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  1. 0:00was good yeah well it's wonderful to
  2. 0:02meet you thank you for taking a minute
  3. 0:03out today thanks for having me yeah so
  4. 0:07I'm looking forward to getting into your
  5. 0:08work and the awareness that you're
  6. 0:10putting out into the world before we do
  7. 0:12that I want to ask you this one of the
  8. 0:14more momentous things that we went
  9. 0:16through In Our Lifetime was this
  10. 0:17pandemic four and a half years ago and
  11. 0:19it created so much of a shift and change
  12. 0:22in all of us how much of living through
  13. 0:24that time period has affected the work
  14. 0:27and what you're doing right now with
  15. 0:28your life
  16. 0:30um it's actually affected my business
  17. 0:32greatly
  18. 0:34I start I've completely restructured my
  19. 0:38my business basically so I started off
  20. 0:40in
  21. 0:412019 and then at the end of 2020 I
  22. 0:44decided to open a
  23. 0:46shop bricks and mortar shop so I ran an
  24. 0:49online uh plastic free zero waste shop
  25. 0:52so everything was reusable
  26. 0:54refillable um plastic free alternatives
  27. 0:57to everyday items like toothbrushes
  28. 1:00bamboo toothbrushes toothpaste tabs um
  29. 1:03items for your kitchen toilet brush
  30. 1:05wooden toilet brushes that kind of thing
  31. 1:07so among that was some period products
  32. 1:10as well reusable period products
  33. 1:12so uh I discovered in May last year
  34. 1:17that the bricks and mortar retail just
  35. 1:21wasn't for me so I have completely
  36. 1:24restructured my business again um since
  37. 1:272019 I used to give talks and workshops
  38. 1:30you know so over the past five six years
  39. 1:32I've given talks and workshops with
  40. 1:34local libraries um Trinity College in
  41. 1:37Dublin um and I realized in May last
  42. 1:42year that talks are what I want to do I
  43. 1:46find that it's great selling people or
  44. 1:49having these items alternative items
  45. 1:51that people can buy
  46. 1:53but I prefer to actually I feel like I
  47. 1:58can achieve more by
  48. 2:00talking about them and one of the areas
  49. 2:03that I'm really passionate about is um
  50. 2:05periods and the whole stigma surrounding
  51. 2:08periods um and I still do sell the
  52. 2:10period products but that's all I sell
  53. 2:12now yeah um yeah so I've completely
  54. 2:17changed model so so I'm curious with
  55. 2:21this change has it saved a lot of money
  56. 2:24a lot of resources has it allowed you to
  57. 2:26kind of reallocate what you were doing
  58. 2:28before in a different direction
  59. 2:31um yeah it's def I don't know if I've
  60. 2:33saved money certainly like I don't have
  61. 2:36to worry about buying as much stock in
  62. 2:37anymore um I don't have to worry about
  63. 2:39that stock selling because the talks and
  64. 2:42workshops kind of are my main focus and
  65. 2:44then I have the small amount of stock
  66. 2:47there on the website that people can
  67. 2:49access
  68. 2:51um but yeah so I'm working with like the
  69. 2:54local Council here and we are providing
  70. 2:57we're doing some talks and through those
  71. 3:00talks with the local libraries we are
  72. 3:03supplying students in schools here in
  73. 3:05Waterford with free reusable cloth pads
  74. 3:08yeah so we're helping to kind of bridge
  75. 3:11the the period poverty Gap that's there
  76. 3:14as well unfortunately for such a rich
  77. 3:16country Ireland
  78. 3:18is really bad in terms of period poverty
  79. 3:21and even hygiene poverty is a huge issue
  80. 3:23for a lot of people um specifically
  81. 3:26since covid and the cost of living
  82. 3:28crisis which is hit the entire world I
  83. 3:32suppose
  84. 3:33um yeah so I'm you know the one thing
  85. 3:37I've read some books about African
  86. 3:40villages where they're trying to get
  87. 3:42water and they're trying to get basic
  88. 3:44necessities to live and you know the
  89. 3:47girls can't go to school because of
  90. 3:49hygiene issues and I just you know being
  91. 3:51a male and not being in that environment
  92. 3:54it just didn't dawn on me but it's so
  93. 3:56essential for everything you know for
  94. 4:00for these kids because if they can't I
  95. 4:02mean that's why there's so many girls in
  96. 4:04Africa that aren't educated because they
  97. 4:06they literally can't go to
  98. 4:08school yeah um and one of the companies
  99. 4:11that I work with uh they're called eim
  100. 4:13so they make all the cloth pads that I
  101. 4:17stock um and I've been working with them
  102. 4:19for the past five years and I love their
  103. 4:21product because what they do they have
  104. 4:23like a pad for pad program so when I
  105. 4:25buy the pads from them I pay uh pad for-
  106. 4:30pad contribution and they use that
  107. 4:32contribution
  108. 4:34to um excuse me they use that
  109. 4:38contribution to supply young women in
  110. 4:40rural India with free cloth pads and
  111. 4:43they through their educational programs
  112. 4:45so they run programs on Breaking the
  113. 4:48stigmatism um surrounding periods
  114. 4:51teaching the girls proper hygiene the
  115. 4:53cloth pads are relatively easy to use
  116. 4:55because not a lot of the girls would
  117. 4:57have access to the facilities that we
  118. 4:58would like running water that kind of
  119. 5:00thing so um and like that similar in
  120. 5:05many cultures you know periods are seen
  121. 5:07as as dirty and that girls should be
  122. 5:09ashamed of them some women aren't even
  123. 5:11allowed to leave the house um they're
  124. 5:14hidden away for like the three or five
  125. 5:16days every month um but it's also a
  126. 5:20thing here in Ireland so there was a
  127. 5:22study done in 2018 and this study 1100
  128. 5:26girls um were surveyed and the study
  129. 5:29found that
  130. 5:3250% um between the ages of 12 and 19
  131. 5:35find it difficult to pay for Sanitary
  132. 5:37products 61% have missed school as a
  133. 5:40result of having their period um 55%
  134. 5:42were embarrassed by their period um and
  135. 5:46about
  136. 5:4710% were using
  137. 5:51um not like alternatives to Sri products
  138. 5:56to Menor products um not
  139. 6:00necessarily the best Alternatives so but
  140. 6:03like a lot of 61% of girls missing
  141. 6:06school because they had the period and
  142. 6:07probably because they just didn't have
  143. 6:10access to the products needed um and
  144. 6:14there's a great initiative here so it's
  145. 6:16like it's even in rich
  146. 6:19countries there is this issue and is
  147. 6:22Ireland kind of also has
  148. 6:24this Catholic guilt which is instilled
  149. 6:29it's it's just it's so deeply ingrained
  150. 6:33in Irish culture um it's definitely
  151. 6:36changing now but certainly like in my
  152. 6:38parents Generation Um my mom's 75 now
  153. 6:42like in her
  154. 6:43day it just wasn't talked about yeah you
  155. 6:46know I mean and this is something that
  156. 6:4751% of the entire population on the
  157. 6:49planet will experience yeah at some
  158. 6:52stage throughout their life and it's
  159. 6:55just yeah there's so much like
  160. 7:00education yeah that's needed um vital
  161. 7:04education um the government introduced
  162. 7:07products here like free products here
  163. 7:10free period products through the librar
  164. 7:13so you can go into any public library
  165. 7:15and you can get as much take as much as
  166. 7:18you want okay or as much as you need um
  167. 7:21but they're all disposables so I did a
  168. 7:24talk in Trinity College in Dublin and
  169. 7:26the students were saying that they got a
  170. 7:27grant and they were working with a small
  171. 7:30company in Cork um and this company were
  172. 7:34supplying organic cotton tampons and
  173. 7:36pads but then the funding ran out
  174. 7:39so those students no longer had access
  175. 7:42to these period products um whereas if
  176. 7:45they were all
  177. 7:46reusables that were supplied they'd
  178. 7:49still be using them and they would still
  179. 7:50have them because they can last for up
  180. 7:52to five years
  181. 7:53so um not only is there the
  182. 7:56environmental aspect but it can also
  183. 7:57save you money in the long run so
  184. 8:00I'm working with the council here in
  185. 8:02Waterford the city council and the
  186. 8:04County Council um and uh initiative
  187. 8:08called healthy Ireland um so we're
  188. 8:12basically their buying kits and I'm
  189. 8:15supplying the students and doing the
  190. 8:17talks so with the reusable period
  191. 8:19products so I don't think there's
  192. 8:21anywhere else in Ireland that's doing
  193. 8:24that yet
  194. 8:27yeah yeah
  195. 8:30so let me go back in your life to when
  196. 8:32you were a kid what was your dream what
  197. 8:35did you want to be when you grew up I
  198. 8:37wanted to be an actress
  199. 8:39okay and I my background I went to
  200. 8:43college and I studied Film Production
  201. 8:44and editing um I am an apple certified
  202. 8:47video
  203. 8:49editor um and I ran my own video
  204. 8:54production company
  205. 8:56for um from 200
  206. 9:00and eight
  207. 9:02until until my son was born
  208. 9:052015 um yeah so my background is so what
  209. 9:09I'm doing now is completely different to
  210. 9:11what I did back then um but it stood to
  211. 9:15me because I basically I generate my own
  212. 9:17content
  213. 9:18and you know the editing skills have
  214. 9:20come in really handy so yeah but yeah
  215. 9:23I've done like where I am now is nowhere
  216. 9:27near and obviously I still haven't
  217. 9:30got the whole acting thing off the
  218. 9:32ground so so let me ask you this take me
  219. 9:35back to your childhood what were the
  220. 9:36seeds that were planted into you that
  221. 9:39have have grown into you being an
  222. 9:41activist and and and and providing
  223. 9:43awareness to the public and how did you
  224. 9:46make this turn from from acting and film
  225. 9:49into this Pursuit now honestly it it
  226. 9:54didn't really start until I was pregnant
  227. 9:55with my son and I was researching like
  228. 9:59like cloth nappies and using cloth
  229. 10:01nappies um that's when it really started
  230. 10:05I was like wow there's a lot of waste
  231. 10:07generated by just one child um and then
  232. 10:11we just started using making small
  233. 10:13little changes in our lives over the
  234. 10:16years and then in 2019 I decided to just
  235. 10:18bite the bullet but in terms of growing
  236. 10:21up
  237. 10:22like I mean recycling back in Ireland in
  238. 10:26the 90s just wasn't really a thing um
  239. 10:31I didn't really become environmentally
  240. 10:34aware until
  241. 10:37probably I was in college I would say um
  242. 10:41and I actually did went over to the
  243. 10:42States on like a J1 student visa for the
  244. 10:45summer so things are just really
  245. 10:48different over there I was in New Jersey
  246. 10:52um yeah but Ireland like I think since
  247. 10:57we joined the EU things a lot of things
  248. 10:58have changed
  249. 11:00obviously um but also I like I don't
  250. 11:02think recycling is the answer either but
  251. 11:05not so much my childhood it was more
  252. 11:08kind of as an adult I suppose yeah um I
  253. 11:13really started when I was pregnant on my
  254. 11:15son I really
  255. 11:16started reading more on like the
  256. 11:19environmental impacts and obviously you
  257. 11:22know you're you're bringing a tiny
  258. 11:25person into the world you want to kind
  259. 11:26of I suppose I took more interest in
  260. 11:29kind of a world I was bringing him into
  261. 11:31yeah um yeah well I guess kind of thing
  262. 11:35I didn't even think about when I grew up
  263. 11:37compared to what my kids come home from
  264. 11:38school telling me you know and the stuff
  265. 11:40that they're learning
  266. 11:43um Ireland's definitely come a long way
  267. 11:46you know since my day in school um yeah
  268. 11:50it it it almost seems like what you're
  269. 11:52doing is kind of that model of like
  270. 11:54subscription based kind of like Netflix
  271. 11:56model like it's all everything adds up
  272. 12:00and when I think about it it's like what
  273. 12:02you're talking about you on your end was
  274. 12:04you're going to try to eliminate that
  275. 12:06waste and if people would just adopt
  276. 12:07that into a few areas of their lives
  277. 12:10there would be a very massive impact but
  278. 12:13it's just going to take those little
  279. 12:14things and I think sometimes people
  280. 12:16think well what am I going to do I'm
  281. 12:17just one person but that's the point
  282. 12:20right I mean everybody can do something
  283. 12:23together and collectively it can become
  284. 12:24a
  285. 12:25movement that's is I mean with this a
  286. 12:28quot it's like oh it's just one straw 8
  287. 12:31billion people you know I mean
  288. 12:35even H I can't think of the stats now
  289. 12:38but
  290. 12:40like there is I mean the
  291. 12:45average baby so the average birth rate
  292. 12:48in Ireland every year is 45,000 okay so
  293. 12:51if every one of those parents even used
  294. 12:54one cloth nappy a day when you knew that
  295. 12:55you were going to be
  296. 12:57home and you knew you weren't going to
  297. 12:59leave the house so if there was any
  298. 13:00accidents or leaks or anything you know
  299. 13:02you'd be home you could change the child
  300. 13:04whatever um but like one cloth nappy a
  301. 13:09day 365 days times
  302. 13:1245,000 that is a consider considerable
  303. 13:16amount of disposable nappies yeah that
  304. 13:19aren't going into landfill do you know
  305. 13:21what I mean that is just like
  306. 13:23one nappy a day yeah um and the same
  307. 13:27with like the cloth pads
  308. 13:29I mean they have the potential to um
  309. 13:34sorry Joe give me one second now yeah no
  310. 13:36worries
  311. 13:38um I'm going to give you the actual
  312. 13:40stats sure um that I have here so sorry
  313. 13:46I just have to bring it no you're fine
  314. 13:49um how am I doing so far this is my
  315. 13:51first podcast oh wow no you're doing
  316. 13:53wonderful this is excellent okay I your
  317. 13:57questions okay I tend to Waffle a bit no
  318. 13:59you're fine that's good what you're
  319. 14:00doing in that process is kind of
  320. 14:02knocking down all these little dominoes
  321. 14:04that I'm putting in a little racetrack
  322. 14:06so it's like if if I don't get to that
  323. 14:08question it's because you knocked it
  324. 14:09down early on so it's good okay oh good
  325. 14:11okay um yeah so the 120 kits that I've
  326. 14:17distributed to students through my talk
  327. 14:20so far have the potential to save 39,000
  328. 14:24disposables wow ending up in landfills
  329. 14:27and waterways and it in turn save
  330. 14:30families 78,000 Euro over the next five
  331. 14:33years and that's only
  332. 14:35120 kids yeah yeah um 120 girls and
  333. 14:40people so you know and that's just one
  334. 14:44class in one school or like four
  335. 14:47different schools four different classes
  336. 14:49of 30 kids
  337. 14:51it's that's the impact that such a small
  338. 14:55number can have so you can imagine I
  339. 14:57mean there's 5,000 students Al together
  340. 15:00in Watford schools primary and secondary
  341. 15:03schools so you can imagine the impact of
  342. 15:065,000 of those kits could have
  343. 15:08absolutely the amount of money that it
  344. 15:10would save and that like it would
  345. 15:12save the companies and the councils and
  346. 15:16the country money as well because
  347. 15:19obviously they're getting hiring
  348. 15:22engineer firms to try and fix the issues
  349. 15:25with the old Waterway systems um and
  350. 15:28improve them um and a lot of those
  351. 15:30issues are coming from disposables yeah
  352. 15:34being flushed whether it's cloth white
  353. 15:36or wipes people cut up nappies and flush
  354. 15:41nappies um because they don't want to
  355. 15:43pay in
  356. 15:45charges um you know obviously a lot of
  357. 15:48um period products are in there as well
  358. 15:51so there's a lot of stuff being flushed
  359. 15:53that shouldn't be flushed yeah um so
  360. 15:56yeah it just has the like it's just a
  361. 15:58no-brainer to me
  362. 16:00um I just don't know why it's
  363. 16:04not why it hasn't snowballed I supp yes
  364. 16:09well we're going to do our little part
  365. 16:10here and and you're doing a big part
  366. 16:12with the work you're doing so who's you
  367. 16:14know in any Pursuit that we do in life
  368. 16:16there's always an inspirational figure
  369. 16:18kind of a hero that's there who is that
  370. 16:20for you in your
  371. 16:24work do you have one no okay none that I
  372. 16:29can think of really like
  373. 16:33there's oh God that's a really hard
  374. 16:35question
  375. 16:37because I can't just pinpoint like one
  376. 16:40person well how about
  377. 16:42this how about this if is there anyone
  378. 16:45out there in the world of activism or
  379. 16:48getting doing something that's going to
  380. 16:50globally be um beneficial to all of us
  381. 16:53that you would like to meet to see how
  382. 16:55they do to just have a portal into how
  383. 16:57they work that may benefit you um I
  384. 17:01think Greta thunberg
  385. 17:04has like just really brought um I'd love
  386. 17:10to meet her she's an amazing young woman
  387. 17:13um and I think that she has really
  388. 17:15brought really Shone a light
  389. 17:18on the state of the world yeah I I know
  390. 17:22a lot of people give out about the just
  391. 17:24stop oil activists but yes some of the
  392. 17:28stuff is Extreme but I mean if we keep
  393. 17:32going the way we're going obviously
  394. 17:34there is no such thing as art on a dead
  395. 17:37planet
  396. 17:39um I don't actually know any names of
  397. 17:41Who's involved in just upop oil but um I
  398. 17:45understand some people are like oh
  399. 17:46they're interrupting you know
  400. 17:49performances on stage and on Broadway
  401. 17:52and it's like well you
  402. 17:55know I get it yeah but also I think
  403. 17:58people need escapism as well um so Greta
  404. 18:02is kind of
  405. 18:03bringing a bit more awareness without
  406. 18:06being as disruptive I suppose yeah I
  407. 18:10agree yeah no I AG yeah no I think she's
  408. 18:13doing wonderful work and and so I'm
  409. 18:16curious with what you're doing you're
  410. 18:18dealing with something heavy you're
  411. 18:19giving of yourself you didn't get into
  412. 18:20this line of work to make a lot of money
  413. 18:23and to do things right I mean you're
  414. 18:25you're you're out there trying to help
  415. 18:27people make an impact so I'm curious how
  416. 18:30do you what what gets you up every day
  417. 18:32what motivates you to do this work and
  418. 18:34also you have to evolve as a human being
  419. 18:36what is that Collective energy for you
  420. 18:37every day to do this work for me every
  421. 18:41day I'll be honest it's not always easy
  422. 18:43getting up in the mornings
  423. 18:46um but one of the things that has really
  424. 18:49kind of driven me since I started doing
  425. 18:51these talks is uh the feedback that I've
  426. 18:53been getting from the students so I
  427. 18:54Supply them with like a a questionnaire
  428. 18:58and and they answer the questions
  429. 19:00basically how do they feel coming into
  430. 19:02the workshop how do they feel after the
  431. 19:04workshop do they feel that their
  432. 19:06confidence levels in discussing periods
  433. 19:08has improved that kind of thing um and
  434. 19:10the
  435. 19:11statistics that I have um are kind of
  436. 19:15speaking for themselves which is great
  437. 19:18um so I've essentially spoken to about
  438. 19:21208 girls so far
  439. 19:24um and like 45% felt nervous or
  440. 19:28embarrassed coming in 33% were curious
  441. 19:31or excited 20% felt fine um and then
  442. 19:35after the
  443. 19:36workshop you know like 59% are feeling
  444. 19:40more confident slightly more confident
  445. 19:42and informed 62% F that their confident
  446. 19:45levels in discussing periods had
  447. 19:47increased um and 31% kind of felt the
  448. 19:50same as before
  449. 19:52so I'm seeing the and it's only a small
  450. 19:56amount of students but
  451. 19:59I'm
  452. 20:00seeing the numbers um so that's actually
  453. 20:03giv me a boost and then I get all these
  454. 20:06they can write their own feedback and
  455. 20:08comments at the end of the fors um
  456. 20:11they're not always pretty but the vast
  457. 20:12majority of them are really really nice
  458. 20:15um and yeah it just talking to them and
  459. 20:19hearing their stories and seeing them
  460. 20:22opening up as the talks
  461. 20:24progress um and it's only like an hour
  462. 20:27yeah um
  463. 20:29seeing the impact that it's having is is
  464. 20:32amazing yeah um yeah so it's
  465. 20:35definitely it's the only reason I get
  466. 20:37out of bed because let's be honest I'm
  467. 20:39not really making a lot of money from it
  468. 20:41but right I'm probably like the worst
  469. 20:43businesswoman in the world but that's
  470. 20:44not why I'm doing it and it would be
  471. 20:47lovely to make a career out of it a paid
  472. 20:49career out of it but um that's what I'm
  473. 20:53trying to do but obviously it'll be a
  474. 20:56while before I get there but certainly
  475. 20:58the feedback that's coming back from the
  476. 21:00talks that I'm doing um and from the
  477. 21:03teachers as well is definitely what's
  478. 21:07keeping me going on like the hardest
  479. 21:09days so so at the end of the day when
  480. 21:12you look at the Arc of what you've done
  481. 21:13in your career in your life up to this
  482. 21:15point what are you the proudest
  483. 21:17of um my kids of
  484. 21:22course um yeah you know they're seven
  485. 21:26and
  486. 21:27nine they're a lot more cluing than I
  487. 21:29was at that age um you know I definitely
  488. 21:33think the tide is changing um they're
  489. 21:36learning a lot more in school with
  490. 21:38regards to the environment and stuff
  491. 21:39like that and some of the stuff that
  492. 21:40they're coming out with I mean it's
  493. 21:42common sense and it's it makes me proud
  494. 21:45because I mean I know so many adults
  495. 21:50that even refuse to think that way do
  496. 21:52you know what I
  497. 21:53mean and it's pretty much just
  498. 21:56unlearning what we've been brought up up
  499. 21:58to believe um but there's a lot of
  500. 22:01people out there who just refuse to even
  501. 22:03take that into account or to refuse to
  502. 22:07unlearn what they grew up knowing
  503. 22:10um yeah so I I I it might sound like a
  504. 22:15bit of a cliche but my kids they do
  505. 22:17teach you a lot yeah for sure especially
  506. 22:21to be humble yeah they certainly do so
  507. 22:25at the end of the day is the face of
  508. 22:26this movement everyone has a perception
  509. 22:28of you family friends everyone that
  510. 22:31hears you speak everyone that gets
  511. 22:34involved with your mission but you run
  512. 22:36the show what's your perception of you
  513. 22:38who Do You Think You
  514. 22:40Are God that's another hard
  515. 22:44question
  516. 22:51I'm I don't know Irish people aren't
  517. 22:53very good at self-praise um I got yeah
  518. 22:59um
  519. 23:01I yeah I I think what I bring to the
  520. 23:04talks
  521. 23:05is
  522. 23:07um I'm not really one
  523. 23:10for big words I prefer Simplicity
  524. 23:14um and I think
  525. 23:17being um showing the some confidence in
  526. 23:21in that I know what I'm talking about
  527. 23:23but also like being
  528. 23:25approachable
  529. 23:27um is really important especially with
  530. 23:29the the students and the girls and
  531. 23:31getting them to open up and asking their
  532. 23:32questions
  533. 23:34so it is nice knowing that they can
  534. 23:38approach me after the the talk if they
  535. 23:41want their questions answered and that
  536. 23:42they can ask those questions and that
  537. 23:45they feel safe with me to ask those
  538. 23:46questions and confident um so yeah I
  539. 23:52think I think my openness and my ability
  540. 23:55to talk to them as grown-ups as well is
  541. 23:59uh definitely helps um and that would be
  542. 24:01one of my strengths it's supp
  543. 24:02Communication open
  544. 24:04communication yeah but I think that's
  545. 24:06the most important thing for everyone
  546. 24:08isn't it yeah yeah so if anyone wants to
  547. 24:11get involved you've done a wonderful job
  548. 24:13of kind of orchestrating a good overview
  549. 24:15if anyone out there wants to help get
  550. 24:17involved has questions Reach Out catch
  551. 24:20you live speaking how can they do that
  552. 24:23they can head to my website y.
  553. 24:29um I have a bit of information there I
  554. 24:32am working on getting a bit of corporate
  555. 24:36funding um and getting some local
  556. 24:38corporations to sponsor kits
  557. 24:41for students in Irish schools
  558. 24:45um yeah so they can reach me on the
  559. 24:48website or I'm on Instagram and Tik Tok
  560. 24:51set up a
  561. 24:52substack I'm looking to get away from
  562. 24:54meta AIT but honestly I how so I have
  563. 24:58Haven even looked at sub stack yet
  564. 25:01so cool I get it I totally get it yeah
  565. 25:04this is great I know how it works so
  566. 25:06don't follow on substack but uh conf
  567. 25:08find me on Tik
  568. 25:10Tok I will put links in the show notes
  569. 25:12to all of this Amy you did wonderful
  570. 25:13thank you so much for your message your
  571. 25:15story best of luck I appreciate it thank
  572. 25:18you so much

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