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0:00Did you kill her in those dreams, or
0:01what happened in those dreams?
0:02>> Sometimes I would kill her, sometimes I
0:04would torture her, sometimes it was just
0:07me screaming at her.
0:09>> How would you torture her in your
0:10dreams?
0:11>> Basically, reenacting
0:17>> On October 29th, 2022,
0:21police in Santa Fe, New Mexico, received
0:23a call from a woman who said her [music]
0:25son had witnessed someone being killed
0:27with a sword.
0:29Officers arrived at a home and entered a
0:32cluttered [music]
0:32detached garage behind the house.
0:35Inside, they found 21-year-old Grace
0:38Jennings [music] on the floor with a
0:40blood-covered sword nearby.
0:42Grace had suffered multiple wounds and
0:44was pronounced dead at the scene.
0:47Grace was newly engaged and [music] had
0:49known one of the people staying in that
0:50garage, 19-year-old Kiera McCully, since
0:54childhood. [music]
0:55The two had once dated.
0:57Kiera was now in a relationship with
0:59Isaac Apodaca, who had also previously
1:02dated Grace.
1:04All three had spent the night together
1:06in the garage.
1:08When police [music] reached the
1:09property, they encountered Kiera leaving
1:11the garage area. [music] She had cuts on
1:14her hands, and officers detained her.
1:17Isaac was found [music] a short distance
1:19away.
1:20Detectives now had a young woman [music]
1:22dead, a sword at the scene, and two
1:25people they needed to speak with about
1:27what happened.
1:28This is the interrogation of Kiera
1:30McCully.
1:48>> All right. Sorry it took so long for me
1:50to uh get around to talking to you, but
1:52I know I uh had to touch base with you
1:54hours ago and told you I'd talk to you
1:56soon, but
1:57these things always take a little bit
1:58longer. Um
2:01Have you ever done this before? Have you
2:02ever been in a police interview? Have
2:03you ever been in trouble or anything
2:05like that? No.
2:06>> I fell out the back of a car before
2:08today.
2:09>> No criminal history at all?
2:12Well, it's not really like the movies.
2:14It's, you know, it's a lot more just
2:17talking and um just trying to
2:19gather the facts of the case I can from
2:21different people's perspectives. Um
2:23yours obviously is a very very important
2:25one, right?
2:27Um
2:27I don't know anything about you. I just
2:29know kind of what what people have told
2:31me so far.
2:32Um from what I've heard from other
2:35statements and officers and their
2:37observations and stuff, you're
2:38potentially a suspect in this case. You
2:40understand that, right?
2:41>> Yeah.
2:42>> Okay.
2:43Because you're a suspect in this case, I
2:45want to make sure that you are very
2:46clear on your constitutional rights. So,
2:49this is the first one that we're going
2:50to go over, okay? All right.
2:53This is your Santa Fe Police Department
2:55Advice/Waiver of Constitutional Rights,
2:57okay?
2:59Before answering any questions asked by
3:02Detective Javier B. Hill, that's me,
3:04of the Santa Fe Police Department, I
3:06fully understand the following.
3:10Sorry about that.
3:11I understand that I have the right to
3:13remain silent. Do you understand what
3:15that means?
3:16>> Yeah.
3:17I understand.
3:18The right to be
3:20quiet about my verbal
3:21>> Yeah.
3:22>> things.
3:22>> If you understand that, please initial
3:24there.
3:26>> I think I've got the challenge down.
3:28These are interesting challenge.
3:33What's the most interesting thing in
3:34here?
3:35>> You.
3:37I understand that anything I say during
3:38this interview can be used as evidence
3:40against me in a court of law.
3:42Do you understand that? Okay. Initial
3:44there.
3:46These are all initials that you
3:47understand them.
3:52>> Here you go.
3:53>> Yeah.
3:55>> I understand that I have the right to an
3:57attorney before and during questioning
4:00and at all times.
4:02Do you understand that?
4:03>> I think so.
4:05>> I can get you to get a few of them.
4:10>> I'm able to get an attorney at any time?
4:12>> Yeah.
4:12Before, during, and after questioning at
4:14any time you're
4:16you have the right to an attorney.
4:17If you understand that, please initial
4:18there.
4:20>> Just the mark against it.
4:28>> I understand that if I cannot afford an
4:31attorney,
4:32one will be provided for me without cost
4:35to me or to my family.
4:37Do you understand what that means?
4:39>> Yes.
4:40>> Initial there.
4:42>> Sir, I'm still half asleep.
4:43>> It's okay. Take your time. We don't have
4:45to rush through these at all.
4:47I understand that I cannot afford an
4:50attorney. So, if you don't have the
4:51money to pay for one,
4:53one will be provided to you without cost
4:56to you or to your family.
4:58>> Yeah, but I don't have the money to pay
5:00for that.
5:08>> Number five. I understand that if I
5:09decide to answer any questions or make
5:11any statements, I still have the right
5:13to stop answering at any time.
5:16Do you understand that?
5:17>> Yes.
5:24What side?
5:25>> It's okay.
5:27I have been advised of the
5:28above-mentioned constitutional rights
5:29and acknowledge that I fully understand
5:31them and have had them explained to me
5:33to my satisfaction.
5:36Furthermore, I consent to answer
5:37questions pertaining to This is the case
5:39number for this incident we're
5:40investigating.
5:422022-011401
5:46which occurred on 10/29/2022
5:49and I do not wish to have an attorney
5:51present.
5:52I also understand that even though I
5:55consent to this interview, I can stop
5:57answering questions anytime I wish to do
5:59so.
6:01Do you understand all that?
6:02>> Yes.
6:03>> Okay. If you understand, please sign
6:05here, date, and time.
6:06>> Yes.
6:10No.
6:11Do you have a cigarette lighter?
6:12Right here.
6:13>> Speak
6:15>> Right here. Thank
6:26>> Okay. The date is 10/29
6:312022
6:34and the time right now
6:40What did the day go? 7:15 p.m.
6:49>> Um
6:50Someone left their cigarette lighter.
6:53No wonder I'm so
6:54feeling so greasy right now.
6:56>> Did you ask anyone for a cigarette?
6:58>> I didn't ask anybody, but
7:00>> Some of the cops sometimes have some.
7:04>> Well, all these smells are my room and
7:06that's yeah, greasy.
7:07>> How old are you?
7:08>> 19
7:09>> 19
7:13>> I'll be 20 in March. I don't know.
7:16>> Oh, yeah. When's your birthday?
7:18>> I think that's what you do.
7:22>> Okay. It's cool. Let's start with some
7:24of the basic information, okay?
7:26Spell out your name for me. What's your
7:27first name?
7:28>> Kierra
7:29>> Can you spell it for me? K
7:30>> I
7:31A R
7:33A
7:34>> Okay. Your last name?
7:35>> McCulley
7:36>> Spell it, please.
7:37>> M C C
7:39U L L
7:41E Y
7:43>> Your date of birth again? I know you
7:45just told me, but I just
7:51What's a good phone number for me?
7:54>> Um, can I even figure out what my phone
7:56is?
7:58I lost it right right now.
8:00People shouldn't have
8:01>> Good night.
8:02>> Got very confused.
8:08My number is
8:14And if you can't get a hold of me, my
8:16mother's number also works.
8:19>> Okay.
8:20>> Do you have that already?
8:21>> No, but uh
8:23Hopefully someone else got it, but what
8:24you told me I already have.
8:27What is it?
8:29What's your mother's number?
8:42Well,
8:44do you have any idea why you're here
8:45today?
8:47>> I have
8:50I believe it's cuz somebody was found
8:51dead in my room.
8:53>> Where's your room at?
8:54>> The garage.
8:55>> The garage?
8:57>> I was trying to make sure this wasn't a
8:59freaking dream, you know?
9:01This is so weird.
9:05>> Um
9:07you believe someone was found dead in
9:09your room? Do you have any idea who that
9:11might be?
9:12>> Well,
9:14so I'm really tired, but
9:17uh last night
9:19I took a deep breath. My ex-girlfriend,
9:22Grace is her name. She's now is going by
9:24Young Bull. I don't know anymore.
9:27She's gone through so many name changes,
9:29it's confusing me. I also impressed
9:31Grace or Rose.
9:35I was really upset, so I just went on a
9:37walk instead I lost the night in the
9:39house.
9:41Three.
9:44Just trying to sleep.
9:54You were talking memories from we did.
9:56Damn it.
9:57Sorry.
9:58>> Who are you talking to?
10:00>> Um
10:03My best guess is that I have DID. I'm
10:05not 100%certain.
10:06>> What's the ID?
10:08>> Dissociative Identity Disorder.
10:11Um I haven't had it actually diagnosed,
10:12but that's my best guess from my
10:14research.
10:16Um there different personalities that
10:18come out.
10:19>> Do you have names for them?
10:20>> Some of them, yeah.
10:21>> What are their names?
10:22>> Um there's Abby
10:24and
10:26um then there's
10:28we call her Jinx because she hates
10:30people saying her real name.
10:31>> Jinx?
10:32>> Yeah.
10:34You say her real name she's
10:36mad.
10:37>> So
10:40>> And there's
10:42one personality that
10:46I haven't seen in a long time. Like I
10:48haven't communicated with her.
10:50Which what's what
10:53What?
10:55Her name was Jess.
10:56>> Jess?
10:58>> Jessica.
10:59We always call her Jess.
11:03>> Any other personalities?
11:07>> There's the little version of me
11:09which actually responds to my biological
11:11name.
11:13My government name.
11:16Which is very dangerous for her. I don't
11:18I don't want her
11:20to get hurt.
11:21That looks cool.
11:23>> She She responds to Kiera?
11:25>> Yeah.
11:28>> That's the little version of you?
11:29>> Yeah.
11:30>> What do you mean by that, little
11:31version?
11:32>> It's
11:34>> like a little kid me
11:37before
11:38that [ __ ] started happening to me.
11:41>> What kind of bad stuff happened in your
11:43life?
11:44>> Um well,
11:45I had that relationship with my mom.
11:50Which is why I never wanted to see
11:51Grace, but I pissed me off by bringing
11:53her to my house.
11:57>> She did something really stupid then.
12:00>> Wanted to see her change and I wanted to
12:01see something happen where she would
12:03admit it, but
12:06Did she ever die?
12:08>> Grace?
12:09>> Yeah.
12:10>> You don't know?
12:11>> I'm not sure [clears throat].
12:13>> What do you think?
12:15>> Well, I'm partially hopeful for her to
12:17be dead, but I'm also like confused.
12:20Like it was I'm like
12:22>> Why would you hope that she's dead?
12:24>> Uh just like angry at her, but I also
12:26want to have hope that she could be
12:27better, but
12:29like this frustrating emotion that I
12:30can't seem to pinpoint.
12:34>> Well, tell me why you're angry at her.
12:38>> When
12:41I need to keep my [ __ ] together because
12:43I
12:44get very upset.
12:45>> Yeah.
12:45>> Very angry.
12:49Back in 2016, there was a video
12:52floating around of
12:56a
12:5714-year-old girl getting hurt
13:00and another girl
13:03standing there collecting money from
13:05them.
13:06There were There were 16 or 17 kids
13:08involved.
13:09>> What?
13:12>> The girl getting money was Grace.
13:16The other one was me.
13:19>> Sorry.
13:20Sounds like
13:21a difficult memory.
13:24>> It's a burden so I never got to
13:26>> Yeah.
13:28That's right.
13:29Hey.
13:30>> you for sharing that. I know that's
13:31probably
13:32something difficult to share, especially
13:34with a stranger.
13:35>> Yeah.
13:35>> Okay. So, now I have a little bit of
13:37background.
13:38>> Why I'm here.
13:39>> Okay. That makes sense.
13:41Okay.
13:43>> She kept trying to push it in.
13:47I finally started getting those memories
13:48back from that situation and
13:52found out that somebody, you know,
13:54like certain who it was
13:55put me
14:02>> It's okay. Did you get that in?
14:04>> What?
14:05>> It's okay.
14:09>> It was a car crash and that's the reason
14:11why I'm still here.
14:12I was like playing with this. It's like
14:14I calmed myself down.
14:16>> Yeah. And it wouldn't not stay down.
14:20>> Yeah.
14:22She was the first person I ever loved.
14:25>> Grace was?
14:26>> Yeah. And the first person to completely
14:29destroy me.
14:33Part of me hates her guts.
14:36But was the spirit.
14:38The other part wants to see her get
14:40better.
14:41And see she didn't hit it.
14:44Just fix it.
14:47It's like I'm split.
14:50I don't know
14:52what's the better emotion. Fighting
14:53between them is really challenging.
14:56True.
14:57That's why I didn't want her in my home.
14:58It's just like this is too much.
15:00>> Yeah. What was she doing?
15:03How long did you guys date for?
15:05>> This
15:07I don't remember how long it was.
15:10>> Years? Months?
15:12>> Probably months.
15:13>> Months? Less than a year?
15:15>> I think so.
15:17>> How long it was this? What year did you
15:19guys date?
15:20>> It was 2013-2016ish.
15:242016 was when the video was walking
15:26around.
15:26>> Have you kept in contact with her since
15:28then?
15:29>> I've contacted her once in a while just
15:31to like check on her.
15:32>> Sure.
15:32>> Usually she tells me to leave me alone
15:34and I just disappear.
15:38Last night it really frustrated me cuz
15:41about a week ago I messaged her. She
15:43told me to leave me told me to leave her
15:44alone and I did.
15:46Isaac
15:47decided to invite her to stay with us.
15:51>> Why would she do that?
15:52>> Cuz
15:53she suddenly homeless. She suddenly
15:56needed somebody. He's done this with so
15:58many people.
16:02He frustrates.
16:04>> Tell me about Isaac.
16:07>> He's an idiot.
16:08>> Yeah.
16:10Who is Isaac?
16:13>> He's
16:15my ex-fiancee/friend confusing as hell.
16:20>> Ex-ex-fiancee?
16:22>> Yeah.
16:23>> What's up?
16:24>> We were engaged for 3 years.
16:27And we broke up in April of this year
16:29again.
16:31It was
16:33Yes, he was a [ __ ] idiot.
16:36And I broke his ass and let him back in.
16:44Yeah, I break his things and he breaks
16:46my things.
16:49Did I just kick you?
16:50>> I didn't.
16:55So, where do you live then?
16:56>> I live in the garage with Isaac.
17:00At my mom's house.
17:01>> What's the address to your mom's house?
17:06So, from what I understand and tell me
17:08if this is accurate, there is a primary
17:11residence.
17:15There's a bit of a backyard.
17:17and then there's a garage. Oops.
17:19So,
17:21you and Isaac lived in that garage?
17:23>> Yes.
17:24>> Kirk currently, as of last night, you
17:27guys lived in that garage?
17:29>> Yes.
17:30I just hope my cats are okay.
17:32>> But but he's your ex, but you guys lived
17:34together in that garage.
17:35>> Yeah.
17:36Trying to stay friends with him, but
17:37it's like he's still acting like we're
17:39together and
17:40>> Yeah.
17:42>> He felt bad because I've been homeless
17:44for like 2 weeks.
17:49I just felt bad for people.
17:51>> You guys don't have sex with each other?
17:53>> Yeah.
17:53>> Yeah.
17:56But what's getting confusing is that
17:58that's your ex, but you guys are still
18:00being intimate.
18:01>> Yeah.
18:01>> Yeah.
18:03>> He wants to fix everything and
18:06It's just gotten so complicated.
18:09Relationship problems.
18:10>> Yeah.
18:12Yeah, everyone has those.
18:15Who else lives there?
18:17>> It's just me, Isaac, and my mom.
18:20>> What's your mom's name?
18:22>> Lanie McCully.
18:23>> Does she live in the garage or does she
18:25live in the main structure?
18:27>> The main house.
18:27>> Okay.
18:32Tell me about last night. What did you
18:33last night?
18:36>> Oh.
18:40>> So,
18:41>> a little more detail than prior.
18:43>> Yeah.
18:45>> So, Isaac told me that
18:47Grace is coming over.
18:49>> Okay.
18:50>> Without asking me if it's okay. Said,
18:53"Okay if she comes over."
18:55She's like, "She's coming over."
18:58>> Yeah.
18:58It's your house, your mom's house. Yeah.
19:01>> Yeah.
19:02The garage is supposed to be my space.
19:05I need you like Amy Gray.
19:07I can go in the house, get dressed,
19:09go on a walk.
19:13>> Where did you walk to?
19:14>> The park across the way.
19:16>> Okay.
19:16>> Well, I guess nobody could see it.
19:19>> Wow [snorts]. What was you dressed in?
19:20What were you wearing?
19:22>> I was um
19:23black
19:25um maybe a blue piece.
19:27>> Well, it's a black piece.
19:28>> Black pants.
19:30>> Sounds cool. Sounds interesting.
19:34Okay. So, you go to the park and then
19:36what?
19:37>> Just kind of sat there listening to some
19:39music.
19:40And had some cigarettes.
19:42Trying to calm myself down. Just like
19:48I think he told me to come back. Just
19:50going to be an hour. Don't worry.
19:51>> Mhm.
19:52>> [ __ ]
19:57Go back.
19:58They start talking about phones and
20:00marble and stuff that I don't really
20:02understand as much.
20:03>> Mhm.
20:04>> They have nothing to
20:07having a conversation.
20:08>> Sure.
20:09>> I was left alone with her for like half
20:11an hour.
20:13And she was going through like this
20:16breakup thing.
20:18She's There's always something wrong.
20:20You know what I mean?
20:21Always just something.
20:23>> Who was that you were alone with her?
20:25The girl that time.
20:27>> I was
20:28trying to be a good friend. Just
20:33She warned me.
20:35>> So, around what time would you say she
20:37came up around?
20:38>> It was
20:40midnightish.
20:43I could check my text messages, but I
20:45don't have my phone.
20:46>> Yeah, that would get you.
20:47>> Like
20:50>> So, you guys were alone for half an hour
20:51and then and then what happened?
20:54>> And then
20:55I just came back.
20:59Started feeling frustrated cuz she
21:00wasn't listening to me at all.
21:02>> Mhm.
21:04>> So, I got up and I left for a while.
21:08>> You all right?
21:11>> What's your cut from?
21:13>> Dropped a knife
21:15last night.
21:16Which was
21:17I was chopping lunch in it.
21:19>> That's a tough uh it's a tough spot to
21:21get a cut at. Yeah. Just give it a
21:23little look.
21:25>> Checked on her last about to go in. Left
21:27her in the house for a little bit. We
21:28said
21:29to try and make something. Dropped the
21:31stupid knife and grabbed it wrong.
21:35Got mad and I just
21:37walked out of the house for a few
21:38minutes.
21:38>> Mhm.
21:43>> And went back, cleaned it out.
21:46And cleaned it this morning after we
21:47showered.
21:51>> So, did Grace sleep in the bed?
21:54>> Fortunately, yes.
21:56>> Fortunately or unfortunately?
21:57>> Unfortunately.
21:57>> Unfortunately.
21:58>> I started to get really frustrated. I
21:59couldn't fall asleep.
22:01>> So, she stayed in the garage.
22:02>> Yeah.
22:03>> And you slept in the garage. And so did
22:05Isaac.
22:06>> While she and Isaac were sleeping, I was
22:08just staring at the ceiling and trying
22:10to find a comfortable spot where I could
22:11actually fall asleep.
22:13>> Yeah.
22:14How were these sleeping arrangements?
22:15Like who slept where or what?
22:17>> It was like here's Grace taking up like
22:1950%of the bed.
22:21Me on the edge. Isaac on the edge here.
22:27>> Okay.
22:27>> Not good.
22:28>> So, you didn't get sleep last night?
22:30>> No.
22:30>> Okay.
22:31>> I also didn't get sleep yesterday.
22:32>> Okay.
22:34Okay.
22:37Then
22:38what did it else happen throughout the
22:39day?
22:42>> I stared at the same ceiling really and
22:45just slept.
22:48Trying to calm down.
22:51So.
22:56She wouldn't go for me for so long.
22:59>> For Grace?
23:00>> Yeah.
23:01Isaac's walking over me.
23:04It's so weird.
23:09>> What did the morning look like?
23:14>> It's like
23:18I woke up I woke up but I sat up around
23:229:00 or 10:00.
23:24Woke Isaac up and kicked
23:28Woke up Isaac.
23:30And her alarms kept going off really
23:32annoyingly.
23:33>> Grace's is it?
23:34>> Yeah.
23:35She just would not turn them off.
23:37Cats are brown.
23:39She has two cats of her own. Ow.
23:41>> So she brought them to Grace's, too?
23:43>> Yeah. She kept them in a bag all night.
23:45Just
23:47not nice.
23:53I think I remember this. Went to go take
23:55a shower.
23:57>> You remember
23:57>> There's a little chunk missing. I don't
23:59understand.
24:08>> So you have a whole chunk of memory
24:09missing?
24:10>> Yeah.
24:11>> Did you remember the whole night
24:12clearly?
24:13>> I can't remember most of this. Like a
24:16little foggy but
24:17obviously exhausted.
24:20And there's this chunk just missing. It
24:22just
24:25I'm so confused.
24:29>> Tell me about the personalities.
24:31What's that one like?
24:32>> She's very protective.
24:34The other one is Froggy.
24:37Mostly I hear her.
24:40>> The little Kiara?
24:42Okay.
24:43>> I brought my leg.
24:44That's everyone's
24:45Froggy.
24:47>> Froggy?
24:47>> Yeah.
24:48>> Like a F R
24:50G G Y Froggy?
24:51>> I eat technically.
24:53>> Like Froggy?
24:54>> There's three cheeses. That's also my
24:56stage name.
24:57>> How do you
24:58spell that one?
24:59>> F
25:00>> R
25:01>> O
25:01>> G G G
25:03I E
25:05>> That's interesting.
25:07Froggy.
25:09>> Yep.
25:10>> Froggy and BG suggest
25:12Jessica and then Blue Chiara.
25:15>> Yeah,
25:15but
25:17Abby's very protective.
25:19>> Mhm.
25:20>> She
25:21takes control when I'm in a very
25:23dangerous situation and just says,
25:25"Okay, I'm here now.
25:28I'm going to fix this, don't worry."
25:29>> Mhm.
25:31>> So, that's me and Kiara.
25:35Jinx is the troublemaker.
25:39Doesn't like people.
25:40>> Mhm.
25:41More of an initiator.
25:43>> Yeah.
25:44She's playing games.
25:46Like
25:49sometimes when I'm
25:50like I can see what she's doing. It's
25:52very confusing.
25:53>> Mhm.
25:54>> She's like testing people, just messing
25:56with their heads, but she's like,
25:57[ __ ]
25:58>> Mhm.
26:00>> Jeff is like, "I haven't seen this
26:02[ __ ] forever."
26:03>> So, how does it work? Can you kind of
26:05Are you kind of
26:07Is Froggy kind of at the top of all
26:08that? She kind of see who's who's doing
26:11what or
26:12>> Pretty much. It's like
26:13Froggy's in charge most of the time.
26:15>> Mhm.
26:16>> Previous Previous name which was Sage
26:18for a long time, but
26:22But like I'm here.
26:25And
26:26it's like
26:27she had plans. [laughter]
26:28>> Mhm.
26:29>> So, imagine
26:31you're in a house
26:34and there's a big TV with a PS4 or Xbox
26:38or whatever, whatever your prefer-
26:40preferences.
26:41And there's a whole group of people who
26:43are wandering throughout the house and
26:45all wanted to play the game.
26:46>> I see.
26:47>> So, whoever's playing the game is in
26:50charge and sometimes I can peek over and
26:53kind of see what's going on.
26:54>> Yeah, but everyone can kind of watch the
26:56game but only one person can play.
26:58>> Yeah,
26:59and then sometimes
27:02this personality decides, "Oh, I'm going
27:04to go to this room that can't see the
27:07TV."
27:09Or gets brutally shoved in there.
27:12Sometimes it feels like it's getting
27:13shoved.
27:14>> Yeah.
27:19>> If you get randomly locked in there or
27:21something, you don't know what the
27:22hell's going on.
27:25>> It's good.
27:26>> And then they're playing the game, you
27:27don't know what the hell's going on.
27:28>> Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. That's a
27:30really good
27:31analogy you gave there. It really helps
27:33me understand it.
27:34>> And like each
27:36Let's see, um,
27:38round or each memory kind of gets stored
27:41away.
27:42>> Mhm.
27:43>> And whoever was playing gets told that
27:44like, "I don't want anyone to see Is it
27:47my
27:47>> Yeah, so they played it.
27:49>> Yeah.
27:49>> Yeah, okay.
27:50>> But if they feel
27:52"Okay, you need to know this happened."
27:55>> They'll share it.
27:56>> Yeah, they'll share it.
27:58>> So who Who was playing the game last
28:00night?
28:01>> Violet. I felt like
28:05I was in control for a little while and
28:06then it just kept getting really foggy
28:08like I was being drawn into the intro.
28:12God damn birds.
28:13>> You're in control of Project, right?
28:15>> Yes.
28:16>> That's who I'm talking to now, Project.
28:17Okay.
28:20Okay.
28:22>> It's like I got
28:24like shoved into
28:29a room.
28:30>> At what point?
28:31>> Just like
28:34It was
28:35just before I was to take a shower.
28:38>> That was today?
28:39>> Yeah.
28:40>> What time did you take a shower?
28:42>> It was
28:45What is it, like 4:00?
28:46>> 4:00 in the morning?
28:48>> I think
28:50>> More people awake.
28:52>> Yeah.
28:54>> But before that
28:56Do you remember everything?
28:58>> I know I felt just like felt a lot of
29:01pain for
29:03More so than
29:04>> Feels worse.
29:05>> Jane has ever had.
29:07Okay, I had it at Grace house.
29:09And I don't remember just being like
29:11that. But she was also the one who was
29:15when she was at Grace.
29:19>> You said something interesting earlier.
29:21You said um he asked about Grace. He
29:23asked if she was okay. You said that
29:26part of you would be okay if she was
29:29dead, right?
29:30>> Yeah.
29:32>> Honest.
29:33I like honest people.
29:35>> I don't want to lie.
29:36>> Yeah.
29:38Um
29:39Have you ever thought about hurting her
29:41or killing her?
29:42>> I had a couple dreams like that.
29:43>> You had a couple dreams like that?
29:45>> Yeah.
29:46>> How did those dreams go?
29:48>> Um
29:52They were mostly right after
29:54>> Right after that.
29:56>> Like were triggers and stuff.
29:58>> Did you kill her in those dreams? What
29:59happened in those dreams?
30:01>> Sometimes I would kill her, sometimes I
30:02would torture her, sometimes it was just
30:06me screaming at her.
30:07>> How would you torture her in your
30:08dreams?
30:10>> Basically reenacting what she did to me
30:12to herself.
30:13>> Okay. So you would want to
30:16take it out on her because she's the
30:17one.
30:18>> Yeah.
30:18>> I see.
30:19>> It was her.
30:20>> I see.
30:21And how would you kill her?
30:24>> Um
30:24>> In your dreams?
30:26>> Depending on the dream.
30:28>> So it's several dreams?
30:29>> Yes.
30:30>> How many?
30:30>> It's probably like a bunch of murder
30:33dreams, if you could call it
30:35but a lot of different people.
30:39>> Not just Grace?
30:41>> Yeah. Grace is like the tougher one I
30:44pissed at you.
30:46Grace is like like sassy.
30:49Okay, I'm going to not talk about that
30:52cuz that's going to
30:54>> Let's focus on Grace. Yeah, I don't want
30:56to make you upset.
30:57>> It's just going to start a whole tangent
30:59and I'm going to get like slightly
31:00angry.
31:01>> That's fine.
31:03So, you thought about killing Grace a
31:04number of times.
31:05>> Yeah.
31:07I have dreams about it all the time. I'm
31:09like,"I wonder what this would look like
31:11in my brain?"
31:12>> Using weapons or what are you thinking?
31:14>> Uh my favorite torture device is a dildo
31:18>> What?
31:20What kind of sex toys?
31:21>> Usually a dildo and then
31:23razor blades on it.
31:25And then lime juice.
31:28>> So, that's painful. That's what I'm
31:29thinking.
31:30>> That's what I'm thinking. That's awful.
31:33>> Grace's white dildo with lime juice.
31:36That sounds painful.
31:37>> Yes.
31:38The whole book torture.
31:40>> That true?
31:41True.
31:44True.
31:45Um
31:47Have you ever talked with
31:49Isaac about this?
31:51>> Yeah. He I you know, for starters, he
31:53has DID.
31:54>> Okay.
31:55>> I was doing research and I was doing
31:56this as my guess about what's going on
31:58with me.
31:58>> Okay.
31:59>> He thinks I have DID.
32:02Which is like
32:04borderline person-personality disorder.
32:07Cuz we're very similar and but there's
32:08>> Is Isaac diagnosed?
32:10>> Yes.
32:11>> Okay.
32:13>> As As far as he told me, he said he's
32:14diagnosed but that's just a lie.
32:16>> What?
32:17>> I'm starting to question him.
32:19Like a lot.
32:21>> What does DID mean again? I'm sorry.
32:23>> Dissociative identity
32:25>> Dissociative identity disorder.
32:30>> Yeah.
32:31Previously
32:34What was that word?
32:35Previously known as multiple personality
32:37disorder.
32:38>> Multiple personality.
32:39>> That's what I was thinking of.
32:40>> Yeah, that's what they call it now.
32:52>> I'm only guessing cuz I'm not actually
32:54diagnosed, but it's just what I've
32:56noticed.
32:57>> Do you know if Isaac takes takes any uh
32:59medication?
32:59>> Uh
33:00I don't think he does.
33:01>> No, he doesn't.
33:06And like I was asking, like we got
33:08sidetracked, but have you ever talked to
33:10Isaac about
33:11kind of your feelings towards Grace and
33:13you wanting her dreaming about killing
33:15her and stuff?
33:16>> I've talked to him about my dreams a
33:17couple of times.
33:22He always has this hope that she'll be
33:25better than she was.
33:27He was the one who found the video in
33:29the first place.
33:31He found me and he tried to help me.
33:35I don't trust
33:38I don't want to trust.
33:41>> Yeah.
33:44>> Lay down.
33:46>> Away from
33:47Aside from dreams, have you ever planned
33:51to hurt Grace or children?
33:52>> Not really planned it, more like
33:55wrote a short story about it.
33:58But then I also changed all the names
33:59and genders and stuff, so.
34:01>> Did you write it like on on paper or
34:02typed it or
34:03>> It was um
34:05on
34:07Google Docs.
34:08>> Google what?
34:09>> Google Docs.
34:10>> Oh, Google Docs. I see.
34:12>> Yeah.
34:12>> On the computer or on your phone or
34:14what?
34:15>> Uh
34:15I think it was more on my computer when
34:17I originally wrote it.
34:20I like writing.
34:21It helps me like get out those feelings.
34:25>> What was the story about?
34:26>> Um it was about this older brother who
34:30was trying to protect his
34:33little brother
34:34from that file
34:36that then turned into my sweater.
34:40It's literally called I hate guns cuz he
34:42never uses guns.
34:45No, I actually really don't like guns
34:47that much.
34:49Not when one is shot next to your head.
34:53[snorts]
34:54Okay.
34:56>> Were you
34:57Were you talking to Isaac last night?
34:58Were you guys messaging each other?
35:01>> I was trying to tell him to get her to
35:02leave.
35:06>> Did you say anything else?
35:10>> I just wanted her gone.
35:14>> So, I was talking to Isaac for a long
35:15time earlier before you got up.
35:18We're both on his phone.
35:19He has his phone.
35:21There was a lot of messages between you
35:22two.
35:25>> Yeah.
35:26>> What were all of them about?
35:28You know what I'm talking about, right?
35:29>> Yeah.
35:32It's like it was kind of
35:33long area that I can open.
35:35>> Yeah.
35:38>> It's my fault. I lied.
35:40So, there's an organization that Isaac
35:44is in charge of.
35:45I probably shouldn't be saying this to a
35:47cop.
35:49>> That's what I'm asking about. I'm just
35:50trying to understand it more now.
35:52>> Well, that It's called Ghost.
35:55They're
35:56like an underground version of cops in a
35:58way,
35:59but a little more intense than that.
36:04And
36:05they get rid of people who are
36:08to and
36:10were in charge
36:11in charge of sex trafficking, in charge
36:13of
36:15anything that has to deal with hurting
36:17kids.
36:17>> Nice.
36:19>> And
36:22like
36:24he kept trying to tell me just do it and
36:26you're going to
36:27just
36:28just get her.
36:30Then you'll get ranked up.
36:32>> Yes.
36:32>> He had me join.
36:34And I'm like, I don't know what the
36:36[ __ ] going on and I kept hesitating.
36:38It's like
36:39>> It's a big deal.
36:41>> It's a
36:42mark proof
36:44of
36:46I think they're confused because he has
36:48a cold. He's Jeff [ __ ] Jeff gave this
36:50to me. He's like, Now you're a part of
36:52it. I'm like, okay.
36:54>> Sounds like an initiation tattoo, kind
36:56of.
36:56>> Yeah.
36:57>> How do you How do you do that? How do
36:58you make it?
37:00>> Oh, I have a tattoo machine.
37:01>> Oh, got you.
37:02>> It's in the closet. I did all these.
37:03>> I was going to ask. Yeah, you got some
37:05work there.
37:06>> Yeah, I also have one on my leg. Here.
37:09>> Are you like aspiring to to learn? What
37:12you said that's what it
37:13>> That's what I
37:15just been wanting to cover this up, but
37:16I can't find an artist that's cheap.
37:19>> I like tattoos.
37:20So,
37:21nine.
37:23Let me see the one that I'm the one that
37:25No, no, this one. Here.
37:28You were telling me about.
37:29>> Yeah.
37:29>> What is it exactly?
37:30>> It's for the platoon I'm in that I don't
37:34understand.
37:35>> Mhm.
37:36>> Like
37:36>> What kind of shape is it?
37:38>> Sure.
37:40It's like a mix of a diamond or
37:42something.
37:43My skin is reacting really weird to the
37:45chemicals.
37:45>> So,
37:47so ghost kind of an underground society
37:50of people that
37:52kind of their own version of cops and
37:54justice. They kind of kill bad people.
37:57And
37:59so,
38:01and this is kind of me trying to piece
38:02together kind of like what you're
38:03saying, like the messages I saw to you
38:06was Isaac trying to push you to kill
38:08Bryce?
38:10>> Yeah.
38:12And I mean, I had my dad grab my hand
38:15and
38:16and I could like
38:17and then just stopped. Like I felt a
38:19little kid's hand holding back.
38:22Like it was Kiara telling me, don't
38:24don't. don't don't
38:26Cuz that was also her best friend's
38:28sister.
38:29>> Yeah.
38:31>> And
38:38I don't think she was so messy.
38:44And you guys talked.
38:48>> Do you get to tell her race?
38:51>> Not sure.
38:53>> She's dead.
38:55Does the dead person count to rush?
38:59She have any memory of
39:05>> She had to get up to sleep at club.
39:17I got frustrated for a little bit. Let's
39:18look at you.
39:25It look
39:28Look, I think it disappeared for a
39:29while.
39:31I don't
39:34Like after I took my shower, I couldn't
39:36find him.
39:38I just assumed he went on a walk.
39:43I'm going to get changed.
39:49I like
39:50trying to think.
39:57>> Do you remember when the police arrived
39:58at the building?
40:00>> I just remember her going like crazy.
40:04>> Okay.
40:05>> Don't laugh.
40:06It's like I'm not used to cops just
40:09showing up at my house.
40:10>> They told me you ran inside. How could
40:12you run inside?
40:15>> Um
40:17I'm pretty sure certain that I was
40:20going to grab something off it.
40:25It's pretty
40:25>> You saw a cop and then you ran. That's
40:27why you get so dizzy you forgot.
40:29>> No, I thought I heard something but I
40:31didn't know it was from my house. From
40:33my house.
40:37>> When was the last time you saw Grace
40:38alive?
40:40>> Um
40:44It was like this morning.
40:49>> Do you remember what time at all?
40:51>> I'm not sure exactly what time it was.
40:55>> Do you think it's possible you killed
40:56her?
40:58>> I'm guessing myself right now. I don't
41:00think I can guess until I try to figure
41:01it out.
41:02If it was
41:04one of them
41:06That's all I have to say about it.
41:08>> Is there any way to ask them?
41:11>> They might kick you out when they talk.
41:13>> I see.
41:14>> It was like, come on.
41:16It took
41:18It took Justin and Abby
41:21but
41:23it was 4 years to tell me what the [ __ ]
41:26happened.
41:26>> Mhm.
41:28From the
41:29the audience and then
41:31>> Mhm.
41:32That's what he was trying to show for
41:32the yes. If that's too loud, I'm very
41:35comfortable.
41:38>> Do you think it's possible Isaac did
41:40something?
41:42>> It's possible.
41:47Yeah, that makes more sense. Look, if he
41:48did something,
41:50I'd slightly have to partially because
41:52he hasn't stood up for me in a long time
41:54and
41:58since Tommy hasn't stood up for me in a
42:00long time, so
42:03I don't know.
42:07>> Damn.
42:12Was there anyone else in the garage you
42:13guys last saw or this morning?
42:15>> It was just the three of us.
42:17>> Just three of you guys?
42:19>> I think I lied to my mom and told her
42:20that Christian, one of my friends, was
42:22there.
42:23>> Mhm.
42:24>> He was there.
42:27>> He?
42:28>> So, I'm talking to him.
42:30>> Yeah.
42:39>> He said he was
42:40>> No.
42:43Do you think he'll remember more what
42:44happened as time goes on or
42:48>> Hopefully.
42:48>> Probably.
42:50>> Just think I
42:51get the memories back if I get my
42:52feeling that I'm safe, then it's gone
42:55until I'm in a safe place.
42:57>> Mhm. Right.
43:00>> So, I'm getting like weird images in my
43:02dream while I was sleeping earlier. I'm
43:03like,
43:05what the [ __ ]
43:10>> So, you're telling me
43:13that Grace is kind of at the top of your
43:15list of
43:17people you wanted
43:18to find out killed your friend.
43:21>> Yeah. I'm not excited. I know.
43:24>> Well,
43:25yeah, it's it's not
43:26>> Yeah, it's not ideal, but
43:28>> It's not ideal.
43:29>> It's not ideal at all. In fact,
43:31>> It is not ideal. And it's it's
43:33interesting that you have that that kind
43:35of wisdom.
43:36Cuz most people come in here
43:38>> trying to lie their way out of it.
43:40>> Yeah, and it's um it's very irritating.
43:43Uh Isaac tried to do a lot of that. And
43:47you know, we this is our profession.
43:49Especially with those messages and
43:51stuff, it's it's very
43:54it's very transparent. Someone's lying.
43:57You know what I mean?
43:57>> You know what she like tried to lie
43:59about?
44:01So, I'm trying to figure out what he's
44:02lying to me.
44:04>> No.
44:07>> Something about the black market ghost
44:10and Bitcoin.
44:12The end of the world in 24 days.
44:21>> Has Isaac ever killed anyone?
44:23>> Well, he said he did, but I don't know
44:25if it's true.
44:26>> Who did he say he killed?
44:27>> I don't know who or what, but there was
44:29a number he said, but I don't know if
44:31it's true or if it was
44:33stupid teenagers who are always saying
44:34things. Oh, I killed this guy. Oh, I
44:36killed this guy. Oh, that's so cool.
44:38Grace is a bad liar.
44:40>> There was a number he said, like a
44:41number of people he killed. Yeah. How
44:43many?
44:43>> Like
44:4440 people.
44:45>> Supposedly.
44:47>> It's big club.
44:49Is Isaac in it?
44:50>> I think so. All over.
44:52Probably partially Roswell. He was in a
44:54gang. Or is. But he no longer lives in
44:56Roswell.
44:58It's what he's like.
44:59>> What gang was he in?
45:01>> I don't know the name of it.
45:04It was like
45:07something with Roswell in the name of
45:08it.
45:10>> So, how many other people aside from
45:13Grace have you thought about killing or
45:16on your list?
45:17>> Um well, there's Austin.
45:22But I said no because he's living in a
45:24dump, so that makes him happy.
45:26>> Who else?
45:27>> Um Sky Brady.
45:32[sighs]
45:33I probably didn't want to be friends
45:34with him anyway.
45:35>> Oh, he said three words.
45:36>> He pissed me off so bad.
45:38He said three words I never wanted to
45:39hear from him.
45:40He said I would hate him forever. Oh.
45:45>> Yeah.
45:48Who else?
45:50>> Um
45:56Who do you
45:57>> I think
46:00>> I have a lot of thoughts.
46:01But on the lower end about people I used
46:04to go to school with.
46:07Those are the main like
46:09[ __ ] sick of that [ __ ]
46:11>> Yeah.
46:11>> Oh, there's one more.
46:13There's Jeffrey Flock. He just He keeps
46:15stalking me. I got to go and prank him
46:18by using Isaac's phone to tell him that
46:20I went missing so he would leave me the
46:21[ __ ] alone.
46:22>> Mhm.
46:24>> Wait.
46:26I'm holding on.
46:27>> Mhm.
46:30So, you said there's a possibility that
46:33you
46:34might have killed Grace.
46:36Also possibility that Isaac might have
46:37done it, right? There's kind of that gap
46:39of time missing in your memory.
46:43Do you ever remember any
46:45blood being on you?
46:47>> Um I remember when I cut myself.
46:50But I don't know what you want to know.
46:52>> And how did you cut yourself then?
46:54>> I tried to catch a knife.
46:57In the kitchen? Yes.
46:59>> Okay.
47:00>> I dropped it and I tried to catch it. It
47:02was um
47:04How how the [ __ ] do I describe that
47:06knife?
47:08It was
47:10Can I show you?
47:14>> Cooking knife?
47:16>> Well, it is a cooking knife, yeah.
47:17>> It is just
47:18Isaac wasn't Isaac was telling me about
47:20a few knives. He was telling me about a
47:22dagger. Um
47:25butterfly knife.
47:26>> Yeah, my butter One of my butterfly
47:28knives got stolen so I got a new one.
47:31>> And then he's talking about a sword.
47:33Remember anything having to do with any
47:35of those?
47:35>> Well, I know I bought a sword not too
47:37long ago.
47:39>> What kind of sword is it?
47:40>> It was like it's a two-handed sword. I
47:43don't really know what it was.
47:45I was like yeah, it was perfect for the
47:46apocalypse. Does come
47:48>> There you go.
47:49>> That's the main reason for the buy is
47:50like
47:51I don't know where.
47:52>> Do you remember anything
47:54regarding the sword, uh dagger,
47:57butterfly knife and last night.
47:59>> Um
48:00I remember the dagger.
48:02It's really dull.
48:06But I kept playing with it and then
48:08when I did try
48:10what I think I told me to just do it.
48:13And then I
48:14And then I just
48:16It literally feels like something's
48:17holding me.
48:19Felt like it's something's holding me.
48:21>> So, what you're kind of demonstrating
48:23right now was that you about to stab
48:26Grace?
48:27>> Yeah.
48:29>> Was she asleep?
48:30>> Yeah. I don't know. I think she was.
48:33She looked at stuff.
48:34And just kept stopping me.
48:39>> So, you guys consumed alcohol last night
48:40or drugs or anything?
48:41>> I had a couple sips of a Jack What the
48:45heck was it called? What was it called?
48:47>> Last night?
48:48>> Yeah.
48:49>> What about this morning?
48:50>> Uh not this morning. I just had a couple
48:52last night cuz I was getting like
48:55hot.
48:56Frustrated.
48:57>> What about Isaac? Did he drink last
48:59night?
48:59>> I don't think so.
49:01>> What about Grace?
49:03>> I don't think so. She said something
49:05about just getting her teeth done.
49:11>> No.
49:18You think there's potential you'll ever
49:21try and hurt or kill anyone else that's
49:23on your list?
49:25>> Um if they just stay the [ __ ] away from
49:27me, I sure as hell won't.
49:29>> Yeah.
49:30But if like you were daring with stuff
49:32kind of like a situation like last
49:33night, there's potential for that.
49:35>> if they're invading my space, then it's
49:37a like
49:39I think it's a possibility, but I highly
49:40doubt it for again.
49:41>> Mhm.
49:42>> Cuz Aussie hates me.
49:45And Brady
49:47to the point that I'm just like no, they
49:48can't be living.
49:50Jeff is
49:52some things he does.
49:53>> No.
49:58>> Okay.
49:59Anything else you can think of regarding
50:01last night and what happened? Anything
50:03else you can remember?
50:05>> Um
50:10I'm trying to figure out what this
50:12one vision is. Probably an actual dream
50:15I was having cuz I was like falling
50:17asleep
50:18or it's memory.
50:20>> What was the vision last night?
50:22>> It looked like a ear on my wall.
50:25>> A what?
50:26>> An ear on my wall. It was really
50:27confusing.
50:28>> It was an ear on your wall?
50:29>> Yeah.
50:31I think that was part of the dream as
50:32well.
50:34>> Like a human ear?
50:35>> Yeah. It's like, what the [ __ ]
50:37>> What did it look like?
50:39>> It looked like one of braces but had
50:41like definite indentations. Not that
50:43sharp.
50:44>> Yeah.
50:45>> Like, what the [ __ ]
50:51>> So
50:52>> I'm confused.
50:58>> Well
50:59still that investigation. We're
51:01gathering statements from everyone.
51:03I believe
51:08I
51:09think
51:12you're you've been very honest with me.
51:15I don't
51:16have any I respect the hell out of that.
51:19What I'd like to return that to you.
51:21There's probably a good potential that
51:24both you and I could go to jail tonight.
51:27You understand that?
51:28>> Yes.
51:30I've never been to jail. I've never done
51:33anything.
51:36Yeah, going to jail for murder.
51:38>> Yeah.
51:41>> That was a leap.
51:43From innocent to
51:45>> Yeah.
51:45>> I just don't
51:47>> No criminal history to murder, you know.
51:49>> Yeah.
51:50>> That's a huge weight.
51:51>> I didn't do drugs growing up.
51:53But I raised my
51:55kids for it.
51:56Sorry.
51:57I have some scars on me.
52:00Maybe you can see it from there.
52:01>> Yeah.
52:02Well.
52:04You suspect you have
52:07Well.
52:08DID, multiple personality disorder.
52:11Well, so
52:12>> I guess I'm not 100%sure.
52:15>> I don't know. I'm not I have no training
52:18in, you know, psychology or anything
52:21like that.
52:23Diagnosis you've made for yourself kind
52:25of makes sense, but, you know, maybe
52:28this is kind of an opportunity to to,
52:30you know, start getting help with that
52:31kind of stuff, maybe.
52:32>> Yeah.
52:33I was seeing a therapist for a while.
52:37Um she thought I had CPTSD.
52:40And
52:44It was what?
52:45There's something else I can't remember
52:47now.
52:49I have a hard time with
52:50>> Yes.
52:50>> Something about her personality.
52:52>> Mhm.
52:54>> But
52:56there's suspicion that I have ADHD or
52:59>> Mhm.
53:01>> There's a lot of suspicion.
53:02>> Yeah.
53:03>> Frank Christian thinks I have bipolar.
53:07I don't think that's her.
53:09>> Yeah, research says no. Mhm.
53:12Yeah.
53:14>> Mhm.
53:18You know, a lot of questioning who to
53:19trust in this family. Isaac is like the
53:21only person I don't trust in it. He did
53:23something pretty stupid. Broke his arm
53:26and
53:27Blake has got all [ __ ] up.
53:29>> When did that happen?
53:31>> That was in April.
53:32>> April?
53:33>> It was the 4th.
53:37I was a police report and stuff about
53:40it, but then I just told on
53:42stuff on it.
53:44>> Do you remember threatening Isaac last
53:45night at all?
53:47>> I told him I was mad at him.
53:51>> Did you threaten him with a dagger or
53:53anything like [clears throat] that? Do
53:54you recall anything like that?
53:55>> I don't remember stabbing my bed.
53:57>> Stabbing your bed?
53:58>> It didn't even go through the blanket.
54:00>> How come?
54:01>> Duh.
54:03>> But how could you stab the bed?
54:05>> Cuz I was mad and I wanted to stab
54:06something, but I didn't want to stab
54:07someone.
54:08>> Why were you mad?
54:10>> Because I think he invited somebody I
54:13hate to my house.
54:15And it wasn't just for a talk, as he
54:16said.
54:18Why did he kiss my
54:20I'm sorry.
54:22Parents were
54:23working overnight or two nights and I'm
54:25like, hell no, she ain't staying the
54:27[ __ ] night.
54:32>> So why did Isaac walk Grace there?
54:35>> I have no [ __ ]
54:36idea what he wanted.
54:38But it was [ __ ] her.
54:40>> Which gross.
54:42>> She said gross. She said I have nothing
54:45to do with people she's been with.
54:47>> Did he [ __ ] her or not?
54:48>> I don't think so. No.
54:52I guess he didn't cuz
54:54he said the worst 12 hours of my life.
54:5712 hours of ass.
55:00>> He He didn't say anything about [ __ ]
55:02her.
55:03Did he say threesome or anything like
55:04that?
55:05>> Usually when there's people in my house
55:06that are straight, I'm just like, I'm
55:08not touching her.
55:09>> Yeah.
55:11You guys have met three days before?
55:12>> Yeah. They tried.
55:15Um
55:16He's pulling out his dick and I'm just
55:18kind of heh there
55:20trying to see if I like it.
55:22>> Sure.
55:24>> And it's not worked. Nope.
55:28First time, she did not like girls at
55:31all.
55:32And it took all of my nicknames. Okay,
55:35I'm going to have to be in the bathroom.
55:36>> There, I'm sorry. What happened there?
55:38>> She took all my nicknames and then he
55:40started treating me like [ __ ]
55:42And then
55:45tragedy struck. Then he suddenly cares
55:47for me. Oops.
55:53>> The last one though was interesting.
55:56Yeah.
55:57>> The last girl that we were friends with,
55:59her name was Britney, I think.
56:01She had like five different names that
56:02she went by.
56:03Just confusing.
56:06And
56:08she was fun at first, but
56:10she started trying to get me on cocaine.
56:13I was like,
56:15"Well, I tried it once. Okay.
56:17This was fun, but that's enough.
56:19It's a once-in-a-lifetime thing."
56:21>> Yeah.
56:23>> It was like,"Okay, she's definitely got
56:25an issue and I cannot help her with
56:27that."
56:28He I'm not going to be something like
56:30that person's friend.
56:33So, we were friends for a
56:35>> Yeah.
56:37>> Sometimes I haven't seen one of my
56:38What's the word I'm looking for?
56:40And then I go for it.
56:43>> So again, why do you feel that's her?
56:46You don't know who killed Grace?
56:48>> I'm not 100%certain.
56:50I'm only guessing.
56:53I've seen him get violent before.
56:57But I know how abusive I am at her.
57:01Excuse me.
57:02The Hulk down before.
57:05>> What does that mean to you?
57:07So
57:08>> I don't know, but it seems to It feels
57:10like he's growing.
57:12Personally, I feel like he's gross.
57:17It is
57:18the smash. A little bit further apart
57:20between what I mean.
57:21>> Mhm.
57:22>> And he then I turned into a rag doll and
57:24I'm still mad about it, but at the same
57:26time I'm trying to forgive him.
57:29>> So, the uh the sword you said you
57:31bought, right?
57:31>> Yeah.
57:32>> How long ago did you buy that?
57:33>> So, I got it maybe 2 weeks ago-ish.
57:38>> What about the dagger?
57:39>> The dagger was a couple days before
57:41that.
57:41>> Two small?
57:42>> Yes.
57:43>> Okay. Butterfly knife?
57:45>> The butterfly knife um was
57:49I think a couple days before the dagger.
57:52>> Any other weapons that are inside the
57:54the garage?
57:55>> Um I know I have my karambit somewhere.
57:59There's two sets of karambits. They're
58:00really pretty.
58:01>> Two?
58:02>> But I like it.
58:03>> Are they fixed blade or are they
58:04folders? What are they?
58:05>> Um they're fixed blade.
58:07>> Fixed blade.
58:08How big are they?
58:09>> Um
58:10It's about 8-in ish.
58:12Ish.
58:14It has such a curved blade. It's
58:16Yeah.
58:18I'm not good at cutting anything.
58:19>> Yeah.
58:19>> I tried cutting a piece of fruit with
58:21it. It did not work.
58:23>> Too much curve?
58:27Well,
58:30what we do know um
58:32when the officers went through and kind
58:34of did a security sweep the garage and
58:36everything,
58:37um
58:38I'm told by two of people is
58:41the sword, which I'm assuming is the
58:42sword you described me,
58:44was blunt.
58:49>> You probably pick it up.
58:51>> Yeah.
58:58>> Yeah, it is.
59:00I was already having a hard time picking
59:01it up, so I was like,"Okay, now I'm very
59:03confused."
59:04>> Hard time picking it up? How come?
59:06>> I'm not exactly sure.
59:07>> Oh, it's heavy?
59:08>> Yeah.
59:09>> How much does it weigh?
59:10>> I'm not 100%certain how much it weighs.
59:12I just know my left hand can kind of hit
59:14pick it up, but my right hand can't.
59:16>> Did you pick it up with two?
59:18>> I have to.
59:19>> Mhm.
59:20>> Even then it's all wobbly and
59:22>> Yeah.
59:23>> I was going to
59:24um take a piece of PVC H-PVC
59:27>> pipe
59:28>> I think it is.
59:30And
59:31I found a way at the same weight so I
59:33could practice.
59:35So I could do like some
59:36you know, stick sword fighting.
59:38>> That makes sense.
59:39>> You make a video.
59:42I'm guessing I'm not getting it back.
59:46>> Um
59:48Well, I know.
59:51Rich college kids always get stuff.
59:53>> You want to
59:55>> Camel, where's he getting it from?
59:57>> Camel wanted it.
59:58>> Camel wanted it.
1:00:02[clears throat]
1:00:03>> That's what I think it
1:00:04So I just got scammed.
1:00:05>> Sure.
1:00:07Well,
1:00:09we got to do some paperwork. I want to
1:00:12see you get some rest.
1:00:14Um
1:00:15Is there anything else you can think of
1:00:16that might be important to us?
1:00:18>> Um
1:00:27I think the brace is starting to
1:00:28function.
1:00:29>> Okay. Thank you, though.
1:00:31Let me get one of the officers to
1:00:33move you somewhere else and as soon as
1:00:34we get all the paperwork done,
1:00:36it is what it is. You guys
1:00:39You guys are more likely to be um
1:00:40likely to be booked tonight.
1:00:43You know,
1:00:44all we like to do is really gather all
1:00:46the facts and look at all the
1:00:48all the statements and evidence and we
1:00:50and you have to do something about this
1:00:51stuff, you know.
1:00:54You don't think that's what you're
1:00:55saying. I mean, you you kind of want to
1:00:57get this stuff like that figured out. I
1:00:59mean
1:01:01I don't think anyone
1:01:02intentionally wants to have that that
1:01:05side of them. They really just want to
1:01:06kill people, you
1:01:07>> Well, yeah.
1:01:08>> Maybe some people do. I don't know.
1:01:10>> I got to talk to them.
1:01:11I'm guessing it's just at this point cuz
1:01:14James and Abby are
1:01:15chill at this point.
1:01:17>> You got to talk to some of these girls
1:01:18and figure out who's messing around.
1:01:21All right. I appreciate your time. I
1:01:23appreciate your honesty.
1:01:26It is what it is.
1:01:26>> Yeah.
1:01:28All right.
1:01:30>> Same time tomorrow?
1:01:35>> I love you sweetheart. You're the best.
1:01:45>> Following the interrogation, detectives
1:01:47began examining the evidence recovered
1:01:50from the garage and Isaac Apodaca's
1:01:52phone.
1:01:53What they found revealed that Grace
1:01:55Jennings'murder had been planned
1:01:57[music].
1:01:58Text messages showed that Isaac had
1:02:00spent hours encouraging [music] Kiera
1:02:02McCauley to kill Grace.
1:02:05In one message, he told her to swing and
1:02:08don't regret the aim.
1:02:10Prosecutors later argued that Isaac had
1:02:12used threats and manipulation [music]
1:02:14to push Kiera into carrying out the
1:02:16murder.
1:02:17At trial, Kiera testified that Isaac had
1:02:20convinced her they were part [music] of
1:02:22a secret organization called ghost and
1:02:25that killing Grace would earn her a
1:02:26higher rank.
1:02:28She also claimed he threatened her
1:02:30mother's life when she tried to back
1:02:32out.
1:02:34In February 2025, [music] Kiera pleaded
1:02:37guilty to aggravated second-degree
1:02:39murder and conspiracy to commit
1:02:41first-degree murder.
1:02:43As part of her plea agreement, she
1:02:46testified against Isaac [music] and is
1:02:47now serving a 30-year prison sentence.
1:02:51Isaac's case went to trial in July 2026.
1:02:56After reviewing hundreds of messages
1:02:58[music]
1:02:59and hearing testimony from 16 witnesses,
1:03:02a jury found him guilty of first-degree
1:03:03[music] murder and conspiracy.
1:03:06His conviction carries a mandatory life
1:03:09sentence under New Mexico [music] law.
1:03:12Grace Jennings was just 21 years old
1:03:15when she was killed.
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