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2:04All right. Hello everyone. Thanks for
2:06joining us. Uh couple minutes late here.
2:09As as I mentioned in the chat, we're uh
2:11we're coming in hot this month. and like
2:14coming in from meetings. You had some
2:16meetings and then right immediately
2:18after I have to jump on my other laptop
2:21to join a meeting at the end of this
2:23thing. So it is July which means it is
2:27uh starting to get busy especially in my
2:30world. So at EY um our uh our fiscal
2:34year rolls over July 1st. So it's like
2:38brand new year everybody's you know
2:40hitting hitting things running. So, it's
2:43uh it's been some crazy weeks that last
2:45week and this week, but how you doing,
2:46Andy?
2:47>> Coming back off vacation. I'm just
2:49trying to catch up get back into the
2:51flow of work. Um but yeah, flying by the
2:53seat of my pants as we're gathering in
2:56getting in here today. But looking
2:58forward to this one. This should be a a
3:00fun one.
3:01>> Awesome. We got a couple people joining
3:03us here. Minneapolis, Charlotte, North
3:05Carolina, over in your neck of the
3:06woods.
3:07>> Yeah, Travis.
3:09>> Yeah. which you went up you were still
3:10in North Carolina, right? You like went
3:12up to the beach like a little bit north
3:14of you or something.
3:14>> Uh east east to the coast.
3:17>> Yep.
3:17>> Yeah. That's awesome, man. Must be nice.
3:20>> On the coast.
3:21>> Yeah. We went down to uh Arkansas for a
3:24couple days like around Fourth of July.
3:26That was really nice. Just kind of hang
3:28out by the lake at an Airbnb. It was a
3:30good time.
3:32So, um we've got a a fun topic this
3:35month. We wanted to talk about uh
3:39something that we've used a lot on the
3:42OpenAI side and maybe a little bit on
3:44the claude side, but we don't really
3:47like to talk too much about stuff like
3:49until it's baked a little bit in the
3:51co-pilot space. And C-pilot notebooks,
3:55they made a big splash. They were
3:57coming. They showed a lot of demos and
4:00the roll out for it has kind of
4:02happened. It's been what maybe like two
4:04months almost 3 months maybe since
4:06notebooks have landed and it's kind of
4:09calmed enough that I think you know it's
4:12stable enough for us to talk about it
4:13and you know not have uh buttons you
4:16know not show up and then show up later
4:18and stuff like that. So we thought it
4:20would be a good time you know to kind of
4:22kick things off in that new fiscal year
4:25talking about u some of these more
4:27advanced capabilities like co-pilot
4:31notebooks. There was also a new um agent
4:34called agent capital A a agent that was
4:37announced that's going to be coming to
4:39the co-pilot experience later on. You
4:41know some of those more uh you know
4:44below the surface type of features for
4:47you know maybe a little bit more power
4:49users of co-pilot. And the first one of
4:52those to kind of talk about is co-pilot
4:54notebook. Um, now I have used uh chat
4:59GPT projects for probably over a year at
5:03this point I think. Like I jumped into
5:05them right away, started using um the
5:08project capability and then I've kind of
5:11been dabbling into notebooks. I got a
5:13little bit of early access at work and
5:16then I've been using it in our MVP
5:18tenant that we share uh otherwise. So,
5:21I'm a little bit less familiar with the
5:23co-pilot side and interested to like
5:26dive into it and really kick the tires
5:29on what co-pilot notebook looks like.
5:32But Andy, you've tried uh clawed
5:33notebooks, right? Like or projects
5:37called projects.
5:38>> Yep.
5:39>> Okay. Have you done Notebook LM at all?
5:42>> Um I'm sorry.
5:43>> Have you done Notebook LM at all with
5:45Google?
5:46>> Yeah.
5:46>> Okay, good. So maybe you kind of have
5:48the other half of what I haven't played
5:50with.
5:50>> Uh I I am not monogamous with my AI.
5:55I have an open relationship. I have
5:58dabbled with uh all of them from Jad GBT
6:01to Claude to uh Gemini um co-pilot and
6:06kind of everywhere in between. Um I like
6:08seeing what the capabilities are to kind
6:10of have an idea of where the market
6:11might be going and where some of the
6:13pitfalls are. But I full disclosure um
6:16being able to talk about the differences
6:21helps me with our user adoption story
6:23within my organization. Um people come
6:28from different different AI tools and
6:30our enterprise standard is Microsoft 365
6:32co-pilot. So being able to do a compare
6:34and contrast and really talk deeply
6:37about the differences is something that
6:39um I find to be very helpful. Um, and I
6:41do like to experiment. Um, as a new
6:43feature rolls out like a notebook LM, as
6:46a new feature like a project or a
6:47notebook comes out, it's it's
6:49interesting to see how these things
6:52overlap with one another and what um,
6:54the market might be kind of shifting to.
6:57I spent a lot of time recently
6:59um, doing a deep dive into prompting
7:03versus agents and when to use prompts
7:05and when to use agents. And, you know,
7:06we've we've spent some time and did some
7:08some topics on that uh, as well. And
7:10that's been really eye openening for me
7:12and I found it's the same way when we
7:14start talking about some of these other
7:15AI tools and and comparing and
7:17contrasting um some of the features uh
7:19with it. I haven't done uh as much deep
7:23work um like referencing a project for
7:25example internally because it's been
7:27limited in the co-pilot space for a
7:29little while but to your point um from a
7:31little while ago notebooks are starting
7:33to uh give us those capabilities now and
7:37so I'm transitioning some of my um
7:39workload um in the Microsoft stack into
7:42copilot notebooks and starting to work
7:44more and expand off of that. So, I'm
7:46looking forward to talk here today and
7:48exploring this with everybody who's
7:49joining in with us from all over the
7:51world.
7:52>> Yeah. And I'm curious. I put in the chat
7:54below uh what are what are you guys
7:56using the viewers right now like have
7:58you used Notebook LM kind of what your
8:01thoughts are about one versus the other.
8:04I have to admit, you know, some bias
8:06here because I mean, obviously, we're
8:07both Microsoft MVPs and I I'm paying
8:12personally for the uh chat GPT plus
8:15subscription. So, that's like the $20 a
8:17month. So, my experience is all on like
8:19the Microsoft and OpenAI side, you know,
8:22but I'm curious to learn more about the
8:24Google and uh and anthropic side. Now,
8:28one thing I thought that we could maybe
8:30start off with just to kind of lay the
8:32groundwork of those kind of four big
8:35players. Somebody might let us know in
8:37the chat one of the other players that's
8:40out there, but um I did go into chat GPT
8:44and I asked it to give me an unbiased
8:47comparison chart. You know, I tried to
8:49like, you know, hey, don't make one win
8:52over the other to try to say like, all
8:54right, with 03
8:57you know, what's the difference between
8:58these things? Um, and it did an okay
9:01job. Like knowing about C-pilot
9:03notebooks, I'll kind of call out some of
9:04the uh incorrect things that it has
9:08mentioned, but um it's a bit of an eye
9:10chart. I tried to zoom it in as much as
9:12I could, but I did use 03. So, you can
9:15see that it thought about it for three
9:16minutes. It did a ton of web searches
9:19and kind of pulled all this stuff from
9:21like help documentation across Microsoft
9:23and OpenAI and Google. Um, but you can
9:27kind of see here like some of the
9:30differences between these and they're
9:32all similarly in the same type of a type
9:37of space feature functionalitywise where
9:40it's a place that you are going to um
9:43collect things whether it's chats that
9:46are associated around a specific topic
9:49or uh you're going to add files to it.
9:52So, you're kind of grounding your new
9:54chats within those files and within the
9:57other conversations. Um, it's a little
10:00bit I don't know if it's entirely
10:01accurate to call it this, but it's a
10:02little bit like a mini rag of sorts
10:05where it's like you're kind of
10:07sectioning off everything about a topic
10:10into a container of sorts called a
10:13project or called a notebook depending
10:15on uh what you're looking at. So um you
10:19know they all kind of call it the same
10:21thing like it's a smart workspace. It's
10:24a place where you can organize files and
10:26chats. Uh it is distinct from one note
10:29so that we're not talking a oneote
10:31notebook talking a co-pilot notebook. So
10:34you know the terminology might be a
10:36little bit confusing there. Same with
10:38Google right it's you're bringing in
10:41sources you're bringing in files
10:43bringing in other information. uh
10:45Notebook LM they really lean into the
10:47audio overviews and we'll talk a lot
10:49about that today um which is kind of a
10:52podcast style summaries that you can
10:55generate and then same thing here with
10:57uh claude right it's they they call it
10:59like a knowledge base right you're
11:01setting up this kind of mini rag you're
11:04connecting to either data that's
11:05specific to that container or you know
11:09the chats that are there within and then
11:11they call out that um you know there's
11:13also connectors
11:15that are available within those
11:16projects. Um so the different things
11:20that you can kind of add to here are
11:23with chat GPT
11:26uh projects you're able to add um you
11:29know upload files right so I upload PDFs
11:32I upload spreadsheets pictures other
11:34things like that um it does have some
11:38memory to it and then there is also uh
11:41instructions that you can add so you can
11:43add custom instructions it's important
11:45to note though there are connectors with
11:47chat GPT
11:48So you can connect to things like Google
11:50Drive or like a personal one drive or
11:53shareepoint site if your administrators
11:55allow those connectors and then chat GBT
11:58is able to use those. You cannot do that
12:00inside a project. So it's limited in its
12:03external connectivity. Now with
12:06Microsoft uh co-pilot notebooks, you're
12:09able to add the the typical suspects,
12:11right? Your word documents, powerpoints,
12:14and loop things. um OneNote notebooks as
12:17well as like any co-pilot pages which
12:19are based off of Microsoft Loop. Um and
12:22then it's got, you know, the basic
12:25grounding for the rest of your uh
12:27organization. Same with Google. It's
12:30playing in their area. You've got uh
12:32Google Docs and Sheets and Slides.
12:34Anything from your Google uh drive you
12:36can bring into that notebook LM. Um
12:39these are kind of interesting though,
12:41web URLs and YouTube. So you can put in
12:43specific web URLs. We'll talk about that
12:46in the demo for notebooks is um I found
12:49that copilot notebooks we can't actually
12:51add uh websites like specific websites
12:55and that was a limit that I kind of ran
12:56into like ah I kind of uh was
12:59disappointed by that. Same type of thing
13:01with anthropic here, right? You're doing
13:04uh connectors to Google Drive or you're
13:06uploading specific do uh files that have
13:08like text and images and things like
13:10that. They do call out that you can do
13:12connectors though with the clawed one.
13:15Um, anything you want to add to to kind
13:18of like what the container is and what
13:20you put in the container, Andy, from
13:22your perspective?
13:24>> I just want to emphasize that as this
13:26has matured when we first got our hands
13:29on any one of these, it was just
13:31independent conversations completely
13:33siloed from one another. So I would have
13:36like a series of chats running along in
13:39the sidebar of chat GPT and even their
13:42search wasn't great in the beginning.
13:43There was a lot of manual scrolling and
13:46I have a lot of chats and so like
13:47revisiting some of that was really hard.
13:49So I was having to copy and paste a lot
13:51into notebooks manually. Uh same thing
13:53with Claude independent conversations
13:56and um co-pilot independent
13:59conversations.
14:01what we're what you're talking about
14:03here and what it's doing is it's
14:04allowing us to take okay this
14:06conversation is related to this
14:07conversation let's put them in the same
14:09container but also reference them and I
14:12think that opens up a a ton of
14:14possibilities and capabilities so the
14:16silos is being broken open but I do want
14:19to make sure that there's a clear
14:20distinction between putting things in
14:23the folder and memory chat GBT's had
14:26memory for a little while now and in
14:28some cases it's really good it remembers
14:31other parts of conversation and I can
14:33just say hey you know we talked about
14:34this how does it apply to that
14:37>> but in other cases it doesn't want to
14:38let go of the memory and it's like well
14:40we talked about this other thing and I'm
14:42like no I want to start fresh and it's
14:43like no we've got this thing you know we
14:45need to like
14:47>> need to drill down on and so it gets a
14:48little frustrating
14:50>> projects kind of help with that a little
14:51bit
14:52>> compartmentalization
14:55>> amongst the the things that I want and
14:57so I think that's that's really helpful
15:00And so it's a container to put these
15:04things into and then adding the files to
15:06it adds to the sourcing and the
15:08grounding of what you're doing. That's
15:09also another big benefit. Um but then
15:12you got to figure out your workflow
15:14around it. And so that's I think
15:15something we want to expand on a little
15:17bit today.
15:18>> Yeah. And David has a clarification. I
15:21don't know if he's with the product
15:22group maybe or or something, but he says
15:24that uh web URL support is coming soon
15:26for Copilot notebook. So I kind of
15:28voiced that complaint um when we're
15:31talking about what types of things can
15:33you put into these containers. So that's
15:35really good. And then Ammy was uh
15:37talking about co-pilot notebooks
15:39actually are surfaced in OneNote. Now
15:41it's it is important to you know make
15:43the distinction they're not notebooks.
15:46They're a construct called a copilot
15:48notebook. Um but one of the interfaces
15:51that you can call it up is in OneNote
15:53now. So that makes it more accessible
15:55which is really cool. Um, so the other
15:59kind of chunk of this uh research that I
16:01did pretty quickly before we started is
16:05um what you're able to do within the
16:07notebooks. That's another kind of
16:09discrepancy that I've noted between like
16:11chat GPT and co-pilot space. And you
16:14might have some some thoughts in there
16:16about uh Google and Claude as well. But
16:21um one thing I've noticed is that the uh
16:24chat GBT you are able to do some of the
16:26more advanced things like deep research.
16:29So if I'm in a uh if I'm in a co-pilot
16:34or wait a chat GPT area here and I open
16:38up like this one I can go ahead and um I
16:41can search the web. I can also like
16:44upload things directly and uh work with
16:46some of those more advanced
16:48capabilities. One thing I've noticed
16:49with the notebooks is when I go in and
16:53uh start a new chat or go into a chat
16:57once it's associated with the network or
16:59with the notebook I'm not able to chat
17:01with an agent. So I'm not able to bring
17:04the researcher agent in yet. Um but that
17:07is something that we'll call out uh is
17:10on the road map. Um so on the public
17:12road map we found that agents are kind
17:14of on the short list to come in there.
17:17But today that's a difference between
17:19the two is um you know my kind of
17:23workaround that I have found is I
17:26sometimes will go do a regular chat
17:29within co-pilot and I'll you know work
17:31with images I'll work with the
17:33researcher agent something like that and
17:35then I'll add it into the notebook after
17:37I'm kind of done with that chat and I
17:38want to you know use it as a um like a
17:42knowledge base uh type of thing. So
17:46that's something that I've used in the
17:47past is uh is you know doing what I need
17:51to do outside of the notebook and then
17:53bringing it in. Obviously whenever
17:55agents come in later on that will be a
17:57little bit better. Um there are limits
18:00to what you can put into the notebooks
18:02as well. So with uh chat GPT uh OpenAI's
18:06product you're able to do 20 files in a
18:09project. I have run into this limit
18:11before. So, um, I have a plus
18:14subscription, so I I'm able to only put
18:16in 20. If you're doing the $200 a month
18:19subscription for like the pro version,
18:21or there's some cheaper options if you
18:22do team, enterprise, and edu, you can do
18:2540 uh new files into your project. Um,
18:30it's important that to note that um the
18:34limit for co-pilot notebooks is really
18:36around uh what it's able to reference in
18:39your chat uh experience. So you might be
18:42able to dump like 50, 60, however many
18:45files into the notebook itself, but it
18:49only references up to 20 of those. And
18:52I'm curious if that's going to be
18:54changing soon, Andy, because um I've
18:56noticed in the regular chat for Copilot
18:59chat uh that I've gotten back like 22 24
19:03different citations. So I know that that
19:0620 limit has been removed from the
19:08normal chat. So, I'm curious if uh this
19:11might be out of date a little bit here.
19:13Um kind of like I said, I was going to
19:15call out the incorrect things. Uh chat
19:17GPT is claiming that researcher is able
19:19to work within the notebooks. It is not
19:21at this time. That's going to be a a
19:23later on on the road map type of
19:25feature.
19:27Um it looks like they're pretty big
19:28though for the other products here,
19:31right? So, you can do up to 50 different
19:32sources in a Google notebook LM
19:35notebook. And then um it doesn't really
19:38talk about how many files you can do,
19:40but you have 200,000 tokens uh whenever
19:43you're working with Anthropics project
19:45uh solution. Any insights to like have
19:48you used uh agents or um like dumped
19:52really massive amounts of files into
19:54those other products? I have
19:56experimented with cloud projects and um
20:00around one specific is um a ton of
20:05research for blog posting. Uh that's
20:08been the number one use case over there
20:10for for me and the experimentation
20:12related to quad because it has had the
20:15largest context window of the AI tools
20:18up to this point. Um, it's been really
20:20helpful for that large context and it
20:22seems to do a really good job of being
20:23able to manage that uh that large
20:25memory. But like you were saying with
20:27your chat GBT plus subscription, you're
20:29paying for the the plus subscription.
20:31Same thing. I'm paying for the cloud
20:32subscription
20:34>> um so that I get that extra
20:36capabilities.
20:38>> So moving on to uh the sharing and
20:41collaboration. I thought this was
20:42another kind of a point that I've run
20:45into with my personal usage of these
20:47products, which is um I really wish that
20:50I could share an entire project or an
20:53entire notebook, right? And in the chat
20:55GBT world, I'm not able to share the
20:57entire project, but you kind of have
21:00that basic uh chatbased sharing. So,
21:03like if I go into this is my uh my prep
21:06project that I did for our our trip to
21:08Vegas. I wasn't able to share this
21:10entire project with um with Andy, but at
21:15the individual level, well, it looks
21:17like it's grayed out now. Um I was able
21:19to share those. I wonder if it now
21:21doesn't allow me to share those, but um
21:24it would be nice to be able to share the
21:26entirety with all the sources and all of
21:29the instructions and things like that,
21:31but I'm not able to do that with chat
21:33GPT. Same thing over here in the
21:35co-pilot notebook space. Whenever we've
21:38got uh a notebook, there's no sharing
21:40capability at this time. I can just kind
21:43of favorite, rename, or open the uh the
21:46project or the the notebook. And then if
21:49I go into
21:52a specific conversation
21:55and I've got like a response here from
21:57co-pilot,
21:59come on down. Uh I can do um just copy
22:02response, but you see I don't have the
22:04share capability right there. One thing
22:06I can do as a workaround is you can edit
22:09it in pages and then once you like open
22:12that up into a co-pilot page, it's now a
22:15loop file. So at that point I could
22:18click the share button and then I could
22:19share it with somebody. But that's kind
22:20of like extracting it out of the chat
22:22itself and you know here's the results
22:25from the chat and we can work together
22:27on the resulting uh content. So kind of
22:31limited in the collaboration
22:33capabilities for both of those. Um it
22:37looks like on the Google side you can um
22:40you can share your notebooks a little
22:42bit more smoothly. I've heard of people
22:44doing like collaborative podcast like AI
22:47podcast with notebook LM and um they've
22:49been able to like share the actual
22:52notebook back and forth between podcast
22:54hosts. So that would be kind of nice and
22:57it looks like in claude as well um if
22:59you're in the team and enterprise space
23:01you can have like enterprise uh
23:03workspaces so you could add other people
23:05to it as well. So
23:10um over here in the data and uh data
23:14residency things I think most of this is
23:17just kind of basic to the the overall
23:19platform right like uh in
23:23in the co-pilot notebook space it's
23:25important to call out these are
23:26shareepoint embedded containers so it
23:28creates a shareepoint embedded um
23:31container for lack of better words that
23:33kind of headless SharePoint that's where
23:35it stores that information kind of like
23:37a loop workspace um but without that
23:40collaboration without that sharing
23:41capability. So it's a little bit like
23:43your personal workspace in the uh the
23:46loop construct
23:48um as well. Now it's important if you're
23:50using chat GBT this is something we like
23:53to pull out you know all the time is uh
23:56if you're on like a non-enterprise
23:58version um then you need to like go in
24:02and turn off improving the model. So, if
24:06you don't want your data to train chat
24:09GPT, then you'll need to go into the
24:12settings and then I think it's under
24:14data controls. Yeah, improve the model
24:16for everyone. If you turn that off, then
24:19it won't train the model. So, that is
24:21something you have to manually uh turn
24:23off at your like overall chat GPT
24:26account level. Um on here they say
24:29Google, you know, promises that your
24:31data is not used to train if it's inside
24:33a notebook LM. And then the same thing
24:35with anthropic, they're not using it to
24:37train uh their underlying models as
24:40well. So um for these for me that's like
24:44these three kind of get a green light as
24:46far as like you know data protection
24:48stuff. Chad GBT it's a little bit under
24:50the covers, right? You got to go do
24:52something if you don't want it to
24:53improve the model.
24:56Um, I'll kind of skip over the the
24:59security and compliance because it's
25:01basically the same as the um the rest of
25:04those platforms as well. Um, there we
25:07talked about the limits for the number
25:09of uh files as well. Uh, for um chat GPT
25:14projects, you can only do 20 of those,
25:1740 if you're paying more. You can upload
25:1910 files at a time as well. Um and then
25:24this talks about researcher again. Um
25:27this is not correct at this time. You
25:29can't use researcher and analyst within
25:31your notebook uh right now with
25:33co-pilot. Um but again the notebook is
25:36going to use those 20 references uh for
25:38its grounding. Then you can do up to 50
25:40for notebook 200 uh,000 tokens for the
25:45other as well. So um I think I'm going
25:49to skip over this again as well because
25:50it talks about like the researcher. That
25:52is not correct at this time. But you
25:54know, you do get the the overall better,
25:57you know, Microsoft EU data security,
26:00the data boundaries, um, multigo, things
26:03like that, uh, in the co-pilot world as
26:06well. So, anything to add to that, Andy,
26:09or should we kind of get into what we
26:13use projects for and and some of our
26:15examples?
26:16>> So, I actually asked that um in the chat
26:18on LinkedIn. I know you brought it up
26:20here on on the YouTube stream as well,
26:22but I am curious to see those that are
26:24joining in live what you're using some
26:26of the project capabilities notebooks
26:29for uh and for for some of your work.
26:31But yeah, um I think we should dive in
26:33talk a little bit around um kind of what
26:37we use the uh these for and um some of
26:40our use case and maybe inspire some
26:43others that are participating here uh to
26:45uh to hear their stories as well. Yeah,
26:48I think it's good to set the stage, you
26:49know, with like here's the back of the
26:52box, right? But, um, I am boring myself
26:56going through that table, you know, but
26:58I think it was good to kind of like we
26:59want to level set
27:01>> um and get into it. Do you want me to
27:04start first with kind of my couple
27:06things I've used uh projects and
27:09notebooks for or do you want to jump in?
27:11>> Let me jump in.
27:13>> I'll let you share your screen.
27:14>> Yeah, let me go ahead and do that now.
27:16>> Cool. Yeah, you just take it over.
27:21All right.
27:24There we go.
27:25>> So, here we are. Um I'm starting off
27:29with um Claude. Um if you haven't seen
27:31it, this is um this is Claude and this
27:35is from Anthropic. Uh they're I think an
27:38offshoot of OpenAI. um a number of their
27:42team actually I think started at OpenAI
27:44and uh Claude kind of has their own
27:46version um their own mission of what
27:48they're they're hoping to do with AI. So
27:50this is their what they call the desktop
27:52app on um their uh on the Mac client. Um
27:58every AI that we're working with
28:00nowadays is really based around a chat
28:04um centric experience. It's no different
28:06in Claude. It's the same in Chad GPT.
28:08It's the same in Microsoft 365 copilot.
28:10It's even the same in Notebook LM and
28:12Gemini uh as well. So this is Claude. So
28:16what am I um using it for? Um typically
28:20independent conversations, a lot of
28:21Microsoft research. Um you'll see
28:23Microsoft listed here throughout a lot
28:26of Microsoft research. Um consolidating
28:28sources. Uh so for me in my role um
28:30within my organization, I actually work
28:32on the Microsoft collaboration team. We
28:34have administrative responsibilities,
28:36but I'm also in charge of user adoption,
28:39training, and education. And I'm leading
28:41our co-pilot program within the
28:42organization as well. And so, um, I'm
28:46halfway into the, um, the the
28:50administration space, the governance
28:52space, um, a lot of the security space,
28:54and then the user adoption space. And so
28:57I'm constantly I spend a lot of my time
28:59working with Microsoft articles on their
29:01support side, support.microsoft.com,
29:04but I'm also in the uh documentation
29:06side, which a lot of that's like
29:07learn.microsoft.com and some of the
29:09technical articles they have over there.
29:11And a lot of times I'm trying to fit
29:12together the pieces of the story where
29:14you get the how-to over here and then
29:17you get some of the limits and technical
29:18capabilities over there and then you
29:20kind of got to put it together to be
29:21able to answer like all of the
29:23questions. For example, with a Microsoft
29:26Teams meeting, who has access to be able
29:29to manage the Teams meeting recordings
29:31and transcriptions and use Copilot in it
29:33before, during, and after the meeting?
29:35Those are questions that we need to be
29:36able to answer. And so, a lot of times
29:38I'm having to go to a couple of
29:39different sources to kind of piece all
29:40that together. And so, what I'll use
29:43things like projects for is to have some
29:46conversations around some of that
29:48content. Uh, and then based off of that,
29:52um, try to use some of these tools to,
29:55um, draft a narrative around that. I'm a
29:58storyteller. I like, um, providing a
30:00narrative and a story and and getting
30:02people to connect in that way. And so
30:03what I'm able to do is go and pull um
30:06that content, start drafting something
30:09around it, and then give the AI the uh
30:13ability to go in and assume a role or a
30:16persona and help me to kind of see some
30:18of the ins and outs of that. But early
30:22on, it's been a challenge in doing some
30:24of this because it's all individual
30:27conversations. And so now we've got the
30:29ability to go through and start working
30:31with like um um projects. So I can take
30:35this article where I'm working at um
30:38things on like um a Microsoft Teams
30:40meeting guide uh and how and updating
30:42that making sure that it's um accurate
30:44and up to date and it's got that
30:45narrative in it. I can take this and I
30:47can start to drop it into maybe a
30:49project that I'm working on and as part
30:51of that project I would be able to start
30:53adding in project knowledge. So, I might
30:55have a couple of documents where I just
30:57have some technical limitations
30:59associated with the team's meeting
31:00types. Then I might have a couple of
31:02documents where I'm looking at the
31:04actual how-to of those articles and then
31:06I can actually start piecing that um
31:08together um right inside of here. So,
31:11with working within the limits, like I
31:13might have to upload from the device.
31:14Fortunately for us, um, especially with
31:17the Microsoft content, most of their
31:19technical articles can be exported as a
31:21PDF and that's actually built right into
31:23the user interface for Microsoft. So, I
31:25can pull that as a PDF and upload it
31:27into the document. I just have to remind
31:29myself when I go in here later on, that
31:31might not be the most up-to-date uh
31:33thing. Um, the other thing is I can
31:36start building my conversations around
31:38within this project. Now, this is a
31:40brand new project. There's no artifacts
31:41inside of here. I wanted people to see
31:43what it looks like from the quad
31:45perspective um right away. But I can go
31:48in and you know for this particular chat
31:51I can have files um associated with it.
31:54But for the project I can also have
31:56files that are associated with it
31:57globally u for the project. I can go in
32:01and based off of Claude's capabilities
32:04um maybe just use the training data or
32:07the project knowledge or extend it to
32:09things like the web and other services
32:11and connectors. I can have it do
32:13extended thinking which is like the 03
32:16model and chat GPT uh for deep
32:18reasoning. I can also have it do deep
32:20research um much like um we get with a
32:24researcher agent for Microsoft 365
32:26copilot or for um uh the deep research
32:32in um uh Chad GPT and then I get to to
32:35work with like the various models that
32:36are there and I can kind of pick and
32:38choose that adventure but the projects
32:40are going to allow me to start bringing
32:41together the conversations that are
32:43important for that topic user adoption
32:46education training and then I can start
32:48bringing that together in like one um
32:50one consolidated place and like building
32:53out um that content. Now, I only have a
32:55couple of projects that I'm I'm
32:57currently experimenting with inside of
32:59Quad. I have a ton of individual
33:01conversations. Um but admittedly, this
33:04is not the first place that I go when
33:06I'm doing Genai. My enterprise is built
33:09around M365 Copilot. So, that's where I
33:11start. And so, that's where I go and
33:13that's where like a lot of my um my
33:15comparisons um start. But this just I I
33:18wanted to give a highlevel overview of
33:20what Claude looks like and then just um
33:24give you an idea of um uh potentially
33:27what the conversation uh type looks
33:29like. So I actually uploaded a PDF that
33:31was built off of some content that I'd
33:33developed. I gave it the prompt, told it
33:35what I'm looking for, and just like any
33:37other chat bots, I get the um the
33:38outcome and the experience uh from that.
33:41I can have conversation back and forth
33:43with it uh with it. Um, I can copy it to
33:46the clipboard. I can continue to to
33:49iterate against it. And then I can star
33:51and rename this kind of stuff. I can
33:53even go if I need to share this
33:56conversation with someone that's
33:57external or I can go and start like um
34:00brand new chat. But this just kind of
34:01gives a I think a highle overview of
34:04what Claude looks like and what it would
34:06look like for managing a project um
34:08inside of here. Now I'll just switch
34:10gears and I'll take you over into Chad
34:13GPT. Now, um, this one's interesting
34:16because as a Mac user, I have a couple
34:19of options to choose from when it comes
34:21to my chat GBT experience. I can go
34:23through the web. I can also go through
34:26um two different versions of a desktop
34:29app. Um, so again, I'm on Mac and
34:32there's a a standalone desktop app that
34:35you can get from the app store, but then
34:37there's a progressive web app that's
34:39based off of the web. Um, and the
34:41progressive web app actually has newer
34:43features before the desktop gets it. It
34:45has some more advanced features. So, I
34:47find myself actually going back and
34:48forth um between uh between the two. So,
34:51like um I'll put this one over in the
34:52sidebar over here. And then let me go
34:55and grab the other one. Um this is like
34:57the um this is the progressive web app.
35:00And I know that because it's got a
35:01couple of my web app plugins like over
35:03here. um at the core they're they're
35:05very similar um as you're as you're
35:08looking at this but for some reason um
35:10the progressive web app brings in some
35:12of the newer capabilities like the Sora
35:14video creator is shortcuted inside of
35:17there as I open this up this afternoon
35:19to get started for today's um webinar um
35:22it told me that there's the new chat GPT
35:24agent that can interact with content on
35:27my on my computer which is like RPA
35:30robotic process automation and some of
35:32um that um that intake the desktop app
35:34in the background. This guy over here
35:36doesn't have that yet. It hasn't uh
35:38hasn't deployed that um uh just yet, but
35:41it is showing up in the progressive web
35:43app version of this. So, that being
35:46said, kind of lay of the land. Um I'm
35:48going back and forth between the
35:49different desktop apps in Chat GBT just
35:52to kind of experiment and see like
35:53what's um what's um actually there. But
35:56this is a project um inside of Chad GBT.
36:00So, I'm just going to expand this one a
36:01little bit. And with this one, um, I'm
36:04always exploring note-taking. You know,
36:06John and I, we've done a couple of deep
36:08dives on note-taking. We're always
36:09looking for that like perfect
36:10note-taking device and that, you know,
36:12that productivity, uh, shortcut. Um, so
36:15I'm always experimenting with like
36:16note-taking methodologies, tools,
36:18processes. And, um, I'm full disclosure,
36:22I'm really interested in this concept of
36:23like second brain, but I think second
36:26brain plugged in with like AI is like
36:28really really fascinating. And so like
36:29that's a whole other topic. Um, but you
36:31can see like I'm doing some research
36:33around that like um so I've got a number
36:35of different conversations that are
36:36happening here um around specific note
36:39takingaking but um in comparing with um
36:43with Claude um I can consolidate
36:46conversations. I can add project files
36:48if I need to pull those in just like I
36:50can with the other and I can also add
36:52custom instructions. And this is how the
36:55GPT is actually going to respond to me
36:57and um how it does things like
37:00requirements gathering, how it interacts
37:02with me, outputs and formats. Um I'm not
37:04leveraging that for this particular um
37:07set of of activities, this particular
37:09project. I'm doing a lot of independent
37:11conversations and I kind of build off of
37:13those. So I'll do a little bit of
37:14research over here. um what kind of um
37:18tools does, you know, OneNote support
37:20for um uh mapping? And then I might go
37:23into a new conversation and say, well,
37:25what's this kind of method and like how
37:27could I potentially apply this in some
37:28of like the the note-taking stuff that
37:30I'm currently working with. Um so I will
37:33I'll have some projects built around
37:34that. Um I've do a lot of research
37:37through various um projects. So like I
37:40might do research around things like
37:41workshops that I'm thinking about just
37:43to generate some ideas and start
37:45brainstorming some topics and some
37:47highle outlines that I'm going to go and
37:49build content um around. It helps me to
37:51like kind of do a brain dump and get
37:53those things out and then I can manage
37:54it kind of in uh in one place. And just
37:57to tie it in with Claude, I do have the
37:58ability to pick the different models
38:00that I want to work with um inside of uh
38:02here including some of the experimental
38:04uh models. And just like John, I am
38:06paying for chat GPT as well. Um, just
38:08because I like to see what's out there
38:10and like what's on the on the on the
38:12cutting edge. Um, admittedly, I'm a
38:15little further behind when it comes to
38:17working with um with uh Gemini. Um, I
38:20don't experiment as much with Gemini,
38:23even though in the last few months,
38:25their models are starting to kind of
38:27reach the top of the of the benchmarking
38:29um charts that are out there. Um, I just
38:31don't think AI and Google immediately.
38:34um I think some of the the other ones.
38:36Um so admittedly I don't have um a whole
38:39lot of projects kind of set up over
38:40here, but I do take the same prompt and
38:44I will make an effort to try and bring
38:46it across um the three different um AIS
38:50or four if you count um co-pilot just to
38:53see what the output's going to be. Now
38:55that's really dry. Um but I do want to
38:57show you a fun one that uh that I have
38:59been experimenting with. Um, so let me
39:01actually go back to this window. And um,
39:05I'll show you this. Um, when I was in,
39:09um, like middle school, we had a kind of
39:12computer math class. And there was a,
39:15um, a mini golf game there based off of
39:17geometry. And so you'd have to like hit
39:19the ball at like a certain angle and you
39:21try to get like a hole in one or, you
39:22know, as close as you could. And I
39:24always remembered that game and I just
39:26remembered it being really fun. Um, and
39:27I remember specifically I was playing
39:29one day and like it was a direct like
39:31line to the hole, but you can never get
39:33a hole in one if you hit it direct. So I
39:36hit it backwards and bounced it and made
39:38it go, you know, um, instead of like 90
39:41degrees straight up, um, 90 degrees
39:43straight down and then it went straight
39:45back up and I got a hole in one. I'm
39:46like, this doesn't make any sense
39:47whatsoever. But I never forgot that
39:50game. And so, um, I've been using
39:52projects to experiment on creating an
39:55interactive mini golf game. And what
39:58I've actually done is I've actually, um,
40:00uh, I guess we call this vibe coding.
40:02I've vibe coded a, um, a version of the,
40:05uh, of the mini golf game and taking
40:07advantage of, um, like C-Pilot or sorry,
40:11of um, Canvas in Chad GPT and in like
40:16um, and Claude. Um, I've got a working
40:18version of this that um I can go and I
40:21can play um in the um in the canvas app.
40:24So like I can actually preview um the
40:26mini golf game um as I'm like updating
40:28it and I'm adding things like um
40:30obstacles to it and I'm like changing up
40:33like the course layout. And so like I'm
40:35able to kind of recreate that game um
40:37that I played as a as a kid.
40:41figure out the physics to like how does
40:43it like know to um drop into uh into the
40:46into the hole and like how does it know
40:48like when to like reset the course to go
40:50on to like um a new one. Um but yeah, I
40:53built a um a vibe coded um a mini golf
40:56game using um uh projects and so like
41:00every time I iterate through I start a
41:02new conversation so the previous version
41:04continues to work and then I'm able to
41:05go in and kind of experiment with like
41:07adding a new obstacle or changing like
41:10making the course wider or shorter or
41:12longer and adding multiple obstacles and
41:14bigger and smaller obstacles and like
41:16I'm learning a lot about like the
41:17development that goes in the background
41:19of this and full disclosure for anybody
41:21who's like watching this later on. Um,
41:22this is using React and Canvas inside of
41:26um of um Chad GBT, but I have the same
41:29thing that I run inside of uh Claude um
41:32just to kind of experiment. And I think
41:33I ran in in Gemini um also. So, that's
41:36been a fun little um little project for
41:38me to um to kind of figure out. And then
41:41it's been something cool to kind of play
41:43with the kids. I'm like, "Hey guys, come
41:44over here and like, you know, check this
41:45out. You guys want to like play some
41:46mini golf?" And so, like my youngest is
41:48like, "Yeah, mini golf. Let's do it."
41:50and you see sometimes there's like some
41:52run errors and things like that. But um
41:54that's been a fun little project um that
41:56I've been awesome experimenting on. So
41:59>> that's a that's a few of the things that
42:01I've been using projects for.
42:03>> That's that's pretty awesome that I like
42:05that idea of using it to like create
42:07something and kind of adding, you know,
42:10files and adding chats to around that
42:13project of creating a game or creating a
42:16piece of software. Um, I've done
42:19something a little bit like a little
42:22bit, I guess, more on rails, you know,
42:24or within, you know, kind of the
42:25confines of what I've understood
42:27projects and notebooks to be. I'll show
42:30two of my projects and then I'll show a
42:32couple of the co-pilot notebooks. Um, so
42:34starting out in the chat GBT world
42:36because that's what I've had the longest
42:39uh in in the space is um two scenarios
42:43that I've got is uh one preparing for a
42:48u uh conference that I have coming
42:55Vegas. I went to Denver. I've done
42:57before co-pilot notebooks existed. So, I
43:00made a project about that upcoming
43:02event, right? And I didn't add any files
43:05to this particular one because I was
43:07working on the ideas, right? I was
43:10working through the presentation. And
43:13what I did instead is you can leverage
43:16projects. Something that's special about
43:18projects is you can kind of ground it in
43:21how you want it to respond or I want
43:23this information to kind of be baked
43:26into the project. So, what I did is I
43:28added in like a little bit of, you know,
43:31like a persona, like, "Hey, I need you
43:33to help me plan for my conference.
43:35Here's the dates where the conference
43:37is. Here's where the hotel is. I'm going
43:39to be driving from this location, you
43:41know, so I could plan my route. I could
43:43have it help me with like stops along
43:45the way. Um, I'm going to be doing two
43:48breakout sessions." And then I put the
43:50entire abstract for the session so that
43:52that was just like part of the notebook.
43:55it knows what the topics are. And then I
43:58also put like about me, you know, hey,
44:01I'm an MVP. This is kind of the stuff
44:03that I focus on. Um, you know, I'm
44:06traveling on my own, so I don't really
44:08want to mention my employer here
44:10because, you know, I'm not there as an
44:12enterprise architect. I'm there as an
44:14MVP. So, like, it kind of would know
44:16that and it would respond properly for
44:19me. Um, and then I was able to to
44:22basically use it as kind of my assistant
44:25throughout planning the the uh
44:28conference and while I was there. So
44:30like you know whenever I was planning on
44:35um on creating the uh the slide deck I
44:40was like okay I need to like pull
44:42resources together for a resources
44:44slide. What is out there? So, it was
44:46finding me a bunch of links and I was
44:47able to put those into a reference
44:50guide. Um, this was really helpful as
44:53well. The uh where's the slide feedback?
44:56This one right here was like, okay, I'm
44:59building these slides and I've got like
45:02the concept of the slide. What do you
45:04think about it? So, I would take a
45:06picture of the slide. I would throw it
45:08into the project and then say, here's
45:10the first one. It's like, well, I like
45:11this. you know, here's some uh some
45:14stuff that you could kind of um you
45:16know, change it to make it a little bit
45:17more visually appealing. So then it kind
45:19of changed the layout for me, like,
45:21okay, good. Uh let's go with the next
45:23slide. It's kind of light, you know,
45:25what should I add into it? And it was
45:27helping me kind of fill out the the con
45:30the construction of the content. And
45:33then also because it knew what my what
45:37my presentations were going to be about,
45:40I was able to go here to uh pivot and
45:45the weekend before, the Friday before I
45:47left to go to Denver, um Microsoft
45:51unfortunately announced that Copilot
45:53Actions was going away. So, one of the
45:55things that I was going to talk about
45:57was going away. So, I was able to in the
45:59project say, you know, uh-oh, I've got
46:02this message center post. What do you
46:04think I should do? You know, how should
46:06I pivot? And it was like, you know,
46:08okay, well, why don't we talk about
46:09scheduled prompts or why don't we talk
46:10about something else? It was kind of
46:12helping me, you know, adjust to doing a
46:14different presentation instead. And it
46:17was nice because I didn't have to tell
46:19Chad GPT
46:21all about what I do and all about what
46:24my, you know, sessions are about. that
46:26was like baked into the project. So, I
46:28was able to kind of be a little bit more
46:30agile because of that. Now, the second
46:33one that I'll show uh before I leave
46:35chat GPT and talk about Copilot is um
46:39I've organized a project around my
46:42personal health. And I've got an idea to
46:44do kind of something similar with like
46:46my house. Like you move into a new house
46:49and you've got all of these like owner's
46:51manuals, right, for like the microwave
46:54and the refrigerator and the stove and
46:56the air conditioner and all this stuff.
46:58Like what if you added that to a chat
47:02GPT project or a co-pilot notebook and
47:05then you would have this kind of little
47:07rag model of everything that is related
47:10to your house. You know, hey, I need to
47:12get paint and it would just go like, you
47:14know, know what swatches there were,
47:16things like that. So, what I did with my
47:18health is I actually used files this
47:20time. I went out to Quest Diagnostics
47:23and I uploaded all of my blood work uh
47:26to the project. So, I've got like a year
47:29and a half of uh blood panels that it
47:32can know about. And then again, I went
47:35in here and I said, "Hey, you know, this
47:37is about me. I'm diabetic. I've got
47:39these conditions. Um these are the the
47:42medications I'm taking. These are my
47:44goals, right? like I want to keep my A1C
47:46below this amount. I want to get my um
47:49cholesterol down below uh 70 below or
47:52above 60 for the good cholesterol, you
47:54know. And then also like here's the
47:56stuff that like we like to eat, you
47:58know, here's where we're located. We're
47:59the middle of the country in Kansas
48:00City. Don't offer fresh seafood because
48:03we don't have, you know, fresh sushi in
48:05our area. Um you know, also like my kids
48:08are picky eaters. These are kind of the
48:09things that they like to eat. And then I
48:11can use that now to say, all right,
48:14without uploading my blood work, I was
48:17able to say like, hey, what's my what am
48:19I looking like? You know, how am I
48:21progressing? So, it kind of went through
48:23and was like, okay, based off of your
48:24goal that's in the custom instructions
48:27and then the file that I know about, the
48:30latest file is from like May 16th, you
48:33know, here's a scoring basically of
48:35everything. And it's like, all right,
48:36so, you know, you need to improve this.
48:38This is looking pretty good. this one,
48:40you know, you need to get the the good
48:41cholesterol up, you're good on your
48:43liver, you're good on these things, you
48:45know, and then start planning, drafting
48:48a plan in here. I was able to start
48:50doing like healthy lunch ideas, right?
48:52Like, hey, I want to do this. Well, you
48:54know, I know that your data is this and
48:58I know that your goal is that from the
49:00elsewhere in the project. So, I'm going
49:02to give you guidance, you know, on like
49:05different things that you can uh make
49:07for healthy lunches to try to like, you
49:09know, lower your cholesterol, things
49:11like that. So, that's something I've
49:13been using in the chat GBT world is kind
49:16of uploading my own personal data and
49:18all the data hawks will like freak out
49:20about it, but it's like, you know, I'm
49:21in control of my HIPPA data. if I want
49:23to upload my blood work, I'm going to do
49:25it, you know, and that's what I did. Um,
49:27I'm not training the model, though. I
49:29did turn that off. Um, over in the
49:32co-pilot space, I'm a little bit newer,
49:34right? So, a little bit newer to the
49:36co-pilot notebooks. I've created a
49:39couple of notebooks. I kind of shifted
49:42like the Denver thing that was in April.
49:45I moved to a co-pilot notebook
49:48workstream for the May Las Vegas trip
49:51because I got access to notebooks in our
49:53MVP tenant. So, kind of doing the same
49:56type of idea, I was able to say, you
49:59know, hey, you're my planning assistant.
50:02Here's all the information I'm going to
50:04be presenting with Andy. Here's our
50:06breakout session. Here's our uh our
50:09workshop that we're going to be doing.
50:10Give it all of that seed data basically.
50:13And then all of our planning was in loop
50:16notebooks or loop uh note pages. So
50:20every time me and Andy had a meeting, we
50:23were using facilitator. This is where
50:25like the stitching together of M365 is
50:28really helpful because you have a
50:31meeting in Microsoft Teams and it's on
50:34the topic of like the conference that's
50:36coming up. Use facilitator. It took the
50:39notes automatically. Then I went into
50:41the notebook right here. I added a
50:43reference and I would add that uh that
50:47meeting from there. So I would do like
50:50you know the uh the planning I think is
50:52what they were called like content
50:54planning. I would add the date of that
50:56meeting and now those notes are part of
50:58the notebook. Right? So you're kind of
51:01like dumping all of the meeting planning
51:03notes into it and then also I've got our
51:07actual slide deck. I'm able to link it
51:09in there. So unlike chat GPT where
51:12you're uploading the file and it's
51:14stored like inside the container, you
51:16can see here that I've kind of got like
51:19this little link icon. That's because
51:21it's living on a SharePoint. I'm just
51:23adding a reference to it. I'm not moving
51:26the actual file. So we can still
51:28collaborate on it. We can still work
51:30together with it, but the notebook is
51:32aware of it through a linking reference.
51:35And then you can see in the chat at the
51:37end of our workspace our uh our workshop
51:40I was able to say like hey summarize the
51:42workshop and it's like okay in the
51:44custom instructions I know what your
51:45workshop was called. I know the abstract
51:48and then I know all of the information
51:50in the slide deck. So it referenced the
51:52slide deck and it was able to give me
51:54like here's a rundown of the entire you
51:56know like um uh workshop that you gave.
51:59you could write a blog post about it or
52:01you could turn it in to something else
52:03and kind of reuse that content. So
52:05that's kind of the, you know,
52:07workrelated option. And then the
52:09personal thing I'm using for is uh is
52:12this um fishing concept. So I just
52:15bought a new kayak and we're trying to
52:17like get into fishing. My wife and I, we
52:20inherited like 500 lures that we don't
52:23know anything about, you know, and we're
52:25like trying to learn about it and stuff.
52:26So, I uploaded like the manuals for
52:29those things that I bought, the kayak
52:30that I bought. So, it's aware of it.
52:33Now, in the chat, I'm able to say like,
52:35"Hey, what maintenance should I do with
52:36my kayak?" And it would like go and it
52:38would grab those uh from that
52:40information. Now, this is where I ran
52:43into an issue. I went and I thought that
52:47I could click the little arrow right
52:48here and I could click a link and then I
52:52would be able to like just paste in the
52:54URL for like the the support website.
52:57However, that doesn't work. If I go to
52:59like https uh microsoft.com,
53:02you'll see it says URLs can't be added
53:05the web URLs. So, this is that thing
53:07that David said earlier is going to be
53:09coming. It's on the road map. Um, so
53:12I'll be very excited for that because
53:14now I'll just kind of be able to point
53:16it to different things and instead of
53:18like downloading the manual for my
53:20refrigerator, like maybe I could just
53:22link to it from the, you know, Whirlpool
53:24website and just have the PDF hosted by
53:27somebody else and I could link to it
53:29instead. I think that would be really
53:30nice. But that's the same type of thing.
53:33I'm basically able to say, "Hey, um, in
53:36the custom instructions, this is where
53:38I'm at. These are the lakes that we like
53:39to go to. you know, respond in this.
53:42These are these are my family and their
53:44ages, you know, so don't recommend
53:47something that like my seven-year-old
53:48can't do, right? Like try to remember
53:50that. So then I was able to go in and
53:53say, "Hey, you know, what should I do
53:55today at Watkins Mill, which is a state
53:56park that's nearby, and it was like,
53:58well, based on like I know where you're
54:00at. I can go look up the weather. I can
54:02look up the information. It was able to,
54:04you know, give me some uh ideas here as
54:07well." Now, um, that gets into the other
54:10limitation that I ran into is that you
54:14can add content, but I found that I
54:17can't, um, I can't analyze images. So,
54:21that's the other thing that I'm kind of
54:23struggling with right now is in Chat
54:26GBT, what I've done is I've taken
54:30pictures of I've got like 30 of these
54:32boxes of lures. I took a picture of it
54:35and then I asked chat GPT to like
54:37recognize what they are and tell me like
54:39when to use them, where to use them, how
54:42to use them, what they catch, things
54:43like that. Um, unfortunately in Copilot,
54:47if you're working inside the notebook,
54:50it won't analyze. So, if I open up that
54:53chat right here and I say like, "Hey,
54:55I've got a ton of these. Uh, you know,
54:57do you understand what I want?" Yes, I
54:59understand what you want me to do. Like,
55:01okay, great. Um, now here's the first
55:05one. And I added the picture and it just
55:08kept saying, "I'm sorry. I don't think I
55:10saw that image." So, that's kind of a
55:13challenge that I'm running into. But my
55:15workaround before I give it back to you,
55:17Andy, is um I was able to go in here, if
55:22I go to all conversations, maybe I can
55:23find this uh analyzing lures
55:27for that one. I just did the exact same
55:30thing and I uploaded the picture.
55:34Oh well, it that's another example of it
55:36not working. But if I did it in a
55:38regular conversation,
55:40it would work. And then what I did is I
55:42clicked the dot dot dots next to it
55:44right here. And then you can add it to a
55:47notebook later. So that that was able to
55:50like kind of add it to the knowledge
55:51base of the uh the information. However,
55:55um yeah, so that's what Joe is saying in
55:58the chat here is exactly what I did like
56:01do it in the regular chat that has more
56:04capabilities and then you can lift that
56:06chat and put it in the notebook later
56:08on. So that's my recommendation until it
56:11gets a little bit more feature
56:13functionality like analyzing images,
56:15being able to add agents and add web
56:17links. try doing your your actual
56:20chatting in the regular chat and then
56:22when you're done with it go shift it
56:24into the notebook so you get the
56:25benefits of like that rag knowledge uh
56:28for the notebook. So, I went to a lot of
56:31places there, Andy. But, um, that's
56:34that's a bit of like a kind of quasi
56:36business, like MVP type of scenario and
56:38a personal scenario for each of the
56:41solutions. And I'm kind of shifting
56:43>> my stuff. I'm trying to recreate
56:45everything over in co-pilot notebooks
56:48and just get more used to it. Something
56:50that was really helpful for me is this
56:52uh home lab. This is one where I'm not
56:54uploading pictures. I'm not, you know,
56:56um, doing a lot of advanced stuff, but
56:58it is super super useful just to get
57:01advice on my home network like, hey,
57:04I've got a Synology Naz, I've got this
57:06information, and now that's part of the
57:08notebook. So, it remembers that
57:09information. Um, and I will show one
57:13last thing is if you go into the
57:15settings for your chat, well, let me go
57:18back to the main chat. Um, as you're
57:20chatting along, there's a new feature
57:22now for co-pilot memory. So, now you can
57:25see like, hey, uh, John wants like some
57:28help, uh, organizing tackle boxes. This
57:30is the size. He's considering these
57:32things. He's considering buying this
57:34for, you know, these areas. So, it's
57:36starting to remember things about me,
57:38and I can manage that co-pilot memory in
57:42the settings as well. So,
57:46um,
57:46>> there was a great comment in the, uh,
57:48chat. I want to bring that up as you
57:50were demoing this. Emily shared that um
57:54she does projects for meal planning and
57:57admittedly I've done that as well. Um I
57:59didn't show it on the screen here. I've
58:00got a picky eater
58:01>> and so figuring out a meal plan for him
58:04it's uh it's been a little bit of a
58:06challenge but this has kind of helped to
58:08like break it up so that we're not
58:09eating chicken nuggets and French fries
58:11every single night. Um, but having like
58:14um this tool help with things like meal
58:16planning, foods that you like and you
58:18dislike, food allergies and some of the
58:20goals for that as well as I love this
58:23taking pictures of the things that you
58:25have uh and asking the meal plan. I
58:28think that's an amazing use case. So,
58:30thank you for for sharing that way.
58:32>> We can actually mock that up
58:34>> that as well. Yeah, you want to mock one
58:36of those up and just kind of show how do
58:38we create a notebook and and we'll kind
58:41of try that scenario.
58:42>> So, as we're doing this though, I think
58:45it is important that we expand. Um,
58:47we're going to focus in on Copilot for
58:49just a little while. We're Microsoft
58:50GDPs.
58:52>> Um, and a lot of this is to take what
58:54Copilot has been doing and comparing
58:56that with some of the other tools that
58:57are out there. So, as we're doing this,
58:59um, we are going to be comparing a
59:00little bit though with copilot chat as a
59:03standalone, copilot pages, and then a
59:06notebook, and then kind of like build
59:08up, um, um, into that. So, I think let's
59:10start basic with like the chat
59:12capability um, and bring the pages into
59:14the conversation and then build up into
59:16the notebook.
59:17>> So, taking like Emily's concept here, I
59:20think that's a really good example
59:22because it's something I've done, too,
59:23is like uh, and it's a fun thing to
59:26demo. So, I put in here's here's my diet
59:30situation, right? Um here's the stuff
59:32that like my wife doesn't like eggs,
59:34tomatoes. We all like Mexican food. We
59:36like sandwiches, you know, stuff like
59:38that. Um
59:40give me a uh Monday through Friday meal
59:45plan based on this info.
59:49So, this is just text based, right? I'm
59:52just doing like here's my preferences
59:54and here's that info. It updated the
59:56memory. So, see it like captured that as
59:59memory for me now. That's really cool.
1:00:02And then now it's got, okay, Monday,
1:00:04you're going to do chicken quesadillas
1:00:06um for you. Add avocado because you like
1:00:08avocados. Um, you know, use mild teriyak
1:00:11to keep it kid-friendly. So, there's
1:00:14like a really generic type of thing.
1:00:17Now, to add the picture onto it, this is
1:00:20what I like doing is a Reddit fridge
1:00:24detective. Have you ever seen this
1:00:25subreddit, Andy?
1:00:27>> I have not, but I have a feeling that I
1:00:28will soon.
1:00:29>> This is so fun. Um, so fridge detective
1:00:33is people say, uh, what does my fridge
1:00:36say about me? And they take pictures of
1:00:38their refrigerator.
1:00:40So I use this as demos and like I'm
1:00:44going to like save this image right here
1:00:47and it's in my downloads folder. That
1:00:50way now I can say, all right, I've got a
1:00:52meal plan. Um,
1:00:55uh, look at this image of my fridge and
1:00:59adjust the meal plan
1:01:02for what you see in my fridge currently.
1:01:06Uh, also give me a shopping list for the
1:01:11stuff
1:01:13you don't see that I need to buy. Right.
1:01:17So, now I can go in, I can add content.
1:01:20We're going to upload the content by
1:01:22clicking that up arrow right there. And
1:01:25then um I wonder if it'll work with a
1:01:28WEBP file. I might have to take a
1:01:29screenshot of it instead, but we'll see
1:01:32if it works. Um so now I've got that
1:01:34picture attached to my request
1:01:41based on what you already have things
1:01:42like uh yogurt, milk, juice, fresh
1:01:46produce. So, it was able to see some of
1:01:49those items inside of the refrigerator.
1:01:52And now it's got those same, you know,
1:01:55ideas, but it was able to give me um
1:01:58what I need to complete those meals as
1:02:01well. So, I could say like, you know, uh
1:02:02yeah, give me a printable list. And
1:02:05we'll see if maybe it will write some
1:02:07Python to give me like an actual PDF or
1:02:10Yeah. So, it's giving me an attachment
1:02:12here in a second. There it is. So,
1:02:14there's a PDF of my grocery list
1:02:18and I wonder what it looks like. It's
1:02:19just Yeah, it's just plain text. So,
1:02:22kind of lame, but um yeah, that's that's
1:02:25kind of taking that concept and adding
1:02:27on to it as well. Now, what we can do if
1:02:32we want to adjust this uh this menu
1:02:36right here, say that I want to make some
1:02:38changes to it, I don't have to go back
1:02:41and forth and just like only do it with
1:02:43chat. Instead, we would click this
1:02:45button right here, which is edit in
1:02:47pages. If I click that now, it's going
1:02:51to lift that response and it's going to
1:02:53move it over to an adjustable
1:02:55collaborative space. From here I can
1:02:59also give access to Andy. So I can say
1:03:03like uh you know what I want to send
1:03:05this to Andy Honeyut in our dev tenant
1:03:09and I want to make it so he can edit it.
1:03:13And then now I've got that link. I can
1:03:16go in uh to our private chat here and I
1:03:19can send that to you Andy. Oh wait
1:03:22that's uh adding content. There's the
1:03:25private chat.
1:03:27So, I can send that to you and then
1:03:28whenever Andy clicks on that link, we'll
1:03:31see his picture up here at the top. So,
1:03:33like, you know, you could send it to
1:03:34like your spouse and you could start
1:03:36working through and like, you know, uh
1:03:38yeah, like I like that add add avocado.
1:03:42Um I'm going to say uh
1:03:46buy um
1:03:48guac at the store, right? Like I don't
1:03:50want to make my own guac. I'm just going
1:03:52to buy some prepackaged stuff or
1:03:54something, right? um use fresh veggies
1:03:56like grab rice and chicken. Um
1:04:00so you can go through and you can start
1:04:02editing some of those items. You can
1:04:04like kind of take this and like
1:04:06transform it into a table if you want to
1:04:09uh do things like that to kind of start
1:04:11building out your list. Like here's
1:04:12another item. This is just um uh bullet
1:04:16points. So I'm going to change that from
1:04:19a bullet point to a checklist. Right? So
1:04:22now I can actually check those off the
1:04:24list. And because it's a Loop page, when
1:04:27I'm at the grocery store, I could bring
1:04:29up the Loop app on my phone and I could
1:04:32have that list with checkboxes on my
1:04:34phone and I could be like, you know,
1:04:36going through the store checking things
1:04:38off, which is pretty cool. Um, we can
1:04:41also go through here, Andy. This might
1:04:42be something we would want to do is
1:04:44highlight
1:04:46uh this information right here. And
1:04:50how do I get into that? updated your
1:04:52shopping list by the way for Mexican
1:04:54night on Monday.
1:04:56>> Oh, thank you. Nice mild salsa.
1:04:59>> No, no, no, no. Totally mild salsa now
1:05:01with spicy jalapeno peppers.
1:05:04>> And if you know, you know that dragons
1:05:06love tacos.
1:05:07[Laughter]
1:05:09So, in here, uh, one thing that we're
1:05:12limited on inside of the co-pilot pages
1:05:15area is we're limited in, uh, the
1:05:19ability to use co-pilot within this loop
1:05:22page. However, if I go into um the Loop
1:05:27website,
1:05:29we can pick up where we left off. So, if
1:05:31I go here, this is really helpful
1:05:33because you have like your recent items.
1:05:36If I go into recent, there's that same
1:05:38page I was working on, except now I have
1:05:40a C-pilot icon. So, I can kind of pick
1:05:43up where I left off and I can grab this
1:05:47list right here. I can rewrite with
1:05:50Copilot and say, um, organize this list
1:05:54by grocery aisle,
1:05:57right? So, like, you know, I don't want
1:05:59to zigzag all over the grocery store.
1:06:01So, instead, give me this list. Let's
1:06:03reformat it a little bit and see if we
1:06:05can build it out. There we go. So now
1:06:07Copilot has organized that by groceries.
1:06:12And again, I would want to go here and I
1:06:13just want to make it into a checklist
1:06:15again. So it kind of didn't really do
1:06:17exactly what I wanted cuz I didn't tell
1:06:18it to keep the checkboxes. But there we
1:06:21go. I'm able to like organize it by
1:06:23aisle. So and if I go back to the chat
1:06:26and we scroll down, see now it has
1:06:29organized that. That updated
1:06:30immediately, right? I'm not waiting for
1:06:32like a refresh or anything like that. So
1:06:35that's going from a chat and then
1:06:38working with the content in a page. Now
1:06:42if you wanted to like kind of create a
1:06:46meal planning notebook. So you could
1:06:48keep doing this every week. You can
1:06:51click up here at the top. You could add
1:06:53it to a notebook. So this page I could
1:06:55add the page to a notebook. I also could
1:06:58add the chat to a notebook if I wanted
1:07:00to. So, I'm gonna add the page to a
1:07:03notebook first.
1:07:05And I could add it to one of my existing
1:07:08notebooks right here. Um, but I don't
1:07:11want to do that. I don't have a notebook
1:07:12yet. So, what I'm going to do is I'm
1:07:14actually going to collapse this. We're
1:07:16going to go create a notebook. So, I'm
1:07:18going to make a new notebook. I'm going
1:07:20to call it family meal planning.
1:07:23I wonder if I can do uh
1:07:27a uh a plate, maybe
1:07:31>> a burrito,
1:07:32>> add an emoji to it, you know, try to
1:07:34make it fun, make it stand out a little
1:07:35bit. So, you're kind of adding an icon
1:07:37to your notebook. And now I could go and
1:07:41I could add this chat to the notebook.
1:07:44The way you do that is you do it with
1:07:46the dot dot dots right here. You click
1:07:48add to notebook and then I may have to
1:07:51refresh this page. Let's refresh it. Um,
1:07:57go back to our conversation.
1:07:59Add to notebook. I was probably doing it
1:08:01too fast. And
1:08:05where's my meal planning? I guess it's
1:08:08going to take a little while for it to
1:08:09show up.
1:08:11Let's try it again here.
1:08:17Am I meal playing? No.
1:08:19>> Double check and make sure it created
1:08:21your notebook.
1:08:22>> Okay. Yeah, let's check that. I think it
1:08:25did because I went to the list. Yeah,
1:08:27there it is. Oh, wait.
1:08:32Did not create or is it like doing a
1:08:34cache thing? Like a weird caching?
1:08:39It showed there for a second and then it
1:08:41like blipped away.
1:08:44>> Okay. Well, let's let's try it again.
1:08:46family meal planning. And actually this
1:08:49time when I open this up, I noticed that
1:08:51like the um the individual um
1:08:57page is already there. So I am going to
1:08:59just add that as a reference. Maybe
1:09:01it'll work better when I actually have a
1:09:03piece of content in it.
1:09:08So I could add that. It's building that
1:09:10reference uh into the notebook. This is
1:09:13where again it'd be really nice. you
1:09:14could like add a link and you know add
1:09:16like your all recipes profile or
1:09:19something like that, you know, that'd be
1:09:20pretty pretty cool to be able to do
1:09:22that. Uh, and
1:09:25is it is that link not there?
1:09:30We might be running into a little bit of
1:09:32bugginess
1:09:33with this. Okay, there we go.
1:09:35>> There you go.
1:09:36>> Yeah. So, I added it back in that way.
1:09:38And then I don't have any co-pilot chats
1:09:41yet. What I would want to do is I'd want
1:09:43to go add a chat to the notebook.
1:09:46Fingers crossed isn't going to show this
1:09:48time. There we go. Family meal planning.
1:09:52Maybe I messed it up by adding an emoji
1:09:55to it. But now under family meal
1:09:57planning, we've got not only uh that
1:10:00link, there's the the co-pilot page. It
1:10:01was a refresh issue, but in the chat,
1:10:04there's that chat that we had before.
1:10:06It's now in this location.
1:10:08Um, and what I would probably want to
1:10:11do, Andy, is I probably would want to
1:10:15uh take everything except for the Monday
1:10:18thing. I would want to copy that, go
1:10:21back to the notebook, and then add that
1:10:24into my co-pilot instructions, as well
1:10:27as other things like um always reply
1:10:30with the meal plan
1:10:35in a table format, right? So, like last
1:10:38time it did it as a um it did it as a uh
1:10:44a bulleted list. This time if I say give
1:10:46me a meal plan for uh 14 days, we'll do
1:10:52something a little bit different.
1:10:54We'll see if it comes back with a table
1:10:56if it respects that instruction that I
1:10:58gave it for uh my preference.
1:11:08Okay. So, it's avoiding certain things
1:11:10because I put that in the instructions.
1:11:12And there we go. Now, it's got a table
1:11:15format right there um for me because I
1:11:18told it I want a table.
1:11:22And you can see that like it it also
1:11:23knew about the last thing that we talked
1:11:25about, which was the familyfriendly
1:11:27meals. Uh so, it referenced that loop uh
1:11:30notebook or that loop page. and it left
1:11:34referenced it right there as well. So
1:11:36this chat is aware that it's in the
1:11:38notebook. Now the thing we've run into
1:11:40is that issue of like let me save
1:11:45this image right here.
1:11:48And um so that's who are we? We just
1:11:52cleaned it out. So, if I go in there and
1:11:54say, um,
1:11:56what's in this pick of my fridge
1:12:02and we add that, it looks like it's
1:12:04going to work, but um, chances are it's
1:12:06probably going to say that it can't, you
1:12:09know, oh, are you going to upload your
1:12:10image? It's probably going to say
1:12:12something like that. At least it did in
1:12:14the past.
1:12:16Yeah. See, I can't view images directly
1:12:18at the moment, but describe what's in
1:12:20your fridge. So that's one of those
1:12:21gaps, you know, that we would want to go
1:12:24back over here, work with it, and then
1:12:26pull it into the notebook later on. So,
1:12:30but um hopefully that shows kind of a
1:12:33progression, Andy, of what Emily was
1:12:35talking about. What we would have done
1:12:37like a year ago is just work in chat
1:12:39GPT. Maybe you would have made a custom
1:12:42GPT in um inside of Copilot. You could
1:12:47go create an agent and you could use
1:12:49agent builder, you know, to create that.
1:12:52But like if I want to remember the
1:12:55things that I had last week or the
1:12:57things that I said, "Hey, I really like
1:12:59this. I really like that." If I work
1:13:01with it in a notebook, it's going to be
1:13:03kind of a living container where if I
1:13:07was doing it with a custom agent, an
1:13:09agent builder agent, I would have to go
1:13:12in and I would have to say, "Go edit the
1:13:15agent and tell the agent, I really liked
1:13:17what we had on Wednesday night. These
1:13:19quesadillas were really good. Make that
1:13:21a favorite of mine." You know, I'd have
1:13:23to like bake that into the instructions
1:13:25for the agent. If it's in a notebook,
1:13:28that would be in the body, the c the,
1:13:30you know, content corpus of the
1:13:33notebook. So, I would have that
1:13:35information already. I wouldn't have to
1:13:37like go manually put it somewhere. So,
1:13:39that would be really helpful.
1:13:43Um, all right. So, what we have in the
1:13:46chat here? We got Joe
1:13:48talking about, uh, glad we attended
1:13:51this. I have a notebook users since the
1:13:54original beta. Um,
1:13:58awesome, Joe. I'm glad that it's uh that
1:13:59it's helpful for you. Um, you know, I
1:14:02think it's really nice like the notebook
1:14:05concept rather than thinking of it as
1:14:07taking notes like you would in a
1:14:09OneNote, I'm thinking of it as
1:14:11collecting junk into a a space so that I
1:14:15can use it later on. And um, that's more
1:14:18my style of taking notes these days. I'm
1:14:21kind of, you know, I'm not in like
1:14:23college anymore. I'm not in academics,
1:14:25so I'm not like hardcore taking notes of
1:14:28like what a professor is saying, right?
1:14:30Um I like the idea of like we've got AI
1:14:33now. Let facilitator do that for me, you
1:14:37know, take my notes for me and then pull
1:14:39it in and then I can ask about those
1:14:41notes, right? Um, so I think that's a
1:14:45huge benefit once you stitch together
1:14:48the meeting concept and the the artic,
1:14:51you know, the asset that comes out of it
1:14:52is a loop notebook or a loop page.
1:14:55Adding that to a container about the
1:14:57project you're working on kind of
1:14:59marries those concepts together.
1:15:01>> Absolutely.
1:15:02>> The only thing we're missing really,
1:15:03Andy, is just I want to take that and I
1:15:05want to share that entire, you know,
1:15:08project.
1:15:09>> So it's like I'm not in a meeting by
1:15:10myself. I'm in a meeting with you. Let's
1:15:12put the notes together and we can both
1:15:14chat about it, you know.
1:15:18Um, okay. So, that's kind of the basics
1:15:20of like we've talked about our use
1:15:23cases, some of the things we've done
1:15:24with Copilot notebooks. We've talked
1:15:27about some of the um like mechanics of
1:15:30using it, right? How to create it, how
1:15:32to add something to it, uh how to have a
1:15:35new chat. The new chat is up here at the
1:15:37top. when you use this bar at the top,
1:15:40you're basically adding a new chat to
1:15:43this container down here at the bottom.
1:15:46So, that's how you you add something um
1:15:49on the fly. But we talked about adding
1:15:52old things like this is a Docker Swarm
1:15:54thing. I can add that. So, it's already
1:15:57in another notebook. Um I would have to
1:16:00take it out of my home lab notebook and
1:16:02move it to another one. But you can like
1:16:04go through and you can select different
1:16:05notebooks
1:16:07for that. Um, we talked about some of
1:16:09the wish list items that I have like one
1:16:13uh soon we're going to get the ability
1:16:16to add uh agents to the notebook and
1:16:19I'll just show you guys that message
1:16:21center post. So here it is. It's uh 40
1:16:25493288
1:16:28is the uh the message center. Let me
1:16:30zoom in on this.
1:16:33And it's basically saying that uh you'll
1:16:35be able to use re researcher without
1:16:37leaving the co-pilot notebook. So you'll
1:16:39be able to toggle that on and use that.
1:16:42Uh the roll out it says is going to
1:16:43start in July. Um so hopefully by the
1:16:46end of this month um but it is still in
1:16:48development uh right there. So you know
1:16:51maybe not hold our breath a little bit
1:16:53but that will be very welcome to be able
1:16:55to use the researching capabilities.
1:16:58Um, notebook sharing. I haven't seen
1:17:01anything about uh if notebooks are going
1:17:03to be sharable in the future. So that's
1:17:05kind of an unknown. Still a wish list
1:17:07item for me.
1:17:08>> I checked the road map and there's
1:17:10nothing on the road map about that
1:17:11currently.
1:17:11>> Yeah. So there's nothing out there
1:17:12publicly about that. Um, another thing
1:17:16before we talk about, you know, the
1:17:18notebook LM style of like doing audio
1:17:21overviews, the last thing I would like
1:17:24to kind of request is I really would
1:17:27like to add other items to uh the
1:17:30notebook other than just files. So like
1:17:33if I'm in a notebook and say I've got
1:17:35this notebook about this conference that
1:17:37we're we're working on, I can go into
1:17:39add content and I'm basically I can just
1:17:41do files, right? Right. I could do loop
1:17:43files, PDFs, Word, PowerPoint, Excel
1:17:47documents, and I can do stuff like that.
1:17:50It would be really nice if I could add
1:17:52um entire meetings to the the thing. So,
1:17:56if I could associate a meeting and it
1:17:58would have the notes, the shared files,
1:18:00and the people that were in the meeting,
1:18:02if it was like aware of that and aware
1:18:04of like the meeting recap. So if I could
1:18:06add that object entirely to it.
1:18:09Unfortunately, it's just aware of like
1:18:11the files uh that were in the meeting.
1:18:13And then it would be really nice also if
1:18:16I could add uh people to like the
1:18:19reference material. So I could say like
1:18:21this is a project about X Y and Z. Add
1:18:24people to it and it would like you know
1:18:26say like here's the roster of people who
1:18:29are associated with the project. This
1:18:31guy's the project manager. These two
1:18:32people are the tech leads. this is the
1:18:34you know product manager for it. Um I
1:18:37would be able to kind of say who's who
1:18:39so that whenever I'm asking like for a
1:18:41strategy or I'm asking for like you know
1:18:44um like hey who should I invite to such
1:18:46and such meeting about this topic it
1:18:48would know who plays what role and it
1:18:50could kind of help me with who to
1:18:52include or not include in a meeting. I
1:18:54think that would be really cool as well.
1:18:56So if it was a little bit more people
1:18:58centric. Um, I kind of just want like a
1:19:00wider graph view of the reference
1:19:02material would be really nice.
1:19:06Um, anything you've run into, Andy, with
1:19:09your uh, experience with co-pilot
1:19:11notebooks
1:19:13adding pre-existing conversations.
1:19:16So,
1:19:16>> Teams chats,
1:19:18>> um, no um, co-pilot conversations like
1:19:21Okay. So, if the conversation is a
1:19:24little bit older, if it doesn't show up
1:19:26in that lefthand navigation right over
1:19:28there, um finding those older
1:19:30conversations and being able to bring
1:19:32those into some of my notebooks has been
1:19:34uh a challenge.
1:19:36>> Mhm.
1:19:37>> So, I think that's something that's area
1:19:39of opportunity to to be addressed.
1:19:42>> Yeah. And one thing I've noticed here,
1:19:43so like I'm just kind of scrolling
1:19:44through all conversations, there's
1:19:47everything. And you can see if it's in a
1:19:49notebook, you see this little notebook
1:19:51icon. But like this is not uh in my list
1:19:55of conversations. I click on that.
1:19:58There's no add to notebook there. So
1:20:00those older conversations.
1:20:02>> I wonder though if I go up here,
1:20:05I can't Yeah, I can't add it to the
1:20:08notebook. That's the chat settings,
1:20:09isn't it?
1:20:10>> Okay. Well, yeah, that would be really
1:20:12nice.
1:20:13Now, I do want to share one positive use
1:20:17case, and I I completely um missed on
1:20:20this um until you started demoing the uh
1:20:23M365 conference workshop. So, if you'll
1:20:25bring that one back up.
1:20:27>> Sure.
1:20:28>> Already sharing. Um, we did all of our
1:20:31planning here and um, like well I mean
1:20:34you were keeping things running here in
1:20:36the notebook but like we did all of our
1:20:38planning through a combination of teams
1:20:39meetings with recordings using a
1:20:41facilitator to take notes for us
1:20:43automatically that created co-pilot
1:20:45pages loop pages that we could quickly
1:20:48recap and reference as we were moving
1:20:49along um, individually
1:20:52uh, asynchronously or when we were um,
1:20:54meeting together. You also uh included
1:20:57some of the content that we created,
1:20:59PowerPoint presentation and uh and other
1:21:01content. And then you had the ability to
1:21:03go back in and ask co c co-pilot um
1:21:06follow-up questions. I got this idea
1:21:08after we finished the conference and I
1:21:11experimented with it at TechCon 365 in
1:21:14Seattle. Um our friend Daniel Christian
1:21:16and I co-presented a workshop there that
1:21:18was very similar to what we had uh we
1:21:20had done. It's a day in the life of
1:21:21co-pilot. And um as we were doing our
1:21:25planning meetings, we were recording
1:21:26those meetings and there were times in
1:21:28those meetings with Daniel where I was
1:21:29completely off the keyboard and just
1:21:31back and we were letting facilitator uh
1:21:33run and then when it was over I went
1:21:35back and I had co-pilot build the
1:21:38outline based off of what Daniel and I
1:21:39had actually talked about in a document
1:21:41and then five minutes later Daniel had
1:21:43an outline as a word document and we
1:21:45were able to both work from that. Uh,
1:21:47and then I started organizing it,
1:21:48putting it together in some uh in some
1:21:50notebooks. But at the actual conference,
1:21:53um, I had the idea based off of a demo
1:21:56that you and I had done and then Daniel
1:21:57and I had done um, we recorded a team's
1:22:01meeting and we did the back and forth
1:22:03conversation in the Teams meeting and
1:22:05then we had facilitator uh, running. But
1:22:08the idea was it'd be really cool to use
1:22:11this as a way to recap this actual
1:22:13session that people are in. Use this to
1:22:14recap my breakout session. And so for
1:22:17the rest of TechCon, what I did was
1:22:20every time I delivered a session, I had
1:22:22a team's meeting running in the
1:22:23background capturing my screen and my
1:22:25audio
1:22:26>> and it was recording that to facilitator
1:22:29and when people would ask me questions
1:22:31during the workshop, I would repeat the
1:22:33question out loud and then make the uh
1:22:36the answer or I would say that's a good
1:22:37item for followup. I'm going to add that
1:22:39to my action items. And so when the
1:22:41session was over, I was able to go back
1:22:43in because I had a transcription and I
1:22:46was able to create an FAQ based off of
1:22:49the session and I knew what I needed to
1:22:51follow up on like afterward. And so
1:22:53notebooks allows us another way to bring
1:22:56that together. So from a trainer
1:22:58perspective, notebooks are a gamecher
1:23:00because I can create my content, put it
1:23:03in the notebook. I can have my planning
1:23:05calls and my prep calls, put them in the
1:23:07notebook. I can have conversations and
1:23:10dig into certain topics and put them in
1:23:12the notebook. But I can also record the
1:23:14session with consent
1:23:16>> and take the transcription that's a word
1:23:19document and put it in the notebook. And
1:23:22then I can use co-pilot to ask questions
1:23:24of that session that I delivered,
1:23:27feedback, areas of opportunity, create
1:23:29FAQs, answered questions, unanswered
1:23:32questions,
1:23:33>> and I can send that to a co-pilot page
1:23:36and I can put it in the notebook. And
1:23:38now I'm building out a repository
1:23:41of all the things related to that
1:23:44particular breakout session or that
1:23:46training class. and I can go back and I
1:23:49can very quickly update content based
1:23:51off of feedback or questions. Uh, a
1:23:55trainer trick is to try and remember to
1:23:58um um anticipate questions and answers.
1:24:01Well, now I just captured a couple of
1:24:03these sessions and I can very quickly go
1:24:05back through Copilot and say, "Hey,
1:24:07these last three sessions had some
1:24:09outstanding questions." Pull all those
1:24:11questions together, consolidate based
1:24:13off a topic or overlap. um organized and
1:24:16let's look at the existing content that
1:24:18I have and let's create a plan to go
1:24:19back and update my content.
1:24:21>> That process manually takes hours. With
1:24:25this, it literally takes minutes. Within
1:24:2715 minutes of wrapping up a session,
1:24:29bam, I got everything that I need and I
1:24:31am off and running.
1:24:33>> Um and so,
1:24:34>> so here's kind of showing that what you
1:24:36were talking about, Andy. Like I went
1:24:39into one of these meetings from like the
1:24:41middle of June, went to the transcript,
1:24:43hit download and downloaded as a doc
1:24:45file and then yeah, we could add that uh
1:24:50document. Sorry, I keep flipping. This
1:24:52is the word document right here for the
1:24:54transcript. So that's in my downloads
1:24:56folder. I could just go right here,
1:24:59upload, and then I could upload that
1:25:01transcript. And now you've got the raw
1:25:03transcript uh as part of the notebook.
1:25:06So that's what Andy's talking about like
1:25:08you could take the full transcript and
1:25:10kind of stick it into the file the not
1:25:12the notebook. Sorry I'm mixing up my
1:25:15words.
1:25:15>> And if you want don't want to do the the
1:25:18full transcript if you've got co-pilot
1:25:20like you've got re uh here in recap
1:25:22there's co-pilot on the sidebar you can
1:25:24use co-pilot and you can create things
1:25:27like um
1:25:29>> you know the FAQ based off of the
1:25:31conversation. You can generate your
1:25:33meeting notes and then we can take that
1:25:34and put that into
1:25:37a loop page and then we can bring that
1:25:39into notebook.
1:25:40>> Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And like our
1:25:42notes are right here.
1:25:45There's the the notes from you know the
1:25:48uh the notes from the um the meeting.
1:25:52Yeah.
1:25:52>> And we could take that and we could uh
1:25:54click on it here to open it in the
1:25:55browser. There's the the session.
1:25:59And then um I could I could take it and
1:26:02add it to the notebook which I can't do
1:26:06it from this interface, right?
1:26:09Lock page rename and restyle. Okay. So
1:26:12what I would do is I would like go find
1:26:14that uh that in the uh
1:26:19in in like the add reference area you
1:26:22can search for things. So like add
1:26:24reference and then I do like co-pilot
1:26:27planning. There's all the files right
1:26:29there. And that was from which date?
1:26:33616.
1:26:36So maybe I'll have it here. 6 616 right
1:26:39there.
1:26:40>> So now I've added that that loop page to
1:26:43the notebook as well as a item. So yeah,
1:26:47that's that's a way that you can kind of
1:26:49pull it in as well.
1:26:51And what we're we're really building
1:26:53around here is actually what I've
1:26:55experienced as the number one use case
1:26:58for Microsoft 365 copilot and that's
1:27:01meetings.
1:27:02>> The the number one um by far is meeting
1:27:06notes and meeting references. So if you
1:27:08think about using notebooks in this
1:27:10capacity, now you've got your meeting
1:27:12notes, you can have the transcript, you
1:27:14can have the files that are related to
1:27:16it, you can have um co-pilot generated
1:27:20FAQs and things like that. And now you
1:27:22have a notebook that's dedicated to all
1:27:24things meetings or a specific type of
1:27:26meeting or a specific series of
1:27:28meetings. And that's that one-stop shop
1:27:30for you to be able to use Copilot to
1:27:32very quickly narrow down to just that
1:27:34meeting and its topics and be able to
1:27:36prep you for the next meeting, recap
1:27:38based off of the previous meetings, um,
1:27:40and look for, uh, trends. And as a
1:27:42technical trainer, that's huge for me.
1:27:44That's the an amazing game changer. So,
1:27:46I love the notebook feature in this
1:27:48capacity because we're building off the
1:27:50number one use case and we're doing
1:27:52something more than just generating
1:27:54meaning notes. Now we're creating
1:27:55actionable content that we can go and
1:27:57reuse as other parts of our workflow.
1:27:59And now we're starting to see
1:28:00significant time returned back to our
1:28:02our daily processes.
1:28:05So to shift a little bit to one of the
1:28:07more exciting features that like the
1:28:09users are are super stoked about with uh
1:28:12notebooks. Have you seen this road map
1:28:14item Andy? The co-pilot can generate
1:28:18audio overviews of your meetings. Have
1:28:20you seen that one yet?
1:28:21>> Mhm. So, this is coming in August
1:28:23according to the the public road map,
1:28:25but this is kind of what Andy was
1:28:27talking about like I wish I could like,
1:28:29you know, do a podcast version of like
1:28:32the meeting, you know, record an entire
1:28:34session of my conference or something
1:28:36and then be able to like drill it down
1:28:38and and summarize it audiobased that is
1:28:41actually coming. Um, so soon you guys
1:28:44will be able to um to select how you
1:28:48want to listen to it. if you want one
1:28:50speaker or two speakers, if you want
1:28:52them to go back and forth and um you'll
1:28:54be able to select one or multiple
1:28:56meetings and uh be able to listen back
1:29:01to a summary of those meetings and
1:29:03that's the audio overview. Now, if you
1:29:06want to get a taste of what that
1:29:08experience sounds like today, it's built
1:29:11into the Copilot notebooks as well. So,
1:29:14if I want to, I can go in the top of any
1:29:18of these notebooks and I can click the
1:29:20little headphones at the top and that
1:29:22will generate a audio overview of the
1:29:26entirety of the notebook. So, if I go
1:29:29here and I hit generating audio, it
1:29:31takes up to two minutes. So, it says
1:29:33down here at the bottom that it's
1:29:35pulling in all the information. It's
1:29:37building the audio overview for me.
1:29:41And then I'm gonna try here
1:29:46if if it comes up here. I'm gonna see if
1:29:49I can maybe pipe my audio through the um
1:29:53the thing here. So, let me let me bring
1:29:56up my wave link software.
1:29:59See if I can get this working. So, uh
1:30:03configure wavelink.
1:30:08So, I've got my microphone right here.
1:30:10I'm going to add
1:30:13a uh a new one. And I'm going to add
1:30:16Microsoft Edge.
1:30:19I hope that this
1:30:21might work. Um,
1:30:24okay. So, there's Microsoft Edge. I'm
1:30:26not seeing anything come through. So,
1:30:28I'm going to change my microphone
1:30:31to my
1:30:33Wavelink stream. You can still hear me,
1:30:35Andy?
1:30:37>> Little loud, but yes.
1:30:38>> Okay. A little bit loud. All right. Let
1:30:40me try to turn adjusted.
1:30:44>> Okay.
1:30:44>> Okay. Cool.
1:30:47Okay. So, I saw audio come back through
1:30:49here. So, you guys might have heard an
1:30:50echo come through, but um in a moment
1:30:54I'm going to mute my browser. Uh in a
1:30:57moment, we should see here um uh the
1:31:02ability to play the audio overview.
1:31:11Can you hear that through my microphone?
1:31:14>> No.
1:31:15>> No.
1:31:21Let's see here.
1:31:25Um,
1:31:28settings, audio.
1:31:29>> Yeah, there is a lot to unpack.
1:31:32>> Okay. Absolutely.
1:31:35So, it was the um the issue was my noise
1:31:39cancellation on my microphone. So, let
1:31:42me go back to the beginning here and I'm
1:31:45going to hit play so you guys can hear
1:31:49what the voices sound like.
1:31:56>> Can you hear it?
1:31:58>> No, we lost it. Oh,
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1:32:22John Moore and Andy Honeyut, both
1:32:23Microsoft most valuable professionals.
1:32:26give us not just a technical landscape
1:32:28but also the behind the scenes look at
1:32:29how you can use co-pilot agent driven
1:32:30automation and creative prompt
1:32:31engineering to get real work done
1:32:33>> right isn't just about fancy new
1:32:35features
1:32:35>> so you kind of get the gist there I'm
1:32:37going to mute the browser again um you
1:32:39kind of get the gist there like it's a
1:32:41back and forth there's a male voice and
1:32:42a female voice kind of going back and
1:32:44forth as a podcast and I can click keep
1:32:47it and then this is a a new button
1:32:50actually I haven't seen that keep a
1:32:52button before but now it is kept in that
1:32:56notebook. Um, so whenever I go out of it
1:32:59and I go back into it, like I'm in my
1:33:02home lab right now, go back in there, it
1:33:05says play audio. That's that audio
1:33:07overview. So I don't have to regenerate
1:33:08it. Now, if I want to say I add a bunch
1:33:12of stuff to this notebook, I can click
1:33:14regenerate right here and then it will
1:33:16go through that two-minute process again
1:33:18and pull the new information uh as well.
1:33:21But that's a pretty powerful feature.
1:33:23you can basically create a podcast based
1:33:26off of, you know, the entirety of the
1:33:29notebook. Um, a couple things that that
1:33:33I've, you know, are on my wish list and
1:33:35I see David has listed a few things are
1:33:38coming soon. So, like references, like
1:33:41more references are coming, sharing is
1:33:43coming and then he mentioned new audio
1:33:45overview features are coming. Um my hope
1:33:48and I don't have any like you know
1:33:50roadmap info about this but I'm hoping
1:33:52that um we'll be able to like maybe
1:33:55adjust that overview a little bit cuz
1:33:58right now it it basically just you click
1:34:01a button and it generates what it thinks
1:34:03it needs. Right? So it's over the
1:34:05entirety of the the notebook and this
1:34:07time it generated like 9 and a half
1:34:09minutes. I've had ones where it's
1:34:11randomly done like 12 minutes, one where
1:34:13it's done like six minutes. But um the
1:34:16ability to kind of adjust the length
1:34:18would be really nice. Uh maybe the tone.
1:34:21And then I would like if I could like
1:34:23generate and put in a um a uh a prompt.
1:34:28So it's like, hey, I don't need it about
1:34:30the entirety of the notebook. Instead,
1:34:33generate a 10-minute podcast between a
1:34:36male and a female voice with um on the
1:34:39topic of like if I go back to my home
1:34:42lab, like I've got everything in here.
1:34:44I've got home networking. I've got, you
1:34:46know, uh, storage info, things like
1:34:49that. Maybe I want to create a podcast
1:34:52just about Docker Swarm options, right?
1:34:55And I don't want everything else about
1:34:58like my Mac setup and my Pi Hole DNS
1:35:02setup, but I only want to know about
1:35:04Docker. You know, it'd be it'd be good
1:35:06if we could configure that. And we see
1:35:08that David says there's some
1:35:09configuration options coming soon. Um,
1:35:12so we'll we'll keep an eye on the
1:35:15roadmap. If you guys go to it's
1:35:17roadmap.office.com.
1:35:20Um, probably the thing I would look for
1:35:23is either the word notebook or uh audio
1:35:26overview if you're especially
1:35:29curious about this option, audio
1:35:32overview. That's where I found that
1:35:33Teams meeting option. So, and in the
1:35:36meeting uh thing, it says you're going
1:35:38to be able to select the speakers you
1:35:40want. select the the tone and the
1:35:43length. So, there's some, you know,
1:35:45configuration coming there. I think
1:35:47we're probably going to see that uh as
1:35:49well. So, actually later today, he said
1:35:51they're hoping to have some more items
1:35:54on that audio overview area. So, we'll
1:35:56keep you guys up to date, maybe add that
1:35:58to the the video description as well.
1:36:02>> I will.
1:36:02>> So, have you used audio overview yet,
1:36:04Andy?
1:36:04>> I have. I have. I will give a public
1:36:07heart out for that one. Thank you.
1:36:09looking forward to some more of those
1:36:11those features. I love where notebook's
1:36:12at now. I'm I'm really curious to see
1:36:15where it's going to go. But like some of
1:36:17what you've just mentioned,
1:36:18>> um some new options coming some more on
1:36:21like sharing and references. Oh, that is
1:36:23awesome news. I'm really really excited
1:36:26to hear that.
1:36:28>> I am too. One thing that that I also
1:36:30hoping for is the ability to to export
1:36:32or share the audio overview. I'm sure
1:36:34that's probably on the short list. Um a
1:36:36real world scenario. So, I've actually
1:36:38done audio overview in my day job. And
1:36:41the story is we put together a uh a
1:36:44technology interlock that we do between
1:36:46all of our different technologies
1:36:48groups. They come and they talk about
1:36:50what they're going to do over the next
1:36:51fiscal year. It's a way to kind of
1:36:53strategically align. Um what we did is
1:36:57we used C-pilot to take notes and then I
1:37:00took those notes, I transformed them
1:37:02into SharePoint pages and I I used
1:37:04Copilot to create SharePoint pages. I
1:37:07bundled up the pages, the uh notes and
1:37:11the slide deck. It was like 130 slides.
1:37:14Put it into a notebook. Then I got an
1:37:16audio overview and it took the three
1:37:18days of meetings and all the notes and
1:37:21everything. It condensed it down to a
1:37:2315minute podcast. Then what I did is I
1:37:26shared that podcast around. Right now if
1:37:30I if I click on that or I go to play the
1:37:32audio, there's no share option uh at
1:37:35this time currently. If I pause this,
1:37:37there's no uh sharing. You can just
1:37:39delete the audio overview. But if you do
1:37:41it in one drive, you can like yeah
1:37:43actually share. What I did is I opened
1:37:46up Camtasia and I actually recorded my
1:37:49um my browser audio and I played through
1:37:53the podcast and then I was able to save
1:37:54it to Microsoft Stream. That way I ended
1:37:58up sharing the audio overview by
1:37:59basically lifting the audio
1:38:02>> uh out as well. So, um, yeah, that's a
1:38:05good point, David, is if you guys have
1:38:08feedback on these things, be sure to do
1:38:10like the thumbs up and thumbs down right
1:38:12here. So, you're sending feedback
1:38:14directly to the product group as well.
1:38:15>> You're behind. Try that again. Show
1:38:18where the thumbs up is
1:38:19>> right here in the lower corner. There's
1:38:20a thumbs up and thumbs down.
1:38:22>> It's right behind.
1:38:22>> Be sure to click those.
1:38:25>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so you can click on that
1:38:28and you can tell them what you like
1:38:30about it or what you don't like about
1:38:31it. and uh send information directly to
1:38:34Microsoft that way. Um, audio overview I
1:38:38would say is one of those the there's a
1:38:41category of new features that's like
1:38:43there's core co-pilot functionality and
1:38:45it's kind of like table stakes right
1:38:47like the having notebooks having agents
1:38:50having deep research these other things
1:38:53like facilitator and I would add audio
1:38:56overview these are the things that's
1:38:58like the the wow features you know
1:39:02they're not like um you know you must
1:39:05have this feature in order to you know
1:39:08use the product or not use the product
1:39:10but they kind of they add that like
1:39:12differentiator to it in the market. Um,
1:39:15facilitator is a success story from my
1:39:18perspective in Microsoft made something
1:39:21that was really helpful and they had an
1:39:23idea, they added this, now you have a
1:39:25facilitator in your meeting and then
1:39:28they've doubled down on it quickly,
1:39:29right? It used to be it just took notes.
1:39:32Now it takes notes and it adds uh
1:39:35helpful things in the chat as you go and
1:39:37then there's more things on the road map
1:39:39for facilitator and they're iterating
1:39:41quickly on it. audio overview. I think
1:39:44it's another one of those features where
1:39:46it's really prime for rapid iteration to
1:39:50be like, okay, we're not just gonna
1:39:52catch up to like some of the other
1:39:53things we've seen out there, but like
1:39:55let's leapfrog in some creative ways,
1:39:57you know, like publishing it to
1:39:59SharePoint site or leveraging um some of
1:40:02the different Microsoft integrations and
1:40:04hooks so that, you know, you could like
1:40:07uh use that audio overview and kind of
1:40:09tune it, things like that. Um, I'm
1:40:11hoping to see really fast iteration
1:40:14because it's one of those like uh it's
1:40:16like the cherry on top type of a feature
1:40:18where it's like, oh my gosh, this just
1:40:20like adds that much more cool factor to
1:40:23a really functional feature overall,
1:40:26which is the notebook. you add the audio
1:40:28overview onto it and it's like okay now
1:40:30this is like really really cool because
1:40:32it's kind of meshing what I love about a
1:40:34few other products together into
1:40:36something that also is aware of my
1:40:38meetings and my other stuff in 365. So,
1:40:42>> you know, I'm a big fan of the Reader
1:40:44app, and my favorite feature in the
1:40:46Reader app is not that it consolidates
1:40:48all of my sources of content that I'm
1:40:50interested in, but it's that it gives me
1:40:52the ability to have an audio replay of
1:40:54that content, so I can do things like
1:40:58drive and listen to, you know, one of
1:41:00the blog posts that I captured. Well,
1:41:02this is starting to do the same thing
1:41:04for my work content. So, I'm able to
1:41:06take that work thing and I can listen to
1:41:08it in a in a as I'm on the go, as I'm um
1:41:11out and about, as I'm, you know,
1:41:13interacting um or or working on like
1:41:16other other content, I can have that
1:41:17kind of like playing uh in the
1:41:19background. And so, I really love that
1:41:20uh we're seeing not only the audio
1:41:22overview here, but I know we had this as
1:41:24a um
1:41:26>> as one of the things um in our notes.
1:41:28Um, you've got the one drive audio
1:41:30overview and I think it's important that
1:41:32we show that feature as well. Um, while
1:41:35we're here,
1:41:36>> um, this is generally available. I've
1:41:38seen it in in all of my tenants. Um, but
1:41:41as John's pulling this up on the screen,
1:41:43we're actually able to go in to your
1:41:45files inside of one drive. uh we'll be
1:41:48able to browse to a file like a word
1:41:49document and um you'll be able to um
1:41:53hover over um find the co-pilot option
1:41:56and then uh go to a yeah word document.
1:42:00>> Yeah, it's a word document. Sorry.
1:42:01>> Yeah. So yeah, go to one of those.
1:42:03>> So here we go. A thing about wind farms
1:42:05like a totally fake word document.
1:42:07>> Y
1:42:08>> but there's the audio
1:42:09>> audio overview.
1:42:12And this one, it's got that little bit
1:42:14extra on it where like from here, I
1:42:16think you're able to share the audio
1:42:18overview, aren't you? After it generates
1:42:20it. Oh, you can switch to a podcast
1:42:23style. You can get the transcript of the
1:42:25overview. See how like we're kind of
1:42:26seeing some things come out, you know,
1:42:28in these other spaces. And hopefully
1:42:30we're going to see them all unify.
1:42:32>> And I've I've long worked with Azure
1:42:35cognitive services. I've done um a
1:42:37number of like demos using cognitive
1:42:39services. um things like um sentiment
1:42:43analysis. I've used the uh voice
1:42:45generator tools to create some like fake
1:42:48conversations to use as like uh
1:42:51advertise conferences and things like
1:42:53that. They're bringing a lot of that
1:42:55research and that into the Microsoft 365
1:42:58suite and co-pilot which is awesome. Um
1:43:00I really like seeing some of that stuff.
1:43:02That's where like their image generator
1:43:05um image um recognizer tools came from.
1:43:07A lot of that was um Azure cognitive
1:43:09services. So, we're seeing that over
1:43:10here. Um, there's one more thing on this
1:43:12audio overview though that's pretty
1:43:14cool. Um, we're seeing this like in one
1:43:16drive. So, we click on my files and we
1:43:18can see it there. But, can you actually
1:43:20open the word document in your web
1:43:21browser?
1:43:22>> Yeah, sure. I did want to point out real
1:43:24quick, check this out.
1:43:26>> Uh, I I clicked and moved it and it
1:43:29undocked the player.
1:43:30>> Yeah.
1:43:31>> So, I can actually move it around. I did
1:43:33I didn't know you could do that. Okay.
1:43:34So, let's open up the Word document.
1:43:36>> Yep. So, it's in the web version of Word
1:43:39right now.
1:43:40>> Word on the web. And go to the Copilot
1:43:42sidebar.
1:43:43>> Yep.
1:43:44>> And then when this opens, one of the
1:43:46options you're going to see is generate
1:43:47an audio overview from this document.
1:43:50It's the right second one.
1:43:52>> Yep.
1:43:53>> So, you can even do this in Office for
1:43:54the Web with the document being open.
1:43:57Now, I haven't checked to see if I can
1:43:58do this in the Office desktop app yet.
1:44:00Um, I actually just discovered this um
1:44:03feature this week as I was um doing some
1:44:05research on some of the new audio
1:44:07overview features. I mean, this stuff is
1:44:09like recently released hot off the
1:44:10press. I'm still trying to figure out
1:44:12all the places that it shows up, but
1:44:14yeah, it's showing up here side by side
1:44:15with the actual document.
1:44:17>> Yep. Yeah. And there there's options
1:44:20were showing up. There was like a save
1:44:22to one drive option uh back over here.
1:44:25Um I did notice that like while it's
1:44:27generating, see there's not like a stop
1:44:28time. So, I think you got to get to the
1:44:30end of it and then you'll be able to do
1:44:32that save to one drive. That's where it
1:44:34will lift the audio file and you could
1:44:36save it and share it like any other
1:44:37file.
1:44:38>> Um, there it is. So, it's 7 minutes long
1:44:40for that audio overview. Now, I could
1:44:43click save to one drive and let's see
1:44:46where it saved it.
1:44:49So, it's currently saving a 7 minute
1:44:52audio file basically.
1:44:54And then open in one drive and let's see
1:44:57where it went. So it went into my files.
1:45:00It created a new folder called podcast
1:45:02downloads and then it is a MP3 file
1:45:08right there.
1:45:10So from there I would able to just click
1:45:12share and I could share it like any
1:45:14other file or I could move it to like a
1:45:16shareepoint you know if you want to
1:45:18click on this and hit move to you could
1:45:21go basically publish it over to a
1:45:22SharePoint site if you want to to make
1:45:24it public
1:45:26>> within your organization. go back to the
1:45:27actual word document and
1:45:30>> um just briefly are you able to play the
1:45:33audio and compare it with the actual
1:45:35document?
1:45:36>> Yeah, let me do that. So, I'm going to
1:45:37turn on my browser.
1:45:40>> You diving into wind farms, those
1:45:42sweeping installations of turbines that
1:45:44are becoming a familiar part of
1:45:46landscapes all over the world. Today,
1:45:48we're going to unravel what makes wind
1:45:50farms tick, the pros and cons, and take
1:45:52a closer look at where things might be
1:45:54headed.
1:45:55Hey there. That's right. Whether you've
1:45:58driven past rows of giant white turbines
1:46:00or noticed them off.
1:46:01>> So, it did that as uh two different
1:46:04people.
1:46:04>> Yeah.
1:46:05>> So, it did it as a podcast style.
1:46:07>> When we were back over here
1:46:09>> and we were generating an audio
1:46:11overview. Um it was switch to podcast
1:46:14style. So, inside of One Drive, you're
1:46:16able to to toggle back and forth. Um and
1:46:19again, I'm pretty sure that this is just
1:46:21going to take a little bit of time. I'm
1:46:23sure over like a coming months we're
1:46:24going to see the same buttons across all
1:46:26the interfaces, you know. Um, but that's
1:46:31pretty cool to be able to do it right in
1:46:33there as well. I like the ability to
1:46:34save it to one drive. Um, it makes sense
1:46:38that it organizes it over here.
1:46:40>> Um, podcast downloads. I'm not quite
1:46:42sure about that name. You know, maybe
1:46:44it'd be nice if it was like audio
1:46:45overviews or something, but whatever. If
1:46:48I open it up, it probably just opens in
1:46:50a stream player. Yeah, it's just in
1:46:52Microsoft Stream uh on SharePoint.
1:46:55>> Yep. Yeah. Now called Clipch Champ. So
1:46:57you could do that. Um that also means
1:47:00that you could uh go through and um you
1:47:04could like autogenerate chapters too as
1:47:07well. So it can go through I guess you'd
1:47:10have to like add the uh the transcript
1:47:12first, but you'd be able to like put
1:47:15chapters in your podcast, stuff like
1:47:17that. So that's pretty cool. Add a
1:47:19thumbnail, right? because if you're
1:47:20going to publish something, you want to
1:47:21add a thumbnail. I don't know why it's
1:47:23like like twitching out on me.
1:47:30But yeah, so that's the audio overview
1:47:32across the notebook, the one drive, and
1:47:36the word document itself in the word
1:47:38app. Um, it is coming to Microsoft Teams
1:47:42as well, and there'll be more
1:47:44information about that hopefully in the
1:47:46August time frame. Um, but like I I have
1:47:49it in in an area, but we're not allowed
1:47:52to show it yet. It's still in in NDA tap
1:47:55right now.
1:47:56>> So, but it's it's going to be pretty
1:47:58rad.
1:47:59>> Okay.
1:48:00>> So, um
1:48:00>> you want to head back to um Copilot
1:48:04notebook in your in your web browser?
1:48:06Yeah. Let's just bring that up on the
1:48:07screen as um as we kind of recap and get
1:48:10ready to take this home because I know
1:48:12you got a hard stop here in just a
1:48:14couple of minutes.
1:48:14>> I do. Yeah. This is a long- aaited
1:48:17feature. Um now full dis you know
1:48:21discussion public around it is like the
1:48:23notebook name is a little confusing
1:48:24because you create notebooks in one note
1:48:27uh and then you have co-pilot notebooks
1:48:29which adds another notebook to the um
1:48:31conversation as Ammy said earlier um you
1:48:34do have the ability to bring um your um
1:48:38like co-pilot pages and content into um
1:48:41one note so you can still work around
1:48:43that but this is co-pilot notebooks and
1:48:45it's the equivalent of projects in chat
1:48:48GPT. It's the equivalent of projects in
1:48:50Clyde or um in Google Gemini. And we did
1:48:54step through like a number of the use
1:48:57cases and a number of the um
1:49:00capabilities as well as some of the
1:49:03limitations that you're going to face.
1:49:04As Microsoft likes to say, this is only
1:49:07the beginning. And this is literally
1:49:09only the beginning. We've only had this
1:49:10for a short time and we have already
1:49:12seen a number of significant use cases
1:49:14for um our day-to-day activities, but as
1:49:18the uh David shared, there's a number of
1:49:20new features on the road map um here
1:49:23coming up very soon that's going to add
1:49:25a lot of additional capabilities like
1:49:27the researcher agent, some updates to
1:49:29the way that they're doing the audio
1:49:30overviews, expansion on the number of
1:49:33resources that you can add uh to uh the
1:49:37notebooks uh and more. So, I'm really
1:49:39excited to see some of those features
1:49:40start to come in. But I know in my
1:49:43organization, some of the push back that
1:49:45we get is, well, I can do projects in
1:49:46chat GPT. Well, you can do projects in
1:49:49Copilot for Microsoft 365 as well. Um,
1:49:53and you're going to be able here in the
1:49:55future to share like those notebooks
1:49:56with some of your other colleagues and
1:49:58teammates. And so, um, I think what is
1:50:01going to separate this though and like
1:50:03maybe just going to the M365 conference
1:50:06workshop
1:50:08I think what's going to separate C-pilot
1:50:11notebooks from some of those competitors
1:50:13is when you go to add a reference and
1:50:15you go to add content because you are
1:50:17directly connected to the Microsoft 365
1:50:20cloud, One Drive, SharePoint, Microsoft
1:50:23Teams um and then in some cases you
1:50:26might be um also connected to Outlook
1:50:29and Exchange and that content and we've
1:50:32shown parts of the workflow where it's
1:50:34easy to take things from maybe a meeting
1:50:36a meeting transcript output and get that
1:50:39into here. You can leverage copilot
1:50:41pages and you can bring those in. And
1:50:43what I love about that is that the
1:50:44copilot pages are not exclusive to this
1:50:46notebook. They're reusable. So they can
1:50:48exist in many different notebooks, many
1:50:50different workspaces, many different
1:50:52places at the same time. But the
1:50:55built-in connections to the Microsoft
1:50:57365 apps and services is what I think
1:51:00separates this from some of the
1:51:02competitors out there. Now, you can say
1:51:04what you want about the ability to
1:51:05prompt in the memory context that some
1:51:07of the other um applications have, some
1:51:10of the guardrails that might exist
1:51:11inside of the Microsoft ecosystem, but
1:51:14the fact that I'm able to get to all of
1:51:16my work content here inside of like my
1:51:19notebook and I can do that with
1:51:20enterprise data privacy and security and
1:51:23I can do that with minimal effort and no
1:51:25plugins or like desktop apps running. I
1:51:28think that right there is um is is huge
1:51:32and I really think that people don't see
1:51:34that or that factors into the into the
1:51:36conversation. So, I'm glad we were able
1:51:37to show a lot of those features as we
1:51:40were walking through um this overview
1:51:42today. I know I got a ton of ideas based
1:51:45off of what we've demoed here and some
1:51:48of the questions. I got a few things I
1:51:49want to make sure that I jot down as
1:51:50we're wrapping this up. I have to wait
1:51:52for the transcript to finish on YouTube
1:51:54so that I can get to through that and
1:51:56then run that through Copilot. But I got
1:51:58a number of ideas for some demos and
1:51:59possibly some workshops coming up. So
1:52:01I'm looking forward to being able um to
1:52:03drill down into uh into um many of those
1:52:06and um uh explore um
1:52:10the capabilities and and what we can
1:52:12create with it. So this one was a lot of
1:52:14fun I know to to put together. Um
1:52:17anything else we want to add?
1:52:20No, I think um there was one really good
1:52:22comment um in here about uh deleting
1:52:26notebooks, like what happens when you
1:52:28delete the notebook. So, I do want to
1:52:30call that out. Um there is a delete
1:52:32button. If I blow away one of these,
1:52:34like the family meal planning, if I
1:52:37delete this, okay, yes, delete it. It
1:52:39like goes away. There's no recycle bin.
1:52:42Um, so I have not found where you could
1:52:46go recover that deleted notebook. Um, so
1:52:49that's something to be aware of. That's
1:52:51also well that's as we evaluate this in
1:52:53my day job. We haven't rolled out
1:52:55notebooks yet because of some of those
1:52:56things like life cycle management. What
1:52:58happens if somebody leaves the company?
1:53:00What happens to their notebooks? Is it
1:53:02stored? You know, um, it's just a
1:53:04SharePoint embedded container. So it's a
1:53:06lot like their personal workspace in the
1:53:07loop uh, construct. But um some of those
1:53:11support things as you're like if you're
1:53:12an admin start thinking about like you
1:53:15know oh what if somebody deletes it
1:53:16needs to unddelete it where is it at um
1:53:19it might not be ready for prime time for
1:53:21those reasons uh but uh maybe we'll get
1:53:24more answers as we go and we'll share
1:53:25those along. Um I think the next thing
1:53:28for me as we round out is I'm going to
1:53:30go create that home notebook like I
1:53:33talked about, you know, with all the
1:53:34paint colors in my house and all the uh
1:53:37owner's manuals and stuff like that. I'm
1:53:38going to try to build that concept out
1:53:41and maybe make a video about, you know,
1:53:43how to kind of create a uh a home cheat
1:53:46sheet notebook, right? So that you if
1:53:49something breaks in your house, you
1:53:51don't have to go hunt down a bunch of
1:53:52information. You can just ask C-Pilot
1:53:54like, "Hey, you know, uh I've got an
1:53:56error code on my microwave. What does it
1:53:58mean?" And it just goes pulls from that
1:54:00specific manual.
1:54:02>> I think that's a pretty interesting
1:54:02idea. I've been building that through
1:54:04Apple Notes and um a shared photo album,
1:54:07but yeah.
1:54:08>> Yeah, I've seen people do that with like
1:54:09Obsidian and stuff, too.
1:54:11>> Yeah.
1:54:13>> Um yeah, I think that's a a fun concept.
1:54:16This is a it's a cool topic because I
1:54:18think it's really interesting. I mean,
1:54:20me and Andy, we geek out all the time
1:54:22about second brain, you know, for lack
1:54:25of a better word, of like just
1:54:26collecting everything together and
1:54:28trying to make it useful. Um, this fits
1:54:31perfectly in that sweet spot of like,
1:54:34yeah, I'm all about like collecting
1:54:36stuff together and trying to make it do
1:54:38something for me. Um, I'm pretty hopeful
1:54:41about the future for this product, so
1:54:44it's going to be cool.
1:54:47Okay, with that, uh, I think that pretty
1:54:49much covers it. We covered a lot of
1:54:50ground on this one.
1:54:52>> Um, but, uh, anything coming up that you
1:54:55wanted to highlight? Uh, I don't know if
1:54:57you're doing any speaking soon.
1:55:00>> Yes. Uh, August 11th, TechCon 365,
1:55:03Atlanta, Georgia. Uh, tickets are still
1:55:06available. Um, there's a couple of days
1:55:08of workshops, uh, three days of breakout
1:55:10sessions. It's going to be a really fun
1:55:12time down in Hotlanta during the hot
1:55:14August month. Um, but that one will be,
1:55:17um, near, um, Centennial Park. Um, kind
1:55:20of, um, I think we're near the Omni. Uh,
1:55:23so that's going to be a lot of fun.
1:55:25really looking forward to that
1:55:26conference again. TechCon 365 Atlanta
1:55:30coming up a second week of August. Uh
1:55:33I'll be there, a lot of other Microsoft
1:55:35um teammates and MVPs and community um
1:55:38contributors. It's a really fun
1:55:40conference there. And then coming up in
1:55:42November, TechCon 365 in Dallas.
1:55:45>> Uh again, two days of workshops, three
1:55:47days of breakout sessions. It's going to
1:55:48be an awesome event. Um I'll be there
1:55:51for that one as well. So hopefully I
1:55:52will see you all there. Cool, man.
1:55:55Awesome. I don't have anything coming up
1:55:56right now, so but I'll let you guys know
1:55:58when I get something. So, um, but this
1:56:01was great. Thank you guys for hanging
1:56:03out with us for the past, uh, you know,
1:56:04two hours. And, um, let us know how
1:56:07you're using notebooks. You know, give
1:56:08us some ideas because I think this is
1:56:09going to be really fun to play with.
1:56:11But, uh, all right, I got to hop to a
1:56:14meeting.
1:56:14>> Thanks everybody. Thanks, guys.
1:56:16>> See you in the next one. All right. Have
1:56:17a good weekend. Bye.
1:56:21Heat.
1:56:27[Applause]
1:56:32Heat.
1:56:33[Music]

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