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0:00this would be just because our great
0:01programming here perching academia and
0:03the professional feeder but really it is
0:04to honor burner old masters one of our
0:06elders of the tribe at one of the
0:09grilling Grand Masters in chessmen would
0:11say and a unique Peter person and he is
0:15right next to us right now in the
0:17dressing room so he would come here with
0:19Cameron Steele who is someone who
0:21studied with him skip Cameron also
0:23studied a lot with Sir Robert Redford
0:26also wasted as Hazuki he translated to
0:37establish him and his work and so it's a
0:39great I think really great and where
0:42Fortuna t22 listen to one of the master
0:45so I'll try to say as little as possible
0:46I won't bore you too much and try to
0:48have questions under 10 words if you
0:50have a cell phone
0:51maybe now also at the time just take it
0:53out everyone yeah and make sure and
0:58double check it is not nothing on me and
1:03again thank you all for coming and I
1:05will go now and get that his routine
1:08camera and again thank you for coming
1:10the citizens of British academia and
1:13professional theatre international
1:14American theatre and for a long time we
1:16have to of course try to get him here we
1:17did one evening about his new book the
1:20culture is the body was camera and he
1:22sent as a video but it's a great honor
1:23to have him here it's also the end of
1:25our season we had a big season you have
1:27the book in front of us Otis said and
1:28beautiful moment us all together here
1:31the seals and I would like to thank
1:32everybody involved Rebecca and Brad and
1:34Michael um Isabella and everybody who
1:38really worked so hard to make this
1:41season so great so thank you for coming
1:43and we will be coming in right now
1:46[Applause]
3:43yeah
6:50[Applause]
7:26so again thank you all for coming and
7:30joining us here at the Siegel Center at
7:31the Graduate Center CUNY in the name of
7:33the Siegel Center and the ph.d program
7:35in theater with speed or echo so we
7:36really welcome you here and thank you
7:39Tadashi's were looking for taking the
7:41time out of your life to spend a moment
7:44with us we had a little discussion
7:49before and we thought about a couple of
7:51questions and I think we decided to I'm
7:54going to read them to him and then he
7:56will respond to the questions in in a
8:00fully association way and we have two
8:03more chairs here two more chairs there I
8:04mean they'll fill them up before we
8:07before we start someone sitting here
8:14yeah so just take class again so thank
8:17you so much and questions we had four
8:21for today's uzuki who was here to throw
8:24the Trojan women in Saratoga in
8:27collaboration with the city company but
8:28also significant conference will take
8:30place focusing on his work and impact on
8:33the global world of theater but also on
8:35one America especially so our questions
8:37were how did it feel for him to be back
8:40in the US after 15 years it's a very
8:43long time for anybody who is such a
8:46prominent figure in involved theater the
8:51play the Trojan women which is a play
8:53from the 80s who perhaps many say his
8:55signature play and he felt strongly that
8:57this play shall come here it will be
8:58performed up in Saratoga so why why that
9:01play now and what are the ideas behind
9:05it he is part one could say of the 68
9:09generation coming out of Japan and and
9:12so our question is what does he think
9:15now what theater should be concerned
9:17about what is it considered who should
9:19it be because what it was could it be
9:21really concerned about and he studied as
9:25you know political science he didn't
9:28start right away in acting schools and
9:30in the Stella Adler studios of the world
9:33he came from political science and then
9:34developed his unique work and so our
9:38thought was like battle break to also
9:40believe in the signs of theater is there
9:43as method is there a science and can it
9:45be adopted globally what he created and
9:48found as a model is the body in the last
9:52book that Cameron translated and we had
9:54a great evening here at the Siegel
9:55Center volunteer base the body that
9:56after all in system SEO of his work be
9:58the center of communication of culture
10:01and art and also globally in between
10:03countries and communicate history and we
10:06of course want to perhaps know a little
10:08bit more about Toba what you saw on the
10:10fifth is most impressive structure he
10:13created perhaps also a big inspiration
10:14for Roland Wilson for his watermill
10:16center with mobile talk abut also his
10:18contemporary working in China a lot on
10:21Asian countries and Indonesia in looking
10:26at traditions and who perhaps are
10:28vanishing and bringing his his supposed
10:30to work to it so it's a very long
10:32question and big field normally I try to
10:35be much sure that I promise I stayed the
10:38way out of it but Tadashi please don't
10:45vest I know no
10:47kokomo question but I don't mind you
10:50didn't take this day but I see another
10:52indicator that applicable for the next
10:55expect so before I get into the details
10:58of these questions he wants to give you
11:00a more of an overall picture of why he
11:04began to do theater in the first place
11:06your visor what is marriage is good many
11:09title page it appropriate to shows us
11:11connected networks
11:13so his first impulse actually when he
11:15wanted to be expressive be an artist was
11:18actually to be a novelist he's up to a
11:21resident over to us via Bloomberg
11:23mesquita and he was very interested in
11:25French culture French literature and
11:28Russian literature but I'm a bit of a
11:30pig in a boomer and also interested in
11:33the culture and literature coming from
11:36the Latin magic world arranged with a
11:39Greek from the whole Mediterranean via
11:42surah so your mother into that and then
11:47you hit upon the problem of you know why
11:51do theatre he told you mean you annoying
11:53make us kids together
11:56he in the moment that he was having
11:58these feelings he looked at the theatre
12:01that was happening around him and he
12:02didn't like any of it
12:05another thought to put them under school
12:08they took sure our educator so it's an
12:14interesting place from which you again
12:17he was a political science economics
12:20major at what's at a university when he
12:23was started you could you know come back
12:26circus a Kyoto milk when Toby's miracle
12:31you go 200 becoming a month and because
12:34he had that field of study he was really
12:37looking at the bigger picture he was
12:40trying to formulate as a young man a
12:41world view what place does Japan have in
12:44the world what what's going on in the
12:46world right now he was concerned and
12:48hitting up against these big ideas so it
12:50would be a materially trade to me and he
12:53thought the kids I didn't I just feed in
12:54mice and he thought the best way to
12:56interrogate and explore these questions
12:58was not through economic studies or
13:01through political studies that in fact
13:02through the theater to do your arms and
13:06there's three main reasons behind that
13:08mothering it you can equip the boats go
13:11first is theater uses language uses word
13:15immensely
13:16it has an important role in the process
13:18of see lexicon most of the Cordova gone
13:21and it needs a body in space the most of
13:25guru Padilla and it's something that you
13:27have to do in a community in a group but
13:30being what achieved I thought good look
13:33do you know what the Caritas must permit
13:38so nobody no polka mean token focusing
13:42on today - Mira and she's putting
13:45together this great work is huge my
13:48behavior
13:50so through those lenses of language the
13:54body you can you can view each of the
13:58hip and also the way the way of
14:01different people work in groups group
14:03body and language it's a lens through
14:06which you can see the differences
14:08between each culture each group so in
14:11Kavala lots guide but it's still mental
14:14illness so if you look at the way that
14:16language is used you can understand
14:18history about its students a lot of the
14:21vision of the main thought is Enoch
14:23so you don't only understand history and
14:26tradition by looking at language but you
14:28can also understand a kind of mentality
14:30so long jingles got with them all in
14:33that sense we consciously they're kinda
14:36safe about beach now so you can
14:39understand the sensitivities or
14:40Missouri's room or the aesthetics of a
14:43certain group by examining language you
14:49thought that's a good tool a good way to
14:50investigate different kinds of cultures
14:53differently around allows and then
14:56there's the body of about them in the
14:58law
14:59oh no not an Indian to the knowledge
15:01that the what the muskets to know super
15:04to know so we may think that we all
15:06share more or less the same body but if
15:08you actually look at each person even
15:10though that we're all the same species
15:12we're quite different if you look at
15:15each individual so know so much though
15:17you've got their confidence or not
15:19dependent lots of experiment you can see
15:21from kotaku you can see from looking at
15:24a person's body the kind of upbringing
15:26they have the kind of household they
15:27listed some original you can also see
15:30the kind of DNA yeah
15:32so there's all Nagi biking doctor via
15:35collects a shoujo Maharaja bok-bok
15:40period hike demo style show you Madonna
15:44ricotta cheese so because of those
15:46things the same kind of bacteria if a
15:48person is infected with it it it has a
15:51different effect based on that
15:53individual makeup it's not is it Moscato
15:56I cut off the way those those will not
16:00show up in different bodies is only
16:02the different basic our body and how
16:04long it takes for it to show so there
16:07are still men do some yoga mats and also
16:09depending on the age all of these things
16:12followed by the body cut about a lot
16:14commuted or you go to fine utility
16:17vehicle and so by looking at the body
16:20being aware of the body you can right
16:21away see the difference between yourself
16:23and the other so always thought about
16:27this in there what's going along that
16:29path better games got the higher that
16:31could be she might contain musket ball
16:34but there's no comeback to the organist
16:36okay I said I'm a junior would I
16:38installed we do connect must make funny
16:41jokes so oftentimes the theater is
16:43thought of is like this version sort of
16:46direct relationship between the one
16:48director and one actor but for him he
16:51thinks of it more as in at least three
16:53you need a group you need a sense of
16:56community and shared grammar with the
16:58people to create what he thinks Peter is
17:01meaning us on you does the motor could
17:04you cook a la Cucaracha magnets
17:06so another got people go when you're
17:10good what's going to make a connection
17:11so once you get more than that your use
17:13of the Google once you get more than
17:15three people working on something you
17:17start to create the idea of a nation a
17:19bug of a community you start to create
17:21rules that are shared by this group of
17:25people there's no rule get it go get an
17:27eye cup with the throw typically so a
17:29group in you just took a ball and so
17:31what allows someone to be brought into
17:33that groove or not is whether they agree
17:35with or have kind of empathy with the
17:38rules that are set up there's one on
17:40jobs I'm gonna do it with or you know so
17:42no Luca no Donna not spitting at the
17:44bottom on them and then of course you
17:46run into the problem like well who's
17:47gonna set the rules no not really got me
17:50today if you look at American politics
17:53right now you can see that problem
17:54pretty clearly
17:56sorry started telling young people and
17:58China as well you can see that problem
18:00pretty quickly
18:01do what magic you do a little bit with a
18:04little foreign experience makes you and
18:06with in one group you have a subgroups
18:09spirit and then they make their own
18:11rules within the bigger group the most I
18:14love for such a good for school ball do
18:18Reagan distance or group on me eternity
18:21I'm continuity anyway if you want to
18:24create anything that has a degree of
18:26continuity to it you need rules so sort
18:29of though you cuz that's a bit difficult
18:32you know what I'm moving and so one of
18:35the interesting things to study is how
18:37how those rules are made what's the
18:40process through which you know that
18:41shared grammar rules are arrived at oh
18:45no G hook say this veggies of two
18:48membranes become a public so how do you
18:51make rules that will last right that
18:53will that will stand the test of time I
18:56get on this dance first of our imagery
18:59Google participa book so in the case of
19:01the theater you have a truth who's you
19:04know creating work based on a set of
19:07rule what are recruiting is perfect
19:08about your go simple and if the rules
19:11don't hold with that group then the
19:14company dissolve they find contradiction
19:18there is friction within the group
19:20people don't agree it falls apart so
19:22doing social group knowing English
19:25that's sort of I think I could fit that
19:28up too but I guess I forgot that you do
19:31this man and so you need to have a way
19:33to resolve you know creative conflict
19:36you need to have something to fall back
19:37on to solutions that the use internal
19:42rifts that happen within groups so sort
19:44of Thor on a second poki Roni Sunita
19:53toe-mah-toe Java developer need on Fox a
19:57status given Apogee not appreciate polka
19:59unique statement wanna so tiny tree
20:02sucks netted it became a single canals
20:05colony so can I text or who can open in
20:07Oman burn a bit please so bring a dog so
20:11one of the things that help create these
20:13rules is
20:15by examining this idea of the other the
20:17other culture you know we try to build
20:20rules based on the body language and how
20:22the group operates but then one way to
20:25to create these rules is to as a group
20:28decide well how do we feel about this
20:30culture this person this event that's
20:33outside of the group how do we view that
20:36as a company to the code by working so
20:40for in his case he couldn't create a
20:42company and only think about Japanese
20:44problem that doesn't so the Jewish
20:45problem is you need something to hit
20:48other cases you need something to create
20:50a kind of objective distance the helper
20:53give up as you are I know Mom but
20:57there's no cutter thank you I wasn't a
21:00gentle thick enough dinner okay come to
21:03mommy
21:04my little puppy will join you in this
21:08case he grew up in a family where there
21:11was a degree of Japanese traditional
21:13performing arts practice going on and at
21:18the same time he had an interest in
21:19European culture and literature so the
21:22horrible go there the colony adorned
21:25under the turkey depicts a lot good
21:29strategy and so when he was in this
21:32process of looking at his own cultures
21:34tradition and looking at traditions
21:36outside of his culture the thing that
21:38really landed with him was the tradition
21:43of Greek tragedy it's got a higher geeky
21:46little problem colonel
21:53so I was absolutely smacked it's not
21:57really the source of anglo-saxon culture
21:59but when we think of you know the source
22:01of what is now called Western culture
22:03the Greek tragedy is at the center of
22:05that the most young so you put all of
22:10this in you beside your home
22:12so uncut that these are the voice of
22:15something to me my or open all is not a
22:19Greek the world needs episode - what
22:22people that so he had this knowledge of
22:25Japanese traditional performing arts and
22:27then he had this interest and kind of
22:29resonance with you know European history
22:32and culture and in particular Greek
22:34tragedy and that was the sort of
22:36springboard from which he began his
22:38exploration know what I said duck say
22:41that musical he wasn't doing it in
22:43necessarily a scholarly way drew called
22:47Mukherjee he thought just studying it
22:50through through language was not kind of
22:52just studying through the reading and
22:54writing was not going to be not a--not
22:56so so mr. Moore a la una cometa open
22:59economy tomorrow 6:00 p.m. so my
23:02schedule my got MK public strategies to
23:07comedy base nod Europe engaged Daisy Doo
23:14disabilities conniving today the big
23:17strategy young novice nautical in severe
23:20medical to you to establish that he
23:22looks a moderate oh cool
23:24cookie up in you know home so he really
23:27decided to go deep end of what what was
23:30at the core of the structure of Greek
23:32tragedy with tragedy which was you know
23:34behind a lot of the great work
23:36subsequent works in European history
23:38literature I in all of the Mediterranean
23:42cultures this was at the course we
23:43wanted to look at how is it structured
23:45and what is it that made it take anymore
23:48doesn't look Timothy no authorizing okay
23:51the other fun of boom god never punishes
23:54people similar I give a solid me okay
23:58well because she perspective to you know
24:03so the feeling when he was growing up in
24:06Japan was you know Western culture had
24:10permeated around the world but no matter
24:13what culture you you traveled to Western
24:16culture and the traditions of Western
24:18culture were there were part of the bay
24:21of operations of whatever else was going
24:23on but we are argument for hating words
24:28your funnel especially the intellectual
24:36circles in Japan at a time they were
24:40very much based in a reading of Western
24:43classics and there was a kind of
24:45inferiority complex that resulted
24:48welcome again by a beautiful especially
24:51in the contemporary theatre of the time
24:53what the Sicily who named it yet what's
24:55the name of it it's a circle for
24:58typically thought to be an eye but he
25:00didn't feel that way he didn't have this
25:02kind of inferiority complex but he was
25:04interested in what structures were lying
25:07behind it he boarded kill it so sort of
25:10on the bottom Jenna Coleman limited and
25:14he started to think there must be some
25:17universal principles that are shared
25:20between this Greek tragic source
25:25material that was permeated throughout
25:27the world and within his own Japanese
25:30tradition he thought there must be some
25:32so the farms you've done above the
25:34school and that was in his 30s he was
25:36starting to make that exploration Sonia
25:38done a lot the legality and the result
25:42of that first exploration was the
25:44production of the Trojan women the
25:46quarter all sizes think of the magic you
25:48now may become oh look at you mr.
25:50Bluebird and this is one this is the
25:53first production that he brought to the
25:54United States in 1979 to Brooklyn
25:57College their production of don't do
25:59them it was 38 years ago
26:05so let's again think about you need our
26:08moment it is chocolate the pen and Ellen
26:11Stewart invited into La MaMa in nineteen
26:13plus when we brought the bottle Pacific
26:18this garage personal Columbus granite on
26:21a more good experience and so here's his
26:24creations based on his exploration of
26:27Greek tragedy were the first productions
26:28that in fact he brought to the United
26:30State so their Greek tragedy Wow Jeeva I
26:35am a model game data get up so today oh
26:38no ma you'll never really make no
26:42products generated two photons it
26:44explodes it evenly and so one of the
26:47things he discovered in his expectation
26:49was that there he realized that in fact
26:51the structure that exists in Greek
26:54tragedy especially in the production of
26:55Greek tragedy there were some
26:58similarities between tricky between
27:01traditions that existed in Japan that
27:02exist today
27:04Wow I killed lieutenant serving us and
27:07there's basically three points of
27:10commonality what's your vision good
27:12husband so the first being that the
27:15theater developed them out of ISM
27:17religious ceremony so it got a keen
27:20banking on that quota and the other is
27:24something you don't see so much in the
27:25modern theater the the use of a chorus
27:28circle men coverton's
27:30and finally the use of masks oh no you
27:34no no no - you a Mick - could you
27:36imagine disco these elements you can
27:39find in the theater of the No
27:41so the shujinko color of the keys of
27:44gurus
27:44tony accardo dismay shake our key
27:47message in coma detective you cannot
27:49unsee dr. Bashir and so the the
27:54protagonists usually are coming from a a
27:58kind of situated family situation
28:02dae-su repay a Ruggiano Kodomo talked
28:07about propolis most on otome system
28:10kept sticking the monotony I didn't it
28:13was almost peaceful throughout the city
28:14components and the the structure of the
28:18space also was similar so you in in the
28:22Greek amphitheatre for example the
28:23actors would speak their text to the
28:26seat of Dionysus where they were the
28:28priests of Dionysus would often sit and
28:30would sort of have a dialogue with God
28:32through that point of focus in this day
28:35they still smoke gondola fun you are
28:37it's your hero Turkey got this one since
28:40a little since dr. Seuss did so didn't
28:43cut the english message so the
28:45performance and the acting was created
28:48with an awareness of the hierarchy of
28:50the space the actor on the stage the
28:54seat of the priest and then God brings
28:56kind of like triangle and then the
28:58audience being witness to that the local
29:01dome on that day I can't get supermomo
29:04Connie Connie Joshua will not do 616
29:08mind and in the know you have a similar
29:10structure you had a very specific seat
29:12in the audience where the Shogun would
29:14sit and the actors would speak directly
29:16to that point in space just got a nice
29:19buttery spider more sodium cortical
29:22digital book listening - ooh and so the
29:26way you move about sort of universe and
29:28everything is done in relation to that
29:30focal point in the space very similar in
29:33how government and in realism and you
29:36talk like this
29:46it does it you don't say I'm going to
29:48kill you this way so many sit ups so he
29:59was he was he was inspired by this
30:02caring Avella strategy there's no Gong
30:05Cosmo so the chi gong made the the use
30:10of the space also was quite different
30:13than modern theatre who know mr.
30:15Bellamy's farm did adore it
30:20so there's a German architect fun bit
30:24earlier do you know this is released on
30:27the road
30:28yes yes Figgis modernist portable
30:31product electrical computer can you sit
30:34the whole government don't want a damn
30:36about the mobility not stay more so now
30:39nice hmm so the idea in his arcade was
30:43then how you sort of take hierarchy out
30:47of the out of the picture in other words
30:49wherever you are in the space the
30:51quality is the same the moment was that
30:54Assemblymember the blight is the same
30:58the temperature is insane
30:59the religion is treated in a cool Frank
31:02was a kind of democratic way to imagine
31:05this thing big this really not really
31:09not there I'm sorry
31:14nomicon maybe you're not choosing
31:16Marianas fish the Madonna got to come
31:18that I've actually done it so basically
31:21what what makes modern space modern is
31:24the fact we've lost this hierarchy we've
31:27lost the kind of central focal point
31:29it's become everyone equal
31:31mangia no communist in that people to
31:33buy the show horse to do sort of like
31:38Nietzsche and says that's uh right that
31:43god is dead right so God is left to
31:45space choosing aback there's no century
31:49so today Massimo soy yo yo yo know been
31:56a monocot inestimable charity eh Tim
32:00local merit okay no karma cotta toe it
32:03is mo kono Kalakaua Anita Renaud okay
32:06good experience though you know so it
32:11was from seeing that commonality of
32:13strategies that he hit upon the idea of
32:16using the text of Greek tragedy to make
32:19a new creation not authorial no no and
32:24then just to respond your question of
32:26why the Trojan women now quarter
32:29alluvium night
32:30coño terraria non-mormon also gained a
32:33microphone he finds the themes that the
32:36Church of women addresses to be quite
32:38contemporary well we don't even need
32:41totally alone that the unica destitution
32:43so Euripides is the automated the Trojan
32:47women who know tokyo technical tourism a
32:50goody-goody capital offense erotic mini
32:55muckey tahoe no Kuni ons MBR kara-tay
33:01dinosuars em the crucifix me so what
33:04happens in the story is that the greeks
33:07go and they annihilate throwing all of
33:10the warriors males are destroyed right
33:15the same so do you throw whatever no in
33:19the movie is also possible to have same
33:21jewish nazione so what happens in
33:24contemporary warfare is different you
33:26there's a kind of an invasion that
33:29happens anything over the human genius
33:31and there's a there's a creation as a
33:34colonization it was all available convey
33:37me dance your dance your policy kunio a
33:41pattern of libya cara de Beauvoir Ichiko
33:45god she means up for them to show me so
33:47seductive otto's man so the idea of
33:50completely annihilating not just the
33:52people but all of the buildings all of
33:54the culture in one shot is something you
33:58meet the what happens in the play is it
34:00the questionable no well then the show
34:03me such a discard the idea is a complete
34:05annihilation of an entire of the enemy
34:08so they are it is this regime cool well
34:11explode I think at the moment we show to
34:14the public baths poor so there only
34:16fishermen no telling but I knew I did
34:18call mom's taking me city monuments and
34:21there's this famous scene where Achilles
34:23kills Hector and it's not enough to have
34:26killed him he
34:27strings him up to the back of his
34:29carriage and parades him around to show
34:33them he said sure ensues and he makes a
34:35show of the destruction of Hector could
34:38audience and after the whistle
34:41so he sees a strong connection between
34:43this and the kinds of things Isis is
34:45doing today the mentality behind those
34:49kinds of actions by the symbolism of
34:52core by the main product so when he
34:57talks about sort of an ancient mentality
34:59of those days it this kind of extremism
35:02there no other girl Europol had a man to
35:07cancel so to know that I could suck you
35:10know there's an inhuman so this the
35:14awareness of this you know human
35:16tendency to up total destruction is
35:19something that came about in the
35:20Mediterranean culture of that time that
35:22is not soldiers here and if you look at
35:25the what the Nazis did it was a similar
35:27kind of idea of total annihilation of
35:31the people means of course Minister look
35:33to go this idea of total destruction of
35:37a race or of a client there so are you
35:41sort of discussion so about your proviso
35:44he Antikythera group people specifically
35:47but they couldn't say 1000 people dying
35:52this now is to the Potala scum initial
35:58the Kolkata coconut I this is economics
36:01they go collect our energy from I got
36:06instructor smoke a certificate alumina
36:11course P do you polka manufacture so
36:15what makes what Isis is doing a little
36:17bit different than what the Nazis were
36:18doing is in those day and there's been a
36:20lot of sort of talking about and
36:24apologizing about a restoration of
36:26national relations since those days
36:27between Germany and the rest of europe
36:29and north of the world but that was
36:31something in those days that would
36:32definitely have any bit more more so
36:34between countries now Isis is going
36:37beyond national boundaries of just
36:40taking anybody it can from any place to
36:42get behind more of a religious religious
36:46push mamas you don't know my okay
36:49but something at Genesis yeah shuco yep
36:55good puppet I dunno you move to more
36:57scalable more quick what I think the
36:59mentality Yamato
37:02so my you see they talk about it as a
37:05religious conflict but he actually
37:07thinks of it more as a retrogression
37:10into this kind of ancient mentality that
37:12you see depicted so depicted so clearly
37:16in the in the Greek tragedy so the
37:18Morrisons called the junior level to
37:20honor this man what are you do you just
37:22do some German so another important
37:25point to think about when analyzing you
37:28know why this is such an important born
37:30play is the the existence of Euripides
37:33himself for you just do not cut the give
37:36you some harmless still number so
37:38Euripides was a Greek he was from the
37:40winning side totally anonymous to deny
37:44it wasn't a victim wasn't a Trojan who
37:48wrote the play so there now who know
37:50giddy Sammy's hee-honk pick him out do
37:53coke I thought it was a little items so
37:55he was shocked that it was a play
37:57written by a Greek criticizing his own
38:00country culture so Jesus - it's
38:04something that's difficult to do and get
38:07away with no notice no rules at all she
38:11doesn't know guru politics - there
38:13aren't any taking oh so much static in
38:16here so very tasty huh taking out the
38:19kill Kohaku
38:21I mean window no Quattro no go see solo
38:25come on we are public never gets on
38:29Monday
38:29Julian's arrest immaculate not dokkan
38:32dokkan game of triangle so this idea of
38:35being from a country that completely
38:37annihilates another and then to write a
38:40play from the point of view of the
38:42victims side and not just write a play
38:44about I put it in a public forum so
38:46something incredibly to do not only in
38:48his time but today so the quarter of all
38:53of us is also a sequel to the tool
38:56and we thought the will and encouraged
38:59to do that was who was impressed by
39:01thankful teach time us today what
39:03there's not only cover the nothing so
39:06kind of God in Muskego
39:07mob we should I do you know the
39:11community so when you decide to get in a
39:16kind of enemy relationship with another
39:18like for example when Bush got involved
39:21in the Iraq war
39:24he called them evil right come on carpet
39:29doing the law courses to convince guys
39:32do if there's nobody well muffled
39:35examples and so what he understood with
39:39that languages it's okay to kill them
39:41okay so they well should never do so in
39:49any human being if you're under the
39:52right circumstances if your threat you
39:54have the capacity to kill another human
39:56being you have a lot you all today
39:58regardless of the country you're in no
40:00China Russia which is a big spike on
40:03Kenya I set up a blog it's once you have
40:08a mortal enemy the will and the ability
40:12to kill your peers you don't think any
40:15boy get that kills them to do so what
40:22happens is you there's a suspension of
40:25judgment there's a suspension of
40:26thinking of whether what you're doing is
40:28good or not you're in that relationship
40:30and so you have permission especially
40:33there never says you can like to do that
40:35to use anymore let's give them all a bit
40:37of a CC not acceptable economically so
40:41he thinks it's important for you know
40:43you know political leaders to come out
40:45and have strong opinions and make strong
40:48actions at times that's that's obviously
40:50necessary for the world to continue
40:54listen I gotta go to LA so cuckoo Dino
41:00mentality
41:00yo Nyoka Cartier so they were modeling
41:03animation in stereo
41:05200 digitally Kiyoshi a great table
41:08tonight
41:09but one of the things that's harder to
41:11grab and what display does such a good
41:12job of is this kind of ancient mentality
41:17this ability within the human being to
41:20completely annihilate the other still
41:22exist that potential still lives in us
41:26today the operation of a very modern
41:28we'll give you a nagger to be doing in
41:30this know this colossal rock isn't he
41:32again very optimistic honor and that's
41:35why he thinks Greek tragedy is still
41:38pertinent today we should be extent over
41:41there talking to step towards bit so so
41:48it's the sort of thing you know there
41:50there are people from modern realism
41:52like it said and writers like this that
41:55are thought to thought to sort of
41:56continue to carry some kind of messages
41:58always without their I'm a good
42:01extremity a
42:02cugino they were controlled initiation
42:07running and you are they up to make up
42:10initiated but what Greek tragedy is so
42:14good at is making very clear the extreme
42:17kind of situations in which human beings
42:19can find themselves about according runs
42:22usual success but nothing did well I
42:24guess Digimon delicate so it's the he's
42:29presenting situations when which human
42:31beings you know cannot find a solution
42:34for in their daily lives one also looks
42:37good outcomes and shoot kill professor
42:39so to connect Fiji so whether its
42:41political conflict or military conflict
42:44he's attracted to those kinds of
42:46problems that don't have an easy
42:48solution
42:48what does you know Connor I thought a
42:50while you don't say cuz I'm a member of
42:52the coaching acai gets addicted in
42:54Mumbai with a negative CT stick and I
42:56dip in semester so basically what is
42:59choosing place
43:00he tried to find things that don't have
43:03any of the solution just in thinking
43:04about the way he leaves his daily life
43:06when he when he runs up against the
43:08conflict written about in these plays
43:10that he can't right away figure out how
43:11to solve
43:12that's what pulls him in there so
43:14hopefully tomorrow
43:15lucky my back is gonna so this medium -
43:19team so does neck and Achilles there no
43:22I will explode okay
43:23now put in so cool come a little more
43:28that's right that's far enough
43:31vamos the most famous example and you
43:35feel that the Greek tragedies are the
43:37plays that you know have the most
43:39extreme and most clear conflicts that
43:43are attractive to so their dismay that
43:49developer to mimic a lie kappa we can't
43:54examine under the right person our motto
43:58now that you know China Indonesia the
44:01use coupons now especially what s you
44:05are this we need a protection ah so put
44:10no guru pool guru no mama no cognizable
44:13decides to do not coming any corrupted
44:17me the Surgeon General Thomas so one of
44:21the things he thinks is important into
44:22understanding any culture understanding
44:25one's own culture is to go outside of it
44:27right to travel outside of it so you get
44:29a kind of objectivity so - you are more
44:32look at the opportunities so
44:36the way he began I was going to to
44:38Europe in degree and the next major step
44:41outside of Japan that he made with on to
44:43the to Russia
44:45what's gorgeous really nice doctors
44:47right well he did a production of King
44:49Lear at the Moscow Art the senior-most
44:53cooperation McQueen don't love you baby
44:56and they're still doing is training
44:57there today what's going to get up to
44:59but no longer business and
45:01King Lear is not part of the
45:04the repertory that they performed it so
45:06know much about America give me my
45:08sandwich and then you know before he
45:10went to Russia he was also regularly in
45:12the United States and had a lot of
45:14interest here so uh but he kept started
45:17in the dorm I mean he killed and then
45:20after being here he started to think
45:21about what is capitalism
45:25it was the undervalue our whole Qaeda
45:28within them not that kill time see the
45:30nominal I they stay focused at the
45:33curriculum what some of its country and
45:35so the years that he was here in the
45:37United States was right before
45:38perestroika right before the iron
45:40curtain fell and the Communist
45:42experiment was shown not to work so he
45:45was wondering what happened with you
45:47Matthew opium was not condoms
45:49very thought of site chosen simply to
45:53think of a night
45:55so there are not our medical cost unit
45:57capitalism or say corseted mm okay so
46:00hope I succumb Thank You Mia so one of
46:03the reasons why he's so interested in
46:05China now is it's it's still rampant
46:08capitalism but it's state capitalism its
46:11County this capitalism there's no
46:13election so you you you sort of have to
46:16be the capitalist there it's not
46:18democratic it's state capitalism he's
46:20wondering like how's that going to hold
46:22up for a very to orphanages you can it's
46:24something that's actually if you look at
46:26history it's actually never happened
46:27this sort of a people will judge
46:29somebody what we're stood thickness and
46:32there's people that are really
46:33interested in want to continue with that
46:35way that is going there's other people
46:37that are very much against it
46:39skirt Subarnarekha whopper bested
46:41pathologies but in any case it's having
46:45a huge influence on the world right now
46:47dr. Bernard is Roberto Clemente
46:49I'm coming in southern Russia
46:51unaccompanied well iota for you did you
46:54keyboard very much day so if you look at
46:56historically the national socialist
46:58socialism or communism or or all of
47:03those movements that have been in Europe
47:04in the 20th century they had a huge
47:06influence over the entire world
47:08so there's aa no people what it did
47:12Mowbray get to the clock
47:14and when that experiment failed
47:18you had play robotic Beckett and
47:20Aravalli UNESCO showing up talking about
47:23the way Searle and only the conflicts
47:25that those ideas created left behind
47:29Alma it's got more remarkable Roddick
47:32enough to conjure more suited to show
47:35and he's wondering now make that sort of
47:37era of wasteland and of ending of an
47:41ideal is coming to the night of the days
47:43perhaps did not set up means I got much
47:46she's almost a hundred others to go to
47:49the mountain soon as she never has no
47:50car like that the puppy thereby equal to
47:52like a Jew let's dig in that every
47:53ghetto so not doing it another two-year
47:55experiment on them people yeah I do not
47:58everybody has this idea the American
48:00Dream and it's good to have that in a
48:02passionate about that but maybe there's
48:04a kind of deception that's going on
48:05kinda got you what Joe does right now
48:09there's a big China dream going on a lot
48:12of people are behind that in China
48:14harmonica don't sign on lorry etiquette
48:17OE what so screaming for you of course
48:19there is a critical voice about that
48:22idea but there's a large force that
48:25believes in that is moving that idea
48:27forward so we're gonna develop a more
48:31image to display and sucky things
48:33extinct with the book on a dock thank
48:36you think uh dying is yours it'll come
48:39back as well
48:39anything odd will kill me a multi
48:42superstar Terry know it's a ministry and
48:44so really the idea of you know how the
48:47feeder in China is going to respond to
48:48that it's an interesting moment
48:50especially when you look at theater in
48:53the process of making theater via
48:54language via the body we have the weight
48:57groups and rules are formed
48:59it's an interesting moment but there's
49:01no kamae got the most spider attack or
49:04Angela papa
49:05according to very nice job for most so
49:07these are vintage the this is kind of
49:10the base of his thinking and he sort of
49:13set that out for you my mother you go to
49:16a time and so he doesn't have any more
49:18to say I'll pause devised new favorite
49:22now you just have to see the play
49:23my still smokin up Phileas done he sort
49:27of he sort of you know with a stream of
49:30consciousness explanation of what was
49:31going on he went there and here this
49:34will you say belladonna is a topical
49:38elemental energy no dump dump any time
49:41for called a compiler stimuli even a
49:44good idea usually at night it was a
49:46thought for sick I would only time be
49:49paying idiot because people thought of
49:53thermodynamics so instead of in
49:56responding to each of these questions
49:57individually he really wanted to give
49:59you first an idea of his worldview and
50:02why he thought to make theater in the
50:04first place and to get the base ideas
50:06behind that clear to you thank you very
50:12much
50:13what is your very first memory of
50:15theater ever foundational qku again I
50:23thank you for the past you know she was
50:30there Apatow
50:35bounnam no no me no me no dizzy samples
50:41so we grew up in a household where there
50:46were musicians who accompanied the
50:49Bunraku a traditional form of puppetry
50:52in Japan which is called Bloomberg they
50:55in this case they were operated with
50:59with strip all day for the 7/7 because
51:02of their game campaign and next to that
51:05puppet is a musician playing a shamisen
51:07a string doesn't lamentable much of the
51:13what the building because they have you
51:15sorry I gotta do what they are we
51:20haven't and so at the same time as you
51:22play there's a there's a vocal
51:24localization
51:28here's another gimmick when you have to
51:30sit and say that with your knees on the
51:32ground to sit on your heels okay well
51:34these are mostly and then for example
51:37you see there and over there there's an
51:38old man Mitchell walks in and when he
51:41was in elementary school he remembers
51:43seeing this and so the old man sitting
51:47there said come over here he was playing
51:50the shamisen sit got there oh she makes
51:56all these voices the other night does it
51:58go up it and he was really terrified by
52:00these sounds that were coming from a
52:01spot and and and expressions in his face
52:05as he may be sound and play virginal he
52:13thought he's gonna die he thought it was
52:17going to be like Mishima Yukio you know
52:19committing harakiri and you know from
52:26this kind of intense body the boiling
52:28would come she City it seemed like a
52:30kind of hysteria so he tried not to look
52:44because was so it was too much for him
52:46so when he sort of shift his body not to
52:48look someone behind it like hit him on
52:50the back look I know sound well don't do
52:54that the work at all ug composted she'd
52:57be there and you may know this but if
52:59you sit in and say that for a long time
53:01on your knees you know sooner or later
53:02you're going to lose circulation in your
53:04in your calves offspring you gots the
53:07United you can't really relax when
53:09you're in this position keep your
53:13tension you keep your position you want
53:15the other on that I hate Japanese
53:17culture
53:21Hey and they thought god this is cedar
53:28that I never want to do this absolu got
53:33green hair for what I thought is I'm
53:35gonna go study French literature and I'm
53:38not out there we already see bins it'll
53:40never come here we've done that and so
53:42he when every moment he had he read
53:44French literature whether he was in the
53:46bathroom a toilet wherever whatever he
53:49was doing he would try to escape that
53:54was his first memory haha you got so
53:58much character works in psyche on it but
54:02lately I think I was but you know well
54:04that was a good experience to him could
54:08I just go home sir but it was this
54:10shocking to the system it was hard to
54:13get through and if you see these
54:17traditional forms of Asian theater now
54:19in Indonesia or China what how do what
54:23is the future of that what is this
54:24intervention what is this what is he
54:26praying that whatever used to really do
54:27my informational to attend to
54:39I'm in the research to become a famous
54:42reporter the English original engine
54:46Alabama definitely the two McGraw took
54:51personal physical safe culture they
54:55watch over cotton so the clinic has been
54:58Indonesia and Japan China are different
55:00obviously but in the case of China
55:02you know the different dynasties you
55:05know changed the way the culture
55:06developed over history for very changing
55:08often in an economy is Oakland Oakland
55:10musicals boom boom so basically the it
55:14came out of an agricultural you know -
55:17nope I don't live in before suburban do
55:20so before before the agricultural
55:25civilization existed in in China there
55:28was a kind of civilization is that was
55:30driven by by horses are you of course
55:33you don't put significant you have to
55:36love you over here you see it and
55:37another big difference is that in China
55:40there's the use of the chair rights of
55:43your connection to the floor is
55:44different you know what don't tell me to
55:46go what also in Japan you would sit on
55:49top of tatami round with strong
55:52connection remember it's in the
55:54Nakamatsu even within the house you
55:56would sit directly on various
55:58information on your people and because
56:00of that there's a little bit more of a
56:02connection with Indonesia and Japan you
56:04know what you didn't know who this girl
56:06and we have no Union and also in Japan
56:10the use of rights and fields and rice
56:13paddies and planting within water these
56:17are multiple this cut up front against
56:19your own us no controversy on this and
56:21through doing that kind of a little
56:24budget planting you you get a different
56:27sort of you develop a different
56:28sensitivity in your feet something needs
56:30a mushroom he's going to show you quick
56:33see there nope on the wire does these
56:35are observable so if you just kind of
56:38jump into the rice paddy you're gonna
56:40slide and sink into it raises as you may
56:43other place it's it's it's soft so in
56:45order not to sink on it you need to walk
56:47at certain ways so the centavo but are
56:49looking up for a spluttering
56:51you have to hold on with your core with
56:53your center of gravity to keep your
56:54balance and not sink suddenly can't
56:56double what everything else so you hear
56:58you keep cheating you hold over the
57:00other night to find another market must
57:05mark a night if you cook UK if you can't
57:08keep your next clear line with your
57:10centers you walk through the rice paddy
57:12the the way you distribute the right
57:14seats isn't going to be easy
57:17monetization is little cent on what on
57:19female corn soda also doesn't so how
57:22you're able to control your Center is
57:24you as you cross the rice paddy to
57:26distribute the seed becomes very
57:28important there's good on you all know
57:30if it all supports and if you look at
57:32sumo wrestlers there's a similar
57:34phenomenon were sorters Jubal's we're
57:37also in judo is it other much so there
57:42are no Universal missus if they have to
57:44make a quick cross they keep the level
57:46of their Center the same same in the
57:48know and when you cross the space the
57:51height of your Center is the same can
57:53open you what you know so do you so
57:54every much good in China that exists but
57:57total sumo but it's more up and down
58:00Beijing's more about the center rises
58:02and falls more informational motojima
58:05Cristiano Indonesia as you go to dinner
58:08on your mother walk tomas koroa
58:09very sort of your question - if you look
58:13at it in an Asian culture there's more
58:15of a connection to the ground and
58:16there's still in the everyday life there
58:18there's you know religious ritual from
58:20the Islam from in because in do culture
58:22it still exists in everyday life in so
58:24you can see that connection very clearly
58:26in those ritual so no institution must
58:28order the sodium Judy came on okay more
58:33intonation some
58:34so Judy and I we fight anymore for
58:37example spent a lot of time in Indonesia
58:38watched by the way of course when she
58:40was young
58:41watching the way the traditional
58:43performing artists would you may need
58:45sueance re-conquer
58:49soon as i ones are so quickly understood
58:53which I wanted the way they could
58:56quickly lower their centre close to the
58:58ground
58:58well neither would eat authorities
59:00Indonesian stuff that's something he did
59:04recently in an audition
59:05it won't do out a minute so we shut up
59:07when he had the Indonesian actors face
59:10rock bumps come out and then suddenly
59:13they all from a City reunion even even
59:17though
59:17Clytemnestra was speaking her text she
59:20sees anybody wanting but soon Oakland in
59:25Indonesia
59:26you have everyone basically able to do
59:28that very flexible in this part of their
59:29body and in Japan nowadays that actually
59:31flexibilities my statue will be missing
59:33for me but it going away and I'm also a
59:36mother also in Islamic and ceremonies
59:44there's a strong connection to the floor
59:49you want you on it for you got polka
59:51performance open over in the ledgers you
59:54excuse so in Japan in the house you have
59:57the tatami or the straw man that you're
1:00:00walking on but in Indonesia it directly
1:00:02with your on the ground that there's
1:00:03this really enjoyed with you in it
1:00:05so that's a big difference look at it
1:00:07against you know what what is not sahaja
1:00:09maternal nice time there you know you
1:00:13could go to show so one of the most
1:00:16noticeable differences is you know for
1:00:18example you go to crease and you see
1:00:20that the feeders are made of stone
1:00:22there's got a point high tonight so also
1:00:24the commercial beer came home okay you
1:00:28can't use your feet in a dynamic way you
1:00:30can't stomp you can't do some new key
1:00:33training on that space maybe stone
1:00:35you'll hurt yourself
1:00:36that our particle concerts going on mr.
1:00:40City of Concord
1:00:41what sort of marginal you in order to
1:00:43develop sensitivity in your feet in
1:00:46Bondi Rafiq Anita Anita it's a space
1:00:49that's able to be pliable the surface
1:00:53mother yeah when you want you know
1:00:59moment of love medical Nigel's
1:01:00collectimus photo
1:01:01so in Indonesia they still have that you
1:01:04know connection reliable earth in Japan
1:01:06now it's a westernized they were losing
1:01:10it's become Americanized I was trying to
1:01:14sort of avoid that before before we take
1:01:17maybe one or two of the audience
1:01:18questions really one question or toga
1:01:22this incredible dream or vision of the
1:01:26for the theater and for the world so
1:01:29it's kind of a very local place but also
1:01:32such a global place over the decades
1:01:35does he think is the theater a global we
1:01:38all have to sink in global connections
1:01:40now we see God the way doesn't work it's
1:01:48like a guru put honest and absolutely
1:01:51group so there we negotiate in Navarre
1:01:58nine York issued on the stake is super
1:02:00difficult October tokens so his reason
1:02:03for going to toga knows if you don't
1:02:05know toga is a small hamlet in the
1:02:07mountains of hand and he brought his
1:02:09company there and the reason he went
1:02:10there was we wanted to figure out how to
1:02:12create a group
1:02:14there's nothing about but I did another
1:02:18store butters are so crisp about it yeah
1:02:20well you know cover the mistake so she
1:02:25took Chanel too so in the case of ballet
1:02:29classical ballet there is a process
1:02:32through which you're able to become part
1:02:33of a group of ballerinas where you need
1:02:35to transform your body to be able to
1:02:37enter into that grammar right so of
1:02:40course Georgia bar they almost know
1:02:43and musicians have a grammar they need
1:02:46to become proficient at it in order to
1:02:48be part of the conversation again the
1:02:52other room Wow not a group of cases
1:02:56already and so he thought what do I need
1:02:59to do to create a kind of theatrical
1:03:00grammar what how do I create a group
1:03:03that shares such a grand for you both oh
1:03:06come on
1:03:06this also thought you died like a circle
1:03:10I did switch the little bro cases
1:03:12already do you gonna stop well one way
1:03:15is to have a great writer and to have a
1:03:17group of performers that are around that
1:03:20wider oh nice oil grandma okay
1:03:23oh no no what were kicked it over so you
1:03:26thought that matter to go over the group
1:03:28located in the first well one thing
1:03:31that's important you need to
1:03:32economically support that group right do
1:03:35you have
1:03:36you know chunk of money and you evenly
1:03:38distribute that to the people that are
1:03:41there and that's one way to support the
1:03:43group right to keep it together yeah so
1:03:45so warm up or does it very openly nice
1:03:47toy dinosaur place you gotta move my
1:03:49face festival for bill amended but if
1:03:52you look at summative okay well if you
1:03:55look at music even if you have a great
1:03:58composer that composer alone not
1:04:01necessarily what makes a group of
1:04:03musicians able to play together engaging
1:04:07form a group
1:04:08so without the optimum so what but what
1:04:12can I do in the theater I thought what
1:04:13could I do in the theater to make a
1:04:15group possible my poor self thought
1:04:17Sodom dismayed diagonals I had a
1:04:19two-pronged approach that spoke to raw
1:04:22cut I'll go screams easy fella thoughts
1:04:25go through the wound pull the Dharma
1:04:28realm I'll kill you su esposa and so the
1:04:31first thing was to create a physical
1:04:33grammar that all the actors could share
1:04:36discuss II got audience mokuba see
1:04:40organist allowed to run across so most
1:04:42famous lies
1:04:44so no space nahhh so much so that
1:04:47showcases a rocket engine a cup coconut
1:04:50aminos
1:04:51chorus you can also this neck after the
1:04:54g'tok or space madness and adoptionism
1:04:56real atmosphere suits good pass miss you
1:04:59go and another really another really
1:05:02important part of this is the creating
1:05:04with a group a relationship with a space
1:05:07right much in the way that religious
1:05:10groups have a very special relationship
1:05:12with a place of worship yoga theater
1:05:15company needs to have a space in which
1:05:17they work in a deep relationship that's
1:05:19developed in which they develop grammar
1:05:21one of Tata cottage state o Muslims so
1:05:25the Suzuki mistletoe - you could go to a
1:05:27local a whole subsidy Quito genki-dama
1:05:31mommy took on a big job lost I got
1:05:33scooped unique money so there were two
1:05:36basic things he wanted to do in toga
1:05:38create a method which would you know be
1:05:41supporting of his style that all the
1:05:44members of the group would share and
1:05:45then to have that group from their own
1:05:48efforts create a space you can create a
1:05:51relationship with that space so early
1:05:53sucio coma donor naughty monkey so if
1:05:55you if you know sushi you know that
1:05:59norimaki you do wrapping in nori seaweed
1:06:02I roll right okay let doc would you know
1:06:05could see cup of liquid suitable to you
1:06:14so one of the reasons why sushi rolls
1:06:18work is because the rice sticks together
1:06:21neither your none distributed oh it's
1:06:24all sushi rice it's all been cooked a
1:06:26certain way with vinegar and it sticks
1:06:28together sort of that support ESP cut
1:06:31off Marga Nino DMACC know do would be my
1:06:34but that alone isn't enough you need to
1:06:35wrap a bunch of nori around it to keep
1:06:37it really together
1:06:40Nora Holden opponent is their commander
1:06:44stories for you
1:06:45don't I have sushi no no sushi no no
1:06:48debugging so that the ideas that you
1:06:51have all the pieces of rice sticking
1:06:52together and they're surrounded by than
1:06:54the nori seaweed this ha ha ha ha go to
1:07:00nor'easter stories floating up good good
1:07:03together nice tuna Matthew so awesome so
1:07:06you need Virginia the the fact that all
1:07:09these pieces of rice to share a similar
1:07:11quality and they can stick together and
1:07:13you need the nori around them to keep
1:07:16the shape so the the nori the seaweed is
1:07:24the space couldn't in no not before
1:07:29whole and the thing that makes the
1:07:31pieces of rice stick together is the
1:07:33grammar this is a training so they look
1:07:35good basically your honor
1:07:38I thought to do that and I personally I
1:07:45think I sure why not and he realized
1:07:52that also result of a pigeon digs you
1:07:53prefer then he realized to really make
1:07:56sticky rice in the purest way and mmmn
1:08:01in the most thorough way he had to go
1:08:04outside of the city people are too
1:08:05distracted in the big city they can't
1:08:07concentrate to really transform
1:08:09themselves and so that was a choice
1:08:12together about the one would up to the
1:08:14worry that do you this thing so if the
1:08:16more so so long you know what does this
1:08:19what a thoughtful brother I'm gonna come
1:08:21picking me not even question sister
1:08:26Superboy has commenced so the other main
1:08:29reason why he wanted to go to toga is he
1:08:33wanted to create a place where it would
1:08:35be possible to encounter the other it's
1:08:37something in Japan that's actually very
1:08:39difficult it's a
1:08:41Jonah's society and it's difficult to
1:08:44have meaningful connections with people
1:08:46outside of Japanese society sort at all
1:08:50you don't know finish the right mud
1:08:51Marcus is a musical Christmas
1:08:54click respected spectacle and so in toga
1:08:57and the way it exists now is there's
1:08:59every summer people from up to 20
1:09:02countries come and gather there and they
1:09:05cross pollinate they influence each
1:09:08other and different points of view are
1:09:10possible to encounter
1:09:11well what do you do then door didn't
1:09:13open from there so here we have Ellen
1:09:17Lauren who's with musica respect only
1:09:20should not also have Tom Hewitt who's a
1:09:22star of Broadway musicals we all know
1:09:24doing with the other books we performed
1:09:27in pieces that were performed in English
1:09:29and Japanese
1:09:30just as elements double score here on
1:09:32the blue plus for the capers present and
1:09:34then the bunch of actors from the Moscow
1:09:38Art Theater came to toga and trained
1:09:40there what was you all really good all
1:09:44right so good and then a entire class
1:09:47from the central academy of drama and
1:09:49China has just recently been in toga as
1:09:52well the big toys as well it's a
1:09:54facility that has five feeders have a go
1:09:57to need about it and 150 people can can
1:10:01stay where the dormitories that are
1:10:02there so you really did even go Google's
1:10:06voice and that's ago Michigan for
1:10:09students Oh concept sort of a
1:10:11pseudonymous
1:10:12and it's so his idea was then this kind
1:10:16of place was necessary a place where you
1:10:18could in a very focused way encounter
1:10:21the other encounter someone from a
1:10:22culture different than your own and and
1:10:24many and to see what you shared Joseph
1:10:27in the Omo so this chap started on the
1:10:30book filters to our kids I'm sorry oh
1:10:33thank you Scott
1:10:34don't you look wonderful typically
1:10:36what's too much business but it's the
1:10:38kind of idealistic situation which would
1:10:41be incredibly expensive to do in a place
1:10:43like Tokyo so it could afford or
1:10:46judgments about this path conscious
1:10:48focus and also it's because we live in
1:10:50this era of terrorism you know whatever
1:10:53you do in a place
1:10:54like you know Tokyo or New York you're
1:10:58constantly being you know people are
1:11:00looking at what you're doing you're
1:11:02being surveyed from the outside sort of
1:11:05their des College in skylight Google and
1:11:08you have to be really careful with time
1:11:09so hundreds oh and you have to be
1:11:13careful how you organize the space right
1:11:15so school yeah I'm not very very much so
1:11:18you know in order to have a free use of
1:11:22time and space
1:11:24the only choice is to go up into the
1:11:26mountains the only people that are you
1:11:31know the only surveillance we have up
1:11:32there in the mountains are the you know
1:11:33the raccoons that cool they're the only
1:11:37ones who are watching what we're doing
1:11:39the disappearing report about this this
1:11:43last year there was a big incident in
1:11:44toga with a huge landslide go to mr.
1:11:48Gong took the run was like there was a
1:11:50you couldn't get in and out of the town
1:11:53for about where you have a newspaper and
1:11:55it's a town where only 400 people really
1:11:58have any more sort of every size up
1:12:01there and then the people that live
1:12:03there now after this landslide they all
1:12:04want to leave but supposed to go
1:12:06clapping everybody know and so he is
1:12:08thinking well that's pretty good now I
1:12:09can really do whatever I want
1:12:12please I thought skeptic would have
1:12:14loved him so he might have to ask the
1:12:17mark Martin's March another kind of
1:12:20every animal are the ones that will give
1:12:23you guys an idea bro we call SWAT can
1:12:26you connect a vacuum which so Duke
1:12:28experienced so because all of this
1:12:32happened now they actually have a lot
1:12:33more support from the central government
1:12:35so top of them all of this land and
1:12:39facility is he's able to use other
1:12:41for you something good out of a
1:12:45catastrophe maybe we'll take one or two
1:12:47questions and then maybe TCG make a
1:12:50short statement but thank you again
1:12:52thank you very much I also want to point
1:12:53out that Martin Siegel after whom this
1:12:55data actually is named brought him I
1:12:57think in 91 to the accessible of the
1:12:59International Arts I don't know if you
1:13:01remember Marty Segal who also brought
1:13:04him before the last but one of the
1:13:05really great shows the dynamics is so I
1:13:09don't know how to do that but being
1:13:11really Tadashi Suzuki has to be out at
1:13:1312:15 so we have one or two a question
1:13:16so one here and two I'm my second busy
1:13:22way of life
1:13:22hi I'm curious how you feel you're
1:13:25teaching your work is transformed since
1:13:29the 1970s to now she was ultimately from
1:13:33equality I'll say what I feel perfect
1:13:45happened has it changed
1:13:50no ha ha how about your mama papa
1:13:55but the world has changed Dada how to
1:14:00gain the scuttle appointment so he's you
1:14:04know the way that women had gorgeous
1:14:06there's a lip there you know you check
1:14:10up on me the angle changes of the angle
1:14:14of his work his approach changes as the
1:14:16world a still very acidic optimism
1:14:19imagine the the strategy is his
1:14:22directorial strategy and the training
1:14:25itself I haven't really changed that
1:14:27does but the marginal a nice colors that
1:14:29all not equal to after all the demand to
1:14:31fix
1:14:34I mean of course he's a director and he
1:14:38has had a natural organic progression
1:14:40he's gone from one text to know there's
1:14:42different things he's been interested in
1:14:44but his strategy and his philosophy has
1:14:48expanded but I haven't really because
1:14:50the essence of it haven't changed
1:14:52no visual devote don't want the knife do
1:14:54it some people when they meet him they
1:14:57say you haven't changed at all but that
1:15:03those are usually Japanese people what
1:15:08before you've gone I deduced the
1:15:10obstacle not to go to rural to students
1:15:11so if the the philosophical point of
1:15:15view is his worldview he's kept a clear
1:15:20hang a clear point of view that's that's
1:15:23developed me shifted it as the world is
1:15:25shifted other sides I'm hoping that
1:15:27that's nothing what did you do in the
1:15:30book culture is the body there's a thing
1:15:32called an body part the lonely village
1:15:35and that's something he wrote thirty
1:15:37years ago the mother will caught the
1:15:40light but the ideas that are expressed
1:15:43in that article still hold true them
1:15:45what's lesson today you're filming it
1:15:47might they met he may even be some
1:15:49stripper committed he may even have more
1:15:52resolution behind those ideas today than
1:15:54he did when he wrote it but the you know
1:15:56don't belittle Perkins in poetry
1:15:57discipline you know every day Japan is
1:16:01becoming more and more in an urbanized
1:16:03country so people are leaving from the
1:16:06countryside still today so all the
1:16:09arguments is making in that are still
1:16:11quite true so we all know that Greek
1:16:16tragedy and those a Shakespeare more or
1:16:18less play very significant your work in
1:16:20your way of thinking and you also
1:16:23mentioned a lot about French literature
1:16:24since you love bridge your literature so
1:16:27I wonder how French literature has
1:16:29changed your weight of thought or your
1:16:33practition if any
1:16:47what I'd forgive me not disconnect rest
1:16:54of the chakra biggest family Rebecca's
1:16:57Kutcher spoken like a scientist
1:16:59so Justin you know it was something
1:17:02especially when he was young with it
1:17:04really influenced him and the one the
1:17:06writer who were influenced in most was
1:17:07in fact Samuel Beckett this work so she
1:17:10was just give out the water give you so
1:17:12he makes poor needy people six people
1:17:15check over for big his he focuses most
1:17:20of his work on four playwrights write
1:17:21Europe videos Shakespeare Chekhov and
1:17:24Samuel Beckett the Euro funnels us from
1:17:27the South window for the woman I love
1:17:29Vic Pena he in terms of working with a
1:17:33European playwrights he almost never
1:17:35does work beyond those four it's a big
1:17:39IRA stone but it's a good group he did
1:17:42do a version of Cyrano de Bergerac but
1:17:45besides that thanks to those forge and
1:17:48hopefully a little fun a fixed order to
1:17:50put this ball 6/4 a big generally if
1:17:55those photo killed max he's not
1:17:57interested in anything else thank you so
1:18:02we now come to the last segment of the
1:18:05great publishers of a dashiki spoken
1:18:08many others here Terry to speak a bit
1:18:11about their relation what they do with
1:18:13them it also there will be a signing of
1:18:15some of the books here just as you name
1:18:17in case we have one or want to get one
1:18:20or want to have fun somewhere else that
1:18:21is a possibility now and to take away
1:18:25from the many great things and
1:18:26significant things he said but say for
1:18:28ten years the company went into a small
1:18:30mountain village up on the arm and
1:18:33without any
1:18:36influence of the outside and became a
1:18:39global global force I think this is
1:18:41quite a quite a stunning achievement -
1:18:43and to have done that so Terry what we
1:18:49had the credible honor of having to
1:18:51Sasha Suzuki come to our conference in
1:18:531984 and that started a long
1:18:56relationship with my first philosophy -
1:18:58czeisler and I think the little short
1:19:01film you'll see later will explain some
1:19:02of those connections a little bit fuller
1:19:05but two years later we have the honor of
1:19:07publishing the original book which was
1:19:10the way of acting which is now being
1:19:12supplanted by cultures the body 30 years
1:19:16later thanks to all the fantastic worth
1:19:19of Cameron Steele just a short note
1:19:22about who we are where the air
1:19:23communications group were the National
1:19:26Organization for nonprofit theater in
1:19:27the United States our role is and
1:19:30nurtures support and celebrate the
1:19:32theatre form in America we do lots of
1:19:35regrading programs lots of convenings
1:19:37lots of resources for equity diversion
1:19:41inclusion work we also publish and
1:19:44that's where our connection with mr.
1:19:46Suzuki is here and so 30 years later
1:19:50we're so thrilled that we could bring
1:19:52out the book the way we wanted to bring
1:19:54it out so thank you thank you bye now at
1:19:57big of all sponsors
1:20:04oh yeah I'm agile - over rethrick I've
1:20:12little diamond voice parable because
1:20:14it's a deductible so he's going to be 78
1:20:18the fear he doesn't know if he's going
1:20:19to make it back to the US go
1:20:21thanks for having me

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