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0:07I'm not I'm not trying to put words to
0:09your mouth and I'm not trying to u do
0:12word games.
0:13>> So, you got gas at Safeway in Woodland.
0:16Is that correct or not correct?
0:17>> Well, you just told me you just told me
0:19that I knew what I'm here for. I don't
0:20know what I'm here for.
0:21>> You told me that you knew you're here
0:22for a murder warrant.
0:23>> Well, that's what they told me. The
0:25cops,
0:25>> right? So, I'm not saying that you're
0:27admitting to that. I'm saying that
0:28that's you.
0:29>> Hell, I'm not going to admit to that.
0:31>> So, I didn't do it. I'm not. No.
0:34>> No. There's no possible way that I would
0:36kill somebody. Every every person on
0:38this earth deserves to live besides
0:39their enemies,
0:41but Oh, heck no.
0:46>> Alex, I I have a follow-up question. We
0:48talked about this a little bit earlier.
0:49>> Okay.
0:50>> Uh we were asking about your phone, and
0:52you said your phone's dead. What's that
0:54mean?
0:55>> Oh, the battery is dead. Oh,
0:57>> okay. Did you like charge it or what? Do
1:01you have the ability to charge it or
1:04>> Well, the Well, I have plenty of
1:07abilities to charge it. Okay. You know,
1:11that's a Well, if it's it doesn't need
1:14charged, you know, why charge it, you
1:16know? So,
1:19but uh yeah.
1:21>> Do you know where your phone's at right
1:22now?
1:26Probably not.
1:28How would you not know where your
1:29phone's at, man? [laughter] How do you
1:31not know? Like, that's one of those
1:33things that like we carry ours all the
1:35time. Like, I always know where it's at.
1:37I'm guessing you'd use your phone
1:39probably pretty frequently. What? Right.
1:43>> Actually, I probably don't know where my
1:44phone is.
1:47>> I'm not lying to you about that one. I
1:49mean, I don't like to lie.
1:50>> Where would it be?
1:52>> Huh?
1:52>> Where would it be? Where was the last
1:54place you had it?
1:56>> It was it was uh it was it was in
1:59College County. So,
2:03well,
2:05what I mean,
2:09>> you remember who you called last?
2:11Who I called last?
2:17I think it was Jean, that guy that I
2:21know.
2:22>> Remember what you talked about with
2:24Jean?
2:25>> No, he's just an old man that I know. He
2:30>> Jean, where do you know Jean from?
2:34>> I've known Jean for a long, long time.
2:36He knows a lot of people.
2:37>> I didn't ask how long. I said, "Where do
2:38you know him from?"
2:39>> Oh, K County.
2:41>> Call County from the Okay. Is there any
2:43more about how you and Jean came to know
2:46each other?
2:48>> Well, he likes fishing
2:50and I like fishing.
2:53You know, fish are fisher guys. They
2:55like to see they ask, "Have you caught
2:57anything lately?" Well, but uh no, he's
3:00he's a fisherman. He likes to fish.
3:04That's how I got to met him. You know,
3:06he's an older guy.
3:07>> You guys go fishing together?
3:10No, I went fishing one time and uh ever
3:12since then he told he told me where he
3:14likes to fish and I just go to where he
3:16likes to fish and talk to him every once
3:17in a while. But uh
3:21no, it's just
3:24I do many many things when I'm not doing
3:27things. It's just if I'm not working, I
3:29just go around
3:31and uh just just enjoy life. I'll walk
3:34around, stay busy, walk up and down the
3:36streets like Commerce Avenue, you know,
3:39check out the shops, check out the
3:40people, you know, just like walking
3:43right up and down the streets.
3:46This is what I did. Guess if it's too
3:48hard for me to find a job, you know,
3:49there's nothing to do when I'm not
3:51working. I might as well just make
3:54something up to for the time.
3:56>> Sure.
3:57>> What kind of What kind of people do you
3:59like to look at?
4:00>> What kind of people I like to look at? I
4:03I like to look at anybody. All people,
4:05you know, it doesn't matter who they
4:07are. Black, white, Asian, what have you.
4:09>> I'm not racist.
4:10>> No, I didn't say you were.
4:11>> Well, you ask me what type of people I
4:13like to look at.
4:14>> Sure. Like, you know, I mean, are you
4:16attracted to any certain type of person?
4:18>> No.
4:19>> Every everybody's got a taste, right?
4:22>> Apparently.
4:23>> Yeah. That's not I mean,
4:26>> no.
4:26>> Okay.
4:26>> I never never even thought about that.
4:28You're not attracted to
4:31any any type of person at all?
4:34>> No, not really. I've never taught myself
4:35to do that.
4:36>> Oh, okay.
4:38>> A person's just a person, you know. I
4:40talk to people. I be around people, you
4:42know, as just No.
4:46Okay. I'm not attracted to guys, you
4:47know. I'm not attracted to anybody. I'm
4:50just a straight type.
4:52>> So, women, right?
4:56>> What about What about them? You said
4:57you're a straight guy. So that would
5:00that would imply that you're attracted
5:01to women, right?
5:05>> Well, when my woman, you know, guys are
5:07attracted to women, but I never I don't
5:09really think of them. I got two too much
5:12other things to do with my head besides
5:13think about women. I have to survive.
5:16So, I'm a survival. Go get work. Go get
5:19money, you know, go find more work if
5:21you're not working. if I'm not working
5:23at a restaurant. Just my money is the
5:26big thing, you know. You got to survive
5:28with money. So money is just the thing
5:31that I look for to survive. You know,
5:34you got to live to survive. So I have to
5:36live, you know. It's just know women
5:39ain't on my mind. I just I can't afford
5:42them for one. You know,
5:45if you can't afford a female, why
5:47thinking about him or why go looking for
5:49him or why being with him if you can't
5:51afford him? I I can barely afford
5:53myself. So, I mean, I'm not sure if
5:56that's what you want.
5:57>> No, it's not. I'm not wanting anything
5:59in particular. I'm only seeking truth.
6:01That's all I'm here for. That's I never
6:04>> You just got an explanation in.
6:06>> What's that?
6:07>> Said you just got an explanation in. You
6:09know, I'm not really into women right
6:10now.
6:11>> I'm That's too It's too hard for me to
6:14survive out there.
6:14>> I get it. Was there a time you order? I
6:17know it's kind of a strange question,
6:18but it goes back into kind of getting to
6:20understand Alex. I was trying to get to
6:22know you.
6:23>> Not really. I I've never been after any
6:26type of woman
6:27>> sometime.
6:28>> I I since you know my dad's name. Yeah,
6:31>> of course. I even told my dad the same
6:33thing. It's like I'm like, "Dad, I'm I'm
6:36not I'm not going to make you a
6:37grandpa." Cuz he says, "What is that?"
6:41And uh I said, "Well, I'm really not
6:44into women right now." He just laughs.
6:47He's like,
6:49you know,
6:51he understands me, you know, and he I'm
6:55not sure. I know you guys don't know my
6:57dad really well at all. I don't even
6:59know his name.
7:01But anyway, uh my dad's always known me
7:05to not actually be with a woman or be
7:08interested in them or even go out on any
7:12date with a woman, anything like that,
7:14cuz I've just never been interested in
7:16them. Uh
7:19>> some guys are interested in older women,
7:21some are interested in younger women.
7:22Are you interested in younger or older?
7:24Like
7:25>> I'm really not interested in any female
7:27right now. I have never been interested
7:29in any female. I mean, I've might have
7:32been out
7:34uh on a date once a long long long ass
7:37time ago. Excuse my language. I know I'm
7:38being recorded before,
7:40>> but that's that's it. I mean, I Yeah,
7:45it's just, you know, just
7:48more be more dealing with the dudes. You
7:51know what I'm saying? Not my game. I'm
7:53not gay. That came along. Not my game.
7:55you know, but being around a lot of
7:57dudes, you know, um being I got a guy,
8:00how how do I say that?
8:02>> Being with dudes,
8:03>> friendships.
8:04>> Yeah.
8:04>> Yeah.
8:05>> Um but like at the end of the day, man,
8:07I can't be
8:10in in survival mode and needing to make
8:12money and to live and to survive. But at
8:14the end of the day, everybody has needs,
8:16right? And like so,
8:18>> uh Gibbs has got a taste in ladies. I
8:20got a taste in ladies or we we got work
8:22with people that have a variety of
8:24tastes, right? So it's not weird. I'm
8:26just asking like when you do are in that
8:28mode.
8:28>> Asian.
8:29>> Asian.
8:29>> Chinese.
8:30>> Okay. What age bracket? I'm No judgment.
8:35>> About 25 to 35. Yes.
8:38>> Okay.
8:39>> That that's that's that sounds like
8:41that's that seems like a good area for
8:43me. 25 to 35. You know, they're they're
8:46not too young and they're not old.
8:48>> What is it what is it that you find
8:50attractive about that age group?
8:52>> They're beautiful. I mean, all Chinese
8:54women are just just stunning.
8:57I mean, I've seen them on TV shows. Uh,
9:00and it's like, damn. And they're just
9:03really gorgeous women. The thing is, I
9:06never been with one.
9:09Can't afford them.
9:10>> Is there something that's specific
9:12though that like kind of brightens your
9:14eyes and and makes makes you feel like
9:16>> their eyes, their face, you know? Uh,
9:18they're they're slim, you know. I've
9:21seen them dance before. They know how to
9:23dance, you know. Uh I've seen them at
9:26the baseball stadiums, you know. Uh
9:29yeah, they're they're cheerleaders.
9:32They're uh professional dancers, you
9:35know.
9:37And uh yeah, they're just they're just
9:40beautiful. They're gorgeous.
9:42It's like you ask me, you know, what
9:43takes women, you know, Chinese women to
9:46me are just just gorgeous. I think
9:48they're the most gorgeous women on this
9:50planet. Yeah. You don't have to agree,
9:52but it's just me.
9:54>> Yeah. No, that's that's that makes
9:56perfect sense.
9:58>> Um,
10:01okay.
10:02>> Do you need a break?
10:03>> Huh?
10:04>> Do you need a break?
10:06>> Maybe a 7:00 drink.
10:07>> Yeah.
10:10>> Alex, I need a break real quick. So, I'm
10:11going to step out. I'll be right back.
10:13If you need a drink anytime, man. Just
10:14say, "Hey, give me something drink." And
10:16I'll be more than happy to help you out.
10:18I give you enough here.
10:24Good. Good.
10:25>> Hey, you're reading my friends.
10:28>> Trying to figure it out. You know,
10:30sometimes almost I'm not a backer.
10:33>> No, I think I think we're all we're all
10:36good guys, right? That's all we're just
10:38trying.
10:38>> Well, I No, you and me oneon-one, dude.
10:41I mean, two of you hitting me at the
10:43same time is hard for me. I might as
10:46well give you one. But [clears throat]
10:49I am not no bad guy. Okay.
10:51>> I don't think anybody's saying you're a
10:52bad guy, Alex.
10:53>> No, I'm being I'm in I'm in here for a
10:57murder. Okay. I will never ever kill
10:59anybody. Everybody has to has to live.
11:02Okay. And that's when the officer told
11:04me, "Oh yeah, for for a murder arrest."
11:07Uh-huh. Say, "What? What?" I kind of got
11:11real excited in the wrong way. It's
11:12like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
11:14Not not this guy, not me. You you since
11:17you guys already probably know people
11:19and my family or friends will have you.
11:21They will all tell you that I'm not that
11:24guy. I don't just don't I I don't go
11:26around doing that. That's just not me. I
11:28got too big a heart for that. I love
11:30people. If I don't know them to come say
11:33hi to me, I love them. You know, even
11:35this person, whatever. I love them. And
11:37I'm a Christian.
11:40>> I'm a Christian.
11:42>> I'm a out and check out my partner real
11:45fast and um maybe we'll get you some
11:47more drinks or whatever you need and
11:50>> Okay. Cuz I'm really really really badly
11:52confused right now about what the hell's
11:54going on. I shouldn't even be here. Give
11:57us one second. Okay. Okay. Okay.
12:40Excuse [clears throat]
12:42me.
12:44J
13:18That's probably
13:30[clears throat]
13:45All right. Thank you.
13:47Good to go.
13:48>> Hello.
13:51>> Doing okay still?
13:52>> Oh, I'm fine. I just got another drink
13:53pop.
13:54>> Okay,
13:55I burped in front of that guy. Nice
13:57drink.
14:00>> Um
14:01>> Huh.
14:02>> So, where were we at? What were we
14:03talking about? Oh,
14:04>> they go.
14:04>> Uh, we were talking about you asked me
14:08what type of women I like. I said I like
14:09Chinese women.
14:10>> Okay.
14:10>> Yeah, they're gorgeous.
14:14>> If I could afford one, I I would I would
14:16actually have a Chinese woman. Okay. If
14:18I can afford one.
14:19>> Yeah.
14:21[clears throat]
14:22>> So, Alex, um, like I said, we we we came
14:26a long way to come here to talk to you.
14:28>> Of course. I travel the same way. How
14:30about, too?
14:30>> Yeah.
14:32And so kind of where I'm at is is the
14:34facts of this case indicate you're not
14:36being 100% honest with me. And I don't I
14:39want to give you that opportunity to be
14:41honest with me.
14:42>> One thing that I I I picked up on you
14:45just talking about your work ethic.
14:47Okay.
14:47>> You're a go-getter and that you like to
14:50work hard and get a task done.
14:52>> Guys like that typically want to be
14:54thorough, right? Would you disagree with
14:56that?
14:56>> Thorough.
14:57>> Thorough.
14:58>> Okay.
14:59>> Detail oriented. like you're washing a
15:01bunch of dishes, you're going to get the
15:02job done perfectly, right? You're going
15:04to disclose
15:05>> all of your effort. You're going to put
15:06all your effort into a job
15:08>> because that's what honest people do,
15:10right? Okay.
15:10>> So, [clears throat]
15:14here's here's where I'm a little bit
15:17confused about your responses is you're
15:19telling me that you took a bus down here
15:21when I know you didn't take a bus.
15:22>> We did a ton of homework, Alex, before
15:25we ever got here.
15:26>> We know you drove that BMW car down
15:28here. Okay. Um,
15:31>> well, you're fishing and I'm fishing.
15:33>> I'm not fishing at all.
15:34>> Okay.
15:36>> I'm Listen, man. I'm I'm an honest guy
15:37and I just say it straight every time.
15:40>> Okay.
15:40>> And I'm just seeking truth. I'm not
15:42There's no agenda um
15:45>> there just isn't I think the truth
15:47matters. I think lots of people uh
15:51>> including me, everybody does
15:53>> does stuff that they uh they regret. And
15:56so I'm trying to talk to you and give
15:58you that chance to talk to me.
15:59>> Okay.
16:00>> And u you know I we'll go to the next
16:04one.
16:05>> Okay. Okay.
16:06>> Um I [clears throat] know that uh you
16:09don't not know where your phone's at.
16:11You know what you did with your phone
16:12and I know what you did with your phone.
16:14>> Okay. Well, what did I do with it?
16:16>> You put it in a garbage can in front of
16:18the McDonald's at Woodland.
16:21>> Why did you do that?
16:23Well, so I usually don't Yes, I did do
16:26that.
16:27>> Okay, that's I appreciate you being
16:29straight with me on that.
16:31>> Uh, well, I really don't normally use it
16:33and the battery was going down and I
16:36usually cuz the battery when the battery
16:38goes down, I listen to uh the music that
16:41is on the phone itself cuz I go to
16:44YouTube music.
16:45>> Mhm. So, uh, the battery was going down
16:49so much. And once the battery goes down,
16:52well, in the car, the the lighter didn't
16:56work, uh, to charge up my phone or for
16:59me to keep on listening to the phone on
17:02the speakers. So, there's no way to
17:04charge the phone. Yeah. Well, since you
17:08know, Yeah. And I got rid of it. Yeah.
17:12>> [clears throat]
17:13>> So, another thing, Alex, we've we've
17:15talked to a lot of people already. Um,
17:19talk to some people that you do
17:20associate with and they say that you're
17:21on that phone quite a bit. So, to me, I
17:25find it hard to believe you'd throw that
17:27phone away, which you're on quite often
17:28according to the people that you
17:30associate with because of the the
17:32battery's dying too fast. Um,
17:34>> who do I associate with? Well,
17:38Kenny, Kathy, Ian,
17:40>> Kenny,
17:41>> Matt,
17:41>> Kenny, Kenny.
17:44>> Okay. The the guy I got the the card
17:46from.
17:47>> Okay. And who' you say?
17:50>> So, Matt.
17:52>> Yeah. Just keep
17:54And again, Alex, I'm not trying to play
17:56any tricks on you.
17:56>> No, but Matt. Matt. Yeah.
18:00>> Matt. Matt.
18:03Matt from the store.
18:07Oh, that guy. Okay. Yeah.
18:10>> So, Alex, [clears throat] I don't buy
18:12that you just tossed it because the the
18:14battery is going dead. Um,
18:17why might you have thrown that phone
18:19away? You're a smart guy.
18:24Well, to throw them.
18:28Well,
18:31I don't like phone calls. I don't
18:33either.
18:35That's a
18:37well the fun was old anyways. So I mean
18:42you just it I just you know
18:47thought I' it was just it was just a
18:49thought just to put in a garbage can.
18:54I don't like calling people for one.
18:58I mean
19:01it was just a thought of doing it. So,
19:02you know, sometimes when people have
19:04thoughts of doing something, sometimes I
19:06do it, sometimes I don't. And they
19:08bypass the thought.
19:11It was a thought I did. So, I I just
19:13passed it.
19:16There's nothing wrong with throwing the
19:17phone away.
19:19>> Ain't anybody can throw anything away.
19:21>> Sure.
19:22>> So, this [clears throat]
19:24Let's talk more about the the odd job,
19:26the roofing job you did.
19:28>> Odd jobs. Okay.
19:29>> Yeah. the the specific odd job
19:33where my partner was talking about the
19:35roofing job that you did for these
19:36people on touring.
19:39>> Oh, putting tiles on the porch.
19:42>> Yeah. What other What other sort of work
19:44did you do for those folks?
19:48>> I uh uh I scraped grass off the park the
19:53the whatever it's called, the garage
19:55parking lot there, the the driveway.
19:58>> Mhm. Can you describe that house to me?
20:01Like what it looks like on the outside?
20:05Has nice grass.
20:09Has a place where you go on the side. A
20:12white garage door.
20:18It has a
20:21Volk uh not running. Oh, might be
20:23running a Volkswagen Beetle in the in
20:26the driveway. What color is that house?
20:28>> Oh crap.
20:31I can't remember that.
20:33>> Is it a twotory or a one-story house?
20:36>> I was talking about the cart.
20:39>> Yeah, the house I'm talking about.
20:41>> The house is a one story. Uh I think all
20:44the houses are one stories on that
20:46block. I'm not sure. I've seen some two
20:48stories
20:50uh in Long View in Kell, but uh but that
20:54houses the one story. What about the
20:56people that live there that you did the
20:57job for?
20:59>> Again, I thought people Yeah. Tell me
21:02about them.
21:04>> I don't know them very well.
21:05>> I didn't I'm not saying you know him
21:07well, but you know him?
21:09>> Hardly.
21:10>> Okay. What do you What do you know about
21:11him?
21:15Well, I knew
21:18hardly anything about him, like I just
21:20said like three times, but uh I uh
21:29let's see [clears throat] here.
21:32My uh somebody that I know knows of
21:34them. Mhm.
21:36>> You agreeing with me?
21:37>> Yes, I am.
21:38>> Okay.
21:40Who's that? Who who who knows him that I
21:42know?
21:44Well, you said that, you know, you know.
21:46So, I mean,
21:47>> yeah, I do.
21:49>> Who is it?
21:49>> Your dad.
21:50>> Oh.
21:51>> Oh, not the way he talks.
21:54>> Well, I'm asking you like
21:56what do you know? Can you tell me what
21:58you know of them?
21:59>> I don't actually.
22:00>> I'm not asking you if you know their
22:01favorite.
22:02>> No, I don't know music. I'm
22:04>> You ask me a question. I don't know
22:06hardly anything about them cuz I really
22:08don't know them.
22:09>> Okay. Can you describe what what types
22:11of people live there?
22:13>> Well, they're older. I would assume
22:16they're older older than me.
22:17>> So, example would be Alex, you're a
22:19white male in your 50s, right? So, that
22:21would be me describing a person. Could
22:23you describe the people that live in the
22:24house?
22:26>> Yeah, they're older than me.
22:27>> How many?
22:29>> How many?
22:30>> Yeah. How many? Oh,
22:31>> I don't know about that.
22:35I don't even know how many rooms are in
22:36the house.
22:42I know that they're they're nice people.
22:44I mean, they let me they let me do work
22:47for them, you know. I mean,
22:50but uh I didn't get to know them.
22:55But, uh
22:58my dad pretty much
23:02uh told me that they knew of me when I
23:05was younger. I was like, "Okay, I don't
23:06know them. Sure. How does that
23:10You never met my dad, have you?
23:12>> Yes, I have.
23:13>> What does he look like?
23:16>> White guy. Tall.
23:17>> No, he's not. Okay. Not tall.
23:20>> Oh, a short guy. He's tall.
23:23>> You haven't seen my dad.
23:25>> So, yeah. First thing that came out of
23:27your mouth that he's tall. He is not
23:29tall.
23:30>> Okay.
23:30>> Not one bit tall.
23:31>> You're pretty tall. So,
23:32>> that doesn't mean he's tall.
23:34>> No.
23:34>> He never met my dad then.
23:35>> Okay. talked to your dad multiple times.
23:38[clears throat]
23:39>> Okay. Well,
23:41>> I'm just questioning you because you
23:42question I'm not trying to be a bad guy.
23:44>> No, I don't think you're being a bad guy
23:46at all. I think you're not you're not
23:48being straight with me. And um I
23:50understand why you wouldn't be, but
23:52there like I said, Alex, there's value
23:54in just telling the truth.
23:55>> Yeah.
23:56>> And being straight about it.
23:58>> You know what I mean? Um you I think
24:00that you are that kind of guy that wants
24:02to tell the truth. If you tell me where
24:04my dad lives, I will believe you. Where
24:06does my dad live?
24:09>> My dad My dad's like a quiet guy.
24:12>> Sure.
24:12>> Your dad lives in Kel.
24:14>> Where?
24:16>> You know where your dad lives?
24:18>> Oh, I do. I'm asking you.
24:19>> I'm I came here to talk to you about
24:22what we're here to talk about. You know
24:23what I mean? So,
24:26>> I'm here and I want to talk to you. I
24:28want to get your side of the story.
24:29>> Okay. All right. Yes. Yes.
24:31>> Yes.
24:32What were you doing at the house on
24:34Timmyi Lane on the 5th, the day that you
24:37left? August 5th, the day that you left
24:40and you hit the road to come here.
24:49>> I visited them.
24:50>> Okay.
24:51>> Because check for a job.
24:53>> A fraud job.
24:54>> Odd job. Work. Yes.
24:57>> Okay.
24:58Uh I I went I went there and uh knocked
25:04on the door
25:05since uh she's seen me a couple times.
25:08She knows me regardless because uh my
25:10dad she knows she knows my dad and went
25:14there to ask for odd job
25:17and just uh went there asked for a job
25:20for for a little bit.
25:23talked about Trump
25:26and then uh
25:30watched a little bit of TV. I was just
25:32standing there. But uh after a bit uh
25:37Don said that she didn't have no job for
25:40me, you know. So I said, "Okay, I'll
25:43I'll come back later." And uh I went to
25:46my car. Well, not my car, but that black
25:49car and left.
25:52That's a if I can't handle out a job,
25:54I'm just going to go somewhere else. And
25:57there's places
25:59in town to look for a job. I just got
26:03sometimes nowhere. But
26:07I mean, that's that's all. I stayed
26:09there for a little bit and not less.
26:13Okay. Yeah.
26:19>> [clears throat]
26:29>> Alex, you know that there's we're living
26:31in 2025 and there is there is cameras
26:33everywhere.
26:34>> Okay.
26:34>> What?
26:35>> You're aware of that? Yes.
26:37>> Okay.
26:40You have you ever heard of DNA?
26:43>> DNA.
26:44>> DNA.
26:45>> Oh, DNA.
26:46>> DNA.
26:46>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you understand
26:48that when people go somewhere and they
26:50do something or they let's just say for
26:53example you're sitting in that chair
26:54your DNA is going to be on that chair.
26:55My DNA is on this chair.
26:58>> Okay.
27:02Is there any reason
27:04that
27:06people would have told us that that's
27:08not all that happened when you went
27:10there that day?
27:12>> Oh, it's in the restroom.
27:13>> Okay.
27:14>> I peed. I lost my hand. Was there a
27:16confrontation?
27:18>> A confrontation?
27:19>> Yes.
27:19>> No. I haven't had a confrontation no
27:22with nobody a long time.
27:24>> Okay.
27:27>> Confrontation? Yeah.
27:34>> Alex, I want you to be straight with me,
27:36man. And you're not. I'm asking you to
27:38be straight with me. And you know,
27:40you're not telling me everything that
27:41happened there.
27:43There's more to the story.
27:46I'm asking you to tell me that
27:49>> a story. What? What story? I mean,
27:51>> there's no story. That's probably a bad
27:53way to put it. You're not being straight
27:55with me about what happened that day you
27:57went there on August 5th before you came
28:00to California.
28:02>> I went there to go check for an odd job.
28:03>> I believe you about that. But you got to
28:05tell me everything that happened after
28:07that.
28:08>> I said goodbyes
28:11and I went to the car and started the
28:13car and left.
28:19I mean, I really don't know what else
28:21you want to say. I There was a old
28:25old man there. I called him grandpa. I
28:27mean, he's not my grandpa, but
28:34Well, you were talking about DNA.
28:38Yeah, I was there. My DNA probably would
28:40have been there. Yeah, cuz I was walking
28:41around in there. I use the restroom. I
28:43use a toilet. My DNA was there. Of
28:46course.
28:47>> Okay.
28:47>> Anytime you touch something or do
28:50something or whatever, you leave
28:52something.
28:52>> Mhm.
28:53>> Okay.
28:54>> That's true.
28:56>> So, I'll I'll tell you, and I don't
28:58normally do this, but
29:00we know where you went after you left
29:02that day.
29:04And when you told me you don't have an
29:06email, that's also not true.
29:08>> An email?
29:09>> You do?
29:10>> You said a Facebook. I do have an email.
29:12>> Okay. What's your email?
29:22Actually, somebody actually gave me
29:23somebody somebody actually gave me that
29:25email cuz I didn't know what email how
29:27how to do the email. So, somebody
29:30actually helped me with that email and
29:31put it in the phone. So, that was that
29:34was my email for a long period of time
29:36and I got used to it. When somebody
29:38asked me my email, I'd actually write it
29:39down by heart. Okay. So, you you
29:41remember that that email quite well.
29:44>> Of course.
29:46Everybody Everybody has to have an an
29:49email,
29:51don't they? As long as they have to have
29:53have a phone.
29:55>> No.
29:55>> No.
29:56>> I mean, I I I guess these days most of
29:58the time people would have it. Um,
30:03>> so often times in our unit what we do is
30:05we write warrants. We write a lot of
30:07warrants.
30:08>> Okay.
30:08>> You're aware of what warrants are.
30:10Sometimes those warrants are into cell
30:12phones. Sometimes they're into Gmail
30:14accounts or email accounts.
30:17Um,
30:19and when we get into that information,
30:20often times we find evidence of crimes.
30:23Okay.
30:25So, I'll tell you what I do know. I know
30:27you were at Terumi Lane on August 5th.
30:30Okay. I know you left that house in your
30:32black BMW car 1155.
30:35>> This is not my car.
30:36>> The car you're driving.
30:37>> Okay. I know you went to Woodland,
30:39Washington. Right after that, you got
30:41gas. Then I know you went to McDonald's.
30:43You walked to the front of the store and
30:45you took your phone out. You put it in
30:46the garbage can. Well, I went back and I
30:48got your phone and I have it.
30:50>> Okay.
30:51>> Okay. It's a Vortex VG65 Pro through
30:54T-Mobile.
30:56>> From T-Mobile. Yeah. Yeah. Correct.
30:57T-Mobile. Yeah.
30:58>> Okay. And I know you went to Richfield
31:007-Eleven after that.
31:01>> I know you spent roughly $20 at the
31:037-Eleven. You bought some sandwiches and
31:05several drinks.
31:06>> Yeah. Yeah, we have to. You know, you're
31:08hungry. I have food stamps. Of course,
31:10>> Alex. And then I know you came here and
31:12I know that you didn't leave your phone
31:14in the garbage can cuz you're tired of
31:15the battery and you're tired of phone
31:16calls. I'm asking you to be straight
31:18with me.
31:19>> Okay.
31:20>> Yeah. Well, you no idea that now. Yeah,
31:22>> I do know. Um, and we know a lot more,
31:24too.
31:25>> And this is why I'm trying to talk to
31:26you, man, and get your side of the
31:27story. I'm trying to understand why you
31:30did what you did that day.
31:32>> What did I do?
31:33>> Okay. Why are you here? You know what
31:35you were told by LAPD, right? I was I
31:38have a warrant for murder. Yes, that's
31:40what they told me.
31:41>> So, there should be no confusion.
31:43>> Yes, there is.
31:45>> Okay. What are you confused about?
31:48>> Me having a warrant for my murder for a
31:49murder.
31:50>> Okay. Well, that house had several
31:54people that were hurt. Okay. And there
31:56are witnesses to what happened there.
31:59Okay. And you came up in that.
32:01>> What?
32:03>> There were people hurt.
32:04>> Okay. There's one dead. Your name came
32:08up in this investigation.
32:10There are witnesses to this. There is a
32:14camera across the the uh directly across
32:16that house. Okay. And a 911 call that
32:19oddly comes out right as you're leaving.
32:25Why would we find bloody clothes in your
32:27car?
32:28>> Bloody clothes in my car.
32:30>> Correct.
32:33One thing well is the car I was driving
32:36for one. But it's not my car. It's not
32:38my car.
32:38>> I'm not asking about the car. I'm asking
32:40you find blood on clothes in your car
32:42and the whole picture of this
32:44investigation and you being named as the
32:46suspect.
32:48>> I know. That's that's what I've been
32:50told.
32:50>> Okay. I'm asking you what you know,
32:53Alex.
32:56I'm asking just for the truth, man.
32:57That's it. I'm asking for the truth.
32:59Then once we get past that, we can talk
33:00about why it happened. But I don't think
33:03you're a bad guy. I think you you're a
33:05hard worker. You're honest. I think
33:07you're in a a tough spot right now and
33:09you don't want to be in it. But you're
33:11not telling me the truth. And there is
33:14plenty of evidence.
33:18Well, people do keep clothing in their
33:22cars and sometimes, you know, they work
33:25at spots, you know, that they get cut or
33:27anything like that. But, uh, I'm just I
33:31know you're getting up tight right now
33:32cuz I can see how you're sitting.
33:33>> I'm I'm fine. You don't need to worry
33:34about me. I'm asking you to tell to tell
33:37me the full picture, man, because I
33:39really do think that you're not a bad
33:40guy. I think this this whole thing has a
33:44backstory
33:46and I want to hear it.
33:47>> Okay. Okay. Let me let me say this then.
33:49I've been waiting for this.
33:50>> Okay.
33:52>> Okay. Somebody is
33:58Okay. Uh I have a warrant for my arrest
34:01for murder. You do?
34:02>> Okay. Okay. Yes. Okay. And now he stated
34:07that there's cameras places and
34:11there's a you said that there's a camera
34:13or something uh semi pull all over the
34:16driveway and
34:17>> I'm just asking you to to tell me why.
34:19>> Okay. Now now why what
34:21>> why did it happen?
34:23>> Why what happened? I didn't Let me
34:25finish please.
34:26>> You're you're going to repeat back to me
34:28what I've told you and I already know
34:29what I told you. I'm asking you why.
34:31>> Okay. For another reason for for
34:33something else. Okay.
34:34>> Where is the murder weapon? And what was
34:36it?
34:36>> Does it need to be a murder weapon?
34:38>> Yes, it does. In order for you to kill
34:40somebody, there has to be a murder
34:42weapon.
34:42>> Okay.
34:44>> Exactly. I've already been told this. My
34:46dad's been a cop, an investigator for a
34:48long period of time. I know my dad
34:50studied. I know other people
34:52>> dad. That's your dad.
34:53>> And I listen to my dad.
34:55>> Okay.
34:55>> There has to be a murder weapon
34:58in order for someone to be blamed for a
35:01murder.
35:03And I don't have any of that. So, I
35:07mean, that's what I'm trying to get at.
35:10Where is the murder weapon?
35:11>> I didn't ask.
35:12>> What is the murder weapon?
35:13>> Alex, I didn't ask you for the murder
35:15weapon. I asked you to tell me why you
35:17did that.
35:18>> Why did it? I did not do anything.
35:21Where is the murder weapon? Where is it?
35:25What is the murder weapon? Where is it?
35:27If you can't tell me that, I'm done.
35:29Okay,
35:31>> you know what it is.
35:34You don't apparently because I don't
35:35know what it is. I didn't do anything.
35:40>> Alex,
35:40>> you don't know what the murder weapon is
35:42or anything. There has to be a murder
35:44weapon in order for be somebody to be
35:46charged. Period.
35:48>> No.
35:48>> Yes.
35:50>> No.
35:51>> There has to be a murder weapon.
35:52>> No, that's not.
35:53>> If there's not no murder weapon, you
35:55can't charge nobody cuz a murder weapon
35:57has somebody's DNA on it, which we
35:59talked about, or fingerprints.
36:02Okay. Or even blood on it in order to
36:04match it the DNA on it to something
36:07else.
36:08>> And why don't you just talk to me
36:09straight?
36:10>> I am. You don't have no murder weapon or
36:12anything like that cuz I didn't do
36:14anything.
36:17If you don't have no murder weapon,
36:18>> there's a knife in your car.
36:19>> If you don't have no murder knife in
36:21your car, I don't know if that's
36:23>> Yeah,
36:24that's a fishing knife.
36:25>> That's fine.
36:28>> That that that came out as fishing box.
36:30Go ahead and check that. Please check
36:32that knife. Please check that knife.
36:35Hear me out. Please. No. No. No. No.
36:37Please check that knife for any DNA that
36:40belongs to any suspect that was or
36:42suspect whatever person that was in my
36:45house. Please check it. Please check
36:47that knife. I will be there when you
36:48check that knife.
36:49>> Okay.
36:50>> Do it.
36:51>> No. No. No. Please check that knife. I
36:53know what that knife looks like. It's in
36:54a black sheath. It's a fishing knife to
36:56cut fish.
36:59Yes.
37:00Please check it.
37:02>> Fine. Can you explain the rest of it
37:04then?
37:05>> Explain the rest of what?
37:08>> You're there that day. You're there at
37:10that time. A call comes out.
37:12>> You ain't got no murder weapon, guy.
37:14>> Okay.
37:15>> You ain't know what it is.
37:16>> Okay.
37:17>> You found a knife in that car. Fine.
37:20Yes.
37:22>> Let me ask you this. What if the blood
37:24on the clothes and the items in your car
37:28is Dawn's blood
37:31there? There there ain't no blood on any
37:34clothes in the car.
37:35>> Okay. Well, we have forensic scientists
37:36looking at that.
37:37>> Okay, fine.
37:39This is what I'm trying to talk to you
37:41about, Alex. I'm trying to get
37:44the full picture here and get your side
37:46and your take and the backstory about
37:49what led up to this. And it's got
37:52nothing. I never asked you about any
37:53weapon. There has to be a weapon to do
37:55murder. It could be a bat. It could be a
37:59knife. It could be anything that could
38:01endanger or kill somebody.
38:04>> Yeah.
38:04>> It could be ice.
38:08>> A lot of murders happen by hand.
38:10>> Of course,
38:12>> but that's not the case that we're
38:13talking about here.
38:16>> You ain't got no murder weapon cuz I
38:17don't know what the hell you're talking
38:18about. Alex, you don't know what it Just
38:20hear me out,
38:21>> please.
38:22>> Yeah, hear me out.
38:23>> Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
38:26>> Take take a breath, man. I get your
38:27amped up.
38:31>> You don't need a murder weapon for a
38:33murder to happen.
38:35Let me rephrase that. This is a pen.
38:38Okay? If I hear me out, if I took this
38:40pen and I threw it down the hall, it
38:43doesn't mean I didn't write notes with
38:45that same pen. Those words still went to
38:48paper. Okay. It doesn't matter if my
38:49pen's with me anymore. Does that make
38:51sense? So, I'm not I'm not being mean to
38:52jerk. I'm trying to make deliver what
38:55I'm trying to say in a way that makes
38:56sense.
38:57>> You can still take someone with that pen
38:58and kill him.
38:59>> You can, but I'm not talking about a pen
39:01being used as a weapon. I'm talking
39:02about a pen being used.
39:04>> Mhm.
39:05>> To write something
39:06>> and that pen going somewhere else.
39:08>> I'm being described,
39:09>> right? And it doesn't make it doesn't
39:12mean the words that were written on the
39:13paper were never written. Right. So, a
39:16murder can happen.
39:17>> Mhm. The weapon that was used can be
39:19discarded, thrown away on the side of a
39:21freeway, in a lake, in a garbage can at
39:23a a random establishment.
39:26>> Doesn't mean the murder didn't happen.
39:27Doesn't mean that murder can't be
39:29proven.
39:31>> The thing is is there's evidence these
39:32days
39:34[clears throat]
39:35that's just as valuable.
39:37>> Okay?
39:38>> You see what I'm saying, man? Like,
39:40>> okay. Uhhuh.
39:44And and in the two hours I've been
39:46talking to you, I don't my perception of
39:48you is you're not that guy that's going
39:50to not own up to something. We talked
39:54about how you were raised. We talked
39:55about being brought up in the church,
39:57but listening to your dad, following
39:59your dad, right?
40:00>> Yeah. He was a police officer.
40:01>> Yeah, I know.
40:02>> He was also investigated.
40:04>> Yeah.
40:05I I grew in his police car when I was
40:08younger. Yeah.
40:09>> Or whatever it was.
40:15Okay. Well, let off good, man. That's
40:16all.
40:17>> Well, that's what
40:19>> you doing what you did that day.
40:20>> I didn't do anything.
40:27>> What? I mean, show me. Okay.
40:31>> Show me something.
40:33Show me something.
40:36But I want to see me there and me doing
40:40something that you guys are claiming me
40:41the idea. I want to see something like
40:43that.
40:44>> What do you mean by that?
40:45>> You say there's always cameras. There's
40:47always somebody watching. Uh this is
40:50that. Well, I want to see something that
40:53show that shows me doing what you guys
40:56are blaming me for doing.
40:59>> You mean like a camera on the outside of
41:01the house? What are you talking
41:02specific? I want to see something that
41:04shows me doing something. That's what I
41:07want to see.
41:09>> You got to understand um
41:11>> You can't do it.
41:12>> What?
41:13>> Show me something about me doing
41:16something that you guys are blaming me
41:17for doing.
41:19>> Alex, I I I literally just told you many
41:22many things
41:24that indicate strongly that you did do
41:26this. You indicated
41:29me leaving the house in my car. That's
41:33what you told me that a camera scene.
41:36>> You also talked to witnesses. You also
41:38left that house as the call was being
41:40made. And then officers showed up at
41:42that house and found a a woman dead and
41:44a man severely injured.
41:47We have witnesses that that are saying
41:49that you're involved in this, that you
41:51did this. We have camera footage of you
41:53leaving at the same time the call came
41:55out.
41:56You ironically ditch your phone and then
41:59you head to California.
42:01Alex, I don't think you're confused
42:03about this. I think you just don't want
42:05to talk about it. And I can't force you
42:07to talk about it.
42:10That's your decision to make.
42:14I think you want to cuz I think you're a
42:16good guy deep down. And I think you want
42:17to just get this off your chest and move
42:18on.
42:19>> I'm a hell of a good dude. Yes,
42:20>> I believe you.
42:22>> But I don't go around hurting people or
42:24killing people. I don't do that.
42:26>> I don't think you go around all the time
42:27hurting and killing people.
42:28>> All the time I No, I don't do it at all.
42:30>> Well, I don't believe you on this one,
42:33partner. It's there's just too much that
42:35says that you're there and this
42:36happened. And um we came we came here to
42:41talk to you, not to push something on
42:43you, but to get truth. Seek truth.
42:46That's what we're here. Truth.
42:48>> I hear this.
42:49>> But what you got to understand, you're a
42:50smart guy.
42:51>> You are. You've held jobs before. You've
42:53held jobs before.
42:55>> I know that you can wrench on cars and
42:57fix problems. Okay. You're articulate.
43:00You're educated.
43:04>> You You got to know
43:06that
43:08it just is what it is. And
43:10>> no, it's not. I didn't do anything.
43:12>> Okay.
43:15>> I just don't do that. I have a bigger
43:18heart than that. What I'm blamed for, I
43:20have a hell of a lot bigger heart than
43:22that.
43:23sense. Okay. You talked to somebody I'm
43:26really close to where I live. Who did
43:30you talk to?
43:31>> What's it then?
43:32>> I'm not sure who you talking to.
43:34>> Okay. Then you didn't talk to nobody
43:35then. You told me earlier that you did
43:36talk to somebody. Then right just right
43:39there just now. He told me that you
43:41didn't talk to nobody. You just lied to
43:42me.
43:43>> No, I didn't lie to you. You said that I
43:44talked to somebody close to you.
43:46>> Mhm. Who was it?
43:46>> And I said, "Who are you referring to?"
43:48I said four to five different names that
43:50I talked to. Which one are you referring
43:51So any of those names and I'm not
43:53referring to who I'm talking about.
43:58>> I'm trying to understand what you're
43:59saying. So if you're asking me who I
44:01talk to, that's important to you.
44:03>> Are there any other people that you talk
44:05to besides those people that you named
44:06me?
44:07>> I said I talked to your dad.
44:08>> Mhm.
44:10>> Yes. Matt.
44:11>> Okay.
44:12>> Ian.
44:13>> Oh. Oh, you talked to him.
44:16>> I was supposed to talk to him. He know
44:19he knows me. He knows me. Father drink
44:22soda.
44:22>> Yeah, Ian's a nice guy. I like him a
44:25lot.
44:26>> I got to take a leap real quick.
44:28[clears throat]
44:35>> So, man, [clears throat]
44:40>> I need to get the bubbles up.
44:43I need to get the bubbles up.
44:45>> Yeah. Yeah, you got a
44:46>> boy. I tell you what,
44:50that was a topic.
44:51>> Yeah.
44:52>> Well, you guys do that anyways. That's
44:54your job.
44:55>> Sure.
44:55>> Damn.
44:57>> There was some things I caught him on,
44:59>> right?
45:00>> Yes.
45:01>> I'm going to go over it again.
45:03>> But I mean, I like you both. Okay, you
45:04guys are doing your job. But there were
45:06some things I caught him on that when I
45:09went back to it and got him like, "Oh,
45:13like when you catch somebody as guilty
45:15and they plead not guilty like too."
45:19>> So I this can go both ways.
45:21>> Sure. Sure.
45:22>> What What were some of the things you
45:23>> I was I was actually wanting him to find
45:26me. Okay.
45:28a video or something that shows me that
45:32I did something what I'm being blamed
45:34for.
45:35>> You kind of skipped out on that hole.
45:38>> I was like, "Show me something about me
45:41doing what I did." Well, you guys are
45:43claiming me doing
45:44>> Sure.
45:44>> And I didn't do nothing.
45:46>> He he kind of climbed up.
45:47>> Let's Let's back up maybe just a little
45:49bit. Maybe you help me out.
45:50>> Okay.
45:50>> Um you guys were talking about the house
45:53you were at, right?
45:54>> Yeah.
45:55>> What What do you remember about that
45:56house again?
45:59So there were listening devices in here
46:00too.
46:03>> Oh, we already told everything's audio
46:04video recorded here. We told you not to
46:05get at the beginning.
46:06>> Yeah, I know.
46:07>> But they're learning listening devices
46:08in the room.
46:09>> Nowhere everywhere in the full jail.
46:11Everything is
46:12>> the reason I said that cuz you said just
46:14said that. Well, I told him he asked me
46:16about the house. Says it has a white
46:18garage door. Has a VW bug has broken
46:22down uh in in [clears throat] the
46:25driveway.
46:27There's a washing machine out there.
46:30Nice a nice yard, you know, cuz they
46:34have somebody they told me that comes
46:36and manicures it, you know. They say
46:38they're paying too much for it,
46:39>> right?
46:40>> Well, that's just the way it goes in
46:42landscaping.
46:43But yeah, um
46:44>> and then you knocked on the door,
46:47but that morning you knocked on the
46:48door.
46:49>> Well, you got you got to knock on the
46:51door instead of just walking in, you
46:53know? I mean,
46:56>> yeah. I mean, I knocked on the door.
46:58>> And when you walk in, who who you
47:00talking to?
47:01>> Uh the the lady, uh her her name is Don.
47:05>> Okay.
47:05>> Yeah. But uh yeah,
47:08>> hi. She is she recognized you. She said,
47:10"Hi, come on in."
47:11>> Are you talking to anybody else in the
47:12house? Was there anybody else there?
47:15>> There was her.
47:18Uh there was a guy that he mentioned.
47:22uh
47:25that that guy that he had mentioned to
47:26me.
47:27>> Okay.
47:27>> And there was there was there was an old
47:29man uh in a wheelchair.
47:30>> Okay.
47:31>> And you you've talked to him before,
47:33right?
47:33>> The old man
47:36he had dementia. He had dementia,
47:37whatever that's called.
47:38>> But when you were there doing the uh the
47:41roofing shingles on the deck, you you
47:43talked to everybody in the house that
47:44day.
47:45>> Oh, that there was there was there were
47:48Oh, I didn't know who lived in that
47:50house, but there there was another guy
47:51there. He he rides a bike around.
47:55Um when I was doing the Porsche, you put
47:57shingles on it, you know, drank some
47:59soda pops, you know.
48:01>> Did you have sandwiches that day?
48:03>> Yeah. Yeah. They fed me lunch cuz I was
48:05hungry. She had I was asked if I was
48:07hungry and I said, "Yeah, I'll start."
48:10>> How How long was that before you came
48:12back the second time? Like what was the
48:14timeline between when you did the deck
48:16work until you visited on the 5th?
48:20Well, when I left that day having
48:22sandwiches and I asked if they any more
48:24odd jobs
48:26had any dollar jobs and she gone she
48:31says well uh not right now I have to
48:35think of something
48:38cuz you know it's not all the time where
48:39somebody has odd job. Well, yeah,
48:41sometimes you might.
48:42>> So, yeah.
48:43>> Uh, [clears throat]
48:45she says uh
48:48uh call at a certain time or a certain
48:50day.
48:52And so I did and she said, "No, not
48:56today." You know, first
48:59she was taking a bed.
49:01>> Oh, so you you spoke to on the phone
49:03before?
49:04>> Yeah, cuz you told me to call. Yeah.
49:07>> How many times how many times you talked
49:08to her on the phone?
49:09>> Uh
49:10It's uh I think it's twice. Yeah.
49:14>> Did Did you call her before you went
49:16over to the house on the 5th?
49:23>> No.
49:26Jeez. I don't think I did cuz uh one
49:30time she told me uh in the morning, come
49:33on. I'll bring you anytime. You know, if
49:35as long as it's past 9:30 anyways.
49:38And so I think that's what I did. I just
49:41went over there, you know, goes night it
49:42was past 9:30, they'll be awake and
49:44which they were. So knock on the door
49:47and they're awake, you know, out and
49:50busting around inside the house
49:53and offered me in.
49:57>> So when you show up on the fifth and
50:00you're talking to Don inside the house,
50:02>> the lady Yes.
50:03>> Where where are you standing at in the
50:04house?
50:06I'm I'm standing right by the there's a
50:09couch right as you get in there. Right
50:11on the right side there's a there's a
50:14couch where three people can sit on.
50:17That's what I'm standing in.
50:18>> Is there any other furniture inside?
50:21>> There's a there's another bed or another
50:25couch. It turns out into a bed on on
50:27another wall
50:30and there's a chair.
50:32>> Okay. Anybody in that chair?
50:35the there there there was a guy in that
50:37chair. Okay.
50:38>> Did you have any conversation with him?
50:40>> Yeah, about him. Yeah.
50:42>> What was that like? What was the context
50:44of that?
50:45>> Well, they're saying that uh Trump isn't
50:48doing everything that he's saying he was
50:51going to do and he's lying to people and
50:54they had news on the TV.
50:58>> Did you Did you like rebuttal on that?
51:00What What's your take? Do you think
51:01Trump's doing what he's supposed to do?
51:03>> I actually like Trump. I mean, uh, the
51:05first time that he was president, I, you
51:07know, that was good, you know, but, uh,
51:11he's a strong individual. Trump is
51:14everybody overseas to caravan.
51:17>> Are you are you just having this
51:18conversation with the gentleman in the
51:19chair or is there other people that are
51:22like conversing with you or is
51:24>> No, I'm just having a conversation with
51:26the that guy and me. Yeah.
51:29>> Did Did Don stay there the whole time?
51:31>> Huh? Did Don stay there the whole time
51:33in the living room or
51:34>> No, she was bustling around and doing
51:36her morning thing.
51:37>> Okay.
51:38>> Yeah, she thought she sat like for a few
51:42minutes to take a break. Uh uh looking
51:45at her phone
51:47uh sitting there and she said something
51:49about Trump that Trump's a liar and
51:53stuff and she just took a break from
51:55bustling around.
51:58But I was paying attention to
52:00conversation me the guy was having on
52:02the TV because he was talking about the
52:04TV too. So
52:05>> do you remember his name or
52:07>> I don't know those people too well at
52:09all. Just
52:12>> they they they seem to know me when I
52:14was younger and growing up.
52:16>> Okay. And
52:17>> did you have a conversation about when
52:18you were younger with with them or did
52:21like did they know? They actually have
52:24told me that uh
52:26they know my family. They've known me
52:29since I was younger. They they know my
52:33mom and they know me when I was a baby
52:36and stuff. And I was like, "Well, okay."
52:40And uh they've known
52:43uh people of my family or friends of the
52:45family,
52:46>> okay?
52:46>> You know, I was like, "Oh, okay." You
52:49know, I said, "I don't know you.
52:52>> [laughter]
52:53>> But they know me cuz they've known
52:56people around my family and friends
52:57around my family and they knew of me cuz
53:00I was a baby.
53:01>> Gotcha. Gotcha.
53:02>> And so I was like, "All right." You
53:06know, and the lady remembered me when I
53:10was a baby and my mom, you know. I was
53:13like, "Okay." You know,
53:17it seems like everybody knows a little
53:18bit about everybody, you know, these
53:20days or something. Well, Cal County is
53:23not a super big town here.
53:24>> I was interested in somebody knowing me
53:27when I was a baby, you know. I mean,
53:29like, all right. Well, I mean, namely
53:30when I was growing up.
53:33>> So,
53:34>> you mentioned earlier something that
53:35kind of thought was kind of interesting.
53:37You said you had really quick hands.
53:39>> Uh-huh.
53:40>> What What What's that mean?
53:42>> I have practiced in dishwashing.
53:45>> Have you practiced anything else?
53:47>> Well, you got to have quick hands in
53:49order to have dishwashing experience.
53:51And my first job, I was kind of slow at
53:53it. So my first job uh at dishwashing,
53:58you know, you got to speed up. So you
53:59got to know everything is what this
54:01goes, where this goes, how to stack the
54:03dish, the dishes on the racks. So once
54:06that's completed, your hands move
54:08faster. You know how to handle stuff,
54:11and your hands get faster and faster,
54:13and you do the job faster and better,
54:15and you could you could become the
54:18professional at your job.
54:21You know that could be any job. Sure.
54:23Sure. You know, but yeah, that's why I
54:26say I have fast hands because I got used
54:27to dishwashing
54:29cut the the bowls and silverware. Pick
54:32up silverware out of the racks. You you
54:34know with your hand back and forth, you
54:36know, when you t forks, knives, spoons,
54:39what have you, you only want to see the
54:40forks at the time when you see when you
54:42pick up this settle your reflexes get
54:46faster, your hands get faster at the
54:47job. become professional. Professional,
54:49you know, and is what I did.
54:54>> Yeah.
54:54>> So,
54:55>> did you use your hands for anything
54:56else? Like when you were younger, high
54:58school, anything like that?
55:00>> No.
55:01>> Like martial arts of any kind?
55:02>> Like I was telling him, I actually hung
55:04out with the tough guys.
55:06>> Did you I was little when I was younger.
55:08>> Did you do any kind of martial arts as
55:09you got older?
55:12>> Well,
55:13I did a lot of things when I was growing
55:15up, you know, but um a lot of people do
55:19and it's like you guys, you know, you
55:21everybody does something when they're
55:22growing up and just want to stick with
55:23it. So,
55:26but uh
55:28yeah,
55:31I just did a lot of things when I was
55:32growing up.
55:35>> Yeah, it's something, you know, got into
55:40my head, you know, excited my head, you
55:42know, jogging, exercising, what have
55:44you. You just want to stick with it.
55:46Even just uh punching a bag like at the
55:49YMCA, you know, you like it, stick with
55:52it.
55:53>> Can you punch a bag pretty fast? Did you
55:56practice that or?
55:57>> Well,
56:00maybe.
56:01>> Yeah. You do a lot of like uh shadow
56:04boxing and stuff like that. Or
56:07what's that got to do with what I'm in
56:09jail for?
56:11>> Just asking, man. I know.
56:13>> Just trying to ask who you are. I'm
56:17I'm in here for being blamed for murder
56:20and you I'm not saying you're do doing
56:23bad question or nothing like that but
56:25people do things when they grow up. If
56:26they're excited about it, keep on doing
56:28it. People just do it, you know. I mean,
56:32this is what it is, you know. I kept
56:33myself in shape.
56:34>> Yeah.
56:36>> I mean, there are many ways for a man or
56:40woman or a child to keep themselves in
56:42shape. You know, it's what they grew up
56:44to do. Sure. Keep healthy. Sure. I mean,
56:48nothing wrong with it. You got to keep
56:50your You got to keep your mind and your
56:51body straight. Straight and strong. I
56:54mean, if you don't, you get turned into
56:55a mushroom or whatever they want to call
56:57it. You just just stay awake all your
56:59life.
57:01I want to stay a weak. Just like working
57:04in a lumber yard, you got to work out
57:05and keep strong. Well, I'm I'm just
57:07saying, you know, you want to work
57:08somewhere that's tough, you got to work
57:11your body.
57:13Are are you a strong person, Alice?
57:15>> I like to arm wrestle. Yeah, you know,
57:18push-ups and just exercise, you know,
57:20keeps you keeps you strong.
57:25>> So, get back to the house there. You're
57:27you're having a conversation about
57:29trunk. How long does that conversation
57:30last?
57:32Uh, probably about 15 minutes at most
57:35cuz uh [clears throat] uh I got tired
57:39tired of listening to it.
57:42I mean, don't get me wrong, I like
57:43Trump. Yes, he's he's he does I guess he
57:47does what he does in my eyes. You know,
57:48he's strong individual. Everybody's
57:50scared of him. Uh the president, but you
57:53know, I I say since Don didn't have any
57:56work for me to do and like I I say,
57:59"Hey, I got to go." And so I left. There
58:03was other things on my mind.
58:05>> What What was on your mind?
58:08>> Going again. Uh more odd yachts, but I
58:11was just I just didn't do it that
58:13morning. I was like, "Hey, with this uh
58:17you know, if you have a long
58:18conversation about Trump or anybody that
58:19you're really not used to hearing, you
58:22know, I just want to get that off your
58:23head."
58:23>> Did Did it seem like they had a
58:25different view more so of Trump, like
58:27were they supportive or not supportive?
58:31cuz it sounds like you're kind of more
58:33supportive. Is that right? Well, that
58:35girl,
58:37she
58:39I think she's like maybe half half on
58:41him.
58:44But that guy, he he talked about him and
58:47he seemed to like him. I like Trump. I
58:50don't see nothing wrong with the guy,
58:51you know. He won, you know, but no, uh
58:55there's nothing wrong with that, you
58:57know. I would have voted for him, but I
59:00just didn't get to the register.
59:03But there you didn't get to register.
59:04>> I didn't get to the register. Gotcha.
59:07Gotcha. to vote for him. But it sounded
59:10like and I maybe I misunderstood
59:12partially, but it sounded like you guys
59:14had kind of like a a disagreement on
59:16whether Trump was doing the things he
59:18was supposed to do.
59:19>> No. And and whether like it seemed like
59:21you were having kind of a conversation
59:23about that. That's Is that not what you
59:25said or did I miss something?
59:26>> No. I mean, they were talking about
59:27Trump and the lady like I just said like
59:29like you're just misunderstanding me
59:31now. Yes. Uh
59:33>> yeah, she was saying that Trump was
59:36lying about a few things that he's not
59:38going through what he was saying, but uh
59:42he's still getting things done.
59:43>> Did that make you mad when she was
59:44saying he was lying?
59:46>> No.
59:47>> A lot of people knows that he's lying to
59:48someone just like the last president,
59:50you know, saying this and saying that
59:52and not going through with it. People
59:54notice things like that.
59:55>> Sure. No, it's like it just happened.
59:59I mean, no. I mean, the guy got got
1:00:02elected president, which is fine. I like
1:00:03that. You know, he's just doing what
1:00:05he's he's doing. Everybody that
1:00:07pressuring him into do to doing
1:00:09everything at once, you know, he's going
1:00:11to be president for another four years
1:00:13until another president comes in
1:00:14possibly. So, he has plenty of time to
1:00:16do things. He's already gotten a lot
1:00:18done. But no, no, no. Whatever people
1:00:21say about Trump, no. This is that's
1:00:24their opinions. But he's still a good
1:00:26dude. Everybody says that he hasn't done
1:00:28things or he's lying about things, but
1:00:30they still like him even though they
1:00:33they've uh voted for him. I mean,
1:00:38it is what it is, you know. It's just
1:00:40he's still a good dude. He's still a the
1:00:42baddest president I think there is. You
1:00:44know, the uh the best president.
1:00:48right there.
1:00:49>> So, you're you're having this chat
1:00:52mostly with the gentleman in the chair.
1:00:54Is that right?
1:00:54>> Yeah.
1:00:55>> And and Dawn, she's Where's she at in
1:00:58the house?
1:01:00>> Well, she was in the that morning. She
1:01:02was bustling bustling around like I said
1:01:04earlier. She was bustling around uh up
1:01:07and down the hall uh getting getting
1:01:11breakfast done.
1:01:12>> How long were you in the hospital?
1:01:14>> Maybe about 15 maybe 20 minutes. I'm
1:01:18like that. Like I said, because I was
1:01:20getting tired of hearing about Trump,
1:01:22just talking about it, and there was no
1:01:24odd jobs for me to do that day.
1:01:26>> You said she was getting breakfast. Was
1:01:27she like preparing meals or
1:01:30>> Yeah, it was breakfast time for them.
1:01:32>> Okay. Was she cooking?
1:01:35>> Uh,
1:01:37she was bustling around somewhere going
1:01:39back and forth, but yeah, she's just
1:01:41cooking breakfast. That's what That's
1:01:43what has to be done if you're going to
1:01:44be doing breakfast is cook.
1:01:46>> Sure. Sure.
1:01:48>> They didn't have you to stay for
1:01:49breakfast or anything like that?
1:01:50>> No.
1:01:51>> No.
1:01:51>> No. I No. There was no reason for me to
1:01:54stay for breakfast. I was I was there to
1:01:55work, you know, make some money, but
1:01:58there was there was no job. So, I had to
1:02:01had to let them know that uh I was going
1:02:02to go ahead and go and so I went and had
1:02:06left. Um and now from there, you guys
1:02:11know what happened from there. First
1:02:13camera, the car left and I left. I mean,
1:02:17there's no big mystery there. I mean,
1:02:24>> well, yeah, I know, right? Except now we
1:02:28have two people who are hurt, right? You
1:02:31leave and now there's there's somebody
1:02:33who's deceased.
1:02:35Well, I did not know that until I was
1:02:38just now having a warrant for my murder
1:02:41arrest.
1:02:42which was strangely obnoxious to me.
1:02:46I understand that
1:02:49I was told that by the officer.
1:02:52So, I mean,
1:02:56it's
1:02:59that's just, oh my goodness,
1:03:03am I afraid? Yes. And then again, I'm
1:03:05confused. Yes. There there there's a
1:03:08little being blamed for murder. That's
1:03:13not good for anybody at all. For one,
1:03:17and that can scare somebody,
1:03:20you know.
1:03:21>> Are you scared?
1:03:22>> Well, my nerves are actually quite calm.
1:03:27As you guys seen right now, I don't seem
1:03:30scared. I seem calm. Yeah. And I'm
1:03:32talking about what have you, you know,
1:03:35and
1:03:37no, I don't actually get scared that
1:03:39easy. I'm just I just don't have the
1:03:41nerves to get scared.
1:03:42>> What does scare you?
1:03:44>> Nothing.
1:03:46>> Never. Nothing ever.
1:03:48>> No monsters, no problem goblins, no
1:03:50nothing like that.
1:03:50>> Scared of the dark. Like when I was
1:03:52younger, I used to be really scared of
1:03:53the dark.
1:03:54>> No.
1:03:55No. But
1:03:59uh people that I've met in my life is
1:04:02just a it's it's just in your head. And
1:04:05if you think it's real, it's real. And
1:04:06if it's not, it's not.
1:04:09If you want to be scared of it, you're
1:04:10going to be scared of it. If you don't
1:04:11want to be scared of it, just don't be
1:04:13scared of it. So just become neutral.
1:04:17So I be tell myself just be neutral, not
1:04:19to be scared of anything.
1:04:21It's like having no nerves.
1:04:24How long have you been that way always?
1:04:27Or when when did you kind of find when
1:04:29did you find that spot, Alex?
1:04:32>> When I was
1:04:35probably when I was about 14, maybe I
1:04:37was younger. About 14, something like
1:04:39that. I'm not sure if that's the right
1:04:40age.
1:04:42It all has to do with meditation.
1:04:45>> So, does it kind of go back to the
1:04:46church then?
1:04:47>> Not just the church. You can you can not
1:04:50even you don't even have to go to church
1:04:52just to meditate.
1:04:54You know some some friends that you know
1:04:58meditate teach you how to meditate clear
1:05:00your head you know just teach you not to
1:05:03be afraid of anything even though it's
1:05:06supposed to be afraid freaky or
1:05:09something like that. It's just like
1:05:12whatever thing that's I I think it's
1:05:14pretty brave to not be afraid of
1:05:16anything.
1:05:19Well, there's nothing to be afraid of,
1:05:22you know. It's this I'm living life. Why
1:05:26go around life just being afraid of
1:05:28something or everything?
1:05:31>> It's just it's just like having a chip
1:05:34on your shoulder and you can't get it
1:05:35off. You're just afraid of something or
1:05:37everything. I don't got no chip on my
1:05:40shoulder, per se. It's just there's
1:05:42never been one.
1:05:44This is there's no reason to even being
1:05:47having that feeling.
1:05:51Being afraid of something just means
1:05:52looking over your shoulder or looking at
1:05:54somebody that just looked at you just
1:05:56just to look at you, you know, but
1:06:00you're constantly afraid of that person,
1:06:01you know, just cuz you looked at you
1:06:03just I'm just saying that could be
1:06:06anything about being afraid [snorts]
1:06:08being afraid of people, what have you,
1:06:10what have you.
1:06:12I refuse to be that way.
1:06:14And that's kind of been your your motto
1:06:17since you were a teenager.
1:06:18>> Yeah. It's just to refuse to be afraid
1:06:20because I be like that my whole life
1:06:23because once you grow up be older you
1:06:26kind of you grow up into being afraid.
1:06:30And uh but no that's not what I wanted
1:06:33to be. I wanted to be fearless not
1:06:36afraid of anything. That's good to have.
1:06:38You know just being a normal person
1:06:40whatever a normal person is going about
1:06:42life. What what is a normal person?
1:06:44>> I have no idea.
1:06:46>> Some people that
1:06:47>> some people say that they're I'm
1:06:49abnormal. People say that's normal. And
1:06:52I say, well, I just say I'm just living
1:06:55my life, you know, cuz normal is normal.
1:06:57They're they're not born perfect. And
1:07:00they say babies are are are normal cuz
1:07:03they're just newborn.
1:07:05Oh, they're normal. They're perfect.
1:07:06This and that. I said, "Okay, well, if
1:07:09that's what you want to say, you know,
1:07:13nobody's normal. Nobody's perfect. We
1:07:16all we all do things in life. Um, we all
1:07:19live our life differently."
1:07:23>> I just grew up living my life how I knew
1:07:25how to live my life, you know.
1:07:27>> You say that we all do things in our
1:07:29life.
1:07:29>> Of course, we all do.
1:07:31>> What things do you do?
1:07:33>> I like to keep my mind straight. When
1:07:36it's not straight, what do we do?
1:07:38>> I try not to be that way.
1:07:41>> Because it just affects the mind.
1:07:42>> I know we try not to be that way.
1:07:44>> Yeah.
1:07:45>> But we're all that way sometimes.
1:07:47>> Well, sometimes we get frustrated at our
1:07:49friends, you know, just off of something
1:07:51that they
1:07:53might say or uh might keep on repeating
1:07:56or, "Hey, I already said that." Yeah, he
1:07:59said that the other day, too. Like if
1:08:01somebody has mental problems, per se,
1:08:03they keep on repeating themselves. Hey,
1:08:04you already said that. He's like, "Oh,
1:08:06sorry." You know, it's just the way I
1:08:07am. Just want to make sure you know that
1:08:10kind of thing. You know, it's just it's
1:08:12just life. You know, people are growing
1:08:13up differently.
1:08:16I mean,
1:08:18not everybody grows up the same. Not
1:08:20even twins. [clears throat] They might
1:08:22look like, but doesn't mean they grow up
1:08:24the same.
1:08:27>> You want another drink of this photo?
1:08:29You kind of seem like your throat's
1:08:30getting a little dry.
1:08:31>> Or if you need a break, Alex, you can
1:08:33have a break, too, man. Just slow if you
1:08:35need a break.
1:08:36>> No, fine.
1:08:37>> Okay.
1:08:38>> I'm just, you know, uh,
1:08:42>> so Alex, I We're all good people, right?
1:08:44We want to be good people.
1:08:46>> Of course. Well, some some people don't,
1:08:48but yeah, I'm a I'm a good person,
1:08:50>> right?
1:08:54>> So, let's let's let's talk about what
1:08:56happened that day. What what happened
1:08:58that day?
1:08:58>> See, that's See, that's another thing,
1:09:00too. I want to see a video as I'll tell
1:09:04on him of me being there doing what
1:09:07supposedly had been done. Seriously,
1:09:10because I did not do anything.
1:09:11>> What What do you think's been done?
1:09:13>> What you told me? Some person is dead.
1:09:16Some another person is dead uh injured.
1:09:20Well, I'm being blamed for this because
1:09:23somebody said my name. Okay. That's the
1:09:26only reason I I got a warrant for my
1:09:28arrest. Alexander Rogers.
1:09:31And so I want to see a video take
1:09:34something that shows me doing this.
1:09:38Okay, if you guys show that, hey, guess
1:09:42what? I'm guilty. And I was actually
1:09:44talking to him earlier about a weapon.
1:09:48He said, "Oh, not all all all murders,
1:09:52anything like that has to have a weapon
1:09:54involved." Well, there has to be a
1:09:56weapon involved to prove that whatever
1:09:59happened was made or done by a certain
1:10:02weapon. It was done by this weapon.
1:10:05Well, where's the weapon? I have no idea
1:10:08what the weapon is. And then he told me
1:10:11that there was a knife found in in the
1:10:13comm. Ah, guess what? Go ahead and check
1:10:16that knife. Check it all you want.
1:10:19That's just a fishing knife. That's a
1:10:20knife. It could be what murder weapon.
1:10:21Sure. I know what the knife looks like.
1:10:23I put it there as a black pasta chief.
1:10:26And so,
1:10:29you know,
1:10:32to be honest, real honest right now,
1:10:34that's all we're asking. If you don't
1:10:36have no video of me doing anything or
1:10:39even have an actual weapon and of the
1:10:43accident that even happened,
1:10:46I'm not trying to play tough guy, but
1:10:49I'm done.
1:10:52Find me a video of me doing something
1:10:54was for is one because I didn't do
1:10:56nothing. I did not do nothing to those
1:10:58people. I love those people. They love
1:11:00me. They knew me when I was growing up
1:11:03literally.
1:11:03>> How' they get hurt then?
1:11:05>> You didn't have to get somebody that
1:11:08actually did the did did that. So I mean
1:11:13I went there for work to visit with the
1:11:16people
1:11:18and I left. There was no work. Why
1:11:20state? There's no work.
1:11:22I mean, but
1:11:25like I'm saying,
1:11:26>> do you remember what you were wearing
1:11:27that day?
1:11:31>> Yeah, actually I do. The clothes. The
1:11:34clothes uh I came in jail with.
1:11:38H anything else?
1:11:41Yeah. Uh I was wearing a black jacket.
1:11:45Yeah.
1:11:48that there's nothing wrong with wearing
1:11:49clothes. I mean,
1:11:55>> but
1:11:56if there is no video, literally video of
1:11:59me doing anything cuz I wasn't doing
1:12:02anything. If there's no murder weapon at
1:12:05that, I'm done.
1:12:07>> Okay.
1:12:08>> There's there's no there's no weapon
1:12:11besides a knife in the car that could be
1:12:13used as a weapon. Yeah, that'll have my
1:12:15fingerprints on it. It's not like I have
1:12:16no blood. No, nobody's blood on it.
1:12:18>> How do you take that?
1:12:19>> What have you used that knife for?
1:12:21>> I didn't I didn't use it. I I uh cleaned
1:12:24it up actually because it was dirty. It
1:12:26was rusty. It was a nice knife.
1:12:27>> Where where did you get that knife?
1:12:29>> Where I lived? I live in a trailer.
1:12:31>> Oh, okay.
1:12:33>> But uh No, I cleaned it up and
1:12:38it wasn't nothing much. just a fishing
1:12:41knife, you know, a tough fishing lure or
1:12:45uh fishing a fish necks, you know, to
1:12:48kill them or whatever or splitting down
1:12:49the the down the down the belly. It's
1:12:52just a fishing knife. But uh yeah,
1:12:58uh no, I'm not guilty at all.
1:13:02I will not do anything like that to
1:13:04anybody.
1:13:07You know, I I love people, period.
1:13:10Right.
1:13:10>> Even don't get me wrong. Don't get me
1:13:13wrong at all.
1:13:13>> Alex, let me ask you this, man. If let's
1:13:16say hypothetically the the the items in
1:13:18your car,
1:13:20let's say they had some blood on it that
1:13:22came from Dawn and we've already
1:13:24established that Dom was hurt and killed
1:13:27August 5th.
1:13:30What would you say if your if her DNA,
1:13:32her blood was on your clothing?
1:13:35>> Was on my clothing?
1:13:36>> Yeah.
1:13:37I wouldn't say nothing cuz uh they they
1:13:39wouldn't be. I didn't do nothing.
1:13:42>> You wouldn't you wouldn't have an
1:13:44explanation for why it would be on
1:13:46there?
1:13:47>> No, cuz I didn't do nothing wrong.
1:13:55>> Oh, who who told you that you need a
1:13:57weapon in connection to a murder to be
1:13:59guilty?
1:14:00just I've learned this growing up since
1:14:02like I was 14 or 15 years old when I
1:14:04actually started knowing what crime was,
1:14:07uh how people do crime, what weapons
1:14:09they use, this and that or uh any type
1:14:12of weapon that could hurt somebody or
1:14:15kill them or what have you. And if it
1:14:19could become if it if a person be uh is
1:14:23murdered from a certain weapon that
1:14:26somebody used, a person that somebody
1:14:29would have to have that certain type of
1:14:31weapon, whatever they might have used in
1:14:33order to claim that they did this, their
1:14:37fingerprints, the other person's blood
1:14:39or anything like that. you know, the uh
1:14:42what what like the powerful of a of a
1:14:46weapon, how would they be used, a bat,
1:14:48you know, axe or something like that,
1:14:51you know, anything like that. And I
1:14:54learned that growing up. I learned that
1:14:56from cops. I learned that from my dad.
1:14:57My dad was an investigator. He was a cop
1:14:59for a while. Uh I learned that from uh
1:15:02people that he that he knew, still
1:15:05knows.
1:15:06Yeah. [clears throat]
1:15:08But uh I've known that ever since and I
1:15:11believe it. If there is actually no
1:15:13murder weapon,
1:15:14>> what I'm trying to say say to you is
1:15:15this is before we ever come down came
1:15:18down here, um a judge, you're familiar
1:15:22with what judges do, right? They
1:15:25>> they
1:15:26>> Well, yeah, that's a that's a that's a
1:15:28way I understand it, too. Um but before
1:15:31we ever got down here,
1:15:32>> okay,
1:15:33>> a judge looked at the details we've
1:15:35shared with you.
1:15:36>> Okay. And a judge said that there's
1:15:37probable cause to arrest you for these
1:15:39crimes.
1:15:40>> Okay.
1:15:40>> Probable cause. You know what probable
1:15:42cause means?
1:15:43>> Yeah.
1:15:43>> Okay.
1:15:44>> So, the judge that signed your
1:15:47nationwide
1:15:48extraditable warrant for your arrest for
1:15:51murder in the first degree and assault
1:15:52or murder in the second degree and
1:15:54assault in the first degree.
1:15:55>> Jesus.
1:15:56>> Said that and knew that we did not have
1:15:59a knife at the time. And he said there's
1:16:03enough to arrest you and put you in
1:16:05jail. that you just told me.
1:16:06>> What's that?
1:16:07>> You told me earlier,
1:16:09>> don't say you didn't. That there was a
1:16:11knife in the car. And I just told you
1:16:13yes, there was.
1:16:14>> Okay. You think you're misunderstanding
1:16:16me?
1:16:17>> No. You said there was a knife in the
1:16:19car cuz the black car. Yes.
1:16:21>> Okay. Let me back it up. Before we came
1:16:23down here.
1:16:27Okay. Before we came down here, a judge
1:16:30signed a warrant saying law enforcement
1:16:33in the United States of America. If you
1:16:34see Alexander Lee Rogers, you put him in
1:16:37cuffs.
1:16:38>> Mhm.
1:16:38>> Based on the circumstances that we've
1:16:40shared with you.
1:16:40>> Yeah. But if you just told me, I have to
1:16:42back up some more. You said that you
1:16:45didn't mention a knife in the car. You
1:16:47did.
1:16:48>> No, no, no. We We
1:16:49>> That's why we talked about it.
1:16:50>> Listen, we we found a knife today, Alex.
1:16:53>> A knife today?
1:16:56>> Okay. you were just talking about. You
1:16:58said
1:16:58>> you you said there was a knife in the
1:17:00car.
1:17:00>> Yeah. You That happened today.
1:17:02>> Yeah. The black car.
1:17:03>> Yeah.
1:17:03>> Yeah. It's
1:17:05>> Your warrant was issued days ago.
1:17:06>> It's trying to explain.
1:17:08>> It's a the blade's like maybe 6 in long.
1:17:13Has a plastic sheet on it.
1:17:14>> I saw it, man. I know what it looks
1:17:15like.
1:17:16>> I know it looks like too. I was the one
1:17:17that put I'm trying to explain to you is
1:17:19that the judge disagrees necessarily
1:17:21with what your friends told you growing
1:17:23up.
1:17:24>> Right. You don't care. Well, I think my
1:17:27partner's telling you there was probable
1:17:28cause before us even finding the knife.
1:17:30>> Before finding any knife.
1:17:32>> That's why you arrested before we got to
1:17:34California.
1:17:35>> Correct.
1:17:36>> Check that knife. I told him like 10
1:17:38times in a row, check that knife.
1:17:41>> I also
1:17:42>> I don't understand here.
1:17:45I really don't understand you guys.
1:17:47Really,
1:17:50a judge could put out a warrant for
1:17:52anybody suspect. Anybody cops gonna
1:17:55suspect anybody for anything you know
1:17:57this or that what are you you know I am
1:18:00not literally gonna kill anybody like
1:18:02that that's just totally wrong it is not
1:18:05my blood
1:18:08so like I told him maybe maybe you
1:18:11didn't that wasn't your intention
1:18:14>> that's not my intention anyway to kill
1:18:16anybody
1:18:16>> right so maybe things got out of hand
1:18:18that's what we're trying to ask then
1:18:21if anything gets out of hand like If you
1:18:23get drunk and get in a street fight,
1:18:25that gets out of hand.
1:18:27>> But if you're talking about innocent
1:18:28people here and you're just killing them
1:18:32at a just
1:18:35illheartedly, no, that is that is not
1:18:37me.
1:18:38>> Well, I'm saying
1:18:39>> I care for everybody,
1:18:40>> but me at my worst moment, Alex, me at
1:18:42my most frustrated point and I'm losing
1:18:44my temper is not me. That's me at my
1:18:46worst.
1:18:47>> Okay, I'm gonna say this one more time.
1:18:49Then I think I'm gonna be done.
1:18:51>> Okay.
1:18:51>> Okay. then I might get a lawyer. Okay.
1:18:55Might might. I'm not saying I am. But I
1:18:58did not do anything. If there is no
1:19:01actual actual video of me doing this
1:19:05obnoxious thing to these people
1:19:08and if there's no actual actual weapon
1:19:12with my fingerprints on it or even any
1:19:15blood of these people, I'm done cuz I
1:19:18know I didn't do anything. There is a
1:19:21knife in that car.
1:19:22>> What's What's the video show that we
1:19:24have?
1:19:25>> I have no idea. That's what I'm saying.
1:19:27If you look at I don't have any video of
1:19:29anything.
1:19:31Why should I copy anything? You guys are
1:19:33trying to make me copy something.
1:19:35>> We're seeking the truth.
1:19:36>> Yes. You're trying to make me copy
1:19:37something.
1:19:38>> Just want the best.
1:19:39>> Just seeking
1:19:39>> I know how you guys work.
1:19:42I haven't done nothing wrong in it. No,
1:19:45I will not do that to anybody. Honestly,
1:19:47I won't even step on it and I'll go
1:19:50around it. I will blow on it to get it
1:19:52away from you or something. I'm just
1:19:54saying [clears throat] I am not I'm I'm
1:19:56not a people killer. Honestly,
1:20:00show me a video of anything and me doing
1:20:02what I did. Seriously. Period. Okay.
1:20:08And if you even have a certain weapon
1:20:12that was done in the crank, period.
1:20:16Seriously,
1:20:18take a picture of it. Take a picture of
1:20:20it. Come back and film me. I will stay
1:20:22here in jail till you do that. I'm not
1:20:26coping nothing, guys.
1:20:29You said that.
1:20:30>> No, you are.
1:20:31>> I'm ser I'm not trying to be a bull. I'm
1:20:33not sip of this real quick. I'm sorry.
1:20:35No, you're
1:20:36>> I'm not I'm not a bad guy. [ __ ] I'm not
1:20:39a bad guy. I'm really not a bad guy. And
1:20:41I don't think you are. Okay. Okay. Would
1:20:44you like a drink here? Yeah. Thanks.
1:20:46Please
1:20:48take take a deep breath.
1:20:52Yeah.
1:21:02Yeah. It always comes afterwards. Am I
1:21:04pissing that guy off? I'm not trying to
1:21:07I don't know. I I'm not mad at you,
1:21:09right?
1:21:09>> I'm not going to make I just want to
1:21:10have conversation, right?
1:21:12>> Yeah, that's I'm trying to have you.
1:21:13>> Let's Let's back up. You You still want
1:21:15to talk to me, right? You're still okay
1:21:16with that?
1:21:17>> Sure. I'll talk to both of you guys.
1:21:18>> Sure.
1:21:18>> Let's Let's back up a little bit. I'm
1:21:21being blamed for nothing that I didn't
1:21:23do. Alex, not here to blame me. Just
1:21:25trying to find facts. Okay. I just I I
1:21:27know that sounds kind of Maybe it sounds
1:21:30benign. It sounds weird to you, but I'm
1:21:32I am just trying to find a fact. I'm
1:21:34trying to show tell show you guys right
1:21:35now. I've did it many times.
1:21:38>> Show me a video of me doing Let me Let's
1:21:42Let's back up a little bit. Okay. It's
1:21:44the weapon that was used in the
1:21:46incident. Okay. So then I'm not I'm not
1:21:50going to talk to that cuz I didn't do
1:21:51it.
1:21:52>> Let's Let's back up.
1:21:53>> I'm innocent. Can Can we back up just a
1:21:55little bit? Maybe.
1:21:55>> Fine. Fine. Fine.
1:21:56>> Maybe maybe that'll help. So I I want to
1:21:59back up to to your cell phone. We we
1:22:02were talking about your cell phone a
1:22:03little bit ago, right?
1:22:03>> Of course.
1:22:04>> Uh yeah, we mentioned where where did
1:22:06you leave your cell phone? Where where'd
1:22:07you dump your cell phone off?
1:22:08>> Yeah. Where where was that at?
1:22:10>> Well, you guys already know that,
1:22:11>> right?
1:22:13>> Where was that at, though?
1:22:15>> Uh that was uh I guess it was it was a
1:22:18good one, huh? Yeah. [clears throat]
1:22:20>> But you guys knew that
1:22:21>> at the restaurant, right?
1:22:23>> Yeah.
1:22:24>> What What were you doing with the phone
1:22:27prior to to dumping it off?
1:22:32I think I was actually listening to
1:22:34music on the phone because we have
1:22:36YouTube music on the phones.
1:22:38>> Okay. What kind of music were you
1:22:39listening to?
1:22:40>> I actually listen to uh I listen to
1:22:43classical. I listen to
1:22:49>> uh I like to listen to bass music, you
1:22:53know. You know, bass music for cars and
1:22:55stuff like that.
1:22:56>> Like subu type bass or Okay.
1:22:58>> Yeah. Like boom. Like rap music or
1:23:01>> No.
1:23:01>> No. Or just just things with high bass.
1:23:04>> Yeah. I like bass and I like listen to
1:23:05classical.
1:23:07>> What else were you doing on the phone
1:23:08besides listening to music?
1:23:14>> Other than that, I wasn't on the phone.
1:23:19When When you have your phone, what do
1:23:20you what do you use it for typically?
1:23:24What do you What do you What do you
1:23:25search? I know you said you I I like
1:23:27watching YouTube.
1:23:28>> Earlier you said you were on the Google
1:23:30and you were searching for Gary Gary
1:23:32Hilton, right? Yeah. What else? What
1:23:34else do you What else do you use the
1:23:35Google for?
1:23:36>> Well, I just told you I like watching
1:23:39YouTube. Just short uh short videos.
1:23:42Okay.
1:23:43>> Of uh people on cars, you know. Uh there
1:23:47is this YouTube shows videos of all all
1:23:50over the world
1:23:52[clears throat]
1:23:52of uh
1:23:55uh doing racing cars and making uh car
1:23:59sounds and uh just anything that people
1:24:03can record they stick on YouTube.
1:24:05Anything that people like.
1:24:06>> Sure.
1:24:07>> So I go to the YouTube on Google and
1:24:10start watching sort of videos
1:24:12and uh
1:24:14>> you watch other videos on the internet.
1:24:15>> Yeah. There's a thing called home which
1:24:19is sort of a picture of a little house.
1:24:20Go to that. You can actually pick about
1:24:22what videos you like to use. Uh like uh
1:24:26just anything that anybody could put on
1:24:28like YouTube or that. So
1:24:32yeah, there's all sorts of stuff that
1:24:33people can watch on YouTube. Whatever
1:24:35their mind comes up with, I guess. Well,
1:24:37not everything.
1:24:38>> Are there other kind of videos that you
1:24:40you've used your phone? just what
1:24:42whatever they show on YouTube, I'll
1:24:44watch cuz I'll just sit back and drink
1:24:46soda pop or eat water, you know, cuz uh
1:24:49Yeah, I eat water cuz it's frozen.
1:24:52>> Yeah.
1:24:52>> Ice
1:24:52>> ice cubes. Yeah.
1:24:53>> Yep. Mhm.
1:24:55>> Is that like a texture thing? You like
1:24:56that?
1:24:57>> Yeah. But Well, cuz it's hot, too. You
1:25:00know, it's hot out.
1:25:01>> Yeah.
1:25:02>> And I'll just uh watch YouTube cuz
1:25:04there's nothing I got a TV I'll just do
1:25:07uh the phone.
1:25:08>> Yeah. the the phone must have a TV on it
1:25:11because you're watching sport videos.
1:25:13>> Sure. Sure. Sure.
1:25:14>> So, even show movies on YouTube.
1:25:18Um, but uh that's one of my main things
1:25:22I do by myself is watch YouTube cuz
1:25:24there's no TV. So, I watch the the t the
1:25:27telephone for the TV.
1:25:29>> This one might be a little personal. Do
1:25:31you surf for pornography on the
1:25:32internet?
1:25:33>> Pornography?
1:25:34>> Yeah. Uh, well, I'm really quite not
1:25:39into that. Kind of embarrassed of that.
1:25:41So,
1:25:42>> what's embarrassing about that?
1:25:45>> I mean, we talked earlier about kind of
1:25:47like what you like, right?
1:25:48>> Your type.
1:25:50>> Um,
1:25:51>> you use the the
1:25:53>> That's why I say I' I'd rather not get
1:25:55into that. So, I'd actually rather keep
1:25:59on going. Maybe or maybe not. I I'm in
1:26:03jail for it. So, anything else? Uh, I
1:26:07just don't want to talk about. So,
1:26:12anybody could do anything on their phone
1:26:14as they please. Is there is their
1:26:16property. But anyways,
1:26:19uh [clears throat]
1:26:22I got
1:26:24I'm just about done talking. Actually,
1:26:26I'm getting really close to that.
1:26:28>> Okay.
1:26:30Well, Alex, one thing that we we haven't
1:26:33>> I'm not trying to be at the hole.
1:26:34>> We we don't think you are. One thing
1:26:36that we haven't really talked about uh
1:26:39much about is is the fact that uh
1:26:44um Andrew is alive.
1:26:47>> Who?
1:26:47>> Andrew.
1:26:48>> Who's Andrew?
1:26:49>> He's the He's the other victim in the
1:26:51house.
1:26:52>> He was the old man in the chair.
1:26:54>> And he identified you as the person that
1:26:56attacked him and killed Don. Andrew,
1:27:02>> the old man in chair.
1:27:04>> Oh, he's what I call grandpa.
1:27:06>> Yeah.
1:27:06>> Yeah. Yeah. Grandpa.
1:27:08>> Okay. Yeah.
1:27:10>> What?
1:27:11>> Did you not hear I said I don't remember
1:27:13exactly what you said, but he's alive.
1:27:15Yeah. And
1:27:16>> And he identified you as the person that
1:27:17attacked him and dawn.
1:27:20>> I don't I didn't attack nobody.
1:27:22>> Why would he say that?
1:27:24>> Why would he say what?
1:27:25>> That you attacked them. Didn't you hear
1:27:28what I said earlier though?
1:27:32The guy that I had a talk with uh that
1:27:34me did uh me talk about me that me and
1:27:39him were having a talk about Trump.
1:27:40>> Mhm.
1:27:41>> And uh
1:27:41>> I heard all that.
1:27:42>> Okay. Well, I'm listening to you guys.
1:27:44Okay.
1:27:45>> Yep. And he identified you as the person
1:27:47that attacked him and
1:27:48>> Well, can I finish talking to him?
1:27:50>> Please go ahead.
1:27:51>> I'm starting to get angry now.
1:27:53>> Yeah.
1:27:53>> Not in a bad way. Just anyways, if
1:27:57[clears throat] somebody wants to
1:27:58finish, if somebody's talking, you ask
1:27:59him to talk, let them please finish.
1:28:02Anyways, I know who the old man is, not
1:28:05know who he is. Anyways,
1:28:08me and that guy was talking about Trump
1:28:11and things were on the TV and the old
1:28:14man's talking and I usually pay
1:28:17attention when old men talk like he's
1:28:20like my grandpa. Like my grandpa, I pay
1:28:24attention to him. He's a war veteran. He
1:28:25was in World War II and he was like,
1:28:28"Yeah, he's in World War II." Anyways,
1:28:30he's old man. I even though they really
1:28:33can't say much or know what they're
1:28:36saying,
1:28:38I still pay attention to them. Anyways,
1:28:42that guy, he was sitting in the chair
1:28:46laying down.
1:28:48Him and me would talk about Trump. An
1:28:50old man was in a wheelchair. He was
1:28:53starting to talk
1:28:55and I kindly how I am. I respect elderly
1:29:00people.
1:29:02I listen. Okay. And I get I shake my
1:29:06head like like I'm like I'm
1:29:08understanding what he's saying. Okay.
1:29:11Well, this other guy uh
1:29:15whatever he said his name is told me
1:29:17that he has dementia.
1:29:20I said, "Oh, okay." I said, "My both my
1:29:23grandparents have dementia." That means
1:29:26if they don't know what the hell they're
1:29:28talking about, they forget things.
1:29:32They for they have like maybe a minute
1:29:35or so, maybe more of memory in their
1:29:37head. They know the people around them
1:29:40cuz they're always around them.
1:29:43Like I said, I have grandparents.
1:29:44They're like that. I babysited my
1:29:46grandparents when I was younger. My
1:29:48grandma had dementia. My grandpa had
1:29:51dementia. They weren't all there. So, my
1:29:54parents didn't have any time to babysit
1:29:56them. So, I I was doing nothing. So, I
1:29:59babysitted them. I got to know what all
1:30:01this was about. Many of forgetfulness,
1:30:04them not being there in their mind. So,
1:30:06I know what this is. Anyway,
1:30:10that old man does not know me worth the
1:30:12crack.
1:30:14>> Are you talking about the old man in the
1:30:15wheelchair?
1:30:16>> Yes. Andrew, I guess what his name is,
1:30:18right?
1:30:18>> We're not talking about the guy in the
1:30:20wheelchair.
1:30:20>> Okay. I am.
1:30:21>> We're talking about the guy in the
1:30:22recliner.
1:30:23>> Who? Yeah, that guy. He says that uh he
1:30:26was the guy I was talking to.
1:30:28>> Yeah.
1:30:28>> Yeah.
1:30:28>> Yeah. He his name Yeah. I don't know his
1:30:31name.
1:30:32>> You said you attacked him and dawn with
1:30:33a knife.
1:30:34>> I I talked to him the other day. Yeah.
1:30:36Yeah.
1:30:39I'm sorry for laughing on camera. I
1:30:42really am. I really am. But you guys
1:30:45really you guys you guys got to really
1:30:48get you get your story straight.
1:30:52Show me video. Seriously, I already said
1:30:54this like 10 times.
1:30:55>> You just said you respect your elders.
1:30:57You calling man a liar?
1:30:59>> Huh?
1:30:59>> You calling him a liar?
1:31:00>> Who?
1:31:01>> Andrew.
1:31:02>> Who's Andrew?
1:31:04>> Andrew's the surviving victim. He's the
1:31:06one that said that you attacked him and
1:31:08Donald
1:31:10told you guys.
1:31:11>> Why would he say that?
1:31:14>> I don't know. I didn't attack nobody.
1:31:16Well, I'm saying before I'm done here,
1:31:19show me video of me doing anything in
1:31:21that house, finding the weapon that
1:31:24supposedly I used to do this with.
1:31:27>> Alex, why would he say that you did
1:31:29this?
1:31:29>> I don't know. People say things. I mean,
1:31:32>> that's kind of a stretch though, right?
1:31:34I mean, accuse me of something of that
1:31:36nature. Like,
1:31:39you know, that that will that will get
1:31:42somebody. Yes. But I'm not that kind of
1:31:44guy that would do something like that.
1:31:47>> We don't think you're always that kind
1:31:48of guy, Alex.
1:31:49>> Huh?
1:31:49>> We don't think that you're always that
1:31:51kind of guy.
1:31:52>> I try to be as good as that guy as I
1:31:54possibly can in life because that that
1:31:56reflects on other people and they
1:31:58reflect on you the same way. nicely and
1:32:02uh maturely
1:32:04and uh they like to get to know him
1:32:07better, you know. That's what I like.
1:32:12But uh [clears throat] but there's times
1:32:14that we all make mistakes, right?
1:32:18>> Times we all go too far.
1:32:20>> There's times that we do things that we
1:32:22didn't intend to do.
1:32:25Okay, I'm just about done. Show me a
1:32:27video of what I did if you guys really
1:32:30think I did it or whoever said I did it.
1:32:34Find find a supposedly weapon that I
1:32:40supposedly used. Okay. Seriously,
1:32:43>> Alex, you're a smart guy, man.
1:32:45>> Why do you guys keep on doing this? And
1:32:47I told you I'm just about done. I didn't
1:32:49do nothing.
1:32:50>> You can be done anytime you want. Then
1:32:51we're trying to get your perspective on
1:32:53this. We're trying to give you that
1:32:54benefit of the doubt to talk about it. I
1:32:56don't do this to people, guys. I just
1:32:58don't I don't have the heart to see
1:33:00somebody else's blood.
1:33:01>> To what?
1:33:02>> I don't have heart to see somebody
1:33:04else's blood,
1:33:06you know? I mean, if you kill somebody
1:33:09or poke somebody's eyes out or cut their
1:33:12head open or hit somebody with a
1:33:14baseball bat and they start bleeding, I
1:33:16actually throw up.
1:33:19I dry heat up.
1:33:21That's just not me.
1:33:24Ah, no.
1:33:28I am not that guy. I am innocent. I'm
1:33:30always going to play innocent on this. I
1:33:32love people no matter who they are. I'm
1:33:34not a racist. I hate my enemies overseas
1:33:37cuz they want to kill us. But that's
1:33:39about how far that goes.
1:33:42So I can be done anytime, right? So I
1:33:46can be done anytime. Show a video of me
1:33:49doing this and show it to me. Find a
1:33:52weapon that was supposedly used of this
1:33:55horrific actions.
1:33:58horrific actions. Okay. You show me the
1:34:01show me the weapon. Period. Just take a
1:34:03picture of it. Show me. Period.
1:34:06>> Other than that, I'm done.
1:34:07>> Now you can be done.
1:34:09>> I'm done.
1:34:10>> Okay. Have a sit until you're recorded.
1:34:12>> Oh, I'm sorry. You're my bad.
1:34:14>> You're excited.
1:34:15>> I'm sorry. I'm I'm sorry, guys. I'm I'm
1:34:17I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you.
1:34:19>> It's not personal whatsoever. Okay. You
1:34:21can be done anytime you want.
1:34:22>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
1:34:24>> Anytime.
1:34:25>> Would you like to be done talking?
1:34:27>> Not really.
1:34:28>> So, you you read my
1:34:30>> Maybe. Yes. Yes or no? I'm I'm kind of
1:34:33stuck in between here,
1:34:34>> Alex. We're fair guys, man. And you're
1:34:35not to stay here. We're not forcing.
1:34:37We're again, we're seeking truth.
1:34:39>> You've you've you've said Hold on a
1:34:41minute. I just want to clarify.
1:34:42>> I'm sorry.
1:34:44>> You guys have been kind to me for
1:34:46drinks. I appreciate that.
1:34:48>> That's about all we can give you. We
1:34:50don't we don't have anything else to
1:34:51give.
1:34:52>> Well, that's the kind though. That's
1:34:53still the kindness. I look at that. He's
1:34:56helping. Well, I had no choice, but he
1:34:58helped me with the train.
1:34:59>> Do you need another?
1:35:00>> Even though I I could be out of these
1:35:02handcuffs, I'll be honest to you guys.
1:35:04Literally, I am not that kind of guy. Go
1:35:07do
1:35:10horrific things to people, which I'm
1:35:13bling blamed of. I don't do that. You
1:35:17can ask well since you talk to my dad.
1:35:20You can even ask him. I just don't do
1:35:23that.
1:35:25You have some paper on me. Accidents
1:35:27have happened. I don't go on killing
1:35:30people though.
1:35:31>> What was the accident that happened?
1:35:32>> You know that what happened? You have
1:35:35the paperwork. And I'm not going to go
1:35:37back and repeat it. you know all you
1:35:38know I was locked up for something
1:35:43and
1:35:45uh but
1:35:47I don't go around hurting or even
1:35:49killing people on purpose or just for
1:35:51stupid reasons or no reason or just even
1:35:54a little reason or just what have you or
1:35:57just uh just because of what have you.
1:36:01That's just not my blood.
1:36:05Can accidents happen more than once?
1:36:08Different accidents probably if a if a
1:36:11person's accident prone.
1:36:15I'm not accidentrone though. You know, I
1:36:17I try not to do that. I try to be the
1:36:19best guy I possibly can. You know, I I
1:36:22look out for myself in life. You know, I
1:36:24I
1:36:26I want to show off for my dad since he
1:36:28knows my dad. I want, you know, my dad
1:36:31might be a little grumpy. He's 74 years
1:36:33old, but I love him to death. I I care
1:36:36for him that still I want to show off
1:36:39for him as much as I possibly can. Even
1:36:41though he might say this or this or
1:36:43might complain a little bit, he's a hard
1:36:45guy to please. Okay. But still, he's my
1:36:47father.
1:36:48>> Yeah.
1:36:49>> I will not do anything at any given time
1:36:53ever to displease him or to or for him
1:36:57to say, "Alex, you're not you're not my
1:36:59son no more." I don't think your dad
1:37:01would ever say that.
1:37:02>> You're not getting what I'm saying. I'm
1:37:03not that good of a guy.
1:37:04>> No, I'm not saying you aren't. I do get
1:37:06what you're saying because we're all the
1:37:07same way. Every one of us wants to
1:37:08please her.
1:37:08>> I won't make my dad proud in his own
1:37:10eyes.
1:37:11>> And I am doing good out there. Okay. And
1:37:15I'm here cuz I wanted to visit. I was
1:37:17planning on going back.
1:37:18>> Cool.
1:37:19>> Okay. To Washington.
1:37:20>> Yeah.
1:37:21>> Literally, that's that's my place. I
1:37:24have family there, you know. I I
1:37:27survived there quite well, you know. I
1:37:30find work there. You know, I know a lot
1:37:32of people there.
1:37:36So, why would I do something stupid as
1:37:39what they're claiming me to freaking do
1:37:41and
1:37:43get stuck in even the worst situation in
1:37:46anybody's life, which is this being
1:37:49blamed for first-degree murder and
1:37:51whatever else you said. That is No, no,
1:37:53no, no. That that's not me. That I am
1:37:55not that dumb. I'm doing I was doing
1:37:58really well out there. Nobody thinks
1:37:59you're dumb at all. So quite the
1:38:01opposite. Um, nobody thinks you're dumb
1:38:03at all. Nobody's saying that. And and
1:38:06nobody's saying that you're this monster
1:38:08that's out doing this.
1:38:10>> I'm not a monster at all.
1:38:11>> Right. What I'm saying is is everybody
1:38:13has a snapping point. Everybody has a a
1:38:16day where they lose it.
1:38:18>> I might have snapped off a couple people
1:38:20in my family. not snap snap, but you
1:38:22know, uh saying uh maybe some smartass
1:38:25or to my family, that's kind of snapping
1:38:27off, you know, or not agreeing with them
1:38:30and snapping off and and then being done
1:38:32with it and then coming back to dad, you
1:38:34know, or or this that my aunt, whatever.
1:38:36He's like, "Hey, I'm sorry, you know,
1:38:38you know, that's not me." And cuz we're
1:38:40all Christians,
1:38:43you know, so everybody in my whole
1:38:46family is a Christian.
1:38:49words are said.
1:38:52But then again, we we think about it's
1:38:54like that's not me. That should have
1:38:56been said and [clears throat] go back
1:38:58and apologize. I'm the apologizing kind
1:39:00of guy. I don't like doing that to my
1:39:02family at all. You know, it's just my
1:39:05family's my family. I love my family
1:39:09a lot. I mean, it's just I just love my
1:39:12family. I'm in love with my family.
1:39:15But uh with anybody though in life
1:39:18things just slipping in their in out of
1:39:20their mouth you know just small or could
1:39:23be something more than small I'm sorry
1:39:26you know.
1:39:26>> Yeah.
1:39:27>> But I am not no monster at all. Just
1:39:31just it's not my blood to be a monster.
1:39:33I didn't grow up as a monster. You know
1:39:35I didn't get taught to be a monster at
1:39:37all. So I am not a monster. little
1:39:40secure. I think
1:39:42>> one thing I I want to make clear with
1:39:44you is is if you want to continue
1:39:45talking to us, we would love to keep
1:39:47talking to you and and get your take and
1:39:49and continue the conversation, but we're
1:39:51not going to force that. And I just want
1:39:52to be straight with you about that. You
1:39:53don't need to. You've been reading
1:39:55Miranda rights and um we're not going to
1:39:58force that. Okay? I want to make that
1:40:00clear. So, I'm happy to read those again
1:40:02to you. I just don't want you to feel
1:40:03like you're forced to talk to us.
1:40:05>> Okay? Let me say something here.
1:40:08>> Okay?
1:40:13Like I said many many times
1:40:16and I don't care who said what to about
1:40:18what who did this or who did that.
1:40:21I didn't do anything. I'm completely not
1:40:24guilty on everything. I don't give a
1:40:26damn. Okay.
1:40:28Show me video of me doing something
1:40:32straight out. I want to see a video of
1:40:34me doing something, which there's not
1:40:36going to be no video of me doing
1:40:38anything, period, cuz I didn't do
1:40:40anything. And show me the utensil,
1:40:45the knife or what have you, the murder
1:40:47weapon of this so called horrific thing
1:40:51happening. Show me a picture of it.
1:40:53Okay? Just other than that, okay? I'll
1:40:56stay in here in jail. I don't care. I'm
1:40:58fed here. I got water. I can exercise
1:41:01myself. You're Can I ask you a question?
1:41:04Do you remember Officer Bestman back in
1:41:06November of 2024? He contacted him in
1:41:09the Safeway parking lot.
1:41:10>> Huh? You remember a police contact back
1:41:12in November?
1:41:13>> A police contact?
1:41:14>> Yes. You were arrested on a on a warrant
1:41:17and it was uh there was an officer that
1:41:19arrested you in the Safeway parking lot
1:41:21in Long View. Do you remember that?
1:41:24>> Oh, okay. I remember some uh 15th
1:41:28Avenue.
1:41:29>> Yeah.
1:41:29>> Uh parking lot.
1:41:31>> Yeah. Okay. As a young guy, right?
1:41:33>> What's that?
1:41:33>> As a young guy.
1:41:34>> Younger.
1:41:35>> I met him twice.
1:41:36>> Yeah.
1:41:37>> Okay. What about him?
1:41:38>> Do you remember ever saying anything to
1:41:40him in a hospital?
1:41:41>> In a hospital?
1:41:42>> Yeah. Something about taking your taking
1:41:43his gun.
1:41:44>> Taking his gun.
1:41:45>> Mhm.
1:41:46>> I never said nobody's done.
1:41:47>> No, I didn't say you did. Do you recall
1:41:50saying that to him?
1:41:52Taking somebody's gun.
1:41:54>> That you that you thought about taking
1:41:56the officer's guns?
1:41:57>> I would never say that to the cop.
1:41:59>> So, you didn't say that? I would never
1:42:01say that to a cop. Oh, hell no. They
1:42:04They probably had me on the ground and
1:42:05beat me up or something. I would never
1:42:08say that to a cop.
1:42:08>> This was This was Yeah. Okay. It's not a
1:42:11charge or anything like that. I'm just
1:42:13asking you.
1:42:15>> What the Why are you even bringing that
1:42:17up?
1:42:18>> See, cuz you don't have video of me
1:42:20doing what I did. People saying I did
1:42:22anything like that. If you don't have no
1:42:25murder weapon,
1:42:26>> Alex, how many Show me a picture? How
1:42:27many crimes do you think have video
1:42:29footage captured of it?
1:42:31>> I have no idea. I don't care. I'm
1:42:32talking about me,
1:42:32>> right?
1:42:33>> I understand you're talking about.
1:42:34>> If you don't have no video video of me
1:42:37doing anything, no weapon, I'm done.
1:42:41Call officer. I'm done. Call an officer.
1:42:44I won't go back to myself. I did not do
1:42:46anything, guys. Okay?
1:42:49No murder weapon. No video of me doing
1:42:51anything. I don't care who said this,
1:42:53who anybody can say anybody's name.
1:42:55Period. Okay? I will stay here in jail.
1:42:58Okay. I will stay here in jail.
1:43:02I'm sorry, guys. Don't be sorry. No
1:43:04video. No murder weapon. Okay. Yes.
1:43:07There was a knife in the car. Yes. I
1:43:09admit that. Sir, I put it there. It has
1:43:12no What on it?
1:43:14>> [ __ ] No. Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry.
1:43:17>> Thank you for the drink, though. I'm
1:43:19done. Get an officer. I want to go back
1:43:20to myself. No problem. or a video of me
1:43:22doing whatever that I was blamed to do
1:43:25was I didn't do or a murder weapon. I'm
1:43:29done.
1:43:31>> We're going to help you out. Get you
1:43:32>> No, you ain't.
1:43:33>> Get you whatever.
1:43:35>> Oh, that I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be
1:43:37a but I'm not. I don't do her things
1:43:41like that.
1:43:43I just don't.
1:43:45That's not me, guy.
1:43:49I pray for those people. I really do
1:43:51pray for those people.
1:43:56>> Okay. Crap.
1:44:01>> Let me get one more. Is he done?
1:44:02>> Yeah. He's done. He said he want to
1:44:05leave. Oh crap.
1:44:07Okay.
1:44:10>> Oh crap.
1:44:14My sitting down in that position.
1:44:18>> Your original house.
1:44:19>> Huh? What does that mean?
1:44:26Okay. Okay. If you want actually go
1:44:28there.
1:44:30>> Okay.
1:44:36>> It's just going to take just a moment
1:44:37here.
1:44:39>> You got to wait for my partner to Okay.
1:44:41Yeah.
1:44:52I'm tired.
1:45:00>> Are those your
1:45:01>> Are they your hooks?
1:45:03>> They're ours. Okay.
1:45:24>> [clears throat]
1:45:33>> All right, sir. Come down over here.
1:45:35>> Okay.
1:45:36Well, yeah. Once I get move.
1:45:42In the end, the case against Alexander
1:45:44Lee Rogers did not go to trial. On
1:45:46December 4th, 2025, Rogers appeared in
1:45:49Kitz County Superior [music] Court and
1:45:51pleaded guilty to first-degree murder
1:45:53for the death of Don Peters and
1:45:55secondderee attempted murder for the
1:45:57attack on Andrew Leroy Peters. [music]
1:45:59The court sentenced him to 53 months in
1:46:02prison, just under 42 years. Because
1:46:05Rogers [music] was 51 years old at the
1:46:07time, that sentence effectively meant he
1:46:09would spend the rest of his life behind
1:46:11bars. [music] The judge also imposed a
1:46:13lifetime no contact order protecting
1:46:15Leroy and the surviving members of the
1:46:18Peters family. [music] For Dawn's
1:46:20family, the hearing brought a legal
1:46:21ending, but not a real one. Dawn had
1:46:24allowed Rogers onto the property for
1:46:26handyman work, [music] unaware that he
1:46:28had only recently been released from
1:46:29prison after serving roughly two decades
1:46:32for another violent home invasion. 4
1:46:34days later, she was killed inside her
1:46:36own home. [music] Leroy survived, but
1:46:38only after suffering a serious wound to
1:46:40his throat and managing to reach the
1:46:42panic button mounted on the living room
1:46:44wall. Roger's guilty [music] plea
1:46:46answered the legal question of
1:46:47responsibility. But the harder question
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