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0:01The football pod on off the ball brought
0:04to you by Movember ahead of the game.
0:08Building mentally resilient GA
0:10communities on [music] and off the
0:12pitch.
0:15>> How are you doing? You're very welcome
0:17along to the football pod. A very
0:18special football pod. I have all my boys
0:20together. Andy Morren, you're back. How
0:23are things?
0:25>> Yeah, I think we're going to do one one
0:27one round a season. Is it? So I come on
0:29once every season, isn't it?
0:31>> I will I will take that. Um that's a
0:33good sign for you if you're coming on
0:34once every season as well.
0:36>> Yeah, great to be back lads. Thanks a
0:37million. Um no, good good couple of
0:40weeks and no listen. Delighted to be
0:42back. Big fan of the pod as they say
0:44when I am allowed listen [laughter] when
0:46I am allowed listen. I've caught up with
0:48a lot over the last couple of weeks. So
0:49it's all good.
0:50>> Just the club season stuff. Yeah.
0:51>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
0:53>> You went back and listened to a few bits
0:54and pieces in general, didn't you? Once
0:56the um once it was all said and done.
0:58Why'd you do that?
1:00>> Um, I don't really know. I think there's
1:03um there's a lot that's came with
1:06winning that obviously we didn't know
1:08about um since and one of those is how
1:11you'd feel, how you'd react. But then
1:13there's there's there's time you want to
1:15feel and you want to kind of embrace it
1:16and get back into it as well. But I
1:17found myself dripping back into, you
1:20know, little bits before the finals, you
1:22know, and um I just found it really
1:24really interesting. I found it really
1:25addictive then because people were
1:27saying stuff that you wouldn't kind of
1:29associate with your team and Mayo and
1:32stuff like that and it was just it was
1:34kind of it's just really it was really
1:36interesting. Um, Joe, you don't mind
1:38like what I found from it. I wouldn't be
1:40one of these fellas to to kind of think
1:43too much into it because I know we did
1:44this in year one. I remember I said I
1:47said uh about 2021. I remember saying
1:50about the Mayo will have the we'll have
1:52the upper hand in midfield over Kennedy
1:54and Kilpatrick, you know. And I remember
1:56they were they were out on day three,
1:57I'd say. And I got an old I got an old
1:59private message on Instagram slagging
2:01me, you know. I [laughter]
2:03I know you say things uh for a bit of
2:05crack, too. you need a bit of traction
2:07and stuff like that. But there was one
2:08or two bits maybe that that got under me
2:10skin a tiny bit. Do you know?
2:12>> That's uh that sounds like fuel for
2:142027.
2:15>> Ah, yeah. Scott, even that people that
2:17aren't really involved anymore like it
2:19was, do you know what I found
2:21fascinating? I found fascinating the way
2:24we're still grading teams like it was
2:26the old game. You know, we're still like
2:29Cork up and beat Tony G, but Chad Cork
2:32aren't that good. Joe Cork like when
2:34they played Carrie in the monster final
2:35week we did a lot of research on that
2:36before the final and until Tony came on
2:40Tony Broman came on Cork were right in
2:42the game Joe I think Tony Broman kicked
2:44James you can correct me five or six
2:45points sets up Clifford on a back door
2:47cut for the
2:48>> goal
2:50>> and then like I was hearing all this
2:51kind of stuff about Cork after after the
2:53thing and I was kind of like Cork really
2:55good this year you know got promoted
2:57from division two come beat Dunny G and
2:59Dunny G really pushed Kerry and Joe
3:01people I think the way the teams were h
3:04described in one podcast was they were
3:07grade two teams. It was like I think
3:09they said it like in horse racing
3:10[laughter]
3:11if James you definitely understand horse
3:13racing from being in in pubs like that
3:15they were calling them grade two horses
3:16like I was like it's the most dismissive
3:18thing I've ever heard in me life you
3:19know and I was thinking it's just a bit
3:21much you know.
3:23>> Yeah it is like it's impossible to
3:25actually to rate teams based on how they
3:27perform against other teams isn't it? is
3:29I remember even that game that Carrie
3:30Cork game Kerry just nailed down Cork's
3:33attack so much they put him they put him
3:35onto their weaker legs every time and
3:38Cork would dribbling the ball into into
3:40Shane Murphy's hands in goals and I
3:43think we were kind of thinking if they
3:45go up there and and Donny Gaul kind of
3:46do similar I suppose everyone at the
3:48time thought that Dunny Gaul was going
3:50to be you know probably champions they
3:52were favorites at the time but for them
3:54to turn them over up there that was that
3:56was a huge result huge is up for Cork
3:59>> and you're on about pushing like teams
4:01on to the future into 2027 2028 like
4:04that result is going to stand with Cork
4:06if that team continues to go on the
4:08progress that is going on that should
4:09stand to Cork for the next two to three
4:11years you know it's that's a I'm not
4:15saying their career defining results
4:16until you get to all Ireland finals or
4:17anything like that but there has to be a
4:19game in each year look in each process
4:22that that pushes you on and um I think
4:24that's going to be a massive result for
4:26corp like I think I I know you've been
4:28singing their praises for years, James,
4:29and they might have let you down once or
4:31twice. And uh but like
4:33>> I think I ran out of steam with him now.
4:36But [laughter] like I do think that's a
4:38that's could have been a massive
4:39defining game for Cork moving on, you
4:40know.
4:42>> We've spoken about a bit. We know we
4:45spoke a bit on the pad Andy around
4:47the structure of championship is so
4:49different now from from say when we all
4:51would have played and you know there's
4:53there's 10 or 11 games to win a
4:54championship and it's very since the the
4:57change has come in no team even the all
4:59Ireland champions in each season has
5:01gone and played exceptionally well in
5:03all 10 games on the spin it's nearly
5:07look at you guys this year with the
5:08Rossy's game Kerry last year with the
5:10the me game famously Tommy which we're
5:12still going on about But teams have
5:15dips. It's very very difficult over the
5:17course of four months to have
5:18exceptional performances week on week on
5:20week. Particularly when you get out of
5:21provincial campaign and we are we're
5:24guilty of it that a team plays poorly in
5:26a game. It doesn't mean they're out of
5:27the championship whether we seen Kerry
5:29the opening game of the all Ireland
5:30series with Dunny go and was a red card
5:32which probably took it out of context a
5:33bit but we are probably judging teams by
5:36the old way but if you lo you had a
5:37horrendous championship performance you
5:38were you were gone. That was the end of
5:40it. whereas you have opportunities to
5:42get back and we haven't seen a team in
5:44the new iteration just go and blitz
5:46everyone for for four months straight.
5:47It's very very difficult to do and maybe
5:49we won't. Maybe every all I champion
5:52over the next few seasons is going to
5:53have days where they're where they're
5:55picked apart by an opponent and you
5:57learn from it and you get back on the
5:58horse. But I I definitely agree. We're
6:00probably still in the realm of judging
6:03teams. Um maybe through a lens of of
6:06previous championships, you know,
6:08>> but through the lens of your team,
6:10Penny. That's what we're judging them
6:12through. We're through like you were
6:13>> I think that's unfair that any team is
6:16expected to win.
6:17>> I agree.
6:17>> Six. Yeah. Not lose a champion match for
6:19six years. Very different landscape.
6:22>> Patty, remember you would remember you
6:23with Carlo that famous game in Carlo,
6:25you know. um
6:28John and you still won the game by seven
6:29or eight points like and people thought
6:30you were finished you know if you didn't
6:32win a [laughter] game by six seven 10
6:35points in against a team everyone
6:37thought Joe everyone was looking just
6:39for a [ __ ] in your armor where it's a
6:41tiny bit different now you and you
6:43mentioned teams like we had obviously
6:45your game against common Donny go at
6:48their game Kerry had their game against
6:50Tony gold twice you know everyone had
6:52their their game where it wasn't perfect
6:55and that's just I think that's just the
6:57nature of these
6:59new teams coming but like we're still
7:02rating them against year six in a row
7:03team which is Joe which is is such a
7:06high bar to be rating teams against like
7:10>> you're probably going to go down as
7:11greatest team of all time do you know
7:13>> yeah we're we're looking in from the
7:15outside Andy and we're trying to get a
7:17handle on what's going on and what's
7:19happening in teams
7:21you mentioned Russ common there's also
7:24Tyrone a little later. When did you know
7:27during this season that things were
7:30clicking, motoring, or were they always
7:32clicking [clears throat] and we just
7:33weren't seeing it?
7:35>> Oh, no, they weren't. But
7:37>> I think we see it. You're United fans,
7:39are you? We full positive fans.
7:43>> Yeah. But like [laughter]
7:45you're going through a massive
7:46transition. But but when you're changing
7:48any style of play or when you're change
7:50and I'm I'm very I think it needs to be
7:53said like it's people are going on about
7:55styles and styles and styles. No style
7:57is right and no style is wrong. It's
7:59it's what suits what suits the team. But
8:01what happens in that period takes a time
8:05to get
8:07you know us to know the exact players to
8:09put into positions and we're still not
8:11there in my opinion. Um, and don't want
8:14the players to fully kind of believe in
8:16it. What I mean fully believe in it is
8:18that when they're in the heat of it,
8:20when they're really in the heat of it.
8:22So when the Rossies put the twist on
8:23you, do you fully believe in what you're
8:26doing? And if you don't, then you get
8:28caught between ying and yang, two
8:30different styles, and then it goes, you
8:32know, it goes to a place where you never
8:33wanted to go to. And uh, that's what
8:36happened. And it happened to us again.
8:38Um,
8:40a week later we were playing brilliant
8:41football 11 up. We make one mistake with
8:44we try to put one across the goal. Rory
8:47hits a 70 yarder to Stevie Mooney.
8:49Stevie Mooney hits a 70 yard call. It's
8:51the goal of the season. Do you know of
8:53the season
8:54>> like it's unbelievable like the ball
8:56didn't hit the floor like it was it was
8:58such a goal but like that was all if we
9:00put that over the bar hand pass over the
9:02bar we go 12 points up and we run out
9:04the gate. But all of a sudden this
9:06>> bit of magic by Rory and Bobby and and
9:09Stephen and uh all of a sudden the games
9:11so then you get caught between the
9:12system again and then the week after
9:15there was a telling one for me where I
9:16thought we were moving then because I
9:17knew how hard it was to go up to Clonus
9:19and and get a win. We played Tyrone and
9:22I think that was the first time that h
9:25both Patty Thally and Paul Durkin felt
9:28okay we can see that that was better. It
9:32was more controlled. We didn't get the
9:34win. We didn't put with six goal
9:36chances. I think Daryl was the only one
9:38that got the goal on the day. And when
9:39Morgan hits a two-pointer to nail us,
9:41but the two boys came in afterwards and
9:43said, "All right." And the players knew
9:45that that was better.
9:46>> Players knew even though we lost, they
9:48were like, "Okay, we can see what we're
9:50doing here." We made a few positional
9:52errors I I think on the on the on the
9:55team against me and as soon as we sorted
9:57them out the whole thing turned and the
9:59boys got a bit of relief from the crowd
10:01and then from then on it was it looked
10:03like it was going in the right
10:04direction. You know,
10:05>> there's just incredible to look back on
10:09>> for there's a great saying that players
10:11don't rise to the occasion, they fall to
10:13the level of their training.
10:15>> That whatever you're you're working on
10:16that, you know, there's lots of
10:18distractions around, but whatever you've
10:19worked on and you buy into is what
10:21you'll deliver. And and the most
10:22impressive thing from the outside and
10:24Andy, this is a victory lap for you on
10:26this parade and for for your from this
10:28pod and for the team over the next few
10:30months was you're right and that try
10:33I've only kind of experienced that real
10:35change and a structure a team a new
10:37management team coming in and trying to
10:39change a philosophy but you once were
10:41doubling my career and it it probably
10:43took three years to implement that that
10:45we would have come in I could have
10:46started pillar calf team I was on a
10:48young and it was man-to-man mark and
10:50Patroy Mickey Wheeling came in in09 and
10:53it was like you need to start defending
10:56zone and this was alien to everyone and
10:58it took three years and we had some
11:00absolute horror shows over that period
11:02of time and it was exactly what you were
11:04talking to describe it Andy you know
11:06things start going wrong and they start
11:08easing back into your shell go I used to
11:10do it this way and some players go well
11:11I'm going to still man mark my man and
11:14there's just this disconnect and and if
11:16you're playing a really aggressive style
11:18of play the whole gang has to be in on
11:21this 100%. There can't be any doubt.
11:24There can't be any deviation. And then
11:26I'm sure maybe my touching be we've seen
11:28some examples of that. Maybe the me game
11:30in particular springs to mind. But it
11:32takes time to change and get everyone
11:35singing off the same pimp sheet. And the
11:36most impressive thing is for you guys is
11:38to to have done that
11:41so quickly,
11:43absorb some of the bumps you had through
11:45the league and championship and then by
11:47the end of the first season be all
11:49champions. that like that is an immense
11:52um credit to the coaches but the players
11:55for everyone to buy into that and get
11:56the rewards of it cuz it's that is such
11:58such a difficult thing to do for for a
12:00team to try and implement.
12:05>> Yeah. And I would like the no point
12:07dressing like everyone kind of said to
12:08us what changed after nothing really
12:10changed. We we
12:13>> I would say we need to take an awful lot
12:14of flack for them first 20 minutes
12:16against me. I think the boys were very
12:17nervous within that game in terms of we
12:20knew this was make or break. Um I think
12:23it was probably the only time I was
12:24nervous throughout the whole year in
12:26terms of knew that game was so huge
12:29because we like we were saying to the
12:30lads all year we just need to get to
12:33Crow Park here and that was it. It was
12:35either get to it in that point or or
12:37don't get to it. And Boiler was very
12:39vocal about that in terms of saying no
12:41lads this is a waste of a year if we
12:43don't if we don't win this game at home.
12:44And you know he wouldn't have said that
12:46to the players but he said that to the
12:48management team. So there was a bit of
12:49even nerves within us but we did within
12:52these teams you need to have the the the
12:55the right players in the right positions
12:57and and we didn't.
13:00>> There was a couple of switches Andy in
13:02that game because I was I was watching
13:03it back the Allstars are being picked
13:04this week and I thought there was a
13:05couple of games that were worth watching
13:06back to make decisions over but
13:08[laughter] in that game you can see a
13:10couple of changes. A couple of them are
13:11forced. Darren Burn picks up an injury
13:14in that game and Tommy Conroy comes in
13:16and you see the impact Conroy has in
13:17that game. I think they have McBryine's
13:19position switches and then there's a
13:22moment before Ronan Jones's black card
13:24where Matthew Rouan comes in and I don't
13:26know if you've caught the TV shot of
13:28this but Ruan comes in like a a man
13:31possessed and he grabs a meat lad and he
13:33points around and he tries to get a
13:35couple of fellas going and the game
13:36you've already got your comeback going
13:38here. The game is in the melting pot and
13:40Mike Finity says that Matty Rouan would
13:42be playing a league game with Brafey I
13:44think maybe earlier that week or
13:45something like that.
13:46>> So just there was a couple of things
13:48that maybe shifted within that 20
13:50minutes. Maybe there was a halftime team
13:51talk like what was it that changed in
13:53that game?
13:55>> Yeah, we went with McBry at three to
13:57Mark Matty Donley and Tyrone and just to
13:59kind of strengthen us up there like
14:00David is such an important player for
14:03us. case. Um
14:06John, we like to play him in different
14:07positions at times, but his pace, his
14:11power is so so important to us around
14:13the field. So Joe, we played him at
14:15fullback that day. It wasn't the right
14:16move. We switched himself to Roy
14:18Brickington after about 22 23 minutes
14:20and it changed the full complexion of
14:21the game where Joe were both suited
14:25better to their men. That'd be one of
14:26the things I would say I like fully
14:28responsible for getting that wrong in
14:29the first 20 minutes. Um and it was
14:32something that we're always fighting
14:33with all year in terms of that position
14:36and uh yeah we definitely got it wrong
14:38that day and we did we didn't we didn't
14:40change back then after that which was
14:41which was big for us German Conor coming
14:44on at after 25 minutes. Um just huge
14:48huge decision for us. But Conroy Tommy
14:53we probably overminded Tommy in the
14:56league where we were so conscious of
14:58getting him back fit and we wanted him
15:00fit for the tail end of the season that
15:02he was undercooked for us common. He was
15:04he was 100% undercooked for us common
15:07but then we played Limmerick in a
15:08challenge the following Friday night. We
15:10played a few challenge matches. You
15:11could see him come. We didn't get him on
15:12against Mon and he was very frustrated.
15:14But he came on against Tyrone and he was
15:16just he was like a new man really to be
15:18honest with you. He was he was he was
15:21huge for us like I I mean like he
15:23started winning ball high up the field
15:24got us into position started doing Tommy
15:27Conroy stuff from six years ago and five
15:29years ago and that's that's what we're
15:30waiting for. Tommy would be unbelievably
15:32highly rated you know and we we we'd
15:35have the time of the world for him but
15:36the game in Tyrone really changed this
15:38season. That was a big one. Matty then
15:40as an all-star midfielder in 2021 got a
15:43bad injury last year to get operated.
15:45Was very frustrated with me during the
15:46year and uh you know we got him playing
15:49a few club club games to get him going
15:50and you know just started showing a bit
15:52of form at training and was a huge
15:54impact for us off the bench coming down
15:56the stretch with me cork loud and and
15:58carried you know
16:00>> yeah you'd played with those lads and
16:02coached some of them as well. What are
16:03you what are you saying to Amari Ruan
16:05when he's round with you and wants to
16:07get into that team cuz you had such
16:10competitiveness in that team. James,
16:11sorry, I'll let you in next after that.
16:12>> Yeah, it's just you have to I think you
16:14just have to be honest particularly with
16:16Matty. Matt Matty's such an honest fella
16:17in terms of he'll say it to you,
16:19there'll be no holding back and you have
16:22to just give him the freedom to do that
16:23and kind of know his personality when he
16:25when he's doing that. He's not doing it
16:26toward you or the team or anything like
16:28that. He's doing it because he's so
16:30hungry and wants to play so much. And
16:32Joe, if you can just show them, that's
16:33the power of the of we use Huddle. I
16:36don't know what the boys used. Um, but
16:39we we use called Huddle and your video
16:41analysis. And if you can just show there
16:46>> shiver on the spine [laughter]
16:48puddle. Jeez, the hide behind. [snorts]
16:51>> Yeah. And if like Manny knows that if he
16:53can show us that he's doing X, Y, and
16:56Zed and this why he should be on the
16:57team, we will listen to him and we'll
16:58get him in. And you first showing them
17:00this is why we're holding you. This is
17:01where we need you. They're not a sponge,
17:03Tommy. They will listen to that and they
17:05know that's the way it works, you know.
17:07>> Yeah.
17:07>> Andy,
17:08>> I was just going to ask you Andy, before
17:10you come in,
17:11do
17:11>> you know like with coaching at the
17:14moment, right? You might disagree with
17:15this, but I find a lot of it has gone
17:18kind of very team-based coaching in
17:21terms of like as you said,
17:24kind of systems of play and all this
17:26stuff. And I find that sometimes there's
17:29not enough emphasis maybe on individuals
17:31and making an individual better, right?
17:34But if I look at Mayo this year and I
17:37think of a couple of fellas who got so
17:40much better as the year went on, maybe
17:42even from the start of the year, but
17:44like was that something he considered in
17:47terms of like Burn, Kobe, Carney, just
17:50three off the top of my head who got
17:51like individually so much better and not
17:54necessarily, you know, in terms of that
17:56being a a systematic change or anything,
17:58but is that individual coaching
18:00something that you take on take on board
18:02or that you focused
18:05Yeah. Uh, it would have been um I'd be
18:08very kind of careful who I'd
18:10individually coach. Like just say I had
18:11you, I wouldn't I wouldn't be showing
18:13you how to kick the ball. You were a
18:14better kicker than me. If you're, you
18:15know, a tackler, you wouldn't be you
18:17wouldn't be showing them how to tackle
18:19because they were better than that at
18:20you. But if you can kind of give them
18:21the freedom and to say, "This is what I
18:24think you're good at. Go and do it and
18:26we won't give out to you when you [ __ ]
18:28it up." I think that's nearly the the
18:30the biggest thing you need to do. We we
18:32had a group of lads and you mentioned
18:34Kobe and Dara. I can't take any credit
18:36for Kobe and Dara. They came into me,
18:38their two dads played county football.
18:40Um
18:42Joe came in at 18, 19 years of age were
18:44ready to play, physically ready,
18:45everything. So, but the guys then that I
18:48had at under 20 in 2020 with Mike Solen,
18:51Joe, the Jack Coins, the Dave McBryins,
18:53the Jack Carney, Joe Rhino, Donu, Jordan
18:55Flynn were a bit older than them. um and
18:58the Hessians like we knew that they were
19:00better than what they were producing on
19:02the field. we like and we we chased them
19:05and we showed them what we wanted them
19:06to do and we you know kind of I suppose
19:09created a pathway for them to do that
19:10and that's to me is nearly more
19:12important than the coaching itself
19:14because yes you can give a fellow a tip
19:16where like I might have watched Bernard
19:19when I was playing and I was kind of
19:20obsessed watching burner but the way he
19:22could get the ball from his hand to his
19:23foot so quickly
19:25>> like I was like oh Jesus I need to do
19:27that so I like I can coach I can see
19:29that coach must have to do it. So you
19:31might give a small
19:33tip, but like a person like Jack Carney
19:36or Rhino Dunu, I'm not going to go in
19:37and say kick the ball this way or kick
19:39the ball that way or move this way. You
19:41show them where to be, how to get into
19:42the position, but then they have all the
19:44kind of skills built up then and it's
19:45about just I suppose creating an idea
19:48for them and then letting them off and
19:49do their own thing, you know.
19:51>> What about when yourself and Killian
19:52used to do the um Tommy's favorite word
19:55with the screening or not even
19:56screening, but you kind of interfere a
19:58little bit with your with your Don't
20:00answer
20:01>> friends marker.
20:02>> Don't answer that question [laughter]
20:04>> cuz you two were the best at receiving
20:06kick passes.
20:09>> You were the best at receiving kick
20:10passes. And you say about Conroy winning
20:11the ball up high. Like that's such a
20:13skill. In my mind, I think that's the
20:15best skill an inside forward can have is
20:17to be able to receive a kick pass up
20:20high, take all the pressure off his team
20:22and allow a runner to come to either,
20:24you know, preferably show and go if it
20:26was me and go yourself, but [laughter]
20:27dish a runner.
20:30But like, you know, like those sort of
20:32things, they're not part of an in or a
20:34kind of a a full team session. They are
20:37more individual things that sometimes
20:39can get lost. I I find at the moment
20:42>> I know it's it's Tommy do you want to
20:44get off this pod those us three full
20:46fours will start talking [laughter] half
20:47an hour because you'll be talking there
20:49Jimmy and like Patty was on about
20:52shivers when we talk about huddle that
20:54sort of stuff is kind of what excites me
20:56about football like I love nothing more
20:59than seeing a fellow winning a ball and
21:01either shaming and going themselves or
21:03slipping someone through the channel
21:04that's to me that's
21:07>> prime football
21:08>> yeah it's prime um prime inside forward
21:12play like and then like the next one you
21:14might give it to the give him the first
21:15time and then the defender goes at him
21:17the second time you turn on to your left
21:18and you kick it over yourself.
21:19[laughter] So that's to me that's
21:20football brilliance 101. But like
21:23similar to you on about me and Killian,
21:25we would have worked out a lot on it.
21:26There's no point denying that two of us
21:28were we didn't have the highest pace
21:30levels in the world. So we needed to
21:32make a gap somewhere. I wasn't going to
21:33make a gap on Fitz Simons or Johnny
21:35Cooper without some sort of interference
21:38in it. But similar Patty used to be
21:40always the first runner coming out of
21:41the Dublin front line. So like Patty
21:44realized okay Bernard is more deadly
21:46than me in around the in around the
21:48penalty spot in around the that 1321. So
21:50Patty was unselfish enough to make the
21:52first run to make the space to leave the
21:54channels in between. So all that little
21:56intricacies have to be worked on
21:58>> have to be worked on. Your goal against
22:00us in 16 where or 15 was it? No, 14.
22:03Sorry. Where Donnie catches the ball.
22:05Like
22:07I'm sure he worked on high ball into
22:09Donnie at some stage, Joe. And you were
22:11kind of picturing getting the
22:13visualization and seeing the imagery
22:15where this ball when David Mo has the
22:17ball, he's kicking into that wasn't the
22:19first time you ever seen that picture.
22:20>> So,
22:21>> no. Jeez. Yeah.
22:22>> Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? So,
22:23you worked on it. You give a similar one
22:24into Donnie for Clifford's goal up Mona
22:26and then maybe two or three years later
22:28like you didn't see that pitcher just at
22:30that moment. He he practiced it and he
22:32moved it and like what we would try to
22:35do now with
22:37with Mo, we would have a system of play
22:39and we would practice it and run plays
22:41and and do things like that of course
22:43and we would show the guys on that video
22:45again of how we want them to move and
22:47where we want them to move too. Do you
22:48know?
22:49>> Mhm. cuz it can be hard sometimes to get
22:51those those things going because like if
22:54>> if your your sports scientists or your
22:57you know your high speed meters are
22:58almost kind of and even team meetings
23:01like are in the way nearly to [laughter]
23:04of doing those kind of me here now those
23:07getting it all up. But those little 15
23:10minutes that you would spend with your
23:12your buddy, you know, before session or
23:14after session, it's nearly because your
23:16meeting is so important now and because
23:18your high-speed meters and your load is
23:20so important, sometimes they can be
23:21missed. It is something that is just
23:23like it's on my mind a lot at the moment
23:25because I think like one of those great
23:29moments between two inside forwards can
23:32win you a championship way more so than
23:35maybe doing a repetitive drill in in a
23:37team-based situation. That's why it's
23:39just in the forefront of my mind at the
23:40moment. No, no, I agree with you. And
23:42like it's personality types as well in
23:44terms of Joe, if we just talk about us
23:47three here on the pod really like like
23:49Patty realizing that and Patty, I'm not
23:52dismissing your role within it. It's
23:54huge role, right? Patty realizing that
23:56Bernard was the star in inside forward.
24:00I'm like, do you want to be on the team?
24:02You have to allow Bernard to be that
24:04star. So, you need someone in that's
24:05going to make the dirty runs for him.
24:07Then like if you look at Kerry with with
24:09with David Clifford like David Clifford
24:11loves playing with Dylan Gayy like
24:13because Dylan will actually gallop and
24:15run and move and he can score himself.
24:17He's such a brilliant player in his own
24:19right but he will do all that kind of
24:21work right and left show for the ball
24:23and you know that's it's it's showing
24:26them but then all also identifying a
24:28personality type where these fellas can
24:31make the run for each other. Like same
24:33with Donnie and Gu, you know, they had a
24:35very clear understanding of, you know,
24:38what Gu was brilliant at, what Donnie
24:39was at. And like even you, James, in the
24:4114th final where you knew you were going
24:43to be marked, who was going to be tied
24:44inside, you come in and play as that
24:45playmaker in between the center forward
24:47and the midfielder. That's just you
24:49parking your ego and getting the job
24:50done. Do you know?
24:52>> But that it comes back to you talking
24:54about styles of play there, Andy and
24:56Jimmy, like like
24:58the coach will set the style. this is
25:01how we want to play like and say from
25:03our side and and the Euro Mayo team and
25:05the current Mayo team the success is we
25:07want to move the ball really fast we
25:09want to kick the ball that that's that's
25:11our style of play that's what excites
25:13the players that's what gives us the
25:14best opportunity to win so we train it
25:16every night every night that will be the
25:18drills and it's up to the individual
25:20players then as you say Jimmy to work on
25:22those skills if if this is the way we're
25:24going to play and the coaches are going
25:26to pick the team that we need to be fast
25:28we need to be mobile we need to kick the
25:30ball we the the guys who can get out and
25:32collect the ball. There's no point in
25:35the backs and midfielders kicking the
25:36ball up the pitch and the ballers can't
25:38[ __ ] catch the thing. So, so like we
25:40all understood in our group that if you
25:43want to play, you need to master those
25:45skills. And and you've said it, Andy,
25:47nail on the head. I'm going for me, I'm
25:49not going to get in ahead of those guys
25:50doing those, but I can get in the team
25:52this way. and every team we talk about
25:55religiously on like this collaborative
25:58forward like that that we can't have six
26:01superstars kicking the ball over the bar
26:03and everyone wants to kick the ball over
26:04the bar. That doesn't work. Won't
26:06happen. You need guys to like Dylan Gay
26:09is a prime example. Ryan Dunn who in in
26:11the final Andy like okay play maybe a
26:14slower start in terms of scoring but
26:16he's going to get into the game because
26:17he's going to work his whole off and set
26:18the tone for other players. There's
26:20different ways that forwards can impact
26:22games and the sooner you realize that
26:24what you're good at and what your
26:25teammates maybe need you for. The sky's
26:28is the limit there, you know, and every
26:31every year we see teams doing and May
26:32was the latest example of it this year.
26:34But any teams we were successful in as
26:36players, that was key. The forward unit
26:39work together as opposed to just having
26:41six star forwards.
26:44And to Tommy, you you just before you
26:46come in there, I know you were trying to
26:47come in, but I remember being on the pod
26:49year one and before I was replaced by
26:52the star. So James, I don't know, but
26:54you asked Patty on numerous occasions
26:57coming up to them dubbing games. John,
26:58what did you practice? And he said,
27:00listen, my answer is going to be so
27:01boring here. We just practice the skills
27:03of the game and the way we wanted. And
27:05and like sometimes, I think that's what
27:06you're trying to say there, James.
27:08Sometimes we're going away from this
27:10because we're so entrenched on systems
27:14and shape and all this sort of stuff.
27:16We're actually not practicing the way an
27:17inside forward should move and the
27:19skills of the game, etc., etc.
27:21>> I have a couple of quick ones that I
27:23want to get back to later and James
27:24Patty come in on them later on too
27:26because there is so much from the
27:27season. But I just want to change pace
27:28for just a moment, Andy, because it was
27:31a big weekend in Mayo and football.
27:33Everyone is excited and enjoying their
27:34football at the minute. Just quickly,
27:37can you talk to us about Arda and what
27:39it meant for them to win the junior
27:40football championship at the weekend?
27:43>> Yeah, and like have to admit my own
27:47manager, I'm ignorant enough to junior
27:48championship. Um, I'm only here two
27:50years and uh I suppose like sorry going
27:53into me second club season and I
27:56wouldn't have seen much junior up to
27:57that point, thank God for my own club.
27:59Um, but like the cars, not only it's
28:03James Car's club and they have a couple
28:05of young players coming through, young
28:07Kerry and a couple of them coming
28:08through, but like they're a relatively
28:09new club, but like James's grandfather
28:12such a big part in setting up that club
28:14like so you have his grandson, you know,
28:16winning all Ireland and the junior
28:18title. He was man of the match. He ah
28:20was it was it was crazy stuff, you know,
28:22and never won it before. It was just it
28:25was just amazing in terms of um what
28:28they've achieved and for them to be
28:29playing intermediate football lads is
28:32crazy. It was great for us to have a
28:34junior [clears throat] player on the
28:35squad because that doesn't usually
28:36happen too much. But for James to be
28:38that player for the last five, six,
28:40seven, eight years was amazing around
28:42the around the place to sponsor a lot of
28:44stuff. They do an awful lot of work
28:46around the around the village and for
28:48that family and that that club to win is
28:50just amazing. There's one pub in Arda.
28:53I'm trying to think of the name of it
28:54now. It's on the road between Balna and
28:56Bel Mulad. I pulled into it. Um
28:58>> we pulled into it too on the on our way
29:00to Cross Malina. I don't know the name
29:01but I'm apologize. [laughter]
29:03>> H the halfway house in Arda I think it
29:05is. And a lovely little spot. But um
29:07yeah, that was a big one. Arda and then
29:09Caspar Mitchell's of course winning the
29:11senior championship. A clatter of the
29:13lads involved there. We know the Gary
29:14Moore story over the last couple of
29:15weekends too. They were looking to win
29:16their first since the 80s. Uh they just
29:18fell short. Casabar pulling away late on
29:21and then your compadre Colin Bole
29:24delivering for David up against um they
29:28they won. Fenc Kelly is cousin obviously
29:29playing as well and one of your members
29:31of your panel too but David's winning
29:32the intermediate is a big one as well.
29:34What's the story with all of your uh
29:36your backroom team playing or club
29:38football this year? You're all mad into
29:39it.
29:40>> No boiler plays. Um none of the rest was
29:44gez I there's cameos every now and then
29:46but the I do not play. I'm not a
29:48footballer. Jesus Christ. Uh but yeah,
29:51Boiler came on with about 25 to go. They
29:53were just bing over getting a bit of
29:54heat on them and he come on and uh yeah,
29:56he did very well. He kicked a point. He
29:58kicked a little corner forward point.
29:59Lads, he'd be delighted. He didn't want
30:01to break a ball and just curve it over
30:02with the right. Yeah.
30:05>> Fisted it over.
30:06>> No, no. Like I thought he was going to
30:08fist it, but he didn't. The little
30:09[laughter] little leggings on but he's
30:11in great shape. Like he's not a normal
30:1240-year-old man now. Um Yeah. He's no
30:16he's no he's no airs on him like I have
30:18now at the minute to be honest with you
30:19but um yeah
30:21>> was left was he left predominantly he
30:23was left leg right
30:26you need to get back on
30:27>> oh yes he had the outside right
30:29[laughter]
30:31>> I never thought you'd mix up a left
30:33footer Jimmy now to be honest with you
30:34but
30:34>> I know I thought he was I don't know
30:36yeah
30:37>> the quote
30:40>> go on
30:40>> go on you go on
30:41>> no no no the cast one was just it's it's
30:44yeah Gary more bet them earlier in the
30:46year which is never um
30:49yeah it's it it sometimes damages it
30:52doesn't it you only get the one chance
30:53to kind of beat these big town teams
30:55when you get the chance so um at Caspar
30:57were brilliant Bob Tuy was unbelievable
31:00kick six points six points from play
31:02from midfield dominated and kind of
31:04start to finish Gary Fo well in the
31:06second half but they just they just
31:08struggled to come back but Casemar like
31:10there's a young fellow there called Ben
31:11Joyce coming on at halftime for or
31:13coming on with 20 to go for them Yeah,
31:15>> if Ben was from Baladrin, he'd be
31:16playing center forward. He' be taking
31:18the penalties, everything. He'd be doing
31:20everything. So, he's uh Joe, it's just
31:22these and you've noticed it a lot, lads.
31:24I don't know if you if you've noticed
31:26it, an awful lot of the big towns have
31:29won an a lot of the championships this
31:31year. So, it's, you know, that's Balan
31:33three in a row last three years and now
31:36Casabar and our place, you know. So,
31:37it's it's uh I'm not saying it's a
31:40worry, but it's it is Joe like the the
31:43players that Cavar and Westport, which
31:45is great for me. Uh Balan, these the
31:49Kamar are producing like it could go
31:52that way for a while in in May. You
31:54know,
31:55>> you've had an unbelievable couple of
31:57months as we know and and celebrating in
31:59the most brilliant way, but you did
32:02speak about why don't we get a bit
32:04greedy in the aftermath as well. How are
32:07you looking to 2027 or or are you doing
32:10that? And I know the club championship
32:12is a part of it. You're probably
32:13worrying about fellas getting injured or
32:15minding themselves over the next couple
32:16of weeks as well. Um there's the
32:18Allstars this Friday night. Your team
32:20holiday is Saturday. You have your
32:21medals presentation in November. There's
32:23the game against Kerry in November. So
32:24all these things are happening too which
32:25are all amazing as well. But how are you
32:27balancing that Andy with I suppose
32:29getting greedy?
32:32>> Um I don't think I'll know the answers
32:33to that Tommy for a couple of couple of
32:34months. Um, John, we like we've we've
32:38done all our testing. We've we're ready
32:40to I suppose we're we're back into the
32:42kind of mode of training. But there's a
32:44lot of like there's a lot of
32:45responsibility with winning Sam. I I
32:47remember the old Mio people telling me
32:50about the the Dublins going around with
32:51the cup for every year they were coming
32:53to the school and there might be one
32:55representative with a M jersey on them
32:56and these Dublin boys coming. So it is
32:58tough James remember back it like when
33:01you want to change like it's not this is
33:04not easy like you have to like we're
33:05trying to give the kids all an
33:07opportunity to to to but that takes a
33:09road every week it takes you know lads
33:12going to the schools it takes obviously
33:14the trips to Chicago New York these
33:16people who supported us for like I first
33:18joined the panel in 2003 you know these
33:20people have been behind us every step of
33:22the way it's very important to honor
33:24that um but like it's tough but like I
33:27do think young men crave routine and I
33:31think eventually they're going to just
33:33go I need to be back. I I need to stop
33:36doing this and I need I know I'm already
33:38at that point. So I'm hoping the lads
33:40are are getting it like the young lads
33:42that are coming into the panel that are
33:43joining them. There's 10 of them. Uh
33:45they were in doing a bit of work
33:47yesterday evening in terms of video
33:49analysis and a bit of bits and pieces
33:51like that. So, um hopefully the the boys
33:53will kind of fill back in. The advantage
33:55for us that Kerry don't have,
33:57>> you know, we've had fellas out with the
33:58championships in September. So,
34:00>> um Joe, them boys have got a good rest
34:03now and they'll be ready to rock. You
34:04know,
34:05>> we we haven't done a hookup yet. Like,
34:07we haven't even thought about that.
34:09>> The whole divisional championships are
34:11starting. [laughter]
34:11>> It's like I don't know,
34:15>> but it's
34:15>> I agree. I think that the the load of
34:17footballing and carry actually suits
34:18him. I know that like even I hear Jack O
34:20Connor talking and a lot of the back
34:22room team they're looking to to reduce
34:24the game. It's maybe in line with other
34:26counties but there is definitely
34:28benefits to it but you know it seems to
34:31be Kerry seem to be tipping around the
34:32later stages so it's hard to kind of
34:34argue against it.
34:35>> Yeah. Me and Tommy used to have this I
34:38don't think we ever had it on the but we
34:39used to have this conversation Tommy in
34:41terms of the amount of football Kerry
34:43play. It's
34:45>> it's it's um and we used to always say
34:47it was a big advantage. Um we used to
34:50big advantage because like you're
34:51playing more you're playing more of the
34:54sport. Like it's the only thing that we
34:55want to do less of to get better at.
34:57It's it's a big contradiction in it. But
35:00there has to be a point. I don't think
35:02it's physical rest at all. I think the
35:04mental rest is the the mental rest is
35:06the key one. And if uh if you can get
35:08boys really tuned in for seven to eight
35:10months, it's going to give you a big
35:12advantage.
35:13you had
35:13>> you know I was just thinking Andy right
35:15that the there's no doubt that everyone
35:18involved in in the all Ireland win this
35:20year their lives have probably changed
35:22on the back of it right
35:24like is there a fine line between
35:29letting everyone embrace it and become a
35:33better player on the back of it but also
35:35kind of reigning them in a little bit or
35:37is that something that that has to be
35:39done? I remember in I think when we we
35:42won it in 14 and there was a little bit
35:45of too much of an emphasis I thought
35:47looking back on us not getting carried
35:48away but like sometimes
35:52the confidence fellas can take naturally
35:56is is more beneficial or it's it's kind
35:58of better than the possible negatives as
36:00well. Do you know is that something
36:01you've kind of thought about because
36:02it's obviously such a huge thing in a
36:04fella's life. Yeah, it's a two-phase
36:06question really. Like it like we've been
36:09blown away by the way Irelands have
36:10played in the club championship. Um
36:12>> really
36:13>> it's like I remember getting to all
36:14Ireland finals I used to really struggle
36:16in the like we we at that stage we were
36:18getting to the latter stages of the club
36:19championship and I used to really
36:21struggle around the semi-final stage
36:23just mentally it would nearly be too
36:25nearly be too much for me. Um but even
36:28yesterday the five cast of Var boys
36:30County boys were
36:31>> brilliant like like they were like Bob
36:34got six points in play from midfield
36:36like it's like he was doing stuff that
36:38that we haven't seen. So that's the
36:39confidence you're on about. Um
36:42>> we've kind of looked at this if I'm
36:44being honest right. So everything has to
36:45be taken into the context like like our
36:47club championship Castle Baron Balanav
36:50won the majority of them championships.
36:52You're lucky enough to be from Dublin
36:54and from Kerry. He won the majority of
36:56the all Ireland championships um since
36:58the start of Sam Magguire would say
37:01right um so everyone else that wins one
37:04you have to kind of look at yourself
37:05through that prism more so than the
37:06Dublin carry prism you know so like you
37:09go down win a one all Ireland and Kerry
37:11and boys looking at you with eight
37:12titles they might be laughing at you if
37:13you're if you went too high with it
37:16>> where I look at everyone else that has
37:19won it outside Dland and Carry no one
37:21has went back to the all I final since
37:22our man 2002 2003 three.
37:24>> That's very well.
37:26>> So, a lot of people will tell us, "Oh,
37:29you're doing it wrong." And they'll come
37:30to us next year if we don't get to where
37:32we need to get to, "Oh, you did it
37:33wrong. You did too much parting and you
37:35did this." Where's the evidence to say
37:37that? There's none.
37:38>> So, so it's important for us to embrace
37:42it, but it's all like the biggest
37:44problem and the biggest benefit, the
37:46biggest joy of it is you go to Chicago,
37:48New York the last two weeks, last week
37:50and it's the f their first time seeing
37:52it. So, it's like a homecoming again. So
37:53you're like you're back in the
37:54homecoming phase like so it was
37:56important for us to go and visit these
37:59>> these places but get them done before
38:01November and get it all out of the way
38:04before the team all done. We tried our
38:05best we tried our best to do that. Um
38:08there'll be a couple other trips later
38:10on but that that will be there'll be
38:12players that will either that have
38:14finished up or players that'll be
38:15probably injured or that needed nop or
38:17something that'll go to them. They won't
38:18be the players that be playing. But
38:20>> yeah I think I think you're dead right
38:21James. I I think it was so
38:25I think it was so important that we
38:27didn't hide these fellas under a rock
38:29and say no we need to get ready because
38:32lads he eat them up. Kerry and Dublin
38:34eat them up. So when we get one or and
38:36or I get one or Tyrone in fairness have
38:39won a couple like when they win one as
38:41well enjoy it you know.
38:42>> Andy there's another thing as well like
38:44we have a piece coming out and off the
38:46ball. We've been working and doing a
38:47couple of pieces with a couple of clubs.
38:49um a series that's going out over the
38:51next couple of months and Bel Mullet was
38:52one of them and happened to be there
38:54when Sam Magcguire was going back around
38:56the the schools there and people were
38:58getting to see Sam McGuire and this is
39:00in October and there's people seeing Sam
39:03and getting photos with Sam for the
39:05first time in their lives whether
39:06they're kids or they're elderly people
39:09or they're in the middle and even then
39:12the joy the excitement the photos the
39:14chats everyone had their own story their
39:16own version because it's We know it's a
39:1975 year journey that's been happening
39:21here. So it felt like a really conscious
39:23decision. Like I've got two aunties who
39:25are as common women working in schools
39:27of Mayo. They've already got selfies
39:28with you and sent it on to me. It feels
39:30like everyone has has done their best to
39:32experience a little bit of this joy and
39:34and this legacy of this all Ireland
39:36title.
39:36>> Yeah. There used to be a famous um like
39:39I haven't I haven't really like outside
39:41New York Chicago. Sam Magguire has been
39:42in Baderadine. I don't know when the
39:44last time he was here. You know, I had
39:46it the first maybe day or two and people
39:48keep texting me and said, "Jo, you bring
39:50Sam around." Like, I think I must have
39:51it here in the house all the time, you
39:52know, but it's there was a woman here
39:54[laughter]
39:55in Belladrine.
39:57There was a picture, there was a famous
39:58picture of Sean Flanigan coming into
40:00Badrin in 1951 and she was actually in
40:03the picture. She used to be my neighbor.
40:04She used to just live three doors up
40:06from me um in my old house and she was
40:0812 when I came the last time. So we went
40:11and re we recreated the picture with an
40:1287 year old woman like they're John
40:15they're special moments like and they're
40:18something I think
40:20like people would be on like obviously I
40:22have a little boy he's eight little girl
40:24who's 11 and they love it don't get me
40:26wrong they love it but they don't have a
40:27clue you know like really and truly they
40:29don't have a clue it's lovely for them
40:30see it and they'll have the memories but
40:31it's these older people that have waited
40:34that probably went to 11 finals didn't
40:36get to see it seen us losing them might
40:39have known the person on the team
40:41personally felt really bad for them and
40:42it's them guys that that it's all about.
40:44It's like I've seen guys in in all over
40:48the world from Akul and Belm and I
40:50sometimes get emotion when I say this
40:52but I can picture them looking back in
40:53Bel Mullet and leaving Mayo and
40:57just saying that's it I'm gone and their
41:00only identity to this place was Mayo
41:02football and to me that's you have to
41:05honor that and you have to you have to
41:06make sure that them all them fellas get
41:08pictures with with with this piece of
41:10tin that means so much to us it's mad
41:12you know
41:12>> otherwise what's the point of all the
41:14heartbreak and all the journeys and all
41:16the trying over the years. So, no, I
41:17think you're
41:17>> and these people who fundraised for us
41:19like you go to Chicago, it's full of
41:21people from Tor McKiti. That's right.
41:24Tour Mckini and like these people have
41:26fundraised for us for years like Joe
41:29giving us the best making sure that we
41:30can compete or try to compete with you
41:32guys, Joe. And it's just so important to
41:35to make that kind of possible for them.
41:37>> Massive. I have a couple of quick ones.
41:39You've been really good with your time
41:40and it's again a busy week. and Patty
41:42and James, if you have a quick one, jump
41:43in as well. Um,
41:44>> there's nothing quick with me. That's
41:46>> There's nothing quick with us either.
41:48[laughter]
41:49>> That could be my fault.
41:50>> Nothing quick, Tommy. This could
41:51literally be like tomorrow we'll be
41:53finished like
41:54>> But hey, do you remember first season of
41:56the pod? And for anyone wanting, we used
41:59to there used to be a lot more uh maybe
42:01um maybe we were a bit more naive or
42:03maybe it was during the pandemic.
42:05[laughter] We used to spend two and a
42:06half hours, two hours. I don't know who
42:07could like see this the difference
42:09between a deadly inside forward and me
42:11and Patty. Me and Patty played around
42:12the ditches. I [laughter] don't know who
42:13could get the gun quickly.
42:15>> We drag the art out of him. He's an
42:17assassin.
42:17>> Quickest route to go. Quickest route.
42:19That's what he think. I remember Tommy
42:22was like we need to get them under 40
42:23[laughter] minutes. I like the intro
42:24will be like 45 minutes. Like
42:27>> this this is a loaded question, right?
42:30Very loaded question. Where is football
42:32in 2026
42:34and where can it get to? The quick
42:36answer, Tommy. Jesus, what a question
42:38that is. Like, [laughter]
42:40>> so are you are we in the conversation
42:44about rule changes there? Where are we?
42:45>> We we can Yeah, we can get into that
42:47because I know there's potential rule
42:48changes that have been
42:49>> in the quick answer in the quick answer.
42:51>> You don't have to be that quick. It was
42:52a quick question.
42:52>> 30 seconds.
42:53>> It was a quick question. You can do a
42:54long answer.
42:55>> No, no, the the
42:58No, I think it's in a really healthy
43:00place. Like for me, it's you're going to
43:03a game yesterday, an intermediate
43:04football game. You mentioned Boiler
43:05playing it. David's hit 23 points in the
43:08game.
43:09>> Um hit 23 points and like that is just
43:12incredible in an intermediate game in a
43:14storm down at Mayo. Um and I know like
43:17I've been listening to you over the last
43:18couple of weeks, James, you're right
43:19like some of the defending does need to
43:21improve. Um but I think we need to give
43:24it time to develop within the within the
43:28prism of what we have now. and even the
43:30hand pass over the bear. We're probably
43:32essentially agree with James in terms of
43:34that. But I I I think it's
43:38I think we should leave it at the
43:39minute. I'm not saying we don't change
43:41in 18 months.
43:42>> Um like the fourpoint goal that's and
43:45people are saying it for like again I I
43:48think it will come.
43:49>> No need really is it?
43:50>> Yeah. But it's not the time to bring it
43:51in now. It's like you're like the way I
43:55look at it, the greatest football game
43:56I've ever played at is the 2017 All
43:59Ireland against uh against Dublin 117 to
44:02116. And if you look at the all Ireland
44:04final this year, it's 120 120 to 117. So
44:07when these rules came in first, it
44:08started going a bit nuts. 130s, 133s,
44:11330s, 333, 328s. But what happens in it,
44:15people get used to it and it calms down
44:17to where it should be. Um, and that's I
44:21think where it goes. You bring in a
44:22four-point goal then then you're up here
44:24again and Joe it's gone mad. People go
44:26for goal. Do you devalue the one point
44:29one point on one point score? I think
44:30you do which is a
44:31>> you do. Yeah 100%.
44:33>> I think it goes a bit like Australian
44:34rules that sort of behind if you get a
44:36one pointer in a couple in 18 months if
44:38you bring in four point call. So I think
44:40you need to give it just room to settle
44:42>> be itself. the people like we've we've
44:47Killian retired obviously um last week
44:50or maybe 10 days ago and
44:54people started talking then about the
44:55scoring rates and the scoring rates and
44:58like when David eventually takes over
45:00Killian when he does because he is going
45:02to get there you can you can you can
45:04measure the two-pointer against what
45:06Killian did because you can just go all
45:08right he could scored probably Clifford
45:10300 under two-pointers we have that okay
45:12he's still ahead of him by this amount
45:13points or what, whatever, that's fine.
45:15But what you'll never be able to measure
45:16is the 11 v11. The 11 v11 was the
45:19biggest rule change that's ever came
45:20into our game. It's it's literally the
45:23biggest rule that has ever came into our
45:25game. And uh
45:26>> we need to give that time to bet in. We
45:28need to give coaches the chance to look
45:30at it to see where they're going to go
45:31with it. If it changes and if they're
45:33bringing a four-point goal, it's not the
45:34end of the world. But I just think we're
45:36changing for the sake of change at the
45:38minute instead of doing it for any dead
45:40reason. the one, two, three model at the
45:43minute of scoring because there is still
45:44such a value in a in a one, right?
45:46Because it can carry huge weight in
45:48terms of momentum. Uh you even think of
45:50Tommy Conroy fisting that ball over the
45:52bar even though there's seconds to go.
45:53It means that Kerry need to get a goal
45:55later on rather than a two. But that I
45:58you were the first person I had properly
45:59heard properly heard articulate the
46:03value difference with the two-pointer.
46:04Um, and you guys really went after it
46:06and we're seeing club championships
46:08around the minute like have we even in
46:10your opinion I don't know have we
46:13scratched the surface yet of what teams
46:14can do in the 111 with the two with the
46:16three?
46:17>> No. No. They like there there's so many
46:19different uh functions that you can work
46:22off with this two point like the
46:25two-pointer was the big innov like 11 v1
46:27is big innovation then the two point now
46:28you're trying to work with the
46:29two-pointer. We haven't even developed
46:31inside mark. we haven't developed, you
46:33know, the the p the lines are running,
46:35the patterns, the kicks in. We haven't
46:37even got near there yet. Do you know
46:38what I'm saying? So, it has to be to the
46:40point, and you said I articulated the
46:42two one. It was Steven O'Han. I said
46:44this to you before. It was Steven O'han
46:46that articulated that to me from a um
46:49from a basketball point of view,
46:51>> basketball,
46:51>> but like if you Yeah. So, if you take
46:54away the one, like if you make that a
46:56four, it's a four and a two and a one.
46:59Like if you take a one inside the arc
47:00there, you're going to get killed. Like
47:02that shot is gone. Like between the two
47:04arcs, if you take a shot between the two
47:07arcs with a four, a two and a one, Joe,
47:09like like
47:11>> fellas is going in and kicking it back
47:12out again to take on the two-pointer,
47:13won't there?
47:14>> Uh there will be it could get could get
47:16hard to look at. Yeah.
47:17>> Yeah, there will be. So like we've came
47:19to a point now where every score
47:21matters. like a three matters like like
47:24did was there not an article a couple of
47:25weeks ago where I don't know who did it
47:28where they said it was the highest rate
47:30as goal scored in it and the highest
47:32rate of goal scoring chances ever in a
47:34championship.
47:34>> I think it was Colum Colum Keys had the
47:36the stats from the um from Johnny
47:39Bradley's uh stats review of the season.
47:42Yeah.
47:42>> Yeah. So why would you change that?
47:44>> And I still think there's so much scope
47:46to create twice the goal chances. I like
47:49I genuinely do think that if when teams
47:51do get the hang of it, when they shake
47:53off the shackles a million% of the old
47:55rules because I still think they're
47:56hanging on they're still hanging on to
47:58us all of us a little bit. They're just
48:01they're you know we're still playing
48:02whether we like it or not. It's going to
48:04take years to shake them off like
48:05because we gone so conservative like
48:08when we play that ultra free way I think
48:11it'll be goal goal goal already with
48:14three points. If it's four, it can get
48:16Yeah, it might get a bit it could get
48:18dangerous.
48:19>> But the score, you changed the scoring
48:20system in in a sport, lads. It's like
48:23imagine you went into soccer and said,
48:24"After you score a goal, we give a two
48:25for what the hell?" It's it's such a
48:29fundamental change to our game.
48:32>> Like really, it really is. I I And like
48:34testing it out in a few
48:36>> in a few games in in cigar league, it's
48:40crazy stuff. Like last year we had
48:42sandbox games at Grow Park could all go
48:43in view and we're all looking at the
48:45screens thinking what bloody score are
48:47we at here now because it was four and
48:49it was a two and a one and all of a
48:50sudden it was 27 points to 18 and you
48:52didn't know what score it was but it was
48:54we had a a good viewpoint of what was
48:56happening in front of us. Um but like
48:59for me
49:01I think we should keep investigating the
49:03rules. Um, but
49:05>> you have you have to give these rules a
49:07time to bed in like the kick out from
49:08eight odds. [clears throat]
49:11>> If you bring that back in around the
49:12small arc, you just drop off.
49:14>> Okay.
49:15>> Joe, if you bring in the backboard pass
49:17and you bring in the short kick out,
49:18should you just back off, let them come
49:20into your half and then you tackle and
49:22leave your three boys close to halfway
49:23and you push them back and then you
49:24tackle them again
49:25>> rather than the way you did it high up
49:26in the opposition full backline or
49:28pressing up. Yeah. Well, I think the
49:30fundamental Aean and Jim and and Colum
49:33and James when they were doing it, the
49:34fundamental thing was to make the pitch
49:35as big as you can. If you if you make it
49:37smaller, you're just going to make it
49:39smaller. But if it comes in, we we'll
49:40deal with it and we'll we'll work, you
49:41know.
49:42>> Yeah. No, I I think it's a positive to
49:44be having a look at things and throwing
49:47them. But
49:49my my own opinion is is certainly to
49:51leave the game where it's at for a
49:53couple of years within reason. Unless
49:55there's something like does Darra Burns
49:57does Darra Burns free from where
49:59Clifford scored his free against Galway
50:01in 24 um or 22 does is that a two-point
50:05worthy free if the
50:07>> Well, that's a very that's a very small
50:08change Tommy I remember reading um it
50:10was either in zone American or one of
50:12those books right books
50:13>> the run about when the back pass came in
50:15first and I need to be very careful here
50:18that Howard Wilkinson was the manager of
50:20leadeds at the time and they just won
50:21the league and he said the back pass
50:22take the back pass out it's it's going
50:24to destroy
50:25>> [laughter]
50:25>> It's going to destroy the competition.
50:27So, I need to be very conscious not to
50:28be that person as well. But like I I
50:30just think we're in a sweet spot. But
50:32bringing the arc into the end line,
50:33Tommy, I don't think it's a big deal.
50:35The one I'd love to change, lads, if you
50:37delay at halftime, I would love that to
50:39be a 13 meter free to start the game.
50:41>> Did that happen this year against you?
50:43>> But oh jeez, those fellas taking 22
50:46minutes. We won't mention any names, but
50:48like just if someone takes over like
50:51pulling the leg out of you start from 13
50:52m free, you kick it over the bar because
50:55we're we're we're trying to up the
50:56spectacle of the game in terms of making
50:59it a better game. If you're taking 20
51:00over 20 minutes in the restroom at
51:02halftime in in a league game, fans are
51:05freezing watching the game. That's not
51:07that's not what we're trying to do with
51:08the rules. You know,
51:09>> the referee delayed the game at the
51:11start at the second half of the carry
51:13final weekend.
51:14>> Did he? Yeah, two teams out their way.
51:17>> Lay off the refs for one reason.
51:19[laughter]
51:19>> He's always giving off the refs are
51:21umpires. He's just on the drive by.
51:22>> They just need a little gentle reminder.
51:24A gentle reminder.
51:27>> There you see.
51:28>> I am happy to see the hand pass go.
51:30>> Sorry.
51:30>> I bet you I bet you will see some
51:33beautiful scores from corner forwards
51:35this year. Kicks from tight angles that
51:36would be fisted if the rule comes in or
51:39whatever it is. Just little little tiny
51:41outside of the boot dinks over the bar
51:43from tight angles. little 10 meter
51:44finishes. I think it'll be very
51:46interesting to see if you take away the
51:48fist pass. That's the only one I I do. I
51:49wouldn't do that.
51:50>> But if you can picture Clifford there
51:51dropping onto his right right side,
51:53okay, and you have a double team on him,
51:54>> I'd rather see him kick it with the
51:56right than Fista. I I would just rather
51:59and if he didn't have that right in the
52:00locker, then he's not as good. Then he
52:02wouldn't be he'd have to up his game on
52:04that leg. Do you know what I mean?
52:05>> Go
52:07Clifford's over
52:09is the snippet here. No, what I'm saying
52:11is I did see this this argument online.
52:13It was like
52:14>> they're going to stay to open up,
52:16[laughter]
52:18>> but if a corner forward doesn't have the
52:20two legs in the locker, he's in trouble.
52:22So, it would promote him having a little
52:25cute finish. Clifford obviously has it.
52:27Most taffers do, but a lot don't. And I
52:30just like to see more of those cute
52:31finishes.
52:32>> He um
52:32>> for points as well. Not I'm not saying
52:34that you have to blast a goal. I'm
52:36saying for points.
52:36>> Yeah, I couldn't argue against that to
52:38be honest. I like I I I think a kick
52:40over the bear there is as easy as Joe
52:42has as fisting over the bear. So yeah,
52:44>> there's Tommy. Can I ask two serious
52:47questions because we don't get an all
52:48women manager on the show very regularly
52:50and to be honest Jim McGinness is never
52:52going to come on after you were tackling
52:54Georgia under the summer either. Um
52:56>> he [laughter] might he might
53:00>> Andy remember you might even on the
53:02first remember Paul Joyce took over Gway
53:06at the time and he spoke I think it was
53:07his first press conference he did or
53:10media engagement and he said we're we're
53:12here to win the all Ireland and again he
53:16was one of our best players and won all
53:17Ireland as a player and but it raised
53:19eyebrows people outside of Calby weren't
53:21really in that conversation you you guys
53:24have been the dominant team and and Con
53:25and we were winning all irons at the
53:27time. I remember even saying to myself
53:29as a dumpling player going jeez that's
53:31spicy enough like but I totally get what
53:34he was doing for his team and for his
53:36players that that this is the standard
53:38and they came very close obviously over
53:40time when you went in there this year
53:43like what was that from day one to the
53:46players you know we're going to win the
53:47all I was that a journey as you know
53:50league was pretty good here and there's
53:52you can see the styles of play starting
53:53to kick in or was it a championship game
53:55like you mentioned maybe throne or or
53:57obviously the win in Castle Bar and
53:58momentum over the mid game or was that
54:00from day one we're here to win the
54:02other.
54:04Yeah, it wasn't probably as as force for
54:06forceful as Poric said it, you know, but
54:08it was
54:10but it was uh like he he'd have backed
54:12up as a player what he two won as a
54:14player, footballer of the year, multiple
54:15allstars, you know, like Poric is an
54:18absolute golden goal with so he could
54:20kind of he had the he had the platform
54:22to say that we're like I think anyone
54:24that goes into a division one team that
54:27has to be your goal that have been like
54:30me and Gabriel would have set that goal
54:31out with the man lads 12 months previous
54:34And
54:37>> oh like why not and I thought we as a
54:40team too when we lost to goal with then
54:42the conic championship in 2025
54:45we made it very clear that that was the
54:46goal to win the conic championship.
54:48Where do you go from there if you don't
54:49win it? So, it has to be the last game
54:51of the year for for for me. That has to
54:53be
54:54>> that has to be the goal. And Joe, did we
54:57ever mention 75 years or do we ever
54:59mention opposition? Um, we'd have
55:01mentioned opposition in terms of
55:03comparison of where some of our players
55:05were to where they need to get to to to
55:07have any chance of this. Did we think it
55:09was going to happen as quick, Patty?
55:12The realistic is we we thought there was
55:13a possibility. It could have happened
55:15that quick, but the realistic thing we
55:17probably thought it was going to take
55:18time. Yeah.
55:19>> To to to to build into that, but then
55:22when the opportunity comes, you see it
55:23yourself. When the opportunity comes,
55:25>> like you have to go and grab it then, do
55:27you know? You have to really go and grab
55:28it. And that's the that's the key thing.
55:30You seen it in in 14, James. You weren't
55:33going as well as you you'd liked. Um Joe
55:36Donnie wasn't clipping. He wasn't
55:38playing. He wasn't playing well. and
55:39then all of a sudden you just get a bit
55:41of momentum against us in the in the
55:42first game in the semi-final and you go
55:44why we need to go and take this you know
55:45so that's kind of what happened so yes
55:47Patty the answer to that is would that
55:49have been the ultimate goal absolutely
55:51would that have been said to the players
55:52absolutely but I I feel every division
55:56one team that starts out next year that
55:58that has to be the goal you know
56:00>> and for you right say if you're looking
56:03for or say you're this job you have with
56:06with mayor right are you thinking just
56:0927 or do you have to think 5 years
56:12still? Do you have to to think I'm still
56:15putting blocks in place for the next 5
56:18to 10 years or are you solely thinking
56:20of retaining?
56:23>> Oh, no. You have to be thinking about
56:24the future as well. Um, in terms of
56:28Joe personnel, as I said, we 10 fellas
56:31in last night that that that are going
56:32to join the panel. Um
56:35I think there's there's a fascinating
56:36one there with with with Limrich. Tommy
56:39you can correct this and I might be off
56:41tiny bit with my numbers. I think the 36
56:43in the panel 18 of them under six all
56:45Ireland 18 one their first you know so
56:47you always have to be thinking of what's
56:50what and Tommy that could be off
56:52slightly you can ring.
56:54>> Yeah.
56:54>> But but it it has to be in some way or
56:57form there has to be a balance. I'm a me
57:00man at heart. Um I absolutely love the
57:03place to be honest with you and I need
57:04to be thinking you know you need to
57:06leave it in a better spot. So yes you'd
57:08love the fact the thought that we could
57:10go far again next year but there has to
57:12be a thought in it that you have to you
57:14have to build for the future as well.
57:16>> I think that's a big benefit of when if
57:18it's in someone from their own county is
57:20managing their own county. Not to
57:22disparrage anyone or there's no right or
57:24wrong, but I think if you're an outsider
57:25manager coming in and you have a very
57:27set term, it's it's more short term.
57:31There's no no two ways. It's not right
57:33or wrong, but that is the case. Whereas
57:35if it's your own county, you said Andy,
57:36you do it from saying if someone's
57:39managing carrier or manager Dublin or
57:40managing maid that it's not just about
57:43the here and now, it's about legacy and
57:44beyond that. Um and have the benefit of
57:47someone from your own county managing
57:49your own county team.
57:53Yeah, I think you mentioned something a
57:55little earlier, Andy, about uh division
57:56one teams and and them having
57:58aspirations to win Sam Magguire. There
58:01was a piece written recently about the
58:03amount of counties that will back
58:05themselves to give themselves a chance
58:06next year. Um it maybe even be inspired
58:09by Mayo um in 2027. So I think
58:12football's in a really exciting place
58:13like we
58:14>> but Tommy sorry to cut you but even like
58:16when we like when we were at Manan like
58:18we were in division two
58:19>> in the division two final
58:22>> and I think you seen this year I'd say
58:25John like I I've talked to some of the
58:27man boys since the thing they can see a
58:29pathway to it like you look at Dublin
58:31who are playing division two next year
58:33Dublin three in the top 10 scoring
58:36forwards this year in the championship.
58:37Yeah.
58:37>> Like does that give you a platform to go
58:39and trying to win the whole Ireland
58:40course to us? You look loud and people
58:43are
58:45dismissive of loud because but like
58:48they've won a Lster title. They've got
58:50to an all in a semi-final. Their
58:52population has grown. Their their teams
58:55are like they're producing footballers
58:57now at a rate that they never produced.
58:59Allow the threat next year. You
59:02absolutely need to get to a semi-final
59:04in in 2025, do you know? So the the the
59:07the scenery is changing around us in
59:09terms of the teams. Um I think we've
59:11seen something similar to this in the
59:13naughties. Um where you'll always have
59:16Dublin and Kerry. You'll always have
59:17them.
59:19>> Yeah, I know you love that L, but you
59:20will and then everyone else can can
59:22really put up can do damage then around
59:25around the fringes like you see him and
59:26Fitz going into goal.
59:27>> Yeah, he's not he's not going up to goal
59:29for the good of his health, do
59:30>> you know?
59:31>> But 23 and 24 champions were from
59:33division two.
59:35It's it's it's it's unbelievable. Uh
59:38Patty, it's unbelievable. And that's
59:40that's what I was saying. Like even when
59:41we got bet by the Rossies this year, the
59:43Rosies finished fourth in division one.
59:45They're a serious football team, do you
59:47know? And it's it's it's you just need
59:49to be I think we like as James said
59:52there, we're still stuck in the old
59:53rules.
59:54I think we're still kind of stuck in the
59:57old way of thinking as well. that grade
59:59two horse racing analogy that was used
1:00:01against the teams we played against.
1:00:03They bet Tony Gold who won NFL now bet
1:00:06Dublin, they bet Irma. These teams are
1:00:08serious teams. H me bet Kerry last year.
1:00:11So these teams are coming and they're
1:00:12producing really really strong
1:00:14footballers. So I think that the
1:00:16landscape is changing around us and I I
1:00:18just think I think every kind of manager
1:00:20who's involved in county teams are aware
1:00:22of that. I just think the media need to
1:00:24need to realize that as well, do you
1:00:26know?
1:00:28This is a this could be a tricky
1:00:30question as a current intercount
1:00:31manager, but um 50 yards down the road
1:00:35from you uh I'm not sure is it your new
1:00:37house or your home house, Pierce Hanley
1:00:39would have grown up and you would have
1:00:41been very close up with the Hanley's
1:00:43went off to Australia. Kobe McDonald
1:00:45obviously has done a one and a one and
1:00:47done with you this year and and how you
1:00:49integrated them and brought him along
1:00:50was was incredible to see this year.
1:00:52Oshi Mullen was a part of your crew um
1:00:55on your trip to Portugal in December and
1:00:57you've you've kept that connection there
1:00:58with them. We know there was maybe a
1:01:00little conversation for the All Ireland
1:01:01Final 2.
1:01:03Were you two things, right? Because
1:01:04there was a very emotional football pod
1:01:06last week talking about the AFL and what
1:01:08can be done. Were you caught on the hop
1:01:10or a little bit by surprise with the
1:01:12Fimorti news that he's going? Um and
1:01:16secondly, is there anything we can do or
1:01:19what's your perspective as a current
1:01:20intercount manager? What do you think?
1:01:22Because obviously you can see both sides
1:01:24of it. I'm sure
1:01:26>> we I I can tell you exactly where I was.
1:01:28We we boarded the flight to go to
1:01:29Chicago and the news came true on
1:01:33Royalty and it was utter like everyone
1:01:36was in shock over it to be honest with
1:01:37you. Like I think everyone has commented
1:01:40how how silent it was and no one seen it
1:01:43coming. You always hear these things
1:01:44like the likes of Ado and our squad will
1:01:47hear everything. I don't know where he
1:01:49hears it from, but he'll have it before
1:01:51he he'll have it he'll have it before
1:01:53everybody else
1:01:55in the squad. But even he didn't hear a
1:01:57rumor. There was nothing. And like I was
1:01:59kind of like, how did this John get
1:02:02through and how did it happen? But
1:02:05Joe, you look at that initially and your
1:02:07first thought your first thought anyone
1:02:08is like, "Oh geez, that's a massive loss
1:02:10to all." But like lads, it's a massive
1:02:12loss to Gelic football.
1:02:14>> Like he is such a fantastic footballer.
1:02:17like it's it's it's actually hard to
1:02:21estimate how good of a guy how good of a
1:02:22footballer he is. Um
1:02:25I will say that myself and Colin Bole
1:02:27probably tongue and cheek we often had
1:02:31chats about Rory. You didn't have to be
1:02:32an a l scout to notice his quality. He's
1:02:35so like Hushin Mullenads. He might have
1:02:38the running power as him
1:02:39>> but his defensive quality is so strong.
1:02:42Like he's so like him. We often said
1:02:44like how have they not looked at Rory or
1:02:46they must have looked at Rory and Jim
1:02:48must have got him to stay you know um
1:02:51but he is such a loss to the to the game
1:02:53genuinely genuinely such a loss to the
1:02:55game three and six young player of the
1:02:57year is gone um and I think it's sad to
1:03:00the game but like I I and you mentioned
1:03:03Pierce here
1:03:05Pierce is like Patty you you've talked
1:03:08about him and you've eulogized him about
1:03:10him enough I don't really have to go
1:03:12there but
1:03:13He's the best footballer our club ever
1:03:15produced. And we've produced good
1:03:16footballers like genuinely. We're small
1:03:18pocket here just right on the board in
1:03:21Roman Mo. And for some reason, we've
1:03:23always kind of produced a county
1:03:24footballer, kept in the squad, however
1:03:26we managed to do it, but he was the best
1:03:28of the best. He was
1:03:30>> he as you would say, Patty. Yeah. He was
1:03:32top of the pops and um [laughter] he
1:03:35like he he Yeah, it was such a loss to
1:03:38our game. So, it's it's it's sad to see
1:03:40them guys going. what I would do and I
1:03:43think this why the international rules
1:03:44is coming and the category B has got an
1:03:46awful lot of say I think now
1:03:50you can't blame a young fell for going
1:03:51they're going they're not earning a
1:03:53living you see nurses and carpenters and
1:03:55everything that might be on 30 40 50
1:03:57grand a year and they're going so you
1:03:58can't stop a young fellow that's getting
1:03:59nothing going but I think the category B
1:04:02thing is huge and it I would implore the
1:04:05GA to come out and say give us the
1:04:07reason why we're going back to the
1:04:08international rules because there has to
1:04:11be a benefit to it for J and I I trust
1:04:13them. I think there is I think there is
1:04:15and it must be the category B. It has it
1:04:18doesn't it has to be and like
1:04:20>> so that would mean
1:04:22>> that would what would that mean Andy?
1:04:23>> Well like in stupid terms right in
1:04:26stupid terms what what I think it means
1:04:28is that when you take a punt on a player
1:04:32you're taking a punt on our best player.
1:04:33So, a Rorty, a Kobe, an Oshin, a Martha
1:04:37Connor, you can kind of live with that
1:04:39because some of these guys were destined
1:04:42to go and play professional sport. And
1:04:44that's I can live with that because
1:04:46they're taking a full punt on them.
1:04:47They're putting them into the payroll
1:04:49into the category A. They're coming out
1:04:50of the is it the general fund, Tommy?
1:04:53They're coming out of just on side
1:04:55contract.
1:04:56>> Yeah. Like what annoying me at the
1:04:58minute with the the Australian thing is
1:05:00that they're just taking a punt on
1:05:01everyone.
1:05:02>> Yeah. And you see what the difference
1:05:04Armstrong makes to his club when he
1:05:06comes back in in me and gets him
1:05:08straight out of intermediate. Like he
1:05:09was the best young footballer I seen in
1:05:11under 20 coming out of me in a long
1:05:13time.
1:05:13>> Yeah.
1:05:13>> But like he hasn't kicked the ball in
1:05:15two years.
1:05:16>> Do you know and like he's a super he'd
1:05:18be a superstar Jer?
1:05:20>> But it has to be Andy, doesn't it?
1:05:21There's no We spoke last week in the pod
1:05:23about it.
1:05:24They can't be engaging with the Aussies
1:05:26just for this series alone, like
1:05:29commercially for for two games a year.
1:05:31Like like the GA to be fair is bigger
1:05:34that the Aussies are big. They don't
1:05:35need this game for to sell out the MCG
1:05:38twice. The thing is sold out the whole
1:05:39time anyway. So there there has to be
1:05:41some angle where the GA are engaging in
1:05:43this. And it's that the Aussies can't
1:05:46just come over and just swing the bat
1:05:47and take 20 kids. There has to be a
1:05:49financial cost to them if they're going
1:05:51to come and take our best players.
1:05:53There's no way. It's a free market. We
1:05:54can't ring fence them as much as we'd
1:05:57like cuz we all we're all fans and Andy,
1:06:00you're in it. So, you're maybe not as as
1:06:02neutral as we are, but like we we want
1:06:04to see royalty play in this type of
1:06:05thing. So, there has to be a cost and uh
1:06:09they can't just be willy-nilly the
1:06:10Aussies take the best players. There has
1:06:11to be some sort of cost. So, I would
1:06:12imagine that's where the G are involved
1:06:14because I can't see any other angle of
1:06:15why it would be.
1:06:17>> Yeah. And and Finnbear created such such
1:06:20headlines because it was different.
1:06:22Yeah, there was he is established.
1:06:25He is like in our in all all sense and
1:06:28purposes in our game he is he is one of
1:06:30the best players in the country. There's
1:06:31no point in
1:06:33>> you know allstar last year player of the
1:06:35year. Jim wanted to play when he was 17.
1:06:38Like he [laughter] is playing different
1:06:41by accident.
1:06:42>> Yeah.
1:06:43>> Yeah. He he's played three years now in
1:06:45terms of of the game and now they're
1:06:47taking him. That's a that's a that so he
1:06:50should like if they are taking him if
1:06:51they took him and put him straight into
1:06:53the first team and all that I think he
1:06:55could live with that you know.
1:06:56>> Yeah. No.
1:06:57>> You know what what kind of a position
1:06:58was Jim McInness in as well? I wonder
1:07:00like say if if a player came to you now
1:07:02and you know like
1:07:06if Ryan O'Donn said I'm I got to go like
1:07:09how would you deal with that as a
1:07:11manager? Like
1:07:12>> because obviously you need to be
1:07:13supportive to each individual but
1:07:15>> I see the arguments online. It's like
1:07:17how could you stop a fellow from going
1:07:18you know to to be a professional lately?
1:07:20But that's not the argument. It's the
1:07:21fact that we're losing them from the
1:07:23game we love that we have to protect to
1:07:25to some extent as well.
1:07:26>> Yeah. And you're like you know when
1:07:28people say oh you have the right to
1:07:29protest you have the right to argue but
1:07:31then when you argue they give out to you
1:07:32know so like it's it's it's um no we're
1:07:36dead right and we need to make noise
1:07:37about it lads. We genuinely need to make
1:07:39noise about it. like we have an
1:07:40association there in terms of the JA and
1:07:42GPA where they like I'm sure Tom is kind
1:07:46of scratching his head there in the GPA
1:07:47and saying okay what can we do where can
1:07:49we go with it if you look at Jay the
1:07:52world we come into so I'll give you an
1:07:53example I was with Literum and two lads
1:07:57went to Temple Moore and the graduated
1:07:58Garda
1:08:00so I rang everyone I said lads I need
1:08:02these station close to Literum and years
1:08:05ago these guys could rightly or wrongly
1:08:07could get you could get them close to
1:08:08Literum Mayo or like that's gone.
1:08:11There's very few players now in the
1:08:14guards because if you come you're coming
1:08:17out of tempmore you're going to the east
1:08:18of the country you're going to Dublin
1:08:19you're going to me and then you can't
1:08:20really play county football so you're on
1:08:22shift work there's no liberties for it
1:08:25so we need to create this now from an or
1:08:28an an organization point of view where
1:08:30like the tax breaks have been mentioned
1:08:32for county players before um little
1:08:35things like that little incentives that
1:08:37can keep players from taking a punt at
1:08:40Then you know and if they want to go you
1:08:43can't stop them but at least make it
1:08:44attractive for them to stay if we can
1:08:46you know.
1:08:47>> Yeah for sure. [snorts] Andy um
1:08:51thanks a million for joining us on the
1:08:52football [laughter] pot all Ireland
1:08:54winner manager. It's been lovely to have
1:08:55you on with the two boys. Um just to say
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1:09:10Will I see yourself and Jenny on Friday
1:09:12night at the Allstars?
1:09:13>> You will. You will. She'd be looking
1:09:15glamorous and I'll be looking whatever.
1:09:18But I give you one before we go. I was I
1:09:20was in Chicago and someone comes up to
1:09:22me and said, "We miss you on the pod."
1:09:24And I said, "Lovely." I said, I said,
1:09:27"Ah, yeah, but I don't know who's better
1:09:29than me." And he just turns around. He
1:09:30goes, "He is actually." So, [laughter]
1:09:33I swear to God that happened. And I was
1:09:35kind of like, "All right, ego put back
1:09:37in my box straight away." So that
1:09:38[laughter] was it. So no,
1:09:40>> he must have been well on it.
1:09:41>> Oh, yeah. No, that was early on. He
1:09:43might have had a few, but he was he
1:09:45[laughter] might have been from Kerry.
1:09:46He might have been from Kerry.
1:09:48>> Andy, it's fair to say you've got on to
1:09:50better things to be fair. As as good as
1:09:52the pod is as we think it is, winning
1:09:54the all Ireland is probably a couple of
1:09:56notches up to be fair to you.
1:09:59>> I have one last one. Sorry, Andy. And I
1:10:00know this isn't going to be quick, but
1:10:02um
1:10:04I read your book a couple of years back
1:10:06and and we had a great night obviously
1:10:08in Casabar that night and we we did the
1:10:10book launch and we had a a load of lads
1:10:12up um chatting about your days and your
1:10:14careers and it was lessons learned in
1:10:17pursuit of glory the name of it and uh
1:10:20you spoke about it at the end you spoke
1:10:22about the process of it and you started
1:10:24journaling during co and writing down
1:10:27things you would have learned from Jonno
1:10:29or maybe Killian Oconor during your
1:10:31career or different people just so you
1:10:33wouldn't forget it for your on coaching
1:10:34pursuits. You obviously had an
1:10:36unbelievable career at Mayo for 18 19
1:10:37years. When did the when did when did
1:10:42the goal switch from winning an all
1:10:44Ireland as a player to winning all
1:10:46Ireland as a manager for Mayo? Like when
1:10:48when did that journey start for you? Cuz
1:10:50I doubt it was on the football pod one.
1:10:53>> Um no, it's a great question. Um we um
1:10:58don't I I think you can have two
1:10:59separate goals. A lot of people have
1:11:00said to me, does it make up for you not
1:11:02winning as a player? And I actually
1:11:04listened to a podcast that Boiler did
1:11:05after the all Ireland. He said
1:11:07absolutely not. And it was only then
1:11:08when I kind of thought about it. It
1:11:09doesn't really if I'm being honest. Um
1:11:12but I think you can have two separate
1:11:13goals. You can have a goal that this was
1:11:15the major major goal for you as a
1:11:17player, but then it switches into being
1:11:20the manager and then it's still winning
1:11:22the all Ireland, but you're not a
1:11:23player. You're a manager. And like you
1:11:25were in the you were in the hotel the
1:11:26morning after all Ireland, weren't you?
1:11:28>> Yeah.
1:11:28>> Yeah. I think another podcast asked me,
1:11:30they go, "Does it make up for now?" go
1:11:32look around. And I said, "None of the
1:11:34players are here." I said, "It's only
1:11:36myself." They were in copper till about
1:11:375:00 that night, you know. And uh I was
1:11:39>> You were the first man up.
1:11:40>> Yeah. I was the only clown up. So it it
1:11:43shows you where your perspective changes
1:11:44and stuff like this. But
1:11:46>> no, it like genuinely it started for me.
1:11:48We started the gym. You always know I
1:11:50get a promotion in Patty. We we we we
1:11:52started the gym [laughter] in 2015.
1:11:55I was in
1:11:55>> the movement.
1:11:56>> Yeah. I was injured for the whole of
1:11:58[laughter] um
1:12:00cruise ship, leg break back, all that
1:12:03all 14. I thought my career was finished
1:12:04if I'm being honest. And we just had
1:12:06Charlotte. The lads now have kids
1:12:08themselves and you know how important it
1:12:10is for your own head to spend time with
1:12:11the kids. So I was saying to Jenny, I
1:12:14want to get into coaching here and I
1:12:15want to coach Mayo and I want to do all
1:12:16this sort of stuff. But I said, I want
1:12:18to see Sherid. So I said I needed to
1:12:20create something that could work both.
1:12:21So go to work at half six in the
1:12:23morning, be home at 12:00, spend the
1:12:25time with the kids, then go to training.
1:12:27So that's where it first really started.
1:12:28Um,
1:12:29>> so you're talking 20, this is 2014 when
1:12:31>> in 2015, June 2015, the gym opened. So,
1:12:34and then it kind like I thought maybe I
1:12:36had 12 months left in my career. All of
1:12:38a sudden, I played till the end of 2019
1:12:40and then it kind of takes off from
1:12:42there. But like the lessons like I've
1:12:44often said to you, Tommy, in private
1:12:46phone calls, Joe, I'd be talking
1:12:47listening to James talking about the
1:12:49left footer from the left side. I
1:12:51remember him talking about Cork against
1:12:52common six, seven years ago and painting
1:12:54that picture and I said, "Geez, I
1:12:56couldn't see anything else." Then when
1:12:57the right footer used to get in this
1:12:58pocket or Patty talking about, you know,
1:13:01the coffees and the meetups and all that
1:13:03with the players in terms of how it
1:13:04builds a culture. So, you know, I think
1:13:05you always kind of just take these kind
1:13:07of things in and I just got into the
1:13:08habit of typing them out and writing
1:13:11them out. So, I have a full chapter to
1:13:13write on Patty Andrews yet.
1:13:15>> Sounds like [laughter] sounds like we
1:13:17just write about Patty the podcast. I'd
1:13:20love to read about I don't remember half
1:13:21the wolf stuff. I'd love to hear about
1:13:23that. [laughter]
1:13:24>> Yeah,
1:13:24>> Ali Ollie's still asking for the wolf.
1:13:26>> Yeah, you're always picking up you're
1:13:28always picking up um little things from
1:13:31from people and just little
1:13:33personalities and the way they view the
1:13:34game and like I'd be joking there at the
1:13:36start, the way James sees the game
1:13:38compared to me and Patty.
1:13:39>> Joe Patty spent time at cornerback, I
1:13:41spent time at wing back, little things
1:13:43like that. So James is a different view
1:13:45of the game than me and Patty have. It's
1:13:48like it might be miles different, but
1:13:49he'd see he'd see a different picture
1:13:51than me and Patty would, you know, and
1:13:52um it's just you kind of always kind of
1:13:55if you can pick up on a few of these
1:13:56things, I think it helps, you know, and
1:13:58Joe, you listen to Jack O Connor and
1:14:00Kylie and Jimmy McInness as well and try
1:14:01to pick up from them, you know.
1:14:03>> Of course. Um listen, we'll we'll catch
1:14:06up Friday night and uh we might even see
1:14:08you in London because we're doing a
1:14:09football pod very conveniently timed for
1:14:12the same [laughter] weekend that
1:14:13ourselves and Carrie [clears throat] are
1:14:14playing in London. We're actually doing
1:14:15one in uh on the Friday night with
1:14:17Wsworth Gales. So, we're going to have a
1:14:19great night. So, we might actually be
1:14:20over in London.
1:14:21>> The deal for was set for that game like
1:14:23the the first negotiations for that game
1:14:25was set back in last October, November,
1:14:27and
1:14:28>> they met up in February, March. It
1:14:29wasn't that wasn't done since all
1:14:30Ireland. So, in fairness to the Kerry
1:14:33County Board and the Lads Weave in
1:14:34London and Mo County Board, you know,
1:14:36they were looking way ahead and it's
1:14:38worked.
1:14:39>> It's a great idea.
1:14:40>> Yeah, it's a great idea. Hopefully, it
1:14:42kind of
1:14:42>> savage weekend. Did you hear
1:14:44>> Are you playing the Masters game?
1:14:47>> I'm considering it. Yeah, I've been
1:14:49invited. It must have [laughter] been a
1:14:50a fifth round draft pick. I'd say I'd
1:14:52say a couple of fellas didn't answer the
1:14:54call. [laughter]
1:14:55>> I might. It was the day. It's the
1:14:57morning after or it's the day after our
1:14:59show. So,
1:15:00>> and my back is in bits, but
1:15:02>> you're coming with me. We're going to
1:15:03have a little look around Friday night
1:15:05London Town. We'll see see how we can
1:15:07>> and if you if you need a standby option,
1:15:09James, if the goal if they're small
1:15:11goals that you're playing on cuz the
1:15:12smaller pitch, I'll be useful.
1:15:14[laughter]
1:15:14>> Oh, you love the mini goals, Tom. Oh,
1:15:17>> the boys the boys think you're from Mao
1:15:18any Tommy. So, you as well keep it.
1:15:20>> Yeah, absolutely. [laughter]
1:15:22>> Next year,
1:15:24>> you've been you've been brilliant. Um,
1:15:26thanks so much for hopping on with us
1:15:27and uh well done honestly on everything
1:15:30and enjoy the next month. Hope you get a
1:15:33bit of rest at some stage before the
1:15:342027 season and uh fair play to you.
1:15:38>> Thanks lads. Appreciate
1:15:39>> Andy. Well done again.
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