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0:10All righty. Welcome to episode 260 of
0:13Tqua's Ask Us Anything. As usual, it's
0:17been a pretty busy news week.
0:20Tesla's Model Y has become the first EV
0:22in Australian automotive history to top
0:25monthly sales across all fuel types. At
0:275,605 sales in May, the Model Y beat out
0:31Ford Ranger and Toyota's Hilux and RAV 4
0:34with 4,474,
0:3745, and 3,865
0:40sales, respectively.
0:43Tesla has announced the imminent release
0:45of its vehicle to load adapter featuring
0:47an esoteric upside down 15 amp
0:49single-phase outlet. The adapter's
0:51maximum rated power at 230 volts is 3 12
0:55kW.
0:57And that was this week's news.
1:08Indeed, it was. And once again, welcome
1:10to the program. Uh, as is customary, if
1:13there is anyone who is new and is
1:15comfortable in doing so, please unmute
1:17and say hello.
1:23>> Probably will have a go. Tim here.
1:26>> Tim, welcome.
1:29>> Uh, yeah, I've just um first time and
1:33I've got a 2015 Model S. Um,
1:39>> a classic
1:40>> going quite well. Um, however, the
1:43battery did fail a couple of years ago.
1:46Um, I replaced the 85 kWh with a 90. Um,
1:52and my reason for coming on tonight.
1:55I've got a few technical questions I'll
1:57uh ask in due course.
1:59>> Yeah, no worries. All right. Well,
2:01welcome after I mean, you're the full
2:03bottle on Teslas, that's for sure, cuz
2:04you've had one for long enough. Um, in
2:08fact, you you've got one that's
2:09pre-autopilot.
2:11Well,
2:12>> yeah, it's
2:13>> classic new autopilot. It's it's the uh
2:16the old um what's the name? Mobile Eye.
2:18>> Yeah. Yeah, I think it has a Well, it's
2:22got it's got the upgraded MCU 2, but um
2:25yeah, look, I I didn't have it from from
2:28new, so it's probably I've had it
2:29probably seven or eight years, but um
2:31yeah, look, it's going going well.
2:33>> Fantastic. All righty. Um, is there
2:36anyone else who is new that would like
2:37to say hello?
2:44All right. Perhaps a little bit later
2:46on. Um, just quickly, I'm probably going
2:50to bang on this, bang on about this for
2:52the next few weeks, but if I can get
2:56this working, uh, this is the current
2:58tally for the Supercharger voting.
3:02And you can see that thankfully
3:05Baladonia is well out in front and we've
3:07got Seduna not far behind and then
3:10Norman Bay, Denmark etc. Now it really
3:14is important if we look on this map. So,
3:19by the way, all you do to vote now,
3:20please, anyone that is in the room right
3:23now or watches this on uh YouTube or X
3:26later on and you have a Tesla account,
3:29please, please log in and vote.
3:34And I'm going to ask you repeatedly to
3:37vote strategically. So, if we just zoom
3:40out on this map, you can see there are a
3:42whole lot of places where you can vote.
3:44Um, but notably most of them are in
3:47suburban areas which is literally
3:50pointless. It's great if you live in
3:52that suburb. Um, and I can include with
3:56that things like Mandari. Actually,
3:59there's not many in Perth and you've got
4:01Mandura. You know for a fact that these
4:03are going to be done. The same as Jurian
4:06Bay because Geraldton is a previous
4:08winner. You absolutely know that Tesla
4:11will not just install Geraldton. They
4:13will by necessity at the very minimum
4:16install Jurian Bay and possibly another
4:18one at um Greenhead or somewhere Leman
4:22somewhere similar. The same as when
4:25Southern Cross won there was no doubt
4:28that Meridan and probably Norom were
4:31going to get filled in as well as well
4:33as probably Calguli.
4:36There's also no doubt that with
4:38Esperence being last quarter's winner,
4:40they Tesla will put a supercharger
4:44probably at Ravens Thorp and another one
4:46at Jeramonga. So you can go between
4:48Albany and Esperence, which is a very
4:50common tourist route.
4:53Um the real gain to be made is between
4:58Perth and the eastern states and that
5:01necessitates closing the the massive gap
5:04in supercharges between Port Augusta and
5:07what would be Southern Cross and will
5:09become Esperence and the only two places
5:12you can do that is either at Baladonia
5:15or Sjuna.
5:18So, please, please, if you do nothing
5:20else with your Tesla account, log in to
5:23vote. You just have to to tap on the you
5:26just go into tesla.com and you'll see uh
5:29under charging, you can see supercharger
5:32voting. Click on that. Log in with your
5:35Tesla account and place two votes, one
5:40for Belladonia and one for Sjuna because
5:43it doesn't matter which end wins.
5:47both ends win because what it means is
5:50the the
5:52desolate trip across the nullore becomes
5:55that much easier. So yeah, once again um
5:59please please if you haven't already
6:00voted, please vote. Now, also um
6:06I don't want anyone to take this the
6:08wrong way, but please don't vote for
6:09Norman because Norman is already going
6:12to get done because if Belladonia gets
6:14done, Norman has to be done. So, voting
6:18for Norman just gives Tessa the
6:20opportunity to sort of say, well, you
6:23know, Norman got more votes and we'll
6:26just do the lowhanging fruit, which is
6:27this little loop. We don't just want
6:29loops. We want entire routes across the
6:32country. So please, just because there
6:36are five votes that you can use, you
6:38don't have to use all of them.
6:39Unfortunately, you can't use multiple
6:42votes at one location. It's only one
6:44vote, one location. Or should I say one
6:46location, one vote. But um yeah, please
6:50anyone that watches this or sees this,
6:53if you've got friends that have Tesla
6:54accounts, please encourage them to vote
6:58for both
7:00and Sjuna. We want them, we have
7:02thousands of Teslas in Western
7:04Australia. We want, you know, wouldn't
7:06it be lovely to have a thousand plus
7:08votes for Baladonia and Sajjuna and send
7:12Tesla charging a real message that we
7:16want nation building infrastructure
7:18because sadly many other governments
7:22have
7:24tragically failed, specifically failed
7:27in providing reliable infrastructure,
7:29which we know Tesla will do. All right,
7:32enough of that. Um, hi horse. Um, all
7:35right. Has anyone got any opening
7:37questions or comments? And Tim will
7:39definitely get to your Model S questions
7:41um, shortly.
7:46>> Oh, actually Steve, we've got a casual
7:48meetup coming up in Dun Craig, I think.
7:53>> Yep. Dra, the Rocky Ridge Tap House.
7:57>> Yep.
7:58>> Next Sunday, midday.
8:02The details are on the Facebook event
8:04that's been created and also the email
8:07that you pushed out as chair.
8:09>> Yep. Cool. Very good. All right. Look
8:12forward to seeing everyone there on
8:14Sunday.
8:16>> Talk about we can talk about
8:17supercharger voting as well.
8:20>> Well, and we shall too.
8:24>> Absolutely. Excellent. And
8:25>> and Steve, I checked it out for you
8:27today for lunch, so I can tell you the
8:30cider and the ribs are good. So,
8:32>> what about the vegetarian options?
8:34>> Uh, the wife had that, so she had the
8:37pumpkin hummus or something. So, that
8:40was apparently pretty good, too.
8:42>> Good. Excellent. Thank you, Paul.
8:44>> You're welcome.
8:45>> Very good. All right. Well, with that
8:47little bit of housekeeping out the way,
8:50uh, let's go to back to opening
8:52questions or comments.
9:00You happy if I go there, Harold?
9:01>> Yeah, we might as well, Tim, because we
9:03got a quiet bit. Sometimes the show's a
9:05bit slow to start and then sometimes it
9:06really revs up towards the end when
9:08we're trying to go to bed. But yeah, go.
9:10>> Um, yeah, my question is just, um, for
9:13anyone who might have familiarity with
9:15the Tesla toolbox software, uh, and has
9:19used it. And I'm looking at just getting
9:21a day use. I think it's $115 for one day
9:25use. And the reason being um I mentioned
9:29I had the battery failure probably about
9:31a year and a half ago. The um Tesla
9:35replaced it um with the with the 90 kWh.
9:40>> Um they went to the trouble of changing
9:43the decal on the boot to from 85 to 90.
9:47>> Yes.
9:47>> But they didn't change the software to
9:50reflect the uh 90 the internal software.
9:54So, I still have a 85
9:56on the uh on the onscreen display on the
9:59menu. Um,
10:01>> yes. Now, I've seen an online video um
10:04where the guy uses his um Tesla toolbox
10:08and he's just a third party repairer who
10:11uses his uh Tesla toolbox to and he just
10:15puts the he puts in a he put in a 100
10:18kilowatth battery for this particular
10:20YouTube video
10:22and it's just a drop-own box in the
10:24software where you decide whether you
10:26whatever size battery you put in. Then
10:28that sets the internal car software to
10:31reflect the battery size. Yep.
10:34>> Now Tesla will do this for me for
10:38$1,027.
10:41>> So hang on. Is this actually increasing
10:44the capacity? So you they both did did
10:48you get the battery under warranty?
10:51>> It was done under warranty. Yes, it was
10:55the it was done as a goodwill. It was
10:57out of warranty, but it was
10:59>> Did you pay Okay, I'll rephrase it. Did
11:00you Did you pay for it?
11:02>> No,
11:03>> they they they did a Goodwill
11:05replacement.
11:06>> Yep.
11:06>> And the good goodwill replacement um was
11:10free. Uh, so I don't have any recourse
11:13to sort of jump up and down. Um, because
11:18>> So, and did they tell you that they
11:21Sorry, they did tell you that they they
11:23replace the 85 kWh pack with a 90 kWh
11:27pack,
11:28>> correct?
11:28>> Did they tell you that they
11:31software limited the capacity of the
11:34battery to be 85 kilwatt hours in line
11:36with the battery they replaced?
11:39They didn't say precisely what it is
11:43limited to. Only only I do know that the
11:46range at the moment with 90 kilwatt
11:48hours is about 402
11:51kilometers. That's what it's telling me
11:53now with a 90. Um, and I'm not sure
11:57whether that's reflective of an 85 or a
12:0090, but it's it's really just a um case
12:03of having the screen software look nice.
12:07And I'm not sure whether the BMS is
12:09actually seeing um the 90 kilowatt hour
12:12regardless. I think I I suspect I'm
12:14actually getting 90 kilwatt hours of
12:17kilwatt hours of range, but what I don't
12:20have is a screen that shows me a a 90
12:23kilowatt hour. Um it doesn't say 90D,
12:26for example. Tim Tim, if I can just cut
12:29in here for for a sec because I've got a
12:31a 2015 85D and we get 345ks
12:36of range at Oh, yeah.
12:42>> Do you know what? I'm going to come back
12:43to you and just uh just fact check this.
12:46So, you saying that's 100% you get 402,
12:49>> correct? Yep.
12:50>> Okay. All right. I'll I'll just uh I'll
12:52just check what we get.
12:54Um, so I think one of the biggest issues
12:56is
12:59you didn't pay for it. So unfort like
13:02Well, actually what I'd do is I would
13:03ask Tesla. So you said that Tesla
13:05offered to change the wording
13:09on the screen, which is your software
13:12screen, which shows your car and its
13:13name.
13:15Uh, they they've they've said that will
13:17cost you a So was it $1,000, $1,100,
13:20whatever? Over $1,000, right? I guess
13:23the question to ask is what are you
13:25getting for the $1,000?
13:28>> If all you're getting is a font, let's
13:31call it a um a text change on the
13:35software screen only. Bearing in mind
13:38that the technical description of your
13:40car is a model S.
13:44Sorry, is it a P or is it just an 85D?
13:47>> 85D. That's its model name.
13:50>> So that's it. In fact, that's its legal
13:52name under the registration papers.
13:55Although they might it might have just
13:56said Model S under your Rejo papers
13:59under model, but it's it's effectively
14:02the designator
14:05of the car is model S85D.
14:09That's what Tesla used to call those
14:11kind of cars.
14:13>> Also matched to the VIN,
14:17>> right? Yep.
14:18>> Yeah. So, um,
14:21>> so I guess the the real question is what
14:23are you trying to gain by changing the
14:26the lettering? Now, if all you're
14:27gaining is the difference of two numbers
14:30for $1,100, that's just pointless. If
14:33what you would if what Tesla is saying
14:35is it's costing $1,100 because they are
14:38going to unlock the extra 5 kilwatt
14:40hours of usable because
14:44uh they at their well basically because
14:46they don't have any 85 packs they put in
14:48the larger pack and rather than giving
14:51you a freebie they've said no if you
14:53want that extra capacity to be unlocked
14:57as additional range or usable range then
15:00um that's going to cost you $1,100. $00.
15:04By way of comparison, I think I paid
15:07several thousand on my wife's
15:11S60
15:13rear wheel drive car because it was
15:16actually a cheaper sold as brand new.
15:19That option was cheaper than buying a
15:23S75
15:25and it was I think three grand roughly
15:28for the extra software to to uncorp the
15:32software limiting or software limitation
15:35of removing 15 kW hours of usable just
15:39to sell the car for less. So, it sounds
15:43to me if it's $1,000 per 5 kW hours,
15:45that's kind of the going rate of what
15:47Tesla used to do for software
15:49limitations or uncawking them. And you
15:52need to ask Tesla,
15:54>> is the,000
15:55plus dollars giving you the extra 5 kW
15:58hours usable? In which case, it's up to
16:00you whether to use it. One pro tip is,
16:03and by all means, do lots of Googling
16:05about this and look in the forums.
16:08If it is the case that they are limiting
16:10the
16:14um
16:15the top,
16:18it it could mean that you could just
16:19charge your car at closer to 100% rather
16:23than 90%.
16:24>> That's that's the query I have as well
16:27because I I actually asked them
16:28specifically. I said, "What am I getting
16:30for $1,000? Are you opening up the extra
16:335 kwatt hours?" and he said, "Oh, you'll
16:35probably get about 10 kilometers of
16:37range." Which didn't really gel with
16:40with 5 kilwatt hours I think is I worked
16:43out. I think that was about 30.
16:46What was it? Yeah, I think it's an extra
16:4830ks
16:49uh for 5 kwatt hours.
16:51>> Yeah.
16:52>> But it didn't quite make sense to me
16:53what he said that we might might unlock
16:55an extra 10 km of range. So, I'm I
16:58couldn't get a straight answer out of
17:00them. They didn't actually really know.
17:01I don't actually I sense that they
17:03didn't really know, but they said they
17:05couldn't unlock the 90 because of the
17:09the big brother nature of Tesla systems
17:12is as soon as they went into their
17:13laptop and they um added that 5 kW
17:16hours, it it obviously um ticked off
17:20alarm bells. Well, it basically meant
17:22that they they had to they had to
17:24charge. So, he said he couldn't do it.
17:27>> Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. So that does sound
17:29to me like it is actually removing the
17:32software limitation for which Tesla
17:35headquarters is
17:38well from a shareholders point of view
17:39rightly saying well if we're going to
17:40give someone extra value we'd like to
17:42extract it extract some money for that
17:46value. Um, I think in hindsight with my
17:49wife's car, although I mean it's been
17:50sold, you know, many years ago and
17:53whatever is
17:56often the unlocking the software
17:58unlocking I think you can just basically
18:01move the slider up to 100% instead and
18:03use use the battery that way because in
18:07the Model S's your your recommendation
18:09is I think still 90%.
18:11>> So you can just slide your slide to 100
18:13and use it use the capacity anyway.
18:16Yeah,
18:16>> because it doesn't really matter what
18:17the total capacity is. It's what the
18:19dayto-day usable is that really counts.
18:23>> And is it worth a thousand bucks?
18:26>> You got something for nothing. I mean,
18:28you get nothing. You you got it replaced
18:30under warranty and now you've got a
18:32better pack than you had before.
18:34>> Yeah.
18:35>> So, so Tim, I I can't actually find um a
18:38recent screenshot of when we last had
18:40the car at 100%. But I'm pretty sure we
18:42get about 390 ks now at 100. Yeah, 100%.
18:47And it's got 160,000 ks on it. So it
18:50doesn't sound like there's that much in
18:51it really. If you've been driving
18:53slightly more efficiently, I'd say
18:55that's still within the same similar
18:56ballpark.
18:58>> Yeah. Right. I just uh uh for those who
19:01have seen that that's I've got the cable
19:03that's the cable with the uh the LAN
19:06connection at the end. But um that
19:09particular cable is 12 bucks or
19:12something online. But um yeah, I'm sort
19:14of half tempted to have a red hot go
19:16with um getting this test Tesla toolbox,
19:19but I just wanted to see if anyone had
19:21might have played around.
19:22>> So and was this to try and to tweak it
19:24up to get the higher capacity, you mean?
19:27>> Yes. Yeah.
19:28>> Uh, look, it's you've already you've
19:30already described that Tesla themselves
19:32said that if they try anything at the
19:34workshop that head office will quickly
19:37shut that down.
19:39>> Yeah. So,
19:40>> there's no reason to believe that
19:41somehow if you do it that there'll be a
19:43different result. Um, look,
19:46>> it's your car. You own it. You can have
19:48a red hot crack.
19:50>> Uh, do all the Googling. Look at, you
19:52know, people like Rich Rebuilds who do
19:54all sorts of interesting things.
19:55inverted commas of Teslas.
19:58I guess you've got very little to lose
20:01probably. Um,
20:04yeah, that's that's about the the depth
20:08of the knowledge we have here as far as
20:10things like that. Um,
20:14yeah, I Yeah, look, give it a crack if
20:16you're curious, and if not,
20:18>> yeah,
20:18>> you've still got a great pack. Um,
20:21>> it might it might cost meundred $115 for
20:24a day's use of uh Tesla toolbox and I
20:27might just end up uh no no difference.
20:30Anyway,
20:31>> um what might be useful is
20:35if you've got um
20:39I remember with the old Model X I had a
20:42um OBD connector adapter that plugs in.
20:46And it's under Yeah, it's where you I
20:48think it's where you plug in the
20:49Ethernet thing. Very similar very
20:51similar uh uh setup where you can then
20:54hook up a dongle and have a look at what
20:57your battery pack's actually doing. And
20:59that might be quite instructive,
21:01especially when it comes to charging it
21:03to say 100% as opposed to 90%. And you
21:06might actually work out for yourself
21:09that you're just better off just
21:10sweeping the the charge. Actually, do do
21:13this experiment on all cars that really
21:16do need to be at 90% for the old S's and
21:18X's or at 80% for the 3es and Y's, the
21:22long range 3es and Y's.
21:24>> Do the experiment. Do you still see the
21:26daily and the trip tick marks on your
21:30battery charging slider under the
21:33charging um menu?
21:35>> Yep. Yep.
21:36>> Right. So, it still says daily and trip.
21:38>> Yes.
21:40>> Okay. Then try to slide it to 100% and
21:43see if it gives you the warning that
21:45says you should only use this for trips.
21:48>> Yeah. Although I'll have to check that
21:50because I um my wife's got a model Y so
21:53I might be mistaking that. What what the
21:55SL
21:56>> So do that experiment. So because uh
21:59Richard Chapman, you're still in the
22:00house. I think you're still there. Yes,
22:02you are. your your your X and S still
22:05says 90% for for daily
22:10Richard
22:11who will come back to us later. Uh we'll
22:13we'll follow.
22:14>> No, I'm here. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
22:17Absolutely. Bang on. Yeah. So it's Yeah.
22:1990% is the
22:20>> Still 90, right?
22:22>> Yeah. It's the appropriate um charge
22:24level on a daily for that chemistry.
22:26>> Perfect. So, so Tim, I highly recommend
22:30you while you're charging the car, slide
22:32the slider to 100 and see what it says.
22:34If it stays silent,
22:37then there's literally no point in
22:40paying the money because you've already
22:42got the usage by charging to the 100%
22:45which is similar to 90% if the whole
22:48capacity was shown to you.
22:50>> Yes. Yeah. So, um,
22:52>> well, that's that's you gave me a good
22:54idea because I do have that um uh that
22:57dongle, the OBD MX Plus already with the
23:02>> then
23:04do the slide.
23:06>> Yep. Then do the slide and also uh chuck
23:10in the dongle and have a look with scan
23:12my Tessa or whatever and um
23:15>> that way you'll have a good look to see
23:17what the battery is really doing.
23:19>> Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Great. I
23:21appreciate that. Thank you.
23:23>> No worries. All righty. Anyone else got
23:25any questions or comments?
23:33>> All right. Well, thanks for joining us.
23:35Um Pete, how would you uh
23:38>> No,
23:39>> I was going to say um
23:41>> how how does this all go with the uh
23:45version 14? I think there's 33 cars in
23:48Australia or something. or did you bring
23:50that up at the start?
23:52>> No. So, I'm going to get dig out the
23:55email that uh was sent to everyone who
23:59has FSD or wanted to
24:03subscribe to FSD.
24:05>> Got it in front of me if you need it.
24:07>> Yeah. No, I got it. Um, okay. So, I'll
24:10just got to check there's nothing uh
24:13until
24:15uh so I can put it up.
24:18Uh it's got my email address, but no one
24:21really cares about that. Uh I just got
24:23to check something. Yeah, let's zoom in
24:26a little bit.
24:27>> So, basically, it's got uh we're
24:30reaching out with an update regarding
24:32full self-driving supervised activation
24:33on your Model Y. This will also apply,
24:36by the way, to anyone that's got a very
24:37recent model 3. FSD supervised V14 for
24:43hardware for vehicles is in its final
24:46stages of local development and testing.
24:48This release represents a meaningful
24:50step forward in performance and
24:52capability, and we want to ensure your
24:54experience reflects that from the moment
24:58it's available on your vehicle. While we
25:00don't have a confirmed date to share
25:02just yet, please know that our team is
25:04actively working on development and
25:07you'll be notified as soon as an update
25:09is ready to install on your vehicle. For
25:11subscription customers, billing will
25:13again h sorry, billing will begin
25:16automatically once the software has been
25:18installed. Thanks for your patience. Now
25:21what's the big news thing is
25:24without uh relying on any inside
25:26information. If you read this as is
25:29written, it's basically implying that
25:32the only way you'll get FSD supervised
25:36on these recent cars is for it to be
25:39version 14. So what that if you read
25:43between the lines, what it's saying is
25:45version 13, which all of the older cars
25:48have with real FSD, is not compatible
25:52with these new cars. So that's the
25:55interpretation as you read between the
25:57lines.
25:59So really, it's just an update from the
26:01email that we all got as purchasers of
26:05these new cars prior to them arriving is
26:09we got the warning that said that um
26:11FSC, it didn't explain why, but this
26:13email basically, if you read between the
26:15lines, is saying that for whatever
26:17reason, the software incompatibility
26:20with these vehicles is such that Tesla
26:23is only running version 14 through them.
26:26And obviously, they're working on it.
26:28So that's that's the big story as far as
26:31and and I guess the good news then
26:33therefore means that once all of these
26:35new cars that have been deprived of FSD
26:38get FSD then the older cars namely the
26:42Highland Model 3s and the Juniper and
26:46some of the classic Model Y's the
26:47younger ones will also get um FSD
26:53version 14 which is great.
26:57It also
26:58>> fabulous
26:59>> model Y L. Yeah.
27:02>> Uh it's for well it's a Model Y L. So we
27:04know Model Y L is from Shanghai. We know
27:08that the
27:10performance Model Y from Berlin are also
27:14affected and we know the Model 3s which
27:18are also from Shanghai. um we don't get
27:21any cars from any other of the
27:23factories, but we definitely know that
27:25Shanghai and this is something that
27:27happened
27:28in the last few months
27:32um for for brand new cars that I I know
27:38for example my wife's um let's call it
27:41refreshed juniper or enhanced juniper,
27:44standard juniper long range that came
27:48out about in November.
27:50October, November last year that had to
27:53wait a little while but that got what we
27:55call now classic FS well the current FSD
27:58version 13 something. So between back
28:03then and a month or two ago there's been
28:07a change in the way Tesla set up these
28:09cars. And like I said, reading between
28:11the lines, it's basically saying that
28:13these cars will not use anything less
28:15than version 14,
28:18which they're working on. And something
28:20that's definitely official is that Tesla
28:23is working on its own version of FSD for
28:28Australian conditions. This is not a
28:31mirrored American version or right
28:34lefthand drive version. This is a an
28:36Australian
28:38trained specific
28:41right-hand drive version for Australian
28:43conditions.
28:45>> So, what's going to be interesting is
28:48what version 14 actually brings uh to
28:51Australia. So, whether we get the true
28:54pointto-oint, the car park to car park,
28:57whether that's one of the enhancements
29:00or I mean personally I'd just be happy
29:03if the reliability
29:05>> anything up
29:07>> basically true. Uh but yeah, I mean if
29:10it um the most of the mistakes seem to
29:13be from being in the wrong lane. So
29:16incorrect lane selection seems to be at
29:19the uh that and and car parks seem to be
29:23at the root of most of the um safety
29:27interventions that I've been doing. So
29:30yeah, if they can iron that out, that
29:32would be awesome. Uh if we get car park
29:35to car park that would be a very nice
29:38bonus.
29:40Um if we get to pick um your
29:44destination. So if you can say well you
29:47know I'm not just going to Lakeside
29:49Junop shopping center, I'm going to the
29:51Hoits car park or I'm going to the um
29:54Australia Post car park or what have
29:56you. That would be u that would be
29:58pretty cool. Um, but I don't think we'll
30:01get
30:03uh options for the different um driving
30:07modes, you know, like Mad Max and sloth
30:10and whatever. I think we'll just stay
30:12with the default one.
30:14>> In America, the the defiance of posted
30:18speed limits is normal behavior.
30:22Uh, and that's something that that is
30:25just not tolerated in Australia. So,
30:28>> but but even even an Australian version,
30:31I don't think we'll even get an
30:32Australian version of the different
30:34profiles, I think.
30:35>> No, no, because because our version will
30:37just do the speed limit because Mad Max,
30:40I think definitely speeds and stays with
30:43traffic and is more aggressive. I mean,
30:45the aggressiveness is is fine, but I
30:47think it definitely goes faster than the
30:50posted speed limits. And like I said, in
30:52Australia, that's just forbidden by
30:54definition. But you know how on osteo
30:58we've got um
31:01I forget what the names are because I
31:03haven't used it for so long. Uh you know
31:06how there's is it Mad Max? I think Mad
31:09Max is still one.
31:11>> Yeah.
31:12>> So the different profiles. So I don't
31:14think we'll get those profiles on the
31:17true supervised with city streets on
31:21hardware for I think we'll just yeah be
31:24stuck on that default one.
31:26>> We got Shane and Sarah joining us.
31:28>> Yeah. Yeah. They've been they've been
31:29with us for a little while and they're
31:31in a model. What what version FSD are
31:33you guys using?
31:35>> We haven't got one.
31:36>> We haven't we haven't even got premium
31:38connectivity in this thing.
31:39>> We're having to use Bluetooth for music.
31:43>> All right. So you got So you only got
31:44autopilot. Crappy autopilot.
31:46>> Only got autopilot. Yeah strikes along
31:49the way.
31:49>> Had a couple of strikes. Yeah.
31:52>> Yeah. At least they wear off fairly
31:53quickly. Um le autopilot sticks to the
31:56speed limit. Shane,
31:59>> this one this one only lets you go 10ks
32:01over.
32:03>> And the regular traffic is doing maybe
32:0620 25 over.
32:08>> And that's including the trucks like the
32:10semis and whatnot. They're doing 25ks
32:13over the limit
32:15>> because in Canadia they they they drive
32:18like the Americans.
32:21>> They're a bit crazy. Yep.
32:22>> Especially in the cities.
32:23>> So, whereabouts are you guys?
32:27>> Halfway across. Nearly. We're nearly in
32:29Winnipeg today.
32:30>> So, Oh, yes.
32:32>> Where actually are we?
32:34>> So, you're on the TransCanadian Highway.
32:36>> Yeah.
32:36>> Correct. Yeah. Cool.
32:37>> Yeah. We're
32:39>> This is the Can you see that? Canadian
32:41Tire. This is their Bunnings.
32:43>> Oh, hang on. Let me just uh let me just
32:46uh spotlight you so you can
32:50>> Canadian.
32:53>> Yeah, it's kind of like their Bunnings
32:54over here. They're they're sort of like
32:56>> sort of a Bunnings, but they're sort of
32:58everywhere
32:58>> and everywhere you go.
33:02>> Look at that.
33:03>> Bloody superchargers everywhere.
33:06$6 supercharger at Bunnings
33:09>> and at Bunnings and every little every
33:12little
33:13>> 150 200k max. It's
33:15>> just crazy.
33:16>> So So there were three Canadians that
33:18that took a Tesla without any
33:20intervention
33:22uh from east to west.
33:25And it's funny because a few people have
33:29been posting towards me on X saying,
33:32"Oh, you know, when are you going to do
33:34a a uh you know, Australia's first
33:36interventionless
33:39um lap around Australia
33:41>> intervention?"
33:42>> And
33:44>> oh, no intervention like not touching
33:46anything. Oh,
33:47>> like just hitting go on FSD. And this is
33:51including charging because because in
33:53America and and in um Canadia um the
33:57cars will reverse to a supercharger
34:00store. You don't have to for park. They
34:02do they do the whole lot right
34:04everything. Now in Australia I can
34:06guarantee you for the next 10 years I
34:08will never be able to do an
34:09interventionless
34:11um lap around Australia. Cuz how the
34:14hell do I tell my car to go around the
34:16back of Sandfire Roadhouse and park next
34:19to the next to the crappy unknown WV
34:22network tridium that probably won't be
34:24working anyway? So, or um how many
34:28kangaroos have you seen on the
34:29TransCanadian um highway lately?
34:32>> Actually, we haven't even seen any
34:34roadkill.
34:35>> I've seen nothing.
34:36>> No, because there's so much traffic and
34:39so many so many road trains or
34:41semi-trailers or whatever. It's it's
34:43like going on the eastern seabboard
34:45between say Sydney and um Brisbane.
34:49>> Yeah, there's bush and stuff, but
34:50there's no roadkill because there's no
34:52wildlife either left or they've got
34:54fences that are, you know, 8 foot fences
34:57>> that fence them in or fence them out,
34:59should I say.
35:00>> But in Australia where you got cattle
35:02going across the road
35:03>> with gay abandoned,
35:05>> there's all these all these warning
35:07signs for moose.
35:09>> Um but we're we well We wound up we
35:13wound up let's
35:14>> not jinx it.
35:14>> We wound up staying at a random
35:16Canadian's house last night just because
35:19long story
35:20>> the road was closed.
35:21>> Um
35:22>> there's only one road
35:23>> but we we're talking to them. We're
35:24saying about all these moose signs where
35:27where are all the moose? We haven't seen
35:29any.
35:30>> And um yeah, apparently that's not
35:32really a thing. Whereas in Australia if
35:35you see if you see a cow sign or a
35:37kangaroo sign you bloody obey it. Yeah,
35:40they are fair.
35:42Oh, very good.
35:43>> The charger charger network over here
35:44has just been a revelation. It's so
35:47good.
35:48>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you wanted to
35:50imagine towing a car, imagine towing
35:51your caravan.
35:53>> Yeah.
35:54>> The TransCan Canadian Highway. I mean,
35:55it would just be so easy.
35:57>> A Y with a big a big van yesterday on
35:59it. We didn't get chance to chat to them
36:01actually.
36:01>> And we spoke to a Cyber Truck guy with a
36:03big caravan as well.
36:04>> He's only getting what was he 180 range
36:06out of his
36:06>> something like that. Yeah. Not much.
36:08>> Yeah. Not much. No, that's right. Oh,
36:11very good. So, you guys are halfway
36:12through your trip then.
36:14>> Yeah,
36:14>> pretty much. Awesome.
36:15>> Heading to the mountain.
36:17>> Um,
36:17>> yes, that'll be good.
36:19>> Fantastic.
36:20>> All right.
36:21>> One one thing that we did did do right
36:22in Australia is all have the same
36:24>> Oh, yeah.
36:25>> All the same plugs.
36:27>> Yeah. There are about four different
36:28types of plugs. Um,
36:30>> so superchargers are fine, but any other
36:32DC you need an adapter.
36:34>> Yes, that's right.
36:36>> Don't come with a higher car. Yeah, it's
36:38it's been great being in a familiar car,
36:41even if it's on the other side of the
36:42car, another side of the road.
36:44>> It it is. No, it and and even with
36:47ordinary autopilot, it just takes away
36:49that
36:50>> it does just that extra level of
36:51thinking,
36:52>> that minutia, it just Yeah, it lets your
36:54brain relax for a while and you get used
36:56to your sitting position and stuff. So,
36:59>> yeah. and just jumping in, you know,
37:00you're on a plane for 27 hours, jump in
37:02your high car and it will set to your,
37:04you know, all of the easy easy kind of
37:07things.
37:08>> Kind of funny. You scan the little QR
37:10code in the car and it sets your um it
37:13sets all your mirror positions in
37:15everything but everything's backwards.
37:18So, your mirrors your mirrors don't
37:20exactly work cuz they're backwards.
37:24>> Ah, well, there you go. There's a
37:26feature request. Who would have who
37:28would have funked it that um Hey Tesla,
37:30you need to mirror the mirror.
37:31>> Check which country we're in, please.
37:33>> You need to invert the mirror in the C
37:35position. Yeah.
37:36>> Well, yeah, the premium connectivity is
37:37a bit of a pain. So, I don't know if
37:38anyone there's got any suggestions for
37:40us because
37:42>> and if it involves,
37:45>> forget it.
37:46>> Forget talking to Herz. It's pointless.
37:48Um
37:49>> Yeah. The only thing you can do is is uh
37:52uh spot uh spot thingy off your um
37:56mobile
37:56>> hotspot off the phone.
37:58>> Hot hotspot off your phone. That's all
37:59you can do.
38:00>> Yeah,
38:00>> unfortunately.
38:01>> That's a shame. That's a shame.
38:03>> In hindsight, you could have had a
38:04Starling You could have bought a
38:05Starling Mini with you and that for a
38:08month you get the same service.
38:10>> I think we had we were
38:12>> I think we're pretty much on our baggage
38:13limit.
38:13>> Yeah, we were 500 g short of baggage
38:15anyway. So, it wasn't happening.
38:18Yeah, that's it. All right. Well, it's
38:21great that you guys are having fun.
38:22>> Yeah. Yeah. Do keep going. And uh good
38:25to see you.
38:25>> Start today.
38:26>> Yeah. It was 10 7 in the morning
38:28yesterday. Wednesday morning. So,
38:31>> this morning. It's tonight.
38:32>> Yeah. Where where you from?
38:34>> 7 a.m. this morning.
38:36>> Yeah.
38:37>> Well, we can tell you that lunch lunch
38:39was good. So, you got lunch to look
38:40forward to. There's no dramas.
38:42>> Keep driving. Keep driving. You'll get
38:43there.
38:44>> And dinner was great. By by dinner time,
38:47you should be uh several hundred miles
38:49down the road.
38:50>> Oh, we will. The And the roads have been
38:52great and we've been lucky with the
38:53weather. So,
38:53>> yeah.
38:54>> Yeah. Fantastic.
38:55>> So far,
38:56>> happy day.
38:56>> Awesome. Enjoy. All right. Good to see
38:59you guys. Take care. Cheers.
39:03>> All righty. Uh that little interlude.
39:06Has anyone got any other questions or
39:07comments?
39:08>> Uh with regard to um the update, will
39:12they fix the speed? cuz we've just stood
39:15across Australia and the speed has been
39:18appalling where it's just you set it at
39:20110 115 and it just does 100.
39:27>> Mine used to do 90.
39:28>> Yeah, it does. Sometimes it drifts right
39:30the way down to 90 and you think why it
39:34is that all the things it might you
39:36could understand them getting wrong. I
39:38can't understand why the speed just
39:39drifts down.
39:42Yeah.
39:44I thought 115 that might actually keep
39:46you 105. It didn't. It just
39:48>> No. So when you do that on FSD on on the
39:52um proper FSD,
39:55it's as you approach that limit, it's
39:58actually a maximum speed which is
40:00hardcoded into the software.
40:03So the car will not basically go above
40:06that that speed. And if you invoke it to
40:08slow it down to that maximum, it the car
40:11will quite quickly respond and go down
40:13to that to be no more than that speed.
40:16>> But it unfortunately doesn't take it as
40:19like a suggestion of where it you want
40:21it to be. It's just a hard limit. So
40:24it's uh
40:25>> it doesn't even kick. I mean it's 110
40:27speed limit or even 130 in the Northern
40:29Territory and it was going down to 100
40:32>> in the end. I just got used to driving
40:33around at 100. Just like I'll stuff it.
40:35It's just a lot easier to just like
40:37cruise along at 100.
40:38>> Just tap your just tap your right foot.
40:40You get a sore toe, but you just keep
40:43helping it with the accelerator.
40:44>> It just Yeah, but then you it perfects
40:46your economy because you're constantly
40:47going up and down and up and down. If
40:49you just keep 100, your economy goes
40:51really good.
40:52>> So, it's just a pain.
40:55>> Yeah. Well, yeah. It's a It's a classic
40:58first world tested problem with FSD. Um,
41:01which hopefully they will. Yeah, but it
41:03should if you set 110 and it's 110, it
41:05should stick 110. It did did with
41:08autopilot.
41:11>> Now, there's actually a good segue with
41:13um Shane and Sarah who are in Canada or
41:17so uh Canadia, which is not that far
41:20from Route 66.
41:22>> Well, it is actually. It's a long it's
41:23it's thousands of miles from Route 66.
41:26But the reason why 66 is a is an
41:29important number is because that's the
41:33rank of Mark and Shirley who just came
41:37back from a successful circumnavigation
41:39of Australia. They are the 66th
41:43>> uh uh around Australia um lap in a pure
41:47EV.
41:49>> So beaten beaten by James 65th.
41:52>> No. Uh, no. There was James. James and
41:55Janine were 64.
41:57>> And then Rod O'Donnell uh in Aza was uh
42:0265.
42:03>> That's it.
42:04>> So 66 66 67 68.
42:08Just need two more people to go around.
42:11Just two more. Um
42:15>> Tesla. I want FSD soonish.
42:18>> Yes. I would like to be 42.
42:21>> Yeah. Uh, who was 42?
42:24Who was 42? Uh, Tim Dero in a uh highend
42:30Kona.
42:31>> Tim's Tim's a a sand graer from Harvey.
42:34So, he was 42.
42:37>> So, there you go. So, how was it? Um,
42:39Mark, um, tell us a little bit about
42:41your lap because I don't I can't
42:43remember. You haven't been on the
42:44program for a long time. So,
42:47>> no, no, because we wait for 10 weeks.
42:48Spent 10 weeks doing it. Not not 10
42:50days. Good. Your your your 10 days be 10
42:53weeks.
42:55>> That's a great way of doing it. Just
42:56quietly. 10 weeks would be awesome.
42:59>> It was It was very very good. Very very
43:01enjoyable. Brilliant. And um what's it
43:04full self-driving saved us from one of
43:07the the Brahman cow cows up there.
43:10>> Yep. Driving along really narrow road.
43:13Bush fairly close in either side.
43:15Warnings of cattle.
43:17>> Saw some cattle up ahead. Slowed down
43:19for the cattle. watching in left hand
43:21side all the side and one came out from
43:23the right which I never saw. The first
43:25thing I knew about it was the car was
43:26breaking. I saw it and hit the brakes. I
43:29missed it by six foot.
43:31>> Yes. Yeah. Unlike someone else I know
43:33who didn't.
43:36>> Yes. But that was autopilot.
43:39>> Yeah,
43:39>> that was autopilot. And it was dark as
43:41well when you I was in daylight at
43:43least.
43:44>> Yeah. And there was a guy in a Subaru
43:46facing the other way with his LED light
43:48bar blinding everything. But um never
43:51mind.
43:53>> It was absolutely brilliant. Really
43:54really enjoyed it.
43:57>> Fantastic. Um so would you recommend
43:59>> was a game changer.
44:01>> Well, would you recommend anyone else
44:02does it anytime soon?
44:04>> Oh yes, definitely. If if you've got the
44:06time, you got the money, just do it.
44:09>> I wonder where we passed you, Mark. Cuz
44:11um
44:12>> I don't know where you passed it. If you
44:14went around the other way.
44:16>> Yeah.
44:17>> I mean, you you literally you literally
44:18live three three or four streets away
44:20from us.
44:21>> Yeah.
44:22>> If you were going around one, we were
44:23going around the other.
44:25>> Sorry, Mark. I haven't been
44:28>> Is that a full lap you did? Sorry,
44:30James.
44:30>> Yeah, full lap. Yeah.
44:31>> Oh, awesome. Sorry.
44:33>> But we did we did the full lap and we
44:35went we took Rob's advice and took the
44:37Savannah way up at the top there. who
44:39went a bit higher up Queensland and
44:41across the top and that was a bit of a
44:43pain
44:45>> because how did why why was it a pain
44:48there?
44:49because uh we've got one day where we've
44:51got 476
44:53KS I think it was to do
44:56um may have been just a bit less than
44:58that and um as we're going across there
45:01was a detour
45:04100k detour
45:07and no refueling spot and eventually I
45:09ended up limping into the uh place with
45:142% left on the battery
45:16>> and what's more what's more I had
45:18street. I had to go across about an 8 in
45:22probably
45:2440 50 m we across
45:29thing and this was this was a a um done
45:33by the roads department. This was the
45:36detour that everyone was supposed to go
45:38down and going up the other side was
45:40like he was
45:42I I just looked at it and went this is
45:45the four-wheel drive and this is not for
45:46a Model Y but I had no battery to turn
45:50around. I had no option. I had to go
45:52forward and that's where tech actual the
45:55software and everything was telling me
45:56to go and that was a roads thing. In
45:58fact, at one point there was a grader
45:59coming the other way. We had to move
46:01over to let the grader pass because they
46:03were still making it trackable.
46:07So, um
46:10I guess yeah, it's a bit like that Star
46:12Treking Star Treking song, always moving
46:15forward cuz we can't find reverse. So,
46:17for you, there was no reverse. It was
46:19just
46:19>> because there was no option. I didn't
46:21have any only way I could go was
46:22forward. All I do is keep going slower
46:24to ek out my range to get in.
46:28>> And how did you get that sort of tip?
46:30Where' you where' you find that
46:32information as a test drive? There's a
46:34couple of old guys I know who've done it
46:36before.
46:36>> Well, there's a show called Ask Is
46:38Anything where it's like, and this is
46:40why we bang on that EVs are great
46:43because you're in a bind.
46:46>> Yeah.
46:48>> Unbelievable source. The whole lot of
46:50you are all unbelievable source
46:52>> and thank you very much for your help.
46:55>> Oh, no. It's the club. It's it's all of
46:57us in in the in the ones anything that
47:00that Yeah. contribute to the to the um
47:03to that knowledge that you know if
47:05you're really in a pickle just slow down
47:07if you really have to because you'll
47:09just stretch your range and
47:11>> it was it was amazing what a difference
47:12it made.
47:14>> Yep.
47:14>> It really blew me away what a difference
47:16it made.
47:17>> Yep. And with 2% you probably had an
47:19extra 15ks you could have driven anyway
47:22or or 10ks.
47:24>> So you know you you romped it in. You
47:27know you could have sped up towards the
47:28end.
47:32Excellent. Oh, that's cool. That's
47:34>> It was good.
47:35>> Well, congratulations number 66. That's
47:37twothirds the way to the century.
47:40>> So,
47:41>> and you know, the first the first uh
47:43person to go round was Glenn George in
47:452011.
47:47>> Incredible that with 33 kW battery.
47:50>> Yep. And uh it took another 5 years for
47:55Richard McNeel from Sydney to be number
47:58two in September 2016.
48:01>> So really in let's call it 10 years
48:04we've had 65 people go around or 65 cars
48:07go around.
48:08>> So
48:09>> how accurate is that do you think? You
48:10think it's pretty accurate for the
48:11amount of people?
48:12>> This is accurate. the the early ones are
48:14dead accurate because we know because
48:17>> um
48:20>> everyone posted in the old days on plug
48:22share I mean it was unavoidable you
48:24basically everyone did because there was
48:25so few
48:27>> um look in modern times there might be a
48:30bit of error
48:31>> but we're doing the best we can
48:33>> but sadly it's not dozens and dozens out
48:38it's probably only a handful if that
48:40tops
48:42>> um so it's still a very good indicator
48:44of what's going on. And I guess that's
48:46the point as a relative measure. What we
48:49want to see is, you know, um I mean,
48:52look, if we if we just open I'll just
48:55put up the um screen. So Glenn George
48:582011 then you know you've got September
49:0116, November 16, that's kind of the
49:04driving season but then there was
49:06nothing until Sylvia you know 18 months
49:09later you know 2018 2018 2018 then you
49:13got 2019 2019 you've only got a handful
49:16a year in 2020 obviously the co the co
49:19era
49:20>> and then you know it slowly sort of
49:23starts ramping up but it's you know
49:26happily towards the bottom. We're
49:27starting to get, you know, we've got
49:30three this year so far and we've got
49:33quite a few in 2025, which is really
49:36great. You know, you got more than a
49:38dozen in 25. But
49:40>> um we really want to see exponential
49:42growth. But again, sadly, and that's and
49:45that's why I'm going to bang on again.
49:47We need the
49:48>> the only way to cross the nullore
49:50reliably
49:53>> um is is for is to do it the same way as
49:57you cross the eastern seabboard reliably
50:00which is with Tesla superchargers.
50:02>> Yeah.
50:02>> It's sadly the only way
50:04>> and the same at the top end there across
50:07the top end is still switching it
50:09especially the vandalized ones. Even the
50:11ones that supposed to be they're just
50:13vandalized. They just they just don't
50:14work. So, where did you overnight? Um,
50:17Mark, did you overnight at Fitzroy River
50:19Lodge?
50:21>> No,
50:23we went to the inn. It's a lovely place
50:26>> at Fitzroy Crossing.
50:28>> Yeah, Fitzroy Inn. I
50:30>> think it's called Fitzroy Inn.
50:32>> It's a little bit around the corner from
50:34the Fitzroy Lodge.
50:35>> It's a fantastic place.
50:38>> You pull in there and
50:41>> it's a very, very rough donga. very very
50:44rough. We went to the bar
50:47and was just full of um indigenous
50:50people. Fair enough. No, no problem with
50:52that. Went up to the bar. Yeah. Want to
50:55drink? Oh, shows your driving license.
50:57Show his driving license.
50:59>> You have to blow first.
51:01>> Then you had to blow in a breathalyzer
51:04before they would tell you what they got
51:06to drink. And when you asked them what
51:07they got to drink, all they had were
51:08tins of beer. Didn't you have any draft
51:10beer? Didn't have any wine. Just tins of
51:13beer. That's all you can get. You have
51:14to blow a breathalyzer before they give
51:16you a drink.
51:17>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
51:18>> First time ever.
51:20>> But they don't ever get you to blow
51:21again. It's really funny. It's You blow
51:23the first time, blow zero the first time
51:25and then you can have as many as you
51:27like
51:28>> and you swap can for can. So you you
51:30have one can out, one can in.
51:33>> Yeah. Yeah.
51:35>> Yeah. Right. So what's disappointing is
51:37>> well
51:37>> the only place to charge on threephase
51:41at Fitzroy crossing is at the Fitzroy
51:44River Lodge.
51:45>> That's the only source of three-phase
51:47charging because if you looked at it's
51:50now been removed off plug share. We got
51:52it removed.
51:53>> But at the BP uh the three-phase plugs
51:56just been smashed to pieces.
51:58>> Yeah.
51:58>> And um Holes Creek is not much better.
52:01You've got the the the um three-phase
52:04working. Yeah,
52:05>> but the camp power has been smashed to
52:07pieces and is not working.
52:09>> Yeah.
52:10>> Um the one good thing about the lodge
52:12was uh not the lodge, sorry. The uh the
52:16thing I think it's called the Fitz Roy
52:17in Fitzroy Motel or something
52:20>> and um that that one um they did let us
52:22use the caravan socket
52:24>> and that was enough. That's all I
52:26needed. I got enough charge when we
52:27arrived in to just use that and that
52:29just topped us up and that gave us
52:30enough to get on. So you filled up at
52:33the uh Mueller ranges.
52:35>> Yeah, I filled right the way up. Yeah.
52:38>> Yeah.
52:38>> And then when I got there, I'd got to
52:39things I just managed to use the 15 amp
52:41and um just kept it under 15 amp just so
52:44it didn't trip.
52:45>> Yeah.
52:45>> And that was more than enough
52:47>> to get exact exactly the same. We filled
52:49fully up at Mueller range.
52:51>> Yeah.
52:51>> We're rear wheel drive um 2022.
52:54>> Yeah. All credit to you was it to do it
52:56with a shorter range because there's a
52:58few places I used every bit of range up
53:00of ours. And we went to the um we went
53:02to the the lodge though, didn't use the
53:05tree phase. We got in there about 8:00
53:07at night, plugged in, showered, went to
53:10bed, woke up, and we woke up on 90 on
53:1399%. So,
53:14>> wasn't I wish I wish we could have done,
53:16but the lodge the lodge was full. They
53:19got a coach trip going through
53:21>> and so that the night we wanted, we
53:23couldn't get.
53:24>> Oh, we were camping in the car though,
53:25so that's all right.
53:27>> Caravan site.
53:28>> Yeah.
53:30Very good. Oh, he did well there.
53:32>> We went stupid. We're about to go um
53:34because we didn't go to far north
53:36Queensland because of the cyclone.
53:39>> Oh, yes. Yeah.
53:39>> So, we skipped that.
53:41>> Yeah.
53:42>> So, next school holidays we're leaving.
53:44We were driving to Cans and back. Not
53:47doing a lap, just going to Can back.
53:48>> Yeah. All right.
53:50>> And Mark, guess what? Guess what?
53:52They're doing it in
53:53>> what?
53:55>> James.
53:56>> No. No. We're doing it in our rear wheel
53:58drive. A new one will not arrive.
54:00>> Will not arrive unfortunately.
54:02>> Oh, what if you got ordered?
54:04>> Ordered.
54:05>> Yep.
54:08>> Wow.
54:09>> Cuz the score in four four weeks time.
54:12>> What have you got ordered, James?
54:14>> We got a Sorry, James. I thought I think
54:15we're going to do it in September
54:16holidays.
54:17>> Uh we were, but other things in the
54:19family have come up and we won't be able
54:20to go on those holidays.
54:21>> Yeah. Okay, cool. So if anyone is not
54:24taking delivery of their Y, we are happy
54:26to swap order in the queue because we
54:28really like to not have to stop that
54:31extra few times.
54:33>> Yeah.
54:33>> Right. Uh good luck with that ambition
54:35there, James. Um
54:38>> yes.
54:38>> Oh, Model Y. That
54:40>> someone can lend you a model. How
54:42>> does that go? That about 620 or
54:44something like that now.
54:45>> Yeah. Well, it's funny. Um cuz when we
54:47hit a kangaroo on the way back on the
54:49way back.
54:49>> Oh, you didn't, did you? Yeah, we did in
54:52broom.
54:52>> Um bit of caffer tape, some drip ties,
54:54all good. Um we got a loan car from
54:58Tesla. Um because they do the $85 a day
55:01covered by insurance. And when I picked
55:03it up, it was um he said, "Oh, we need
55:07your car for 10 days." I said, "Oh,
55:08what's the kilometer range on this? How
55:10many kilometers are we allowed to do?"
55:11He said, "Oh, don't worry about it. It's
55:12a petrol car. There's no limit." And
55:14then he turned around and said, "How far
55:16could you go in 10 days?
55:21accepted.
55:26>> Well, they got a they got an hour at Sky
55:28Bridge Road. Just go and test drive it
55:30and bring it back in 10 days.
55:37>> Oh, dear me. Yes.
55:39>> Can I borrow for the weekend, please?
55:41>> Yes. Yes. Very good. Oh, that's great,
55:45um, Mark, that you got back safely. And
55:47like I said, uh, congratulations number
55:5066.
55:51>> And, um, yeah,
55:54>> I did send you an email. I've got you
55:56the cons cable stuff still. I've got the
55:58spare wheel.
55:59>> Oh, sorry. No, you sent me sent me a
56:01text and I I was just super busy and I
56:03just didn't get round to it.
56:04>> It's all right. So, it's all right if I
56:05give you that back on Sunday. Are you
56:06there on Sunday?
56:07>> Uh, I'll probably be there. So, bring it
56:10with you and
56:11>> if I'll grab it off you need I need it
56:13in a few weeks
56:16>> if that's the case. Yeah. and you can
56:17back into your office.
56:19>> Can I
56:20>> um
56:20>> Hello.
56:21>> Yes, Stefan.
56:23>> Yeah, look, I've got a totally different
56:25question and then I'll leave alone. Um
56:29I've got a wall charger which I got with
56:32my first Tesla. I now got a Model Y.
56:35Anyway, my wife's probably getting an MG
56:39S5 electric car, which I think also has
56:44the right charging connector. Is it
56:47possible with this small charger that
56:49I've got to charge that car?
56:53>> It depends. So,
56:56has it got You got to look at the
56:59instructions for the charger. If it's
57:01the
57:03if it's the very oldest one, which it
57:05won't be if it's
57:07>> No, my I got my I got my wall charger in
57:112019.
57:13>> I think it's in in the danger period.
57:15So, the correct answer will be you
57:18probably won't be able to know until you
57:20try it
57:22>> if it's compatible. if you've still got
57:24the instruction manual for it. Or you
57:26can just look up
57:28take a photo of the side panel which has
57:32got the
57:34um product code, the model code. Yeah.
57:38And Google the instructions for it. Some
57:41of them had like a rotary switch or No,
57:44no. Yeah, they had a rotary switch to
57:46set the current limit and then they had
57:49a couple of um dip switches to set the
57:53mode and on one
57:57uh span of them, so for a certain number
57:59of months or a year or whatever, that
58:02particular model had the option of
58:04having Tesla only or all EVs as a manual
58:08setting.
58:10>> Well, well, this one, this one has got
58:12nothing. Absolutely nothing.
58:13>> No, no, no. It's inside. No, no, no.
58:14It's inside. You won't see it on the
58:16outside. This is inside
58:18>> where the actual physical connection,
58:20electrical connections are made to the
58:22to the circuit board. There there will
58:25be a a rotary switch and there may or
58:28may not be a couple of dip switches, a
58:30little little mini switches. M
58:33>> um so do look at the model number for it
58:37and Google the instructions if you don't
58:40still have them and just check to see
58:42whether there's the option for that to
58:44charge non-Tesla EVs because Tesla uses
58:49a different communications protocol than
58:52normal cars when it comes to talking to
58:54their own wall connectors.
58:58Um, so the very oldest ones were
59:01compatible with everything. There was a
59:03middle range version that was not
59:05compatible with non-Teslas and then that
59:08compatibility returned as a selectable
59:11option. And the very modern ones now
59:13that you can buy for about $800.
59:16Uh, there's a software option which you
59:20set under a web page that can absolutely
59:23open it to all EVs. So Stefan, the the
59:26the correct answer is we don't know, but
59:29you should be able to find out by
59:31looking at the um the model name or
59:34model number and Google the
59:36instructions. And then it's if in if it
59:39does come to pass that it can be done,
59:41you've just got to um take the the front
59:45fascia off, which is there's a Torx um
59:50screw at the bottom of that main silver
59:53sort of plate that covers up the LEDs.
59:57At the very bottom, there's a single
59:58screw that holds that in place. You can
1:00:02then lift it off and then you'll find
1:00:04about
1:00:05a dozen screws underneath that that hold
1:00:09the the main physical ceiling sort of
1:00:12lid which then gets you access to the uh
1:00:15switches inside.
1:00:17>> Okay. All right. I shall It's not a big
1:00:20deal because the car comes with its own
1:00:23charger which you can just plug into the
1:00:25wall anywhere.
1:00:26>> Yeah. Do do you have singlephase or
1:00:28three-phase power?
1:00:29>> No, single phase. Yeah. See, that would
1:00:32work perfectly then for your wife's car
1:00:33because that will have a singlephase
1:00:35charger, which means you you'd be on 32
1:00:38amps single phase, which is
1:00:40>> that's what my wall charger is.
1:00:43>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Now, if it comes to
1:00:45pass that that that wall charger that
1:00:49you've got is not compatible,
1:00:52then a good value proposition is to get
1:00:55Tesla's new one and that will charge
1:00:58both cars seamlessly.
1:01:01Okay. All right.
1:01:02>> Um otherwise, you've got to fuff around.
1:01:04I mean, look, if your wife doesn't drive
1:01:05a car very much, you could just use the
1:01:0810 or 15 amp
1:01:10um
1:01:12wall connector or something like that
1:01:14that comes with the car, it'll just take
1:01:16a lot longer to charge. But if she
1:01:18doesn't use it very much compared to say
1:01:20your main car, then that's probably a
1:01:22viable solution, too.
1:01:24>> Okay. All right. Thank you very much.
1:01:26>> Well, good luck with that. All the best
1:01:28with it. Um, all righty. Any other
1:01:30questions or comments?
1:01:34>> I got an a question. I've just noticed
1:01:37on my Tesla
1:01:40uh door trim where I normally just put
1:01:42my arm up and hold the steering wheel
1:01:44couple of fingers while it's on SSD,
1:01:47there's a a big dent.
1:01:49>> Yep.
1:01:49>> Where my elbow sits on the door. So
1:01:52Terry, you you must have learned the
1:01:54same lesson from your father as I
1:01:56learned from mine, which is the best way
1:01:59to keep your car driving straight is to
1:02:01hold Yeah.
1:02:02>> uh your right hand onto the steering
1:02:04wheel and just lean your elbow on the
1:02:06side and then that way when you turn
1:02:08your head, if you're manually driving,
1:02:10you don't Yeah. the car doesn't follow
1:02:12the direction of your head. So my
1:02:17all my cars as soon as I drive a single
1:02:20lap within 2 or 3 days there's a full-on
1:02:23dent there on the on the what? It's just
1:02:25what happens Terry.
1:02:27>> I'm not happy I'm taking that in. I want
1:02:28it fixed. So they shouldn't dent surely.
1:02:32It's not that much pressure.
1:02:35>> I'm questioning the Tesla anyhow. So
1:02:38>> yeah, good luck with that. Um I've seen
1:02:40it. It's very common. Yeah. And I mean,
1:02:42look, yeah, all the all the best for for
1:02:45seeing what happens. I don't know what
1:02:47they can do about it to be perfectly
1:02:49honest because they're all built, all
1:02:50those cars are built the same and
1:02:52they've done that dent.
1:02:54>> My
1:02:56my brand new Y L hasn't got the dent
1:02:58much because actually when you're
1:03:00driving on FSD,
1:03:02proper FSD, which I haven't yet, um
1:03:06there is no dent because you don't have
1:03:08to hold your hand that way anymore. You
1:03:09don't have to hold the steering wheel
1:03:10for that matter. But on autopilot you
1:03:13do. Um, and yeah, all my cars, my
1:03:17classic Model Y did it. My
1:03:21uh Model X, can't remember, but the
1:03:24wires I've had have all done it. And my
1:03:27my brand new YL is developing one
1:03:30because I haven't got FSD yet. So, I do
1:03:32hold my hand in that position all the
1:03:35time.
1:03:36>> When I told the service division, they
1:03:37were bamboozled. They said, "Let's bring
1:03:39it in. We want to have a look." So, you
1:03:42never know.
1:03:42>> Oh, tell him tell him that Harold said
1:03:45he got it within three days of of his
1:03:47first lap in in each of those cars.
1:03:50>> Shouldn't be there.
1:03:53>> Yeah. But only thing, Terry, is if they
1:03:55replace if they replace the trim, I bet
1:03:59everything that I've own that it'll come
1:04:01right back because it's just what
1:04:03happens. It's
1:04:06>> Yeah.
1:04:07>> Oh, that's the bad.
1:04:09>> Good to see. Yeah. Did someone notice it
1:04:11ahead of me off it? No, it's natural.
1:04:14>> Yeah, I don't I didn't think I ever
1:04:15bothered to take a photo of it, but No,
1:04:16no, seriously. Um, on my on my blue
1:04:20juniper, I got it after day three. Not
1:04:24even it wasn't even maybe it was the
1:04:25second day on my lap. I think I was I
1:04:28don't know on the way to broom and I
1:04:29noticed it. It It forms very quickly.
1:04:32>> Yeah, but my out of didn't do it. Didn't
1:04:35happen. And I had it for two years.
1:04:39Yeah, I've had it on the performance Y.
1:04:41I've had it on the standard range Y that
1:04:45um that uh James Mland's got and Pete
1:04:49Petroski
1:04:51>> I think still has. Uh I got that on my
1:04:53lap of that as well. I because my elbow
1:04:56does not move from that one position.
1:04:58It's always exactly the same position.
1:05:00>> So we're the only two that's happened to
1:05:01you. No one else.
1:05:02>> We're the two we're the we're the two
1:05:03idiots that listened to our fathers and
1:05:05took their advice.
1:05:07Oh god.
1:05:09>> Everyone else drives two and two and 10,
1:05:11don't they? That's what that's how they
1:05:13drive.
1:05:14>> We just go We just go 230 with on the on
1:05:17the el. That's it. You know,
1:05:19>> I've I've got I've got my dents on top
1:05:21of my thighs because that's where I had
1:05:24my
1:05:25>> the back of my hands.
1:05:27>> Yeah. Right. Yeah. No,
1:05:29>> but interestingly, I I developed that
1:05:31with FSD supervised.
1:05:33>> Yeah. Now that I'm driving autopilot
1:05:36again, I'm still doing it. Still holding
1:05:39the steering wheel the same way
1:05:42>> because I with my autopilot, I do what
1:05:45Pete did. But then if I take it out
1:05:47autopilot, I go back to the same as you
1:05:49guys
1:05:53>> don't have because I don't have it all
1:05:55the time.
1:05:55>> It's not what I wanted to hear, but I'm
1:05:57going to go and fight for fight.
1:06:00>> That's right. Um,
1:06:03>> big big shout out to the Tesla service
1:06:05guys. Don't listen to Terry. He's just
1:06:07trying to hoodwink you.
1:06:09>> We It's It's a known issue.
1:06:12>> Take a six-pack or something and then
1:06:14have a chat to them. You know,
1:06:15>> I'm even taking a bottle of CC. That's
1:06:17fine. I can't see.
1:06:18>> The only thing The only thing, Terry, is
1:06:20like I said, even if they for whatever
1:06:22reason change your trim, I'll bet London
1:06:24to a brick it'll come right back if you
1:06:26do the same maneuver. It'll It's just
1:06:29the way it's made. Yeah, they like to
1:06:32see me complain any. I said, give them
1:06:33something to do.
1:06:35>> Well, I can ask you how your um new
1:06:37screen's going if it's just as good as
1:06:40it was.
1:06:40>> After a while, you just see it a lot
1:06:42clearer. You don't worry about the size
1:06:45too much, but it's the clarity of
1:06:47>> Yeah, that's true.
1:06:49>> It's a lovely screen.
1:06:50>> I reckon it's worth it. Yeah,
1:06:52>> it is. It is.
1:06:55>> They'll probably tell they'll probably
1:06:56tell you it's a safety feature. It
1:06:58prevents your elbow sliding away and
1:07:00stops you losing control.
1:07:04>> They do it on purpose. Yeah,
1:07:06>> exactly.
1:07:07>> I put um Someone's got a hand up, but I
1:07:09put a post in for the um for a uh my new
1:07:11idea of a um Tesla accessory.
1:07:14>> Uh we're going to go straight to John in
1:07:16two seconds. I'm just going to uh click
1:07:18on this, which why is that not working?
1:07:21It is coming up. There it is.
1:07:24Um,
1:07:28Tesla elbow pad.
1:07:34>> That's dents in the door armrest because
1:07:37your elbows have feelings and so does
1:07:39your Tesla.
1:07:40>> Paint pending.
1:07:44>> Interesting.
1:07:45>> Very good. Very good.
1:07:48Excellent. All righty. Um John, you got
1:07:52your hand up.
1:07:54>> Yeah. Um previous um episodes we've
1:07:58we've discussed um the merit of having
1:08:01um a grill on the front um for air
1:08:05intake, but I wanted to also well I
1:08:09wanted to discuss and just see what the
1:08:11thoughts are on some other accessories
1:08:14related to air intake. I've got um well,
1:08:18namely the first one is um like the air
1:08:20intake um under the under the hood which
1:08:24is for the air conditioning.
1:08:26>> I can put a maybe an image in the chat.
1:08:31>> No. Oh yeah. Yeah. Put in the chat.
1:08:32Yeah. Yeah. Um I've never used one.
1:08:35Don't know if anyone else has. It's
1:08:37>> I have.
1:08:39>> Yep. Yep. I have.
1:08:40>> Cool. And I have
1:08:42>> Have Mark and Have Mark and Mike and
1:08:45Steve found it useful or was it just
1:08:47>> Yes, mine was actually full of
1:08:50butterflies um going around the lap.
1:08:52Absolutely full of them. And those would
1:08:54have all been remember you said you
1:08:56filled up near your fan one time by all
1:08:58the stuff going in that bottom intake
1:09:00and getting shoved through.
1:09:01>> No, no, that's
1:09:02>> No, no, no, Mark. No, no. It means the
1:09:04um air con intake which is at the top
1:09:06part of it's at the back part of your
1:09:07bonnet. So if you lift your bonnet back
1:09:10Yeah. I when I bought that I bought one
1:09:12of those as well.
1:09:13>> Yes. But did you find any detritus? Have
1:09:16you found anything?
1:09:17>> I haven't I haven't really found much on
1:09:18that one at all now. In all fairness.
1:09:21>> Yeah.
1:09:21>> It wasn't that one either.
1:09:29>> Yeah. I'm just saying that it didn't
1:09:30cost much. Um but I haven't found it
1:09:34anything caught on it either. So
1:09:37>> dollar each way on that one.
1:09:39>> Yeah. Yeah, mine. I bought the bottom
1:09:41grill and the bottom grill, but it was
1:09:43only a matter of about 10 bucks extra
1:09:45and you got that thrown in with it. So,
1:09:46I got the two together.
1:09:48So John, it sounds like the consensus is
1:09:53>> it's nowhere near as useful, actually as
1:09:56essential as the bottom one, as the main
1:09:59intake, which is
1:10:00>> I I actually think every I think Tesla
1:10:02should just have them as a as an
1:10:04accessory full stop because
1:10:08>> that the these our cars, the S, sorry,
1:10:11the three and the Y are basically filter
1:10:14feeders and all the air that goes goes
1:10:18through any object that goes along with
1:10:20it just gets filtered by the radiator
1:10:22and never leaves. It never goes. It
1:10:24stays there until it's manually removed.
1:10:27>> And
1:10:28>> yeah, it's essential. But but the air
1:10:30con one at the top at the back of the of
1:10:33the um of the bonnet much less
1:10:36essential.
1:10:37>> Can you see the image I've put up?
1:10:39>> Um
1:10:41>> just for
1:10:41>> Yes. So
1:10:42>> everybody can see it.
1:10:44>> Just trying. Yep. The top one does
1:10:46depend on what vehicle you've got and
1:10:49how frequently you park under trees and
1:10:52such.
1:10:53>> Yeah, that's what I've got.
1:10:56>> And and the second image I've put up is
1:10:59um what they call a um front trunk cowl
1:11:03water seal and hood. So it looks like
1:11:06it's like a it bridges the gap between
1:11:10like there's a opening
1:11:12um y
1:11:14>> in between the on the left and the right
1:11:16probably for the airflow to come in.
1:11:20>> Yep.
1:11:23Um,
1:11:23>> now I just wonder whether that would
1:11:25actually be a disadvantage and whether
1:11:26it actually would restrict or even one
1:11:29or both of them would restrict the air
1:11:31flow,
1:11:33>> but it's primary objective is to prevent
1:11:36leaves and water coming in, but or would
1:11:38that be? Look, there's no doubt that the
1:11:40bottom one the the bottom the main
1:11:42intake
1:11:44technic well not technically actually
1:11:45does restrict the air flow by maybe I
1:11:48don't know 5% maybe maybe a little bit
1:11:51more but it's vastly preferable to have
1:11:54a permanent 5% odd restriction on the
1:11:58front air flow then a cumulative up to
1:12:0190% restriction over time depending on
1:12:04circumstance.
1:12:06Um, look, those other two accessories
1:12:09I'd be much more um,
1:12:13look, you can give it a crack. I don't
1:12:15even know if you'll know there's going
1:12:16to be much of a difference to be honest
1:12:18because the air con system works in in
1:12:20auto mode most of the time. So, you
1:12:24probably hardly notice whether it's
1:12:25making it job harder or easier or look,
1:12:29no one I've never in and the furthest
1:12:32I've driven in a car except for the
1:12:34Model X was the my performance Model Y
1:12:37and that's 194,000 KS and I've never
1:12:40seen any leaves or anything insects,
1:12:43nothing at that top aircon intake. No,
1:12:48>> we certainly get a lot of um insects
1:12:49that well not insects um just sort of
1:12:51debris from trees like blossom and
1:12:54little little bits and twigs and they
1:12:58always seem to catch
1:12:59>> um you know they probably land on the
1:13:01windscreen and then and then sort of
1:13:03slide down and then sort of catch in
1:13:04that sort of air intake sort of zone um
1:13:08probably before it gets into the bonnet.
1:13:10So I guess if could they just make their
1:13:13way further towards the in them,
1:13:18>> if that makes sense.
1:13:20The only thing when you're driving, you
1:13:21know, it's going to go up the windscreen
1:13:22and over, but when you're parked, they
1:13:25can clip there where the the wipers are,
1:13:27and then depending on the wind, they'll
1:13:28blow in. Now, in mine, I found quite a
1:13:32bit of pieces of bark and leaves down in
1:13:35that air intake down the bottom of the
1:13:37elbow
1:13:38>> down here.
1:13:39>> And as Harold said, the reality is it's
1:13:41going to make stuff all difference. It's
1:13:42just a tidiness thing if you're anally
1:13:45retentive like that. And I just put
1:13:48actually some stainless steel fly screen
1:13:50over mine and just bent it to shape. And
1:13:53that was that. And I have found a few
1:13:55leaves stuck in the top of it
1:13:57occasionally.
1:13:59So it's not a big deal. It depends how,
1:14:02as I say, keen you are to keep it clean.
1:14:05>> I've had a lot of leaves in that area.
1:14:08But um whether that um screen would
1:14:12actually stop them going well it will
1:14:14stop them going in but whether they'd
1:14:15fall in without it I doubt it.
1:14:19>> Yeah mine did lot there was quite a lot.
1:14:21There was a handful and some bark if
1:14:23that makes sense. A fistful.
1:14:25>> But were they going inside or were they
1:14:27just sat on top?
1:14:28>> No no they were in in down the tube. So,
1:14:30you know, if you take your So, I've got
1:14:32a 22 Model 3, so it's a slightly
1:14:35different shape, but if you if you take
1:14:38that piece at the top off,
1:14:41>> not the whole trunk plastic, but just
1:14:43that top piece.
1:14:44>> Yeah.
1:14:44>> Then in that downward spout that leads
1:14:48into the air intake for the air con.
1:14:51>> Yeah.
1:14:52>> Um, yeah, there was all leaves and stuff
1:14:54in the bottom.
1:14:55>> Yeah. All right. In that case, it sounds
1:14:56like it is worthwhile getting one of
1:14:58those.
1:14:58>> It depends on where you park. Yeah.
1:15:00>> Keep parking under trees and stuff
1:15:01despite telling them not to.
1:15:03>> Yeah. If you're doing something if
1:15:04you're doing something like a lap, you
1:15:05haven't got the options sometimes.
1:15:07>> Yes.
1:15:09>> But it's not, as Harold said, it's not
1:15:11it's not going to there won't be enough
1:15:13in there to detract from your flow. So,
1:15:16it's just whether you like to do it or
1:15:18not.
1:15:20>> Cool. Um, I'm not sure.
1:15:24>> No worries, John. Okay. Go Trev.
1:15:28Just a couple of
1:15:32>> Oh,
1:15:34>> you just went Y.
1:15:36>> Must have double tapped it. Um, just a
1:15:39couple comments. I first one is a bit of
1:15:41a brag, I suppose. Um, changed the tires
1:15:44today. Got 98,000 out of them. Probably
1:15:47I was going to have a crack at 100 just
1:15:49to say that I did it, but unfortunately
1:15:51had some bad news as well, which cut me
1:15:53short. Um, we learned the hard way over
1:15:56the weekend through the storm that the
1:15:58Tesla has a active bonnet and when my
1:16:02misses ran into a tree that just dropped
1:16:03on the road in front of her, it shot the
1:16:06bonnet up into the air and uh thinking
1:16:08that it was saving a pedestrian. So,
1:16:11yes, we've got to go up to Perth now to
1:16:13get that reset, but I was thinking that
1:16:14must happen a bit when people hit
1:16:15kangaroos. Is that would that be a
1:16:18pretty fair assumption?
1:16:20>> Don't know, Trev. I firstly hoped the MS
1:16:22was all right and no doubt she was she's
1:16:24in the safest car on earth so
1:16:26>> scared the [ __ ] out of her but no
1:16:28>> yeah no doubt
1:16:30>> um so when I hit a cow that would have
1:16:32been a classic time for the bonnet
1:16:35doodad to go off but the classic Y
1:16:37performance didn't have those
1:16:41bonnet um pyotanics so
1:16:45>> um don't know yet uh in fact actually on
1:16:49that image that was shown in there. It's
1:16:52It's actually right there. You can see
1:16:54it right there.
1:16:57>> So, um yeah. Um do definitely report
1:17:01back once you find out how much that
1:17:03cost.
1:17:05>> Yeah.
1:17:10>> Couple photos up in the chat.
1:17:15>> Oh, yeah. Sorry. You you got crappy
1:17:18internet there, uh Trev. Um, I've got
1:17:20videos, but it won't let me put it in
1:17:21the chat. But, uh, yeah, if you want to
1:17:23have a look.
1:17:24>> Uh, yeah, I haven't seen it. Haven't
1:17:27seen it yet. It might still be
1:17:28propagating.
1:17:29>> Okay.
1:17:30>> But, uh, once it comes through,
1:17:33um, I think this is
1:17:37whose side who's who put up the model Y?
1:17:41Oh, no, that would be James. No,
1:17:44who put up this image? That was just as
1:17:46an aside to the cover.
1:17:49Yes,
1:17:50>> James.
1:17:51>> James,
1:17:52>> that's why you need that filter
1:17:56>> because every one of those butterflies
1:17:58would have just been on the just
1:17:59covering your your um air con uh sorry,
1:18:02your um main radiator
1:18:04and it's just a matter of time before it
1:18:06gets fully clogged, especially
1:18:08butterflies cuz they're almost like the
1:18:09perfect um shade cover for your uh
1:18:12intake. Um, so
1:18:17Trev. Oh, hang on. No, we do. Oh, there
1:18:20we go. Uh,
1:18:24that photo and then we're going to go
1:18:26that photo.
1:18:28Oh jeez, that was a pretty minor impact.
1:18:31Bloody hell,
1:18:33that's a bummer. So, um,
1:18:36so yeah, you can see basically what it
1:18:38does is it it sort of latches apart and
1:18:40pops up,
1:18:42>> but jeez, there's not much front damage.
1:18:44It's a little bit there, I guess.
1:18:46>> It's hard to see. Yeah. On the other
1:18:48side, it's actually punctured through
1:18:49the bonnet, uh, through the bumper and
1:18:51it's crushed all the foam behind it. Um,
1:18:54maybe broken a couple of screws for the
1:18:56radiator.
1:18:57>> Yeah. Right.
1:18:58>> So, I had
1:18:59>> So, that's the tree. So, I had to race
1:19:01back down there um with a chainsaw and
1:19:04by the time I got down there, someone
1:19:06else had hit it. Um so, yeah, we got it
1:19:09off the road. But yeah, she's um Oh,
1:19:12I've got the videos. And there was
1:19:14virtually no warning. The emergency
1:19:15braking went off immediately, but there
1:19:18was debris all across the road from
1:19:19where it exploded when it hit the road,
1:19:21so she couldn't really avoid it.
1:19:23>> No.
1:19:25No. Trees are buggers. Uh and you can
1:19:27see that that tree was an old one. Yeah.
1:19:30And she she'd gone through there uh 11
1:19:33minutes earlier and there was nothing on
1:19:34the road and she'd picked something up
1:19:35from the shops, turned around and hit
1:19:37it.
1:19:38>> Bloody hell. Yep. Yep. Skinny road, too.
1:19:42Well, you know, not not not a wide um
1:19:46urge
1:19:48shoulder.
1:19:50That's a bummer. So, yeah. So, you're up
1:19:52for those two um pyrochnic doodads. So,
1:19:55that they're basically miniature
1:19:56airbags. They got the same sort of um
1:19:59thingy inside that pops them up to
1:20:02basically, as you can see on the image,
1:20:03it pops the bonnet up so that when a
1:20:06pedestrian hits their legs and then
1:20:07slaps their their their torso and head,
1:20:11it's much more um spongy because
1:20:14>> you're riding on the you're riding on
1:20:16the suspension rather than sitting on
1:20:18hinges.
1:20:19>> Yeah. Yep. Yep. So, so basically your
1:20:22head will sort of smack into the metal
1:20:24work and dent it, but it'll have room to
1:20:27give. It's got that, you know, a few
1:20:29extra inches of give
1:20:32>> about one in of it by hand.
1:20:34>> Yeah. Yeah. And I believe these things
1:20:37you just reset manually. You can just
1:20:38like
1:20:39>> I think there might be like little knobs
1:20:42that it just resets back in. I think
1:20:44>> the the detonators can't um won't
1:20:47release back down. So, I think they need
1:20:49to be replaced. And then yes,
1:20:50>> the hinges need to be removed off the
1:20:52bonnet because
1:20:54>> um there's actually fingers that go
1:20:56through a little slot and they normally
1:20:58stay inside the slot, but once the
1:20:59detonators go on, it forces them out.
1:21:02>> Yes. So they can't reset back. Yeah.
1:21:04>> Now you take the hinge off, push it back
1:21:06through the fingers and then bolt it
1:21:07back down again.
1:21:08>> Yep. Yep. Yep.
1:21:11>> But the hinge stayed connected at the
1:21:13front. The the latch stayed connected at
1:21:15the front. So um it's still been
1:21:17drivable. So I ran it down. I thought I
1:21:19was going to get 2,000 extra KS on the
1:21:21tires to say so, but decided I'm going
1:21:23to change the tires just in case the
1:21:25insurance gets a whiff that there's a
1:21:26little bit of a scuff on the inside.
1:21:28>> So, is the bonnet okay? Bonnet was okay.
1:21:31>> I drove it today. I got it up to 100ks.
1:21:33Just made sure everything stays together
1:21:35and um just because um I got to take it
1:21:39up to Bibra Lake from Bumbrey to get it
1:21:41fixed. So, I was looking at whether I
1:21:44towed it or drove it. And um the manual
1:21:46said that um a lot of cars can be driven
1:21:49to the nearest service center.
1:21:51>> Yeah.
1:21:52>> As long as um there's no other injuries
1:21:54to the car. So,
1:21:55>> yeah. Right. Wow. That's um that's
1:21:58pretty impressive
1:22:00>> and pretty funky looking. People be
1:22:01going, "What's wrong with that electric
1:22:02car?"
1:22:03>> Can't even keep his bonnet down.
1:22:04>> Coming out of the tire shop today,
1:22:06everyone was like, "Do I tell that guy
1:22:07that his bonnets's up or not?"
1:22:10>> You go, "No, mate. It's all good.
1:22:11dislodged.
1:22:14>> What are you talking about?
1:22:15>> If this happens in the middle of
1:22:17nowhere, you know, miles from anywhere,
1:22:19can you manually remove the detonators
1:22:22and put the bonnet back down to safely
1:22:24get back or is that
1:22:25>> I don't think you could, J. Well, you
1:22:28could probably do some MacGyver work on
1:22:29it if you had to, but um the way it
1:22:32drove today going to and from the tire
1:22:34shop, I wouldn't be concerned if I had
1:22:36to drive it for four or 500ks to get it
1:22:38to somewhere else.
1:22:40It is very stable. I've tried pushing
1:22:42and pulling on it before I drove it. Um,
1:22:45and yeah, I think as long as the front
1:22:46didn't um, you know, dislodge that latch
1:22:50assembly, then I think you'd be fine to
1:22:51drive it as it is.
1:22:54>> Yeah. And if you had like a angle
1:22:56grinder or something, a battery powered
1:22:58one, you could probably just cut the the
1:23:00>> You could probably bend it. If you had
1:23:02to that that longer finger, if you bent
1:23:04that straight down, it would go past.
1:23:07>> Yeah. You'd have to bend it out. So, it
1:23:09then goes under here, doesn't it? Goes
1:23:11>> That's what it wants to do. And then
1:23:12there the um the bracket that's broken
1:23:15on the right hand side. They're just
1:23:16aluminium rivets,
1:23:17>> but pretty decent size ones cuz I found
1:23:19them in the frunk.
1:23:21>> Yeah. Right. Oh, I gotcha. So, that's
1:23:24actually held that's retained by a rivet
1:23:26that is frangible. Yeah.
1:23:27>> Yeah. About six mil or seven mil rivets,
1:23:30aluminium rivets, and they've just
1:23:31sheared off.
1:23:32>> Yep. Yep. Yep. Done their job.
1:23:34>> Yeah. You can just see just next to that
1:23:36long finger, there's a little bit of
1:23:37chrome, which is the detonator that shot
1:23:40that
1:23:42>> that fires up and breaks the hinge. It
1:23:44took the paint off where it hit.
1:23:46>> Yep. Yep. Wow. I mean, the good thing I
1:23:49mean, not Well, it's it's still a shame
1:23:52that you had damage at all, but what a
1:23:54great demonstration of what it does
1:23:56without actually hurting anyone.
1:23:57>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:24:00>> Oh, that's a very good image. That's
1:24:01very cool.
1:24:04All righty. Uh Paul, you got your hand
1:24:07up. And then and then we're going to
1:24:08welcome someone new to the H.
1:24:12>> That sounds good. Uh
1:24:14>> Paul,
1:24:15>> yeah, I was going to say I felt like
1:24:16Russell last week not being here and
1:24:18then watching it the next day as hearing
1:24:21hearing my name in
1:24:22>> Did you get frustrated? Did you go
1:24:24>> There was a couple of things where I was
1:24:26like, "Oh, no, no, no. That's not
1:24:27right." But anyway, it was quite funny.
1:24:29I was thinking, "Oh, I'm I'm I'm
1:24:31Russell. That's every that's that's
1:24:33Russell's every Thursday morning is
1:24:35exactly you idiot. You said this and you
1:24:37said you should have said that and
1:24:39whatever.
1:24:40>> But I was going to say Starling's
1:24:41brilliant. We had the storms and [ __ ]
1:24:43and it worked really well. So, you know,
1:24:46the brick didn't fly off the roof or any
1:24:48of that sort of [ __ ] So, it was really
1:24:50good. I was pretty impressed. I meant I
1:24:53meant to ring my kid at my mother's
1:24:55house and see if the Starlink that was
1:24:56just sitting on it tripod on the pagola
1:24:59moved. You know, he didn't he didn't
1:25:01ring me to say the internet's not
1:25:02working very well. And it's like, yeah,
1:25:04maybe you should turn the Starink
1:25:05upright and it might work better.
1:25:08>> Yeah, exactly. Oh, and I was going to
1:25:10bring up um uh with Comse with the
1:25:14SpaceX IPO coming up. I got an email
1:25:17saying that they're going to be the guys
1:25:19running the IPO for Australia. Oh,
1:25:22sorry. Yeah, I thought you meant I
1:25:25thought you meant an email today.
1:25:27>> Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. Change sort of
1:25:29stuff. So, um, so have international.
1:25:33>> Sounds like comse is the lead manager,
1:25:36but there's another manager or other
1:25:39>> Yeah.
1:25:39>> Um, but you have to have the
1:25:41international account, so you got to
1:25:43fill out forms and stuff. It doesn't
1:25:45take too long, but if you're going to do
1:25:46it, it's probably going to be next week
1:25:48anyway. Oh yeah.
1:25:49>> So what I So what I found out yesterday
1:25:52was it actually takes a surprisingly
1:25:54short amount of time to get a
1:25:57international comse account
1:25:59>> because I've got no comse account
1:26:01whatsoever. Um
1:26:04when you go on their website it sort of
1:26:06says we'll start from your phone and um
1:26:10that process was surprisingly painless.
1:26:13So you you just download this is for
1:26:15anyone who's interested in general or in
1:26:18particular for SpaceX or anything else.
1:26:20I mean as a matter of fact Anthropic is
1:26:22has released their confidential sorry
1:26:25submitted their confidential S1 form
1:26:28which is some American IPO form uh to
1:26:32the securities commission
1:26:35in the last 24 hours I think. Um, so the
1:26:39way you do it if you're interested in
1:26:41getting a comse account is you just
1:26:43download the first thing you do is
1:26:46download the comse sorry the com bank
1:26:50app
1:26:52and then you register if you haven't got
1:26:54a comwalth bank account you register and
1:26:56get a whatever that number reference
1:26:58number is then you can get the comse sec
1:27:02app and you can log in the com comse app
1:27:07with your Commonwealth Bank username and
1:27:11password. And then you say you want to
1:27:14set up a share trading account. And
1:27:16that's pretty easy. You either use your
1:27:18passport or your driver's license. You
1:27:21enter in all the details from your
1:27:22mobile phone app and it'll actually get
1:27:25you to take a selfie using the phone to
1:27:28verify that the image is you. Um,
1:27:33that worked really well. Then you got to
1:27:35because you want an then you got to
1:27:37apply for an international trading
1:27:38account and for that you need to do a
1:27:41tax declaration
1:27:43mainly for America I think and that one
1:27:46was one I had a little bit of trouble
1:27:47with whereby it had all this then it
1:27:50said do you agree and by basically
1:27:53pressing the button which is in a web
1:27:55page inside your phone cuz it jumps out
1:27:58of the app um press the button the
1:28:01screen just went white like just the
1:28:04plain screen and then I kind of tapped
1:28:06it again and then that same page came
1:28:08back with the same button to press to
1:28:11confirm you agree and I press it again.
1:28:14Screen went blank and then it rinsed and
1:28:17repeated several times and then I kind
1:28:19of went oh this isn't working. I kind of
1:28:21got out of that. I thought I'll try on
1:28:23my PC instead. And then the PC said
1:28:26sorry we can't verify you using this
1:28:28means or some something like that. And
1:28:31then I went back to my phone and it said
1:28:33the same thing. And then I went, "Oh,
1:28:35bloody hell." Um, so I rang the helpline
1:28:38and it said, "Oh, we have um greater
1:28:41than usual uh inquiries at the moment.
1:28:44Um, this phone call will take 30
1:28:46minutes." So then I went for a drive uh
1:28:51somewhere north. I forget where it was.
1:28:53Oh yeah, it was Aussie Park. and um
1:28:56finally got it got through and I said,
1:28:58"Look, I'm having problems getting this
1:28:59international thing happening." And the
1:29:01lady said, "Oh, just refresh your
1:29:03screen." And I did and it was there. So,
1:29:06it had worked the first time. It's just
1:29:07a little glitch. So, that's a very long
1:29:10way of saying if you don't have a comse
1:29:13account or an international one, it only
1:29:16takes a matter of minutes to get one if
1:29:18you want. And what the lady said on the
1:29:21other line was, you don't need funds in
1:29:25your account to apply for shares, but
1:29:28you obviously do need the funds in your
1:29:30account to get them once they've been
1:29:32approved. And Paul, I don't know if you
1:29:34got any inside not inside information,
1:29:36but I think it take it'll take a few
1:29:38days between applying and getting a
1:29:40result, won't it? Surely it it'll take
1:29:42some time.
1:29:43>> Yeah.
1:29:45Who knows when we're going to find out
1:29:47about it all cuz um SpaceX did a S on
1:29:52their S1. They did an amendment.
1:29:55>> Yes.
1:29:55>> Today. So I think hopefully that's the
1:29:59last amendment. So then hopefully
1:30:02at least by next week we should have
1:30:05have the users.
1:30:08>> There's not much time because they're
1:30:09supposed to be listing on the 12th of
1:30:11June, aren't they?
1:30:12>> I know. Yep. in about 11 days.
1:30:15>> The Australian perspectives is it hasn't
1:30:17even been lodged with ASICH as yet.
1:30:19>> No.
1:30:20>> So, you know, it's going to be like a
1:30:23week to
1:30:25apply for shares to um find out how many
1:30:30you got and then transfer your funds and
1:30:33have them take your funds, have the
1:30:35funds clear and get confirmation that
1:30:38you got shares in the IPO.
1:30:40>> Yeah. the concept um app stuff is very
1:30:45quick
1:30:46like it's a lot better than the old days
1:30:48which used to take two weeks to do
1:30:50anything
1:30:52now it's just like yeah good
1:30:53>> it's very fast
1:30:56>> so there you go so um as far as whether
1:30:58it's a good idea to buy shares or not
1:31:01none of this is financial advice
1:31:04>> me personally I thought ah I wasn't
1:31:06going to buy any Tesla uh any SpaceX
1:31:09shares but I thought I might get some
1:31:10for fun. Even though me personally, I
1:31:13believe that
1:31:15the same amount of money put into Tesla
1:31:17shares at the same time would probably
1:31:19get a better result in the short term.
1:31:21But that's only my personal feeling
1:31:24based on nothing in particular. But
1:31:27still, um, SpaceX will be going to the
1:31:30moon literally and metaphorically and
1:31:33beyond.
1:31:35um
1:31:36literally in rockets and probably in
1:31:39market cap eventually, but you know,
1:31:42that's only a personal opinion and not
1:31:44financial advice.
1:31:48And it's going to be the biggest IPO in
1:31:50history.
1:31:53So, uh they're going to float
1:31:55approximately 4% of their market cap,
1:31:58which is probably one of the thinner
1:32:00IPOs as well. or maybe it's not but um
1:32:034% about 75 billion US on a market cap
1:32:08approaching$2 trillion.
1:32:14>> So there you go. Um
1:32:18welcome back Jared in the house.
1:32:20>> How you going?
1:32:22>> All right. You going to you going to buy
1:32:24some SpaceX shares Jared?
1:32:25>> Uh yeah I'm not too sure about that one
1:32:28yet. So, um, no, I'm not, uh, I'd rather
1:32:31just stick my money back into Tesla, I
1:32:32think,
1:32:34at the moment.
1:32:35>> Possibly. Possibly a good move. Possibly
1:32:37a good move.
1:32:38>> Yeah.
1:32:39>> Have you been fishing, Jared? It's a
1:32:41long time since you've been.
1:32:43>> Yeah. Yeah. Been uh been uh fishing.
1:32:46Yes, that's it. Fishing. I'm a big
1:32:48fisherman. Uh, coming very big
1:32:50fisherman. There you go.
1:32:52>> Right. Yep.
1:32:54>> Um, yeah. So
1:32:57>> very good, very good. Um,
1:33:01uh, one of the things is, uh, people are
1:33:03talking about is that at the moment in
1:33:06SpaceX, Elon Musk has 82%
1:33:10of the vote in SpaceX and in Tesla, he
1:33:15has less than 20% at the moment. And I
1:33:20think it's going to increase if the
1:33:23uh all the trenches of the 2025 CEO
1:33:26compensation plan get um are achieved
1:33:29within the next
1:33:32several years.
1:33:34I think it's next 5 years or so or maybe
1:33:36it's 10, I can't remember. Uh then his
1:33:39his control of Tesla voting shares could
1:33:41go up as much as approaching 30%.
1:33:45Um,
1:33:47so there's sort of talk or speculation
1:33:50that, you know, maybe SpaceX will
1:33:54merge with Tesla and whether or not
1:33:56that's a merger of equals or whatever.
1:33:59The only one thing as a person of my age
1:34:03who who is similarly age to Ilan Musk is
1:34:06the only risk I see at all. There's no
1:34:09risk with Elon Musk having control
1:34:11voting control of of any company that he
1:34:14he has built because he is really the
1:34:17most key person to the entire thing. My
1:34:20only slight thought was
1:34:24that um if Elon Musk was to um die or
1:34:28become incap incapacitated,
1:34:31what would happen to those voting rights
1:34:34and how would they pass on to his
1:34:36successes and who has control of what
1:34:39those successes do and who are they and
1:34:42how does that get handled?
1:34:45So I think he I think he addressed this
1:34:48at some point a couple of years ago uh
1:34:51when people started talking about keyman
1:34:53risk etc. And he basically said that a
1:34:58successor has been identified but has
1:35:00not been made public.
1:35:02>> No no no uh sorry Pete I don't mean um
1:35:05>> oh you mean his
1:35:06>> professional successor. No no no I don't
1:35:09mean his his professional successor.
1:35:12I mean, who inherits his shares, his
1:35:17voting shares, his um super voting
1:35:21shares?
1:35:22>> If it's his kids, I'd be concerned.
1:35:25>> Yeah. No, you would think it would be um
1:35:28whoever the successor for Tesla or
1:35:31SpaceX, whoever the nominated
1:35:34>> successes are.
1:35:35>> No, I don't I don't know. No, because it
1:35:38would go to his beneficiaries in his
1:35:39will. And then the point is if it was
1:35:42under Australian law, we know that no
1:35:45matter what you write in your will,
1:35:46that's only a serving suggestion because
1:35:49ultimately it is something contestable
1:35:51in in a court of law and it is the
1:35:54courts that will decide ultimately upon
1:35:58objections
1:36:00of um
1:36:03like WA there is a succession law sorry
1:36:05a inheritance law and it has certain
1:36:08guiding principles you children, blah,
1:36:10blah, blah. Spouses, second wives, etc.,
1:36:14etc.
1:36:15>> It doesn't matter what it is in
1:36:16Australia. What is it in the US
1:36:18>> precisely? So, what I'd like to know,
1:36:20and I'm not trying to be negative,
1:36:21please don't think I'm being negative.
1:36:25And like I said, Musk is similarly aged
1:36:27to me. So, I don't care if he dies the
1:36:30day after me or the week or a year
1:36:32before me because hopefully we'll both
1:36:35be old and it won't matter because in 20
1:36:37years time Tesla would have x number of
1:36:40bagged from today's levels and it
1:36:42doesn't really matter. My only slight
1:36:45concern is Elon Musk sadly is one bullet
1:36:48or one stroke or one heart attack away
1:36:51from not being in control of his shares.
1:36:55And my only question is who gets the
1:36:57control? not so much of the ordinary
1:37:00shares of the super voting shares
1:37:02>> the voting rights basically
1:37:04>> the voting rights
1:37:05>> because in space he has 82% of those
1:37:08rights
1:37:09>> yeah so I would think it would be
1:37:10logical that those in his will he would
1:37:14have something to say that those voting
1:37:16rights go to whoever is made the
1:37:20successor uh and the successor has
1:37:22already been named but hasn't been named
1:37:25so publicly and he said for obvious
1:37:27vious reasons because they would be
1:37:29head-h hunted. So
1:37:32>> yeah, that's my only question is if if
1:37:35it was to be that those super voting
1:37:37rights upon his demise
1:37:39get diluted
1:37:41and then some of them pass on to his um
1:37:44legal successes, his familial or
1:37:46whatever you want to call it, um
1:37:48inheritant inherited successes, then
1:37:51that's fine. Um, but I'd be concerned if
1:37:55>> well,
1:37:56>> you know, I don't know. I don't know how
1:37:57I mean, how many children does he have
1:37:58and how many of them are in 12?
1:38:00>> Well, maybe 14. You could have a board.
1:38:02>> It was 12. He's a busy boy.
1:38:05>> No, he's up to 14 now.
1:38:07>> Yeah. So, look, if it was 14, you could
1:38:09say that that would be a mini separate
1:38:11board of of in but I mean, some of these
1:38:13are infants and toddlers and children. I
1:38:18mean, not adults. So anyway, that's the
1:38:21only that's my only wrinkle is um
1:38:25>> well, you would you would think
1:38:26logically he would have set it up the
1:38:29way he would want it to be set up. So if
1:38:33he was um you know, we we know what he
1:38:36wants him as being at the helm of Tesla
1:38:40and SpaceX.
1:38:42Um well um the CEO of SpaceX is um
1:38:47>> Gwen Shotwell. Gen,
1:38:49>> chief operating officer.
1:38:50>> Yeah. CEO. So, but um yeah, so he would
1:38:56he would want it to be set up for the
1:38:58new successor the way he wants it set up
1:39:02now. So, you would think those voting
1:39:05rights would go to the successor because
1:39:08that's what he wants now.
1:39:09>> Where's the documentation? Where's the
1:39:11That's where
1:39:12>> none of these Well, not even the
1:39:13successor has been made public and they
1:39:16make them public.
1:39:17>> Yeah. Okay. I I just think I would be
1:39:19look Elon Musk could get assassinated
1:39:21tonight.
1:39:23>> It's not unplausible because
1:39:27look at the current president has had
1:39:29multiple assassination attempts
1:39:31>> at least three or four now. Yeah. So
1:39:33>> so so Elon Musk you know people die
1:39:36suddenly in their 50s
1:39:38of either you know lead poisoning or
1:39:41heart attacks or um you know strokes and
1:39:46other things. Yeah.
1:39:47Um, and that's my only concern is what
1:39:50could possibly happen.
1:39:54It would be great if it was if it was if
1:39:56that was publicly stated
1:39:58because it is a concern that that not
1:40:01Elon Musk but his successes
1:40:04being familial successes determined by a
1:40:06court of law ultimately
1:40:09have super duper voting majority over
1:40:12SpaceX. That's my only concern and
1:40:15that's maybe that's my irrational
1:40:16personal concern notwithstanding I'm a
1:40:19similar age to Musk. So if he dies at a
1:40:21similar time to me then I won't
1:40:22literally care because it won't matter.
1:40:25But you know if you're a lot younger, if
1:40:26you're a 20-year-old you definitely know
1:40:29that by the time you're in middle age
1:40:30Elon Musk will be dead. He's not going
1:40:32to live forever because that hasn't been
1:40:34cracked yet. Well, but just because it
1:40:37hasn't been cracked yet doesn't mean
1:40:39it's not going to be cracked in 10 time
1:40:43fittest cat in the in the the fittest
1:40:46dog in the kennel. Just quiet.
1:40:47>> He told Ron Baron that he reckons it'll
1:40:49be crack
1:40:53neural might actually suck his brain out
1:40:55and he's actually put it into a Optimus.
1:40:58>> Optimus.
1:40:59>> Musky in a bottle. Musky in an Optimus.
1:41:02>> Precisely.
1:41:03Well, um, Damo, they reckon that, um,
1:41:07already for every 12 months of time that
1:41:11passes,
1:41:13um, the advances in AI and medicine and
1:41:19surgical procedures and what have you
1:41:21and life extension mean that for every
1:41:2412 months that passes, there's something
1:41:26like
1:41:27um, you know, 13 months of,
1:41:32you know, like The advances contribute
1:41:34to 13 months of extra life for the
1:41:36average person. So essentially for every
1:41:4012 months you're really now only aging
1:41:4311 months on average you know as far as
1:41:45the population is concerned and that
1:41:48will uh accelerate and uh I forget who
1:41:53it was that
1:41:55um
1:41:58yeah I forget who it was that who
1:42:00forecast or predicted that by 2035
1:42:05um that 11 months was going to be down
1:42:08to like one or two months. So for every
1:42:1112 months that your age, you're really
1:42:14only aging one or two months because for
1:42:16every 12 months that your age, you're
1:42:18adding, you know, I don't know how many
1:42:20years to your expected life uh to your
1:42:23life expectancy. So
1:42:25>> yeah, and they're sort of talking in
1:42:26terms of you might be able to achieve
1:42:28effectively escape velocity whereby the
1:42:31rate at which they reverse aging is is
1:42:34faster than you age. So therefore, you
1:42:36go backwards or you don't you don't age
1:42:38any further. So then you might live
1:42:40forever, which would be worse because
1:42:42then you'd be scared of walking across
1:42:44the street for want of dying by accident
1:42:48because you you can still be killed by,
1:42:50you know, being blown up or get lead
1:42:52poisoning or, you know, other things.
1:42:55>> Is that high velocity lead poisoning?
1:42:57>> Yes, that is exactly high velocity lead
1:43:00poisoning.
1:43:03>> Yes, that's true. Yes, that is with
1:43:06elemental lead, not um lead oxides or
1:43:08whatever you call it. Lead what was it?
1:43:11Lead in petrol. Yeah, whatever. Lead
1:43:13lead
1:43:14carbonate or something. Anywh who, but
1:43:18anyway, that wasn't my only concern of a
1:43:20super duper voting majority is not what
1:43:23Musky does if he shares or with his
1:43:25companies for that matter because, you
1:43:27know, he is singularly driven. He's
1:43:30always said he wants to just be as
1:43:32useful to humanity as he possibly as
1:43:34useful as possible during his life and
1:43:37that's a very honorable thing. I'm just
1:43:39concerned personally as what might
1:43:42happen afterwards because no matter what
1:43:45Musky
1:43:47if it all gets down to what happens at
1:43:49the process of inheritance then that is
1:43:52not actually of his control because by
1:43:55definition the states will have very
1:43:57similar laws to us
1:43:59>> which is the court will ultimately
1:44:00decide and we all know what courts can
1:44:03do
1:44:05anywh who um but yes So SpaceX, it'll be
1:44:09not next week's episode, but the one
1:44:12after. I guess it'll be all done.
1:44:15>> Yeah.
1:44:16>> I think it's Friday next week. Friday,
1:44:19Saturday next week.
1:44:21>> Yes. Which Larry Goldberg said that a
1:44:24Friday is the very worst day to have an
1:44:26IPO. The best day is actually a Tuesday
1:44:29>> because
1:44:31it gives you three clear trading days
1:44:33after the IPO for the the markets to
1:44:35sort of settle down. He goes, "The
1:44:37Monday is not usually not good. There
1:44:39was some technical reason for Oh,
1:44:41because the market on a Monday is kind
1:44:44of directionless because it's had the
1:44:46weekend off and it doesn't really know
1:44:47what its trend is." So, Tuesday is a
1:44:50best day, Wednesday is a good day,
1:44:52Thursday's not that great, and Friday is
1:44:56terrible. So, according to Larry
1:44:58Goldberg, who's done three IPOs,
1:45:01launched three IPOs, he said that, yeah,
1:45:04he didn't believe that Friday would be
1:45:05the day. So then I presume that means
1:45:08things are more likely to get delayed
1:45:10than come early. So maybe it'll be later
1:45:13later on. But um
1:45:17anyway, we'll see what happens. All
1:45:19righty. Um at about
1:45:233/4 into this program, I think that's
1:45:25right. Maybe it's more than that.
1:45:28>> Um I think it's seven quarters 78,
1:45:30sorry,
1:45:31>> of this program. If we got any solid
1:45:35>> seven quarters divided by two. Seven
1:45:38quarters divided by two. Um,
1:45:41that's probably right. Um, we got any
1:45:44closingish questions or comments
1:45:53or anyone that might be curious about
1:45:56anything else or whatever else that's
1:45:57happened. Uh great one. What's
1:46:01>> sorry T wear?
1:46:05>> Yes.
1:46:05>> What's people's experience with um
1:46:08tower? Because it looks like I've gone
1:46:09through my rear too in uh 24,000
1:46:14>> on the inside edge again.
1:46:18>> Whoa. Whoa. So, you've got a juniper
1:46:20>> juniper
1:46:22last year
1:46:24>> and I've done 20 under 25,000 and
1:46:27apparently my inside edges are getting
1:46:29pretty close to being worn through.
1:46:32>> So, Mark,
1:46:33>> and trekking before I went.
1:46:35>> Didn't you have that problem?
1:46:37>> So, I sold my Glacia Blue Juniper
1:46:43when I the day I got my Model Y L. It
1:46:47had done 56,000 kilometers. It had never
1:46:51had its wheels rotated, nor its
1:46:56uh wheel alignment checked at all. And I
1:47:00was shocked at how much meat was left on
1:47:02all the tires. Um I was literally, in
1:47:06fact, I just wonder if I've got I'll
1:47:09just see if I've got those images.
1:47:12Uh,
1:47:15I don't. Um, I was gobsmacked at how
1:47:20good they were. I'll see if I can very
1:47:22quickly bring them up. So, you've got an
1:47:25anomaly because you've got exactly the
1:47:27same car I had, Mark. And
1:47:29>> well, mine's just a few months months
1:47:31younger, but it's the same generation of
1:47:34the Model Y.
1:47:38>> Oh, sorry. Yes. Younger. Yes. Yes. So
1:47:40yeah, yours is a launch edition.
1:47:43>> No, it's not launch edition. Mine's June
1:47:46June 25. Yours was late 24, was it?
1:47:50>> I'm pretty
1:47:53No, it was it was June. We got it I got
1:47:55it in the end of May
1:47:582025.
1:48:00>> Oh, right. So mine's June 2025.
1:48:03>> Yeah. No, if yours is not the launch
1:48:06edition, it'll be a bit older. Yeah,
1:48:08>> I think because there was a time there
1:48:10was a time when he could only get the
1:48:12launch.
1:48:13>> Yes, you got you got the launch and mine
1:48:15was the first of the non-launch.
1:48:17>> Yours would be younger, not older.
1:48:19>> Yeah, younger.
1:48:20>> And I'm just trying to find my tires. I
1:48:25was shocked, Mark. I was truly
1:48:27>> Yeah, I've got loads of meat on them. If
1:48:28I put my fingers through loads of meat,
1:48:31but apparently the inside edges of them
1:48:33are actually getting quite worn. Not the
1:48:36inside. The Yeah, the inside. You have
1:48:39to put your hands right inside.
1:48:41>> So, uh, I'm going to upload this. I'll
1:48:46just be two seconds. Um,
1:48:49>> but I was I was I I was convinced cuz
1:48:52I've done 56,000 KS, driven around
1:48:54Australia twice,
1:48:56>> and so all on the same roads you've been
1:48:58on. Well, most of the same roads
1:49:01>> and um
1:49:03>> are in such good condition. I reckon I
1:49:05could get I could probably ek out close
1:49:07to 100. Certainly 90 easy. And that's
1:49:11without even rotating them. Um
1:49:15>> so I would get yours your wheel
1:49:18alignment checked.
1:49:19>> Well, they didn't check before we went.
1:49:21>> Uh well, did they change it though? Who
1:49:24who did it? Was it Tesla or someone
1:49:26else? No, it was I got it um Bosit um
1:49:30tire power in June and they checked I
1:49:33got them to check the tire thing and I
1:49:34rotated them just before I went just in
1:49:36case.
1:49:39>> The only thing I'm going to say is look
1:49:42if the tires are wrecked I go I'd take
1:49:45it to Tesla and get them to do the
1:49:48alignment. Yeah,
1:49:49>> I was shocked because I believed that
1:49:52the rear
1:49:54>> camber
1:49:56>> was fixed and unadjustable and is what
1:49:58it is basically pretty much.
1:50:00>> And I know people like Tie Power will do
1:50:02things like they'll pull in they'll give
1:50:04the backs a little bit of extra tow in
1:50:06to try and roll the tires so that you
1:50:09compensate for the inner wear cuz it
1:50:11kind of tries to
1:50:13>> put that wear to the outside. Um, but I
1:50:18should be able to have I should have
1:50:19these uh images up in two seconds. And I
1:50:24just couldn't believe how good these
1:50:26these tires were. And they were
1:50:29>> that they weren't the factory tires.
1:50:31They were the um
1:50:35Handcook ion
1:50:38Evo ion as
1:50:40>> Yeah, they were actually designed for
1:50:41this type. this car,
1:50:43>> the Juniper.
1:50:45>> It was.
1:50:46>> Yeah, but I put the different wheels on
1:50:48though. I put the um the um classic
1:50:52Model Y um Apollo wheel caps and stuff.
1:50:57They were different wheel. They were
1:50:58different tires.
1:50:59>> Oh, right. I've done the handcuffs that
1:51:01came with the car.
1:51:03>> Yes. Yes. But I had no sign of inner
1:51:07wear. I'm just trying to get this thing
1:51:08to update.
1:51:10Um,
1:51:15sorry, it's just taking a little bit of
1:51:17uh time.
1:51:19Just bear with me for a second.
1:51:22Downloaded to a Oh, here we go. 58
1:51:24seconds ago. Um,
1:51:32sorry, Windows is just a pain.
1:51:35But yeah, I I get them I get tested to
1:51:37to check it out just in case.
1:51:39>> Yeah.
1:51:41>> Um
1:51:43because my experience was completely
1:51:45different.
1:51:49>> Um while I'm doing that, yeah. Anyone
1:51:51else got any other questions or
1:51:52comments? Um
1:51:54>> before we wrap this?
1:51:55>> Um I'm I must admit that Tesla haven't
1:51:59really changed their um high standards
1:52:01of delivery. Um after speaking to the
1:52:05management of uh Okconor, they were
1:52:08telling me that my car is coming in
1:52:10September the 16th. Um and it's still
1:52:14coming on September the 16th. And then a
1:52:17gentleman asked me today, he said,
1:52:18"When's your car coming, Jared?" And I
1:52:19said, "Oh, hang on. Let me just check
1:52:21the app. I'm pretty sure it's the 16th."
1:52:23And then on the app, it had changed to
1:52:27in 29 days. Actually, 25 days. So down
1:52:3125 days.
1:52:33>> Um that's of course it's you know coming
1:52:35from Germany so it's having to stop at a
1:52:38few other countries and you know go
1:52:40through the straight and all that sort
1:52:42of stuff. So um yeah.
1:52:45>> So Jared that that will get it in this
1:52:48quarter if that's still what they do for
1:52:50reporting sales. That's that's exactly
1:52:52why I'd say it's coming because when I
1:52:54spoke to them on Monday, it wasn't
1:52:55coming till September the 16th, but now
1:52:58uh it's coming on in 29 days or 25 days.
1:53:03So, um
1:53:04>> Wow, that's cool.
1:53:06>> Jared Jared, what are you getting?
1:53:09>> Performance Model Y.
1:53:10>> Oh, nice.
1:53:11>> Yeah, silver. The silver color.
1:53:13>> Oh, the quick silver. That's wicked,
1:53:15Jared.
1:53:17>> Yeah. Very excited. Very excited. I've
1:53:19been waiting since March.
1:53:21>> So, you know,
1:53:23>> such a long time to wait.
1:53:24>> I know. It's crazy. It's spent something
1:53:27like uh I don't know 50 days on the
1:53:29boat. I don't know where it went, but
1:53:30maybe they do a banana run. They drop
1:53:33off bananas and other stuff.
1:53:34>> Yeah, they probably went to the Dutch
1:53:36East India company and got some herb or
1:53:38some spices and then went back the other
1:53:40way and, you know, had to set sail for a
1:53:42bit. And
1:53:43>> when my car left, cuz they told me it's
1:53:45left, I think they just were designing
1:53:48the Model Y. And my
1:53:50>> Yes.
1:53:53They're great.
1:53:54>> Um these these are the wheels. The you
1:53:58can see these are the um Gemini. So the
1:54:01Apollo uh rims
1:54:04>> which have the Gemini wheel caps. This
1:54:06is the the uh the driver's side rear and
1:54:10that's the inner one. Wow.
1:54:11>> It's like I was shocked. And then the
1:54:14next the next image is that's the left
1:54:17rear. And again, just look at like even
1:54:21on the edge.
1:54:22>> Yeah.
1:54:23>> It's just And this is after 56,000
1:54:26kilometers. This is the front.
1:54:28>> I mean, just look at that. It's it's
1:54:30like the front's like it's untouched,
1:54:33>> you know? And um you know you know why
1:54:36that is, Harold? cuz you've been driving
1:54:39on FSD supervised the whole time.
1:54:42>> No, no, I wasn't on the first lap. No,
1:54:45no, not the first lap, Pete. And the the
1:54:47original ones, um, Mark, were the
1:54:49Michelins.
1:54:50>> Yeah.
1:54:51>> So, these the these are the factory ones
1:54:53I took off on the second day I got the
1:54:56car. I took them off, put them in
1:54:58storage, put my old um Apollo rims on
1:55:03with brand new um Hancock ion
1:55:08um as but that's the condition after
1:55:1156,000 KS never being rotated.
1:55:16>> So if you if I did a sneaky and I'd
1:55:18actually put these backwards on the
1:55:20rims, I'd easily get 100,000 KS on them.
1:55:23Easy easy peasy. I mean, look how much
1:55:25meat there is. It's just ridiculous.
1:55:28>> Remember, you only do clockwise laps.
1:55:30>> So why do you go anticlockwise?
1:55:33>> Yeah.
1:55:33>> And undo all the damage. That's right.
1:55:37In fact, if I go backwards, I'll
1:55:38probably pick up all the rubber as well.
1:55:42>> Well, I've done 48,000 and I've only had
1:55:45two tires
1:55:47changed. I have to do the other two this
1:55:49year.
1:55:50>> Ah, yes.
1:55:51>> And then Michelin. So,
1:55:54>> the thing is Michelin's
1:55:56>> Yeah. Sorry. Go, go, come.
1:55:58>> No, no, I only did two last year because
1:56:00they said he was okay till this year.
1:56:03>> Yeah. Yeah. Michelins are are have got a
1:56:06great reputation of being very safe
1:56:08tires. They're very sticky and uh
1:56:10grippy, but one of the penalties you pay
1:56:13for that is they they do wear a little
1:56:15bit faster than some of the harder car
1:56:17harder tires. But yeah, that's still
1:56:19great. Like I said, I was personally
1:56:21shocked because in my experience, my my
1:56:24performance Model Y, the old one, was so
1:56:27bad, I resorted to getting a camber kit
1:56:30for the back cuz I was just sick of of
1:56:33having tires worn out to nothing. Um, in
1:56:37fact, I've got an image of a new of a
1:56:40New Zealand hire car I had that um these
1:56:45ones these are the photos taken on the
1:56:47car itself. Did you end up getting your
1:56:50money, Harold, out of them?
1:56:52>> Yeah, I did. Yeah.
1:56:53>> Yeah.
1:56:54>> Yeah, I did in the end. Um, okay. This
1:56:56was this was the New Zealand higher car.
1:56:59That was one tire.
1:57:02So, that's kind of bad.
1:57:04>> Yeah.
1:57:04>> And then
1:57:06>> these are the all these images are taken
1:57:08on the tire. That's another one.
1:57:11And then that's the third one. And then
1:57:14that's the fourth one.
1:57:16>> So, the iners, it's the classic on the
1:57:17iners. it just strips out
1:57:20>> to the point where one of these tires
1:57:21was slowly deflating.
1:57:24Um probably because one of the um
1:57:26snapped off
1:57:28uh steel belts was poking into the
1:57:30bladder and then basically it was just
1:57:34deflating one of the tires.
1:57:36So um
1:57:38>> that's my experience with the classic
1:57:40model wise. But yeah, Mark, it's such a
1:57:42shame that I look I I get
1:57:45>> I only found out because I got I got a
1:57:47puncture and it was text picked up a
1:57:50text screw and when they actually said
1:57:51it, it said you're getting really worn
1:57:52down on the inside edge of those rears.
1:57:54When I feel it, it feels all right, but
1:57:57when you look
1:57:57>> Y
1:58:01>> what are you doing with the car you
1:58:03have?
1:58:04>> I sold it um just when the fuel prices
1:58:08went crazy. Um, I got a a really good
1:58:11deal. So,
1:58:12>> yeah.
1:58:13>> Um, what model did you have?
1:58:16>> Uh, Model 3 performance.
1:58:18>> Performance. And
1:58:19>> yeah, 2021.
1:58:20>> Share. How much you sold that for?
1:58:22>> Uh, 47,000.
1:58:24>> And what what year?
1:58:26>> 2021.
1:58:28>> Because my insurance says that my car,
1:58:31which is 2020,
1:58:33>> Yeah.
1:58:34>> it's worth 18,000.
1:58:37>> Yeah. I think with you these uh the red
1:58:39book, black book, all these different
1:58:41kind of books, uh you get all kinds of
1:58:44speculation. I was just lucky. Uh I I
1:58:47think I was
1:58:48>> very good price.
1:58:50>> Yeah. Well, I had dealers ringing me up
1:58:51offering me uh 25,000 30,000 one of
1:58:56them. Um just all these dealers ring you
1:58:59up constantly. And then I had a guy ring
1:59:01me up and said, "Look, I'll give you
1:59:0347,000 for it." And I said, "Yep, no
1:59:05worries." And I had it advertised for
1:59:0743. So I was a bit confused why he
1:59:09offered me 47, but I wasn't okay. That's
1:59:11what you're going to pay.
1:59:12>> Yeah. Well,
1:59:13>> that's Yeah. I mean, the fuel fuel was
1:59:16going crazy. Um, and Pete was predicting
1:59:19doom and gloom for the world and I was
1:59:21backing him.
1:59:22>> And how many KS?
1:59:24>> Uh, uh, I can't remember. I think it was
1:59:2725.
1:59:28>> Oh, okay.
1:59:29>> It wasn't It wasn't many. Maybe 25, 30,
1:59:32maybe. Real low. Yeah. Um, and it was
1:59:35immaculate. There was wasn't a scratch
1:59:37on it. Had a beautiful
1:59:39>> Still good. It's still very good.
1:59:41>> Yeah. It's cost me about $30,000 in fuel
1:59:44to run my Hilux for the last three
1:59:46weeks, four weeks. Um, you know, but um,
1:59:49you know, I can't wait for my car to
1:59:52come back, my new car. So,
1:59:53>> yeah. But Jared, those volatile organic
1:59:55compounds as you're filling it up and
1:59:57you're getting all the diesel fumes and
1:59:58the petrol fumes, it's just it just
2:00:01>> it's just great. you know, you you know
2:00:02you're alive when you're slowly
2:00:04marinating to death.
2:00:05>> I think well the real thing is when you
2:00:07get to go to Atlas Fuel and you get in
2:00:09the line of 6,000 cars because it's 4
2:00:12cents cheaper. Um I love working with
2:00:15people and you know the the the bonding
2:00:17that you create with people in that in
2:00:20that environment is just fantastic. And
2:00:22the way they get to express their
2:00:23feelings to the tendant behind the
2:00:25counter, you know, it's so welcoming,
2:00:27you know.
2:00:28>> So
2:00:28>> yeah. Yeah. I hope I never go to a
2:00:30petrol station again, but I can see me
2:00:32doing it again. But yeah, and it's, you
2:00:34know, and between here and up the road
2:00:37and in in the middle of a, you know, up
2:00:40up towards uh Geraldton and past
2:00:42Geraldton and Northampton, it can it
2:00:44just it just goes up by 80 80 cents.
2:00:47It's just crazy. So,
2:00:49>> so apart from car sales.com, if you
2:00:51wanted to buy
2:00:53>> That's Yeah, that's who I put my car on.
2:00:55Carsales.com.
2:00:57>> Yeah. But if you wanted to buy one at a
2:01:00good price for all my uh huge amount of
2:01:04grandkids.
2:01:06>> Yeah.
2:01:06>> Uh all wanting to buy cars, where would
2:01:09you go?
2:01:11>> Oh, that's that's a good question. I'm
2:01:14I'm really
2:01:14>> I'm talking about an a Tesla.
2:01:17>> Yeah.
2:01:17>> Um don't don't uh discount going to
2:01:21Tesla themselves.
2:01:23They often have relatively good pricing
2:01:27these these days because what they'll do
2:01:30is they'll buy it off
2:01:34um
2:01:36they'll they'll take in a trade in and
2:01:38if that trade in let's say has had FSD
2:01:42purchased on it and it's traded in with
2:01:45it they'll take it off but they'll just
2:01:48give you enhanced autopilot
2:01:52>> uh or vice versa, if it's uh come in
2:01:54with no FSD on it, they'll add enhanced
2:01:58autopilot. So that means that if you do
2:02:02subscribe to FSD, rather than paying the
2:02:05$150 a month, you pay about half of that
2:02:08$75 a month because it's worth, you
2:02:10know, it was worth roughly about five
2:02:12grand when it was available. So they do
2:02:16it. It doesn't cost them anything. Um,
2:02:19and but it gives you a little bit of
2:02:21extra value. Okay.
2:02:23>> They also do I don't know how many
2:02:25points safety check and they say they
2:02:28only take on the better cars. If they're
2:02:30no good, they sell them in the uh
2:02:32wholesale market to other dealers or
2:02:35what have you. So, you know, worthwhile
2:02:38having a look.
2:02:39>> Yeah. If they're talking about 20,000 uh
2:02:43for 2020, why why buy anything else?
2:02:48Tesla offered me um I think it was
2:02:4933,000
2:02:51>> okay
2:02:52>> for my car which I thought was you know
2:02:54>> bit low
2:02:55>> too low way too low but you know uh of
2:02:58course you know 3 weeks later the world
2:03:00went volatile with fuel so I was just a
2:03:03lucky time I mean I probably would end
2:03:05up getting 40 maybe 38 for my car um
2:03:09that's probably where I thought it was
2:03:11probably going to end up but I was just
2:03:12lucky that's all it's all it was just a
2:03:15case of fuel was going crazy. Everyone's
2:03:18buying BYDs. Um, you know, it's going
2:03:20through the roof and you know, that was
2:03:22it. So,
2:03:24>> so at the moment, uh, for Model 3s,
2:03:26there are three in as certified
2:03:28pre-owned,
2:03:30>> varying from 47,000 up to 58.
2:03:33>> Uh, that's a high.
2:03:36>> Yeah. So, 40 47 is the lowest they've
2:03:39got for a 2022.
2:03:41>> None of those prices really grab me.
2:03:43Yeah. Uh, no.
2:03:46Look at something in the 20s.
2:03:48>> Oh, you're not going to get a Tesla in
2:03:50his 20s.
2:03:52>> You don't want a Tesla that's advertised
2:03:54for 20 grand coming? No.
2:03:56>> Um, 35 is probably the lowest you'll pay
2:04:00for a Model 3 that's, you know, a 2021.
2:04:05Um, yeah, if that just jump on car sales
2:04:08and have a look.
2:04:10>> Um,
2:04:10>> yeah.
2:04:11>> So, why are the insurers saying that? Um
2:04:15that's all mine's worth.
2:04:17>> Uh they're just that's what insurers do
2:04:18classically come and they charge you a a
2:04:21lot in premiums and and reduce down the
2:04:24so-called market price.
2:04:26>> Yeah. And and also the market price is
2:04:29like Jared was alluding to, it's it's
2:04:30based on red book,
2:04:32>> but that is old data because you've got
2:04:36a war on and you've got a fuel crisis
2:04:39and you've got
2:04:41a a a an exponentially increasing number
2:04:44of people that are interested in buying
2:04:46an EV are sick of petrol cars and in
2:04:49particular diesel vehicles and they're
2:04:52all jumping on to EVs because that was
2:04:55that last little line resistance they
2:04:57had to just overcome and they're all
2:04:59clamoring for them. So,
2:05:02uh there's an artificially higher price
2:05:04on EVs now, unfortunately. So, so now is
2:05:07the perfect time to sell your secondhand
2:05:08EV. It's certainly not the perfect time
2:05:11to buy one.
2:05:12>> Um the new price hasn't gone up,
2:05:14>> but unfortunately the secondhand price
2:05:18has gone through the roof.
2:05:19>> Yeah.
2:05:20>> Relatively. So, but I wanted um to have
2:05:24it insured for not market value, but for
2:05:28value, agreed value.
2:05:30>> They would they wouldn't.
2:05:32>> Yeah.
2:05:32>> Well, then change insurer car. So, most
2:05:35insurance companies that would be RAC I
2:05:37presume. No.
2:05:39>> Well, no. I went from the the one that
2:05:41Tesla used.
2:05:43Uh I first
2:05:45>> yeah I had I had um the online one uh
2:05:51budget direct and then I went to Zurich
2:05:54>> because budget direct increased
2:05:56exponentially and then Zurich was
2:05:58reasonable and then they said they
2:06:01didn't want to be in the market of in
2:06:04that market anymore for Teslas. So then
2:06:07I went to NRMA.
2:06:10Um,
2:06:12so that's the last one I'm with.
2:06:15>> So, Carmen, I just had a look on car
2:06:17sales and I stand corrected. Um, I
2:06:20found, you know, admittedly not in WA in
2:06:23Queensland, but I found a
2:06:25>> one of my kids is going to bond, so
2:06:28that's all right.
2:06:28>> Okay. So, that's a 2021 Model 3.
2:06:31>> Yep.
2:06:32>> 130,000 km on it for 26,500.
2:06:36>> Wow. There you go. And um well that I
2:06:39know they're cheaper in Queensland, but
2:06:42>> that's that's pretty much the cheapest.
2:06:45Sorry, there's one car for 26,400,
2:06:47but it's a 2019 with 153, but those are
2:06:51the two cheapest Teslas in Australia.
2:06:54>> Okay.
2:06:54>> And in WA, you've got this is from price
2:06:57low to high. So you got a 2020 Model 3
2:07:00for 31,
2:07:02>> another one for 33. Yeah.
2:07:04>> Uh you can see the the um kilometers,
2:07:07you know, 99 or 100,000 and you know, 83
2:07:11odd
2:07:12>> and then you go into 34s or 35 grand.
2:07:16>> So they're around I look I'd say the
2:07:19mid30s is probably more of a realistic
2:07:23>> price. And you probably don't want more
2:07:26than 100,000 KS, would you?
2:07:30Is that be honestly the case?
2:07:32>> Yeah,
2:07:33>> to be honest, not it doesn't matter,
2:07:35Carmen. It's It's less important. I try
2:07:37and get a young I prefer a younger car.
2:07:41>> The What's What's What's Tesla's um
2:07:44warranty on the um battery?
2:07:47>> 80,000.
2:07:48>> 8 years.
2:07:49>> No.
2:07:49>> Oh, in the 80. It's Oh, 192
2:07:54192 is on the NCAA. on the out sorry on
2:07:57the LFPS it's 160 something
2:08:01>> okay so
2:08:02>> so yeah so Carmen if you get I I would
2:08:04pref generally prefer a younger car
2:08:07that's done slightly more KS than an
2:08:09older one that's done
2:08:10>> less KS
2:08:12>> right
2:08:12>> it sort of depends really but if you can
2:08:15get anything that's not much more than
2:08:18100,000 KS you know you've got safely
2:08:21between another 60 or 90,000 KS of
2:08:24battery warranty
2:08:26And let's face it, a lot of people
2:08:28struggle to do 60,000 KS in
2:08:31>> in several years.
2:08:33>> Yeah. So,
2:08:35>> the the thing too is you shouldn't think
2:08:37of the car of of a secondhand Tesla as
2:08:39the final car you'll ever have.
2:08:41>> It's it's a consumable item
2:08:44>> and it's saving money every day in fuel
2:08:47cost and it's it's a very safe car. So
2:08:50even the oldest Model 3 is basically as
2:08:53safe as the as the youngest Model 3 and
2:08:56and really let's say the crappiest Tesla
2:09:00is safer than the best brand new car
2:09:01that you can buy that's not a Tesla. So
2:09:04>> but on the warranty I think isn't it 10
2:09:07years or 10 something whichever
2:09:10>> that's only on the new cars common car
2:09:12that's only as of January this year I
2:09:14think. Oh, okay.
2:09:16>> Yeah. But, um, Carmen, if you're looking
2:09:18at 21 Model 3s,
2:09:20>> yeah,
2:09:21>> there was a period of from about I think
2:09:25might have been September, October,
2:09:27November, December. So the last three or
2:09:30four months of the year uh when you
2:09:33could uh you can get what I called
2:09:35unicorns in because Tesla was
2:09:38transitioning from
2:09:41um
2:09:43a faster older motor to a newer slower
2:09:47motor and to a slightly larger battery.
2:09:52But ju during the last three months or
2:09:54so of 2021, the cars still had the older
2:09:59faster motor but the bigger uh battery.
2:10:02So you kind of got the best of both
2:10:04worlds during that transition.
2:10:06>> Mine was in December and that was the
2:10:08case that one.
2:10:09>> Yep.
2:10:09>> December 21.
2:10:11>> Yeah.
2:10:12>> Early December.
2:10:13>> I've got one of those as well and mine
2:10:15came Mine was delivered in December but
2:10:17I think it was manufactured I'd have to
2:10:20have a look. Can't remember now. might
2:10:21have been in September, October,
2:10:23something like that or November. Yeah.
2:10:26>> In any case, um you you don't want a car
2:10:29that's necessarily much greater than
2:10:30100,000 KS.
2:10:32>> No.
2:10:32>> Init Yeah. Initially, unless it's really
2:10:34cheap, but look, anything you get for
2:10:37grandies, it'll it's it's one of the
2:10:40world's safest cars,
2:10:41>> they'll be saving money from day one
2:10:43because there's no servicing.
2:10:46Not to say there's nothing ever has to
2:10:48be fixed, but you know, it's very very
2:10:50minor and um it's super safe.
2:10:53>> Yes. Now, one of them is doing medicine,
2:10:56so he's going to be poor for about 10
2:10:58years
2:11:00>> and uh um at uh and he he does have to
2:11:04do the Gold Coast Highway all the time.
2:11:07>> Yep.
2:11:07>> So, um it'd be a perfect car. Wouldn't
2:11:11be such a bad thing for him. And he's a
2:11:13very good uh good driver.
2:11:16um he's had license for a couple of
2:11:18years.
2:11:20>> So,
2:11:20>> look, anyone that anyone that buys a
2:11:23close relative a Tesla of any kind is
2:11:25doing him a big favor. So, um but yeah,
2:11:29definitely don't discount uh
2:11:33Eastern States cars because that market
2:11:35is a lot
2:11:37>> um a lot more competitive than than WA.
2:11:40WA is a smaller market really. I I had
2:11:43dealers bringing me from Sydney and and
2:11:45Melbourne, you know.
2:11:47>> So,
2:11:47>> yeah, me too. I
2:11:49>> I I put the price up for my car uh
2:11:52because I was annoyed with all these
2:11:53dealers going, I'll give you as many K
2:11:55dollars as kilometers you've done in
2:11:57your car cuz they've done 56,000 KS. And
2:11:59I went, "Where you live in um Wedonga? I
2:12:03will drive my car to Wonga and by the
2:12:05time I get there, it'll have 65,000 KS,
2:12:07which is how much how many dollars I
2:12:08want, you idiot." And um
2:12:12>> um I ended up selling it later that
2:12:14after that later that evening.
2:12:15>> No no um it doesn't matter where it is
2:12:17because this kids um you know like the
2:12:20holidays
2:12:21>> so they would drive they wouldn't worry
2:12:24about going from Queensland to Melbourne
2:12:27or Sydney and one of them their father
2:12:31does business in Sydney so he would meet
2:12:33him there anytime and
2:12:35>> exactly work it out
2:12:37>> just with the agreed value. Carman was
2:12:38saying she had a really low one. Was
2:12:40quite surprised. We just had our renewal
2:12:42with Shannon's come through and I was
2:12:43shocked on ours. They put the um agreed
2:12:46value down. I think it was 67,000 and
2:12:48the car is only worth 72 when it was
2:12:50new.
2:12:51>> So for a $200 increase to the premiums.
2:12:54I'll take that. And u
2:12:55>> Well, I paid 80 for mine.
2:12:58>> Yeah, but you paid it just just before
2:13:00they
2:13:01>> they put the price down. Carmen,
2:13:03>> yes. I'm very annoyed. But I called
2:13:05Shannon's originally and they they
2:13:08drilled me about um being a suitable
2:13:13client because they wanted to know if I
2:13:16was an aicionado and I was going to join
2:13:19their club and all this rubbish. And I
2:13:22said, "Well, what's that to you? Do you
2:13:25want a do you want the deal or not?" And
2:13:28he said, "Oh, well, we're not an
2:13:29ordinary insurer." No.
2:13:31>> And I said, "So,
2:13:33so they actually went into insure to me.
2:13:36I never met them. I only talked to
2:13:38someone on the phone."
2:13:39>> So, I don't know where they got that
2:13:41from.
2:13:41>> I think they're more of a motor
2:13:43enthusiastic company.
2:13:45>> Yeah. They said that
2:13:46>> they want
2:13:47>> Sounds like Shannon's a B's name. And
2:13:49Shannon's there in the back going, "Hey,
2:13:51you know, do we want to let Carmen into
2:13:52our exclusive club?"
2:13:54>> Yes. No, no, it was very much like that.
2:13:56And um they asked me where I was going
2:13:58to drive and how long and uh did I and I
2:14:03said
2:14:04>> you should have said you should have
2:14:05said I'm going to go and drive with Damo
2:14:07at the drag and they would have said
2:14:10you're in straight away.
2:14:11>> I say Harold because he drives more.
2:14:15>> No, you should have said I'm just going
2:14:16to go to the uh local drags and only do
2:14:18a quarter of a mile at a time just at
2:14:22full throttle.
2:14:23>> I said you know what let's not bother.
2:14:26I'll go elsewhere. Thank you.
2:14:28>> Oh, yes. Dear,
2:14:30>> they sort of thought I wasn't going to
2:14:32be suitable to represent them as an
2:14:35insurer.
2:14:37>> Oh, they only want esteemed customers to
2:14:40have pranks in cars to get them fixed
2:14:42and written off. Deary mate.
2:14:45>> Maybe maybe because you're not a male
2:14:47car. Maybe
2:14:50something to do.
2:14:50>> They thought well they thought I must
2:14:52wreck their rallies. They wanted to know
2:14:55if I wanted to go on what sort of trips
2:14:58and I said none. I just want to drive
2:15:01around the city.
2:15:04>> They actually do they actually do do a
2:15:06great job for people with old cars.
2:15:10>> Uh you can get really good insurance.
2:15:13>> Uh and and of course the old cars, most
2:15:17people don't do very many KS a year. Uh
2:15:20and that's where that comes in. How many
2:15:22cars a year do you think you'll be
2:15:23doing?
2:15:24>> So, uh, but they do give really good
2:15:27insurance. I mean, we had three old cars
2:15:30>> for a while there. And, um,
2:15:34I can't remember now, but, you know, the
2:15:36the premium was just neither here nor
2:15:39there. And the good thing is if the car
2:15:42had an accident, you were always able to
2:15:44keep the car. Even if it was written
2:15:47off, you could keep it and rebuild it.
2:15:49So they they do provide a great service.
2:15:52>> Okay.
2:15:52>> And if you have got an old car that
2:15:55you're insuring with them and then you
2:15:57want to insure your new car, then it's
2:15:59usually no problem.
2:16:01>> Okay.
2:16:01>> Uh so you need So Jackie, you're saying
2:16:03it's you you need the stalking horse of
2:16:05having an old car
2:16:06>> with them
2:16:07>> and then they'll say, "Oh, we'll do your
2:16:09new car as well as part of the combin."
2:16:11Yeah. Cool.
2:16:12>> Yeah. We at one stage we had all our out
2:16:14we had about five cars and we had them
2:16:16all insured with Shannons including two
2:16:19standard road car type vehicles.
2:16:22>> Yeah.
2:16:22>> So you know
2:16:24>> um and so they do they do actually do a
2:16:26pretty good job in that respect. So
2:16:28>> yes, but just not with a brand new
2:16:30customer with just only a new car or
2:16:33newish.
2:16:34>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll give them a
2:16:37chance uh when mine comes up for renewal
2:16:39and see what they say. And maybe I'll
2:16:41just get a script down about to be how
2:16:45to be right into it.
2:16:47>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to I want to
2:16:49have um I want to join the middle-aged
2:16:52Tesla owners club or something for
2:16:54ladies on and we we do drives around
2:16:57Langley Park.
2:16:58>> You can't lie. You can't lie, Harold.
2:17:00You have to give them your age.
2:17:02>> It is the truth. No. No. We Well,
2:17:04middle-aged. Yeah. No, we we'll all live
2:17:07we'll all live to 120. It's okay. Um
2:17:10>> it won't be long before there'll be
2:17:12classic Teslas. So the the moment they
2:17:15get classified as a classic car, then
2:17:18Shannons will love you.
2:17:20>> Yes.
2:17:21>> So if you hang on to your old car,
2:17:23>> you know,
2:17:24>> it'll it'll become a classic. Yeah,
2:17:26>> indeed.
2:17:27>> Well, mine is California. Okay.
2:17:30>> That's right. It's a California That's
2:17:32right. It's a It's a high quality um
2:17:35panel gaps that you can you can stick
2:17:38your arm through. Quality made in
2:17:40America car. Um on that note, it is well
2:17:44past our bedtime, so I should try and
2:17:46keep the show to as close to 2 hours as
2:17:48we can.
2:17:49>> So, um is there any very last minute any
2:17:52question or comments before we go? I
2:17:54think we're all pretty good unless
2:17:55there's something pressing. I'd like to
2:17:57think that the insurance companies will
2:17:59get better when there's more EVs on the
2:18:02road. Like, you know, compared to when
2:18:04we first had to, you know, put insurance
2:18:06with our cars back in the day and they
2:18:08didn't want to know us, but I like to
2:18:10think they're going to get better now.
2:18:11That's for sure.
2:18:12>> Yeah, indeed. Yeah, hopefully. Um, all
2:18:16righty, Pete.
2:18:18How would you round out an awesome show
2:18:20like this? As if I didn't already know.
2:18:23As always, stay safe, stay sustainable,
2:18:25and stay ahead of the curve.
2:18:27>> And the best way to do that is buy a
2:18:29Tesla, insure it with someone that might
2:18:31not quite be uh Shannon's just yet. Uh
2:18:35join Tqua and ask us anything about
2:18:37accelerating the world's transition to
2:18:39sustainable energy and abundance.
2:18:42Have a wonderful week everyone. Do join
2:18:44us on Sunday in at Dung Craig uh for our
2:18:48casual meetup at uh noon
2:18:51>> and uh really look forward to seeing you
2:18:53on next week's episode of Tqua's Ask Us
2:18:56Anything. Good night everyone.
2:18:58>> Good night.
2:19:00>> Night everyone. Thanks Harold.

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