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0:12you didn't make one mention
0:14of the anal rate for being tied up or
0:18having alcohol supported in your uh
0:20rectum digit during that tape
0:24i told
0:26you that he was getting violent and also
0:28i told you before in the first
0:31confession that he was talking about
0:32analytics
0:35did you in fact
0:37see anybody
0:38or did you tell
0:40a detective
0:41at any time that you were strangled with
0:44cord by mr mallon
0:46well every time i tried to start telling
0:49you
0:49for him
0:51about
0:52what was happening he'd interrupt me and
0:55ask me out time how many times was this
0:57person shot
0:59what kind of items did you take did he
1:02say anything after he was
1:04when you shot him
1:06where did you leave his car i never got
1:08a chance to ever express
1:11myself
1:12i was always interrupted so you say the
1:14reason you didn't say this is being
1:16interrupted
1:18you just were cut off you didn't have a
1:19chance to tell it
1:21exactly
1:27before detective
1:29began the interview with he said he
1:31wanted to tell him all the facts and
1:32circumstances surrounding mallory
1:34killing didn't he
1:48my main purpose was there to confess
1:50about tyra's innocence and that was all
1:53i didn't have any i
1:55i couldn't there was no way that i could
1:57have even
1:58remember i was hysterical
2:01a shock
2:02and they had forced me to talk saying
2:05they're going to arrest tyler moore if i
2:06don't ask answer their questions
2:09on the case which i didn't want i was
2:12only there to confess about tyra's
2:14innocence because i just got done
2:15talking to her
2:16on the phone and told her i was going to
2:18confess to clear her
2:20i didn't know i was going to have to
2:22talk about anything because of that if i
2:24didn't believe me i couldn't remember
2:26nothing because i was totally
2:29out of it oh
2:32well it wasn't because
2:34the detective cut you off and now you're
2:36saying it's because you're totally out
2:37of it
2:38which was because they cut me off and
2:40because i couldn't remember
2:42oh it's because you couldn't remember
2:43objections
2:45at all
2:48a lot of things i couldn't remember i
2:50mean i wouldn't be able to get
2:53completely
2:54like i just said today i mean you can
2:56remember being painly raped if you've
2:58been angry
3:01i was i
3:03i wasn't even interested in telling them
3:06certain things because i was interested
3:08in ty remor and i was mad that they have
3:11threatened me that if i don't talk to
3:13them they were going to arrest tyron so
3:16i was pretty well belligerent and
3:17stubborn as well as just saying well i'm
3:20just here to confess about tara i'm not
3:22here to confess about the murders
3:24because i just try to declare you that
3:26there's not two women there's one woman
3:29all right now did i understand it
3:38because the detective cuts you off
3:40that's right or you didn't tell them
3:43because you forgot about it
3:45or you didn't tell them because
3:47well
3:48two of these all together
3:50the third reason you gave was now
3:52because you were just there to talk
3:54about time more and you were stubborn
3:55there was a lot of reasons well how
3:57about the rest reasons are
3:59i'm there to confess that tyra moore
4:03is innocent
4:05which was a she knows pretty much which
4:07was a flat out
4:08lie because i loved her so much i was
4:10protecting her well are you lying
4:12protector today oh i'll be more than
4:14happy to explain that tyron moore knows
4:16more than she's saying that she knows
4:18that self defense are you lying to
4:19protector today
4:21no i'm not i will tell you all about
4:22target more
4:25all right you
4:26said let me be sure we have the reasons
4:28correct he said you didn't tell the
4:30detectives because he cut you off you
4:32didn't have a chance
4:34and or
4:35you didn't tell the detective because
4:38you couldn't remember it
4:40and or you didn't tell a detective
4:42because you're stubborn in your
4:44protection
4:47and you didn't tell the detective
4:49because you're stubborn and trying to
4:51protect tire more were there any other
4:52reasons you didn't tell the detective
4:56i couldn't remember because i was in a
4:58state of shock of tyra thinking about
5:01tyra i told you over and over and over
5:03and over again
5:05i'm only here to confess for tyra i'm
5:07only here to confess for tara and
5:10i was totally
5:12focused on tara when they asked me a
5:15question when i started to get
5:17nitty-gritty to explain what happened
5:19they always cut me off and asked me then
5:22other questions like how how many times
5:25was he shot what kind of items did you
5:27take and then
5:29and when i was starting to get where my
5:31memory was going okay even if i tried
5:34but then i wasn't really into the mood
5:36to talk about the cases so that's why i
5:38couldn't remember because i was thinking
5:39about tyra and i was mad that they had
5:43forced me into talking about the cases
5:45when i only want to talk to him about
5:47tyra jolene warren all right you say
5:50that
5:51talkback
5:52yes they did all right let me ask you
5:54this
5:55on the tape and according to detective
5:57pours episode
5:59testimony he advised you fully of your
6:01rights
6:02before you made any statements
6:04yeah and i i walked in there
6:07and he talked to me 15 minutes before
6:09the tape was put on and the video was
6:11put on
6:12it was not
6:14on at all nothing was he he had to turn
6:16the tape on he had to go and turn the
6:18video on nothing was on when i talked to
6:21him and that is when
6:22they
6:23threatened me
6:25yes they did now let me ask you this you
6:28were fully advising your rights and knew
6:29you didn't have to make any statement at
6:31all dude
6:32when i walked in there they said i told
6:35them i'm here to confess but i want to
6:37just really tell you about tara and i
6:39was telling them i'm just here to talk
6:41about tyra he said well that's not going
6:43to do any good because if you're just
6:45here to talk about tara and not about
6:47the cases i've got i've got jolene moore
6:49in custody right now and i will have her
6:51here at the volusia county branch jail
6:53and i will have her indicted for first
6:55degree murder as well as you we believe
6:57you are the suspects in this case
7:03yes and i was pretty amazed that she
7:04became
7:06under protective custody when the police
7:08officers arrived in
7:10pennsylvania she's under protective
7:12custody suddenly when she's a suspect
7:14and in fact she's a suspect because you
7:17brought
7:18the automobiles of me you killed uh to
7:20your dwelling and had her either ride it
7:23or drive him
7:24she drove it
7:26drunk love did you objection
7:32do not talk about other cases they have
7:35not been tried other juries will hear
7:37those this is about now
7:39your honor please so i would object to
7:41council telling the witness not to
7:43answer questions
7:48in fact she was a suspect because you
7:51and she were riding in an automobile
7:53that was wrecked that you could stole a
7:54man you killed correct objections
8:11now you indicated that
8:14it was because of a telephone
8:16a series of telephone calls with tower
8:19more
8:20that you
8:22decided to confess
8:35i
8:36say that over again
8:39you indicated that because you've been
8:40on telephone's entire war you decided to
8:43confess
8:44to protect her
8:46yes
8:47in fact you talked to her on the phone
8:49over a three-day period on 11 different
8:52calls did you not yes
8:57i'm sorry
8:58it's going to say calls that the police
8:59officer
9:00the police officers retired to
9:04call me to confess sure you called her
9:08each time
9:09the police officers wrote that note had
9:11her write note and told them have her
9:13call me they had it all planned but you
9:15called her each time right
9:17i called her on the direction of the
9:18police directing tyra
9:21police had her set up so they could
9:23record your telephone calls didn't it
9:25yeah they had me set up so that
9:28i talked to her
9:31about and her trying to
9:34ask me to clear her when tyra moore
9:36knows more than she's even talking about
9:38i only cleared her because i loved her
9:39all right what is it
9:41protection what is it that tyron moore
9:43knows that she's not talking about
9:45objection to the thought of the question
9:49she believe it
9:51she knows that it's self-defense and she
9:53is not telling anybody anything
9:58it's basically about it she knows it's
10:01self-defense and she's
10:03not saying anything because she's
10:04involved in this books and movies and
10:07she's involved in
10:11her family not losing her family i know
10:13her very well she doesn't want to lose
10:15her family and she's willing to lie for
10:17that in order to and she's also worried
10:19about being uh
10:21arrested for accessory to the fact all
10:23right
10:25if it was self-defense
10:27you really killed mr mallory in
10:29self-defense how would that jeopardize
10:35because tyra moore is interested in
10:37making her 500 million dollars and more
10:39she's already been offered and it's on a
10:40cap waiting for her if i get a
10:41conviction
10:45i asked you if in fact it was
10:47self-defense you killed mr mallory
10:49because
10:51of the things you described how would
10:53that
10:54jeopardize let me finish how did that
10:56jeopardize power war
10:59because i have to they have to have my
11:01these people that are involved in books
11:03and movies have to have my blood in
11:04order to get the money
11:06so they're willing to lie
11:09are you saying i'm asking about
11:10jeopardizing power or you said it would
11:12jeopardize
11:15a self-defense story
11:17how did that jeopardize her that was
11:19your word
11:20no i'm talking about
11:22she doesn't want to say it's
11:24self-defense because i believe she is
11:27involved with lots millions of dollars
11:30books and movies and she doesn't want my
11:33acquittal because if i get convicted she
11:36gets multi-million so does mr horsey
11:38hear some power whatever his name is
11:40munster and a lot of you other
11:41detectives and police officers are
11:44involved in this and also that her
11:46family is
11:48really
11:50she's concerned about her family she
11:51loves her family to the max family's
11:53rejecting her that's tearing her up
11:55because i know her to the max and plus
11:58she is um
12:02she's claiming she doesn't know anything
12:04because she's afraid of accessory to the
12:06fact because of knowing any
12:08incident whatsoever so she's claiming
12:11she's pretending
12:13she doesn't know anything not even
12:16that i told her self-defense or an
12:17incident that happened my goodness she
12:19she's even acting like she doesn't even
12:21know how long we were in the sodium bar
12:23the first night we met she's acting like
12:24she doesn't know where i lived she knew
12:26where i lived i was living in the car at
12:28the time because i just broke up with
12:29tony she's acting like she doesn't even
12:31know
12:32some of the apartments we lived in and
12:34stuff i mean i got 289 lives in her
12:37deposition
12:39that she gave
12:40are just flat out lies of just common
12:42things why is she lying so much why does
12:45she have to lie about a simple thing
12:47you said it's because it would
12:49jeopardize her in some way she didn't
12:51tell about herself i believe that she is
12:54lying about a whole lot of things to
12:56keep herself from being any accessory to
13:00the fact of anything she is afraid to
13:02tell anything even if she's even afraid
13:05to say a selfie stands because then she
13:07is knowledgeable about the situation
13:10is there anything else
13:11that she knew except the self-defense
13:14story that's the answer
13:22she knew that would incriminate her
13:24except the self-defense story about
13:26melanie
13:31she just knows it's self-defense and she
13:33just
13:35she just knew a little bit of what
13:38happened not all because she'd always
13:39tell me don't tell me the rest because i
13:41want to pass a polygraph if i ever get
13:43polygraphed i'll pass it
13:48tell her anything else
13:49i wouldn't get in i couldn't tell her in
13:51detail because i didn't want her to get
13:53too involved but she didn't hear from me
13:56they were self-defense and just a little
13:57bit and saw the bruises
13:59witness the bruises and all asked me
14:03ask me a little bit about this situation
14:11she gave your statement to detective
14:14he told him that she didn't know
14:16anything did he
14:18i was covering for her toby my question
14:21is didn't you tell him she didn't know
14:22anything about it
14:25i was covering
14:29you foreign told him that you
14:32kind of got to drinking
14:34and then you just casually mentioned
14:36that you've been drinking and you've
14:37been in the woods with your bicycle you
14:39saw a body in the woods and that's what
14:40you told her and that what you told me
14:42that happened 14 days after that
14:45happened 14 days afterwards if charlotte
14:48please may the witness be instructed to
14:50first answer yes or no requests yes for
14:52your honor i would object to her giving
14:54a narrative to every question many of
14:56these call for a yes or no and then she
14:58can explain after she gives her answers
14:59right
15:03in fact
15:05did he tell the detectives
15:07and it's on the videotape objection to
15:10the statements
15:13didn't you tell the detectives during
15:15the statement that you told her after
15:18you got to drinking it's just found a
15:20man in the woods body
15:22right
15:24yes
15:25and and you
15:27told him that she made some remark to
15:28the extent
15:30you're shipping me
15:32right
15:34yes and she didn't blame you did you
15:41it happened 14 days later on the news
15:43she saw it and i knew she was gonna see
15:45the car because we she saw the car the
15:48first day it was on the news the vehicle
15:51with the gator tag in the front i knew
15:52she was going to recognize it so i told
15:54her that 14 days after
15:58so
16:02i told her that 14 days after oh so i
16:05told her about the bicycle jazz 14 days
16:08after
16:10so she get prepared because i was going
16:12to prepare her to tell her what happened
16:15because you knew that you saw that on
16:17the television you knew she was going to
16:18pick it up yes i did
16:21and so uh
16:24then you told her that
16:26there was this 10 guy in the woods that
16:28you can't cross right ask an answer on
16:31our objection
16:34right
16:40yes i did
16:41oh when did you tell her that the 14th
16:44day
16:45after he was on tv
16:50but first you said you found the body he
16:52drank a little more and he said he
16:54killed him right
16:56you began the story when you were
16:58drinking that night when it came out on
17:00television first he said you found the
17:01body and then
17:13because i wanted to prepare i wanted to
17:15prepare her like what how she would
17:17react
17:19she started getting reacting she got
17:21right upset didn't she
17:25at first she didn't believe me
17:29did there ever come time
17:32yes after i started telling her this guy
17:34attacked me i'm trying to tell you i
17:36wanted to prepare you because i've got
17:38to tell you
17:39that day that you saw those bruises on
17:40my neck and everything the day we moved
17:42with that car that was
17:45richard mallory and he had raped me
17:50really bad also so you didn't even tell
17:53her
17:54this rape story until two weeks after it
17:56happened
17:58all
17:59was scared too because i didn't want her
18:02to worry
18:03and get scared she loved me really bad
18:06and i loved her very bad and i didn't
18:08want to just
18:09sit there and tell her what happened
18:16it's just and then you say that you told
18:18her all these details about the alcohol
18:20and anal rape and the tying up and all
18:23that no i didn't tell her all the
18:24details i told her i was raped
18:27she asked
18:29i told her i was raped and she asked a
18:32few questions and i told her i started
18:34to get into details don't tell me no
18:36more don't tell me no more i don't want
18:37to know no more she was really pissed
18:39off
18:40she was
18:41really mad at mallory for what he done
18:45and
18:46she was just really mad and i'm close
18:48for you
18:50very close tight is a knot two peas in
18:54the pod
18:55right arm left arm blue together and we
18:57were tight
19:03we loved each other very much
19:06trusted each other
19:15what broke you up what broke up the
19:16relationship
19:18when we saw the sketch on the tv
19:20i told her
19:21you're gonna have to go to your parents
19:23house you're going to have to just leave
19:24me
19:26and we made arrangements for her to take
19:28a bus
19:29and she called her parents and got ready
19:32to go out north what schedule tv have
19:34you taught injection your honor
19:40the sketch
19:41of the two girls
19:44sketches that are inevitable
19:47yes
19:49why why did that cause you to break up
19:52because too many people knew
19:55that tyra wore a baseball cap i wore a
19:58baseball cap
20:00and that we were always together
20:02and
20:03the looks of that sketch fit our
20:06features
20:09and so now
20:12she is a suspect
20:14in a murder
20:18yes
20:20because you and you've been riding in a
20:22murdered man's car
20:24objection your honor don't answer that
20:26question
20:29i i'm advising my attorneys i'm not
20:31going to answer that question
20:40are you not going to answer any
20:42questions about the other six murders i
20:43will stated as well as his attorney and
20:46solomon mr miller and ms jenkins that on
20:48our advice she will not answer those
20:50questions on our apology because those
20:52cases have not been tried
20:54others
21:09during the
21:11three days of telephone calls while you
21:13were in the jail and you were talking to
21:15tyler moore you called her each time
21:18correct
21:19i had to she couldn't call me okay
21:22and to your knowledge those telephone
21:24conversations were all reported by the
21:26police
21:27i asked her
21:29over and over she is she being recorded
21:32well you suspected you were being
21:34reported
21:35no but i thought i asked her to see if
21:38she'd tell me she was or something
21:39because i know tyra
21:41she might say yes tell me the truth but
21:43now i've realized that tyra sure can
21:46conceal herself
21:47and lie
21:48i never knew she had a black heart like
21:50she does
21:51because right right now she can help me
21:53out if she'd just be honest
21:56what is it you would want her to say
21:58about these murders
22:00what objection your honor lead do not
22:02answer the quote
22:03take away the yes your honor and
22:05withdraw the
22:10advice during those telephone
22:13conversations
22:16if not even one single time in three
22:18days with 11 calls say you've been raped
22:20did you
22:23i was totally
22:25concentrating on
22:27her and
22:28what she's doing up north and then when
22:30she told me that the police are around i
22:32was totally concentrating on how i've
22:34got a cover for her i never even thought
22:36about that all right what were you
22:38covering for her what wasn't you trying
22:40to cover for her
22:42that she
22:44to be a suspect
22:51she's accessory she knows
22:55what happened
22:57just knowing
22:58she's participating anyway
23:00no stretching your honor
23:05she
23:06knows
23:11that i was raped
23:13not in detail but she knows i was raped
23:16and i defended myself
23:20and she can you say she knows that
23:21because you told her 14 days after it
23:23happened
23:25right
23:26and yes okay
23:28but you didn't mention it one time
23:29during the
23:31three days of the phone calls did you
23:33objection you're going to ask the answer
23:35like i said
23:36i wasn't concentrating on any of
23:40the self-defense or anything i was
23:42concentrating on when i get in there and
23:46confess that she's not involved in a
23:48murder that just solely i am the person
23:51that's involved she is not i've got to
23:54clear her that
23:56she's big at the wrong person
23:58does that mean that during those three
24:00days phone calls you did not even one
24:02time mention a rape we didn't even
24:04hardly talk about it we talked about
24:07other things
24:09does that mean that you have family does
24:12that mean that you never mention the
24:13rape during the three days of phone
24:15calls that's right okay she was never
24:18brought up
24:23in fact
24:24it was never brought up
24:26until
24:27months after your arrest correct
24:33it wasn't brought up with detective
24:34what's happened was
24:38it sure wasn't because he didn't give me
24:39a chance to say it
24:41he never he always cut me off and every
24:44one of
24:52he cut me off
24:54every time i talked about a rape with
24:56any incident
25:00did you talk about rapes with other
25:01incidents objections
25:03objectively do not answer
25:05that they have not been tried yet
25:08excuse me
25:20um
25:34that's all right um
25:53more than
25:5665 times you said it was either mistaken
25:59identity or in the in the tie was
26:01innocent correct over and over again
26:04because
26:05in the later portions of the phone when
26:08i kept asking her about if anybody's
26:11recorded
26:13i felt just in case she is lying to me
26:17i'm going to not
26:19express anything on that phone that
26:22would put her in jeopardy or put you in
26:25jeopardy right
26:27you're also looking to protect yourself
26:28weren't you
26:30and that's why
26:31over over 25 times you said it was a
26:33mistaken identity
26:35said that over and over again didn't you
26:39i only said it twice always said it was
26:41mistaken identity twice i think i
26:44haven't i don't remember the phone calls
26:47everything that we said well could have
26:49been more than 25
26:51i can't remember every word that was
26:52said could have been more than 25
26:55more than 25 yes
26:56[Applause]
26:59if you counted them i don't know i don't
27:01think so as far as i'm concerned how
27:03about more than 20
27:05no more than 10. i don't know i saw i
27:08thought a couple times i said
27:14all right and more than 25 times on the
27:16telephone you suggested that she lied
27:18for you didn't
27:21no i don't recall any any part i told
27:24her
27:25tartar please go and
27:26tell him the truth which i thought she
27:28would go and tell him self-defense
27:30didn't you say don't mention me
27:32tell the truth but don't mention me
27:34didn't you say that over and over again
27:36i don't recall that i don't know
27:39you don't recall asking or suggesting
27:41that she lied if i did then i said next
27:44that
27:45it's a very confusing situation it's a
27:47very
27:48intense
27:50scary
27:51shocking moment
27:53a lot of things are mixed and mashed you
27:55just don't think properly
27:57you don't think
27:58what was shocking about
28:00casual phone calls on on the telephone
28:03to your business
28:05they started getting where she's talking
28:06about her family is being interrogated
28:08by police officers
28:11now you've talked about drinking beer
28:14and how i couldn't wait to get out
28:16and things like that too did he
28:18yes but i couldn't tell you what day
28:20when where first second third time i
28:26told her how much you loved her and
28:27mister yeah
28:31that was the beginning that was the
28:33beginning we were talking about how much
28:34i loved her and stuff yes i missed her
28:36that was the beginning the shocking
28:38phone calls come at the end
28:40and if you suspect you suspected the
28:42police were listening there towards the
28:44end
28:46i didn't know i had no i didn't know if
28:48i could believe or not so i
28:50tried to keep calm on the phone on
28:53certain things
28:56well it's been an ideal time under this
28:58calm circumstance and say well you know
29:00i haven't done it let me finish the
29:02question you know i had to do it because
29:04i was raped so brutally and had to
29:06defend myself wouldn't that have been
29:08something to say for the police to hear
29:09i didn't want her to be accessory to the
29:11fact
29:13that she constantly thought accessory to
29:15the fact that she could be
29:17charged
29:19because she knew about an incident that
29:22even lingered for a year before anything
29:25was known about it
29:26that's that's the first thing
29:28you told the police wasn't it that she
29:30knew about the killing but she didn't
29:32really believe it
29:35because at first she didn't believe me
29:38in other words the first almost the
29:40first thing out of your mouth that she's
29:41in oh yes i'm lying there though i'm
29:44telling
29:45him
29:46that she didn't believe me but i am why
29:48i'm covering for her because i don't
29:50want her i'm doing the same thing she's
29:52doing pretending that she knows nothing
29:54and she knows itself depends she knows i
29:58was raped
30:00maybe you're doing the same thing then
30:02that you are now would you say
30:05i'm not lying at all i'm up here telling
30:07truth but i think i'm the only one who's
30:09telling truth between my lawyers and me
30:13especially when i've when i've learned
30:15about all this book and movie uh greedy
30:22you've uh
30:23talked to some movie people about this
30:26i did
30:31jackie drew
30:32we have a lawsuit going on on her
30:36we are filing a lawsuit who needs him
30:38movie producer type person
30:41can you talk about uh if any money was
30:43to be made out of this you'd like to
30:45have did you
30:47lean
30:48i'm sorry ty had a date
30:52no
30:52because if i wrote i if i said anything
30:55to her in a letter
30:57which i can't understand how i could
30:58have wrote her while i was in jail
31:00because as soon as i got done talking to
31:02the detectives they stuck me in solitary
31:04confinement lockdown shoving pills down
31:07me and got me
31:08messed up on drugs forcingly
31:11and i didn't have any pen or pencil or
31:15paper to write and you people are saying
31:16that those letters came in january in
31:18jail and i don't remember writing any
31:20letters whatsoever
31:21who was this it was forcing drugs
31:24they had me on visceral they had me
31:27they had me where i didn't have any
31:30any
31:31i didn't have any commissary any fi i'm
31:33not even a bible a book nothing to read
31:3524 7 in a square little room with
31:38nothing to do but come up and say do you
31:40want your pills to help you go to sleep
31:42and of course i took them to sleep and i
31:44got hooked on visceral i was taking 2
31:46800 milligrams a week
31:4916 pills a day
31:51400 milligrams a day 16 pills a day
31:53almost killed me they almost killed me
31:56but you said detective what the
31:58detective's saying
32:00detective's idea
32:02i guess how do you know that
32:05i sure didn't ask for it i didn't ask to
32:08be put in medical lock-up
32:10as soon as i got done with the cops they
32:12shuffled me over there and did that to
32:14me
32:16you're saying the detective or zepa
32:19was forcing you to take pills
32:22it was a plan
32:23i believe
32:24this was after you made your tape
32:26statement right
32:28right
32:30yes okay
32:32you weren't on pills when you made your
32:34state state
32:37no but i was coming off of alcohol
32:40i was really
32:41still shaking and
32:43pretty well withdrawing from alcohol
32:46heavy drinking did you see the videotape
32:48of yourself
32:51i haven't seen i've only seen that
32:54you know i saw
32:55the shorter part
32:57i've never seen the whole video did you
32:59see the evidence of yourself shaking
33:00weren't you lighting cigarettes and
33:01smoking being casual
33:05do you guys think i was
33:07i wasn't i was very very nervous
33:11and just trying to keep it together as
33:14much as i could but i was shaken and
33:16everything and that's why he gave me his
33:18jacket because i was just shaking like a
33:19leaf and it was cold in there
33:22which made it worse
33:27well how many times during these 11
33:30phone calls in three days did you even
33:31say that
33:35you were the victim and tried to rob you
33:38more than anyone who tried to rock your
33:40honor objection has been answered
33:41several times
33:46now what did what's that question again
33:49you never once even said that your
33:51victim tried to rob protection your
33:52honor to turn to your victim
33:55you praise your question
33:58you never once said that
34:00mr mourinho
34:02tried to rob you on telephone did
34:05why should i
34:07we weren't talking about malory we
34:09weren't talking about any incidences all
34:11we were talking about
34:13i mean i was thinking about i mean
34:16was to clear ty from being that suspect
34:19of the sketches on that tv
34:26well what what were you thinking about
34:27when you were talking about this
34:29mistaken identity
34:31the sketches
34:32in case the tape was rolling if there
34:34were some police officers there i was
34:36protecting her over the phone
34:39and you even said that you're going to
34:41slew law enforcement if you got arrested
34:42for this dude
34:45who knows
34:46i was withdrawing from alcohol so bad i
34:48was so confused and so scared about tyra
34:50that i i couldn't function properly i
34:52don't know what i was saying i was i
34:54don't know
34:56i was totally
34:58in another i was in pluto
35:01scared out of my wits
35:04caring about tower i loved her to the
35:07max
35:09i must have told her 25 times a day i
35:11love you
35:14you said uh
35:17that you were supporting tower horse she
35:18really wasn't working
35:21is that what you've been telling the
35:22jury
35:23i i've supported her for
35:26three and a half years the last year she
35:28worked
35:30but she made such little money i had to
35:32still work well
35:34didn't you continue to tell detectives
35:36that she worked all the time
35:38no she didn't work i meant she worked
35:40all the time at casa del mar to directly
35:43talking about cass of del mar when i say
35:45that
35:46can you also say all she does is go to
35:48work come home and then go back and go
35:50to work
35:58and
35:59when you
36:00when you spoke to detective corzine
36:04and told him what you told ty
36:07what you told him was that until you
36:10found a body
36:13but you're just bullshitting her in your
36:15words because you were real drunk
36:20remember saying that
36:22i
36:22what i meant was i was saying that
36:25there's a lot of times i'd be drunk
36:28and i would just
36:30[ __ ] with her
36:33oh but
36:35i was
36:36that's when i was lying
36:39about her yeah
36:41trying to make her sound like she didn't
36:42know anything yeah okay i got you i
36:44remember i know what you're talking
36:46about
36:50i can't remember all the what those
36:51confessions say either
36:53so our keep the story straight in
36:56objection your honor
37:00hard to keep the stories straight isn't
37:02it
37:03no
37:04it's hard to remember
37:06what you're talking about because i'll
37:08tell you right when you just asked me
37:10that question i don't know what you were
37:11talking about as far as uh
37:15what was about
37:16like was i talking on the phone was i
37:20i didn't know you were reading out of
37:21the confession
37:24now the reason you were a prostitute
37:25because
37:26you made really good money at it right
37:30yes
37:32in fact
37:35the indication was that
37:38you went out and
37:40sold yourself six or seven
37:43days each week
37:47um i went out anywhere from four
37:51to seven it deep it varied
37:53there's times i only went out three days
37:55a week but it varied but basically i
37:58went out four to seven i mean because
38:00there's very few times i went out three
38:01times
38:02a week
38:03mostly i went out four to seven times a
38:06week yes and you had sex with three to
38:09eight guys each time
38:11yeah because it varies
38:13you don't never know how many you're
38:15gonna have
38:16you just keep hustling until the day's
38:18through
38:22and you were charging how much
38:24per second
38:2630 for head 35 straight 40 for half and
38:28half 100 an hour
38:31can make anywhere between
38:33600 and thousand dollars a week
38:37well
38:39you're right and that's where all the
38:41money went in bars with tara
38:52i don't have the qualifications for the
38:55jobs
38:56i've always been fired and i've never
38:58been able to hold a job i don't the only
39:01thing i know how to do is prostitution
39:03well it's the only thing i know how to
39:05do we get paid more doing that anything
39:07else you ever do don't you it's good
39:09money
39:10it's also the only thing i really wanted
39:11to do
39:12we also you also like it don't you
39:16you like it
39:18well i like the sex
39:21and
39:22i like some of the clients i meet become
39:24like my brothers
39:25but
39:26it's a job that's just part of
39:30being a prostitute
39:32all right but it's just kind of a
39:34rolling road party wasn't it
39:40no because you have to watch yourself
39:43and be careful and you've got to
39:46you know
39:47keep a level head on your shoulders it's
39:49a job
39:51it's not exciting
39:53like super exciting
39:55you have to keep a good head on your
39:57shoulders and just
39:59do your job and hope you don't you know
40:01run into jerks and stuff
40:03well you do you like to say you like the
40:05money yes i
40:06like sex and i like the
40:09you like the contact with a different
40:11man
40:28and then there came a time that you
40:30decided to arm yourself start carrying
40:34a pistol correct
40:36yes
40:41and you
40:42said there's a reason for that that
40:45tell us again if you would
40:47redevelop the necessary system i'm sorry
40:51i carried it plainly for protection
40:54all right you said that over here
40:57tried to ring you or raped you
41:00i've been raped many times
41:05and it never worked when i had weapons
41:08of other weapons i never could defend
41:10myself
41:11because i finally got a gun
41:13where it would be defense
41:16well
41:17how many times during the four and a
41:19half years you lived with the
41:21time or did you have to defend yourself
41:24i was raped three times
41:28but and there was two other instances
41:29where i had the gun but i didn't use it
41:31they just
41:32had their they're fun they're young guys
41:35i didn't need to hurt them because they
41:37didn't use any weapons on me or anything
41:40and the other three i had two gas guns
41:42and the bull fighter and i got raped and
41:45beat up royal on those
41:47i so you say there are five times you
41:49had to defend yourself uh
41:53with weapons while you were being raped
41:55but you didn't have to use a gun
41:58yeah and the two guys that were one
42:00looked like about 22 and the other 27
42:02that's when i had the gun just before
42:04memory
42:06that you did use the gun to defend
42:08yourself right
42:10objection your own same objection to
42:13answer the question
42:27the question and i'll
42:33how many times during the four and a
42:34half years you were living with time or
42:36did you have to use a gun on someone to
42:39defend yourself objection same grounds
42:41if you asked before mount rubio and
42:43objectionally
42:57they've been retired or did you have to
42:58shoot someone to defend yourself from
43:00rape i couldn't i didn't have a
43:03vehicle i didn't have a pistol a weapon
43:07but if you had you used it earlier
43:10i tried with mace net and i got beat up
43:14and raped it didn't work if you had gone
43:16to those other times you shot him
43:19answered
43:20yeah
43:36well i'll just answer it like this every
43:38situation is totally different i
43:40couldn't answer that question all right
43:41well how about just the five and he said
43:43that raped you before maui would you
43:45have shot them
43:48i don't know
43:49i can't
43:51i don't know
43:52it's every incidence is totally
43:55different
43:56well i guess it's very visible if it's
43:59very violent and physical i'm going to
44:01defend myself yes everybody has a right
44:03to defend themselves that's what i did
44:05these were violent
44:07violent rapes and the other ones i had
44:09to beg for i had to beg for my life i
44:11had a double withdrawal shotgun against
44:12my head he had 357 magnum against my
44:15head
44:16when was that
44:17in the rapes it wasn't in any of these
44:30did you ever kill anyone
44:32that had threatened you
44:34with a 357 magnum or a sawed-off or a
44:37shotgun to your head i couldn't
44:39injection your honor as long as he
44:40focuses it on formal or i have no
44:42objection he doesn't
44:44answer the question
44:46rephrase it first
44:52did you ever kill anyone
44:54to threaten you with 357 magnum
44:58objection
45:02did you ever kill anyone before you
45:04killed mr mallory to threaten you and
45:06frequently said imagine
45:09no
45:11i didn't have a gun
45:13two
45:14on me
45:16and i didn't
45:17pull fighter in the gas gun i always
45:20they always got from me and put the
45:22weapons on me
45:24making me beg for my life
45:26did anyone
45:28after
45:30you killed mr mallory ever threaten you
45:31with a 357 magnum
45:33anybody actually in your honor same
45:35objection anyone after don't answer the
45:38question
45:41that has nothing to do with the sixth
45:42murder
45:51did you ever kill anyone before you
45:53killed mr mowry and threatened you with
45:55a shotgun
45:56how could i he had the shotgun
46:02no yes
46:04did you ever
46:06and there may be an objection so wait
46:07until your council has an opportunity
46:09did you ever kill anyone
46:10after you killed mr mowry to treat you
46:12with a shotgun
46:36three million other women do it too it's
46:38an everyday thing it's been going on for
46:40centuries
46:42and i wasn't doing anything out there
46:43wrong or mean to anybody
46:46what they did was mean to me i was very
46:48kind very nice
46:49had a very ladylike attitude i didn't do
46:52anything wrong to him i didn't even
46:53hardly swear i talked about religion and
46:56politics and even talked about trying to
46:58save the lord with some of them i mean i
47:01talked about jesus coming coming soon
47:04and i just i was very kind there was no
47:07reason to attack me he said what they
47:09did was mean to you
47:11what they did to me was violent
47:13and mean
47:14who are you talking about we're here on
47:16richard mallory and i'm talking about
47:18richard mallory right now you said
47:21i'm not going any further in to this
47:25i would advise you know
47:30i would ask her to go further she
47:31brought it up
47:39so you think it's okay to violate the
47:40law if a lot of other people do
47:44everybody rejection your honor relevance
47:48everybody prostitutes even even
47:50housewives and huh and so do the men
47:53they're out there they're the ones with
47:55the money putting it on the hook
47:57saying to us prostitutes you know there
48:00here we are if they even if they keep
48:02their money in their back pockets their
48:04penis in their pants they wouldn't be
48:05feeding prostitution they're the ones
48:07that feed it
48:09we're just out there making our money
48:12like he's really drunk
48:14objection your honor
48:16there was no harm in it it was like a
48:18date
48:32if i walk in a bar
48:34and i meet a guy which i never worked
48:36with bars truck stops cbs rest areas
48:39street walk nothing that i just strictly
48:42hitchhiked the prostitution
48:45now if i walked in a bar though and
48:47there was a guy there that i wanted to
48:48go to bed with
48:50and we go to bed without money that's
48:52just
48:54and
48:55to me that's just like prostitution
48:56adulteress right there too but here
48:59let's say we go to bed and he offers me
49:00money that's just and we don't hurt each
49:03other what's the what's the difference
49:05what's the difference we've agreed upon
49:06sex with each other the only thing is
49:08he's giving me a little money to help me
49:09and i'm helping him it's just what's the
49:11difference it's like friendship here's a
49:13loan even i mean it's just plain
49:15friendship there's nothing wrong with it
49:17we're not hurting anybody
49:19we weren't hurting anybody they're
49:20hurting us so you think you have a right
49:22to disregard the law if you disagree
49:24with it
49:25well i'll tell you
49:26it's the only thing i could do anyway
49:29that was my job
49:30i wasn't hurting anybody out there
49:33well that's not true
49:37i wasn't hurting anybody out there
49:42i'm the victim as far as i'm concerned
49:49he had no reason to rape me he had no
49:51reason to do what he did to me
49:54i didn't provoke him in any way
49:59you didn't hurt anyone out there what
50:01you said that right
50:02never
50:08they hurt
50:09they hurt me
50:12i'm talking about the earlier rapes and
50:14everything
50:16i didn't have a gun
50:17i couldn't defend myself if i tried to
50:19defend myself i came close to death so
50:22many times i had to beg for my life
50:25i had to carry a gun for protection
50:31it's the only thing i knew what to do
50:34as far as work
50:35i've done it all my life was the only
50:37thing i had i could do but now that
50:40years are getting further
50:42into a very high-rise crime i didn't
50:45answer your question i'll ask you one
50:47more
50:49further into other incidences i'm only
50:51here for the richard mallory case well
50:54i'm i'm only trying to ask you is why
50:56you killed six other men
50:58i'm here for one trial i'm here for
51:00first degree murder one count in this
51:02county
51:03in your honor i ask that you um
51:21on up into their 60s no
51:23i dated guys from anywhere from 28
51:27and in my confession if it says older
51:30i just like i say i wasn't in my right
51:33mind where i could stop and rationalize
51:35to think with some of the things i want
51:36to say because my my mind was
51:40doing a hundred things in the hundreds
51:42of years and isn't it true
51:44contacting these men along the major
51:46thoroughfares and interstate highways at
51:48state law
51:52highways or the major highways of the
51:54state i hitchhiked and prostitute that's
51:56what i did primarily
51:59i'm sorry primarily out of the daytona
52:00beach area in the central florida area
52:02i've worked the whole florida state i
52:04worked the whole florida state
52:07i i attend i-95 i say five by 27 50
52:1241 44 anyway
52:15a whole florida state and it was your
52:18pattern
52:18sorry it was your pattern was it not to
52:22tell us you're a prostitute so that you
52:24can make money
52:26no because a lot of times i got a car
52:28and they asked me if i was dating i mean
52:30i'd on a date
52:33they they propositioned me many times i
52:35a lot of guys pulled over was strictly
52:37for sex it wasn't like giving a girl a
52:40ride to the next exit it was strictly to
52:42pick me up for a date they knew i was
52:45out here for a date
52:46yes
52:48i'm sure every other girl that's
52:49hitchhiking out there gets propositioned
52:51by a guy as soon as they get picked up i
52:53bet you they get propositioned by a guy
52:55because most of the times i didn't have
52:56to ask them they asked
52:58me well you heard uh bonnie coca's talk
53:02about you
53:04asking him he didn't pick me up i don't
53:06even know him and i think furthermore
53:08that jackie giroud knows him that he
53:10called her up about something about a
53:12movie and he's he is full facely lying
53:16up here just to get some media attention
53:18because i've never seen the man in my
53:20life
53:23i wouldn't i wouldn't plus i don't go to
53:25truck stops
53:26and i don't ride with truckers you deny
53:29that that you want to open him and ask
53:32for a ride saying you need to get back
53:33to your children where your sister was i
53:36don't you guess what
53:39my sister i haven't i haven't called her
53:41since for 10 minutes 1986. i haven't
53:44seen her since 1976. i'm not suggesting
53:47you told the truth i'm asking you that
53:48what you told him no i didn't see the
53:51man i don't know who he is i never see
53:53him i didn't tell him nothing because
53:54i've never been in his car i don't know
53:56him
53:57i've never seen him plus i don't think i
53:59deal with somebody that fat anyway
54:01he was too big of a guy and i don't deal
54:03in truck stops
54:06oh you're not the one that hollered
54:07after him
54:10he's too big of a guy i wouldn't trust
54:11him being with him
54:13you're not the one that you hollered
54:15after him
54:17a fat old son of a [ __ ] i'll kill you
54:19too like i did the others
54:21yeah i did not
54:22he never picked me up i've never
54:25especially a truck stop i don't work
54:28truck stops i don't walk in truck stops
54:32i i think truckers are too dirty
54:35your testimony is then he just
54:47he says i had a purse
54:49the police officers got my purse the
54:51brown one
54:53my gun does not fit that purse you can
54:54check it
54:57generally
55:02i carried my gun in a tote
55:14oh yes i doubt that no
55:17no no
55:19never never happened you ever tell
55:22anyone
55:24what do you mean it never even happened
55:26i never did that in my life when i get
55:29home i'm too tired i just set the bed
55:31down or in the closet and go to sleep
55:34you never practice getting out fasting
55:36too fast no
55:37of course not
55:39and i think you made that up oil
55:43you know dr
55:44mcmahon
55:46objection your honor baby approach
55:49no
55:51no doctor mcmahon yes
55:54your honor i believe you ruled on this
55:56prior to
55:57the question
56:03do you know what's against a lot of
56:04carry concealed firearms
56:09yes
56:11but i took that risk because i had to
56:13use protection
56:20if i wasn't a convicted felon i would
56:23have bought a gun and carried it
56:25but since the law won't let us felons
56:27once we get out of prison to protect
56:29ourselves with a weapon they just say go
56:31ahead and get killed we don't care
56:34we have to just go
56:36forget the law and carry it anyway
56:39because there's a lot of people that
56:40have been going
56:41convicted felons coming out of prison
56:45and they're just as decent people as can
56:46be yet you say we can't carry a weapon
56:49we've got to protect ourselves there has
56:50to be a way to protect ourselves
56:53we can't use our hands you're even a
56:55victim of the law
56:59you're even a victim of the law
57:02i don't know what you're talking about
57:04well you just said because of the law oh
57:09all right we can't use our hands this is
57:10what i'm saying we have to have a weapon
57:12are you trying to tell us us convicted
57:15felons cannot defend ourselves
57:17we have to have a way to defend
57:19ourselves they think that all convicted
57:21felons should have carried gunners
57:39people and very straight forward people
57:41want so they broke the law everybody
57:43breaks the law and i bet you do too yeah
57:45you drive the car and pollute the earth
57:47and some of them shooting into death and
57:49cold blood don't objection your honor
57:55some of them shoot men to death in cold
57:57blood don't they no they don't
57:59i didn't shoot anybody in cold blood
58:03although i would have been out there
58:04decaying
58:06instead
58:07you've never shot anyone from blood
58:17i don't have the heart blood
58:29i'm not going to answer that question if
58:30it does not come with this case
58:37so
58:51so different circumstances to different
58:53reasons and circumstances and there's
58:55something i don't need to answer that
58:59it has nothing to do with richard miller
59:00if i can answer it no i'm not going to
59:05leave i'm instructing you not to answer
59:08the big questions
59:10about anything other than richard
59:11mallory i'm asking you not to talk about
59:13it
59:22sir thank you
59:57you
59:59told this jury
1:00:02but miss jenkins was examining you that
1:00:04mr mallory
1:00:06solicited you percent
1:00:10no
1:00:11when we got to quail run he asked me how
1:00:15i know so much about married people he
1:00:17said i thought you're single and you
1:00:19told me you had a roommate and i said
1:00:20well i guess it's time for me to be
1:00:22honest and tell you
1:00:24that i'm i hustle for a living that's
1:00:26why i no married people because 98 of my
1:00:28people are married
1:00:30and i mean
1:00:34he asked me my prices
1:00:37he said well you you mean sex
1:00:39and i said i laughed and i said yeah sex
1:00:42he said well how much do you charge
1:00:45and it carried on from there
1:00:49you say that was after you got off the
1:00:52interstate
1:00:54yes
1:00:56did you tell uh deputy gorzapa
1:01:00that after he offered you the drink and
1:01:02you just got past orlando and your words
1:01:04were getting pretty drunk now and we're
1:01:06continually going down the road and
1:01:08we're getting drunk royal and i asked
1:01:09him if he wanted to help me make some
1:01:10money
1:01:11but i need some money for rent and
1:01:13everything he was interested at times so
1:01:16we go out and we stop at this place on
1:01:18us1
1:01:20okay
1:01:22i was very incoherent when i was saying
1:01:25something it always was
1:01:28chop chopped up what was happening
1:01:30because i couldn't
1:01:32remember
1:01:33correctly plus i was thinking of tyra
1:01:35confessing but that still means that yes
1:01:39at quail run that happened
1:01:41not
1:01:42past orlando but i'm talking about we've
1:01:44got pastor orlando now we're in daytona
1:01:46i'm sure that's how i was thinking
1:01:48we finally got past orlando now we're on
1:01:50us one which we were on us one and quail
1:01:53run
1:01:54and then
1:01:55he
1:01:57we talked about sex and
1:01:59then you agreed to take your clothes off
1:02:02you
1:02:03took your clothes
1:02:04off and that was usual for you wasn't it
1:02:08i always usually took my clothes off
1:02:10first with any guy
1:02:11just because i mean that is if we're
1:02:13doing sex for an hour
1:02:16you know it's not with head or anything
1:02:18just with
1:02:19for an hour
1:02:21all right and according to your uh first
1:02:23statement uh to detect before
1:02:26that time he gave you some money
1:02:30he didn't give me any money are you free
1:02:33i i i told you guys he didn't give him
1:02:35give me any money no that's what
1:02:37what you said today
1:02:40said he didn't give me money right he
1:02:41didn't give me any money he never gave
1:02:43me any money but you told deputy horse
1:02:47back in january of 91 when you took your
1:02:49tape statement
1:02:50that he gave you the money no and then i
1:02:53recorded myself later in the pages you
1:02:55should read on
1:02:56and also tell them it was a different
1:02:58story and the handbag deal is not even
1:03:00with richard mallory it's a totally
1:03:02different guy i was getting mixed up and
1:03:04plus he kept asking me about somebody
1:03:06else and somebody else and somebody else
1:03:07and switching me around so many times i
1:03:09was confused on who was who i was
1:03:11thinking of well here was your statement
1:03:13and you were talking about maori
1:03:16and it's just below you where you talk
1:03:18about your proposition propositioning on
1:03:20page five you get to page six the bottom
1:03:22and you said so we go to the woods
1:03:25and say okay i want a drink of this
1:03:27stuff and it's about five and i'm just
1:03:30start making and so he gives me the
1:03:32money and i start to disrobe
1:03:35pardon me and i think if you check on
1:03:37page nine or something it states no he
1:03:39didn't give me any money we will get
1:03:41there
1:03:42and he said now this guy is getting
1:03:44really
1:03:44kind of he's starting to get a little
1:03:46you know kissing me and stuff anyway he
1:03:49hasn't disrobed himself at all
1:03:52yes i was thinking about the very last
1:03:56seconds what happened when he didn't
1:03:59take off his clothes at that moment when
1:04:01i'm speaking
1:04:05you're still talking about mr mallory on
1:04:07page seven he said okay so anyway we're
1:04:09in the front seat he's hugging kissing
1:04:10on me and all this [ __ ]
1:04:12and so then he starts you know pushing
1:04:14me down and i said wait a minute you
1:04:15know get cool you don't have to get
1:04:18you don't have to get rough you know
1:04:21this is let's have fun this is for fun
1:04:24you know and he's telling me well maybe
1:04:26you know i've been waiting for this all
1:04:27night long and stuff like that that was
1:04:29in the front seat car that was an hour
1:04:31wasn't it
1:04:32yeah but i i did not express that
1:04:35correctly i was totally incoherent and
1:04:38as i if you read on i think it says it's
1:04:40a different story
1:04:42we'll get there
1:04:43and then you go on and at this time
1:04:45you're in the passenger seat he's in the
1:04:47driver's seat right
1:04:49now who's in the passenger seat who
1:04:50would you say you're the manager yes
1:05:03yes i mean he's behind the wheel car you
1:05:05said yes okay
1:05:07and you see the doors are open and he
1:05:09said he's really getting heavy
1:05:11you know on me you know and stuff and
1:05:14i'm going like uh he's getting to where
1:05:16he just wants to just you know he
1:05:18unzipped his pants not take his pants
1:05:20off or anything just start having sex
1:05:22and stuff dennis now you're talking
1:05:24about
1:05:25that's a
1:05:26very
1:05:27last and
1:05:30when
1:05:31[Applause]
1:05:33when i pulled the cord and everything he
1:05:44i
1:05:45didn't get a chance to i told you guys
1:05:48about anal screening screen malory in
1:05:49the beginning and i don't know how
1:05:52how it goes how he questions me i
1:05:54haven't even been able to read those
1:05:57you haven't been able to read the
1:05:58transcript i have read i don't remember
1:06:00what it says but i just know that i
1:06:02wasn't i was questioned improperly
1:06:06where i was totally mixed up i was
1:06:09totally incoherent i was in shock
1:06:11hysteria i was thinking about i was
1:06:13freaking about her because they said
1:06:15they were going to arrest
1:06:16her i was caught i didn't i couldn't
1:06:20remember i was withdrawing from alcohol
1:06:22royal i have been on a seven week roll
1:06:25binge or drinking or no not seven five
1:06:27weeks world been to drinking so she left
1:06:29me because i was all bummed out about
1:06:31her leaving me i was totally gone up
1:06:34here i did not know what
1:06:36i did the best my ability but plus i
1:06:39didn't know what to say i did i knew in
1:06:41my mind i didn't want to talk about
1:06:42because i don't couldn't remember i had
1:06:44blackouts but but you told him great i
1:06:47did the best i could you told me i
1:06:49couldn't excuse
1:06:50you told in great detail
1:06:52uh of the location
1:06:55geographically roadwise and everything
1:06:57else where you were picked up
1:07:12who are you talking about
1:07:14who do i talk this to my my lawyers or
1:07:17yeah you've told in great detail to mr
1:07:19detective horse zepha where mr mallory
1:07:21picked you up oh yeah just i four i say
1:07:24five the whole conversation how you two
1:07:26got along and all that stuff no i didn't
1:07:29no i didn't i said just i-4 and i-75
1:07:32you said you did a lot of talking and
1:07:34you thought he's a nice guy
1:07:37on the way
1:07:38from tampa to daytona yes we talked a
1:07:40lot and then you told me
1:07:43uh
1:07:44that when he wouldn't
1:07:46unzip his pants
1:07:48you said to him and well why don't you
1:07:50just disrobe or something you know i
1:07:52mean
1:07:52why'd you have to have your clothes
1:07:54going no
1:07:55didn't captioning not
1:08:01[Music]
1:08:09different what available today
1:08:10and i'm not i mean you know
1:08:13there's a reason what other story are
1:08:14you talking about i don't know
1:08:17i'm not going to tell you i was incred
1:08:19coherent in those confessions
1:08:21and i don't know what i'm talking about
1:08:23because all i'm talking about in 25
1:08:25pages is claire and tyler jolene moore
1:08:28are you talking about killing me
1:08:31you're talking about killing man for 25
1:08:33pages
1:08:35now
1:08:35the only place you talk about clearing
1:08:37tyron moore generally is at the start
1:08:39of these transcripts i i said it 37
1:08:42times i stated clear or 17 times i
1:08:44stayed clear in tower
1:08:46and
1:08:4820 i think it's 37 times something like
1:08:50that about
1:08:52confessing only for time i know
1:08:54confessing only for tyra 17 times
1:08:57you say this is some other person you
1:08:59were talking about that wouldn't unzip
1:09:00his pants and you got man
1:09:03he said this is some other person
1:09:05objection your honors going into the
1:09:07same area again same objection of
1:09:08director of attention the question i
1:09:10don't know what it is i'm just getting
1:09:11just as confused as when these
1:09:13confessions were being questioned i
1:09:14don't understand what you're getting at
1:09:16all right listen to questions you said
1:09:19that this person who wouldn't unzip his
1:09:22pants
1:09:24they have sex with someone else who is
1:09:26that
1:09:28who's that other person you're talking
1:09:29about
1:09:31what do you think
1:09:41well apparently i just heard it's too
1:09:44late now that that's not what it says in
1:09:45there you're just making up something
1:09:47you know she said that wasn't what she
1:09:49said oh
1:09:52you think i'm thinking of something i
1:09:53don't know i don't know what you're
1:09:55talking about because i don't know what
1:09:56you're reading we're
1:09:58here's what i asked you what page
1:10:00page
1:10:08you know
1:10:09just
1:10:10you know unzip his pants not take his
1:10:12pants off or anything he starts having
1:10:14sex and stuff and i said well why don't
1:10:16you just disrobe or something you know
1:10:18i mean why do you have your clothes okay
1:10:21there it must be when i first asked him
1:10:23to just see i mixed up
1:10:26i'm mixed up totally i asked him to
1:10:28disrobe because it was getting cold in
1:10:30the car i said let's why don't we get
1:10:32why don't you
1:10:34undress so we can get let's get started
1:10:36it's cold in here so i know that's what
1:10:37part i'm talking about there all right
1:10:40that's where just before that she said
1:10:41he's kissing on you and getting heavy
1:10:43you know what you're talking about
1:10:44then i see that's what i'm saying i had
1:10:46this all i was totally mentally blocked
1:10:49totally i had blackouts completely about
1:10:51that night what happened exactly and i'm
1:10:54just choppy as can be well when you say
1:10:59[Applause]
1:11:08and if i said he's getting heavy on me
1:11:10kissing and hugging me that's rape
1:11:12heavy means great hold you although
1:11:15you've offered to have sex you're laying
1:11:16there naked on your back
1:11:18objection you're on a rule
1:11:22you've already have sex and you're
1:11:23laying there naked on your back and the
1:11:25man paid you and you say it's rape when
1:11:27he's kissing
1:11:28and getting on you he didn't pay me and
1:11:30i don't know what you're talking about
1:11:31he didn't pay me he's not kissing me
1:11:33because for regular he's he raped me
1:11:37this is when
1:11:38he
1:11:51well the way i talk it's like well
1:11:53you're fighting a little bit and you
1:11:55know
1:11:56that's why i talk
1:11:58but you expanded upon that today to tell
1:12:00the story being tied up and well we did
1:12:02fight a little bit it wasn't a whole lot
1:12:04of fight when i grabbed his arms at the
1:12:05very end
1:12:07and he slapped me in the face
1:12:09he didn't last five minutes
1:12:12only lasted half a minute at the moment
1:12:16you said and i had my purse right there
1:12:17on the passenger floor
1:12:20and said no it wasn't about the purse it
1:12:22was a blue bag that's right
1:12:25you carried a tote bag
1:12:29good then the brown purse you had was
1:12:32with the body covers
1:12:34i did yeah why don't you check that gun
1:12:37and see if it fits because if it i'm
1:12:38telling you it doesn't and bobby coppola
1:12:39says no he's talking about because bobby
1:12:41copper's never picked me up all right
1:12:42well onto the blue bag he said he had a
1:12:44blue bag
1:12:46zipped on the side and it was unzipped
1:12:48because you want to make sure if
1:12:50anything happened i could use my gun
1:12:54things were starting to happen where i
1:12:55was gonna i think he was gonna roll me
1:12:58take my money back
1:13:01what are you talking about
1:13:04well
1:13:06probably what i'm trying probably what
1:13:08i'm thinking is that this guy
1:13:11is going to just
1:13:14grate me take my money
1:13:16kill me whatever y'all i don't know
1:13:19maybe he thinks i have five six hundred
1:13:21dollars dude
1:13:22money back you talk about the money that
1:13:24he gave you earlier he never gave me any
1:13:26money
1:13:28no way he said or beat me up or whatever
1:13:30when i say take my body back i'm sure
1:13:32like
1:13:33that's just some i was too kind of iron
1:13:36i wasn't even talking it's just like my
1:13:37expression you know the way i was
1:13:39expressing this here's your word
1:13:42it's why you're starting to grab this
1:13:44gun you say
1:13:57beat me up or whatever the heck he's
1:13:58gonna do
1:14:00and doesn't it say this is a different
1:14:01story at the end so i jumped out
1:14:05you said you're not talking about memory
1:14:06there
1:14:08i may be talking a little bit about them
1:14:10but then i might be talking about
1:14:11somebody else in it so that's why i said
1:14:12wait a minute that's all messed up
1:14:15like i'm trying to tell you well this
1:14:16isn't mr mallory who were you talking
1:14:17about
1:14:18objection
1:14:19same objection we can answer the
1:14:21question
1:14:24i couldn't get each don't answer the
1:14:26question
1:14:37he just asked me about mr mallory
1:14:40didn't detective munster ask you about
1:14:42the other now herself i questioned me
1:14:44and a couple others
1:14:47but in any event at this point you've
1:14:49been talking about mallory according to
1:14:51the questions and he answered that point
1:14:53correct
1:15:04no because i never get out of the car
1:15:06so i'm saying i never had it i was never
1:15:08coherent enough to tell you what
1:15:09actually happened because there was too
1:15:11many blank spots i had to sit back put
1:15:13all the pieces together this person this
1:15:16person what happened i had to get
1:15:19i was drunk as could be that night i had
1:15:22to try to remember like
1:15:24what did happen exactly precisely and
1:15:27everything i couldn't tell you guys and
1:15:29if i started to
1:15:31like i say every time i messed up and
1:15:33wanted to start over you guys
1:15:35interrupted me you talked about richard
1:15:37mallory and then
1:15:39what was it 11 or 12 pages later then
1:15:41you come back to mallory again after
1:15:43you've gone through a whole bunch of
1:15:44jazz about some other stuff
1:15:47and me confused
1:15:49and then you talk about i mean the
1:15:51detective monster horse effort or
1:15:53whatever but talk about uh assassin's
1:15:55creed guy and then asked me about well
1:15:57did you find his wallet
1:15:59and then he was talking about richard
1:16:01mallory excuse me
1:16:03i don't have a question for you based
1:16:04upon what you're doing now let me just
1:16:06finish this question
1:16:08he said i jumped out of the car in my
1:16:09bag and i grabbed a gun he said and i
1:16:11said get out of the car and he said what
1:16:13what's going on i said you son of a
1:16:15[ __ ] i knew you're going to rape me he
1:16:17said no i wasn't no i wasn't
1:16:21and why don't you read the rest it says
1:16:22it's not a different series is that what
1:16:24you said that's what that one did maybe
1:16:26what i said but it's wrong because it
1:16:28wasn't i was not coherent
1:16:31and it is totally about somebody else
1:16:33which i'm not going to talk about
1:16:36[Music]
1:16:39well how about here in
1:16:41later on you said oh no no no
1:16:43that wasn't yet is that where you
1:16:44correct it
1:16:59yes
1:17:24okay
1:17:40they said
1:17:42get out of the car that you speaking he
1:17:44said what what's going on and i said you
1:17:46son of a [ __ ] i knew you're going to
1:17:47rape me he said no
1:17:49i wasn't no i wasn't and i said oh yes
1:17:52you were
1:17:53you know you're going to try to reign so
1:17:55anyway i told him step away from the car
1:17:57and then he said oh no no no i didn't
1:18:01all this is another thing okay
1:18:04i know what happened
1:18:06okay i took
1:18:08i got i jumped out of the car and we say
1:18:10i
1:18:13i got page seven and i don't see
1:18:16anything you're talking about here
1:18:20i'm sorry page eight now start on page
1:18:22seven
1:18:25okay
1:18:29you said
1:18:30oh no no no i didn't all this is another
1:18:33thing okay
1:18:35i know what happened okay i took i got i
1:18:39jumped out of the car
1:18:41and that was malory you're talking about
1:18:44no because i told you yeah he was
1:18:46starting to get physically do stuff to
1:18:48me oh this is a different story god see
1:18:50it so long ago
1:18:52and that's why i'm totally incoherent i
1:18:55can't remember everything you guys are
1:18:56asking me questions about these
1:18:58incidences that happen when my mind's
1:19:00focused on tara i only came here to
1:19:02confess i don't know what i'm doing here
1:19:04talking to you guys about the other
1:19:05things and and i'm like well should i
1:19:07even answer these questions i really
1:19:09don't want to and i'm also confused
1:19:11anyway when i start talking about them
1:19:13that i get mixed up with different
1:19:14people because you guys keep asking me
1:19:17you know okay it's all right take your
1:19:19time and then you say yeah okay i jumped
1:19:20out of the car i pulled my gun out when
1:19:22he started to do physically do [ __ ] to
1:19:24me with me and now what kind of type of
1:19:26gun do you have now you don't even let
1:19:28me go up i mean they weren't letting me
1:19:30go on
1:19:31and or nothing to recorrect myself or
1:19:33anything they kept
1:19:34now he just asked me about now for the
1:19:36next 11 pages he's talking about all
1:19:40different guys white pickup truck and i
1:19:42say what white pickup truck i don't
1:19:43really call a white picture they i'm
1:19:45going to instruct you not to talk about
1:19:48any
1:19:48other
1:19:50charges all right
1:19:52cases pending
1:19:57we went on to say that
1:19:59on that same page that this was a nine
1:20:01shot 22 caliber pistol correct
1:20:05and that it was fully loaded
1:20:10uh
1:20:10yeah i usually carry it loaded
1:20:16this appear to be that festival
1:20:22exhibit 20.
1:20:27that was your pencil
1:20:31yes yes
1:20:34i have a pistol you killed richard
1:20:35mallory with
1:20:39yes
1:20:40yes
1:20:41this vessel that you threw away under
1:20:43rose bay
1:20:44bridge in volusia county correct
1:20:47yes
1:20:52nearly a year later
1:20:55right
1:20:56nearly a year later to threw it away
1:21:10yes she did
1:21:13when did she do that
1:21:16very
1:21:17last stages of our relationship
1:21:20i told her i was going to go ahead and
1:21:21quit hustling and she said just throw
1:21:23the gun away in the river or something
1:21:26at that time did she know that she had
1:21:29killed herself
1:21:30your honor objections same grounds we
1:21:33don't answer that question
1:21:36at that time did she know you had killed
1:21:38richard mallory with it
1:21:41yes because she stopped taking the i
1:21:43told her 14 days later
1:21:45about the bruises and everything and
1:21:47told her what happened she knows it
1:21:49self-defense
1:21:57was there any other reason that you know
1:21:58she told you thrown away
1:22:02no because she used to tell me do you
1:22:03got your gun do you have your rubbers
1:22:05make sure you don't
1:22:07make sure that you uh clean the vehicles
1:22:09out very good if you ever run into an
1:22:10incident like that again delaney hurts
1:22:12you honey you've been violently raped
1:22:14and i'll never want to see anybody do
1:22:16anything like that to you again
1:22:18did you ever tell her about any violent
1:22:20rings after mallory or tiffany
1:22:33now you'd only had that gun for maybe a
1:22:35couple of months at most or maybe as
1:22:36short as a couple of days right
1:22:40i've had it for at least
1:22:42ever since rutland which i don't know
1:22:43you have to i have to
1:22:45somebody has to check up and see when i
1:22:47lived in rutland before ocean camp
1:22:49village campground that's
1:23:04we don't need
1:23:08[Music]
1:23:13well on page nine
1:23:15of your
1:23:16transcripts of your deposition
1:23:18you first
1:23:24a couple of months ago
1:23:27and then detective said okay you had a
1:23:29gun quite a long time you again said no
1:23:31only a couple of months before and he
1:23:33says right and then you said i think i
1:23:36think i
1:23:38he responded that's no problem then he
1:23:40said
1:23:41i might have got the gun just then
1:23:44i don't
1:23:46i can't remember like like two days
1:23:49before or something
1:23:52well like i said
1:23:54i
1:23:55when you're supposed to stop the clock
1:23:57let me heal my mind from my hysteria and
1:23:59everything else i'm not going to answer
1:24:01any questions coherently i was
1:24:02incoherent i was scared i'm totally
1:24:05unplugged
1:24:06so whatever i said that makes sense
1:24:08basically and i've read the
1:24:10one time
1:24:12this thing this confession and it shows
1:24:15nothing but hysterical hysteria and
1:24:18incoherence there is no coherence
1:24:20whatsoever hardly at all in this
1:24:21confession it shows i am freaking out
1:24:24and so any questions that i answer are
1:24:26not going to be
1:24:28coherent or uh
1:24:30well if you even want to say honest
1:24:32because i can't be honest because i
1:24:33can't say the truth or what's happening
1:24:35because i'm incoherent i don't know
1:24:38and i'm telling you right now i got the
1:24:40gun in rutland so take it from there and
1:24:41that's all i can do
1:24:44well then on that same page
1:24:46the discussion concerning mr maori
1:24:48resumes that's page nine
1:24:52and
1:24:53the detective boards have said okay so
1:24:54you're back there you jump out of the
1:24:56car your response was i jumped out of
1:24:58the car
1:24:59because he was physically starting to
1:25:01abuse me
1:25:04agent next to the doctor
1:25:06and i remember now
1:25:08he didn't give me any money
1:25:10this was another guy
1:25:12this guy he said he said well i'll give
1:25:14you no
1:25:15i said well i always take my money first
1:25:18see how the merchandise is
1:25:21and then the question this was mr mowry
1:25:23told you your answer yes
1:25:28i do recall him saying something about
1:25:30merchandise but i
1:25:32that was
1:25:34okay
1:25:36there's no question you jumped out of
1:25:37the car though with mr mountain before
1:25:39you shot him
1:25:40no i jumped out of the car after he was
1:25:43shot three times and i ran to the
1:25:45driver's side open the door was looking
1:25:47at him he was starting to come out at me
1:25:49and i just said don't come any don't
1:25:52come any closer to me or something like
1:25:54that i'm gonna have to keep shooting you
1:25:55if you do and he just kept coming and so
1:25:58i showed him all right so you shot him
1:26:00three times from according to you inside
1:26:03the car
1:26:04right
1:26:05i shot him three times
1:26:07yeah
1:26:11and that's not an automatic pistol you
1:26:13have to
1:26:14pull the trigger and [ __ ] no it shoots
1:26:16really easy
1:26:18really it's got like a hairpin trigger
1:26:19to it
1:26:22and after you shining three times where
1:26:24did those bullets take
1:26:26well all i know is that he was reaching
1:26:28his arms since i've seen from you guys
1:26:30one must have went under there
1:26:32and i don't know where the others that
1:26:33they went in the front area
1:26:36i don't know where then you got out
1:26:38passenger door and ran all the way
1:26:39around the car
1:26:40correct
1:26:42yeah according to this story
1:26:45you open the door
1:26:47correct
1:26:48and then you him here
1:26:50he was coming out of the car and i do
1:26:53even stated in here now if you want to
1:26:56say something about he's uh getting out
1:26:58of the car somewhere in here
1:27:00i'm 55 or something
1:27:0453
1:27:07yes it's 53
1:27:13good thing and you said that this
1:27:15discussion about money you hadn't asked
1:27:17for money and you thought he's a pretty
1:27:19nice guy is that right
1:27:21say that again you hadn't asked for the
1:27:23money in advance because you thought he
1:27:24was a pretty nice guy is that right
1:27:27yeah because i
1:27:28traveled with him from tampa to daytona
1:27:31hasn't tried anything on me yet so all
1:27:33right and then you get all the little
1:27:34big chances too when we stop to take
1:27:36leaks and everything
1:27:38all right and and
1:27:39deputy jordan was just listening now
1:27:42he said
1:27:42he talked about the money he said he
1:27:44said this is what maury told you and he
1:27:46said yes and he said okay
1:27:48waiting for your next explanation
1:27:51and your answer was so i said well since
1:27:54i've been talking to you all night long
1:27:56i think you seem like a pretty nice guy
1:27:59you know so okay let's go
1:28:03let's let's go have fun so i started to
1:28:05lay down
1:28:06and he's gonna you know unzip his pants
1:28:10objection your honor is there a question
1:28:11or is he just reading her statement
1:28:14did you say that
1:28:16is that what happened
1:28:17i'm telling you that's not what happened
1:28:19i'm telling you i'm in coherent again in
1:28:22this statement not expressing myself
1:28:26right what really happened
1:28:28and i go into other details with other
1:28:31people in here where i'm totally talking
1:28:33about one person and another person even
1:28:35talking about
1:28:41all richard you know you're talking
1:28:42about mr mallory here though
1:28:46apparently it says this is what mr
1:28:48mallory told you i say yes but then you
1:28:50go okay and then i go carry on but
1:28:52believe me i'm not i'm not talking i'm
1:28:55not getting
1:28:57i'm incoherent i'm not saying it right
1:28:59well this doesn't sound incorrect i'm
1:29:00thinking of another incident
1:29:02listen to this sentence you said why
1:29:04don't you take your clothes off my god
1:29:07you know i said well it hurt to do that
1:29:10yeah that sounds pretty incoherent to me
1:29:12and then he got pissed
1:29:15called me and said [ __ ] you baby i'm
1:29:18gonna screw you right here and now or
1:29:20something like that
1:29:21was that mr mallory
1:29:23i didn't remember the night what
1:29:25happened i did the best i could to get
1:29:27close on that
1:29:29particular thought in mind
1:29:35and he went on to say that you were in
1:29:37the woods with the door open right
1:29:41pardon me
1:29:42you went on to acknowledge that you were
1:29:44in the woods and the doors of the
1:29:45automobile were open they were not open
1:29:49but you said they were
1:29:51again i
1:29:53i'm gonna have to go over this with your
1:29:54time's over because i'm not asking you
1:29:56to answer did you say they were at that
1:29:58time
1:29:59i said they weren't that time i guess
1:30:01maybe all right
1:30:02then we heard your explanation all you
1:30:04have to do is
1:30:13right after the word okay
1:30:14he said
1:30:16i remember that referring to the woods
1:30:19and the doors open he said and i said no
1:30:22no
1:30:23you're not gonna just [ __ ] me you gotta
1:30:26pay
1:30:28is that what you said mr mountain
1:30:31like i said is that what you said to ms
1:30:33yes or no if that's what's in the
1:30:35confessions i guess i can't
1:30:37say them listen
1:30:38it's there you know what you said to him
1:30:41no i'm saying no okay i didn't say it
1:30:44right
1:30:44and you say it's because you were
1:30:46totally incoherent and didn't understand
1:30:48what you're doing yes i was totally
1:30:51and if you would have saw me 45 minutes
1:30:52before i even talked on the confessions
1:30:54and and when i just got off that phone
1:30:55you would have seen me and tell them
1:30:57hysterical statement i didn't stop
1:30:59laughing and crying and everything else
1:31:01that was going on and then you continued
1:31:04to say he said and he said oh the
1:31:06[ __ ] and that's when i got pissed
1:31:09isn't that what she said
1:31:11that's what you have
1:31:12it's not what it says one person
1:31:23[Applause]
1:31:24is that right
1:31:26if that's what it says in there but i'm
1:31:28telling you i like i said before
1:31:31i would talk about one person and then
1:31:33it would be another person i'm talking
1:31:35about another person and it would be
1:31:37mallory i'm talking about with mixing up
1:31:39even i had it so mixed up in here i
1:31:42there's just
1:31:44they were as i tyler asked me to race
1:31:48get drunk and erase these instances keep
1:31:50erasing erasing erasing that's just what
1:31:52i did i erased and when they they
1:31:54started questioning me on these
1:31:56i was totally lost because i couldn't
1:32:00remember i had blank spots well how
1:32:02about today you told the story about
1:32:04alcohol and anal rape and you've had all
1:32:07sorts of details that you've never ever
1:32:10ever revealed to plea
1:32:13right never ever what revealed to the
1:32:16police
1:32:17and i can talk about everyone now today
1:32:20but would you might not be going to no
1:32:22objection your honor read again i would
1:32:24advise you not to talk about any other
1:32:27incident other than mali
1:32:35thank
1:32:38you say well i'm coming back to
1:32:40recollection okay so then we started
1:32:41fighting and everything else and i
1:32:43jumped out he grabbed my bag and i
1:32:45grabbed my bag he arm busted i got the
1:32:47bag again and i pulled it out of his
1:32:48hand
1:32:49that's when i grabbed the pistol
1:32:51that's what happened but
1:32:54that is a totally different guy
1:32:57and i just shot him in the front seat
1:32:59shot just front seat
1:33:03but not that way
1:33:05that's not what happened
1:33:07i told you it was a different guy and it
1:33:09even states it was a different guy
1:33:11that's the same phrase and i say it's a
1:33:13different story
1:33:18would you tell us who you're talking
1:33:20about here
1:33:30she went on to say that
1:33:44i tried to i don't remember how i was i
1:33:47matter of fact yesterday i didn't notice
1:33:49what i was doing
1:33:50and that that was talking about this
1:33:52from already what
1:33:55i guess
1:33:56then you go on page 10 say okay then he
1:33:59proceeded to get out of the car
1:34:02so he started to get out of the car i
1:34:03ran around in front of the car and he
1:34:05started coming towards me your honor i'm
1:34:06going to have to object again the uh
1:34:08prosecutor is reading her statement he's
1:34:11not asking any questions if he has
1:34:13questions i'm sure she'll answer as long
1:34:15as it pertains to memory
1:34:19[Music]
1:34:23if it's written there i guess that's
1:34:25what it says i can't take the typing and
1:34:28erase it
1:34:29and change it over i'm changing i'm
1:34:31trying to tell you the truth today what
1:34:32actually happened
1:34:34this
1:34:35this is incoherent mishmash jazz
1:34:44now on page 53
1:34:46again your honor same objections
1:34:54well go back let's go back to 21. you
1:34:56you certainly
1:34:58are willing admitting
1:35:03i was lying down in the passenger seat
1:35:07lying down across the whole darn
1:35:12front seat actually
1:35:18he was behind the wheel
1:35:20he was up on his knee one leg down
1:35:24one leg one knee up on the
1:35:26on the
1:35:29seat
1:35:32and you were lying down
1:35:33i was
1:35:35my legs were up like
1:35:37and he was having me once
1:35:40spread my legs
1:35:43well is that true with the boat have
1:35:45gone in and come out up high
1:35:46[Music]
1:35:52explain why the bullet with which you
1:35:54shot him
1:36:08he was so decomposed you couldn't tell
1:36:11how can you say that
1:36:16i don't i couldn't tell you all i know
1:36:18is i shot
1:36:20from the seat down
1:36:22lying down
1:36:28you shot him immediately didn't give him
1:36:30a chance to say anything
1:36:32am i supposed to stop the clock and say
1:36:33rationalize with this guy who's about
1:36:35who wanted to kill me you said he was
1:36:37going to kill me you didn't give him a
1:36:39chance to say anything we shot him the
1:36:40first time did you
1:36:42no i didn't
1:36:43what about second time no
1:36:46what about third time no
1:36:48what about the last time you shot him on
1:36:50the ground
1:36:51i didn't shoot him on the ground i shoot
1:36:53hit i shot
1:36:55i shot him
1:36:57as he was coming out of the car
1:37:00and i shot him
1:37:03i told him to stop
1:37:05don't move no more don't come toward me
1:37:07anymore
1:37:08and just stay there
1:37:10he didn't listen he was coming out of
1:37:12the car and i shot him again because he
1:37:14didn't know what the dickens he was
1:37:16doing i didn't know if he had another
1:37:18gun under the seat i didn't know if he
1:37:19was going to reach for another weapon i
1:37:22don't know what he had
1:37:24he didn't have a weapon in that car
1:37:26how do i know did he have a weapon no he
1:37:28didn't but how did i and then after he
1:37:30shot him he ran around in front of car
1:37:32and came around
1:37:33[Music]
1:37:42[Applause]
1:37:44he didn't shut the door i shut the door
1:37:46afterwards
1:37:54and then you went
1:37:55drove to
1:37:57quail hollow or quail run
1:38:04just as soon as you get off the road
1:38:06just right there there's some place you
1:38:08can park why did you go there
1:38:10because i was totally nude and i had to
1:38:12get my clothes on and i also was shook
1:38:15up and i was crying vehemently and i had
1:38:18to get my head back together but of
1:38:20course i can't ride around noon i can't
1:38:22drive nude how'd you know where quail
1:38:24run was i live out there
1:38:28do that
1:38:28neighborhood i
1:38:30i know all daytona all of daytona i've
1:38:34been here since 1974.
1:38:37i lived in vanilla
1:38:41and then he went and got some gas
1:38:43right
1:38:44very little
1:38:47you went back to the hotel and you told
1:38:48ty you borrow the car
1:38:51right i told tyra
1:38:53when i got into the motel room and saw
1:38:56the furniture totally destroyed and
1:39:00everything else
1:39:01i immediately i was going to just not
1:39:03even tell her the car was out there you
1:39:04know i was just going to take a shower
1:39:05and go back back out and hurry up and
1:39:07get rid of it
1:39:08but when i said that i said oh man i got
1:39:10to get we gotta get out of here the
1:39:12manager's gonna call the cops or
1:39:13whatever so i told her i said i just
1:39:15borrowed a car and a guy's at a motel
1:39:17waiting i gotta bring it back in two
1:39:18hours
1:39:19mr mallory's pockets and took his uh
1:39:22goods and his money
1:39:23no i didn't i went and got his keys his
1:39:26his wallet wasn't even on his possession
1:39:28it was underneath the seat of the car
1:39:30he turned his pockets inside out
1:39:34just to get the keys out of the out of
1:39:35his pocket
1:39:37and uh i'm sure it pulled it it just
1:39:40came with the
1:39:41keys this pocket opened with
1:39:44he had some pretty tight jeans on
1:39:46and they were still shipped out weren't
1:39:47they yes they were has his pants on
1:39:50yes but he was about to unzip them
1:39:53and that's what made you mad wouldn't
1:39:54take long
1:39:56nope
1:39:59that's not what happened then you went
1:40:00went on to uh have a car wash to get rid
1:40:04of any evidence that might be on right
1:40:07pardon you had his car washed get rid of
1:40:09any evidence that might be on it
1:40:11i had the car wash to make sure my
1:40:13fingerprints weren't in that car because
1:40:14i was scared out of my mind about what i
1:40:17had just done and i and that i had to
1:40:21you know leave your vehicle somewhere
1:40:24can you pawn his radar protector
1:40:28yes i did that for food as i laid low
1:40:48food see
1:40:51how much money did you get from
1:40:54there's like 38 or 42
1:40:5640 or something like that it wasn't
1:40:58it was less than 50.
1:41:01i like i remember 20 and a 10 and some
1:41:03changed like
1:41:06fives in the morning
1:41:12when you shot
1:41:13mr mallory
1:41:26i had no choice i couldn't stop the
1:41:29clock and say well let's see where i can
1:41:30shoot him at so he'll stay alive i there
1:41:34i had to immediately shoot
1:41:37he was
1:41:38going to kill me he was in he was going
1:41:40to beat the living dead he choked me to
1:41:43death whatever he was going to
1:41:45[Music]
1:41:52i say no
1:41:54and here's your answer no you shot him
1:41:56in the chest i had no choice wherever i
1:41:59shot him and it killed him i had no
1:42:01choice i didn't have a chance to stop
1:42:03the clock and say shoot him in the leg
1:42:04shoot him in the foot shoot him in the
1:42:06arm and i'm not the greatest aimer
1:42:08i did whatever i had to do at the
1:42:10quickest moment and without
1:42:13as fast as possible
1:42:15it was spontaneous
1:42:16reaction
1:42:18shot him once in the side right
1:42:21right now i'm gonna have to object ask
1:42:24several
1:42:26the times right
1:42:28i didn't know he got shot in the neck at
1:42:30all i didn't hear that he got shot in
1:42:32the neck
1:42:33well did you see him shirt with a bullet
1:42:34hole in the collar
1:42:40okay she's already testified she can't
1:42:42remember where he was shot
1:42:49well didn't you tell uh
1:42:53deputy gorzek on page 25
1:42:58that person was going to die
1:43:00i mean you weren't just going to shoot
1:43:02him remember that question
1:43:04yes remember your answer oh i was
1:43:07definitely going to shoot them and let
1:43:08them die
1:43:12yes and i'm referring to a certain
1:43:14situation and i went that's the thing
1:43:17there's certain situations here
1:43:20there's a number
1:43:22and uh every incident was a different
1:43:25situation of of the
1:43:28violence that was involved
1:43:30and the
1:43:33fear and everything else in certain
1:43:35situations so when i talked to about
1:43:37when i'm getting questioned those
1:43:39questions i'm referring of certain
1:43:41situations certain people and everything
1:43:43else to see if you can't
1:43:46nothing can be
1:43:49leveled to one person you can tell
1:44:05page 58 again a little ahead of where
1:44:08you said i was definitely going to shoot
1:44:10and let him die these questions are
1:44:12asked by
1:44:12deputy warzepa he said uh
1:44:18did you give an electric razor to the
1:44:20gentleman who owned a little restaurant
1:44:22for each state your answer was yes i did
1:44:26the question was whose razor did that
1:44:29belong to he said i think that was
1:44:31malware's question richard mallory's
1:44:33razor uh-huh
1:44:35did you give that gentleman or his wife
1:44:37anything else he gives uh huh
1:44:41items uh i just want to get rid of the
1:44:43razor because uh
1:44:44i didn't objection or is this a
1:44:58yes and amazingly that some of the short
1:45:01questions i mean
1:45:02some of the smiles don't
1:45:04explain later with those questions your
1:45:07answers yes sir
1:45:09and i ask you to look
1:45:14at exhibit 122.
1:45:37ripping open the evidence and throwing
1:45:39it down in front of my client
1:45:47i don't know
1:45:50i was not shown the razor when they
1:45:53asked me so therefore i do not know
1:45:56if this is his
1:46:07hard to keep up with that much property
1:46:08that you take isn't it
1:46:24your answer was i just wanted to get rid
1:46:25of the razor because i didn't you know
1:46:27what do i need it for and i
1:46:31and i
1:46:32just you know
1:46:35are nice to me and shipped so i decided
1:46:37to give them the razor for christmas
1:46:49right
1:46:51like i say i don't know if that's this
1:46:53razor or not and i don't need to lie he
1:46:54had a razor but i don't know
1:46:56what
1:46:57who where i don't know what it looks
1:46:59like i know that tyra wanted me to keep
1:47:01a razor for her to shave her legs with
1:47:03and that is the only reason i kept the
1:47:05darn thing in the first place i didn't
1:47:07care about it i just could have threw it
1:47:09with everything else my question to you
1:47:11is this you were talking about mr
1:47:13mallory's razor at that time
1:47:15yes okay and then
1:47:17then the next question to you if you're
1:47:19talking about mr mallory's razor he said
1:47:22so you after all these rejection your
1:47:24honor
1:47:26i'll move past that question
1:47:30the next
1:47:31next question after that was it but when
1:47:33you decided to pull that gun
1:47:46i haven't been able to sit and
1:47:48rationalize out
1:47:49to to think it out
1:47:53and realize what i'm saying
1:47:55because
1:47:56i'm too under too much stress to steer
1:47:58everything up i don't answer these any
1:48:01of this jazz
1:48:03correctly
1:48:06so if i state something like that it
1:48:08sounds kind of rough i didn't mean it
1:48:10that way i just was too under stress and
1:48:13tense i didn't know i explained myself
1:48:15well
1:48:16he also explained to deputy gorzappa did
1:48:19you not
1:48:22that you had to kill
1:48:26because
1:48:26[Applause]
1:48:28if you didn't
1:48:30killing
1:48:41hello
1:48:49page seven tape one
1:48:55page what one
1:48:57take one
1:49:19oh
1:49:32page seven
1:49:37i said so i shot him and then i thought
1:49:39to myself well
1:49:42might as well just keep shooting them
1:49:44because i gotta kill a guy objection
1:49:46your honor is very insane grounds on
1:49:48move for a mistrial this is not
1:49:54didn't you tell
1:49:57before
1:49:59that
1:50:04taking mr mallory's property was your
1:50:05final eventually
1:50:09i told him
1:50:11if i say it like that and hear like
1:50:13wrong but this is how it feels
1:50:16i felt like what he did to me
1:50:19was unnecessary
1:50:21and so therefore when i took his
1:50:23property for food
1:50:25i figured
1:50:26well
1:50:29it's like
1:50:34i don't know it was like
1:50:47good
1:50:55so
1:51:14so
1:51:28did you tell uh
1:51:30stephanie jordan himself defenseman
1:51:41defense maybe it was two
1:51:53[Music]
1:52:00generic
1:52:09jeremy we
1:52:16sometimes
1:52:37do
1:52:53foreign
1:53:10i couldn't hear you did you tell
1:53:13me
1:53:14you didn't know why
1:53:16you killed
1:53:17richard mallory page police
1:53:20what page stage four
1:53:23on the first one or the second first
1:53:39you know what i did i don't understand
1:53:41why i did it
1:53:44again your honor i'm jeff jack i'll
1:53:46direct you not to answer the question
1:53:48lee i'm not going
1:53:50to be
1:54:14now this wasn't
1:54:18also
1:54:23did you say that
1:54:25i knew you had to because you knew he
1:54:27left some witness
1:54:29out
1:54:30objection find out who you were you get
1:54:32caught
1:54:34objection your honor
1:54:42now
1:55:03he when i
1:55:05had to
1:55:06do what i had to do
1:55:09if he would have been alive
1:55:15he would have probably told the cops i
1:55:17tried to rob him and kill him which is
1:55:19not true because i am a prostitute
1:55:21nobody was gonna believe that i'm a
1:55:23prostitute and then he raped me
1:55:26and then he tried to
1:55:28strangle me and kill me and that he was
1:55:31going to probably do all kinds of other
1:55:32things to me throughout the whole day
1:55:34the next morning and whatever how long
1:55:36he was going to keep me
1:55:37i don't believe anybody would have
1:55:39believed me because we've got
1:55:40prostitutes out there that are being
1:55:42killed every day and nobody cares about
1:55:45it and we've got women being raped every
1:55:47day and it doesn't seem they're
1:55:49prostitutes that nobody cares about it
1:55:52and i have witnesses with my own eyes
1:55:55reading the newspapers
1:55:56numerous numerous numerous times
1:55:59i believe that nobody would have
1:56:01believed me
1:56:03so when i made that statement i meant
1:56:07referring to the fact
1:56:09that nobody would have believed that i
1:56:11was raped
1:56:12and then i had to defend myself they
1:56:14would have said you're a prostitute we
1:56:16don't care
1:56:17so you decided
1:56:20i i didn't
1:56:22when he was dying
1:56:25i'm talking about other decisions dirt
1:56:28talking about different situations i'm
1:56:29telling you i'm not talking about
1:56:30richard mallory there
1:56:32no
1:56:35we're talking about a totally different
1:56:36situation
1:56:40decide to be shotting yeah last time
1:56:42square in the chest
1:56:47when he was coming out of the vehicle
1:56:48that's where it was very
1:56:51obvious to shoot at
1:56:58and you say that here you are a woman
1:57:00who is ravaged and naked right
1:57:05right yes i was naked
1:57:08cord marks around her neck where she's
1:57:10been strangled right
1:57:13right yes
1:57:15bleeding from the anus
1:57:17where you've been raped right
1:57:19yes
1:57:21alcohol advising bottles where this
1:57:23torture took place right
1:57:27there's alcohol
1:57:29drinks down in on the hub what the
1:57:32alcohol sport of your knees
1:57:35oh yes
1:57:36a cord with which you've been tied to
1:57:39the wheel and held by the neck
1:57:45and no one would believe that you've
1:57:46been assaulted
1:57:51the marks on my neck were very small
1:57:53they look like hickeys
1:57:55well how about your anus
1:57:58he said it was bleeding he was ripped
1:58:01it's the way i was
1:58:04i was i was too am i supposed to walk
1:58:07out there nude with a gun in my hand
1:58:09down the road

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