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0:39god-willing it is now time to clear and
0:43cleanse the region of these Devils it is
0:45now time to show more resistance to the
0:47Americans and show our assistance with
0:50action to tell those Yankees to get out
0:52of here get lost in the early hours of
0:58Friday morning shortly after arriving at
1:00Baghdad International Airport us
1:02missiles killed soleimani and his close
1:03ally abou mafia Mohandas the deputy head
1:06of the Iranian backed Iraqi militia
1:08hushed those shabby other members of the
1:11group were also killed in the attack a
1:12drone strike hit their convoy as they
1:15left the airport for Iran's supreme
1:18leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei sulamani
1:20was a trusted confidant a member of his
1:23inner circle his killing in a targeted
1:25attack the most extreme escalation in
1:28tensions between Tehran and Washington
1:30in talking about the latest killing of
1:35Iranian general Qasem Soleimani and how
1:39the action from both sides Republican
1:44and Democrats and how people justify a
1:47killing of a government official on a
1:50peaceful mission I've been and meet our
1:53guest today welcome in Raleigh she is a
1:57retired FBI special agent and local
2:01legal counselor also she was 9/11
2:05whistleblowers you've been so active as
2:08far as anti-war and reaction to the
2:12illegal killing of a government official
2:16tell us a little bit about the anti-war
2:20movement in this country and the fact no
2:25matter who this anti-war movements not
2:27long time ago and stronger but we still
2:31have war perpetual Wars that's right if
2:34you go all the way back to the founding
2:36of the of the United States and of
2:39course the first war to break away from
2:40the Empire we broke we fought against a
2:43British Empire to get freedom but at the
2:46same time the United States was fighting
2:48the indigenous Native Americans the
2:50Indian
2:51in order to gain territory eventually
2:53they fought the the Spanish they fought
2:57them that they took over Hawaii they
3:00took over the Philippines the United
3:01States has been on an expansionist role
3:05imperialism for a long long time I
3:08really only got smart about all of this
3:11after 9/11 and so when you do want a
3:14part of all of this I know you won't
3:15okay well of yours we all were we were
3:17born into it we had no choice very very
3:20few people for instance know the history
3:21of World War one
3:22you know because why that's a good law a
3:25hundred and three years ago but when I
3:28just looked it up because I was going to
3:29talk about the Espionage Act of 1917 you
3:33know what I found out that Woodrow
3:35Wilson push to have it was a president
3:37at the time at the time he had promised
3:40the United States he would not take them
3:42to war about that Europe was in and he
3:45pushed to have the Espionage Act of 1917
3:48passed just a couple of weeks before he
3:51entered why because he had promised his
3:53own supporters that he would not go to
3:56war and he wanted to censor the press
3:59and so the law that was proposed would
4:02have been contained overt censorship of
4:06the press and that was what Lincoln did
4:08during in the Civil War he had his
4:10generals ordered to round up editors so
4:13when we talk about yes during the Civil
4:15War editors were imprisoned if they
4:17criticized Lincoln or the Union sound
4:19like Egypt it yeah
4:20they sold it so exactly right so there
4:22is this history of powerful people
4:25wanting to go to war a lots of other
4:28people who see the downside who see the
4:31cost to themselves who are opposed to it
4:33and even the press many times suppressed
4:36so I'll talk more specifically about
4:38post 9/11 we're at 18 and a half years
4:41now of war perpetual they call it
4:44perpetual war endless war long war and
4:47the the militarists the people who write
4:51their their thesis is that are at West
4:54Point justified when they noticed that
4:57during the Vietnam War okay so what they
5:00were learning from they learned the
5:01lessons of Vietnam
5:03and you know after eight nine years
5:05initially everyone was very much in
5:08favor of going to war in Vietnam the
5:10lies and the propaganda worked
5:12JFK initially then Johnson and everyone
5:15believed it everyone was ok with it you
5:18get to about 1967 or 1968 and now people
5:22are learning the truth through
5:24whistleblowers through Cronkite Cronkite
5:27actually said this war is you know
5:29unwinnable and now people are starting
5:31to learn the military then said thinks
5:34you know people in the military who are
5:35drafted get mad they say what are we
5:39doing we no we're just fighting for no
5:40reason and they learn the truth as well
5:42so you see the anti-war movement during
5:46Vietnam growing growing growing until
5:50they ended it frankly the the press and
5:54the anti-war movement were able to put
5:56enough pressure on Nixon to end the war
5:58now if you're in the military if you are
6:02a war profiteer defense contractor you
6:06do not want that to happen again
6:08so what are the ways you keep that from
6:10happening this time number one you get
6:12rid of the draft and so we have an
6:15all-volunteer which really is a poverty
6:17draft that is preying on poor people who
6:21really you know they say well I can make
6:22more money in the military than I can
6:24working at McDonald's etc and they try
6:27to get education that way I don't fault
6:29the people who are being sucked into the
6:32portal other day that the the military
6:35is recruiting students that they have
6:38tons of debts yes when after them that's
6:41right very nefarious ways one of the
6:44ways they recruit actually to is to get
6:46people addicted to violent video games
6:48and there's been a lot of blowback from
6:50that they the army used to have little
6:52sites where they got young kids in to
6:55play violent video games to try to
6:57recruit them for the military go visit
6:59them and of course one of the kids that
7:01became addicted to violent video games
7:03was the Newtown shooter that killed the
7:05first graders so this has had all kinds
7:07of cost but people don't care and nobody
7:10really understands that you know because
7:12the propaganda the other way that they
7:15have made
7:16perpetual I wrote an article called
7:18recipe for perpetual war
7:21you can google choline Raleigh I
7:23co-wrote it and you can find it the
7:25other way is that we don't pay taxes
7:27specifically to pay for the war so we
7:31went from under Bush five trillion
7:33dollars of national debt to 10 trillion
7:35about 910 trillion under Obama we almost
7:38doubled that from 19 trillion he got up
7:41he surprised and no one whose price
7:43that's right they all what a joke
7:45actually they want to resend that peace
7:47prize now they've talked about it 18 to
7:4919 trillion and now Trump we are over 23
7:53trillion national debt heading to 30
7:55trillion debt and the reason is we
7:58aren't paying for the wars
7:59there's no additional taxes prior Wars
8:02once you raise taxes guess what people
8:05people people start thinking what are we
8:07what are we paying all this money for
8:09but now we're just tacking it on to the
8:11debt and the very last way that they've
8:14made war perpetual is they relied now
8:16that when they started they had
8:18quote-unquote boots on the ground in
8:20Iraq but about 4500 some
8:23young military got people got killed and
8:27same same in Afghanistan a couple
8:29thousand loans enough now they went to
8:32aerial bombing not not just drones but
8:36Libya I was actually you know bombed it
8:38was so so it's aerial bombing and when
8:41you are bombing from the grunts from the
8:43sky you don't even see the bodies you
8:45don't see it just like dropping the
8:47nuclear bombs so these three things now
8:49have made war perpetual and over these
8:53eighteen and a half years lots of people
8:55were initially against the wars you know
8:57there were millions of people marching
8:59before the Iraq war when I wrote the
9:01op-ed that made the front page of the
9:03New York Times there were you know quite
9:05a few people that agreed with that that
9:07has now slowly diminished over eighteen
9:10and a half years because nobody sees the
9:13cost here they know what you're just
9:15killing foreigners you know I keep
9:17writing all we've killed millions their
9:19own people you have millions of
9:21foreigners and then the refugees and the
9:23people drowning in the Mediterranean so
9:26so the problem here you know one
9:29you know there is about four million
9:30people brown people been killed since
9:349/11 you know give and take and they in
9:36for different reasons - like in Yemen
9:38the water supply is a cause of war and
9:44and you incite proxies you incite
9:47different religious groups to fight each
9:50other and so sometimes it's not the
9:52military killing the people it's
9:54actually the infighting but who started
9:56it but they use this antonucci are so
9:59listen well and inciting it because the
10:02United States arms them so in Syria the
10:05United States was arming even but maybe
10:08linked people issue with the people here
10:11that they have access to informations
10:13more than in Egypt or Saudi Arabia they
10:17don't they still support any percent
10:20usual support the war the corporate
10:22media dominates the message and they are
10:26all across the board people cite Fox but
10:29it's MSNBC it's all of the BBC all of
10:33the BBC NPR yeah I mean Public
10:36Television
10:37I watched public television at night and
10:39it's really a lot of military or is the
10:42answer every night insidious and then
10:44somebody come in your face and say we
10:46need to kill this guy there will be an
10:47expert just applause the answer you know
10:51I just listen to somebody an expert
10:54general say that killing sulemani will
10:57bring peace no disability yet and he was
11:00a bad guy he was a bad god but if we're
11:03gonna kill bad guys they were gonna be a
11:06yeah everybody's done something wrong
11:09but you know you have let's go to the
11:14last killing of general Soleimani now a
11:18lot of spin a lot of interpretation and
11:21why we did it and somebody was making a
11:24legal case this guy killed America and
11:27this guy and they use legal
11:30interpretation why the American have the
11:33right to kill somebody that he actually
11:36killed American he's about to kill
11:38America and all of that so we are the
11:41legal community when when
11:43they are kind of have the illegal
11:46coverage of unfortunately unfortunately
11:50if you read the memos after 9/11 setting
11:54up this false pretext for perpetual war
11:56there were dozens of memos written by
11:59John you were not really reviewed by
12:01anyone else except one senior one senior
12:05attorney who actually teaches now at st.
12:07Thomas Delahunty he reviewed some of
12:10them in the in those memos he said since
12:13we are now at war the president has all
12:16power its Imperial War presidency powers
12:19and that trumps international law so for
12:24instance he can write we can torture now
12:26I don't care about the Geneva
12:28Conventions he actually wrote that we
12:31could end most of the treaties all those
12:33are in secret memos now no one knew that
12:35by about those because they were all
12:37secret but there's dozens of memos and I
12:40will say one more thing that even
12:41affects Americans okay it's more than
12:43international law he actually wrote that
12:46constitutional law for instance the
12:48freedom of the press and the First
12:50Amendment because he knew this goes
12:52right back to the First World War he
12:54said that freedom that First Amendment
12:55rights would no longer apply that we
12:59were at war he wrote these in September
13:01of 2000 or okto early October this guy's
13:04name again and he's a known you why oh
13:07okay I want the guy listen Thomas
13:10his name's Delahunty and he's he signed
13:14off on I don't know if even read him
13:16either
13:16in a Catholic yes yes we protested we
13:21protested him years ago there's a
13:24there's a movie out by the way will be
13:26shown at 4200 Cedar Avenue which is the
13:30WAM office Monday - come on diem at 7:00
13:34o'clock were showing the report and the
13:37report is the whole story of the staffer
13:40who uncovered all of the torture and he
13:43got feinstein to write this long
13:45thousands of Wordsworth's pages well you
13:48know i always joke or not joking but i
13:50seriously that there is no money
13:53most of money in war more makes money
13:55too
13:56but there is no money from peace and and
14:00I think you have an interesting take on
14:02that well your that's correct as
14:04Eisenhower warned the people that were
14:07making money from war the defense cut
14:09they caught we call them defense but
14:11they're not defense they are war
14:13contractors they're war profiteers
14:15defense from what when they killed
14:17general Soleimani the the CEOs of
14:23Lockheed and Northrop and Boeing and
14:26Raytheon they made hundreds of thousands
14:29of dollars in one day in one day just
14:32because of that and so it'll stop going
14:34up their stock went up and they
14:36overnight made so much money it's
14:38incredibly articles about it all
14:39overnight they made money so of course
14:42that's true and but as a whole war
14:45actually depletes the country's our
14:47reserves you know if I don't know the
14:50exact figures but for the for the cost
14:52of sending one soldier to Afghanistan we
14:55could we could pay for 20 teachers so
14:57it's really hurt economics if you look
15:00at the whole thing
15:00it's actually really depleting and
15:02that's where this 23 trillion dollars of
15:05debt now is that which is making the
15:07United States in a very precarious
15:09situation because if the reserve
15:11currency the dollar Social Security
15:13petrodollar is is able to be defeated
15:17that 23 trillion becomes a huge
15:20liability and our money won't be worth
15:22anything this paper money that we have
15:24that's another reason why the United
15:27States is continuing war it's another
15:29reason why they're bolstering Saudi
15:30Arabia even though Saudi Arabia had ties
15:33into 9/11 even though they've done of
15:36course the killing of khashoggi all of
15:39these Yemen I mean all these terrible
15:41things the woman drive that's good
15:42enough one of the reasons why we're
15:45siding with Saudi Arabia and for
15:47instance killing you know doing the war
15:49is because of the petro dollar and so
15:52this I'm trying to explain how in a
15:55larger sense war is not good
15:58another example here is China China has
16:01been able in the past few decades to
16:03keep itself out of war and you see this
16:06rise economic rise where
16:08they can put their money into building
16:12roads and education you know in terms of
16:15all the things that you know healthcare
16:17even for that matter all the things that
16:19they can put their money into that
16:21actually produce more economic power
16:23that they produce my sort of a few
16:26thousand ZCO bombs actually do not
16:29produce economic women once you draw a
16:31bomb or you tank that doesn't recycle in
16:34an economy but when you make something
16:36like on could exactly values welcome
16:39thank you so much for all those pleasure
16:41to come here every time I have you here
16:44after the show I want to go unless the
16:46Nama in the military on fire between the
16:50demonstrators
16:54a three-hour parade takes the
16:56demonstrators across the Potomac on
16:58their way to the Pentagon
16:59crowd estimated at about 50,000 persons
17:02who was a loose confederation of some
17:04150
17:05[Music]

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