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  1. 0:00people dislike me because I don't give a
  2. 0:02I'm going to tell the truth. You know
  3. 0:03what the difference between the
  4. 0:04conspiracy and the truth is? Time. I was
  5. 0:06emotionally unavailable. I think for
  6. 0:08those those seven or eight years because
  7. 0:09I'd met the person that changed my life
  8. 0:11and after that I just poured everything
  9. 0:13I had into football. And that's how it
  10. 0:15goes for all these people, you know, who
  11. 0:16who have issues with me. Uh especially
  12. 0:19the two past teammates. Like if you're
  13. 0:20only relevant when you mention my name,
  14. 0:22like you should check yourself. If I
  15. 0:24could have one wish, God please in this
  16. 0:26world, great spirit, whoever's up there.
  17. 0:32>> We're going into Aaron Rogers story now.
  18. 0:35And Aaron now, um, you lived a lot of
  19. 0:39lives in 21 years. You're one of the
  20. 0:41most talked about people when it not
  21. 0:43only comes to football, but in the
  22. 0:45country. How do you feel about being so
  23. 0:48controversial in terms of the media?
  24. 0:52I feel like there's a ton of hypocrisy
  25. 0:53out there. You know, everybody loved,
  26. 0:56you know, loved hearing about my takes
  27. 0:58on Colin Kaepernick when I said he was
  28. 1:00one of the top 64 quarterbacks in the
  29. 1:02league. Um, they loved my takes about
  30. 1:06when there was uh a shooting that
  31. 1:09occurred years and years ago was during
  32. 1:11Obama's presidency. Um, somebody yelled
  33. 1:14out some anti-Muslim rhetoric during the
  34. 1:17moment of silence, which I thought was
  35. 1:19so disrespectful. And I said after the
  36. 1:21game, the first thing I said was there's
  37. 1:23no place for that kind of hate in this
  38. 1:25world. Regardless of what happened, what
  39. 1:28you think happened. First of all, most
  40. 1:31of the stuff like we're lied to every
  41. 1:34single day. So like don't even get me
  42. 1:36started on that thing. But I I said
  43. 1:38something about that and and President
  44. 1:39Obama sent me a handwritten note
  45. 1:42>> afterwards.
  46. 1:44And nobody, you know, everybody loved
  47. 1:46that part. They enjoyed my takes. Mina
  48. 1:48Kims, you know, had me to her house for
  49. 1:51a feature that I did, you know, like all
  50. 1:54these people were my friends in the
  51. 1:55media until I came out against co and
  52. 1:59said, "I'm not going to stand for
  53. 2:00thising,
  54. 2:03you know, and and now after everything
  55. 2:05has came out, all they can say is, "Oh,
  56. 2:07well, you lied about it." You know,
  57. 2:09that's it's like when when somebody has
  58. 2:11an argument and all they can ever say is
  59. 2:13they can they attack your character
  60. 2:15instead of the content of what you're
  61. 2:17actually saying. You know that you're
  62. 2:19actually on the right side of things.
  63. 2:21And I've said many times when I said I
  64. 2:24was
  65. 2:25immunized, it was because that statement
  66. 2:28alone was the crux of my entire argument
  67. 2:31and ongoing appeal with the NFL around
  68. 2:33my vaccination status. Not to mention
  69. 2:35the hypocrisy around the treatment of
  70. 2:37players that were nonvaxed. the uh the
  71. 2:40inhumane way that we were treated as
  72. 2:42secondhand citizens around the facility.
  73. 2:44The way that we couldn't do anything on
  74. 2:46the road, all the six feet of
  75. 2:48distancing that Fouchy in his own words
  76. 2:50and his diaries it said was all made up.
  77. 2:53Fouchy chasing the fame. He's a he's an
  78. 2:56absolute my opinion criminal. If you
  79. 2:59read Bobby Kennedy's book about him and
  80. 3:01what he did in the in the 80s around
  81. 3:02AIDS, if you watch Dallas Buyers Club,
  82. 3:04do you know who the villain was in that
  83. 3:06movie? Dr. Anthony Fouchy. If Bobby
  84. 3:08Kennedy said any lies now, don't you
  85. 3:10think he'd be sued for liel?
  86. 3:12But it goes through the entire history
  87. 3:14of what he's done as the highest paid,
  88. 3:17you know, government worker. And I'm
  89. 3:20here on the phone with uh with the head
  90. 3:24doctor at the NFL, and he's calling me a
  91. 3:26conspiracy theorist. When I when I asked
  92. 3:28him I asked him, "Hey, uh you know, if
  93. 3:32you get the vax, can you contract or uh
  94. 3:35or spread the disease?" He said, "No." I
  95. 3:36said, 'Well, tell me this then, doc. Day
  96. 3:39one I get here, five scouts are out with
  97. 3:41CO, all fully vaxed. How'd that happen?
  98. 3:45And he called me he called me a
  99. 3:47conspiracy theorist. And that was like
  100. 3:49the end of the It was like the end of
  101. 3:50the appeal at that point when I'm like,
  102. 3:52"Okay, so you don't actually give a
  103. 3:53about this?" When literally so many guys
  104. 3:55on our team had fake vacax cards.
  105. 3:59>> So many guys. And and rightfully so.
  106. 4:01Have you ever heard of the Tuskegee
  107. 4:03experiment?
  108. 4:04And do you not think that everybody
  109. 4:06should have a healthy skepticism about
  110. 4:08the pharmaceutical industry when you
  111. 4:10learn about the the FDA and the CDC and
  112. 4:14their relationship and the uh where the
  113. 4:18funding comes from those organizations
  114. 4:20and the NIH and all these alphabet
  115. 4:23gangster agencies who make policies
  116. 4:25about our our health every single day
  117. 4:27and our livelihood and our privacy. You
  118. 4:28should have a healthy skepticism,
  119. 4:30especially if you're black.
  120. 4:31>> Yeah.
  121. 4:32>> Mhm. I mean what they just learn about
  122. 4:35the Tuskegee experiment what they did
  123. 4:36and just and and think is this the first
  124. 4:38time they've done this or would they
  125. 4:40have done other things like that go into
  126. 4:42Fouch's history about all the crazy
  127. 4:43experiments they were doing on beagles
  128. 4:46not to mention 2014 when they moved all
  129. 4:48the gain of function research out of the
  130. 4:50states out of University of North
  131. 4:52Carolina to labs like Wuhan lab
  132. 4:56>> and every conspiracy you know what the
  133. 4:58difference between a conspiracy and the
  134. 4:59truth is time every conspiracy that we
  135. 5:03were getting people like me getting
  136. 5:05ridiculed for. It's all been proven
  137. 5:06true.
  138. 5:07>> Kennedy assassination, right? We were
  139. 5:08told that was one thing that we found
  140. 5:10out years later it was the conspiracy
  141. 5:11was actually to be the truth, right?
  142. 5:12That it didn't happen the way it was.
  143. 5:14So, it's been years like that. It's
  144. 5:15always
  145. 5:15>> it's like you shouldn't trust the
  146. 5:16government. They actually and you
  147. 5:18shouldn't the government's a uni party.
  148. 5:20Like I was saying, is they want to pin
  149. 5:21me as, you know, like the right didn't
  150. 5:23like me because I played golf with
  151. 5:25Obama. And then then they think because
  152. 5:27I'm a, you know, antivax that I'm like a
  153. 5:30right-wing conspiracy theorist, you
  154. 5:32know, Trumper. And I'm like, first of
  155. 5:34all, I don't trust anybody in politics,
  156. 5:38maybe Ron Paul,
  157. 5:40but it's all the uni party. It's one
  158. 5:44party. They don't give a about
  159. 5:47regular people. They just keep doing the
  160. 5:49same policies. You know, everybody was
  161. 5:51cheering on ICE when Obama was in and uh
  162. 5:54Tom Holman, I think his name is or
  163. 5:56whatever his name is, who's the head of
  164. 5:58ICE or running that whole operation. He
  165. 6:00worked for Obama. They like them. They
  166. 6:02were deporting people. Then Trump gets
  167. 6:04on off in office and they're all, you
  168. 6:06know, racist. And then those guys are,
  169. 6:08you know, not wear they're wearing masks
  170. 6:10now, which is super weird. And Trump
  171. 6:12gets into office running on all these
  172. 6:14policies. you know, he's going to go
  173. 6:16after the swamp and go into Fort Knox
  174. 6:18and cut the vaccine stuff and not go
  175. 6:20into foreign wars and end the Ukraine
  176. 6:23stuff and what what's what's actually
  177. 6:24happened and transparency in the Epstein
  178. 6:26files.
  179. 6:27>> That's the biggest one.
  180. 6:28>> Absolutely nothing.
  181. 6:29>> Yeah.
  182. 6:29>> And I was actually excited cuz you know
  183. 6:32that uh Cash Patel, he goes on
  184. 6:36Rogan, which I watch a lot cuz I like
  185. 6:39Joe and Joe's a friend. And he says day
  186. 6:41one we're going we're opening up the
  187. 6:42Epstein files. There's been nothing but
  188. 6:45the obstruction of transparency with
  189. 6:47this entire administration. Anybody who
  190. 6:49even liked Trump or thought that things
  191. 6:51would change
  192. 6:52>> like this is a pro-Israel
  193. 6:56first or administration. And when you
  194. 6:59dig into it, that's the uni party. It's
  195. 7:02how many members of commerce of Congress
  196. 7:05are sponsored by Apac?
  197. 7:08>> Maybe.
  198. 7:08>> So all the there's no MAGA movement.
  199. 7:11There's no make America great again
  200. 7:13movement
  201. 7:14because the guy you elected hasn't done
  202. 7:17any of his campaign promises and it just
  203. 7:19realizes you think something's going to
  204. 7:21actually change. You know, in in the
  205. 7:24when Obama's president, you think that
  206. 7:26everybody's like, "Oh, there's going to
  207. 7:27be hope and change for a better world."
  208. 7:30Like, is anything in the black community
  209. 7:32gotten significantly better? No.
  210. 7:34>> Is anybody better off? Did the
  211. 7:36Affordable Care Act make a a major
  212. 7:38difference in the world besides being an
  213. 7:41extra tax, you know, for the rich? Is
  214. 7:43health care that much better in this
  215. 7:45country? And then Trump's going to come
  216. 7:47in and drain the swamp and do something
  217. 7:49and nothing happens and nothing changes.
  218. 7:51Then they roll out that old bag of
  219. 7:53bones. That was a wild four years.
  220. 7:55[laughter] And then you just bring back
  221. 7:57in the, you know, the guy from the TV
  222. 8:00show who's going to, okay, now he's
  223. 8:02really, this is second administration.
  224. 8:03Now he's really going to change things.
  225. 8:06Politics is a total sham.
  226. 8:08>> Remember he had the influencers go there
  227. 8:09where he gave they gave them the fake
  228. 8:12they're holding them up and like that
  229. 8:13total thing never got it. Never got
  230. 8:14anything in there and that that was my
  231. 8:16biggest issue with it is they said first
  232. 8:17day in office I'm going to release the
  233. 8:18Epstein files and we've all been waiting
  234. 8:20for
  235. 8:20>> this is a big sc. The whole thing the
  236. 8:22whole politics is a crazy sigh up. If
  237. 8:24voting actually mattered they wouldn't
  238. 8:25let you do it. That's the that's the
  239. 8:26truth of it. I don't know if Mark Twain
  240. 8:28said that. Somebody George Carlin
  241. 8:30probably would have said that for sure.
  242. 8:32>> But it's like George Carlin is way ahead
  243. 8:34of his time. He'd be incredible in this
  244. 8:36time.
  245. 8:37>> But he said there's a big
  246. 8:39>> quote
  247. 8:39>> and you ain't in it.
  248. 8:41>> Yep. You ain't a part of it.
  249. 8:42>> You ain't a part of it. And that's the
  250. 8:44truth. So we should be skeptical of all
  251. 8:46of it. Everything they say to us.
  252. 8:48>> So does it make you hesitant? Sorry to
  253. 8:49interrupt you. Does it make you hesitant
  254. 8:50to question things because you know
  255. 8:52you're getting so much for it. So you
  256. 8:53could question it in your own personal
  257. 8:55stuff. Why do people people the people
  258. 8:56that don't that don't like me, right?
  259. 8:59Outside of the Detroit, Chicago, and
  260. 9:00Minnesota fans who have a distaste for
  261. 9:02me because of my time in Green Bay,
  262. 9:04[laughter]
  263. 9:04>> the majority of it's rooted in the the
  264. 9:06vaccine.
  265. 9:07>> Yeah.
  266. 9:07>> Cuz 85% of the population got it. And
  267. 9:10they didn't realize this is a scop. This
  268. 9:12is bow warfare. And that they're just
  269. 9:15testing to see how compliant you would
  270. 9:17be. I live in California right in the
  271. 9:19offseason, right? They were blocking off
  272. 9:22lookout points where you can pull your
  273. 9:24car off on the side of the road and look
  274. 9:26out at the ocean or look out at the
  275. 9:28mountains. They were arresting surfers.
  276. 9:31What if any of that had to do with
  277. 9:33public safety? Are you kidding me? It
  278. 9:36was all about what can we get away with?
  279. 9:40And [laughter]
  280. 9:41I can go on and on about just the the
  281. 9:43absolute fraud, you know, that that was
  282. 9:46going on and and the SCOP, but I mean,
  283. 9:49you had you had governors all over the
  284. 9:51place eating burgers and giving out
  285. 9:53crispy cream donuts for vaccinations and
  286. 9:56fast food places, which are so healthy
  287. 9:58for you, where the were the were, you
  288. 10:00know, the stores that were deemed, you
  289. 10:02know, uh what was the word they were
  290. 10:04using at the time? like uh it was
  291. 10:06important for it to be open at the time,
  292. 10:08but you're shutting down churches.
  293. 10:10You're shutting down businesses.
  294. 10:11>> You're shutting down
  295. 10:12>> you're shutting down schools except for
  296. 10:14Gavin Newsome's kids and go in person.
  297. 10:16You're shutting down
  298. 10:17>> you're shutting down restaurants. How
  299. 10:18many restaurants
  300. 10:19>> closed all over the world especially in
  301. 10:21this country in some of our greatest
  302. 10:23cities that just closed and will never
  303. 10:24reopen because of this idea that you
  304. 10:27know we were endangering each other
  305. 10:29through this. But then this vaccine, you
  306. 10:31know, Joe Biden, you're gonna all the
  307. 10:33nonvax are gonna have a winner of death
  308. 10:35and, you know, coming up and it's like
  309. 10:38we live through that. We live through a
  310. 10:40multi- trillion dollar worldwide SCOP
  311. 10:44meant to see how much they can control
  312. 10:45us. And that's why people dislike me
  313. 10:47because I don't give a I'm going
  314. 10:48to tell the truth. And the difference
  315. 10:51between a conspiracy and the truth is
  316. 10:53time.
  317. 10:54>> And six years have passed now. And how
  318. 10:56many people I can I was thinking about
  319. 10:57this the other day in my car. It's like
  320. 10:59I don't know one person that's that was
  321. 11:01unvaxed that ever says, "Man, I wish I
  322. 11:04would have got that." I know a ton of
  323. 11:05people that I've talked to that actually
  324. 11:08have a spine and integrity who go, "Man,
  325. 11:10I wish I hadn't got that." The majority
  326. 11:12of those people are not just people that
  327. 11:14were like, "Oh, I just believe the
  328. 11:15government." The majority of those
  329. 11:17people were told, "Get this shot, which
  330. 11:19we have zero
  331. 11:21>> research on, testing, placebo testing,
  332. 11:24nothing, or you lose your job."
  333. 11:27That's what they were told.
  334. 11:28>> You can't travel. You can't travel. You
  335. 11:30can't go out. You can't do anything. You
  336. 11:31can't go see your family.
  337. 11:32>> But a lot of it was you can't have your
  338. 11:33job.
  339. 11:34>> Yeah.
  340. 11:34>> I mean, what they did in NovakJokovich,
  341. 11:36I was watching Novak last night and I
  342. 11:38was disappointed. He wasn't feeling
  343. 11:39good. Didn't play good. But I went to
  344. 11:42the US Open when I was um up there in
  345. 11:45Jersey and
  346. 11:47I'm watching him and the year he won. It
  347. 11:49was like 20 2023 I think he won. And the
  348. 11:54last match, I I went to a semi-final,
  349. 11:56but the last match
  350. 11:59they he finishes the match and it's like
  351. 12:02now we're going to show you the Madna
  352. 12:04shot of the match. [laughter] I took a
  353. 12:07picture. I got a lot of heat from the
  354. 12:08from the Jets PR, but I took a picture
  355. 12:10of Novak hitting and literally there's a
  356. 12:13Madna like one of the sponsors in the
  357. 12:15side right there and I just took a red
  358. 12:17line you can do on your photos on my
  359. 12:18Instagram and just like put a line
  360. 12:20through it. I'm like, this person, one
  361. 12:22of the healthiest guys in the world, was
  362. 12:23literally kicked out of Australia for
  363. 12:25not being vaxed when he contracted COVID
  364. 12:27and couldn't play in a tournament. I
  365. 12:29mean, what are we talking about?
  366. 12:30>> Yeah.
  367. 12:30>> But like, why are you still talking
  368. 12:31about CO? Why? Because of a SCOP that
  369. 12:34closed businesses that killed people
  370. 12:35that that you couldn't go to your uh
  371. 12:37your friends and your relatives like
  372. 12:40funerals or see them at the hospital or
  373. 12:42be around your loved ones and then it
  374. 12:44was you were ostracized. You were called
  375. 12:46a bunch of crazy names. I mean, how many
  376. 12:48Hollywood actors, the genius in
  377. 12:50Hollywood were saying they should round
  378. 12:52up nonvax and put them in concentration
  379. 12:54camps or kill them or not, you know,
  380. 12:56Jimmy Kimmel said, you know, uh, non-vax
  381. 13:00person with a heart attack. No, don't
  382. 13:02treat them. Treat these other people
  383. 13:04first at the hospital. They've been
  384. 13:05saying this all the statements, the
  385. 13:06embarrassing Steven Colbear vaccine,
  386. 13:09like one of the dumbest late night
  387. 13:11sketches of all time. you know, late
  388. 13:13night just went to Obviously, the
  389. 13:15last few years once uh Leno, Conan and
  390. 13:17and Letterman retired, but it's like the
  391. 13:19just propaganda that was puppeted every
  392. 13:22single day. You turn on news, mostly
  393. 13:24CNN, and you'd see the you know, do you
  394. 13:26remember this? The uh cases and deaths
  395. 13:29and this like rolling timeline
  396. 13:31supposedly.
  397. 13:32>> It's just crazy. And we made through it.
  398. 13:35We made it through it. All of us who
  399. 13:36were supposed to die unvaxed made it
  400. 13:38through it. But I I lost as much as most
  401. 13:43as anybody. May, you know, I lost
  402. 13:45obviously any goodwill in the media
  403. 13:49because, you know, they're all run by
  404. 13:50the same people.
  405. 13:51>> Um, no sponsors, zero sponsors.
  406. 13:56Um,
  407. 13:57reputation.
  408. 14:00>> Not many other people suffered the same
  409. 14:02stuff. Now I'm just like,
  410. 14:04"Go yourself. Don't be like you can
  411. 14:07have all that, but you got to stand for
  412. 14:10something in this time." And and for me
  413. 14:12it was that and they just told, "Oh,
  414. 14:13he's a liar. He lied to his
  415. 14:14teammates." No, not at all. I said
  416. 14:17literally the line that was the crux of
  417. 14:19my appeal. There was no followup. There
  418. 14:21was no nothing. Everybody in the
  419. 14:23building knew from day one, I am not
  420. 14:24vaxed. Go yourself.
  421. 14:26>> Yeah. Literally to the point of it was
  422. 14:29tense conversations with people in the
  423. 14:31organization who were like, "What if
  424. 14:33they find out?" I'm like, "I don't care
  425. 14:34if they find out." Well, you supposed to
  426. 14:35wear a mask. I'm like, "You're telling
  427. 14:38me I'm standing at the podium for my
  428. 14:39daily media on Wednesdays. There's 20
  429. 14:43media members sitting 30 ft away from
  430. 14:45me."
  431. 14:45>> Y'all did that? We had to do like Zooms.
  432. 14:48>> Well, at the beginning there was it was
  433. 14:50it was live. Then we went to
  434. 14:52>> and they're all masked up and they're
  435. 14:54all vaxed.
  436. 14:56And tell me again how an unvaxed person
  437. 14:58is dangerous to a vaxed person.
  438. 15:01Make it make sense. Okay. I am dangerous
  439. 15:03because uh I could give you a disease
  440. 15:06that you were vaccinated for which is
  441. 15:08supposed to prevent you acquiring that
  442. 15:10disease. How does that make sense?
  443. 15:11[laughter]
  444. 15:12>> So what do most people get wrong about
  445. 15:14you then?
  446. 15:15>> I mean it's that and it you know it's
  447. 15:17that for sure.
  448. 15:19Well, wrong. They they they have their
  449. 15:21opinions based on that. I think, you
  450. 15:23know, I had two teammates who spoke out
  451. 15:24about me years ago. Um, two teammates
  452. 15:28out of all the people that ever played
  453. 15:30with me that didn't have a great
  454. 15:32experience with me.
  455. 15:33>> One was bitter because he went to
  456. 15:34another team and never became a player
  457. 15:36again.
  458. 15:37And the other was uh just not a smart
  459. 15:41person. That one hurt me more than the
  460. 15:44other one because I spent so much time
  461. 15:45with that guy. I mean, literally the
  462. 15:46night before games, I would be up in his
  463. 15:48room for an hour helping him with the
  464. 15:49plan, checks, everything I was going to
  465. 15:51do. I went above and beyond for this
  466. 15:52guy. Um, but both of them, no one cares
  467. 15:56about what they have to say, which is
  468. 15:57for most people at this point in my
  469. 15:58life. No one cares what they have to say
  470. 16:00until they use my name.
  471. 16:03>> You know, I dated two women uh who
  472. 16:06nobody gives a about unless they drop my
  473. 16:08name and they like to say, you know,
  474. 16:10their version of the history of what
  475. 16:12actually happened. And so I'm just this
  476. 16:14like, you know, monster of a, you know,
  477. 16:18partner and it's just horit.
  478. 16:21>> And number one, why you still talking
  479. 16:22about me? It's been years. You know,
  480. 16:25like I dated Danica and uh she had just
  481. 16:30retired. She was depressed and not fun
  482. 16:35to be around. But I didn't leave her
  483. 16:37because I was trying to be there and be
  484. 16:39a good partner. Then it was going a
  485. 16:41certain direction. Obviously, there was
  486. 16:43no intimacy. It was nothing. And I'm
  487. 16:47buying a house in in uh in Malibu. And
  488. 16:49she goes, "Well, do you want to buy it
  489. 16:51together?" And I said, "No." She said,
  490. 16:53"Well, you know what that means then?" I
  491. 16:54said, "Yeah, that's the way things are
  492. 16:56going." She said, "Well, let's get
  493. 16:57counseling." So, then we got counseling.
  494. 16:58And then what happened? Then co hit
  495. 17:00>> and we're stuck together. So she tells a
  496. 17:02story that I like, you know, totally uh,
  497. 17:04you know, so blindsided by, you know,
  498. 17:07getting left by you and there, you know,
  499. 17:09there's blood that he leaves a trail of
  500. 17:11blood around. I'm like,
  501. 17:13>> what are you talking about? [laughter]
  502. 17:15That is not what happened by any means.
  503. 17:18Now,
  504. 17:19>> I I must digress a tad. I met my wife in
  505. 17:222017, and at the time
  506. 17:25>> Wait, does she exist? cuz that was
  507. 17:27another
  508. 17:27>> Yeah. I mean, [laughter]
  509. 17:29>> I had to say cuz I'm saying a lot of
  510. 17:32people act like you don't have a wife
  511. 17:34and it's all made up and I'm just
  512. 17:36>> like, how do you deal with that? I don't
  513. 17:38care about anything.
  514. 17:39>> Okay.
  515. 17:39>> I don't.
  516. 17:40>> Yeah.
  517. 17:40>> Like would that be would that be a thing
  518. 17:43if I had been a good soldier and been
  519. 17:45fully vaccinated?
  520. 17:47>> That's actually a fair question. Would
  521. 17:50people be these? Would these Would these
  522. 17:52exes Would these teammates would anybody
  523. 17:55would they have a platform if it wasn't
  524. 17:57invogue to like rip on the nonvaxed, you
  525. 18:00know, emized guy who lied to his
  526. 18:02teammates and his organization. It's all
  527. 18:05But in 2017, I met my wife and
  528. 18:07at the time she was leaving the states
  529. 18:09and going back to Europe. And my biggest
  530. 18:11regret is not begging her to stay or
  531. 18:13just like
  532. 18:15>> proposing right there.
  533. 18:16>> Yeah. because that sent me into a tail
  534. 18:18spin of like,
  535. 18:20you know, I was what can I be accused of
  536. 18:22as a as a a partner in a relationship?
  537. 18:25Like
  538. 18:26I was emotionally unavailable, I think,
  539. 18:28for those those seven or eight years
  540. 18:30because I'd met the person that changed
  541. 18:32my life. And after that, I just poured
  542. 18:35everything I had into football.
  543. 18:37>> And I think I got a lot out of that for
  544. 18:39sure. But I knew I was supposed to be
  545. 18:42with this one person and I couldn't. We
  546. 18:43were separated by an ocean for a lot of
  547. 18:45it. Then, you know, she was engaged. Uh
  548. 18:49then, you know, I got engaged and and uh
  549. 18:53luckily for me, we came back together.
  550. 18:56But the other part of that, so there's
  551. 18:58that, you know, Danica with her story of
  552. 19:00like a trail of blood and blindsided by
  553. 19:03me, you know, leaving her when it's
  554. 19:05like, all right, there's zero intimacy.
  555. 19:06Uh we didn't didn't I didn't want to buy
  556. 19:09a house. You didn't want to have any any
  557. 19:11attachments. And uh there was really
  558. 19:15nothing there. And then
  559. 19:16>> I date Shayen. And again, I feel like
  560. 19:21this needs to be told because
  561. 19:24there's just narrows out there.
  562. 19:25>> Yeah.
  563. 19:26>> Which by the way, you know, forever. The
  564. 19:28other thing people hit me on all the
  565. 19:30time was he's such a even his family
  566. 19:33hates him.
  567. 19:34>> Nobody knew anything that was going on
  568. 19:36with it. And I decided that I didn't
  569. 19:39want to play this out in the media
  570. 19:40because I didn't think that was right.
  571. 19:42Now, other members of my family would
  572. 19:43say things whether the intent was to
  573. 19:46harm. Couple times it was by a few of
  574. 19:48them. Couple times they didn't really
  575. 19:49know what was going on.
  576. 19:52They didn't know what it would be like
  577. 19:53to have a son who was super famous. I
  578. 19:56didn't know what it' be like after the
  579. 19:58Super Bowl to be super famous in the way
  580. 19:59that I was and how that changes
  581. 20:01relationships
  582. 20:02>> and the relationships dissolved.
  583. 20:04>> Now full circle, they're back together.
  584. 20:06M
  585. 20:06>> it's amazing. It's been great to have
  586. 20:08all those people, my little brother and
  587. 20:11my older brother and his family and my
  588. 20:14parents. That's been really really
  589. 20:16special.
  590. 20:16>> How'd that come about?
  591. 20:18>> Well, can I I'll get that. [laughter]
  592. 20:19But it's like that's again like it
  593. 20:21that's another
  594. 20:23>> knock against so after that what are you
  595. 20:24going to say about me? No, actually
  596. 20:26we're good, right? We spend a lot of
  597. 20:28time together.
  598. 20:28>> Mhm.
  599. 20:29>> But the other one is like I'm this
  600. 20:31terrible like partner. Obviously I have
  601. 20:32a fake wife. Um, [laughter]
  602. 20:35>> so I just want to I just want to say
  603. 20:37this like um
  604. 20:38>> you know then I date Shayen and I
  605. 20:41propose and she says yes. Now she uh
  606. 20:45maybe felt like she was forced to make a
  607. 20:47decision. She could have said no. Um but
  608. 20:50not a couple days after that she tells
  609. 20:53me
  610. 20:54you know before we get married I got to
  611. 20:56go this guy.
  612. 20:59And I'm like, cuz her story is that I
  613. 21:02ruined her life and gave her a crazy
  614. 21:05depression because I left her. But the
  615. 21:06actuality is she told me that then she
  616. 21:08took off the ring by March. So I
  617. 21:10proposed in December, took out the ring
  618. 21:12by March. And we had a couple times
  619. 21:14where we tried to, you know, get
  620. 21:16reunited and nothing ever happened. And
  621. 21:18there wasn't even a relationship in 22
  622. 21:19to break off. She literally told me, "I
  623. 21:22don't want to be with you."
  624. 21:24>> After we tried to have some sort of
  625. 21:25reconciliation in 2021. So, I'm like,
  626. 21:28there's just a lot of narratives out
  627. 21:29there that are just not true, you know,
  628. 21:32and they portray things a certain way
  629. 21:33because I can get away with it. Cuz if
  630. 21:35you say my name
  631. 21:36>> Mhm.
  632. 21:37>> like all due respect, that is due. When
  633. 21:40you say all due respect, there's that
  634. 21:42word do,
  635. 21:43>> right?
  636. 21:44>> Yeah.
  637. 21:44>> Which that's the big part of it. Like
  638. 21:46how much is actually due based on what's
  639. 21:48been said.
  640. 21:49>> No one knows what they're doing.
  641. 21:51>> Their the height of their their fame was
  642. 21:55when they were with me.
  643. 21:57those they get clicks when they say my
  644. 21:59name just like the idiots on TV get
  645. 22:01clicks when they say my name because I
  646. 22:02am a lightning rod because people
  647. 22:04actually give because there is a silent
  648. 22:06majority that's like I like this guy he
  649. 22:08stands for something there's the group
  650. 22:10of people that are like I like the old
  651. 22:12guys I pull for the old guys that's how
  652. 22:13I feel watching you know the Steph
  653. 22:15Curry's of the world or or the uh you
  654. 22:17know the older guys in the NHL you know
  655. 22:20with the three awesome guys we have here
  656. 22:22in Pittsburgh and Latang Gino and uh and
  657. 22:24Sid like I pull for the older Like, so
  658. 22:26there's that there's that group that's
  659. 22:28silent for the most part because
  660. 22:29[clears throat] if you if you come out
  661. 22:31and you say, "I like that guy. Oh, he's
  662. 22:33a liar. He's a racist. He's a MAGA.
  663. 22:35He's, you know,
  664. 22:37you know, he's a tinfoil hat wearer cuz
  665. 22:40he believes in conspiracies." And it's
  666. 22:42like, so those people aren't out there.
  667. 22:44But when I say what I said on Pat McAfee
  668. 22:46Show
  669. 22:46>> Mhm.
  670. 22:47>> I can't even tell you. Maybe it's a
  671. 22:49conservative campus. Uh, you know, but
  672. 22:54all the workers at St. Norbert's pulled
  673. 22:56me aside in their own way and said,
  674. 22:58"Thank you so much for what you said.
  675. 23:00>> Thank you for talking about Fouchy.
  676. 23:01Thank you for standing up for us." And
  677. 23:03that's how I felt when they sent a
  678. 23:05stoogge out to Green Bay in 2020 and he
  679. 23:09was 2021 and he was talking about you
  680. 23:11got to get vaccinated, here's the data
  681. 23:13on getting vaccinated, blah blah blah
  682. 23:16blah blah. And I just started asking
  683. 23:18questions. We were sitting six feet of
  684. 23:19separation in in the creek. It's already
  685. 23:21an absolute joke. And I started asking
  686. 23:23him questions. Question. I only want to
  687. 23:25ask him questions to the point of the
  688. 23:27team president, Mark Murphy, had to shut
  689. 23:28it down. He goes, "All right, let's uh
  690. 23:30we're kind of done." I walked out of
  691. 23:31that meeting and every scout,
  692. 23:35everybody with his spine in the scouting
  693. 23:37department, uh, and coaching staff and
  694. 23:40everybody had been forced cuz all those
  695. 23:41people were forced to get back. There
  696. 23:42was no like options. And it wasn't like
  697. 23:44they I don't think I maybe they did
  698. 23:47didn't have the access that maybe the
  699. 23:49players did to fake fact cards, but they
  700. 23:51all said thank you for that. So there's
  701. 23:52a silent majority that actually like
  702. 23:54appreciates that someone's willing to
  703. 23:55stand up and say stuff because
  704. 23:57>> honestly there were a lot of cowards who
  705. 23:58didn't say anything who could have.
  706. 24:00>> There were a lot of guys who whose
  707. 24:02platform is built on health and wellness
  708. 24:04who I know for sure didn't get vaxed who
  709. 24:06didn't say anything.
  710. 24:07>> So I was out there catching strays fine.
  711. 24:09I was loud about it. I wasing hurt about
  712. 24:12the way I went down and I didn't like
  713. 24:14the attacks. I didn't like all these
  714. 24:15media people where I thought my friends
  715. 24:17turned their back on me. But it's like I
  716. 24:19was right about that. These other
  717. 24:21narratives by my exes are not rooted in
  718. 24:23truth at all. You know, they portray me
  719. 24:25and they're piggybacking on you. Tell
  720. 24:27number one, stop talking about me. It's
  721. 24:28been years, 5 years. What are you
  722. 24:29talking about? You're not relevant.
  723. 24:31>> Like, like, stop talking about me. Move
  724. 24:33on with your life. Like, live your life.
  725. 24:35>> Also, two, you're lying about what
  726. 24:37actually happened. Like I was actually a
  727. 24:39good partner, Danica, and but yeah, I
  728. 24:42didn't want to buy any house with you
  729. 24:43and I didn't see a long-term future.
  730. 24:45Okay. I don't wish you any harm unless
  731. 24:47you're, you know, throwing spells and
  732. 24:49shade my way.
  733. 24:50>> Mhm.
  734. 24:50>> Uh and Shay, like you left me. You took
  735. 24:54the ring off. Like what are we talking
  736. 24:55about? I ruined your life. Like just
  737. 24:57stop with the narratives. Time to move
  738. 24:58on. Move on with your life. Don't
  739. 25:00mention me. And that's how it goes for
  740. 25:02all these people, you know, who who have
  741. 25:04issues with me. uh especially the two
  742. 25:07past teammates. Like
  743. 25:09if you're only relevant when you're
  744. 25:10mentioning my name, like you should
  745. 25:12check yourself. And there's a lot of
  746. 25:13terrible people on TV that get clicks
  747. 25:16out of it. And also ESPN is really
  748. 25:19scared.
  749. 25:20>> Why? Because I can speak up and speak my
  750. 25:23mind. And that McAfee thing rattled
  751. 25:24their feathers because I didn't just say
  752. 25:26that on McAfee show who is honestly I
  753. 25:30love Pat and he's done more for that
  754. 25:31network than any other horrible show
  755. 25:33they have on there that they think is
  756. 25:35[laughter] they should pay those guys
  757. 25:36doing it. But I also said you're a
  758. 25:38gutless organization
  759. 25:39>> because they haven't said anything. They
  760. 25:43spend so much time on certain issues but
  761. 25:45you won't you won't talk one second
  762. 25:48about the Diane Rini situation. What
  763. 25:50just happened? Uh let's see. uh the
  764. 25:52owner of this the Niners.
  765. 25:54>> Yeah.
  766. 25:54>> Uh listed a prostitute for $140 in in
  767. 25:58Ohio.
  768. 25:58>> That literally was the number one topic
  769. 26:01when you click on ESPN.com, right? They
  770. 26:03will rotate the eight stories or
  771. 26:04whatever they have, but they usually
  772. 26:06have like the one story that's featured.
  773. 26:07That was the featured story. So, you
  774. 26:09bring in how many millions of eyes to
  775. 26:11that situation. Why do you want to throw
  776. 26:13Jed York under the bus? I don't know.
  777. 26:16But does that have the same effect as uh
  778. 26:20a reporter who's uh you know has
  779. 26:23intimate relations with a coach who has
  780. 26:26a vote for MVP, has a vote for coach of
  781. 26:28the year. I don't know if she's on the
  782. 26:30Hall of Fame or not, but
  783. 26:32>> there's voting stuff. Uh there was the
  784. 26:34thing about Morgan Moses going from the
  785. 26:35Jets to the New England that was posted
  786. 26:37a day early. How many other inside stuff
  787. 26:39was shared? There are a lot of insiders
  788. 26:41out there. Yeah.
  789. 26:42>> Do they all have strong integrity?
  790. 26:46I don't know. But the fact that ESPN
  791. 26:48spent zero time on that story, but Jed
  792. 26:50Jed York gets popped in San Fran, it's
  793. 26:52literally on the top of their of their
  794. 26:54role right now. That's hypocrisy.
  795. 26:55>> Do you have a reason why you think they
  796. 26:57didn't cover that story?
  797. 26:58>> Yeah.
  798. 26:58>> What do you think it is?
  799. 26:59>> I think there's a lot more to it.
  800. 27:01>> So, it's deeper. Like the relationship
  801. 27:03may have been longer.
  802. 27:03>> The NFL is going to protect the Shield
  803. 27:05and I I respect that, but they're going
  804. 27:08to do by all means necessary.
  805. 27:11>> And that's an NFL partner now. They just
  806. 27:12bought the NFL Network. So they're Yeah,
  807. 27:14they're clearly
  808. 27:15>> taking the words out of my mouth. They
  809. 27:16got to be very very careful.
  810. 27:17>> Yeah.
  811. 27:18>> Now, let's move on to your family.
  812. 27:21How did that come about? How did it go
  813. 27:23about reconciliation? And
  814. 27:25>> but there's there's been a there's been
  815. 27:27a few things that have happened the last
  816. 27:28couple years, which has made the idea of
  817. 27:30reconciling with my parents first um an
  818. 27:33opportunity.
  819. 27:34>> I will say just before you get into it,
  820. 27:36I got to meet your dad after a game and
  821. 27:38I actually enjoyed. I mean, he was he
  822. 27:40was kind and I I appreciate that. Yeah.
  823. 27:42No, he was excited to meet you. You're
  824. 27:44one of his favorite players. Um he likes
  825. 27:47the old guys, too. You know, he's like
  826. 27:48[laughter] his son's old. He's like he
  827. 27:50wants all the old guys to hang around
  828. 27:51and keep playing, you know. And he likes
  829. 27:53the big guys. I mean, he's he was a
  830. 27:55255lb guard. He played in at Chico State
  831. 27:58University. No longer have a football
  832. 27:59team.
  833. 28:00>> Yeah.
  834. 28:00>> But he was he was one of the big guys.
  835. 28:02>> Um back then 255 was like covid-19
  836. 28:06what would that have been? Uh7s. Yeah.
  837. 28:09>> Yeah. Cool. Um,
  838. 28:12but so there was some some stuff there
  839. 28:14and then uh it just I could tell I was
  840. 28:16coming to a a time where I needed to
  841. 28:19make it right. My parents were uh
  842. 28:22wanting to move to Nashville to be
  843. 28:24closer to their grandkids.
  844. 28:26>> And there was some tragic events that
  845. 28:28happened in Chico that kind of made them
  846. 28:32not feel as tied to it because my mom's
  847. 28:35from Menescino County, Northern
  848. 28:36California. My dad's from Southern
  849. 28:38California. Uh there's an air force base
  850. 28:40down in town called Lomboke. My
  851. 28:42grandfather was in the Air Force. Um so
  852. 28:45he taught there. So but then they both
  853. 28:47met at Chico State. So that was in 19,
  854. 28:50you know, they got married in 80. I
  855. 28:53think they met in 76 maybe. So it's 50
  856. 28:55years, you know, and we moved a couple
  857. 28:57times. But but they were ready to to
  858. 29:00leave, which is crazy. I have 50 years.
  859. 29:01So actually the last day they were in
  860. 29:03Chico was the day I met him at their
  861. 29:05house. the house that I had bought them
  862. 29:07and built for them. And so, again, full
  863. 29:09circle, right? That was it that was a
  864. 29:11cool full full circle moment. Um, and
  865. 29:13then, uh, a couple weeks after that, I
  866. 29:16went out to Nashville and, uh, met with
  867. 29:18my older brother. And a couple weeks
  868. 29:20after that, I met with, uh, my little
  869. 29:22brother. So, it was it was cool. You
  870. 29:25know, there was, uh, tough conversations
  871. 29:27for sure, but, um, I'm just in a much
  872. 29:30better headsp space. And I said it
  873. 29:32before, but my wife deserves a lot of
  874. 29:34the credit for that. Just to be even
  875. 29:36able to to get to that point where I
  876. 29:40could think about having the
  877. 29:40conversation. She was a big part of
  878. 29:42that. And not that she was pushing
  879. 29:43anything. She wasn't. It was more just
  880. 29:46when and I think you guys probably
  881. 29:48relate to this. When you're when you're
  882. 29:50loved by someone in such an
  883. 29:52unconditional and beautiful pure way,
  884. 29:55you know, uh it changes your perspective
  885. 29:58on all your relationships around that.
  886. 30:00you know, that's like it becomes your
  887. 30:01anchor point. It's like,
  888. 30:03>> wow, if I can be made to feel like this
  889. 30:05by this person, like it I feel like it,
  890. 30:10you know, opens up your heart in a
  891. 30:11really deeper way, you know, that I
  892. 30:13never experienced before. And because I
  893. 30:17mean, a year ago, even two years ago, 5
  894. 30:19years ago for sure, I would have said,
  895. 30:21"No, I'm never going to reconcile. It's
  896. 30:22just not going to happen. It's not in
  897. 30:24the cards. I'm uh not ready for that.
  898. 30:27Don't think I ever be. I don't think
  899. 30:28they're ever, you know, it was it was
  900. 30:30really built in judgment, you know, just
  901. 30:32like ego and judgment. And ego and
  902. 30:34judgment gets in the way of basically
  903. 30:35any progress or evolution possible. So,
  904. 30:38I had to really put those those aside,
  905. 30:40you know, and and when the judgment
  906. 30:43disappears, you can actually see your
  907. 30:45parents for who they are, and that's
  908. 30:46flawed people. When you grow up, it's a
  909. 30:48tough thing cuz when you grow up, you're
  910. 30:49like Superman, Superwoman, like can
  911. 30:51never do anything wrong.
  912. 30:52>> Yeah. 100%. Then you then you go through
  913. 30:54those teenage years where there's the
  914. 30:55angst and you're frustrated and they're
  915. 30:56like don't respond to them. And then uh
  916. 30:59and then at some point you go, "Oh, they
  917. 31:01were just like trying to do their best."
  918. 31:04>> Yeah.
  919. 31:04>> No, they made mistakes for sure.
  920. 31:06>> Everybody makes mistakes.
  921. 31:07>> But everyone makes mistakes. And it's
  922. 31:08the judgment of like, okay, now that I'm
  923. 31:11older and and want to start a family,
  924. 31:12it's like,
  925. 31:14>> oh, they really had no idea what the
  926. 31:16they were doing.
  927. 31:17>> None [laughter] of us do though, right?
  928. 31:18None of us do. Like it's
  929. 31:19>> But it's hard. But if if the ego is in
  930. 31:21the way and the judgment's in the way,
  931. 31:22you can't even bring yourself out to
  932. 31:23even think about that. I couldn't and
  933. 31:25that was my that was
  934. 31:26>> the biggest hindrance to doing it. So,
  935. 31:27it's been really beautiful to
  936. 31:29>> to do that. My dad came up to a game.
  937. 31:32>> Hopefully, uh we'll get all of them out.
  938. 31:33I was just talking. It was my brother's
  939. 31:35birthday. Little brother's birthday
  940. 31:36yesterday. He was just in Ireland
  941. 31:37calling a game.
  942. 31:37>> Your little brother's birthday is
  943. 31:38yesterday.
  944. 31:39>> Yeah.
  945. 31:39>> 8:30. Yeah.
  946. 31:40>> My My little brother's birthday is 8:29.
  947. 31:43>> Yeah.
  948. 31:44>> Crazy.
  949. 31:44>> Yeah.
  950. 31:45>> Um you brought up your wife. How did you
  951. 31:48guys meet? We met in 2017. She was
  952. 31:50living in Austin. Uh, and she had gone
  953. 31:54to the University of Texas, which is
  954. 31:55also kind of weird because I hated Texas
  955. 31:58forever [laughter] because of M. Brown
  956. 32:01in 2004 and his
  957. 32:03>> shady uh voting, him and his brother
  958. 32:05Watson in the polls. [laughter]
  959. 32:08So I found out to you know like so then
  960. 32:11my wife went to Austin and then I found
  961. 32:13out my grandfather so my dad's dad who
  962. 32:16was like a war hero he was he was a be
  963. 32:2124 or 52 he was a fighter pilot and he
  964. 32:25was shot down over Hungary and had to
  965. 32:28spend a lot of time in uh P camp and um
  966. 32:34I found out in his uh he did a big
  967. 32:36deposition for like the war criminals
  968. 32:40act or something where he talked about
  969. 32:42the conditions he was in in the in the
  970. 32:44prison ps was wild like a big file. Um
  971. 32:48actually the guy that wrote that book um
  972. 32:51unsolicited really that book about me uh
  973. 32:53he gave me those uh those files but it
  974. 32:56was interesting because I learned more
  975. 32:57about my grandfather and he had gone to
  976. 32:59Texas as well. So, I was like, here's a
  977. 33:01school that I've always disliked.
  978. 33:03Although, I like Vince Young and I had
  979. 33:04him in the QB room for a week or two.
  980. 33:06But,
  981. 33:06>> yeah.
  982. 33:07>> Um,
  983. 33:08>> but never liked Mac Brown. Um, but
  984. 33:11didn't like the the university and then
  985. 33:14my wife went there and my grandfather
  986. 33:15went there. So,
  987. 33:16>> wow.
  988. 33:17>> Um, but then, like I said, she moved
  989. 33:18over back over to Europe and then we
  990. 33:21kept in touch and there were a couple
  991. 33:23times I thought things going to work out
  992. 33:24and then, you know, then she got engaged
  993. 33:27and I was like, "Oh that's that's
  994. 33:29done." And then I got engaged
  995. 33:31and I thought, "Oh, I'm done, too." But
  996. 33:33then, you know, obviously
  997. 33:35she had her own prerogative and took her
  998. 33:37ring off in 3 months. So, [laughter]
  999. 33:39[gasps]
  1000. 33:40>> how'd you end up proposing her
  1001. 33:41>> to my wife?
  1002. 33:42>> Yeah.
  1003. 33:44>> Uh, well, we we eloped.
  1004. 33:47>> Mhm.
  1005. 33:47>> So, it was it was uh it's quick. Um, but
  1006. 33:51I had a little something set up um
  1007. 33:55when I was when I was over there.
  1008. 33:57Surprise for her. That's about all I'm
  1009. 33:59going to say about that. [laughter]
  1010. 34:02>> All right, let's let's switch gears a
  1011. 34:04little bit. Let's talk about your
  1012. 34:05accomplishments.
  1013. 34:06>> Oh, yeah. I know you love to talk about
  1014. 34:08your accomplishments.
  1015. 34:08>> I do not [laughter] talk about my
  1016. 34:10accomplishments.
  1017. 34:10>> You love to talk about your
  1018. 34:11accomplishments. You want to make sure
  1019. 34:13everybody knows how many MVPs.
  1020. 34:15>> I I don't talk about my accomplishments.
  1021. 34:17I won four MVPs. Yeah, [laughter]
  1022. 34:19>> everybody knows that. Do a quick Google
  1023. 34:20search.
  1024. 34:21>> Yeah, come on.
  1025. 34:22>> How many Pro Bowls? I I thought it it it
  1026. 34:26could be way more if I had done, you
  1027. 34:28know, and I'm not going to call out
  1028. 34:29names, but the guys who are the third,
  1029. 34:32fourth alternates that go to the Pro
  1030. 34:33Bowl and somehow get a Pro Bowl nod.
  1031. 34:35>> Do you hate the Pro Bowl because of
  1032. 34:36that? Cuz like doesn't it just take away
  1033. 34:38from
  1034. 34:38>> I was in the last real Pro Bowl.
  1035. 34:42>> 2012 is the beginning of the end. Like
  1036. 34:44the beginning of the end was before that
  1037. 34:45when I played in 20 after the 2009
  1038. 34:47season, it was a it was a real game.
  1039. 34:49Yeah,
  1040. 34:50>> it was we played hard and
  1041. 34:52>> everyone wanted that truck,
  1042. 34:54>> but in 2012
  1043. 34:56it was not. It was the beginning of the
  1044. 34:59end.
  1045. 35:00>> And I was like, "Oh, this is going
  1046. 35:02downhill."
  1047. 35:03But I think I've got 10, but I could
  1048. 35:05have
  1049. 35:06>> I
  1050. 35:06>> quite a few more cuz I was first
  1051. 35:08alternate and they would call me and I
  1052. 35:09would always tell our guys, "Hey, uh,
  1053. 35:11I'm injured. Don't pass me on the
  1054. 35:12physical cuz I want to go to the Pro
  1055. 35:14Bowl if somebody drops out."
  1056. 35:15>> I just crack up though. He's asking you
  1057. 35:16this like he doesn't know every all pro
  1058. 35:18he's got what year he did it.
  1059. 35:19>> He's a big spot rack.
  1060. 35:20>> Oh, he's that NFL reference.
  1061. 35:23>> You know who the big spot
  1062. 35:24>> NFL reference too big time.
  1063. 35:25>> That's a good site though.
  1064. 35:26>> Yeah,
  1065. 35:27>> cuz you've looked at it. [laughter]
  1066. 35:29>> Spot
  1067. 35:31>> cuz TJ and Herb will ask him how much
  1068. 35:33he's made and he
  1069. 35:34>> Oh, they know to the to the scent.
  1070. 35:36>> Of course they do.
  1071. 35:37>> Yeah, I know they know to the scent.
  1072. 35:39>> Um, when you hear about all that, is
  1073. 35:41there one accomplishment that stands out
  1074. 35:43from the others?
  1075. 35:45Super Bowl MVP, Pro Bowls, AllPros.
  1076. 35:50I
  1077. 35:50>> think what I've always wanted to be
  1078. 35:52defined for was
  1079. 35:55uh aggressively calculated
  1080. 35:58>> quarterback play. So, in 2018, I threw
  1081. 36:01like 600 passes and threw two picks,
  1082. 36:03both tipped,
  1083. 36:05but I had a streak.
  1084. 36:07>> Why do you know that [laughter] stat
  1085. 36:08though? That is crazy.
  1086. 36:10>> Buffalo and Chicago.
  1087. 36:13Puyer got the one and Eddie got the
  1088. 36:15other one, I think. Um, but I had a run
  1089. 36:19and you have to look at the exact
  1090. 36:21number, but I had a run that was crazy
  1091. 36:22at home. Like at Lambo, I had like
  1092. 36:26something like 600 plus. I hope it's at
  1093. 36:30least that much. Somewhere between five
  1094. 36:32and 600
  1095. 36:34uh straight passes without interception.
  1096. 36:38>> That's 586 consecutive passes without
  1097. 36:41without interception. 56
  1098. 36:43>> from 2012 to 2015. That is an insane
  1099. 36:45stat. 1,043 days without an inter.
  1100. 36:49>> That is ridiculous. That's insane. 49
  1101. 36:52touchdowns and zero interceptions.
  1102. 36:54>> Pretty good run. That's a very good run.
  1103. 36:56>> That's pretty good. Yeah.
  1104. 36:57>> Your MVP years 2011, 2014, 2020, 2021.
  1105. 37:02>> What's the best version of you as a
  1106. 37:04quarterback?
  1107. 37:07>> Honestly, 2016 was the best version of
  1108. 37:09me.
  1109. 37:09>> 2016. I didn't win MVP. Could have. Matt
  1110. 37:12Ryan won it. They went 14 and two.
  1111. 37:15>> Mhm.
  1112. 37:16>> Um, only because we So, it's 2016. I'm
  1113. 37:20not talking to my family. My brother's
  1114. 37:21in the Bachelorette. I'm getting crushed
  1115. 37:23by unnamed sources in the media. We're 4
  1116. 37:26and six. We just lose to Tennessee. Like
  1117. 37:2945 24 down there.
  1118. 37:30>> Yeah.
  1119. 37:31>> And it was really rough. And then I was
  1120. 37:35thinking about on that Monday like how
  1121. 37:37shitty it was and where it must playoffs
  1122. 37:39and nobody believes and I was like
  1123. 37:43I looked at the schedule Monday night
  1124. 37:45and Tuesday I was looking at the
  1125. 37:46schedule talking about it. I was like we
  1126. 37:49just beat Philly here. I bet we could
  1127. 37:50run the table. And then so I said it on
  1128. 37:53that Wednesday in my press conference
  1129. 37:55and I played some of the best football
  1130. 37:57during that stretch of my career those
  1131. 37:58last six. We weren't a great team, but
  1132. 38:01we won the six in a row to make the
  1133. 38:03playoffs.
  1134. 38:04>> Mhm.
  1135. 38:05>> Then we win the wild card, then we win a
  1136. 38:07divisional round. I mean, like the
  1137. 38:10divisional was against Dallas, who was
  1138. 38:11the one seed.
  1139. 38:13>> Now, we all didn't have a great one in
  1140. 38:16the last game against Atlanta that year,
  1141. 38:17but
  1142. 38:18>> but that was that was a really good run.
  1143. 38:20Now, the best I played start to finish.
  1144. 38:22>> I mean, 2020 was a little bit
  1145. 38:25>> 48 and five is pretty damn good with a
  1146. 38:2770% completion percentage. Little bit
  1147. 38:28unfair.
  1148. 38:29>> Yeah, that's I mean
  1149. 38:31>> that that is that is a stupid year.
  1150. 38:33>> I got all home games.
  1151. 38:35>> Uh
  1152. 38:36>> there was no crowd.
  1153. 38:37>> Oh, cuz there's no crowd. That's a good
  1154. 38:38point. How easy was that? That was we
  1155. 38:40played in Minnesota week one
  1156. 38:42>> and I think we drew them off sides four
  1157. 38:44times in Minnesota. Now you're talking
  1158. 38:45about the hardest places to play in my
  1159. 38:47career, right? Number one, Old
  1160. 38:50Metrodome.
  1161. 38:51>> It was pumped in noise. It was crazy
  1162. 38:54atmosphere. That's number one. Number
  1163. 38:56two, Seahawks
  1164. 38:58>> in Seattle. You can't hear a thing.
  1165. 39:00>> Yeah.
  1166. 39:00>> Right.
  1167. 39:01>> Number three,
  1168. 39:04probably the new Viking stadium, right?
  1169. 39:08>> And we played there. It's super loud.
  1170. 39:11The way it's built, it's not
  1171. 39:12acoustically like perfectly similar to
  1172. 39:15Seattle where it's like whatever they
  1173. 39:17did with the acoustics, it doesn't take
  1174. 39:18a whole lot for you not to be able to
  1175. 39:19have a conversation. Like I remember we
  1176. 39:21played in Oregon, which was I think
  1177. 39:23built by the same design. We played an
  1178. 39:25organ in college and the band was
  1179. 39:27playing and we were in a walkthrough and
  1180. 39:29I couldn't have a conversation with Cam.
  1181. 39:30It was that loud. Just the band was
  1182. 39:31playing. Seattle's like that where it's
  1183. 39:33just like deafening. But Minnesota was
  1184. 39:35like that too. And week one I drew him
  1185. 39:37off sides four times. Zimmer was
  1186. 39:39playing. I don't know. He wasn't
  1187. 39:40pressuring all for some reason. But I
  1188. 39:42threw like for 360 and four touchdowns.
  1189. 39:44I was like, "Oh, this could be a really
  1190. 39:46good year." [laughter]
  1191. 39:48Because the next year I went MVP. We
  1192. 39:50played in uh in Jacksonville week one
  1193. 39:53against the Saints and lost 38 to3.
  1194. 39:56[snorts] Jamus Winston had five
  1195. 39:58touchdowns. Blew us out. We were
  1196. 39:59terrible. [laughter]
  1197. 40:00I was like, "Ah, well, guess I'm not
  1198. 40:02going to win this year." But like you
  1199. 40:05brought up something very interesting.
  1200. 40:07You talked about Matt Ryan winning the
  1201. 40:09MVP in 2016 and you mentioned the
  1202. 40:12record. He was 14-2 that year. Does that
  1203. 40:16play a big stat? I mean, play a big part
  1204. 40:18in winning the MVP.
  1205. 40:20>> I think so. And I think it should.
  1206. 40:22>> You do?
  1207. 40:22>> Yeah.
  1208. 40:23>> Why is that?
  1209. 40:24>> Because
  1210. 40:27when you take care of the football and
  1211. 40:29you give yourself a chance to win, like
  1212. 40:31that should be a part of it. Now, if you
  1213. 40:32have a dominating number one defense and
  1214. 40:34you're not maybe the most dynamic
  1215. 40:37player, I get it.
  1216. 40:38>> Most valuable player though, maybe
  1217. 40:40shouldn't call it most valuable player.
  1218. 40:42>> Mhm. sometimes
  1219. 40:44um best player on the best team is often
  1220. 40:46where it goes.
  1221. 40:47>> I don't think that's wrong either.
  1222. 40:49>> I think it's it's it's part of it. Now,
  1223. 40:51I will say in Yeah, I had a couple near
  1224. 40:54misses, too. Like 2016, right, I was in
  1225. 40:57the mix. 2012, I was definitely in the
  1226. 41:00mix as well.
  1227. 41:01>> Mhm.
  1228. 41:01>> And then we ran into the buzz saw known
  1229. 41:03as Adrien Peterson. [laughter]
  1230. 41:06>> Oh my god. I mean, he deserved to win
  1231. 41:09it. Like I always say like who's the
  1232. 41:11best back you ever seen? Aa a AP.
  1233. 41:13>> Yeah.
  1234. 41:13>> He says that too.
  1235. 41:14>> Yes.
  1236. 41:14>> I mean he was different.
  1237. 41:15>> Yes.
  1238. 41:16>> He could outrun you, run you over and do
  1239. 41:20everything in between. I mean he was
  1240. 41:22when he got going that gallop going.
  1241. 41:24>> That's exactly how you describe it too.
  1242. 41:26The gallop.
  1243. 41:26>> Unbelievable.
  1244. 41:28>> But man, he was incredible. 2012, you
  1245. 41:30know. So that was that was another one
  1246. 41:32could have could have been close.
  1247. 41:34>> What quarterback that does doesn't get
  1248. 41:36enough credit when it comes to history?
  1249. 41:39Well, I think currently Dak Prescott. I
  1250. 41:42like Dak. I'm a big fan of Daks. I would
  1251. 41:45say all time.
  1252. 41:48I mean, there's certain guys that
  1253. 41:50revolutionize the position. I think we
  1254. 41:51need to think about that when we think
  1255. 41:52about the the players that made the
  1256. 41:55biggest impact in the league. I think
  1257. 41:57about going back to Randle Cunningham
  1258. 42:00and Steve Young. You know, Steve for me
  1259. 42:02was like I was a Joe Montana guy, so I
  1260. 42:04had a hard time with Steve in the
  1261. 42:06beginning, but Steve had an incredible
  1262. 42:08career and he he changed the way the
  1263. 42:10position was played, him and Randall.
  1264. 42:12And I think it was because of those guys
  1265. 42:14that a Michael Vic comes along.
  1266. 42:16>> And because of Michael Vic, you get
  1267. 42:18Lamar Jackson.
  1268. 42:18>> Yeah.
  1269. 42:19>> And I think there's these guys that have
  1270. 42:21paved the way that are really important
  1271. 42:23to the fabric of the history of the
  1272. 42:25league. And Steve was one of my favorite
  1273. 42:27players and I've got to know him. He's a
  1274. 42:29he's a great great human being. Michael
  1275. 42:30Vic is awesome. Comes to my charity
  1276. 42:33event every year.
  1277. 42:34>> Thanks for that.
  1278. 42:34>> But I mean, how many guys growing up
  1279. 42:36that are my age play with Michael Vic in
  1280. 42:38Madden,
  1281. 42:39>> bro. Everybody,
  1282. 42:40>> I think he should be a Hall of Famer
  1283. 42:42because of that.
  1284. 42:42>> Yeah,
  1285. 42:43>> because he changed the game.
  1286. 42:44>> He changed the game. 100% 100% changed
  1287. 42:46the game.
  1288. 42:47>> And but I loved the, you know, I love
  1289. 42:49watching Randall growing up, too, cuz
  1290. 42:51Randall could just throw that thing, you
  1291. 42:53know, and he could move around. He was
  1292. 42:54active. But I was always a Niner fan. So
  1293. 42:57I always say Steve, you know, there's
  1294. 42:58like Dan Marino was a really good
  1295. 42:59player. Mhm.
  1296. 43:00>> didn't win. So, he's not kind of treated
  1297. 43:02the same. But I think for anybody like
  1298. 43:04Dan, even myself to some extent, like
  1299. 43:07there's difference between the being the
  1300. 43:09greatest player of your era and
  1301. 43:13greatest winner of your era.
  1302. 43:15[clears throat]
  1303. 43:16>> Yeah.
  1304. 43:17>> You know,
  1305. 43:17>> yeah.
  1306. 43:17>> Like winning is a team sport. Obviously,
  1307. 43:20it takes great quarterback play,
  1308. 43:22>> but the way that the guys you play
  1309. 43:25against talk about you Yeah.
  1310. 43:26>> is most important. Like, who's most
  1311. 43:28difficult to prepare for? And I think
  1312. 43:30that's what and you know Pat's already
  1313. 43:32got like three Super Bowls, but like for
  1314. 43:36I feel like for me I was that guy for a
  1315. 43:39long time that was really hard to deal
  1316. 43:40with when I could really move around and
  1317. 43:42run
  1318. 43:43>> and then Pat came along and it's like
  1319. 43:45well this guy can beat you with his
  1320. 43:46legs, with his arm, with arm angles and
  1321. 43:49doing different things and
  1322. 43:51you know obviously we'd all love to win
  1323. 43:53a ton of Super Bowls but you want to be
  1324. 43:56regarded as the best player.
  1325. 43:59Well, not many guys have your
  1326. 44:00efficiency, too. 1.4 interception
  1327. 44:02percentage all time. The rushing
  1328. 44:04touchdowns. I mean, it it's at your
  1329. 44:06peak, if not the best, one of the best
  1330. 44:09ever. No doubt. Take the titles and the
  1331. 44:10wins out of it. So, you don't think QB a
  1332. 44:12win stat is a QB stat then? Not fair to
  1333. 44:15give that.
  1334. 44:16>> Oh, I don't know. I like those
  1335. 44:17discussions. I'm like, I don't give a
  1336. 44:19about that. [laughter]
  1337. 44:20Like, is a Super Bowl a quarterback's
  1338. 44:22stat? Is a is a win a quarterback's dad?
  1339. 44:24Like
  1340. 44:26>> it seems to be put on y'all's shoulder a
  1341. 44:28lot though, right? They break it down to
  1342. 44:29how how many Super Bowls did the
  1343. 44:30quarterback win. It feels like where I
  1344. 44:31don't think Cam's getting as much of he
  1345. 44:32doesn't have a Super Bowl so he's going
  1346. 44:33to be out of the hole.
  1347. 44:34>> There's a lot of bad quarterbacks that
  1348. 44:35were on good teams and won Super Bowl.
  1349. 44:36>> Yeah.
  1350. 44:37>> There's a lot of guys that had bad
  1351. 44:39performances at Super Bowl.
  1352. 44:40>> Mhm.
  1353. 44:41>> And still won the Super Bowl.
  1354. 44:42>> Mhm.
  1355. 44:42>> There's guys that weren't MVP of Super
  1356. 44:44Bowls at quarterback. Does that go in
  1357. 44:47their cap or not?
  1358. 44:48>> No. They won the Super Bowl.
  1359. 44:50>> They won the Super Bowl. They were a
  1360. 44:51part of it. It's great.
  1361. 44:54But I mean at the same point like
  1362. 44:57you want both.
  1363. 44:58>> Yes.
  1364. 44:58>> Any you want to be the best
  1365. 45:01>> and be the champion.
  1366. 45:02>> Anybody who says differently like Kobe
  1367. 45:04Bryant said this to me like Kobe wanted
  1368. 45:07to be the best.
  1369. 45:09Win a championship. Yeah. That's awesome
  1370. 45:11too.
  1371. 45:11>> But he want to be the best.
  1372. 45:13>> Michael Jordan got both. He was the best
  1373. 45:15and he won the most championships.
  1374. 45:17>> Yeah.
  1375. 45:17>> You know.
  1376. 45:18>> So who are you measuring yourself up
  1377. 45:21against?
  1378. 45:22>> I'm not. I don't care.
  1379. 45:24[laughter]
  1380. 45:25>> He doesn't care. I don't believe that
  1381. 45:27one bit.
  1382. 45:27>> No, I mean
  1383. 45:29I got all the accolades. Let the play do
  1384. 45:31the talking.
  1385. 45:32>> I know how people talk about me. I know
  1386. 45:33a defense coordinator's
  1387. 45:35>> prepared against me.
  1388. 45:36>> I know they're probably happy to not be
  1389. 45:39worrying as much about my legs these
  1390. 45:40days.
  1391. 45:41>> Yeah,
  1392. 45:42>> cuz there was a time I could beat you
  1393. 45:44with my legs.
  1394. 45:45>> I see that.
  1395. 45:45>> I wasn't running for a thousand yards,
  1396. 45:47but I was I was getting out of the
  1397. 45:49pocket making plays.
  1398. 45:50>> You had a few rushing touchdowns last
  1399. 45:51year, though. You still move a little
  1400. 45:53bit.
  1401. 45:53>> One. Hey. Hey. Listen.
  1402. 45:54>> That last one he he made everybody do uh
  1403. 45:57he did everything.
  1404. 45:58>> Mike T. That was one of my favorite
  1405. 46:00things. [laughter]
  1406. 46:01They showed Mike T. He was like doing it
  1407. 46:03a couple times.
  1408. 46:04>> Big third down conversion with your feed
  1409. 46:05too in the Raven game too. Yeah, he made
  1410. 46:07a couple plays.
  1411. 46:08>> I will say when we went to Chicago and
  1412. 46:10you weren't playing, I told TJ, we get a
  1413. 46:13touchdown, you better do the discount
  1414. 46:15double check. And he did it and it went
  1415. 46:18crazy.
  1416. 46:20I hated missing that game with I mean I
  1417. 46:23just could not grip a ball.
  1418. 46:25>> Yeah.
  1419. 46:25>> You know, I wore a cast for like four or
  1420. 46:26five weeks, but I could not grip the
  1421. 46:28ball that week. It was, you know, it was
  1422. 46:316 days after I'd broken it in four
  1423. 46:34spots, but I'm like
  1424. 46:35>> I desperately wanted that was like in
  1425. 46:37the beginning season. It was like, yeah,
  1426. 46:38I wanted to play Green Bay.
  1427. 46:39>> Yeah,
  1428. 46:40>> but it was in Pittsburgh,
  1429. 46:41>> right?
  1430. 46:41>> I could not wait to go back to Soldier
  1431. 46:44Field.
  1432. 46:45>> That would have been
  1433. 46:46>> It just killed me. And the fans were
  1434. 46:48awesome.
  1435. 46:49>> Yeah, it was it was a great environment.
  1436. 46:51>> I love Chicago. I know they hate me. I
  1437. 46:52love Chicago fans.
  1438. 46:54>> Yeah.
  1439. 46:54>> Even when I told them that I own them,
  1440. 46:56it was because everybody in the front
  1441. 46:58row was flipping me off and screaming at
  1442. 47:00me. I was like, but I love that. They
  1443. 47:02are great sports fans.
  1444. 47:04>> Yeah.
  1445. 47:05>> And the interactions were amazing. Like
  1446. 47:07I mean, people were flipping me off in
  1447. 47:08the stands. People like it was I love
  1448. 47:11it.
  1449. 47:11>> What was it part What was it like being
  1450. 47:13part of the AFC North rivalry now?
  1451. 47:15>> It was good. It was really good. You
  1452. 47:16know, it's different. Like it doesn't
  1453. 47:17have the same energy for me just because
  1454. 47:19I grew up with so many of these. I grew
  1455. 47:20up in the league with like playing
  1456. 47:22against Erlacer and Briggs and Peanut
  1457. 47:24Tman in Chicago and playing against
  1458. 47:27>> Vanabos and Sue and Fairley and
  1459. 47:31>> you know all those crazy guys they had
  1460. 47:33there. And then Minnesota was w I mean
  1461. 47:35my first year starting
  1462. 47:36>> they had Pat Williams,
  1463. 47:38>> Kevin Williams,
  1464. 47:38>> Kevin Williams,
  1465. 47:40>> uh
  1466. 47:41>> Jared Allen
  1467. 47:41>> Jared Allen and Edwards I think Edwards.
  1468. 47:44Then you had EJ Henderson, Ben Leieber,
  1469. 47:47Chad Greenway.
  1470. 47:48>> Mhm.
  1471. 47:49>> I mean, they had and uh Antoine Winfield
  1472. 47:52was one of the best,
  1473. 47:54>> you know, outside inside corners that we
  1474. 47:56had seen at that point.
  1475. 47:57>> Yeah.
  1476. 47:57>> You know, like one of, in my opinion,
  1477. 47:58like the three guys that could do it.
  1478. 48:00>> Charles Woodson could do it, Ronda could
  1479. 48:02do it, and Antoine could do it. Like at
  1480. 48:04super high level, cuz playing a nickel
  1481. 48:06at a high level,
  1482. 48:07>> you're on
  1483. 48:07>> is different than playing the outside.
  1484. 48:09>> Yeah. Um, but like growing up in those
  1485. 48:12rivalries, like you just he had so much
  1486. 48:13more opportunities, but I feel the I
  1487. 48:16feel the uh the the hatred in in some of
  1488. 48:19them and I feel like the competitive
  1489. 48:21balance. I was saying last year like we
  1490. 48:24we hated Minnesota and I feel like that
  1491. 48:27is that's the Pittsburgh
  1492. 48:31and
  1493. 48:34uh and um Cleveland [clears throat]
  1494. 48:37>> and then we wanted to beat the Lions and
  1495. 48:42I feel like that's the Cincinnati
  1496. 48:44Pittsburgh.
  1497. 48:45>> Mhm. And then we respect
  1498. 48:48obviously really want to beat him, but
  1499. 48:49there's more of a respect between
  1500. 48:51Pittsburgh [clears throat] and both.
  1501. 48:52>> Maybe I'm wrong, but that's kind of what
  1502. 48:54I
  1503. 48:54>> thought would be in the Super Bowl. And
  1504. 48:55there's just a history there that
  1505. 48:57>> Yeah.
  1506. 48:58>> screams excellence.
  1507. 48:59>> Yeah. All right. I'm going to play a
  1508. 49:00game with you. I'm going to give you
  1509. 49:01five things. You tell me if they're
  1510. 49:02overrated, underrated. All right. PF
  1511. 49:05grades. [laughter]
  1512. 49:07>> PF's a joke.
  1513. 49:09>> Give us your honest opinion because we
  1514. 49:11had Deshawn Elliott on and he went in on
  1515. 49:13PFF.
  1516. 49:14Well, you first have to know some of the
  1517. 49:17ownership of PFF.
  1518. 49:19>> He called that out. Yes, he did.
  1519. 49:20>> Second, they have no idea what scheme
  1520. 49:22you're running, what the
  1521. 49:23responsibilities are, how it all works
  1522. 49:25together.
  1523. 49:29Nothing to say about if I don't I've
  1524. 49:30never even checked my grade. I think
  1525. 49:32it's a joke. The only time I'm ever even
  1526. 49:34exposed to it is if you're watching
  1527. 49:36Sunday Night Football and they put up
  1528. 49:38and it's a joke. You'll be like, "That
  1529. 49:39guy's a really good player and he's
  1530. 49:40rated 34 out of 45." I'm like, who the
  1531. 49:44is judging that?
  1532. 49:45>> Yeah, it's wild.
  1533. 49:46>> His is always pretty good, though. So,
  1534. 49:48his is always good, so he doesn't care.
  1535. 49:50>> Yeah. [snorts and laughter]
  1536. 49:52>> I'm going to go uh NFL combine
  1537. 49:54>> overrated.
  1538. 49:56>> I mean, just the whole the whole setup
  1539. 49:58of it, you know, for me, and this is way
  1540. 49:59back in the day, is like uh I fly from
  1541. 50:02the West Coast and then I have a 5 a.m.
  1542. 50:04drug test. So, that's 2 a.m. on my body
  1543. 50:06clock. Then I do the Cybex, right? And
  1544. 50:09it burns your legs out. Then at the time
  1545. 50:12I had 32 doctors pulling on my one year
  1546. 50:15out of surgery ACL.
  1547. 50:17This is all before I ran. Then another
  1548. 50:19day I went to a random MRI facility and
  1549. 50:22sat there with a sack lunch which was a
  1550. 50:25sandwich and an apple for like 6 hours.
  1551. 50:29They left me there. Then they came back
  1552. 50:30and got me. Yeah. I think it's
  1553. 50:32overrated. [laughter] Yeah. I think
  1554. 50:34there's a better way to do it.
  1555. 50:36No. I don't It's got to have gotten
  1556. 50:38better, but
  1557. 50:39>> Yeah. All right, let's go with one of
  1558. 50:40your favorites. Pat McAfee.
  1559. 50:42>> What's the overrated or underrated?
  1560. 50:44>> Underrated.
  1561. 50:46>> He carries game day and the hate that he
  1562. 50:48gets for that is absolutely asinine.
  1563. 50:51>> Carries game day. I mean, I like Kirby.
  1564. 50:53I've always liked Kirby and Corso. Um,
  1565. 50:56Corso is now retired, but like
  1566. 50:58>> Pat is the show anywhere he goes.
  1567. 51:00>> Well, I think he can do wrestling. He
  1568. 51:02can do, you know, he can do he can do
  1569. 51:03anything he wants really. Were you ever
  1570. 51:05going to go to his concert thing and
  1571. 51:08show up and announce?
  1572. 51:10>> We laughed about it. He's like, "It'd be
  1573. 51:12awesome. He just came in." I said, "I'm
  1574. 51:14not coming."
  1575. 51:14>> Tell the truth. You thought he was
  1576. 51:15coming.
  1577. 51:16>> I thought you were coming. I thought for
  1578. 51:17sure. I told him. I was like,
  1579. 51:18>> he said, "I haven't told anybody that
  1580. 51:19you're coming." I said, "Well, don't
  1581. 51:20tell anybody I'm coming cuz I'm not
  1582. 51:22coming."
  1583. 51:24>> Yeah, that was crazy.
  1584. 51:25>> Overrated, underrated. Mike Tomlin.
  1585. 51:27>> Underrated.
  1586. 51:28>> All right, last one. Podcast.
  1587. 51:30>> Which? Doing podcast.
  1588. 51:32>> Just doing podcast. Oh. I don't know. I
  1589. 51:35don't feel like it's it is what it is. I
  1590. 51:37mean, some are
  1591. 51:38>> some are better than
  1592. 51:39>> really bad and this was not one of
  1593. 51:41those.
  1594. 51:42>> Oh, thanks.
  1595. 51:42>> Well, thanks. Appreciate it.
  1596. 51:43>> I got one for you. Um, talking about
  1597. 51:46butterflies.
  1598. 51:47>> Butterflies.
  1599. 51:48>> Yeah.
  1600. 51:49>> Well, I saw an enigma, so I I figured
  1601. 51:51I'd bring it up. [laughter]
  1602. 51:56I was talking about the whole aspect of
  1603. 51:58the [laughter] butterfly, you know, the
  1604. 52:00the stages.
  1605. 52:03>> Overrated,
  1606. 52:04>> bro. [laughter] How many times have I
  1607. 52:06sent you that one picture of you playing
  1608. 52:07the ball?
  1609. 52:10[laughter]
  1610. 52:12>> Oh, I love
  1611. 52:14having a good time.
  1612. 52:15>> He was fried out.
  1613. 52:16>> He was It's all right, though.
  1614. 52:17>> I was actually was not.
  1615. 52:19>> You were not.
  1616. 52:20>> I was on the comedown.
  1617. 52:21>> Oh. [laughter]
  1618. 52:25The eyes. Everybody's had those eyes
  1619. 52:27before.
  1620. 52:27>> That was after the last. So the last
  1621. 52:29ceremony you start later. So we we
  1622. 52:31usually start like 7, end at 2:00 or
  1623. 52:333:00. This was you start at 9:00 at
  1624. 52:36night
  1625. 52:37>> and you don't stop till the sun up.
  1626. 52:39[laughter]
  1627. 52:40>> Till the sun up. That's crazy.
  1628. 52:42>> Listen, I retired from This is breaking
  1629. 52:45news here. I'm retiring from the NFL in
  1630. 52:47a year.
  1631. 52:49I'm retired from plant [laughter]
  1632. 52:51medicine. effective immediately.
  1633. 52:56I mean, no more memes, [laughter]
  1634. 52:58no more gifts, nothing, please.
  1635. 53:02>> Oh my gosh. Um
  1636. 53:04>> Oh my god.
  1637. 53:04>> The darkness retreat like
  1638. 53:06>> overrated. Overrated.
  1639. 53:08>> Oh yeah.
  1640. 53:09>> Did Did you come out feeling any better?
  1641. 53:11>> No. [laughter]
  1642. 53:12>> No.
  1643. 53:13>> I was bored out of my mind. I would
  1644. 53:15never ever do that again. Would you do
  1645. 53:19the Iawaska?
  1646. 53:24>> I would never say I would never do that
  1647. 53:26again.
  1648. 53:26>> Yeah.
  1649. 53:27>> I think it can really help people. I
  1650. 53:29don't recommend it because
  1651. 53:31it's not easy at all, but
  1652. 53:35I don't know. I mean, I have no plans to
  1653. 53:38do it.
  1654. 53:38>> My wife wanted me to ask this. What were
  1655. 53:41you thinking after you took it? Like,
  1656. 53:42what realization did you come to?
  1657. 53:44>> I mean, it was really important for me
  1658. 53:45in my journey where I was at. um for
  1659. 53:50healing, self-healing, and then healing,
  1660. 53:52you know, some of the relationships
  1661. 53:53around me. Um, also, you know, I've
  1662. 53:57always been fascinated by the, uh, the
  1663. 53:59idea that there's more going on in the
  1664. 54:01world than you can see,
  1665. 54:02>> and that opened my eyes to a lot of
  1666. 54:04that.
  1667. 54:05>> But, um, yeah, I mean, it's some people
  1668. 54:08I took many people over the years, and
  1669. 54:11some people are blocked and didn't have
  1670. 54:12a whole lot go on. Some people had some
  1671. 54:14more magical experiences. I've had, you
  1672. 54:17know, a little bit of both. I mean,
  1673. 54:19>> what's the craziest thing you've seen?
  1674. 54:20>> I can't even say this is sanctity of it.
  1675. 54:23>> Yeah, you just got to let him. You Why
  1676. 54:24don't you try it and you can you can
  1677. 54:26give your own experience.
  1678. 54:28>> Listen, I'll just say that me personally
  1679. 54:30like the like the the night that of the
  1680. 54:34bongos, right? [laughter]
  1681. 54:36I had the the giggles for hours. I was
  1682. 54:41just so happy. I had the giggles for
  1683. 54:44hours. I sat in front of the maestro.
  1684. 54:47There was like a man and then his wife
  1685. 54:49and then like a couple other women. And
  1686. 54:52he was playing the guitar. And as I sat
  1687. 54:54in front of him, he didn't have a head.
  1688. 54:57[laughter]
  1689. 54:59You didn't have a head. I thought it was
  1690. 55:01the funniest thing ever. I could not
  1691. 55:03stop laughing, but nobody was around me
  1692. 55:04to like laugh with me. And then uh Yeah.
  1693. 55:07So you do some hallucination
  1694. 55:09hallucinating.
  1695. 55:10>> Oh god.
  1696. 55:11>> That was uh that was pretty wild.
  1697. 55:13He actually had a head. Obviously
  1698. 55:15obviously hallucinating.
  1699. 55:17>> Of course. Of course.
  1700. 55:18>> Next morning you're like, "Oh, he does
  1701. 55:19have a head."
  1702. 55:20>> Oh, there it is. [laughter]
  1703. 55:21>> All right, Aaron. We like to play a game
  1704. 55:22here with all of our guests. You've been
  1705. 55:23great answering all of our questions.
  1706. 55:25Now it's your turn to ask Cam any
  1707. 55:26question you want. He has to answer
  1708. 55:28every question and as many as you want.
  1709. 55:30The floor is yours, my friend.
  1710. 55:34>> I wasn't prepared for this.
  1711. 55:36>> I told you this yesterday. Why are you
  1712. 55:38lying?
  1713. 55:40>> Well, let's see here. Do you want to do
  1714. 55:41plant medicine? Is that why you're
  1715. 55:43asking me? Are you open to it?
  1716. 55:44>> I would like you to actually if he
  1717. 55:46wanted to get into it, slowly get him
  1718. 55:47into it. Cam is kind of a straight laced
  1719. 55:49guy. So, how would you go about that?
  1720. 55:50Actually,
  1721. 55:52[laughter]
  1722. 55:53>> to an extent, grow it up. He was He was
  1723. 55:54our DD growing up to be honest.
  1724. 55:56>> I was DD growing up.
  1725. 55:58>> So was I.
  1726. 55:59>> It happened.
  1727. 55:59>> We turned out pretty good.
  1728. 56:00>> Yeah. Good job.
  1729. 56:02>> Um, okay. I'll ask you two questions.
  1730. 56:05All right.
  1731. 56:06>> First one is uh I like this question.
  1732. 56:09That's why I'm asking it to you. like
  1733. 56:11what what would you tell your
  1734. 56:16young self in the league young self
  1735. 56:17first couple years
  1736. 56:19>> cuz I remember for me like I was so
  1737. 56:21nervous all the time like
  1738. 56:23>> it just I made me like miss out on some
  1739. 56:26of the joy in this because I just was so
  1740. 56:28crazy to like perform well and study all
  1741. 56:30night and
  1742. 56:31>> you know like and really it's not that
  1743. 56:34serious you know like it's important but
  1744. 56:36like can't miss out on the I would say
  1745. 56:38you can't miss out on the the fun with
  1746. 56:41the guys and the lessons in the locker
  1747. 56:42room. But what would you tell your
  1748. 56:44younger self?
  1749. 56:45>> I think the thing I struggled with my
  1750. 56:47first couple years was not playing. Um,
  1751. 56:50and
  1752. 56:51>> how many years you not play?
  1753. 56:53>> First two years I barely touched the
  1754. 56:55field. And so I would go I would go to
  1755. 56:58the game like upset. I think I cried
  1756. 57:01before even getting to the stadium cuz I
  1757. 57:03wanted to play so bad. Um, but I never
  1758. 57:06let that affect like relationships and
  1759. 57:08like teammates because like I love those
  1760. 57:10dudes and like I respect them. Like
  1761. 57:12these dudes just went to the Super Bowl
  1762. 57:13and lost. Like I'm appreciative just to
  1763. 57:16be here, but like I want to be on the
  1764. 57:17field. But I think just understanding
  1765. 57:19the patience of it all cuz like you want
  1766. 57:22to be in this thing for a long time and
  1767. 57:23like you want to appreciate these
  1768. 57:25moments, but like your time's going to
  1769. 57:27come. Like you just got to you got to be
  1770. 57:29ready. And I was, but you know, I
  1771. 57:32remember just calling me like, "Man, I
  1772. 57:33don't even want to go to the game
  1773. 57:34because I'm just so upset because I want
  1774. 57:35to be out there with those dudes." Like,
  1775. 57:37you you create these relationships.
  1776. 57:39You're like, "Man, I want to I want to
  1777. 57:41give everything I can to him." And like,
  1778. 57:44you know, when you're only doing field
  1779. 57:45goal,
  1780. 57:47you're [clears throat and snorts] not
  1781. 57:48doing anything. And so, I always felt
  1782. 57:49like, how am I like supposed to pull my
  1783. 57:53weight? how am I supposed to like cuz I
  1784. 57:54I felt like I dealt with like imposttor
  1785. 57:56syndrome for so long
  1786. 57:58>> because like I wasn't doing enough and I
  1787. 58:01still feel that way but like it's just
  1788. 58:03like you have to be patient with your
  1789. 58:06time and really work on your craft
  1790. 58:07during that time and which I did but it
  1791. 58:10was hard for me to understand that at
  1792. 58:11first.
  1793. 58:13>> All right, I got one more question. It's
  1794. 58:14a multi-parter.
  1795. 58:15>> Mhm.
  1796. 58:16>> How old were you when your father
  1797. 58:17passed?
  1798. 58:18>> I was 16 going on 17. All right. So, my
  1799. 58:22two-parter is like first, for those of
  1800. 58:25us that never got to meet him.
  1801. 58:27>> Yeah.
  1802. 58:27>> Like, what was he like and what's like
  1803. 58:30your fondest memory? Number one. And
  1804. 58:32then number two, like
  1805. 58:34how has like his life and death affected
  1806. 58:38your
  1807. 58:39relationship with your wife and your
  1808. 58:42kids, like being a father?
  1809. 58:44>> Well, I answer the last part first, like
  1810. 58:46meeting my wife and seeing my kids. Um,
  1811. 58:51I feel like I'm always going to miss
  1812. 58:53that part of them getting to meet my
  1813. 58:55dad. Like I get to see I look at my kids
  1814. 58:59and I can say like, man, they're
  1815. 59:00stubborn as hell. But that was my dad to
  1816. 59:03a like a tea. And you know how Cal can
  1817. 59:05be. Cal is just [snorts]
  1818. 59:07Cal changes the room. Like he is the
  1819. 59:10life of the party. That's my dad on
  1820. 59:12steroids. like and you know I I think
  1821. 59:16those special moments where I don't get
  1822. 59:18to have I get I don't get to have him in
  1823. 59:21the room I miss that like I don't get to
  1824. 59:24have my dad at
  1825. 59:27Christmas or I don't get to have him for
  1826. 59:29their birthdays and like missing these
  1827. 59:33monumental moments in my life I'm always
  1828. 59:35pretty upset about I don't like to talk
  1829. 59:38about it because like you know it's near
  1830. 59:40and dear to my heart but like those
  1831. 59:41people,
  1832. 59:43they should have had an experience with
  1833. 59:44him. And so, like when I was fortunate
  1834. 59:47enough and my dad was getting kicked out
  1835. 59:49of basketball courts and stadiums cuz
  1836. 59:52he's yelling from the sideline and he
  1837. 59:55got kicked out of a church league cuz he
  1838. 59:56was cursing out the ref, which was
  1839. 59:58crazy. Or, you know, my dad used to
  1840. 1:00:01always go to take me to school and be
  1841. 1:00:03blaring rap music [laughter] on like
  1842. 1:00:06embarrassing the out of me and I hated
  1843. 1:00:08that. But like looking back I'm like
  1844. 1:00:11>> damn my dad was cool as like and so
  1845. 1:00:13having those moments like wrapped up in
  1846. 1:00:15me where like man I wish like I they
  1847. 1:00:18could experience that and have their
  1848. 1:00:20grandfather around. I wish they got to
  1849. 1:00:22do that too.
  1850. 1:00:23>> Yeah.
  1851. 1:00:23>> Yeah. It's cool.
  1852. 1:00:24>> Thank you.
  1853. 1:00:25>> Thank you. Thank you for doing this
  1854. 1:00:27podcast. I think it's been awesome to
  1855. 1:00:29just let you explain and
  1856. 1:00:31>> talk about what you wanted to talk
  1857. 1:00:33about.
  1858. 1:00:33>> You promised it was not just football.
  1859. 1:00:35>> You did. We went there.
  1860. 1:00:37>> Yeah. We gave you the platform. Is there
  1861. 1:00:39anything we missed that you wish you
  1862. 1:00:40could have talked about?
  1863. 1:00:40>> There's I mean multi- multi-part I can
  1864. 1:00:43go on and on like what do you want to
  1865. 1:00:44talk about? Let's [laughter] go.
  1866. 1:00:46>> We'll have to do another part another
  1867. 1:00:48time.
  1868. 1:00:48>> I think the thing you know the thing is
  1869. 1:00:50like that I would just to answer my own
  1870. 1:00:52question like
  1871. 1:00:55>> the beauty in aging
  1872. 1:00:56>> Yeah. is
  1873. 1:00:59experience, you know, and the experience
  1874. 1:01:02>> like I look at like the older people I
  1875. 1:01:05respect the most and they don't lose any
  1876. 1:01:09>> energy, sleep, time to worrying about
  1877. 1:01:12what other people think about them.
  1878. 1:01:13>> But when you're young, that's really
  1879. 1:01:15hard. When you grow up in the league,
  1880. 1:01:16that's really hard
  1881. 1:01:17>> because you care so desperately about
  1882. 1:01:19>> and I don't care about, you know, like
  1883. 1:01:23being right or being righteous anymore.
  1884. 1:01:25>> Yeah. I just I do care about the truth
  1885. 1:01:27and I care about what people have been
  1886. 1:01:30saying about me for a long time,
  1887. 1:01:31narratives that are just not true. And I
  1888. 1:01:34think part of the beauty in going to the
  1889. 1:01:37Jets and to the Steelers is I was around
  1890. 1:01:39new people that hadn't been around. And
  1891. 1:01:40so people got to see a different side of
  1892. 1:01:41me. And if you go back to the 2023
  1893. 1:01:43summer, people really enjoyed Hard
  1894. 1:01:45Knocks, learned more about me. Now they
  1895. 1:01:48I got hurt, then I talked about COVID,
  1896. 1:01:49then they all turned back on me again
  1897. 1:01:51>> um in 2023. But then coming here, I did
  1898. 1:01:53want a clean slate and I wanted people
  1899. 1:01:55to get to know me for who I am, that I
  1900. 1:01:57desperately love football. I love
  1901. 1:01:58competing and that I have a heart for my
  1902. 1:02:01teammates, you know. So all these
  1903. 1:02:02narratives out there, you know, that my
  1904. 1:02:05exes were saying that two early two
  1905. 1:02:08former teammates said, um, [laughter]
  1906. 1:02:11and the co stuff has painted this
  1907. 1:02:13picture of who I am. That's just not an
  1908. 1:02:15accurate representation. And as I blend
  1909. 1:02:18into obscurity, which I really look
  1910. 1:02:20forward to after this season.
  1911. 1:02:21>> No, you're gonna be you're gonna be on
  1912. 1:02:23TV with Mike T.
  1913. 1:02:24>> These will be the last words [laughter]
  1914. 1:02:25that you'll hear from me. And might as
  1915. 1:02:28well go out with a bang with the truth.
  1916. 1:02:30Whether or not you want to hear it,
  1917. 1:02:31that's fine. Doesn't have doesn't bother
  1918. 1:02:33me. Whether or not you actually hear it
  1919. 1:02:35cuz some people hear, but they're not
  1920. 1:02:36listening.
  1921. 1:02:37>> Yeah.
  1922. 1:02:37>> Whether you hear it doesn't bother me.
  1923. 1:02:40Whether you actually hear what I'm
  1924. 1:02:42trying to say, that's up to you. But I'm
  1925. 1:02:44going to keep speaking the truth. and I
  1926. 1:02:46appreciate the platform to do it on your
  1927. 1:02:47show and hopefully some extra eyes will
  1928. 1:02:49come to it.
  1929. 1:02:50>> Appreciate that.
  1930. 1:02:51>> And uh get on board with the Steelers
  1931. 1:02:53this year cuz uh it's going to be a fun
  1932. 1:02:56last ride.
  1933. 1:02:57>> We'll see. Maybe there's another year.
  1934. 1:02:59>> Oh, don't do [laughter] that. Don't do
  1935. 1:03:01that to him again.
  1936. 1:03:02>> Don't do it. No more bongos. [laughter]
  1937. 1:03:06>> Can we at least get an Enigma part two?
  1938. 1:03:08>> Oh, no. [clears throat]
  1939. 1:03:09>> I want you to do one. I want you to do
  1940. 1:03:10one. You should do one. Your last
  1941. 1:03:11season. We'll take it down to the
  1942. 1:03:13jungle.
  1943. 1:03:14>> Show. Bring the show. Can we all go? I
  1944. 1:03:16would love that.
  1945. 1:03:18>> Take people out.
  1946. 1:03:19>> You You laugh a lot. If I could have one
  1947. 1:03:22wish, God, please in this world, great
  1948. 1:03:25spirit, whoever's up there. I just I
  1949. 1:03:29want Cam to experience one night of a
  1950. 1:03:32and then put some bongos in front of
  1951. 1:03:34him. When you're on, you can't help but
  1952. 1:03:36play the bongos. You're so excited.
  1953. 1:03:38[laughter] Bongos are fun and they're
  1954. 1:03:39just they're kind of a rudimentary. Like
  1955. 1:03:41there's not a whole lot going on. Sounds
  1956. 1:03:42like variance of sound is just very
  1957. 1:03:44little between the different parts of
  1958. 1:03:45the bongo. But when you're playing those
  1959. 1:03:47things and you've had a little medicine,
  1960. 1:03:49oh my god, you think you're the greatest
  1961. 1:03:51drummer in the history of the world,
  1962. 1:03:53there's not anything more fun in your
  1963. 1:03:55mind. Like you look at my pictures,
  1964. 1:03:56there's any how could there be anything
  1965. 1:03:57more fun in this moment right now than
  1966. 1:03:59playing a bunkas
  1967. 1:04:00>> in front of a headless guitarist.
  1968. 1:04:01[laughter]
  1969. 1:04:03Headless guitar.
  1970. 1:04:04>> Full circle.
  1971. 1:04:06>> All right. I I'll I don't know.
  1972. 1:04:08>> Next year. Hi, Wasa. We're going with
  1973. 1:04:10it.
  1974. 1:04:10>> Wow. I'll set you guys up. Sounds good.
  1975. 1:04:12>> You have to come.
  1976. 1:04:13>> We're doing it.
  1977. 1:04:13>> You have to go out and join us.
  1978. 1:04:15>> We're doing it.
  1979. 1:04:16>> Let's see. You got bongos.
  1980. 1:04:17>> We'll get We'll make sure we got bongos.
  1981. 1:04:19>> We got plenty of bongos.
  1982. 1:04:20>> Yeah, we will.
  1983. 1:04:21>> All right, Aaron, I want to say thank
  1984. 1:04:22you so much for coming on. It's been a
  1985. 1:04:23pleasure. Um there's not much more I can
  1986. 1:04:26say right now. Love to do this later.
  1987. 1:04:28>> Mhm.
  1988. 1:04:28>> After we win the Super Bowl.
  1989. 1:04:29>> Okay.
  1990. 1:04:30>> All right.
  1991. 1:04:30>> After we win it.
  1992. 1:04:31>> After we win it.
  1993. 1:04:32>> Definitely not doing this on ESPN.
  1994. 1:04:35[laughter]
  1995. 1:04:36>> No.
  1996. 1:04:36>> And that's how And that's how we ended
  1997. 1:04:38right there. All right. Thank you so
  1998. 1:04:40much for listening to the pod. Like and
  1999. 1:04:41subscribe and we'll see you next time.
  2000. 1:04:46[music]
  2001. 1:04:55>> [music]

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