After Raid, Giuliani Literally Goes Nixon: 'I'm Not A Crook!' | The Beat With Ari Melber | MSNBC — Transcript

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1. 0:02DEVELOPMENTS SO I WANT TO THANK
2. 0:04JOAN AND CHRISTINA.
3. 0:04EVERYONE STAY WITH US RIGHT NOW
4. 0:06BECAUSE WERE NOT TAKING A
5. 0:07BREAK, WERE GOING RIG INTO
6. 0:09THIS UPDATE ON THE GIULIANI
7. 0:09PROBE.
8. 0:11FEDS SCOURING HIS PHONES.
9. 0:13THEY OF COURSE HAVE SEARCHED HIS
10. 0:15APARTMENT.
11. 0:16TODAY HE WAS BACK ON HIS RADIO
12. 0:18SHOW QUOTING NONE OTHER THAN
13. 0:19RICHARD NIXON.
14. 0:20>> IM NOT A CROOK.
15. 0:22THEYRE FRAMING ME FOR A VERY
16. 0:24SIMPLE REASON.
17. 0:25IVE GOT THE GOODS ON JOE BIDEN.
18. 0:27IM THE GUY, UNFORTUNATELY, WHO
19. 0:30INDIVIDUALLY EXPOSED JOE BIDEN.
20. 0:32FIRST IN REGARD TO HIS
21. 0:34CROOKEDNESS IN UKRAINE AND THEN
22. 0:35WITH REGARD TO THE -- THE HARD
23. 0:37DRIVE THAT SHOWS THAT HES BEEN
24. 0:39A CRIMINAL FOR 30 YEARS AND THAT
25. 0:41HIS SON HAS BEEN FEEDING HIM THE
26. 0:43MONEY FOR 30 YEARS.
27. 0:45>> RUDY GIULIANI KNOWS HIS WAY
28. 0:47AROUND PUBLIC AND POLITICS AND
29. 0:47HISTORY.
30. 0:48HES GOT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
31. 0:50TO RICHARD NIXON IN THE YEARS
32. 0:52AFTER HE CLAIMED HE WAS NOT A
33. 0:53CROOK.
34. 0:54GIULIANI IS UNDER LEGAL
35. 0:55PRESSURE.
36. 0:56HES GOT AN EVIDENCE-FREE ATTACK
37. 0:58THAT HES ACCUSING THE FEDS OF
38. 1:00COMMITTING A NEW CRIME OF
39. 1:01FRAMING HIM.
40. 1:02HE HASNT SUBSTANTIATED THAT IN
41. 1:03ANY WAY.
42. 1:04IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRESSURE MAY
43. 1:05BE GETTING TO HIM AS HE
44. 1:06CONTINUES TO TALK ON THE RADIO
45. 1:08AND OTHER AIR WAVES.
46. 1:10IM JOINED NOW AS PROMISED, NEAL
47. 1:12KATYAL, FORMER ACTING SOLICITOR
48. 1:13GENERAL.
49. 1:14NEAL, I ALWAYS TRY TO KEEP IT
50. 1:16REAL WITH VIEWERS.
51. 1:17I TRY TO EXPLAIN IF WERE
52. 1:19SEVERAL DAYS INTO A STORY, WHY
53. 1:22ARE WE HERE AGAIN?
54. 1:23SOMETIMES THERES BIG NEW
55. 1:24DEVELOPMENTS AND SOMETIMES
56. 1:25THERES JUST THE WAY PEOPLE ACT.
57. 1:27MR. GIULIANI CANT STOP TALKING.
58. 1:29WHAT I JUST PLAYED IS BRAND NEW.
59. 1:31AND SO HES FEEDING THIS STORY
60. 1:32AND HE SEEMS TO BE FEEDING A
61. 1:35NARRATIVE LEGALLY WHERE HE WANTS
62. 1:36TO SAY THAT HIS OUTSIDE
63. 1:38ACTIVITIES AGAINST THE BIDENS,
64. 1:39AND HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO OPPOSE
65. 1:42THE ELECTION, BUT HIS OUTSIDE
66. 1:44ACTIVITIES MADE HIM A TARGET AND
67. 1:45OTHERWISE HE WOULDNT BE IN THIS
68. 1:46TROUBLE.
69. 1:47YOUR RESPONSE TO THE NIXON
70. 1:48CLAIM, WHICH IS JUST WOW, AND
71. 1:50THAT TYPE OF DEFENSE HES
72. 1:50OFFERING.
73. 1:51>> SO HERES WHY ITS IMPORTANT,
74. 1:53ARI, FOR OUR VIEWERS.
75. 1:55FIRST, IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT RUDY
76. 1:57AND RUDYS TRAJECTORY.
77. 1:58I MEAN THIS IS A GUY WHOS GONE
78. 2:02FROM BEING THE TOP PROSECUTOR IN
79. 2:04NEW YORK TO BEING TREATED AS A
80. 2:06COMMON CRIMINAL AND INVESTIGATED
81. 2:08BY THE VERY OFFICE HE USED TO
82. 2:10RUN.
83. 2:10HIS DEFENSE IS IM NOT A CROOK,
84. 2:12QUOTING NIXON?
85. 2:14THATS NOT PARTICULARLY GOOD.
86. 2:16THE FBI HAS SEIZED TEN OF HIS
87. 2:18DEVICES PURSUANT TO A WARRANT,
88. 2:21PURSUANT TO A FEDERAL JUDGES
89. 2:21ORDER.
90. 2:23THE JUDGE HAD TO CERTIFY THAT
91. 2:25PROBABLE CAUSE EXISTED TO
92. 2:26BELIEVE A CRIME HAD BEEN
93. 2:26COMMITTED.
94. 2:27SO THATS NUMBER ONE.
95. 2:29AND LOOK, BASED ON THE FACT THAT
96. 2:31GIULIANI BLURTED OUT ON NATIONAL
97. 2:33TV THAT TRUMP WAS PAYING OFF
98. 2:36STORMY DANIELS, IM PRETTY SURE
99. 2:37PROSECUTORS WOULD BE HAPPY WITH
100. 2:38ANY ONE OF THE TEN DEVICES, LET
101. 2:40ALONE ALL TEN.
102. 2:41THATS NUMBER ONE, WHAT DOES IT
103. 2:43SAY ABOUT RUDY.
104. 2:44BUT THE SECOND AND MORE
105. 2:45INTERESTING QUESTION IS WHAT
106. 2:46DOES IT SAY ABOUT THE TRUMP
107. 2:47INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE THERES A
108. 2:48LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE
109. 2:50WONDERING, LIKE TRUMP LOOKS LIKE
110. 2:51HE MIGHT GET AWAY WITH THE
111. 2:54STORMY DANIELS STUFF, WITH OTHER
112. 2:56FINANCIAL IMPROPRIETYIESMPROPRIE
113. 2:57JANUARY 6th, WITH WHAT HAPPENED
114. 2:59IN GEORGIA IN TERMS OF ELECTION
115. 3:00PRESSURE, AND UKRAINE AS WELL.
116. 3:03AND HERE NOW YOUVE GOT THE
117. 3:06GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATORS WITH A
118. 3:09CLOSE CONFIDANT OF THE PRESIDENT
119. 3:12AND POTENTIALLY VERY SERIOUS
120. 3:13CRIMES THAT RUDY GIULIANI HAS
121. 3:14COMMITTED.
122. 3:15RUDY ISNT EXACTLY THE MOST
123. 3:16LOYAL PERSON.
124. 3:17SO I THINK IF YOURE DONALD
125. 3:19TRUMP, YOURE WORRIED RIGHT NOW
126. 3:21ABOUT WHAT GIULIANI KNOWS AND
127. 3:23WHAT HES GOING TO SAY IN
128. 3:24EXCHANGE FOR A DEAL.
129. 3:25>> YEAH.
130. 3:26I THINK THAT ALL MAKES SENSE.
131. 3:29AND WHETHER GIULIANI IS USING
132. 3:30THE AIR WAVES AND HE HAS HIS
133. 3:32REGULAR RADIO SHOW, OF COURSE HE
134. 3:34CAN DISCUSS WHAT HE WANTS ON IT.
135. 3:35WHETHER HES USING THAT AND
136. 3:36OTHER INTERVIEWS TO SIGNAL
137. 3:37SOMETHING TO DONALD TRUMP AND
138. 3:39THEY REMAIN FIGHTING OVER
139. 3:40ALLEGEDLY LEGAL FEES AND OTHER
140. 3:42THINGS IS ALSO A POSSIBILITY.
141. 3:43WEVE CERTAINLY SEEN OTHER
142. 3:44PEOPLE IN THE TRUMP ORBIT DO
143. 3:45THAT.
144. 3:46IT APPARENTLY WORKS BETTER THAN
145. 3:48CALLING HIM DIRECTLY, SO WEVE
146. 3:49BEEN TOLD.
147. 3:50WITH THAT IN MIND, THOUGH,
148. 3:53GIULIANI WASNT MAKING, I WOULD
149. 3:55SAY, GREAT LINEAR SENSE IN THIS
150. 3:57NEXT PASSAGE IM GOING TO PLAY.
151. 3:59THIS IS AIRING ON MSNBC FOR THE
152. 4:00FIRST TIME.
153. 4:01ITS BRAND NEW FROM THE RADIO
154. 4:04SHOW AS GIULIANI DISCUSSES HOW
155. 4:05THE FEDS WANT TO GET HIM AND A
156. 4:07LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS COME UP.
157. 4:08SEE IF YOU CAN FOLLOW THIS,
158. 4:09NEAL.
159. 4:10>>> ARE WE A STUPID PEOPLE?
160. 4:14WHY, WHY WOULD THE CHINESE
161. 4:16COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT INVEST OVER
162. 4:19A BILLION DOLLARS IN AN
163. 4:22INVESTMENT FUND WITH WHITEY
164. 4:25BULGERS NEPHEW, HUNTER BIDEN,
165. 4:28AND JOHN KERRYS STEPSON.
166. 4:30DOES IT TAKE THAT MUCH TO FIGURE
167. 4:32IT OUT AND CAN YOU NOW FIGURE
168. 4:34OUT WHY CHINA PUT ME IN JAIL?
169. 4:36BECAUSE IM WILLING TO SAY THAT.
170. 4:37>> NEAL?
171. 4:39>> WELL, I DONT HAVE A DEGREE
172. 4:43IN RUDYESE OR WHATEVER THAT
173. 4:44LANGUAGE IS.
174. 4:45I CANT MAKE TOO MUCH HEADS OR
175. 4:47TAILS ABOUT IT.
176. 4:49IF IM DONALD TRUMP, THE LAST
177. 4:50THING I WANT GIULIANI TO MENTION
178. 4:52IS WHITEY BULGER.
179. 4:54WHITEY BULGER WAS AN FBI
180. 4:56INFORMANT WHO TURNED ON THE MOB.
181. 4:58THAT CANT BE GOOD COMFORT FOR
182. 4:59TRUMP RIGHT NOW.
183. 5:01AND GIULIANI MENTIONED IT I
184. 5:03THINK BECAUSE HES SAYING HUNTER
185. 5:04BIDEN WORKED AT A FIRM WITH
186. 5:06BULGERS NEPHEW OR SOMETHING
187. 5:07LIKE THAT.
188. 5:08AND IF IM RUDY GIULIANI, THE
189. 5:10LAST GAME I WANT TO BE PLAYING
190. 5:13RIGHT NOW IS GUILT BY
191. 5:14ASSOCIATION SINCE RUDY HAS
192. 5:16ENCOUNTERED MORE CRIMINALS IN
193. 5:17THE LAST FOUR YEARS THAN I THINK
194. 5:19HE HAS IN HIS ENTIRE
195. 5:21PROSECUTORIAL CAREER.
196. 5:22BUT I THINK ALL OF THIS IS
197. 5:24GETTING BUNDLED INTO THIS WHOLE
198. 5:25QUESTION GIULIANI, AND I THINK
199. 5:28THIS IS WHY HES DOING THESE
200. 5:30INTERVIEWS ON TV AND RADIO, HES
201. 5:31TRYING TO GET DONALD TRUMP TO
202. 5:32PAY HIS LEGAL BILLS.
203. 5:34CALL ME A SKEPTIC WITH ALL DUE
204. 5:36DEFERENCE TO AMERICAS MAYOR
205. 5:37HERE, DONALD TRUMP DOESNT PAY
206. 5:38HIS OWN LEGAL BILLS.
207. 5:40YOU THINK HES REALLY GOING TO
208. 5:41PAY SOMEONE ELSES?
209. 5:41>> RIGHT.
210. 5:42>> AS THEY SAY, CRIME DOESNT
211. 5:45PAY, AND APPARENTLY NEITHER DO
212. 5:46CRIMINALS.
213. 5:47GIVEN THE QUALITY OF RUDYS WORK
214. 5:50PRODUCT FROM FOUR SEASONS
215. 5:51LANDSCAPING TO WHAT HE DID WITH
216. 5:53STORMY DANIELS TO HIS ELECTION
217. 5:55FILINGS OVER THE FALL IN COURT,
218. 5:57I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF
219. 5:58DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY RELEASES A
220. 6:01STATEMENT DEMANDING PAYMENT FROM
221. 6:02GIULIANI.
222. 6:03>> WELL, THIS IS A FAIR POINT
223. 6:05AND THIS ISNT EVEN SUPREME
224. 6:08COURT, KATYAL, THIS IS JUST
225. 6:10COMMON SENSE KATYAL.
226. 6:11IF YOU WATCH SOMEONE DINE AND
227. 6:13DASH AND SKIP OUT ON THEIR OWN
228. 6:15DINNER BILL A BUNCH OF TIMES,
229. 6:16THATS NOT THE PERSON THATS
230. 6:17GOING TO TAKE YOU OUT FOR DINNER
231. 6:19AND ACTUALLY PAY THE BILL.
232. 6:20I THINK THATS FAIR.
233. 6:23WE WILL CALL THAT COMMON SENSE
234. 6:24KATYAL.
235. 6:25WEVE GOT THIS INFORMATION THAT
236. 6:27SINCE OCTOBER 19 THE FEDS HAVE
237. 6:29BEEN LOOKING AT WHATEVER
238. 6:30GIULIANI WAS TRYING TO DO ON
239. 6:31BEHALF OF THESE POTENTIALLY
240. 6:33FOREIGN NATIONALS OR FOREIGN
241. 6:34GOVERNMENTS.
242. 6:35"THE DAILY BEAST" REPORTS THIS
243. 6:39EX-UKRAINIAN OFFICIAL NEEDSED A
244. 6:40VISA.
245. 6:41ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI SAYS FROM
246. 6:44VISAS OR BEYOND, HE SEES
247. 6:46GIULIANI FLIPPING.
248. 6:47>> YOU THINK RUDY GIULIANI WILL
249. 6:49TURN ON TRUMP?
250. 6:51>> 100%, YEAH.
251. 6:53MY FRIEND, MICHAEL COHEN, SAID
252. 6:54HE WOULD TAKE A BULLET FOR THE
253. 6:55PRESIDENT.
254. 6:56BUT WHEN PUSH CAME TO SHOVE AND
255. 6:58IT WAS ABOUT HIS FAMILY AND HES
256. 7:00GOT A PRIORITY TO THAT, I THINK
257. 7:02THAT THE MAYOR HAS SAID IT.
258. 7:05LOOK, IVE GOT INSURANCE.
259. 7:06>> IT IS TRUE THE MAYOR MADE
260. 7:08THAT REFERENCE TO INSURANCE AND
261. 7:10THEN SORT OF WALKED IT BACK.
262. 7:11EVERYTHING IN THAT LANDSCAPE
263. 7:12SOMETIMES IS A JOKE.
264. 7:13BUT NEAL, IM CURIOUS WHAT YOU
265. 7:15THINK SPECIFICALLY THE REPORTING
266. 7:16ON THE VISA.
267. 7:17WEVE TALKED ABOUT A LOT THATS
268. 7:19BAD FOR GIULIANI.
269. 7:20THERE ARE THOSE THAT SAY IF THE
270. 7:22CASE TURNS ON OR IS PRIMARILY
271. 7:24ABOUT A CITIZENS NEED FOR A
272. 7:27VISA, THAT MAY SOMEHOW PROVIDE A
273. 7:29LEGAL HELP OR DEFENSE FOR HIM IF
274. 7:31HES NOT WORKING DIRECTLY ON
275. 7:32BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF
276. 7:33UKRAINE AT LARGE.
277. 7:33>> YES.
278. 7:35SO FAR I HAVENT SEEN THE
279. 7:36DEFENSE, I THINK, STORY.
280. 7:38I DONT THINK WHAT RUDY HAS SAID
281. 7:39IS MUCH OF A DEFENSE.
282. 7:41THERES NOTHING WRONG IF YOURE
283. 7:42A U.S. CITIZEN WITH WORKING FOR
284. 7:44A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.
285. 7:45YOU JUST HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT AND
286. 7:47THATS AN IMPORTANT THING.
287. 7:49THATS PART OF A VERY IMPORTANT
288. 7:51LAW THATS ENACTED TO PREVENT
289. 7:54BASICALLY FOREIGN INFLUENCE IN
290. 7:55OUR GOVERNMENT.
291. 7:56AND THE IDEA THAT THIS GUY WHO
292. 7:59WANTED THE VISA, WHO WAS A
293. 8:02PROSECUTOR, IS ACTING
294. 8:03INDEPENDENTLY OF THE GOVERNMENT,
295. 8:04I GUESS THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.
296. 8:06BUT AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE
297. 8:09REPORTING, IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE
298. 8:12WAS MORE GOVERNMENTAL, UKRAINIAN
299. 8:13GOVERNMENT INTEREST IN THIS
300. 8:14OFFICIAL VISIT IN THE UNITED
301. 8:15STATES.
302. 8:16IT WASNT JUST THE GUY COMING TO
303. 8:17BRING HIS KIDS TO DISNEY OR
304. 8:18SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
305. 8:19AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT
306. 8:21THERE IS A REAL CONCERN HERE.
307. 8:23IT LOOKS LIKE GIULIANI WAS SO
308. 8:27EAGER TO PLEASE THIS GUY,
309. 8:29SHOKIN, BECAUSE HE WAS WIDELY
310. 8:31VIEWED AS AN EFFECTIVE ADVOCATE
311. 8:32FOR A CORRUPT REGIME.
312. 8:33AND SO THATS WHY THE
313. 8:35AMBASSADOR -- OR THE U.S.
314. 8:37AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH TRIED TO
315. 8:39PREVENT THAT VISA AND
316. 8:40UNFORTUNATELY SHE WAS FIRED.
317. 8:41ALL PART OF A REALLY NEFARIOUS
318. 8:43THING WHICH THE FEDS WILL
319. 8:44INVESTIGATE AND GET TO THE
320. 8:45BOTTOM OF NOW.
321. 8:47>> AND AS YOU EXPLAIN, A VISA
322. 8:49COULD SOUND SMALL, IF ITS A
323. 8:51WORK VISA, MARRIAGE VISA OVER
324. 8:53HERE, OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING
325. 8:54VERY BIG IF AS YOU SAY THERES A
326. 8:57WHOLE COUNTRY BEHIND IT THAT HAS
327. 8:58GOT OTHER FOREIGN POLICY
328. 8:59INTERESTS WITH THE U.S.
329. 9:00SO VISA AS A TERM MIGHT BE
330. 9:02MISLEADING HERE.
331. 9:02IF THERE ARE CHARGES, THATS THE
332. 9:04KIND OF THING I WOULD EXPECT TO
333. 9:06BE LITIGATED OUT.
334. 9:07NEAL, ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE YOU
335. 9:08HERE AT THE TOP OF OUR
336. 9:09BROADCAST.