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0:02That's a $68,000 floor, and you're
0:03going to throw a chair on it?
0:04Tonight--
0:05Kelly has never lied to me.
0:07I can't say the same for Melissa.
0:08JEFF COLLINS (VOICEOVER): --for the very first time--
0:10I think Kelly speaks her mind.
0:11And when she does, watch out.
0:13JEFF COLLINS (VOICEOVER): --the women of "Dance Moms" reunite.
0:15I don't need her to tell me I'm a bitch.
0:17I already know I am. - Right.
0:18JEFF COLLINS (VOICEOVER): It's a two-part "Dance Moms" reunion.
0:20Hold on, hold on, hold on.
0:22I swear on my children's life.
0:23I swear on my mother's grave.
0:24Knock it off.
0:25I'm not done, so close your mouth.
0:27I did not say that.
0:28Go back and watch that clip.
0:29Cuckoo.
0:30I just hope I can survive.
0:32THEME SONG: Living on the dance floor.
0:34Hi, everybody, and welcome to "Dance Moms, the Reunion."
0:38I'm Jeff Collins, the executive producer of the show.
0:41Joining me is the woman at the center of it
0:43all, the owner of the renowned Abby Lee Dance Company, Abby
0:48Lee Miller.
0:49How are you? - Good.
0:50It's great to see you.
0:51I'm so nervous.
0:53I feel like I should call you Miss Abby, like the kids.
0:54Well, you can.
0:56Also joining us, the always opinionated, always
0:59fabulous Dance Moms.
1:00Welcome, Melissa Gisoni, Dr. Holly Frazier, Christi
1:05Lukasiak, and Kelly Hyland.
1:07How are you ladies?
1:09ALL: Great. - It's good to have you here.
1:10Thanks, Jeff.
1:11Thanks for having us.
1:12One of the things that you say a lot
1:14is that everybody's replaceable.
1:16But one thing that we know is that there's only one Abby Lee
1:20Miller.
1:21Take a look at this.
1:23WOMAN: Everybody is replaceable.
1:24We all know everyone is replaceable.
1:25Everyone's replaceable.
1:27I have the success rate I have with producing
1:31professional dancers because of the delivery.
1:34This is my domain.
1:36I'm the principal here.
1:36It's my [inaudible].
1:38What you fail to realize, Abby--
1:39I don't fail to realize anything.
1:40--is that you don't control me.
1:41I will not be bossed around in my own studio.
1:43She has a deep voice that you will be very afraid of.
1:47Who's afraid of it, you?
1:49Well, no.
1:50I'm a little afraid of it.
1:52Listen to me.
1:53I don't want to look at the sad, horrible kid all day, yes?
1:55So put a smile on your face.
1:56Walk, walk, walk.
1:58Woo-hoo!
1:59Smaller steps.
2:00Wow!
2:01One, two, three.
2:01Woo-hoo.
2:03You're not throwing her out.
2:04Oh, yes, I am.
2:05And you with her.
2:06Every week we put the trash out.
2:07Go.
2:09Then take yourself out, because you're the biggest
2:12piece of trash there is.
2:13What do you think the spoon is for?
2:15ALL: Ice cream.
2:16Are we right?
2:18Yes, we're right.
2:19We're having a treat.
2:20Yes!
2:20A treat.
2:21Cheers.
2:22I stand on my credentials and my knowledge.
2:24That's fine.
2:25That's something you can never take away.
2:27Then fix this hair, because it's horrible.
2:30[cheering]
2:34No one's gonna hug me?
2:35Yay!
2:36Woo!
2:37We won first place with our group number.
2:39Yeah!
2:39Oh, yeah!
2:41I'm proud of the kids.
2:42They did what they needed to do.
2:43And moms, you chased away Cathy.
2:45You chased away Jill.
2:48And now you're after Leslie.
2:49When you start messing with my livelihood,
2:52that's when the curtain closes.
2:53And I'll start messing with your kid.
2:55Learn that.
2:59So listen, let's get right to it.
3:01Abby's way of talking to students, some people say,
3:04is a little harsh.
3:05Christi, what do you think?
3:07Oh, god.
3:08Yes, absolutely.
3:09I worked with children for eight years
3:11before I became a full-time dance mom.
3:15And if I had talked to students that way,
3:16I would have never had a business.
3:18But it's not always with everyone.
3:19You know, she talks to certain kids a certain way,
3:21and she talks to others another way.
3:23So--
3:24Well, what do you say about that, Holly?
3:25As an educator for 20 years, we
3:26see a variety of teaching styles and methods.
3:28And what I like about Abby is she's
3:30very direct about certain aspects of students' dancing
3:34that she finds difficult. So I think the message is often
3:38on target.
3:39I think her delivery is sometimes off base.
3:41So Melissa, Abby a good teacher or not?
3:44I think Abby is a fabulous teacher.
3:45She's been teaching my little Mackenzie since she's
3:47three years old, and Mackenzie has really
3:50blossomed over the last year.
3:51And it's all because of Abby.
3:53So you say that dance moms over the years have changed.
3:56What's the difference between what dance moms used to be
3:57like compared to these ladies?
4:00Many years ago, you had people that couldn't leave their jobs.
4:03They weren't stay-at-home moms.
4:05Most of my clientele now live a more privileged lifestyle.
4:08And, you know, today kids get a trophy for being born.
4:13So Melissa, you've been around the dance world a long time.
4:15How do you think other moms would characterize you
4:18as a dance mom?
4:19I think that they would say that I'm an involved dance
4:21mom, because I'm very involved in my kids,
4:23just like all of us.
4:24Christi, what do you think other dance moms would say
4:26about what kind of dance mom she is?
4:27Melissa spent a lot of time in the studio in years past.
4:30No one is going to disagree that we all want to be involved
4:34in our children's lives.
4:36And our kids go to school all day,
4:38and they spend a lot of time in the dance studio.
4:40And so oftentimes, that's the only time
4:41we get to spend with them.
4:44So I think that that's what people say-- like, you're
4:46always at the dance studio.
4:47Well, I don't look at it that we're always at the dance
4:49studio.
4:50I look at it as we're spending time with our kids,
4:51because if we weren't there, I would never see them,
4:53and we would turn around one day and they'd be 18, moving out.
4:56We're just willing to put the time in
4:58to be with our children, because I don't want
5:00to turn around someday and go, I missed their childhood.
5:02Jeff, if I may, Melissa's the kind of person
5:04that if a piece of paper is laying on the floor,
5:07she doesn't step over it.
5:08She picks it up and throws it away.
5:09And I think that rubbed people the wrong way.
5:12People that had been there for years and years and years,
5:15but they expected me to go and ask them for help.
5:18And I'm sure they would have helped me.
5:20Melissa just started doing it.
5:21We've had a couple of very hectic seasons of rehearsals,
5:23road trips, and grueling competitions.
5:25Thanks to these women right here,
5:28the world has learned that it's definitely not
5:31easy to be a dance mom.
5:32I want to know from each of you, and you have to be absolutely
5:34honest, who do you think, Holly, is the most outrageous dance
5:38mom?
5:39I don't know.
5:40I think we all equally share that title at the moment.
5:42You need to run for politics.
5:43I keep telling you that.
5:46ABBY LEE MILLER: Throw somebody under that bus!
5:47I would say it's a tie between Christi and Kelly.
5:48I think Kelly definitely speaks her mind.
5:52And when she does, watch out.
5:54Let's go, Paige.
5:55Brooke, you can leave class, too.
5:57I do not want to support Abby as a dance teacher.
6:00I'm not doing it to my kids--
6:01I'm not.
6:02Don't cry.
6:03It's all your fault to begin with.
6:05You can't just be smart.
6:07She just lets it fly.
6:08JEFF COLLINS: All right.
6:09So since we've nailed Kelly, Kelly,
6:10who do you think is the most outrageous, outspoken
6:12craziest dance mom?
6:14I think Christi.
6:15You're not pecking at something,
6:16and you're not pooping.
6:18Like, you just straighten your knees.
6:20Chloe!
6:22I think she pushes her kids more.
6:25Like, when we're behind--
6:27You pushed Brooke when she was young.
6:28When she was young I did.
6:29You still push Paige.
6:30Yeah, but Chloe's still young.
6:31No, she's 11.
6:33Yeah, but you were pushing Brooke when she was 11.
6:35Brooke, from 6 to 9 I really worked with Brooke.
6:39Except I was friends with you, when you were still pushing her
6:40when she was 10 and 11.
6:43I disagree.
6:44I don't think she pushed her at all.
6:46I think--
6:46I think she'd already live here,
6:48and Brooke would have already been a star.
6:49I think I fight with Abby a lot
6:50and I speak my mind because I'm standing up
6:51for what I believe is right.
6:54But I don't think I push my kids.
6:55I don't think you do.
6:55I don't think so.
6:58You know what's amazing about the two of you,
6:59you guys are actually besties, but yet you
7:02tell each other the truth. - Yes.
7:03JEFF COLLINS: You tell it like it is.
7:04Well, everyone always thinks that we don't argue.
7:07That is not true. - Oh, I've seen you.
7:08CHRISTI LUKASIAK: Kelly and I argue often.
7:10I don't need her to tell me I'm a bitch.
7:10I already know I am.
7:12But we're good enough friends to know that if I tell her
7:16how I'm feeling and I'm having a bad day,
7:18it's going to be fine tomorrow because we get it.
7:21People will come up to me and say, how can you guys look
7:23at each other after you sit and say something?
7:24But there's nothing that I say on the show about any
7:26of these women--
7:28CHRISTI LUKASIAK: That we haven't said.
7:29--that I wouldn't say to their face.
7:30Kelly lives real close to me, and I go to her house
7:32after I take the kids to school sometimes in my pajamas,
7:34and we just sit and chat, have coffee.
7:36I think that that's what people don't understand.
7:38We are ugly and nasty with each other.
7:40But when the chips are down, everyone has each other's back.
7:42Everyone thinks Melissa and I have this tension between us,
7:44and we do to a certain degree.
7:46But when I need something, I call Melissa.
7:49And she's the first one to help me.
7:50And that's the thing about our relationship.
7:52I think in many ways it's like a family
7:53and we're dysfunctional in our relationships in some respects.
7:58But you don't get to pick and choose members of your family.
8:00We're all thrown into this because we have a common bond.
8:03Our daughters dance.
8:04We're here, and we learned how to navigate that.
8:08I get to choose that.
8:09And I'm an only child. - You don't get to choose that.
8:10I'm an only child, so the whole family
8:12thing is just like--
8:13whatever.
8:14Yes, but you created this family, Abby.
8:15So the dysfunctionality of our relationship--
8:17I'm so glad to hear you say that, because I can create
8:20another one.
8:21Well, you could, but that would be your loss.
8:22So listen, let's talk about one
8:25of the things in the show that is a very controversial element
8:27of the show, which is Abby's famous pyramid.
8:29Girls, let's go.
8:31Come on, girls.
8:36Why do you do the pyramid?
8:37Every dance teacher in the country--
8:39I mean, choreographers that I deal with
8:41and my colleagues-- we all have a pyramid in our head.
8:45That pyramid sets it up.
8:47The kids are standing right there.
8:49So I feel like it's a really big lesson
8:52in the way the world works.
8:53You go to a cattle call, you walk
8:55in, you stand on that line, the famous chorus line--
8:58yes, no, no, yes, no.
9:00Nobody tells you why.
9:03At least I'm explaining to the kids why you're here.
9:06What did you do right?
9:07What did you do wrong?
9:08What happened?
9:10This is where you ended up.
9:11Now, Christi, I can feel your energy.
9:14I can feel it.
9:15I know that you have a very strong opinion
9:16about the pyramid.
9:18I just think that it's one thing when you are in a work
9:19environment and you kind of see the hierarchy of things.
9:22I think it's a different thing when
9:23you have little girls involved.
9:24Our kids have done the pyramid for many weeks now,
9:26and I still think that it's hurtful.
9:29And I think there's other ways to go about things.
9:31I think the kids are smarter than Christi is giving them
9:35credit for.
9:37Although I am not a fan of the pyramid, I will say this--
9:40it holds Abby accountable for her thinking.
9:43So she can't just say it's in her head
9:44or she can deny that she favors a child.
9:48So you see it right there in front
9:50of you, all the photographs, what she's thinking,
9:51and you can hold her accountable,
9:53whether you agree or disagree.
9:54THEME SONG: Living on the dance floor.
10:01Melissa, a lot of people think that Abby plays favoritism
10:03to Maddie.
10:04And obviously we know in the show
10:06that Maddie ends up at the top of the pyramid a lot.
10:09ABBY LEE MILLER: Maddie, you're on the top of the pyramid
10:10because you won a national title.
10:12Again, it's Maddie.
10:14Maddie.
10:15Maddie.
10:16It's Maddie.
10:18Second person on top of the pyramid is also Maddie.
10:24Are you ever concerned about Maddie's future
10:28when someday she's not at the top of the pyramid?
10:30I'm really not concerned, because she's not always
10:31at the top of the pyramid.
10:33And Abby is strict with her and tells her all of her flaws.
10:36But sometimes Abby does it in private, not
10:38in front of everybody.
10:39JEFF COLLINS: How do you guys feel?
10:40I think she's doing a disfavor to Maddie.
10:43Anytime we have a competition or something
10:46and Maddie doesn't win, she loses it.
10:48She's not lost it.
10:49I don't understand what you're talking about.
10:50Like, we had a turn contest at bootie camp.
10:53Chloe won.
10:54All of a sudden Maddie had a headache.
10:55We had the watermelon contest in Abby's pool.
10:58Nia won.
10:59All of a sudden, Maddie got hurt.
11:00Like, she's never going to win all the time.
11:02MELISSA GISONI: I know that.
11:03And I just think that--
11:04But that's her maturity level.
11:05Letting your child think that she's
11:07going to win all the time, I think those are the kids
11:09that end up anorexic because the girl beside her
11:11got the part because she was skinnier than she was.
11:13I never tell Maddie she's going to win, ever.
11:15I mean, I don't.
11:16She works on her own.
11:17I don't work with her on her routines
11:19because I never pretend to be a dance teacher.
11:21So while we're on the subject of Maddie,
11:23for most of the season Maddie seemed absolutely unstoppable.
11:26She's won crown after crown at dance competitions
11:28around the country.
11:29We don't know if it's her magnetic smile
11:32or her emotional performances, but it seemed like nobody could
11:35take their eyes off of her--
11:36especially you, Abby.
11:38[interposing voices]
11:39I love you.
11:40That child works so hard.
11:42Maddie's solo is exquisite.
11:47MELISSA GISONI: Maddie's choreography
11:48and Chloe's choreography were not
11:50even in the same stratosphere.
11:53I would say Maddie and Chloe go back and forth for the best
11:55dancer in the group.
11:57CHLOE: I kind of wish Miss Abby gave the same attention
12:00that she gave to Maddie to the other girls and I.
12:03I guess she's setting us up for another Maddie-Chloe .
12:05Showdown It'll be the same old, same old.
12:07You know, Abby will be working with Maddie right
12:08before she goes on stage, and it'll be me
12:10in the back hallway with my daughter,
12:12because that's how it always is.
12:13All the focus is on Maddie.
12:15And then there's nothing left for anybody else.
12:18Right.
12:19[music playing]
12:24There is not a tear shed for another child in this company.
12:29That's my issue.
12:30These are children, and you cry for whatever reason
12:33for one child and not the other?
12:35They all hurt the same.
12:36And the kids know.
12:37The kids know. - It was so obvious.
12:38[inaudible]
12:39You should be so lucky to have Chloe as your student,
12:41because she's a great dancer, and everybody knows it,
12:43except for you.
12:45I made her!
12:45I know it!
12:47You did not make her.
12:47Were you pregnant for nine months?
12:49I made her.
12:49You know what?
12:51You couldn't have given a [bleep] about her
12:52for so many years when I sat up there
12:54and I told her what to do, because you were too busy
12:55looking at everybody else.
12:58Oh, who else was I looking at?
12:59- Oh, let me guess. - Everybody.
13:00Who?
13:02Who else?
13:03CHRISTI LUKASIAK: Abby does not put any value on any child
13:06in her studio except for Maddie, and those kids know it.
13:08And it is a shame.
13:11So Christi, does that upset you
13:12when you see Chloe say on tape that she wished Abby spent
13:16as much time with her as she spent with Maddie?
13:18Yeah.
13:19I also wished-- I think all the girls wished that Abby talked
13:20to them like she speaks to Maddie.
13:22She says to our kids, why are you so stupid?
13:25You're so stupid. You're so stupid.
13:26To Maddie she says, you're smarter than that.
13:27Like--
13:29When Maddie comes in to work on a solo, she is open minded.
13:33She wants to help along the choreography.
13:38She is experimental, if you will.
13:42She-- and that face.
13:44She just dances with her face first.
13:46She has a great facility.
13:49She has a beautiful body.
13:50She should have a crown on her head all the time.
13:52You know, that's what you look at.
13:54Every one of the kids are different,
13:56and the way the relationship works, hey,
14:01Maddie could graduate from high school,
14:02and I could never hear from her again.
14:04Let me ask you about something that the viewers thought was
14:06pretty outrageous and pretty controversial.
14:08In one of the episodes, you asked Melissa
14:11to bring in Maddie's crowns.
14:12Right.
14:13And you displayed the crowns in front
14:15of all the other girls.
14:17Starbound.
14:18Ooh, that's pretty.
14:18Energy.
14:20CHRISTI LUKASIAK: Maddie still wins, just because she
14:21has better choreography and Abby makes sure of that.
14:24Every week, she makes sure that Maddie has the best
14:27choreography out of this group.
14:28And you can sit here and get mad at me, but you know it's true.
14:31There's no question.
14:33GEA.
14:34Running out of room.
14:36What were you trying to teach them?
14:37That it's not the crown.
14:39It's the work you put in to try to win that crown.
14:43Holly, you're rolling your eyes at all this.
14:44What's going on?
14:46When you favor a child or a student,
14:49it's hurtful for the other students.
14:50And it's clear that there are favorites.
14:52And Abby's unapologetic for having favorites.
14:55She can have her favorites--
14:56And if your-- not middle school, but in the high school,
14:58do you not have a valedictorian?
15:00A valedictorian is something totally different.
15:02It's not the same.
15:03It's not the equivalent.
15:04Maddie is not a valedictorian.
15:06She's not.
15:08So Melissa, when Abby asked you to bring those crowns in--
15:10I was not happy.
15:11After it was being done--
15:13Let me interject.
15:14I said, bring these crowns in, and I want you to look back
15:16at how hard you worked and how important these were.
15:19She didn't want to put those crowns on the table.
15:21ABBY LEE MILLER: Oh, absolutely.
15:22Why do you people make her do it?
15:24Why did her mother allow her to pack up those crowns--
15:27MELISSA GISONI: I didn't know what they were gonna do.
15:28--and take them to the studio?
15:30Because she knew it was going to hurt every one of those kids.
15:32Well, you must have had some idea.
15:33No, I did not know.
15:34If I was her mother, I would have said--
15:35Let me tell you why.
15:36This is what started the whole incident.
15:37MELISSA GISONI: I had no idea.
15:38We were at a competition, and Maddie won a crown.
15:41She no sooner sat back down on that stage
15:45that she took that crown off and gave it to somebody else.
15:48Now, remember, you have our six, seven children.
15:50But behind them are 500 other kids
15:54that would have chopped off their right arm
15:55to win that crown.
15:57So Maddie cannot behave like that.
16:00None of my students can.
16:01They need to show ownership.
16:02They need to be proud.
16:03They need to be thrilled when they win that.
16:06And she was not.
16:07It's a complicated, sometimes rocky relationship
16:10that goes back over 30 years.
16:11We may not know everything that went down between Abby
16:14and Kelly throughout their long history,
16:16but we do know that there was something about this season
16:18that pushed them over the edge.
16:21So take a look at this.
16:22It's bad parenting, Kelly.
16:24She should have opened her mouth and said, Abby--
16:26KELLY HYLAND: Whether I was drinking or not,
16:27it's none of her damn business.
16:28Your kid doesn't want to dance.
16:29They're lazy, and they don't like to lose.
16:32You're playing with fire, Kelly.
16:36Done.
16:36[gasping]
16:39[bleep] you, Abby.
16:40You don't need them for the competition.
16:41I told you to do it for today.
16:43KELLY HYLAND: You know what, Abby?
16:45What?
16:46We're done.
16:47You're not doing a solo.
16:49Neither of my kids are doing a group dance.
16:50That's fine. KELLY HYLAND: OK?
16:52That's fine.
16:52[inaudible]
16:54I pay for costumes and props, and I don't get them.
16:57I've been here all day making costumes for you, while you
17:02were down the road eating.
17:04Stop eating.
17:06That's why you're fat.
17:08Goodbye.
17:10You told me at 10 o'clock at night
17:12that I needed stoppers for a chair the next morning.
17:15Right.
17:16You know what, Abby, I have three kids that
17:17need to be at school.
17:18Your husband that I keep hearing about.
17:20So tell him to go do something.
17:22KELLY HYLAND: My husband works. - OK.
17:23And you wouldn't know that, because you live at home
17:25with your mom.
17:26Right, I take care of my mom.
17:27People who have a family have things to do--
17:29ABBY LEE MILLER: And guess what, Kelly.
17:30--outside of dance.
17:31When my mother was 17, she paid the mortgage
17:34on her parents' house.
17:35KELLY HYLAND: I don't really give a [bleep]
17:36what your mother did.
17:37I'm talking about me.
17:38I have a husband and I have three kids
17:40and I have a home that I am taking care of.
17:42Right.
17:43Dance is my extracurricular activity.
17:44ABBY LEE MILLER: Right.
17:45At 10 o'clock when I got home, going and buying
17:47stoppers was not in--
17:49So why didn't you just come to me and say, I can't?
17:53When you threw the chair on the floor--
17:54I'd throw it harder.
17:55JEFF COLLINS: You would?
17:56It's my studio, my chair--
17:58That's a $68,000 floor, and you're
18:00going to throw a chair on it?
18:01THEME SONG: Living on the dance floor.
18:06So Kelly, look, here's something
18:08that everybody's wondering because of some
18:10of the things that have happened over this last season.
18:12So next season, are you in or are you out?
18:15It's up for debate.
18:17So you're not sure?
18:18I'm not sure now.
18:19So there's--
18:20Oh, she told me she was not coming back.
18:22So there's a chance that we may not see you next year.
18:24You may not.
18:25So you're going to think about it over the summer?
18:26Mm-hmm.
18:28My kids want to be back, but I'm getting to the point,
18:30I just don't know that it's worth it.
18:31Paige is the most fun-loving child I know.
18:36And I just feel like that studio is breaking her spirit.
18:40I agree 100%.
18:41When Paige and I are together outside the dance environment,
18:44she's a very nice, kind little girl.
18:47We have no trouble.
18:48Step inside that studio, I expect more from her.
18:50JEFF COLLINS: All right.
18:51Well, let's do this.
18:52We have a lot of fans who have written some questions
18:54that they would like to ask you ladies.
18:57So here's one from--
18:58Oh, cool.
18:59--from Julie from Massachusetts who asks, Kelly,
19:02you totally hit below the belt when you took shots
19:04at Abby's weight and called her a whore.
19:06I said, Kelly, go get a job.
19:08Oh, don't even go there, you whore.
19:11Oh, you are a whore.
19:13JEFF COLLINS: Any regrets over your choice of words?
19:16No, I do not regret my choice of words.
19:18Because when I called Abby a whore,
19:21you didn't see what really happened.
19:23Abby went below the belt, talking about my family
19:25members.
19:26But I don't know why you would use that word.
19:28I mean, why would you go to that word directly?
19:30If I would have thought about it,
19:31I would have called you a virgin.
19:33And that's a bad thing?
19:34Just so your kids can hear it, that's a bad thing?
19:35- Yeah. - OK.
19:37So Abby, you and Kelly grew up together.
19:40You've known her since you were two years old.
19:43Yes, I danced for her mother, since I was two and a half.
19:45OK.
19:46So what would you describe her-- what was she
19:47like when she was a kid?
19:49Beautiful, fun, similar to Paige, a little dingy?
19:54Talented.
19:55Dingy?
19:57ABBY LEE MILLER: Talented.
19:58JEFF COLLINS: Right.
19:58Fun.
19:59Potential.
20:01Great potential.
20:02And what would you describe Abby like when you guys were
20:04kids?
20:05[chuckling] Um, bossy.
20:09JEFF COLLINS: Well, that hasn't changed.
20:10Mean.
20:11But in all of that, I think Abby taught me a lot.
20:14Like, I don't regret a lot of the things
20:18that I've done with Abby.
20:19And I think that's probably one of the reasons
20:20why I brought my kids to Abby.
20:22I mean, when I look back at certain things that I do,
20:26I think of Abby.
20:27Just like, when I'm sitting somewhere, my posture,
20:31I think of Abby telling me--
20:33[inaudible]
20:33KELLY HYLAND: --do this.
20:34Or if I wear ankle strap shoes, you know,
20:36Abby said that makes your ankles look fat.
20:38Like, there's a lot of things that I
20:39go back to that Abby has taught me, even though she was mean.
20:43So let's move on.
20:45Look, there's no denying that out of all the dance moms,
20:47Melissa has the closest ties to Abby, of course.
20:50The other moms have accused you of being a tattletale,
20:52being manipulative, being brown-nosing.
20:55But it was this CD skip heard 'round the world that got
20:59the other moms really talking.
21:01So let's take a look at this.
21:04[music skipping]
21:08So I don't know what happened with the CD.
21:09It just scratched.
21:12We need to move on.
21:13Abby has been in the dance world long enough to know
21:16that when that happens you win.
21:19So the second Maddie's music stopped,
21:21I knew what was going on.
21:23So Melissa, here's your chance.
21:25Did that conversation between you and Kelly really happen?
21:28Did you really tell Kelly that Maddie
21:29knew the CD was going to skip?
21:31No, I did not.
21:32She practiced to a CD, but not to that-- she practiced
21:33to an iPad.
21:35OK, but was she instructed to keep dancing if something
21:36happened-- - So was your two kids!
21:37Everybody's instructed--
21:38Everybody's kids are instructed.
21:40Something happens to your music, honey, you just keep dancing.
21:42My kid hasn't been told that in the past year.
21:44[interposing voices]
21:45Hold on, hold on, hold on.
21:46I swear on my children's life.
21:47I swear on my mother's grave that I did not say.
21:50No, go back and watch that clip.
21:51Because Maddie never even hesitated.
21:54Of course she didn't, because she's a professional.
21:54ABBY LEE MILLER: She didn't.
21:57The music stops when you're onstage, [inaudible]..
21:57Hey, knock it off.
22:00You're messing with my professional reputation.
22:02I don't care.
22:03But if your daughter's music would have stopped--
22:04Calling me a cheater?
22:05--she would have kept dancing, and you know that.
22:05Cuckoo.
22:07Yeah.
22:08In my experience, in the decade that I've
22:09known both of these women, Kelly has never lied to me.
22:12I can't say the same for Melissa.
22:14JEFF COLLINS: Christi, one of the things
22:15that you said to me off camera, you
22:17say that we never get to see the fun that you guys have
22:18together. - No, you don't.
22:20Exactly.
22:21CHRISTI LUKASIAK: You don't.
22:22Because we all understand from watching the show
22:23that you really do have a relationship
22:25and that you really are close and that you really
22:27do love each other.
22:28And what are some of the most fun experiences
22:29that you've had with these women?
22:30Oh, my best memories of these women
22:32have been my pregnancy with Clara.
22:36That was great that I shared it with these guys.
22:38What, our baby?
22:38It's our baby.
22:39I mean, she is.
22:40She's everybody's baby.
22:43OK, little cup of tea.
22:45I had a very hard time getting pregnant a second time.
22:48I wanted a second baby more than anything.
22:49I had given up hope.
22:51I got pregnant with Clara.
22:52Who were the first people at the hospital?
22:53Paige-- Paige is in--
22:55Paige was the first one there.
22:57My daughter was born, and there's pictures of Chloe
22:58and Paige holding my baby.
23:00[inaudible]
23:02They brought me flowers.
23:03Holly's my neighbor.
23:04You know, you don't see those things.
23:06Our kids, when they have free time,
23:09they don't want to hang around with their school friend kids.
23:13They want to hang around with their dance friends.
23:18JEFF COLLINS: All dance moms have a different reason
23:19that they choose this tough dance life for their child.
23:22But for Christi, her daughter dancing at the Abby Lee Dance
23:24Company is fulfilling a dream she's always had for herself.
23:27Take a look.
23:29When I was a little girl, I dreamed
23:31of taking dance lessons.
23:32And I lived with my grandparents.
23:35I moved back and forth on and off.
23:36And I danced on the lawn.
23:38And I dreamed of having a life like she does.
23:42Although I didn't have all those same opportunities that Chloe
23:45had, my grandparents were able to give me something that
23:49my mother didn't.
23:49And that was unconditional love.
23:57I had a hard childhood.
24:00I wanted my children to have every opportunity that I never
24:04had.
24:05And it's not just opportunities to dance.
24:06It's an opportunity to go after something that you love
24:09and that you're passionate about and have the full support
24:12of your parents behind you.
24:13Chloe did soccer.
24:14She did basketball.
24:15She did volleyball.
24:17She did the piano.
24:18You know, she tried a million different things.
24:20And it was always dance that she came back to.
24:22I just want Chloe to be so much of a better person
24:26than I ever can be.
24:28She will go to the ends of the earth
24:30to make sure that that kid is at the right place
24:33at the right time and looking the right way.
24:36But I also think right now, Chloe is her ticket out.
24:39No, she's my ticket to raising someone who I'm proud of.
24:44And if you can't see that, shame on you,
24:45because that's every mother's goal.
24:47Like--
24:48Yes, but you should also be teaching her
24:49to be able to be independent.
24:52That's every parent's job.
24:53Yes.
24:54Now, Abby--
24:56So when you're gone that she continues to live that way.
24:58My daughter is independent.
24:59She's just terrified of you.
25:00When you keep saying that--
25:02CHRISTI LUKASIAK: When you put her on the spot--
25:03- --then why do you come back? - --then why do you come back?
25:04I would have left had she not won that national title.
25:07I would have left.
25:10So listen, our moms have always questioned
25:13Abby's creative vision.
25:14But one particular ethnic solo had Holly seeing red,
25:19and it got everybody talking about Laquifa.
25:22What?
25:23What?
25:24Let's take a look at this Laquifa number.
25:25What?
25:27"They Call Me Laquifa."
25:29Gotcha.
25:29(SINGING) They call me Laquifa.
25:31I'm a post-modern-- pin--
25:31what?
25:33They call me Laquifa.
25:34I'm a post-modern-- what?
25:35What? What?
25:36What? What?
25:38What?
25:39She was wearing this '70s Afro wig.
25:41It just seemed so stereotypical.
25:42It is stereotypical.
25:43Absolutely.
25:45If I send her to an audition, it's
25:47going to be an ethnic call.
25:48It's like, there's a little undertone of nuance that is
25:51a little bit of a negativity.
25:52She doesn't have good feet.
25:53She doesn't have great turnout.
25:55She doesn't straighten her knees.
25:56She's swayback.
25:57I'm telling you very nicely-- pick the music,
26:00pick the choreographer.
26:01To have my kid dress up in an Afro?
26:03So Holly, which part of that was the part that really got
26:07you going?
26:08Oh, the Afro heard 'round the world.
26:10The Afro heard 'round the world.
26:12Look, I don't need an Afro wig to show me that I'm black.
26:16And I don't need for Nia to think
26:17that that makes her black.
26:18Her identity is bigger than an Afro wig.
26:20I think Nia is unique.
26:24And I don't think she has to be compromised by portraying
26:26a certain type of African-American.
26:29I think we've come a long way.
26:31And it didn't really celebrate any heritage.
26:32I have no problem with ethnic dances.
26:34I was in an African dance company.
26:36I loved my experience with that.
26:38What's your reasoning?
26:39Why all the ethnic dances for Nia?
26:42Because she's ethnic.
26:43If I'm doing a Swedish dance, I'm
26:46going to use Chloe and Paige.
26:48But it's what they're going to win with.
26:51It's their best shot at success.
26:53And it's the Abby Lee Dance Company,
26:55so I want to go in there and win.
26:56For me to do that, I felt that's what the music dictated.
26:59I wanted it to be fun.
27:00I wanted it to be exciting.
27:03And like you said, she's much bigger than the Afro.
27:06But the Afro is big.
27:07It made a statement.
27:08Nia learned from it.
27:10She learned to embrace it.
27:11Whether Holly liked it or not, whether Holly respects it
27:13or not, I don't really care.
27:15We know.
27:17That's obvious.
27:18My job is to teach Nia that these are the parts she's going
27:19to go after.
27:21She wants to do this professionally, that's
27:22what she's going to do.
27:24All right.
27:26So Principal Holly is the one mom in the group who struggled
27:27with balancing a full-time career
27:29and a full-time competition season.
27:31But there were times that straddling both these worlds
27:33didn't sit too well with you.
27:36So let's take a look at this.
27:37Parents worked hard to be here today.
27:39Here, I think moms who don't work probably
27:42have a more flexible schedule.
27:43But you know that I work.
27:45I feel right now that I care more about Nia's success
27:47than you do.
27:48No, you're--
27:49Your husband was here.
27:50He walked right in the door.
27:52Why didn't he stay?
27:52Abby, if you--
27:54My dad even took me to the mother-daughter talk about
27:57getting your period.
27:58My dad took me, because my mother was at work.
28:00Figure it out, because you know what, the kid needs somebody.
28:03Abby, was I--
28:03She's not that swift.
28:04HOLLY FRAZIER: How dare you?
28:06you think you're up here because you have a doctorate,
28:08and everybody else is down here.
28:09That's your problem, Abby.
28:10You are intimidated by me because I have my doctorate.
28:12Bull!
28:14So Holly, during the evolution of the show,
28:16we watched you get your doctorate.
28:17So hats off to you.
28:18Congratulations.
28:19Thank you.
28:20JEFF COLLINS: So because you've straddled this fence back
28:22and forth, does that mean that women can't do it all?
28:26The demands of a competitive dance team, working full time,
28:31and also maintaining what was needed in our household,
28:33I had to re-evaluate.
28:36And I don't want working moms to think
28:37that they can't have it all.
28:38I think you can.
28:40But you have to really evaluate what's best for your interest
28:41for your family.
28:42And for me, I thought as a working mother,
28:45it's a great model--
28:46not only for Nia but the other girls on a competitive dance
28:49team-- to see that you can have a career, that you can
28:52be married and have a household, and still be there
28:55for your family and doing whatever they need to.
28:57If you've ever wondered what makes a good dance mom,
28:59these ladies have shown that good sewing skills
29:02and a quick comeback are essential.
29:04But for dance mom Jill Vertes, a sexy 1-900 voice
29:09and knowing how to storm out of a studio
29:12are the qualities that make her memorable.
29:14All right, Jill.
29:16Come on out.
29:16[music playing]
29:18Wow.
29:19Hi, guys.
29:21Hello, everybody.
29:22Did you miss me?
29:23Hi, Jeff.
29:24She really doesn't need a seat.
29:25She doesn't stay long.
29:26Oh, I'm not going anywhere.
29:28So here's the question that everybody
29:30seems to want to know.
29:31Is she a studio hopper or a concerned mom
29:33who just wants the best for her kid?
29:36Judge for yourself.
29:38WOMAN: She lives down the street,
29:39and yet she drove an hour in each direction.
29:41WOMAN: She's been to three studios in six years.
29:42I don't think it's getting tired of studios.
29:43Really? What have you heard?
29:46I think it's getting--
29:48[shouting]
29:48Pack my bags and go home right now.
29:50Is that what-- would that make you guys really happy?
29:53No, that would not make me happy.
29:54Because that's what I'm doing.
29:55ABBY LEE MILLER: And you know who's gonna lose?
29:57I'm sick of this [bleep].
29:58I'm done!
29:59It's going to be your daughter that loses.
30:01I'm done! Good for you.
30:02It's your daughter.
30:03We're done at Abby's.
30:04I'm taking you somewhere where they
30:04are going to appreciate you.
30:07Were you looking to join--
30:07I need a studio.
30:10You might want to just go ahead and join with us
30:12and become an Apple.
30:14I need fun.
30:15I know you have a lot of students,
30:17but if you can't give my student enough time,
30:21how can I continue to keep bringing her to you,
30:23when you can't give her the time of day?
30:24I made a mistake going to Candy Apples.
30:27And I would really like for you to find a spot for Kendall
30:31on this team like you did once before.
30:32Still the same old Jill.
30:34All right.
30:35So when she went to Candy Apples,
30:36you said that that was the ultimate betrayal.
30:39So why did you take her back?
30:39Because of Kendall.
30:41Kendall is a good kid.
30:43She's smart.
30:43She picks up quickly.
30:45She's only 9 years old.
30:46And she's beautiful.
30:49JEFF COLLINS: Christi, from the very first time you met Jill,
30:50you said you didn't like her.
30:52Someone said to me, wait until you meet Jill.
30:53She is the ultimate stage mom.
30:56She will do absolutely anything in her power
30:58to get her kid ahead.
31:00But, you know, I--
31:01She just likes you because you eat money out of men's pants.
31:03Well, that's what we [inaudible]..
31:05Oh, what's that story?
31:07We went to a local establishment, we'll say.
31:10But next thing I know, there's a very young man
31:12who may be young enough to be your son with a couple
31:15of twenties sticking out of his waistband.
31:17And Jill is taking them out of his waist with her teeth.
31:21JEFF COLLINS: Whoa!
31:22CHRISTI LUKASIAK: With her teeth!
31:23JILL VERTES: I just got in there--
31:24CHRISTI LUKASIAK: No, he offered it to me, and I passed.
31:26And you told me to take the stick out of my ass.
31:30All right.
31:31So Jill, when Abby told you to make a costume for Kendall,
31:35you kind of cheated.
31:36You used an old one.
31:37Do you feel that you bent the rules a little bit there?
31:41I'm going to be perfectly honest.
31:43I did not bend the rules, because every single one,
31:46except Christi, used an old costume.
31:48I don't care what they say--
31:52You couldn't use a costume from another studio, though.
31:52That was--
31:54No, she didn't tell me that.
31:55MELISSA GISONI: Yes, she did. Yes, she did.
31:57She told all of us that.
31:58And Nia did not use a costume that she has worn before.
32:01I wanted you to do it.
32:02And I was trying to teach the kids,
32:03you can make do with what you have.
32:05It's about your talent.
32:07That was the lesson.
32:08You cheated.
32:10We're going to have to agree to disagree.
32:11OK.
32:12Jill's not the only one who's been under fire.
32:15Melissa came under a lot of scrutiny
32:16by other moms because of her personal life.
32:20She's so forthcoming.
32:21She'll tell you anything about her body, nooks, crevices,
32:24desires, taboos.
32:26All that. - [chuckling]
32:27HOLLY FRAZIER: I lost my appetite.
32:28I mean, I know that she's cleanly shaved down there,
32:31but she won't tell me she's engaged.
32:34Hello?
32:34That's a little too personal.
32:36She's such a bitch.
32:38The moms through you an unwanted bachelorette party.
32:43And they badgered you about your engagement ring.
32:46And you felt ganged up on.
32:48Why?
32:49I wanted to keep it private, because my significant other
32:53is going through a divorce.
32:54So I didn't feel that it was necessary to have it on TV.
32:57JEFF COLLINS: You actually had a lawyer write a letter
32:59to the other dance moms and tell them
33:02that you didn't want them to talk about your personal life
33:04on television, or else you were going to take legal action.
33:08I can't believe that she sent a letter to all of us
33:09from an attorney that was hired to say that we're not allowed
33:12to discuss her personal life.
33:15And she's supposed to be our friend.
33:15Who does that?
33:17What friend sends you a letter from an attorney?
33:19And then if you do talk about it, she threatens to sue you.
33:21Like, friends don't sue friends.
33:22Nope.
33:24All of us felt like, friends don't sue friends.
33:27I did not sue you.
33:27This is not my attorney.
33:28It's Greg's attorney.
33:30I would never go to a friend and threaten legal action
33:33and still call you a friend.
33:34Wait.
33:35Why did you get engaged when he was still married?
33:37That's none of your business, Jill.
33:38If you had just waited until--
33:40but I'm saying, then none of this
33:41would have happened, because that's what you were hiding.
33:44He's still married, and you're engaged.
33:44But that's not--
33:46I wasn't hiding that he was married.
33:47But, I mean, from the public--
33:48that's what the problem is.
33:50But that's why you didn't want til on national TV.
33:51If you just said, wait, honey, till your divorce is final,
33:53which you said it would have been a year ago--
33:55MELISSA GISONI: Well, maybe that's
33:56what you would have done, but this is what we wanted to do.
33:57Well, I'm just asking. You could have--
33:58And it was a very special time for me.
33:59It was wonderful.
34:00And, you know what, the kids wanted it,
34:02I wanted it, so we did that.
34:04But that's why--
34:07we knew you wanted it.
34:08And, like, you said you sent Paige a picture of it.
34:09Paige was so thrilled for you.
34:11MELISSA GISONI: I know she was.
34:14But that's why we talked about it with you.
34:15We didn't think that it was something wrong to talk about.
34:18Because Paige texted me on Christmas.
34:19ABBY LEE MILLER: But then what about the very first time
34:20she asked you, please don't talk about it?
34:22Why didn't it just go away?
34:23But why do you have to speak for her?
34:25You had nothing to do with it.
34:26ABBY LEE MILLER: Well, I didn't--
34:26I didn't have an attorney.
34:28But you know what, this has nothing to do with you.
34:29This is between the five of us.
34:30It really doesn't.
34:31But it affected my studio.
34:32MELISSA GISONI: No, it doesn't Abby.
34:34Yes, it does.
34:34MELISSA GISONI: But it's over now.
34:35Because guess what.
34:36He's going to be divorced in seven,
34:3710 days, 14 days, 15 days, whatever.
34:39JILL VERTES: Good for you. ABBY LEE MILLER: Maybe.
34:40JILL VERTES: And how soon are you getting married?
34:42Can we talk about that? - As soon as we can.
34:43As soon as he's divorced.
34:45In any event, we're very happy for you.
34:46Thank you. Me, too.
34:48JEFF COLLINS: We're very happy that you're in love again.
34:49Are we coming to the wedding?
34:50Absolutely not.
34:52[chuckling]
34:53I was planning on surprising the kids,
34:54but I don't know where we're going to get married.
34:55Can the cameras come?
34:58I don't know about that.
34:59I don't think Greg will allow that.
35:01So ladies, I've got a question for you.
35:03When I say the name Cathy from Candy Apples,
35:06tell me what pops into your mind.
35:09Witch.
35:10Holly?
35:12Silly.
35:13Little shoes.
35:14Just--
35:15JEFF COLLINS: Christi?
35:16Jerky.
35:17JEFF COLLINS: Kelly?
35:17Stalker.
35:19JEFF COLLINS: Jill?
35:20Annoying.
35:21Frankly, when I'm out, people will ask about Cathy.
35:23WOMAN: All the time.
35:24Tell me, what is she like?
35:25And I just say, she's special.
35:27[interposing voices]
35:30[inaudible],, is Cathy really that creepy?
35:32It's almost like Cathy--
35:32She's like a cartoon character.
35:34She's like the coyote.
35:35You know?
35:36Like, you know they're never going to catch Roadrunner,
35:37but they're going to try to throw an anvil on you.
35:38That's exactly right.
35:39JEFF COLLINS: So Cathy, come on out.
35:41[music playing]
35:42[laughter]
35:47[cheering]
35:49Hello.
35:50How's my little Pittsburgh babes?
35:53So Cathy, let's just get right to it.
35:55There were some very tense moments that happened recently,
35:57which we're all anxious to talk about.
36:00So let's take a look at this clip.
36:01Yeah, because I have no idea.
36:03Oh, you're leaving?
36:04- Yeah, we're leaving. - All right.
36:06Let's go. - Bye.
36:07- Bye. - Bye.
36:08Safe travels.
36:09So, to sum up your trip to Hollywood, California,
36:11failures!
36:13Keep going.
36:14Keep going.
36:18Cathy, you're unbe-wee-vable!
36:21Christi, enough.
36:23She seriously just threw water on me?
36:24CHANTING: A-L-D-C!
36:26A-L-D-C!
36:27Just because you're condescending
36:29doesn't make you classy.
36:30You're nothing but a hillbilly.
36:32Oh, yeah?
36:33[shouting]
36:35How classy is that?
36:39What do you think, Cathy?
36:40I think that Sparky over there needed cooling down.
36:42That's why the water went on her.
36:50JEFF COLLINS: From day one, what is it about the two of you?
36:53I think that we constantly see this in everybody's face.
36:56So that's why that happened.
37:00I mean, screaming and yelling about clean Chloe's clock
37:03and, you know, Justice has been her two times in a row.
37:06So, you know, you would be--
37:08You were the one out there chanting "clean Chloe's
37:10clock"--
37:11And the whole Candy Apple chant.
37:13And we didn't come after you.
37:15We did not know that that was your dressing room.
37:17And you knew we were at that competition.
37:18That's why you were there.
37:20That's why, Jeff, I called her a stalker.
37:22Because everywhere we go--
37:23CATHY NESBITT-STEIN: Kelly--
37:24--Cathy's there.
37:25Kelly, as far as I know, it was an invitational,
37:27and we were invited.
37:28So I think that the thing that we need--
37:30What about the 50 other compe--
37:32We don't come after you.
37:34We just come to competitions.
37:36We're not chasing after you.
37:38I don't know, Cathy.
37:38It sure seems like it.
37:40There's over 800 dance competition.
37:41I think it's a coincidence, Abby.
37:43ABBY LEE MILLER: In the United States.
37:43You know it's a coincidence.
37:45Good, healthy competition and good, healthy rivalry is fine.
37:50But for some reason, all of you turn it
37:52into vindictive vicious.
37:54You're saying that good, healthy competition is OK?
37:56But why would you come to the studio where we were?
37:59There were 18 other studios invited to the competition.
38:03They weren't all rehearsing right next door
38:05to me in the other room, chanting about me.
38:07You know what, there was a lot of emotions running high
38:09that evening.
38:10We obviously won and we beat you,
38:12and you were just trying to leave the building.
38:13And then I think things escalated because of all
38:15the feelings that were going on and the emotions
38:17from that week.
38:18JEFF COLLINS: What is it about the two of you?
38:20It's like oil and water.
38:22Clearly we're not ever going to call each other up and go
38:24to lunch, clearly.
38:25However, you know, I appreciate a quick wit.
38:30When I'm in a room with the two of you,
38:32it's almost comical at times, because--
38:34It is, Holly.
38:35But excuse me, it upsets the children.
38:37There's more to life than winning.
38:39And I feel very sorry for you--
38:40There's a lot more to life.
38:41But you don't recognize any of that.
38:43Yes, I do, Cathy.
38:44It seems like the conversation always has to end with,
38:48and we were winning.
38:49Abby, I think I have way more class than you do.
38:53I think that you're a loud mouth.
38:54(SCREAMING) A loud mouth?
38:55You were at the theater.
38:57And I'm still apologizing for my behavior.
38:59Oh, no, you're not!
39:01So Cathy, in the time that you spent at the Abby Lee Dance
39:04Company, what did you walk away with?
39:07[chuckling] Abby clearly has different tactics than I do.
39:12I am very nurturing.
39:13She is very aggressive.
39:15She is not nice to her customers.
39:19I think that one of the reasons why I have much more clientele
39:23at my studio is because I'm a businessperson as well
39:26as a da--
39:27I'm not done, so close your mouth
39:29and pull your finger back. - Business first, talent second.
39:30Pull your finger back.
39:31I'm the other way around.
39:32No, that's not true.
39:33And I think that the mothers deserve respect.
39:38I don't think that the mothers should be annihilated.
39:41I don't think that the mothers should
39:42be accountable for having to go get props,
39:45having to rhinestone costumes.
39:49Abby is very good at what she does,
39:52and Abby does produce fine talent.
39:54So I'm going to give Abby kudos.
39:55We've known each other for quite some time,
39:57and we may not always win, but we win enough
40:00that you know we do create a good competition for you.
40:04All right.
40:05So on that note, I want to thank all you ladies for coming
40:07tonight.
40:08That's all we've got time for this week.
40:10Next time, the "Dance Moms" reunion continues in part two.
40:13We'll be talking much more with Cathy,
40:16plus more questions from "Dance Moms" fans.
40:18Don't miss it.
40:19Good night, everybody.
40:20Enjoy.
40:21THEME SONG: Living on the dance floor.
40:25ABBY LEE MILLER (VOICEOVER): Next, on "Dance Moms"--
40:25What's your problem with me?
40:27You're doing the same thing to your kids
40:30that your mom and dad did to you.
40:31Maybe someday say, you know what, Paige,
40:33someday you will be able to be a Rockette.
40:35I've said it to her over and over and over again.
40:38The Candy Apple dancers have only beat Abby's group once.
40:42Could it be that she's just better than you?
40:44Um, hmm.
40:47Please welcome Kaya.
40:50I mean, from the day I walked in there, it's
40:52like you had an issue with me.
40:53I don't know why she would just
40:54get to walk in and be on it when there's other kids who have had
40:56to go through--
40:57Other kids don't have a resume like hers.
40:59We're going to have to just agree that we disagree.
41:01You've been crossing the line ever since the show started.
41:03All of you have.
41:05Don't let the door hit your [bleep] on the way out, then.
41:06But you are just one bitter bitch.

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