Atendimento Gestalt - Gloria e Perls - Legendado — Transcript
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- 0:07I'm to interview a
- 0:09patient and I'd like to give you some
- 0:12thumbnail sketch of what gal therapy
- 0:15stands
- 0:16for G is working on an equation
- 0:22awareness equal pleas time equal
- 0:27reality in contrast to depth psychology
- 0:30we try to get hold of the obvious of the
- 0:34surface of the situation in which we
- 0:36find ourselves and to develop the
- 0:39emerging Gestalt strictly on the I and
- 0:43thou Here and Now basis any Escape into
- 0:48the future or the past is examined as a
- 0:52likely resistance against the ongoing
- 0:58encounter modern man has alienated given
- 1:03up so much of his potential that his
- 1:05ability to cope with his existence
- 1:07becomes badly
- 1:09impoverished my aim is
- 1:13this the patient should recover his lost
- 1:17potential he should integrate the
- 1:19conflicting
- 1:21polarities understand the difference
- 1:23between game playing especially the
- 1:26playing of verbal
- 1:28games on the one hand hand and of
- 1:31genuine authentic be confident behavior
- 1:34on the
- 1:35other the Civil War of inner conflicts
- 1:39weakens the efficiency and comfort of
- 1:41the patient but every bit of integration
- 1:45will strength
- 1:47it now in the safe emergency of the
- 1:50therapeutic situation I repeat in the
- 1:54safe emergency of the therapeutic
- 1:57situation the patient begins to take
- 2:00risks and to transform his energies
- 2:03from manipulating the environment for
- 2:07support into developing greater greater
- 2:10selfs support that is reliance on his
- 2:13own
- 2:15resources this process is called
- 2:20maturation once the patient has learned
- 2:23to stand on its own feet emotionally
- 2:25intellectually and economically his need
- 2:28for therapy will collapse
- 2:30he will wake up from The Nightmare of
- 2:32his
- 2:34existence the basic technique is
- 2:37this not to explain things to the
- 2:41patient but to provide the patient with
- 2:44opportunities to understand and to
- 2:47discover
- 2:49himself for this purpose I manipulate
- 2:52and frustrate the patient in such a way
- 2:55that he's confronting
- 2:58himself in this process he identifies
- 3:01with his lost potential for instance
- 3:04through assimilating his projections by
- 3:06acting
- 3:08out by acting out the alien parts of
- 3:11himself principally I consider any
- 3:15interpretation to be a therapeutic
- 3:17mistake as this would imply that the
- 3:20therapist understands the patient better
- 3:23than the patient
- 3:24himself takes away from the patient a
- 3:26chance of discovering himself
- 3:30by
- 3:31himself and prevents him from finding
- 3:35out his own values and star on the other
- 3:40hand I disregard most of the content of
- 3:44what the patient says and concentrate
- 3:46most on the nonverbal level as this is
- 3:49the only which only one which is less
- 3:52subject to self deception then his
- 3:55verbal pseudo
- 3:57self-expression on the non-verbal level
- 4:00the relevant gal will always emerge and
- 4:04can dealt with in the here and
- 4:13now we are going to an interview for
- 4:16half an
- 4:21hour right away I'm
- 4:24scared you say you're scared but you're
- 4:27smiling I don't understand how one can
- 4:29be scared and smile at the same
- 4:34time and I'm also suspicious of you I
- 4:36think you understand very well I think
- 4:38you know
- 4:41that when I get scared I laugh or I kid
- 4:44to cover up but do you have stage
- 4:47five uh I don't know I'm mostly aware of
- 4:51you I'm afraid that uh I'm afraid you're
- 4:54going to have such a direct attack that
- 4:55uh you're going to get me in the corner
- 4:57and I'm afraid of it I want you to be
- 4:58more on my side get you your corner you
- 5:00put your hand on your chest mhm is this
- 5:04your
- 5:05corner well it's like yeah it's like I'm
- 5:09afraid you know where would you like to
- 5:13go can you describe the corner you like
- 5:16to go
- 5:18to yeah uh it's back in the corner where
- 5:22where I'm completely
- 5:24protected and they would be safe of me
- 5:27for
- 5:28me
- 5:30well I know I wouldn't really well feel
- 5:33it made you wear this corner you're
- 5:35perfectly safe now what would you do in
- 5:38this corner I just sit you just sit yes
- 5:42well how long would you sit I don't know
- 5:45but this is so funny as you're saying
- 5:47this this reminds me of when I was a
- 5:48little girl every time I was afraid I'd
- 5:51feel better sitting in a corner okay
- 5:53panicky are you a little girl well no
- 5:56but it's the same feeling are you a
- 5:58little girl
- 6:00this feeling reminds me of it are you a
- 6:02little girl no no no at last how old are
- 6:05you 30 then you're not a little girl no
- 6:10okay so you're
- 6:1230-year-old girl who's afraid of a guy
- 6:16like me well I don't even know if I I do
- 6:19know I'll be afraid of you you I get
- 6:21real defensive with
- 6:23you now what can I do to
- 6:27you you can't do anything but I can
- 6:29share feel dumb and I can feel stupid
- 6:31for not having the right answers now
- 6:33what would it do for you to be feel dumb
- 6:35and stupid I hate it when I'm stupid
- 6:38what would it do for you to be dumb and
- 6:42stupid but it put it so like this what
- 6:45would it do to me if you would play dumb
- 6:48and stupid that makes you all the
- 6:50smarter and all the higher above me then
- 6:52I really have to look up to you cuz
- 6:54you're so smart yeah oh yeah and but me
- 6:56up right and
- 6:58left all I think you can do that all by
- 7:02yourself I think the other way around if
- 7:05you play dumb and stupid you force me to
- 7:08be more
- 7:11explicit that's been said to me before
- 7:14but I don't buy it I don't what are you
- 7:16doing with your feet
- 7:18now
- 7:21wiggling what's a joke now no I'm afraid
- 7:24you're going to notice everything I do
- 7:26GE I don't you want me yeah I want you
- 7:29to help me become more relaxed yes I
- 7:31don't want to be so defensive with you I
- 7:33don't like to feel so
- 7:38defensive
- 7:40um you're acting like you're treating me
- 7:43as if I'm stronger than I am and I want
- 7:44you to protect me more and be nicer to
- 7:47me are you aware of your smile you don't
- 7:50believe a word what I do too but I know
- 7:52you're going to pick on me for it sure
- 7:55your block your
- 7:58FY
- 8:00do you believe are you meaning that
- 8:01seriously yeah if you say you're afraid
- 8:04and you laugh and you giggle and you
- 8:07squir it's
- 8:09funny you put a performance for me oh I
- 8:13I resent that very much can you explicit
- 8:16yes sir I most certainly am not being
- 8:18phony I will admit this it's hard for me
- 8:21to show my embarrassment and I hate to
- 8:23be embarrassed but boy I resent you
- 8:25calling me a phony just because I smile
- 8:28when I'm embarrassed or I'm put in the
- 8:29corner doesn't mean I'm being a phony
- 8:31wonderful thank you if you didn't spell
- 8:34for the last minute well I'm mad at you
- 8:36I that's right you didn't have to cover
- 8:39up your anger with your
- 8:43smile now you in that moment in that
- 8:46minute you were not a pH well at that
- 8:49minute I was mad though I wasn't
- 8:50embarrassed in other words when you're
- 8:52mad you're not a
- 8:54phony I still resent that I'm not a
- 8:57phony when I'm nervous again I I want to
- 9:00get mad at you I you know what I'd like
- 9:03to do I I I Want You On My Level so I
- 9:06can pick on you just as much as you're
- 9:07picking on me okay pick on
- 9:15me I have to wait till you say something
- 9:17that I can pick on but what does this
- 9:19mean can you develop this
- 9:21movement it's a I can't find words I
- 9:24want to develop this as if you been
- 9:28dancing
- 9:33I want to start all over again with you
- 9:35okay let's s all over I know a corner
- 9:37I'd like to put you on I'd like to ask
- 9:38you a question and and because I have a
- 9:40feeling you don't like me right off the
- 9:42bat and I want to know if you do can you
- 9:45not play Fritz SPS not liking Gloria
- 9:48what would he
- 9:50say he'd say that she's a phony for one
- 9:53say you are a phony you're a phony and
- 9:56you're a flip little
- 9:58girl and you're show
- 10:01off what would Gloria answer to
- 10:05that I I I know what I'd answer I'd say
- 10:08I think you are too no say tell this to
- 10:12me tell me what a funny I am well
- 10:18I'm see your
- 10:21for phon is not quite the right word but
- 10:24it's more like a a show off a show like
- 10:28you know all the answers
- 10:30yeah and I want you to be more human and
- 10:32that doesn't seem very human to me to
- 10:34know other answers is not very human
- 10:37yeah to right away find out how I'm
- 10:38kicking my feet and why am I doing like
- 10:40this why are you doing like that oh dear
- 10:42I've got eyes I can see you kicking your
- 10:44feet I don't need a a scientific
- 10:47computer to see that you're kicking your
- 10:49feet what's big about
- 10:52that you don't need to be wise to see
- 10:54that you're kicking your feet I know but
- 10:57it seems like you're trying to find some
- 10:58reason for it
- 11:00I
- 11:01don't this your imagination okay I know
- 11:04what I'd like from you can I tell you
- 11:05what I'd like from you yeah I'd like you
- 11:07to be aware that I'm kicking my feet and
- 11:09to be aware that I'm giggling when I'm
- 11:11really nervous and accept it instead of
- 11:13putting me on the defensive having to
- 11:14explain it I don't want to have to
- 11:17explain why I'm doing these things did I
- 11:19ask you to explain you said why am I or
- 11:21what am I doing well what am I doing you
- 11:23said that's right kicking your feet I
- 11:25didn't ask you to explain
- 11:27it is your imagin
- 11:31it's not his FRS it's the frits of your
- 11:33imagination it's big
- 11:40difference now do this
- 11:43again
- 11:45again how do you feel
- 11:50now I don't
- 11:52know playing
- 11:54stupid I'm not playing stupid I don't
- 11:58know the right answer this is playing
- 12:12stupid you did something with your hair
- 12:14there is by chance something in my hair
- 12:17that you object to no
- 12:20no
- 12:23okay no but I your your hair and your
- 12:27features go along with the the feeling I
- 12:29had about you earlier I I had a feeling
- 12:31I could be afraid of
- 12:32you and you're the type of person that
- 12:35seems like you demand so much respect
- 12:36and so
- 12:39you're please play Fritz I demand so
- 12:41much respect play this Fritz you just
- 12:46saw well you know how smart I am I know
- 12:49more about psychology than you do Gloria
- 12:52so anything I say of course is right can
- 12:55you say the same as Gloria something
- 12:57similar as
- 12:58Gloria
- 13:00but the same act as
- 13:02Glory I demand respect
- 13:07because I don't
- 13:10know no I don't I identify it with my
- 13:13father but not me I don't feel I demand
- 13:14respect you don't Dem me respect no sure
- 13:18not as a matter of fact I'd like more
- 13:20I'd like you to respect me more no you
- 13:22see so you're the man
- 13:25respect all right
- 13:27yes yes as a matter how to if I could
- 13:29demand respect from you I would but do
- 13:34it who's preventing you except
- 13:41yourself cuz I feel if I get myself out
- 13:43on the corner you're going to let me
- 13:44just drown you're not going to help me
- 13:47one bit and I know that I can't quite
- 13:48come up to standards with you what
- 13:50should I do when you're the
- 13:54corner encourage me to come out oh you
- 13:59don't have
- 14:01enough courage to come out by yourself
- 14:04you need somebody pull little mims in
- 14:06the stress out of a corner yes so
- 14:09anytime you want somebody to uh pay
- 14:12attention to you call into a corner and
- 14:15wait till The Rescuer comes yes that's
- 14:17exactly what I'd like and this is what I
- 14:19call phony pardon me this is what I call
- 14:22phony why is it phony I'm admitting to
- 14:25you what I am how is that a phony that
- 14:27is a phony because it's a trick it's a
- 14:30gimmick to crawl into a corner and wait
- 14:32there until somebody comes to your
- 14:33rescue I'm admitting it I know what I'm
- 14:36doing I'm not being phony I'm not
- 14:38pretending I'm so
- 14:40brave I resent that I feel like you're
- 14:42saying unless I come out openly and
- 14:45stand on my own I'm not a phony baloney
- 14:47I'm just as just as real sitting in that
- 14:49corner as I am out here all by myself
- 14:51but you're not sitting in that well not
- 14:58now
- 15:01and besides that it's like passing
- 15:03judgment when you call me phony I just
- 15:04hate that anyway now we're getting
- 15:07somewhere I call anybody phony who puts
- 15:11them in
- 15:13act and if you like somebody you want to
- 15:16meet this
- 15:17person to go to this person tell them I
- 15:20would like to meet you I would call not
- 15:23for me but if you coly go into that
- 15:27corner waiting to be rescue this I call
- 15:30F this I called and I still think you're
- 15:33judgmental you know what I have a
- 15:35feeling you've never felt this way in
- 15:36your life you feel so secure that you
- 15:38don't have to feel anybody that does
- 15:40something like this you're going to pass
- 15:41judgment on there being a phony well I
- 15:43resent it good now play Fritz passing
- 15:45judgment you are you're sitting up there
- 15:47in your big old chair I am Fritz I pass
- 15:53judgment pass judgment on me
- 15:57now I don't feel close to you at all Dr
- 16:01pearls I feel that's phony I feel like
- 16:03you're playing one big game
- 16:06right sure we're playing games but in
- 16:09spite of the games I think I've touched
- 16:12you now and then I think I hurt you when
- 16:14I called you a phone well of course you
- 16:16did and I think I hit the bull's eye
- 16:19that's why you feel
- 16:23hurt I don't know all I know is when
- 16:25somebody when I feel the way I feel with
- 16:27you right now it's like you don't have
- 16:30feeling alline now exaggerate this what
- 16:33you just did that's it don't talk to me
- 16:37like this I can't I can't I want to
- 16:39laugh I want to I'd like you to be
- 16:40younger than me so I could really scold
- 16:42you how old must have
- 16:44be my age three good I'm 30 now imagine
- 16:48I'm 30 and now you're SC okay don't be
- 16:51so sure of yourself don't think
- 16:53you're so dog on Smart don't act so
- 16:55proud because you've never been in the
- 16:56corner I think you can be just as big a
- 16:58phony parading around like you're so
- 17:00damn smart you know all the answers as
- 17:02much as me sitting in my
- 17:04corner oh and I like the feeling of you
- 17:06being younger I'd like to really I'd
- 17:08like to embarrass you yeah embarrass me
- 17:11well you you wouldn't get embarrassed
- 17:13you seem
- 17:14unaffected tell me embarrass me tell me
- 17:17how old how ugly I
- 17:20am you don't look old ugly you look
- 17:22distinguished and that gives you that's
- 17:24all the more on your side if you look so
- 17:26distinguished then see that's more on
- 17:28your side too well Gloria can you say
- 17:31one thing we had quite a good fight no I
- 17:35no MM no I F I don't think you're
- 17:38fighting with me but I F you came out
- 17:40quite a
- 17:42bit well I'm mad at you
- 17:45wonderful but you seem so detached you
- 17:48don't even seem to care that I'm mad at
- 17:51you I feel like you're not recognizing
- 17:54me at all Dr pearls not a bit this is
- 17:57quite true our contact is much too
- 18:00superficial to be involved in caring I
- 18:03care for you as far as let's see you're
- 18:08right now my client I care for you as
- 18:10far as I like to like an artist bring
- 18:14something out which is hidden in you is
- 18:17as far as I
- 18:22care well I'd like you
- 18:25to I'd like to feel that there's some
- 18:28it's frustrating if I were to leave you
- 18:29right now and not seean it would
- 18:31frustrate me to feel like there hadn't
- 18:32been more contact I feel completely out
- 18:34of contact with you like I'm talking to
- 18:36the baby that doesn't understand me or
- 18:38something like that I don't feel like
- 18:40we're a bit in contact and that ooh that
- 18:41frustrates
- 18:43me that bothers me more than being angry
- 18:45with you I'd rather we were angry and
- 18:47fought than to have no
- 18:49contact yeah this reminds me of when my
- 18:52husband and I used to fight he sits
- 18:54there and he listens to me but he's not
- 18:55even aware of how much I hate him and
- 18:57how mad I am at him rather yeah I'd
- 19:00rather affect you you'd really hate me
- 19:02or
- 19:06something and I feel like you're
- 19:07purposely staying out of contact with me
- 19:10how should I
- 19:11be give me your fantasy how how could I
- 19:15share you my concern with
- 19:18you I can't say in words I know the
- 19:21feeling I'd see on you but I can't say
- 19:23it's just a feeling
- 19:25like I don't
- 19:27know it's like I want you to respect me
- 19:30more as a human being that I've got
- 19:31feelings now we come back to the
- 19:33beginning so you want respect yes I do I
- 19:37do this is a different kind of respect
- 19:39than I meant the first time but you want
- 19:41you need respect
- 19:45yes I respect you so much as a human
- 19:48being that I refuse to accept the fly
- 19:50part of yourself and address myself to
- 19:53the genuine part right now the last few
- 19:56minutes you were wonderfully genuine
- 20:00you were not playing
- 20:03anymore I could see you were really
- 20:07hting well I don't feel I've got a right
- 20:11when I don't like somebody or I disagree
- 20:13with somebody's doing if if I should
- 20:15respect them if they're above me they're
- 20:16Superior to me I don't feel I've got a
- 20:18right to really really tell you how mad
- 20:19I am at that's that's
- 20:22garbage you're not JY JY you're getting
- 20:25bed into your safe Corner that's the way
- 20:28it feel that's what the safe Corner
- 20:29feels like to me now go back to your
- 20:32safe Corner because you have to part
- 20:34very soon you stay in your safe corner
- 20:36you came out for a moment you nearly met
- 20:39me could get a little bit angry with me
- 20:42now go back to your safety I feel like
- 20:44you're telling me the only way you
- 20:45respect me as a human being if I'm
- 20:47aggressive and forceful and strong you I
- 20:50feel like you couldn't even accept my
- 20:52I'd be scared to death to cry in front
- 20:53of you I feel like you'd laugh at me and
- 20:55call me a phony I feel like you don't
- 20:58accept my weak side only when I'm
- 20:59yelling back at you or hollering at
- 21:02you you must be cry my presence well I
- 21:06wouldn't even give you the satisfaction
- 21:08see this again no see this
- 21:13again I try not to I try not to cry in
- 21:16front of you or show my weak spot for
- 21:17fear you'd jump on me again are you
- 21:19really that your eyes are moist I'm
- 21:21aware that I feel more chokey yes I feel
- 21:24it could you choke
- 21:27me
- 21:30pretend but not for real why not for
- 21:32real well because I don't hate you that
- 21:34much no you want to choke my tear SP you
- 21:37want me to choke you so you wouldn't
- 21:41cry I'd like to if I'd like to choke you
- 21:43it would be to make you cry I'd like to
- 21:46see you
- 21:47weak I'd like to see you hurt and and
- 21:52vulnerable what would do this do for
- 21:56you make me feel like I
- 21:59I have more of a right to be hurt and
- 22:01you wouldn't jump on me so quick would
- 22:03you jump on me if I would cry no mm- but
- 22:07I would jump on you if you would
- 22:09cry you're sure of
- 22:12this no I'm not sure of it
- 22:16uh what would what would you like me to
- 22:19do if you were to
- 22:23cry I was you're smiling you're smiling
- 22:26something off well because I got two
- 22:27feelings I was I was going to say I want
- 22:29you to I want you to love me and hug me
- 22:31but then I thought no I don't want to
- 22:34what's your objection I'd be scared to
- 22:36be too close to
- 22:37you now we're getting somewhere first
- 22:40you want to be close to me now you're
- 22:42afraid to be too close to me is what I'm
- 22:45saying but that's right now we got the
- 22:48two PS of your existence but they're two
- 22:50different feelings close I mean
- 22:52emotionally but not physically yeah but
- 22:55you've got the two PS of your existence
- 22:57now
- 22:58either far away in a
- 23:01corner or be so close that you get melt
- 23:05into one with other
- 23:09person it apparently you travel between
- 23:11the two
- 23:17extremes I do you know what I'm thinking
- 23:20when I am really hurt and really uh
- 23:23upset about something and I want someone
- 23:25to love me like my girlfriend will do it
- 23:27a lot and she'll come up to hug me
- 23:28I don't I don't want it exactly
- 23:32see that's what I'm talking about you
- 23:35cannot sustain
- 23:39contact okay this is
- 23:43garbage but are you afraid if you were
- 23:45too close to your girlfriend if you let
- 23:47her hug you um the only thing I'm aware
- 23:50of is like when I pire It embarrasses me
- 23:53that should feel how wet I am and it
- 23:55should hold my body up close and I don't
- 23:58know are you aware of your facial
- 24:00expression kind of disgust com me yes I
- 24:03am do this more please icky I it's just
- 24:08icky I can just feel what it is I don't
- 24:10like it can you say this to me Fritz
- 24:11you're
- 24:17icky no
- 24:19no what's your difficulty cuz I feel
- 24:23like if you really believe me that would
- 24:24hurt your
- 24:25feelings oh you must hurt my feelings
- 24:30well I thought I was so indifferent you
- 24:32said before that nothing could touch me
- 24:35now you suddenly discovered a way to
- 24:37touch me isn't
- 24:40it well you know what I believe I
- 24:43believe you're the type of person sort
- 24:44of like me that you act like it wouldn't
- 24:46hurt your feelings but it really would
- 24:48you act strong but you're you're soft
- 24:51and vulnerable inside there
- 24:54too I think your feelings could be hurt
- 24:57sure
- 24:59but I don't think you'd show it very
- 25:01easy what would I
- 25:03do how would I conceal my feelings by
- 25:07turning it back on me by saying now what
- 25:10did you get from that Gloria you turn
- 25:12the whole thing back on me instead of
- 25:14showing how hurt you were now can you
- 25:16say this to Fritz how did you what did
- 25:18you get out of this Fritz say this to me
- 25:21what you get out of what what you just
- 25:23say just a
- 25:27sentence
- 25:29sure I know what you'd get out of it if
- 25:30I said what did you get out of this FR
- 25:32you'd
- 25:33say nothing it didn't bother me it was
- 25:36you that did it you still wouldn't let
- 25:37me know you were hurt but I know what it
- 25:39would be if you told your true feelings
- 25:41that you didn't want to show your hurt
- 25:42so you covered it up same way with me in
- 25:44the corner now if I were hurt if I would
- 25:47cry what would you do with
- 25:51me you would be you wouldn't be so
- 25:53Superior to me you'd be more vulnerable
- 25:56and I could pacify you and make you feel
- 25:58better you could hug me yes then I could
- 26:01be the baby
- 26:03yes yes I'd like that you'd feel more On
- 26:06My Level I wouldn't have to feel so dumb
- 26:08with you and the other way around you
- 26:11would have to be my
- 26:13baby she would cry you would like to
- 26:17play the baby and be comforted and hug
- 26:19and the poor thing well I like that
- 26:24too but I tell you something I think we
- 26:27came to a nice closure I think we came
- 26:29to a little bit of
- 26:31understanding I think we finish this
- 26:35situation now right all
- 26:43right uh the demonstration was in my
- 26:46opinion uh quite successful and
- 26:49consistent with my theoretical
- 26:52Outlook the avoidance of the genuine
- 26:54encounter manifested itself in three
- 26:57ways the patient was first taken control
- 27:03by putting on a smiling sophisticated
- 27:05phony mask of oscillating between a
- 27:08pretense of being frightened and yet at
- 27:11the same time having me figured out thus
- 27:15being or believing to be fully in
- 27:17control of the
- 27:19situation
- 27:21secondly she was
- 27:23withdrawing by fantasizing of hiding in
- 27:26a corner
- 27:30thirdly she was blocking the real
- 27:34Encounter of melting through crying
- 27:37which then would have been the real
- 27:40emotional meaning of this
- 27:43meeting the patient was capable of
- 27:46identifying herself with several
- 27:48fantasies she had projected onto me she
- 27:51was this was especially evident with
- 27:53regard to her initial denial for need to
- 27:56be
- 27:57respected
- 27:58the need for environmental support
- 28:00started to come out besides her need to
- 28:02get
- 28:04respected it was verbalized in a wish to
- 28:06be cared for rescued from the
- 28:09corner and so on I broke off the session
- 28:13when the first tears begin to appear she
- 28:17be to play the role of the Lonely child
- 28:19and apparently wanted to be hugged and
- 28:22comforted but here too the assimilation
- 28:24of her projection began to work and she
- 28:27began to experience holding me like a
- 28:33baby apart
- 28:35from assisting her and assimilating her
- 28:38in some projections the main therapeutic
- 28:40Factor was to show her the inconsistency
- 28:43of a verbal and nonverbal behavior for
- 28:46instance saying that she was frightened
- 28:50and smiling at the same time a
- 28:53frightened person does not
- 28:57smile where I feeled was in the
- 28:59direction of her
- 29:01embarrassment this embarrassment was
- 29:03protected by her brazenness and anger to
- 29:07get to her existence existential
- 29:09embarrassment we would have to work
- 29:11through and eliminate the Foon that is
- 29:14the ease with which we can superficially
- 29:17assume any role that is required for a
- 29:19specific
- 29:20situation this pseudo adaptation is her
- 29:24way of coping with life this is about
- 29:28what I got out of this
- 29:35session
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