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0:00all right well welcome everyone to the
0:03first talk in our Tuesday scholar Olly
0:05talks series it's been renamed slightly
0:08I am Judy Woodward the history
0:11coordinator of the Ramsey County Library
0:13and I am absolutely delighted to see all
0:16of you and I am absolutely delighted to
0:19welcome our first speaker today Coleen
0:22Rowley before I turned the podium over
0:25to Colleen I want to give a special
0:28shout out and a thanks here to a loyal
0:31audience member named Bill Dannette and
0:33would you stand up please bill and the
0:36reason that I want to do this is because
0:38two years ago bill came to me and said
0:42you know who would make a really good
0:44speaker that FBI lady from 9/11 and I
0:50thought boy is that a good suggestion
0:52and I must say that miss Rowley was not
0:55an easy person to track down so it took
0:57me a couple of years to find her but I
1:00did and so we are so delighted for those
1:03of you who may not remember Coleen
1:06Rowley was an FBI agent at the time of
1:099/11 and she was the original and most
1:12famous Minnesota whistleblower connected
1:16to 9/11 ever so we are really honored to
1:19have her her appearance is made possible
1:22in addition to the suggestion of mr.
1:25Dannette her appearance is made possible
1:28through Minnesota's Arts and Cultural
1:31Heritage Fund which provides financial
1:34backing for this series and of course we
1:37must acknowledge the huge contribution
1:39of the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute
1:42of the University of Minnesota
1:45allye our partners in this series as in
1:48so many others so thank you all very
1:51much
1:52and now I'll turn the microphone over to
1:54Coleen Rowley thank you
2:03well this is amazing and I hope that the
2:07people that are standing and it's worth
2:09it on your legs this whole time it's
2:12it's a very sad moment of course 17
2:16years after the horrible tragic attack
2:20on 9/11 round 3,000 people died and we
2:25all remember you know it was so
2:26traumatic everybody was glued to their
2:28televisions for a period of time and I
2:32got to know some of the victims of the
2:35of the attack some of the widows that
2:37their husbands died and they became some
2:40of the strongest advocates for truth
2:43after 9/11 one of the things that
2:47motivated me and I ended up testifying
2:50to the Senate Judiciary because I was
2:52kind of forced to explain especially to
2:55the FBI why the heck did you write a
2:57memo about this eight and a half months
2:59after 9/11 why did you put any of this
3:02in writing and so I was actually under a
3:05certain amount of pressure just to
3:07explain why the truth was important
3:10people you know when you're in these
3:12official high ranking rungs of things in
3:16your you're involved in it and you've
3:19made mistakes that people have died as a
3:22result there's almost inevitably almost
3:25never inevitably going to be a cover-up
3:27and I have found only a couple of
3:30occasions in officialdom
3:32where there really some truth did come
3:34out and that was the Challenger and the
3:36Columbia when those happened because
3:39there were some generals with integrity
3:41and Sally Ride the astronaut whatever
3:44and they did form a commission type
3:47thing there's there's official reports
3:49of both the Columbia and the Challenger
3:50and I think a lot of the truth came out
3:53they they they admitted that they could
3:55have maybe even saved the astronauts on
3:59the on the challenger if they had tried
4:03harder etc so but that was that's really
4:06the exception because as far as I know
4:09in almost all other cases what happened
4:12when even when negligent mistakes are
4:15made
4:16not even deliberate but certainly if
4:18there's recklessness whatever and
4:20there's there's a lot of problems that
4:22have led up to something
4:23everyone is reluctant to say what they
4:27did and in a case where it's widespread
4:29where there's a blame to go around
4:32because there's a lot of different
4:34people and entities that's even worse
4:36because everybody thinks well I'll if I
4:39say what I did you know then then if I
4:42point to somebody else and say well they
4:44made the mistake then they'll point at
4:46somebody else and the whole house of
4:48cards will come down so it's you know
4:51it's not necessarily what you would call
4:54a conspiracy but it's just human
4:58tendency not to really not to really for
5:03human beings not to tell the full truth
5:05after something terrible has happened
5:07and then there's also what I write about
5:10up here which is the the Pearl Harbor
5:13problem and when you have people that
5:16have been wishing for something bad to
5:20happen and that was the case there were
5:22some foreign policy officials and
5:26retirees who had been writing for a long
5:27time if we just get our new Pearl Harbor
5:31in the country then we'll be more able
5:35you know able to be in my opinion to be
5:38manipulated etc we can boost the
5:41Pentagon we can go to war on Iraq and
5:44Iran and we can do all those things we
5:46wanted to do and so and I and I will
5:50just mention Rahm Emmanuel if there's a
5:53book out called Shock Doctrine has
5:54anyone read that book by Naomi Klein
5:56that's what it is it's it's the Shock
5:59Doctrine it's a famous book now and
6:02basically if you look at how change
6:05occurs in many many cases it's because
6:08there's a tremendous shock and trauma
6:10and that then allows the the leaders
6:13so-called leaders than to do what they
6:16want to do it's called Shock Doctrine
6:19and Rahm Emmanuel who was a chief of
6:24staff for Clinton he
6:25said don't let any catastrophe go to
6:29waste that's what his comment was any
6:32catastrophe go to waste we will make use
6:35of it in a very coarse opportunistic way
6:39yes okay it might you close to and to
6:52this oh okay okay
7:06I think can people hear my voice so well
7:10enough okay okay thank you so going back
7:16to this is a sad moment and I almost
7:18want to have a moment of silence here
7:20but then probably people would start
7:22talking again because it it's we were 17
7:25years later and frankly not very much
7:28has changed except in if anything if
7:31we've got it's gotten worse we've gotten
7:33into a more and more risk to national
7:36security terrorism has grown
7:39exponentially and even the violence the
7:43level of mass shootings and and a lot of
7:45our domestic problems are related to
7:47this war if you look at somebody asked
7:50me a question before we started they
7:52said didn't bin Laden want to provoke
7:55the United States into doing stupid
7:57things and getting their spending their
7:59debt up to 21 trillion dollars wasn't
8:02that the plan all along and absolutely
8:05that was the plan that was the plan of
8:07the terrorist leader to try to make the
8:10United States very make dumb dumb
8:13decisions out of fear and not being able
8:15to think and it seemed to it succeed
8:18because now fundamentalist extremism is
8:21actually far far greater than it ever
8:23was on 9/11 so everything we're doing
8:26and part of the reason for that is this
8:28this top line here a poor man's war is
8:30terrorism while a rich man's terrorism
8:33is war that's a quote that I often use
8:36because if you are a weaker side
8:39what you want to do is use
8:41unconventional means of warfare exactly
8:45what the United States George Washington
8:48did in fighting the much more powerful
8:51British he used a form of guerrilla
8:53warfare which we now call terrorism
8:56our founding our founding fathers you
8:59know that the Revolutionary War was was
9:02waged that way because we were less
9:04powerful and what that does is that then
9:07provokes the powerful side to use more
9:11more force on their side and then the
9:14other side and it just ratchets it up
9:17that's what it does
9:18war is not the answer to terrorism and
9:21yet that was what was suggested after
9:239/11 I testified to first my memo was
9:28written to the Joint Intelligence
9:29Committee inquiry and as a part of that
9:32and then to the Senate then I testified
9:35two weeks later to the Senate Judiciary
9:36Committee and finally to the
9:39investigators of the Department of
9:41Justice's Inspector General the problem
9:44and I was not the only one there were
9:46other quite a number of and especially
9:49here in Minnesota good honest FBI agents
9:55NSA NSA executives even who told the
10:00truth what they knew the the parts that
10:03they knew they told the truth and they
10:05became whistleblowers there were there
10:07were four NSA whistleblowers because
10:10they had turned on warrantless
10:11monitoring illegally on American
10:14citizens after 9/11 and there were at
10:16least four and sa whistleblowers the
10:19problem is we all did this we all went
10:21through the channels and we all
10:22testified and it was all more or less
10:24buried and after that took a long time
10:27like this DOJ Inspector General report
10:29took over two years to come out and so
10:33this is also a way when the truth is
10:35delayed and in over a two or
10:37two-and-a-half year period the 9/11
10:39Commission was the same way that took
10:41about two and a half years for that
10:43eventually to come out and so when
10:45that's delayed what happened in the
10:47meantime well within the next day after
10:519/11
10:52we know this from books of people that
10:54were there in the room Richard Clarke
10:56and and the other Paul O'Neill is it
11:00Paul O'Neill
11:00I think O'Neill was his last name at
11:02least he was a Treasury secretary they
11:05were right in the room and so Bush and
11:07the Bush administration within a day
11:10start saying okay now we can start war
11:13on Iraq and the the so they started the
11:17war on Afghanistan first but then
11:19immediately started doing the war on or
11:22shilling for and concocting false
11:26intelligence etc for the war on Iraq and
11:29the and all of those were started long
11:33before the reports came out now here's
11:36the here's one of the major things Iran
11:39there's a federal case then there's a
11:41federal judge that blamed Iran for 9/11
11:45did it just do people know this there is
11:48an official court case of course the
11:50family the victims families are like
11:53aghast Iran had nothing to do people got
11:56him confused Iraq and Iran what's the
11:58difference you know but Iran is a Shiite
12:02country but the terrorists were Sunni
12:05Wahhabi fundamentalists mostly
12:08associated with Saudi Arabia and other a
12:11Wahhabi areas Iran is really considered
12:15their enemy in a way they're the Shiites
12:18and they're a little more liberal
12:19there's different you know versions of
12:21all of these things but the they had
12:24nothing to do with 9/11 and yet we have
12:27a federal court case that blamed and
12:29actually they attached assets of Iran in
12:34this country for purposes of an of 9/11
12:37so they lost some assets from that
12:39additionally besides that on the eve of
12:42the of the attack our excuse me the
12:46invasion of Iraq March of 2003 fast
12:50forward after all those months of you
12:53know colon Powell holding up vials and
12:56you know chemical weapons and and Dick
12:59Cheney saying that that Iraqi
13:02intelligence had met with Mohammed Atta
13:05was the kind of the ringleader of the
13:07al-qaeda terrorists so he all these lies
13:10that were going on for months and months
13:11so you get to the eve of of the Iraq war
13:15and guess what 70% of the American
13:19people were led to believe that Iraq was
13:23behind 9/11 Iraq was behind same thing
13:27Iraq was mostly Shiite country Saddam
13:29Hussein was actually an enemy of these
13:32Mohave fundamentalist Saudi connected
13:35people that attacked us al Qaeda it's
13:38it's it's incredible so you see how this
13:40works with being able to manipulate
13:42people due to fear it was pretty amazing
13:45and that that those numbers of people
13:47that believed that 9/11 was caused as a
13:51result of Iraq and didn't know anything
13:54about Saudi Arabia's involvement etc
13:56that didn't go down real quickly there
13:59were after the the news the you know
14:04after after we actually started the war
14:07on Iraq and then they couldn't find
14:09chemical weapons of mass destruction
14:11then Tim Russert and other major media
14:14people were called on the carpet the
14:16head of New York Times Bill Keller was
14:18called on is like what word you get all
14:20this all this stuff you are publishing
14:22on Iraq and and and they said you know
14:25be and then they made up well it sounded
14:28like that I mean they they all had their
14:30excuses but they mislead the people to
14:33believe in 70% of the people believed
14:34Iraq was behind 9/11 so that this kind
14:38of thing the truth really matters you
14:41know even if we were to have launched an
14:44actual global war on terror which I
14:46don't think was the right approach in in
14:49the FBI what's the right approach if
14:51someone commits a violent act
14:52well it's considered a crime and so you
14:56know they're they're even even the war
14:58crimes in the Nazi era and stuff that
15:01was considered a crime and they went and
15:04tried to find these war criminals and
15:06then they tried them in court and stuff
15:08so we didn't do that we just said no
15:11we're not we're not gonna treat 9/11 as
15:13a crime and I argued this several
15:15several times with different people part
15:18of the administration
15:19because I you know they said no we're
15:21gonna go to war but even then they went
15:23to war with the wrong countries it's
15:26it's it's pretty
15:28I mean it's devastatingly unbelievably
15:31bad and our news is is not really even
15:34to this day told us too much the other
15:36thing that happened besides the fact
15:38that they began to immediately plan this
15:41long term war and wars that would
15:45successively take out countries
15:47beginning with Afghanistan then Iraq
15:50Somalia Yemen Syria there was six or
15:55seven of them and then the last one was
15:58Iran and we so far that's kind of where
16:00we've stopped but we're right on the
16:02edge now a finally a starting war on
16:06Iran so that's that was this whole plan
16:09but besides that the office of legal
16:12counsel had a couple of very key
16:14attorneys most people know the one named
16:17John you people know him because he's
16:20associated with the torture memo it was
16:23actually more than one memo he began to
16:25write memos right after 9/11 but he had
16:28a co-author and his co-author was Robert
16:30Delahunty yes yes and and see what it
16:35was as john you was with a newer guy and
16:38kind of they pair it up because robert
16:41Dillahunty was senior and so I don't
16:44think Robert Delahunty they're very
16:45close by the way John you and Robert
16:47Delahunty to this day co-author books
16:50about what Scott I won't say by the way
16:52this isn't this is not conservative
16:54I am also conservative on the
16:57Constitution but this in my opinion is a
16:59radical it's called the imperial
17:02presidency or war presidency powers and
17:05in the old days during the Civil War and
17:08in other wars it was called martial law
17:11that means that the president in a time
17:14of war that gets to ignore the
17:18Constitution and one of the very first
17:20memos that John you and Robert Delahunty
17:22write wrote my colleague Kerr could look
17:25it up if anyone's interested I should
17:28just mention my colleague was a defense
17:30attorney Jag at Guantanamo
17:33and so he's like the expert on all of
17:35this law stuff but the the during the
17:41Civil War Abraham Lincoln did the same
17:44thing and they you know they threw
17:46editors there was no freedom of press if
17:48you were an editor criticizing the the
17:51Abraham Lincoln's army and stuff they
17:54could they generals were allowed to put
17:56you in jail for writing op-eds saying
17:58this was wrong even people that were
18:01writing family members across the line
18:03were were put in jail and stuff so what
18:07happens they could seize property a lot
18:10of things that cannot happen in a time
18:14without without war are allowed to
18:17happen when you're at war and we many
18:21legal scholars kind of thought that was
18:23in the past they didn't think that those
18:25would be brought out again because they
18:26lead to all kinds of problems and even
18:28some of Lincoln's usurping some of these
18:31powers was later that the Supreme Court
18:34later kind of rebuked it all and so it
18:38was kind of believed that this would
18:39never happen again but immediately after
18:419/11 there's there are memos that john
18:43yoo writes that say we no longer will
18:46necessarily have our First Amendment
18:48rights and we will no longer maybe have
18:51our Fourth Amendment protection against
18:54unreasonable search and seizure well
18:56within a few days after 9/11 they turned
18:59on those the NSA turned on those buttons
19:01where they were monitoring everybody so
19:03that was illegal unless you say we're in
19:06a time of war and it's a form of martial
19:08law so that was going on now none of us
19:11I even including myself the other thing
19:14of course was they began to set the
19:17groundwork for torturing and so there
19:20was a whole series of memos including
19:22one in written in February before the
19:24actual real torture memo that says you
19:26can do everything up to death or organ
19:29damage and it's not considered torture
19:31which is the one John you wrote but
19:33before that in February of 2002 John you
19:36wrote one they wrote one that said the
19:39the Geneva Conventions no longer apply
19:42and so if the Geneva Conventions no
19:44longer apply what are the GE
19:46conventions protect us against torture
19:48and so that was told to the military and
19:51then you had these abuses beginning very
19:54quickly after 9/11 so I'm gonna see go
20:00to my next thing here and by the way
20:04those those articles I have where I'm
20:07missing one here but if you if you miss
20:10something I say or whatever I've written
20:12this article for the intelligence ethics
20:14intelligence journal entitled war on
20:18terror a fault solution and so you can
20:22google it and you can it's kind of long
20:23it would have been long to copy but say
20:27something actually there were a stack of
20:29those articles they've already been
20:31distributed I have the text document so
20:35if anybody wants to email me my card is
20:38up here on the table just email me and I
20:40will send you by back by email the other
20:44article okay thank you yeah and that's
20:46the article I'm much better on paper
20:49than I am
20:50verbally like maybe like my president I
20:53feel sorry for him in some ways because
20:56it's I can do it better in writing and I
20:58take you can take your time and you can
21:00be more precise etc so I've written
21:02about these things a lot and I want to
21:05go now though to the story here in
21:07Minnesota we had in August 16th or 14th
21:14or 15th the day before a call two calls
21:17came in from a flight school in Eagan
21:19and these were whistleblower pilot
21:23instructors they were going against
21:25their own company their company said
21:27keep your mouth shut
21:29we have this most suspicious flight
21:32student we've ever had he paid in cash
21:35he couldn't explain what he why he
21:37wanted to learn to fly and then it there
21:40was there was there's actually 20-some
21:42pages of facts that were so suspicious
21:44well these two flight instructors called
21:47us separately they didn't even know the
21:48other one was calling and they landed on
21:50our one of our best agents but he was a
21:52young agent because he had been a
21:54himself in aviation in the in the
21:57military I think he was in the Marines
21:59or something or Navy
22:00he was a Navy aviation aviator and so he
22:03called N+ he had a background in
22:05terrorism because we our office here had
22:07just started up a joint terrorist task
22:09force one of the first in the country so
22:12he they landed called in and they land
22:14on him he was like oh wow and he got an
22:18AI NS agent they followed up on it
22:20quickly you know within the next day
22:22they went out to the flight school they
22:24talked to the actual instructor who
22:26verified everything that had come in and
22:30and then they determined that it was so
22:34dangerous now you would never have known
22:37this from condi rice saying no one would
22:40ever know a plane would fly into a
22:42building and she said this and many
22:44other officials said the same thing
22:45after 9/11 on August 16th this Mousawi
22:50was his name french moroccan was taken
22:52into custody and you know what he was
22:56suspected of interference with aviation
23:00and the other one was a terrorist charge
23:03they were the exact same two charges
23:06that years later he was charged with and
23:08he got a life imprisonment for it
23:10because he was connected to the other
23:12al-qaeda people so after 9/11 of course
23:16no one wanted to talk about the fact
23:18that there was somebody in custody
23:21already for three and a half weeks and
23:24why didn't you do anything when you knew
23:26this and then of course it turns out it
23:28wasn't just Mousawi because a Phoenix
23:31FBI agent in July and before this he
23:35wrote the memo in July before this had
23:37noticed many terrorists training in
23:39flight schools and he had sent a memo in
23:42and the memo said seven eight pages and
23:45it said look at all this and he had big
23:47you know documented histories of these
23:50terrorists training in flight schools
23:51and these last sentences extremely
23:53urgent the FBI must check out all flight
23:56schools right away that memo came into
23:58the FBI headquarters on July 10th or
24:0211th of 2001 plenty of time that would
24:05have been two months beforehand and then
24:08we actually do find one training in
24:11flight school here okay
24:13no one ever even read or they claimed
24:17they didn't read these memos can you
24:19believe this the memo
24:21the Phoenix memo was addressed to people
24:23at headquarters and they deny ever
24:25having read it after 9/11 one one person
24:29like an analyst did read it but only one
24:31analyst read it and the rest of the the
24:33supervisors deny having read it and of
24:36course they and these were the same
24:37supervisors that knew about the Mousawi
24:40case there was such a reluctance to act
24:43on the information that was the agents
24:46requested an emergency search warrant
24:49under the FISA law and there's you know
24:51people think well the faisal of there's
24:53an emergency exception so if you have an
24:56emergency you can actually just do it
24:58this quickly you just have to get a
24:59judge and you say it's emergency and a
25:02day later then you have to put all the
25:03fat or a couple days later you have a
25:05couple of days so they requested an
25:07emergency exception in order to search
25:10moussaoui's belongings whatever and our
25:12headquarters had all these reasons you
25:14know but they they read the document but
25:17they didn't they verbally briefed people
25:19they didn't even allow the higher-ups to
25:21read it there was verbal briefings that
25:23went on so there's and then of course
25:26there's a worse there's a third part of
25:29the FBI this is I'm only talking about
25:30the FBI I'm not talking about NSA's
25:33failures or CIA's failures and most of
25:37those to this day we don't know a whole
25:39lot about because they didn't have like
25:42the CIA for instance I don't think had
25:44any whistleblowers
25:44so to this day we don't know the the
25:47different the problems with the CIA but
25:50we can we can guess at some of them
25:52because the CIA had been monitoring this
25:56group of al Qaeda operatives since an
25:59important meeting in kuala lumpur that
26:02occurred about two years before item
26:04something like that i can't remember the
26:06exact dates they never told the FBI
26:08about it but they'd been following these
26:11people well they knew that two of them
26:13of the people that had met in kuala
26:15lumpur were coming to California and at
26:19one point they actually did know that
26:20that one of them of the two came into
26:23California and yet we we start ticking
26:26off the time before nine
26:27seven there was never a notification to
26:30the FBI
26:31until I think it was just a few days or
26:34before 9/11 they finally tell the FBI
26:37that this al-qaeda terrorist is in
26:39California and now they're trying to
26:42desperately find that person and to this
26:44day we don't know how and why that
26:47happened we have an agent actually two
26:50agents that wrote memos because they
26:52were in the CIA they were they were
26:54temporarily assigned and they wrote
26:56memos trying to notify the FBI and those
26:59memos were stopped and so the FBI never
27:02even learned that two of the terrorists
27:04were in California and that there's a
27:06lot more to that that maybe I'll have
27:07time to go into but going back to the
27:10story here this terrible mischance that
27:13former New York Times reporter Phillip
27:16Sheen and and he became quite an expert
27:18on 9/11 because he wrote this book
27:20called the Commission it's a big thick
27:22book I have it at home and I've haven't
27:24really ever read it because it's it's
27:26it's pretty daunting but he followed
27:28every single you know every bit of that
27:31Commission case the 9/11 Commission and
27:33he finds out you know actually years
27:36later I want to say 2014 or 14 is when
27:41this memos written it took a long time
27:42even for him to learn but there was a
27:45memo I'll show it to you that said okay
27:53I'll come back to this let's see is that
27:55the memo this is the memo itself and you
27:58maybe can't read it but it says director
28:00free who is the FBI director at the time
28:02and it says bin Laden and eben Kitab
28:06threat reporting and a little bit of
28:09blacked out there but it says in there
28:11they are heavily entwined even Kitab was
28:17a Chechen terrorists they're also the
28:21same you know more or less very closely
28:24related to to al-qaeda al-qaeda aligned
28:28and during Charlie Wilson's War which is
28:32when we had this brilliant idea that we
28:35would arm the Mujahideen in Afghanistan
28:38to fight the Soviets and we gave them
28:40Stinger
28:41Souls and we kind of trapped the Soviet
28:44Union is a big new Brzezinski did it at
28:46the time and they trapped they trapped
28:48the Soviet Union and they gave the
28:50Mujahideen frontline did a great
28:52documentary on this you know there so
28:55there's a little bit of truth about this
28:56Charlie Wilson's War Charlie Wilson's
28:58War how many people have seen that movie
29:00okay
29:01what you what Charlie Wilson's War
29:02needed was the sequel because it ended
29:05on such a high note because you know
29:07Brazil skis plan worked and the Soviet
29:09Union exhausted itself and you know with
29:13infighting the this these groups of
29:15Mujahideen in Afghanistan and it was
29:17part of the reason why how the Soviet
29:20Union collapsed and so everybody at the
29:22end of Charlie Wilson's War they gave he
29:24gets an award a prize because you know
29:26he his plan worked it wasn't just his it
29:29was others but the truth is there's a
29:31sequel to it and the sequel is 9/11
29:33because this group of Mujahideen was al
29:37Qaeda was what became the Taliban in al
29:40Qaeda
29:40so we were the ones arming them and
29:43funding them in Afghanistan but you'll
29:46never other than the frontline
29:48documentary told the truth about it but
29:50you hardly ever hear an official mention
29:52that oh we made this mistake because we
29:54were on helping the terrorists and then
29:56of course they turned against you had
29:58been lauding turned against us for a
29:59couple of reasons so going back to this
30:02memo his they were working together even
30:05Kitab of the Chechen and bin Laden now
30:09when moosa' when the the information was
30:14sent the this you know pages of facts
30:16that they got from the pot the pilot
30:18instructor of Mousawi
30:20was sent to Great Britain and it was
30:23sent to France because he was French
30:25Moroccan France you know anything about
30:27this was sent right away they worked
30:30overnight it was sent there they fell on
30:32a also a we call him legal attache z--
30:36but FBI agents that are in embassies he
30:38ran it to the French right away to the
30:40French law enforcement and the French
30:44you know equivalent of their
30:45intelligence agencies and they looked at
30:47and they said all while and they sent
30:49right back it's just a few days later
30:51they sent back that that Mousawi
30:54was
30:55was recruiting for a bin khattab and
30:58actually he even recruited one of his
31:01friends who have been killed in fighting
31:02in Chechnya so you know this this this
31:06piece of information was put immediately
31:08into the facts and yet headquarters you
31:11know who cares well we don't know this
31:14memo that that existed if you see the
31:17date up there it's April 2001 and again
31:21the the supervisors and the officials at
31:24FBI headquarters even though their names
31:27are right there these are all like
31:29assistant directors at the bottom one to
31:31Picard he became the acting FBI director
31:33one to roll-ons but the Rowland's their
31:36names are right down there they claim
31:38they never saw it okay I think you might
31:42see where I'm going with this if and I'm
31:45not the only person the 9/11 Commission
31:48says not 9/11 was a failure that would
31:53they say it was a failure to connect the
31:54dots it was a failure to read
31:57information for starters just to read it
32:00then to share information because the
32:04agencies were not sharing in furn
32:06tearing information inside the agencies
32:08let alone between agencies and then
32:11third to act on the information and
32:14maybe the most egregious failure to act
32:17on information was George Tenet was the
32:20director of Central Intelligence and the
32:23and he was he was CIA director but this
32:26was before they formed the National
32:29Intelligence Center and everything after
32:32after 9/11 they formed this Center and
32:34now they have an intelligence czar
32:36director but before that it was George
32:39Tenet the CIA director was the director
32:42of Central Intelligence he was supposed
32:43to be overseeing all the intelligence
32:46community well on August 23rd he was
32:50briefed with a two slides entitled
32:54fundamentalist learns to fly and that
32:56was a slide about Mousawi and it had all
33:00of the suspicious things about him it
33:02was just two slides and it just had some
33:04bare bones and and he we don't know who
33:07else he might have briefed about that
33:08boy you know
33:09went up to the very top even though of
33:11the FBI didn't care and they weren't
33:13reading it the whole the head of the
33:15whole thing George Tenet knew about this
33:17on August 23rd 2001 and in fact on the
33:21morning of 9/11 he's having breakfast
33:24with his mentor in Oklahoma and someone
33:26runs in and says the plane has hit the
33:28World Trade Center and the first thing
33:31out of George Tenet smell 'this I wonder
33:33if it's the guy in Minnesota and that
33:36one newspaper article caught him saying
33:38that so it was kind of known later when
33:42he has to testify to the 9/11 Commission
33:44he's asked well why didn't you do
33:46anything why why didn't you act on this
33:49information that you knew of the
33:51information from Minnesota and he just
33:53kind of shrugs and says well I didn't
33:55think it was my job and that that's well
33:58and in theory you know he's he's CIA
34:00were they were the FBI so I thought the
34:03FBI would handle it that was his excuse
34:05so but this memo was was very key
34:10because if they had read it they all now
34:12say including Rollins who was was the
34:15boss of the supervisors he says if he
34:18would have seen this memo would have
34:19changed everything
34:20because then he would have known that
34:22you bin khattab and bin Laden were
34:24entwined because one of the arguments
34:26was that the Chechen terrorist group was
34:29not a real terrorist group partly
34:32because we we always use these groups as
34:36proxy forces and in Chechnya especially
34:39know what they're fighting the the
34:41Soviets and whatever so when you're
34:43using them you're kind of loath to call
34:45them put them on a terrorist list and
34:47and we've had to take other terrorist
34:49groups off our list in order to use them
34:52we took an Iranian mech group Mujahideen
34:55khalq under Hillary Clinton with we took
34:58them off the list even though they'd
34:59killed Americans and everything why
35:01because we're using them now in Iran to
35:04do to assassinate etc so we had to take
35:07them off and on off and on these
35:08terrorist lists and so that's probably
35:10one of the reasons why you know they
35:12didn't want to go too far with the fact
35:14that bin Laden and Gibbon Kitab were
35:16connected but anyways nobody even claims
35:19or says that they even read the memo and
35:22it
35:23would have made a big difference now I'm
35:26gonna go back here if I can find it
35:28so one of the conversations in the
35:32lead-up to in the lead-up to 9/11 the
35:37effort the FBI agents not me I was just
35:39the legal counsel in the office and so I
35:42knew these agents were tearing their
35:44hair out I would talk to him a little
35:45bit in the hallways and I knew that they
35:47were trying desperately and I knew all
35:50of these shenanigans that were going on
35:53and of course they were trying to go up
35:54to the boss to call the boss you always
35:57have to go up echelons in these
35:59hierarchies but it the Minneapolis
36:01office didn't have a our special agent
36:04in charge had just retired and so there
36:07wasn't anyone with this sufficient clout
36:09to make the call in to headquarters to
36:11say hey why are you giving a runaround
36:13to these agents they they found a
36:15terrorist suspect here and so that was
36:17one of the problems but during one of
36:20these conversations I want to say August
36:2328th the supervisor is on the hour
36:26supervisor Minneapolis supervisor is on
36:29the phone and he is trying to make them
36:32desperately see what is the risk here
36:35and he actually sit on the phone don't
36:38you know this is a guy who could fly
36:40into the World Trade Center he said this
36:42in August of 2001 and and yet condi rice
36:48and robert muller and george tenet in
36:53all of those officials of course they're
36:55all planning nefarious other things that
36:57had nothing to do with 9/11 and they
36:59desperately don't want the truth to come
37:01out they all go out in front of cameras
37:04in the days after 9/11 and said no one
37:07could have known or done anything to
37:10prevent this
37:11they said condi said nobody would know a
37:15plane could fly into a building
37:17even though condi rice was involved in
37:19training exercises or that was part of
37:22the of the thing that was part of the
37:24narrative that they were planning for
37:26and yet she went in front of cameras and
37:28said and said these things and and our
37:31agent had actually presently had
37:33actually said this is a guy who could
37:35fly into a World Trade Center
37:37now he wrote it though he had proof
37:38because when he he they were keeping
37:40notes of everything and he actually
37:42wrote that down in his notes and the the
37:45guy at headquarters says I don't
37:46remember I don't remember that so most
37:48of what the answer is on all of these
37:50things is don't remember that our acting
37:54director tried to tell attorney general
37:57Ashcroft in July to you know be more
38:02concerned about terrorism make it the
38:05top priority why because they were being
38:08flooded with intelligence not just that
38:11last memo I told you April 2001 that was
38:14one but there were other memos that were
38:16just flooding in saying that you know we
38:19were gonna suffer an attack now we had
38:22already suffered attacks the embassies
38:24in Africa had been bombed the Col Navy
38:28ship had been bombed and by the way that
38:31was all the the same people that were
38:32connected the Khobar towers in Saudi
38:36Arabia had been bombed I minnesotan died
38:39in the Khobar towers bombing in the late
38:4190s and that was covered up by Louis
38:43Freeh he said he said the same thing
38:45Iranian did it and it almost certainly
38:48was al Qaeda they were trying to kick
38:50the United States military out of Saudi
38:52Arabia so there had been these other
38:54attacks and plus they were getting all
38:56this intelligence to the point where the
38:599/11 Commission the chapter about all of
39:01this intelligence coming in is entitled
39:04the system was blinking red that's the
39:08title of the chapter now just remember
39:10it didn't come out till about three
39:11years too late but that's the name of
39:13the chapter and they said that Richard
39:15Clark who was the intelligence director
39:17and George Tenet who was the head of all
39:19counterterrorism and all intelligence in
39:21the United States they said their hair
39:23was on fire their hair was on fire they
39:27were getting so much and Richard Clark
39:28says you know I was calling him daily
39:30about this Richard Clark was pleading
39:33with condi rice he tried pleading he's
39:35written a whole book about it and he
39:37went on 60 minutes he was pleading with
39:39her to have a meeting about trying to
39:42stop terrorism and yet after 9/11 no no
39:45one no one would have known no one would
39:48have known that nine oh that playing
39:50fly into a building that's the end of
39:59there's more this is that that into that
40:01memo by the way I'm not leaking a
40:04classified document the only case that
40:07went to court and and it's the reason we
40:11know any of this that's the only reason
40:13Phillip Sheen and new found out about
40:15this narrow mischance
40:17is because one of the terrorist suspects
40:21and really of all of them has been tried
40:23in federal court as a crime as a regular
40:28crime instead of this war on terror and
40:31that person was Mousawi and there were
40:34two hun I think two hundred and sixty or
40:36maybe it's even more than that but a few
40:38hundred exhibits that came out in that
40:42trial and this was an exhibit in
40:44moussaoui's trial and people didn't even
40:46notice it until Philip Sheen and found
40:48it you know it's it's one of hundreds of
40:50exhibits but that's the only thing that
40:53that's the only way that we learned
40:54anything about the truth of this because
40:56otherwise in a war it remains classified
40:58intelligence remains classified for for
41:01almost forever
41:02there are things from sinking the
41:04Lusitania that are still classified so
41:07if you don't have a federal trial it's
41:09one of the ways that you learn things
41:14okay so one of the things that's been
41:18covered up for a significant period of
41:20time and and this did get some news
41:22coverage so you might well know about it
41:24was called the 28 pages the Joint
41:28Intelligence Committee produced a couple
41:30of reports they had I think a pretty
41:33good Pentagon analyst to produce this
41:35preliminary report
41:37her name was Eleanor Eleanor can't
41:41remember last name but she was pretty
41:42good and she produced a report pretty
41:44quickly to this is where I first
41:46testified to the Joint Intelligence
41:47Committee but when she testified and
41:50gave this first preliminary report of
41:52the Joint Intelligence Committee
41:53she actually said before I start I gotta
41:56tell you I was not allowed to go up very
41:59high you know Here I am
42:01whatever her rank is you know it's it's
42:04no colonel or something I don't know but
42:06it's it's not as high as the president
42:08and so she was stopped and could not go
42:11above that level and so she actually
42:13said you know I'll tell you what I know
42:14but I was not allowed to question the
42:16president or any of these people and she
42:19did she did a fair job and actually in
42:22the course of the Joint Intelligence
42:23Committee they had found out that all
42:26some of the funding for the hijackers
42:29and the support for the hijackers I told
42:32you two of them came in to California
42:34and I was all secret that from the FBI
42:36you know until the until too late but
42:39they were helped and who were they
42:42helped by finding apartments they were
42:44helped given money different things and
42:47I think they even attended a mosque that
42:50Awlaki wasn't was involved in etc well
42:53they were helped by well the 9/11 the
42:579/11 pages doesn't say exactly this they
43:01just have the facts down about money
43:03going and one of them the money goes
43:06from Bandar bin Sultan who's like a
43:10nephew he's a very high level in the
43:14Saud family he's been an ambassador and
43:17in the United States for decades and he
43:19was close close friends with with the
43:22Bush family and in fact his nickname was
43:25banned our Bush his Bandar bin Sultan
43:28but his nickname was banned our Bush
43:30because he was so close with them and
43:32you know they did favors for each other
43:35and etc and anyways there's there's
43:39money that flows from his wife it's kind
43:42of circuitous right to these terrorists
43:44suspects and then there's other Saudi
43:47officials and if you really research
43:50this now they've done a pretty good job
43:51of learning that some of the Saud family
43:54of course are fundamentalist Wahhabi you
43:59know people and that they were helping
44:01the terrorists now this was all covered
44:03up now
44:04the head of our Senate committee that
44:06did the Joint Intelligence Committee was
44:08Bob Graham and Bob Graham has written a
44:11whole book about this as well you know
44:14the the good thing is one of the reasons
44:15I can speak a little freely now
44:18is that this isn't Coleen Rowley
44:19speaking from my experience there's
44:21books written about it now very few
44:23people in United States know it because
44:25our media suppresses all of this but in
44:28fact there are books and these officials
44:30who lived in Bridget including Bob
44:32Graham he was a longtime senator and he
44:35was furious because when this this these
44:3928 pages that document oh and the
44:42veranda sitting on the veranda it's Dick
44:45Cheney Ben Bandar bin Sultan condi rice
44:49and Bush and the only thing is it almost
44:52looks like they're having a drink or
44:53something on the veranda and I I always
44:55wondered when was this photo taken was
44:57it taken after 9/11 where they're like
44:59sitting there I don't know when it was
45:01taken but this is a pretty incredible
45:03thing where they're all like having a
45:06conversation going back to the 28 pages
45:10I'm Bob Graham was furious that this was
45:15squashed completely squashed and
45:18censored it was completely blacked out
45:21and so it was really the only thing
45:24that's blacked out of the report and the
45:26families then have to fight because they
45:29are trying through lawsuits to sue you
45:32know responsible parties and some of the
45:34families are trying to sue Saudi Arabia
45:36and they tried the court says no
45:39evidence no evidence well of course the
45:41evidence is blacked out so they they're
45:44there their suit was dismissed a couple
45:47of times
45:47finally in 2016 I think or 17 they
45:54finally get Congress to pass a law
45:56called the Jasta jast a which stands for
46:01I should be I shouldn't remember these
46:05acronyms but it's it's you know fighting
46:08terrorism sup you know whatever and it
46:10allows families to sue Saudi Arabia no
46:14other foreign country but Saudi Arabia
46:16made one exception and one of the
46:18reasons for that is Graham and others
46:20were finally getting through to the
46:23media and it was creating some pressure
46:25so they finally Congress passed this law
46:27and then Obama vetoed it
46:31you know he'll say well I don't want to
46:33create bad foreign relations with Saudi
46:35Arabia so we can't you know let these
46:38pages come out and then they course they
46:40downplay they said it's meaningless when
46:42it goes to the 9/11 Commission the
46:44writer of the 9/11 Commission report
46:46zelich oh you know deliberately candid
46:49he didn't want to hear about it and it
46:50was never investigated and he fired a
46:53couple of the investigators that were
46:56looking into this thing they were let go
46:58so it's obviously that this this was
47:01pretty important that it was that Saudi
47:04Arabia officials some Saudi Arabia
47:08officials and by the way miss Aoi says
47:10it's too now the lawyers for these
47:12families have been able to interview him
47:16in prison in supermax prison and I don't
47:19know how much of this could be true or
47:21not he certainly has a motive
47:23and he was he was not seen as real
47:25stable anyways plus then he's been in
47:27supermax prison forever so heaven knows
47:29if how much of this could be true but he
47:32verified that there was bin Laden was
47:34actually conducting fundraising from top
47:37Saudis and you know it would stand a
47:41reason because bin Laden came from a
47:44respected wealthy family in in Saudi
47:47Arabia and the Wahabi religion is the
47:49official state religion so it would you
47:52know it wasn't like he was a rogue bin
47:55Laden was not necessarily considered a
47:57rogue in Saudi Arabia and it would not
48:00be surprising if top Saudi government
48:04officials were helping al Qaeda and yep
48:07you know it still remains the families
48:09have have collected a lot more evidence
48:12on this and we have hope that if this
48:15case goes forward and isn't dismissed a
48:19third time that maybe some more truth
48:22will come out about it but no one knows
48:24for sure there this is the I don't think
48:28it says in here the name of it but this
48:29is the Jasta and after after it passed
48:33in Congress Saudi Arabia of course has
48:35lots of money they actually would take
48:36Congress people and military people on
48:39junkets to Saudi Arabia to try to
48:41influence them so that they would not
48:43allow this case
48:45go forward and they've they've spent
48:46millions on lobbying and PR and
48:48everything else on this and trying to
48:50fight it okay so at about two I'll stop
48:57for questions or so okay you know this
49:01is 911 isn't the end Charlie Wilson's
49:05War is not the only time that we have
49:11used proxy forces and don't tell the
49:15American public who we really are arming
49:18and funding and the last case was Syria
49:21the you know the group that is the al
49:24Qaeda group in Syria and it's one of the
49:26reasons
49:27Oh bomb ax was hesitant he had a lot of
49:31pressure and to this day there's a ton
49:33of pressure now on Trump to have all-out
49:36war in Syria why because it's on the
49:39list and it's it's the country before
49:41Iran and so there's been pressure on all
49:43these presidents but Obama was was
49:46hesitant he at one time was pressured to
49:48bomb Syria and he pulled back from it
49:50but he was he was pressured but this
49:53defense intelligence assessment did leak
49:55somehow and it basically says you know
49:59we're on the side of the al-nusrah and
50:01the other terrorists in Syria and the
50:04assad government is but what this is
50:06what we want because we're trying to
50:08topple the Assad government so we will
50:10use these proxy forces Petraeus gave a
50:13has given some foreign policy talks and
50:17whatever and he says well maybe it's
50:18time to cozy up to El noose right now
50:21they're better than Isis so when you
50:23create a in a terrorist group that's
50:27even worse than al-qaeda now you can go
50:29out and say well oh maybe al-qaeda can
50:32be our friends because there's now even
50:33a worse group and we'll fight them but
50:36the truth is these terrorist groups have
50:38mushroomed they've mushroomed and you
50:41know they call it whack-a-mole so one
50:43mushrooms up who's worse than the others
50:45and you have to hit that one down and
50:47then another one comes up and as long as
50:49our foreign policy and this whole thing
50:52does not change I think that we will
50:54continue to see an increase in terrorism
50:56it'll do
50:57be new new groups they can call
50:59themselves new names in Syria they
51:01changed their names a million times you
51:03can't even keep up with the new names
51:05and part of that reason is that you know
51:07it's kind of fool everybody so you don't
51:09recognize the name anymore they come up
51:11every week they they come up with a new
51:13name and but this Defense Intelligence
51:17Estimate leak because it did tell the
51:19truth about it well this is a this is
51:30just a nutshell by Andrew base of it was
51:33a was a Boston University historian has
51:37anyone heard him speak he's been here
51:39four or five times yeah he's he's
51:41written four or five books you know he
51:43really knows this stuff inside and out
51:46and he's you know his own son got killed
51:48in Iraq as well and he is really good
51:51and he just this is kind of in a
51:53nutshell what would what went on here in
51:56this effort to utopian globalism where
51:59the United States would be the
52:01indispensable exceptional indispensable
52:04leader of the world the real problem now
52:07and this is you know having read all
52:11these foreign policy things for years
52:13now is that after 9/11 we had it
52:17relatively easy in launching wars on
52:22really defenseless countries Afghanistan
52:26Iraq Syria Yemen Somalia
52:32you know those countries don't even have
52:35military defenses and so for Americans
52:38that seemed pretty like war is easy if
52:40we even the first two war boots on the
52:42ground Afghanistan and Iraq but still a
52:44few up I think it's about 8,000
52:47casualties that's nothing compared to
52:50the casualties over there you know if
52:52you went by the Vietnam War standard
52:53where you just count the number of
52:55people you kill and you say you're
52:56winning because you've killing you know
52:58millions of people well they've they
53:00killed you know a million or so in in
53:02the Mideast and maybe more much more if
53:05you consider the chaos that got
53:07unleashed but Americans had relatively
53:09little costs
53:11and that's the that's one of my articles
53:12about the recipe concocted for perpetual
53:16war is after Vietnam they realized that
53:20Vietnam syndrome where people really
53:23understood that the Vietnam War had been
53:26a mistake and that what were we fighting
53:29for they had this domino theory it
53:31turned out not to be true and in the
53:33meantime you killed a lot of melee
53:35massacres and all the rest and you
53:37killed a lot of the Vietnamese peasants
53:39but what was the purpose of it and you
53:42know people had what they called a
53:44reluctance John McCain you know would
53:47actually give speeches and others did to
53:49West Point
53:50West Point generals would write essays
53:52about how to defeat Vietnam syndrome so
53:56we can make the American public more
54:00gung-ho on launching Wars and you know
54:04that's one of the things they were able
54:06over time to get the polls way down now
54:09and I this latest documentary with burns
54:11Novick on the Vietnam War they're trying
54:13to rehabilitate the Vietnam War so that
54:16it seems like we really did have a noble
54:18cause etc and so over time that that has
54:21gone down and they defeated Vietnam
54:23syndrome also of course getting rid of
54:25the draft and the other big thing is no
54:28boots on the ground so by merely
54:30concentrating on aerial bombing and
54:33drone bombing there's of course very
54:35little casualties to the United States
54:37and the other thing is a national debt
54:40that is just allowed to soar and it's up
54:44it's up to 21 trillion somebody asked me
54:46about the national debt before and
54:47saying that was bin Laden's idea to
54:49begin with it's now up to 21 trillion
54:51with no end in sight and so very very
54:54dangerous for the United States in the
54:56scheme of things for national security
54:58this kind of thing but what is it what
55:00does it do keeps Americans from knowing
55:02James Madison had said back when he was
55:05writing the Constitution that you know
55:07will never be have standing armies
55:09because as soon as we levy taxes to pay
55:12for this military and right now it's
55:14about a trillion dollars a year you know
55:16as soon as the Americans have to pay for
55:18this they will say you know it would
55:21come to about
55:22around $50,000 maybe even to $100,000
55:26per taxpayer right now per family if we
55:30were to have paid for all of these wars
55:32it's it's something like at least seven
55:35eight trillion dollars and you divide it
55:37by you know the the tax payers and you
55:39get several you know tens of thousands
55:44of dollars now if a bill came I would
55:47say even for 1/10 of that amount next
55:49tomorrow we say you know what we're
55:51conservative let's pay down some of this
55:54war debt you know 21 trillion let's pay
55:561000 we'll pay you pay 100th of what
56:00they've cost Wars would probably end
56:02tomorrow how many people would pay
56:04$1,000 you know even a small fraction of
56:07what we now own but by having the
56:09sliding thing so no one is aware of the
56:12fact that you know the worst cost
56:14anything and so it's pretty cost free
56:17that's part of my article that I wrote
56:19there and and it's also you know how
56:22difficult it is and this is why we're on
56:24this treadmill now of a perpetual war
56:29John McCain when he ran you remember he
56:32came here with Sarah Palin and and and
56:36campaigned a couple times and he said
56:40that the he didn't call it perpetual war
56:43he said this war will last another 100
56:45years and you know so 100 years
56:49perpetual war it's you know it's beyond
56:51most of us to contemplate the problem is
56:53it was quite easy with these countries
56:55that didn't have defenses but now we are
56:58looking at the last three or so three or
57:00four including the main one of course
57:03Russia which has you know a couple
57:05thousand nuclear missiles I think it's
57:10not a couple thousand but it's like a
57:12thousand on trigger alert just says we
57:15have on them and even if a a few hundred
57:18of these nuclear bombs go off it creates
57:22a global winter and even if we don't get
57:25a direct hit it's pretty much the end of
57:27a map of human civilization and so we
57:30are looking now at confronting Russia
57:32and China Trump is doing that through
57:35trade wars but
57:36in China and Iran and North Korea those
57:39are kind of like the last four that are
57:41out there that are not either not in our
57:43our umbrella or in the Mideast and these
57:47are not the same as you know we've kind
57:50of gotten so lacs about it because
57:51there's it's been so cost-free but what
57:54we're looking at now and this very
57:56dangerous time is actually not cost-free
57:59this is really really dangerous stuff to
58:03be talking about and during the Cold War
58:05you know we all had to go under the
58:07desks how many people had to practice I
58:09was the last of the baby boomers I think
58:11I was towards the Tauri I'm in the
58:14middle of the baby boomers I think but
58:15anyways we had to practice so it was one
58:17of the last times you had a had a siren
58:19going off and you were supposed to get
58:21under your desk and people were quite
58:23aware at the time of the danger of
58:25having these nuclear bombs on trigger
58:27alert that's why Reagan to his credit
58:31and Gorbachev really came to their
58:34senses and reduced it it's why of
58:37Kennedy John F Kennedy finally listened
58:41not to the crazy Curtis LeMay Warhawks
58:43that were telling him to bomb Cuba but
58:46he listened to the one or two sane
58:47voices at that table because it looks
58:50like you know you're gonna start this
58:51and nobody can end it once these things
58:54go off it's and we just don't have the
58:56political will right now the American
58:58people I'm really dismayed I've kind of
59:00I was much more of an activist here's my
59:03I was an activist that's me there
59:05standing behind the flag and we used to
59:09uh I I always said okay we stood out on
59:12a corner and I said you know we will
59:15really put it in question marks so we
59:17can make people think and and actually
59:19sometimes cars would stop slow down and
59:22they try to answer the questions but I
59:25was I was I was actually a little more
59:26of an activist you know 17 years ago and
59:29and ten years ago or whatever as we're
59:32getting more and more along I really am
59:35having a hard time myself and not in
59:38losing hope about this because it just
59:41seems like no matter what president no
59:43matter who votes in it doesn't matter
59:45the party this war McCain you know his
59:49legacy
59:50he might be right a hundred year war but
59:52he won't be he won't be right if it
59:54turns into a nuclear holocaust and his
59:57legacy you know he won't even have
59:58anyone to glorify is his legacy if in
1:00:03fact he gets what he wanted which was
1:00:04this all-out war
1:00:06so yeah 9/11 9/11 is the things you
1:00:10might have read or seen about it and the
1:00:12the media establishment mostly not true
1:00:15to this day we don't know a lot of
1:00:17things to this day there's still a lot
1:00:19of murky parts of it
1:00:21I just watched I'm gonna stop here but I
1:00:24just watched a video called it's called
1:00:27911 follow the money and so have you
1:00:31seen this one it's got two million
1:00:33people have seen it it's the Corbett
1:00:35report and it was done in 2015 it's got
1:00:38a lot of people that have seen it and
1:00:40that's pretty well-documented about how
1:00:42much money was traded insider trading
1:00:46and they all made unprecedented amounts
1:00:49of money maybe somebody knew that 9/11
1:00:52was going to happen because all of a
1:00:54sudden they had all of these trades and
1:00:56people they called him put they were
1:00:58betting against United and American and
1:01:00stuff and they made all this money so
1:01:02there this is a good video it's about an
1:01:04hour long and but that's just one of the
1:01:07areas to this day that was never
1:01:09investigated you know it was or if it
1:01:11was investigated it wasn't investigated
1:01:13very well so thanks for listening and
1:01:17there's AI have more in my pieces and
1:01:20I'll be happy to answer questions and I
1:01:22have the mic and I would because this
1:01:25program is being filmed I'd really
1:01:27appreciate it if people use the mic to
1:01:29ask questions could somebody over there
1:01:31under the night switches just pull up
1:01:33push up on the rheostat so we can get
1:01:35light who has a question I'll bring you
1:01:37the mic okay I'm gonna do my best it's
1:01:40not so easy because there's people
1:01:41sitting down but I see a couple of
1:01:43questions one of the things I think
1:01:48we've lost the moral compass and I I
1:01:51don't know if I'm correcting this but I
1:01:53think all but one of the hijackers was
1:01:56Saudi Arabia and I think we have sold
1:01:58out to oil we just that whole thing of
1:02:03losing the moral calm
1:02:04we're just in a mire swamp it was a
1:02:09couple of points about this 15 of the 19
1:02:12were Saudis the other four were United
1:02:16Arab Emirates I think one was Libyan do
1:02:21you know what the other four were that
1:02:22were not Saudi okay let me think Oh eat
1:02:28Egyptian Otto was Egyptian so four of
1:02:33them were not Saudi but that they were
1:02:35all in this Wahhabi persuasion which is
1:02:38Saudi Arabia is a place that's
1:02:40originated this extreme you know very
1:02:43fundamentalist form form and the other
1:02:47thing you mentioned is the moral compass
1:02:48what I've noticed also is that the
1:02:51ability through propaganda to persuade
1:02:56people that we are doing the moral thing
1:02:59it goes back to Vietnam where they said
1:03:02we have to bomb the village to save it
1:03:04and so if you and I you know if it was
1:03:07Robert Delahunty was coming he would
1:03:09probably be a good one to bring up the
1:03:11ticking time-bomb hypothetical on
1:03:14torture because this whole group of
1:03:16people that decided to authorize torture
1:03:19believed in this this ends justify the
1:03:23means form of ethics utilitarian ethics
1:03:27and there's actually two forms of
1:03:30utilitarian ethics but the one form is
1:03:32that you concoct a happy ending a good
1:03:37goal like it's like Vietnam if you're if
1:03:39your goal is to liberate people if your
1:03:41goal is to get information to find the
1:03:43ticking time bomb to save lives in New
1:03:45York City so what you're doing is you're
1:03:47you're positing or concocting this real
1:03:51great outcome and then rationalizing
1:03:54backwards
1:03:55despite facts and saying well now the
1:03:58ends justify the means because you have
1:04:00this great goal and so that's you know
1:04:03we had actually a st. Thomas ethicist
1:04:06write about this I've been in I've been
1:04:08in panels fighting with a utilitarian
1:04:11emphasis that that said torture is
1:04:14ethical and that's their moral compass
1:04:15because they they
1:04:17their heads they're creating this good
1:04:18outcome ends justify the means
1:04:20so that's a problem to be we do it too
1:04:23with humanitarian war principles right
1:04:26now under Obama they found that this was
1:04:29kind of really seductive to people
1:04:31because they say they're fighting for
1:04:32human rights and and Samantha power has
1:04:36written books about this you know ending
1:04:37genocide whatever but the problem is
1:04:40it's a self appointment of the United
1:04:43States that gets to determine as a
1:04:46policeman of the world where as a
1:04:48genocide that we get what bombing
1:04:51bombing Libya was like this bombing
1:04:53Libya was justified by Hillary Clinton
1:04:56Samantha power and Susan Rice three
1:04:58women who actually convinced the male's
1:05:01the defense secretary gates didn't want
1:05:04to bomb Libya but it was the three
1:05:06females who overpowered and they used
1:05:09humanitarian is called right to protect
1:05:11claiming that they had to protect the
1:05:14people in Benghazi and that's why we had
1:05:16a bomb Libya it's same as bombing the
1:05:18village to save it exactly and that's
1:05:20that's very good good point about the
1:05:23moral compass yes in fall of 1999 Bill
1:05:31Clinton talks in his memoir about
1:05:33causing the him to have in December
1:05:37fearful of a bombing someplace on the
1:05:41first of the new century heaven meet
1:05:45every morning with all the century all
1:05:48the intelligence heads meet and talk to
1:05:52one another break down the walls which
1:05:56they did but a few months later on
1:06:01George Bush they had a lot of chatter on
1:06:04the internet and radio in the summer of
1:06:08wool one he was in Texas and he met once
1:06:13I think with his CIA guy but that's all
1:06:17there was no example followed on that
1:06:23point exactly that lead up to the change
1:06:27of the millennium there were a lot of
1:06:29warnings that
1:06:30our computers would fail and that
1:06:32because of the clock and everything and
1:06:35the our FBI analysts wrote a big
1:06:37document called migite or something like
1:06:39that I can't the title was from Israel
1:06:42but it was about fanatics that was try
1:06:46to lead a charge in Israel Megiddo was
1:06:48the title of it and it was circulated
1:06:50and there was a lot of emphasis and
1:06:53concern I I spent the night the night of
1:06:56the New Year's Eve a whole bunch of us
1:06:58were in the office at night waiting for
1:07:00something to happen so that's exactly
1:07:03right and they caught and they caught a
1:07:05terrorists coming down from Canada that
1:07:08was going to bomb the Los Angeles
1:07:09Airport and probably they caught that
1:07:12person it was a very what astute female
1:07:17customs officer who noticed something
1:07:20wrong about the guy but maybe some of
1:07:22this this over emphasis on things
1:07:25probably was in the backdrop of her head
1:07:27and so she stops him and she finds out
1:07:29so and you'll often find that's the case
1:07:32you know with with with detecting actual
1:07:35not fake terrorism not entrapments that
1:07:38they do they do a lot of these you know
1:07:40close to entrapping where they coerced
1:07:42vulnerable vulnerable people to you know
1:07:45say that they're gonna press a bomb or
1:07:47something I'm not talking about that
1:07:49the real ones that they have caught the
1:07:52shoe bomber the the air underwear bomber
1:07:55the Times Square bomber you know who
1:07:58caught them not the CIA not the NSA not
1:08:02the FBI people people caught all of
1:08:06these and so if you keep it quiet that
1:08:10there's all this intelligence the 9/11
1:08:13Commission actually said they failed to
1:08:15share the information with the public
1:08:18you know we get we get when I was work I
1:08:21retired in 2004 but you know all the
1:08:24people that are in government get
1:08:26pressured to keep all this secret you
1:08:28know I have friends that were
1:08:30whistleblowers that new airline security
1:08:33was lacs
1:08:34in fact the one one of my friends Bogdan
1:08:36the one I I co-authored WikiLeaks in
1:08:399/11 what would a thought with an FAA
1:08:42red team he was the red team leader and
1:08:46his name's Bogdan Djokovic and he found
1:08:48out that Logan Airport which is one of
1:08:51the airports that they that the
1:08:52hijackers came through will head lacs
1:08:55security they were able to smuggle
1:08:56weapons on etc etc he could not get
1:08:59anyone to listen to him about that and
1:09:01then he tried to become a whistleblower
1:09:02after 9/11 and it was totally squashed
1:09:05they put him in a you know in a closet
1:09:07counting paper clips for the rest of his
1:09:09career yeah and so he and I wrote this
1:09:12article because this is the problem the
1:09:14the the public actually needs to know
1:09:17information in order to protect itself
1:09:20when you're trying to catch a fugitive
1:09:22there you know America's Most Wanted do
1:09:24they keep it secret when they're looking
1:09:26for a dangerous fugitive there was a
1:09:29there was a killer that came through
1:09:31Minnesota when I was working in 97
1:09:33called Andrew Cunanan and he was he was
1:09:36killing people he killed like four or
1:09:38five or six people and I was our office
1:09:40spokesperson on it and what did we do
1:09:44first thing that we did we got all these
1:09:46photos of him and different looking
1:09:48different things and we put it out to
1:09:50the whole country because we wanted to
1:09:52stop him and you know what keeping it
1:09:55secret wasn't going to help we had to
1:09:56have people looking for him that was the
1:09:58whole thing up behind America's Most
1:10:00Wanted the same thing is true with with
1:10:02these warnings and stuff before the
1:10:04millennium I think everybody was quite
1:10:06aware of that the fact that some things
1:10:08could happen and it didn't you know it
1:10:10was good that it didn't happen and then
1:10:12all of this dropped afterwards our
1:10:15acting our acting FBI director Picard
1:10:19his name was Picard and he was free
1:10:21retired in June of 2001 and then we had
1:10:24an acting director before Robert Muller
1:10:26came on one week before 9/11 so in that
1:10:29meantime of the of the key two months be
1:10:32leading up to 9/11 there was an acting
1:10:34director Picard and in the 9/11
1:10:37Commission he testified and told them
1:10:39that he tried to get Ashcroft to be
1:10:42concerned about terrorism and Ashcroft
1:10:45told him I don't want to hear another
1:10:47word about terrorism and that's actually
1:10:50in the 9/11 Commission he tried a few
1:10:52times you know to warn him and then
1:10:54Ashcroft you know just say
1:10:55want to hear about it Ashcroft in August
1:10:58placed violent crime is his number one
1:11:01priority and terrorism was almost the
1:11:03bottom of his priorities okay
1:11:08yes there was a really interesting front
1:11:11line you've probably seen it on John
1:11:14O'Neil and you mentioned connecting the
1:11:18dots well from what I saw an error he
1:11:22didn't even need the CIA he was
1:11:24connecting the dots and he had a great
1:11:26intelligence network out of Yemen
1:11:29however everything that he was doing was
1:11:32basically just squashed by Louis Freeh
1:11:34had that he had he been allowed to do
1:11:37his work that could what's your thought
1:11:40that could have made a big difference I
1:11:41think yeah I didn't know John O'Neill
1:11:44personally but I know of him quite well
1:11:46and like everyone he's kind of a mixed
1:11:48bag and one of the reasons why Louis
1:11:51Freeh probably did like him or came not
1:11:55to like him and eventually forced him to
1:11:58resign he did leave his briefcase with
1:12:01classified documents in a hotel room but
1:12:03they forced him but you know what
1:12:05probably more a lot of people do that
1:12:07and they don't have hardly minor
1:12:09punishment for something like that Louis
1:12:11Freeh forced him to resign from the FBI
1:12:14just a few weeks before 9/11 and he got
1:12:18a job as the World Trade Center security
1:12:21head and on the day of he ran back into
1:12:25the building and died it's incredible he
1:12:27was the head of the only unit in the FBI
1:12:30that was working on al-qaeda in New York
1:12:33City and I would say what probably
1:12:35wasn't just him alone I there's a
1:12:37there's an agent who's actually spoken
1:12:40here a couple of times once at Walter
1:12:42Mondale's Humphrey Institute his name is
1:12:45Ali su Phan and Ali sufen was you know
1:12:49became a whistleblower because he was
1:12:51the guy who was first interviewing the
1:12:54terrorist suspects when they were caught
1:12:56he got information from them and then
1:12:58this light occurred that we have to
1:13:00start torturing the CIA but Ali Soufan
1:13:03worked on the same squad as John O'Neill
1:13:08and and
1:13:09in Yemen it was a Lisa fine well he was
1:13:13only one of seven agents who spoke a
1:13:15little Arabic he is a Lebanese American
1:13:17and he spoke Arabic so he had almost
1:13:20solved the Cole bombing Ali sue fine and
1:13:23of course John O'Neill there was another
1:13:25agent in there by the last name of
1:13:27Cloonan but there were a few of them
1:13:29that were the only agents that really
1:13:31were working hard on al Qaeda yeah and I
1:13:35think one of the reasons that Louis
1:13:37Freeh probably made him resign was he
1:13:39didn't approve of his personal lifestyle
1:13:42John O'Neill had a very racy personal
1:13:46with wimp womanizing and drinking and
1:13:49things like that and so there was an
1:13:51Louis Freeh was this kind of very
1:13:52squared away you know Catholic and
1:13:55whatever so you know that they had a
1:13:57difference of personalities and their
1:14:00they had had friction but going back to
1:14:03this torture thing when Ollie sufen
1:14:05realized that we were going down that
1:14:07road and we were going to start
1:14:08torturing he called back now of course
1:14:11John O'Neill was no longer there but he
1:14:13called straight to the head of the New
1:14:15York office a guy named Pat de Mauro and
1:14:18he said what is going on you know what
1:14:21is this we're gonna go down this we're
1:14:23gonna be torturing and immoral then
1:14:25called up Muller and they decided that
1:14:27the FBI would not participate so of all
1:14:31of the agencies that went along with
1:14:32this now one of our agents stayed and
1:14:36watched it I mean some fun left he
1:14:39didn't even stay to watch it but the
1:14:41other agents stayed and you know
1:14:43witnessed it or whatever but so you know
1:14:46there were some good agents and John
1:14:48O'Neill had figured out a lot of things
1:14:50he wasn't the only one because if he had
1:14:52a good squad of people including Stefan
1:14:54that was working on it as I recall there
1:14:59was almost an attack in Paris that
1:15:01preceded the 9/11 bombing that the
1:15:04French security people caught and
1:15:06prevented could you tell us a little bit
1:15:08more about that and then do you have a
1:15:10approximate time that that was yeah you
1:15:13know I think it was to fly in to the
1:15:15Eiffel Tower and again the al-qaeda
1:15:18wanted to always do these dramatic
1:15:20spectacular things before they just
1:15:22speak
1:15:22you know before it devolved into Isis
1:15:25where your beheading or whatever this
1:15:26the whole point is to grab people's
1:15:29emotions and so by having a spectacular
1:15:32thing this idea of flying into the
1:15:34Eiffel Tower there's another one besides
1:15:36that which was the the ringleader of al
1:15:40Qaeda that planned all of this is Khalid
1:15:42Sheikh Mohammed and Khalid Sheikh
1:15:45Mohammed had a nephew by the last name
1:15:48of hrus am am i right
1:15:51resin yeah I think it's rasam and he had
1:15:55the similar idea of flying a plane into
1:15:58CIA headquarters and these were all in
1:16:01the years you know I can't give you the
1:16:03exact thing but a couple of years before
1:16:059/11 he eventually got caught but there
1:16:08was a plan also a plan with Khalid
1:16:10Sheikh Mohammed and his nephew to put
1:16:12bombs on like 12 airliners at the same
1:16:16time and luck by luck I think it was in
1:16:18the Philippines an apartment fire
1:16:21started and they they stopped the fire
1:16:23and they found all these plans was
1:16:26called the Bojinka conspiracy but the
1:16:29al-qaeda was planning to put bombs on 12
1:16:31airliners simultaneously as well as
1:16:34flying now I will just say one thing we
1:16:37don't know exactly what Mousawi was was
1:16:39researching but he had all of these wind
1:16:43wind patterns on his computer his laptop
1:16:46had things like that and there's there's
1:16:49some evidence I can't really tell you
1:16:51place it exactly but there's some
1:16:52evidence that they were also thinking
1:16:55about flying into a nuclear plant and
1:16:58you know I'm one I'm skeptical our
1:17:01nuclear plants tell you that that the
1:17:03concrete is so thick that even if a
1:17:06jetliner flew in it would not it would
1:17:09not go off it would not set up you know
1:17:12a nuclear chain reaction and meltdown
1:17:15and all that they say that but I am not
1:17:18so sure if a plane hitting the right
1:17:21place in a nuclear plant and I think
1:17:24there's some evidence that that they had
1:17:25a few different plans like this and then
1:17:27they ended up doing just like the easy
1:17:30things like the underwear bomber in the
1:17:32shoe bomber those became the less
1:17:34dramatic and
1:17:35you know unless mass mass casualties but
1:17:38still pretty still pretty significant
1:17:40and now they've gone to driving cars
1:17:43Isis just pickets rents on a truck or a
1:17:46car and drives into a crowd and I'll
1:17:48tell you what really hard to prevent
1:17:50somebody from renting a car a truck and
1:17:52driving into a crowd anywhere that's the
1:17:55newest yeah I'm just trying to connect
1:17:58some of the dots of what you're saying
1:18:00and and you were talking about this
1:18:02connection between the Saudi elite and
1:18:08the Bush family and this in this whole
1:18:10reluctance to pay attention to the the
1:18:13fact that this might happen and yes and
1:18:16then the the connection to let's have
1:18:17perpetual Wars and are you really
1:18:20suggesting that there was some kind of a
1:18:23loose or a conspiracy to let this happen
1:18:27so that we could use as a pretext I'll
1:18:30go with the term that the through the
1:18:33agent in our office who testified in the
1:18:37Mousawi case he was the main witness one
1:18:40of the main witnesses his name's Harry
1:18:41salmon his name is not secret because he
1:18:44testified and he called it criminal
1:18:47negligence is is goes I think that's the
1:18:51best way to describe what I saw
1:18:53happening and now he's only talking
1:18:55about the Mousawi case but criminal
1:18:56negligence and I agree I think that some
1:18:59of it was just negligent you know
1:19:01negligence by the way if you know though
1:19:03there's an attorney out here you know
1:19:06that you know if it's just failure to
1:19:10shovel your sidewalk and someone slips
1:19:13you'll be negligent and that party can
1:19:15sue you but the police won't come and
1:19:18arrest you for mere negligence
1:19:20now the other one that everybody thinks
1:19:22of is deliberate intent and deliberate
1:19:25intent you know if it's a murder it's
1:19:27the what we think we seal the murder
1:19:29mysteries it's always cold blooded
1:19:31pre-planned not even passion it's always
1:19:34that other one where somebody is really
1:19:36you know trying to get the insurance
1:19:38proceeds deliberate or a real intent and
1:19:41deliberate I think what I know about 911
1:19:44is in this middle area called
1:19:46recklessness and that's when you should
1:19:48have been it should have been
1:19:50foreseeable and in this case there's
1:19:52open like a lot of reasons why this was
1:19:54foreseeable and then failure to to to
1:19:58deal with it and even though it's
1:19:59foreseeable and recklessness that's the
1:20:02same as somebody who's drunk you know
1:20:05has drunk too much and gets in their car
1:20:08and whatever they didn't intend to hit
1:20:11somebody head-on or whatever but if
1:20:13they've got themselves so drunk and got
1:20:15in their car they're gonna be held
1:20:16guilty or you know guilty criminally for
1:20:20recklessness and I think a lot of it
1:20:22borders on reckless you know from what I
1:20:24know and I also know that these
1:20:26motivations this like follow the money
1:20:28but there's more than that because
1:20:30keeping good foreign pilot good I
1:20:33shouldn't even say good but the foreign
1:20:35policy that the United States has long
1:20:37been involved in every president
1:20:39whatever is at odds with reducing
1:20:43terrorism because there are other goals
1:20:45their oil and resources and control and
1:20:49having other governments that we can
1:20:51basically you know tell them what to do
1:20:53there's all these other goals that are
1:20:55conflicting with reducing terrorism and
1:20:58I don't want to explain that but you
1:21:00know we should be able to allow to vote
1:21:01on this and say well is this what we
1:21:03want or do we want you know to reduce
1:21:05terrorism and have more peace in the
1:21:07world etc but we're not allowed where
1:21:09we're made to believe that that we're
1:21:12reducing terrorism when we're not and
1:21:14there are and making money is another
1:21:16whole part of this the the the most of
1:21:19the officials most of the officials that
1:21:23are involved in this sure I could just
1:21:25name the whole list of these
1:21:27neoconservative Warhawks all have made
1:21:31hand-over-fist money and they go back
1:21:33and forth with Petraeus revolving door
1:21:36between these big military contractors
1:21:39and whatever and they go back and forth
1:21:41and they're making hand-over-fist money
1:21:43because there's no there's no limit to
1:21:45the military budget right now because
1:21:47people are scared so our Congress
1:21:49there's not even a debate when the when
1:21:51the when the trillions come up to have
1:21:54next an extra 100 billion even over what
1:21:57the Pentagon asked for and there's not
1:21:59even a debate about it hardly a
1:22:00bate there's like maybe a handful of
1:22:02senators and congressmen who even bring
1:22:04up the problem and the people are so
1:22:06scared that they think it's politically
1:22:08feasible and yes a lot of people are
1:22:10making money but by the way the Pope
1:22:13said that not me that was something the
1:22:15Pope said okay so I'll make it very
1:22:19quick thanks for this great introduction
1:22:21clean but needless to say because of
1:22:22time constraints you really started the
1:22:25story at 9/11 which is appropriate you
1:22:27know being 17 years ago and I was on
1:22:29active duty at the time so if I may add
1:22:31a little bit just from my own
1:22:33perspective as that a army officer and
1:22:35in Guantanamo defense attorney with 9/11
1:22:39immediately in a sultan and the
1:22:41Constitution began by the Bush
1:22:42administration Cheney in the implemented
1:22:44things as you mentioned martial law
1:22:46earlier they issued an order that the
1:22:48military now has jurisdiction in the
1:22:50United States which is in effect martial
1:22:52law itself but going back before and the
1:22:54FBI came out with the intercept pointing
1:22:57out that they now a you know have
1:23:00stopped hiding the fact that the
1:23:01motivation for terrorism is our own
1:23:04foreign policy so I'm going to ask a
1:23:06question here in a minute but just to
1:23:07point out a couple things Wesley Clark
1:23:09General Wesley Clark is on YouTube
1:23:11pointing out that we had a target list
1:23:12of seven nations that we were going to
1:23:14take down one after another and that was
1:23:16immediately brought out upon 9/11 it
1:23:18wasn't conceived upon 9/11 it was
1:23:20brought out it was it had been conceived
1:23:22long before by project for new American
1:23:24Century
1:23:25this neoconservative uppered but another
1:23:27point to be made and base a has
1:23:29made this is that the Cheney doctrine
1:23:31began in 1992 which held when Cheney was
1:23:34Secretary of State he and Paul Wolfowitz
1:23:36dreamed up the scheme that with the end
1:23:38of the Cold War that the United States
1:23:39now had huge M&E over the entire world
1:23:42and they issued a paper that was leaked
1:23:44and they had to withdraw it but as the
1:23:46co-writer of it acknowledged they didn't
1:23:49change the meaning and so as an Army
1:23:51officer I once had a paper cross my desk
1:23:53saying it's getting there getting there
1:23:56saying that our policy and this was
1:23:57probably in 2002 before the Iraq war our
1:24:00policy as a military was to not allow
1:24:02anyone else other nation to have even
1:24:06the ability to cause us to hesitate in
1:24:08our decision-making as a military that's
1:24:10how totalitarian it was so I guess my
1:24:13point and I'll bring
1:24:14to a quick close is perhaps you could
1:24:15comment on the fact that we are
1:24:17perpetual war was conceived of long
1:24:19before 9/11 by Cheney and these
1:24:22neoconservatives and now people you
1:24:25mentioned well we don't see the cost but
1:24:26we are now really singing now because we
1:24:29are cutting domestic spending to ship
1:24:30that over in the Department of Defense
1:24:33okay
1:24:34so comment please um why people might
1:24:37want to be considering more why these
1:24:39costs when we there there there are
1:24:44costs even though the costs have been
1:24:46made invisible to Americans there are
1:24:49costs and you know there's so many we I
1:24:52don't really have time to list them but
1:24:54even for instance the mass shootings to
1:24:56be honest this this militarism to get
1:25:00people to be recruited into the military
1:25:02and you know it's like three times more
1:25:05likely than a mass shooter is military
1:25:07even the guy that shot the kid that shot
1:25:10in Florida was in the the ROTC training
1:25:13he was the marksman he was a marksman in
1:25:15the ROTC training in high school so the
1:25:18military has long recognized that video
1:25:20these violent Call of Duty but how many
1:25:23people know what I'm talking about you
1:25:24have kids I caught my 11 year old son
1:25:27after getting his Christmas money and
1:25:29he's sit in front of the screen with
1:25:31blood
1:25:32it actually splatters blood looking
1:25:34things on the screen Call of Duty the
1:25:36Newtown shooter was a violent video game
1:25:39addict there's a whole lot of that and
1:25:41the military this is good for recruiting
1:25:44because getting people hooked on this
1:25:46and now you say well I'm a really good
1:25:48at shooting on the screen I might as
1:25:50well go into the military and it's been
1:25:52it's become more difficult as time has
1:25:54gone on they have to offer bonuses of
1:25:58for a drone pilot who enlists they have
1:26:01to enlist for ten years but they get an
1:26:03additional bonus on top of their regular
1:26:06really high salary of $400,000 because
1:26:11drone piloting even though it's
1:26:14cost-free very safe for the person just
1:26:16pressing the button it's debilitating we
1:26:20know some people who were drone in the
1:26:21drone the assassination program that
1:26:24there's movie about it actually and they
1:26:26become do Billy
1:26:27because what are they doing they're
1:26:29sitting there all day long looking
1:26:30through these things in and hitting
1:26:32people oh it's it's hard to keep them up
1:26:34the cost of PTSD the cost of just the
1:26:40war itself and now the the notion that
1:26:41we have to cut infrastructure you know
1:26:45social social programs and so even
1:26:49though it's 21 trillion what's been cut
1:26:52are the social programs what isn't being
1:26:54cut is the military and that continues
1:26:56to rise and so we are really running out
1:26:59of time which is too bad I know lots of
1:27:02people have questions still perhaps
1:27:04after we formally end the program at
1:27:062:30 if you want a linger and if Coleen
1:27:09Rowley is willing to take more questions
1:27:11ok this lady gets the honor of the last
1:27:14question you've presented us with lots
1:27:18of problems what is your solution it's
1:27:25it's a no-brainer
1:27:27and you you see all the presidents by
1:27:30the way this is such a no-brainer that
1:27:32the presidents after the Bush
1:27:34administration even the Bush
1:27:36administration - a little bit all
1:27:37promise when they're campaigning that
1:27:40they're going to reduce military
1:27:42spending and they're going to Obama
1:27:45promised to end the Iraq war he promised
1:27:47to close Guantanamo Trump promised that
1:27:50he would get a side of Syria
1:27:52so it's a no brainer this has to be
1:27:54reduced we're kind of doing this Empire
1:27:56thing which is exactly what the Soviet
1:27:58Union dead and and this is one of the
1:28:01reasons why in all empires all empires
1:28:03they first of all they when they get so
1:28:05overextended they rot from the inside
1:28:07that's some of the problem right now and
1:28:09they are they are caught up in this
1:28:13expensive effort to control too much
1:28:16territory and too much land so you
1:28:18should learn the lesson of history Reid
1:28:21Andrew bacevich it's not hard these are
1:28:23not hard solutions but you have for
1:28:25instance martial law this has to be
1:28:27rescinded somebody has to go back the
1:28:30only memo that I know that was rescinded
1:28:31was the final torture memo of John you
1:28:34all the other memos are horrible - but
1:28:37the ACLU ran out of energy and you know
1:28:40and so those
1:28:41all be looked at and most of them should
1:28:43be rescinded when they start saying the
1:28:45Constitution is now we're in war and the
1:28:48president has all power during a time of
1:28:50war etc all of those should be turned
1:28:54back in you can go right down the list
1:28:56with war powers and all the rest and you
1:28:59know maybe not overnight but little by
1:29:01little we could get back to normal if we
1:29:03did this we are not doomed to now going
1:29:06to a nuclear confrontation with Russia
1:29:08and China for heaven's sakes and that's
1:29:10what it's looking like thank you very
1:29:18much Coleen Rowley as I say if you do
1:29:22have additional questions and miss
1:29:24Rowley is able to stay please I'm sorry
1:29:27we didn't get to as many questions as
1:29:29I'd like to and come back next week for
1:29:32the Constitution as a historical
1:29:35document thank you
1:29:45you

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