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0:03Bicycles carrying children are essential
0:05for families raising kids.
0:09But there is a debate surrounding these
0:10bicycles.
0:19In principle, carrying two people is
0:21prohibited.
0:25However, prefectural public safety
0:27commission rules allow up to two
0:29children of preschool age to ride in
0:31child seats.
0:37>> A topic raised in the Diet is raising
0:38the age limit for children being carried
0:40.
0:44>> There is a regulation stating that
0:45children can only be carried until they
0:47enter elementary school.
0:51Could you explain the basis for why this
0:53is limited to preschool age?
0:58>> Police across the country say they are
1:00receiving requests to allow elementary
1:02school children to ride alongside
1:03preschoolers.
1:08Last month, the Institute for Traffic
1:10Accident Research and Data Analysis,
1:11under the National Police Agency, began
1:14reviewing the age limit.
1:19So, what kind of effect does carrying a
1:21child have on riding a bicycle?
1:26Here is footage from an experiment.
1:30Looking at the start from a stopped
1:32position,
1:36you can see the bicycle on the left,
1:38carrying cargo and a child, is quite
1:40unstable.
1:44Regarding bicycles carrying children,
1:46online comments include:
1:48"
1:48>> It's scary, so please don't force
1:50yourselves to ride in the car lane."
1:53"I want something done about these
1:55bicycles riding on the sidewalk."
1:59>> That said, where should these essential
2:01bicycles for school runs ride?
2:05We consider how to create roads that are
2:07safe for both pedestrians and cyclists,
2:09from the perspective of parents who use
2:11bicycles for school runs.
2:14Today's news is about relaxing the age
2:16limit for carrying children on bicycles
2:18.
2:18What are your thoughts, Shu-san?
2:20>> Yes. I also have two children, and there
2:22are times I carry them both. Mine are
2:24still one and four, so they're small,
2:26but they will likely be in elementary
2:28school soon, so this is a very
2:29concerning news story. But I also drive
2:31a car, and you know, bicycles can't
2:33really use the sidewalks right now,
2:35right?
2:36>> So they come out into the car lane. I
2:38mean, there are designated bicycle lanes
2:39, but they're just blue lines painted on
2:41the road without actually widening the
2:43lane, so when you're there, you really
2:45can't pass them, and you aren't supposed
2:47to pass them, so—
2:48>> It's genuinely dangerous, and it causes
2:50traffic to back up behind them, but—
2:52>> I also understand how the bicycle riders
2:53feel. Since they can't use the sidewalk
2:55either. That's why I wonder, can't they
2:57just go slowly on the sidewalk? Yeah.
2:59Yeah.
2:59>> Yeah.
3:00>> Yeah. Isn't that especially true in
3:01Tokyo right now? It might not be like
3:03that in the countryside. So, I really
3:05think it's dangerous for both sides
3:07right now. Watching them. Yes.
3:09>> Yes. I'd like to take a close look at
3:11this in this segment, including
3:12confirming the rules. Now, let me
3:14introduce the guests for this segment.
3:15We have House of Councillors member
3:17Takeshi Tsukasa from the Komeito party,
3:19who is calling for easing the age
3:20restrictions for carrying two children
3:22on a bicycle. Mr. Tsukasa, thank you for
3:24joining us.
3:25>> Yes, thank you for having me. Since this
3:27is my first time,
3:28>> I'm a bit nervous, but thank you for
3:30having me.
3:30>> Thank you. Likewise.
3:32And next, we have L, a Tokyo resident
3:34who commutes daily by bicycle with her
3:37two daughters, one in lower elementary
3:39school and one in nursery school.
3:42L, thank you for joining us.
3:44>> Thank you for having me.
3:47>> Next, we have Kosuke, who is also a
3:49father of two daughters and says that
3:51while he understands the need to carry
3:53them on a bicycle, he is concerned about
3:55risks like speed. Kosuke, thank you for
3:58joining us.
4:01Yes, thank you for having me today.
4:03Thank you.
4:06>> Now, once again, the current rules state
4:08that you may only carry children on a
4:10bicycle if they are of preschool age.
4:13However, many parents are expressing
4:15confusion, saying they often need to
4:17carry elementary school-aged children
4:18for school drop-offs and pick-ups.
4:21Under these circumstances, Mr. Tsukasa,
4:23you feel that a review to ease the age
4:25limit—in other words, allowing older
4:27children to be carried—is necessary.
4:31Could you start by telling us what the
4:32current situation is?
4:34>> Yes, thank you.
4:36Actually, I am a father of three
4:37children myself, and they are currently
4:39in second and fourth grade of elementary
4:41school...
4:44>> With children in first and sixth grade,
4:46I am personally someone directly
4:48affected by this.
4:53Many families these days are dual-income
4:55and extremely busy, rushing to pick up
4:57their children after work, or for those
4:58with disabilities, rushing to
5:00after-school care centers—that is their
5:02daily life.
5:07>> Thinking about that, when it was
5:08suddenly announced in April that they
5:10would be subject to traffic tickets,
5:13>> people felt they had to fundamentally
5:14change their daily rhythms, which caused
5:16quite a
5:17>> lot of confusion, and I received many
5:19voices of concern.
5:21>> Also, within my party, the Komeito,
5:23through our network of local assembly
5:25members—including the Metropolitan
5:27Assembly—
5:28>> we received many requests, so I entered
5:30into questioning because I wanted to
5:32respond to them somehow.
5:34>> There was one important point about this
5:35, wasn't there?
5:36>> Yes.
5:38>> The suggestion I was given was that the
5:40age limit should be raised, but,
5:44>> personally,
5:46>> raising the age could also come with
5:47certain risks,
5:49>> Right.
5:52>> So rather than just saying "raise it," I
5:54actually had a question about why you
5:56can't carry them once they enter
5:57elementary school.
6:00>> Yes. Right.
6:02There are what are known as SG standards
6:04, which are safety standards for
6:06bicycles,
6:07>> for example, if you carry a child on the
6:08back, it’s said that 24 kilograms
6:10>> Yes.
6:11>> Right. or more is dangerous.
6:14>> And that is linked to the rule that it’s
6:15not allowed once they enter elementary
6:17school.
6:18>> It’s about the weight.
6:19>> It should be decided by weight instead.
6:21It was already linked by weight.
6:22>> Right.
6:25But, I have three children myself, and
6:27when they enter school, they are around
6:2920 kilograms, not 24 kilograms.
6:33>> Right.
6:33>> I see.
6:35>> Taking the national average, about 80 to
6:3790 percent of first graders are under 24
6:40kilograms, so,
6:42>> how about you?
6:44Your child’s weight?
6:45>> I don’t really look at that.
6:47>> I’m still not quite there yet. Still,
6:49right. Yeah.
6:51>> So, the rule simply decided by weight
6:53and the age, these,
6:56>> are not linked, which is the point I
6:58wanted to make.
6:59>> If we align with reality, perhaps we
7:01should move in a direction that
7:03practically relaxes the age limit.
7:05Shouldn't we?
7:06The reason is that there are many
7:08first-graders who have not yet reached
7:1024kg.
7:11>> So, I questioned that, and......
7:13>> in March, I participated in a Diet
7:15session to ask about this, yes. Now,
7:17pardon me, for a review of the rules. To
7:19recap the rules, basically, carrying two
7:21people is prohibited.
7:22>> However, if you are to carry someone, it
7:24is currently limited to preschoolers, or
7:26those under elementary school age.
7:28>> But, if we consider it by weight instead
7:30of age, there is a reality where it
7:31might be possible to go a bit higher.
7:34Also, starting in April, the "blue
7:35ticket" system means it is now subject
7:37to penalty fines for carrying two people
7:40. That is correct.
7:42>> So, for actual users, the exceptions
7:44allowed for which children can be
7:46carried have become quite strict, and
7:48that is the current situation about half
7:50a year later; with that said, I’d like
7:53to ask Ms. L here about the reality from
7:55a user's perspective.
8:00As a mother who uses a bicycle every day
8:02to take her child in lower elementary
8:04school and her daughter in daycare back
8:06and forth, please tell us, Ms. L, about
8:08the reality of needing to use a bicycle
8:10and the difficulty of having to carry
8:12both of them.
8:14>> Ah, yes. That’s right.
8:17If I actually couldn't carry my children
8:19on my bicycle, I think my daily life
8:21would change significantly.
8:24Yeah.
8:29>> I have children in lower elementary
8:30school and preschool, and every morning
8:32I drop them off at their respective
8:34school and daycare; after picking up my
8:36older child from after-school care, I
8:38pick up my younger one from daycare,
8:39then take the older one to lessons, go
8:41home, and head out again to pick them up
8:43—I’m in a situation where I have to move
8:45between many locations in a short time.
8:52If I try to do this on foot, it
8:54obviously takes a considerable amount of
8:56time just for the travel.
8:59>> And using public transportation, the
9:00distances are all awkward, and there
9:02aren't any options that work well in
9:04terms of timing or routes.
9:08>> Plus, in the evening, children tend to
9:09get cranky, especially at preschool age
9:11, so they don't always walk the way you
9:13want them to.
9:17And especially when you're working
9:19full-time, your morning time is really
9:20limited.
9:23>> I don't think it's an exaggeration to
9:25say that bicycles aren't just convenient
9:27for mid-range travel, but have become
9:29essential for balancing work and
9:30parenting.
9:32>> They're indispensable. And carrying two
9:34kids is kind of a requirement. So,
9:36having one child in elementary school
9:38helps ease the burden a little.
9:41I think that's the situation, but on the
9:43other hand, what we must discuss today
9:45is the danger of these bicycles.
9:50>> And L-san, you've felt this yourself, as
9:52it was mentioned earlier by the
9:54commentator, riding on the sidewalk is
9:56basically prohibited at this time.
10:00They are treated as vehicles that must
10:02use the road.
10:04There are bike lanes, but as was
10:05mentioned earlier, in some situations
10:07they are effectively unusable, so what
10:09about the dangers of riding?
10:11>> This includes risks for the rider, as
10:12well as risks to those around them.
10:14Could you tell us about this, L-san?
10:16Based on your own experience.
10:18>> Oh, yes.
10:19Honestly, it's quite scary to ride on
10:21the road while carrying my children.
10:26>> Especially in the city center, there are
10:28many cars parked on the street and the
10:30roads aren't always wide enough, so
10:32trying to avoid parked cars makes me
10:34worry about collisions with cars coming
10:36from behind; there's a real
10:37psychological hurdle to just getting out
10:39onto the road.
10:46Also, an electric assist bicycle
10:48carrying two children is heavy and has a
10:50high center of gravity, so I feel it's
10:52quite difficult to ride under conditions
10:54where, if you can't stay stable within
10:56the width of a bike lane, there's a risk
10:58of a major accident.
11:02Yeah. Yeah.
11:05We're seeing more of those painted bike
11:07lanes, but just having them doesn't
11:08necessarily solve the problem.
11:13Drivers frequently drift into them, and
11:16in narrow spots, cyclists often get
11:18tailgated by cars, which happens all the
11:20time.
11:22Yes.
11:23So what happens then?
11:25Ah, I see.
11:27That’s why the current reality is that
11:29we’re basically forced to ride on the
11:30sidewalk.
11:32Mm-hmm.
11:33Well, thank you for that.
11:35Next, I’d like to ask Kosuke as well.
11:38Like L, Kosuke also has a daughter in
11:40lower elementary school and another in
11:42daycare.
11:44I hear that back in Kanagawa, where your
11:46family lives, your partner takes the
11:48kids by bike.
11:51Kosuke, you work in the city center, and
11:53you’ve mentioned feeling that it’s often
11:55dangerous there.
11:58Could you tell us about what you’ve felt
12:00from your own experiences?
12:02>> Yes. Well, let's see.
12:06As you just mentioned, I understand that
12:08in the city, there are many parked cars
12:10and various other conditions that leave
12:12cyclists with no choice but to use the
12:14sidewalk.
12:21That being said, what I personally feel
12:22is that there are far too many cyclists
12:24who ride with the assumption that
12:26pedestrians will just move out of their
12:27way.
12:33I’d like to see them practice more "
12:35what if" driving, keeping in mind that
12:37>> pedestrians might make a sudden move;
12:39that's something I feel every day.
12:40Mm-hmm.
12:41>> Right, so that was the core issue from
12:43the start. It started because there were
12:45too many accidents between pedestrians
12:47and cyclists on sidewalks, so the push
12:49was to move them to the road, but now
12:50cyclists have nowhere to go.
12:52>> Yes.
12:53>> So for me, I try my best to avoid major
12:55roads,
12:56>> and take residential streets
12:57>> I see. to get to daycare and such, but
13:00of course, that depends entirely on the
13:02location.
13:02>> Hearing Kosuke’s story, it really
13:04strikes me how difficult this situation
13:06is to navigate.
13:06>> Mm-hmm.
13:08>> Based on what you just said, Kousuke-san
13:10, it means there are people frankly
13:12driving dangerously on the sidewalks,
13:14right?
13:16That's correct.
13:19Especially in the city center, cars
13:21often can't easily turn off from main
13:23roads onto side streets.
13:28>> Because of that, I think there are many
13:30cases where cars have no choice but to
13:32park on the street.
13:33>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
13:35>> And while I think it’s somewhat
13:37unavoidable that bicycles, having lost
13:39their place on the road, end up on the
13:41sidewalk...
13:41>> Yeah.
13:43...since these bikes are inevitably
13:44heavy,
13:46>> when you consider what happens if
13:47there’s a collision, I really want
13:49cyclists to...
13:51>> be more conscious of their speed.
13:53>> Yeah. Yeah.
13:55>> I’d like you to take a look at this test
13:56footage.
13:58When you carry a child, and with many
14:00e-bikes being heavy these days, as you
14:02can see—and we showed you a glimpse of
14:04this earlier—
14:06>> the bike on the left, which is in a
14:08heavier state,
14:10>> clearly shows a greater degree of
14:12wobbling.
14:13>> As the guest mentioned earlier, from the
14:15perspective of the person riding, this
14:16is extremely dangerous. Of course, it
14:18also means it’s dangerous for yourself
14:20as well.
14:20>> Dangerous. Yeah. Given this reality,
14:23>> it's quite difficult, isn't it,
14:25Kawasaki-san?
14:26>> Yeah.
14:26>> I can understand both sides of the
14:28situation.
14:28>> That’s true. When I was listening to
14:30L-san's story, it really reminded me of
14:32my own past.
14:34I was raising children while working,
14:36and back then—though we didn't have
14:38terms like "cost-performance" or "
14:39time-performance" like we do now—those
14:41things were incredibly important to me.
14:52It wasn't about driving a car for every
14:54little thing or doing something major;
14:56for trips of just five or ten minutes, a
14:58bicycle was simply the easiest thing to
15:00use.
15:04But as everyone saw in the video earlier
15:06, bicycles were fundamentally never
15:07invented to be used for shopping while
15:09carrying children in the front and back
15:11like that.
15:17Two-wheelers weren't originally invented
15:19for this, yet for some reason in Japan,
15:21they've become a culturally popular
15:23daily mode of transport for the general
15:25public, even without the dedicated
15:27cycling lanes seen in Western countries
15:29.
15:37>> Over time, we've practiced this vague
15:39approach where two-wheelers just exist
15:41somewhere between the road and the
15:42sidewalk, and I think because there's
15:44such high demand now from people
15:46actually raising children, we're finally
15:47forced to address what to do about it.
15:55But honestly, having raised kids in
15:57different parts of the world, I really
15:59feel that Japan is lacking in resources
16:01for people who are raising children.
16:11In other words, since there's no
16:13infrastructure to help parents move
16:15their children around safely and
16:16affordably, and because things like
16:18school pickups and drop-offs have become
16:20a parent's burden, I think these issues
16:22have compounded because that strain
16:23hasn't been alleviated at all.
16:32>> I see. What does everyone else think?
16:39>> Well, rather than this being just "how
16:41things are," it feels like we're making
16:43enemies or picking unnecessary fights;
16:45the reason people have to go through
16:46residential areas isn't because they
16:48want to, but because the traffic system
16:50is entirely car-centric, and I don't
16:52mean to blame the drivers, but that's
16:54the root of it.
17:00So, I really think that's the core issue
17:02.
17:05It feels like a pointless conflict to
17:07debate whether it’s okay to carry
17:09children or go fast; rather, the real
17:11problem is that we’ve become a
17:13car-centric society where people are
17:14forced into those situations.
17:21We just discussed how few dedicated bike
17:23lanes there are, but let’s be real,
17:25building more is incredibly difficult,
17:26isn’t it?
17:28>> It’s not just a lack of money; sometimes
17:30the roads simply don’t exist, or space
17:32is just too limited.
17:33>> Right. Especially in Tokyo—I’m not sure
17:35about rural areas—but the roads are
17:37honestly so narrow.
17:38>> So, given that building more is
17:40difficult, what do we do?
17:44>> I think it’s tough to set uniform rules
17:46for everything.
17:48After all, road conditions are
17:50completely different between cities and
17:52rural areas, aren't they?
17:56Also, there are different factors to
17:58consider—like whether electric bikes are
18:00scarier because they're faster, or if
18:02they actually allow for better control
18:04and stability when carrying a child, or
18:06perhaps the speed makes them more
18:08dangerous.
18:11There are all sorts of circumstances,
18:13right? Yeah.
18:16>> I feel like the only option is to have a
18:18minimum set of laws and then let local
18:19governments handle the rest based on
18:21their specific situations.
18:24What do you think?
18:26>> That’s a fantastic perspective.
18:31Regarding the recent age limit revision
18:33for carrying children, it’s actually up
18:35to each prefecture to decide the
18:37specific traffic rules.
18:41Yeah.
18:42>> So, they can set traffic regulations
18:44that suit their local environment.
18:46Yeah. Yeah. Oh.
18:51>> However, if you look at past policies,
18:53the rule that children can't be carried
18:55after they start school...
18:58...
18:58>> has naturally been uniform across the
19:00board. Among local governments.
19:02>> Yeah.
19:02>> Ah. Ah.
19:05>> But as you say, road and traffic
19:07conditions vary by city, so I really
19:08feel we should be making traffic
19:10revisions that account for those
19:12differences.
19:15Also, one more point: this May, there
19:18was a push for the promotion of, um, car
19:20usage...
19:22>> Yeah.
19:22>> Um...
19:23>> Bicycle usage.
19:24>> Bicycle, yes, bicycle.
19:25>> The Ministry of Land, Infrastructure,
19:27Transport and Tourism is actually
19:28promoting this. They want to make
19:30bicycles a more mobile and more
19:32convenient form of transport.
19:36>> They are setting a direction that
19:38includes parents raising children and
19:39people with disabilities, and the
19:41national government is pushing to expand
19:43road space and improve how we do things
19:44.
19:46>> Oh, is that so?
19:47>> However,
19:48>> Yeah.
19:49Regarding these roads, there are
19:51national highways, prefectural roads,
19:53and municipal roads, so each entity has
19:55to develop them on their own, but...
20:00>> At the current stage, less than 20%of
20:02municipalities nationwide have submitted
20:04plans, and I suspect many cities are in
20:06a state where they just want the
20:08national government to decide for them.
20:13So, is it that local governments lack
20:15resources, lack awareness, or as you
20:17said earlier, they just have to be told
20:19by the central government to get it done
20:21?
20:22>> Or perhaps there aren't actually enough
20:24issues to justify making rules.
20:27>> Or maybe it's a society where people
20:29think there's low danger even when there
20:31really is.
20:32>> I think that's what it is.
20:34So, while this issue with the "blue
20:36ticket" system has sparked various
20:38problems and even controversy, in a
20:40sense, discussions like this...
20:43>> Yeah.
20:48...can be a trigger to discuss how we
20:49should handle urban planning, roads,
20:51pedestrians, cyclists, and what kind of
20:53road development is essential to improve
20:55convenience for everyone.
21:00>> I really feel that this is a great
21:02opportunity.
21:04>> Since we have a member of the National
21:06Diet here, L-san, could you tell us
21:07directly if there is anything you would
21:09like to request from the national
21:11government or in practice?
21:12>> Ah, yes. Thank you.
21:17I really think it's reasonable, as
21:19mentioned earlier, to set criteria based
21:21on weight or height instead of just a
21:23child's age.
21:29For example, amusement park rides aren't
21:31usually restricted by age, but rather by
21:33height—like if you're taller or shorter
21:36than 110cm, you should ride this or that
21:38.
21:44Especially for kindergarteners or first
21:46graders, there's a huge range in growth
21:49depending on their birth month; some are
21:51under 100cm while others are already
21:53130cm, so I really hope we can establish
21:55rules using different safety indicators
21:58.
22:00>> That's exactly right.
22:02>> And also, as for...
22:03>> Yes. How...
22:04>> Yes.
22:04>> Oh, yes. Also, regarding bike lanes, if
22:07it's just paint on the road, cars come
22:09in all the time and it’s truly scary.
22:14If bikes are supposed to ride on the
22:16road, I really feel it would be tough
22:17without some kind of physical barrier,
22:19like bollards or curbs, to keep cars
22:21from entering.
22:23>> Yeah.
22:24>> Yes. Kosuke-san, what do you think?
22:26>> Yeah.
22:28>> Well, let's see.
22:30I have two children, one in the lower
22:32grades of elementary school and one in
22:34nursery school.
22:36My older child learned to ride a bike
22:39quite easily, but...
22:40>> Yeah.
22:42>> I think about how I need to get my
22:44younger one ready to ride in the next
22:46two or three years.
22:48>> Also, it gets dark early this time of
22:50year, so...
22:52>> My older child walks home alone from
22:54after-school care.
22:56>> Yeah.
22:59I do worry about that, so I agree that
23:01we shouldn't just draw the line at
23:03school age, but look at height—well,
23:05height specifically.
23:09Height or build, yeah.
23:10>> Yeah. I feel it would be better to set
23:12the rules that way.
23:13>> Yeah.
23:14>> Tsuka-san, having heard those two
23:15opinions, what are your thoughts?
23:17>> Well, I think those are truly earnest
23:19and realistic voices.
23:23So, just recently, on the 27th of last
23:25month, we held an expert committee
23:27meeting to verify the safety of bicycles
23:29, including carrying two passengers.
23:34>> A committee has been formed, and by the
23:35end of the year, they will conduct
23:37experiments to determine at what weight
23:39and height it becomes dangerous to carry
23:41a child.
23:42>> Work has already begun to finalize
23:43certain aspects, including potential
23:45legal amendments, by the end of the next
23:47fiscal year.
23:48>> Yeah. Yeah.
23:49Personally, I believe that voices like
23:51yours...
23:54...
23:54>> really helped lead to the establishment
23:56of that expert committee.
23:59It’s a very positive development, the
24:01likes of which I rarely experience, but
24:03the issue is...
24:08...
24:08>> how the practical side will work, such
24:10as whether police officers will use
24:12measuring tapes when issuing citations,
24:14or how weight will be verified.
24:21Yes, yes.
24:24>> So, we need to discuss what the best
24:26approach is, including those details,
24:28but however...
24:29...
24:30>> at present, the 24kg limit......
24:32>> according to SG standards, covers first
24:34and second graders.
24:35>> Yeah.
24:35>> And when I hear from the Komeito party
24:37in the Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly, for
24:39example, safety classes in schools for
24:41first and second graders......
24:43>> are apparently mostly held for third
24:45graders and up. That's how they learn to
24:47ride bicycles.
24:50So, we need educational environments
24:51where first and second graders can learn
24:54to ride, and for instance, when I taught
24:56my child, we went to a park...
24:59>> Yeah. ...and there was that moving
25:01parent-child moment where I’d say, "Are
25:02you holding on?" while letting go, and
25:04they’d realize they were riding on their
25:06own.
25:08>> But honestly, there are environments now
25:10where parenting is restricted, like
25:11parks where you aren't allowed to ride
25:13bicycles, which is a real issue.
25:16Yeah. Yeah.
25:17>> First, on one hand, regarding lower
25:19grade students...
25:20...
25:21>> in first and second grade......
25:22>> I think it's worth having a discussion
25:24about this now.
25:24>> That's right.
25:26So, by relaxing the age restrictions and
25:28, as you mentioned, basing it on weight
25:30, it would effectively allow for
25:32children in the lower grades of
25:33elementary school to be carried.
25:36Yeah.
25:37>> As a result, busy parents like Ms. L and
25:40Mr. Kai can be helped.
25:43On the other hand, the other remaining
25:45issue is safety.
25:46>> Uh, it was decided that two children
25:47could be carried.
25:50But then those people riding bicycles
25:52start overflowing onto the sidewalks, or
25:54wobbling around and drifting into the
25:56road,
25:59>> and ultimately, it's the citizens who
26:01are troubled by this.
26:02>> So, the question of how to
26:03>> solve this problem is naturally being
26:05pushed to the forefront.
26:07Well, as you mentioned earlier, we need
26:09to discuss safety at the national level
26:11,
26:12>> and if we don't clear these hurdles,
26:16>> well, it may help moms and dads, but
26:18sorry, for those who feel inconvenienced
26:20by these bikes, that feeling won't go
26:22away, and it will remain a difficult
26:24society to live in, so this is tough.
26:28>> If you say that, then even with cars, if
26:30the driver is bad, it becomes dangerous
26:32driving, right? Yeah.
26:34So, I just feel like, what can you do,
26:38>> we have to rely on each individual's
26:39driving skills, don't we?
26:41>> For example, even with these electric
26:43ones today,
26:43>> Yeah.
26:44>> They are actually very stable when
26:45starting off, relatively speaking.
26:47>> I see.
26:48>> In the past,
26:49>> Uh-huh.
26:50>> It would automatically lurch forward as
26:51soon as you stepped on the pedal, which
26:53was scary.
26:54>> Nowadays, it's become much smoother, and
26:56the technology has improved
26:57significantly.
26:59The difference between an electric bike
27:01and a regular bike is quite large, so
27:03that difference should be taken into
27:04account.
27:05>> It's completely different. Especially
27:07the start is totally different.
27:09>> And as a practical matter, for the
27:11bicycle industry, this type is likely
27:13their biggest source of income in Japan
27:15, so they've put in a tremendous amount
27:17of corporate effort to make them
27:18incredibly stable.
27:24However, I really want the companies to
27:26promote more strongly to users how they
27:28want them used and how to use them most
27:30safely.
27:34Well, I'm a lawmaker from Osaka, and
27:36with the Kansai Expo coming up, there
27:38was a company from Hyogo that, instead
27:40of this current style, has proposed a
27:42new type of bicycle designed from the
27:44start to carry children securely in the
27:46back.
27:48>> They are out there, these companies
27:50proposing new forms of bicycles. Yeah.
27:52Yeah. Yeah.
27:54So, instead of fixing rules for these
27:56bikes based on some fixed idea of safety
27:58, we should start by asking...
28:00>> Right.
28:01>> What kind of bicycle would actually
28:03allow us to carry children safely in
28:05today's environment?
28:06>> Maybe it shouldn't even be a bicycle,
28:08right? A new type of vehicle.
28:09>> Exactly, exactly. A vehicle. That kind
28:12of thinking.
28:13>> Well, vehicles are like that, and they
28:14can avoid danger.
28:15>> You know, like with cars, they have all
28:17sorts of features. Like if you're about
28:19to crash, for example. That's exactly
28:21the point.
28:22>> Perhaps we should broaden our
28:23perspective for future discussions.
28:26Asking for every little detail to be
28:27regulated, like the disaster prevention
28:29topic earlier, just makes us passive
28:31consumers of the system, doesn't it?
28:34I felt the previous discussion lacked
28:36initiative, but your idea is incredibly
28:38creative.
28:39>> If we develop new technology, sell it,
28:41and export it, wouldn't that be
28:42fantastic? It would.
28:44>> Exactly.
28:45>> Yes.
28:45>> It’s a very difficult issue, though.
28:47>> What did you think of today's discussion
28:49? Well, we have no choice but to live
28:51within the rules.
28:53Yes. We're powerless. I really urge you
28:55to consider it. I really do.
28:58>> I'm Hiraishi, the host of Abema Prime.
29:01Thank you for watching.
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