Annette Herfkens Interview — Transcript

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1. 0:08all right
2. 0:09almost five minutes after 10 o'clock
3. 0:10thank you for tuning in nice looking
4. 0:12thursday
5. 0:12robin you're going on a flight on
6. 0:14saturday morning i don't know what it is
7. 0:16every time you go on a flight
8. 0:17we have some kind of a story about a
9. 0:19flight that didn't make it so
10. 0:21i know i was worried you ever noticed
11. 0:22this is it just that we've noticed them
12. 0:25or
13. 0:25are they always out there but they just
14. 0:26seem to know oh my goodness well the
15. 0:28next one is in our face it's
16. 0:30uh it's uh an amazing story
17. 0:33uh with some real tragedy in it and uh
18. 0:36one survivor her name is annette hefkins
19. 0:39and i hope i
20. 0:40pronounced her name correctly she'll
21. 0:42tell me if i did or not in just a second
22. 0:44she is the sole survivor
23. 0:47of an airplane crash that happened in
24. 0:48the jungle of vietnam
25. 0:50um she went back to the the plane from
26. 0:53what i understand crashed into a
27. 0:54mountain
28. 0:55she um was with her
29. 0:58fiance i'm kind of drawing a blank on
30. 1:01that
31. 1:02anyway she um went back and and
32. 1:05revisited so we're going to talk to her
33. 1:06about that she also by the way in
34. 1:08addition to
35. 1:08that her credentials include studying
36. 1:11law
37. 1:12in the netherlands and she's one of the
38. 1:14few female international bond
39. 1:16traders on wall street her book
40. 1:19is one you won't put down it's called
41. 1:21turbulence it is a
42. 1:22true survival story annette hopkins good
43. 1:25morning annette
44. 1:27good morning how are you pretty good how
45. 1:29are you
46. 1:30all right and where are you where are
47. 1:32you
48. 1:33i'm calling from new york from new york
49. 1:38robin will be visiting you yep in a few
50. 1:40days
51. 1:41not personally but you're sitting there
52. 1:43looking for it and that am i saying your
53. 1:44last name correctly
54. 1:46harrison's h-e-r-f-k-e-n-s
55. 1:49hair of harrison hafkens okay
56. 1:53uh annette how long ago did the the
57. 1:55crash happen
58. 1:56in 1992. i am i was i was an
59. 2:00investment banker at the time working in
60. 2:01madrid and my fiance
61. 2:03you were 13 years together um was
62. 2:06setting up a branch for ing bank in ho
63. 2:09chi minh city and we were
64. 2:11off to romantic vacation on the south
65. 2:13china
66. 2:14sea and he had arranged a trip
67. 2:18um and we had only five days and um this
68. 2:21was gonna be beautiful
69. 2:22and romantic but when i saw the plane i
70. 2:25did not want to go in
71. 2:26it was for me too old and too small i'm
72. 2:28very claustrophobic
73. 2:29and um he told me the flight was only
74. 2:32gonna be
75. 2:33for 20 minutes but in fact it was 55
76. 2:38okay and then why was there a big
77. 2:40difference in what he said it would be
78. 2:42and what it was
79. 2:43because he tricked me he tricked me way
80. 2:45too
81. 2:46dangerous to go by car and he tricked me
82. 2:48okay
83. 2:50so so uh so there was a small plane and
84. 2:53and you reluctantly got on the plane and
85. 2:56then what happened
86. 2:58well then the 20th minute we didn't go
87. 3:00down and said if i didn't go down i said
88. 3:01well i had to trick you to get in and i
89. 3:03was very much
90. 3:04focused on on getting through the flight
91. 3:06and so not as much
92. 3:09um on the fact that we were flying until
93. 3:12we made a gigantic drop
94. 3:13real people were screaming and um
95. 3:17i was still but i said well a small
96. 3:19plane would feel like that so i was not
97. 3:21scared but william looked at me scared
98. 3:24and then there were accelerating motors
99. 3:26and um he
100. 3:27he grabbed from my hand and i got for
101. 3:29his and then we we crashed into the
102. 3:31mountain
103. 3:32goodness did you pass out yeah
104. 3:35the next thing i know i woke up and one
105. 3:38moment you hear these
106. 3:39these motors i was playing next moment i
107. 3:42woke up to
108. 3:43really eerie sounds of the jungle and
109. 3:46like a loud sign and so to say and um
110. 3:50i felt something on top of me which was
111. 3:52a chair
112. 3:53with a dead man as it turned out i
113. 3:56pushed that away
114. 3:57immediately and then i realized
115. 3:59something had happened and i looked at
116. 4:01my left and i saw william
117. 4:03and still strapped in his feet and he
118. 4:05was dead oh my goodness
119. 4:07what what were your what was your
120. 4:09physical condition
121. 4:11um i must have gone into shock at that
122. 4:14moment i did i don't
123. 4:15from the moment that i saw willem dead
124. 4:17until the next moment
125. 4:19i i'm in the jungle on the jungle floor
126. 4:22uh i was heavily wounded i had about
127. 4:24five or six
128. 4:25um fractures in my hips i had collapsed
129. 4:28long and
130. 4:29and i had terribly wound several wounds
131. 4:31but i must have somehow gotten out of
132. 4:33that plane
133. 4:34despite all those injuries you don't
134. 4:35remember you don't remember climbing out
135. 4:37of the plane
136. 4:39no i don't remember one moment i
137. 4:42the next moment i'm out in the jungle on
138. 4:44the jungle floor with
139. 4:46tweaks scraping my legs and and
140. 4:49insects and my goodness how far
141. 4:52how far were you when you finally
142. 4:54realized when you came
143. 4:56to your senses again how far were you
144. 4:58from the wreck of the plane
145. 5:00about three feet oh three feet the
146. 5:03mountain three or four feet but it was
147. 5:05down
148. 5:06the mountain so i don't really know how
149. 5:08i meant to get out of it because i must
150. 5:09have
151. 5:11gone i must have lowered my body somehow
152. 5:14because it was
153. 5:14in the slope and um i mean next to me
154. 5:17there was a man
155. 5:19alive still speaking in english even but
156. 5:22he was in a very bad shape and there
157. 5:23were a few more people
158. 5:25out on the jungle floor moaning in the
159. 5:26beginning so they but they all died
160. 5:28right
161. 5:30eventually this happened at seven
162. 5:31o'clock and i think by 10 o'clock
163. 5:33am um everyone had died it was bad
164. 5:37holy mackerel so what was your first
165. 5:39instinct to do
166. 5:40at that point my first instinct was
167. 5:45listening to my instinct because that's
168. 5:47i i was a traitor so i did not
169. 5:49leave that i didn't let my emotion take
170. 5:51over i just stayed really still
171. 5:52and i observed the situation and i just
172. 5:55accepted it also i guess i mean i'm not
173. 5:57the i'm a city girl always wants to see
174. 5:59the girl now i'm in the jungle
175. 6:00yeah right wow um but i didn't fight it
176. 6:04i just really
177. 6:05i did i really did all those the right
178. 6:07step but to say for survival i just
179. 6:08observed and i believed i really
180. 6:10believed i first the first thing
181. 6:12you have to believe that happened and
182. 6:14then the next thing is not to fight it
183. 6:16as it should not have happened
184. 6:17because it actually had happened and i
185. 6:20stayed still with that
186. 6:21so did you have a part of you that said
187. 6:23look there's an emotion
188. 6:24here that i'm going to feel but i can't
189. 6:27feel it right now because it's going to
190. 6:29it's going to okay so i think i know
191. 6:31where you're going with that so
192. 6:33i mean you've obviously you've lost
193. 6:34somebody you love and had a terrible
194. 6:37thing happen to you but
195. 6:38you will deal with that later right i
196. 6:40will deal with that
197. 6:41holy man i couldn't because if i would
198. 6:44be
199. 6:44crying then i would i mean then you get
200. 6:47lost into the emotion
201. 6:49you're a strong woman well yeah i was a
202. 6:52traitor but it was really
203. 6:54i don't think that's it i i think i
204. 6:55stayed open it's it's just i control my
205. 6:58mind but
206. 6:58in the end i end up listening to my
207. 7:00heart i know a lot of traders who are
208. 7:01not as strong as you've already
209. 7:03experienced i think
210. 7:06you're giving you're giving credit to
211. 7:07the trader trade but i think it's you
212. 7:10and i think you're right i think you're
213. 7:12right i think it was more the fact that
214. 7:14i did listen
215. 7:15to that voice inside also as a traitor i
216. 7:17think i was very successful because i
217. 7:19always listened to that side
218. 7:20to that little voice wow wow and i think
219. 7:23i did that there too and then too
220. 7:25so what did you do then did you try to
221. 7:27set a fire and and get somebody's
222. 7:28attention did you try to walk to a
223. 7:31a nearby place or something yeah i
224. 7:34thought of all that i told all that but
225. 7:36um it actually actually i had my
226. 7:39personal with me
227. 7:40and i was a smoker at the time so i had
228. 7:42a lighter
229. 7:43and so i thought well i can make like
230. 7:45here i can make smoking signals because
231. 7:47that i could not really move but at my
232. 7:49hands i got that but it was too wet to
233. 7:50do that
234. 7:52i thought of all kind but then i really
235. 7:54um i really had to
236. 7:56for the first couple two days i stayed
237. 7:58next to men and
238. 7:59that he he while he was becoming more
239. 8:02and more
240. 8:03unpleasant to look at they were maggots
241. 8:04and and also had to make a plan to get
242. 8:06married
243. 8:07oh my goodness you mean next to wilhelm
244. 8:09you're a fiancee
245. 8:12no not my no no my fiance was still on
246. 8:14the plane it was next to a vietnamese
247. 8:16man i was and he had a watch and
248. 8:17originally i was looking at that watch
249. 8:19all the time
250. 8:20to see and i was counting the minutes
251. 8:22but i really really stayed present
252. 8:24but and but the most important thing
253. 8:26what i think that kept me as of day one
254. 8:28is that instead of focusing on the
255. 8:30ugliest and the dead and the maggots and
256. 8:32insects i focused on the beauty of the
257. 8:34jungle
258. 8:35and i really i shift that focus and i
259. 8:37was really amazed by that
260. 8:39and every time when i would get
261. 8:40emotional or fear to get emotional i
262. 8:43would really really stay present and
263. 8:45focus
264. 8:45on the beauty wow that's a lesson for
265. 8:48all of us and
266. 8:49anything of course also have pleasant
267. 8:53you know that might that might be some
268. 8:55more that might be very philosophical in
269. 8:57other circumstances that are not as
270. 8:59life-threatening as yours was you know
271. 9:01we could
272. 9:02we could take that so i applied it i did
273. 9:04apply that later in life i really
274. 9:07believe that if something bad happens to
275. 9:09you
276. 9:10that you really should not fight it as
277. 9:12it should not have happened because that
278. 9:13takes a lot of energy
279. 9:15if you really start defining how the
280. 9:17housing should have been and i really
281. 9:19accepted reality right then and there
282. 9:21and i think the same in raising your
283. 9:23children i think you should
284. 9:24accept the situation you should accept
285. 9:26it and then from there
286. 9:28you can if you stay calm and you stay
287. 9:30open then
288. 9:31the course of action will always present
289. 9:34itself you know there's a little force
290. 9:36inside of you you can call it instinct
291. 9:37you can call it the voice of god but
292. 9:39it is there it's always there in
293. 9:41everyone
294. 9:42you did refer about counting uh the
295. 9:45minutes on the watch but you also
296. 9:47counted other things when you were there
297. 9:49and that helped keep you alert
298. 9:54yes i yeah well i just accounted the
299. 9:56days
300. 9:57from day to night i i counted um
301. 10:00but what really kept me of course
302. 10:04well again i focused on the beauty
303. 10:07at the same time i stayed present and at
304. 10:09some point i said okay
305. 10:11now i have to move away from the man i
306. 10:14need water i need water
307. 10:15and then i made a plan to make or to get
308. 10:19water
309. 10:19and i moved away from the man i moved to
310. 10:22the the wing of the plane
311. 10:24turns out that the that the material was
312. 10:27the insulation material was little
313. 10:30sponges and then i made
314. 10:31i lined up five little bowls
315. 10:35that i made and i waited for it to rain
316. 10:37and then i
317. 10:38was allowed to take little sips of water
318. 10:41out of those soaking bowls every other
319. 10:43hour so yes i did i did count
320. 10:46i didn't count hours yes so you you um
321. 10:49were eventually rescued and i want to i
322. 10:51don't for the sake of the book i want
323. 10:53people to
324. 10:53be interested in the book obviously but
325. 10:55you were eventually rescued how long
326. 10:57before you were rescued eight days
327. 11:01eight days wow yes eight days
328. 11:04but again it first wasn't mind over
329. 11:06matter and by
330. 11:07and that's why i decided in the end to
331. 11:09write a book but by the fifth or sixth
332. 11:11day six days of course i was dying and i
333. 11:14want to know
334. 11:15everyone to know that it was beautiful
335. 11:16it was first
336. 11:18mind over matter but then it became hard
337. 11:20over mind and it became the most
338. 11:22beautiful experience
339. 11:23it was beautiful you mean the dying you
340. 11:25mean you felt like you were dying and
341. 11:28that's what you're referring to as
342. 11:29beautiful
343. 11:30yes it was beautiful did you have a
344. 11:32religious experience are you a religious
345. 11:34person
346. 11:36um well i grew up in in the netherlands
347. 11:39and it's it's
348. 11:40nobody's actively religious but i did
349. 11:42grow up with the
350. 11:43catholic faith i would have faith but we
351. 11:46we were not be not very religious but i
352. 11:48i absolutely had a mystic experience
353. 11:51absolutely and what was that can you
354. 11:52tell us about the experience the mystic
355. 11:54experience
356. 11:56yeah so that is great so that is what i
357. 11:58kept for for 20 years and that's what i
358. 12:00kept also um inside so i then i really
359. 12:03described at my best as i can in the
360. 12:05book it's it's
361. 12:06it i can just stay it was so beautiful
362. 12:08it was everything
363. 12:10was so beautiful and i really was one
364. 12:12one with my environment and
365. 12:14it was just so beautiful and and and
366. 12:17then
367. 12:18and then i i i saw of sun and this man
368. 12:22on the other side on the other side of
369. 12:23the ravine and he he was dressed in
370. 12:25orange and
371. 12:26he kept me he back to earth and that's
372. 12:29the mystery that followed like was this
373. 12:31mystery man in my life who saved my life
374. 12:33and that's why i went back to vietnam
375. 12:35um to see what really happened there
376. 12:37okay was he a real man or was he a
377. 12:39spirit
378. 12:40who who is that that is the mystery in
379. 12:42the book that i want you to find
380. 12:43okay for many for many years
381. 12:47everyone thought i made him up and i
382. 12:48thought i made him up because it was not
383. 12:50i was of course in a
384. 12:51hurry to nation state without food and
385. 12:53without that much water and my kidney
386. 12:55had died in the meantime
387. 12:57so i was of course and that's in another
388. 12:59state of mind but i could always clearly
389. 13:01describe that he was wearing
390. 13:03plastic orange like know fish orange was
391. 13:06a rain cave
392. 13:07and um and so people thought he was
393. 13:10there to watch me die
394. 13:11it was someone with the government it
395. 13:12was a buddhist monk so we always had
396. 13:14been speculating
397. 13:15and well i did find out when i went back
398. 13:17to climb the mountain i crashed on that
399. 13:19in fact i was real
400. 13:21wow wow
401. 13:24and uh your story does continue on it's
402. 13:27not just about you surviving in the
403. 13:29vietnam jungle but then you had the
404. 13:32funeral to contend with and especially
405. 13:36his mom because that was really hard for
406. 13:39you also
407. 13:41yeah then i became of course the moment
408. 13:43i was found
409. 13:44as then i joined the mourners and that's
410. 13:46what people do i think mourners
411. 13:48it's difficult it's just difficult it's
412. 13:50awful to
413. 13:51lose your child but that's the same if
414. 13:53you fight if you
415. 13:54fight it like it should not have
416. 13:56happened then you go on a track and it
417. 13:58becomes an enemy whereas indeed mourning
418. 14:00could be a beautiful state of connection
419. 14:02when it was not for us but it can't it
420. 14:04can be
421. 14:05because if it had felt unfortunate but
422. 14:07also there were also like indeed
423. 14:09um life is stranger than fiction because
424. 14:11what happened also is that
425. 14:13the bodies of the foreigners were mixed
426. 14:15up so in fact we ended up
427. 14:18burying in brit in holland and
428. 14:21my fiancee was cremated in sweden
429. 14:24so they mixed up the bodies it was all
430. 14:26very very painful
431. 14:28oh wow so i want to reach out also to
432. 14:30the families of course of 370. it is i
433. 14:33know
434. 14:33from from them and from the other
435. 14:35families how awful it is
436. 14:37not to know where your beloved one is
437. 14:39and then that i'm just
438. 14:40guessing i don't i don't know if you
439. 14:42want to respond to this but you must
440. 14:43have been
441. 14:44in new york on september 11 2001 and and
442. 14:46this must have
443. 14:49the experience that you had in vietnam
444. 14:51must have played a role in your reaction
445. 14:53to the attacks on september 11th
446. 14:56yes that was again that was for me an
447. 14:59amazing connection to others because now
448. 15:02i was in a situation that i could see
449. 15:04how pain does connect
450. 15:06and i wanted to so desperate to help and
451. 15:08that it's it as a european i always
452. 15:10admire
453. 15:11how americans can organize themselves
454. 15:13and really help
455. 15:14and i i really love to be a part of that
456. 15:17but you were
457. 15:18were you in were you in new york that
458. 15:20day were you on wall street
459. 15:21in new york the time i knew at the time
460. 15:23and and it was amazing and i volunteered
461. 15:26to translate and it was it was just it
462. 15:29it was a horrifying experience yeah my
463. 15:31daughter was my daughter was
464. 15:33three years old my son was one and um
465. 15:36we walked downtown there was this
466. 15:38horrible clown
467. 15:43one beautiful aspect to that and that's
468. 15:45what i say the duality of life there is
469. 15:47always beauty and the connection of new
470. 15:49yorkers that day and everyone was in new
471. 15:51york the whole world was a new yorker
472. 15:53and that's what i also tried to try to
473. 15:55say to to
474. 15:56to mourners in general the beauty is in
475. 15:58the connection to each other
476. 16:00and that's actually the part two of my
477. 16:02books that in my part one i connected to
478. 16:04god to the universe
479. 16:06but part two i i just use that
480. 16:08experience yes
481. 16:09to apply for my life but i think we're
482. 16:11here to to connect to one another and
483. 16:14september 11 is a beautiful example how
484. 16:16one can do that
485. 16:17uh you really uh demonstrate that
486. 16:20connection also when you talk
487. 16:22about maxie and about taking him to his
488. 16:24special needs indoor
489. 16:26soccer yeah thank you
490. 16:30yes that is that is yeah that is indeed
491. 16:33the difference because i have a typical
492. 16:34child
493. 16:35and they're the typical rivalries
494. 16:36between mothers and children
495. 16:38and then i have the disabled child where
496. 16:41again the disability itself
497. 16:43instantly connects you with the other
498. 16:44parents
499. 16:46which is also a gift so there are many
500. 16:48gifts that come
501. 16:49i think i think there's always duality
502. 16:52in every
503. 16:52situation and if you accept the
504. 16:54situation you can
505. 16:55accept both and just shift your
506. 16:57attention to to the beauty you know you
507. 16:59picked up
508. 17:00you picked a a perfect title for the
509. 17:03book because
510. 17:04on first glance it looks like the word
511. 17:06turbulence is referring to
512. 17:08the plane the the first story but you
513. 17:11truly are looking at this very
514. 17:12philosophically
515. 17:13and and applying that same turbulence
516. 17:17to so many other things and that's what
517. 17:20makes the book
518. 17:21not only a story about somebody else but
519. 17:23a story about ourselves
520. 17:26yes that's what i hope to do it's that's
521. 17:29what i in the end say the story is not
522. 17:30about me it's about everyone else in
523. 17:32that story that's why i also give all
524. 17:34the perspectives
525. 17:34i'm happy you read it thank you thank
526. 17:36you that's the perspective from
527. 17:39from the other side i really also did
528. 17:41jack the father of the brit my mother
529. 17:43i i interviewed them and i put them in
530. 17:45there because it was fascinating to me
531. 17:48how different we all looked at the same
532. 17:50event
533. 17:51so you went back just to get back to the
534. 17:53story you went back to the mountain
535. 17:55in i can't remember the year it was was
536. 17:57it 2006
537. 17:59yes all right and and
538. 18:02how was that tell us what that was like
539. 18:04i mean did you did you
540. 18:05were you driven to the to the spot did
541. 18:08you walk to the spot how did you get
542. 18:09there
543. 18:11uh no we had to climb it was 12 hours
544. 18:13really breaking his sweat and just
545. 18:15really steep and and i'm not
546. 18:16i'm not an exercise all that much so i
547. 18:18had to get fit it was it
548. 18:19it it's very um um symbolic i
549. 18:23now i go back as a middle-aged person
550. 18:26to indeed to this mountain where at the
551. 18:28time i did the right things very
552. 18:29instinctively as a young person and so i
553. 18:31had to
554. 18:32overcome really fears to go back there
555. 18:34and leave the flight itself
556. 18:36and i did and and um it was again it was
557. 18:39beautiful because of the
558. 18:40i went half of my original crew went up
559. 18:43with me on the mountain
560. 18:44and they told me indeed where i where
561. 18:46they kept overnight at the time and and
562. 18:49how they found me
563. 18:50and and then indeed the mystery of the
564. 18:52orange man was revealed right there and
565. 18:54then when after after
566. 18:56six hours of climbing in the sweat and
567. 18:58having having uh
568. 18:59having lunch up there it was beautiful
569. 19:02to connect this was beautiful to connect
570. 19:04they thought i had died everyone thought
571. 19:05i had died in vietnam
572. 19:07and my book is now translated in
573. 19:08vietnamese and i get it
574. 19:10on facebook at the time so it was for
575. 19:12them they were they
576. 19:13and in their religion it's really
577. 19:15important to save one person's life
578. 19:17and here i am having two children that
579. 19:19was that was beautiful
580. 19:21it's also beautiful and some of the
581. 19:23other uh survivors of some of the other
582. 19:25casualties
583. 19:26um also went back is that right
584. 19:30yeah that was jack and i bought in his
585. 19:32footsteps because he was
586. 19:33um it was that's unfortunately an
587. 19:35example of somebody who did not accept
588. 19:38um
589. 19:39um exactly what happened at all and he
590. 19:42went back and that was great and found
591. 19:44out what happened but he never quite got
592. 19:45over
593. 19:46the the loss of his son and and because
594. 19:48he doesn't know what happened we still
595. 19:49don't know what exactly what happened
596. 19:51and
597. 19:52he and he became friendly and he's now
598. 19:54in london he's still in the uk
599. 19:56he's he's elderly i know he's reading my
600. 19:58book
601. 19:59i've been cosplaying with his
602. 20:00granddaughter and we might have actually
603. 20:02a memorial service
604. 20:03of up on the mountain so many vietnam is
605. 20:06planning that
606. 20:07but he he did not he was the one who
607. 20:09opened the coffin in the first place
608. 20:11because he had suspected foul play
609. 20:13and he always suspected foul play and
610. 20:15perhaps there was foul play but
611. 20:17at some point i guess you have to accept
612. 20:21to live your life and uh yeah and
613. 20:24yeah just like the plane that went down
614. 20:26the malaysian airlines right
615. 20:27we may never know you may never know
616. 20:30which i know
617. 20:31from from the artifact it's awful to
618. 20:33know i i like to connect immediately
619. 20:35also with the other
620. 20:36other family members in europe and and i
621. 20:39called the embassy because it was on
622. 20:40facebook and i spoke to the mother
623. 20:42the wife of the swedish man who traveled
624. 20:46in the plane and she said every night
625. 20:47she started crying every night she went
626. 20:49to sleep wondering what she felt when
627. 20:51the plane went down
628. 20:52and i said well i can assure you it was
629. 20:55very short and there was no george ford
630. 20:56it was it was very fast
631. 20:58and she was so happy that she that she
632. 21:01made all the difference
633. 21:02for her later um she returned the favor
634. 21:04to me because he actually had buried my
635. 21:06fiance it was awkward but the tragedy of
636. 21:09errors
637. 21:10wow uh if you're just tuning in and you
638. 21:13have
639. 21:14become spellbound by our guest she is
640. 21:16annette
641. 21:17annette hefkens and i hope i did your
642. 21:19name right there
643. 21:20uh the book is called turbulence a
644. 21:22survival story just
645. 21:23to recap annette is the sole survivor of
646. 21:26an airplane crash in the vietnamese
647. 21:28jungle
648. 21:28she tells that story beautifully and and
649. 21:31and
650. 21:32you don't want to stop listening or in
651. 21:34this case reading
652. 21:35um and and there's also some bigger
653. 21:38bigger thing here you're a very
654. 21:39philosophical
655. 21:41person i i think think maybe more
656. 21:43religious than you're letting on or at
657. 21:45least more spiritual
658. 21:46than you're letting on um you clearly
659. 21:50have a grasp of what
660. 21:51needs to be grasped at any given time in
661. 21:54your life
662. 21:56yes no i'm guided by some i die i'm
663. 21:59guided by
664. 21:59by by gold i'm guided by these by
665. 22:02something bigger than me
666. 22:03it's just that i for the moment you
667. 22:04start actually
668. 22:06trying to get an image of god people
669. 22:08fight about it and you know i just okay
670. 22:16inside me i think that is the voice of
671. 22:17god you are a beautiful lady by the way
672. 22:20i'm not taking credit at all for for my
673. 22:22survival nor the way i
674. 22:23i was just i was just open to it it's
675. 22:26just a matter of being open and as soon
676. 22:27as your mind closes up
677. 22:29you get scenarios and they're not true
678. 22:31in your head you make scenarios that are
679. 22:33just not true
680. 22:34and so it might as well not make
681. 22:36scenarios in your head that's what i
682. 22:37learned
683. 22:38but you also bring to light all of the
684. 22:41um
685. 22:42normal things that people have to go
686. 22:45through
687. 22:45like relationships wondering if it's
688. 22:48gonna last
689. 22:49wondering if um you can you you could
690. 22:52have done something else
691. 22:53if it if it doesn't you really give hope
692. 22:56to
693. 22:56the regular person because everything
694. 22:59you speak about
695. 23:00just comes from your heart and
696. 23:02everything from the heart is truly
697. 23:04within reach of everybody
698. 23:07yes i think that's what i thank you so
699. 23:08much that that's exactly what i believe
700. 23:10thank you so much so do you do you still
701. 23:14carry with you some
702. 23:15uh pain are your kidneys working
703. 23:18i have one but apparently i can i have
704. 23:21still many years to go won't get me fine
705. 23:22i just should not
706. 23:23pick up kickboxing or something
707. 23:28and apparently my face is slightly
708. 23:30deformed people say but i really never
709. 23:32let me see wait a minute no you're
710. 23:34beautiful you're a beautiful lady what
711. 23:36are you talking about
712. 23:37i'm looking at your photo my sister says
713. 23:40and people say it's
714. 23:40slightly different than it used to be
715. 23:43and uh but but other than
716. 23:45yeah no i'm i'm hey my face is slightly
717. 23:48different than it used to be
718. 23:49and i i didn't i didn't crash into a
719. 23:52mountain yeah
720. 23:53that's a good point that's a good point
721. 23:58it's not slightly either it's like a lot
722. 23:59different than i used to uh
723. 24:01you're a delight to talk to and that i
724. 24:03want to be sure that the listeners uh
725. 24:05can get your book before we run out of
726. 24:06time i have a copy
727. 24:08she sent me one i'm going to give it
728. 24:10away to one of you if you want it call
729. 24:12me 622-9622 that's the woca climate
730. 24:15control source hotline
731. 24:16you get the book the rest of us have to
732. 24:18go buy it and that do you have a website
733. 24:20you can tell us about
734. 24:22yeah that is ww annette harriskins.com
735. 24:25apparently
736. 24:25my name is complicated but annette
737. 24:27double n double t
738. 24:29haircuts h-e-r-f-k-e-n-s don't
739. 24:32and let me tell you robin made it easy
740. 24:33for everybody if you just go to woca.com
741. 24:36look at the guest list
742. 24:37you'll see annette's name and the
743. 24:39website let me give away this book good
744. 24:41morning you've got the book who's this
745. 24:43good morning this is cathy what an
746. 24:45amazing and amazing story
747. 24:47you are an amazing woman you're not
748. 24:49kidding cathy well you do have the book
749. 24:51thank you for sharing you you're welcome
750. 24:52it'll be waiting for you okay
751. 24:54thank you thank you yeah you're gonna
752. 24:56sell a lot of these and that you know
753. 24:58you did the perfect thing
754. 24:59you left us wondering about the guy in
755. 25:01orange yes
756. 25:03yeah that's the way to sell a book
757. 25:05that's the way to do it right there
758. 25:08uh annette i love your accent and
759. 25:11i just loved this conversation thank you
760. 25:13so much for being on the air with us
761. 25:14today
762. 25:15well thank you thank you if you're ever
763. 25:17in florida
764. 25:19come on in and and robin will be in new
765. 25:21york so if you see her just wave and
766. 25:23she'll come and have coffee with you
767. 25:26annette thank you so much for being on
768. 25:28there with us today thank you
769. 25:30all right we will uh move forward we'll
770. 25:32take a little break and be right back
771. 25:47broadcasting from the paddock mall
772. 25:48studios this is woca
773. 25:51ocala gainesville the villages 1370 am
774. 25:5496 3 fm fox news radio i'm lillian wu
775. 25:59parts of the midwest picking up the
776. 26:01pieces after storms ripped through in
777. 26:02wichita for instance downing power lines
778. 26:05ripping off roofs
779. 26:06knocking over a freight train fox's
780. 26:09william laginess meanwhile the national
781. 26:10weather service says that chances have
782. 26:12grown
783. 26:12the much-feared el nino weather
784. 26:14phenomenon will strike the northern
785. 26:16hemisphere this year
786. 26:18another person's being held in the case
787. 26:20of the deadly south korean ferry tragedy
788. 26:22prosecutors detaining a man whose
789. 26:24company owned the sunken ferry
790. 26:25suspecting he knew it was overloaded he
791. 26:28says
792. 26:29he's sorry for those who died it's
793. 26:31reported the ship routinely carried too
794. 26:33much cargo and that regulators ignored
795. 26:35it
796. 26:35meanwhile bad weather today at the wreck
797. 26:37site meaning divers found
798. 26:39no more bodies just under three dozen
799. 26:41people still missing
800. 26:42fox news radio's aleister wanklen in the
801. 26:44asia bureau
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