05sometimes he does disrupt our plans
- 22:07doesn't he he's it's almost like he
- 22:09protects us from going down the wrong
- 22:11way even if it's like this horrible road
- 22:13block that like why would you do this to
- 22:15me but he's actually putting you in a
- 22:17different direction that is so much
- 22:19better speaking of your husband Adam
- 22:21he's from Kansas originally is that
- 22:22correct so he grew up in Kansas and he
- 22:25was supposed to be here but our little
- 22:27guys got sick and I don't know we didn't
- 22:30feel like dealing with a babysitter when
- 22:32they're sick they've been pretty
- 22:33clingy and and a sweet and beautiful way
- 22:37of course but um he grew up in Kansas
- 22:41and so now he lives in Hawaii cuz once
- 22:44he met me I'm like I ain't leaving so
- 22:46you're either staying or we're not going
- 22:48to work it seems like that'd be a pretty
- 22:49easy choice though you know it has its
- 22:53pros and cons like I think it was a hard
- 22:55adjustment for him after like a few
- 22:58years um like he did really well the
- 23:01first couple years he was really
- 23:02immersed in the culture he was working
- 23:05with a organization called young life
- 23:07and he was starting it up on the west
- 23:09side of kwaii so it's like kind of like
- 23:11the harder area of the island like a lot
- 23:14of family abuse a lot of hardship and
- 23:17like I would say some quite a bit of
- 23:19child neglect um and so here comes this
- 23:23big 6'4 like super loving super friendly
- 23:28um
- 23:29you know Caucasian guy and he's like
- 23:32coaching football he's doing substitute
- 23:35teaching he's like fully immersed in the
- 23:38culture and so that was kind of cool
- 23:40because I grew up I was born and raised
- 23:43in haai and so there's definitely a
- 23:45cultural difference you know a lot of
- 23:47people don't really understand and so it
- 23:50was nice when I met him he understood
- 23:54Hawaii he was like really thrown into
- 23:56the thick of it right early on
- 23:59and but yeah I mean it was a hard
- 24:01adjustment phase for sure and you know
- 24:04being away from his family is for sure
- 24:06hard but I would say now in hindsight
- 24:09he's stoked and he loves it and he surfs
- 24:12a bit but he doesn't have like quite the
- 24:14passion that I do so it's nice for me
- 24:17cuz I get priority he's like okay you go
- 24:19surf are firing and I'll get leftovers
- 24:23if there's any um you know anything left
- 24:25yeah and he'll be on the beach playing
- 24:27with the kids or the baby ways yeah so I
- 24:30mean um but the thing is like being from
- 24:33Kansas he's a super athlete and then he
- 24:35like going into the ocean he's super
- 24:37humbled cuz the ocean is just a whole
- 24:40different ball game it doesn't matter
- 24:41how athletic you are surfing is super
- 24:44hard and so he was definitely humbled by
- 24:47surfing and um we joke lately I'm like
- 24:50are our almost nine-year-old is going to
- 24:52be better than you any day now H good I
- 24:56saw him on The Little Wave he's good
- 24:59he's super good I'm like hun you got
- 25:01like two more ears and TOS is going to
- 25:03be spraying you in the face it's amazing
- 25:06he definitely got mom's jeans yes crazy
- 25:09so I came up I was just you know going
- 25:12through my Instagram and I saw a photo
- 25:15of you standing there looking beautiful
- 25:17in your bikini with I stand up for what
- 25:20I believe in I was like what happened
- 25:21cuz I knew like that it was such a
- 25:24strong post but you always do everything
- 25:27with such Grace like you can be fired up
- 25:30about something but yet you approach it
- 25:33without I don't know just so gracefully
- 25:35I'm need to learn from you cuz I get all
- 25:37heated and then I'm
- 25:39like so something that we've talked
- 25:41about quite a bit actually on our
- 25:42podcast we actually talked about you and
- 25:44Riley and was when all of a sudden Title
- 25:479 starts changing so you've already been
- 25:50through so much learning how to surf
- 25:52with one arm becoming a pro Surfer
- 25:55you've overcome all these things and all
- 25:57of a sudden
- 25:58you he you get an email saying hey
- 26:02biological males may be surfing against
- 26:05women and like what is what does that do
- 26:08to your psyche as yeah well I mean we
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- 27:25let's get back to our conversation with
- 27:26Bethany Hamilton well I mean we had kind
- 27:29of foreseen it coming because it was
- 27:31already happening in a lot of other
- 27:33sports and I had sens that it was going
- 27:35to come to surfing but then the way it
- 27:38did come was just in an email one
- 27:40morning like oh we rule change like
- 27:43biological meals can not compete with
- 27:45females as long as their testosterone is
- 27:47at this level and they've been taking a
- 27:50certain sort of hormone replacement for
- 27:52like a minimum of 3 months or I don't
- 27:55remember the exact details I'm probably
- 27:57getting that wrong so you guys can go
- 27:58fact check yourself um but so I received
- 28:03that and I'm surfing in an event in aahu
- 28:06and at the point at that time or and
- 28:09still there hasn't been any like major
- 28:12males competing in the main League of
- 28:16female um performance surfing so
- 28:19shortboard there is one male competing
- 28:22in the longboard Division and that
- 28:25individual is um smoking chicks so it's
- 28:29super
- 28:30frustrating but and that individual also
- 28:33won a male event like a couple years
- 28:35before he won the female event so to me
- 28:38that's just like what in the world is
- 28:40going on and why are we so okay with
- 28:43this um but to me I just like surfing is
- 28:47a sport where it no doubt like males
- 28:51surf substantially better than the
- 28:53females their strength their paddling
- 28:55abilities their strength in their leg
- 28:58and their torso it's just substantially
- 29:00different like while there are a handful
- 29:03of girls that are absolutely like we're
- 29:05all like incredible in our own way and
- 29:07we're pushing our sport in such an
- 29:09incredible ways but um I don't know why
- 29:12I feel like I have to even talk about
- 29:14that because it doesn't really matter at
- 29:16the end of the day yeah but um yeah it's
- 29:19just wild to me and it was pretty lonely
- 29:22I was basically the only female surfer
- 29:24that spoke up about like against it and
- 29:28the thing I've been pondering lately is
- 29:30like why is everyone so scared like the
- 29:33fact that Society is scared to speak up
- 29:36about something that is important and
- 29:38that does matter for a you know this
- 29:42next generation of upand cominging ath
- 29:45athletic girls like it's so wrong to me
- 29:48that Society is at this point of like
- 29:51being too scared to speak what they
- 29:53believe because they think that they're
- 29:55going to be considered mean or phobic or
- 30:00um you know an awful person and so that
- 30:05to me is really sad and unfortunate and
- 30:08I also feel like there's a need to call
- 30:10out like none of the previous women
- 30:13World Champs spoke out for female sports
- 30:17and I'm like you guys literally have
- 30:19nothing to lose and they're not willing
- 30:22to speak up for the next generation and
- 30:26so I think there's this element of like
- 30:29you don't know what you got until you
- 30:31lose it and so at some point like if
- 30:34things don't change at some point the
- 30:37girls are going to lose what they've got
- 30:39right and so that will be super sad but
- 30:42maybe it has to get to that point for
- 30:44the girls to realize that you can't just
- 30:47um be laxidasical and let go of
- 30:50something that you have just in the
- 30:52namesake of like the loudest voices um
- 30:56who think that they can just control
- 30:58Society right yeah because it is a vocal
- 31:01minority I think we could all
- 31:02acknowledge that and amongst your female
- 31:04competitors was there was the General
- 31:06consensus that hey this is this is
- 31:09garbage yeah I think probably at least
- 31:1270% um are pretty like not for it maybe
- 31:17more I would hope more but you know some
- 31:20people just feel like they're being mean
- 31:22and so they're almost like being
- 31:24brainwashed to think like oh I'm being
- 31:26mean if I don't in include everyone but
- 31:29the truth is like you're not being mean
- 31:31like it's just simply not fair game for
- 31:34males to compete in the female Division
- 31:36and you girls will be taken advantage of
- 31:39if you don't speak up because the
- 31:43strength differences are just undeniable
- 31:47they are what they are yeah it's the
- 31:48most infuriating part of it for me is
- 31:49that every time something like this has
- 31:51rear its ugly head is is the the silenc
- 31:53amongst those who should be the most
- 31:55outspoken so credit to you for for in
- 31:58and I will say like the world surf
- 32:00League made everyone sign a
- 32:01non-disclosure agreement at the start of
- 32:03the year and they that we they would the
- 32:07athletes would be fined
- 32:09$10,000 and that they would be um
- 32:12removed from the world surf league so
- 32:15there is an element of like losing their
- 32:17entire career and there are no males in
- 32:20like the main surf League competing in
- 32:22the female division yet uh they are in
- 32:25the longboard but um
- 32:28yeah so there's kind of an element of
- 32:30like well there's no risk quite yet you
- 32:32know so let's just be like silent and
- 32:35milk it while we can you know yeah I
- 32:37always wonder when you see it happening
- 32:39in the high schools and the colleges
- 32:41it's I don't know how parents bring
- 32:43their daughters to an event that they
- 32:45know they can't win like why not why
- 32:47doesn't the whole team just say no and
- 32:49then maybe this nonsense would stop
- 32:50totally totally you know like all it
- 32:53takes is everyone saying no and so the
- 32:55lack of unity is the problem
- 32:58and I would not allow my daughter to
- 33:00compete against a male if it was um in a
- 33:05setting that was truly unfair cuz for
- 33:08example I've competed in a male event uh
- 33:11in Bali at ping pang and I chose to
- 33:15enter that event like it's more of a
- 33:17specialty event and like it's totally
- 33:19fine like but like to take you
- 33:23know a a potential like women's world
- 33:27title like that is a major issue
- 33:30scholarships you see these little boys
- 33:34just smoking past the girls and
- 33:36different running events beating them by
- 33:38seconds and taking scholarships and
- 33:41titles away from them and it just is so
- 33:44frustrating to see and I don't
- 33:45understand where the parents' heads are
- 33:46at yeah totally I think it's just the
- 33:50society as a whole being very
- 33:52laxidasical
- 33:53and it takes work and effort like I put
- 33:57more like mind time into that than I
- 34:01would have liked like you know I have a
- 34:02lot going on I have four children it's
- 34:04not like I want to be thinking about
- 34:06this subject all the time and it's not
- 34:09like I'm out there campaigning all the
- 34:11time for female sports but I just like
- 34:14make it known that I'm not for this and
- 34:18um just try to empower our next
- 34:20Generation to like know is a healthy
- 34:23boundary to have in the right time and
- 34:25place and if you can't learn to say no
- 34:29like your life is going to have a lot of
- 34:31problems and you will be taken advantage
- 34:33of in a lot of different ways and so
- 34:36it's important to teach our young people
- 34:37to say no um in a lot of different ways
- 34:41um you know it's so true and this is
- 34:44just one way yeah that is so true that's
- 34:46such a good thing to teach especially
- 34:47our girls but just children in general
- 34:50the power of know can bring so much
- 34:51peace into your life you don't do things
- 34:53you don't want to do you're you don't
- 34:55find yourself at parties where you're
- 34:56like why am I here like so much power in
- 34:58no you're still learning sometimes I
- 35:01know sometimes I still end up at parties
- 35:03I don't want to be at
- 35:04going yeah he's really good at saying no
- 35:08to things and then I start I try to be
- 35:11the and the Yang you know it's or you
- 35:14know like I feel like my husband and I
- 35:16are like that I'm like no and he's like
- 35:18I'm like no well I thought it was really
- 35:21Brave and I loved your one minute video
- 35:23you were so respectful in it and you
- 35:24really just posed questions you asked a
- 35:26lot of important and practical questions
- 35:29but there was a lot of backlash from the
- 35:31world what happened but there was a lot
- 35:34of backlash I tried not to look cuz I
- 35:36was like this isn't going to be good for
- 35:37my mental health yes and the fact that
- 35:41you know no matter what end of the
- 35:43spectrum of life you your World Views
- 35:46are at like being mean is not okay no
- 35:49and I saw some really dark sides of
- 35:51people like they're like I hope a shark
- 35:53bites off your other arm like I hope
- 35:55you're dead like I'm like w cuz I don't
- 35:58want males and female sports like y'all
- 36:00are
- 36:01insane but let's point out that no
- 36:04matter what side of the political
- 36:06Spectrum you're on there's mean people
- 36:09everywhere like in every um you know end
- 36:13of the spectrum so to say and so the
- 36:15unfortunate thing is a lot of times the
- 36:18mean people are the loudest ones but
- 36:20there's a lot of people in the middle
- 36:22that are actually just nice and um but
- 36:25you can still have your opinion and your
- 36:28World Views and to me it's like
- 36:31important to like talk about these sort
- 36:33of things with our children because you
- 36:35kind of don't want to become the mean
- 36:38loud person right but you also don't
- 36:40want to be the hyper silent passive
- 36:42person so it's like finding that balance
- 36:45in life and um having these important
- 36:48conversations with our children because
- 36:50the way our society is going right now
- 36:52and it's like lately there's been Wars
- 36:55going on on college campuses fighting
- 36:57about other Wars and I'm like wait how
- 36:59is this being productive like we're
- 37:01literally fighting here in the US about
- 37:04wars over somewhere else and while I
- 37:07think war is super unfortunate and I
- 37:09hate that there's death no matter what
- 37:11side of the war they're on I like I hate
- 37:14that there's innocent death um there's
- 37:17still like probably a better way to to
- 37:20you know work through these World issues
- 37:24um that isn't so aggressive and mean and
- 37:27harsh and you know maybe I've even felt
- 37:30like aggressive and harsh at times
- 37:33towards certain subjects but trying to
- 37:37work through that and like find my calm
- 37:39and peace again and like figure out a
- 37:42better way of facing these issues
- 37:44because it's not healthy for ourselves
- 37:46to also be like living in anger or you
- 37:50know loudness or frustration and so I
- 37:53feel like 2020 and 2021 taught me a lot
- 37:56about that because I don't want to be
- 37:58angry about things all the time like I
- 38:01want to be able to love my family well
- 38:03and if you're fuming with anger then
- 38:05that anger is going to come out in a lot
- 38:06of different ways and so being able to
- 38:09work through um our disappointments and
- 38:12our
- 38:13frustrations and try to you know find
- 38:15some level head yeah yeah that's that's
- 38:18probably like so much of the
- 38:20conversations that go on inside of your
- 38:21home or in your own head even but
- 38:24publicly the I think you're right on the
- 38:26money like you I know exactly where you
- 38:28stand you're so strong in it you're such
- 38:31a strong voice for it and sometimes it's
- 38:33just a picture but it's like yeah and
- 38:35but yet you do it in such a kind way and
- 38:38with so much respect and so much grace
- 38:40and they're going to get mad at you
- 38:41anyway it doesn't matter how you say it
- 38:44it's it just doesn't matter they're
- 38:46going to come for you anyway but there's
- 38:48so many people behind you they're just
- 38:51not they're not the loud people on
- 38:53Instagram and that was super interesting
- 38:55cuz I had people from like out of the
- 38:57Woodworks that would normally like never
- 38:59say hi to me and they're like out of the
- 39:02Woodworks like thank you so much so I
- 39:04feel like the majority was supporting me
- 39:07um like I would just have the randomst
- 39:09people come up to me like who normally
- 39:11would like kind of let me have my space
- 39:13like for example we shop at Costco and
- 39:15so Costco is like the place of social um
- 39:18function like you go there to socialize
- 39:21basically and in kwaii you end up like
- 39:23spending half of your time in there
- 39:25talking to someone and so I like after I
- 39:27spoke out against males and female
- 39:30sports it was just like people out of
- 39:31the Woodworks like thanks so much I'm
- 39:33glad someone's speaking up like you're
- 39:36welcome it wasn't very fun but we did it
- 39:40no it wouldn't be very fun but it's so
- 39:41important and there's so few people
- 39:43doing it that it's so refreshing to see
- 39:47yeah I recently met Riley gains and we
- 39:50didn't really get to talk too much but I
- 39:52heard her talking to a group she read
- 39:54her book to a group of young children
- 39:57and one of the things that stood out to
- 40:00me was like just how lonely she felt
- 40:02when she was started speaking out cuz
- 40:04she was like one of the loudest OG
- 40:07Originals like this is not okay like no
- 40:09way am I being okay with this and she's
- 40:12been like she's you know fullon
- 40:15campaigning for female sports like
- 40:18politically and um like just using her
- 40:21voice and um just hearing her say that I
- 40:24was like oh I'm so sorry like in my my
- 40:27heart and head I was like oh she was
- 40:29just felt so alone in her journey and so
- 40:33to me it's just a reminder that like
- 40:36sometimes we have to do uncomfortable
- 40:37things to see good and change happen and
- 40:41it's not going to last forever so no
- 40:44that's right yeah that's so true I think
- 40:46you're just on the right side of it but
- 40:48yeah when I heard that they weren't even
- 40:50allowing your name on the girls jerseys
- 40:52like um so for a little context for
- 40:56listeners you can pick a name to put on
- 40:58your jersey for the surf yeah it's like
- 41:00a women's day of the year or something
- 41:03and so they did a Sur Surf Contest where
- 41:06all the athletes could put like their
- 41:08favorite women on their Jersey and so
- 41:11the world surf League uh denied a bunch
- 41:14of athletes to put me on their Jersey
- 41:16cuz all the athletes were like most of
- 41:18them were pretty stoked I think even all
- 41:20the guys that was other thing I was like
- 41:22kind of bummed none of the guys really
- 41:24spoke out either because I think most of
- 41:26the guys were not for it um but none of
- 41:29them spoke out but I guess their careers
- 41:32were on the line but even the former
- 41:34Male World Champs like female World
- 41:36Champs come on like guys like you know
- 41:39that this is not okay and this will not
- 41:42end well for the
- 41:44females um and so yeah anyway I got
- 41:48what's it called cancel cultured yeah I
- 41:51got full cancelled by the world surf
- 41:53league and they no one names anymore Bey
- 41:55Hamilton was not allowed on anyone's
- 41:57Jersey wow that's so crazy because
- 42:00you're the most inspirational female
- 42:03surfer I think surfer in the world and
- 42:07you've definitely got to be one of the
- 42:08most known names as far as surfing I
- 42:10think in surfing for sure yeah yeah so
- 42:14it's the natural like kids are going to
- 42:16want to be like Bethany Hamilton so to
- 42:18be denied that is just insane yeah it's
- 42:21weird I think that you've given people
- 42:23strength even if they haven't spoken yet
- 42:25I think totally and like I think over
- 42:29time things will turn back around but
- 42:32like for example recently I just try to
- 42:34like post every now and then but there
- 42:36was a women's longboard event and the
- 42:38organization tried to say no to the the
- 42:41male coming to compete in the female
- 42:43division but it was by the state law the
- 42:46organization would get shut down if they
- 42:48don't abide by the state law so at the
- 42:50end of the day actually like it's a
- 42:52bummer but while all the girls could say
- 42:55no the state might still
- 42:58um overpower them but at the end of the
- 43:01day if none of them show up then they
- 43:02have no event and so you know maybe if
- 43:06it gets to that point like hopefully the
- 43:08girls will just say no I think that's so
- 43:10great so how what is your what are you
- 43:13most excited about now moving forward
- 43:15where's your passion lie now moving
- 43:18forward oh I mean I'm just so like in
- 43:20love with my children and love spending
- 43:23life with them and serving them and just
- 43:26getting the choke on their faces every
- 43:29day um my youngest is almost a year and
- 43:33my oldest is almost nine so we just have
- 43:36like a really fun household and um
- 43:39that's pretty much like what I'm most
- 43:41excited about like of course I like
- 43:43helping other people and so I have like
- 43:45my different programs I'm working on
- 43:47some cool projects um to support
- 43:50families to be together more and to like
- 43:53just Empower them to live a healthy life
- 43:57mentally emotionally spiritually so soon
- 44:00I'll be launching the Bethany Hamilton
- 44:02Network it'll be kind of like a um just
- 44:05like a A Step Beyond social media but a
- 44:09place to empower and encourage our young
- 44:11people and families as a whole really NE
- 44:13and then the mother daughter program
- 44:15hopefully fatherson down the road maybe
- 44:17podcasting soon too so but the
- 44:21nitty-gritty of every day is for sure
- 44:23like motherhood and just trying to find
- 44:25time to get in the ocean yeah and yeah
- 44:27and be present there too it's so true
- 44:29you can't like Boggle your brain down
- 44:31with all this nonsense like the outside
- 44:33noise when you're with your children
- 44:34because you want to be totally present
- 44:37they as you know with a almost
- 44:399-year-old like they grow so stinking
- 44:41fast yeah and then with your fourth one
- 44:44you know how fast it goes so it's like
- 44:46savoring every single moment totally I
- 44:49actually am feeling that a lot with LA
- 44:51I'm like if she wants me to hold her I'm
- 44:53holding her if she wants to nurse she's
- 44:55nursing if she wants something I'm like
- 44:58quick to kid yes I love that we were
- 44:59just talking about that in the car he's
- 45:01like I think you can spoil a baby I'm
- 45:02like nope you can't like fer eyes them
- 45:05like I'm totally into that I mean I do
- 45:07tell her no like to a certain extent but
- 45:10she's definitely like the baby of the
- 45:13family and the big boys spoil her too
- 45:17like they're so sweet with her it's like
- 45:19heart melting detective brothers that's
- 45:21going to that's so great it teaches them
- 45:23to be good Brothers good Fathers good
- 45:26men good men yeah I feel like my older
- 45:28too definitely have a little bit of that
- 45:30like natural paternal Instinct like the
- 45:32way they treat her is just so sweet
- 45:36that's awesome so sweet yeah oh man I
- 45:38miss those days yeah it our baby is the
- 45:41age of your oldest and so I still I want
- 45:44him to be a baby so bad but he doesn't
- 45:46just do that like fall into you anymore
- 45:48thing you know and I have to come ask
- 45:51him for a hug and my teenage son doesn't
- 45:53want to hug me at all and I'm like come
- 45:55M come back to me but as babies they
- 45:58were just I wore them constantly we
- 46:01nursed forever until they felt like
- 46:03being done or I was about to pop with
- 46:04them then X baby yeah and it it was just
- 46:08such a beautiful time like if I I know
- 46:11when I'm old that will be the time I
- 46:12want to go back to you yeah like it's
- 46:15you're just like you're in the most
- 46:16beautiful season in life and you just
- 46:18don't even need anything to wreck your
- 46:21shine right now no for sure it's so
- 46:24great all right well thanks so much Beth
- 46:26again
- 46:27[Music]
- 46:29can't wait to hear what this next year
- 46:31has in store I keep falling in this
- 46:32chair what this next year has in store
- 46:34for you that you have been really fun to
- 46:37follow on Instagram and I'm so glad
- 46:39everybody needs to go follow you because
- 46:41it's so encouraging and like I don't
- 46:44know you'll post stuff about snacks and
- 46:45I'm like yeah we shouldn't be eating
- 46:47those so it's oop sorry a junk food
- 46:51please it's encouraging like I literally
- 46:53put the veggie straws back when I was
- 46:55yes
- 46:57someone actually put some in my goodie
- 46:59bag as I arrived at the hotel here and I
- 47:01was like read the ingredients I'm like
- 47:03no please no I was at the grocery store
- 47:06and I grabbed okay let's finish this off
- 47:09cuz I always like to encourage people in
- 47:10their health and it's hard you got to
- 47:14filter through social media but if you
- 47:16look up how vegetable oil is made you'll
- 47:19know you should not be consuming it so
- 47:22go on YouTube and Google search how is
- 47:24canola oil made oh no it's strained
- 47:27through hexane it goes through all this
- 47:29Machinery it's really like not supposed
- 47:32to be e and the history of like some of
- 47:35these vegetable oils it used to be an
- 47:38ingredient that went in paint and then
- 47:40they found a new ingredient that they
- 47:42preferred for the paint and then they
- 47:44started like but they already had this
- 47:46production of all this vegetable oil so
- 47:49then they started adding it into the
- 47:51food and while sugar has a super bad
- 47:54wrap I actually think vegetable oil is
- 47:56what's caus causing heart disease and
- 47:58Alzheimer's and a lot of these um modern
- 48:02day diseases that are way more rampant
- 48:04than they used to be and if you look at
- 48:06the uh history of Health you can see as
- 48:10soon as they started adding vegetable
- 48:12oils in those particular disease
- 48:14Alzheimer's and heart disease started
- 48:17going way crazier and if you start to
- 48:20look in all the ingredients of anything
- 48:22that's just not natural from the earth
- 48:25um it all has vegetable oil like you
- 48:28it's hard to escape it and so once you
- 48:31become aware and you start looking
- 48:33you're like wo this is in everything why
- 48:36is it in everything and is this supposed
- 48:38to be eaten and so like there used to be
- 48:41a campaign too anti butter but people
- 48:43have been eating butter from the
- 48:44beginning of a time and butter was never
- 48:47really like a big issue and yes there's
- 48:50people lactose intolerant but I think
- 48:52it's because our guts are not as healthy
- 48:54as they used to be so you want to heal
- 48:56your gut
- 48:57say no to the canola and vegetable oils
- 49:00and your family will be like that much
- 49:02more healthy and so you guys got this I
- 49:05just like we didn't talk about health
- 49:08that's my thing is like I really want my
- 49:11family to be healthy and um myself I
- 49:14want to age well so that like when I
- 49:16have grandkids I'm like crawling on the
- 49:18ground and teaching them how to surf you
- 49:20know versus like sitting you know being
- 49:22stuck somewhere so what does your diet
- 49:24look like for the most part what is it
- 49:25you're consuming um I mean we like we
- 49:26eat everything but we just eat like real
- 49:29food no processed stuff so for example
- 49:32like breakfast like my favorite
- 49:34breakfast if I'm in charge I'm making
- 49:36crepes with like um a little a little
- 49:40flour a little like cassava or like some
- 49:43sort of root like potato sweet potato
- 49:46and then a lot of eggs and we'll just
- 49:48make little Crepes um and we're not like
- 49:51super restrictive on sugar I'm kind of
- 49:53into so like they'll still have like
- 49:55honey or maple syrup like real stuff not
- 49:58like these artificial sweeteners because
- 50:01especially young children like you watch
- 50:03them they're moving all day long they're
- 50:05burning that so as long as they're
- 50:07getting protein to balance out the
- 50:09carbohydrates like they're going to be
- 50:11fine and so yeah and even like like my
- 50:16children have never been on an
- 50:17antibiotic yet because we eat super
- 50:20clean and healthy and so they're a
- 50:22little more resilient with their
- 50:24sicknesses and like if we had to we
- 50:26would
- 50:27because antibiotics has its time and
- 50:29place but I as a child was given a lot
- 50:31of antibiotics under 8 years old so I
- 50:34had a lot of gut issues and so trying to
- 50:37um I guess like I can only teach so much
- 50:40but I would just say you have to
- 50:42advocate for yourself or the society
- 50:46will put you in your place and so um
- 50:51I've just found like cuz I'm you know I
- 50:53come from a professional athlete
- 50:55background so I've been working at
- 50:57performing for so many years so I did a
- 51:00lot of my own research and I I got
- 51:03advice from experts along the way but at
- 51:06the end of the day like the biggest
- 51:07advocate for myself was me and the
- 51:10biggest advocate for my children is me
- 51:12absolutely and the biggest advocate for
- 51:14my husband is me and
- 51:17so it's cool though cuz my husband's on
- 51:20board and he supports that and I can
- 51:23trust that like if I'm not around he's
- 51:25cooking up a good meal for the family
- 51:28you or if he goes to the grocery store
- 51:30he's coming back stuff every now and
- 51:33then I'm like hun where you hungry
- 51:34shopping today never go hungry um we
- 51:37have a lot of like fruit trees and we
- 51:41have a lot of food growing on our
- 51:42property but we're not gardening at this
- 51:45point I think we might at some point in
- 51:47our lives we've had Gardens along the
- 51:49way but we kind of travel a lot and so
- 51:51it's kind of hard and my brother's a
- 51:54farmer so we get like fresh milk from
- 51:56him
- 51:57and we get fresh meat from him as well
- 51:59so we get like good raw or like good red
- 52:02meat like we know our animals so um yeah
- 52:06we eat everything but not anything
- 52:09artificial or like processed so every
- 52:13now and then we might have like a num no
- 52:15which has like vegetable oils and I'm
- 52:16not like super OCD about it but we try
- 52:19to for the most part make that like a
- 52:21rare occasion and we bake cookies and we
- 52:24like my boy just big muffins that other
- 52:26day now that my 9-year-old's reading
- 52:29he's like I'm like if you want to bake
- 52:30you can as long as you can read the
- 52:32recipe so now he's like starting to bake
- 52:35a f that's always a that's always
- 52:39powdery yeah it's a chaos in the kitchen
- 52:42for sure but I'm like you guys got to
- 52:43clean it up too yeah it's so fun when
- 52:45and they are so proud of themselves when
- 52:47they do it they accidentally put too
- 52:48much baking soda in the day so that was
- 52:51like they were bummed but what was the
- 52:53one we had recently was it salt it was
- 52:54salt instead of sugar oh
- 52:57yeah we still ate it we tried to like
- 52:59it's okay K was like how are the cookies
- 53:01dad cuz he rapes them whenever she makes
- 53:03the cookies and he was
- 53:04like they taste like the ocean we fed
- 53:07the muffins to our chicken so we have
- 53:10chickens so they can eat anything we
- 53:12don't eat our chickens got the cookies
- 53:14too we're like they're a little salty
- 53:17yeah she put like 3/4 cup of
- 53:19salt funny but yeah well we won't keep
- 53:22you any longer we appreciate you so much
- 53:24thank so much for having me thank you
- 53:28all it is living in the new
- 53:33world
- 53:35[Music]
- 53:36with the rich men nor the rich men Lord
- 53:40knows they all just want to
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