Трагедия семьи известного бойца Алена Офойо: как дорожный конфликт обернулся потерей ребёнка и судом — Transcript
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- 0:00They attacked me. What do you
- 0:01>> mean, attacked? [ __ ].
- 0:03>> Give me the video, please.
- 0:05>> She started insulting me with all sorts
- 0:07of words.
- 0:09She beat me, climbed on me.
- 0:12>> You went from victims to defendants.
- 0:15>> She started calling her friends. As it
- 0:16turned out later, one of them was an
- 0:18employee of the State Committee for
- 0:19National Security.
- 0:20>> Ah, so you knew each other.
- 0:27>> When I approached him, he immediately
- 0:28turned around and hit me.
- 0:38I was deprived of my freedom and taken
- 0:40into custody.
- 0:43She was seven months pregnant and ran to
- 0:45you to fight.
- 0:46You say she attacked you. She
- 0:48>> beats me, beats me, yes, yes.
- 0:53>> And how do they justify this? On
- 0:58>> October 22, 2023, in Bishkek, Liza
- 1:01Amurbekova, the wife of the famous
- 1:03kickboxer Alain Afyo, was involved in a
- 1:06traffic conflict with a man and a woman
- 1:09in a BMW X7.
- 1:12According to Liza and her lawyers, the
- 1:14SUV cut off her car, after which the
- 1:16woman in the BMW attacked her, and then
- 1:18the man joined in the beating.
- 1:21Liza was pregnant and, according to her
- 1:23, warned her attackers about it. She
- 1:26called her husband. When Alain arrived,
- 1:28a fight broke out between him and the
- 1:30BMW driver. The driver claimed that the
- 1:32athlete had damaged his teeth. Afoyo
- 1:34himself claimed that the man struck
- 1:36first and that he had to defend himself
- 1:38.
- 1:39According to the family's lawyer, Liza
- 1:41was four months pregnant and lost the
- 1:43baby after the incident.
- 1:46The defense linked this to the beating
- 1:48and cited a medical examination finding
- 1:50grievous bodily harm.
- 1:52In July 2024, police confirmed that the
- 1:54case based on her complaint had been
- 1:57reclassified from hooliganism to
- 1:59grievous bodily harm following the
- 2:01examination.
- 2:02However, another participant in the
- 2:04conflict, Anara Tillaeva, filed
- 2:06counter-charges. She claimed that she
- 2:08herself was pregnant, and that Eliza had
- 2:11hit her in the mouth with a phone,
- 2:12damaging her teeth. Thus, both women
- 2:14claimed to have suffered as a result of
- 2:16each other's actions. Alain, according
- 2:18to his defense, spent nearly two months
- 2:20in pretrial detention. His lawyers
- 2:22claimed self-defense, but on July 30,
- 2:252024, the Oktyabrsky District Court of
- 2:28Bishkek found the athlete guilty of
- 2:30hooliganism and fined him 30,000 soms.
- 2:34Eliza herself was also charged.
- 2:36According to reports on the subsequent
- 2:38developments in the case, the court
- 2:39fined her and ordered her deportation
- 2:41from Kyrgyzstan.
- 2:43The Bishkek City Court also upheld this
- 2:45sentence.
- 2:46Eliza considers the decision unfair.
- 2:49According to her, after the attack and
- 2:51the loss of her child, she herself found
- 2:53herself convicted, as did her husband,
- 2:55who came to help her.
- 2:57She came to our studio to tell her story
- 2:59and seek justice.
- 3:04>> Welcome, friends, to the channel of
- 3:06journalist Semetey Amanbekov.
- 3:09President Sadyr Japarov is holding a
- 3:11meeting with the local population.
- 3:15And now everyone is watching to see what
- 3:17questions the public is asking.
- 3:19And every other complaint is about
- 3:21judges. Injustice, unfair court
- 3:23decisions. Here they convicted someone,
- 3:25here they released someone, here they
- 3:27did something wrong. In short, the
- 3:28discontent of city residents, the
- 3:30discontent of people across the country
- 3:32, is evident.
- 3:34And so, today, people have come to our
- 3:36studio who, in their opinion, have also
- 3:38become victims of judicial arbitrariness
- 3:41and want to tell their story.
- 3:45In our studio today is multiple Kyrgyz
- 3:47champion and kickboxer Aleno Foyo and
- 3:50his wife, Eliza.
- 3:52Greetings, friends.
- 3:55Of course, I didn't want to meet with
- 3:57you in this format, or for this reason,
- 3:59but, as I already said, unfortunately,
- 4:01the whole country is now facing such
- 4:03court decisions.
- 4:06And, ah, we'd like to hear your point of
- 4:08view.
- 4:11I briefly familiarized myself with your
- 4:13situation, watched a video where, ah,
- 4:15some married couple, or you were driving
- 4:17, yes, you were attacked.
- 4:20Well, you, you, I saw, you didn't even
- 4:22get out of the car, right, apparently,
- 4:24at least according to the video, right?
- 4:48Oh, you were attacked, and now, before
- 4:50this interview, you're saying that, on
- 4:52the contrary, you went from being a
- 4:53victim to being an accused, a defendant
- 4:56, right?
- 4:56>> Yeah.
- 4:58>> So I'd like to ask, what was the
- 5:00situation, why did they come to you, why
- 5:02did they attack you, what was the reason
- 5:04?
- 5:05First, recreate what happened that day?
- 5:11>> Oh, it turns out I was attacked, beaten
- 5:13, and from being a victim I went from
- 5:15being an accused, a defendant, and they
- 5:17want to deport me.
- 5:20>> Yeah. Well, no, let's recreate that day
- 5:22. You were driving in a white Lexus,
- 5:25right, an RX?
- 5:26>> Yes. I was, it turns out, driving
- 5:28towards my house.
- 5:30And then, ah, the driver, ah, a BMW X7.
- 5:34>> Yeah.
- 5:35>> ah, he cut everyone off, ah, the drivers
- 5:38.
- 5:40And because I didn't let him pass, he
- 5:42decided to get revenge, cut me off,
- 5:44stopped me, ah, right in the roadway.
- 5:50ah, a woman seven months pregnant ran
- 5:52out of there, ah, first she went to the
- 5:54passenger side, then went around the car
- 5:56, opened the driver's side where I was
- 5:58sitting.
- 6:01ah, unfortunately, I was in my mother's
- 6:03car, where the doors don't automatically
- 6:06lock that particular day.
- 6:09For some reason, I was sure that I
- 6:10wasn't in my own car and was about to
- 6:12change lanes and drive away, but I
- 6:14didn't have time.
- 6:15>> And you thought the doors were locked,
- 6:17right?
- 6:19>> And I was waiting to change into the
- 6:21left lane.
- 6:24And then the woman, it turns out, came
- 6:26up to me, started insulting me, and with
- 6:29all sorts of words, beat me, climbed on
- 6:31me.
- 6:35Then her husband came up and said don't
- 6:37touch her, even though his wife is
- 6:38beating me.
- 6:41He says don't touch her, she's pregnant
- 6:43.
- 6:44>> And he tells you not to touch his wife?
- 6:46>> Yes, but I didn't touch her anyway.
- 6:50And then he starts standing up for his
- 6:52wife and her husband starts beating me
- 6:54too.
- 6:55They both start beating me
- 6:59and I couldn't do anything.
- 7:03But at one point I remember that
- 7:04bystanders came up and started asking
- 7:06them, what are you doing?
- 7:09Why are you beating a girl?
- 7:11>> Yeah.
- 7:11>> And they started filming them.
- 7:16And then they stop and this husband
- 7:17starts calling his friends.
- 7:21And as it turned out later, one of them
- 7:23was an employee of the State Committee
- 7:24for National Security.
- 7:25>> State Committee for National Security?
- 7:27>> State Committee for National Security,
- 7:29yes. I called my husband right away.
- 7:32And my husband arrived about 15-20
- 7:34minutes later.
- 7:38And when my husband arrived, he asked me
- 7:40which of them, because besides her
- 7:42husband, other bystanders came up.
- 7:46So my husband didn't know which of them
- 7:47beat me.
- 7:48>> Yeah. Didn't
- 7:50>> you have time
- 7:50>> to tell your husband on the phone?
- 7:53>> And I told him that I was attacked, I
- 7:55was beaten, come. And I gave him the
- 7:57address and that's it.
- 7:58>> Yeah.
- 8:01>> And by the time my husband arrived, even
- 8:03after they stopped beating me, they
- 8:04didn't even leave the car.
- 8:07They were standing next to me.
- 8:09>> Yeah.
- 8:10>> So, I couldn't do anything.
- 8:12Even though bystanders were filming, and
- 8:14the woman in the headscarf, the pregnant
- 8:16woman, continued to hit me in the face.
- 8:20So, she wasn't embarrassed by the fact
- 8:21that she was being filmed.
- 8:24And her husband, ah, continued to insult
- 8:26me with obscenities.
- 8:28It's all captured on video. Do
- 8:31>> you have a video?
- 8:33They attacked me. What do you
- 8:34>> mean, attacked? [ __ ]?
- 8:40>> You saw, right? Who attacked?
- 8:54Young man, send me the video.
- 9:02>> Then, it turns out, my husband didn't
- 9:04have time to, ah, figure out which of
- 9:06them was beating me when he arrived.
- 9:10This Urmat hits him.
- 9:13>> Alena?
- 9:14>> Yes, Alena. Next, the First.
- 9:16>> So, I need to be here at Alena's.
- 9:18>> Yes, yes, yes, let them
- 9:20>> hear my wife's call. Naturally, like any
- 9:22husband, they dropped everything and ran
- 9:24. Let's go.
- 9:24>> Yes.
- 9:27When I arrived at the scene, I saw a man
- 9:29standing with his back to me next to a
- 9:31BMW.
- 9:34He had his foot on the front wheel of
- 9:36his car, on the driver's side.
- 9:40Ah, I walked up to him and crossed the
- 9:42road quickly.
- 9:44I walked up to him, and it turns out I
- 9:46approached this man.
- 9:48When he turned around, I didn't know who
- 9:50it was, because there were bystanders
- 9:52there, well, a few other people.
- 9:56And when I approached him, that is, ah,
- 9:59because my wife told me that their
- 10:00seventh car cut her off.
- 10:06But I logically thought that this was
- 10:07the man, because he had his foot on the
- 10:09wheel of the car.
- 10:13When I approached him, he immediately
- 10:15turned around and hit me.
- 10:17>> Yeah.
- 10:19>> So, without any apparent reason.
- 10:22We didn't even have time to exchange a
- 10:24word.
- 10:26He immediately hit me.
- 10:29He, it turns out, I slightly moved my
- 10:31head away and started to hit him back.
- 10:35So, I didn't do it because I wanted to
- 10:36hit him.
- 10:39I did it automatically, because I was
- 10:41hit.
- 10:42>> Yeah.
- 10:44>> So, it just happened spontaneously.
- 10:50I tried to prove to the judge that it
- 10:52was self-defense, but the district court
- 10:54judge, the city court judges, they were
- 10:56just dumbfounded, standing there like
- 10:58stones.
- 11:04I said, well, how can I react if a
- 11:06complete stranger
- 11:11hits me?
- 11:14It's a normal, natural human reaction to
- 11:16defend yourself.
- 11:20Especially since I went there because my
- 11:21wife was beaten.
- 11:25So, I think it's a normal reaction.
- 11:31But the judges, the prosecutor, and
- 11:33everyone else have a completely
- 11:35different opinion.
- 11:42In general, I've learned a very
- 11:44interesting word over this time: our
- 11:45entire law enforcement system, the
- 11:47oversight system, the prosecutor's
- 11:49office, the judicial system have this
- 11:51word for all of this: "your arguments."
- 11:58I say, these aren't my arguments, these
- 12:00are the facts.
- 12:03I'm telling you facts, not arguments,
- 12:05because there's video footage, there are
- 12:07eyewitnesses, complete strangers.
- 12:12What arguments can there be? These are
- 12:15facts.
- 12:16I'm using facts, not arguments.
- 12:21We've been going through all the courts
- 12:23for three years now, and we're still
- 12:24going through all the courts, multiple
- 12:26times, multiple times.
- 12:32People who were accused of a serious, uh
- 12:34, crime haven't spent a single day in
- 12:36pretrial detention.
- 12:40Not a single day.
- 12:45And I was charged with hooliganism,
- 12:47which, by law, doesn't carry a prison
- 12:49sentence.
- 12:52>> Yeah.
- 12:53>> I was put in pretrial detention. For
- 12:56what?
- 12:58I ask the judge, why are you depriving
- 13:00me of my liberty?
- 13:04He simply says, well, your lawyer—at the
- 13:06time, there was a female lawyer—you
- 13:08didn't provide a residence permit.
- 13:12>> Hmm, like you might escape.
- 13:14>> Yeah.
- 13:17To which I tell him I'm a citizen of the
- 13:19Kyrgyz Republic, I have housing and a
- 13:21residence permit.
- 13:25I don't need a residence permit.
- 13:27>> Yeah.
- 13:30>> To which he still says, you don't have a
- 13:32residence permit, you didn't provide one
- 13:34.
- 13:37I say, I was under arrest, uh, my lawyer
- 13:39didn't have time to provide one.
- 13:45So, I was stripped of my freedom and
- 13:47taken into custody.
- 13:55When they were choosing me, they took me
- 13:57to the deputy prosecutor of the
- 13:58Oktyabrsky district for approval.
- 14:10And he asked me this question: if you
- 14:12were to meet with Buzurmankulov now, the
- 14:14victim, and apologize to him.
- 14:22Do you think that could somehow
- 14:23influence the case?
- 14:25I said, well, I don’t know.
- 14:33And anyway, I don’t want to apologize to
- 14:35him, because I believe that any sane man
- 14:37, husband, or person in general should
- 14:39protect his family.
- 14:46>> Yes.
- 14:47That’s a
- 14:49>> normal reaction, but I didn’t go there
- 14:51to fight, I came to find out why it
- 14:53happened.
- 14:56And I was attacked.
- 14:59To which he gave me a direct answer.
- 15:02You, well, asked a direct question. Are
- 15:05you going to apologize? I said no.
- 15:07He said, well, then we’ll give you the
- 15:09full treatment.
- 15:11So, accordingly, I had already arrived
- 15:13in the courtroom; I knew they would lock
- 15:15me up.
- 15:16So, I was already prepared for this.
- 15:22And I kind of accepted it, even when I
- 15:24was talking to the judge, I explained it
- 15:26all to him, and he said, well, we're
- 15:27depriving you of your liberty for two
- 15:29weeks.
- 15:32Well, two weeks isn't the same as two
- 15:34months.
- 15:35That's how it was.
- 15:37>> But the question is, when he first
- 15:39struck you, did he hit you or not? Did
- 15:42>> he just glancing.
- 15:43>> Glancing?
- 15:45>> Yes, there was a blow, but it wasn't
- 15:47that hard, because it just glancing, I
- 15:49ducked my head.
- 15:52>> Professionally.
- 15:54>> Well, most likely, it's not more
- 15:56professional than self-preservation.
- 15:58>> So, you didn't suffer any injuries
- 16:00afterwards, right?
- 16:02>> Well, there was something, but it was
- 16:04insignificant.
- 16:05>> And did you only strike him once in
- 16:07response?
- 16:09>> Well, I waved him off, it's all there on
- 16:11the video.
- 16:12>> Well, I looked at the video, it's very
- 16:14far away and not entirely clear. That's
- 16:17why I'm asking.
- 16:18Did you strike him once or how many
- 16:20times?
- 16:21>> Well, I don't know, I'm retreating
- 16:23because I was fighting back, not hitting
- 16:25anymore, just fighting back.
- 16:27>> Yeah.
- 16:28>> Because it was unexpected for me.
- 16:31>> And then they write that they knocked
- 16:32out his teeth, right?
- 16:40>> But in fact, it turns out, like at the
- 16:42time, there was a lawyer, he still
- 16:43exists, but now he's been disbarred,
- 16:45Khasanov, and as for the fact that I
- 16:47allegedly knocked out his teeth.
- 16:55He didn't have any teeth, he had crowns
- 16:57.
- 16:57>> Mm.
- 16:59There
- 17:00>> were no teeth there.
- 17:03They wanted to present it as if I was
- 17:05once a famous athlete, and with my heavy
- 17:07, weighty punches I knocked out several
- 17:09of his teeth.
- 17:13I was simply surprised myself, to be
- 17:15honest.
- 17:18I've never been a puncher by nature,
- 17:20I've always been a technical boxer, and
- 17:22I don't have a heavy punch.
- 17:25That's how it is. Here's an
- 17:27>> interesting situation, yes, that when
- 17:29you strike, it means you're a famous
- 17:31athlete, but when they choose a
- 17:32preventive measure, it means there's no
- 17:34proof of residence and they have to take
- 17:36you into custody. But if you're a famous
- 17:38athlete, and you are a famous athlete,
- 17:40why take you into custody? The whole
- 17:42country knows you.
- 17:43>> Well, in
- 17:56general, when they want to persuade you
- 17:57to do something.
- 18:00>> Mm.
- 18:02That is, so that a person is capable of
- 18:04making agreements, right?
- 18:06>> Yes.
- 18:09It's more like, uh, moral humiliation,
- 18:12more like moral pressure.
- 18:17That is, uh, they're trying to break a
- 18:19person morally,
- 18:21>> yep,
- 18:22>> so that he'll be more compliant.
- 18:25One prosecutor explained this to me.
- 18:27>> yep.
- 18:28>> That is, from my experience.
- 18:30>> And what did they want to persuade you
- 18:31to do? Like, so that you'd ask for
- 18:33forgiveness?
- 18:34>> Ah, ask for forgiveness.
- 18:38Then, when my case was being heard in
- 18:39the district, that judge is now deceased
- 18:41, even the judge has died.
- 18:45This case has been going on for so long
- 18:47.
- 18:49Ah, he says, we've been coming here for
- 18:52so many times already.
- 18:54Why just come here?
- 18:57Perhaps you could negotiate a settlement
- 18:58?
- 19:00I'm saying, Your Honor, I'm the
- 19:01defendant here.
- 19:03>> Yeah.
- 19:05>> Why are you asking me a question so I
- 19:06can negotiate a settlement?
- 19:08I'm the defendant here.
- 19:10I'm on trial.
- 19:12>> Yeah.
- 19:14But tell me, was any case opened against
- 19:16the party that attacked your wife, the
- 19:19ones who used obscene language?
- 19:27>> We spent a year, a year trying to get
- 19:29charges brought against them.
- 19:33>> Yeah.
- 19:35>> You simply can't imagine what a struggle
- 19:37that was.
- 19:40We came, we went to the Oktyabrsky
- 19:42District Police Department almost every
- 19:44day.
- 19:47The investigator halfheartedly said, "
- 19:49Leave the case materials there in the
- 19:51office."
- 19:53That is, so they could come to him for
- 19:55now.
- 19:58He, when we finally got a criminal case
- 20:00opened, but it didn't move forward again
- 20:02.
- 20:05We got it transferred to the city police
- 20:07department.
- 20:08>> Yeah.
- 20:09>> Because it's impossible there, the
- 20:11Oktyabrsky District Police Department is
- 20:13closed.
- 20:15They sent me to the city.
- 20:20The investigator who, ah, opened the
- 20:22case, it turns out he lost the materials
- 20:24.
- 20:27>> How did he lose them?
- 20:28>> Well, that's how it is. They
- 20:30>> lost my things.
- 20:31And I had...My clothes were all torn.
- 20:34>> So, it's
- 20:35>> like material evidence. Yes.
- 20:38>> They stalled as much as they could.
- 20:41That's how they could. They spent a year
- 20:43just opening a case.
- 20:46Expertise, forensic examinations because
- 20:49my wife lost her child.
- 20:52They ordered examinations four times.
- 20:55Once they ordered an examination,
- 20:57allegedly an inappropriate examination.
- 21:00They ordered it a second time.
- 21:02The lawyer says that's already illegal.
- 21:04He's
- 21:05>> ordering it at their own request.
- 21:07>> This is illegal.
- 21:11Something or other.
- 21:13Four times again.
- 21:15What new can you learn there?
- 21:17The same examination, the same
- 21:18examination. They order it four times.
- 21:22Well, it's clear as day what's going on
- 21:24here.
- 21:29And then, when my city court hearing
- 21:31started, that same lawyer Khasanov calls
- 21:33my lawyer, not me directly, and says,
- 21:35let's have them reconcile, otherwise,
- 21:37you know, they'll find him guilty.
- 21:44He talks to me. I say, let them plead
- 21:47guilty. Well, what can we do?
- 21:49Well, what can we do? I'll be such a
- 21:52martyr.
- 21:53What can we do?
- 22:00>> And most importantly, it turns out we
- 22:02have to ask them for forgiveness and go
- 22:04for reconciliation.
- 22:11Me.
- 22:13And his wife confirmed these same words
- 22:14to the city court.
- 22:16She said, yes, my husband said that.
- 22:21>> As a result of this incident, your wife
- 22:23lost her child.
- 22:24>> Yes.
- 22:25>> Yes.
- 22:26>> It was a serious crime back then. That's
- 22:28what I'm
- 22:29>> talking about.
- 22:31We're screaming everywhere, from every
- 22:33iron.
- 22:35We were deprived of our child, this was
- 22:37murder.
- 22:40Here, it may be unintentional, well,
- 22:43unintentional, but
- 22:50to which the lawyer says, their side is
- 22:52cheap, he says, it all happened during
- 22:53the course of the fact that your wife
- 22:55was worried about you being locked up in
- 22:57a pretrial detention center.
- 23:06I'm saying, are you a normal person when
- 23:08you're being attacked, when you're, well
- 23:10, a pregnant woman, and you say that
- 23:12here it's just emotional stress and
- 23:13that's why this happened.
- 23:20And well, that's not normal.
- 23:23And neither the prosecutors nor the
- 23:25judges are paying attention to this.
- 23:29I've been going through this for three
- 23:31years now.
- 23:36And over the course of three years, they
- 23:38admit him, acquit him, and my wife is
- 23:40sentenced to deportation.
- 23:47Uh, the district passes this sentence,
- 23:49the chairman of the district court, and
- 23:51the city supports it.
- 23:54Is that fair?
- 23:55>> So, was this Buzurmankul Urumat
- 23:57acquitted or something?
- 23:58>> They acquitted him.
- 23:59>> And he swears there, it seems, you say
- 24:01he attacked you.
- 24:03>> He beats me, he beat me, yes, yes.
- 24:06>> But how can this be justified? That's a
- 24:09>> question for the judicial system.
- 24:12>> Tell me on camera, what did you call me
- 24:14? You called me, right?
- 24:19Me, He grew
- 24:24a beard.
- 24:26What did you call me, again on camera.
- 24:33And what did you tell me?
- 24:37Tell me on camera.
- 24:39Tell me on camera what you told me.
- 24:45I'll talk to you the way I want.
- 24:51Why are you closing the door?
- 24:54And who are you?
- 24:57What did you call me?
- 24:58Tell me.
- 25:01Are you threatening me or something?
- 25:03No, what did you call me? No, what did
- 25:05you call me? Say it again.
- 25:08>> What did I call you?
- 25:09>> You called me. I'm going to file a
- 25:11complaint against you now.
- 25:14My husband is a witness, he heard.
- 25:19And my wife, who climbed on top of me,
- 25:21and the video clearly shows her, being
- 25:23seven months pregnant, approaching me
- 25:25first in the passenger side, then in the
- 25:27driver's side.
- 25:30She...She was convicted of negligence.
- 25:35The video clearly shows her climbing on
- 25:37me, beating me.
- 25:39For the judicial panel, this is
- 25:41considered negligence.
- 25:44>> And she was seven months pregnant and
- 25:46ran to you to fight?
- 25:47>> Yes, there is a video.
- 25:50We showed all this to the district court
- 25:52, they looked at it, but it didn't help
- 25:54them at all.
- 25:56And the city court didn't even bother
- 25:57looking at it.
- 25:58>> What were you convicted of? I can't
- 26:00figure it out. What for? Was it
- 26:02hooliganism or what?
- 26:03>> Yes. It's the exact same charge as mine
- 26:05. It's the same exact charge.
- 26:07>> I still can't figure it out. In the
- 26:09district court, I asked, "What are you
- 26:11convicting me of?"
- 26:13The prosecutor couldn't answer.
- 26:16I'm still wondering, "What was I
- 26:17convicted of?" and "Why am I being
- 26:19deported?" Actually, I'm essentially a
- 26:21victim.
- 26:25I must have asked the prosecutor about
- 26:27four times, "Explain to me why you're
- 26:28convicting me, what are you accusing me
- 26:30of?"
- 26:32My lawyers also asked, but the
- 26:34prosecutor couldn't answer.
- 26:37They have nothing to charge me with.
- 26:41They simply fabricated the hooliganism
- 26:43charge.
- 26:45>> Well, I'm reading here now that
- 26:46supposedly when she got into your room,
- 26:49you hit her.
- 26:49>> Supposedly, yes, that's what they're
- 26:51writing.
- 26:52>> Well,
- 26:55>> yes, but teeth, if teeth break, yes, if
- 26:57they supposedly broke, there must be
- 26:59physical injuries.
- 27:03She has no physical injuries, no blood
- 27:05flow, no bleeding, nothing.
- 27:08It's just that the edges of the tooth
- 27:09are jagged, right? Who knows what caused
- 27:11it to break. Maybe she bit into an apple
- 27:14.
- 27:15>> You later said that before the trial,
- 27:17and there's a video too, she behaved
- 27:19very inappropriately.
- 27:22She continued to insult us.
- 27:25>> That day, she behaved very appropriately
- 27:28.
- 27:29She was running around, picking up
- 27:30stones, throwing them in our direction.
- 27:34A young woman, an eyewitness, was still
- 27:36an adult woman, and they approached her
- 27:38as if she were a woman, calming her down
- 27:40, calming her down.
- 27:42I was standing behind my husband.
- 27:45And she was running around.
- 27:46>> No, no, not even when the trial had
- 27:48already begun.
- 27:49>> She was always yelling and screaming
- 27:51during the trials, behaving
- 27:52inappropriately.
- 27:54And Kasymbekov Khubanchbek, the chairman
- 27:57of the Oktyabrsky District Court, never
- 27:59once reprimanded her.
- 28:01>> And she was right there during the trial
- 28:03, with her. Yeah.
- 28:05>> During, during the trial, she was
- 28:07arguing with me, insulting my husband
- 28:09when he came, and arguing with my
- 28:11lawyers. I mean, we already have a ton
- 28:13of videos like this. Is
- 28:15>> she sick or something?
- 28:17The lawyer was sick, right?
- 28:19>> Why am I a sick woman?
- 28:22She's African herself.
- 28:24She
- 28:26started
- 28:32>> defending this and that.
- 28:46>> Why isn't she letting me out? Why aren't
- 28:48you watching?
- 28:55No, why isn't she letting me out? Why
- 28:57isn't she letting me out?
- 29:16And why aren't you watching?
- 29:24The witnesses heard everything.
- 29:35I mean, she's not even embarrassed that
- 29:36she's being filmed. She's still behaving
- 29:39inappropriately. Totally inappropriately
- 29:41.
- 29:42>> Eliza, well, what was the root cause of
- 29:44the conflict?
- 29:46You said that the BMW X7 driver cut you
- 29:48off.
- 29:51Did the whole Furborough really catch
- 29:52fire just because he cut you off and you
- 29:54didn't give him the right-of-way? No,
- 29:56>> not really.
- 29:59This Anara Tilayeva already attacked me
- 30:02in 2019. Later
- 30:04>> in 2019, and that was in 2024, right?
- 30:07>> No, that was in 2023. The second time
- 30:09she attacked me was in 2023 in Bishkek.
- 30:13And in 2019, she attacked me in Russia.
- 30:17>> So, you know her?
- 30:20>> I don't know her, but as she herself
- 30:22said in court, it turns out she's known
- 30:24me since 2012.
- 30:27>> Right. Can
- 30:28>> you imagine, since 2012. And the judge
- 30:31asks, how do you know her?
- 30:34She says she worked in her sister's
- 30:36warehouse, and whenever, she says, I
- 30:38passed by that warehouse, I saw her all
- 30:40the time.
- 30:40>> What warehouse? Can you tell me what,
- 30:42how do you even know each other?
- 30:46>> It turns out my sister is in wholesale
- 30:48sales in Russia, and we received large
- 30:50quantities of goods at the warehouse.
- 30:54>> And what did we sell?
- 30:55>> Women's clothing.
- 30:56>> Right.
- 30:58>> And, of course, there were five more
- 31:00salespeople besides me, a close-knit
- 31:02team of us, collecting orders every day
- 31:04.
- 31:05People would leave, walk through this
- 31:07warehouse to the parking lot, to the
- 31:09parking lot, and we would continue
- 31:10working.
- 31:11>> And did you sell directly from the
- 31:12warehouse, wholesale?
- 31:13>> Yes.
- 31:15We simply prepared orders and shipped
- 31:16them.
- 31:18And, apparently, Anara Tilaeva, seeing
- 31:21us every day...Did
- 31:22>> she also work in sales, or did
- 31:25>> she then decide to completely copy the
- 31:27same product as we had.
- 31:29So, did Anara decide to switch? Did
- 31:32>> Tilaeva work there too, or did she see
- 31:34you every day? Or what was she doing
- 31:36there? So,
- 31:37>> it turns out we all worked in the same
- 31:39shopping center, in a wholesale shopping
- 31:41center.
- 31:42>> In Russia?
- 31:43>> Yes, in Russia.
- 31:45>> In what city?
- 31:46>> In the city of Novosibirsk.
- 31:48>> Right. Anara Tilaeva worked there too?
- 31:50>> Yes, she worked there too.
- 31:51>> Sold?
- 31:52>> Yes, she also sold something, then,
- 31:54seeing how we worked in the warehouse,
- 31:56she decided to bring in exactly the same
- 31:59product as we had.
- 32:00>> Women's clothing.
- 32:01>> Women's clothing.
- 32:04And in 2019, when she attacked me, her
- 32:07complaint was that she said to me, why
- 32:09are you creating a monopoly on me?
- 32:13Why aren't you letting me buy this
- 32:15product?
- 32:16So she's a
- 32:17>> monopoly? What kind of product? Didn't
- 32:19you sell the product or what?
- 32:22>> So she wanted exactly the same as ours,
- 32:24and I asked my friends not to sell them
- 32:26certain items.
- 32:29And she went around looking for those
- 32:31very items, and when she didn't get them
- 32:33, she got angry.
- 32:35She's big, she's twice my size.
- 32:39She probably decided that physical force
- 32:41would be enough to beat me up, to scare
- 32:43me.
- 32:45>> So, did she want to copy...Oh, buy your
- 32:48product and resell it or what?
- 32:50>> No, she wanted to buy exactly the same
- 32:52product.
- 32:53>> Like yours?
- 32:54>> Yes, like mine. In Bishkek. In Bishkek
- 32:56from suppliers, from my suppliers.
- 32:58>> So, did you buy goods from Bishkek?
- 33:01>> Yes.
- 33:01>> We transported them to Novosibirsk and
- 33:03sold them there.
- 33:04>> Yes.
- 33:05>> Self-made. Yes.
- 33:07Yeah.
- 33:08And she wanted to sell the same product
- 33:10you buy in Bishkek to Novosibirsk too.
- 33:14And you told the suppliers here in
- 33:16Bishkek not to sell to her.
- 33:19>> Yes, because she was selling below cost
- 33:21.
- 33:22>> Ah, that's where the hostility comes
- 33:24from.
- 33:25>> Envy, I guess. And
- 33:27>> she had a complaint, like, why are you
- 33:29calling Bishkek and telling them not to
- 33:31sell me the same product, right?
- 33:33>> Yeah.
- 33:33>> Yeah, right. And she attacked you in
- 33:362019 for this reason.
- 33:37>> Yes.
- 33:42And those same words, and then her
- 33:44salesperson, whom she also beat up, and
- 33:46the salesperson, Anary Tilaeva, comes up
- 33:48to me and says, you know, she makes us
- 33:50go to your aisle every day and spy on
- 33:52you, Yeah,
- 33:55>> right.
- 33:56>> And film your product range.
- 33:58>> Industrial espionage, right?
- 34:00>> Yeah.
- 34:01And she says, she sits there all the
- 34:03time and talks and talks and talks about
- 34:05you. That is, she has some kind of
- 34:07hostility, she says, towards you. I
- 34:09>> see, it's competition. But in '19, when
- 34:12she beat you up, did you go to the
- 34:14police?
- 34:15>> Yes, I did.
- 34:17I did, I wrote a report.
- 34:19Unfortunately, I didn't know her name
- 34:21back then.
- 34:23I simply wrote down the car's license
- 34:25plate number, that some crazy woman
- 34:27attacked me out of nowhere in a parking
- 34:29lot and beat me up.
- 34:33So, I wrote a report.
- 34:35And it so happened that a couple of
- 34:36weeks later I moved to Bishkek.
- 34:39>> Yeah.
- 34:40>> Well, they accepted my report.
- 34:42>> And they didn't find her, right?
- 34:44>> Uh, I don't know about that, but if I go
- 34:46to Novosibirsk now, I'll bring up this
- 34:48report.
- 34:49>> But from '19 to '23, you never saw her
- 34:53again? I
- 34:54>> never saw her. I'd even forgotten about
- 34:56her.
- 34:56And the most amazing thing about her is
- 34:59that she's known me since 2012. Can you
- 35:01imagine, she said it herself.
- 35:19>> And on that day in '23, she recognized
- 35:22you and came to you, or did you
- 35:24recognize her?
- 35:25>> She, she.
- 35:26>> Somewhere at an intersection we saw
- 35:28>> On the road, yes, on the road, when I,
- 35:30it turns out, when they cut me off, I,
- 35:32it turns out, was driving past them.
- 35:34>> So you saw her there at the traffic
- 35:36lights? I
- 35:37>> didn't see her.
- 35:38>> But she writes in her, well, testimony
- 35:40that you, you were following her.
- 35:44>> She also says in court that I, uh, ran
- 35:47to her car and that I climbed into her
- 35:49car.
- 35:50>> Ah.
- 35:50>> So, her testimony always differs. So,
- 35:53today she said one thing, tomorrow she
- 35:55said something else. So, she doesn't
- 35:57remember her words.
- 35:58>> So, you weren't following her?
- 35:59>> Of course.
- 36:00>> And she, when she recognized you...
- 36:02>> Yes, on purpose. Yes, on purpose.
- 36:06I don't know, I don't understand the
- 36:08logic, the logic of this woman. Why, it
- 36:11would seem, yes, especially when she's
- 36:13seven months pregnant, why?
- 36:16>> Aha, so you were acquaintances. So, this
- 36:18isn't just a mundane conflict on the
- 36:20road, right? Like she's waiting, like
- 36:22she was following us.
- 36:24>> Yes, she attacked me in 1919 too.
- 36:28And since then, she hasn't left me alone
- 36:30, spreading all sorts of rumors.
- 36:33And by the way, I want to point out that
- 36:36she's on Instagram, ah, she opened a
- 36:37page in my mother's name.
- 36:41She posted a photo of my mother. And do
- 36:43you know what she wrote?
- 36:44>> What? A
- 36:45>> complaint. Uh-huh
- 36:47.
- 36:47>> Can
- 36:48>> you imagine, grown women like that? Yes
- 36:51. Is it
- 36:52>> really her who opens these pages?
- 36:53>> Yes, it's her.
- 36:55And then, from these same accounts, she
- 36:57writes to my husband every day.
- 37:00That's not all.
- 37:03She also posted a photo of my family, my
- 37:05sister, and also wrote such dirty words
- 37:07on the photo.
- 37:11I screenshotted all of this, I presented
- 37:13it all in court.
- 37:18I showed all of this in court that this
- 37:20woman is an inadequate, inadequate
- 37:22person, because, well, an adult opens a
- 37:24page about me, a page about Alena, a
- 37:26page about my mother, a page about my
- 37:28sister.
- 37:31So, she has so many pages and writes all
- 37:33sorts of dirt about each of us.
- 37:36>> Yeah.
- 37:37>> I didn't respond to her.
- 37:39I just didn't.
- 37:41It's just her level of intelligence.
- 37:44>> Oh, well, you can sue her civilly.
- 37:48As for those videos you showed us, where
- 37:50she also uses obscene language and
- 37:52insults, you can also sue her civilly.
- 37:56>> I want to appeal, but I just haven't had
- 37:58the time before.
- 38:00And the only issue we contacted the
- 38:02State Committee for Medical and Dental
- 38:04Problems was interethnic strife.
- 38:06>> So.
- 38:06>> She constantly—the incident happened
- 38:09between 1923 and 1926, three years.
- 38:13She still writes all sorts of offensive
- 38:15words to my husband.
- 38:16But my husband, okay, he doesn't pay
- 38:18attention.
- 38:20It's just that the authorities should
- 38:22pay attention to this too.
- 38:26And interethnic strife is kept under
- 38:28special control in every country.
- 38:30>> And what does interethnic strife consist
- 38:32of?
- 38:33>> She constantly insults my husband, calls
- 38:35him all sorts of dirty names: African,
- 38:37Negro, go back to your Africa.
- 38:41She actually says it openly: go, go,
- 38:43pack your bags, and I mean,
- 38:47>> listen, how do you mean "African"? Aleno
- 38:50Foyo is our citizen, born and raised in
- 38:52Kyrgyzstan.
- 38:54He even has a nickname, "Black Kyrgyz."
- 38:57He's our citizen.
- 39:00What Africa? What do you mean?
- 39:03>> Pack your bags and go back to your
- 39:05Africa.
- 39:07She decides who stays and who leaves.
- 39:10I collected all these publications, I
- 39:12had a stack like this.
- 39:15I collected them and filed a complaint
- 39:16with the State Committee for National
- 39:18Security, but for some reason our
- 39:20officers didn't pay attention.
- 39:22Although interethnic strife is a serious
- 39:24matter.
- 39:28>> As I said, it's like a journey through
- 39:30agony.
- 39:34We go and go and go, but to no avail.
- 39:37>> And she's writing to you directly on
- 39:39WhatsApp, right? From her number?
- 39:42>> She wrote to me on Instagram, she wrote
- 39:44.
- 39:45>> Is it really her writing? Is this proven
- 39:47?
- 39:48>> I asked her a question there. It's
- 39:50Urmat's wife, she says, yes, it's me.
- 39:56>> Ah, well, friends, actually, uh, you
- 39:58listened to the position.
- 40:02Well, after all, the Supreme Court, I
- 40:04also want to hope, people endowed with
- 40:06the highest authority, the highest
- 40:08justice.
- 40:10I hope that they will make their
- 40:11decision in accordance with the law.
- 40:14Uh, we hope that the president of the
- 40:16country, who himself reacts very
- 40:18correctly and accurately to all such
- 40:20cases, yes, will also take special care
- 40:23of this case.
- 40:24Because, well, after all, Aleno Foyo, I
- 40:27repeat, is our pride.
- 40:31Our childhood has passed, our first big
- 40:33victories on the international arena,
- 40:36the famous Hermes-Profi club.
- 40:39There were Dzhambulat Amantayev, and
- 40:41Malik Barbashev, and Mirbek Suyunbekov,
- 40:44Aleno Foyo—these were the people who
- 40:46raised our flag, uh, at all
- 40:48international tournaments. Now even they
- 40:50, even such a famous family, are being
- 40:53subjected to such judicial chaos.
- 40:55I don't know what's going on with
- 40:57ordinary people there, I don't know, but
- 41:00we hope that law and justice will
- 41:02prevail. I
- 41:06>> simply suggested, there was a moment,
- 41:08they suggested that their side and our
- 41:10side meet face-to-face on live
- 41:12television, right?
- 41:16There was such a possibility.
- 41:18>> Yeah.
- 41:20>> And here are your arguments, our
- 41:22arguments.
- 41:24Well, just think about it, people, let's
- 41:27say, the studio, the lawyers sat down,
- 41:29we sat down and discussed the facts.
- 41:32But they didn't want to.
- 41:34>> Hmm.
- 41:34>> By the way, yes, we did suggest it.
- 41:37>> They didn't want it.
- 41:41Well, if you're supposedly clean, well,
- 41:43sit down and speak calmly, express
- 41:45yourself, and then listen to what they
- 41:47say.
- 41:50It doesn't matter who starts first.
- 41:53That's all. It's all easily resolved.
- 41:57Yes, after the incident, after that, I
- 42:00approached him and said,
- 42:06let's settle this issue here now.
- 42:10That's when he told me, "You're going to
- 42:12talk, get down on your knees, beg me."
- 42:15I said, "No, you don't know me," I said
- 42:17, "I won't do that because I'm right."
- 42:22Then, when we went to the forensic
- 42:24examination the next day, I approached
- 42:26him again.
- 42:28I calmly approached him, thinking, "
- 42:30Well, the man has cooled down."
- 42:32Sometimes he gets worked up, after a day
- 42:34, a day has passed.
- 42:36He starts talking to me again.
- 42:38"You're going to beg me."
- 42:40I said, "Are you a god or something, to
- 42:42beg you?"
- 42:44That is,
- 42:48I don't know, he's so out of touch with
- 42:50reality.
- 42:57You know, I've come to the conclusion
- 42:59over this time that even if the trial is
- 43:01biased—it was biased on my side, and if
- 43:04it's not objective on her side—there
- 43:06will still be a trial, we just have to
- 43:08wait 30-40 years.
- 43:16And up there, they'll judge us all,
- 43:18who's right and who's guilty, and no one
- 43:20will run away.
- 43:23That's what I think.
- 43:26Yes, there is time, yes, but that's the
- 43:28only way.
- 43:31It's just that, you know, there's
- 43:37still someone above us who will judge us
- 43:39for our actions.
- 43:42And we will each be held accountable for
- 43:44everything we do.
- 43:48If these people aren't afraid of this,
- 43:50well, then it's all on their conscience
- 43:51.
- 43:53That's how it is.
- 43:55I'm not even trying to calm myself down
- 43:57with this, I've simply come to this
- 43:59conclusion.
- 44:01That's how it is.
- 44:02>> Taking this opportunity, friends, yes,
- 44:04here's the studio, here are the people.
- 44:06If the other side wants to speak out, we
- 44:08don't mind, let them come and speak out
- 44:10, and if they want to have some
- 44:11discussions live, that's fine too.
- 44:14Okay, see you later, friends.
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