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Трагедия семьи известного бойца Алена Офойо: как дорожный конфликт обернулся потерей ребёнка и судом — Transcript

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  1. 0:00They attacked me. What do you
  2. 0:01>> mean, attacked? [ __ ].
  3. 0:03>> Give me the video, please.
  4. 0:05>> She started insulting me with all sorts
  5. 0:07of words.
  6. 0:09She beat me, climbed on me.
  7. 0:12>> You went from victims to defendants.
  8. 0:15>> She started calling her friends. As it
  9. 0:16turned out later, one of them was an
  10. 0:18employee of the State Committee for
  11. 0:19National Security.
  12. 0:20>> Ah, so you knew each other.
  13. 0:27>> When I approached him, he immediately
  14. 0:28turned around and hit me.
  15. 0:38I was deprived of my freedom and taken
  16. 0:40into custody.
  17. 0:43She was seven months pregnant and ran to
  18. 0:45you to fight.
  19. 0:46You say she attacked you. She
  20. 0:48>> beats me, beats me, yes, yes.
  21. 0:53>> And how do they justify this? On
  22. 0:58>> October 22, 2023, in Bishkek, Liza
  23. 1:01Amurbekova, the wife of the famous
  24. 1:03kickboxer Alain Afyo, was involved in a
  25. 1:06traffic conflict with a man and a woman
  26. 1:09in a BMW X7.
  27. 1:12According to Liza and her lawyers, the
  28. 1:14SUV cut off her car, after which the
  29. 1:16woman in the BMW attacked her, and then
  30. 1:18the man joined in the beating.
  31. 1:21Liza was pregnant and, according to her
  32. 1:23, warned her attackers about it. She
  33. 1:26called her husband. When Alain arrived,
  34. 1:28a fight broke out between him and the
  35. 1:30BMW driver. The driver claimed that the
  36. 1:32athlete had damaged his teeth. Afoyo
  37. 1:34himself claimed that the man struck
  38. 1:36first and that he had to defend himself
  39. 1:38.
  40. 1:39According to the family's lawyer, Liza
  41. 1:41was four months pregnant and lost the
  42. 1:43baby after the incident.
  43. 1:46The defense linked this to the beating
  44. 1:48and cited a medical examination finding
  45. 1:50grievous bodily harm.
  46. 1:52In July 2024, police confirmed that the
  47. 1:54case based on her complaint had been
  48. 1:57reclassified from hooliganism to
  49. 1:59grievous bodily harm following the
  50. 2:01examination.
  51. 2:02However, another participant in the
  52. 2:04conflict, Anara Tillaeva, filed
  53. 2:06counter-charges. She claimed that she
  54. 2:08herself was pregnant, and that Eliza had
  55. 2:11hit her in the mouth with a phone,
  56. 2:12damaging her teeth. Thus, both women
  57. 2:14claimed to have suffered as a result of
  58. 2:16each other's actions. Alain, according
  59. 2:18to his defense, spent nearly two months
  60. 2:20in pretrial detention. His lawyers
  61. 2:22claimed self-defense, but on July 30,
  62. 2:252024, the Oktyabrsky District Court of
  63. 2:28Bishkek found the athlete guilty of
  64. 2:30hooliganism and fined him 30,000 soms.
  65. 2:34Eliza herself was also charged.
  66. 2:36According to reports on the subsequent
  67. 2:38developments in the case, the court
  68. 2:39fined her and ordered her deportation
  69. 2:41from Kyrgyzstan.
  70. 2:43The Bishkek City Court also upheld this
  71. 2:45sentence.
  72. 2:46Eliza considers the decision unfair.
  73. 2:49According to her, after the attack and
  74. 2:51the loss of her child, she herself found
  75. 2:53herself convicted, as did her husband,
  76. 2:55who came to help her.
  77. 2:57She came to our studio to tell her story
  78. 2:59and seek justice.
  79. 3:04>> Welcome, friends, to the channel of
  80. 3:06journalist Semetey Amanbekov.
  81. 3:09President Sadyr Japarov is holding a
  82. 3:11meeting with the local population.
  83. 3:15And now everyone is watching to see what
  84. 3:17questions the public is asking.
  85. 3:19And every other complaint is about
  86. 3:21judges. Injustice, unfair court
  87. 3:23decisions. Here they convicted someone,
  88. 3:25here they released someone, here they
  89. 3:27did something wrong. In short, the
  90. 3:28discontent of city residents, the
  91. 3:30discontent of people across the country
  92. 3:32, is evident.
  93. 3:34And so, today, people have come to our
  94. 3:36studio who, in their opinion, have also
  95. 3:38become victims of judicial arbitrariness
  96. 3:41and want to tell their story.
  97. 3:45In our studio today is multiple Kyrgyz
  98. 3:47champion and kickboxer Aleno Foyo and
  99. 3:50his wife, Eliza.
  100. 3:52Greetings, friends.
  101. 3:55Of course, I didn't want to meet with
  102. 3:57you in this format, or for this reason,
  103. 3:59but, as I already said, unfortunately,
  104. 4:01the whole country is now facing such
  105. 4:03court decisions.
  106. 4:06And, ah, we'd like to hear your point of
  107. 4:08view.
  108. 4:11I briefly familiarized myself with your
  109. 4:13situation, watched a video where, ah,
  110. 4:15some married couple, or you were driving
  111. 4:17, yes, you were attacked.
  112. 4:20Well, you, you, I saw, you didn't even
  113. 4:22get out of the car, right, apparently,
  114. 4:24at least according to the video, right?
  115. 4:48Oh, you were attacked, and now, before
  116. 4:50this interview, you're saying that, on
  117. 4:52the contrary, you went from being a
  118. 4:53victim to being an accused, a defendant
  119. 4:56, right?
  120. 4:56>> Yeah.
  121. 4:58>> So I'd like to ask, what was the
  122. 5:00situation, why did they come to you, why
  123. 5:02did they attack you, what was the reason
  124. 5:04?
  125. 5:05First, recreate what happened that day?
  126. 5:11>> Oh, it turns out I was attacked, beaten
  127. 5:13, and from being a victim I went from
  128. 5:15being an accused, a defendant, and they
  129. 5:17want to deport me.
  130. 5:20>> Yeah. Well, no, let's recreate that day
  131. 5:22. You were driving in a white Lexus,
  132. 5:25right, an RX?
  133. 5:26>> Yes. I was, it turns out, driving
  134. 5:28towards my house.
  135. 5:30And then, ah, the driver, ah, a BMW X7.
  136. 5:34>> Yeah.
  137. 5:35>> ah, he cut everyone off, ah, the drivers
  138. 5:38.
  139. 5:40And because I didn't let him pass, he
  140. 5:42decided to get revenge, cut me off,
  141. 5:44stopped me, ah, right in the roadway.
  142. 5:50ah, a woman seven months pregnant ran
  143. 5:52out of there, ah, first she went to the
  144. 5:54passenger side, then went around the car
  145. 5:56, opened the driver's side where I was
  146. 5:58sitting.
  147. 6:01ah, unfortunately, I was in my mother's
  148. 6:03car, where the doors don't automatically
  149. 6:06lock that particular day.
  150. 6:09For some reason, I was sure that I
  151. 6:10wasn't in my own car and was about to
  152. 6:12change lanes and drive away, but I
  153. 6:14didn't have time.
  154. 6:15>> And you thought the doors were locked,
  155. 6:17right?
  156. 6:19>> And I was waiting to change into the
  157. 6:21left lane.
  158. 6:24And then the woman, it turns out, came
  159. 6:26up to me, started insulting me, and with
  160. 6:29all sorts of words, beat me, climbed on
  161. 6:31me.
  162. 6:35Then her husband came up and said don't
  163. 6:37touch her, even though his wife is
  164. 6:38beating me.
  165. 6:41He says don't touch her, she's pregnant
  166. 6:43.
  167. 6:44>> And he tells you not to touch his wife?
  168. 6:46>> Yes, but I didn't touch her anyway.
  169. 6:50And then he starts standing up for his
  170. 6:52wife and her husband starts beating me
  171. 6:54too.
  172. 6:55They both start beating me
  173. 6:59and I couldn't do anything.
  174. 7:03But at one point I remember that
  175. 7:04bystanders came up and started asking
  176. 7:06them, what are you doing?
  177. 7:09Why are you beating a girl?
  178. 7:11>> Yeah.
  179. 7:11>> And they started filming them.
  180. 7:16And then they stop and this husband
  181. 7:17starts calling his friends.
  182. 7:21And as it turned out later, one of them
  183. 7:23was an employee of the State Committee
  184. 7:24for National Security.
  185. 7:25>> State Committee for National Security?
  186. 7:27>> State Committee for National Security,
  187. 7:29yes. I called my husband right away.
  188. 7:32And my husband arrived about 15-20
  189. 7:34minutes later.
  190. 7:38And when my husband arrived, he asked me
  191. 7:40which of them, because besides her
  192. 7:42husband, other bystanders came up.
  193. 7:46So my husband didn't know which of them
  194. 7:47beat me.
  195. 7:48>> Yeah. Didn't
  196. 7:50>> you have time
  197. 7:50>> to tell your husband on the phone?
  198. 7:53>> And I told him that I was attacked, I
  199. 7:55was beaten, come. And I gave him the
  200. 7:57address and that's it.
  201. 7:58>> Yeah.
  202. 8:01>> And by the time my husband arrived, even
  203. 8:03after they stopped beating me, they
  204. 8:04didn't even leave the car.
  205. 8:07They were standing next to me.
  206. 8:09>> Yeah.
  207. 8:10>> So, I couldn't do anything.
  208. 8:12Even though bystanders were filming, and
  209. 8:14the woman in the headscarf, the pregnant
  210. 8:16woman, continued to hit me in the face.
  211. 8:20So, she wasn't embarrassed by the fact
  212. 8:21that she was being filmed.
  213. 8:24And her husband, ah, continued to insult
  214. 8:26me with obscenities.
  215. 8:28It's all captured on video. Do
  216. 8:31>> you have a video?
  217. 8:33They attacked me. What do you
  218. 8:34>> mean, attacked? [ __ ]?
  219. 8:40>> You saw, right? Who attacked?
  220. 8:54Young man, send me the video.
  221. 9:02>> Then, it turns out, my husband didn't
  222. 9:04have time to, ah, figure out which of
  223. 9:06them was beating me when he arrived.
  224. 9:10This Urmat hits him.
  225. 9:13>> Alena?
  226. 9:14>> Yes, Alena. Next, the First.
  227. 9:16>> So, I need to be here at Alena's.
  228. 9:18>> Yes, yes, yes, let them
  229. 9:20>> hear my wife's call. Naturally, like any
  230. 9:22husband, they dropped everything and ran
  231. 9:24. Let's go.
  232. 9:24>> Yes.
  233. 9:27When I arrived at the scene, I saw a man
  234. 9:29standing with his back to me next to a
  235. 9:31BMW.
  236. 9:34He had his foot on the front wheel of
  237. 9:36his car, on the driver's side.
  238. 9:40Ah, I walked up to him and crossed the
  239. 9:42road quickly.
  240. 9:44I walked up to him, and it turns out I
  241. 9:46approached this man.
  242. 9:48When he turned around, I didn't know who
  243. 9:50it was, because there were bystanders
  244. 9:52there, well, a few other people.
  245. 9:56And when I approached him, that is, ah,
  246. 9:59because my wife told me that their
  247. 10:00seventh car cut her off.
  248. 10:06But I logically thought that this was
  249. 10:07the man, because he had his foot on the
  250. 10:09wheel of the car.
  251. 10:13When I approached him, he immediately
  252. 10:15turned around and hit me.
  253. 10:17>> Yeah.
  254. 10:19>> So, without any apparent reason.
  255. 10:22We didn't even have time to exchange a
  256. 10:24word.
  257. 10:26He immediately hit me.
  258. 10:29He, it turns out, I slightly moved my
  259. 10:31head away and started to hit him back.
  260. 10:35So, I didn't do it because I wanted to
  261. 10:36hit him.
  262. 10:39I did it automatically, because I was
  263. 10:41hit.
  264. 10:42>> Yeah.
  265. 10:44>> So, it just happened spontaneously.
  266. 10:50I tried to prove to the judge that it
  267. 10:52was self-defense, but the district court
  268. 10:54judge, the city court judges, they were
  269. 10:56just dumbfounded, standing there like
  270. 10:58stones.
  271. 11:04I said, well, how can I react if a
  272. 11:06complete stranger
  273. 11:11hits me?
  274. 11:14It's a normal, natural human reaction to
  275. 11:16defend yourself.
  276. 11:20Especially since I went there because my
  277. 11:21wife was beaten.
  278. 11:25So, I think it's a normal reaction.
  279. 11:31But the judges, the prosecutor, and
  280. 11:33everyone else have a completely
  281. 11:35different opinion.
  282. 11:42In general, I've learned a very
  283. 11:44interesting word over this time: our
  284. 11:45entire law enforcement system, the
  285. 11:47oversight system, the prosecutor's
  286. 11:49office, the judicial system have this
  287. 11:51word for all of this: "your arguments."
  288. 11:58I say, these aren't my arguments, these
  289. 12:00are the facts.
  290. 12:03I'm telling you facts, not arguments,
  291. 12:05because there's video footage, there are
  292. 12:07eyewitnesses, complete strangers.
  293. 12:12What arguments can there be? These are
  294. 12:15facts.
  295. 12:16I'm using facts, not arguments.
  296. 12:21We've been going through all the courts
  297. 12:23for three years now, and we're still
  298. 12:24going through all the courts, multiple
  299. 12:26times, multiple times.
  300. 12:32People who were accused of a serious, uh
  301. 12:34, crime haven't spent a single day in
  302. 12:36pretrial detention.
  303. 12:40Not a single day.
  304. 12:45And I was charged with hooliganism,
  305. 12:47which, by law, doesn't carry a prison
  306. 12:49sentence.
  307. 12:52>> Yeah.
  308. 12:53>> I was put in pretrial detention. For
  309. 12:56what?
  310. 12:58I ask the judge, why are you depriving
  311. 13:00me of my liberty?
  312. 13:04He simply says, well, your lawyer—at the
  313. 13:06time, there was a female lawyer—you
  314. 13:08didn't provide a residence permit.
  315. 13:12>> Hmm, like you might escape.
  316. 13:14>> Yeah.
  317. 13:17To which I tell him I'm a citizen of the
  318. 13:19Kyrgyz Republic, I have housing and a
  319. 13:21residence permit.
  320. 13:25I don't need a residence permit.
  321. 13:27>> Yeah.
  322. 13:30>> To which he still says, you don't have a
  323. 13:32residence permit, you didn't provide one
  324. 13:34.
  325. 13:37I say, I was under arrest, uh, my lawyer
  326. 13:39didn't have time to provide one.
  327. 13:45So, I was stripped of my freedom and
  328. 13:47taken into custody.
  329. 13:55When they were choosing me, they took me
  330. 13:57to the deputy prosecutor of the
  331. 13:58Oktyabrsky district for approval.
  332. 14:10And he asked me this question: if you
  333. 14:12were to meet with Buzurmankulov now, the
  334. 14:14victim, and apologize to him.
  335. 14:22Do you think that could somehow
  336. 14:23influence the case?
  337. 14:25I said, well, I don’t know.
  338. 14:33And anyway, I don’t want to apologize to
  339. 14:35him, because I believe that any sane man
  340. 14:37, husband, or person in general should
  341. 14:39protect his family.
  342. 14:46>> Yes.
  343. 14:47That’s a
  344. 14:49>> normal reaction, but I didn’t go there
  345. 14:51to fight, I came to find out why it
  346. 14:53happened.
  347. 14:56And I was attacked.
  348. 14:59To which he gave me a direct answer.
  349. 15:02You, well, asked a direct question. Are
  350. 15:05you going to apologize? I said no.
  351. 15:07He said, well, then we’ll give you the
  352. 15:09full treatment.
  353. 15:11So, accordingly, I had already arrived
  354. 15:13in the courtroom; I knew they would lock
  355. 15:15me up.
  356. 15:16So, I was already prepared for this.
  357. 15:22And I kind of accepted it, even when I
  358. 15:24was talking to the judge, I explained it
  359. 15:26all to him, and he said, well, we're
  360. 15:27depriving you of your liberty for two
  361. 15:29weeks.
  362. 15:32Well, two weeks isn't the same as two
  363. 15:34months.
  364. 15:35That's how it was.
  365. 15:37>> But the question is, when he first
  366. 15:39struck you, did he hit you or not? Did
  367. 15:42>> he just glancing.
  368. 15:43>> Glancing?
  369. 15:45>> Yes, there was a blow, but it wasn't
  370. 15:47that hard, because it just glancing, I
  371. 15:49ducked my head.
  372. 15:52>> Professionally.
  373. 15:54>> Well, most likely, it's not more
  374. 15:56professional than self-preservation.
  375. 15:58>> So, you didn't suffer any injuries
  376. 16:00afterwards, right?
  377. 16:02>> Well, there was something, but it was
  378. 16:04insignificant.
  379. 16:05>> And did you only strike him once in
  380. 16:07response?
  381. 16:09>> Well, I waved him off, it's all there on
  382. 16:11the video.
  383. 16:12>> Well, I looked at the video, it's very
  384. 16:14far away and not entirely clear. That's
  385. 16:17why I'm asking.
  386. 16:18Did you strike him once or how many
  387. 16:20times?
  388. 16:21>> Well, I don't know, I'm retreating
  389. 16:23because I was fighting back, not hitting
  390. 16:25anymore, just fighting back.
  391. 16:27>> Yeah.
  392. 16:28>> Because it was unexpected for me.
  393. 16:31>> And then they write that they knocked
  394. 16:32out his teeth, right?
  395. 16:40>> But in fact, it turns out, like at the
  396. 16:42time, there was a lawyer, he still
  397. 16:43exists, but now he's been disbarred,
  398. 16:45Khasanov, and as for the fact that I
  399. 16:47allegedly knocked out his teeth.
  400. 16:55He didn't have any teeth, he had crowns
  401. 16:57.
  402. 16:57>> Mm.
  403. 16:59There
  404. 17:00>> were no teeth there.
  405. 17:03They wanted to present it as if I was
  406. 17:05once a famous athlete, and with my heavy
  407. 17:07, weighty punches I knocked out several
  408. 17:09of his teeth.
  409. 17:13I was simply surprised myself, to be
  410. 17:15honest.
  411. 17:18I've never been a puncher by nature,
  412. 17:20I've always been a technical boxer, and
  413. 17:22I don't have a heavy punch.
  414. 17:25That's how it is. Here's an
  415. 17:27>> interesting situation, yes, that when
  416. 17:29you strike, it means you're a famous
  417. 17:31athlete, but when they choose a
  418. 17:32preventive measure, it means there's no
  419. 17:34proof of residence and they have to take
  420. 17:36you into custody. But if you're a famous
  421. 17:38athlete, and you are a famous athlete,
  422. 17:40why take you into custody? The whole
  423. 17:42country knows you.
  424. 17:43>> Well, in
  425. 17:56general, when they want to persuade you
  426. 17:57to do something.
  427. 18:00>> Mm.
  428. 18:02That is, so that a person is capable of
  429. 18:04making agreements, right?
  430. 18:06>> Yes.
  431. 18:09It's more like, uh, moral humiliation,
  432. 18:12more like moral pressure.
  433. 18:17That is, uh, they're trying to break a
  434. 18:19person morally,
  435. 18:21>> yep,
  436. 18:22>> so that he'll be more compliant.
  437. 18:25One prosecutor explained this to me.
  438. 18:27>> yep.
  439. 18:28>> That is, from my experience.
  440. 18:30>> And what did they want to persuade you
  441. 18:31to do? Like, so that you'd ask for
  442. 18:33forgiveness?
  443. 18:34>> Ah, ask for forgiveness.
  444. 18:38Then, when my case was being heard in
  445. 18:39the district, that judge is now deceased
  446. 18:41, even the judge has died.
  447. 18:45This case has been going on for so long
  448. 18:47.
  449. 18:49Ah, he says, we've been coming here for
  450. 18:52so many times already.
  451. 18:54Why just come here?
  452. 18:57Perhaps you could negotiate a settlement
  453. 18:58?
  454. 19:00I'm saying, Your Honor, I'm the
  455. 19:01defendant here.
  456. 19:03>> Yeah.
  457. 19:05>> Why are you asking me a question so I
  458. 19:06can negotiate a settlement?
  459. 19:08I'm the defendant here.
  460. 19:10I'm on trial.
  461. 19:12>> Yeah.
  462. 19:14But tell me, was any case opened against
  463. 19:16the party that attacked your wife, the
  464. 19:19ones who used obscene language?
  465. 19:27>> We spent a year, a year trying to get
  466. 19:29charges brought against them.
  467. 19:33>> Yeah.
  468. 19:35>> You simply can't imagine what a struggle
  469. 19:37that was.
  470. 19:40We came, we went to the Oktyabrsky
  471. 19:42District Police Department almost every
  472. 19:44day.
  473. 19:47The investigator halfheartedly said, "
  474. 19:49Leave the case materials there in the
  475. 19:51office."
  476. 19:53That is, so they could come to him for
  477. 19:55now.
  478. 19:58He, when we finally got a criminal case
  479. 20:00opened, but it didn't move forward again
  480. 20:02.
  481. 20:05We got it transferred to the city police
  482. 20:07department.
  483. 20:08>> Yeah.
  484. 20:09>> Because it's impossible there, the
  485. 20:11Oktyabrsky District Police Department is
  486. 20:13closed.
  487. 20:15They sent me to the city.
  488. 20:20The investigator who, ah, opened the
  489. 20:22case, it turns out he lost the materials
  490. 20:24.
  491. 20:27>> How did he lose them?
  492. 20:28>> Well, that's how it is. They
  493. 20:30>> lost my things.
  494. 20:31And I had...My clothes were all torn.
  495. 20:34>> So, it's
  496. 20:35>> like material evidence. Yes.
  497. 20:38>> They stalled as much as they could.
  498. 20:41That's how they could. They spent a year
  499. 20:43just opening a case.
  500. 20:46Expertise, forensic examinations because
  501. 20:49my wife lost her child.
  502. 20:52They ordered examinations four times.
  503. 20:55Once they ordered an examination,
  504. 20:57allegedly an inappropriate examination.
  505. 21:00They ordered it a second time.
  506. 21:02The lawyer says that's already illegal.
  507. 21:04He's
  508. 21:05>> ordering it at their own request.
  509. 21:07>> This is illegal.
  510. 21:11Something or other.
  511. 21:13Four times again.
  512. 21:15What new can you learn there?
  513. 21:17The same examination, the same
  514. 21:18examination. They order it four times.
  515. 21:22Well, it's clear as day what's going on
  516. 21:24here.
  517. 21:29And then, when my city court hearing
  518. 21:31started, that same lawyer Khasanov calls
  519. 21:33my lawyer, not me directly, and says,
  520. 21:35let's have them reconcile, otherwise,
  521. 21:37you know, they'll find him guilty.
  522. 21:44He talks to me. I say, let them plead
  523. 21:47guilty. Well, what can we do?
  524. 21:49Well, what can we do? I'll be such a
  525. 21:52martyr.
  526. 21:53What can we do?
  527. 22:00>> And most importantly, it turns out we
  528. 22:02have to ask them for forgiveness and go
  529. 22:04for reconciliation.
  530. 22:11Me.
  531. 22:13And his wife confirmed these same words
  532. 22:14to the city court.
  533. 22:16She said, yes, my husband said that.
  534. 22:21>> As a result of this incident, your wife
  535. 22:23lost her child.
  536. 22:24>> Yes.
  537. 22:25>> Yes.
  538. 22:26>> It was a serious crime back then. That's
  539. 22:28what I'm
  540. 22:29>> talking about.
  541. 22:31We're screaming everywhere, from every
  542. 22:33iron.
  543. 22:35We were deprived of our child, this was
  544. 22:37murder.
  545. 22:40Here, it may be unintentional, well,
  546. 22:43unintentional, but
  547. 22:50to which the lawyer says, their side is
  548. 22:52cheap, he says, it all happened during
  549. 22:53the course of the fact that your wife
  550. 22:55was worried about you being locked up in
  551. 22:57a pretrial detention center.
  552. 23:06I'm saying, are you a normal person when
  553. 23:08you're being attacked, when you're, well
  554. 23:10, a pregnant woman, and you say that
  555. 23:12here it's just emotional stress and
  556. 23:13that's why this happened.
  557. 23:20And well, that's not normal.
  558. 23:23And neither the prosecutors nor the
  559. 23:25judges are paying attention to this.
  560. 23:29I've been going through this for three
  561. 23:31years now.
  562. 23:36And over the course of three years, they
  563. 23:38admit him, acquit him, and my wife is
  564. 23:40sentenced to deportation.
  565. 23:47Uh, the district passes this sentence,
  566. 23:49the chairman of the district court, and
  567. 23:51the city supports it.
  568. 23:54Is that fair?
  569. 23:55>> So, was this Buzurmankul Urumat
  570. 23:57acquitted or something?
  571. 23:58>> They acquitted him.
  572. 23:59>> And he swears there, it seems, you say
  573. 24:01he attacked you.
  574. 24:03>> He beats me, he beat me, yes, yes.
  575. 24:06>> But how can this be justified? That's a
  576. 24:09>> question for the judicial system.
  577. 24:12>> Tell me on camera, what did you call me
  578. 24:14? You called me, right?
  579. 24:19Me, He grew
  580. 24:24a beard.
  581. 24:26What did you call me, again on camera.
  582. 24:33And what did you tell me?
  583. 24:37Tell me on camera.
  584. 24:39Tell me on camera what you told me.
  585. 24:45I'll talk to you the way I want.
  586. 24:51Why are you closing the door?
  587. 24:54And who are you?
  588. 24:57What did you call me?
  589. 24:58Tell me.
  590. 25:01Are you threatening me or something?
  591. 25:03No, what did you call me? No, what did
  592. 25:05you call me? Say it again.
  593. 25:08>> What did I call you?
  594. 25:09>> You called me. I'm going to file a
  595. 25:11complaint against you now.
  596. 25:14My husband is a witness, he heard.
  597. 25:19And my wife, who climbed on top of me,
  598. 25:21and the video clearly shows her, being
  599. 25:23seven months pregnant, approaching me
  600. 25:25first in the passenger side, then in the
  601. 25:27driver's side.
  602. 25:30She...She was convicted of negligence.
  603. 25:35The video clearly shows her climbing on
  604. 25:37me, beating me.
  605. 25:39For the judicial panel, this is
  606. 25:41considered negligence.
  607. 25:44>> And she was seven months pregnant and
  608. 25:46ran to you to fight?
  609. 25:47>> Yes, there is a video.
  610. 25:50We showed all this to the district court
  611. 25:52, they looked at it, but it didn't help
  612. 25:54them at all.
  613. 25:56And the city court didn't even bother
  614. 25:57looking at it.
  615. 25:58>> What were you convicted of? I can't
  616. 26:00figure it out. What for? Was it
  617. 26:02hooliganism or what?
  618. 26:03>> Yes. It's the exact same charge as mine
  619. 26:05. It's the same exact charge.
  620. 26:07>> I still can't figure it out. In the
  621. 26:09district court, I asked, "What are you
  622. 26:11convicting me of?"
  623. 26:13The prosecutor couldn't answer.
  624. 26:16I'm still wondering, "What was I
  625. 26:17convicted of?" and "Why am I being
  626. 26:19deported?" Actually, I'm essentially a
  627. 26:21victim.
  628. 26:25I must have asked the prosecutor about
  629. 26:27four times, "Explain to me why you're
  630. 26:28convicting me, what are you accusing me
  631. 26:30of?"
  632. 26:32My lawyers also asked, but the
  633. 26:34prosecutor couldn't answer.
  634. 26:37They have nothing to charge me with.
  635. 26:41They simply fabricated the hooliganism
  636. 26:43charge.
  637. 26:45>> Well, I'm reading here now that
  638. 26:46supposedly when she got into your room,
  639. 26:49you hit her.
  640. 26:49>> Supposedly, yes, that's what they're
  641. 26:51writing.
  642. 26:52>> Well,
  643. 26:55>> yes, but teeth, if teeth break, yes, if
  644. 26:57they supposedly broke, there must be
  645. 26:59physical injuries.
  646. 27:03She has no physical injuries, no blood
  647. 27:05flow, no bleeding, nothing.
  648. 27:08It's just that the edges of the tooth
  649. 27:09are jagged, right? Who knows what caused
  650. 27:11it to break. Maybe she bit into an apple
  651. 27:14.
  652. 27:15>> You later said that before the trial,
  653. 27:17and there's a video too, she behaved
  654. 27:19very inappropriately.
  655. 27:22She continued to insult us.
  656. 27:25>> That day, she behaved very appropriately
  657. 27:28.
  658. 27:29She was running around, picking up
  659. 27:30stones, throwing them in our direction.
  660. 27:34A young woman, an eyewitness, was still
  661. 27:36an adult woman, and they approached her
  662. 27:38as if she were a woman, calming her down
  663. 27:40, calming her down.
  664. 27:42I was standing behind my husband.
  665. 27:45And she was running around.
  666. 27:46>> No, no, not even when the trial had
  667. 27:48already begun.
  668. 27:49>> She was always yelling and screaming
  669. 27:51during the trials, behaving
  670. 27:52inappropriately.
  671. 27:54And Kasymbekov Khubanchbek, the chairman
  672. 27:57of the Oktyabrsky District Court, never
  673. 27:59once reprimanded her.
  674. 28:01>> And she was right there during the trial
  675. 28:03, with her. Yeah.
  676. 28:05>> During, during the trial, she was
  677. 28:07arguing with me, insulting my husband
  678. 28:09when he came, and arguing with my
  679. 28:11lawyers. I mean, we already have a ton
  680. 28:13of videos like this. Is
  681. 28:15>> she sick or something?
  682. 28:17The lawyer was sick, right?
  683. 28:19>> Why am I a sick woman?
  684. 28:22She's African herself.
  685. 28:24She
  686. 28:26started
  687. 28:32>> defending this and that.
  688. 28:46>> Why isn't she letting me out? Why aren't
  689. 28:48you watching?
  690. 28:55No, why isn't she letting me out? Why
  691. 28:57isn't she letting me out?
  692. 29:16And why aren't you watching?
  693. 29:24The witnesses heard everything.
  694. 29:35I mean, she's not even embarrassed that
  695. 29:36she's being filmed. She's still behaving
  696. 29:39inappropriately. Totally inappropriately
  697. 29:41.
  698. 29:42>> Eliza, well, what was the root cause of
  699. 29:44the conflict?
  700. 29:46You said that the BMW X7 driver cut you
  701. 29:48off.
  702. 29:51Did the whole Furborough really catch
  703. 29:52fire just because he cut you off and you
  704. 29:54didn't give him the right-of-way? No,
  705. 29:56>> not really.
  706. 29:59This Anara Tilayeva already attacked me
  707. 30:02in 2019. Later
  708. 30:04>> in 2019, and that was in 2024, right?
  709. 30:07>> No, that was in 2023. The second time
  710. 30:09she attacked me was in 2023 in Bishkek.
  711. 30:13And in 2019, she attacked me in Russia.
  712. 30:17>> So, you know her?
  713. 30:20>> I don't know her, but as she herself
  714. 30:22said in court, it turns out she's known
  715. 30:24me since 2012.
  716. 30:27>> Right. Can
  717. 30:28>> you imagine, since 2012. And the judge
  718. 30:31asks, how do you know her?
  719. 30:34She says she worked in her sister's
  720. 30:36warehouse, and whenever, she says, I
  721. 30:38passed by that warehouse, I saw her all
  722. 30:40the time.
  723. 30:40>> What warehouse? Can you tell me what,
  724. 30:42how do you even know each other?
  725. 30:46>> It turns out my sister is in wholesale
  726. 30:48sales in Russia, and we received large
  727. 30:50quantities of goods at the warehouse.
  728. 30:54>> And what did we sell?
  729. 30:55>> Women's clothing.
  730. 30:56>> Right.
  731. 30:58>> And, of course, there were five more
  732. 31:00salespeople besides me, a close-knit
  733. 31:02team of us, collecting orders every day
  734. 31:04.
  735. 31:05People would leave, walk through this
  736. 31:07warehouse to the parking lot, to the
  737. 31:09parking lot, and we would continue
  738. 31:10working.
  739. 31:11>> And did you sell directly from the
  740. 31:12warehouse, wholesale?
  741. 31:13>> Yes.
  742. 31:15We simply prepared orders and shipped
  743. 31:16them.
  744. 31:18And, apparently, Anara Tilaeva, seeing
  745. 31:21us every day...Did
  746. 31:22>> she also work in sales, or did
  747. 31:25>> she then decide to completely copy the
  748. 31:27same product as we had.
  749. 31:29So, did Anara decide to switch? Did
  750. 31:32>> Tilaeva work there too, or did she see
  751. 31:34you every day? Or what was she doing
  752. 31:36there? So,
  753. 31:37>> it turns out we all worked in the same
  754. 31:39shopping center, in a wholesale shopping
  755. 31:41center.
  756. 31:42>> In Russia?
  757. 31:43>> Yes, in Russia.
  758. 31:45>> In what city?
  759. 31:46>> In the city of Novosibirsk.
  760. 31:48>> Right. Anara Tilaeva worked there too?
  761. 31:50>> Yes, she worked there too.
  762. 31:51>> Sold?
  763. 31:52>> Yes, she also sold something, then,
  764. 31:54seeing how we worked in the warehouse,
  765. 31:56she decided to bring in exactly the same
  766. 31:59product as we had.
  767. 32:00>> Women's clothing.
  768. 32:01>> Women's clothing.
  769. 32:04And in 2019, when she attacked me, her
  770. 32:07complaint was that she said to me, why
  771. 32:09are you creating a monopoly on me?
  772. 32:13Why aren't you letting me buy this
  773. 32:15product?
  774. 32:16So she's a
  775. 32:17>> monopoly? What kind of product? Didn't
  776. 32:19you sell the product or what?
  777. 32:22>> So she wanted exactly the same as ours,
  778. 32:24and I asked my friends not to sell them
  779. 32:26certain items.
  780. 32:29And she went around looking for those
  781. 32:31very items, and when she didn't get them
  782. 32:33, she got angry.
  783. 32:35She's big, she's twice my size.
  784. 32:39She probably decided that physical force
  785. 32:41would be enough to beat me up, to scare
  786. 32:43me.
  787. 32:45>> So, did she want to copy...Oh, buy your
  788. 32:48product and resell it or what?
  789. 32:50>> No, she wanted to buy exactly the same
  790. 32:52product.
  791. 32:53>> Like yours?
  792. 32:54>> Yes, like mine. In Bishkek. In Bishkek
  793. 32:56from suppliers, from my suppliers.
  794. 32:58>> So, did you buy goods from Bishkek?
  795. 33:01>> Yes.
  796. 33:01>> We transported them to Novosibirsk and
  797. 33:03sold them there.
  798. 33:04>> Yes.
  799. 33:05>> Self-made. Yes.
  800. 33:07Yeah.
  801. 33:08And she wanted to sell the same product
  802. 33:10you buy in Bishkek to Novosibirsk too.
  803. 33:14And you told the suppliers here in
  804. 33:16Bishkek not to sell to her.
  805. 33:19>> Yes, because she was selling below cost
  806. 33:21.
  807. 33:22>> Ah, that's where the hostility comes
  808. 33:24from.
  809. 33:25>> Envy, I guess. And
  810. 33:27>> she had a complaint, like, why are you
  811. 33:29calling Bishkek and telling them not to
  812. 33:31sell me the same product, right?
  813. 33:33>> Yeah.
  814. 33:33>> Yeah, right. And she attacked you in
  815. 33:362019 for this reason.
  816. 33:37>> Yes.
  817. 33:42And those same words, and then her
  818. 33:44salesperson, whom she also beat up, and
  819. 33:46the salesperson, Anary Tilaeva, comes up
  820. 33:48to me and says, you know, she makes us
  821. 33:50go to your aisle every day and spy on
  822. 33:52you, Yeah,
  823. 33:55>> right.
  824. 33:56>> And film your product range.
  825. 33:58>> Industrial espionage, right?
  826. 34:00>> Yeah.
  827. 34:01And she says, she sits there all the
  828. 34:03time and talks and talks and talks about
  829. 34:05you. That is, she has some kind of
  830. 34:07hostility, she says, towards you. I
  831. 34:09>> see, it's competition. But in '19, when
  832. 34:12she beat you up, did you go to the
  833. 34:14police?
  834. 34:15>> Yes, I did.
  835. 34:17I did, I wrote a report.
  836. 34:19Unfortunately, I didn't know her name
  837. 34:21back then.
  838. 34:23I simply wrote down the car's license
  839. 34:25plate number, that some crazy woman
  840. 34:27attacked me out of nowhere in a parking
  841. 34:29lot and beat me up.
  842. 34:33So, I wrote a report.
  843. 34:35And it so happened that a couple of
  844. 34:36weeks later I moved to Bishkek.
  845. 34:39>> Yeah.
  846. 34:40>> Well, they accepted my report.
  847. 34:42>> And they didn't find her, right?
  848. 34:44>> Uh, I don't know about that, but if I go
  849. 34:46to Novosibirsk now, I'll bring up this
  850. 34:48report.
  851. 34:49>> But from '19 to '23, you never saw her
  852. 34:53again? I
  853. 34:54>> never saw her. I'd even forgotten about
  854. 34:56her.
  855. 34:56And the most amazing thing about her is
  856. 34:59that she's known me since 2012. Can you
  857. 35:01imagine, she said it herself.
  858. 35:19>> And on that day in '23, she recognized
  859. 35:22you and came to you, or did you
  860. 35:24recognize her?
  861. 35:25>> She, she.
  862. 35:26>> Somewhere at an intersection we saw
  863. 35:28>> On the road, yes, on the road, when I,
  864. 35:30it turns out, when they cut me off, I,
  865. 35:32it turns out, was driving past them.
  866. 35:34>> So you saw her there at the traffic
  867. 35:36lights? I
  868. 35:37>> didn't see her.
  869. 35:38>> But she writes in her, well, testimony
  870. 35:40that you, you were following her.
  871. 35:44>> She also says in court that I, uh, ran
  872. 35:47to her car and that I climbed into her
  873. 35:49car.
  874. 35:50>> Ah.
  875. 35:50>> So, her testimony always differs. So,
  876. 35:53today she said one thing, tomorrow she
  877. 35:55said something else. So, she doesn't
  878. 35:57remember her words.
  879. 35:58>> So, you weren't following her?
  880. 35:59>> Of course.
  881. 36:00>> And she, when she recognized you...
  882. 36:02>> Yes, on purpose. Yes, on purpose.
  883. 36:06I don't know, I don't understand the
  884. 36:08logic, the logic of this woman. Why, it
  885. 36:11would seem, yes, especially when she's
  886. 36:13seven months pregnant, why?
  887. 36:16>> Aha, so you were acquaintances. So, this
  888. 36:18isn't just a mundane conflict on the
  889. 36:20road, right? Like she's waiting, like
  890. 36:22she was following us.
  891. 36:24>> Yes, she attacked me in 1919 too.
  892. 36:28And since then, she hasn't left me alone
  893. 36:30, spreading all sorts of rumors.
  894. 36:33And by the way, I want to point out that
  895. 36:36she's on Instagram, ah, she opened a
  896. 36:37page in my mother's name.
  897. 36:41She posted a photo of my mother. And do
  898. 36:43you know what she wrote?
  899. 36:44>> What? A
  900. 36:45>> complaint. Uh-huh
  901. 36:47.
  902. 36:47>> Can
  903. 36:48>> you imagine, grown women like that? Yes
  904. 36:51. Is it
  905. 36:52>> really her who opens these pages?
  906. 36:53>> Yes, it's her.
  907. 36:55And then, from these same accounts, she
  908. 36:57writes to my husband every day.
  909. 37:00That's not all.
  910. 37:03She also posted a photo of my family, my
  911. 37:05sister, and also wrote such dirty words
  912. 37:07on the photo.
  913. 37:11I screenshotted all of this, I presented
  914. 37:13it all in court.
  915. 37:18I showed all of this in court that this
  916. 37:20woman is an inadequate, inadequate
  917. 37:22person, because, well, an adult opens a
  918. 37:24page about me, a page about Alena, a
  919. 37:26page about my mother, a page about my
  920. 37:28sister.
  921. 37:31So, she has so many pages and writes all
  922. 37:33sorts of dirt about each of us.
  923. 37:36>> Yeah.
  924. 37:37>> I didn't respond to her.
  925. 37:39I just didn't.
  926. 37:41It's just her level of intelligence.
  927. 37:44>> Oh, well, you can sue her civilly.
  928. 37:48As for those videos you showed us, where
  929. 37:50she also uses obscene language and
  930. 37:52insults, you can also sue her civilly.
  931. 37:56>> I want to appeal, but I just haven't had
  932. 37:58the time before.
  933. 38:00And the only issue we contacted the
  934. 38:02State Committee for Medical and Dental
  935. 38:04Problems was interethnic strife.
  936. 38:06>> So.
  937. 38:06>> She constantly—the incident happened
  938. 38:09between 1923 and 1926, three years.
  939. 38:13She still writes all sorts of offensive
  940. 38:15words to my husband.
  941. 38:16But my husband, okay, he doesn't pay
  942. 38:18attention.
  943. 38:20It's just that the authorities should
  944. 38:22pay attention to this too.
  945. 38:26And interethnic strife is kept under
  946. 38:28special control in every country.
  947. 38:30>> And what does interethnic strife consist
  948. 38:32of?
  949. 38:33>> She constantly insults my husband, calls
  950. 38:35him all sorts of dirty names: African,
  951. 38:37Negro, go back to your Africa.
  952. 38:41She actually says it openly: go, go,
  953. 38:43pack your bags, and I mean,
  954. 38:47>> listen, how do you mean "African"? Aleno
  955. 38:50Foyo is our citizen, born and raised in
  956. 38:52Kyrgyzstan.
  957. 38:54He even has a nickname, "Black Kyrgyz."
  958. 38:57He's our citizen.
  959. 39:00What Africa? What do you mean?
  960. 39:03>> Pack your bags and go back to your
  961. 39:05Africa.
  962. 39:07She decides who stays and who leaves.
  963. 39:10I collected all these publications, I
  964. 39:12had a stack like this.
  965. 39:15I collected them and filed a complaint
  966. 39:16with the State Committee for National
  967. 39:18Security, but for some reason our
  968. 39:20officers didn't pay attention.
  969. 39:22Although interethnic strife is a serious
  970. 39:24matter.
  971. 39:28>> As I said, it's like a journey through
  972. 39:30agony.
  973. 39:34We go and go and go, but to no avail.
  974. 39:37>> And she's writing to you directly on
  975. 39:39WhatsApp, right? From her number?
  976. 39:42>> She wrote to me on Instagram, she wrote
  977. 39:44.
  978. 39:45>> Is it really her writing? Is this proven
  979. 39:47?
  980. 39:48>> I asked her a question there. It's
  981. 39:50Urmat's wife, she says, yes, it's me.
  982. 39:56>> Ah, well, friends, actually, uh, you
  983. 39:58listened to the position.
  984. 40:02Well, after all, the Supreme Court, I
  985. 40:04also want to hope, people endowed with
  986. 40:06the highest authority, the highest
  987. 40:08justice.
  988. 40:10I hope that they will make their
  989. 40:11decision in accordance with the law.
  990. 40:14Uh, we hope that the president of the
  991. 40:16country, who himself reacts very
  992. 40:18correctly and accurately to all such
  993. 40:20cases, yes, will also take special care
  994. 40:23of this case.
  995. 40:24Because, well, after all, Aleno Foyo, I
  996. 40:27repeat, is our pride.
  997. 40:31Our childhood has passed, our first big
  998. 40:33victories on the international arena,
  999. 40:36the famous Hermes-Profi club.
  1000. 40:39There were Dzhambulat Amantayev, and
  1001. 40:41Malik Barbashev, and Mirbek Suyunbekov,
  1002. 40:44Aleno Foyo—these were the people who
  1003. 40:46raised our flag, uh, at all
  1004. 40:48international tournaments. Now even they
  1005. 40:50, even such a famous family, are being
  1006. 40:53subjected to such judicial chaos.
  1007. 40:55I don't know what's going on with
  1008. 40:57ordinary people there, I don't know, but
  1009. 41:00we hope that law and justice will
  1010. 41:02prevail. I
  1011. 41:06>> simply suggested, there was a moment,
  1012. 41:08they suggested that their side and our
  1013. 41:10side meet face-to-face on live
  1014. 41:12television, right?
  1015. 41:16There was such a possibility.
  1016. 41:18>> Yeah.
  1017. 41:20>> And here are your arguments, our
  1018. 41:22arguments.
  1019. 41:24Well, just think about it, people, let's
  1020. 41:27say, the studio, the lawyers sat down,
  1021. 41:29we sat down and discussed the facts.
  1022. 41:32But they didn't want to.
  1023. 41:34>> Hmm.
  1024. 41:34>> By the way, yes, we did suggest it.
  1025. 41:37>> They didn't want it.
  1026. 41:41Well, if you're supposedly clean, well,
  1027. 41:43sit down and speak calmly, express
  1028. 41:45yourself, and then listen to what they
  1029. 41:47say.
  1030. 41:50It doesn't matter who starts first.
  1031. 41:53That's all. It's all easily resolved.
  1032. 41:57Yes, after the incident, after that, I
  1033. 42:00approached him and said,
  1034. 42:06let's settle this issue here now.
  1035. 42:10That's when he told me, "You're going to
  1036. 42:12talk, get down on your knees, beg me."
  1037. 42:15I said, "No, you don't know me," I said
  1038. 42:17, "I won't do that because I'm right."
  1039. 42:22Then, when we went to the forensic
  1040. 42:24examination the next day, I approached
  1041. 42:26him again.
  1042. 42:28I calmly approached him, thinking, "
  1043. 42:30Well, the man has cooled down."
  1044. 42:32Sometimes he gets worked up, after a day
  1045. 42:34, a day has passed.
  1046. 42:36He starts talking to me again.
  1047. 42:38"You're going to beg me."
  1048. 42:40I said, "Are you a god or something, to
  1049. 42:42beg you?"
  1050. 42:44That is,
  1051. 42:48I don't know, he's so out of touch with
  1052. 42:50reality.
  1053. 42:57You know, I've come to the conclusion
  1054. 42:59over this time that even if the trial is
  1055. 43:01biased—it was biased on my side, and if
  1056. 43:04it's not objective on her side—there
  1057. 43:06will still be a trial, we just have to
  1058. 43:08wait 30-40 years.
  1059. 43:16And up there, they'll judge us all,
  1060. 43:18who's right and who's guilty, and no one
  1061. 43:20will run away.
  1062. 43:23That's what I think.
  1063. 43:26Yes, there is time, yes, but that's the
  1064. 43:28only way.
  1065. 43:31It's just that, you know, there's
  1066. 43:37still someone above us who will judge us
  1067. 43:39for our actions.
  1068. 43:42And we will each be held accountable for
  1069. 43:44everything we do.
  1070. 43:48If these people aren't afraid of this,
  1071. 43:50well, then it's all on their conscience
  1072. 43:51.
  1073. 43:53That's how it is.
  1074. 43:55I'm not even trying to calm myself down
  1075. 43:57with this, I've simply come to this
  1076. 43:59conclusion.
  1077. 44:01That's how it is.
  1078. 44:02>> Taking this opportunity, friends, yes,
  1079. 44:04here's the studio, here are the people.
  1080. 44:06If the other side wants to speak out, we
  1081. 44:08don't mind, let them come and speak out
  1082. 44:10, and if they want to have some
  1083. 44:11discussions live, that's fine too.
  1084. 44:14Okay, see you later, friends.

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