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0:00[Music]
0:03Restless I am so
0:07restless and this changing world is me
0:14speechless I am
0:21lost the blue pill is the Paradigm that
0:24most people live by that men have all
0:26the power that they've always had all
0:28the power that domestic violence is a
0:31problem that's committed by men against
0:33women only that sexual assaults are only
0:35committed by men against women that
0:37women don't make the same money for the
0:39same work as men the blue pill is just
0:42swallowing all that as though it's
0:50true welcome to the Fallen state I'm
0:53Jessie Peterson I am uh excited about
0:56this discussion as I am with all but
0:58especially this one because it's about
1:01men and families I have with me Cassie
1:05Jay an awardwinning documentary
1:07filmmaker her newest film is called the
1:11red peill it's an honor to have you here
1:14thank you it's an honor to be here the
1:16the documentary was um deep it it really
1:20showed was really going on with men and
1:22children and the mother of the children
1:24as well but I was surprised uh when you
1:27talked on the film about being a
1:30feminist and uh and how this whole film
1:33changed that for you why did you become
1:36a feminist or how did that happen to you
1:38uh so I just moved to Los Angeles to be
1:41in the film industry and I was pretty
1:43young I was naive I was 18 years old and
1:45KN New Town didn't know anyone in town
1:47and I noticed that all the roles that I
1:50was going out on auditions for were sexy
1:52girl number seven or the girl that gets
1:54killed in the first 10 minutes of the
1:55film and so I've died about eight times
1:58in movies I have a great scream
2:01and uh and so I was annoyed with the
2:04stereotyped casting I was I was getting
2:07and uh so I started to complain about is
2:10this because I'm a woman and how I'm
2:11being treated and also being hit on by
2:13producers and so when I would voice my
2:16uh well rant to my friends and family
2:19about being a woman they would say oh it
2:21sounds like you're a feminist so I
2:22looked it up and it said feminism is the
2:24belief in gender equality and I thought
2:26sign me up and that was that was about
2:28over 10 years ago so so what was it like
2:31living as a feminist well I it was also
2:35kind of the rise of social media at that
2:36time and I think social media really
2:39influenced and um kind of fed more into
2:44my um feminist ways because I was
2:47reading articles online about how women
2:49were being mistreated and uh and at the
2:53time when I when I started calling
2:54myself a feminist a lot of my friends um
2:56turn their nose up to the idea and the
2:58word but now since then a lot of my
3:02friends who were previously didn't like
3:03that I was feminist now are feminists um
3:06did you get to the point where you hated
3:08men while being a feminist at the time I
3:11didn't realize it but now looking back
3:13with what I know now after making the
3:15red pill I think I I easily male bashed
3:19without realizing it and was dismissive
3:21of their issues and just thought they're
3:23privileged they have nothing to complain
3:24about and and uh yeah so I think in that
3:27way it was a uh kind of hidden
3:30mail bashing explain to the folks what
3:32is the rare PE why did you name it that
3:35it's a it's a cultural slogan it comes
3:37from the movie The Matrix and within the
3:39movie uh this character Morpheus tells
3:42the lead character Neo that Neo is
3:44asleep he's going out in this world with
3:47this kind of ignorant Bliss and Morpheus
3:50says I will show you the truth if you
3:52take the red pill I will show you the
3:54harsh reality of the world we live in
3:56and you're not going to like it but it's
3:58reality and uh so that's where the red
4:00pill cultural slogan comes from as the
4:02Matrix but the men's Rights Movement
4:03started using the red pill term to
4:06describe their seeing the light about
4:09gender issues and that it's not all
4:10black and white The Miz Right Movement
4:14um what is their primary purpose do you
4:17know now that you've gone through this
4:19what is the primary focus uh what I
4:21would say their primary focus is trying
4:23to bring balance to a very unbalanced
4:27gender discussion because of feminism
4:29and a lot of mainstream media will
4:31attack the men's rights activists as
4:32being misogynistic they're hate group
4:35they hate women or they hate feminists
4:38which they do have a lot of criticisms
4:40about feminism they don't hate women I I
4:42did not find MRA as men's rights
4:44activists to outright hate women a lot
4:46of them are in relationships and have
4:48kids loving relationships uh but they do
4:51have criticisms about feminism because
4:53it's dominating the gender dialogue
4:55today I noticed that with the Man Group
4:57they call them hate groups but do they
5:00call the feminist groups hate group as
5:02well or just the men uh just the men's
5:05rights movement has been labeled a hate
5:07group but not accurately um it's been
5:10misreported a lot in the media that they
5:12they were named a hate Group by the
5:13Southern Poverty Law Center which they
5:15were not the Southern Property Law
5:17Center has been critical of the men's
5:19rights movement and wrote an article
5:20saying that they're on our watch list
5:22but they never outright labeled them a
5:24hate group yeah I was on their list at
5:25one time oh yeah they call me a hate
5:28group um Dr Michael Kimel of whom I had
5:31on my radio show said that if domestic
5:34violence come from men and women then
5:37it's not a gender issue what did you get
5:39from that uh when I interviewed him he
5:43said that men are not being abused in
5:45equal numbers that women are being
5:46abused by men but my research showed
5:50otherwise that that it's almost equal
5:52very close and uh but Michael Kimmel did
5:54mention in my film and we showed in the
5:56film that he says if if it were equal
5:58numbers then it wouldn't be a gender
6:00issue it would just be a societal issue
6:01like hunger it's genderless uh but
6:04currently with with feminism there is
6:06this idea that only or a vast majority
6:09of women are being abused by men but
6:11even the CDC reports that it's very
6:13close to almost the same amount of men
6:15that are abused what's interesting about
6:18women violence toward men is that they
6:21pass laws where men are not allowed to
6:23even defend themselves you know so the
6:26woman just go nuts beating him up and
6:28you know and he can't offend himself
6:30because he will end up in jail yes I
6:33mean even if he said no stop he'll go to
6:36jail because they would call that verbal
6:39violence or something like that yeah it
6:42and women do have
6:45a I I guess it's a privilege but I would
6:48say it's uh using the system for for bad
6:53rather than good but they they have the
6:55privilege to call the cops say they are
6:58feeling threatened by a man and the cops
7:01will take the man to jail and a man does
7:03not have that same uh
7:07ability I was assaulted several times
7:10you know and and I never got any help I
7:12went to the police still bleeding a
7:13couple of times um and one police
7:16officer
7:18said uh I I'll never forget this he said
7:21if she starts hitting you again you
7:23better get out of there fast because if
7:25she just breaks a fingernail trying to
7:26hit you we'll arrest you
7:30in the film you had you talked about a
7:32guy who had tried to get his son I
7:34believe maybe daughter but son and he
7:37ran out of money so he shot himself in
7:39the head he went up into the mountain
7:41and he killed himself mhm yeah that
7:43broke my that was like awful yeah and it
7:46happens all too often yeah a lot of men
7:48go through that over the last 26 years
7:50I've worked with men who have gone
7:52through divorces or unfortunately had
7:54children out of wet loock I know of a
7:56case right now where this man woman
7:59broke up they had a little child the
8:02woman uh they went to court and he had
8:0550/50 and she start threatened him to
8:08accuse him of sexual M molestation
8:10whenever he would get with his daughter
8:12so even though he had the right to see
8:14his daughter he don't bother with seeing
8:16them at all now because of that are you
8:19hearing about any that kind of stuff
8:21happening yeah false accusations is a
8:24real issue and and that's one thing that
8:26feminists tried to downplay like oh it's
8:281% but it's not because false
8:31accusations don't always go to court so
8:33it's not always on the books but uh but
8:35women can hold that over men's head and
8:38and falsely accuse him of one of uh the
8:41fathers that I interviewed he was
8:43falsely accused of child pornography for
8:45taking a photo of his son with um it was
8:49a Mr Potato Head the little pieces like
8:51the ears and hands and all that it was
8:53on his face and he was like four years
8:54old but he took a photo of of his son
8:57with with the Mr Potato Head pieces on
8:58him and the his ex-wife took the photo
9:02to the police and said this is child
9:05pornography uh but the biggest problem
9:08with false accusations is that there's
9:09no accountability for women or people
9:12who make false accusations and and
9:14that's the problem why is it like that I
9:16mean why has it just gone one side like
9:19that I think it's because uh we have
9:22lived in a culture for so long that we
9:25need we believe we need to protect women
9:27and that uh a lot of people don't think
9:29or even when I started making the red
9:31pill I didn't think what woman would
9:33just falsely accuse a guy of beating her
9:35if he didn't or raping her I just
9:38thought that that's insane that anyone
9:40would do that because I wouldn't do that
9:42right uh but there are people using the
9:45system uh for their benefit because
9:47sexual assault mostly does happen to
9:49women and it's hard to prove then I
9:51think as a society we're wanting to
9:54believe her word over
9:57his and so this stuff ends up in
10:00horrific
10:01consequences like this gentleman here
10:04that's his little son they found him
10:07dead not the son but the young man in
10:10the desert with a bullet in his
10:12head day before the family court and
10:16where it became known that he was going
10:18to get to see his little guy even
10:21less and of course he'd been falsely
10:24accused one time after another after
10:26another uh had destroyed his life he had
10:29Bank bankrupt him and driven him into
10:31debt and caused him to misw work he was
10:33about ready to lose his job he was in of
10:35his rope so he just decided to end
10:39it while producing this movie you also
10:41gave us an opportunity to see the impact
10:45that was happening on you on your life
10:48and we see you going through these
10:49changes that was very good idea to do
10:51that um what were you feeling I mean
10:55what were you thinking and H how was it
10:57impacting you so my video di have always
10:59been for private use and I kept a video
11:02diary log throughout making the red pill
11:05uh in total when I filmed the red pill
11:07over over a year I had 38 diaries that I
11:11filmed and I think about five make it in
11:12the film but it does a chronical and it
11:16shows in the film my Evolution yeah this
11:19film was the probably the biggest change
11:23in my life have ever gone through and
11:24for the better and it really affected my
11:26relationship with my boyfriend and my
11:28father figur and my male friends and and
11:31also made me feel more empowered as a
11:32woman W affected you in what way uh
11:36realizing that men aren't privileged
11:39over women and oppress women as a whole
11:43cuz I started to ask myself while I was
11:44making the red pill I would ask myself
11:45if I had the choice to switch places
11:47with my boyfriend for instance who was
11:49the bread winner and uh and he would get
11:52up at 4:30 a.m. and work 12 14 hour days
11:55and pay most of the bills would I want
11:57to switch roles with him and the answer
12:00was no and I realized well I guess I'm
12:02actually the privileged one in this
12:03relationship so have you been a tack for
12:05this film yes you have give us examples
12:09well it started early when I started
12:11making this film a lot of my friends and
12:13family who were feminists were angry
12:15that I was making a film about men's
12:17rights activists and they would say why
12:18are you giving them a platform to speak
12:20which is such an insane thing because
12:22most people don't even know what emy's
12:24have to say so why are you saying they
12:25can't speak uh but I didn't let that
12:29deter me from continuing on but I did
12:31lose a few friends and then when I had a
12:34budget to make this film I started
12:36approaching different companies to uh
12:39contribute sound services and animation
12:42and so many very peculiar things
12:44happened that I've never seen happen on
12:46a dozen other films that I've directed
12:49where they would be along for being a
12:51part of the project and at the 11th Hour
12:53they would drop out and give a reason
12:56that didn't make sense and we actually
12:57had the Village Voice major paper in in
13:00New York refused to run our what would
13:02have been a paid for advertisement and
13:05my PR team has never seen that and in
13:07there Decades of being in this industry
13:10and so we just had all these things
13:12happening that uh I I've never seen
13:15there were companies I worked with in
13:16the past that refused to work on this
13:18film and uh so there was that kind of
13:21discrimination happening just based on
13:23the subject matter and my film I believe
13:24is very balanced I think most people
13:26that will see it will agree it's
13:27balanced it's not propaganda so it's
13:29just having the discussion is they're
13:31wanting to silence that just the
13:33discussion or the idea of this topic of
13:34men's issues and uh and then in the
13:38media you know having my reputation
13:40smeared having the film lie outright
13:43lies about the film to discredit the
13:45film or me so people won't see it and
13:48and we are doing the Oscar qualifying
13:50process and so some of these mainstream
13:53media uh sources that are writing our
13:55film reviews I think maybe are trying to
13:57sway the vote to to not like the film or
14:00watch the
14:02film battered children grow up to batter
14:05that's what I learned whether it be a
14:07man or a woman and I now know that if a
14:09woman comes in with a history of
14:11violence in her own childhood the
14:13chances are she will be probably violent
14:15to her children and she will want to
14:17live on this knife edge of Crisis and
14:20[Music]
14:21danger I haven't been allowed to speak
14:24that's the difficulty why is that
14:26because I'm completely barred from all
14:28conferences like I'm not allowed to walk
14:30up the step of my own Refuge I bought
14:32the bloody building but no cuz there
14:34feminist the woman who runs it is very
14:36heavy femin she won't have anything to
14:38do with me what did you say that made
14:40them hate you that women could be
14:43equally advant as men that was from the
14:50beginning you know what I noticed about
14:52your film like with those organizations
14:54some of the organization you interview I
14:56have a nonprofit where I work with men
14:59and what I try to do is to show men how
15:02to forgive you know don't resent don't
15:06hate you know always operate from love
15:08and love is not like a feeling love is
15:11just not hating you know and when you
15:13don't hate you you have natural love
15:16that cause you and help you to overcome
15:18anything some of the organization seem
15:21to be operating from hate you know have'
15:23gone through a lot now they're angry
15:25about about that and so it's weakening
15:28them rather than allowing them to go
15:30forth with power have you did you notice
15:33anything like that the anger or what
15:35anything I I think men's rights
15:37activists feel beaten down and then it
15:40and it does um come out in anger or rage
15:44uh sadness hopelessness suicide rate is
15:4878% men uh of all suicides are men right
15:52that was shocking to me that what was it
15:5575% you said 78% worldwide of of false
15:59suicides are men that is amazing I did
16:02not know that yeah I had a unfortunately
16:05had a son out of wedlock when I was 18
16:07years old and he came here to live with
16:10me in La he was five and so he stayed
16:13here and really happy guy you know love
16:17being with his father and his mother
16:19went to New York got married and one
16:21Summer she said oh can you let him come
16:23visit just for the Summers summer I
16:26promised not to keep him and and I like
16:29no no no I'm not going to take that risk
16:32and she's like please please please so I
16:34took the risk and I let him go visit and
16:37she kept him and so I had to get a
16:39lawyer I went through the whole thing
16:41she lied and said she had changed his
16:42last name and we found out years that
16:45that wasn't true and um I have to tell
16:49you I don't think the world understand
16:51the pain that a father feel when he
16:53loses his children and I can imagine it
16:56must be tough for a mother too but when
16:58someone just take your kids away from
17:00you or your child it's really really
17:02painful and I was thinking about that
17:04watching a movie I hope that the world
17:06can see that men love their children too
17:10and they should not just be taken away
17:11from their fathers were there what do
17:14you what do you want for this from this
17:16film what do you want people to know
17:17what do you want to come out of this
17:20film I I think first and foremost I want
17:23this to start more discussions about
17:25men's issues and also allow people to
17:28open up about their own personal stories
17:29and and hopefully also elicit um
17:33compassion and from other people and
17:36allow people who do have this wall up to
17:38hear about men's issues to free their
17:40mind from whatever is is creating that
17:43wall and to be able to listen and have
17:44compassion for men and uh and if they
17:47don't have compassion for men's issues
17:49then they should look with inside
17:50themselves and ask themselves why and
17:52that's what I did while making the red
17:53pill was there were so many times I
17:54heard men's issues and I kept on
17:56thinking well what about women what and
17:57I kept making it about my feminist
17:59beliefs and it took so many years before
18:02I started to question that why do I why
18:04am I unwilling to hear men's issues and
18:06have compassion for them have you
18:08changed in the hearts of women women who
18:11hated men prior to this now they see
18:13what's going on yeah and I have some
18:15very close friends and family members
18:16who are very upset about me making this
18:18movie and because I made this film over
18:21three and a half years it's very long
18:23journey and I we kept having discussions
18:25over those years and just slowly it
18:28wasn't EAS process even for me to change
18:30but I saw them changing as well and some
18:32feminists that I interviewed in the film
18:34changing and now that they've seen the
18:37film they really have had uh
18:41just had their eyes opened I thought it
18:44was interesting how this one mother
18:46tried to get her son fat make him fat by
18:51overfeeding him that's a darest thing I
18:53ever heard of yeah you going to kill
18:55your son just to get back at the father
18:58yeah were you shot by that I was and I
19:01was really nervous to put that story in
19:02the film because of fat shaming and that
19:06whole you know dialogue right now uh and
19:10and the story isn't about you know if
19:12should people should be fat or healthy
19:14or whatever but the story shows that the
19:17courts supported a woman who was abusive
19:20to the child and gave her primary
19:23custody and and the father who was a
19:25very good father and cared about his
19:28son's health
19:29uh had his parental rights taken away uh
19:34and there's no other explanation except
19:36for gender bias in the courts that's
19:39amazing huh I'm glad to see men rising
19:42up and stopping us because the kids are
19:45along with women like you because the
19:47kids are suffering the worst thing that
19:49can happen to a child whether male or
19:51female is to be turn away from their
19:53fathers because when you turn when you
19:56turned away from your father it leaves a
19:57void is that you yeah what did your
20:00brother and and F father think about the
20:04movie well I only have sisters I have
20:06three sisters a lot of estrogen in house
20:08boyfriend yeah boyfriends uh and father
20:12my boyfriend has been overwhelmingly
20:14supportive he was my executive producer
20:17meaning he financed a lot of the movie
20:20uh and he was also my cinematographer so
20:23we're a film making team and uh and
20:26we've had a lot of discussions about
20:27these issues since uh starting the film
20:29and he also started as a feminist as
20:31well um as a feminist as a feminist he
20:34grew up in Berkeley and your boyfriend
20:36was a feminist just as a side note why
20:39would a woman be interested in a man who
20:43call himself a
20:45feminist well I think there's uh what
20:49they're trying to Brand feminism as
20:51which is movement for gender equality
20:53and the reason why spoiler alert at the
20:55end of the film I dropped the label of
20:57femin feminist yes um the reason for
21:00that is because I I I see that they
21:02don't include men's issues in the
21:04discussion and go as far to silence them
21:07and so that's why I dropped the label
21:09but I'm obviously still for women's
21:10rights and now I care about men's issues
21:12as well but I I believe and also looking
21:15at the tactics of movements and not just
21:17what they say their definition is but
21:20how they Implement that around them what
21:22can we do to help you get this out to
21:25the world the people who watching who
21:28will watch is and all of us yeah well go
21:31to the redpill movie.com and we are
21:34going to be doing screenings worldwide
21:35it's a Grassroots effort right now just
21:38fans and followers of the film are
21:39hosting their own screenings all over
21:41the world so if you go to our website
21:43you can see where there's a screening
21:44and very soon we're going to be
21:46available worldwide online and All
21:49Digital platforms and DVD iTunes Amazon
21:51Netflix Hulu all the rest so the film
21:54will be available far and wide and I
21:57hope as many people will see it as
21:59possible do you know why men are so men
22:02are so hated men are the most hated
22:05creatures on Earth today they would
22:08rather have an animal before they love a
22:10man why is that and not just feminist
22:14but it seem to be popular in the country
22:16today I I think it's an interesting
22:19phenomenon that a lot of women are and
22:22it's not like they're lesbians either
22:23it's just there are a lot of women who
22:25say they don't need a man and I can do
22:27it all and uh and say that it's
22:29empowering to not need a man and do it
22:31all and um and I understand that I mean
22:35I have friends that are doing that as
22:37well and I I think you know each
22:39person's circumstance is different but I
22:41would like to see children raised with a
22:43father in the home or male figure and uh
22:46some kind of male role model that's um
22:49male teachers as well coaches that that
22:52connection is so important to see what a
22:54good man looks like and as far as the
22:56hatred of men um
22:59I I think it has a lot to do with the
23:00feminist uh rhetoric and uh this idea
23:05that uh women are victims they're
23:08oppressed by men and men have all the
23:09power and therefore we need to take away
23:11power from men to uplift women and so
23:14it's almost like female empowerment
23:16under in feminist size is to actually
23:20indirectly step over men in the process
23:22to lift up women again I want everybody
23:26to see the movie because it's really
23:28really insightful I know men and some
23:31women too but especially men who are
23:33adults and because they have not been
23:35raised up by their fathers they are
23:38mentally affected by it a lot of guys
23:41can't get up and go to work anymore
23:42they're relying on women to take care of
23:44them or you know they're living at home
23:46with their mothers until they're 50 and
23:4860 years old and all that is due to the
23:51lack of a good father because if you
23:54don't have that while growing up you
23:55don't have an example to look at to see
23:58how to follow yeah and I I would also
24:01like to add that a lot of feminists will
24:03say yes fatherlessness is a huge problem
24:06in our society but they will blame men
24:08as deadbe dads that they weren't
24:10involved but what I learned throughout
24:12making the red pill is that there are so
24:14many fathers that want to be involved
24:15and the courts and the exes in their
24:18lives are disallowing them to be
24:20involved in this parental alienation and
24:23uh that 81% of all primary uh custody is
24:27to the mother yeah and uh so there are a
24:30lot of dads that want to be involved and
24:32and they're being pushed out yeah I saw
24:34this happened to the black
24:36community about 50 or 60 years ago when
24:39they started to take the man out of the
24:40home and the government became the daddy
24:43of the family corrupt leaders became the
24:47head of the people it just went downhill
24:50I mean men became weaker they became
24:52emotional and now you have uh um a
24:56Warfare going on between the black man
24:58and the black woman which has nothing to
25:00do with racism by the way it is the
25:02destruction of the home the woman
25:04doesn't have the father there to help
25:06raise the children she's angry about
25:08that and she's passing that anger down
25:10to the children you know because kids
25:13are innocent when they first come into
25:14the world but they come into this crazy
25:16family where fathers and mothers are not
25:19there are not getting alone it changes
25:21their nature and we just now have a mess
25:24in the black community and they're
25:26blaming it on racism but it has nothing
25:28to do with that is all about not having
25:30that father there and they don't want to
25:33admit it wow and so all the destruction
25:35that you see is coming from not having a
25:37father there and the anger of the
25:39mothers and then the fathers who try as
25:41you said they try to be with their kids
25:43they pay the money but they can't see
25:45the kids because the mother fights
25:47against that even after the court tell
25:50them to do it yeah I know a lot of I've
25:53heard a lot a lot of women wanting to
25:55keep custody for the child support
25:57payments why don't Society understand
26:00the family issue why have we forgotten
26:02about how important that is I don't
26:05think they've forgotten it I think they
26:06benefit from the chaos and the money in
26:10court and family court the money and
26:12child support payments I think broken
26:15families growing up and and kids having
26:17issues there are a lot of industries
26:20that benefit from that so they're they
26:22all have an investment in keeping it bro
26:25broken you know that's true well I
26:27really appreciate your work thank you so
26:28much for what you're doing and uh thanks
26:30for coming today thank you for having me
26:33did you have fun I did were you nervous
26:35I was you were oh my gosh yes and why
26:38were you nervous I saw your other videos
26:40and I didn't know if I don't know we
26:42would debate about politics or whatnot
26:45I'm scared this this documentary is too
26:47important to to put anything else in I
26:50want everybody and their M to see this
26:53thank you and really because we've been
26:54dealing with this stuff for 26 years and
26:56it's nice to see someone put it on on
26:58film it really show what's going on so I
27:00do appreciate that I I was easy on you
27:03today because of that thank you thank
27:10[Music]
27:16you don't let it get near
27:20you don't let it get too
27:25close don't let it turn you
27:30things you hate the most on the season
27:34finale of the Fallen state do you
27:37believe that human beings are in a
27:38fallen State there's a veritable schoras
27:41Board of ideas belief can be a
27:43contrivance of both intellect and
27:45emotion dead branches and cavers or
27:48origin saplings and infants or pliant
27:51when we become rigid we become Disciples
27:54of death
27:59n
28:00[Music]

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