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1. 0:00when it comes to election interference
2. 0:02there are lots of different ways
3. 0:04that threat actors behave but there are
4. 0:06a few things in particular
5. 0:08that all of us can watch out for and
6. 0:10there are a few questions
7. 0:11that all of us can ask something that we
8. 0:15see for example
9. 0:16at every election and this is not just
10. 0:19in the united states but many places in
11. 0:21the world
12. 0:22is that you'll often see individuals or
13. 0:25groups
14. 0:26spreading claims of some kind of
15. 0:29election interference
16. 0:30be it ballot box stuffing or busting
17. 0:32people into vote
18. 0:34at multiple polling stations and the
19. 0:37evidence they'll put forward will be
20. 0:38videos or photos
21. 0:40but if you investigate you'll find that
22. 0:41the videos or photos
23. 0:43were actually taken years ago quite
24. 0:45often in a different country
25. 0:47and this kind of recycled claim is a
26. 0:50very simple way in a very cheap way
27. 0:52for different kinds of disinformation
28. 0:55actor to try and discredit
29. 0:57the results so it's important if you see
30. 1:00a video or a photo online which
31. 1:03allegedly shows election violations
32. 1:06happening right now in your country
33. 1:09the first question to ask is how do we
34. 1:11know that this is actually happening
35. 1:12here and now how do we know that this
36. 1:14isn't recycled content
37. 1:15from somewhere else there are various
38. 1:18tools online that
39. 1:19that you can use to search for images
40. 1:21and to search for videos
41. 1:23for example if you're browsing in google
42. 1:24chrome if you right click
43. 1:26on a photo it'll give you the option to
44. 1:28search google for that image
45. 1:29and we've seen many times where people
46. 1:31have shared still photos of
47. 1:34what they say is election interference
48. 1:36in country a whereas in fact it happened
49. 1:38in country b
50. 1:38two or three years before so if you see
51. 1:41that kind of claim of live
52. 1:43irregularities one of the questions to
53. 1:45ask is
54. 1:46how do we know this is actually here and
55. 1:48now how do we know that this is not
56. 1:50repurposed imagery something else that
57. 1:53can have an impact on elections as we
58. 1:57saw in 2016
59. 1:58and as again we saw in the uk election
60. 2:01in 2019
61. 2:02is hacking and leaking documents pushing
62. 2:05out documents which appear to
63. 2:07discredit one side or undermine one side
64. 2:10and benefit the other this is a very
65. 2:14difficult problem to deal with
66. 2:17because if the leaks are genuine if the
67. 2:19documents are genuine
68. 2:20there may well be a public interest in
69. 2:23publishing them
70. 2:24and they may genuinely expose something
71. 2:27which
72. 2:28it's in the public interest to know but
73. 2:30the important thing or one of the
74. 2:32important things is to ask for the
75. 2:33context
76. 2:35if documents leak one of the questions
77. 2:37need to be
78. 2:39where did these come from how are they
79. 2:41being used how do they get out in the
80. 2:42first place
81. 2:43there are different ways that leaks
82. 2:44happen it could be somebody internal it
83. 2:46could be a disgruntled employee
84. 2:48but it could also be a foreign
85. 2:50interference operation
86. 2:52and if it's a foreign interference
87. 2:53operation then
88. 2:55that needs to be discussed and that
89. 2:56needs to be proven again
90. 2:58the burden of proof is high so it's not
91. 3:01an easy one to prove
92. 3:02but if there's a case of leaks during an
93. 3:05election campaign
94. 3:07one of the questions needs to be are
95. 3:09these genuine a second question needs to
96. 3:11be
97. 3:12are they actually newsworthy and the
98. 3:14third question needs to be
99. 3:16how will the documents obtained in the
100. 3:18first place
101. 3:19that won't stop the league happening but
102. 3:21it'll give it important context
103. 3:24and then something that comes up from
104. 3:26time to time
105. 3:28is that we we see false claims of
106. 3:31interference
107. 3:33you'll see a losing candidate who says
108. 3:36that they were robbed because there was
109. 3:38interference or you'll see you'll see a
110. 3:40foreign influence campaign
111. 3:42trying to claim that they've already
112. 3:43influenced the vote where there's no
113. 3:45evidence
114. 3:46that any of that actually happened and
115. 3:48in situations like that
116. 3:50the most important question to ask is
117. 3:52where's the proof
118. 3:54where's the actual evidence if somebody
119. 3:56says
120. 3:57that let's say there was a massive
121. 3:59russian operation which
122. 4:01interfered online using fake accounts
123. 4:04then the questions need to be well which
124. 4:05accounts name them what following did
125. 4:07they have
126. 4:08how do you know that they were actually
127. 4:09russian as opposed to
128. 4:11coming from a different country asking
129. 4:14for the evidence
130. 4:15is always really important because in
131. 4:18in this job in my job evidence is
132. 4:21everything
133. 4:21you have to be able to show why you are
134. 4:24saying
135. 4:24that this is a case of interference
136. 4:26rather than a case of a genuine
137. 4:28internet user expressing their genuine
138. 4:30opinion
139. 4:31so around election time particularly
140. 4:34it's really
141. 4:35important to ask where are these claims
142. 4:37coming from
143. 4:39if there are leaks how are they obtained
144. 4:41and if there are claims
145. 4:43of interference where's the evidence and
146. 4:46by putting those three questions
147. 4:48we can at least get the context and get
148. 4:51the proof
149. 4:52to judge calmly what's actually going on