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0:00My perspective has changed a lot in the
0:01last few years where I've become more
0:02sympathetic to the I don't know what you
0:06I don't know what you would label your I
0:08don't even call ideology but just
0:09perspective of race consciousness sounds
0:13too is that too much I mean it's the
0:16reality of race maybe then you get into
0:19race realism okay right there I know
0:22there's no way to do I know it's just
0:23the whole thing so [ __ ] racist is
0:25probably the best term okay I I'm in a
0:27similar boat as you in
0:29that the terms because of the way uh
0:33these conversations go and certain
0:35factions involved closer to your end of
0:38the table every time a term comes and
0:40there's some goofs on there's some goofs
0:41on your end too. Oh yeah, but we don't
0:43pervert we don't pervert the
0:44terminology. You know what I'm saying?
0:46Like woke and DEI. Like DEI is just
0:48nword now. That's just the way Oh my
0:50god.
0:53Some of your takes some of your takes JJ
0:56McCulla level bad. Okay. Same. Although
0:59you would agree with it. You when JJ
1:01said Dave Chappelle is rightwing and I'm
1:03like please stop. Please.
1:06You would agree though, wouldn't you?
1:07That Dave Chappelle's right. No, I don't
1:09think that Deja Pel the trans folk and
1:11trans folks can be liberal. Um, okay.
1:14Deja Pel is Yeah, Deja Pelle is really
1:16just a trans phobe. I think Dea Pel's
1:17probably actually De's pretty black
1:19conscious. He's very black conscious. He
1:21talks about shooting heroin addicted
1:23white people all the time. It's
1:24hilarious.
1:26That was a pretty funny joke. Buck shot.
1:28Buck shot. Buck shot. Buck shot. That's
1:30a great He's a alltime great. I wish he
1:32would like get back to his roots, but um
1:35we're getting off topic. That's fair.
1:36Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the point of but you
1:38were trying to you were trying to we
1:40were bringing up the fact that the
1:40terminology is always being perverted.
1:42You were trying to get to the fact that
1:45you're more sympathetic to um race
1:47consciousness or Yeah. the idea of of of
1:50of treating everyone like a
1:53individual is I do still think it's an
1:55aspirational goal and like one
1:58that one that you one that we still
2:01should be striving towards like in this
2:04conversation. And I'm not really I'm not
2:05treating you as an avatar of black
2:06people. Like I have, you know, I've seen
2:08your videos. I you know, I have some at
2:10least limited understanding of who you
2:12are as a person and all that. And I'm so
2:14I'm leaning much more into that than
2:15just some stereotype of a black person.
2:17And I would think you wouldn't be
2:18talking to me if if it wasn't true the
2:20other way. I I don't I don't as I said
2:22before, I don't talk to white people
2:25that I don't have some insight into like
2:30more than once. You know what I'm
2:32saying? So, so, so practically, yes,
2:35color blindness
2:36is something that is a tool that we need
2:40to keep in our toolbox um and and move
2:42forward with. But, you know, it's just
2:44it just is the case where
2:46[Music]
2:48um you know, it's like it's the classic
2:52psychological rule is the more that you
2:55attack an a part of your identity, the
2:59more inclination you have
3:01to resonate with that identity. So, the
3:04example I always give is like gay
3:05people. It's like gay people are told
3:07from birth, oh, if you're gay, you're a
3:09satanic, degenerate, blah blah blah.
3:11It's like, okay, well then when they get
3:13older, they're like, "Well, [ __ ] it.
3:14We're going to get called satanic and
3:15degenerate all the time, so we'll lean
3:17into the aesthetic, you know, like the
3:19um Lil Nas and uh Sam Smith and all
3:21that." It's like, "Well, why why are
3:23they doing this deeply anti-Christian
3:24shit?" It's like cuz it's a giant [ __ ]
3:26you. It's also really cool looking.
3:29Uh Sam Smith and Okay. What's it called?
3:33Oh, I don't know. Sam Smith. Yeah, I
3:35think Sam Smith's has like a lot of cool
3:37visuals, right? I feel like I've
3:39beauties in the eye of the boulder. I
3:41don't know. Yeah, but my point is that
3:44may be my degenerate nature as well as a
3:46as a not at all queer person, but who's
3:48always had appreciation for queer
3:50imagery. Got a whole Beyonce video
3:52dropping probably by the end of this
3:54conversation. Nice. Um, but the point is
3:58the more your the more a certain part of
4:00your identity is attacked, the more the
4:01greater inclination you have to
4:03sympathize with it. And if I'm like,
4:04okay, I put okay, especially if you're a
4:06minority, you know, in a majority
4:08country. So for black people, there's a
4:10very practical element
4:12of it's just the nature of the
4:14demographics that there are less black
4:16people. So more almost all the time if
4:18you go into a room that's like a random
4:20distribution, you're going to be in the
4:21minority. Um, and it and you know, and
4:24then not even just the the identity of
4:28being attacked element, but like you
4:29know, if I'm in Dallas and I go into a
4:30bar and I see one other Bears fan, and
4:32this has happened, immediately we have a
4:34a connection that, you know, no one else
4:36in the room has just by virtue of being
4:38a minority. But the attack on the
4:39identity is a big thing. And for me,
4:42FD, there's a lot of anti-white racism
4:45nowadays.
4:47And I got to be honest, I I was talking
4:49to a friend who I don't know if she was
4:51in Ohio or had a friend in Ohio or
4:54something like that, but basically
4:56someone I think they were from India or
4:57something said something to the effect
4:59of, you know, there's too many white
5:01people in
5:02Ohio. And I'm like, "All right,
5:05look, nobody loves color blindness more
5:07than I do. Nobody loves Coleman Hughes.
5:09Nobody loves But I I felt I felt in me
5:12like, you're saying there's too many
5:13white people in Ohio. How about you shut
5:15the [ __ ] up?" Okay. Go go go go go. No,
5:18that's how I felt. That's how I felt.
5:19But did you though? Yeah. I felt it felt
5:22like it felt like now just because I'm
5:25angry I'm like well I should go to India
5:26and then go there's too many Indian
5:28people in Mumbai. It's like of all the
5:29of all the places where there should be
5:31a lot of white people. It's Ohio. Maybe
5:34Ohio. Not in like Cincinnati or Yeah.
5:37And then that's just one that was like
5:40the straw that broke camel's back of
5:42just that plus all of the [ __ ] DEI
5:45stuff. Mhm. Be less white. Whiteness is
5:48the devil. Whiteness is evil. You know,
5:51all that [ __ ] It's like that [ __ ] piles
5:54on. Does it? It I'm telling you it does
5:58on my psyche. I see it and I just go,
6:00"Dude, it's so tiring." Constantly,
6:02constantly, constantly. So So no, no,
6:05this is Well, I'm sorry. I I can cut you
6:07off, but it's No, but my just and my my
6:09broader point is you may not like the
6:12reasons for it, but that is part of why
6:14I'm sympathetic. I'm more sympathetic to
6:16like damn, you know, if if all of the
6:18you know, if all of the people who are
6:19in the most uh like uh neglected
6:23neighborhoods are all black, you could
6:26say, well, it's just poor. It's just
6:27poor is the problem. Which again, I in
6:30on paper and in practice, I believe is
6:32true. Like black people are
6:33disproportionately poor. So programs
6:35that are dedicated just to poor people
6:37will disproportionately benefit black
6:38people. But you can't strip the element
6:40of like there are people in the inner
6:42city in Chicago who have been
6:44impoverished
6:45since you know Yeah. forever and and to
6:49Chicago started well you know I can tell
6:52you the history as to when forever
6:54actually starts. Sure. Sure. Well
6:55there's there's many different aspects
6:57but my broader point is what do you
6:59think of because this is definitely an
7:01emerging trend. I think the Shiloh
7:02Hendris situation, which I I know you
7:04haven't looked into much, but that was
7:05the white lady who called the black
7:06child the n-word. That whole I did a
7:08video on it. I basically pointed out
7:09this is a very malformed and, you know,
7:14disease-ridden psychological reaction to
7:17a real phenomenon, which is like, you
7:19know, at a certain point as white, have
7:22you I was going to I have heard of
7:23black. I was going to ask your opinion
7:24on this fatigue. again because like I I
7:26said before we got on, I have avoided
7:29online race discourse because, you know,
7:32I'm going to get it back in there
7:33eventually. It's particularly it's a
7:34very healthy normal. It's not healthy at
7:36all. It's this is mostly just going in
7:38circles. Um because, you know, because I
7:41don't think we're willing to name the
7:43thing. And so that's kind of what I want
7:44to I want to drill down. Like my
7:46curiosity lies in what
7:53um what what does anti-white racism or
7:57anti-whiteness feel like from your
7:59standpoint? Feel like? Yeah. What does
8:01it feel like? What do you what are you
8:02afraid of? What what is the pain point?
8:05Right. And I'm not let me say this and
8:07I'm not doing this for the Impression
8:09Olympics because like there's I love the
8:11Impression Olympics. I refuse to do it
8:13now on your channel right now. Right.
8:15But if like so a perfect example, my son
8:19is uh plays soccer for a local inner
8:22city soccer team, right? And inner city
8:25in Atlanta means predominantly white. Um
8:28now like believe it or not. Um so he is
8:32one of he's this his soccer team in
8:34general is maybe 5 to 10% black kids,
8:38which means he'll be one of two to three
8:39black kids on his team if he's lucky.
8:42the other day a white kid um during
8:46tryyouts did finger guns at him and said
8:50pew pew pew I'm blacker than you and my
8:52son because he's my son said don't talk
8:55to me like that you don't know me or
8:57else and this thankfully didn't call
8:59based response based response right and
9:02the reason why he had that response
9:03because I taught him very early on that
9:05he's going to encounter that type of
9:07like activity whenever he enters into a
9:10white space which as you pointed earlier
9:12is going to be a lot of his life. A lot
9:15of his life he's going to be entering
9:16into white spaces and encountering white
9:19people who I don't think this
9:23boy like this is kind of we talk about
9:25like racism. I've said in other videos
9:27that it's not about racism being evil.
9:29It's about it being like functional. So
9:32like I don't think this little boy was
9:34trying to be mean. I don't think he was
9:36trying to be racist as it's often
9:39discussed. I think he just does not know
9:42how to talk to black people because
9:44where would he learn that under the
9:46circumstances? He does not know what
9:47will come offensive because where would
9:49he learn that, right? Um so but that
9:53encounter
9:55um is a is a uh is an existential threat
9:59to my son if I don't one address him and
10:03let him know how to engage with that and
10:04two depending on how it goes with this
10:06team address a coach or an organizer and
10:09say hey there are boys on this team that
10:11are microaggressing against my son
10:13making it a hostile environment for him
10:16right and so like some of these terms
10:18hostile environment I get by the Yeah,
10:20you want the word microaggression is a
10:22microaggression towards me because it
10:24triggers me. I do hate the term, but you
10:26know what I'm talking about.
10:27Again, I get your lot of reasons why the
10:30terms get cooked. I'm not an identity
10:32politics guy. I I I understand the value
10:36of identity politics, but I know that
10:37identity politics are very much cooked.
10:40So, we Yes. for for not quite aligned
10:43reasons, I think agree on this, which is
10:45one of the reasons why it's good to talk
10:46about it. But I'm I'm asking this
10:48because the point I'm trying to get at
10:51is other forms of racism carry very
10:55explicit
10:56um like material and existential threats
11:00to racial minorities in America. Not to
11:02say that you shouldn't feel away when
11:05someone makes it an anti-white joke or
11:07an anti-white comment in your presence,
11:09but I do want to dig into like what is
11:12the emotional psychological
11:15uh response? What is that rooted in for
11:18not just you, but for the what clearly
11:22is, at least online, a growing
11:24population of white people who do not
11:26think they're
11:27racist for this black fatigue uh thing.
11:32So, you know,
11:34I mean, it just I I don't know. It feels
11:38there's too many white people in Ohio,
11:40it's like what do you mean too many?
11:42Like that's like it's a bad thing. So,
11:44were they serious? Being white is a bad
11:46thing. No. Yeah. I mean, again, I And to
11:49be clear, this is I'm hearing this
11:51secondhand. Got you. But I But but yes,
11:54he said or she she said that whoever the
11:57guy said it was like unironically
12:00there's too many white people in Ohio.
12:02So So which is by which I'm just I'm I'm
12:04using that one example, but stuff like
12:05that. No, you see that all online all
12:08the time. There are no consequences for
12:11making jokes about white people. There
12:14are no consequences. Sure. I Yeah. And
12:16I'm not even separate on Twitch if I say
12:18cracker, right? I want to do a I want to
12:20do a white racial tier list. White
12:23racial slur tier list. By the way, I
12:25think that would be funny. Um I I will
12:28not be a part of it, but I watch it and
12:30comment. I'm going to clip that you
12:31saying that at the beginning of the
12:32video. I will not be part of it anyway.
12:35But but why do you think that in what
12:37what do you think drove here's here's my
12:39here's where I'm getting at. What do you
12:41think drove that Indian woman to say
12:43that under the circumstances? Like what
12:45was behind that? That white people are
12:48generally bad and therefore it would be
12:50better if there was less of them. It's
12:52the same thing that causes white people
12:53to say black fatigue. It's white
12:54fatigue. White people, they're
12:56oppressive. They, you know, they they're
12:58they're ignorant. They're dumb. All this
13:01different, you know, stuff. It'd be
13:02better if there were less of them.
13:07You're laughing at my You're laughing at
13:09my racial trauma.
13:13So, so I think that's uncharitable, but
13:16maybe not inaccurate. I think a more
13:19accurate uh charitable way to frame that
13:21is this is a a racial minority in a
13:25highly uh polarized um minority space
13:28for her that is
13:32um like reasonably fearful or reasonably
13:36tired of how that racial minority status
13:39affects her day-to-day life. and thus
13:42maybe in in a moment of carelessness
13:46uh or um callousness made a comment
13:50reflecting that status. Okay, hold on.
13:52So that is a possibility. I would point
13:55out what you're doing is you are you are
13:58default making the best case scenario
14:00for that which is fair. It could be
14:01true. I don't know this person, right?
14:04Would you acknowledge that it is just as
14:06likely that she just she maybe she's
14:08rich h is completely you
14:12know in in all practical
14:14senses certainly way has a much higher
14:17status all things considered than like
14:18your average poor Ohio white person
14:21who's you know uh and she just doesn't
14:24like white people like you acknowledge
14:26that there's a large number of people
14:28like that minorities non-whites who have
14:31that attitude
14:34So, and it's not it's not rooted in any
14:35like, well, it's because they're
14:37justifiably have white fatigue. So,
14:39let's let's let's take justifiably out.
14:42Okay. Is that I feel like that's it,
14:44right? And I don't know if I want to get
14:48into a a justifiable bigotry
14:50conversation at all, ever. Sure. Um, but
14:54because then we'd have to talk about
14:55Italians and don't get me started on
14:57that. I thought I thought No, you're
14:59Irish. I'm a I'm a I'm a mut. I'm Irish.
15:02I'm I'm not Italian. I'm Irish. You had
15:04a really good job Italians. Um Yeah.
15:07Yeah. That's right. In the documents
15:08you're talking about. Correct. But uh so
15:11like yes, I I I can admit that and
15:15recognize that there is a a a realm
15:17where so bigotry so like any any halfway
15:21decent race identity politics scholar
15:24will often use the somewhat toothless
15:28copout that anybody can be bigoted,
15:31right? Um which is true. Which is true.
15:34Which is true. Well, it's it's it's the
15:36reason why that often gets
15:39um a that statement is often taken
15:42poorly is because it's used to deny the
15:47concept of anti-white racism because
15:49racism is inherently structural. Whereas
15:52bigotry is insert a number of things
15:56that people feel and believe about
15:57people who are different. Sure. Yeah.
15:59Right.
16:00So, like if you're asking me if she can
16:01be bigoted and that was rooted in
16:03bigotry. Yes. And I don't approve of
16:07bigotry. Um I don't I I I you've never
16:11you've never heard me make like really
16:13lazy cracker jokes in my videos. I'd
16:16laugh if you did for the record. They're
16:18funny. They are funny. Right. Racism.
16:21That was a joke. That was I think I made
16:23that joke in the video is that to be
16:25white is
16:27uh to be white means that racism is
16:29always funny and and that's kind of the
16:32thing that that I'm that I'm all right.
16:34Well
16:36well okay well to counter your
16:37definition though it's I you know I and
16:40certainly and I you know I'm
16:42articulating my perspective here. I I'm
16:43I'm semi trying to
16:46like also articulate the of like the
16:49people who do go down more the like no
16:51no no you know we're whites got to stick
16:53together now. It's like that is that
16:55that
16:56is forever a stupid position. Mhm. But
17:00but I believe in the way that you
17:03dismantle the calls for white unity is
17:06to this has always been my point. Rob
17:08them of their valid talking points,
17:10right? like this and this is why I'm
17:12very it's partly why I'm very I lean
17:14into like of course anti-white racism is
17:16real and I don't qualify it and if
17:18someone didn't know who I was they'd be
17:20like oh I don't is this guy like a white
17:22yeah is he a white supremacist or what
17:23not and it's like no I'm but I'm
17:26unabashedly taking the true things that
17:28I've seen in my own life I see
17:29everywhere and robbing it from them so
17:33then I can in the same breath just as
17:35confidently be like yeah and the calls
17:38for like white European solidarity guys.
17:40It's like, have you seen the history of
17:41Europe? We killed the [ __ ] out of each
17:42other. This isn't like an the the people
17:45who say uh coexistence is impossible or
17:47whatever or like black fatigue. It's
17:49like the amount the real quick just on
17:52this example, the one that shows up
17:53always on Twitter is it's uh it's fights
17:55at the airport. It's like there's a
17:56fight at the airport. Look who it is.
17:58It's black people. It's like I this is
18:00my go-to example all the time. It's like
18:02I am a Southwest A-list preferred
18:04member. Okay. I've gone through the
18:05airport dozens and dozens of time.
18:07Thousands upon thousands of people.
18:09thousands of them being black. Not once
18:12ever in any circumstance have I seen
18:14anything like that. And if I were to
18:16base my views off Twitter, be like, "Oh,
18:18you can't go to the airport in Dallas or
18:20whatever." Right. It's like a dangerous
18:22place. Yeah. Exactly. It's like not even
18:24once have I encountered that. And it's
18:26just like it's and so all these nut jobs
18:29existence is or coexistence is
18:31impossible. It's like it's insane. But
18:33in order to properly address them and
18:35properly rob them of whatever sentiment
18:37is pushing people towards their
18:39perspective is be like, "Yes, of course
18:41the people who say, "Yeah, there's too
18:43many white people in Ohio." Like, that's
18:44[ __ ] ridiculous. And it's just and
18:46and it's it's it's just it's a feelings
18:48thing, you know? It's a vibes thing. And
18:49and like to be told there's too many of
18:51people that look like me in Ohio. Mhm.
18:55Not that it would be better like, you
18:56know, anywhere else, but it's just like
18:59it's not it's not it's not, you know,
19:01New York City. Yeah. But I mean even
19:02that's my point. Even then it would be
19:04bad, but like Ohio it's even worse. Come
19:06meet it. So yeah. So So like in in in
19:10many ways I think your overall framework
19:13and logic is reasonable. The thing I
19:16think we fight on, the thing that I
19:18think people who would judge me from my
19:22appearance here would question is the
19:26internal mechanism of why anti-wright
19:30racism is a a salient point within those
19:35spaces, right? And the the challenge
19:39becomes and and I don't have a really
19:41good I don't have I don't have like I'm
19:43developing my analysis on this beyond
19:45just simple you know the obvious beyond
19:48simple I'm trying to develop an analysis
19:50beyond the simple critical race theory
19:53beyond critical race theory analysis
19:55right critical race analysis and this is
19:57not to undermine the framework of how
19:59that is that is understood but I also
20:01know that just doesn't have any legs in
20:04actually engaging with white people,
20:07right? I want to put a pin in that.
20:09Well, continue your point. Um, so I do
20:12want to put a pin in that though cuz cuz
20:14my question would be like to this to
20:17this person within in this experience
20:20is what about their white? So, like, do
20:24could we maybe could we create a
20:26standard where
20:28um racial minorities in
20:31America were held to account for
20:35um anti-white jokes and anti-white
20:38sentiment. But even that, it's not about
20:41It's not about holding anyone to
20:42account. Mhm. I don't care about this
20:44person. They're irrelevant. Mhm. It's
20:46just it's just that I would like that
20:48sentiment to not be normalized. Now, you
20:51could say the only way to do that is by
20:52holding people who do it to account. And
20:54I don't necessarily think that. I I
20:56think it's just it's like uh you can you
20:59can you can destroy memes. Memes can be
21:02what? Destroyed simply
21:04by reducing the
21:08um social value around it. And it's not
21:11through stigmatization, but it's just
21:12like it's like pronoun jokes, you know,
21:15like what are you going to identify as
21:16an attack helicopter? It's like even
21:18though that was very preient, I would
21:19just point out 1015 years ago. It's like
21:22if someone makes that joke, it's like
21:24even it's like that's the dumbest thing,
21:25you know? It's like it's not like well
21:27we need to hold people who make those
21:27jokes to a cone. It's just like it just
21:30it's not interesting. So I think we
21:31agree on this then. It's kind of like
21:34how do we so so there's a reason why and
21:37and I kind this is where I'm I'm trying
21:40to like develop grounded theory with you
21:43right now. Yeah. There's a re going back
21:45to the example of my son. There's a
21:47reason why I've taught my son how to
21:50respond to, you know, microaggressions
21:52or whatever term we want to use, uh,
21:54insensitive racial jokes in his
21:56environment. And it's
21:58because though in in that situation,
22:01those jokes are precursors to actual
22:04material and existential harm. And in
22:07this woman situation, that's not the
22:09case. Now, that doesn't make it okay,
22:12per se, right? It doesn't make it a um
22:16it it doesn't make it an optimal way to
22:19engage in racial um discourse or trying
22:21to figure out addressing racial uh
22:24problems in America. But the the the
22:28problem I often have with even
22:30entertaining anti-white racism
22:34is the very premise puts them on the
22:38same playing field. And in doing and and
22:41even and even like um and even like
22:44adopting that premise, I've already
22:46seated a ton of really important like
22:50ideological uh and just interpersonal
22:52talking points, let alone realities. And
22:55so not that that not that that like
22:58that's in and of itself is a
23:00problem. I kind of lost where I was
23:02going uh with the follow up there. I
23:04have well because this is exactly so
23:06this is my this is my question is
23:10like I'm I'm get because because you and
23:12I are having this conversation which is
23:15not like you said not necessarily not
23:16the norm. I'm I'm certainly the furthest
23:18right person you've talked
23:19to, which is hilarious by the way
23:22because you would you you should you
23:24should meet someone. I talked to Sitch
23:26and Adam and I understand like you're I
23:28remember I think I told this story. I
23:30used to be like the type of guy to like
23:32argue with white supremacists online all
23:34the time like once upon a time. So like
23:37this is this is familiar.
23:40That's fair. Well, white supremacists
23:42are not the best that the whites have to
23:44offer. Okay. The whites have plenty
23:45great to offer. All right. Bo Burnham,
23:47Jreg. Um, but uh that's sad that those
23:51were my first two. Not Jreg. Jreg was
23:53that was good. But um wait, hold on. My
23:55my point
23:58is what is your goal with I mean what
24:01this is just a broad like what is the
24:04goal with when it for you cuz you're a
24:08very significant influencer when it
24:09comes to discussing these
24:11issues because like you said you don't
24:13want to if you're going to compare
24:14anti-white racism to anti-black racism
24:16let's say if you if you even use the
24:18same labels you're putting them on the
24:19same playing field which has its costs
24:22real real whether I disagree with them
24:24or not like the costs are there. The
24:28question though
24:29is looking at it from a consequentialist
24:32a more consequentialist perspective of
24:34like all right just what is the what is
24:35the what is the practical reality of of
24:37us discussing it? It's like do you want
24:41white people to become more white
24:43conscious or not? Like would it be good
24:45if white people were more like no no no
24:48actually like white is right and all
24:50that [ __ ] because I would argue that's
24:52not great right and part of whether
24:55whether how do I say
24:58this whether within the framework that
25:00you are operating
25:02in your analysis of anti-white racism
25:06not being as real as anti-black racism
25:08is logically coherent correct in
25:11different ways
25:13is from a pure like practical the way
25:17that you discuss it. The way that for
25:18example a white white person is going to
25:20interact with your a far less tolerant
25:22white person than me, you know, who's
25:23far more sensitive. Um there cuz you
25:26obviously have to know. There's plenty
25:27of people who come across and just say,
25:29"Oh, this guy's a racist." Comment
25:30section every time I venture into the
25:33moderately rightwing. Yeah. They're like
25:35a [ __ ] racist or whatever. FD's FD
25:37hates white people when the same and
25:39vice and by the clearly vice versa.
25:41There'll be people from your further
25:43neck of the woods who say the same about
25:44me, right? But we're both enlightened
25:46centrists. No, but actually, no, that's
25:47the but that's the kind of the thing.
25:49I'm not an enlightened centrist. I saw
25:50you try to sneak that in. No, no, no,
25:51no. I I am. A true a true enlightened
25:54centrist would deny their enlightened
25:55centrist. That's FYI. I'm inclined to
25:57the utility of enlightened centism for
26:00the communist um utopia that I one day
26:04will see in my lifetime. Listen,
26:06communists have some good ideas. Um
26:08Markx has some good ideas. Markx has
26:10some good ideas. Look at that. We're
26:11almost We're halfway there. Um, [ __ ]
26:13But no, like you said, something that
26:15hit something I really wanted to speak
26:16on and I lost it for the [ __ ] joke.
26:19Um, I run I run into that problem often.
26:21Uh, practical. Do you want to be right?
26:23Do you want to win? There are white
26:24people who will hear you and say this
26:26guy's racist and then be turned off. So,
26:29when you're considering how you're So,
26:31and this kind of ties back to the whole
26:35conversation. People in in your comment
26:38section, your conversation's evolved a
26:40little bit. It's gotten better. You
26:40could as you also Yeah. And to be clear,
26:42my comment section is made up of Destiny
26:45fans, Andrew Wilson, Christian
26:47nationalist fans, your It's like a very
26:49It's weird. I have the weirdest I'm
26:51going to do a video psychoanalyzing my
26:53audience because I'm looking forward to
26:54that. It's complicated. Yeah. Um, so
26:56your Christian nationalist sympathizer
26:59fans, Yeah. which we can talk about
27:00after this, but we we'll get to that.
27:02They're going to call me racist
27:05because
27:08I like they're going to call me racist
27:10based off of me saying like cracker
27:12earlier, right? They're going to call me
27:14racist because I believe that whiteness
27:17is intrinsically tied to racism in
27:19America. things like that based off of
27:22like and based off of the most mundane
27:26like things that a basic college
27:29sociology 101 class is going to teach
27:32everyone in the classroom, right? My
27:34fans will call you racist. Not
27:36specifically, no, here's a better way to
27:38put it. They're going to call me racist
27:41because some of the things I say are
27:44directly are going to be can be
27:46perceived as directly offensive to a
27:47white person. If a white person had the
27:50same racial sensitivity as a non-white
27:52person had it, that's usually what it's
27:54based on. Yeah. Or didn't have the
27:56didn't understand the framework that
27:57like when you use the word whiteness or
28:00like racism and bigotry. Like I I
28:02understand in your framework you you
28:04differentiating racism and bigotry,
28:05which is partly
28:07why well I that's why I can have the
28:09dialogue cuz you it's I don't believe
28:11you hate white people. I don't believe
28:12you are because you wouldn't be having
28:14this conversation with me if you did.
28:15Right. And so so in that sense, yeah,
28:18when I hear anti-white racism is not
28:20real, I can understand that. And so
28:22there in lies the difference, right?
28:25Um like one of the critiques I often get
28:28when I enter into, you know, out of exit
28:30out of my bubble to engage with white
28:31people is that that I essentialize
28:34whiteness, thus I do what racists do.
28:38Yeah. It's like when you told uh Not so
28:40ariodite on the Bridges podcast, you're
28:42like, "If you were any more white, I
28:44wouldn't like you." It's like that is
28:46you understand how white people would
28:47perceive that. It's exactly like, "Hey
28:48FD, if you were a little bit more like I
28:50can talk to you, FD, but if you're a
28:51little bit more black, I don't know if
28:53we can have this conver." Yeah. Right.
28:54And so, and so that so I I can because
28:57there's no consequences, right? I can
29:00play in that I can play in that edgy
29:02framework and there's really no
29:03consequences for it from my particular
29:05standpoint. But and so the the the more
29:09Christian nationalist, you know, white
29:11uh agrievance, black fatigue types,
29:14that's really what they're calling me
29:16racist for is for kind of playing into
29:20the the the the black privilege of being
29:23edgy around race and not losing a
29:26sponsorship uh a support for it. When my
29:30audience calls you racist, though, it's
29:33not because of insert edgy black joke,
29:37right? It's not even really because of
29:39like the the Daniel Penny um verdict uh
29:43conversation. is because what they
29:45recognize is that your general
29:48standpoint, even if you don't have an
29:50intrinsic hatred or negative opinion
29:53toward black people, the space in which
29:56your politics um occupy end up feeding
30:00into a greater um uh momentum for racist
30:05ideology and policy. And and that's like
30:07whatever Christian nationalism is
30:09because I I I don't know enough about it
30:11to to call myself an expert or even
30:14knowledgeable. But I know that they will
30:16they will give lip service. Fuentes will
30:18give lip service and say I don't hate
30:20black people. I don't hate Jews, etc.,
30:23etc. I just think only white only white
30:26people should be have American
30:28citizenship and yada yada yada yada. And
30:31that pulls from a history of that of
30:34double speak around race. um under white
30:37supremacy that which black people do as
30:40well. But we've never done it with
30:42institutional power. Thus, it's
30:44basically just again jokes. It's memes.
30:47It's me. Okay. So, you see what I'm
30:48saying? But this is my point about And
30:50we've never done it like at the level of
30:53saturation. Like Umar is a meme among
30:56black people. I know. I love Umar, don't
30:58you? Everybody loves Umar because he's
30:59funny. He's [ __ ] up. Did I stutter?
31:02Right. You hold on. What's the line he
31:04always repeats? I always see that he
31:06repeats all his lines. Yeah. Um but like
31:10Umar is a meme and Donald Trump is the
31:12president. You know what I'm saying?
31:13Like Elon Musk was one of the most
31:15powerful people in our government up
31:17until a month ago. Who's But he's
31:19African. So he's he's an aparthide South
31:22African. He's Dutch. Sure. He's
31:23different. You kind of get the I get
31:25this. Yes. I understand this. Now this
31:28is this and this is how I see things
31:30again. Meme adoption curve. I'm looking
31:33at things I'm looking at things
31:36of okay it you know things are happening
31:39right now that are in the meme phase.
31:41Christian nationalism is is also a meme
31:43like there's the the self the political
31:46power of people who selfidentify as
31:47Christian nationalist is is non not
31:50non-existent but very small right now.
31:52Okay. Now you could say that it's ideas
31:54run through MAGA. Like, sure. But my
31:56point
31:57is, looking down the line, if the
32:01argument is, well, anti-white racism is,
32:05I don't know, more understandable or not
32:06as bad as anti-black racism or whatever,
32:09if that continues to be justified. Mhm.
32:13and things like the [ __ ] heroin
32:16crisis and opioid crisis continues to
32:18like kill poor white people and all that
32:19[ __ ] you are going to create the
32:21conditions where it's like, okay, at a
32:22certain point now and there are like
32:24there are again I'm I'm wealthy white,
32:27right? I have white privilege in the
32:29sense of class privilege. Mhm. There are
32:32many poor whites in in this country and
32:34like if we had an economic crisis that
32:35like wiped out even more people at the
32:37bottom, then we're talking crazy [ __ ]
32:40Like we're at a point where co co k k k
32:43k k k k k k k k k k k k k k k k killed
32:43way more white people than anyone else.
32:45Um sure killed like people of color but
32:49like not as much as it should have
32:52because of uh the right-wing inclination
32:55against vaccines and masking etc.
32:59I'm pretty sure pretty sure uh the uh by
33:01and large the black community is not the
33:02most um in favor of government sponsored
33:06medical interventions that have not been
33:07tried out. You'd be s you I think you'd
33:09be surprised. I think surprised how
33:11again that is the meme of of hoteps and
33:14and Umar versus okay but even but even
33:18that but go ahead but go ahead but even
33:19that it's like robbing the Umar of their
33:21talking about it's like the Tuskegee
33:22experiments were real you know and it's
33:25like there's crazy [ __ ] um but but it's
33:28lax I'm sorry go ahead but the point
33:32the I am worried I genuinely believe the
33:36white identitarianism is growing and you
33:39say,
33:40"Well, the problem with or the reason
33:43that anti-white I don't take anti-white
33:45I don't take anti-white racism to be on
33:47the same level as anti-black racism is
33:48because right now it's just a meme. It's
33:49not has institutional power." It's like,
33:51but the memes precede institutional
33:53power. Mhm.
33:56And you know, it's just like if
34:01I if it got to the And first
34:04off, this just goes to show you how bad
34:06of a white identitarian I am. Like I
34:08would dispute that there is no
34:10institutional power. It's like all the
34:11DEI programs and the the corporations
34:14that brag about paying non-whites more
34:17than whites in order to boost their
34:18numbers. That's that's the definition of
34:21systemic racism. It's also [ __ ]
34:23It's not [ __ ] It's No, it's No,
34:25it's not [ __ ]
34:27Microsoft bragged about this in their
34:30quarterly reports. I was part of a
34:31corporation. That's not DEI though. You
34:33see what I'm saying? That is so okay
34:36maybe not not by your definition but
34:37that is what they call DEI diversity
34:39equity inclusion quotas are illegal FD
34:42but goals are not you can say I want a
34:45goal of hiring 50%
34:47non-white which is and you can pay
34:49people more to do that I was part of
34:51companies I will not say the name cuz I
34:53I was offered to be involved in some
34:55lawsuits and I'm like I got bigger fish
34:57to fry. Um it's like that's systemic
35:02racism against white people. It just is
35:04by definition. So in the tech space, let
35:06me let me get this. Let me make sure I
35:08understand this. You're saying, and this
35:09is my first time, not just in the tech
35:11space, like corporate America. There are
35:14corp You're telling me there are
35:15corporate
35:17American institutions,
35:20businesses
35:21that paid their black or their non
35:25nonwhite. They're non-white men or
35:28they're non-white.
35:30Certainly they're non-whites. I don't
35:32know if for example in the case of
35:33Microsoft they differentiated it by mail
35:34and they probably did but the they they
35:36they said they pay non-whites 7% more
35:40than their white employees if you
35:41average their salary out and then
35:42bragged about that as if that's a good
35:44thing.
35:45So so so I I'd have to I'd have to
35:48investigate that's fine. Uh the I've
35:51been known to spread misinformation. So
35:53don't take what I have to say. So I
35:56would have to agree that those are
35:58probably extremely rare considering the
36:01grand considering the grand scope of
36:04corporate America, you think that the
36:07non-white uh employees on average are
36:10getting paid than their white
36:12counterparts. Okay. Cuz we haven't even
36:14got one thing you haven't said is for
36:15the same job, which I really want to
36:17know the details on. Um but go ahead.
36:21It is abs. This is indisputable. This is
36:24indisputable. Now from this is
36:27indisputable given what I've seen. Now
36:29again take it for what it's with a grain
36:31of salt. See this is the type of stuff
36:32that we need that I but it is
36:34indisputable that if if you are if you
36:36are entering the job market now and
36:39corporate America doesn't mean like rich
36:40people like there are many middle class
36:41jobs in corporate America like I believe
36:4260 60% of jobs are from are from
36:45corporations not small businesses so
36:47like most jobs
36:50okay I if if you are entering the job
36:53market it is absolutely the case that
36:55assuming two people with same
36:58educational background same ability
37:01ities. You know, it is overwhelmingly to
37:05your advantage to be a minority of any
37:08kind, to be a woman, to be gay, to be
37:11black or whatever. The the the the most
37:13disadvantaged thing you can be in the
37:15age of DEI is straight white male. Now,
37:18you now that that is indisputable. What
37:21I would entertain as a real argument is
37:24we need to do that to push back against
37:26the old boys club type mentality. And I
37:28will tell you again, also having been in
37:30these corporations, the old boys club is
37:32real. I've I've I won't repeat stories
37:34I've heard, but I know people who have
37:37been in upper boardrooms who've talked
37:40about crazy [ __ ] And so, and you could
37:43make the case, okay, maybe we needed
37:45some level of kind of forced course
37:48correction, but now we're at a point
37:50where that's gone. And it's it's a
37:52generational thing. So, here's here's
37:55for for the boomers, maybe for the Gen Z
37:56and the millennial. This is why the Gen
37:58Z's, all the white, the kids are so
38:00[ __ ] racist. It's like, bro, I'm not
38:02in that old boy's room. I don't have a
38:03job. I don't have a house. I don't have
38:05a chance of raising a family. You're
38:07holding me accountable for the sins of
38:09these old rich white men who are not my
38:12allies by any stretch of the
38:13imagination. And the whole system's
38:14[ __ ] On top of all the [ __ ] of
38:16just DEI is just dumb as [ __ ] in
38:17general. So here, so we're there's a
38:20couple things. Yeah. Like those Gen Z
38:22Jenz consciousness are is is [ __ ] on a
38:25lot of levels. Partially because of what
38:27you're speaking to, partially
38:29because of like the failure of DEI
38:33identity politics stuff.
38:37Um, so I want to challenge that the
38:39claim of the most disadvantaged thing
38:42you can be is a straight white male,
38:44right? So from in getting a job in
38:48coming out of college like your standard
38:49college degree corporate job if if you
38:53are holding harmless the structure of
38:56the job market and
38:59considering you know as as a from an
39:02individual level right as a just another
39:06white guy with a degree
39:08from such and such state university
39:11Whites University Whites University
39:13which is 85% of them, right? Which is a
39:17point I'm which is kind of a point I'm
39:18about to get at. Um if you're if you're
39:20just another 22 year old white guy from
39:22White University in in Kentucky
39:26um and you're applying for a job and
39:28you're going up against um Mary Sue, who
39:32is a uh Filipino child of an immigrant
39:37um who is literally one of one,
39:41right? Sure. She was literally who's
39:43literally one of one like in that
39:45application pool literally one of one
39:48one of one by on one narrow view of
39:52identity right but that that white
39:54person is one of I'm one of listen
39:56there's no one like I'm saying from from
39:57your standpoint you're also one of one
39:59right so I get the logic that her one of
40:03one under the circumstances from this
40:05specific um uh what's the word not uh
40:11scenario
40:12Uh I get the logic that says that you're
40:14at a
40:15disadvantage. The the challenge is one
40:19the real the reality of the results do
40:22not speak to that. Every other company
40:25in the world every so many of these
40:27companies are constantly complaining
40:29that they cannot find minor qualified
40:33correct candidates. So like you can't be
40:35both you can't be both disadvantaged but
40:39also they cannot find um you know like
40:44they can't find enough yes people that
40:46are clearly advantaged over you. Okay.
40:47Okay. Can I just give you the specific
40:49because it's dead relevant. I was part
40:52of the DEI program design team for the
40:54corporation I worked at. They talked
40:56about all the tells you how [ __ ] DEI
40:58is. Yeah. Ex Oh, don't get me started.
41:02But go ahead. They said we need to
41:04increase our non-black or non-white uh
41:08portion of employees. Right. Right. Like
41:10explicitly they showed a chart of the
41:12county we were incorporated in and then
41:14the racial demographic and said we need
41:15to make these two numbers match. That
41:16was the the extent of the thought that
41:18was put into it which is ridiculous
41:19because we were a national
41:20incorporation. So the county we happen
41:21to be incorporated in. Whatever. The
41:23point was they're like okay how do we do
41:25this? Well, we should change our uh
41:29applications to make it gender neutral
41:31or whatever and race, you know, so there
41:33are no trigger words in it. Okay, fine.
41:35If we're going to interview, if we're
41:37going to hire a black person, we should
41:39have a person of color interview them.
41:41That's what they said. Isn't a white
41:42He's a white B. I Okay, now I said I
41:45brought up Hey, hey, lady. So, you're
41:49saying if we're going to interview a
41:51black person, we need a non-black person
41:54to interview them. Doesn't matter if
41:55they're black, just as long as they're
41:56not white. And I brought up, hey, you
41:59might very clearly run into the issue of
42:02tokenizing. Hey, we're interviewing a
42:04black candidate. Here's our one black
42:06manager coming over to interview you.
42:08It's like, it's ridiculous. But but
42:09that's just one specific thing, which by
42:11the way, that ended up I found out
42:13months later that that exact situation
42:15happened where a black manager got
42:17pissed off because he was brought in to
42:19interview and it's like what? I'm just a
42:21[ __ ] token. So once again, PF Young's
42:23vibes based analysis predicted it 6
42:25months in ahead. But hold on. That's
42:27true. Here's here's the real issue
42:29though. I and I brought this up and no
42:31one gave a [ __ ] because they don't
42:32actually care about making a difference.
42:35Hey guys, is the issue that our hiring
42:38practices are racist? I don't believe
42:39so. Just nonsense. I was on a majority
42:42minority team every time I was in that
42:44corporation. Mhm.
42:46The issue is not our we can't find black
42:50candidates cuz we're so racist we turn
42:51them off. The issue is that the because
42:54of systemic racism, which is real, the
42:57pool of qualified black candidates to
42:59begin with is disproportionately small
43:03for the population size that we're
43:04trying to go after. So, how about
43:06instead of doing all these stupid
43:08[ __ ] DEI programs where we pay a
43:10consultant $50,000 to give a lecture on
43:12how to be less racist, let's take every
43:15dollar of that and give it to community
43:17activists who, for example, train
43:19underprivileged youth on how to use
43:21Microsoft Excel, which is like the most
43:23basic corporate tool that every
43:25corporation could use. And guess what?
43:27Nobody gave a [ __ ] because it wasn't
43:29about actually solving the problem. It
43:31was about looking like they care. And
43:34all the DEI [ __ ] in corporations is 100%
43:36that. And until I hear this is what we
43:39agree, we agree. And my and so my point
43:41and so until I hear a justification from
43:44some DEI consultant for why we should
43:46give them $150,000 a year instead of
43:51$150,000 to community activists already
43:54doing [ __ ] to address the fundamental
43:56underlying problems. The entire thing is
43:58[ __ ] [ __ ] And all of the
43:59justifications around it, systemic
44:01racism, blah blah blah. It's like
44:03do incorporations. Yeah. So I have I
44:07have um without giving So stop defending
44:11DEI. DEI is not the end. DEI is
44:13[ __ ] I've always like I've never
44:15been a DEI fan for that very reason
44:17because I've seen it like there's I want
44:19to Yeah, but your your philosophical
44:22worldview created it. Kimberly Krenshaw
44:24created it.
44:26Yeah.
44:26explicitly critical race theory created
44:29the framework for what DEI and like
44:32inclusion and stuff. Sure. Liberals
44:33hijacked it. There you go. Yeah. But the
44:36under Yeah. Yeah. But the underlying
44:38creation is entirely a product of
44:40postmodernism is valid though. The
44:42underlying logic is valid. The problem
44:44with the problem with all of the
44:45critical theory stuff is is that is the
44:48is the liberal hijacking. You should
44:50read um elite elite capture. Um, it's
44:53it's a very short, very straight to the
44:55point written by You should watch Joshua
44:57Cinderella. Do you know who Joshua
44:58Citerella is? No, I'm scared. He is the
45:00No, no, no. He's great. He's the future
45:02Joe Rogan of the left. He's a Marxist.
45:03He's a classic Marxist. Okay. He's
45:05interviewed several professors of talk
45:08about this. Yes. VC Chibber. Is he
45:11right? Do you like VC?
45:13I Yes. Overall, I like VC.
45:17off recently is really valuable because
45:20leftists and liberals are at a
45:22crossroads where they're either going to
45:25get on board or they're going to destroy
45:28us or themselves, right? and V and I
45:30think it's VC or VC VC would say
45:33explicitly that the framework that
45:35Kimberly Krenshaw created whatever
45:37critical race theory postmodern
45:38contemporary fusion of politics whatever
45:39she said in that paper which is
45:41postmodern neo Marxism by the way but
45:42that's a separate issue but that
45:45framework is the one that is like
45:48justifying giving money to the DEI
45:50consultants because the goal is to fight
45:52power and racism wherever it manifests
45:54not at the root of the issue which is
45:55class and systemic racism and education
45:58it's just as valid to fight power and
46:00systemic racism within the confines of a
46:02corporation. And so VC would make that
46:04specific. I think he would and I would I
46:06would I would agree with him overall.
46:08The the and this is kind of the the
46:10place where we get into a a dangerous
46:13the danger of this whole
46:15conversation
46:17is where the margin stops in these
46:21critiques. Because my problem with VC is
46:25that he is correct in his analysis of
46:27how DEI sucks. and identity politics is
46:30co-opted and trash. But you still have
46:32to circle back to the fact that these
46:34things were created to address specific
46:37issues that are completely valid. And in
46:39any other situation when we come up with
46:42a solution for a problem that does not
46:43work, we don't hyper we don't like leave
46:47the problem intact um based on the
46:51inefficiency of the tool that we
46:52presented to it. And my criticism of
46:54that, my criticism of of even this the
46:56anti-white rate because like you're
46:58right about how anti-white racism and
46:59white identitarian politics is on the
47:02rise. But indulging the the myth of
47:06anti-w not the myth indulging the what's
47:09what's what I want to call
47:10it indulging the like
47:16narrative. A narrative can be true or
47:18false. Yeah. So indulging the narrative
47:20of anti-white racism. Thank you.
47:23um only gives more it only takes away
47:27energy from the realities of how you
47:29address racism and gives energy to the
47:32uh Christian nationalist people. You see
47:34what I'm saying? So like you have to
47:36fair enough. I would just I would say
47:38the exact opposite. And this is a it's
47:40not it's not a matter of debate at this
47:42point. It's just like my perception is
47:45that's how you rob them of their valid
47:46talking points. And so I don't think you
47:48do because the talking point, this is
47:51what it is. That's not a talking
47:55point. That's a smoke
47:58screen. You see what I'm saying? And
48:01like that is kind of why I can't roll
48:04with it. When I hear uh the the whole
48:07concept of Christian nationalism is the
48:10same. It's a repackaged oops, excuse me.
48:13is the whole concept of Christian
48:14nationalism is a re is repackaging of
48:17the same um white
48:19Judeo-Christian uh you know ideology and
48:22philosophies that you know created
48:25segregation and you know Jim Crow and
48:28slavery to begin with. You know what I'm
48:30saying? It's always been a smokeokc
48:32screen where we're just trying to
48:34protect this the the uh virtue of white
48:36women, right? Like literally damn near
48:4090% of all race riots in America's
48:43history start with the lie that a white
48:46woman was assaulted by a black man. Like
48:48go look that up. It's it's literally
48:50their greatest hit. And they and and by
48:52the time you've allowed that to um
48:56justate any amount of violence that
48:58happens after that is justified. And
49:03uh you don't then like fix that problem
49:06by saying, "Okay, we need to make sure
49:09that black men know not to touch or look
49:12at white women the wrong way." Cuz that
49:14was already well entrenched among black
49:17men at that time. It did not stop the
49:19problem from happening because the
49:20ultimate goal was not to protect white
49:22women. We know from American history and
49:25world history that white
49:28women not not necessarily the most
49:30protected class depending on where
49:32you're coming from, right? At least at
49:33least within y'all's spaces. Uh so we
49:38can't then give give power to that
49:40narrative because if we give power to
49:41that narrative, we might avoid a
49:44fraction of these incidents. They might
49:46have to make up a new lie, but the
49:48behavior that's the problem is still
49:49going to be going to persist. And and
49:51that's kind of my my struggle with like
49:54and and so what I'm really interested in
49:58is
50:01unearthing within
50:04those let's say your friend who probably
50:07would not consider themselves to be
50:08racially biased unearthing what allows
50:12that to be salient because there's a lot
50:14of white people that if you make in fact
50:16the majority of white people I would
50:17argue and you tell me if I'm wrong the
50:19majority of white people if make a white
50:21joke around them do not care. I hate
50:25when white people make white jokes. It
50:27is so cringe to me. You know what I'm
50:29saying? Jokes specifically is all
50:32intent. Hold on real quick because just
50:34to address that point cuz this is I
50:36suppose I'll put it I'll wrap up
50:40my analysis of the disagreement here.
50:43Mhm. Which is this is how I would phrase
50:45it.
50:47I would say the same thing to people who
50:50have your perspective as I would say to
50:52like the Charlie Kirks. Charlie Kirk
50:55loves to say you live in America, right?
50:57It's one of the best countries you
50:58should be patriotic. I'm like,
51:00Charlie, obviously to some degree I
51:03agree with you. And like some of the
51:04stats bear it out. The best the best
51:05place on average to be black is actually
51:07America. You know, it's fine any other
51:09country. Right. Right. Sure. But that's
51:11still a fact. There's plenty of, you
51:13know, well-off black people, so on and
51:15so forth. But it's like, Charlie, put
51:18yourself in the shoes of an inner city
51:20black kid, right? Who, you know, be
51:24patriotic, be patriotic. It's
51:27like, every politician that has ever,
51:30you know, uh, managed my city has
51:32neglected the [ __ ] out of me. And now
51:34I'm being told to be patriotic. When I
51:36see the American flag, I say, "Fuck
51:37that." Because that flag just, from my
51:39experience, represents [ __ ] It's
51:41like, okay, the saying, well, Charlie, I
51:46don't want to acknowledge that narrative
51:47because it feeds in the narrative that
51:48America's bad. America's bad, America's
51:50bad. We need to foster patriotism. I
51:52agree that in order to have a healthy
51:53society, you do need to have a generally
51:55positive attitude towards your country.
51:58I would say the way to foster that
52:01attitude is by acknowledging those pains
52:04and addressing them versus I don't want
52:07to feed into that anti-American talking
52:09points because a lot of that is mixed up
52:10with anti- you know America is just
52:12inherently racist to the core and needs
52:13to be burned down all that [ __ ] It's
52:14like I just think the best way to to
52:18destroy the the ideological rot on the
52:21other side of you, whoever you are, is
52:24to, you know, rob the nutrients that
52:26that rot is feeding on. And like there's
52:29a lot of [ __ ] systemic racism in
52:31black communities. Like that is
52:33systemic. Like the one we talked about
52:35was uh property taxes funding schools.
52:38[ __ ] Yeah. Literally the accumulation
52:40of wealth. Education should be the great
52:42equalizer. It's not. But the thing that
52:44I struggle with and I'm curious about is
52:47what are those pains though from a from
52:50a white standpoint? Like you mentioned
52:52being told Yeah. And there's too many
52:54[ __ ] white people. I'm struggling
52:56with that cuz like really my son just
52:59got racially profiled at his soccer
53:01triyouts. And so like and it sucks.
53:04Well, it sucks. But the the Do you
53:07believe See, this is the thing. This is
53:08why you This is why you
53:11how it you cause you cause a great Yeah.
53:13How would it you cause a great deal of
53:17um confusion in me because it's like
53:21either the reason that I am I'm able to
53:24engage with you is because I assume that
53:26you are like me in some fundamental way
53:28in terms of how we perceive the world
53:29and how we perceive people and all that.
53:32Obviously, there's differences, of
53:33course, there's differences between
53:34everybody and in some fundamental ways
53:35and you can go down any dimension of
53:37like what was your childhood trauma
53:38like, what was your relationship with
53:39your parent, whatever. There's all kinds
53:40of million different ways that affect
53:42how people are. But it's like I I don't
53:44believe that you do not understand like
53:46if you heard someone say a white kid say
53:50there's too many black people in
53:51Chicago. They're [ __ ] all over the
53:52place. They're doing all this [ __ ] You
53:54know, the Criml Crime, I got black.
53:57It doesn't matter. I understand that you
53:59have the framework that you do that that
54:00that is in the context of this, you
54:03know, oppressive system and all that.
54:04It's
54:05like how people who you don't need that
54:09framework to still feel like, man, when
54:11someone says there's too many white
54:12people and that white people are
54:14responsible for all the ills of the
54:15world and that it's, you know, it's like
54:17I've seen tweets that are like, you
54:18colonized our nation, now we're going to
54:20get yours, [ __ ] It's like, damn. Guess
54:22what? I know. It's It's hilarious. It's
54:24hilarious. And it is to the degree that
54:26us whites are not going to put up with
54:28it. It's like and that's kind of so that
54:30and there in lies the real struggle here
54:32which I but real quick just to that
54:33point. I believe that sentiment if I'm
54:35if you're told all the time like yo
54:36white people legitimately colonized the
54:38[ __ ] out of all your countries and it's
54:40really their responsibility for all
54:41these [ __ ] problems. I genuinely
54:43believe they're like no no I want less
54:45white people here. I want them gone. I
54:47want them out. Shut the [ __ ] up. It's
54:48like I can't I believe coexistence in
54:51that sense for those Yeah. that can't
54:53work anymore than the KKK and black
54:54people or whatever. It's just like it's
54:55[ __ ] ridiculous. The framework
54:58purpose and like ultimate goal of it is
55:02like you have to ground this in
55:03historical like reality and analysis.
55:06You said something earlier that I wanted
55:07to to to touch on. I had to write a note
55:09because I forgot it earlier. It was
55:11about the
55:12whole like what are the consequences of
55:15this and and and like historically what
55:18are the consequences because that's
55:20where you not just lose me. I hate the
55:23word historically by the way just so you
55:25know anytime says historically I'm like
55:26no let's look at the now. Okay let's
55:28look at the now. The now the now is
55:31steeped in the history. It's steepware
55:32everything that happened up until this
55:34point. True. So like right now
55:38um so recently uh Ibraham Troy and Bkina
55:43Fo couple years ago he expelled the
55:45French and he's become kind of a a hero
55:47in uh Africa for this Bkina Foe and in a
55:51lot of these states they control like I
55:54think like 80% of the world's gold or
55:56something you know serious like that um
55:58and for the last years they've been
56:02either colonized or neoc colonized by
56:04France, right? Um he kicks them all out
56:08and people cry reverse racism. It's like
56:09it's not reverse racism. You all have
56:12been have broke into our house a long
56:14time ago and refused to leave. Sure. Um
56:17right. And so like like that's the
56:21difference you you mentioned earlier um
56:24like white under like so the opioid so
56:26you know I used to work in behavioral
56:28health and one of the initiatives I had
56:31not just in school no in schools yes but
56:33also like I work for behavioral health
56:34organization in Georgia and we did rural
56:37behavioral health work specifically
56:38around drug uh substance abuse. So, we
56:41were going to Bumper Dump, Georgia um to
56:45talk to local organizers and local like
56:48health care workers about the op opioid
56:51crisis and meth was making a return at
56:54the time and like the lack of
56:57um you know the lack of like highspeed
57:00internet like Georgia still doesn't have
57:02highspeed internet throughout the state
57:04which is just [ __ ] ridiculous. Um, so
57:06like so many different things that are
57:08affecting those predominantly white
57:10people, predominantly poor white people
57:12in Bumpa Dump, Georgia. And while I was
57:15there, I felt intensely unsafe and told
57:18them, I will do this work from the
57:21office. If you want people to go out
57:22into the field, you will not be choosing
57:24me again. Right. Fine. Yeah. Totally. I
57:27I don't. And so there in lies the So the
57:30thing I'm trying to get at is that
57:33anti-white racism is not causing rural
57:36people in Georgia to suffer from these
57:41uh ailments. Structural inequality is.
57:45And if anything, correct on the
57:47dimension of class and structural
57:49equality and class, all these things,
57:50right, are are are doing that. And if
57:53anything, it's white supremacy that
57:57allows this particular group to or I
58:00should say it white supremacy is a tool
58:03utilized by the actual administrators of
58:05power in Georgia to maintain that
58:08inequality because those people still
58:11voted for Trump, still still voted for
58:13in this case like Stacy Abrams um who
58:16ran partially on giving highspeed
58:19internet to Georgia, voted against her
58:21twice. You know what I'm saying? Um
58:23because she was a a large black woman.
58:25Um Brian Kemp ran on literally one of
58:28his [ __ ] It can't be the only reason.
58:31It's it's literally like 60 60% of white
58:35people voted for John James in Michigan
58:38who was a black guy. It's like it's
58:39about the politics. John James, he was I
58:42just remember this example because when
58:44people bring that the only reason people
58:46vote and I'm guessing the only reason
58:47people didn't vote for Kamla is cuz Oh,
58:50that's a big reason. But that's also
58:51just like people didn't vote. I made two
58:53videos about it. I don't Yeah. Yeah. Um
58:55but like the the the ideology
58:59behind values in these spaces are
59:02intrinsically tied to the same ideology
59:04that activates with the anti-white
59:07racism talking point, racism talking
59:09point.
59:12And there there's a there's there's
59:14something more to understand and learn
59:17about what activates that instinct. I
59:20don't know yet. And uh I probably should
59:22know at least according to people that
59:24are that are that uh maybe know better.
59:27Um, but I don't trust well or not not
59:29it's not that I don't trust the the
59:32genuine um white identity uh frameworks
59:35that you get from Edward Benia Silva and
59:38the critical theorists is
59:42that they're they don't have enough
59:45utility or at least they don't have
59:47enough utility based on the the the
59:50state of knowledge right now and I don't
59:54think we get to that level of utility if
59:56we both can agree agree that we want to
59:59reduce white
1:00:00identitarianism. We want to reduce um
1:00:02white supremacist uh activity. Um we
1:00:06want to reduce the the uh utility of we
1:00:11want to reduce class um uh inequality.
1:00:14Yeah. Right. Wealth inequality. Yeah.
1:00:16And wealth inequality. If we can agree
1:00:18on all those
1:00:20things, I then ask you where
1:00:24does validating anti-white racism as a
1:00:27narrative fit into those things? Cuz I
1:00:29would argue that what it does, so does
1:00:32it rob them of their talking point?
1:00:34Possibly. But the way racism works, they
1:00:37just make up a new one. You know, Sure.
1:00:39Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. But to
1:00:41this point, Exactly. And maybe we can
1:00:44because I we'll wrap up here in like 15
1:00:4620 minutes.
1:00:50Um, how did you said how does it how
1:00:53does it contribute to that? You know,
1:00:55for example, this is the classic this is
1:00:57my enlightened centrist advice to the
1:00:59left, which is the most valuable
1:01:02advice, you assuming we live in a
1:01:05democracy, which we still do by all
1:01:07appearances, um although it's
1:01:09questionable. If it's questionable, we
1:01:10will continue. Uh well, I find
1:01:12questionable for different reasons, but
1:01:13either way, it's questionable
1:01:14potentially. My point is you need a
1:01:15majority of people to be on your side
1:01:17for certain things. Like there's just
1:01:18such practical things of
1:01:24like I don't know like I've become more
1:01:27sympathetic to universal healthcare. I'm
1:01:29not sold on it. I'm more sympathetic to
1:01:32it. Um I'm sympathetic to we certainly
1:01:35should be taxing capital gains at a
1:01:37higher rate. We should not be taxing
1:01:39labor more so than capital gains. And
1:01:42then there's entire ways to leverage
1:01:44risk where you have a bunch of assets.
1:01:46You have like a you know a bunch like
1:01:48$10 million. You don't you don't live
1:01:50off the interest. You take debt against
1:01:52it and then you don't pay taxes on your
1:01:53debt. There's all kinds of [ __ ]
1:01:54[ __ ] financial maneuver maneuvering
1:01:56and [ __ ] That's ridiculous. I'm against
1:01:58that. There are so many people on the
1:02:01populist right who would agree with
1:02:02that. And if if in some sense to create
1:02:05the coalition that is necessary to get
1:02:08the majority to pass these
1:02:11universally important things,
1:02:14universally recognized as important
1:02:16things, then it's worth it. It's like I
1:02:18I could I could very I have no I would I
1:02:21have no problem and would love to work
1:02:24with someone who literally says like I
1:02:25don't I don't [ __ ] with white people.
1:02:27[ __ ] whiteies. [ __ ] the crack. All that
1:02:29[ __ ] Like but are you for rank choice
1:02:31voting? Are you for uh taxing
1:02:35speculation or whatever? Capital gangs.
1:02:37Yeah. Yeah. Are you for because if you
1:02:39are I will c maybe we should canvas in
1:02:41different groups, but we'll still canvas
1:02:42at the same event or you know what I
1:02:43mean like that type of [ __ ] So and and
1:02:46you applying that to the right-wing
1:02:48populist too. Now of course it's like
1:02:49well but if is there a greater cost for
1:02:51a black person to be working with
1:02:52someone who's literally the member of
1:02:53the KKK? Yes. I'm not saying we should
1:02:55literal members of the KKK. I think you
1:02:57I think you Christian
1:03:00nationalist it's well to the point about
1:03:02terms not meaning what they mean it mean
1:03:04like there is the Christian uh there's
1:03:06the Nick Fuentes racist version of
1:03:09Christian nationalism there is in theory
1:03:11a more moderate form or at least one
1:03:15that again has points that I agree with
1:03:16just like I agree with Karl Mars on a
1:03:18lot of [ __ ] and I agree with what what
1:03:20we'll save that because I want to point
1:03:22well but that that that's that's the
1:03:24point of why Why am I tempted to say
1:03:28that? What is the point of robbing them
1:03:30of their valid talking points in order
1:03:31to get in order to create the coalition
1:03:35building necessary to address the the
1:03:37much deeper things that we agree on,
1:03:39which is wealth inequality regard
1:03:40anti-white racism, anti-black, black
1:03:42racism, one is bad, one is worse,
1:03:44whatever. Everyone agrees wealth
1:03:45inequality is a serious [ __ ] Not
1:03:46everyone, but intelligent people agree
1:03:48that wealth inequality is a serious
1:03:50problem. So, let's put it temporarily
1:03:51suspend the disagreement here. Mhm. To
1:03:53build the coalition to advance these
1:03:55interests. the so the the
1:03:59the the challenge there and then maybe
1:04:02this will lend lend itself to you
1:04:05explaining uh the valid elements of of
1:04:08Christian nationalism to me is
1:04:11that historically speaking
1:04:16um those moments of
1:04:20uh in critical theory they call them
1:04:21interest convergence right that is that
1:04:24that comes out of critical race theory.
1:04:26Um, there are moments historically where
1:04:30the needs and desires of black people
1:04:32for liberation and freedom in America
1:04:35happen to line up with the powers that
1:04:39be,
1:04:40right? Often it's because black
1:04:45people are uh showing an inclination
1:04:49towards radical action. Right? The one
1:04:51of the my favorite stories to talk about
1:04:53is the I have a dream speech and how
1:04:56that speech was never supposed to happen
1:04:58and it only happened because that march
1:05:02which was not organized by MLK
1:05:05um was being spoken about as being much
1:05:08bigger and much more
1:05:10rowdy. And um MLK was working already
1:05:15with JFK. JFK I think Lynon Lyn John
1:05:20said this there were already there was I
1:05:22think he had started work with JFK I
1:05:24think before I I may be [ __ ] up this
1:05:25history I apologize and then Israel took
1:05:27out him no I'm just kidding I don't
1:05:28believe that for the record I don't
1:05:29believe what we'll come back to that I
1:05:32don't I'm safer for you than me that's
1:05:35fine um but the point I'm trying to get
1:05:37at is that uh it was a well it was
1:05:40understood in the development of that um
1:05:43that uh march that black folks were were
1:05:46not coming to be peaceful like to to be
1:05:49for civil they were not coming with
1:05:50civil disobedience. They were coming
1:05:52with disruption in mind. Um the the
1:05:54speech from Malcolm X about it was that
1:05:56like they were planning on shutting down
1:05:58businesses, clogging up streets, laying
1:06:00down on uh airplane runways until
1:06:05something happened. And so uh
1:06:09uh uh Linda B. Johnson or somebody
1:06:12literally called Martin Luther King and
1:06:16had him essentially clout his way into
1:06:18being a part of the march with with
1:06:22promises of finally getting a bill
1:06:24through and tamping down the more
1:06:27radical uh um uh you know disruptive
1:06:32energy that the march is coming from.
1:06:35So the but so interest convergence, we
1:06:38get this great speech and the civil
1:06:40rights bill is signed a year later. I
1:06:43don't know. I don't remember the I don't
1:06:44remember the difference, but signed soon
1:06:45after. Um and what people don't talk
1:06:49about is that in the aftermath of that
1:06:51speech, the whenever you talk about
1:06:53Martin Luther King, whatever whatever
1:06:54most liberals and moderates and
1:06:56definitely conservatives talk about
1:06:57Martin Luther King, it's that speech and
1:06:59like literally they imagine he was shot
1:07:00the next day, right? And what really
1:07:02happened is that for the next three or
1:07:04four years, King was like, "This is some
1:07:06bullshit." Yeah. He went left
1:07:07economically. "This is some [ __ ]
1:07:09This this is a bad deal. Y'all suckered
1:07:11me into this." And y'all y'all y'all re
1:07:14reigged on the the the value of this
1:07:18almost immediately. And so, and so the
1:07:20FBI killed him. And so the FBI killed
1:07:22him, right? And so kind of so the the
1:07:26while the logic you're
1:07:28presenting on face value makes
1:07:31sense from the standpoint of of black
1:07:34folks. History tells me that if I be
1:07:37like you know what anti-racism is bad.
1:07:39We should let's can we stop saying
1:07:41cracker y'all so they'll feel better and
1:07:43then we can get rank choice voting. Like
1:07:45as soon like once that happens, rank
1:07:48choice voting will [ __ ] around and be
1:07:49four white nationalists, three Christian
1:07:52nationalists, two Republicans, one
1:07:54Democrat, and Bernie Sanders corpse. You
1:07:56know what I'm
1:07:57saying? And so like that's fair. Look,
1:08:00I'm not even I'm not even saying that
1:08:02you should, By the way, historically,
1:08:04just to point out, they did kill Martin
1:08:06Luther King as he moved economically
1:08:07left because wealth inequality is a real
1:08:08problem. They got he got to the root of
1:08:10the issue. Malcolm X stay they killed
1:08:13because or they allowed him to get
1:08:14killed because it was the NOI that
1:08:15killed him that they lowkey set the NOI
1:08:18up. It's it's the Yeah, they knew they
1:08:19had all the tapes. Okay. Yeah. But point
1:08:21is they certainly wanted Malcolm X. The
1:08:23FBI wanted Malcolm to die and he died
1:08:26and he was moving in the direction of
1:08:29let's build a more color more color I
1:08:32don't say color blind because it clearly
1:08:33wasn't but certainly more multi-racial
1:08:35coalition. Same with Fred Hampton. The
1:08:38rainbow coalition was literally Fred
1:08:39Hampton's best example. So that's more
1:08:41my point is yes, you're correct
1:08:43historically that like aligning with
1:08:45like the civil the civil rights thing we
1:08:48we need what we need to do is
1:08:49investigate what the meetings between
1:08:52the Panthers, the Young Lords, what was
1:08:55the white group or was the white group
1:08:56the Young Lords. I I just know it was a
1:08:58Rainbow Coalition as it was three it was
1:09:00specifically three main groups though.
1:09:02was a Latino group and a white group and
1:09:06one of them was named the the Young
1:09:07Lords, but
1:09:10um but that so cuz cuz like and and and
1:09:15this may be a flaw in in my perception.
1:09:18I hear the Rainbow Coalition and I
1:09:21admire
1:09:22uh I admire its intention and I the Fred
1:09:26Hampton in me is the reason why I'm
1:09:28here, right? because I feel like there's
1:09:31value and utility in building coalition
1:09:34with mo generally like-minded white
1:09:36people, but at least white people and
1:09:38minimable to co, right? White-minded
1:09:41like like-minded white people for you,
1:09:42those are boring. Boring, lame. They're
1:09:45they're lame. I've had those
1:09:46conversations before. I miss I miss
1:09:48these challenging scary moments. Yeah,
1:09:51hardcore right-wingers such as myself
1:09:52are far more interesting. But I do
1:09:54wonder what that conversation was
1:09:56because he he was co he built coalition
1:09:58with not just white people. Those were
1:10:00poor white people. Those were PW.
1:10:03But I don't there's no documentation.
1:10:04Well, there's no documentation that I'm
1:10:06aware of. I need to do more study. That
1:10:07may be something I I I get into at a
1:10:10certain point. Is what did that
1:10:12conversation look like? Because it's not
1:10:13like racism is any uh any worse today
1:10:17than it was in 1960 in the early 60s,
1:10:20right? Like Robin D'Angelo would say
1:10:22it's worse. a white DI consultant, by
1:10:24the way, but no real person would not
1:10:26say that. Um, but at least the overt
1:10:29stuff. Um, so how did that conversation
1:10:32go? Was there, you know, I I do know
1:10:34there were moments
1:10:36where there were there's a story about
1:10:39like there being a conversation about,
1:10:41hey, like essentially some
1:10:43microaggression [ __ ] but they solved it
1:10:46um communityally. They solved it
1:10:48effectively. But there's also, ever
1:10:49since Hampton, there's been constant um
1:10:52bickering between like black anarchist,
1:10:54black leftists, and white leftists.
1:10:56There's a reason why so much of my
1:10:58career is built upon helping to build a
1:11:01black online leftist content space. Um
1:11:04because there was no representation, but
1:11:06I don't know. Explain to me why I should
1:11:08remain friends with you after this
1:11:10Christian nationalist [ __ ] What do you
1:11:12think? Wait, hold on. What what what
1:11:14specifically are you So I've had
1:11:16multiple people some white. No, actually
1:11:18all white.
1:11:20You should be suspicious. I mean, I'm
1:11:22already suspicious. I'm I'm always
1:11:24suspicious of Sounds like feds are
1:11:26getting people with a lot of tweets that
1:11:28critique me um with no like responses to
1:11:32their tweets. Like you can always see
1:11:34one, I can always see people how many
1:11:35times they've commented on my content.
1:11:37And then when I find myself being talked
1:11:40about on Twitter and I see you have like
1:11:42a hundred thousand tweets and I look
1:11:44through your tweets and like there's
1:11:45like zero interaction, but you it's you
1:11:48reposting. Yeah, you're probably a bot
1:11:49at that point, you know? Or by or a
1:11:51human bot, right? Um but that is a
1:11:54critique, you know. I'm not above
1:11:56critique, right? And so,
1:12:00uh I do want I do want to have an under
1:12:03I do want to better understand this if
1:12:05this has to become a private email.
1:12:07What? What? Yeah. Well, what are you
1:12:08referring? What do you What do you said?
1:12:09People came up to you or Well, I've had
1:12:11multiple people I've had multiple people
1:12:13say, you know, this guy is sympathetic
1:12:15to Christian nationalism, which you just
1:12:16basically admitted. So, I need you to
1:12:18explain yourself. Sure. To the same
1:12:19sense I'm sympathetic to like communism
1:12:22or the most most I'm Look, I'm What are
1:12:24those things in it though? Like what is
1:12:26the Christian? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and
1:12:28I mean this is a philosophical
1:12:30conversation that Right. Philosophically
1:12:33speaking,
1:12:34the the broadest underlying ethos I
1:12:38agree with is that um the United States
1:12:41or Western civilization or whatever you
1:12:43want to call it is fundamentally rooted
1:12:46in what are Christian values. The
1:12:51principle that whether or not it was
1:12:53acted out at the time, the the one that
1:12:55I think you and I agree with, which is
1:12:56that in some sense all people are
1:12:59created equal before are you? You're not
1:13:01Christian, are you? No. No. I grew up
1:13:03Muslim and I'm best described as being
1:13:05agnostic. Okay. Okay. So, but you're not
1:13:08like hard you're not hardcore atheist or
1:13:10anything. I'm not a hardcore atheist.
1:13:11No. I think hardcore atheism is kind of
1:13:12stupid. I agree. I agree. It's cringe.
1:13:14Um the reason it's cringe is because
1:13:16like the idea that all men are created
1:13:19equal and and the genuine commitment to
1:13:22that, which I would say historically we
1:13:24failed, you know, to live up to quite a
1:13:26bit. But like you know you like I I
1:13:29treat you as someone of having the same
1:13:32intrinsic value as me or anyone else or
1:13:34whatnot. It's like that's a that's a
1:13:37Christian presupposition. Mhm. Which is
1:13:40like different from for example Hinduism
1:13:42which has a cast system which is
1:13:43explicitly like some people are better
1:13:45than others. Now, I've been told that
1:13:46the extent of the cast system was
1:13:49amplified by the colonial British, which
1:13:51I don't doubt for a moment given what I
1:13:53know of what the colonial British did in
1:13:55like the Middle East, for example,
1:13:56right? Um, but but it's the same. It's
1:13:59sort of like the critical race theory
1:14:00thing. It's like the framework is still
1:14:01there. It's it's it's within Hinduism
1:14:02cast system. Okay. So I would say that
1:14:04like the you know the general
1:14:06egalitarian ethos and the idea of you
1:14:10know um the genuine exchange of truth
1:14:14this is a very comp I'm not I'm not
1:14:16saying this to convince anyone. I'm just
1:14:17saying is to explicate my view is like
1:14:19that that is rooted in Christian
1:14:20Christianity. The idea that Jesus is
1:14:22associated with the logos which is like
1:14:25the root of logic like word
1:14:27communication which I would say in what
1:14:30you and I are doing is genuinely
1:14:32exchanging ideas to the best of our
1:14:34ability in the most honest way we can.
1:14:36Right? That ethos is rooted in a
1:14:39Christian framework. Now, you could very
1:14:40easily point out here's all the [ __ ]
1:14:43ways in which Christianity [ __ ] things
1:14:44up, justified slavery, all these
1:14:46different things, but it's
1:14:48like it's sort of the ev I make this
1:14:51analogy from an evolutionary point of
1:14:52view. It's
1:14:54like human beings and chimpanzees came
1:14:57from the same ancestor, whatever, six,
1:14:59seven million years or I don't know,
1:15:00great something. Yeah. Whatever our
1:15:02whatever Yeah. Whatever our common
1:15:03ancestor is. You could say so if
1:15:05Christianity is down here as our last
1:15:07common ancestor it would it's accurate
1:15:10to say humans came from that right and
1:15:12pointing out well chimpanzees also came
1:15:14from that doesn't change the fact that
1:15:17yes a different thing came from that
1:15:19common ancestor but so did humans and I
1:15:22would say like the positive elements of
1:15:24western civilization the commitment to
1:15:26egalitarianism equality under the law
1:15:28stuff like that you know exchange of the
1:15:30free exchange of ideas that does emerge
1:15:32historically Here I am talking about
1:15:35historically important. Yeah. From the
1:15:37Christian enlightenment perspective,
1:15:39there was just a professor on Joshua
1:15:40Cerella again who I think you would
1:15:42actually like a lot. Uh Joshua
1:15:43Cinderella on his podcast, a professor
1:15:45made the same point. So the so going
1:15:47back to the can I be sympathetic to
1:15:50different ideas and different
1:15:51ideologies. It's like yes, absolutely.
1:15:54Even the most most extreme like
1:15:56anti-white racism, it's like Malcolm X.
1:15:59I always It always comes back to Malcolm
1:16:01X. It's like, could I sympathize with
1:16:03Malcolm X after his family was literally
1:16:06[ __ ] killed, his dad was killed by
1:16:08the KKK, the the state came in and tried
1:16:11to turn them all against each other,
1:16:13witnessed all kinds of sick, twisted
1:16:14degeneracy in white in rich white
1:16:16communities, which by the way continues
1:16:17continues to this day. Um, it's like, of
1:16:21course, I'm sympathetic to
1:16:23that. And so, you know, I'm willing to
1:16:26have conversations with Christian
1:16:27nationalists to the degree that they're
1:16:28like, we're going to stone gay people.
1:16:30Like, [ __ ] you. I'll never go along with
1:16:32that. [ __ ] like that. Criminalizing
1:16:34sodomy. It's like that's insane. Yeah.
1:16:36And that's kind of the thing is that
1:16:37blasphemy, censoring free speech. It's
1:16:39like I'm for free speech, you know? Like
1:16:41I'm a commit I'm committed to that. And
1:16:42the Christian nationalists are for
1:16:44blasphemy laws. [ __ ] that. If you're
1:16:46going to say I can't criticize Jesus cuz
1:16:48he's an alcoholic virgin or whatever.
1:16:50It's like [ __ ] that. That's ridiculous.
1:16:52He's So here's So So whoever told you
1:16:56I'm sympathetic to Christian nationalism
1:16:57is a [ __ ] hater.
1:16:59So I think I but well sorry but they're
1:17:02correct but they also so there so well
1:17:05that happened for spec one specific
1:17:07reason which is you know as I've emerged
1:17:09as I I'm I'm really out of my depth um
1:17:14and that's something I'm I'm coming to
1:17:16terms with recently like hating a
1:17:18million uh and being like a minimal
1:17:23familiar inspired by black radical
1:17:25politics comes with the responsibility
1:17:27to
1:17:29um kind of be a avatar, especially at
1:17:32the level of visibility I have. And um
1:17:36I'm not a good enough avatar. I'm just
1:17:38not. Um and so there are some people,
1:17:41especially highly online people, who
1:17:45their only real interest in me is for me
1:17:47to be an avatar or be an avatar for
1:17:49what's wrong. Thus, they can make their
1:17:51critique tweets and [ __ ] right? Um, so
1:17:54like I was not really like bothered by
1:17:57the actual criticism, but I knew I
1:17:59needed to address it because the the
1:18:02genuine critique of what you just
1:18:05presented is that from a pragmatic
1:18:09sense, and I think we're both
1:18:11pragmatists, from a pragmatic
1:18:13sense, there the only good thing that
1:18:17can come out of you being as uh gracious
1:18:20to Christian nationalism as you are is
1:18:22that maybe some Christian nationalist
1:18:24will pop up in your in your chats and be
1:18:27like, "Oh, I guess maybe we shouldn't
1:18:30stone gay people." You know what I'm
1:18:31saying? And that's and there's a value
1:18:33to that, right? Which cuz to your point,
1:18:35they don't have institutional power now,
1:18:36the stoning gay people type. But like,
1:18:38but they're much closer than me and Uma.
1:18:41You know what I'm saying? Sure. Fine.
1:18:43Fine. But but meme adoption curve. Like
1:18:45it's a meme now, but like power power
1:18:47follows that eventually. Um but this
1:18:50does give validity to the common
1:18:54critique of centrist which is like for
1:18:57you right and for like you know there's
1:19:00always weird there's I don't know the
1:19:01Jesse Lee Petersons of the world right
1:19:02which I I still am not sure if he's real
1:19:05you know he may have been the first AI
1:19:07he's the I think he's the only channel I
1:19:09watch every every video that he drops.
1:19:12Wow.
1:19:15Um, but like there's like or or Candace
1:19:17Owens to an extent, which I don't think
1:19:19I don't think Candace Owens Candace is a
1:19:22Christian nationalist for sure, right?
1:19:23She's a Christian nationalist, right?
1:19:25Candace and Tucker Carlson. And I don't
1:19:27think she's a true believer, though, is
1:19:28what I'm saying. Yeah, she seems like a
1:19:31grifter. Yeah, I think uh which one is
1:19:34Tucker Carlson?
1:19:36Uh, white guy who does the fake laugh.
1:19:38Fake laugh. Um, bow tie for a while.
1:19:40Yes, bow tie. Okay. Yeah. So Carlson's a
1:19:43true believer. Yeah. I don't think
1:19:45Fuentes is a true believer. Um Yeah. I
1:19:48don't know what his Yeah. But I would
1:19:50say that most of the true
1:19:53believers generally speaking are bad.
1:19:57They may have an underlying like like So
1:19:59let's let's flip it around. Let's let's
1:20:01let me let me give a bone to somebody
1:20:03some folks in the comments section.
1:20:04Please. Um I get a lot of woke Dr. Umar
1:20:09uh accusations, right, from them or that
1:20:12you're that from I get from from people
1:20:16who don't know and don't like Dr. Umar.
1:20:19You know what I'm saying? So my critics
1:20:20they say you're the same thing. Yeah. My
1:20:22critics from the right I should say crit
1:20:25say I'm woke Dr. Umar because Dr. Umar's
1:20:28philosophy is um much more right-wing.
1:20:32It's a it's built out of Garveyism. Um,
1:20:35which is the kind of the origin point
1:20:37for a lot of Malcolm X's early beliefs.
1:20:38And although Garvey has a lot of great
1:20:41things about him as as it pertains to
1:20:42black identity, much of his ideology was
1:20:46white rightwing. Pan Africanism was
1:20:48Marcus Garvey, right? Paffanism. Yes.
1:20:50No. And that's kind of like Well, watch
1:20:52I've made a video. All right. All right.
1:20:54Um, it's complicated though. Which, by
1:20:56the way, when you make your Fred Hampton
1:20:57video on the Rainbow Coalition and you
1:20:59create a mimetic seismic shock that
1:21:01ripples through the left, uniting the
1:21:03class left and and therefore indirectly
1:21:06allows legislation to be passed, not
1:21:08validating, furthers the fight against
1:21:10wealth inequality in a material way,
1:21:11advancing the material interests of the
1:21:12proletariat, that will be a great day,
1:21:15but that's a separate issue.
1:21:17Oh god, now I can't do it. All right,
1:21:20we'll cut that out. We'll cut that out
1:21:21just to give you just so I don't give
1:21:22you credit. No, I'm just I'm just
1:21:24joking. up. But no, so like I get a lot
1:21:26of um woke Dr. Umar accusations, right?
1:21:29Yeah. And that's
1:21:30because um me and Dr. Umar both come
1:21:35we're both cut from similar cloths um in
1:21:38terms of like the there's uh
1:21:43pan-Africanism is an explicitly leftist
1:21:45ideology but pan-Africanism as it's been
1:21:48practiced as it's been understood in
1:21:49America for the last 50 60 years at
1:21:52least my entire lifetime has not been
1:21:54leftist it's been kind of like cultural
1:21:57nationalism they call them pork chop
1:21:58nationalists um there's some weird you
1:22:02know uh weird like you know the meme of
1:22:06what hotels are. Yeah. Yeah. Is is also
1:22:08directly connected to like the legacy of
1:22:10how pan Africanism was destroyed. Um so
1:22:13we would have came up in similar like uh
1:22:16spaces and we both pull from the the
1:22:19good stuff that a Garvey or a
1:22:22Malcolm presented in their in their um
1:22:26ideology and politics and philosophy.
1:22:28And so I will give credit to Garvey. I
1:22:32will give credit to Malcolm and I will
1:22:34give credit to Umar in as much as he is
1:22:38correct on certain things. One thing
1:22:40Umar and me completely agree on is the
1:22:42education system as how it treats black
1:22:44boys. But then he goes Sure. over
1:22:46overprescribes them with ADD and
1:22:48medication and [ __ ] like that. Right.
1:22:50Right. Well, so he said among among
1:22:52among many things Yes. Yeah. Stuff like
1:22:54Yes. But then he goes on to say ADHD
1:22:56just isn't real. Oh yeah. And that's
1:22:59caused by gay people and Oh, yeah.
1:23:00That's right. That's right. Yes. You
1:23:02know what I'm saying? I remember that
1:23:03one out. Yeah. And so,
1:23:07right. And so, like maybe that's where
1:23:09you are with um Christian Nashville,
1:23:12etc. Yeah. The challenge you're going to
1:23:15have to step up to is how how do you
1:23:19better
1:23:21differentiate what you see as valuable
1:23:23Christian uh Christian values and how
1:23:27that's valuable for building a cohesive
1:23:29nation with a specific manifestation of
1:23:33Christianity that outside of purporting
1:23:37to like
1:23:38Christianity basically is just all
1:23:40awfulness and [ __ ] Yeah. As far as
1:23:42I know. I no I 100% you know and so
1:23:44that's kind of where like if I were to
1:23:47ever have and I think what what what
1:23:48people would challenge me with is you've
1:23:50had a number of Christian nationalists
1:23:52on the show right or talk to them
1:23:54publicly. Yeah. I mean yeah I've talked
1:23:56to one who's like a like a legitimate
1:23:58writer of a book that like an
1:23:59intellectual and then Andrew Wilson who
1:24:01I've known from for for a while. We
1:24:04started our YouTube channels around the
1:24:05same time who's he's he's a big
1:24:07Christian nationalist influencer. Right.
1:24:09So like if I were to ever talk to
1:24:13Umar and this is it'd be antagonistic.
1:24:16It would probably end up well Umar I
1:24:18think just I don't think Umar would well
1:24:20yeah yeah but as someone like an Umar
1:24:21someone like but if I were to talk to
1:24:26uh because I have to hold other
1:24:29criticisms people had me like talking to
1:24:30like the black manosphere right when I
1:24:33talk to people in the black manosphere
1:24:35it's clear disagreement but it's not
1:24:37antagonistic. And so the question, the
1:24:41challenge you're gonna have to to hold
1:24:43stepped up to is how are you
1:24:46illustrating those disagreements even
1:24:49among the audience that you want to like
1:24:52the reason why I was an antagonist to
1:24:54black man people when I was in their
1:24:56presence is because I know at the end of
1:24:57the day I want those people in the
1:24:59audience to um take seriously the
1:25:03standpoint I was presenting in the
1:25:05moment. And if I come in there and I
1:25:06fuss and fight Yeah. Yeah. It's really
1:25:08just, you know, it shows that Exactly.
1:25:11It shows that you'd be more interested
1:25:12in like the optics of the conversation
1:25:14rather than discussing the ideas in of
1:25:16itself. Right. Genuine like exchange of
1:25:18ideas like this as opposed to debate.
1:25:21Debate is kind of in my opinion a form
1:25:23of like a I don't say cowardice, it's
1:25:26defense mechanism, right? Because if I
1:25:27can just immediately go in debate mode,
1:25:29I don't have to contend with your ideas
1:25:30like in a genuine sense. I can just
1:25:32constantly use a few rhetorical
1:25:33flourishes to put put you at odds. But
1:25:35if it's like, hey, we're actually
1:25:37exchanging ideas. I get your point.
1:25:38Well, it's it's but also I'm cur I
1:25:41haven't watched any of your Christian
1:25:42nationalist conversations either. Um,
1:25:45that's fine. I mean, so it it it might
1:25:48maybe of interest, but I don't know. But
1:25:49I will point out the danger of the black
1:25:52manosphere and the danger of the
1:25:53Christian nationalists. Again, two very
1:25:56different um like outcome possible
1:26:00outcomes. You know, being a black woman
1:26:02stoning gay. There are many minority
1:26:04Christian Christian nationalists. My
1:26:07friend who is not a fan of you is a
1:26:10black uh Catholic Christian nationalist
1:26:13who is very right-wing and uh I love
1:26:16him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And uh and and so
1:26:20it's not just it's not it's not totally
1:26:22a there is white supremacist elements to
1:26:24it, but the one that I'm worried about
1:26:25is not it's more of the general bigotry.
1:26:28Yeah. Like towards gays and free speech
1:26:29and all that stuff. Nobody hates me more
1:26:32than black conservatives. It's really
1:26:33funny. I don't doubt it. You've said
1:26:35some wild stuff, but they're the only
1:26:37people I go completely mask off on.
1:26:38Anyone else I'm willing to hide my power
1:26:40level a little bit. The haircut, the
1:26:41amount of the amount that you go after
1:26:43because it's always funny and it's
1:26:44always [ __ ] true. It's and you know
1:26:46what it's vibes and and I would be lying
1:26:48if I didn't acknowledge the the power
1:26:50that those vibes based arguments have.
1:26:52Um, all right. I know we got to go and
1:26:54yeah, we got to wrap up. Go fight some
1:26:55people about this video. I see. So
1:26:58beautiful.

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